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April 1st, 2010, 08:58 AM
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Rush uses the neural interface chair to try and access <I>Destiny</I>'s systems, causing him to recall the events which led to his recruitment into the Stargate program.

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General Jumper One
April 23rd, 2010, 07:01 PM
Weird episode. Michael Shanks was great in this episode, I haven't seen him since the Air, and then it was only in the tutorial videos. Riley is back!!! :) Did I see a dinosaur in the preview for the next episode?

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 07:03 PM
Great Episode! Loved seeing Daniel Jackson again despite the whole its not real thing. Loved the alien planet, and loved the idea of Chloe, Greer, Eli, and Scott on a team. Chloe is cooler than ever!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 23rd, 2010, 07:05 PM
this was a very good episode.

General Jumper One
April 23rd, 2010, 07:05 PM
Chloe was really good in the episode and really contributed to for once.

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 07:06 PM
While I thought it was great to learn more about Rush, I thought it was a fairly weak episode. You could have skipped it and really missed nothing. Very disappointing after the incredible installment that was "Faith."

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 07:06 PM
While I thought it was great to learn more about Rush, I thought it was a fairly weak episode. You could have skipped it and really missed nothing. Very disappointing after the incredible installment that was "Faith."

:p I'm the opposite, I enjoyed this and though Faith was weak.

striker7770
April 23rd, 2010, 07:08 PM
are you kidding, faith was some stupid little episode that really didnt anything.

this is my type of episode, rush centered, and a psychological thriller, all into one. I really loved this

Saquist
April 23rd, 2010, 07:08 PM
:p I'm the opposite, I enjoyed this and though Faith was weak.

I think they've both been weak so ar.

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 07:09 PM
:p I'm the opposite, I enjoyed this and though Faith was weak.

Really? I thought "Faith" was an incredibly thought-provoking hour of TV, but this was rather dull IMO. And the B plot, while interesting to start, quickly became a little pointless to me.

Briangate78
April 23rd, 2010, 07:09 PM
Only one word can sum up this episode..

Brilliant!

jelgate
April 23rd, 2010, 07:10 PM
While I thought it was great to learn more about Rush, I thought it was a fairly weak episode. You could have skipped it and really missed nothing. Very disappointing after the incredible installment that was "Faith."

I think the break in the access code and Scott, Eli. Greer, and Chloe in that cave was highly significant.

General Jumper One
April 23rd, 2010, 07:11 PM
Chloe, Eli, Scott, and Greer being left behind isn't an episode to be skipped, if you did in the next one you wouldn't know what happened to them or how they got there. Plus I didn't expect the chair to let Rush go.

Specter177
April 23rd, 2010, 07:12 PM
Yea, you skip it and next week you say, "What? When did they get the code and what happened to Greer, Scott, Eli, and Chloe!?"

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 07:12 PM
Really? I thought "Faith" was an incredibly thought-provoking hour of TV, but this was rather dull IMO. And the B plot, while interesting to start, quickly became a little pointless to me.

Well, I liked Faith, especially since it dealt alot with TJ, but I really enjoyed seeing Rush's past and Chloe going all.....Daniel Jackson? Alot more than most of Faith.

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 07:13 PM
I think the break in the access code and Scott, Eli. Greer, and Chloe in that cave was highly significant.

The access code thing was a little contrived for me, though, and that ruined it. The 46 thing came out of nowhere; there were no clues dropped along the way to help us figure it out at all, so it came off as very plot device-y. Granted, I'm interested in seeing how the foursome gets back to the ship, but I was hoping that their being trapped was part of the dream. I wanted to see him wake up with what they needed and realizing that Chloe, Eli, Greer, and Scott had never gone offworld, proving that it was just a mental gauntlet the database was putting him through as a safeguard for the command code.

EDIT: Also, you could just watch the recap next week and find out those two plot points and not have missed much.

prion
April 23rd, 2010, 07:14 PM
It was an odd episode, although strangely appealing. Sort of one big therapy session for Rush, with the B story of the young'uns getting trapped in the hideous Spider Cave from Hell ;)

OMG, is that, yes, Rush's wife is alive and well on MIAMI MEDICAL!

General Jumper One
April 23rd, 2010, 07:15 PM
Greer claustrophobic? Giant Spider was totally awesome!

Briangate78
April 23rd, 2010, 07:17 PM
I had high hopes for this episode and it delivered for me. We got to see Rush's past, and well after you see what he went through, you know why he is bitter, and well that bitterness might be slowly going away with a purpose to get these people home. Rush's wife in his mind says to not take it out on them. Some really powerful moments that really give you a handle on Rush.

I loved how they used the character background drama to feed the plot at hand. I was also shocked that Chloe,Scott,Greet, and Eli got left behind. I love how the show is still sticking with the exploration roots. Also, this episode felt very much like SG-1's "The Changeling" when Daniel is in Teal'c dream trying to help Teal'c survive. So an excellent homage to that and other classic Stargate mentions.

The producers said that anyone could start watching SGU. I disagree. Eps like this would get someone lost if they did not understand past Stargate history and events.

So to sum this episode up, it was one of the better ones after a not so great one before. A solid A from me. Cannot wait to see how they return and rescue the team stranded.

A or 9/10!

Kaiphantom
April 23rd, 2010, 07:18 PM
EDIT: Also, you could just watch the recap next week and find out those two plot points and not have missed much.

That's rather disingenuous, and you know it. That can be said of most episodes, ESPECIALLY Faith. Seriously, you can go into this episode not having watched Faith, and you'd miss nothing.

Saquist
April 23rd, 2010, 07:19 PM
Only one word can sum up this episode..

Brilliant!

I was thinking...anti-climatic.

I don't get it. What do you guys see in this episode?
Nothing happens. Did you see how easily they got Rush back in at the mid season...it wasn't THAT long ago.
To me this wasn't suspenseful. It was...vaaaguely interesting only because I've been following the show but If I had walked off the street turned on the telly and saw this...I would have immediately turned to channel 154 on Dishnetwork and watched the NFL draft.

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 07:19 PM
That's rather disingenuous, and you know it. That can be said of most episodes, ESPECIALLY Faith. Seriously, you can go into this episode not having watched Faith, and you'd miss nothing.

Except for TJ's pregnancy.

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 07:21 PM
That's rather disingenuous, and you know it. That can be said of most episodes, ESPECIALLY Faith. Seriously, you can go into this episode not having watched Faith, and you'd miss nothing.

I disagree, but opinions are opinions. Anyway, this was the first episode of the series I just didn't like the first time through, so I'm going to give it another go once it's on Hulu and see if I change my mind. I had some friends over while it was on so maybe if I devote all my attention to it, I'll see more I like.

Briangate78
April 23rd, 2010, 07:22 PM
Gotta agree about "Faith". It truly was just a stand alone ep that really had little if any information to progress the story. We could of found out about T.J. in any episode .

Faith will alway be just episode 113 to me, but it could be worse it could of been as bad as "Life". :p

chrono trigger
April 23rd, 2010, 07:25 PM
Gotta agree about "Faith". It truly was just a stand alone ep that really had little if any information to progress the story. We could of found out about T.J. in any episode .

Faith will alway be just episode 113 to me, but it could be worse it could of been as bad as "Life". :p

nothing can be as bad as life

jelgate
April 23rd, 2010, 07:27 PM
Gotta agree about "Faith". It truly was just a stand alone ep that really had little if any information to progress the story. We could of found out about T.J. in any episode .

Faith will alway be just episode 113 to me, but it could be worse it could of been as bad as "Life". :p
Epically awesome that develops into the psychie of Scott and Wray?

Kaiphantom
April 23rd, 2010, 07:28 PM
Except for TJ's pregnancy.

Per S09119's post, "you could watch the recap of almost any following episode and find out that one plot point."

Saquist
April 23rd, 2010, 07:29 PM
Per S09119's post, "you could watch the recap of almost any following episode and find out that one plot point."

The only thing the episodes really have in common is the stalling to get to the conclusion.

FoX-1028
April 23rd, 2010, 07:29 PM
Yay! 2 parter! cant wait for Lost!! its Friday 30 yet?

The_Asgard_live
April 23rd, 2010, 07:44 PM
Okay so... this is the first episode that I can attach the word "liked".

The good.

- Crying I can believe in.
- Drama I can believe in (mostly)
- Daniel
- In my opinion, a proper melding of sci-fi to explore the "human condition" crap we're supposed to need.

The Bad

- 2 most brilliant people on the ship, one currently incapacitated, might never recover, might die, and you let the other off ship for sight seeing? No.

- Chloe. Wants to be a Daniel and starts spouting smart sounding things? Please. The spider web? Ughh. Its like Paris Hilton has hitched a ride on this ship. Why did they do this to this character. Subtract her, the episode would be just about perfect, for the type of episode it was supposed to be.

- Music was good at first, got a little annoying.

- The humor still doesn't do it for me. The Greer/Eli scene was over the top.

Briangate78
April 23rd, 2010, 07:44 PM
Epically awesome that develops into the psychie of Scott and Wray?

The problem is, I am not that interested in those characters, not even Chloe. I am actually even looking forward to Greer's past because he is an interesting character to me. Sorry to say, but to me Chloe and Scott are the weakest links in the show. Wray is good, but she does not stand on her own like the other character do.

jsonitsac
April 23rd, 2010, 07:53 PM
I really liked this episode, a lot. It reminded me of SG-1's "The Changeling," especially Daniel's role. Hopefully, we'll see a reformed Rush, more accepting of his wife's passing, and over all a nicer guy. The off-ship scenes were pretty cool, and did anybody else get a Shepard/McKay or Jack/Daniel vibe with Eli and Scott? Still, one could make some parallels to the SG-1 team with those four, only its leader isn't sure of himself as Jack, the woman isn't anywhere near as amazing as Carter, Eli isn't as competent or confidant as Daniel, and Greer is more bad a$$ than Teal'c.

any_gopher
April 23rd, 2010, 08:02 PM
Did anyone else notice when "Dr. Jackson" said to Rush that their contact in the Lucian Alliance provided them with the location of the Icarus-type planet? Seems like there is more to the Icarus Project than we are currently aware of.

Fridgefiend
April 23rd, 2010, 08:04 PM
Did anyone else notice when "Dr. Jackson" said to Rush that their contact in the Lucian Alliance provided them with the location of the Icarus-type planet? Seems like there is more to the Icarus Project than we are currently aware of.

Which seems odd to me considering how surprised they were when they got attacked.

jelgate
April 23rd, 2010, 08:09 PM
Which seems odd to me considering how surprised they were when they got attacked.

It was a spy withing the Lucian Alliance. Probably a little insight into why the Lucian Alliance attacked and how they found out about it in the first place.

Fridgefiend
April 23rd, 2010, 08:10 PM
It was a spy withing the Lucian Alliance. Probably a little insight into why the Lucian Alliance attacked and how they found out about it in the first place.

That's why i find it odd that they were so surprised they got attacked. You would think they'd have been watching for something like this considering where they got the intel on the planet.

Rykel
April 23rd, 2010, 08:14 PM
The Icarus base was pretty well fortified (Turrents and shields) so it's not like they weren't expecting no one to attack ever. It was just that they were not expecting it right at that moment so in a sense they were and weren't surprised by the attack.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 23rd, 2010, 08:17 PM
wow!

Rush: I wanted to really belt Rush with a big heavy book, right upside the head. Okay, so it's a dream state but still! I love that it's his wife's impending death, and that weird defective gene that isn't repairing things rightanyone else thinking robot? the Super Roomba From Outer Space! comes when he finally comes face to face with what he's been avoiding - that he WASN'T there when it happened. I also liked knowing that he wasn't always what he is now, and that his wife didn't like what he's become. Considering its all him, all Rush, it's interesting that Rush (through Jackson) is mentioning contacts in the Lucian Alliance. One thing that really stood out for me though was how he sees Eli. I hadn't considered that Rush would consider himself Salieri to Eli's Mozart. It makes me wonder what Eli's mind would do with that chair. It also makes the whole music theme kind of neat :)

Onward...
Young: I believe Young really cared about Rush's fate in that chair. He's have pulled him out if he safely could, I think, but there was just no certainty about it. Young's "son" to Scott, taken after last episode where he calls him Matthew really choked me up a little.

Chloe and Eli: I loved their conversation when they were trying to convince Young to let her go. Nerd moment indeed! I do like that she's been reading up on stuff, making herself more valuable. The spider, gah! That was scary but it was phony having to phone that in, that the girl got scared by a spider.

Greer: I really didn't see that coming, that fear. And yet, he sucked it up and went down there with him, despite his fear and despite saying he would stay up top.

The scene with them walking across the field was just iconic Stargate for me :)

Anyway, way more brain burning excitement from me, and I haven't even read any other posts here, but I can't wait to hear what everyone else thinks!

jelgate
April 23rd, 2010, 08:20 PM
That's why i find it odd that they were so surprised they got attacked. You would think they'd have been watching for something like this considering where they got the intel on the planet.
Space is quite vast. You have to imagine the possibility of them finding Tauri in a unpopulated planet in the galaxy. Its something like 1 in a billion

timebandit
April 23rd, 2010, 08:27 PM
that spider was hUUge ....

I dunno why but I love it when rush yells "GET OUT!"

....awesomeness....

Daro
April 23rd, 2010, 08:34 PM
I too was very upset with Rush, even though I know that he was dreaming. I realize he wasn't that detatched in the real events of Gloria's death, but he was to some extent. What he said about his wife dying, and how he got into the Stargate program, and how Eli invalidated all the suffering he'd gone through by solving the problem easily and quickly is very revealing. I pitied Rush a lot in this episode, especially toward the end. But not a fraction as much as I pity his wife. I like it that he's imagining what she would say to him about what he's become. It gives some hope for him to become more 'human' from this point out.

As for the side story of Chloe, Scott, Eli, and Greer, I wasn't very interested in it. I could see exactly what was going to happen, and that we had a two-parter on our hands. I did like the part where Eli jokes with Greer about being scared, and Greer overreacts. I like the brief flashbacks. I am not nearly as interested in his history as I am Rush's, or Young's, but still. It'll be good to find out, hopefully, in episodes to come.

I was a little shocked about the spy in the Lucian Alliance. No wonder Icarus base was attacked; after all, it sort of seems like SGC might have stolen it right from under their noses. Another hint of moral shades of grey to come.

Great episode, can't wait until next week's. :)

_SocraticMethod
April 23rd, 2010, 08:34 PM
Hmmmm, this episode was pretty good. I won't say I *loved* it (it was a bit disappointing coming after a brilliant episode like "Faith"...), but I certainly enjoyed it. (Then again, for me all of "Justice" through "Faith" were GOLD, so it is tough for this ep to measure up.)

Someone probably mentioned this already, but the Rush/Daniel scenes really reminded me of "Changeling" from SG-1. Daniel was there for Jack too, in "Abyss"... he's just perfect for that sort of thing, isn't he?

I'm very glad that we got to see a human side to Rush; I think the line about him having "died" with his wife was extremely important. I certainly saw him as predominantly an antagonist so far, but now I'm rather ambivalent on this. To me, this makes Rush a more interesting character.

Okay, did anyone else find it improbable that Young would send Scott, Greer, Eli and Chloe down as an 'away team'? No objection to sending them in particular, just to not sending anyone else. I mean, especially with the signs of civilization present, one would think that Young would send a couple seasoned scientists down with them.

Speaking of Chloe, I am still waiting for something more out of her. She still feels like the wallpaper/damsel-in-distress. Honestly, the spider web scene was ridiculous. While she did make a valid point about advanced cultures 'feigning' primitiveness, I think her prospects as quasi-anthropologist are dubious at best. To me, this would strain credulity, so I hope that's not the plan.

Now then, I have a question about the C4 - how much did they use?! That was a bloody big chunk of earth that caved in!! Maybe the vis-effects were deceiving, but the area of the collapse looked massive!

Finally, I loved the slight shift in the Rush/Young dynamic last week; this week we seemed to return to what we had before. Frankly, this old dynamic is a tired one. It's stale. I'm not saying I want to see Rush and Young hob-knobbing over chess and sweet potatoes (:P), but I enjoyed the subtle changes and I'd like to see more than:
Young: What are you doing, Rush?
Rush: Finding the answer to everything.
Young: How soon will you have the answer?
Rush: Do you have any idea how complicated this is, Colonel?

Oh, one last thing... the little tid-bit about the Lucian Alliance was great! I'm glad that got brought back in from the pilot, and I'm definitely looking forward to finding out more about that side of the story.

Those are just a few of my thoughts on "Human"... pretty middle-of-the-road episode for me. Not outstanding, but not unpleasant, either.

jelgate
April 23rd, 2010, 08:40 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents
Human was and is a Rush episode. So as you might imagine I hated the episode. I kid of course. Human gave us what Stargate Universe is really good at. Massive characterization mixed in with action. And with the big question mark of who is Dr. Rush this was refreshing. I feel like I learned a lot about this character this week. And while I am no closer to sympathizing with Rush then I was a few weeks I am closer to understanding why he does what he does. But I am getting ahead of myself once again. Lets a enter a most dangerous place. I am of course talking about Rush’s subconscious.

If I wasn’t a spoiler man the opening teaser would have confused. They made the opening scene quite confusing because they showed Rush on Earth. But like the rest of the episode the beginning teaser points to what I think is a very important aspect we must consider about Rush. His own wife was dying and he buried himself in his work instead of being with the woman he married. Surely that is significant in to who Rush is. All those personal problems and he chooses to do work instead of being with his wife as she died. At first I thought it was just him reliving past events through dreams but when we learn that Rush is aware that this is just a retelling of his wife’s death it made me wonder was he just ignoring because he knew it wasn’t real. Then I think maybe both are true. Given what we know about Rush I can imagine that the first time Gloria died he did bury himself in his work to grieve. It makes sense really. He wouldn’t the first person to find a “hobby” as he grieves. But t the same time since Rush is complicit of the fantasy aspect he distance himself more then the original time. Because in reality of the present nothing is more important to Rush then breaking the code of the Destiny.

Let’s switch gears to reality. And by reality I mean the Destiny. Don’t worry you won’t hear what I had for breakfast. But I liked the opening scene with Eli and Chloe. Like I said in the Faith review I wanted to see Eli and Scott be on tough terms with Chloe given her “betrayal” in Divided. We saw that in Faith with Scott but those two had months to get on speaking terms. Eli did not have that luxury. So I really like how cold Eli is too Chloe. He is still friends with her but they defiantly not on the best speaking terms. Very interesting in my view. Speaking of Chloe I wonder how truthful that is she has been studying archeology notes. It defiantly would make her seem more useful but at the same time it looked like she was throwing words into there.

I admit I am having a hard time reviewing Rush’s hallucination since most of him is isolating himself in his work as Gloria dies. And as I have mentioned that above it seems pointless to continue mentioning my thoughts about Rush obsessing over his work as he watches Gloria die. So it seems wise next to mention Rush in the lecture hall with Daniel. And let me just say if a professor yelled at me like that for no reason I probably would have filled a complaint with the dean. Anyway the scene where Rush admits that Eli is smarter then him points to a few things. Well first it shows the limit to Rush’s arrogance but more importantly I think it points to guilt. Just look how Rush phrases unlocking the 9th chevron while his wife is dying. I think Rush generally guilty that he isolated himself from Gloria when she was dying. And not because he was unable to solve it but because of the pain he caused her on her deathbed. Not to mention how he was unable to spend the last hours with his loved one because he was so overshadowed by emotion. I think what happened to Gloria is a huge impact into why Rush is the sociopath we know in the present.

