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April 1st, 2010, 08:56 AM
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The crew finds a idyllic planet when <I>Destiny</I> stops without its countdown clock running, tempting some crew members to stay permanently.

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TheRandomOne
April 16th, 2010, 07:03 PM
After being disappointed with Space and Divided, my faith in this show is restored.

Be worried dude Young just gave most of the non military personnel a reason to kick him out again & even the medic might turn on him next time

striker7770
April 16th, 2010, 07:03 PM
it was good, but im getting a little tired of not explaining a damn thing, or at least showing us somthing cool or unexpected at the ending montage

also, REPAIR BOTs

TheRandomOne
April 16th, 2010, 07:03 PM
it was the first Off-World Episode we got to see in the second half of the season. hopefully we'll see more off-world episode. i love off-world episodes.

Not just that it was just refreshing seeing everyone be nice to each other for once

Coronach
April 16th, 2010, 07:04 PM
Not just that it was just refreshing seeing everyone be nice to each other for once

Oh, I definitely agree. That was one of the bigger things I liked about the episode. :)

EllieVee
April 16th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Do we know how much time there is between Divided and Faith? Not much I assume given what Jel said about Rush's state of disrepair?

TheRandomOne
April 16th, 2010, 07:06 PM
Oh, I definitely agree. That was one of the bigger things I liked about the episode. :)

Even Greer was tolerable & with this experience he may learn to be nicer lol

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 07:07 PM
I'll admit I'm annoyed there isn't a folder for this episode yet.

but this episode is my FAVORITE of the series so far. I love it!

MattZat
April 16th, 2010, 07:08 PM
In that last exchange between Rush and Young, when he mentioned he liked to play chess, did anyone else pick up on the subtle double-meaning there, as if Young made his attempt at a joke ("Hey look I can be a nice guy") but then reminded Rush he's good at what he does ("I still have my eye on you, and I am ready to make the next move if you ever do"). Or was I reading way too much into it? :)

EllieVee
April 16th, 2010, 07:09 PM
In that last exchange between Rush and Young, when he mentioned he liked to play chess, did anyone else pick up on the subtle double-meaning there, as if Young made his attempt at a joke ("Hey look I can be a nice guy") but then reminded Rush he's good at what he does ("I still have my eye on you, and I am ready to make the next move if you ever do"). Or was I reading way too much into it? :)

Their chess games will become bitter battlegrounds, I can see it now.

TheRandomOne
April 16th, 2010, 07:10 PM
In that last exchange between Rush and Young, when he mentioned he liked to play chess, did anyone else pick up on the subtle double-meaning there, as if Young made his attempt at a joke ("Hey look I can be a nice guy") but then reminded Rush he's good at what he does ("I still have my eye on you, and I am ready to make the next move if you ever do"). Or was I reading way too much into it? :)

In my opinion with Young forcing everyone to go back to the Destiny they both know the non military now have a reason to try & get Young out of command again & Young is expecting it now

Coronach
April 16th, 2010, 07:11 PM
In that last exchange between Rush and Young, when he mentioned he liked to play chess, did anyone else pick up on the subtle double-meaning there, as if Young made his attempt at a joke ("Hey look I can be a nice guy") but then reminded Rush he's good at what he does ("I still have my eye on you, and I am ready to make the next move if you ever do"). Or was I reading way too much into it? :)

Haha, interesting. There might be something to that for sure, though I can't say I picked up on it right away. It's possible, though. :D

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 07:11 PM
I was hoping the stone-guy who was arguing about faith and staying, would stay... and we'd see a clip of him at the end. Aliens coming down... and then we never know what happens.

I think that would have been a much better ending.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 16th, 2010, 07:13 PM
Hey what did they do with Senator Armstrong's Body? Cause wasn't he in the damaged shuttle?

Coronach
April 16th, 2010, 07:14 PM
By the way, was it ever said who ended up staying behind? I mean, I just assumed Dr. Caine (and a couple others?) stayed behind due to not seeing them get off the shuttle...but is that right?

Just want to make sure I'm not going crazy and didn't miss some mention of this. :S

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 07:14 PM
Hey what did they do with Senator Armstrong's Body?

The vacuum of space persevered it... and they needed food. Soo....

They ate it.

J-Whitt Remastered
April 16th, 2010, 07:16 PM
Does anyone else really wish they hadn't showed the alien obelisk in the previews? That would have been a much bigger shock if we hadn't already seen the damn thing.

I'd never seen it in the previews. So it was a good shock for me. I leaned all the way in for that. Makes me think of the Preserver Obelisk that Captain Kirk found on that planet with the Native American Indians in Star Trek TOS.


How come that food hasn't spoiled yet?

One question that pops into EVERYONE'S mind, but of course it should NEVER be asked!


I suppose I read too much news, but when I saw Chloe swimming all I could think of 'do you really know what's in the water with you' like leeches with teeth?? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100415-new-species-t-rex-leech-orifices/

I was thinking along the same line. I was worried more about unknown bacteria that could swim into... openings and cause infections. Space herpes anyone? I don't think Scott would like that much!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 16th, 2010, 07:16 PM
How can space preserve a body.

Yoshi442
April 16th, 2010, 07:17 PM
I was hoping the stone-guy who was arguing about faith and staying, would stay... and we'd see a clip of him at the end. Aliens coming down... and then we never know what happens.

I think that would have been a much better ending.

That would've defeated the purpose of the episode. Either you have faith or you don't. Having one side or the other proven right moves it from faith to fact. I, personally, was with the guy who said there is no god/fate/master plan--but we and they will never know.

As for whether anyone stayed, I wasn't clear on that.

Briangate78
April 16th, 2010, 07:19 PM
Not a bad episode. It had some exploration and it peeked some interest in these possible aliens. Not the best ep of the series, but it had it's moments. Would give it a B or 8/10 for keeping interest and making it feel like old school SG with forested planets and exploration. :p

Characters

T.J. was very real in this episode, excellent peformance. Chloe was Chloe sadly, lol. Eli was pushed to the background but had a nice scene with Wray. Young is really trying to make things work, and he even is starting to reach out a hand to Rush, and Rush smirks after Young leaves the room. So it is good they are working things out.

Greer was good how he handled the civillian vs military thing about digging trenches.

Scott just annoyed me in this episode, but won't get into that now, lol.

Plot

Always love exploration and finding out new planets and aliens and old civilliazations of aliens. It is what made Stargate, Stargate pretty much. I am sure this episode plot will be revisited later in the show, if not then this episode was pretty much a waste except for letting us know about TJ and the other characters.

Anyway to sum it all, I sorta had a feeling this ep would not be as exciting as the last two, so when you shoot low and the show ends up low it is not a dissapointing. I was intrigued by the story and some of the character moments, so that is a win in my book. Still not a very strong ep, but I don't expect them all to be.

Final Score: B

Peace!

Loheat
April 16th, 2010, 07:19 PM
This episode was major snoresville, I really expected something to happen, but nothing actually did. Guess it was interesting, but I just came out of it going "WTF?"

So who exactly stayed behind, did I miss where they explained that?

FoX-1028
April 16th, 2010, 07:21 PM
Good episode. I didnt liked that they didnt explained absolutely NOTHING about the planet/star & the light coming out from the obelysk... and what they did with the senator body :(
Greer was awesome in this ep XD!! my fav character after Rush.

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 07:24 PM
If aliens did indeed make this solar system, they're probably the power-fullest we've come across on all of stargate.

I'd bet they're not hostile though.

That planet... just doesn't seem like it could be made by a violent race. It was just too beautiful.

joeynox
April 16th, 2010, 07:25 PM
i enjoyed the episode alot but i do wish they would have shown voldker at the obelisk or had scott and greer scout the area.

also a little more ship exploration would have been good. aweseome we have transformers on board

EllieVee
April 16th, 2010, 07:25 PM
Not a bad episode. It had some exploration and it peeked some interest in these possible aliens. Not the best ep of the series, but it had it's moments. Would give it a B or 8/10 for keeping interest and making it feel like old school SG with forested planets and exploration. :p

Characters

T.J. was very real in this episode, excellent peformance. Chloe was Chloe sadly, lol. Eli was pushed to the background but had a nice scene with Wray. Young is really trying to make things work, and he even is starting to reach out a hand to Rush, and Rush smirks after Young leaves the room. So it is good they are working things out.

Greer was good how he handled the civillian vs military thing about digging trenches.

Scott just annoyed me in this episode, but won't get into that now, lol.

Plot

Always love exploration and finding out new planets and aliens and old civilliazations of aliens. It is what made Stargate, Stargate pretty much. I am sure this episode plot will be revisited later in the show, if not then this episode was pretty much a waste except for letting us know about TJ and the other characters.

Anyway to sum it all, I sorta had a feeling this ep would not be as exciting as the last two, so when you shoot low and the show ends up low it is not a dissapointing. I was intrigued by the story and some of the character moments, so that is a win in my book. Still not a very strong ep, but I don't expect them all to be.

Final Score: B

Peace!

You should put that in the reviews, Brian. That's really interesting. Young seems to be realising that people don't think he's been doing a good job. You'd think last week would have clued him in, though.

Yoshi442
April 16th, 2010, 07:27 PM
Good episode. I didnt liked that they didnt explained absolutely NOTHING about the planet/star & the light coming out from the obelysk... and what they did with the senator body :(
Greer was awesome in this ep XD!! my fav character after Rush.

I'm also curious about the senator's body. But as to the other, giving answers would again defeat the purpose of the episode like I said earlier regarding finding out if aliens actually show up.

GATEGOD
April 16th, 2010, 07:27 PM
I liked this episode. The more technologically advanced aliens out there the better in my opinion. In Stargate Atlantis it seemed like forever before we met any alien races more advanced then us. All were mostly on par with us or less so for the most part. I like the idea of more advanced aliens roaming around *crosses fingers for the furlings* Heh.

Only things that I had a problem with were these three things. 1) Suddenly everyone thinks god is involved... 2) Chloe wanted to stay, just because she's a main character she magically at the last moment came aboard anyway? Why did she go down in the first place, the shuttle can't hold that many people and she has no scientific skills... [Now I sound like i'm bashing chloe but I like her it's just she shouldn't have been down there in the first place and once she was and decided to stay she should have, her not staying just makes the entire idea stupid. Why was she staying then so she could be with tj?... That's not good.] 3) That guy who was in charge of the stones last episodes choosing to stay behind, he was a strong guest star now we'll never be able to see him again until he magically reappears on the alien ship with these aliens if that ever happens.

Regardless I can't wait to watch it again. A very solid 8/10 in my opinion.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 07:29 PM
I liked the episode but I thought it lacked some explanations. I think that there is an Ancient watching the crew. Prob watching Icarus cuz they were curious how the Destiny is fairing and went through the gate with them. But my theory still doesn't really explain what the obelisk was for. I am really hoping that this is revisited in the future.

MFA
April 16th, 2010, 07:30 PM
what do u think do you think the planet was a lifeline?

Not sure about a lifeline … but was wondering if it was created by the aliens from Space and Divided ... I mean, they saw into Chloe and Rush's minds, so it stand to reason that they would know what Earth is like, they want Destiny ... maybe this was some type of plan to get everyone off Destiny and onto the planet.

