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brian_177
May 18th, 2010, 10:35 PM
Hopefully this hasn't been discussed somewhere else--I did lots of reading and couldn't find it.

I'm curious what people think about what the hallucinations as indications that we should be wary of certain crew members.

Now, I know that the hallucinations aren't indicative of what these people think on a day to day basis, but nevertheless they are created by their own subconscious. They're real feelings.

Chloe, Matt, and Rush's hallucinations are all understandable--endearing even. Chloe and Matt have intimate moments with family members they have no hope of contacting any time soon (or ever in Chloe's case.) And Rush shows us how deeply being abducted affected him--which I love, because for me it puts to rest the theory that he intended to be abducted and has nefarious motives aboard the Destiny.

It's James and Greer that worry me.

First, Greer. I hate that every time I start to like Greer (especially after we got to see how against all odds he made a decent life for himself) he does something barbaric. You can argue that he really thought that Young was giving him the order to use deadly force if necessary--but in the end it was his own brain that gave that order. This scares me--but there are two saving graces, think: (a) He seems to respect Young as a CO, so IF there was another mutiny I think he would obey an order to stand down. (b) The civilians Mutiny! And under the Uniform Code of Military Justice--even though they're civilians they're part of a military operation so they're subject to the UCMJ--Mutiny is a capital offense. They got off way too easy after trying to take Destiny.

Second, James. She snaps because Matt won't reciprocate her feelings after sexy time and kills the guy. Who knows what might make her snap next. Maybe Chloe has a bad day and *****es her out and she beats Chloe up. At this point, James is the kid at school who is quiet for years and then one day comes in and kills a bunch of classmates. James needs to seek help in the next episode--even if it's just talking to TJ.

ancientaction
May 19th, 2010, 01:05 AM
I don't think James' nightmare was intended for Matt to die, I think her fear was being able to be with him again, and then him dumping her for Chloe again, and again, and again. She fears being abandoned and alone, no relationship. We saw a glimsp of that a few episodes ago when she made a comment about how she felt somebody was attractive, and that person heard her say that, she was more than just mortified.

pipi
May 19th, 2010, 01:18 AM
No one is going to turn into a psychopathic killer if that is what you're asking. Life will go on as normal except a Wray's battle scar which I'm sure she'll use to her advantage if her and Rush ever have a fight. Women can be so vindictive. Lovu and da peace!

xxxevilgrinxxx
May 19th, 2010, 05:01 AM
Of all the hallucinations, I found Volker's (well maybe not...) the most interesting, or at least not spoken of as much. I wouldn't chalk it up to simple claustrophobia, although there's a bit of that. I mean, if it was just claustrophobia, he'd just be in a close space, but this seemed something a little different. To me, it was as though the ship was closing in around him. I think it's being stuck on Destiny that's got him freaked out (with good reason I suppose), but, as per OP, that's a fear that could come into play at some point, making you wonder about what effect being afraid of the Destiny might have on him.

RedXian
May 19th, 2010, 05:27 AM
It's James and Greer that worry me.

First, Greer. I hate that every time I start to like Greer (especially after we got to see how against all odds he made a decent life for himself) he does something barbaric. You can argue that he really thought that Young was giving him the order to use deadly force if necessary--but in the end it was his own brain that gave that order. This scares me--but there are two saving graces, think: (a) He seems to respect Young as a CO, so IF there was another mutiny I think he would obey an order to stand down. (b) The civilians Mutiny! And under the Uniform Code of Military Justice--even though they're civilians they're part of a military operation so they're subject to the UCMJ--Mutiny is a capital offense. They got off way too easy after trying to take Destiny.

I have a hard time nailing down what drives Greer. But I think all he wants is approval from his father/father figure (ie Young). Young is practically a father to Greer. Greer appears to seek Young's approval every step of the way. Greer's hallucination is an extension of that need for approval and the need to protect his family.


Second, James. She snaps because Matt won't reciprocate her feelings after sexy time and kills the guy. Who knows what might make her snap next. Maybe Chloe has a bad day and *****es her out and she beats Chloe up. At this point, James is the kid at school who is quiet for years and then one day comes in and kills a bunch of classmates. James needs to seek help in the next episode--even if it's just talking to TJ.

You can't dismiss the whole scene as "won't reciprocate feelings after sexy time" because it was so much more than that. The events in her hallucination were extremely incendiary. Especially Matt's "I never said I wanted both" comment, that even made me angry.

If you look at Kino 6 - Don't Encourage Him (http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1714/index.html) it's practically common knowledge among the military personnel. She's a woman who is suffering a very public humiliation and cannot get away from it. The events in the hallucination was what it would take for her to go over the edge.