Now back to the ruins planet. I find it really hard to swallow that Eli lost the KINO. Yes I understand that it’s a maze down there but you would think those things left a flight plan or something. It’s just a little hard to digest as a reason to go down into the ruins. Speaking of the ruins I am rather curious what closed spaces have to make Greer so scared. It shall be an interesting dynamic to explore. Again speaking of Greer I love how he calmly tells Chloe to stop moving when he shoots the spider. It’s like he knows how it going down. But that most be some weak structure to cause a section of the ruins to collapse. Yes I know it was needed for the plot of the story but it was somewhat hard to swallow.

Young sending a rescue to team to rescue Scott’s team was predictable but I’ll excuse it since its standard military procedure. But that must have been one big cave in to have James and her team work for an hour and have to resort to C4. It was obvious that C4 was already not going to work given how weak the structure was in the first place. I am more then a little surprised that Scott didn’t say anything or the structure didn’t come crashing down. They might not be dating/sleeping anymore but you I think you can see caring between James and Scott when he ordered her to return to the gate. I can see sadness in both of them when the order was given. I thought it was a really good moment.

To Rush and his 46 observations, First of all I woke up the neighbors when I laughed at Daniel’s 42 joke. Second I quite liked how cryptic it was. We knew it had to be significant to the Destiny’s code but at the same time given how the code had stumped Rush I kind of think should have been cryptic for a little longer. But more on that later. Its time to talk about Gloria’s dying speech or more specifically Rush’s speech to himself. I am talking in particular how Gloria talks about how sadden she is that Rush has done some of the things he has done to get where is now in the present. That speaks to me that as this is Rush’s subconscious we are talking about. It shows that deep down even when Rush is doing those borderline immoral actions that deep down he knows its wrong That and many other things in this episode speak to me about Rush. While it doesn’t excuse his actions it makes me understand them a little bit more.

And now this review comes to an end. And it’s kind of bittersweet. On one end I like the part of Scott’s time being left behind and seeing how said event will unfold in Lost. On the other hand I am disappointed that the 46 clue in relation to DNA was discovered so quickly. It leaves a sore taste in the mouth that we were able to find to figure it out the clue. Yes given the size of DNA (and its big) it will take a long time to figure out the master code I was just disappointed that Rush found it out so easily

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 23rd, 2010, 08:43 PM
...............
To Rush and his 46 observations, First of all I woke up the neighbors when I laughed at Daniel’s 42 joke. Second I quite liked how cryptic it was......................
LOL! I'm really glad I'm not the only one that cackled like a crazy lady at that!

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 08:47 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents
Human was and is a Rush episode. So as you might imagine I hated the episode. I kid of course. Human gave us what Stargate Universe is really good at. Massive characterization mixed in with action. And with the big question mark of who is Dr. Rush this was refreshing. I feel like I learned a lot about this character this week. And while I am no closer to sympathizing with Rush then I was a few weeks I am closer to understanding why he does what he does. But I am getting ahead of myself once again. Lets a enter a most dangerous place. I am of course talking about Rush’s subconscious.

If I wasn’t a spoiler man the opening teaser would have confused. They made the opening scene quite confusing because they showed Rush on Earth. But like the rest of the episode the beginning teaser points to what I think is a very important aspect we must consider about Rush. His own wife was dying and he buried himself in his work instead of being with the woman he married. Surely that is significant in to who Rush is. All those personal problems and he chooses to do work instead of being with his wife as she died. At first I thought it was just him reliving past events through dreams but when we learn that Rush is aware that this is just a retelling of his wife’s death it made me wonder was he just ignoring because he knew it wasn’t real. Then I think maybe both are true. Given what we know about Rush I can imagine that the first time Gloria died he did bury himself in his work to grieve. It makes sense really. He wouldn’t the first person to find a “hobby” as he grieves. But t the same time since Rush is complicit of the fantasy aspect he distance himself more then the original time. Because in reality of the present nothing is more important to Rush then breaking the code of the Destiny.

Let’s switch gears to reality. And by reality I mean the Destiny. Don’t worry you won’t hear what I had for breakfast. But I liked the opening scene with Eli and Chloe. Like I said in the Faith review I wanted to see Eli and Scott be on tough terms with Chloe given her “betrayal” in Divided. We saw that in Faith with Scott but those two had months to get on speaking terms. Eli did not have that luxury. So I really like how cold Eli is too Chloe. He is still friends with her but they defiantly not on the best speaking terms. Very interesting in my view. Speaking of Chloe I wonder how truthful that is she has been studying archeology notes. It defiantly would make her seem more useful but at the same time it looked like she was throwing words into there.

I admit I am having a hard time reviewing Rush’s hallucination since most of him is isolating himself in his work as Gloria dies. And as I have mentioned that above it seems pointless to continue mentioning my thoughts about Rush obsessing over his work as he watches Gloria die. So it seems wise next to mention Rush in the lecture hall with Daniel. And let me just say if a professor yelled at me like that for no reason I probably would have filled a complaint with the dean. Anyway the scene where Rush admits that Eli is smarter then him points to a few things. Well first it shows the limit to Rush’s arrogance but more importantly I think it points to guilt. Just look how Rush phrases unlocking the 9th chevron while his wife is dying. I think Rush generally guilty that he isolated himself from Gloria when she was dying. And not because he was unable to solve it but because of the pain he caused her on her deathbed. Not to mention how he was unable to spend the last hours with his loved one because he was so overshadowed by emotion. I think what happened to Gloria is a huge impact into why Rush is the sociopath we know in the present.

Now back to the ruins planet. I find it really hard to swallow that Eli lost the KINO. Yes I understand that it’s a maze down there but you would think those things left a flight plan or something. It’s just a little hard to digest as a reason to go down into the ruins. Speaking of the ruins I am rather curious what closed spaces have to make Greer so scared. It shall be an interesting dynamic to explore. Again speaking of Greer I love how he calmly tells Chloe to stop moving when he shoots the spider. It’s like he knows how it going down. But that most be some weak structure to cause a section of the ruins to collapse. Yes I know it was needed for the plot of the story but it was somewhat hard to swallow.

Young sending a rescue to team to rescue Scott’s team was predictable but I’ll excuse it since its standard military procedure. But that must have been one big cave in to have James and her team work for an hour and have to resort to C4. It was obvious that C4 was already not going to work given how weak the structure was in the first place. I am more then a little surprised that Scott didn’t say anything or the structure didn’t come crashing down. They might not be dating/sleeping anymore but you I think you can see caring between James and Scott when he ordered her to return to the gate. I can see sadness in both of them when the order was given. I thought it was a really good moment.

To Rush and his 46 observations, First of all I woke up the neighbors when I laughed at Daniel’s 42 joke. Second I quite liked how cryptic it was. We knew it had to be significant to the Destiny’s code but at the same time given how the code had stumped Rush I kind of think should have been cryptic for a little longer. But more on that later. Its time to talk about Gloria’s dying speech or more specifically Rush’s speech to himself. I am talking in particular how Gloria talks about how sadden she is that Rush has done some of the things he has done to get where is now in the present. That speaks to me that as this is Rush’s subconscious we are talking about. It shows that deep down even when Rush is doing those borderline immoral actions that deep down he knows its wrong That and many other things in this episode speak to me about Rush. While it doesn’t excuse his actions it makes me understand them a little bit more.

And now this review comes to an end. And it’s kind of bittersweet. On one end I like the part of Scott’s time being left behind and seeing how said event will unfold in Lost. On the other hand I am disappointed that the 46 clue in relation to DNA was discovered so quickly. It leaves a sore taste in the mouth that we were able to find to figure it out the clue. Yes given the size of DNA (and its big) it will take a long time to figure out the master code I was just disappointed that Rush found it out so easily

The DNA clue seemed really forced, to be honest. Like they couldn't think of a better way to connect the mystery part to the answer, so they just through the answer in. I mean, "Why 46?" and Daniel immediately going "Well 46 divided by 2 is 23! And that's the 23 enigma!" Come on, no one would ever instantly make that connection.

Anyway, I like your point about the manufactured reason to go into the caves, since it bothered me, too. In "Divided," Eli reveals that the kino records its flight plan, accurately enough that he can feed the track into a shuttle and have it automatically trace the path.

Lastly, you need to remember that none of Rush's interactions with Gloria/Daniel/the class actually happened as we saw them. This was a warped view of reality because Rush was changing things with his focus on solving the command code problem.

jelgate
April 23rd, 2010, 08:52 PM
The DNA clue seemed really forced, to be honest. Like they couldn't think of a better way to connect the mystery part to the answer, so they just through the answer in. I mean, "Why 46?" and Daniel immediately going "Well 46 divided by 2 is 23! And that's the 23 enigma!" Come on, no one would ever instantly make that connection.
You have to remember we are in Rush's subconscious. I think it has been shown he has a wide variety interests. I can buy it since this is Rush's mind. But outside the link to human chromosomes and DNA was too easy


Lastly, you need to remember that none of Rush's interactions with Gloria/Daniel/the class actually happened as we saw them. This was a warped view of reality because Rush was changing things with his focus on solving the command code problem.

I know its different but based on what Rush admitted in that episode it has to have a reasonable simlairity to what really happened the time Gloria really died.

Daro
April 23rd, 2010, 08:54 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents
Human was and is a Rush episode. So as you might imagine I hated the episode. I kid of course. Human gave us what Stargate Universe is really good at. Massive characterization mixed in with action. And with the big question mark of who is Dr. Rush this was refreshing. I feel like I learned a lot about this character this week. And while I am no closer to sympathizing with Rush then I was a few weeks I am closer to understanding why he does what he does. But I am getting ahead of myself once again. Lets a enter a most dangerous place. I am of course talking about Rush’s subconscious.

If I wasn’t a spoiler man the opening teaser would have confused. They made the opening scene quite confusing because they showed Rush on Earth. But like the rest of the episode the beginning teaser points to what I think is a very important aspect we must consider about Rush. His own wife was dying and he buried himself in his work instead of being with the woman he married. Surely that is significant in to who Rush is. All those personal problems and he chooses to do work instead of being with his wife as she died. At first I thought it was just him reliving past events through dreams but when we learn that Rush is aware that this is just a retelling of his wife’s death it made me wonder was he just ignoring because he knew it wasn’t real. Then I think maybe both are true. Given what we know about Rush I can imagine that the first time Gloria died he did bury himself in his work to grieve. It makes sense really. He wouldn’t the first person to find a “hobby” as he grieves. But t the same time since Rush is complicit of the fantasy aspect he distance himself more then the original time. Because in reality of the present nothing is more important to Rush then breaking the code of the Destiny.

Let’s switch gears to reality. And by reality I mean the Destiny. Don’t worry you won’t hear what I had for breakfast. But I liked the opening scene with Eli and Chloe. Like I said in the Faith review I wanted to see Eli and Scott be on tough terms with Chloe given her “betrayal” in Divided. We saw that in Faith with Scott but those two had months to get on speaking terms. Eli did not have that luxury. So I really like how cold Eli is too Chloe. He is still friends with her but they defiantly not on the best speaking terms. Very interesting in my view. Speaking of Chloe I wonder how truthful that is she has been studying archeology notes. It defiantly would make her seem more useful but at the same time it looked like she was throwing words into there.

I admit I am having a hard time reviewing Rush’s hallucination since most of him is isolating himself in his work as Gloria dies. And as I have mentioned that above it seems pointless to continue mentioning my thoughts about Rush obsessing over his work as he watches Gloria die. So it seems wise next to mention Rush in the lecture hall with Daniel. And let me just say if a professor yelled at me like that for no reason I probably would have filled a complaint with the dean. Anyway the scene where Rush admits that Eli is smarter then him points to a few things. Well first it shows the limit to Rush’s arrogance but more importantly I think it points to guilt. Just look how Rush phrases unlocking the 9th chevron while his wife is dying. I think Rush generally guilty that he isolated himself from Gloria when she was dying. And not because he was unable to solve it but because of the pain he caused her on her deathbed. Not to mention how he was unable to spend the last hours with his loved one because he was so overshadowed by emotion. I think what happened to Gloria is a huge impact into why Rush is the sociopath we know in the present.

Now back to the ruins planet. I find it really hard to swallow that Eli lost the KINO. Yes I understand that it’s a maze down there but you would think those things left a flight plan or something. It’s just a little hard to digest as a reason to go down into the ruins. Speaking of the ruins I am rather curious what closed spaces have to make Greer so scared. It shall be an interesting dynamic to explore. Again speaking of Greer I love how he calmly tells Chloe to stop moving when he shoots the spider. It’s like he knows how it going down. But that most be some weak structure to cause a section of the ruins to collapse. Yes I know it was needed for the plot of the story but it was somewhat hard to swallow.

Young sending a rescue to team to rescue Scott’s team was predictable but I’ll excuse it since its standard military procedure. But that must have been one big cave in to have James and her team work for an hour and have to resort to C4. It was obvious that C4 was already not going to work given how weak the structure was in the first place. I am more then a little surprised that Scott didn’t say anything or the structure didn’t come crashing down. They might not be dating/sleeping anymore but you I think you can see caring between James and Scott when he ordered her to return to the gate. I can see sadness in both of them when the order was given. I thought it was a really good moment.

To Rush and his 46 observations, First of all I woke up the neighbors when I laughed at Daniel’s 42 joke. Second I quite liked how cryptic it was. We knew it had to be significant to the Destiny’s code but at the same time given how the code had stumped Rush I kind of think should have been cryptic for a little longer. But more on that later. Its time to talk about Gloria’s dying speech or more specifically Rush’s speech to himself. I am talking in particular how Gloria talks about how sadden she is that Rush has done some of the things he has done to get where is now in the present. That speaks to me that as this is Rush’s subconscious we are talking about. It shows that deep down even when Rush is doing those borderline immoral actions that deep down he knows its wrong That and many other things in this episode speak to me about Rush. While it doesn’t excuse his actions it makes me understand them a little bit more.

And now this review comes to an end. And it’s kind of bittersweet. On one end I like the part of Scott’s time being left behind and seeing how said event will unfold in Lost. On the other hand I am disappointed that the 46 clue in relation to DNA was discovered so quickly. It leaves a sore taste in the mouth that we were able to find to figure it out the clue. Yes given the size of DNA (and its big) it will take a long time to figure out the master code I was just disappointed that Rush found it out so easily

This is amazing. I agree with you totally (except about the use of the word sociopath and the DNA thing: I think Gloria's mention of her mother's faulty DNA is what unlocked the meaning of 46 for Rush.)

I've never agreed with you so much. Rush's backstory horrified me, and it didn't do anything to excuse his borderline behavior, but it does at least establish that he does have a conscience deep down there, and maybe he'll start using it now.

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 08:57 PM
You have to remember we are in Rush's subconscious. I think it has been shown he has a wide variety interests. I can buy it since this is Rush's mind. But outside the link to human chromosomes and DNA was too easy

Ehhhh, I don't know. It still seemed way too convenient that his mind instantly went to that conclusion.


I know its different but based on what Rush admitted in that episode it has to have a reasonable simlairity to what really happened the time Gloria really died.

Yeah, that's true.

gatechick
April 23rd, 2010, 08:59 PM
You know I initially hated SGU. I thought it was boring and missed everything that I loved about what I thought Stargate should be. So I quit watching it pretty much midway through the first half. Then I thought I will give it a try since there is nothing on. Gotta say, episodes like tonite make me glad I gave it another chance. I enjoyed the back story on Rush, whom I am not crazy about. But it did make him seem "human" and made me see sides of why he may act as he does. That spider thing was crazy too! It kinda reminded of the flesh eating spider in SF-1's The Tomb, only more ferocious. I loved the whole moment between Eli and Greer. If looks could kill Greer'e eyes should be registered as a deadly weapon.

Cory Holmes
April 23rd, 2010, 09:00 PM
The one thing I really liked about this episode was how Rush knew right from the beginning that it was a figment of his imagination. In every other show where the character has an "alternate reality/you are crazy to believe in this" episode, they always force the "is it real or not" bit. Rush wasn't the slightest bit confused on that and it was refreshing.

I also enjoyed his complaints about Eli. That really brought a piece of Rush Puzzle into the clear, about why he treats Eli as he does: he's jealous. Nothing is more basic, sinister, or potentially damaging than that most simple of human emotions.

I agree that the Justice-Space-Divided-Faith arc is the gold standard for SGU (and even SGA, possibly SG-1 as well) and this didn't quite measure up to it, but it was still entertaining and some bloody good sci-fi.

jelgate
April 23rd, 2010, 09:01 PM
This is amazing. I agree with you totally (except about the use of the word sociopath and the DNA thing: I think Gloria's mention of her mother's faulty DNA is what unlocked the meaning of 46 for Rush.)
Thats an interesting idea. I just thought of how cancer is sometimes related to faulty genes and moved on from there. Its an interesting idea and if that was the connectiion Rush had to think the code has to do with DNA I would have liked a better link.


I've never agreed with you so much. Rush's backstory horrified me, and it didn't do anything to excuse his borderline behavior, but it does at least establish that he does have a conscience deep down there, and maybe he'll start using it now.
No one every agrees with me 100%. Its probably why my blood pressure is raised. I definatly agree with this though. It might not have been the most interesting but his backstory tells us how Rush thinks

Daro
April 23rd, 2010, 09:01 PM
You know I initially hated SGU. I thought it was boring and missed everything that I loved about what I thought Stargate should be. So I quit watching it pretty much midway through the first half. Then I thought I will give it a try since there is nothing on. Gotta say, episodes like tonite make me glad I gave it another chance. I enjoyed the back story on Rush, whom I am not crazy about. But it did make him seem "human" and made me see sides of why he may act as he does. That spider thing was crazy too! It kinda reminded of the flesh eating spider in SF-1's The Tomb, only more ferocious. I loved the whole moment between Eli and Greer. If looks could kill Greer'e eyes should be registered as a deadly weapon.

Indeed. That was one of those scary moments where I think Greer shouldn't have a gun on him. But then, he doesn't need one. ;)

Saquist
April 23rd, 2010, 09:02 PM
The DNA clue seemed really forced, to be honest. Like they couldn't think of a better way to connect the mystery part to the answer, so they just through the answer in. I mean, "Why 46?" and Daniel immediately going "Well 46 divided by 2 is 23! And that's the 23 enigma!" Come on, no one would ever instantly make that connection.

Anyway, I like your point about the manufactured reason to go into the caves, since it bothered me, too. In "Divided," Eli reveals that the kino records its flight plan, accurately enough that he can feed the track into a shuttle and have it automatically trace the path.

Lastly, you need to remember that none of Rush's interactions with Gloria/Daniel/the class actually happened as we saw them. This was a warped view of reality because Rush was changing things with his focus on solving the command code problem.

I agree...It's really forced.
They couldve set up the mystery of the ships controls in the other episodes...

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 09:09 PM
Brilliant! Brilliant! Brilliant! this is the best first season of any televison show i've ever watched.

46 is the new 42 :D

some great chaeacter moments :) eli and greer moment on the planet is easily the funniest moment in stargate history for me. ( and yes i've seen all the prevous tv series and movies.)

overall i loved rush and now we know why he is so cold to everyone and hopefully he'll change a bit.