They did say the planet was much more developed than it should have been with that type star so it stands to reason that it would have been created recently ... the only trouble with this theory is would they have had time to "read" Rush's mind and maybe Chloe's and then create the planet?

Anyway, that's just my theory …

Will definitely have to go back and watch this episode again – missed the glowing obelisk and didn't catch everything about the chess game, I'm sure I've missed more – kind of easy to do with a toddler running around :)

Iffy
April 16th, 2010, 07:33 PM
Where were the animals and bugs? That right there seems to me to be big red flag. Lot's of plants but what about animals?

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 07:34 PM
I liked the episode but I thought it lacked some explanations. I think that there is an Ancient watching the crew. Prob watching Icarus cuz they were curious how the Destiny is fairing and went through the gate with them. But my theory still doesn't really explain what the obelisk was for. I am really hoping that this is revisited in the future.

That undermines the whole point of the episode in having faith about the unknown if we know everything about the planet.

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 07:35 PM
3) That guy who was in charge of the stones last episodes choosing to stay behind, he was a strong guest star now we'll never be able to see him again until he magically reappears on the alien ship with these aliens if that ever happens.

This wasn't made clear if he stayed behind or not.

We don't know yet.

But he wasn't seen with the rest of the group, or eating at the tables.


Where were the animals and bugs? That right there seems to me to be big red flag. Lot's of plants but what about animals?

The creators didn't put animals on it. that's my guess?

Briangate78
April 16th, 2010, 07:36 PM
You should put that in the reviews, Brian. That's really interesting. Young seems to be realising that people don't think he's been doing a good job. You'd think last week would have clued him in, though.

He even took Rush's suggestion about using gunpoint or force. Well he did not do it but he did threathen if the military folks did not return.

After seeing Rush in the preview for next week, I think people are going to start seeing him as a good guy and not this shadey person. If that happens, that will be amazing character development. It's like how I hated Mckay in the beginning but then ended up really liking his character towards the later seasons.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 07:38 PM
That undermines the whole point of the episode in having faith about the unknown if we know everything about the planet.

Them finding out about who made it or whatever wouldn't change the meaning of the episode. I never said they had to find out everything. Anyways I believe that an Ancient did it. Makes sense to me an Ancient was watching Icarus out of curiosity and went through with them.

Coronach
April 16th, 2010, 07:39 PM
This wasn't made clear if he stayed behind or not.

We don't know yet.

But he wasn't seen with the rest of the group, or eating at the tables.

See, this is what I meant in my previous post. It was never said one way or the other who stayed behind. I guess I just inferred that some of them did given the scene on the planet, but maybe this isn't the case?

I do agree that Dr. Caine was a pretty cool supporting character, and it sucks that he's (likely) gone now :(

TheRandomOne
April 16th, 2010, 07:40 PM
I liked the episode but I thought it lacked some explanations. I think that there is an Ancient watching the crew. Prob watching Icarus cuz they were curious how the Destiny is fairing and went through the gate with them. But my theory still doesn't really explain what the obelisk was for. I am really hoping that this is revisited in the future.

If there was an ancient watching over them I would think they would just zap them right home ? I guess if they can make a machine to create & destroy life they have one for planets around the galaxy. Sounds like a potential future Atlantis movie

Briangate78
April 16th, 2010, 07:43 PM
Not a bad episode. It had some exploration and it peeked some interest in these possible aliens. Not the best ep of the series, but it had it's moments. Would give it a B or 8/10 for keeping interest and making it feel like old school SG with forested planets and exploration. :P

Characters

T.J. was very real in this episode, excellent peformance. Chloe was Chloe sadly, lol. Eli was pushed to the background but had a nice scene with Wray. Young is really trying to make things work, and he even is starting to reach out a hand to Rush, and Rush smirks after Young leaves the room. So it is good they are working things out.

Greer was good how he handled the civillian vs military thing about digging trenches.

Scott just annoyed me in this episode, but won't get into that now, lol.

Plot

Always love exploration and finding out new planets and aliens and old civilliazations of aliens. It is what made Stargate, Stargate pretty much. I am sure this episode plot will be revisited later in the show, if not then this episode was pretty much a waste except for letting us know about TJ and the other characters.

Anyway to sum it all, I sorta had a feeling this ep would not be as exciting as the last two, so when you shoot low and the show ends up low it is not as dissapointing. I was intrigued by the story and some of the character moments, so that is a win in my book. Still not a very strong ep, but I don't expect them all to be.

Final Score: B

Peace!

General Jumper One
April 16th, 2010, 07:45 PM
I think that either the blue aliens built that solar system1 or the ascended Ancients built it hoping the they would stay and leave their big science project alone2.
1 = that is what I think
2 = just kidding

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Well, this was just opened... so let's badger us for talking about the episode after it aired almost an hour ago?

Anyways, I think this was THE BEST episode of the series so far. It had no action what so ever, but it didn't need it.

Just the whole premise of this episode I loved. The unknown's. Who made the planet... do we stay behind?

Interesting reveal with the pregnancy.

But I would have liked to have known if anyone stayed behind though. that's bugged me.

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 07:51 PM
Well, this was just opened... so let's badger us for talking about the episode after it aired almost an hour ago?

Anyways, I think this was THE BEST episode of the series so far. It had no action what so ever, but it didn't need it.

Just the whole premise of this episode I loved. The unknown's. Who made the planet... do we stay behind?

Interesting reveal with the pregnancy.

But I would have liked to have known if anyone stayed behind though. that's bugged me.

I would bet on it. People like Dr. Caine seemed very determined that the planet was a higher purpose.

Wouldn't it be cruell if they were right and the people who stayed behind go back to Earth thanks to the aliens.

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 07:54 PM
I would bet on it. People like Dr. Caine seemed very determined that the planet was a higher purpose.

Wouldn't it be cruell if they were right and the people who stayed behind go back to Earth thanks to the aliens.

Watch, down the line somewhere... Dr.Cain will be back working at the SGC.

Maybe even using the stones to talk with the people on destiny. The irony of that would be so funny.

Briangate78
April 16th, 2010, 07:54 PM
I would bet on it. People like Dr. Caine seemed very determined that the planet was a higher purpose.

Wouldn't it be cruell if they were right and the people who stayed behind go back to Earth thanks to the aliens.

That would make things very interesting. They use the stones and find out those people were rescued. OUCH!

EvenstarSRV
April 16th, 2010, 07:55 PM
After the sparks flying and 'I need more power for the shields' space battles of the past couple of episodes, this was a nice change of pace. It was interesting to see the military and civilians kinda maneuvering around each other after Divided, though I would have preferred more dialog as opposed to another musical montage. Really enjoyed the scenes with Eli and Wray, since I think it's the first time we've really seen them talk to each other.

It was also interesting to see Rush so eager to have the military use force to get the people on the planet to cooperate, and good of Young to call him on that. Makes me feel that he basically co-opted Wray and the other civilians' issues with the military for his own purposes in Divided, as opposed to having a principled objection to them himself.

I thought AH did a fantastic job as TJ, great range of emotions and I esp liked her slight smile after Scott says that they're 'stuck' there for a month. Though I can't say I'm too thrilled with the idea of her carrying Young's child, even though I knew this development was coming. I just wished that the female characters would get some good development that wasn't directly in relation to one of the guys, but I guess I'll have to rely mostly on Wray for that now.


See, this is what I meant in my previous post. It was never said one way or the other who stayed behind. I guess I just inferred that some of them did given the scene on the planet, but maybe this isn't the case?

I do agree that Dr. Caine was a pretty cool supporting character, and it sucks that he's (likely) gone now :(

I think it was implied the Caine stayed behind, since he wasn't shown leaving the shuttle and he was the most adamant about staying on the planet. I wish he'd stuck around as well, though who knows, we may find him on an alien ship ala Rush at some point. :)

prion
April 16th, 2010, 08:00 PM
Just fyi...

Music used in tonight's episode - All My Days by Alexi Murdoch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5IQoIYvTM

the fifth man
April 16th, 2010, 08:03 PM
A very nice episode tonight. I really liked the reveal about the planet, and hope we find out more about those aliens someday. It was nice to see Wray and Rush getting along a little better with some people in this one. After all, they shouldn't always be at each others throats. I really can't wait to see where this goes concerning TJ and Young. I wonder when he will find out?

MFA
April 16th, 2010, 08:12 PM
But I would have liked to have known if anyone stayed behind though. that's bugged me.

But that's why you gotta tune into the next episode, or maybe the next or the next after that before you get the answer LOL


Seriously, I love the way SGU has started the 2nd half of Season 1 and hope they keep it up. I was wondering how they would deal with Rush and Chloe/Scott from the previous episode and think they did a good job. I mean, some shows may have had Rush back at work (like he never had surgery) or Chloe/Scott back to normal instead of going through the motions of (trying) to patch things up.

Yea, Rush went back to work too early, but he's suffering from his decision now. Will he have set backs in the next episode? Maybe, maybe not. Will Chloe and Scott make amends or will Chloe turn to Eli? Is this the beginning of a love triangle? (cringes at the thought). TJ and Young ... hmmm ... I'm guess she'll eventually tell him and then what will happen?


Everything is not wrapped up at the end of the episode all nice and tidy with a bow on it. While I love SG1 and that was the case with many (or most) of the episodes, it's not that way with SGU and that's my draw to this show. It's different and I'm starting to love it for being so different ...

major davis
April 16th, 2010, 08:13 PM
Wow they used another alexi song. The mood of his music fit the tone of sgu quite well. Kinda sucks that some people were left behind. :(((( stupid dr. Caine. I'm even a Christian and even if God spoke to me and told me hey look I made a new garden of eden for you I still wouldn't stay. Say the campers change their mind and want to get home. They can't leave the planet. At least destiny has the ability to cross vast distances and even dial earth at some point. It's just totally stupid. Lol

CraigMacD.
April 16th, 2010, 08:24 PM
This was the first episode of SGU to really disappoint me. Great visuals of the shuttle flying through the atmosphere, a bit of comedy from Greer in one scene, but other than that NOTHING HAPPENED!

Granted it was confirmed that TJ is pregnant and Young is the father but I think enough hints had been dropped already that it wasn't exactly a big revelation.

We don't get to meet the aliens who built the planet or even find out why they built it. No answers on either of those two fronts. Its not mentioned what happened to the Senator's body (which was in the shuttle they just fixed). The only thing that did happen was that James and Rush may have found a "robot" but once again we don't know anything beyond what it looks like.

Lots of questions, no answers, and a flimsy excuse to call an episode "Faith" when it was only one person who even really brought up the subject of faith at all.

Hopefully the aliens who built this planet will make an appearance sooner than later. They'd better. Or this was a waste of an episode.

Trailer for next week's ep looks good though.

Gamma626
April 16th, 2010, 08:26 PM
Yeah. It was a nice change of pace. I knew the song this time in the montage. It fit perfectly.

The Shrike
April 16th, 2010, 08:30 PM
....I'd bet they're not hostile though....Given what we know about living organisms, I'd say it's quite likely they are hostile. In a universe full of competing species, there would be no way for them to survive, and thrive if they weren't.

major davis
April 16th, 2010, 08:32 PM
I wanted the montage at the end to be longer though.

