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RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 07:44 PM
The most likely course of events to me. Would be that while Earth was investigating the 9 chevron address they caught the attention of the Ancients. One or more were curious to see how their experiment unfolded as they are not all-knowing. I think an Ancient went through the gate with them and has been watching them and possible has given them a way out.

Lord Hurin
April 16th, 2010, 08:12 PM
The most likely course of events to me. Would be that while Earth was investigating the 9 chevron address they caught the attention of the Ancients. One or more were curious to see how their experiment unfolded as they are not all-knowing. I think an Ancient went through the gate with them and has been watching them and possible has given them a way out.

Even the Ancients couldn't create a planet out of nothing though. Plus there's the whole non-interference thing...

Morrolan
April 16th, 2010, 08:14 PM
Not feasible. Ever since the whole non-interference stance was called into question during the battle with the Ori, there is no way an ascended Alteran is going to hitch a ride with the Icarus group.

erotavlas
April 16th, 2010, 08:23 PM
seems unlikely. If it was a rogue ancient that traveled to the destiny why would they wait until now at that particular spot to help them? they could have done so at the beginning (in whatever galaxy destiny was when the team arrived) and would still have been far enough away from the other ancients that they couldn't really do anything about it.

GoodSmeagol
April 16th, 2010, 08:27 PM
Would it not have been easier to say, poof up the power to the gate so they can dial earth...
Making a planet, with an obelisk, that shines a light yadda yadda, seems like a ton of work, to 'give them a way out'. Kinda like building a space ship to get across a river to me.
Why is there a spoiler tag?

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 08:29 PM
The only reason for their non-interference stance was the Ancients fearing the humans worshiping them and by that worship becoming corrupted like the Ori. They don't have that to worry about helping Destiny.

If it wasn't the Ancients then who. I highly highly doubt some race created a solar system.


Would it not have been easier to say, poof up the power to the gate so they can dial earth...
Making a planet, with an obelisk, that shines a light yadda yadda, seems like a ton of work, to 'give them a way out'. Kinda like building a space ship to get across a river to me.
Why is there a spoiler tag?

The Ancients aren't all powerful. But they do have control over the elements and nature so maybe building a solar system is possible. And about the spoiler tag, I dunno. Cuz west coast people haven't seen it yet.

DigiFluid
April 16th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Even the Ancients couldn't create a planet out of nothing though. Plus there's the whole non-interference thing...
Actually, they can.

Re-watch the end of "Full Circle".

Halzman
April 16th, 2010, 09:05 PM
The most logical explanation for the planet, other then the writers just needing a paradise planet for the episode, is that an alien civilization noticed the seeder ship(s), and analyzed its equipment to determine what it was scanning for.

For instance, since the seeder ships only put stargate's on habitable planets, they would be scanning for specific properties. Perhaps this advanced civilization was able to determine exactly what the ships were looking for - and for one reason or another, decided to build the planet (if you include the element of time travel, you could say the advanced civilization knew the Destiny would arrive there)

Pharaoh Atem
April 16th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Even the Ancients couldn't create a planet out of nothing though. Plus there's the whole non-interference thing...

just building a star system to help destiny get some supplies IMO doesn't count towards that rule. maybe some of the ancients feel bad for the crew of the destiny

Halzman
April 16th, 2010, 09:14 PM
just building a star system to help destiny get some supplies IMO doesn't count towards that rule. maybe some of the ancients feel bad for the crew of the destiny

Just like when the ancients felt bad for humans when the Ori slaughtered countless of them across the milky way galaxy... oh wait


IMO, the only thing the ancients are doing is thinking how dumb we are for getting in way over our heads, and or questioning whether our actions are crazy or stupid.

Pharaoh Atem
April 16th, 2010, 09:17 PM
Just like when the ancients felt bad for humans when the Ori slaughtered countless of them across the milky way galaxy... oh wait


IMO, the only thing the ancients are doing is thinking how dumb we are for getting in way over our heads, and or questioning whether our actions are crazy or stupid.

but after 15 years and the amamzing things we've done you can't tell me we haven't earned just a tiny amount of respect from the ancients. i refused to believe that all of them just ignore what's happen in the past 2 series and now the accident that got the crew to the destiny. i think we've earned just a small favor from them and maybe this planet was it.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Just like when the ancients felt bad for humans when the Ori slaughtered countless of them across the milky way galaxy... oh wait


IMO, the only thing the ancients are doing is thinking how dumb we are for getting in way over our heads, and or questioning whether our actions are crazy or stupid.