Commander Zelix
April 23rd, 2010, 09:13 PM
Weird episode. Michael Shanks was great in this episode, I haven't seen him since the Air, and then it was only in the tutorial videos. Riley is back!!! :) Did I see a dinosaur in the preview for the next episode?
Please put next episode discussion in spoiler tags. Thank you.

Krisz
April 23rd, 2010, 09:16 PM
A great episode with a lot going on. I suspected from the time that Rush looked at that photo of 'the woman' in 'Air' it was someone he'd lost. That we'd get to find out who she was and what made Rush so angry and lonely. This part of his story was wonderfully told here.

A nice surprise with Rush sitting there in the chair giving the explanation for the 'Matrix' like information light show he kept seeing during his memory trip. I liked that, no lead up and scratching heads and agonising about how they are going to go about trying the chair, Rush just got on with it.

As soon as the 46 thing started I too knew the Hitch Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy reference was not far behind! I liked the idea that Rush had read this most excellent book and/or watched the Tv show.

I could have sworn that the giant spider had the most evil grin on its 'face'! I just couldn't stop laughing when I saw it.

When they went in those passageways I was reminded me of SG-1's 'The Tomb', you just knew the monster had to be scurrying on the ceiling above someones head! Next week we find out Greer killed 'Mom!' and well, Chloe will no doubt have more than a spider web to deal with! :P I hope things are a little more original than that as our 'heroes' try to get out of their predicament. :D

Targust
April 23rd, 2010, 09:17 PM
I didn't get excited until Daniel mentioned the LA and the planet. The rest of it entered my mind as this:

angst-angst-angsty-angst-Daniel!-angst-angst-Chloe-hasn't-changed-angst-wow-I-like-Gloria-Daniel!-ruins-hole-in-ground-Greer-is-hilarious-Icarus-Planet-Lucian-Alliance-WHAT?!

Then I REALLY paid attention. The whole 46 DNA thing? A bit contrived in my opinion, especially with Rush's mind meld with the chair. All that to figure it out?

I liked the scenes with Gloria, especially the last in the hospital bed.

Daniel with the Douglas Adams reference: cute. I didn't roll my eyes like I did when Eli made the Genesis device reference last epi.

A good epi, I must say.

Commander Zelix
April 23rd, 2010, 09:21 PM
Yea, you skip it and next week you say, "What? When did they get the code and what happened to Greer, Scott, Eli, and Chloe!?"
It's like Time. We can easily fill the blank. The computer found the activation code using the DNA, faster than they thought, then they turned the ship around to get Scott and co. by digging all the rocks out. There will be a kino episode to explain it all in a semi humorous way. ;)

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 09:23 PM
While I thought it was great to learn more about Rush, I thought it was a fairly weak episode. You could have skipped it and really missed nothing. Very disappointing after the incredible installment that was "Faith."

you would have missed some awesome character moments

jelgate
April 23rd, 2010, 09:23 PM
It's like Time. We can easily fill the blank. The computer found the activation code using the DNA, faster than they thought, then they turned the ship around to get Scott and co. by digging all the rocks out. There will be a kino episode to explain it all in a semi humorous way. ;)
Lost
That seems to neglect the whole plot of Lost

sfx
April 23rd, 2010, 09:24 PM
Did anyone else notice the car in the background in the first scene when Scott and everybody were walking on the planet's surface? that really took me out of the moment

Commander Zelix
April 23rd, 2010, 09:28 PM
I loved how they used the character background drama to feed the plot at hand.
I liked it too, it was much more interesting to watch the drama while looking for clues at the same time (even if it turned out to be out there). This style remind me of the Atlantis episode where Sheppard hallucinate his MIA mission in Kowait or something.

garhkal
April 23rd, 2010, 09:30 PM
While I thought it was great to learn more about Rush, I thought it was a fairly weak episode. You could have skipped it and really missed nothing. Very disappointing after the incredible installment that was "Faith."

While i won't say it was a great disapointment, it was a little of a let down. BUT i could have done with a little less 'soapy stuff' in his flash backs.


It was an odd episode, although strangely appealing. Sort of one big therapy session for Rush, with the B story of the young'uns getting trapped in the hideous Spider Cave from Hell

I am wondering if this is going to change how rush does things, especially in his relationships..



Greer claustrophobic?


If he is that claustrophobic, why has he not acted up on the ship, or in that suit? Or when they were on Icarus?




Did anyone else notice when "Dr. Jackson" said to Rush that their contact in the Lucian Alliance provided them with the location of the Icarus-type planet? Seems like there is more to the Icarus Project than we are currently aware of.



I did note that, and was curious as to if that is why the LA attacked us, they found the contact and turned him.


Someone probably mentioned this already, but the Rush/Daniel scenes really reminded me of "Changeling" from SG-1. Daniel was there for Jack too, in "Abyss"... he's just perfect for that sort of thing, isn't he?

He does seem to get these 'shoe ins for support'. Plus he was also there for Tealc in Avatar as well.


Okay, did anyone else find it improbable that Young would send Scott, Greer, Eli and Chloe down as an 'away team'? No objection to sending them in particular, just to not sending anyone else. I mean, especially with the signs of civilization present, one would think that Young would send a couple seasoned scientists down with them.

I did find it off they only send 1 team, i would have thought they would have had 3-4 teams of four out.


Speaking of Chloe I wonder how truthful that is she has been studying archeology notes. It defiantly would make her seem more useful but at the same time it looked like she was throwing words into there.

I would like to know WHEN she was supposedly doing all this studying. It would take a few years IMO to get even to half the level Dr Jackson is...


Speaking of the ruins I am rather curious what closed spaces have to make Greer so scared. It shall be an interesting dynamic to explore.

From the slight flash back he seemed to have when he stepped down, it looked like he was a kid and was locked up somewhere.


To Rush and his 46 observations, First of all I woke up the neighbors when I laughed at Daniel’s 42 joke. Second I quite liked how cryptic it was. We knew it had to be significant to the Destiny’s code but at the same time given how the code had stumped Rush I kind of think should have been cryptic for a little longer.

I was actually hoping it was linked in someway to that 23 phenomenon Rush mentioned.


In "Divided," Eli reveals that the kino records its flight plan, accurately enough that he can feed the track into a shuttle and have it automatically trace the path.

He said nothing of the sort, only that he had programmed it's flight plan into the shuttle. Nothing about it recording it.


Lastly, you need to remember that none of Rush's interactions with Gloria/Daniel/the class actually happened as we saw them. This was a warped view of reality because Rush was changing things with his focus on solving the command code problem.

I really LOVED the little "tunnel of info vision" he had going on in several clips.


This is amazing. I agree with you totally (except about the use of the word sociopath and the DNA thing: I think Gloria's mention of her mother's faulty DNA is what unlocked the meaning of 46 for Rush.)

Very true. He did look like he 'piqued up' when she mentioned that, though was that just his subconsious kicking in?

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 09:31 PM
you would have missed some awesome character moments

They weren't really all that spectacular IMO, although I loved the Chloe development.

As of a second rewatch... I'm considering bumping it up from ** to **1/2, but that's it. Still a rather weak episode.

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 09:33 PM
He said nothing of the sort, only that he had programmed it's flight plan into the shuttle. Nothing about it recording it.

It would have had to have recorded it to be able to feed it to the shuttle.

Commander Zelix
April 23rd, 2010, 09:33 PM
Which seems odd to me considering how surprised they were when they got attacked.
Yeah.

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 09:34 PM
They weren't really all that spectacular IMO, although I loved the Chloe development.

As of a second rewatch... I'm considering bumping it up from ** to **1/2, but that's it. Still a rather weak episode.

everyone's tastes are different :). but eli and chloe acting like children to go on the mission was cute

Commander Zelix
April 23rd, 2010, 09:36 PM
Chloe is the next Daniel Jackson of the show. With her political background. It makes her an hypocritical archeologist. :)

MattSilver 3k
April 23rd, 2010, 09:36 PM
Awesome fun time super episode stuff. Somewhat repetitive when it came to the Rush scenes, but there's a little logic in my mind that says that that's what Rush is like when he's all obsess-y. Poor guy though. Wife dying, drowned in his work, becomes an ******* after her death... but the way he treated her in the lucid dream he had was just ouch. I can understand him not wanting to relive it again, but sheesh, talk about callous and all that.

Rush was the star here. Who are we kidding - he's damn near always the star, and for good reason. Robert Carlyle is fantastic in every slightest movement as Rush, and even though I can't say I support the character's various manipulations, I will say I love his complexity and now that we have his backstory, I can maybe take another look at the guy and think about what he does and for what reasons. Good stuff all around with his lucid dream. DJ's appearance was great, mainly because he made a good sounding board, but his jokes and references were fun (Sha're reference = holy ****, how many years is that now?). Gloria herself was greatly portrayed by Louise Lombard. On a shallow note, she had a very sexy accent.

Young was great, as usual. At least he's not rubbing it in anyone's face that Rush finally sat in the damn chair himself. All in the spirit of cooperation! He's unwillingness to leave Scott's team behind at the end shone through, but I'm glad he didn't do anything stupid as of yet. TJ was kinda there, though I was looking her over for telltale pregnancy signs or anything out of the ordinary to continue on from Faith. No such luck. Brody, Volker, James and RILEY were all there too, but got outscoped. Good to see Riley though. I wonder if Franklin's still comatose though - maybe they should just put him out of his damn misery already.

Scott's team was great fun. We start off with Eli and Chloe making up (In a great scene where we learn that Chloe actually values her friendship with Eli. How 'bout that), then the two of them performing a nice double act to get to the planet. Hilarity was had, and I'm glad she volunteered to come along. I rolled my eyes at her little drama with the spiderweb, but it was needed so I forced a laugh instead. Scott was fine, also there. I anticipate some big leadership stuff for him now. Greer was interestingly quiet and stoic-like. No quips. His little flashes in the cave were great, and who knew this guy could be claustrophobic? Not I.

All in all, the episode was a fine outing. Character beats were not too off for a freelancer script, and the sci-fi/exploration/mystery aspects were in full swing. I anticipate that Rush's knowing of 46 won't really help anything in the way of anything for a while, but its always nice to have a clue.

s09119
April 23rd, 2010, 09:37 PM
everyone's tastes are different :). but eli and chloe acting like children to go on the mission was cute

Agreed, though something about it was odd. Why did they all of a sudden have a dying desire to go offworld? I kept waiting for them to get there and explain, but to me it seemed like just a contrivance to have all the younger cast members stranded at once (minus TJ). But the interaction was fun to watch nevertheless.

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 09:38 PM
Chloe is the next Daniel Jackson of the show. With her political background. It makes her an hypocritical archeologist. :)

i think she was just making it up as she went.

dosed150
April 23rd, 2010, 09:43 PM
not really a fan of dream type episodes but this was actually alrite, few tiny things i noticed, the whole 46 thing seems problematic if only because to rush the 6th of april would be 6/4 not 4/6 though i guess maybe hes just been in america too long,
also their ammo supply is strictly limited so why did greer seem to empty half a magazine into that spider when he could easily have killed it with a single shot and probably have avoided the cave in

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 09:55 PM
and i loved the violin music vision data stream

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 09:58 PM
and i loved the violin music vision data stream

Of course you would mister BSG! ;)

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 09:58 PM
Of course you would mister BSG! ;)

and dont' you or anyone else on this forum forget it

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 09:59 PM
i think she was just making it up as she went.

I'm really hoping she is the Daniel Jackson of SGU! As we never really had one in SGA....although it got close.

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 09:59 PM
I'm really hoping she is the Daniel Jackson of SGU! As we never really had one in SGA....although it got close.
i can live with it.

CJ Master
April 23rd, 2010, 10:00 PM
Was really hyped for this episode, and I'm not very disappointed. A very solid episode, and does the second half of the first season proud.

One thing I particularly enjoyed is that it seems that Chloe may (finally!) have a use... a Dr. Jackson replacement. One thing that really turns me off from her character is the plain uselessness of her, and finally having a use could make her a much better character.

All in all, a good episode, and can't wait for next week. :)

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 10:01 PM
i can live with it.

But but but....archeologists are cool! Like Indiana Jones. :cool:

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 10:02 PM
But but but....archeologists are cool! Like Indiana Jones. :cool:

and Indiana chloe could pwn them all.

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 10:04 PM
and Indiana chloe could pwn them all.

Hex yeah! Well, I dunno about Danny-boy....

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 10:05 PM
Hex yeah! Well, I dunno about Danny-boy....

the real daniel could beat her. not the impostor that's been on sg since 'fallen"

Fridgefiend
April 23rd, 2010, 10:05 PM
and Indiana chloe could pwn them all.

They should definitely get her a hat.

Replicator Todd
April 23rd, 2010, 10:07 PM
They should definitely get her a hat.

And a whip.

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 10:07 PM
They should definitely get her a hat.

just tell destiny to stop at the nearest store,.

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 10:07 PM
And a whip.

scott would like that,.....

Ripple in Space
April 23rd, 2010, 10:08 PM
First episode I've watched since Jack finished out his appearances.

This was easily the strongest SGU episode I've seen. Daniel Jackson was completely underutilized, his role was similar to Jack's role during Dr. Weir's hallucination episode, even though I didn't love that ep, I felt this was an inferior rehash.

The style was artsy-fartsy, which is tolerable from great directors, but wears thin from this crew.

Overall, this episode's story was okay, but I still don't care about the characters so I really can't get on board with this series like I did with SG1 & SGA. Rush & the Col are sympathetic, but I simply don't like the younger characters. Sam & Daniel were very young themselves in the early days, but we were immediately rooting for them (that's why we got 10 seasons :) ), not to mention the older characters of Jack, Teal'c, and Hammond who were equally great.

Here the youngsters (who are older than me) are childish idiots. I know the "wrong people" line, but come on! We're supposed to believe Jack, Landry, or Hammond admitted a guy who physically attacks his superiors and lets his claustrophobia impede his missions into the Stargate Program? Come on!

I can buy Chloe, as she wasn't admitted into the Program, and I can see Jack signing off on Eli as he's apparently near Carter/McKay/Miller/Zelenka level in the intellect department. And due to Jack's personal code regarding fraternization (see: the Zatarc Incident), a guy like Scott would be on his butt out the door in two seconds.

Characters like Weir, Ford, Beckett, Jonas, Vala, Landry, and Cam were essentially B-team characters who were booted or brought in as a matter of convenience, yet I'd rather watch an episode of them going grocery shopping than even the most interesting plot regarding the crew of the Destiny.

CJ Master
April 23rd, 2010, 10:11 PM
Characters like Weir, Ford, Beckett, Jonas, Vala, Landry, and Cam were essentially B-team characters who were booted or brought in as a matter of convenience, yet I'd rather watch an episode of them going grocery shopping than even the most interesting plot regarding the crew of the Destiny.

Dem's fightin' words.

Commander Zelix
April 23rd, 2010, 10:11 PM
scott would like that,.....
Really? How do you know? :P

Fridgefiend
April 23rd, 2010, 10:11 PM
just tell destiny to stop at the nearest store,.

have Greer make it out of some animal he killed by staring it to death.

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 10:13 PM
Really? How do you know? :P

whips and sex go well together ;)

MattSilver 3k
April 23rd, 2010, 10:15 PM
Really? How do you know? :P

'Cause it's Scott. 'Nuff said. :D

Commander Zelix
April 23rd, 2010, 10:16 PM
The writers should takes note of including more grocery shopping scenes in their shows. It seems many people are looking forward to it. I don't know why, but there it is. ;)

Fridgefiend
April 23rd, 2010, 10:17 PM
The writers should takes note of including more grocery shopping scenes in their shows. It seems many people are looking forward to it. I don't know why, but there it is. ;)

A season two episode titled "Produce"

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 23rd, 2010, 10:18 PM
'Cause it's Scott. 'Nuff said. :D

Scott seems to torture himself so much already that a whip is just over the top obvious?
Heehee

any_gopher
April 23rd, 2010, 10:38 PM
Did anyone else notice that the violin solo Rush's wife was playing was the same piece of music that Rush was listening to on his iPod in the pilot when he was looking at his wife's photo (which, btw, was on the end table of Rush's and his wife's bed) and crying? As small a detail as it is, it's kind of cool to know why he was listening to that piece specifically.

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 10:39 PM
Did anyone else notice that the violin solo Rush's wife was playing was the same piece of music that Rush was listening to on his iPod in the pilot when he was looking at his wife's photo (which, btw, was on the end table of Rush's and his wife's bed) and crying? As small a detail as it is, it's kind of cool to know why he was listening to that piece specifically.

i want that song.

VOOK
April 23rd, 2010, 10:40 PM
Ending left my jaw dropped. Wow

Daro
April 23rd, 2010, 10:52 PM
Did anyone else notice that the violin solo Rush's wife was playing was the same piece of music that Rush was listening to on his iPod in the pilot when he was looking at his wife's photo (which, btw, was on the end table of Rush's and his wife's bed) and crying? As small a detail as it is, it's kind of cool to know why he was listening to that piece specifically.

I did notice, and it made me sniffle a little bit. I had hoped the piece she'd be playing would be the one in "Light," where Dr. Rush is listening to it as he thinks he is going to die. But this one is equally meaningful. It was good to see Rush cry again, good to see that he is still human. I'd like to find out what piece of music that is that we keep hearing.

Pharaoh Atem
April 23rd, 2010, 10:53 PM
Ending left my jaw dropped. Wow

but it'll be ok son.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 23rd, 2010, 11:10 PM
Here's my epic review: 4 1/2 stars. The end.


and Indiana chloe could pwn them all.

That's good.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 23rd, 2010, 11:16 PM
Did anyone else notice that the violin solo Rush's wife was playing was the same piece of music that Rush was listening to on his iPod in the pilot when he was looking at his wife's photo (which, btw, was on the end table of Rush's and his wife's bed) and crying? As small a detail as it is, it's kind of cool to know why he was listening to that piece specifically.

I was wondering about that. It's been a while since I watched Air so I didn't know for sure.

retiredat44
April 23rd, 2010, 11:36 PM
I found it stupid too to let these idiots go off and get into trouble... maybe letting go to the planet, but they really were so stupid and am so sick of Chloe being so whiney...

so far I really don't think most people would have acted the way these people do in this show.. this show just happened to have written in the characters as stupid, irrational, and bad.... most people are better than this... especially if they were chosen by the StarGate program to have gone to Icarris..

though a few got to go there by ass kissing...


a last note: I was expecting more exploring of the ship by now with some really nice new toys being found..
but, instead we got a bunch of clowns stuck on a planet..



Okay so... this is the first episode that I can attach the word "liked".
......................
The Bad

- 2 most brilliant people on the ship, one currently incapacitated, might never recover, might die, and you let the other off ship for sight seeing? No.
.......

Lahela
April 23rd, 2010, 11:46 PM
so far I really don't think most people would have acted the way these people do in this show.. this show just happened to have written in the characters as stupid, irrational, and bad.... most people are better than this... especially if they were chosen by the StarGate program to have gone to Icarris..


Those particular four people were on Icarus by happenstance - Scott and Greer were part of the military support (which, IMO, does not mean they would have to be as qualified as SG team members), Chloe was on Icarus because she was her father's aide, and Eli was on Icarus to solve a maths puzzle. They are all fish out of water. I think that's kinda the point. ;)

rimorob
April 23rd, 2010, 11:49 PM
Amazing. The last scene between Rush and Gloria was heartbreaking in just the best possible way. Robert Carlyle was fantastic. Definitely going on my favorite episodes list.

