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Infinite-Possibilities
April 9th, 2010, 01:35 PM
When Eli was talking about the communication from the other ship Young and Scott said "They answered in English?" "How the hell is that possible?!"

That may be a reasonable thing to say in such a situation, but in the context of the Stargate shows it seems silly because it draws attention to the fact that everyone else, that shouldn't be able to, can speak perfect English.

I know the show is supposed to be more realistic but it kinda draws attention to the franchise's bigger logic flaws. One that is probably best to just accept with suspension of disbelief and move on. No explanation could ever provide a reason for such an absurd aspect of SG-1 and SG-A but it's just an unavoidable part of them. I believe it's better not to think about that aspect too much. The irony is the scene probably wouldn't have drawn any notice if hey hadn't drawn attention to it by mentioning it. In fact, "humanoid aliens from 12 bazillion light-years away communicating English through text even though they've probably never seen humans before", is no more and perhaps even less ridiculous than "other humans beings from say, 40 light-years away speaking perfect English for generations having never even heard of Earth before, for an example."

If you've never heard of Earth before other than possibly the name in the vaguest of legends, then it doesn't matter if you live 1 or 5 million lightyears away, it makes no sense to speak the language of a one small percentage of it's populace.

It's kind of creating a bit of a continuity issue that Eli, Scott and Young noticed this rather unbelievable fact of alien contact, but nobody else in the entire universe seemed to despite the fact that they encountered it virtually everywhere int he universe they went ever. Unless they're going with the idea that SGU is a somehow reboot or something and the other shows never actually happened.

carmencatalina
April 9th, 2010, 01:49 PM
I think we have to accept the fact that SGU exists in a slightly different "universe" than SG1 and SGA.

OR - did we ever get a "babble-fish" like explanation in the earlier series?

Pharaoh Atem
April 9th, 2010, 01:49 PM
the smurf's did have rush and it was stated that his mind was probed. the aliens learned english that way

carmencatalina
April 9th, 2010, 01:50 PM
the smurf's did have rush and it was stated that his mind was probed. the smurs could have learned english that way

I don't think the point is that it is unbelievable that the blue aliens used English (as you say, they probed Rush's mind) - the point is that all the other aliens we've met have spoken English without explanation.

Infinite-Possibilities
April 9th, 2010, 01:52 PM
That's a logical explanation but the point I was making was why where they surprised that people they've never met can speak the same language as them when that the case essentially everywhere else in the universe too.

P-90_177
April 9th, 2010, 01:53 PM
I think the line was possibly an intentional mick take of the other shows....to be honest I don't blame them either. Yeah the whole thing of every alien species speaking English is stupid and it's the writers own fault, but then again it's just another one of those things the fans pick up on again and again so this was the writers poking fun at the fact.

Specter177
April 9th, 2010, 01:55 PM
I believe that one of the producers said that traveling through the stargate injected you with translator microbes or some such. He may have said it in jest, but it's as good a theory as any. The reason we never heard the aliens speak English (as all our main characters have traveled through the gate) may be because they are so biologically different, their speech isn't picked up as language. But, like I said, it's only a theory.

Pharaoh Atem
April 9th, 2010, 02:00 PM
besides it was just one word. the aliens didn't exactly speak it.

Morganrone93
April 9th, 2010, 02:22 PM
To me its kinda obvious that the aliens probed most of Rush knowledge, and one of these things was the "human" language, they cant speak it, but they can probably translate it, there was a theory in another thread, where the "Surrender" might even could been a faulty translation, the aliens might ment something else, like "Stand down" or anything!

or it was just a joke by the writers.

Pharaoh Atem
April 9th, 2010, 02:28 PM
To me its kinda obvious that the aliens probed most of Rush knowledge, and one of these things was the "human" language, they cant speak it, but they can probably translate it, there was a theory in another thread, where the "Surrender" might even could been a faulty translation, the aliens might ment something else, like "Stand down" or anything!

or it was just a joke by the writers.

or the aliens were saying Hello and just really messed it up

Replicator Todd
April 9th, 2010, 02:31 PM
I honestly don't mind and like the fact the aliens in SG1/SGA speak English, to me it can make somewhat of logical sense. But since Destiny is so far from both the MW and PG galaxies I think its ok for Eli to be surprised at the aliens speaking english.

Morganrone93
April 9th, 2010, 02:49 PM
or the aliens were saying Hello and just really messed it up

You can wonder what Eli's message was translated for them :O

Eli's original message:-Hello, we are peaceful human's from planet earth, we mean no harm.

