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Tuvok
April 26th, 2010, 06:56 AM
When Scott advised that Greer was Claustrophobic I thought it was odd considering Destiny in general.

I also found in odd that during the cave in and being trapped. He showed no obvious sign of general panic . I know he is the resident bad ass but I thought he would be a bit more agressive in his need for open spaces.

During the flashback to his childhood, as a possible explanation . I came to think that Greer is NOT claustrophobic. He just gets uncomfortable in small spaces because they remind him of his childhood. A period of time he was vulnable and unable to defend himself. It's just that Scott assumed that he was. :cameron:

jelgate
April 26th, 2010, 07:03 AM
When Scott advised that Greer was Claustrophobic I thought it was odd considering Destiny in general.

I also found in odd that during the cave in and being trapped. He showed no obvious sign of general panic . I know he is the resident bad ass but I thought he would be a bit more agressive in his need for open spaces.

During the flashback to his childhood, as a possible explanation . I came to think that Greer is NOT claustrophobic. He just gets uncomfortable in small spaces because they remind him of his childhood. A period of time he was vulnable and unable to defend himself. It's just that Scott assumed that he was. :cameron:

Which is still claustrophobia. The reason is just unique. Thier are several different degrees. Some are more severe then others. Greer is the kind of person yeah he has fear but is willing to push through the uncomfortable situation

escyos
April 26th, 2010, 07:06 AM
and destiny isnt really that small to be considered a claustrophobic inducing area

JustAnotherVoice
April 26th, 2010, 07:19 AM
He showed no obvious sign of general panic . I know he is the resident bad ass but I thought he would be a bit more agressive in his need for open spaces.


Keep in mind that he's a MSGT, and probably combat hardened. He's probably used to dealing with his fears on some level. Not to mention that being slightly claustraphobic doesn't mean full blown panic attacks whenever feels enclosed. I'm slightly claustraphobic (during rush hour, at least) when I'm on the underground, metro or whatever equivalent you know, but that doesn't mean I freak out everytime I ride into the city.

Incidentally, this claustraphobia (at least the flashbacks) casts new light on his holding cell back on Icarus, which, iirc, was quite small too.

Tuvok
April 26th, 2010, 10:22 AM
Keep in mind that he's a MSGT, and probably combat hardened. He's probably used to dealing with his fears on some level. Not to mention that being slightly claustraphobic doesn't mean full blown panic attacks whenever feels enclosed. I'm slightly claustraphobic (during rush hour, at least) when I'm on the underground, metro or whatever equivalent you know, but that doesn't mean I freak out everytime I ride into the city.

Incidentally, this claustraphobia (at least the flashbacks) casts new light on his holding cell back on Icarus, which, iirc, was quite small too.

True, true. While I love the character I do enjoy more layers being added. Maybe next week we find out that he's a Kirk fan over Picard.

prion
April 26th, 2010, 10:37 AM
You actually can be a little claustrophobic. It's not black and white. You can deal with a cave, or squeezing through part of a ceiling, but would freak if made to crawl through concrete tunnel under road. Just like heights. You can freak out over heights, say, on a ladder, but have no problem being that high and looking out a window.

JustAnotherVoice
April 26th, 2010, 11:39 AM
Maybe next week we find out that he's a Kirk fan over Picard.

Nevaaaaaar!

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 26th, 2010, 12:20 PM
Greer is mighty calm in those catacombs for someone suffering from claustrophobia.

Tuvok
April 26th, 2010, 02:20 PM
Greer is mighty calm in those catacombs for someone suffering from claustrophobia.

That's why I pondered if it wasn't Claustrophobia.

I get that your trained, but if your where in a situation and it got worse. A little sweat, a raised voice an indication of discomfort is to be expected. Even Eli reacted more then he did. So yeah wasn't too sure and think that Scott assumes it's Claustrophobia.

Also I just realized , Greer is a Sisko man of course.:cameron:

Fridgefiend
April 26th, 2010, 04:17 PM
Greer is mighty calm in those catacombs for someone suffering from claustrophobia.

I think he's just pushing through it. Since he seems like the kinda guy to hide his fear.

Besides maybe next week we'll see him getting more and more upset the longer they're down there.

pipi
April 26th, 2010, 06:32 PM
He's calming his nerves when he holds a weapon. As long as the walls are between the gun and himself, then it won't make him panic as much.

The tunnel wasn't actually that small to begin with. Probably didn't have any effect on him.

Tuvok
April 26th, 2010, 06:40 PM
He's calming his nerves when he holds a weapon. As long as the walls are between the gun and himself, then it won't make him panic as much.

The tunnel wasn't actually that small to begin with. Probably didn't have any effect on him.

Hmmmm...that's a bit of a stretch isn't it. I mean he's ok as long as he has a gun to hold off the walls. Even as a psychological crutch that's a bit thin.

pipi
April 26th, 2010, 07:04 PM
Hmmmm...that's a bit of a stretch isn't it. I mean he's ok as long as he has a gun to hold off the walls. Even as a psychological crutch that's a bit thin.