Good to see Daniel again. And I liked the alien spider. Can't wait for next week.
( Spoiler for Lost) Alien dinosaur? Awesome. This series has really stepped up to the plate with their special effects. Fantastic for a tv show.

g.o.d
April 23rd, 2010, 11:54 PM
well, it was an amazing episode, as always. The second part of this season is really amazing. I've enjoyed the last three episodes more than anything in SGU (I didn't like SPACE as much as the others might have). Actors' today's peformances were brilliant, especially Dr. Rush and his wife were absolutely amazing. Music was great as always.

I didn't quite understand what they were saying about the code in the end. I know it predates ATA, but that's all. Is it more unique than the ATA or what? :) I hope somebody explains it to me :)

Lahela
April 23rd, 2010, 11:59 PM
well, it was an amazing episode, as always. The second part of this season is really amazing. I've enjoyed the last three episodes more than anything in SGU (I didn't like SPACE as much as the others might have). Actors' today's peformances were brilliant, especially Dr. Rush and his wife were absolutely amazing. Music was great as always.

I didn't quite understand what they were saying about the code in the end. I know it predates ATA, but that's all. Is it more unique than the ATA or what? :) I hope somebody explains it to me :)

Glad you're enjoying it so much g.o.d. :D

I need to watch it again, but I think the point of it predating the genetic evolution of the Ancients is that it would make it more similar to human chromosomal make-up... but that's a guess. It also neatly removes the inconvenient need for ATA which plagued certain other plots at times. ;)

MattSilver 3k
April 24th, 2010, 12:01 AM
well, it was an amazing episode, as always. The second part of this season is really amazing. I've enjoyed the last three episodes more than anything in SGU (I didn't like SPACE as much as the others might have). Actors' today's peformances were brilliant, especially Dr. Rush and his wife were absolutely amazing. Music was great as always.

I didn't quite understand what they were saying about the code in the end. I know it predates ATA, but that's all. Is it more unique than the ATA or what? :) I hope somebody explains it to me :)

I totally agree with the Divided-Faith-Human triumvirate being awesome. Space I didn't fully love, which is a shame - we would've had a quinumvirate of Justice-Space-Divided-Faith-Human.

Oh hey, I just realised Wray wasn't in this episode at all! Kinda odd, that.

Moonunit
April 24th, 2010, 12:01 AM
are you kidding, faith was some stupid little episode that really didnt anything.

this is my type of episode, rush centered, and a psychological thriller, all into one. I really loved this

Agree. This was a better episode than "Faith". Even though it didn't deliver a lot in terms of action, the insight into Rush's character was very enlightening, not to mention the cliffhanger at the end.

pipi
April 24th, 2010, 12:17 AM
Interesting to note that Chloe's army issue pants were very skinny and sexy. Looked very tailored to me.

Khentkawes
April 24th, 2010, 01:22 AM
Absolutely fantastic episode!
I was looking forward to this episode (even more than usual) for two reasons: 1. learning more about Rush, and 2. seeing Daniel again. And although Daniel is still my favorite stargate character from all three series... I was actually more excited about seeing some of Rush's backstory.

I love twisty psychological stories that really get into the characters' heads (literally in this case). There was so much going on inside Rush's head here: his grief over his wife's death, regret over how he acted with her, how he reacts to reliving that and the revelation that he actually wanted to forget those memories, his resentment toward Eli, his desperation to crack that code and solve at least one mystery... and then, on top of all that, his struggle with his own conscience as he thinks of the person he's become since his wife's death. There's just so much material there, and it will be interesting to see how Rush continues to develop now that we know at least some of what's going on beneath the surface. And of course, Carlyle plays all of that emotion just brilliantly!

The B plot with Scott / Greer / Chloe / Eli was good too. Certainly not in the same way, but I enjoyed it. There were some funny moments (Eli and Chloe wanting to come along, Chloe's nerd moment, and Scott reporting that Greer shot a spider. :P), along with some really interesting bits like Greer's claustrophobia and James' reaction to not being able to get them out. I think I was most impressed that the writers had the guts to leave the four of them stranded. I'm so used to the deus ex machina ending that I half expected Rush to suddenly save the day. I'm glad he didn't, and I'm interested to see how these events carry over into next week. I really love the serialized style of SGU. It feels more organic and natural to me, and it's wonderful to see characters reacting to events from previous episodes each week.

On another note: I noticed this was one of the episodes by a freelance writer. For his first SG story, I'm very impressed.


I totally agree with the Divided-Faith-Human triumvirate being awesome. Space I didn't fully love, which is a shame - we would've had a quinumvirate of Justice-Space-Divided-Faith-Human.

For me, it is a quinumvirate. ;) Between the Justice-Space-Divided-Faith-Human lineup and the Air1-Air2-Air3-Darkness-Light arc... I'm going to have a heck of a time ranking my favorite episodes from this season! Although, at the moment, I think Human takes first place (with an, um, six-way tie for second).

metabog
April 24th, 2010, 02:09 AM
This episode was brilliant, like all the ones before it. Absolutely brilliant. SGU is shaping up to be at least as good if not better than SG1 and SGA, in my opinion. And for once it actually seemed like the math made some sense, they weren't just babbling random technobabble.

senilegreen
April 24th, 2010, 02:19 AM
This episode was a step up from some, perhaps because the acting quality was good.

I'm still troubled by the "magick". In this case it's the new super-duper interface to the chair device, using one of those all powerful SG standard issue laptop computers. Wow, those laptops are amazing! I'm afraid the writers have pulled this well worn prop out of the closet one too many times.

Since most of the story occurs in a lucid dreaming state (of which we are informed very early in the episode), that certain events or answers occur too easily (compared to real life) is not a concern of mine, and I don't think coming up with "46" so quickly is a big deal.

Regarding the planet - difficult to accept that there would be a non-human civilization that would build such human-like structures. Not that it is impossible, but those ruins were in what looks like a well watered area, and the fallen city is still pretty evident (structures and layouts), which means that the ruins couldn't be more than a few thousand years old. If they are that young, then where are the descendants of the builders or at least other signs of civilization?

When watching SG I tend to become somewhat analytical and critical, but I don't mean this comment to be all negative. Not at all. This episode has several things by which to commend it. First and foremost, if the purpose of this episode was to humanize Rush, a thoroughly despicable character in most episodes, then the story made a large step in that direction.

Also important is that this episode changes the direction of the SGU story-line. Up till now the story is based around these people on a ship out of their control, and thus totally subject to the whims of fate. Now a definite clue has been given to change the scene - the humans have a chance of taking control of the ship. We expect future episodes to take this up, and one day the SGA castaways will indeed take over the ship from the autopilot. If the writers refuse to do that (say before the end of the season) then I will be disappointed, and I suspect other viewers will be also.

SGFerrit
April 24th, 2010, 02:20 AM
"Say something Archeological"
"Stratification!"

:D

"Why was Sergeant Greer forced to use his weapon?"
"There was a... spider sir, it was approaching Chloe"

:D:D

PG15
April 24th, 2010, 02:41 AM
Robert Carlyle.

Amazing.

Wow.

Daro
April 24th, 2010, 02:47 AM
This episode was a step up from some, perhaps because the acting quality was good.

I'm still troubled by the "magick". In this case it's the new super-duper interface to the chair device, using one of those all powerful SG standard issue laptop computers. Wow, those laptops are amazing! I'm afraid the writers have pulled this well worn prop out of the closet one too many times.

Since most of the story occurs in a lucid dreaming state (of which we are informed very early in the episode), that certain events or answers occur too easily (compared to real life) is not a concern of mine, and I don't think coming up with "46" so quickly is a big deal.

Regarding the planet - difficult to accept that there would be a non-human civilization that would build such human-like structures. Not that it is impossible, but those ruins were in what looks like a well watered area, and the fallen city is still pretty evident (structures and layouts), which means that the ruins couldn't be more than a few thousand years old. If they are that young, then where are the descendants of the builders or at least other signs of civilization?

When watching SG I tend to become somewhat analytical and critical, but I don't mean this comment to be all negative. Not at all. This episode has several things by which to commend it. First and foremost, if the purpose of this episode was to humanize Rush, a thoroughly despicable character in most episodes, then the story made a large step in that direction.

Also important is that this episode changes the direction of the SGU story-line. Up till now the story is based around these people on a ship out of their control, and thus totally subject to the whims of fate. Now a definite clue has been given to change the scene - the humans have a chance of taking control of the ship. We expect future episodes to take this up, and one day the SGA castaways will indeed take over the ship from the autopilot. If the writers refuse to do that (say before the end of the season) then I will be disappointed, and I suspect other viewers will be also.

Heh, yeah, I was quietly calling shenannigans on the laptop too. That such a precise interface could be written that allowed Rush to choose the memories to relive (I liked it that there was a risk he'd lose them, and that he actually hoped this would happen) is a bit beyond belief. I'm sure SGC laptops are a helluva lot better than anything you can pick up commercially, full of alien technological enhancements. Still, a stretch.
I don't think Rush has been despicable up until now, as long as you didn't jump to conclusions about his motives too quickly. I think he's been guilty of sneaky and underhanded behavior, and that his moral courage certainly was lacking. However, despicable implies he's been a thorough villain, and that was never the case. Whatever his intentions, though, the callous attitude toward the lives of others must change if he is to avoid reaching a point where he can't be redeemed. I am hoping that, due to Young's 'special efforts' and the kick to Rush's previously quelled conscience, the relationship between the two characters has a chance. Honestly, I'm sick of their headbutting, it need not be removed entirely, but if this crew has any hope of survival, an accord must be reached.

shake
April 24th, 2010, 02:58 AM
i want that song.

It's J.S. Bach Partita Nr. 2 Chaconne or Ciaccona in D minor for solo violin. I don't know another piece of music that is so complete and perfect as this one.

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 24th, 2010, 03:34 AM
Well this was a cool ep and I enjoyed it more than I expected to. To be honest the whole dream/simulation thing has been done before and while I was eager to learn more about Rush I wasn't looking forward to this ep as much as others. Then came along the B plot so we had the best of both worlds, interesting characters moments with Rush with some great acting by Robert Carlyle and the actress who played his wife, and a bit of a classic off world b story, with mysterious alien planets, a bit of an alien encounter and some witty dialogue. All in all good ep, great cliffhanger and I'm really looking forward to next week.

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 03:40 AM
I think they've both been weak so ar.

Surprise!


A season two episode titled "Produce"

They've ditched the one word titles so it would have to be Produce Shopping.

retiredat44
April 24th, 2010, 04:38 AM
I have always supported Rush, so there's not much for me to say about him, and these dream sequeances, have been done on many sci-fi shows.. it was til a better episode than several others... and Daniel was under utilized... wish he could have been used with the stones,, for real...

but again, the clown crew going down to the planted torpedoed the epsisode..
only way to redeem this episode, is if it ties into a great episode next week,,

IMHO

Lahela
April 24th, 2010, 04:54 AM
I'm still gobsmacked - so many thoughts and emotions running around in my head.

I felt a bit disconnected during the ancient ruins segments, but that may just be because I was so overwhelmed during the Rush in-head segments. A re-watch is in order.

Vapor
April 24th, 2010, 05:19 AM
Good times.

I don't know if I was blown away, but it was definitely a good episode overall. Particularly because of the brilliance of Robert Carlyle, and the intimate attention paid to Dr. Rush. He's always been a favorite character of mine, and this episode added a great deal of extra depth for him.

I suspected that the woman in the photo was his wife, so that wasn't a surprise, but I love how they handled the revelation. The fact that they didn't have to spell it out for us that she was dying from a disease. Something struck me about how she first said "It's back," refering to the illness, and how Rush wouldn't allow himself to be "in the moment" with her.

In a strange way, I sympathized with Rush and how he was handling the people in the dream, because I can imagine that I would lose my patience with them all even more quickly than he did. The moment where he yells at his students was very visceral to me for some reason, lol.

I like that Chloe had her moment of apology with Eli, though it does feel vaguely odd, only because a month has gone by since the moment of supposed betrayal. I did kind of love that they "teamed up" to go off-world together. A cute moment for them as friends. It was also nice to see that Chloe has been studying up on SG history. When she constantly brings up that she needs to participate and contribute, I still find it difficult to join in the chorus of people criticizing her for being "useless." The girl is making an effort. She may have a long way to go, but she's on the path.

Some people have claimed that Daniel was underused in the episode, but really, he's not there to be THE AMAZING LIFE-SAVING DOCTOR JACKSON we were often used to seeing him as. He's there to provide an extra bit of connection between the various shows, and to contribute to the story of SGU specifically. He's the guy that got Rush into the SG program, the guy that presumably both he and Eli watched on the "instruction videos" about it, and the guy who has just revealed to us the existence of the Lucian Alliance spy that is responsible for attacking the Icarus Base. There was nothing more he needed to do in the episode, and to me, it would have felt tacked on if they tried to force it.

This is the second week in a row where I expected a "surprise" moment where something major happens, and then it doesn't. In the case of "Human," as soon as Rush woke up from the chair, I assumed he would run over to a console, tap in a code, and stop the ship. It's what they normally would do on SG. Instead, he wakes up, is disoriented, and has no idea how to save Scott and the others in the five minutes they have left. It completely subverts the obvious expectation, and I love it for that.

My only source of disappointment about the ending was that there wasn't a final moment of unhapiness from Young in the final scene, after having left several people behind. I know they had their moment right before the gate shut down, but I wanted just that little extra beat to punctuate the emotion. Otherwise, all things considered, it was a good episode.

myhelix
April 24th, 2010, 06:01 AM
A great episode, I think I love every single part of it!
Robert Carlyle´s performance was worth an Emmy- and Golden Glob nomination. To bad that SciFi never get that kind of recognition. The emotion he can give to a scene without making it over the top or schmalzy is brilliant.
The whole episode was a very good explanation for Rush behaviour and his level of obsession with his work, although I think that lot of geniuses tend to be a bit obsessive.
The neglecting of his dying wife part, I could have smacked him over the head for his actions towards her, but it seems he is that type of guy who rather ignore such overwhelming problems and not deal with them.

The things that stand out:
-Rush and his guilt about leaving his wife alone when she was dying, heartbreaking.
-awesome music for the memory scenes.
-the bits with Chloe, Eli, Scott and Greer on the planet, the spiderish thing look creepy.
-the Eli/Greer moment, "please don´t kill me" :D
-the parts with Daniel and Rush (I have the feeling that the ship (Destiny) was talking to Rush and take the shape of Daniel to communicate with him)
-the inside joke with the Number 42
-loved the fact that Rush was knowing it was all a dream, unlike many other Stargate episodes.

Shen
April 24th, 2010, 06:11 AM
A very good episode! definitly getting better. Wonder what the ratings will be...

JustAnotherVoice
April 24th, 2010, 06:18 AM
Easily the best character episode to date, and I would think that the writers would be hard pressed to put together another episode like this for anyone else. Robert Carlyle has been highly underrated in recent memory, and this episode shows us just how much talent the man has. I would be shocked if he doesn't get the nod for Best Actor in a TV show at the Saturn Awards, and disappointed if he doesn't get wider recognition.

I really enjoyed Chloe in this episode, which surprises me to no end. She showed a bit of humour, and the interaction with Eli at the beginning was quite cathartic. Despite knowledge about Milky Way cultural history/achaeology being useless on Universe, it's about time they fleshed her out some more.

madaboutdanny
April 24th, 2010, 06:19 AM
A great episode, I think I love every single part of it!

-the parts with Daniel and Rush (I have the feeling that the ship (Destiny) was talking to Rush and take the shape of Daniel to communicate with him)

I really like that thought, but I wonder for what reason the Destiny, or Rush himself, should choose Daniel to help him?

mizzoueng
April 24th, 2010, 06:23 AM
I liked the episode, it opened up so much of Rush. He's been an "angry" character since the start and this seemed to explain a majority of that pent up rage. Most of it seems to be directed at Eli, but I think he is also mad at himself for working so hard on the 9th chevron and missing his wife.

I did think that Daniel was more than his subconscious speaking to him. I am not totally convinced that Destiny has some kind of AI, maybe something that has developed over time in the database with exposure to multiple cultures and technology levels.

The LA thing seemed under played, but then again we were in Rush's mind so it wouldn't be as big of a deal to him. Either way I think that little line will open up more information in the coming episodes.

The 23/46 thing was brilliant, especially pseudo-daniels 42 reference, I laughed. The DNA thing was kind of a let-down though, we went through the genetic marker thing with SG1 and SGA, I was hoping for something different on SGU.

As for the chair, granted Rush and the others modified it so it slowed down the transfer, but how did they prevent the chair from drilling into his skull like it did the other guy? Once he was done he didn't have 6 additional holes in his head.

Demoniser
April 24th, 2010, 07:04 AM
As for the chair, granted Rush and the others modified it so it slowed down the transfer, but how did they prevent the chair from drilling into his skull like it did the other guy? Once he was done he didn't have 6 additional holes in his head.

It did drill into his head somewhat. You can see at least one mark on the side of his skull where it did when he comes out of the chair.

http://img406.imageshack.us/i/drillc.jpg/

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 07:10 AM
The 23/46 thing was brilliant, especially pseudo-daniels 42 reference, I laughed. The DNA thing was kind of a let-down though, we went through the genetic marker thing with SG1 and SGA, I was hoping for something different on SGU.

The Ancients were a predictable bunch.

MattSilver 3k
April 24th, 2010, 07:11 AM
The Ancients writers were are a predictable bunch.

Fixed.

Krazeh
April 24th, 2010, 07:12 AM
I think the big difference in teh appearance of the holes is down to the fact that Rush wasn't seizing while in the chair. Having convulsions while you have spikes essentially drilled into your skull is probably gonna end up with you suffering a fair bit of damage to the soft tissue around where the spikes enter the skull.

Stormtrooper
April 24th, 2010, 07:14 AM
Very good episode. It delivered drama, but not of the soapy kind. It advanced the plot regarding the control chair. It even had some classic Stargate exploration going on. Rush's wife seems to be a Laura Roslin/Amanda Graystone mix, but I'm not complaining. In fact, I want to see her again down the road. Nice to see Riley back on his feet. Chloe was OK in this episode. It seems she will be SGU's Daniel Jackson. Hopefully, she won't die/ascend so many times. Anyone else thought of "Young SG-1" from 200 while watching this episode? Heh, I know I did. So I'm assuming they will find a way to reverse Destiny's course in order to rescue Scott's team. If so, that's also good news for all those who were left behind (B.A.G., Palmer, etc.).

With the exception of the nonsensical coup from Divided, SGU has been very good lately. I wish the first half of the season had been as good, but the stones wouldn't let it.

8/10

Eestlanna
April 24th, 2010, 07:14 AM
I wonder where they get those extra uniforms for all those civilians when they go offworld. And how old Chloe must be officially and what is exactly her area of expertise? She must have some kind of degree, mustn't she?
I'm not surprised of Robert Carlyle's good acting - he has always been very talented.
I liked seeing Daniel and didn't like those four youngsters offworld. For me it was quite eclectic episode. It should have been either about Rush or about people going offworld. These were both too important to be mixed. First signs of cilization should have bring up more questions and Young should have send scientists and more military down there. They were all like doing nothing and that's weird.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 24th, 2010, 07:33 AM
This episode was a step up from some, perhaps because the acting quality was good.

I'm still troubled by the "magick". In this case it's the new super-duper interface to the chair device, using one of those all powerful SG standard issue laptop computers. Wow, those laptops are amazing! I'm afraid the writers have pulled this well worn prop out of the closet one too many times.