Commander Zelix
April 9th, 2010, 03:10 PM
Pretty soon all crew members of the Destiny will receive memory engrams with all languages of that region of space and beyond by a old space faring race called "The Collectors". All done in exchange for the knowledge of some earth languages or something. Problem solved. Nice and clean.

janus4ever
April 9th, 2010, 04:07 PM
Todd Rocks again

GoodSmeagol
April 9th, 2010, 04:42 PM
I remember reading an interview with one of the producers way back maybe 10 years ago now.
Something like
"We decided that the show would be way to boring if the team had to translate a new language every time they went through the gate, so we made the decision to make them all speak English to leave more time for actual show time..."

Now as I understood Universe, they got rid of that lil snafoo, and they are unable to talk or translate the blue smurfs language. When Young was in the alien body, he was not able to talk to Rush, making me believe their voice boxes worked differently...
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my 2 cents...

escyos
April 9th, 2010, 05:23 PM
so what your saying is you want to waste time each episode by having them learn and translate all the time...or maybe just have subtitles every episodes....

GoodSmeagol
April 9th, 2010, 05:37 PM
Me?
I could care less what language they speak so long as I know what they be saying...
And would not have watched it if it was damn subtitles, I think they chose a good course to take.
Cept the Abydos guys had to learn to speak English uhmmm lol

s09119
April 9th, 2010, 05:42 PM
"English" was spread around the Milky Way and Pegasus by the Ancients, that's why everyone spoke it in the other show. Since the Ancients were never seeding life in the galaxy the Destiny is currently in, the aliens needed a human subject to extract the language from.

Infinite-Possibilities
April 9th, 2010, 06:35 PM
so what your saying is you want to waste time each episode by having them learn and translate all the time...or maybe just have subtitles every episodes....

Are you talking to me? Where in my post did I say that? What I said was that people should just accept it and move on without dwellng on how preposterous it is. Having Scott and Eli mention it in a serious scene just draws attention to an obvious by necessary plothole in the shows.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 10th, 2010, 07:30 AM
I don't think the point is that it is unbelievable that the blue aliens used English (as you say, they probed Rush's mind) - the point is that all the other aliens we've met have spoken English without explanation.
, and...

I think the line was possibly an intentional mick take of the other shows....to be honest I don't blame them either. Yeah the whole thing of every alien species speaking English is stupid and it's the writers own fault, but then again it's just another one of those things the fans pick up on again and again so this was the writers poking fun at the fact.
I can't blame them for doing that either; it always seems off to me (and clearly not just me) when lo and behold, they all speak English! I'm pleased that sgu is making that distinction


besides it was just one word. the aliens didn't exactly speak it.

nope, a word on a screen and I think the word was given up by Rush

Mike.
April 10th, 2010, 03:03 PM
"English" was spread around the Milky Way and Pegasus by the Ancients, that's why everyone spoke it in the other show. Since the Ancients were never seeding life in the galaxy the Destiny is currently in, the aliens needed a human subject to extract the language from.

Which is really funny because the perfect English all the "aliens" speak isn't older than a hundred years, and Ancient was supposed to be similar to medieval Latin with a different writing system. :)

aretood2
April 10th, 2010, 04:38 PM
When Eli was talking about the communication from the other ship Young and Scott said "They answered in English?" "How the hell is that possible?!"

That may be a reasonable thing to say in such a situation, but in the context of the Stargate shows it seems silly because it draws attention to the fact that everyone else, that shouldn't be able to, can speak perfect English.

I know the show is supposed to be more realistic but it kinda draws attention to the franchise's bigger logic flaws. One that is probably best to just accept with suspension of disbelief and move on. No explanation could ever provide a reason for such an absurd aspect of SG-1 and SG-A but it's just an unavoidable part of them. I believe it's better not to think about that aspect too much. The irony is the scene probably wouldn't have drawn any notice if hey hadn't drawn attention to it by mentioning it. In fact, "humanoid aliens from 12 bazillion light-years away communicating English through text even though they've probably never seen humans before", is no more and perhaps even less ridiculous than "other humans beings from say, 40 light-years away speaking perfect English for generations having never even heard of Earth before, for an example."

If you've never heard of Earth before other than possibly the name in the vaguest of legends, then it doesn't matter if you live 1 or 5 million lightyears away, it makes no sense to speak the language of a one small percentage of it's populace.

