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Pizerer
May 16th, 2010, 02:14 PM
Do you think Chloe's hallcinations of her dead father will motivate her to get involved more?

When Chloe and her father where on the observation deck in FLT her father said somthing along the lines of: "We always thought you would explore the world...and here you are drifting through the universe, exploring galaxies."

And at the end, before her hallacination subsided, her father remided her of this. Anyone else think this will give Chloe the motivation to have a greater purpose on Destiny?

Any thoughts?

xxxevilgrinxxx
May 16th, 2010, 02:32 PM
yes, I think she's become even more involved (although I tend to think that she's already making quite the effort and she's always asking what she can do to help - ie: in Pain, walking down the hallway with Young). Chloe, of all of them so far, appears quite unjaded by the things they've seen and has a sense of wonder still. I think the experience with her father is only likely to strengthen that

Coronach
May 16th, 2010, 03:26 PM
What xxxevilgrinxxx said. :D

gotthammer
May 16th, 2010, 03:56 PM
It'd be nice if she gets a bit 'nuttier'. :D
(kinda like Crichton in FS: started off relatively peaceful/confused, being a civilian and all, then he became more 'involved', and even started packing a gun and having a pretty long list of kills, and losing some sanity along the way :D )

As long as the trauma inflicted by the recent events (death of dad, abducted by smurfs, almost left behind for good, hallucinating about dad, etc.) are shown to affect her, I guess that will be fine, too. :D

Tho' some sanity loss, IMHO, would be cooler. :D
(because showing a character recover and become stronger from that would be, IMHO, quite epic)

"Cthulhu fhtagn!"
(heh, the last episode kinda reminded me of 'Event Horizon'...would be nice if they went w/ something like that for an episode or two :D )

pipi
May 16th, 2010, 04:58 PM
I think she'll think twice about being BFF with Eli the snitch. I think Eli enjoyed pulling on her arm. It's like, yes! I finally get to touch her. lol

Pharaoh Atem
May 16th, 2010, 05:04 PM
no cause she already involved

Lord Hurin
May 16th, 2010, 05:16 PM
I *LOVED* Christopher MacDonald in this ep. He was far from the hard-assed, yet heroic Senator he was in the pilot. Makes me all the more sad that he couldn't be a regular.

As for Chloe, I think she already tries to help out but this may prompt her to find a specialty to pick up.

TitanShadow
May 16th, 2010, 05:33 PM
I think she'll think twice about being BFF with Eli the snitch. I think Eli enjoyed pulling on her arm. It's like, yes! I finally get to touch her. lol

I think that is a complete mischaracterization of Eli. I think he is evolving into a proud and self sufficient person, the fact that he has been pulled out of everything he knows not just ONCE but TWICE in such a short time... The military types, the ones who signed up for the SG program and all that, they are dealing alright but they knew what might happen. Then you have Chloe and Eli who really should never have been there.

I think that characterizing Eli as pathetic and a bit stalkerific and creepy doesn't give him enough credit.

TitanShadow
May 16th, 2010, 05:35 PM
I would really rather not see anyone change a lot. I don't want another 'Daniel Jackson' syndrome where they entirely leave where they started, I think people are people and radical changes to personality and outlook are rare.

As far as Chloe becoming more involved in ship operations, she asks if they can help and all. She could become more proactive, doing more, acting as a 'free agent' more than just finding out if she's needed.

Meshakhad
May 16th, 2010, 07:44 PM
Perhaps. But the real benefits will be psychological. Chloe had her father wrenched away from her right when she needed him to be an anchor for her. Now she got a chance to deal with those issues. She got to see her father again. Far from making her nuttier, I think she'll be more stable.

Pharaoh Atem
May 16th, 2010, 07:45 PM
if anything it was a small but great pick me up for her mood.

pipi
May 16th, 2010, 11:35 PM
I think that is a complete mischaracterization of Eli. I think he is evolving into a proud and self sufficient person.

I hope so. I want him to get a girl in the sack and make all geeks proud.

UniverseSizePlotHole
May 17th, 2010, 01:27 AM
I think that characterizing Eli as pathetic and a bit stalkerific and creepy doesn't give him enough credit.

He's better than a geek then because I am all of the above!

TitanShadow
May 17th, 2010, 04:12 PM
I hope so. I want him to get a girl in the sack and make all geeks proud.