Since most of the story occurs in a lucid dreaming state (of which we are informed very early in the episode), that certain events or answers occur too easily (compared to real life) is not a concern of mine, and I don't think coming up with "46" so quickly is a big deal.

Regarding the planet - difficult to accept that there would be a non-human civilization that would build such human-like structures. Not that it is impossible, but those ruins were in what looks like a well watered area, and the fallen city is still pretty evident (structures and layouts), which means that the ruins couldn't be more than a few thousand years old. If they are that young, then where are the descendants of the builders or at least other signs of civilization?

When watching SG I tend to become somewhat analytical and critical, but I don't mean this comment to be all negative. Not at all. This episode has several things by which to commend it. First and foremost, if the purpose of this episode was to humanize Rush, a thoroughly despicable character in most episodes, then the story made a large step in that direction.

Also important is that this episode changes the direction of the SGU story-line. Up till now the story is based around these people on a ship out of their control, and thus totally subject to the whims of fate. Now a definite clue has been given to change the scene - the humans have a chance of taking control of the ship. We expect future episodes to take this up, and one day the SGA castaways will indeed take over the ship from the autopilot. If the writers refuse to do that (say before the end of the season) then I will be disappointed, and I suspect other viewers will be also.

Most of what they do is with the actual devices. The "magic laptops" are just a way to translate information, analyse data and send commands.

Kaiphantom
April 24th, 2010, 07:35 AM
First, I have to push out an amusing bit. Jackson talked about the "23 enigma" which shows up all over the place. Off the top of my head, in Air, Scott asks Greer how many weapons they have. Greer replies "23, including handguns." Makes me wonder if the writer's put 23 references elsewhere that I may have missed, which makes Jackson's reference an in-joke, heh.

Anyway, onto the episode: It was fairly good. Usually I'm not one for these types of episodes, preferring a more action-oriented one, or something to do with technology. But I have to say, I really like Robert Carlyle's performance here; he did a very good job conveying Rush's inner layers. The dream obviously wasn't exact, because he knew it was a dream, and I can imagine how much he didn't want to be there to see his wife die again, hence his short-tempered attempts to ignore what was going on and focus on the code.

The tvtropes page has him listed as an "Insufferable Genius" and now I can really see why; he's deliberately pushing people away because of how his wife's death affected him, and how she died when he was away. All of us usually have some pretty strong regrets, and we deal with them in different ways. But it was nice to finally see Rush's mask crack at the end as he held her hand, and then see how that experience change him when he gave that optimistic estimate to Young later, which Young seemed to notice.

All in all, a nice character revelation and development piece, rolled into one, for Dr. Nicholas Rush.

Now, for the others:

Eli - good to see him showing a bit of hesitance and pulling back from Chloe, finally. Although he seemed to go right back to whipped dog later. The right thing to do would be to keep being her friend, but that will just leave him in the friend zone. The more controversial action would be to continue to pull back, refuse to coddle her, which would make her pursue him harder. Eli, being a nerd, probably won't do that, however. Women want a chase and a challenge, and thus a friendly, nice, open guy is quickly dismissed as a possible mate.

Chloe - What the hell? Her method for getting on that mission seemed horribly contrived, as if the writer's wanted her on that planet and tried to cook up a reason out of the blue to get her there. Seriously, writers, stop trying to bring these things in all of sudden that haven't been established on the show, with regards to her. Because all it seems to me right now, is that Chloe wants to go to a planet anytime it's a nice, pleasant one, just to get off the ship. Time, Faith, and now Human prove that. She's no archaeologist, and Dr. Jackson's notes (as young pointed out) wouldn't be worth squat this far out. It really feels like they are trying to shoe-horn Chloe into a Dr. Jackson role, with none of the training, and none of the knowledge. I'd like to see her get fit in somewhere, but there's good and bad ways of doing that; this way smacked of poor writing, and is really the only mar on an otherwise good episode. And don't get me started on the spider web; hot damn, she is such an immature girl who hasn't grown up yet. "I want to go to the planet, yay! ... ooh, dark places and spider webs, I want to go home now!"

Greer - I assume we'll see the reasons for his claustrophobia in "Pain" when it explores his backstory. Otherwise, I like seeing Greer finally afraid of something, but I don't think he played it right. The ship, and Icarus Base, are claustrophobic places, too; why isn't he freaking out there? Might be because the underground tunnels could collapse. I expected to see him freak just a bit more, but he was rather calm.

Not too many other things, but it was nice seeing Volker(or was it Brody? I sometimes get those two confused...) secretly work with Rush. They didn't like the man much at first, but it seems they are becoming more useful than other SG shows (where Carter and McKay did everything), and recognizing that he is a smart man.

Going to the planet to explore ruins was a bit weak; they are not explorers and should be more focused on survival. There was no reason to go there, and no reason to assume Destiny stopped there other than a stargate came into range. Kino's are supposed to have flight plans, apparently, so why Eli couldn't put it into reverse and have to backtrack out of there... The whole planet thing in general was a bit weak, as if the writer's were trying too hard to get those four down underground and trapped so Destiny could leave them behind.

But Robert Carlyle's performance really shined, so I'm willing to call it a decent episode. Not great, but not too bad, either.

Commander Zelix
April 24th, 2010, 08:02 AM
Interesting to note that Chloe's army issue pants were very skinny and sexy. Looked very tailored to me. And she was cute in that baseball cap. :P

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 24th, 2010, 08:05 AM
but it'll be ok son.
crap, my chin's going all wobbly again


....

Oh hey, I just realised Wray wasn't in this episode at all! Kinda odd, that.that is interesting, isn't it? Completely out of the picture


...

I'm so used to the deus ex machina ending that I half expected Rush to suddenly save the day. I'm glad he didn't....you're not alone there. Usually it's as predictable as the sun rising so it's been good to see that it's not being done here. I'd watch anyway because I love SGU, but even if I wasn't, I'd be tempted to watch just because I'd have to know what happened


"Say something Archeological"
"Stratification!"

:D

"Why was Sergeant Greer forced to use his weapon?"
"There was a... spider sir, it was approaching Chloe"

:D:D
that spider comment really cracks me up :)


It's J.S. Bach Partita Nr. 2 Chaconne or Ciaccona in D minor for solo violin. I don't know another piece of music that is so complete and perfect as this one.
beautiful, thanks!

...

Some people have claimed that Daniel was underused in the episode, but really, he's not there to be THE AMAZING LIFE-SAVING DOCTOR JACKSON we were often used to seeing him as. He's there to provide an extra bit of connection between the various shows, and to contribute to the story of SGU specifically. He's the guy that got Rush into the SG program, the guy that presumably both he and Eli watched on the "instruction videos" about it, and the guy who has just revealed to us the existence of the Lucian Alliance spy that is responsible for attacking the Icarus Base. There was nothing more he needed to do in the episode, and to me, it would have felt tacked on if they tried to force it. ....Nope, true enough. He wasn't stoned in to save the day, he's just a figment in Rush's head. (I'll have to rewatch but didn't Rush say something like 'this never happened' when he meets Rush outside?)In any case, Rush is using him as a way to access things in his own head, or the Destiny is using the idea/image of Jackson to speak to Rush about things he doesn't want to deal with, but should.


...
-the parts with Daniel and Rush (I have the feeling that the ship (Destiny) was talking to Rush and take the shape of Daniel to communicate with him)...nods head, I think so too. I think the Destiny is some sort of aware


...

The LA thing seemed under played, but then again we were in Rush's mind so it wouldn't be as big of a deal to him. Either way I think that little line will open up more information in the coming episodes. ....I kind of like that it was underplayed. Just drop a small bomb that will come into play later on

jelgate
April 24th, 2010, 08:30 AM
I didn't quite understand what they were saying about the code in the end. I know it predates ATA, but that's all. Is it more unique than the ATA or what? :) I hope somebody explains it to me :)
Its not like ATA at all. ATA actually examines a person's DNA to see if they are required to use a piece of Ancient technology. As Broody said the Destiny code numeric in that the code is basically a copy of some sequence found in the Ancients' genetic code. Basically we have to find those numbers. I suggest I don't have to mention just how big DNA is.

I really like that thought, but I wonder for what reason the Destiny, or Rush himself, should choose Daniel to help him?
I think it was a byproduct of when Gloria was dying is when Rush was approached to join the Stargate program. I think he chose the point of Gloria's death and Daniel was side effect.

EvilSpaceAlien
April 24th, 2010, 08:33 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. It was nice to see some of the things that shaped Rush into the person he is today. Robert Carlyle's acting was superb, which was to be expected, however the actress who played Gloria did a good job as well. Michael Shanks ain't to shabby either. Oh, and I gotta say that I loved Chloe's nerd moment. :D

One of my favorite parts of the episode was the music. Was it really composed by Joel Goldsmith? If so, he has really outdone himself this time. Did anyone else notice that Gloria played the same Opera that Rush listened to in Air Part 1, on her violin? That was a nice touch.

Oh, and Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference. Me likey. :D

Looking forward to Lost. I'm interested in knowing what it was that triggered Greer claustrophobia. In that little flash of his young self it looked like he was locked in a closet or something like that.

Commander Zelix
April 24th, 2010, 08:42 AM
Overall an interesting episode.

A plot - Rush backstory: Overall rather mundane wife dying of cancer story. I was a bit underwhelmed by it all. What kept me interesting is the double meaning of everything that was happening. As I was struggling to find clues at the same time as Rush. It was fun to see Rush interacting with his environment in complete disdain as he was re-living the same events over and over again. Somehow it felt like the real obsessed Rush, even if anybody in his place would react the same way: Can't do the emo thing over and over again, can he? He had something to do...finding the code. It felt even more like the real Rush at the beginning when we didn't know it was a dream sequence. Treating his dying wife like a total crap. Good to know he's not such a B*****d...Or is he? It was fun trying to find the clues at the same time as the character, but the solution turns out to be a bit out of nowhere.

B-plot: Again a variation of falling into the hole crap. Seriously, if we get to visit an ancient aliens civilizations. We would like to learn a little bit about them. What is next? Trapped under an avalanche of rocks?

At least Chloe get to show some initiative.

I give this one 6.5 again. Since they put meaning into his flashback episode. It was not only some forced character exposition through flashback.

Arative
April 24th, 2010, 08:44 AM
I liked this episode, it was nice to get some backstory on Rush.
My only real complaint is the quickness in which Chloe and Eli patched things up, would have preferred that he sack up and leave her hanging for a few episodes. But it was good that he wasn't all friendly with her right away.

Vanek26
April 24th, 2010, 08:46 AM
I thought it was pretty good.

Daniel Jackson was underused.

Rush had great acting.

Can't wait to see how Eli gets them out of this.

Commander Zelix
April 24th, 2010, 08:52 AM
I liked this episode, it was nice to get some backstory on Rush.
My only real complaint is the quickness in which Chloe and Eli patched things up, would have preferred that he sack up and leave her hanging for a few episodes. But it was good that he wasn't all friendly with her right away.
It was a bit strange since a few seconds later. He was ignoring her because he was hurt by her betraying. The next scene he was a real gusher, pushing for her to be on the mission. If I was Scott, I would have a little talk with Eli after that one.

s09119
April 24th, 2010, 08:54 AM
After 3 watches total, I'm pushing this episode back down to ** in my book. The Rush moments (minus the ridiculous 10 second connection to figure out 46 = 23 = chromosomes) were so amazing that I was going to give it ***, but then I remembered the offworld bit, and even the nice development the characters had wasn't enough. The entire B plot is just way too contrived and nonsensical, obviously thrown in there just for the sake of having them stuck. A shame, since had that been left out, this would have been a phenomenal installment.

Eestlanna
April 24th, 2010, 09:12 AM
Wouldn't it be logical to send a team with the shuttle to check if there are any people if you saw the ruins? Or did they think that if there were ruins the whole planet would be in ruins as well? It doesn't make any sense. With shuttle they could find some city for example.

s09119
April 24th, 2010, 09:18 AM
Wouldn't it be logical to send a team with the shuttle to check if there are any people if you saw the ruins? Or did they think that if there were ruins the whole planet would be in ruins as well? It doesn't make any sense. With shuttle they could find some city for example.

The planet would have been in a nearby star system, too far for a shuttle. Remember, stargates can't connect to a gate in the same solar system, so if you're able to dial up a planet, it's always going to be too far away fro a shuttle.

Commander Zelix
April 24th, 2010, 09:26 AM
23? I think there was a movie about it. :P

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 09:26 AM
The planet would have been in a nearby star system, too far for a shuttle. Remember, stargates can't connect to a gate in the same solar system, so if you're able to dial up a planet, it's always going to be too far away fro a shuttle.

Is this correct for SGU, though?

s09119
April 24th, 2010, 10:00 AM
Is this correct for SGU, though?

We know the Destiny gates don't have a very long range, so I'm just assuming. But either way, it wouldn't have been in the same star system.

Dark Ghost
April 24th, 2010, 10:48 AM
Great episode
well its not the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything thats 42
lol

Coronach
April 24th, 2010, 11:01 AM
Well, I finally watched the episode today. I really enjoyed it! Some of my favorite moments were the dialogue between Chloe and Eli (several times), as well as the cinematography of the episode itself. The story was told in a really interesting way, and the style of SGU filming and such really enhanced it.

:)

The_Asgard_live
April 24th, 2010, 11:04 AM
-the parts with Daniel and Rush (I have the feeling that the ship (Destiny) was talking to Rush and take the shape of Daniel to communicate with him)

Like a few others, the whole "we interfaced a laptop, there will be a door..." not particularly impressed that that was just pulled out of the plot device bum. But like you I thought, not just Daniel but all the characters directing him towards his wife was the ship, an AI, or whatever communicating with him. Trying to let him know he wouldn't be able to find the knowledge he was looking for until he put down the burdens he was carrying. Like Oma might have, it seemed like an Ancienty thing to do.

Sp!der
April 24th, 2010, 11:33 AM
this is really the first episode of the season were I really enjoyed EVERYTHING! superb episode, and Carlyles acting is awesome, is it true that theres gonna be a two week pause?

ravenw
April 24th, 2010, 11:33 AM
The music - Bach's Partita for Violin No. 2, "was written in memory of Bach's first wife", according to the article on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partita_for_Violin_No._2_%28Bach%29

Well-played on the part of the writer(s). Good episode by the way. :)

death13a
April 24th, 2010, 11:40 AM
While Rush was in chair I really think Destiny was communicating with him instead of just telling him but was not very good at communication as i think Rush had to fill in the blanks with his memory. And it was nice to see that Rush was carrying person until his wife died after which he chose to distance himself from others.

LoneStar1836
April 24th, 2010, 11:40 AM
Rush is by far my favorite character (RC carries the show for me) so I thought the episode was great, minus the B story.

A story:

- great getting some insight into Rush
- enjoyed the way they chose to film it and have Rush react. SG-1's Changeling is one of my favorite episodes.
- nice way to incorporate Daniel into the ep but not really have it be him...thus no use of the stones to import past characters.
- it all comes back to DNA stuff as usual with all things Ancient. Resolution was a bit too easy but whatever as that's not what I cared about.

B story:

- contrived
- Young should have never allowed Eli to go. Too valuable an asset to risk.
- why didn't they send more people to help dig out those trapped?
- one redeeming thing about the B story was that it wasn't miraculously fixed at the end of the episode. I expected Rush to jump out of the chair and stop Destiny from jumping. Didn't happen. So props to the show.

Meshakhad
April 24th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Not a great episode, but not a bad one.

The Rush storyline was a little dull, to be honest. The episode didn't have that many moments that grabbed me.

However, the writing itself was solid as ever. And it left us with a cliffhanger for next week.

Jeffer
April 24th, 2010, 01:05 PM
i really liked this ep my fav so far behind "Time" it was to me what a true Stargate ep is and Chloe redeemed herself it this ep for me if she can keep going like this she could turn into a likable character IMO

MechaThor
April 24th, 2010, 01:19 PM
What a fantastic and strong Episode. Really great acting, powerful scenes and an interesting cliffhanger. While lots of small seeds planted throughout such as a hint towards the Lucian Alliances interest and "involvement" in the project.

Ok the B plot was a little flat, especailly with the "let go underground beat", however the cliffhanger payoff was worth it, as was the small spinet into Greers past. Although the "aliens are chasing us" intro just leaves me feeling that them Aliens will capture Scott ect... then hold them hostage, maybe even striking the deal that lets them on the ship as we saw in the previous trailers. Atleast that my theory.

The only major thing that bugged me however was the "lets look for human remains", erm... its an ALIEN planet, in an ALIEN galaxy.... no humans, please no humans.

Sami_
April 24th, 2010, 01:35 PM
40 mins of some of the worst SGU so far in my opinion, big let down considering how much I enjoyed the last 4 episodes, really thought the show was turning the corner once and for all.

hisg1fans
April 24th, 2010, 01:57 PM
I kind of liked the episode, but got very tired of the BSG duplication. I felt like I was on Caprica and Cylons would go walking by at any time. Got a kick out of the stick man figures on a couple of the chalkboards (was this a subtle hint for chromosomes :P). Micheal Shanks is handsome as ever, thought his part fit into the show.

Hopefully, now Rush will go around with somewhat less resentment and a little more recognition of other people.

What happens when two civilians want to go exploring and the military leader gives in because they are his friends? They all get trapped in a tunnel. I could see where that one was going a mile a way. No way should Chloe or Eli EVER be left off the ship. The two most naive and inexperienced of the entire crew? What was Young thinking?!?!? Especially with Scott leading the squad.

And did anyone else get spine tingles at the resemblence of the "Scott Squad" to the "young and hip" people version from SG1's epispode "200"? OMG! I think they had the characters exactly the same in the two episodes. AAAAAHHHHHHH!!! We are headed for a whole season of the "young and hip". :S

OK. We've had some BSG, old SG1, and character background fun. It is time to get back to the present situation at hand and move SGU forward.

Kermee
April 24th, 2010, 03:04 PM
It's J.S. Bach Partita Nr. 2 Chaconne or Ciaccona in D minor for solo violin. I don't know another piece of music that is so complete and perfect as this one.

You mean that irritating, screechy noise I heard in the background. Ruined the episode for me.

garhkal
April 24th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Chloe is the next Daniel Jackson of the show. With her political background. It makes her an hypocritical archeologist. :)

Dr Jackson was much more than just an archeologist though. He was their negotiator (many times, especially with the Unas), their translator and also their moral compass. Her poltiical savvy would be good for the first of those, but i cannot see her being the 3.


I love twisty psychological stories that really get into the characters' heads (literally in this case). There was so much going on inside Rush's head here: his grief over his wife's death, regret over how he acted with her, how he reacts to reliving that and the revelation that he actually wanted to forget those memories, his resentment toward Eli, his desperation to crack that code and solve at least one mystery... and then, on top of all that, his struggle with his own conscience as he thinks of the person he's become since his wife's death. There's just so much material there, and it will be interesting to see how Rush continues to develop now that we know at least some of what's going on beneath the surface. And of course, Carlyle plays all of that emotion just brilliantly!


With all that has happened, i am wondering now, if cause OF his pushing for a logical answer is WHY he was unable to crack the code. I know from personal experience, when i get to 'nuke' into a problem at times it clouds my capacity to solve it, and someone fresh will get it. So maybe that is why Eli was able to solve it and rush was not.
But i agree, this showed his character so well. Now all we can hope for is that the powers that be actually give him an award for this wonderful work.


nd the guy who has just revealed to us the existence of the Lucian Alliance spy that is responsible for attacking the Icarus Base

Actually the spy was who gave them the location of the planet which got turning INTO the icarus base. WE don't know if it was he who had the LA attack it. Maybe it was, after they found out he was a spy and cracked him through torture.