It's kind of creating a bit of a continuity issue that Eli, Scott and Young noticed this rather unbelievable fact of alien contact, but nobody else in the entire universe seemed to despite the fact that they encountered it virtually everywhere int he universe they went ever. Unless they're going with the idea that SGU is a somehow reboot or something and the other shows never actually happened.

To be honest, I think everyone takes the whole thing too literally. On screen we have to see them speak English, think about Willing Suspension of Disbelief. But in reality within the SGverse every world speaks a none English language, be it native, Goa'uld, Asgard language, Ancient, and so on.

It is just conveniently ignored for plot. However since SGU has the luxury of not meeting so many aliens, they don't have to use that convenience. Thus off screen reality meets on screen reality....am I making any sense?

The Destiny
April 11th, 2010, 09:44 AM
If only they had introduced some explanation for the english-mystery in one of the first SG-1 seasons, then we wouldn't have had this problem.

"a galaxy wide brain virus, no more harmfull that a mild flue, but will remain in the brains and ( semi-selectively ) help in subconsious translation of alien languages. This virus reproduces and the languages it knows are genetically transferred to the reproduced virusses, spreading the ability to translate subconsiously to humanoids throughout our own, the pegasus and the ori galaxy."

Something like that :)

Let's just assume that every (alien) language eventually evolves into modern day english. Apparently modern english is the perfect language and the final destination of every evolving language :D

Having the main characters of a show learn an alien language every single time they go to a planet will get really old really fast. People are already nagging certain scenes could be cut down, and more time should be devoted to other scenes etc. , imagine if 5 - 10 minutes of every show was used for learning the language and half the dialogue went like "kshi kata Oz, kata.... erhm..."what's the word for 'wizard' again?"

Personally I just accept the fact that most aliens in pegasus, ori galaxy, Ida and the milky way speak english but they don't in galaxies beyond.

Mike.
April 11th, 2010, 10:20 AM
"a galaxy wide brain virus, no more harmfull that a mild flue, but will remain in the brains and ( semi-selectively ) help in subconsious translation of alien languages. This virus reproduces and the languages it knows are genetically transferred to the reproduced virusses, spreading the ability to translate subconsiously to humanoids throughout our own, the pegasus and the ori galaxy."

Farscape did that - translator microbes. Great show :)

Infinite-Possibilities
April 11th, 2010, 10:37 PM
Yeah, I thought Farscape had one of the best explanations for the language barrier in sci-fi. Except for the fact that they weren't able to be consistent with it.

hisg1fans
April 12th, 2010, 11:00 AM
Maybe Rush was conscious and complicit. He could have read and sent the message back himself. We know he's lied about stuff before. Maybe Rush wants the Destiny and convinced to aliens to help him. So, the aliens let Rush trick Young and the others into thinking he was "captured", when in fact, he was in cahoots with the aliens all along and still is.

***cue twilight zone music****

Mike.
April 12th, 2010, 01:35 PM
Yeah, if the aliens were going to study Rush why implant a long range tracking device ? It's clear that they intended to return him at some point to keep tabs on Destiny. He could have been in on the whole plan.

The Destiny
April 13th, 2010, 06:42 AM
Or safety measure, just in case.

Or it really was their plan, and they intended to return him to destiny eventually because they feared their other transmitter would be destroyed, and maybe Rush actually escaped before they planned to return him.

J-Whitt Remastered
April 18th, 2010, 01:22 PM
When Eli was talking about the communication from the other ship Young and Scott said "They answered in English?" "How the hell is that possible?!"

That may be a reasonable thing to say in such a situation, but in the context of the Stargate shows it seems silly because it draws attention to the fact that everyone else, that shouldn't be able to, can speak perfect English.

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It's kind of creating a bit of a continuity issue that Eli, Scott and Young noticed this rather unbelievable fact of alien contact, but nobody else in the entire universe seemed to despite the fact that they encountered it virtually everywhere int he universe they went ever. Unless they're going with the idea that SGU is a somehow reboot or something and the other shows never actually happened.

How many alien cultures have either Eil or Scott seen? Eli was abducted from Earth and was sent immediately to Icarus and Scott said he wasn't part of the SGC long before he was sent there also. So why is it so unbelievable that they would expect aliens to speak something other than English? I've watched Stargate since it came to Sci-Fi and if an alien were to be standing in front of me and spoke to me in English I'd be crapping my pants. Especially if it was EXTREMELY obvious that it was an alien. Very few things scream, "ALIEN!" like a spaceship dropping out of FTL and saying, "Surrender."