You don't realize the reason the Ancients don't interfere. They refuse to help cuz they are afraid of creating an image for the humans to worship. In turn giving the Ancients power like the Ori and possibly corrupting them.

DigiFluid
April 16th, 2010, 09:24 PM
You don't realize the reason the Ancients don't interfere. They refuse to help cuz they are afraid of creating an image for the humans to worship. In turn giving the Ancients power like the Ori and possibly corrupting them.
It's more than that though. The Ancients' Rule #1 is a lot like the Prime Directive. They do not interfere with less advanced races period because history has show time and again that leads to disaster.

Jakerod
April 16th, 2010, 09:26 PM
Which is exactly what they would have been doing if they helped them this time. Look at the way the people who chose to stay rationalized the planet. They believed that they were supposed to find it. That sounds kind of religious to me. Not to mention if they wanted to help them why wouldn't they just power the gate up and send them home?

Halzman
April 16th, 2010, 09:32 PM
but after 15 years and the amamzing things we've done you can't tell me we haven't earned just a tiny amount of respect from the ancients. i refused to believe that all of them just ignore what's happen in the past 2 series and now the accident that got the crew to the destiny. i think we've earned just a small favor from them and maybe this planet was it.

1 or 2 years ago, in the stargate universe, we defeating the ascended Ori finally - the only threat the ascended ancients ever had (I suppose). The only thing they did for us was let us use Merlin's weapon. Every single time an ancient helps, they get burned for it. We didn't even get a fruit basket.

It wasn't really an accident that got the crew stuck on the Destiny, it was actions by certain people; the Luccian Alliance attacking, the specific properties of the planet, Rush's ego, etc etc.... the sacred geometry of chance, that's what it comes to. I do believe the ancients at least owe us for dealing with the ascended ori, but even then, as with all of our other problems, it was specific actions by certain people that made the past 15 years happen, for good or worse.

And for that same reason, is why the ancients will never interfere and solve or improve our situation. If the ancients really wanted to help, as someone else mentioned, they should of just boosted the power reserves on the ship, allowing the Destiny crew to get home, or close to it (maybe they could of dialed to Pegasus or something).

Halzman
April 16th, 2010, 09:35 PM
You don't realize the reason the Ancients don't interfere. They refuse to help cuz they are afraid of creating an image for the humans to worship. In turn giving the Ancients power like the Ori and possibly corrupting them.



Oh I fully realize why the ancients dont interfere. In fact, I beleive Orlin explained it in the episode where he built a stargate.... and what happened to him, yea... he got burned, redeemed later on, but still burned. And then he got burned again in season 09 for helping us defeat the Ori bug plaque thing...

wingsabre
April 16th, 2010, 09:59 PM
First off, Ancients can help, except they can't do so directly. Look at the Pegasus Project. Morgan La Fey was able to give the address to SG-1, but she couldn't do it directly. In the Arc of Truth, Morgan also helped, except she took on the image of Merlin.

If ascended Ancients could do it, then they would most likely follow the same rules, and not directly show it.

meo3000
April 16th, 2010, 10:03 PM
They interfere all the time. They just make it so people wont figure it was them.

A bunch of ascended Ancient, that have been surfing the higher plain for millions of our years, probably can create a star, and a single perfect planet to go with it, made for the human to survive on. But to redirect suspicion, they put a huge obelisk there that shoots light toward space once a month, add some bizarre writing on it.

Like in the episode, some thought it was aliens, some thought it was God. But no one mentioned the Ancients. Its not interference if the people dont know it is.

The_Asgard_live
April 16th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Some assumptions in this thread...

Do the ancients control the ascended plane?

Are they the only race ever to get there? If not, and there are other species who reached that level on their own, do the ancients impose their doctrine of non-interference on everyone?

There could be splinter groups of the original non-ascended ancients out there exploring. The Altarans might not be the only ones that left the original home world.

There could be splinter groups of the milky way non-ascendeds...

I would find it hard to believe that every member of a species over periods of millions of years, and distances the size of the universe would be bound by and follow the same doctrines.

wingsabre
April 16th, 2010, 10:25 PM
Theoretically, you don't have to create a planet, you could technically teleport it. Same with the sun. The race that created it could very well have teleported it there. Either that or it was some screwed up Arcturus project that sent something through a rip in space. IDK, i'm just glad this was not a casino planet.

DigiFluid
April 16th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Again, ascended beings can create planets from nothing. Re-watch the end of 6.22 "Full Circle".