Totally, this is true. However, I think he'll wait for the right one. Being a geek there is a point in time where sex becomes less a part of your life until it is brought to the surface. Until then things seem normal and such... Then, wham, you realize how alone you are. I think we are waiting for that from Eli.

Gollumpus
May 18th, 2010, 02:04 PM
Chloe has been trying... to do her share. However, she has the least amount of useful skills of anyone on board Destiny. She wants to help. She wants to pull her own weight. I don't get folks who say she's useless or doesn't otherwise contribute.

She has asked to be put to work doing something, anything, but other than some manual labor (eg. picking fruit in "Time") and being the default body-swap person, no one has come forward and said, "Here's something you can do every day which will be of benefit to the running of the ship."

Can anyone suggest some sort of work for Chloe? There's a good fifty or so "no name" scientists, techs and soldiers who don't appear to do much of anything, although they are supposedly doing something related to their chosen fields. Should Chloe be put to work doing something one of these people could do, only not as well as they?

Someone will have to find a use for Chloe. She is not Neelix. She should not have to go around creating jobs for herself in order to stay on board. Perhaps, once they gain control of Destiny's systems she can get a job like this character: http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/galaxy_quest/sigourney_weaver/gq.jpg

regards,
G.

TitanShadow
May 18th, 2010, 05:35 PM
Someone will have to find a use for Chloe. She is not Neelix. She should not have to go around creating jobs for herself in order to stay on board. Perhaps, once they gain control of Destiny's systems she can get a job like this character: http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/galaxy_quest/sigourney_weaver/gq.jpg

LMAO... Yes I suppose she could... You are right, she is not Neelix with a wealth of odd job experience to draw from. Myself, I think her best position has not been created yet, it they ever need a diplomatic sort she would be it. Her family and life in politics she knows the art of compromise and reading people. I think she also could get into the whole solidifying the crew concept, mediating between the two factions, bring them together. I'd love to see that. :)

xxxevilgrinxxx
May 18th, 2010, 06:08 PM
I'm wondering about her position as "Wray" - as in, the civilian go between should something ever happen to Wray. It's clear that Young doesn't trust Wray, but I believe he has far more faith in Chloe. Just as Young goes to Eli because he doesn't trust Rush, is Young having Chloe fill that same position? As far as diplomacy goes, Chloe is far more suited.

garhkal
May 19th, 2010, 03:08 AM
Well, she is a senators daughter!

Gollumpus
May 19th, 2010, 12:03 PM
I'm wondering about her position as "Wray" - as in, the civilian go between should something ever happen to Wray. It's clear that Young doesn't trust Wray, but I believe he has far more faith in Chloe. Just as Young goes to Eli because he doesn't trust Rush, is Young having Chloe fill that same position? As far as diplomacy goes, Chloe is far more suited.

Chloe could serve as an intermediary between Young and Wray, and possibly even with Rush. The thing of it is, is that supposed to be her "job"? She gets up every morning, gets ready to face the day and waits for some issue to come up for which she can serve as an intermediary? That would get old kinda' quickly.

She still needs something which she can do to feel useful, not be the marriage counselor to the Young/Rush/Wray threesome. The writers have to cook something up which she can do on a regular basis, and then as needed she can play mediator.

regards,
G.

xxxevilgrinxxx
May 19th, 2010, 02:06 PM
Chloe could serve as an intermediary between Young and Wray, and possibly even with Rush. The thing of it is, is that supposed to be her "job"? She gets up every morning, gets ready to face the day and waits for some issue to come up for which she can serve as an intermediary? That would get old kinda' quickly.

She still needs something which she can do to feel useful, not be the marriage counselor to the Young/Rush/Wray threesome. The writers have to cook something up which she can do on a regular basis, and then as needed she can play mediator.

regards,
G.
GREEN! Love that description :)

pipi
May 19th, 2010, 11:47 PM
She still needs something which she can do to feel useful, not be the marriage counselor to the Young/Rush/Wray threesome.

She'll fit in perfectly at the bar, it will fit her very well. :)

TitanShadow
May 20th, 2010, 12:13 AM
I think she has a place on 'Away Missions' (I dislike reuse of the Star Trek term) as a provider of practical insight and perhaps diplomacy, a voice of reason.

xxxevilgrinxxx
May 20th, 2010, 06:45 AM
I think she has a place on 'Away Missions' (I dislike reuse of the Star Trek term) as a provider of practical insight and perhaps diplomacy, a voice of reason.

she held it together quite well when they were in the tunnels (and who wouldn't scream at a spider that size, right?)

