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Ser Scot A Ellison
April 21st, 2010, 04:40 AM
Remember?

How can Young have her under orders to return to the ship given that fact. She's been acting like a member of the military team but if you look at the paperwork she's not. She had every bit as much a right to stay as the other civilians. Young can't court martial her for failure to follow orders, she, according to records back home, is no longer an officer in the U.S. Air Force.

Discuss.

reddevil18
April 21st, 2010, 04:45 AM
The paperwork hadn't gone through.
And I can't remember. Did she actually resign or ask for a transfer?

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 21st, 2010, 04:56 AM
reddevil,


The paperwork hadn't gone through.
And I can't remember. Did she actually resign or ask for a transfer?

During "Air, pt 1" she has a conversation with Wray where Wray asks why she's leaving (hinting at the affair gone sour) and she says it's time and she wants to go to med school. Is there a version of the FLIP program for members of the Armed forces who want to go to Med School where they retain their commission and pay while they are in school in exchange for service when they get out?

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 21st, 2010, 05:37 AM
Remember?

How can Young have her under orders to return to the ship given that fact. She's been acting like a member of the military team but if you look at the paperwork she's not. She had every bit as much a right to stay as the other civilians. Young can't court martial her for failure to follow orders, she, according to records back home, is no longer an officer in the U.S. Air Force.

Discuss.

Officers who decide to leave the military remain part it and its hierarchy until the paperwork has been gone through, and they finish at least the minimum term of service. Further the military can happily stop people in some situations from resigning, you can't for example in the middle of a tour of Afghanistan decide you want out and try and resign.

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 21st, 2010, 05:43 AM
TM6P,

I suppose it's a question of details then. I ot the impression she was leaving to go back when the Hammond made its return trip. Would that mean the paperwork had already gone through or that it would be processed when she got home? I don't know.

Do you agree that if the paperwork had gone through she would be as civilian as Rush?

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 21st, 2010, 05:53 AM
TM6P,

I suppose it's a question of details then. I ot the impression she was leaving to go back when the Hammond made its return trip. Would that mean the paperwork had already gone through or that it would be processed when she got home? I don't know.

Do you agree that if the paperwork had gone through she would be as civilian as Rush?
She was offworld, deployed on Icarus and therefore on active military service. She was presumably planning on ending her career at the end of her current tour of duty on Icarus (hence her conversation with Wray) however going to Destiny ended that, she's still on active service and can't resign.

She wouldn't have left the military structure until she was back on earth and no longer deployed.

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 21st, 2010, 06:05 AM
TM6P,

Okay, what about the dramatic scenes in other SF shows like when Data resigned rather than submit himself to a procedure that might kill him. Could she do that, can that only be done in certain circumstances, or is that all a bunch of hooy?

KEK
April 21st, 2010, 06:19 AM
To be fair, they're on the other side of the universe, if one of them doesn't want to serve any more then there's not much Young can do about it.

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 21st, 2010, 06:38 AM
TM6P,

Okay, what about the dramatic scenes in other SF shows like when Data resigned rather than submit himself to a procedure that might kill him. Could she do that, can that only be done in certain circumstances, or is that all a bunch of hooy?

Err that's Star Trek, which firstly has no basis in reality, unlike here where they are depicting the USAF who also advise on the scripts, and also Star Trek was about as mildly military as you can get, they really based very little on any sort of real world military protocol or practices. In this case TJ can't resign her commission until she's finished her deployment, no matter how long that deployment lasts.

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 21st, 2010, 06:46 AM
TM6P,

Got it. That's what I figured. No more relying upon fake UCMJs.

:)

Laertes
April 21st, 2010, 08:34 AM
To be fair, they're on the other side of the universe, if one of them doesn't want to serve any more then there's not much Young can do about it.

he can put a gun to her head and make her...

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 21st, 2010, 08:49 AM
Laertes,

Yeah, he could. However, I wouldn't want to be the patient she was treating at gun point.

KEK
April 21st, 2010, 09:11 AM
he can put a gun to her head and make her...

He doesn't have the balls. She could still refuse, even if he did anyway...

latvian_stargatefan
April 21st, 2010, 10:00 AM
he can put a gun to her head and make her...
Why do sth like that if, like in "Faith", you now that the chick wants you and you can just say "I need you" and she'll change her decision :)
The fact is, the girl didn't choose to stay because she was military and it was her duty but because Young said that he needs her... whether or not he meant in in the way that he needs her as a medical officer or that he needs her as a woman

carmencatalina
April 21st, 2010, 10:21 AM
What Young actually said was "They need you", meaning the people on Destiny.

Lord Hurin
April 21st, 2010, 12:37 PM
What Young actually said was "They need you", meaning the people on Destiny.

Which was absolutely true and TJ realized it. No bullying on Young's part. I think he may have known about the child as well, judging from his "not everyone" line when Wray told him that all the people on the planet had the right to choose for themselves.

Fridgefiend
April 21st, 2010, 06:09 PM
Which was absolutely true and TJ realized it. No bullying on Young's part. I think he may have known about the child as well, judging from his "not everyone" line when Wray told him that all the people on the planet had the right to choose for themselves.

I think he was referring to the military personnel. They are under his command and so can't go running off on their own without his permission. Young doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd force her to stay just because she's having his kid. I doubt he knows anyway.

Gollumpus
April 21st, 2010, 07:03 PM
I think he was referring to the military personnel. They are under his command and so can't go running off on their own without his permission. Young doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd force her to stay just because she's having his kid. I doubt he knows anyway.

Yup.

regards,
G.

Taiko
April 21st, 2010, 07:48 PM
Remember?

How can Young have her under orders to return to the ship given that fact. She's been acting like a member of the military team but if you look at the paperwork she's not. She had every bit as much a right to stay as the other civilians. Young can't court martial her for failure to follow orders, she, according to records back home, is no longer an officer in the U.S. Air Force.

Discuss.

Wrong according to the scenario she would no longer be an active member of the USAF after she got back to earth and processed out. However she still would be an officer in the USAFR, the reserves, subject to recall and deployment even to Iraq or Afghanistan ( I doubt to other planets however) for a number of years after her active duty service commitment had ended. If she was a Captain it is more likely she would have finished that reserve commitment before leaving active duty, Lieutenants, generally don't have enough service time to do that. Unless she was one of the 10% or so of Lieutenants who are not selected for promotion to Captain. They are called "the wrong people" after all.

Lord Hurin
April 21st, 2010, 08:54 PM
I think he was referring to the military personnel. They are under his command and so can't go running off on their own without his permission. Young doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd force her to stay just because she's having his kid. I doubt he knows anyway.

Fair enough. I'm still on the fence on whether it will be awesome or horrible when Young finds out. Come to think of it, have the writers ever had to do a scene like that before? The father of Teyla's super wraith hybrid baby was brainwashed and mutated by the time Teyla would have told him. I honestly can't remember. I hope it has the emotional weight it should without turning into a sobfest or a fit of anger.

Gollumpus
April 21st, 2010, 10:10 PM
I hope it has the emotional weight it should without turning into a sobfest or a fit of anger.

Ten bucks says Young cries before TJ.

regards,
G

carmencatalina
April 22nd, 2010, 12:56 PM
We've already seen TJ cry (during one of the time loops in "Time" when Chloe died, and she is crying at the end of "Faith").