No wonder she jumped at the chance of spending 3 weeks in a paraplegic's body. Too bad she wasn't able to handle it, the time away might have one her good.

She needs to talk to someone, to let her feelings out, but I'm not sure she feel comfortable talking to TJ.

Gollumpus
May 19th, 2010, 09:58 AM
There was also that comment from the wrap-up where it was mentioned that having more than one tick increased the intensity of the hallucinations. We could draw from this that Rush, Volker, James, Greer etc had more than one, while Scott and Chloe had but one.

regards,
G.

Lt. Jeffer
May 19th, 2010, 11:06 AM
or the tick hust have different genders and the intensity of the halluciniations is an result of different type of ticks
when this is the case then i wonder wich gender would make an "friendly" hallucination

carmencatalina
May 19th, 2010, 11:12 AM
If alien ticks are like Earth ticks, I would assume that female ticks are larger - maybe more venom?

pipi
May 19th, 2010, 10:50 PM
or the tick hust have different genders and the intensity of the halluciniations is an result of different type of ticks
when this is the case then i wonder wich gender would make an "friendly" hallucination

Guess they'll never find out since they were all squished! If they could isolate happy tick from angry tick, it can have good medicinal uses.

Ser Scot A Ellison
May 21st, 2010, 04:57 AM
I do think James is in a very bad place. I rewatched the extended pilot on my SGU dvd recently. I'd missed the scene where Young, on his way to see how Chloe is doing, is confronted by James where she says, "Why don't you ask how I'm doing?" She's having a hard time on the ship. She's lonely and she feels abandoned. I think it's getting worse and worse for her. She has this hallucination months after her fling with Scott and she's still obsessing over him.

I'm afraid James is heading for snapsville.

The Swarm
August 16th, 2010, 06:48 AM
Im just curious, if James and Scott never realy had sex...was she jumping around in the bed naked by herself? O_o

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 10:22 AM
Im just curious, if James and Scott never realy had sex...was she jumping around in the bed naked by herself? O_oProbably. Must've been quite a sight to see. :D

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 10:47 AM
Probably. Must've been quite a sight to see. :D

I'm glad that I'm an honorable gentleman and thus has enough decceny and respect not to be yearning to see such a thing. ;) I mean just thinking about it... NO! That image! It's in my head now! I can't get it out!

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 10:55 AM
I'm glad that I'm an honorable gentleman and thus has enough decceny and respect not to be yearning to see such a thing. ;) I mean just thinking about it... NO! That image! It's in my head now! I can't get it out!Gotta love imagination, eh? :D

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 11:12 AM
Gotta love imagination, eh? :D

You've turned my imagination into a den of sin and debauchery! :( When I got my sig my mind has decent and honorable. Do you know what I'm seeing when I look at it now?! :p

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 11:17 AM
You've turned my imagination into a den of sin and debauchery! :( I refuse to take responsibility for this.


Do you know what I'm seeing when I look at it now?! :pNo. Tell me. :P

EvilSpaceAlien
August 16th, 2010, 11:22 AM
You've turned my imagination into a den of sin and debauchery! :(

Yeah.... Ain't it just great? :D

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 11:24 AM
Yeah.... Ain't it Egle just great? :DFix'd. :D

Oh wait. You're not one of those users who starts screaming and talking with Caps Lock on, right? :o

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 11:29 AM
I refuse to take responsibility for this.

Your right I must accept responsiblity for my sins. I shall punish myself by forcing myself to continue thinking about it. Oh the agony! ;)


No. Tell me. :P

As Hamlet would say 'Get Thee to A Nunnery!' :p


Yeah.... Ain't it just great? :D

My honorable decent nature disagrees, but this new... corruption... it vehemently agrees with you.

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 11:32 AM
As Hamlet would say 'Get Thee to A Nunnery!' :pFair enough. :D

MattSilver 3k
August 16th, 2010, 11:38 AM
Oh wait. You're not one of those users who starts screaming and talking with Caps Lock on, right?

THAT WOULD BE... ME!

THIS. IS. SPARTA!

*kicks*

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 11:42 AM
*kicks**sobs*

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 11:44 AM
THAT WOULD BE... ME!

THIS. IS. SPARTA!