Kaiphantom
May 20th, 2010, 09:34 AM
Chloe has been trying... to do her share. However, she has the least amount of useful skills of anyone on board Destiny. She wants to help. She wants to pull her own weight. I don't get folks who say she's useless or doesn't otherwise contribute.

Maybe she does want to help; but so far it seems like almost an afterthought. She wants to get off the ship to a nice planet, and either realizes "oh, right, I should probably do something" after the fact, or makes something up to go. So far, compared to everyone else, she hasn't been pulling her weight. The tvtropes entry for SGU currently has her listed as "The Load" for a reason.


She has asked to be put to work doing something, anything, but other than some manual labor (eg. picking fruit in "Time") and being the default body-swap person, no one has come forward and said, "Here's something you can do every day which will be of benefit to the running of the ship."

Can anyone suggest some sort of work for Chloe? There's a good fifty or so "no name" scientists, techs and soldiers who don't appear to do much of anything, although they are supposedly doing something related to their chosen fields. Should Chloe be put to work doing something one of these people could do, only not as well as they?

Well, part of the issue is that it's tough to show 50+ people on a TV show doing something. With the scientists, you can pretty much assume they are studying and repairing the ship. The military is protecting it, and handling the dangerous stuff. Some people are pulling double-duty like with the hydroponics lab. Other than Senator Armstrong, Chloe, and Eli, everyone at Icarus had a specialty or a job (like Becker in the mess), so they can be assumed to be doing something. But since Chloe is a main character, she gets more heat.


Someone will have to find a use for Chloe. She is not Neelix. She should not have to go around creating jobs for herself in order to stay on board. Perhaps, once they gain control of Destiny's systems she can get a job like this character: http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/galaxy_quest/sigourney_weaver/gq.jpg

Barmaid? Cleaner? I'm only partially joking, but people have suggested a ton of things she could do by now. We'd only be restating the list. They'd be things I'd be trying to do, to at least pitch in and pull my own weight, and not simply be a consumer of precious resources.

Gollumpus
May 20th, 2010, 11:42 AM
Maybe she does want to help; but so far it seems like almost an afterthought. She wants to get off the ship to a nice planet, and either realizes "oh, right, I should probably do something" after the fact, or makes something up to go. So far, compared to everyone else, she hasn't been pulling her weight. The tvtropes entry for SGU currently has her listed as "The Load" for a reason.

Well, a certain amount of responsibility for Chloe's inactivity could be laid at Young's feet. If he has someone on board who is not pulling their weight then he should look into finding something for that person to do. Why not have him(or Chloe) talk to Wray (another under achiever) and ask her to speak to various folks (from Rush on down) and ask if they need some unskilled (but willing to learn) labor to help out with something?


Well, part of the issue is that it's tough to show 50+ people on a TV show doing something. With the scientists, you can pretty much assume they are studying and repairing the ship. The military is protecting it, and handling the dangerous stuff. Some people are pulling double-duty like with the hydroponics lab. Other than Senator Armstrong, Chloe, and Eli, everyone at Icarus had a specialty or a job (like Becker in the mess), so they can be assumed to be doing something. But since Chloe is a main character, she gets more heat.

Which was what I was suggesting. It's not like she can become a specialist in FTL technology or become fluent in Ancient in 10 easy lessons. Maybe the writers should run with the archaeologist line and have her not just learn, but be seen to be learning, the Ancient language. Further, if she is supposed to become some sort of ambassador for the crew, having a knowledge of oral and written Ancient might be useful. Who knows, maybe Ancient will be the basis of the languages for future alien cultures. This being said, there's likely already a whack of folks who speak and write Ancient....


Barmaid? Cleaner? I'm only partially joking, but people have suggested a ton of things she could do by now. We'd only be restating the list. They'd be things I'd be trying to do, to at least pitch in and pull my own weight, and not simply be a consumer of precious resources.

Well, putting Chloe to work as a domestic would be of negligible benefit. I suspect everyone can handle washing out their own undies. Doling out alcohol doesn't seem much like helping. My suspicion is that Young keeps the food/water rations under tight control (ie. military control). If Chloe is a main character, then the writers will have to come up with something "special". I suspect this period of idleness is part of a set-up for the character's development. Likely in season two there will be a drift towards some sort of job for Chloe.


regards,
G.