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Daro
May 14th, 2010, 09:30 PM
We saw a lot of hallucinations this episode, sure. But what would we have seen if Young had been hallucinating? Eli? TJ? What scenes SHOULD we have seen, like Dr. Rush being dragged into the infirmiry, imagining the whole time he'd been retaken by the blue aliens and was about to be tortured again?

What would you have liked to see, in general?

Pharaoh Atem
May 14th, 2010, 09:37 PM
TJ sitting in a classroom experiencing life if she hadn't been in destiny at all. but like james has kept it to herself

s09119
May 14th, 2010, 09:38 PM
TJ sitting in a classroom experiencing life if she hadn't been in destiny at all. but like james has kept it to herself

That would have been a very emotional moment, now that I think it over. Would have been a nice way to show her, just once, before Young found the tick and got it out of her.

pipi
May 14th, 2010, 10:15 PM
Since the hallucinations amplify your deepest emotions, I'd say Eli would see Chloe dump him as a friend and he'd be all alone again. Not very exciting at all.

Specter177
May 14th, 2010, 10:17 PM
If Young were hallucinating, I would suspect he would see TJ dying, much like James saw Matt dead.

Pharaoh Atem
May 14th, 2010, 10:18 PM
If Young were hallucinating, I would suspect he would see TJ dying, much like James saw Matt dead.

or telford marrying his wife

AquaGamer53
May 14th, 2010, 10:22 PM
I don't know if it was just me, but I liked the fact that one of the characters (Chloe) indulged themselves in their hallucination. I mean, everyone else was freaking out and it was nice to have one of them stay clam and to almost have time to heal.

Even though she was effectively talking to herself, she got to spend time with her dad, and I really liked how Shooter McGavin, I mean Christopher McDonald played Senator Armstrong. I wonder what the "political" situation would be on Destiny with him in the mix, to have a leader that both the military and civilians would naturally follow back on Earth.

Also, I think Greer is might be getting ready to try and trust Rush and Wray again, I just wonder if they'll return the sentiment, especially Wray. The look he had on his face at the end of the episode really made me feel that he's sorry... Wray didn't like him, but she trusted him to protect, not attack, her, and with Greer, trust is a big thing. Now that he betrayed someone else's, I think we might see a less suspicious Greer (maybe just a little bit though ;))

RJLCyberPunk
May 14th, 2010, 10:26 PM
or telford marrying his wife

Ouch!:hammond:

Gollumpus
May 14th, 2010, 10:33 PM
I found it kind of interesting that of the various folks who had a tick experience, only Chloe had one which was a "positive". She got to talk to her old man again and she didn't bludgeon anyone to death.

regards,
G.

Pharaoh Atem
May 14th, 2010, 10:35 PM
I found it kind of interesting that of the various folks who had a tick experience, only Chloe had one which was a "positive". She got to talk to her old man again and she didn't bludgeon anyone to death.

regards,
G.
it deopends on how you look at it. i think it was bad

Gollumpus
May 14th, 2010, 10:42 PM
it deopends on how you look at it. i think it was bad

It ended badly because she had to "lose him again", but up until the point where the tick was removed she was having a good time. No paranoia. No fears. No regrets. Yes, she did re-experience that sense of loss of her father when the tick was removed, however, I think she was already prepared for that on some level.

regards,
G.

Save Chloe
May 14th, 2010, 10:48 PM
My girl Chloe knew that she was hallucinating, but she didn't want it to end LOL. I thought that was almost as hilarious as Rush beating up Greer and the military personell because he thought that they were blue aliens(Furlings - yes, the Blues are The Furlings!)

thekillman
May 15th, 2010, 12:47 AM
Chloe's hallucination made her not want to end it. essentially she preferred a dream world. that was the side-effect.

haloplayer
May 15th, 2010, 12:49 AM
It was cool to see the Smurfs....even though they were just an hallucination and therefore not real.

I was always wondering how the Smurfs (blue aliens) could gate to the Destiny...seeing they don't have a kino or a portable DHD, so i suspected before this episode aired that the scene i saw in a promo was in fact an hallucination.