He is a military hard nut. If there was a deadly huge spider infront of ya, most people would be scared, but if you had a gun you'd feel a bit safer. Some kind of anology there.

Pharaoh Atem
April 26th, 2010, 10:17 PM
yes greer is human shocking huh>?

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 27th, 2010, 04:16 AM
I've got claustrophobia as well, but it isn't crippling, so I understand. I didn't see Greer as calm in the tunnels; I thought he was on edge. I think his claus. might be very specific, as being underground.

FallenAngelII
April 27th, 2010, 06:20 AM
There was no real reason for Greer to panic when there was a "cave-in". After all, the place didn't get any smaller, it just lost its exit. If he'd panicked, it would've been from the fear of imminent death, not from "heightened claustrophobia".

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 27th, 2010, 06:22 AM
see, now "no exit" is exactly what triggers my claustrophobia, so I get it

reddevil18
April 27th, 2010, 06:38 AM
No, he's faking it because he's an attention whore.

FallenAngelII
April 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
see, now "no exit" is exactly what triggers my claustrophobia, so I get it
That's not really claustrophobia...

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 27th, 2010, 06:52 AM
That's not really claustrophobia...
:rolleyes:
fear of restriction = classic symptom of claustrophobia
that people manage to cope with it doesn't mean that it disappears
That Greer is able to cope with his doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People cope with fears all the time.

FallenAngelII
April 27th, 2010, 06:54 AM
:rolleyes:
fear of restriction = classic symptom of claustrophobia
that people manage to cope with it doesn't mean that it disappears
That Greer is able to cope with his doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People cope with fears all the time.
No, I mean that if your claustrophobia is only triggered when there's no exit, then it's not simple "run-of-the-mill" claustrophobia. Of course, there are several "types" of claustrophobia, but yours is a very specific one if you can stand being forced into a small enclosed space perfectly well as long as you always have the ability to walk out of there but start to panic if the door gets jammed or something.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 27th, 2010, 06:56 AM
I refuse to get into a yes it is, no it isn't war with you. You are free to believe anything you like. Even if it is wrong :)

wargrafix
April 27th, 2010, 07:52 AM
Greer is a weakling. time to write him off the show. he is annoying.

Lord Hurin
April 27th, 2010, 09:07 AM
Greer is a weakling. time to write him off the show. he is annoying.

Care to back that up with something? Examples from the show? Character traits you don't like?

I don't think there's any justifiable way that you can call him a "weakling." He's a USMC Master Sergeant, it simply doesn't fit.

JustAnotherVoice
April 27th, 2010, 09:16 AM
Care to back that up with something? Examples from the show? Character traits you don't like?

I don't think there's any justifiable way that you can call him a "weakling." He's a USMC Master Sergeant, it simply doesn't fit.

He succumbed to his basic biological imperative when he rode Park! Oh the humanity of it all! Get rid of him! Get rid of hiiiiim!! :p

Lord Hurin
April 27th, 2010, 09:22 AM
He succumbed to his basic biological imperative when he rode Park! Oh the humanity of it all! Get rid of him! Get rid of hiiiiim!! :p

Hehe, can you blame him? :P

I like Greer. I like that he seems to be getting a few more "layers" with TJ's talk about his hard-assed dad and the snippet of flashback in this ep. His little talk in front of the Kino during "Light" (I think) was cool too.

JustAnotherVoice
April 27th, 2010, 09:32 AM
Hehe, can you blame him? :P

I like Greer. I like that he seems to be getting a few more "layers" with TJ's talk about his hard-assed dad and the snippet of flashback in this ep. His little talk in front of the Kino during "Light" (I think) was cool too.

It really is about time that they added more depth to the supporting characters. I'm surprised they've been slow slow with Greer's character development, tbh. Wray seems to have much more depth, despsite Ming Na being credited as a guest for most of the first half of the season.

Two dimensional characters in an ensemble cast is a quick way to get the actor demoted to guest spots and eventually being written out (I hope I don't have to remind anyone of Ford).

Tuvok
April 27th, 2010, 02:31 PM
There was no real reason for Greer to panic when there was a "cave-in". After all, the place didn't get any smaller, it just lost its exit. If he'd panicked, it would've been from the fear of imminent death, not from "heightened claustrophobia".

See that's what made me question the whole Claustrophobia thing. A ten feet off the ground I get nervous. Ten stories off the ground on the edge of the roof I start losing it.

Claustrophobic, narrow space and no exit.

Just thought that would be good time as any to go ape crazy in there.

bla232
April 27th, 2010, 03:46 PM
Maybe his dad not only hit him but locked him up in a shack when he didn't behave... this would explain things.

Razor One
April 27th, 2010, 04:31 PM
See that's what made me question the whole Claustrophobia thing. A ten feet off the ground I get nervous. Ten stories off the ground on the edge of the roof I start losing it.

Claustrophobic, narrow space and no exit.

Just thought that would be good time as any to go ape crazy in there.

Thing is though, he's had military training. They generally teach you how to deal with fear and panic and how best to deal with it.