This is the second week in a row where I expected a "surprise" moment where something major happens, and then it doesn't. In the case of "Human," as soon as Rush woke up from the chair, I assumed he would run over to a console, tap in a code, and stop the ship. It's what they normally would do on SG. Instead, he wakes up, is disoriented, and has no idea how to save Scott and the others in the five minutes they have left. It completely subverts the obvious expectation, and I love it for that.

And i liked how they had him later on explaining to Young that his comment was not a lie, but a clarification. "I cannot stop the ship now. I now though know of how to do it" (or something like that).


Robert Carlyle´s performance was worth an Emmy- and Golden Glob nomination. To bad that SciFi never get that kind of recognition.

He should get BOTH!.. BUt it is a real pity it seems the SG franchise seems to get left out of the running for all of them.


I really like that thought, but I wonder for what reason the Destiny, or Rush himself, should choose Daniel to help him?

Maybe the ship read his mind for a 'character who would know what it was imparting, and Rush's memory of Dr Jackson showed he would..

BobbyScars
April 24th, 2010, 04:18 PM
Did anyone else get the sense that everyone in his memory knew what was going on but they were just frakking with him? And I have to question why they used an entire stick of C4, if you cut it down you can reduce the size and force of the explosion allowing you to not destroy half the ruins. I think this whole situation shows that officers need to listen more to the NCO's, they know what they are talking about and ignoring them is always bad.

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 04:36 PM
B story:

- contrived
- Young should have never allowed Eli to go. Too valuable an asset to risk.
- why didn't they send more people to help dig out those trapped?
- one redeeming thing about the B story was that it wasn't miraculously fixed at the end of the episode. I expected Rush to jump out of the chair and stop Destiny from jumping. Didn't happen. So props to the show.

I think we've established from previous evidence that Young's not real bright.

On RC getting an Emmy nomination, etc.

He should get BOTH!.. BUt it is a real pity it seems the SG franchise seems to get left out of the running for all of them.

Wrong time of year for it anyway. All the major awards shows have past, even if a sci-fi show had the off chance of being recognised.

the fifth man
April 24th, 2010, 08:27 PM
Good episode last night. I really can't wait to see how they resolve that ending.

SG7
April 24th, 2010, 08:51 PM
Characters like Weir, Ford, Beckett, Jonas, Vala, Landry, and Cam were essentially B-team characters who were booted or brought in as a matter of convenience, yet I'd rather watch an episode of them going grocery shopping than even the most interesting plot regarding the crew of the Destiny.

If you take out Carson Beckett and Jonas Quinn from that equasion then I would agee wth you. I thought that Beckett was an amazing character for SGU who was UNDER used.
And TPTB could have had Jonas around as a supporting character (like Dr. Frazier) and I would have been VERY happy! :)

Daro
April 24th, 2010, 09:15 PM
The show need not morph into an action adventure. If you're hoping it will become that completely, you'll probably be dissappointed. I am fine with some episodes dealing mainly with character issues. Especially the way this episode worked out, where the backstory of the show's central character wasn't just plain exposition, but expoisition told in pace with the plot. Excellant writing for that part of it, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm with others about the 'B' plot. It just....seemed like a contrivance. There would have been so many much better ways to get the four kids off the ship and into the ruins, I think. But I'm not terribly concerned because the main plot was so nicely done.

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 09:17 PM
I'm with others about the 'B' plot. It just....seemed like a contrivance. There would have been so many much better ways to get the four kids off the ship and into the ruins, I think. But I'm not terribly concerned because the main plot was so nicely done.

I don't know what Greer's background is but Scott is very inexperienced and the other two have none. Naturally, they got into trouble.

SG7
April 24th, 2010, 09:25 PM
I thought it was pretty good.

Daniel Jackson was underused.

Rush had great acting.

Can't wait to see how Eli gets them out of this.

I would say that Daniel was used perfectly. Any more and I would have chalked it up to a "desparate attempt" at attracting SG1 Diehards. Had he had more of a role, I feel that it would have detracted from the amazing job RC did in that dream sequence.

I am hoping that RC gets some award nods for his performance in this episode as he was absolutely brilliant!

Doubt that it will be Eli who gets them out of their nice pickle. But rather Rush who does after spending almost all of next episode cracking the code.

Daro
April 24th, 2010, 09:25 PM
I don't know what Greer's background is but Scott is very inexperienced and the other two have none. Naturally, they got into trouble.

Scott has gotten a lot of experience since coming to Destiny. He seems to be both more restrained and thoughtful than Greer. He kind of keeps Greer out of trouble at times that Young isn't there to do so (or doesn't want to do so.) And yeah, the other two had no business there. Dangerous or not, you won't get left behind most likely if you stay on Destiny. Eli is too valuable to just let him run around doing things that he has no business doing. Playing games, like Rush said. Too flighty and ADD to sit down and help Rush figure out what's going on. You'd think he'd have tried to help work with Brody while Rush was risking his life. But no. Rush risks everything and is on task, while the kid who should be his protege is off playing amateur documentary maker. It's sad. I hope Eli starts evolving soon, because I'm sick of him not pulling his own weight.

SG7
April 24th, 2010, 09:28 PM
Great episode
well its not the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything thats 42
lol

We got that quote also in SGA's "Quarantine", when Sheppard is explaining to Teyla about Rodney's system password and how he knew it. Love it as it is a Hitchikers Guide reference!

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 09:35 PM
Scott has gotten a lot of experience since coming to Destiny. He seems to be both more restrained and thoughtful than Greer. He kind of keeps Greer out of trouble at times that Young isn't there to do so (or doesn't want to do so.) And yeah, the other two had no business there. Dangerous or not, you won't get left behind most likely if you stay on Destiny. Eli is too valuable to just let him run around doing things that he has no business doing. Playing games, like Rush said. Too flighty and ADD to sit down and help Rush figure out what's going on. You'd think he'd have tried to help work with Brody while Rush was risking his life. But no. Rush risks everything and is on task, while the kid who should be his protege is off playing amateur documentary maker. It's sad. I hope Eli starts evolving soon, because I'm sick of him not pulling his own weight.

You're channelling LadyP there, Daro. :D Oh, I thoroughly agree. Eli's just a waste of space at the moment. Eli playing games is not limited to his pre-Destiny life. When he's not spying for Young, that's all he seems to do. Oh, and moon after Chloe.

SG7
April 24th, 2010, 09:40 PM
My thoughts on the episode. It was a brilliant episode for RC. Really enjoyed it, however not quite as much as "Faith".

The one thing that is beginnig to irratate me about the show is how they have a plot and then don't tie up the loose ends. We find out in last weeks episode that TJ was pregnant, and this week there is no mention of it. No "awkward scene" of her breaking it to Young (or others on the ship that she has not yet told) that she was pregnant. I just hope it isn't some hoky thing where suddenly one week she is discussing baby stuff with him with no prior scene or line(s) of dialogue of her telling him she's pregnant.

Wanted to put my fist through the TV when I was left with only a couple of minutes of the episode and realized that it would have to be a 2 parter!!!!! :(:(

jelgate
April 24th, 2010, 09:42 PM
My thoughts on the episode. It was a brilliant episode for RC. Really enjoyed it, however not quite as much as "Faith".

The one thing that is beginnig to irratate me about the show is how they have a plot and then don't tie up the loose ends. We find out in last weeks episode that TJ was pregnant, and this week there is no mention of it. No "awkward scene" of her breaking it to Young (or others on the ship that she has not yet told) that she was pregnant. I just hope it isn't some hoky thing where suddenly one week she is discussing baby stuff with him with no prior scene or line(s) of dialogue of her telling him she's pregnant.

Wanted to put my fist through the TV when I was left with only a couple of minutes of the episode and realized that it would have to be a 2 parter!!!!! :(:(

Thats kind of the point of SGU. Not everything gets solved in 42 minutes. The storylines just get developed and may continue in the next episode

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 09:59 PM
Thats kind of the point of SGU. Not everything gets solved in 42 minutes. The storylines just get developed and may continue in the next episode

This.

MattSilver 3k
April 24th, 2010, 10:03 PM
My thoughts on the episode. It was a brilliant episode for RC. Really enjoyed it, however not quite as much as "Faith".

The one thing that is beginnig to irratate me about the show is how they have a plot and then don't tie up the loose ends. We find out in last weeks episode that TJ was pregnant, and this week there is no mention of it. No "awkward scene" of her breaking it to Young (or others on the ship that she has not yet told) that she was pregnant. I just hope it isn't some hoky thing where suddenly one week she is discussing baby stuff with him with no prior scene or line(s) of dialogue of her telling him she's pregnant.

Wanted to put my fist through the TV when I was left with only a couple of minutes of the episode and realized that it would have to be a 2 parter!!!!! :(:(

TJ'll be telling Young next episode. Patience, grasshopper.

s09119
April 24th, 2010, 10:13 PM
Scott has gotten a lot of experience since coming to Destiny. He seems to be both more restrained and thoughtful than Greer. He kind of keeps Greer out of trouble at times that Young isn't there to do so (or doesn't want to do so.) And yeah, the other two had no business there. Dangerous or not, you won't get left behind most likely if you stay on Destiny. Eli is too valuable to just let him run around doing things that he has no business doing. Playing games, like Rush said. Too flighty and ADD to sit down and help Rush figure out what's going on. You'd think he'd have tried to help work with Brody while Rush was risking his life. But no. Rush risks everything and is on task, while the kid who should be his protege is off playing amateur documentary maker. It's sad. I hope Eli starts evolving soon, because I'm sick of him not pulling his own weight.

Actually, that may have just pushed this episode up a star in my book. Maybe this is what the writers wanted us to see; as Rush said, he can't help but be bitter that he sunk his entire life into the Icarus Project, giving everything he had after his wife died, and this gamer who could care less comes in at the eleventh hour and solves it all. Eli doesn't care, he just wants to have fun and see all the wonder of the universe while Rush slaved away trying to solve the mystery. Likewise, while he's sitting in that chair risking death to find what they desperately need, Eli and Chloe decide it'd be fun to play archaeologists and go offworld for some adventure.

Maybe it's not as contrived as I thought. And maybe I'm giving the writers too much credit, but what if they wanted the two storylines to mirror like that? Showing that even as the characters are changed by their circumstances, some things have stayed just the same... Rush willing to give it all for the mission and Eli, while brilliant, too caught up in having fun.

Saquist
April 24th, 2010, 10:21 PM
I have to say that I swing between liking and not liking Greer. This was definitely a not liking Greer. Didn't care for his bad attitude even if because of a phobia....the man needs to seriously lighten up and get his head on straight.

Canonfodder
April 24th, 2010, 10:52 PM
See I would go the other way, I really hated Greer when he ate the Kiwi thing in Faith, and well basically everything he did in Divided (really hated every move made by the military in that episode) but this episode I didn't mind him, I sort of liked how he just stared down Eli, makes sense for a guy that tough, he can't challenge his claustrophobia so he challenges the guy who points it out (albeit unintentionally)

But yeah I am finding it hard to like Greer, one episode I love him next I hate him... I have slowly started liking Young again, slowly... and I never disliked Rush, but Greer seems to fluctuate.

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 11:29 PM
Actually, that may have just pushed this episode up a star in my book. Maybe this is what the writers wanted us to see; as Rush said, he can't help but be bitter that he sunk his entire life into the Icarus Project, giving everything he had after his wife died, and this gamer who could care less comes in at the eleventh hour and solves it all. Eli doesn't care, he just wants to have fun and see all the wonder of the universe while Rush slaved away trying to solve the mystery. Likewise, while he's sitting in that chair risking death to find what they desperately need, Eli and Chloe decide it'd be fun to play archaeologists and go offworld for some adventure.

Maybe it's not as contrived as I thought. And maybe I'm giving the writers too much credit, but what if they wanted the two storylines to mirror like that? Showing that even as the characters are changed by their circumstances, some things have stayed just the same... Rush willing to give it all for the mission and Eli, while brilliant, too caught up in having fun.

I think that juxtaposition as you put it is really good. There's Rush, in the chair, fighting to get the master code, having to go through his wife dying again, and there's Eli, nary putting in a scrap of work. I mean, in Divided, he whined about how he couldn't keep up with everything Rush did. He may be more of a genius than Rush, but he's a lazy arsed good for nothing otherwise. I think Rush is giving Eli too much credit.

s09119
April 24th, 2010, 11:39 PM
I think that juxtaposition as you put it is really good. There's Rush, in the chair, fighting to get the master code, having to go through his wife dying again, and there's Eli, nary putting in a scrap of work. I mean, in Divided, he whined about how he couldn't keep up with everything Rush did. He may be more of a genius than Rush, but he's a lazy arsed good for nothing otherwise. I think Rush is giving Eli too much credit.

Hmmm, Eli definitely has the insight Rush doesn't, but he's not quite as knowledgeable and really, at the end of the day, he lacks the drive. Rush will throw his life into something, willing to give whatever it takes to get the answer. And while that may lead him to morally questionable actions at times, at least you can't doubt his dedication. Eli, on the other hand, only seems interested in putting his mind to work when he's ordered to or when it means something fun and exciting. I can see why Rush was so bitter that young Mr. Wallace stole the glory from him at Icarus.

EllieVee
April 24th, 2010, 11:45 PM
Hmmm, Eli definitely has the insight Rush doesn't, but he's not quite as knowledgeable and really, at the end of the day, he lacks the drive. Rush will throw his life into something, willing to give whatever it takes to get the answer. And while that may lead him to morally questionable actions at times, at least you can't doubt his dedication. Eli, on the other hand, only seems interested in putting his mind to work when he's ordered to or when it means something fun and exciting. I can see why Rush was so bitter that young Mr. Wallace stole the glory from him at Icarus.

But did you notice that Rush did all the work for the actual solution? All Eli did was solve the proof. Rush did everything else, and mind, at a time it seems, not long after his wife died, someone he's still deeply in grieving for.

Khentkawes
April 25th, 2010, 12:12 AM
Looking forward to Lost. I'm interested in knowing what it was that triggered Greer claustrophobia. In that little flash of his young self it looked like he was locked in a closet or something like that.

Thank you for proving that I didn't imagine that little flashback! I was surprised that I hadn't seen anyone else mention it, especially since several people have wondered why Greer is claustrophobic. It actually seems pretty obvious to me when you look at that flashback and then take into account the way Greer reacted to mention of his dad in Life. Clearly all was not happy in his childhood. I kinda thought the flashback looked like young-Greer was in a cellar or a basement, which could explain why the caves bothered him more than being on Destiny.


And did anyone else get spine tingles at the resemblence of the "Scott Squad" to the "young and hip" people version from SG1's epispode "200"? OMG! I think they had the characters exactly the same in the two episodes. AAAAAHHHHHHH!!! We are headed for a whole season of the "young and hip". :S

Alright, let's all take a deep breath now. No need to have a panic attack. Repeat after me: "It's just a TV show." Breathe and repeat until your blood pressure returns to normal. :)


I would say that Daniel was used perfectly. Any more and I would have chalked it up to a "desparate attempt" at attracting SG1 Diehards. Had he had more of a role, I feel that it would have detracted from the amazing job RC did in that dream sequence.

I thought so too. I'm a long time Daniel fan, but I'm glad that he wasn't used too much in this episode. The focus stayed on Rush. As it should. Michael Shanks did well with his supporting role... never detracting from Carlyle's performance.


The one thing that is beginnig to irratate me about the show is how they have a plot and then don't tie up the loose ends. We find out in last weeks episode that TJ was pregnant, and this week there is no mention of it. No "awkward scene" of her breaking it to Young (or others on the ship that she has not yet told) that she was pregnant. I just hope it isn't some hoky thing where suddenly one week she is discussing baby stuff with him with no prior scene or line(s) of dialogue of her telling him she's pregnant.

Well first off, I am sure that we will see TJ dealing with the pregnancy and telling Young about it in a later episode. That's not the kind of thing the writers would gloss over.

But in regards to the way SGU is leaving loose ends after each episode... that's one of the things that I'm really enjoying about this show. I always feel excited to watch the next episode because there are still issues that are unresolved. For me, it's a more compelling and organic form of storytelling. In real life, problems and conflicts don't just miraculously resolve themselves in neat little packages. Even when major conflicts end (like the insurrection in Divided), there's still fallout and issues that stem from that conflict (like Eli's feelings of betrayal towards Chloe and the general mistrust/uncertainty among the crew). So far, I've been very impressed with the way SGU picks up on these loose ends in later episodes, plays with them, and shows how they affect the crew. But sometimes that means that we have to wait awhile to see what happens. Remember, we saw the pod ship disconnect from Destiny in Air part 3 and didn't see any follow up until we saw the aliens in Space and Divided. I'm convinced that the writers are keeping track of all these "loose ends." It's just a matter of being patient and watching to see how things develop.

ventrue
April 25th, 2010, 09:54 AM
It's J.S. Bach Partita Nr. 2 Chaconne or Ciaccona in D minor for solo violin. I don't know another piece of music that is so complete and perfect as this one.

I think maybe you make a mistake, the music should be Partita-No-3-BWV-1006-I Preludio E major.

Sami_
April 25th, 2010, 10:09 AM
I have to say that I swing between liking and not liking Greer. This was definitely a not liking Greer. Didn't care for his bad attitude even if because of a phobia....the man needs to seriously lighten up and get his head on straight.

His attitude (and much of it so far on SGU) was very reminiscent Aiden when he said to Mckay:


Is this some sort of payback for guys like me beating up guys like you i high school

Definetly not something that ingratiates you to sci-fi viewers, in fact its a little ugly imo.

ventrue
April 25th, 2010, 10:20 AM
The music - Bach's Partita for Violin No. 2, "was written in memory of Bach's first wife", according to the article on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partita_for_Violin_No._2_%28Bach%29

Well-played on the part of the writer(s). Good episode by the way. :)

No, I think it is a mistake,the music should be Partita-No-3-BWV-1006-I Preludio,according your links, it should be the BMV1004.

SG7
April 25th, 2010, 10:28 AM
Hmmm, Eli definitely has the insight Rush doesn't, but he's not quite as knowledgeable and really, at the end of the day, he lacks the drive. Rush will throw his life into something, willing to give whatever it takes to get the answer. And while that may lead him to morally questionable actions at times, at least you can't doubt his dedication. Eli, on the other hand, only seems interested in putting his mind to work when he's ordered to or when it means something fun and exciting. I can see why Rush was so bitter that young Mr. Wallace stole the glory from him at Icarus.

Agreed. Rush has the determinaion to do something no matter how unsurmizable the obstacle seems. And even though it can take forever to get to the solution. Eli on the otherhand has equasions and solutions come to him naturally without even having to do much thinking. Only he lacks the motivation and determination.

major davis
April 25th, 2010, 11:14 AM
Did anyone else feel the plots in Human were Rushed. I think Rush should get his own episode and the offworld adventure should get its own episode too. The offworld thing was so forced and rushed. All of a sudden.... whoops were stuck and the rescue team can't help.. your on your own. Also, the chair was kinda overlooked. There was no build. I would have liked to see Rush trying to build the courage to sit in it. There was no big reveal. We just saw the him sitting in the chair and that was it. Additionally, he was up and about by the end of the episode perfectly fine. That was so dumb. The chair has been such a big deal up to now and in previous series and now its perfectly safe and we don't really get much of an explaniation and Rush only has the number 23(and what happened to franklin). Come on now!!! It was a lame fest!