Is this the last we will see of the Smurfs?

Do you think the RTS (rag tag survivors) will make contact again?

Pharaoh Atem
May 15th, 2010, 12:50 AM
we might see a incursion or 2 before the seasons done.

exscape
May 15th, 2010, 01:07 AM
My first thought when I watched the episode: **** this if the aliens coming through the stargate is in this episode.
Later: FFFFFUUUUUUUU (even though I hate that meme)

God damnit, why did they have to go and ruin something that could have been so great with a damn hallucination in the show's most boring episode? WHY? :(

spinny magee
May 15th, 2010, 01:16 AM
we might see a incursion or 2 before the seasons done.

I bet you my life that there isn't...at least not until season 2.5

spinny magee
May 15th, 2010, 01:20 AM
Riley's fears of been found out about being bribed.

Because either he's bad at guarding or Franklin "dissapearing"in sabotage, and spencer to get some water in well water and both bribed him.

I sense a conspirithy!

DigiFluid
May 15th, 2010, 01:43 AM
I'm actually kind of hoping that it actually was a Smurf stowaway that Rush saw, but he'll think it was a hallucination because of the tick.

lord groovy
May 15th, 2010, 02:03 AM
I'd rather say :

- Young seeing his wife aboard Destiny and discovering about TJ pregnancy. Maybe even threatening her ?

- TJ hallucinating about a grown up version of her child that could never got off the ship and end up hating her

- Eli having Chloe acknowledge him as boyfriend or at least (hum) s*xfriend since he's a little geeky on the edge

Lahela
May 15th, 2010, 02:26 AM
we might see a incursion or 2 before the seasons done.

Smarty pants :p

Pharaoh Atem
May 15th, 2010, 03:15 AM
Smarty pants :p

clever pants :)

Eternal Density
May 15th, 2010, 03:25 AM
Putting I hallucination in the trailer was sneaky!
I approve.

Quadhelix
May 15th, 2010, 04:12 AM
Since the hallucinations amplify your deepest emotions, I'd say Eli would see Chloe dump him as a friend and he'd be all alone again. Not very exciting at all.Or, you know, his mother dying of AIDS with him stuck on the other side of the universe.

Lahela
May 15th, 2010, 04:32 AM
Or, you know, his mother dying of AIDS with him stuck on the other side of the universe.

I agree that this would be his biggest fear. We've seen in other eps how deeply this affects him so, yeah.

garhkal
May 15th, 2010, 05:13 AM
I'm actually kind of hoping that it actually was a Smurf stowaway that Rush saw, but he'll think it was a hallucination because of the tick.

That would be wicked if they did do that. Which would make it easier for the smurfs to get to the destiny whe he sends a kino remote through the gate... So they can dial back.

garhkal
May 15th, 2010, 05:15 AM
If Young were hallucinating, I would suspect he would see TJ dying, much like James saw Matt dead.

Actually i would think he would have had one of his wife and Telford making out again, looking at him snarkily and gloating he could do nothing.
For TJ, the only thin that comes to mind is maybe she HAS the kid but aliens take him/her.

xxxevilgrinxxx
May 15th, 2010, 06:32 AM
Eli's mother dying alone.
Young's personal life, which he has a hard time being in control of, gets even worse when Emily leaves him for Telford and TJ loses her child and ends up hating him for it.
TJ sees all the things she should have had if she'd just got off Icarus when she was supposed to.
Park ends up where every man on the station decides to love their everloving mind and shuns her.


I'm kind of glad they didn't go down some of these routes because it could have gotten ugly pretty quick. I'm still amazed that out of them all, Chloe's was the most positive. Painful at the end, yes, but positive nonetheless.

Morganrone93
May 15th, 2010, 07:31 AM
I'm actually kind of hoping that it actually was a Smurf stowaway that Rush saw, but he'll think it was a hallucination because of the tick.

Ohhh, man that would be Superb!!!