Shpinxinator
April 16th, 2010, 10:27 PM
Again, ascended beings can create planets from nothing. Re-watch the end of 6.22 "Full Circle".

That's a little bit of an assumption...it was never made clear in the episode if the whole planet was distoryed or just the surfice of it

Pharaoh Atem
April 16th, 2010, 10:28 PM
That's a little bit of an assumption...it was never made clear in the episode if the whole planet was distoryed or just the surfice of it

surface IMO

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 10:29 PM
Again, ascended beings can create planets from nothing. Re-watch the end of 6.22 "Full Circle".

The Stargate was destroyed not the planet

DigiFluid
April 16th, 2010, 10:32 PM
The Stargate was destroyed not the planet
There was no way the superweapon would only destroy Stargates. There'd be no point, it could be done with standard weapons. Besides that, even if it were only the gate destroyed, that causes an explosion the size of Colorado (stated in "Redemption", I believe). And, assuming that explosion wasn't magnified by the superweapon (unlikely), an explosion that big would damage a planet beyond ever being habitable again.

Thus the point remains: ascended beings can create both a functioning Stargate and a livable planet from nothing.

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 10:35 PM
There was no way the superweapon would only destroy Stargates. There'd be no point, it could be done with standard weapons. Besides that, even if it were only the gate destroyed, that causes an explosion the size of Colorado (stated in "Redemption", I believe). And, assuming that explosion wasn't magnified by the superweapon (unlikely), an explosion that big would damage a planet beyond ever being habitable again.

Thus the point remains: ascended beings can create both a functioning Stargate and a livable planet from nothing.

But the fact remains the planet was still intact. Making a planet inhabitable and making a whole planet are very different

J-Whitt Remastered
April 17th, 2010, 06:16 AM
... i'm just glad this was not a casino planet.

I don't get that reference. Care to explain?

MattSilver 3k
April 17th, 2010, 06:18 AM
I don't get that reference. Care to explain?

Original Battlestar Galactica. Moments after the Cylons attacked the 12 Colonies (Which was very serious), they went off to the Casino Planet (Which was less serious and more campy fun!)! And that whacky male Starbuck got into trouble, no doubt!

BurningIce
April 17th, 2010, 06:45 AM
.....investigating the 9 chevron address they caught the attention of the Ancients.
......I think an Ancient went through the gate with them and has been watching them and possible has given them a way out.
There's definitely precedent in Stargate stories for that to happen. I actually hope it happens myself, but the writers reveal it very slowly..... it'll make a nice reveal for any new fans of Stargate/SGU.



Actually, they can.

Re-watch the end of "Full Circle".
Better yet, watch all the episodes that also lead up to it. Made Of Win.

Werewolfhero
April 17th, 2010, 07:36 AM
Okay what if the anicents didnt "create" the planet, but "moved" it? :3

Mike.
April 17th, 2010, 07:58 AM
Okay what if the anicents didnt "create" the planet, but "moved" it? :3

Perfectly possible. Either teleport it or make supergates the size of the planet - they were the original gate builders after all. For the sun it would be even easier - just transport leftover hydrogen from anywhere and let it sit in the same place for a few million years.

Kaiphantom
April 17th, 2010, 09:48 AM
It wouldn't be interference for the ancients to create this planet. If I make something off here in the corner where no one is, and then leave it, I haven't interfered at all. If you show up later and make use of it, that's yoru choice. I'm not going to help you or stop you, because I won't interfere.

The way I look at it: It's bending the rules without breaking them. Helping the Destiny restock food and water, maybe because they feel a bit guilty over creating the Destiny project and having humans get stuck there through no fault of their own. Plus, perhaps they are curious now about Destiny's journey, and want to observe where the humans go with it.

garhkal
April 17th, 2010, 11:07 AM
but after 15 years and the amamzing things we've done you can't tell me we haven't earned just a tiny amount of respect from the ancients. i refused to believe that all of them just ignore what's happen in the past 2 series and now the accident that got the crew to the destiny. i think we've earned just a small favor from them and maybe this planet was it.

Plus who's to say a lone ancient all this way out would even be noticed by the others if he or she DID do something like create a planet and star?


And for that same reason, is why the ancients will never interfere and solve or improve our situation. If the ancients really wanted to help, as someone else mentioned, they should of just boosted the power reserves on the ship, allowing the Destiny crew to get home, or close to it (maybe they could of dialed to Pegasus or something).