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 08:34 PM
Given what we know about living organisms, I'd say it's quite likely they are hostile. In a universe full of competing species, there would be no way for them to survive, and thrive if they weren't.

They made their own planet?

...

Solar system?

....
>.<

But lots of species... like the Nox. They Aren't hostel.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 08:34 PM
You don't have to be hostile to survive. Just willing and able to defend yourself.

s09119
April 16th, 2010, 08:34 PM
With the exception of not being told if anyone stayed behind (I got the feeling Caine did, but a parting shot of him standing on the planet watching the obelisk would have been nice), that episode was incredible. A perfect balance of character interaction, awesome special effects, an interesting A and B plot, and great continuation on past installments. I loved how the writers chose not to explain anything about the star system or planet that they would have no way to figure out. Very realistic, and it fit in with the theme of faith versus reason perfectly. After so many years of the acceptance that there are no real gods, a situation really pushing a skeptic's (such as myself) ability to argue with how perfect the appearance of a paradise was came off refreshing and thought provoking. Not to mention the possible introduction of a race that surpasses even the Ancients in terms of advancement. This far out in the universe, anything's possible.

"Faith" gets ***1/2 stars from me.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 08:36 PM
Not to mention the possible introduction of a race that surpasses even the Ancients in terms of advancement. This far out in the universe, anything's possible.

I don't see the writers ever creating a race more advanced then the Ancients were.

langdonboom
April 16th, 2010, 08:37 PM
what are the odds/I really hope we see the team that was left behind swoop in at a deep dark moment in three seasons' time having befriended the benign and powerful aliens that created the solar system, and come looking for the Destiny to take it home....

I just hope we haven't heard the last of whoever might have created that solar system and planet.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 08:39 PM
what are the odds/I really hope we see the team that was left behind swoop in at a deep dark moment in three seasons' time having befriended the benign and powerful aliens that created the solar system, and come looking for the Destiny to take it home....

I just hope we haven't heard the last of whoever might have created that solar system and planet.

Either way I just want to find out more. I love having my questions answered.

General Jumper One
April 16th, 2010, 08:40 PM
I think the ascended Ancients made an exception just this once and made that solar system for them.

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 08:40 PM
I don't see the writers ever creating a race more advanced then the Ancients were.

I would defiantly consider these aliens more advanced then the Ancients. The Ancients can't even come close to building a sun or planet.

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Jelgate’s Two Cents
I guess after stellar episode like Space and Divided they all can’t be winners. That is not to say that Faith is in any way a bad episode. Its just I think it does not live up the previous. I just think it lacked a central story to pull it together and while a man of faith I think the writers tried to be a little too political correct in people who believe in a certain faith. Come on show some of the characters having a little passion in their beliefs. But I’m getting ahead myself as usual. You know where we are going.

I liked the opening scene with TJ. And because I’m a spoiler junkie I already knew what was wrong with her and why she looked so terrible. A fellow friend said it was obvious about TJ being pregnant. And I have to disagree with that statement. If I didn’t know what I know about TJ in the first scene I would say she was stressed out. Which is more then understandable given the stress and hazards the Destiny brings. I like the recall of the mutiny. How Young is quite vague in that the military will make a contribution. I can understand where he is coming from. He is trying to find a common ground between both sides which is not easy given the hostility on Destiny. But it’s not like he can give up his control without creating anarchy. Also I quite like the distance we saw for Chloe and Scott. I wanted their to be a rough patch because of Chloe’s betrayal. It came across as they don’t hate each other but the two are uncomfortable with one another. Very realistic for me.

The little mystery of the new planet and sun was a complete mystery with a science fiction twist you do not hear much of. And I loved it. The concept of artificially creating a sun and planet is so crazy it’s cool. And the Trek geek in me laughed at Eli. Back to the planet and subsequently the obelisk you have to wonder, what were the alien’s intents? Why did they build the planet and more importantly what was the obelisk for? I guess that is the point of this episode. After all it’s called Faith. It’s about trusting that the mysterious aliens did it for the right reason. The place was practically a paradise with the fresh water and edible vegetation. Although I will say Greer wasn’t that bright in eating the alien kiwi.

I’m at a crossroad here in my review. Do I talk about the month camping trip first or the incursion into life on the Destiny. I’ve chosen since less happened on the Destiny let start there and then we can move to the planet. I like how the writers learned their mistake from Atlantis about exploring the ship. That is something refreshing about SGU how we see Rush in conjunction with a team led by Lt. James. It’s something I like seeing especially when we see that robot. I am in awe and curiosity how that robot will be used in future episode of Universe. More importantly I like seeing Rush and Young getting along. As evident by the banter they had after finding the robot they don’t like each other but at least the two are getting along. This leads us to the shuttle. Before we go on what in the world do they do to Sen. Armstrong? Last I knew his corpse was rioting in the shuttle Park and Brody were fixing and now he is mysteriously gone. As for shuttle despite Brody and Park’s best work the shuttle is still significantly weaker then the one Scott piloted. It makes me wonder. Why is this one in so much worse state then the one we the audience are used too? I refuse to believe that a broken window would cause all that damage compared to the original shuttle.

And now to the planet part of this episode review. I absolutely loved how cold Scott was to Chloe when she was looking for a team. Like I said above I want the events of Divided to cause friction for the Scott and Chloe ship. After what happened they should not be on good terms. Speaking of Scott you can see his frustration where very few people know how to set up camping. As a fellow camper I know it’s not for everyone. Not everyone can handle the roughness that come with camping like lack of proper toiletries. Speaking of bathrooms (this is going to be a gross review) Greer, the background marine and the red haired scientist was another thing I love about SGU. The show has great continuity. Despite best intentions there is still a lot of friction between the civilians and the military personal. I’m telling you I love this more thought out continuity,

Ah TJ. Poor little TJ. This was the episode for. She had so many ranges of emotions in this episode from being joyful of this utopia to the point she was crying because of the realization of being pregnant. I am kind of surprised that TJ told Chloe she was pregnant. She didn’t much care for Chloe last week so it’s a little surprising that TJ confided in Chloe. An on another note it shows the range of Alaina Huffman’s acting ability that she can switch from so many emotions. The part where she says to Scott and both Young that she does not want to leave speaks to her character and shows more who she is. We really haven’t seen much on TJ and what she is like so this episode brought in perspective into what kind of person TJ is and what she stands for.

The discussion of faith (and the connection the obelisk has) between Dr. Cain, Scott and certain non-believing scientists was an interesting one. Let’s just get it out into the open. I’m a men of faith and I believe in some things are unexplainable. This is nondebatable for anyone who disagrees with my beliefs. But as a result to a certain extend I agreed with Dr. Caine’s group a lot more then the others. I find there is just too much good to be true. This is too much of a good thing. All that happened with a nice planet seems like something besides normal science is at work. I’m inclined to believe that their was a purpose to the planet. It makes me ever more curious to what the glowing obelisk meant.

We are almost to the end my loyal readers. I find Rush such a hypocrite after he (and Young and Wray) learn that people want to stay on the planet. First he is complaining about excessive force in Divided and now Rush wants to use excessive force. The part about Young forcing military personnel was obvious when he told Wray he could only force some of them to come back. I suppose he could have forced everyone to come back but that would have invoked another mutiny similar to Divided. So this worked well in my book

Young’s speech reminds why I keep on defending this man. He may have done some damn well questionable things but deep down I seriously think he thinks about the better of the crew. He knew when he forced the military to return many civilians to follow. It’s a compromise if you well. Not losing all the valuable personnel you need but at the same no one is being forced to leave. This is also where I draw the line and stop agreeing with Dr. Caine. Yes Faith is important and their may be a higher power at work here. But you don’t start making senseless decisions because of that belief. Sure the planet is fine now but what if the nights killed you or the aliens who built a planet decide to kill you? It’s not worth the risk. I clearly think Destiny is the safer option.

I am thoroughly enjoyed about Young’s comment about liking a game of chess. Maybe there is hope for him and Rush to get along. They still have to bicker though after all what would SGU be if their wasn’t bickering? The discussion between Scott and Young was equally enlightening because you can’t let your beliefs cloud command decisions. To do so would alienate people under your command. Finally TJ crying while everyone else is partying is perfect for me. I think it speaks a lot about TJ in that she puts on a brave face despite hating the Destiny and what it would be like raising a child there. A nice good ender. One thing I forgot to mention about TJ is the fact that Scott knew about TV’s affair with Young speaks a lot about the friendship TJ and Scott have

General Jumper One
April 16th, 2010, 08:41 PM
I would defiantly consider these aliens more advanced then the Ancients. The Ancients can't even come close to building a sun or planet.

The ascended ones can.

The Shrike
April 16th, 2010, 08:42 PM
You don't have to be hostile to survive. Just willing and able to defend yourself.When two species expand outwards and consume resources until there's only enough left for one to survive, the one that's most aggressive is usually the one that survives. An intelligent, sentient species would be even more likely to be aggressive since they would understand this.

General Jumper One
April 16th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Can't wait for the HD screen-captures!!

Coronach
April 16th, 2010, 08:44 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. I won't go into big specifics though, as most people here are summing up what I'd have to say on the matter.

However, I didn't really see this mentioned yet...so I'll bring it up (apologies if anyone did, :P).

The episode was called "Faith", after all...and I think this was played up pretty creatively by the writers. Case in point, Dr. Caine. I thought it was very, very interesting the idea of having faith in something such as this. And I think I enjoyed it so much because the writers actually used the opportunity to show how faith (by its very definition) works.

Dr. Caine was convinced there had to be some sort of benevolent force at work here, and I can't entirely blame him for it! And the way they played up his growing commitment to this idea in the month they were on the planet was very interesting to me. He was willing to risk staying on the planet (and the dangers that entails) due to his faith in something he could ultimately never be sure of. And my views on such faith aside, I found it incredibly fascinating.

This is not meant as a condemnation or praise of this either. I just thought it was an interesting observation. :)

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 08:44 PM
I would defiantly consider these aliens more advanced then the Ancients. The Ancients can't even come close to building a sun or planet.

We don't know if some aliens even built the planet. I think it was ascended beings.


When two species expand outwards and consume resources until there's only enough left for one to survive, the one that's most aggressive is usually the one that survives. An intelligent, sentient species would be even more likely to be aggressive since they would understand this.

A race that advanced. To build solar systems if that's how that solar system was created. Would likely be very enlightened. And possibly have no rivals. You can be advanced enough to hold your territories and not be aggressive.

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 08:45 PM
When two species expand outwards and consume resources until there's only enough left for one to survive, the one that's most aggressive is usually the one that survives. An intelligent, sentient species would be even more likely to be aggressive since they would understand this.

But in the stargate universe anyways... there's unlimited number of habitable worlds. Unlimited resources.

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 08:48 PM
We don't know if some aliens even built the planet. I think it was ascended beings.

The planet just didn't pop into thin air

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 16th, 2010, 08:48 PM
I didn't think it was possible for me to like Young more than I do...but I do. I wish that he could be more forthcoming with his feelings though, for TJ's sake.

Young and Rush? Fantastic.
TJ? yep, even though I saw it coming, it was still a whack
Greer? He is made of Awesome!
The one thing that was a pleasant surprise was the developing friendship between Wray and Eli of all people.