Atleast for us viewers, tehe :P

Major_Griff
May 15th, 2010, 07:56 AM
Yeah, honestly they could have made this a two parter and gone into every single character getting a tick and hallucinating, but I think what we got was enough.

jelgate
May 15th, 2010, 08:35 AM
Or, you know, his mother dying of AIDS with him stuck on the other side of the universe.
I think she just had the HIV virus. No one said it had developed into AIDS yet

Kaeb
May 15th, 2010, 03:28 PM
Eli realizing that it was earth all along.

Commander Zelix
May 15th, 2010, 03:56 PM
What a huge let down it was for the blue aliens boarding the ship to be only some kind of hallucination. I was actually looking forward to it.

Ruv=8piTuv
May 15th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Didn't expect the blue aliens boarding the ship in a hallucination. The promo advertised a scene of what seemed like a kick ass episode, but it was a worst one ever. Screw the promos next time. They will get a low freaking rating in return.

Ruv=8piTuv
May 15th, 2010, 05:03 PM
Hehe, she had it coming.

Replicator Todd
May 15th, 2010, 05:21 PM
I'm actually kind of hoping that it actually was a Smurf stowaway that Rush saw, but he'll think it was a hallucination because of the tick.

Oh I hope so, if not then I will be really annoyed.

Daro
May 15th, 2010, 10:05 PM
I think she just had the HIV virus. No one said it had developed into AIDS yet

Indeed, I doubt he would have left Earth to start with, starships or not, if that were the case. Which would have resulted in Rush, Young, Chloe and all the rest being blown up on Icarus. We can't have that. ;)

Phenomenological
May 16th, 2010, 04:49 AM
I'm actually kind of hoping that it actually was a Smurf stowaway that Rush saw, but he'll think it was a hallucination because of the tick.

This would make me forgive them for their sneaky trailer moment. And then some.

Phenom
May 16th, 2010, 09:47 AM
Eli's biggest fear would have been having to get a job, so his hallucination would have been having to get up and go to work. Young's would have been being stuck in a locked room with his wife and TJ....awkward!!

Green Dragon
May 16th, 2010, 12:44 PM
Doubt we have seen the aliens the last time. They are hell-bent on taking Destiny.

carmencatalina
May 16th, 2010, 02:38 PM
Hehe, she had it coming.

Um, did you actually watch the episode? Greer didn't shoot wray - Rush stabbed her (thinking she was a blue alien), and with a screwdriver, no less. Crazy Rush is dangerous!

pipi
May 16th, 2010, 05:11 PM
Eli's biggest fear would have been having to get a job, so his hallucination would have been having to get up and go to work. Young's would have been being stuck in a locked room with his wife and TJ....awkward!!

May I add for Eli, no internet (porn) for a year. ARRRRRRRRRRRGH! :)

TitanShadow
May 16th, 2010, 05:28 PM
It ended badly because she had to "lose him again", but up until the point where the tick was removed she was having a good time. No paranoia. No fears. No regrets. Yes, she did re-experience that sense of loss of her father when the tick was removed, however, I think she was already prepared for that on some level.

Also, we have no idea about the long term impacts of the ticks. They had, obviously, been on them for a while. How bad could things have gotten? In Greer it was obvious that not only was he interacting with a hallucination that was 'added' to his view of reality but the active alteration of what was going on around him. Hearing the 'ok' to use deadly force instead of the stand down. How deep into hallucinations would things have gone?

The whole episode could have gone to a far deeper and darker place.

ladypredator
May 17th, 2010, 07:44 AM
We saw a lot of hallucinations this episode, sure. But what would we have seen if Young had been hallucinating? Eli? TJ? What scenes SHOULD we have seen, like Dr. Rush being dragged into the infirmiry, imagining the whole time he'd been retaken by the blue aliens and was about to be tortured again?

What would you have liked to see, in general?

Exactly that -- Rush being dragged to the infirmary and forced to have the tick removed, fighting all the way, convinced the aliens are going to torture him again - and Young forced to watch and face the consequences of what he did by abandoning Rush on that planet. Young still hasn't been really made to suffer the consequences.