And why would the ancients do that? WHo is to say they DON'T want us to stay on the destiny and go through all that we are doing? Remember they were the ones who were supposed to have gone there, to follow the seeder ships, but they ascended so did not do that. Maybe they see keeping/letting us stay there as the next best thing.


Like in the episode, some thought it was aliens, some thought it was God. But no one mentioned the Ancients. Its not interference if the people dont know it is.

Very true. And with what we have seen them do with their tech, i can easily see them creating a planet and sun for us.


Perfectly possible. Either teleport it or make supergates the size of the planet - they were the original gate builders after all. For the sun it would be even easier - just transport leftover hydrogen from anywhere and let it sit in the same place for a few million years.

True dat. Also weren't the Aschen capable of making a sun? So the tech level is not that out there to consider the ancients capable of reaching it/.


The way I look at it: It's bending the rules without breaking them. Helping the Destiny restock food and water, maybe because they feel a bit guilty over creating the Destiny project and having humans get stuck there through no fault of their own. Plus, perhaps they are curious now about Destiny's journey, and want to observe where the humans go with it.

Precicely. They know that we are a curious bunch, and are there where they can't. SO this is their way to give us a little help without us thinking of them.

Halzman
April 17th, 2010, 12:54 PM
It's amazing to me to see how many people really believe that the ascended ancients would help the crew on the Destiny.

A quote from The SG-1 Episode - 'Threads'


OMA: They're not going to talk to you.

JACKSON (straightening up to face her): Why not? Who are they?

OMA: Others. You're not one of them yet.

JACKSON: You mean Ancients.

OMA: A couple of them.

JACKSON: What are they doing here?

OMA: Watching.

JACKSON: Me.

OMA: Me too. I told you before -- they're always watching. (She hands him the jug of syrup.) You wanted some motor oil?


Now, during this scene, Dr. Jackson is stuck in some sort of half-way point between the human plane of existence and the ascended plane. We also learn that only a few of the people in the half way point are Ancients, the rest being other ascended beings.

Now, the guy Jim, who we learn is Anubis, lays out the number 1 rule pretty simply:


JIM: Rule Number One! No lone ascended being shall help a lower ascend. "Lowers" are what we call humans and such. If you deserve to be here, you should be able to get here on your own. If there's an exception -- for whatever reason -- a majority vote by the collective can get you in, but Oma thinks she knows better -- and she's taken her licks for it. Now I admit, for the most part, she's brought good people on board but, as the old saying goes, nobody's perfect -- not even us higher beings.

Now, the Ancients didn't interfere with Anubis because he was only targeting one galaxy, something he could of done if he was a regular goa'uld - "Basically, the Others use their collective powers to keep him from affecting anything on a grand, cosmic level."

What all this dialogue basically sets up is that whether you are 100% sure that helping out is the right thing to do, you cant because its impossible to determine what it's going to affect. Think of a galaxy as a clock; a machine with gears that work in harmonics - if you break one gear, you affect the entire machine. The ascended beings will only interefere if enough 'clocks' are interconnected (cosmic level)

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The Alteran's weren't willing to stop the Ori; they chose to ignore a threat and left, taking a peaceful route.

The Atlantian's chose to abandon Pegasus when they felt they could never win the war against the Wraith.

Both of these incidents had long lasting effects, which eventually affected us, and we had to clean up the mess in the end. Did we get help from some ascended beings? Sure we did, but each and everytime, there actions to help us cost them there ascension.

Oma is stuck in eternal battle with Anubis
Orlin is stuck as a child with a mental condition of some sort
Morgan is stuck in eternal battle with Adria
Merlin is dead

And I should note, that in all of the incidents where we eventually had an ascended being help, we had already shown how committed we are to solving the problem; the ascended beings only provided a 'nudge', which would of been useless is we didn't already put in our dues.

Why would the Ancients feel sorry for us for getting stuck on Destiny? They didn't bother to visit the ship - although the timeline inconsistencies make this hard to debate, however, I feel that destiny is several hundred million years old, in which case, the ancients had plenty of time to go. We chose to investigate the 9th chevron; we chose to set up an expedtion; Rush chose to dial the 9th chevron to evade death, when we didn't even know where it led too. Everyone is on that ship because they signed up to be a part of the Stargate program, and because of Rush's decision, period.

We are on our own on this one. Even if an ascended being did put the planet there for us, if would of been there last act as an ascended being, and a bunch of people stuck on a ship that they cant control, is hardly going to affect 'cosmic level' stuff.