I loved that people were smiling and laughing with each other by the end, although there are definitely some deeper philosophical/religious questions about what happened. I know that some will say it was a slow epi, but as for the big questions? A doozy.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 08:50 PM
The planet just didn't pop into thin air

I didn't say it just popped into thin air. I am saying I don't think it was created by some race. I think its very possible and ascended ancient created it. Maybe he started it on its way and enveloped it in a time dilation field and speed it up a great deal. We don't know what they can do exactly. But they have do much more impressive feats then create a solar system.

The Shrike
April 16th, 2010, 08:50 PM
But in the stargate universe anyways... there's unlimited number of habitable worlds. Unlimited resources.There's a long way between regions, continents, planets, solar systems, and galaxies, so there would be many points in a species growth cycle where resources dwindle and conflict ensues. This is the cycle of life, survival of the fittest, unless biology as we understand it doesn't apply in the Stargate universe, in which case this is a fantasy series, not a science fiction one.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 08:52 PM
An advanced race would also limit their growth. Just because people on earth breed like wild rabbits does not mean every race does.

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 08:52 PM
I didn't say it just popped into thin air. I am saying I don't think it was created by some race. I think its very possible and ascended ancient created it. Maybe he started it on its way and enveloped it in a time dilation field and speed it up a great deal. We don't know what they can do exactly. But they have do much more impressive feats then create a solar system.

That is so far fetched. Thier is no information that the ascended Ancients were involved, it makes no sense for the Ancients to go this this far out since creating such a thing would take time, and finally their is no indication that ascended powers can do that

General Jumper One
April 16th, 2010, 08:54 PM
I didn't say it just popped into thin air. I am saying I don't think it was created by some race. I think its very possible and ascended ancient created it. Maybe he started it on its way and enveloped it in a time dilation field and speed it up a great deal. We don't know what they can do exactly. But they have do much more impressive feats then create a solar system.

I totally agree!!

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 08:55 PM
That is so far fetched. Thier is no information that the ascended Ancients were involved, it makes no sense for the Ancients to go this this far out since creating such a thing would take time, and finally their is no indication that ascended powers can do that

Have... faith ;)

_SocraticMethod
April 16th, 2010, 08:56 PM
Wow. I really enjoyed tonights episode! I've got to say, if I was at all on the fence about SGU after 1.0, 1.5 has got me completely sold. Fantastic!

About "Faith"... I've got a whole bunch of thoughts so I'll try to organize them, lol! :P


It was nice to see some cameraderie (even if forced at times - indeed, that's more realistic given recent events) between the members of the crew. I was especially impressed with Young who was clearly trying very hard to do what he thought was best/right. The awkward comment about chess at the end was a nice touch. Also, on a related note, it was nice to see Young, Wray and Rush discussing the decision to be made regarding the 'away team'. I really appreciated that Young was consulting (or at the very least entertaining) the opinions of these two influential crew members.
Greer = hilarious and awesome!! Greer is such an awesome character, and love his sardonic sense of humour! And, more than just Greer, the humour in general really harkened back to a classic Stargate feel, but, of course, with a distinctly SGU flavour. Humour is such a quintessential part of this franchise, so it was nice to see that woven into this story. (E.g. the scenes in the second shuttle)
I think it's really interesting to see that TPTB are toying with the religion motif again; except this time, unlike in SG-1, we AREN'T in a position to know what the 'truth' of the matter is. Raises some interesting philosophical questions about what exactly we mean by a 'higher power'. Interesting, too, that the ship should be called "Destiny"... I get the feeling this is going to be a running thread, and I am looking forward to seeing the debate play out.
REALLY interesting ethical question raised regarding whether precedence is to be placed on individual liberties or the welfare of the collective. Does the freedom of the individual to choose trump the collective's need for survival, or vice versa? Add to that the uncertainty element and you have a very intriguing ethical connundrum. Surely, the collective's chances of survival would be lessened with the loss of a medic, pilot and highly qualified scientists; but at the same time, the collective's survival is not guaranteed by their presence either (nor is their demise guaranteed by their loss). Further still, it is more than just a question of liberty versus survival, because those chosing to stay behind were doing so out of a desire to survive as well. So there's the following additional layer to the problem: the few versus the many. Do you potentially endanger everyone by allowing the separation of the crew (where those on the planet may have a better chance of survival, but not a necessary one, and those on the ship will have a lessened chance of survival), or do you, once again, potentially endanger everyone by keeping everyone aboard (where, now, all have a sort of 'average' chance of survival between the poles in the previous case, but again, won't necessarily survive). (Sorry, that was long and convoluted... hope that made sense to someone!! :P).
Much to my surprise, I actually enjoyed the montage in this episode!!


As for concerns, just a few...

I hope that the tensions amongst the crew have not been dispensed with - and honestly, from what we've seen so far, I highly doubt that TPTB have any intention of doing this! I have faith (*groan* :P) that they will not treat "Divided" as the end of all hostilities on board.
I do not have a problem with the TJ/Young plot-line, yet. My only fear is that SGU will take a turn towards soap-opera (this is largely why I was not a fan "Earth"). So, I'm not making any judgements yet, but this is still a worry in terms of future episodes.
Chloe... :mckay:.... still waiting for some growth with this character. I was not that impressed with what we saw from her in "Divided", but I'm holding out, as with my last concern. I'm just not sure how long we are expected to wait... :S


All in all, I really enjoyed this episode. Can't wait for next week!! :D

The Shrike
April 16th, 2010, 08:56 PM
An advanced race would also limit their growth. Just because people on earth breed like wild rabbits does not mean every race does.The ones that don't become extinct.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 08:56 PM
That is so far fetched. Thier is no information that the ascended Ancients were involved, it makes no sense for the Ancients to go this this far out since creating such a thing would take time, and finally their is no indication that ascended powers can do that

It makes perfect sense. Just because they ascended doesn't mean they are no longer explorers. They aren't all knowing they wouldn't know what has been happening with the Destiny. And look at the things non-ascended Ancients did. Time Travel. Extra-dimensional travel. ZPMs. SUPER ZPMS (Arcturus) Stargates. A portal capable of traveling across the universe. Cloaking devices, personal shields. Atlantis, whos shields are so strong it can stop solar flares and novas. And now look at Ascended Ancients. They can create devices to kill energy beings. The phase technology. Destroy all life on planets. Control the elements. Why is it so far fetched to believe they can create a solar system?

I don't see why you find it easier to believe a corporeal race created a solar system but not ascended beings.

I am betting the seeder ships are only a thousand or so years ahead of the Destiny. Unsure completely cuz they would need time to collect materials and plant gates. But something seems to have created a planet and a solar system and artificially progressed them. I just find it easier to believe powerful ascended beings could do it then a race.

Jakerod
April 16th, 2010, 08:58 PM
An advanced race would also limit their growth. Just because people on earth breed like wild rabbits does not mean every race does.
I would agree with this. Any truly advanced civilization would realize that limiting your population is important to reducing conflicts.

Just because we fight and constantly consume more and more does not mean that other races do. The "negative" attitudes the other poster was basing their assumptions on, are the attitudes of what people presently do and not on alternatives that exist and especially not on the logic of advanced alien civilizations. I would say that no one on this planet could do that.

Jakerod
April 16th, 2010, 09:01 PM
I find it hard to believe it was the ancients because:
a.) we have never seen them use that kind of power before.
b.) there are easier alternatives in place like powering the stargate
c.) all those things they created were great, but they all took a lot of time to do
d.) Rush or someone mentions unfamiliar markings on the obelisk.
e.) Why wouldn't they leave some sort of message for them?

The Shrike
April 16th, 2010, 09:01 PM
That is so far fetched. Thier is no information that the ascended Ancients were involved, it makes no sense for the Ancients to go this this far out since creating such a thing would take time, and finally their is no indication that ascended powers can do thatOne of my biggest beefs with the concept of ascended beings in sci fi series is it creates an artificial plot device that the writers can whip out of the closet any time they want to fix something. They're basically a genie, or a magic wand, and not that much more inventive.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 09:03 PM
One of my biggest beefs with the concept of ascended beings in sci fi series is it creates an artificial plot device that the writers can whip out of the closet any time they want to fix something. They're basically a genie, or a magic wand, and not that much more inventive.

I kind of agree. TV shows are not books. They don't have the time to explain everything so when conversations such as these arrive it is all speculation as to what is capable.


Also the comment from Alaina Huffman in an interview with moviefone -

"I think we have an ability to reach a huge audience and take these questions that we could experience -- race, religion, cultural boundaries -- and it won't offend anybody because we're talking about aliens and we're not talking about specific religions. We do have an episode coming up called 'Faith,' and it explores the idea of faith and possibly the Ancients as saviors. We're not talking about a Messiah of one particular religion, we're speaking about the idea of believing that something greater than us exists. And I think that's a really great topic to talk about and not to go over to war over.

The_Asgard_live
April 16th, 2010, 09:05 PM
I don't see the writers ever creating a race more advanced then the Ancients were.
Granted, by the end of Atlantis the writers had basically turned the Ancients into buffoons, still I wasn't getting why the mystery aliens were supposed to be all that. Potentially interesting though.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Granted, by the end of Atlantis the writers had basically turned the Ancients into buffoons, still I wasn't getting why the mystery aliens were supposed to be all that. Potentially interesting though.

Atlantis kind of a mistake. They had to make the ancients look sort of dumb to make the show work. Otherwise we would be fighting an enemy that was actually stronger then the Ancients which would be impossible.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 16th, 2010, 09:08 PM
Just fyi...

Music used in tonight's episode - All My Days by Alexi Murdoch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5IQoIYvTM
thank you for that link, it's a beautiful choice


Yeah. It was a nice change of pace. I knew the song this time in the montage. It fit perfectly.
I thought the same thing when it began.


The ascended ones can.
The Destiny itself has provided so much for them already. It makes me wonder if the Destiny presented this, right when it was needed?


I really enjoyed this episode. I won't go into big specifics though, as most people here are summing up what I'd have to say on the matter.

However, I didn't really see this mentioned yet...so I'll bring it up (apologies if anyone did, :P).

The episode was called "Faith", after all...and I think this was played up pretty creatively by the writers. Case in point, Dr. Caine. I thought it was very, very interesting the idea of having faith in something such as this. And I think I enjoyed it so much because the writers actually used the opportunity to show how faith (by its very definition) works.

Dr. Caine was convinced there had to be some sort of benevolent force at work here, and I can't entirely blame him for it! And the way they played up his growing commitment to this idea in the month they were on the planet was very interesting to me. He was willing to risk staying on the planet (and the dangers that entails) due to his faith in something he could ultimately never be sure of. And my views on such faith aside, I found it incredibly fascinating.

This is not meant as a condemnation or praise of this either. I just thought it was an interesting observation. :)
this is one of the things I'm really liking about this Stargate, dealing with the bigger issues like this.

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 09:08 PM
It makes perfect sense. Just because they ascended doesn't mean they are no longer explorers. They aren't all knowing they wouldn't know what has been happening with the Destiny. And look at the things non-ascended Ancients did. Time Travel. Extra-dimensional travel. ZPMs. SUPER ZPMS (Arcturus) Stargates. A portal capable of traveling across the universe. Cloaking devices, personal shields. Atlantis, whos shields are so strong it can stop solar flares and novas. And now look at Ascended Ancients. They can create devices to kill energy beings. The phase technology. Destroy all life on planets. Control the elements. Why is it so far fetched to believe they can create a solar system?