Dealing with fear and maintaining a cool head does not necessarily mean the fear and panic aren't there.

I'm also claustrophobic. Growing up with an older brother and sister tended to make me a bit of a victim in that department, often they'd lock me in a closet or bury me under pillows and sit on them to trigger a panic attack.

While there is a surge of panic, fear, adrenaline and so on, I learned to clamp down on my emotions and remain calm. Because panic was the desired response, not panicking negated whatever satisfaction my elder siblings got from their depredations, resulting in them moving towards other methods of sibling competition and a reduction of their desire to trigger my claustrophobia.

It's all relative. I knew a person once that was terrified of feathers and quite literally couldn't stand to be in the same room as them, let alone near a bird. Cover the cage over with a cloth though, and it was all good, even if the bird was squawking and twittering away happily.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 27th, 2010, 04:36 PM
Thing is though, he's had military training. They generally teach you how to deal with fear and panic and how best to deal with it.

Dealing with fear and maintaining a cool head does not necessarily mean the fear and panic aren't there.

I'm also claustrophobic. Growing up with an older brother and sister tended to make me a bit of a victim in that department, often they'd lock me in a closet or bury me under pillows and sit on them to trigger a panic attack.

While there is a surge of panic, fear, adrenaline and so on, I learned to clamp down on my emotions and remain calm. Because panic was the desired response, not panicking negated whatever satisfaction my elder siblings got from their depredations, resulting in them moving towards other methods of sibling competition and a reduction of their desire to trigger my claustrophobia.

It's all relative. I knew a person once that was terrified of feathers and quite literally couldn't stand to be in the same room as them, let alone near a bird. Cover the cage over with a cloth though, and it was all good, even if the bird was squawking and twittering away happily.
yep, exactly, we learn to cope with our fears, and I think Greer;s sense of duty had him go underground to help protect the people he was with. Not because he wasn't afraid but in spite of that fear.

Aside from being claustrophobic, I'm scared to death of rats and, although I definitely don't have to handle rats or be around them in my life, I have made it a habit to - when I have the opportunity to be around domesticated rats - to be near them or even handle them, although I'll admit that I can't do it for more than a few seconds and wild rats still scare the hell out of me. I think there are lots of people that deal with their fears this way, by facing them.

FallenAngelII
April 27th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Aside from being claustrophobic, I'm scared to death of rats and, although I definitely don't have to handle rats or be around them in my life, I have made it a habit to - when I have the opportunity to be around domesticated rats - to be near them or even handle them, although I'll admit that I can't do it for more than a few seconds and wild rats still scare the hell out of me. I think there are lots of people that deal with their fears this way, by facing them.
I was afraid of heights (as in I got dizzy and stuff). When I was in ninth grade, our teacher took our class to an amusement park. I decided to grab by bull by the horns and rode all of the rides that involve heights. Now I'm barely affected by heights.

garhkal
April 28th, 2010, 04:11 PM
You actually can be a little claustrophobic. It's not black and white. You can deal with a cave, or squeezing through part of a ceiling, but would freak if made to crawl through concrete tunnel under road. Just like heights. You can freak out over heights, say, on a ladder, but have no problem being that high and looking out a window.

One of the ladies i know who got med discharged from the navy had a light form of claustrophobia. What was strange with hers, is as long as their was lighting, it would not kick in, but if there was not much light (ie like the entrance of that tunnel system seemed to be like) it would kick in. Perhaps he is like that, as long as he has light he is ok.

AndSoItBegins
April 28th, 2010, 04:42 PM
I think the fact that Greer was for the most part mute after the cave collapse says it all about his claustrophobia.

Then again that may be just an example of the writers underusing him. :)

AndSoItBegins
April 28th, 2010, 04:44 PM
It really is about time that they added more depth to the supporting characters. I'm surprised they've been slow slow with Greer's character development, tbh. Wray seems to have much more depth, despsite Ming Na being credited as a guest for most of the first half of the season.

Two dimensional characters in an ensemble cast is a quick way to get the actor demoted to guest spots and eventually being written out (I hope I don't have to remind anyone of Ford).

Thank you. Glad someone else noticed and voiced that opinion.

Tuvok
April 30th, 2010, 11:15 AM
It really is about time that they added more depth to the supporting characters. I'm surprised they've been slow slow with Greer's character development, tbh. Wray seems to have much more depth, despsite Ming Na being credited as a guest for most of the first half of the season.

Two dimensional characters in an ensemble cast is a quick way to get the actor demoted to guest spots and eventually being written out (I hope I don't have to remind anyone of Ford).

You know the saddest thing.

Truthfully.

Greer has had more character moments in half a season that help define him then poor Ford :ford: did in the one and a half seasons on Atlantis.

We know that Greer is loyal. Practical, thoughtfull in the face of death. His father abused him, he is claustrophobic and had a less the perfect upbringing. He will choose the Military family over all else and he has no hesitation on using violence but doesn't use it at a drop at a hat as feared.

Poor Ford. Cheerfull, loved his grandmother ( I think) , had a nice cap.