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I'll probably get flamed or something for this last part, but given the episode 'Faith' is about God and religion I'll say it anyways.

I personally don't believe in religion and God as he is portrayed in the bible's. I do however believe in a God of some sorts - the collective consciousness of the entire universe. The universe is a organized, balanced structure, that can be effected by a great deal of things. But just as it can be affected by things, it can also enact repairs to re-balance itself - this point is what makes the universe conscious to some level - but it doesn't go around and fix every little problem that it runs into, only those the affect a much larger scale.

If our sun tomorrow had a CME large enough to whipe out all life on the planet, and we all died, the universe would be no better or worse. Now, if you started blowing up galaxies and messing around with orbits or whatnot, you may cause some serious damage.

In my opinion, to wrap this up, I think the writers hit the nail on the head with this quote from SG Atlantis - Season 04 - Epsiode 08 - 'The Seer'


CARTER: Knowing how events play out, you haven't been able to change the future or avoid it?

DAVOS: I'm afraid not.

CARTER: What about the culling on your planet?

DAVOS: I did not see a culling, merely the Wraith ships arriving, and that is exactly what happened. Doctor McKay's vision happened as he saw it, but his interpretation was incorrect.

CARTER (grimacing): Pretty hard to misinterpret what I saw.

DAVOS: I make no judgements, but I do know it will come to pass.

CARTER: It's hard for me to accept that. You're telling me that the future is pre-determined but I have always believed that the future is what you make it.

DAVOS: Perhaps both are true. Perhaps the future is pre-determined by the character of those who shape it. One thing has been clear to me from the moment I set foot in this city: the galaxy is at a crossroads. Never before have I sensed that the future of so many worlds can turn on the actions of so few.

koroush47
April 17th, 2010, 01:40 PM
It is probably just a new race that will be introduced later.

tainor
April 17th, 2010, 01:56 PM
Some assumptions in this thread...

Do the ancients control the ascended plane?

Are they the only race ever to get there? If not, and there are other species who reached that level on their own, do the ancients impose their doctrine of non-interference on everyone?

There could be splinter groups of the original non-ascended ancients out there exploring. The Altarans might not be the only ones that left the original home world.

There could be splinter groups of the milky way non-ascendeds...

I would find it hard to believe that every member of a species over periods of millions of years, and distances the size of the universe would be bound by and follow the same doctrines.

Oma Desala has said that there are other types of ascended beings, as when Daniel asked her in the dinner if all the OTHERS were Ancient, she said SOME. This indicates that there are other races out there that have learned to ascended BEFORE and AFTER the Alterans. So it is perfectly plausible for a race in the region of the Universe to have learned how to ascend if they were advanced enough.

OR maybe they represent what the Lanteans would have evolved in terms of technology if they never fought the Wraith and had developed their technology further, the Asurans were stuck with the same technology with no advancement for 10,000 so they showed exactly what technology the Lanteans had and how their society was structured 10,000 yrs ago.

No matter what this race is whether Ascended or Corporal, they have shown the most impressive form of technology ever seen on Stargate franchise, out-doing even the Alterans/Lanteans/Ancients.

jsonitsac
April 17th, 2010, 02:01 PM
They only temporarily created Abydos, just enough for Skaara to say good bye to the Tau'ri. That said, I wonder if Caine is a Tau'ri or an Ancient (along the lines of Orlin). He seems to have an unattached background, a "widower," and was talking very philosophically about the planet. On top of that he was the most vocal about staying there, and genuinely believed that somebody would come to rescue them. Perhaps, when the Tau'ri began investigating Icraus the Ancients sent him there just in case.

koroush47
April 17th, 2010, 02:04 PM
There is no proof what so ever and ancients aren't that nice.

jsonitsac
April 17th, 2010, 02:06 PM
That's why I'm wondering if Caine was an Ancient. And the Ancients aren't "that nice" what about Oma, Orlin, Merlin, or Morgan?

Lord Hurin
April 17th, 2010, 02:09 PM
Again, ascended beings can create planets from nothing. Re-watch the end of 6.22 "Full Circle".

Interesting... I just took for gospel what Rush et al were saying in the episode. I haven't seen a lot of the later SG-1 eps more than once :s

Mike.
April 17th, 2010, 02:14 PM
That's why I'm wondering if Caine was an Ancient. And the Ancients aren't "that nice" what about Oma, Orlin, Merlin, or Morgan?