I don't see why you find it easier to believe a corporeal race created a solar system but not ascended beings.

I am betting the seeder ships are only a thousand or so years ahead of the Destiny. Unsure completely cuz they would need time to collect materials and plant gates. But something seems to have created a planet and a solar system and artificially progressed them. I just find it easier to believe powerful ascended beings could do it then a race.

Because its too easy and predictable. I want something new beside the ultra magic Ancients. And the oblisek doesn't look Ancient in design and it doesn't fit their standard practice

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 09:10 PM
Because its too easy and predictable. I want something new beside the ultra magic Ancients. And the oblisek doesn't look Ancient in design and it doesn't fit their standard practice

I understand where your coming from. We can agree to disagree :P And we didn't see nearly enough of the Ancients to say the obelisk didn't look like an ancient design.

My underlying love for Stargate is the Ancients and me wanting to see/learn more about them so maybe I just want me theory to be right.

CCA
April 16th, 2010, 09:11 PM
So here are my views and thoughts, sorry if it repeats anybody elses

Loved the character development in this eppy, and thought it was very interesting the switching sides of Rush and Young. No flipping way would you get me to stay on that planet. I think it’s cool the military is trying to patch things up and people are starting to come together. It’s nice to see people laughing. Anytime I see people laughing though, only makes me think…that can’t last for long lol.

Greer, yeah he rocks. Seriously I love his whole demeanor and the way he speaks. Eating the “looks like a kiwi” scene was hilarious.

I also like the fact, they had one who was more into “it’s meant to be,” and the other view of somebody thinking it was a bunch of b.s. That is real life, so many different opinions.

The Matt and TJ scene was touching, and I find it neat that immediately Matt was willing to stay and protect those who did not want to go back.

The conclusion, yeah Young rocks. I really could not think how they were going to get them back on the ship, and I just loved how he was like this is how its going to be and you will like it.
Not the most action packed, but I liked the episode. Thought it was nice!

jelgate
April 16th, 2010, 09:12 PM
I understand where your coming from. We can agree to disagree :P And we didn't see nearly enough of the Ancients to say the obelisk didn't look like an ancient design.
I though SG1, SGA, and now the Destiny was enough to show Ancient architecture

Pharaoh Atem
April 16th, 2010, 09:14 PM
ahhh the one true cylon god is now helping the crew of the destiny sweetness.

RepliVeggie
April 16th, 2010, 09:16 PM
I though SG1, SGA, and now the Destiny was enough to show Ancient architecture

We saw no details at all really of the Obelisk. But I will give you that I don't think the Ancients would have had writing all over the obelisk. And writing in a different language. At least I assume different, unless the crew no longer recognizes Ancient.

s09119
April 16th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Atlantis kind of a mistake. They had to make the ancients look sort of dumb to make the show work. Otherwise we would be fighting an enemy that was actually stronger then the Ancients which would be impossible.

That's an excuse for lazy writing.

The_Asgard_live
April 16th, 2010, 09:21 PM
When two species expand outwards and consume resources until there's only enough left for one to survive, the one that's most aggressive is usually the one that survives. An intelligent, sentient species would be even more likely to be aggressive since they would understand this.
Assuming that evolution in the way that we conceive of it is universal. Aliens are just that... alien.

The_Asgard_live
April 16th, 2010, 09:30 PM
We saw no details at all really of the Obelisk. But I will give you that I don't think the Ancients would have had writing all over the obelisk. And writing in a different language. At least I assume different, unless the crew no longer recognizes Ancient.
Could be the ancients. To me this does not seem like a feat beyond what we know they could do. And the ascended ones could certainly create things from thin air (stargates and such). Also, the atmosphere was perfect for humans. The vegetation was suitable, tasty, and even medicinal, again, for humans. What are the odds (beyond plot necessity) that some alien race would evolve and create the perfect human compatible planet in that galaxy?

Jakerod
April 16th, 2010, 09:33 PM
Could be the ancients. To me this does not seem like a feat beyond what we know they could do. And the ascended ones could certainly create things from thin air (stargates and such). Also, the atmosphere was perfect for humans. The vegetation was suitable, tasty, and even medicinal, again, for humans. What are the odds (beyond plot necessity) that some alien race would evolve and create the perfect human compatible planet in that galaxy?
Quite good if they found the seeder ship. Analyzed anything stuck to it and then decided to make a trap for humans. I'm going to use my Hansel and Gretel analogy again. The house seemed good... until the woman tried to eat them.

death13a
April 16th, 2010, 09:35 PM
1 star, 1 artificial created planet hidden from everyone and Destiny just crosses it path, doubt it. I think seeder didn't drop stargate is because it was too new but it did marked for Destiny to follow as it fly just withing shuttle range.

As for planet i think it just a science project to see if they are capable to create planet and support plant life (atmosphere) as planet without neighboring objects is good to colonize without further prospects.

So as species that can create planet just for experiment i doubt they would bother with humans as for helping them and it may lead to same thing as with Rush where he was studied, marked and released; for them on planet i guess it more like studied and put into zoo as unique specimens.

timebandit
April 16th, 2010, 09:39 PM
did anyone actually end up staying behind?

Pharaoh Atem
April 16th, 2010, 09:40 PM
just want to say greer made me LOL :D

Alan Wake
April 16th, 2010, 09:40 PM
did anyone actually end up staying behind?

We don't know yet.

It wasn't made clear.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 16th, 2010, 09:45 PM
1 star, 1 artificial created planet hidden from everyone and Destiny just crosses it path, doubt it. I think seeder didn't drop stargate is because it was too new but it did marked for Destiny to follow as it fly just withing shuttle range.

As for planet i think it just a science project to see if they are capable to create planet and support plant life (atmosphere) as planet without neighboring objects is good to colonize without further prospects.

So as species that can create planet just for experiment i doubt they would bother with humans as for helping them and it may lead to same thing as with Rush where he was studied, marked and released; for them on planet i guess it more like studied and put into zoo as unique specimens.

just happened to appear for the Destiny :)
I'm still holding out for the Destiny herself cooking up this little adventure

MattSilver 3k
April 16th, 2010, 09:47 PM
That undermines the whole point of the episode in having faith about the unknown if we know everything about the planet.

A+ for Jelgate. That's totally how I'd sum it up.

Anyways, after the action-packed Space/Divided duo, we return to a subtler, slower, type of story, and I loved it. Of course, it's the characters that make it all worthwhile, and there were no disappointments. Props to the freelancer who wrote this episode - although it was polished by the actual writing staff, he didn't do anything crazy out of the box, which was a good thing - the last thing we want is some freelance mucking things up.

Faith was fun, I've decided, because of the ensemble nature sticking out in spades again. Young Vs Rush Vs Wray is toned down to awesome levels this week - the sense of him actually trying to cooperate is evident, and he didn't even go all psycho this time around at either of them. Young's only angry moment today was on the Faith planet, which was understandable - who would want to lose Scott and TJ for the long run? I know I wouldn't. Still, the look on TJ's face when she was forced to come back with Young (Aka the father of her unborn child!) was heartbreaking. Rush, meanwhile, was stubborn as all hell but not causing trouble, which is a nice change. I just hope he and Young can keep up the pretend-niceties over some chess games!

TJ was my shining star in this episode. Wow. Emotional range coming out the wazoo, and props to Alaina for that. I was worried about the pregnancy storyline, but it's good so far - nothing overly dramatic and character killing. It's just a plain ol' pregnancy that TJ wanted to end on the planet, where it would be safe for her little it. But nope, Young stopped her. Ouch. The conversation the two of them are going to have in the future is going to be fun (Two episodes from now, taking all bets!)

I loved Scott here. Never say he isn't loyal, 'cause he is to those he thinks he can help. Volunteering to stay behind on the planet to help TJ and Chloe and the others was a good move, and even Young must've thought so - the Colonel didn't even reproach him for it in the end. "Heart as big as a house" (From Water) indeed. Chloe, meanwhile, was interesting. That she and Matt hit a rough patch and have kinda moved on was great, but I'm still sensing some future blow-ups between the two. That she came back in the end indicated that maybe she wants to be with him, and since he was leaving... she followed.

Everyone else had some cool moments too. Eli and Wray's bonding moments were fantastic - two characters that I'd have never guessed interacting is always great. They even seemed friendly (And I lol'd at Eli chatting with James and Wray, and got the distinct feeling he was a gal-pal at that juncture), so good stuff. Greer was great with his "cooperation" talk, while Park/Brody's dynamic duo was fuggin' hilarious with the shuttle, even a month on. Shame to lose the shuttle, but what are you going to do? Caine and his band of Faithers might need it.

All in all, this episode was pretty fly all around. Nice character interactions - Eli/Wray, TJ/Scott, TJ/Chloe, Young/Rush - although the mystery light from the obelisk was a bit of a let-down mystery. I was hoping for an ending on the planet with the aliens returning or something, but alas...

wingsabre
April 16th, 2010, 10:06 PM
Somehow, I get the feeling that we might encounter more planets like this, or we'll see the aliens again. If they're able to build a planet, they should be able to track Destiny with the information on the shuttle. Maybe it'll be this series's Asguard.

dosed150
April 16th, 2010, 10:13 PM
seems like no one stayed on the planet, think it would be cool if at a later date we get an episode a bit like voyagers distant origin, in that the aliens do turn up find evidence of us and investigate, not the dinosaurs in space thing,
seeing the blue light coming out of that obelisk reminded me so much of the forerunner structures in the halo games
not too sure about the tj pregnant storyline but im willing to wait and see, seeing her on the planet with her hair down made me think of leia in return of the jedi

Gallienus
April 16th, 2010, 10:37 PM
Well I have more than a few things to say here, so my apologies already for a long post.

Note these thoughts are in no particular order...

Firstly, I thought they made Dr. Caine's faith look just a tad bit more like insanity in this episode. I don't know if that was their intent, or if perhaps I'm simply interpreting what I saw incorrectly. As a believer myself, I can see the allure of what was once called "divine providence" in explaining unlikely or improbable events. Surely if conditions had been different from the beginning, Caine's desire to stay behind would make no small amount of sense. They say in our own galaxy sun like stars of class G2 V are brighter/more luminous than about 85% of all the stars in the galaxy. And what are the chances of running across a totally habitable planet that's not on the flight plan in that same system really? If everything was natural and kosher, if you will, I could have identified with Caine strongly, however, this is not the case. Caine's "faith" really seems to be entirely blind, reckless and based on no credible reading of the available facts.

The whole setup from the beginning threw up red flags for me. Not just that the star was effectively at Age 0, but that the planet had a fully developed, oxygenated atmosphere, AND it appeared to be -the only- planet in the entire system. Moreover the world appeared to be perfectly suited for human habitation, with fresh water and lots of edible plant life. The obelisk was really only the final piece to convince me that it would be excessively -hazardous- to stay on that planet, given its obvious artificiality and the unknown nature of its creators.