Infinite-Possibilities
April 18th, 2010, 06:57 PM
How many alien cultures have either Eil or Scott seen? Eli was abducted from Earth and was sent immediately to Icarus and Scott said he wasn't part of the SGC long before he was sent there also. So why is it so unbelievable that they would expect aliens to speak something other than English? I've watched Stargate since it came to Sci-Fi and if an alien were to be standing in front of me and spoke to me in English I'd be crapping my pants. Especially if it was EXTREMELY obvious that it was an alien. Very few things scream, "ALIEN!" like a spaceship dropping out of FTL and saying, "Surrender."

You misunderstood me. Realistically, ANYONE who seriously thinks about the possibility of encountering alien civilizations should be shock if they spoke in perfect English. My point is the fact that he noticed it any nobody else in the the universe (namely SG-1 or the Atlantis Expedition) did, draws attention to the fact that Stargate has a hilariously unrealistic depiction of alien languages. It kind of would have been better if they hadn't mentioned it and just rolled with it.

J-Whitt Remastered
April 20th, 2010, 05:51 PM
You misunderstood me. Realistically, ANYONE who seriously thinks about the possibility of encountering alien civilizations should be shock if they spoke in perfect English. My point is the fact that he noticed it any nobody else in the the universe (namely SG-1 or the Atlantis Expedition) did, draws attention to the fact that Stargate has a hilariously unrealistic depiction of alien languages. It kind of would have been better if they hadn't mentioned it and just rolled with it.

I understood perfectly. Just because we never heard Jack or Shepherd say, "Hey, Sam(Rodney), WTF is up with all the aliens speaking English?" Doesn't mean it didn't happen. With SGU we're following these characters that for all we know have never been anywhere off world other than Icarus. No one on SG-1 mentioned that the Asgard didn't wear pants. Then Shepherd mentioned it. Just because no one mentioned it before doesn't mean someone else can't mention it. Yes, it brings attention to the other times it wasn't referenced, but if you were made to stop and say, "Hey! That draws attention to the fact that this is a TV show with a limited amount of time and money each week! Why are these guys special that they can't speak English?" then I doubt you were really enjoying the show to begin with. Obviously I don't know that for sure, but if I'm seeing stuff like that I'm not completely absorbed in the show.

*end rambling message*

Infinite-Possibilities
April 21st, 2010, 03:15 PM
The difference is, the Asgard not wearing pants is hardly a shockingly preposterous notion. If a "Roswell Grey type alien" appeared in front of them, I'd imagine most people first response would not be "Why isn't he wearing pants." It's not exactly an unanswerable question. But if you went to another galaxy and the natives everywhere spoke the language of one people of one planet 3 Million light-years away in another galaxy that they could not have even imagined existed, then the question of "How is that possible?" seems pretty important. If you're going to imagine that such an important question happened off screen, then it probably follows that there is an answer to it.

If you just ignore it and roll with it then it becomes less of an issue. Because you can basically just move on with the story and you don't have to worry about whether or not the characters were perplexed by the blatantly obvious impossibility constantly staring them in the face pretty much every single place they go.

In SGU, explicitly bringing it up means they aren't ignoring it. Which means you do have to wonder how come nobody noticed it.

As for if I'm enjoying the show. Well sort of, yes. What difference does it make, even if I was enjoying more than anything else, it that doesn't mean I am unable to notice if something somewhat jarring happens.

E.D.E.N.
April 25th, 2010, 05:43 PM
The Ancients seeded the Milky Way and Pegasus with gates and people. With that said, it is easily believable that all these different planets have inhabitants who use the same or similar languages, both written and spoken, and even as dialects changed, a stargate is effectively like walking through the door, and since for so long the Ancients were dominant on gateholding worlds in both galaxies, the dialects can easily catch on, on multiple worlds.

For all of you that are complaining about ALL aliens speaking English, think of the Gadmeer, remember them? They had no similarities to humans in any way whatsoever(except for being bipedal). We sometimes forget there are still possibly thousands of worlds in our galaxy alone with no stargate. Not alot of chance you find human inhabitants on those worlds unless they went there to hide, like the Enkarrans or the Reole( the Reole are also quite different from humans).

I am curious though, the Altairans spoke english in the beginning of Ark of Truth, it's like a 5 minute segment, why could'nt they make up a spoken language and shove in subtitles for a more authentic presentation of the "Original" Altairans from that galaxy, just a thought.