Exceptions that prove the rule. And they got punished for it. Oma is in an eternal battle with Anubis, Morgan with Adria, Merlin is dead, Orlin is stuck as a child and lost all his memories, Chaya (aka Athar) got exiled to a single planet.

The_Asgard_live
April 17th, 2010, 02:36 PM
It's amazing to me to see how many people really believe that the ascended ancients would help the crew on the Destiny.

Well... the problem is trying to figure out how clever the writers are. The planet seemed perfectly human compatible. Was that just a plot device without any thought? The vegetation tasted good and had medicinal plants for humans. In a show that is supposed to be more "real", what are the odds of that randomly happening in a galaxy that far away from human evolution? It suggests maybe someone that knew about ancients/humans had something to do with it. On the other hand, why would Ascended Ancients need a obelisk with what seems like a warning beacon...

And, its never really been established what the ascended plane is. The Ori ascended, it doesn't appear that they had to live by the rules of the Ancients, not in their own galaxy, not with their own "lowers"? There could be Ancients (ascended or otherwise) at work here, just not the ones we are familiar with. I'm not necessarily hoping for it to be Ancients, I think the whole kill the asgard and bring them back as their dumber evil cousins wasn't all that great. If this is a different tribe of the Ancients, I hope they do it right this time.


We are on our own on this one. Even if an ascended being did put the planet there for us, if would of been there last act as an ascended being, and a bunch of people stuck on a ship that they cant control, is hardly going to affect 'cosmic level' stuff.

Again, this would imply that the Milky Way Ancients control the whole Ascended plane of existence for the entire known universe. The existence of the Ori suggests that is not so. Their doctrine applied to their domain, but was it ever established it applied to the entire universe?

The_Asgard_live
April 17th, 2010, 02:50 PM
Oma Desala has said that there are other types of ascended beings, as when Daniel asked her in the dinner if all the OTHERS were Ancient, she said SOME. This indicates that there are other races out there that have learned to ascended BEFORE and AFTER the Alterans.

Interesting. I never thought of it that way before. Given the context of the conversation, I had thought that it meant some ancient, some humans (like the Atlantis humans that ascended), and others that people like Oma had helped. Never really took it to mean other species...


No matter what this race is whether Ascended or Corporal, they have shown the most impressive form of technology ever seen on Stargate franchise, out-doing even the Alterans/Lanteans/Ancients.

Other than from the episodes dialog (its obvious the writers wanted us to get this impression), why do you say so? I mean, yeah, creating a star and planet is impressive? But in terms of amazing things that have been done on these shows, why is that feat so much more advanced than anything else we've seen?

Phenom
April 17th, 2010, 11:19 PM
The planet and sun may have just been moved. I reckon even SG1 could move a planet if the need came.

J-Whitt Remastered
April 18th, 2010, 07:18 AM
Original Battlestar Galactica. Moments after the Cylons attacked the 12 Colonies (Which was very serious), they went off to the Casino Planet (Which was less serious and more campy fun!)! And that whacky male Starbuck got into trouble, no doubt!

Oh ok. I've only seen bits and pieces of an episode here and there. And enough of an episode of Galactica 1980 to get completely bored out of my skull.

thekillman
April 18th, 2010, 07:26 AM
what if this galaxy has ascended who are more....subtle in their interference policy.


like, giving them an opportunity which the crew has to accept or turn down through their own free will. essentially, they can get help, but they do have to actually accept it.

jds1982
April 18th, 2010, 07:28 AM
Other than from the episodes dialog (its obvious the writers wanted us to get this impression), why do you say so? I mean, yeah, creating a star and planet is impressive? But in terms of amazing things that have been done on these shows, why is that feat so much more advanced than anything else we've seen?

Given what we've seen other races do, it's not really that technologically impressive, it is however logistically impressive.

thekillman
April 18th, 2010, 07:33 AM
why is that feat so much more advanced than anything else we've seen?

because nobody actually DID it.


two supergates would work better actually than two normal gates. so the ori could easily do it.

garhkal
April 18th, 2010, 01:16 PM
Exceptions that prove the rule. And they got punished for it. Oma is in an eternal battle with Anubis, Morgan with Adria, Merlin is dead, Orlin is stuck as a child and lost all his memories, Chaya (aka Athar) got exiled to a single planet.

And who's to say the one who made this planet is not exiled there but is hiding her/himself away from us.


what if this galaxy has ascended who are more....subtle in their interference policy.

That is where i am trying to go. There are more ascended folk than just ancients. Who's to say it was not oen of them who did this to help us out.