Still, none of this seemed to affect Dr. Caine. He seemed quite literally obsessed with the planet and no logical reasoning could sway him. Some of you might argue that this is the "nature" of faith, but in my book, such a view is outrageously cynical. I have faith, but I also have reason and free will, and when situations seem to good to be true, I'm usually confident that they are. There really was no sane reason for Caine to be so gung-ho about staying behind, and I felt this really gutted the "faith" aspect of things for me, in this case.

Second, I agree with some of the previous posts, having Chloe come back was somewhat inconsistent. To be fair we didn't get to see who exactly stayed behind, but this is one of those decisions that just screams "contractual obligations!" It happens and it does affect storytelling, but making SGU is also a business decision and so, here we are.

Third, I didn't see any hypocrisy when it came to Rush's actions today. Rush's suggestion to use force to bring the people back was based on his well-established pragmatic and utterly sentimentality-free nature. His problem is with Young, it's always been with young and in my mind he's showing he's able to look past that personal animosity when he knows full well what must be done. Attrition IS a problem, Destiny can't afford to lose people by the dozens every time they find a nice planet. Considering all the people that will likely die by accident, in war, of natural causes and etc, the decision makes sense. I did like the continuity of Rush barely being able to walk, that showed these events happened near to those of Divided and those little details matter.

Fourth, enough with the musical montages already!

Fifth, this episode reminded me of any of the first ten episodes of BSG Season 4. In the interest of disclosure I really hate how that series ended, but in the early stages of the last season all the episodes seemed to be all set up with no payoff. I feel (and I know no spoilers for future eps) that this is a setup with more to come in the future. That would explain why nothing was really fleshed out right then and there. I think that planet they found is trouble, and I expect that trouble to catch up with them eventually. We also see that TJ is pregnant, I'll admit I didn't know -immediately- what was going on but the reality of it was telegraphed pretty strongly, perhaps by design. I thought TJs decision to stay was perhaps the strongest of any of the characters, and the most based on a reasonable assessment of the facts.

Sixth, and finally, I'm glad to see them exploring the ship and actually expanding the "real estate" available for occupation. So much of Destiny is unexplored, I'm particularly interested in what that "Dome" area is for (shown in Air part 2 I think) and the forward "bridge" or observation deck. That's one reason I hope the show lasts for a while just so we can actually see what the ship is really about. Anyway that's all for now, I'd give this episode 3 of 5 stars, it was okay, had some interesting plot points and what the payoff(s) down the line are might affect how I feel about this episode. Cheers!

s09119
April 16th, 2010, 10:41 PM
Well I have more than a few things to say here, so my apologies already for a long post.

Note these thoughts are in no particular order...

Firstly, I thought they made Dr. Caine's faith look just a tad bit more like insanity in this episode. I don't know if that was their intent, or if perhaps I'm simply interpreting what I saw incorrectly. As a believer myself, I can see the allure of what was once called "divine providence" in explaining unlikely or improbable events. Surely if conditions had been different from the beginning, Caine's desire to stay behind would make no small amount of sense. They say in our own galaxy sun like stars of class G2 V are brighter/more luminous than about 85% of all the stars in the galaxy. And what are the chances of running across a totally habitable planet that's not on the flight plan in that same system really? If everything was natural and kosher, if you will, I could have identified with Caine strongly, however, this is not the case. Caine's "faith" really seems to be entirely blind, reckless and based on no credible reading of the available facts.

The whole setup from the beginning threw up red flags for me. Not just that the star was effectively at Age 0, but that the planet had a fully developed, oxygenated atmosphere, AND it appeared to be -the only- planet in the entire system. Moreover the world appeared to be perfectly suited for human habitation, with fresh water and lots of edible plant life. The obelisk was really only the final piece to convince me that it would be excessively -hazardous- to stay on that planet, given its obvious artificiality and the unknown nature of its creators.

Still, none of this seemed to affect Dr. Caine. He seemed quite literally obsessed with the planet and no logical reasoning could sway him. Some of you might argue that this is the "nature" of faith, but in my book, such a view is outrageously cynical. I have faith, but I also have reason and free will, and when situations seem to good to be true, I'm usually confident that they are. There really was no sane reason for Caine to be so gung-ho about staying behind, and I felt this really gutted the "faith" aspect of things for me, in this case.

Second, I agree with some of the previous posts, having Chloe come back was somewhat inconsistent. To be fair we didn't get to see who exactly stayed behind, but this is one of those decisions that just screams "contractual obligations!" It happens and it does affect storytelling, but making SGU is also a business decision and so, here we are.

Third, I didn't see any hypocrisy when it came to Rush's actions today. Rush's suggestion to use force to bring the people back was based on his well-established pragmatic and utterly sentimentality-free nature. His problem is with Young, it's always been with young and in my mind he's showing he's able to look past that personal animosity when he knows full well what must be done. Attrition IS a problem, Destiny can't afford to lose people by the dozens every time they find a nice planet. Considering all the people that will likely die by accident, in war, of natural causes and etc, the decision makes sense. I did like the continuity of Rush barely being able to walk, that showed these events happened near to those of Divided and those little details matter.

Fourth, enough with the musical montages already!

Fifth, this episode reminded me of any of the first ten episodes of BSG Season 4. In the interest of disclosure I really hate how that series ended, but in the early stages of the last season all the episodes seemed to be all set up with no payoff. I feel (and I know no spoilers for future eps) that this is a setup with more to come in the future. That would explain why nothing was really fleshed out right then and there. I think that planet they found is trouble, and I expect that trouble to catch up with them eventually. We also see that TJ is pregnant, I'll admit I didn't know -immediately- what was going on but the reality of it was telegraphed pretty strongly, perhaps by design. I thought TJs decision to stay was perhaps the strongest of any of the characters, and the most based on a reasonable assessment of the facts.

Sixth, and finally, I'm glad to see them exploring the ship and actually expanding the "real estate" available for occupation. So much of Destiny is unexplored, I'm particularly interested in what that "Dome" area is for (shown in Air part 2 I think) and the forward "bridge" or observation deck. That's one reason I hope the show lasts for a while just so we can actually see what the ship is really about. Anyway that's all for now, I'd give this episode 3 of 5 stars, it was okay, had some interesting plot points and what the payoff(s) down the line are might affect how I feel about this episode. Cheers!

No offense to the faithful, but belief in a god is by itself "blind, reckless and based on no credible reading of the available facts," to quote you directly. That's what makes it faith as opposed to science.

retiredat44
April 16th, 2010, 10:53 PM
filler..

the hype was more than what was produced..
unless some future episode uses this episode to advance the story,, I mean a real good connection,, it was filler..

reddevil18
April 16th, 2010, 10:55 PM
I think I'll have to let things settle in my mind for a while, but right now...I'm pretty close to up-right HATING this episode. Unless they actually revisit the alien civilization, this was the most pointless episode in the entire series. Nothing happens and the stay/leave conflict feels shallow.

Not only does the debate generated not really develop into a debate - it's more a case of one side simply saying "there's a reason why we're here", the other saying "no"(Scott pretty much repeats the same line within 2 minutes to 2 different people) - but the situation itself is absurd to me. Whereas with Divided things played out in a manner in which I could buy a revolt even so early in the show(Young's actions against Rush being the catalyst), this truly was a case of "Let's do BSG", but far too soon. They've been on Destiny for less than 4 months. As Scott put it, as long as there's a gate, there's hope for more. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but whatever...

There were a few seeds for the future planted, with what I assume to be those repair droids or whatever, but aside from the fact that they lost some people(who's next on James' "hot male" list now that Caine's gone?) and good acting from Alaina Huffman, there was pretty much nothing worth remembering in this episode, aside from that beautiful shot of the Destiny angling around the sun.

Waste of an episode and a momentum-killer. Watch the ratings plummet for Human(and that's yet ANOTHER character-centric episode with little action, so I expect Lost to drop down to Caprica levels). The core idea of an alien-made star system is cool, but that's it. Lesson for the future: no more freelancer screenwriters, please.

This is the first episode in which I don't even have a SINGLE scene I'd like to rewatch. Even Life, which was my least-favorite, had more things going for it. Extremely disappointed.
5/10

g.o.d
April 16th, 2010, 10:56 PM
brilliant episode. Probably the best so far, at least for me.

but I'm suprised nobody mentioned the Ascended beings

g.o.d
April 16th, 2010, 11:05 PM
That is so far fetched. Thier is no information that the ascended Ancients were involved, it makes no sense for the Ancients to go this this far out since creating such a thing would take time, and finally their is no indication that ascended powers can do that

as we know, there are other ascended beings than the Alterans/the Ori. I believe this part of the Universe "has" its onw ascended beings

GoodSmeagol
April 16th, 2010, 11:27 PM
brilliant episode. Probably the best so far, at least for me.

but I'm suprised nobody mentioned the Ascended beings

I loved the episode too, so many goodies it foreshadowed!
It opened doors I was looking forward to being opened.
And it bought 3 weeks worth of 'healing' time for downed crew mates, now I look forward to seeing Riley and maybe the dentist chair guy(name?)
Also, we have an established 16-17 week timeline, 15 weeks since left icarus, at least a week into their 3 week stay on the planet(sound good?).
And we saw the end of the power struggle which I was getting tired of.
Read through the threads here, soo many viewer questions and desires happened in this episode, exploring, repair shuttle, food/water, no earth drama angst, but lacked combat and I do not recall a single explosion, so it does loose a few points.
Oh, and it had the one single worst line ever.
Eli: "Welcome home..."
BAHHHH ***** shoulda stayed put on the planet!

wingsabre
April 16th, 2010, 11:32 PM
I'm glad they're exploring the ship though. Hopefully they'll do that more. I was somewhat annoyed with how they didn't really do much in terms of exploring Atlantis in SGA. You would think that the first goal was to seek out the place where the Atlantians made ZPMs.

g.o.d
April 16th, 2010, 11:32 PM
I'm glad they're exploring the ship though. Hopefully they'll do that more. I was somewhat annoyed with how they didn't really do much in terms of exploring Atlantis in SGA. You would think that the first goal was to seek out the place where the Atlantians made ZPMs.

or toilets

GoodSmeagol
April 16th, 2010, 11:34 PM
as we know, there are other ascended beings than the Alterans/the Ori. I believe this part of the Universe "has" its onw ascended beings

Can I play?
How about this.
Alien race finds seeder ship, studies it.
Learns about ascension, booyaaa ascended alien.
Or are ascended and find a seeder ship in their galaxy and study it and learn of the ancients.
They know of Destiny, and believe it to be the bringer of the Ancients who they want to meet and impress.
So they create this small solar system in Destinys path to await for its arrival.
They will be sad when they meet Young, who is not close to as advanced as O'niell (2 L's)

General Jumper One
April 16th, 2010, 11:38 PM
brilliant episode. Probably the best so far, at least for me.

but I'm suprised nobody mentioned the Ascended beings

Your have a century's posts behind...many people including myself have posted alot about Ascended beings.

g.o.d
April 16th, 2010, 11:40 PM
Your have a century's posts behind...many people including myself have posted alot about Ascended beings.

I know. I was just suprised nobody said "hey, I know a race which can probably do this, but they're not very talkative." :)

Vapor
April 17th, 2010, 12:02 AM
I, for one, thought this episode was wonderful.