*kicks*

What if the Persian you kick down the endless hole was the Prince of Persia? Wait till his dagger runs out of sand. :p

MattSilver 3k
August 16th, 2010, 11:44 AM
*sobs*

*awkwardly comforts with shushing sounds and pats on the back*

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 11:49 AM
*awkwardly comforts with shushing sounds and pats on the back*

*Awkwardly walks in on this and runs away screaming*

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 11:49 AM
*awkwardly comforts with shushing sounds and pats on the back**wipes nose on Matt's shoulder*

:)

MattSilver 3k
August 16th, 2010, 11:52 AM
*Contemplates calling a priest to cleanse the unclean shoulder.*

:P

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 11:54 AM
*Contemplates calling a priest to cleanse the unclean shoulder.*

:P

Lt. Scott is partially qualified for that.

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 11:57 AM
*Contemplates calling a priest to cleanse the unclean shoulder.**bawls*

MattSilver 3k
August 16th, 2010, 11:59 AM
*bawls*

*Starts cycle all over again*

Egle01
August 16th, 2010, 12:01 PM
*Starts cycle all over again**falls asleep*

EvilSpaceAlien
August 16th, 2010, 12:33 PM
Fix'd. :D

Oh wait. You're not one of those users who starts screaming and talking with Caps Lock on, right? :o

Lies! Evil, evil lies! That's my style, not yours. Imma sue you for copyright infringement!


My honorable decent nature disagrees, but this new... corruption... it vehemently agrees with you.

I knew this would happen. Yet another apprentice have joined the dark side. But we have tasty snacks, so it's all good. :D


THAT WOULD BE... ME!

THIS. IS. SPARTA! A SANCTUARY FOR ALL THE CREEPS AND WEIRDOS!

*kicks*

Fixed it for ya. http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/galactica/starbuck/starbuck024.gif


*Starts cycle all over again*

All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/galactica/cylon/cylon-pancarte06.gif

Thus will it come to pass. A dying leader will know the truth of the Opera House. The missing Three will give you the Five who come from the home of the Thirteenth. You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end.

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 01:11 PM
I knew this would happen. Yet another apprentice have joined the dark side. But we have tasty snacks, so it's all good. :D


Don't be so sure. There is still conflict in me, I may yet turn back to good and decency and throw you down a poorly railed reactor shaft. ;)

EvilSpaceAlien
August 16th, 2010, 01:21 PM
Don't be so sure. There is still conflict in me, I may yet turn back to good and decency and throw you down a poorly railed reactor shaft. ;)

It's unavoidable that you'll eventually join then dark side. Free food, free snacks, free booze, free frakking, free entertainment, etc. It's a paradise, alright. :D Those who are prideful and refuse to see the awesomeness of the dark side and refuse to bow down, shall be laid low and made into dust! :docianime15:

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 01:23 PM
It's unavoidable that you'll eventually join then dark side. Free food, free snacks, free booze, free frakking, free entertainment, etc. It's a paradise, alright. :D Those who are prideful and refuse to see the awesomeness of the dark side and refuse to bow down, shall be laid low and made into dust! :docianime15:

No. You've failed EvilSpaceAlien. I am a decent honorable gentleman like my father before me. :p

EvilSpaceAlien
August 16th, 2010, 01:26 PM
No. You've failed EvilSpaceAlien. I am a decent honorable gentleman like my father before me. :p

For now. But I am patient. I shall remain cloaked in the darkness, waiting for that one day when you commit that dark act, and then you shall become one of us, as foretold in the prophecy. http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/galactica/cylon/cylon-pancarte01.gif

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 01:29 PM
For now. But I am patient. I shall remain cloaked in the darkness, waiting for that one day when you commit that dark act, and then you shall become one of us, as foretold in the prophecy. http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/galactica/cylon/cylon-pancarte01.gif

Yoda: A prophecy which misread could have been. ;)

And until then I'll be standing right here, between you and the decent honorable people of Gateworld(cue Batman music) :cool:

EvilSpaceAlien
August 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM
Yoda: A prophecy which misread could have been. ;)

And until then I'll be standing right here, between you and the decent honorable people of Gateworld(cue Batman music) :cool:

Not when your hear the prophecy in person.

Yes, you try to enjoy what little decency you have left, for one day you shall fall, and the rest of the honorable people Gateworld shall fall along with you. It's gods will. *cue The Shape of Things to Come* http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/galactica/six/six024.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tII1DSHPU80

GateroomGuard
August 16th, 2010, 01:52 PM
Not when your hear the prophecy in person.

Yes, you try to enjoy what little decency you have left, for one day you shall fall, and the rest of the honorable people Gateworld shall fall along with you. It's gods will. *cue The Shape of Things to Come* http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/galactica/six/six024.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tII1DSHPU80

'Always in motion the future is' ;) I will make my own destiny and I've already aranged someone to strike me down if I ever fall to the dark side.