Does anyone else agree with me?

Personally I think this was the worst episode of SGU so far. I was sorely disappointed in it. I expected much more, especially considering how awesome the past 4 episodes have been.

vszulc
April 25th, 2010, 11:25 AM
Meh, it was sorta average as far as SGU episodes go IMHO. The offworld part was def. rushed. Ruins?!? Whoah, that means that it was populated...

By whom? What did they look like, where did they go?
(And why were their architecture so much like ancient ruins on earth?) All good questions that they at least could try to answer.

Hopefully we'll know more when they come back to pick them up (Though I wouldn't mind terribly if this is the last we see of Greer, Eli, Scott and Chloe... Maybe besides a single episodes dedicated to the death match between the three on who gets to shack up with Chloe!)

And what was up with the annoying, constant classical music? Unfortunate side effect of chair use or what?

rushy
April 25th, 2010, 11:26 AM
Okay, I watched this, but a question arises. People, what happened with Franklin? He sat in the chair and had catastrophic results, but he was alive! And wasn't he supposed to be in a coma? So he could have a dream himself. The only reason he failed is because Rush knew what information he wanted:the code. Franklin didn't know what he wanted:Probably Spencer's death. OMG! FRANKLIN KILLED SPENCER!!!!!!!!

rushy
April 25th, 2010, 11:28 AM
Oh sorry! He couldn't have. Spencer died before Franklin sat in the chair.

Petra
April 25th, 2010, 11:48 AM
So I finally sat down and watched "Human" and I can't help but feel slightly disappointed. I thought it was a very average episode, much weaker than the previous 3. Maybe because I find other characters more engaging than Rush? I don't know..his part just didn't hold my interest as much as I'd expected it would. It was nice though to see Daniel, and what's more, Daniel talking about Sha're! Yay! :)

I like that Chloe tries to be useful, but her studying Daniel's notes came out of the blue and seemed contrived at best. And her reaction to spider webs was a bit OTT. Oh well, we'll see what happens next soon enough.

The most interesting part for me was Greer's phobia and his little flashback. Can't wait to find out more about it. :)

Lahela
April 25th, 2010, 12:25 PM
Anybody catch the name of the guy that played the blond student in Rush's class (the one who answered the question about Shor's Algorithm)? There are no extras for the ep listed on IMDb or GW...

jelgate
April 25th, 2010, 12:32 PM
Anybody catch the name of the guy that played the blond student in Rush's class (the one who answered the question about Shor's Algorithm)? There are no extras for the ep listed on IMDb or GW...He didn't have a name. A person that minimal will be in the end credits

JustAnotherVoice
April 25th, 2010, 01:23 PM
So I finally sat down and watched "Human" and I can't help but feel slightly disappointed. I thought it was a very average episode, much weaker than the previous 3.

Now thats just not fair. You can't really compare this episode to three action orientated ones! Liking/engaging with Rush aside, if you compare this "character" episode to other character episodes like Earth or Life (and maybe even Time), it comes out ahead of the pack in the quality of the writing.

True, it may not be on par with the best of SGU, but IMO, calling this episode average does no justice for the performance Carlyle put on, nor the quality of the non-planetside scenes.

garhkal
April 25th, 2010, 03:27 PM
Wrong time of year for it anyway. All the major awards shows have past, even if a sci-fi show had the off chance of being recognised.

That is why i said Next years awards.


No "awkward scene" of her breaking it to Young (or others on the ship that she has not yet told) that she was pregnant.

Maybe she is waiting to tell him..


Eli on the otherhand has equasions and solutions come to him naturally without even having to do much thinking. Only he lacks the motivation and determination.

Which makes me wonder how much more smarter he might be if the SG program got to him earlier.

EllieVee
April 25th, 2010, 04:48 PM
That is why i said Next years awards.

The performance is then too early to be noticed for next year's awards. If you look at films that are nominated, for example, for Academy Awards they're always released in the second half of the year. Same with nominated television episodes/performances. Attention spans are short in Hollywood - if that is, that Stargate is eligible for a nomination being a Canadian show and all.


Anybody catch the name of the guy that played the blond student in Rush's class (the one who answered the question about Shor's Algorithm)? There are no extras for the ep listed on IMDb or GW...

He's apparently someone from Riese the Series. A producer? I read it somewhere, maybe on Twitter.

ETA: Wormholeriders says his name is Kristian Arye.

jelgate
April 25th, 2010, 05:03 PM
The performance is then too early to be noticed for next year's awards. If you look at films that are nominated, for example, for Academy Awards they're always released in the second half of the year. Same with nominated television episodes/performances. Attention spans are short in Hollywood - if that is, that Stargate is eligible for a nomination being a Canadian show and all.

It is. Shows are classified where they air first not where produced. Stargate is an American show over a Canadian because it boradcasts on the US first before Canada. In fact many shows (including primetime) are made in Canada but air in US first.

EllieVee
April 25th, 2010, 05:09 PM
Interesting, thanks, Jelgate.

Vapor
April 25th, 2010, 06:00 PM
Definetly not something that ingratiates you to sci-fi viewers, in fact its a little ugly imo.

Perhaps we shouldn't speak on behalf of the entire sci-fi fanbase. We are, after all, a group of individuals...

BobbyScars
April 25th, 2010, 07:14 PM
The only problem I have with the episode, aside from the C4 misuse, is that the chair is all of a sudden usable. WTF? They have a short scene about how they use the computer to buffer the information going in like they could have done this all along but didnt, dont you think that guy is gonna feel like a complete moron if/when he wakes up? He's gonna be like, "Man I guess I should have waited a couple weeks or done a little more research before I sat in a chair that has always proven to be an almost certain death sentence."

Personally I didnt have a problem with the two stories being mixed together, I mean I dont wanna watch a whole episode about Rush ignoring his dying wife, we all know him as heartless and I think this is supposed to be him taking steps to becoming better or something. So we get to hate him more during this and then we get to love him later on. If you make the audience hate him so much its beyond repair then you defeat the purpose of the entire episode.

Vapor
April 25th, 2010, 07:43 PM
The only problem I have with the episode, aside from the C4 misuse, is that the chair is all of a sudden usable. WTF? They have a short scene about how they use the computer to buffer the information going in like they could have done this all along but didnt, dont you think that guy is gonna feel like a complete moron if/when he wakes up? He's gonna be like, "Man I guess I should have waited a couple weeks or done a little more research before I sat in a chair that has always proven to be an almost certain death sentence."

I think the implication was that they were working on it between scenes the whole time, but there was no reason to bring that up in any detail until now. Who knows, maybe what happened the first time provided them with the data they needed to perfect the buffering process.

Also, we should remember that Rush essentially psyched up the whole staff about the possibility of getting home with that chair. I don't think the guy was in his right state of mind when he decided to use it. He was desperate and just wanted to go home.

EllieVee
April 25th, 2010, 08:22 PM
The only problem I have with the episode, aside from the C4 misuse, is that the chair is all of a sudden usable. WTF? They have a short scene about how they use the computer to buffer the information going in like they could have done this all along but didnt, dont you think that guy is gonna feel like a complete moron if/when he wakes up? He's gonna be like, "Man I guess I should have waited a couple weeks or done a little more research before I sat in a chair that has always proven to be an almost certain death sentence."

He's going to especially feel like a moron when he remembers he told Eli that Rush was working on a program. This is clearly it but perhaps you forgot about that scene.


Personally I didnt have a problem with the two stories being mixed together, I mean I dont wanna watch a whole episode about Rush ignoring his dying wife, we all know him as heartless and I think this is supposed to be him taking steps to becoming better or something. So we get to hate him more during this and then we get to love him later on. If you make the audience hate him so much its beyond repair then you defeat the purpose of the entire episode.

I just love the way probies come in and speak for all of fandom.

Lahela
April 25th, 2010, 11:08 PM
He didn't have a name. A person that minimal will be in the end credits

That's what I meant ;)




He's apparently someone from Riese the Series. A producer? I read it somewhere, maybe on Twitter.

ETA: Wormholeriders says his name is Kristian Arye.

Thanks Ellie :)

vszulc
April 26th, 2010, 02:04 AM
I just love the way probies come in and speak for all of fandom.

Hey now... People can't help when they signed up... Well actually they can, but you know what I'm getting at. ;)

Personally I found the episode average. And I actually enjoyed Chloe in this episode. Scott was sort of a background character, which served him well, Greer didn't get as much on my nerves as he usually does, something that actually goes for most characters in this episode, which I guess is an improvement, lol! The only exception is Eli. Man what a snivelling, *****y little man-boy he's turning out to be. That scene where he sits away from Chloe in the mess, and then acts like a pissed off high school girlfriend when she comes over to talk to him, absolutely takes the prize as worst emo-hissy fit of the year.

I'm expecting a storyline about how Eli cuts himself, cause it feels so good when it hurts, any day now.
(Would also be a great way to showcase Youngs fatherly side)

PG15
April 26th, 2010, 02:59 AM
You call that a hissy fit? All he did was sit there and say very little in a somewhat annoyed tone.

Daro
April 26th, 2010, 03:04 AM
Hey now... People can't help when they signed up... Well actually they can, but you know what I'm getting at. ;)

Personally I found the episode average. And I actually enjoyed Chloe in this episode. Scott was sort of a background character, which served him well, Greer didn't get as much on my nerves as he usually does, something that actually goes for most characters in this episode, which I guess is an improvement, lol! The only exception is Eli. Man what a snivelling, *****y little man-boy he's turning out to be. That scene where he sits away from Chloe in the mess, and then acts like a pissed off high school girlfriend when she comes over to talk to him, absolutely takes the prize as worst emo-hissy fit of the year.

I'm expecting a storyline about how Eli cuts himself, cause it feels so good when it hurts, any day now.
(Would also be a great way to showcase Youngs fatherly side)

I don't think Young does Eli much good anymore. At first I thought he'd kind of get him into shape, physically and mentally. But that hasn't happened. Since Young took Eli under his wing, Eli has gotten worse, not better, because he is busy trying to please someone else. He reacts to emergencies and pulls out his brain for them, but otherwise, he can't be bothered. Too busy being a child, still. Rush so far has refused to order Eli about much. He's tried, and can see that Eli is not interested in applying himself much, despite the grave situation they are all in. Eli is disillusioned with Rush; he will eventually be disillusioned with Young (what it will take, who knows?) Once Eli is not living his life strictly on the whims of Chloe, Young, Rush, or anyone else specifically, maybe he can start to grow up. Hope that time comes soon, I've also had it with his childishness. All the other characters are growing, even ones that are less central than him. I'm eager to see the writers move Eli forward in a meaningful way, not just telling us who he's decided to whine about this week.

vszulc
April 26th, 2010, 03:04 AM
A passive aggressive hissy fit. It's not often a grown man can channel a high school girl like that, but Eli pulls it off effortlessly. I was expecting him to go "And mark my words... You'll NEVER get on the cheerleading squad!" any moment...

Saquist
April 26th, 2010, 07:55 AM
His attitude (and much of it so far on SGU) was very reminiscent Aiden when he said to Mckay:



Definetly not something that ingratiates you to sci-fi viewers, in fact its a little ugly imo.

BINGO.
That's a good word for it. Ugly.
You're in a tense situation and he thinks its a good time to drive a wedge further between him and the militar and this one civilian was ON his side.
Greer just comes off Jerkish some time.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2010, 07:56 AM
Well, stop the world from spinnin' and let me off! I actually enjoyed an SGU episode! ;) Of course, I came to dislike Rush a little more...ignoring his dying wife...I mean who is that heartless? Anyway, I enjoyed the episode.

Briangate78
April 26th, 2010, 08:09 AM
Well, stop the world from spinnin' and let me off! I actually enjoyed an SGU episode! ;) Of course, I came to dislike Rush a little more...ignoring his dying wife...I mean who is that heartless? Anyway, I enjoyed the episode.

I don't think he ignored his wife in reality or how it originally played out. This was a revisit of his past that he went through. He was not trying to ignore his wife, he was revisiting it while trying to crack the code of the Destiny. Daniel, the classroom scenes, and his wife scenes did not originally happen like that. He loved his wife and he did not want to go through that again. Daniel and his Wife I believe were Destiny giving him clues, or were his subconscious mind trying to unlock Destiny's code.

If you listen to the conversation with his wife in the hospital. She tells him about his behavior as of late, and that is not the man she fell in love with, and to stop taking it out on other people. We now know why Rush is bitter and only time will make him less bitter.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2010, 08:13 AM
I don't think he ignored his wife in reality or how it originally played out. This was a revisit of his past that he went through. He was not trying to ignore his wife, he was revisiting it while trying to crack the code of the Destiny. Daniel, the classroom scenes, and his wife scenes did not originally happen like that. He loved his wife and he did not want to go through that again. Daniel and his Wife I believe were Destiny giving him clues, or were his subconscious mind trying to unlock Destiny's code.

If you listen to the conversation with his wife in the hospital. She tells him about his behavior as of late, and that is not the man she fell in love with. We now know why Rush is bitter and only time will make him less bitter.

Yes...this may be true...however...still made me see him as heartless...

jelgate
April 26th, 2010, 08:19 AM
I don't think he ignored his wife in reality or how it originally played out. This was a revisit of his past that he went through. He was not trying to ignore his wife, he was revisiting it while trying to crack the code of the Destiny. Daniel, the classroom scenes, and his wife scenes did not originally happen like that. He loved his wife and he did not want to go through that again. Daniel and his Wife I believe were Destiny giving him clues, or were his subconscious mind trying to unlock Destiny's code.

If you listen to the conversation with his wife in the hospital. She tells him about his behavior as of late, and that is not the man she fell in love with, and to stop taking it out on other people. We now know why Rush is bitter and only time will make him less bitter.
Wasn't their a scene that Rush said the first time he wan't there for Gloria the first time she died because he was caught up in his work. That was kind of the point of all this. He felt so guilty for not being able to say goodbye to her.

Briangate78
April 26th, 2010, 08:28 AM
Wasn't their a scene that Rush said the first time he wan't there for Gloria the first time she died because he was caught up in his work. That was kind of the point of all this. He felt so guilty for not being able to say goodbye to her.

He said that he had been through this already, and his work was his way of coping with the pain.

rushy
April 26th, 2010, 08:42 AM
Well, why did Franklin get to be cut by those electrodes and Rush was unharmed? I hope that Franklin wakes up from his coma soon. He's gonna have a party:WHAT?! BLUE SPACE ALIENS?! YOUNG MAROONED RUSH?! SPENCER MADE SUICIDE?! ELI, CHLOE, GREER AND SCOTT WERE LEFT BEHIND BY ACCIDENT?! RUSH SAT IN THE CHAIR AND DIDN'T GOT CUT?! YOU FOUND AN ARTIFICIAL PLANET?! CAINE AND SOME OTHER GUYS STAYED BEHIND?! WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED?! RUSH GOT THE BASIS FOR A CODE?! OH MY... Franklin fells back into his coma for another 4 episodes.

jelgate
April 26th, 2010, 08:53 AM
He said that he had been through this already, and his work was his way of coping with the pain.

Then we have to wonder what he meant by going through. The part about seeing Gloria die or the way he responded to Gloria dying like he did in Human?

SG7
April 26th, 2010, 09:04 AM
Wasn't their a scene that Rush said the first time he wan't there for Gloria the first time she died because he was caught up in his work. That was kind of the point of all this. He felt so guilty for not being able to say goodbye to her.

I could be wrong on this, but I think that after this episode, we are going to see a completely changed Rush.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2010, 09:18 AM
I could be wrong on this, but I think that after this episode, we are going to see a completely changed Rush.

And next...we'll see walking on water! ;)

Saquist
April 26th, 2010, 10:53 AM
I don't think he ignored his wife in reality or how it originally played out. This was a revisit of his past that he went through. He was not trying to ignore his wife, he was revisiting it while trying to crack the code of the Destiny. Daniel, the classroom scenes, and his wife scenes did not originally happen like that. He loved his wife and he did not want to go through that again. Daniel and his Wife I believe were Destiny giving him clues, or were his subconscious mind trying to unlock Destiny's code.

If you listen to the conversation with his wife in the hospital. She tells him about his behavior as of late, and that is not the man she fell in love with, and to stop taking it out on other people. We now know why Rush is bitter and only time will make him less bitter.

Sir,
Did they say he did something similar when it actually happened. Didn't rush admit to Jackson that he was too caught up in his work and he wasn't there for his wife? Isn't that why they showed us because Jackson says why wouldn't you do it differently

ArchaeoNerd
April 26th, 2010, 11:49 AM
But but but....archeologists are cool! Like Indiana Jones. :cool:

Hear, hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ArchaeoNerd

senatorincitatus
April 26th, 2010, 12:11 PM
Anybody catch the name of the guy that played the blond student in Rush's class (the one who answered the question about Shor's Algorithm)? There are no extras for the ep listed on IMDb or GW...

Chad Krowchuk. He played Gordie in the SG-1 ep Citizen Joe.

Lahela
April 26th, 2010, 12:14 PM
Chad Krowchuk. He played Gordie in the SG-1 ep Citizen Joe.

That's him! Thankyou! :D

carmencatalina
April 26th, 2010, 02:00 PM
On re-watching the episode, I'm struck by how often we hear the sound of a door closing in this episode. Rush is constantly closing doors, often between himself and his wife, or opening a door. And of course, the mental "key" that he and Brody set up for ending the lucid dream is a door, that he has to open and go through.

It just struck me as a sad metaphor for his relationship with his wife - all those doors closing.

Ziel
April 26th, 2010, 02:43 PM
I thought that this was a very good episode. Great Rush - centric episode to explore one of the franchise's most interesting characters.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 26th, 2010, 03:04 PM
My thoughts on the episode. It was a brilliant episode for RC. Really enjoyed it, however not quite as much as "Faith".

The one thing that is beginnig to irratate me about the show is how they have a plot and then don't tie up the loose ends. We find out in last weeks episode that TJ was pregnant, and this week there is no mention of it. No "awkward scene" of her breaking it to Young (or others on the ship that she has not yet told) that she was pregnant. I just hope it isn't some hoky thing where suddenly one week she is discussing baby stuff with him with no prior scene or line(s) of dialogue of her telling him she's pregnant.

Wanted to put my fist through the TV when I was left with only a couple of minutes of the episode and realized that it would have to be a 2 parter!!!!! :(:(
In an episodic adventure, it would have been dealt with right then in that episode but SGU is a different kind of storytelling altogether. Will TJ deal with it? Most likely, but it will be on her own terms. If she didn't look/sound sick, she likely wouldn't have let Chloe know. If she didn't need to explain why she didn't want to leave, she likely never would have told Scott. TJ strikes me as a very private sort of person, and I don;t think she's likely to go blabbing all over the ship that she's pregnant. I sure don't think she'd appreciate it being blabbed. On the flip side, I doubt Chloe would break her confidence and Scott never would.