After sitting through so many episodes of SG where the characters just happen upon the most perfect planets (even if there was an explanation for some of them being so suitable to their needs), it was refreshing to have someone among them actually question whether or not there was a greater reason for it beyond what they could immediately calculate.

One of my favorite scenes in terms of direction was when Scott had his chat with Dr. Caine about the possibility that a higher power might be involved. I remember when "Air, Part 3" came around, and a lot of people reacted strongly to the idea that we may get religion "thrown in our faces" every five minutes from this character. Things didn't turn out that way at all, imo, but I'm glad to finally see a return to the Scott that re-examines his own personal faith, wondering about the coincidences they face in this episode.

Eli and Wray had a couple of great moments back on the ship. I thought Wray's comment about the situation was excellent. Not that it was a mistake to let the others leave when they might not see them again, but that it was a mistake to stay on the ship instead of joining them. It speaks to the sense of isolation, loneliness, and restlessness the crew feels on the ship. She and Eli bond over their collective sense of longing and just plain boredom as they wait out the month.

Speaking of which, I get the feeling part of the reason the writers made the episode where a whole month goes by is because it was an easy way to smooth out some of the wrinkles created by the mutiny. During this time, many characters, both on the ship and on the planet, had time to let go of some of their grudges and begin to be friendly (or at least civil) again. Of course, the conflicts are still there, but they've taken a major leap forward, in just one episode. Awesome. Something I would have done were I in the writers' place.

I was not a fan of the thought of TJ (or anyone on the ship) being pregnant, but I REALLY like how it was handled here. TJ being happy to be stuck on the planet was a great element to the story, and it kept things from feeling too... I don't even know what the word is. Ultimately, it was a good way to reveal the pregnancy, both to the audience and to the characters that are fully aware of the whole story. However, I still honestly hope we don't have to deal with a baby on the ship in the future. There are a few ways around it, which could be EXTREMELY dramatic, but I have no idea if the writers would have been willing to go that route.

Meanwhile, I loved all of the scenes where the characters seemed to be making an effort to get along. Seeing the "growing pains" that came along with the mending of their relationships were sweet, and amusing. Particularly the scene with Greer and the other guys (one of which I recognize from Galactica- hellz yeah!!). "We're all friends now." LOL! The most dramatically impressive was the moment between Young and Rush. Young seemed so uncomfortable, but I felt so terrible for him being in that position, even if part of it was his own fault. Beautiful performances all around.

My only complaint about the whole episode is that they didn't explicitly tell us if anyone was left behind, and if any, who? I'm perfectly fine not knowing who the aliens were, or what their whole deal was- SGU isn't always going to serve up explanations for every single subplot on a silver platter, and I like it like that. But I really wish there was more clarity about what happened to Caine and the others. I realize we might find out next week, or whenever, but I feel strongly that we should have had at least a single shot of Caine in the montage, whether he's on the ship staring out as they fly away from the planet, or he's actually still on the planet, staring up at the obelisk in the distance. SOMETHING to show us the consequences of this event.

Otherwise, the episode was great. Can't wait to see where Destiny takes us next. >_>

Sebastian
April 17th, 2010, 12:07 AM
One of my biggest beefs with the concept of ascended beings in sci fi series is it creates an artificial plot device that the writers can whip out of the closet any time they want to fix something. They're basically a genie, or a magic wand, and not that much more inventive.

They use the Ancients as a Deus Ex Machina plot device. Although in this case I really hope the Ancients were not involved. I hope there is a new presence.

This episode reminds me of "The Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons, where the Keats cybrid is having a conversation with an AI which goes like:
AI: "[Most of us stay in the comfort of the old spaces]"
Keats: "Why?"
AI: "[Because it is scary out there/and there are other]"
Keats: "-Other things? Other intelligences?"
AI: "[Too kind a word\ Things/ Other things/ Lions and tigers and bears]

The intelligence who made that system reminds me of the "Lions and tigers and bears". If anyone read the novel, you know what I mean (I don't want to spoil it to those that haven't). All in all, pretty good episode, I hope the new unknown party will be involved again, even if not directly.

Loheat
April 17th, 2010, 01:09 AM
I agree with Reddevil, this episode was good, but all the while I was waiting for something to happen. It was all, this planet is great, and I was thinking whats gonna happen to make everyone realize they couldnt stay, are the blue guys gonna come back and crash theyre party. But alas, nothing happened.

I guess SGU is just a different bird, but something more exciting could have happened there.

Also, it really would have been nice to know who exactly was left behind, because right now we really have no idea

senilegreen
April 17th, 2010, 01:47 AM
Makes me think of the Preserver Obelisk that Captain Kirk found on that planet with the Native American Indians in Star Trek TOS.




Yes, this was sort of an homage to ST. First the Wrath of Khan reference. The obelisk associated with the paradise. Adding the chess game to the mix of the #1 and #2 power figures on the ship. I wonder if we could find more?

myutopian
April 17th, 2010, 01:56 AM
I love that this episode, as well as the past couple, really show that the characters pick up on things (aka Scott's mention about glances between TJ and Young) and have interactions off camera. Similarly, I appreciated that the closest we got to Young's speech was a humourous reenactment by Greer.

The planet was real! I was afraid, not knowing too much about the ep ahead of time, that it was going to be an illusion of some kind, or doomed to explode or some random thing like that. All these mysteries and ideas left unexplained really add to the feeling that the viewer is along with the crew.

I wonder if Scott's desire to stay was 100% because TJ's pregnant. Afterall, he has a kid that he didn't know about (as would Young had everyone been allowed to stay), and he might feel like he's making up for that by being around for TJ and the baby.

My one question is why would it take a month for the ship to fly around a sun and make a course correction? It took a tiny fraction of that time when it ran out of power and flew into a sun to refuel before continuing on... If it was the existence of the planet itself that triggered the stop (as in, hey, go explore this), then it should have made it easier to actually go and explore by using the planet to slingshot around?

senilegreen
April 17th, 2010, 02:08 AM
This was a pleasant enough episode to watch, except for the Chloe character.

However, once again my critique of SGU turns to the writers portraying human actions in an unrealistic manner. In this episode's story why are there not many characters that are dying to know about the obelisk? Shouldn't someone be so obsessed with it that an entire team spends the whole month doing nothing but studying it?

Think about it - would you spend an entire month just collecting plant samples when you know you just arrived at a planet created, apparently ex nihilo, with the one blatantly obvious piece of evidence (the obelisk) of the creator(s) staring you in the face, and not have your job #1 being to pick apart that evidence?

For those suggesting the Ancients as the planet creators - heh, at least you didn't pick the Ori!

reddevil18
April 17th, 2010, 02:43 AM
My one question is why would it take a month for the ship to fly around a sun and make a course correction? It took a tiny fraction of that time when it ran out of power and flew into a sun to refuel before continuing on... If it was the existence of the planet itself that triggered the stop (as in, hey, go explore this), then it should have made it easier to actually go and explore by using the planet to slingshot around?
Not the same situation. Destiny didn't drop out of FTL in order to explore the planet - that was the whole point, it wasn't on any charts. By not travelling through hyperspace, it was subjected to forces encountered in real space. Unless I'm mistaken, Rush said that the gravitational field disrupted the FTL. With Darkness/Light, the ship dropped out according to information gathered by the seeder ships. It might have something to do with the exact positions of the star and planet in relation to the Destiny when it came out, including distance between the celestial bodies. We don't really have any way of comparing the two situations. It might also be that the Destiny was moving slower this time around. At the end of the day, they can come up with any number of reasons to fit the plot's needs.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 17th, 2010, 02:58 AM
I'm not sure if I'd consider the ability to create a solar system more advanced than shedding your physical form and becoming pure energy. If you're talking about technological advancements it's definitely ahead of anything the Ancients did (that we know of), but immortality is a more advanced achievement in my eyes.

BurningIce
April 17th, 2010, 03:06 AM
In spite of no action or obvious alien's in this episode I thought it was good.

I like the idea of the mysterious lone perfect planet and star seemingly popping up out of nowhere (relatively speaking). Certainly when Rush+Eli+Volker(?) were discussing the star and the planet my nerd senses were tingling :lol: Kept on thinking "Ancients. Oma Desala, she's made planet's before....", but that's just the SG-1 fanboy talking.

Now for the obligatory complaint. I think there should have been more teasing about the alien tower, or simply the alien nature of the planet and star. Yes, more. I didn't really care about the "faith" aspect; that the planet was just put there for their benefit by some unseen alien/deity. I don't know, alien writing, more time up close with the tower...... the strange light from the tower was not enough.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 17th, 2010, 03:11 AM
This wasn't made clear if he stayed behind or not.

We don't know yet.

But he wasn't seen with the rest of the group, or eating at the tables.

The creators didn't put animals on it. that's my guess?

Young said they could stay if they wanted as long as the military personnel returned to the ship, and they did so I'm pretty sure he let the civilians stay.

PurpleNurple
April 17th, 2010, 04:23 AM
Liked this episode alot! I think mainly because Space and Divided have satiated my craving for some alien action (for now) and it was nice to see something good happen for the crew.

Poor TJ...

Liked the Young I saw in this episode, he was really trying to build some bridges.

Eli and Wray have some good moments which was nice to see.

Robert Carlyle continues to blow me away! Would have been nice if he had a more time in this ep.. maybe on the planet tinkering with the tower... would have been nice to even have some little piece of info on the creators just to spark the speculation.

Hmm so its a robot??

I know it wasn't very clear at the end if people stayed or not but from what I gathered, most of the remaining civillians stayed. With TJ and Scott being ordered back then obviously Chloe doesn't want to leave Scott so she comes back too (plus they're some of our main characters :p). But i'm pretty sure the rest stayed and they had to leave the broken shuttle of course.

Overall I really liked this episode, was nice to see people getting along better and getting some nice food which is definately going to do wonders for morale. The end scene where Rush is carving some chess pieces is a good one, I like Young and Rush's little moment there, maybe there's hope for them yet? Although you never know what's going on in Rush's head, and Carlyle conveys that so well when you watch him.

Anyway I'm done..

Overall 8/10 :cool:

siles
April 17th, 2010, 04:27 AM
I'm not sure if I'd consider the ability to create a solar system more advanced than shedding your physical form and becoming pure energy. If you're talking about technological advancements it's definitely ahead of anything the Ancients did (that we know of), but immortality is a more advanced achievement in my eyes.

I don't know about that. In the SG-1 episode "2010" (LOL!) the Aschen were at the point of turning Jupiter into a little sun, so maybe Ancients did have the ability to make stars and planets...

Commander Zelix
April 17th, 2010, 06:09 AM
That episode was all about character as there was almost no plot development. We get to learn TJ's pregnant with Young baby while the crew interact with each other again after the tense event in Divided.

It was a slow and uneventful episode. The type I hate and would get me to stop watching Stargate. But somehow didn't completely bore me.

There was some mystery surrounding the planet but nothing came out of it. Maybe they will come back to it and we will see the aliens who build that place again later. I would have prefer if there was more to that planet to explore (we didn't even get to see the obelisk close). Good acting by the actress behind TJ. When the episode ended I was like: "that's it?". For some reason the episode reminded me of Light in the way the crew get separated to start life on a planet.

I still will give it a respectable 6/10 grade. Better than the maybe 3 or 4 I gave (or should have given) Earth and Life.