And I'd bet that Young would have had some pretty interesting hallucinations -- I wonder what his would've been. His wife and TJ? The sense of failure and remorse re Rush? More paranoia like Greer's? Knowing that he's cracking up (as Louis Ferreira said that Young is aware of)? Something else?

ladypredator
May 17th, 2010, 07:53 AM
Um, did you actually watch the episode? Greer didn't shoot wray - Rush stabbed her (thinking she was a blue alien), and with a screwdriver, no less. Crazy Rush is dangerous!

Rush is a lot tougher and smarter than the military folks, esp. Greer, give him credit for. He got the drop on Greer and Wray there -- it was only the fact that he hallucinated that they were both aliens that led him to use the screwdriver on Wray instead of Greer. Rush could've taken Greer down there and he almost does again later when he attacks him with the crowbar. And he got Scott and a couple of other soldiers pretty good too. Bet he gave them a fight all the way until they got the tick off him and that there are a few military personal with some serious bruises from him. He's a fighter.

I was so disappointed we didn't get to see any of that.

Also, it seemed like we didn't get enough aftermath for Greer and Wray as well.

The one other thing I did like was Vanessa James giving Scott hell, even if she was hallucinating it. He deserved it.

But altogether, a rather disappointing episode. Rush was great, but Carlyle never gives a bad performance. And I was hoping for more interesting crazy behavior from Volker.

TitanShadow
May 17th, 2010, 04:07 PM
And I'd bet that Young would have had some pretty interesting hallucinations -- I wonder what his would've been. His wife and TJ? The sense of failure and remorse re Rush? More paranoia like Greer's? Knowing that he's cracking up (as Louis Ferreira said that Young is aware of)? Something else?

You know, I think his fears are deeper than that. Watching everyone die while he watches, the cries for help from the people under his command.

EllieVee
May 17th, 2010, 07:21 PM
You know, I think his fears are deeper than that. Watching everyone die while he watches, the cries for help from the people under his command.

I thought that was a Sheppard thing. I've never got that impression from Young.

pipi
May 18th, 2010, 12:05 AM
When TJ reinspected Scott's head and found the tick gone, I thought that she could be hallucinating about the ticks, as in there were no ticks, hence a different type of contaminant like water or airborne. TJ was the only one to inspect everyone at first, they just took her word for it that it was a tick. The show keeps you guessing.
(I'm also waiting for an idiot to point out the obvious that the ticks were real and were squished).

Tuvok
May 18th, 2010, 08:49 AM
or telford marrying his wife

Young seeing Telford be a better husband , lover to his wife. His wife crying out Telford name during sex.

Eli would see his mother, decaying away. Wondering where he is and why he didn't try harder.

TJ would see the crew dead and dying, begging for her help. Wondering why she isn't good enough, smart enough.

TitanShadow
May 18th, 2010, 01:33 PM
I thought that was a Sheppard thing. I've never got that impression from Young.

Really it is the thing for any commander especially if they have reason to doubt thier position or themselves at all. Even O'Neil might have similar issues.

TitanShadow
May 18th, 2010, 01:36 PM
Young seeing Telford be a better husband , lover to his wife. His wife crying out Telford name during sex.

Eli would see his mother, decaying away. Wondering where he is and why he didn't try harder.

TJ would see the crew dead and dying, begging for her help. Wondering why she isn't good enough, smart enough.

I think you hit it on the head, well stated.

Gollumpus
May 18th, 2010, 03:04 PM
Also, we have no idea about the long term impacts of the ticks. They had, obviously, been on them for a while. How bad could things have gotten? In Greer it was obvious that not only was he interacting with a hallucination that was 'added' to his view of reality but the active alteration of what was going on around him. Hearing the 'ok' to use deadly force instead of the stand down. How deep into hallucinations would things have gone?

The whole episode could have gone to a far deeper and darker place.