Thats kind of the point of SGU. Not everything gets solved in 42 minutes. The storylines just get developed and may continue in the next episode
yep, like that ^^ :)


Hmmm, Eli definitely has the insight Rush doesn't, but he's not quite as knowledgeable and really, at the end of the day, he lacks the drive. Rush will throw his life into something, willing to give whatever it takes to get the answer. And while that may lead him to morally questionable actions at times, at least you can't doubt his dedication. Eli, on the other hand, only seems interested in putting his mind to work when he's ordered to or when it means something fun and exciting. I can see why Rush was so bitter that young Mr. Wallace stole the glory from him at Icarus.There are people that can be really smart, can be geniuses even, but they don't have the experience or maturity to cope with what they have. Eli falls into this category. He's incredibly gifted, but because it's a gift, and because he's still a kid, he doesn't put the work into it that someone else that has to try harder would do. I think all of us likely know someone for which something comes so easily to them that they don';t look at it as work and have no understanding of why it is so hard for you. I appreciate Blue's acting here. He's portraying a kid just like that, and one that, most likely until very recently, has never HAD to grow up.


He's going to especially feel like a moron when he remembers he told Eli that Rush was working on a program. This is clearly it but perhaps you forgot about that scene.



I just love the way probies come in and speak for all of fandom.
I think that counts for more than just the very new. Assumptions about fandom can be made all over :)


Wasn't their a scene that Rush said the first time he wan't there for Gloria the first time she died because he was caught up in his work. That was kind of the point of all this. He felt so guilty for not being able to say goodbye to her.that broke my heart when she said that, pointing out to him that he hadn't really been there the first time. The terrible guilt he must feel :(


On re-watching the episode, I'm struck by how often we hear the sound of a door closing in this episode. Rush is constantly closing doors, often between himself and his wife, or opening a door. And of course, the mental "key" that he and Brody set up for ending the lucid dream is a door, that he has to open and go through.

It just struck me as a sad metaphor for his relationship with his wife - all those doors closing.what an incredible observation! And yes, I do hear that. It's as though the Destiny is constantly giving him the option to leave, or let him open doors on his own

garhkal
April 26th, 2010, 04:29 PM
Once Eli is not living his life strictly on the whims of Chloe, Young, Rush, or anyone else specifically, maybe he can start to grow up. Hope that time comes soon, I've also had it with his childishness. All the other characters are growing, even ones that are less central than him. I'm eager to see the writers move Eli forward in a meaningful way, not just telling us who he's decided to whine about this week.

While i don't think eli is that childish, i do agree he needs to grow up and start showing more initiative and drive.


Well, why did Franklin get to be cut by those electrodes and Rush was unharmed?

Perhaps franklin had a episode of shaking, or is epileptic.

BobbyScars
April 26th, 2010, 04:58 PM
I just love the way probies come in and speak for all of fandom.

LOL that is cold, I may be a Probie here but Ill tell you right now I am not a newb on many other sites I am apart of. Besides, you dont have to have the experience if you are right. :P LMFAO!!!

Coronach
April 26th, 2010, 05:07 PM
Rush was unharmed because (after Franklin's episode in the chair) he put a buffer in place in order to protect the user from information overload, as a regular human brain cannot handle what an Ancient brain can.

Here's from the transcript:


WALLACE: How does this new interface work?

BRODY: We created a buffer to slow down the transfer of information. We also limited the connection to a narrow range of the subject's subconscious. That should protect the vast majority of his brain. Now, worst case, we hope only the memories that we targeted could be lost. If it works, the data stored in the ship's computer should be made available to Rush through a dream.

Jumper_One
April 26th, 2010, 07:56 PM
E writes: “In “Human” – holding the gate open by sticking something into the event horizon would’ve given the rescue team only 38 minutes, but why didn’t they even try?”

Answer: In Air III, delaying the jump by having Eli stick his arm through the gate bought Scott and Greer the time they needed to reach the gate. In the case of the trapped team in Human, it was pretty clear that the time required would have far exceeded the 38 minute window.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/april-26-2010-its-an-all-mailbag-blog-entry/

SG7
April 26th, 2010, 09:06 PM
In an episodic adventure, it would have been dealt with right then in that episode but SGU is a different kind of storytelling altogether. Will TJ deal with it? Most likely, but it will be on her own terms. If she didn't look/sound sick, she likely wouldn't have let Chloe know. If she didn't need to explain why she didn't want to leave, she likely never would have told Scott. TJ strikes me as a very private sort of person, and I don;t think she's likely to go blabbing all over the ship that she's pregnant. I sure don't think she'd appreciate it being blabbed. On the flip side, I doubt Chloe would break her confidence and Scott never would.

I guess you're right. I am so used to the way SG1 and SGA was, that I half expected SGU to be the same. But it makes sense that everything doesn't get wrapped up in a nice neat package in the 40 somthing odd minutes. Agreed about TJ. She does seem more of a private person. And I too got the impression that if she didn't have to, she wouldn't have said anything to anyone until she absolutely had to. Unfortunately Chloe saw her getting sick, so she had to tell her, otherwise Chloe may have mentioned to others that something was wrong with TJ. As for Scott. Again I get the impression that the only reason that she told him was so that he wouldn't think that she had lost her marbles in wanting to stay on the planet.

I have a feeling that it is going to be tough for her to explain to others about her pregnancy, just because I do feel that she seems more private than some of the others. And if it is Young's kid that will be all that much harder for her. Especially knowing that their "fling" has been over for a while and the awkwardness that is sure to be the fallout of her telling him, is not going to be good for her. I can definately see her struggling with being pregnant, having to face Young all the time, and being the ships only medical person who is pregnant and having to also deal with all the medical issues on the ship. Granted if they keep loosing people off the ship, then the amount of people that she'd have to take care of medical wise, wouldn't be too much problem after a while.

Sadly I feel that the conditions in which she will go through her pregnancy, will cause her to either miscarry or something happen to the baby where it doesn't live. Let's face it, being on that ship isn't exactly doing wonders for everyone on that ship. They are basically barely surviving. I can only imagine what affect it will have on TJ's unborn child.

The_DrRodneyMckay
April 26th, 2010, 11:50 PM
I have never been a big fan of Dr Jackson, not that I hated him, but I loved his reaction when Rush said he wasn't really there. It was just the chair doing it but I can imagine the real Jackson reacting that way. It wouldn't be the craziest thing he has ever heard and he might just except it and follow along. I just thought it was funny.

EllieVee
April 27th, 2010, 02:56 AM
LOL that is cold, I may be a Probie here but Ill tell you right now I am not a newb on many other sites I am apart of. Besides, you dont have to have the experience if you are right. :P LMFAO!!!

Counts for nothing. You don't speak for fandom; you speak only for yourself.

FallenAngelII
April 27th, 2010, 06:45 AM
You know what, I'm beginning to really enjoy SGU. It started out a bit shaky and for weeks there, there was always something for me to hate with each new episode (though I still enjoyed the majority of them).

But this episode is yet another episode where SGU just "goes there", another episode which made me completely fall in love with the show again. Because it's a sci-fi show, yet it still goes "there".

What's "there"? Two words: "Light" and "Human".

Episodes where there are next-to or actually no action, episodes driven by character development, inter-character relationships and interactions, emotional drama. SGU is a Sci-Fi Drama (like almost every single other Sci-Fi show out there). Sci-Fi writers often neglect the "drama" part and go all-action-all-the-time and that just ends up being boring to me.

Of course, this type of episode often draws the ire of viewers, most often American, because they aren't used to, especially not on a Sci-Fi show, narratives that are slow, subdued and which rely on character development instead of action. Both episodes begot hate-threads, heck, "Light" begot two (at the very least!)!

But you know what? As a viewer of Japanese and Asian cinema, of a lot of films and television shows that aren't American, where each minute isn't filled with action, where there's not things going on the screen every single second, I welcome these kinds of episodes.

Just because there's a few minutes in an episode where there's not much happening besides two characters sitting around talking doesn't mean those minutes were uneventful! Those characters might just have gotten more character development during those few minutes than they got for the past 10 episodes where they were involved in high-speed action!

"Human" made me cry. I cried when Rush talked with "Gloria" at the end there. There was so much going on in that subdued scene. The emotions on display, the acting, the way they spoke. The actors did their job, they made me feel empathy, sadness and, ultimately, my eyes welled up and a I cried (not bawled, just a few tears).

Because it was good writing, good acting and just darngo**** good everything!

To those who did not like it: Try it sometimes, because, really, if you can only be entertained by a movie/TV show if it's jam-packed full of action, then you really need to broaden your horizons.

MattSilver 3k
April 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
Oh my god, I find myself agreeing with you. Yeah, Human was pretty good, eh?

FallenAngelII
April 27th, 2010, 07:00 AM
Chloe was really good in the episode and really contributed to for once.
God, I get so tired of seeing people saying Chloe was brilliant/really good/epic in an episode where she simply contributed at all.

She wasn't bad! She was good. But "really good"? Really? Hardly. She was great by Chloe standards, but if you compare her contribution to those of the other characters, she didn't do anything special this episode.

She is merely growing into, you know, an actual character. But just because Chloe's starting to contribute just as much as the other main characters doesn't mean she's magically "great" now. She's just good. She's just measuring up to the others. Give her her due, but no need to inflate her status just because she's no longer a wallflower filler.

Coronach
April 27th, 2010, 07:12 AM
I agree as well. :D

yanna
April 27th, 2010, 07:35 AM
His attitude (and much of it so far on SGU) was very reminiscent Aiden when he said to Mckay:


FORD: This is some sort of pay-back for guys like me beating up guys like you in high school, right?

Definetly not something that ingratiates you to sci-fi viewers, in fact its a little ugly imo.

I never liked Ford very much but I never blamed him for that particular line. Zelenka and McKay had been bullying him with their Prime - Not Prime game before he snapped. I loved that part of the Military/Scientist rivalry in SGA. It was also very funny when McKay and Jackson were making fun of Sheppard's claims that he could have been Mensa.

Greer is a different animal. I wasn't mad at him for his overreaction to Eli. I think he was just trying to cover up his fear. I just wonder how on Earth Greer was admitted on the Stargate Programme with such a serious issue.

Moving on to the episode itself, I watched the Rush parts at least 3 times discovering clues and enjoying Carlyle's phenomenal acting. The rest was stupid. Young was immensely stupid to allow Eli to go the planet just as Rush was attempting to fry his brain. The foursome were all stupid to go down to the cave just to retrieve a Kino. Greer was stupid on an epic scale shooting at that spider and I can't believe that Scott, Eli, Greer and Chloe are the Team equivalent for this show... I kinda hope they will stay buried.

carmencatalina
April 27th, 2010, 07:41 AM
Young was immensely stupid to allow Eli to go the planet just as Rush was attempting to fry his brain.

I so agree with this - when I saw that Eli was going down to the planet I was thinking, um, your head scientist is potentially going to end up in a coma and you're letting his backup go sightseeing? Dude.

thekillman
April 27th, 2010, 07:42 AM
i don't like jam.


anyway it's awesome, yes i know.

Sami_
April 27th, 2010, 07:54 AM
I love a good character driven episode but as politely as I can say it, Human was not one of them.

I don't really fault the actors for Human I think they did the best that they could with a poor script, the one part of the episode I thought was almost good was when Rush got up at the table and held his wifes hand but we could bearly see his expression because the lighting was so bright - a potentially amazing scene completely ruined by ridiculously bad lighting.

DS9 - The Visitor, thats a great character driven piece of science-fiction.

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 27th, 2010, 09:03 AM
You know what, I'm beginning to really enjoy SGU. It started out a bit shaky and for weeks there, there was always something for me to hate with each new episode (though I still enjoyed the majority of them).

But this episode is yet another episode where SGU just "goes there", another episode which made me completely fall in love with the show again. Because it's a sci-fi show, yet it still goes "there".

What's "there"? Two words: "Light" and "Human".

Episodes where there are next-to or actually no action, episodes driven by character development, inter-character relationships and interactions, emotional drama. SGU is a Sci-Fi Drama (like almost every single other Sci-Fi show out there). Sci-Fi writers often neglect the "drama" part and go all-action-all-the-time and that just ends up being boring to me.

Of course, this type of episode often draws the ire of viewers, most often American, because they aren't used to, especially not on a Sci-Fi show, narratives that are slow, subdued and which rely on character development instead of action. Both episodes begot hate-threads, heck, "Light" begot two (at the very least!)!

But you know what? As a viewer of Japanese and Asian cinema, of a lot of films and television shows that aren't American, where each minute isn't filled with action, where there's not things going on the screen every single second, I welcome these kinds of episodes.

Just because there's a few minutes in an episode where there's not much happening besides two characters sitting around talking doesn't mean those minutes were uneventful! Those characters might just have gotten more character development during those few minutes than they got for the past 10 episodes where they were involved in high-speed action!

"Human" made me cry. I cried when Rush talked with "Gloria" at the end there. There was so much going on in that subdued scene. The emotions on display, the acting, the way they spoke. The actors did their job, they made me feel empathy, sadness and, ultimately, my eyes welled up and a I cried (not bawled, just a few tears).

Because it was good writing, good acting and just darngo**** good everything!

To those who did not like it Try it sometimes, because, really, if you can only be entertained by a movie/TV show if it's jam-packed full of action, then you really need to broaden your horizons.



You know amazingly I agree with you, however I do take issue with the bolded part. There's plenty of Asian cinema filled with action, I'm thinking particular Hong Kong films, a certain Mr John Woo started out there. I think films like Hard Boiled and the Killer managed to rack up more action than 10 American action films put together. Let's not get snooty and declare all American tv to be mindless action, and not delude ourselves that only Hollywood produces action films.

Neither should action be regarded as something that a sophisticated tv show can't have, plenty of gunfights in the Wire and that didn't stop it being the most praised tv show of all time. However what it did, and what I think SGU does is make sure that the story isn't playing second fiddle to the action. They are telling a story over the course of the series and the action comes at appropriate points in the stories, rather than tptb shoehorning it into every episode as if to fulfil some quota.

Lord Hurin
April 27th, 2010, 09:03 AM
Yes, yes, YES! This ep made me feel for Rush, and also made me do a complete 180 on Louise Lombard's acting skills. Damn CSI for casting doubt over her abilities!

Just to kind of play Devil's Advocate here though: I think this kind of show needs a balance. Not all action, not all drama but a sort of fusion of the two. From the sounds of things though,

we should be getting some action in the last few episodes of the season.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 27th, 2010, 09:10 AM
You know amazingly I agree with you, however I do take issue with the bolded part. There's plenty of Asian cinema filled with action, I'm thinking particular Hong Kong films, a certain Mr John Woo started out there. I think films like Hard Boiled and the Killer managed to rack up more action than 10 American action films put together. Let's not get snooty and declare all American tv to be mindless action, and not delude ourselves that only Hollywood produces action films.

Neither should action be regarded as something that a sophisticated tv show can't have, plenty of gunfights in the Wire and that didn't stop it being the most praised tv show of all time. However what it did, and what I think SGU does is make sure that the story isn't playing second fiddle to the action. They are telling a story over the course of the series and the action comes at appropriate points in the stories, rather than tptb shoehorning it into every episode as if to fulfil some quota.
assumptions are always bad :)
I have to applaud TPTB for not going that route. I hope they stay true to the story they're letting unfold

SG7
April 27th, 2010, 10:14 AM
Yes, yes, YES! This ep made me feel for Rush, and also made me do a complete 180 on Louise Lombard's acting skills. Damn CSI for casting doubt over her abilities!

Just to kind of play Devil's Advocate here though: I think this kind of show needs a balance. Not all action, not all drama but a sort of fusion of the two. From the sounds of things though,

we should be getting some action in the last few episodes of the season.

Agreed! Sometimes an actor/actress is ether given something crappy or barely anything to work with in regards to the writing. If you have bad writing, then it makes all that much more difficault for an actor to translate that into a good scene. Bad writing will still be bad writing. And personally I think that SGU has had some fantastic writing thus far into the series.

We don't need to have a lot of action in every episode for it to be good. Just like we don't need to have every episode be completely filled with drama and character development. Finding the balance is what makes a show a top notch show!

SG7
April 27th, 2010, 10:21 AM
Neither should action be regarded as something that a sophisticated tv show can't have, plenty of gunfights in the Wire and that didn't stop it being the most praised tv show of all time. However what it did, and what I think SGU does is make sure that the story isn't playing second fiddle to the action. They are telling a story over the course of the series and the action comes at appropriate points in the stories, rather than tptb shoehorning it into every episode as if to fulfil some quota.

Point well said! I think that TPTB have found a nice balance of action and story/character development. And it does not feel as though they are cramming one or the other in to fill a quota. In watching "Faith", I have seen some of the best acting I have ever seen portrayed by Alaina Huffman. And yet it was not anything long and drawn out. Just her portraying the anguish that she is dealing with of being alone and pregnant, and on a ship millions of light years from home, and with the possibility of it being with the man that she ended an affair with a few month earlier.

And we then have before that, "Divided" where we see "Military" vs "civillian" and some of the action that came from that. We have a balance between the action and the drama/character development. With neither seeming to be forced into "specific" spots for what ever reasons (quota's etc)

Replicator Todd
April 27th, 2010, 10:24 AM
Human was good, but if every episode was like this I would loose interest fast.

s09119
April 27th, 2010, 10:39 AM
You know what, I'm beginning to really enjoy SGU. It started out a bit shaky and for weeks there, there was always something for me to hate with each new episode (though I still enjoyed the majority of them).

But this episode is yet another episode where SGU just "goes there", another episode which made me completely fall in love with the show again. Because it's a sci-fi show, yet it still goes "there".

What's "there"? Two words: "Light" and "Human".

Episodes where there are next-to or actually no action, episodes driven by character development, inter-character relationships and interactions, emotional drama. SGU is a Sci-Fi Drama (like almost every single other Sci-Fi show out there). Sci-Fi writers often neglect the "drama" part and go all-action-all-the-time and that just ends up being boring to me.

Of course, this type of episode often draws the ire of viewers, most often American, because they aren't used to, especially not on a Sci-Fi show, narratives that are slow, subdued and which rely on character development instead of action. Both episodes begot hate-threads, heck, "Light" begot two (at the very least!)!

But you know what? As a viewer of Japanese and Asian cinema, of a lot of films and television shows that aren't American, where each minute isn't filled with action, where there's not things going on the screen every single second, I welcome these kinds of episodes.

Just because there's a few minutes in an episode where there's not much happening besides two characters sitting around talking doesn't mean those minutes were uneventful! Those characters might just have gotten more character development during those few minutes than they got for the past 10 episodes where they were involved in high-speed action!

"Human" made me cry. I cried when Rush talked with "Gloria" at the end there. There was so much going on in that subdued scene. The emotions on display, the acting, the way they spoke. The actors did their job, they made me feel empathy, sadness and, ultimately, my eyes welled up and a I cried (not bawled, just a few tears).

Because it was good writing, good acting and just darngo**** good everything!

To those who did not like it: Try it sometimes, because, really, if you can only be entertained by a movie/TV show if it's jam-packed full of action, then you really need to broaden your horizons.

Wait, is this a FallenAngel post actually praising SGU!? The Apocalypse is upon us!

But seriously, glad you're finally starting to enjoy it :D

carmencatalina
April 27th, 2010, 10:42 AM
I just finished lecturing to my class - at one point I asked a question covered in last week's lecture. No answer. The temptation to shout "Then what good are you? Get out!" was nearly overwhelming. However, I refrained.

Professor Rush - not always the best role model.

SG7
April 27th, 2010, 10:47 AM
Human was good, but if every episode was like this I would loose interest fast.

Agreed. Hense why I love that SGU to me has seemed to find the balance between the action and the character development/drama.

I too would loose interest fast if all we had was one or the other.