There was also a comment towards the end of the episode where it is suggested that if you had more than one tick on you that it could intensify the nature of the hallucinations. This would explain Greer, Volker and Rush having much more intense experiences than say Chloe and Scott.

regards,
G.

TitanShadow
May 18th, 2010, 05:25 PM
There was also a comment towards the end of the episode where it is suggested that if you had more than one tick on you that it could intensify the nature of the hallucinations. This would explain Greer, Volker and Rush having much more intense experiences than say Chloe and Scott.

Exactly, I think it would have been fun to explore that. Going into areas of the ship that were unsafe, etc...

PG15
May 19th, 2010, 12:46 AM
Someone else on this board suggested the idea that Young could've hallucinated about the people who died under his command coming back, like Spencer and Gorman.

It's interesting because he specifically named them in a previous episode as people he'd let down.

EllieVee
May 19th, 2010, 01:14 AM
Someone else on this board suggested the idea that Young could've hallucinated about the people who died under his command coming back, like Spencer and Gorman.

It's interesting because he specifically named them in a previous episode as people he'd let down.

Wasn't itTJ who said it to Young?

ancientaction
May 19th, 2010, 01:58 AM
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Eli would probably see his mother onboard the Destiny, and die of AIDS. I say, Onboard as the more dramatic situation, b/c he left home for the sole purpose to fund her needs. If she wound up on the Destiny, she could get that care, I think that would be Eli's nightmare. the second thing would be Chloe becoming his enemy.

Young, would see Talford take his wife, after his wife found out that TJ has his kid, after that, he would see the rest of the crew slowly die. afterall, his wife was the only person holding him together, or rather, being able to see her again is holding him together, if he looses her, and TJ, his next bigest fear is fending for himself.


Chloe, If the tick wasn't removed, I would assume that after some time, she would relive her father dieing. Chloe is strong, I think strong enough to 'fight' what the tick was trying to do, but eventually, she wouldn't have been able to fight much longer.

PG15
May 19th, 2010, 02:12 AM
Wasn't itTJ who said it to Young?

Well, they were having a conversation:


JOHANSEN: You lost someone under your command.

YOUNG: Most recently three people - Gorman, Spencer and Rush. It happens.

JOHANSEN: Well, I know how much it affects you.

YOUNG: Different ways I let them down.

JOHANSEN: So, if you ever wanna talk about it, I'm here.

YOUNG: I know.

carmencatalina
May 19th, 2010, 01:20 PM
JOHANSEN: You lost someone under your command.

YOUNG: Most recently three people - Gorman, Spencer and Rush. It happens.

I hate to be the bad fan who doesn't remember the redshirts' names, but which one was Gorman? Dude eaten alive by the sand bugs?

jelgate
May 19th, 2010, 02:26 PM
I hate to be the bad fan who doesn't remember the redshirts' names, but which one was Gorman? Dude eaten alive by the sand bugs?

He was the smart guy who thought it was a good idea to shoot at the aliens from Scott's sand planet

Eternal Density
May 19th, 2010, 04:39 PM
Indeed, I doubt he would have left Earth to start with, starships or not, if that were the case. Which would have resulted in Rush, Young, Chloe and all the rest being blown up on Icarus. We can't have that. ;)"Icarus is closed because of AIDS"


Chloe's hallucination made her not want to end it. essentially she preferred a dream world. that was the side-effect.And then Chloe has to decide whether to take the red pill or the blue pill.

pipi
May 19th, 2010, 11:43 PM
And then Chloe has to decide whether to take the red pill or the blue pill.

What colour is birth control :P ?

Artemis-Neith
May 20th, 2010, 12:31 AM
What colour is birth control :P ?

Hmm, green? Da** then it's out of control ;) Poor Chloe! :D

Eternal Density
May 20th, 2010, 06:46 PM
Hmm, green? Da** then it's out of control ;) Poor Chloe! :DI feel a Mass Effect 2 meme appro~ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

garhkal
May 22nd, 2010, 04:50 AM
She woul take them both