MattSilver 3k
April 17th, 2010, 06:10 AM
like: "that's it?". For some reason the episode reminded me of Light in the way the crew get separated to start life on a planet.

I still will give it a respectable 6/10 grade. Better than the maybe 3 or 4 I gave (or should have given) Earth and Life.

You're getting soft in your old age, Zelix. :P

FoX-1028
April 17th, 2010, 06:20 AM
That episode was all about character as there was almost no plot development. We get to learn TJ's pregnant with Young baby while the crew interact with each other again after the tense event in Divided.

It was a slow and uneventful episode. The type I hate and would get me to stop watching Stargate. But somehow didn't completely bore me.

There was some mystery surrounding the planet but nothing came out of it. Maybe they will come back to it and we will see the aliens who build that place again later. I would have prefer if there was more to that planet to explore (we didn't even get to see the obelisk close). Good acting by the actress behind TJ. When the episode ended I was like: "that's it?". For some reason the episode reminded me of Light in the way the crew get separated to start life on a planet.

I still will give it a respectable 6/10 grade. Better than the maybe 3 or 4 I gave (or should have given) Earth and Life.

yep 100% agree. though there was no action in the episode, it was very interesting.

Commander Zelix
April 17th, 2010, 06:35 AM
yep 100% agree. though there was no action in the episode, it was very interesting.
I wouldn't go as far as *very* interesting, more like watchable. Even if there was a mysterious Obelisk, in practical term it turned out to be another empty planet again.

Briangate78
April 17th, 2010, 06:38 AM
I think I'll have to let things settle in my mind for a while, but right now...I'm pretty close to up-right HATING this episode. Unless they actually revisit the alien civilization, this was the most pointless episode in the entire series. Nothing happens and the stay/leave conflict feels shallow.

Not only does the debate generated not really develop into a debate - it's more a case of one side simply saying "there's a reason why we're here", the other saying "no"(Scott pretty much repeats the same line within 2 minutes to 2 different people) - but the situation itself is absurd to me. Whereas with Divided things played out in a manner in which I could buy a revolt even so early in the show(Young's actions against Rush being the catalyst), this truly was a case of "Let's do BSG", but far too soon. They've been on Destiny for less than 4 months. As Scott put it, as long as there's a gate, there's hope for more. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but whatever...

There were a few seeds for the future planted, with what I assume to be those repair droids or whatever, but aside from the fact that they lost some people(who's next on James' "hot male" list now that Caine's gone?) and good acting from Alaina Huffman, there was pretty much nothing worth remembering in this episode, aside from that beautiful shot of the Destiny angling around the sun.

Waste of an episode and a momentum-killer. Watch the ratings plummet for Human(and that's yet ANOTHER character-centric episode with little action, so I expect Lost to drop down to Caprica levels). The core idea of an alien-made star system is cool, but that's it. Lesson for the future: no more freelancer screenwriters, please.

This is the first episode in which I don't even have a SINGLE scene I'd like to rewatch. Even Life, which was my least-favorite, had more things going for it. Extremely disappointed.
5/10

Yeah the ep did seem like it was missing something, and it seemed very predictable. Folks make comments about SG-1 and SGA's writing and yet I see the same writing happening for SGU. Just sayin. But I did like the character moments enough to give it a 8/10. It truly is very hard to top the last 2 eps, imo

major davis
April 17th, 2010, 06:39 AM
Holy cow!! I just checked SGU on Hulu and so far all the people have reviewed the episode have given it at least 4 stars!! Thats rare for hulu. Ive seen so much negativity there, even in the comment section of popular episodes such as divided and space. Thats really good news!!

Osiris
April 17th, 2010, 06:44 AM
I think it's great they are keeping some mystery and not explaing everything. It makes it more "real". I guess it's a change from SG-1 and SGA where some characters were like gods and had the answer to anything.

However, a twist on the planet with those who chose to remain there would have been cool.

major davis
April 17th, 2010, 06:47 AM
Yeah the ep did seem like it was missing something, and it seemed very predictable. Folks make comments about SG-1 and SGA's writing and yet I see the same writing happening for SGU. Just sayin. But I did like the character moments enough to give it a 8/10. It truly is very hard to top the last 2 eps, imo

I have a feeling Incursion will top those two eps! :)

Really? You must have seriously liked Space and Divided to say an 8/10 episode doesn't come close to beating Space and Divided. I mean I loved Space, but I actually enjoyed faith more than Divided, but not as much as Space.

reddevil18
April 17th, 2010, 06:48 AM
Yeah the ep did seem like it was missing something, and it seemed very predictable. Folks make comments about SG-1 and SGA's writing and yet I see the same writing happening for SGU. Just sayin. But I did like the character moments enough to give it a 8/10. It truly is very hard to top the last 2 eps, imo
When it comes to writing...Well, the writers have proven with SG1 and SGA that they can do pretty much everything at a high quality. It's just that the nature of those shows often required too many plot devices, contrivances and easy resolutions and an over-reliance on humor. But they could do serious drama and serious action too.

Commander Zelix
April 17th, 2010, 07:08 AM
Yeah the ep did seem like it was missing something, and it seemed very predictable. Folks make comments about SG-1 and SGA's writing and yet I see the same writing happening for SGU. Just sayin. But I did like the character moments enough to give it a 8/10. It truly is very hard to top the last 2 eps, imo
I don't know what you mean by that. The whole plot of the episode completely fit into an SG1 episode teaser plotwise. In the first 5 min, Daniel would be trying to decipher the alien language. While Teal'c would recall the existence of a powerful race of traveler and solar system seeder feared by the goauld but largely unknown.

jelgate
April 17th, 2010, 07:19 AM
Yeah the ep did seem like it was missing something, and it seemed very predictable. Folks make comments about SG-1 and SGA's writing and yet I see the same writing happening for SGU. Just sayin. But I did like the character moments enough to give it a 8/10. It truly is very hard to top the last 2 eps, imo

SG1 and SGA would never devote a whole episode to character developments. So I don't see how we can draw parallels between the two

major davis
April 17th, 2010, 07:24 AM
When it comes to writing...Well, the writers have proven with SG1 and SGA that they can do pretty much everything at a high quality. It's just that the nature of those shows often required too many plot devices, contrivances and easy resolutions and an over-reliance on humor. But they could do serious drama and serious action too.

Hey reddevil. I remember you said that you thought this episode would be a dud. Now that you've seen it do you feel the same??

Briangate78
April 17th, 2010, 07:31 AM
I don't know what you mean by that. The whole plot of the episode completely fit into an SG1 episode teaser plotwise. In the first 5 min, Daniel would be trying to decipher the alien language. While Teal'c would recall the existence of a powerful race of traveler and solar system seeder feared by the goauld but largely unknown.

It felt like a SG-1 episode, but because of that, it felt dissapointing that they did not try to decipher or do what Daniel did. So it was like you were expecting something to happen with this discovery but then nothing happened. It set up like Stargate and even though it did go into character focus, that also fell short even for a SGU kinda episode. It is like hitting the warning track in a baseball game and only getting a single instead of a Homerun. lol.


SG1 and SGA would never devote a whole episode to character developments. So I don't see how we can draw parallels between the two

Whatever floats your boat, Jellybean. :p

Briangate78
April 17th, 2010, 07:32 AM
Hey reddevil. I remember you said that you thought this episode would be a dud. Now that you've seen it do you feel the same??

Well my expectations were low, so it did not really feel too dissapointing.

major davis
April 17th, 2010, 07:52 AM
Well my expectations were low, so it did not really feel too dissapointing.

Hmm, was it the lack of action that really killed it for you, or was it the predictable story line or lack of wanted character development that made it unenjoyable. I mean I had high expectations for this episode and while it ended up very different that I originally thought it would, I was still seriously impressed with this episode. It had some great emotional scenes and Im gald that FINALLLY people are working together and not shouting at each other constantly. I also really enjoyed Wray and Eli developing a friendship. It was great to see people finally setting aside their differences and working together.

Popcorn
April 17th, 2010, 07:53 AM
My thoughts:

I should start with saying that I don't believe the ancients (Including the ascended ones) made the star and planet.. Saying they would do something 'nice' like that is well stupid. They don't care about either of the 2 Galaxies they 'seeded' or a race they had an alliance with that was becoming extinct why would you think they care about some people on a ship. For those that say they done nice stuff before sure some rogue ones have but only due to punishment from the rest (Not counting the one that helped Teal'c in the movie they may of allowed that due to wanting to save their own butts)


Now lets get to the planet and star and that Obelisk.

My theory is that a race WAY more advanced then the ancients made it as some grand experiment on evolution. They made the perfect test grounds to see how life starts naturally through evolution. The obelisk is like a calling card back to them letting them know that life has been detected on the planet and to come back. It has water and food to support life and it was placed out in the middle of nowhere to stop any 'interference' from races. It just fits some kind of scientific experiment.

Now when they come back either they are gonna be pissed that some randoms trashed their planet and ruined their experiment and they well not be very happy about it OR they will end up helping them.

Now for those that don't think there could ever be a race more advanced then the ancients let me give you my theory on the races and you draw your own conclusions.

1.) Ancients - Advanced race that sought knowledge and ascension, They got to a point where they stopped technologically advancing (their choice) and decided to seek out ascension instead.

2.) Asgard - Technologically advanced race but due to constant war with replicators they couldn't put all efforts into it and got 'stuck' at a certain point, also due to cloning problems they couldn't see themselves advancing much farther.

3.) Nox - Passive technological race they seek out natural and passive ways to advance themselves spiritually. Their technology only exists to defend and due to how good it is they really have no need to advance it much further.

4.) Wraith - Advanced race that only comes out to feed then goes to bed kinda like a bear in the winter. They have no real reason to advance technologically since they have a feeding ground that is easy pickings.

5.) Unknown SGU race (Not hostile blue ones) - Most advanced race we have found evidence of creating their own star and planet - Unlike the ancients they have no interest in Ascension they pour all their knowledge into advancing technologically becoming even more advanced then the ancients ever were.

Well thats my theory.

harakiri
April 17th, 2010, 08:10 AM
Jelgate:
Again I find myself to agree with you,as I often do. Yeah,you better believe it!


After reading the first 3 pages I had to make a post myself,and here is what I think:
This episode shows that this show have the potential to be everything. All from what we liked from SG-1 and SGA to
eh,yeah this.. One thing that strikes me is that this episode`s story could easy have been longer.
I like that one person saw this as a gift from "God" . Some people here dont like the talk about beliefs in God,or the Religion thing. I find this interesting since it opens the question to what is a "God" ? If there was a race that made this planet or even an entire solar system,then I give the "God" definition a chance. Who`s to say a race needs to be more than óne "force" ? And the Christianity has its own spirit (holy spirit),so what is a "God" if not an entity thats able to create planets,life and sun and so? I feel we have to give the perspective of "God" a wider look than just thinking about it as an religious belief.
Lets say it was a very friendly race (or being) that did know that a ship would arrive there at a given time,and was in need of faith or in need of options. The entity then decided to create life as the life that would arrive there would recognise from their own home world. The race did only have to decide to create it,with no effort at all,this could be called an "almighty" race,but it does not have to be a religion behind it,just a creation made from a creator. The word "God" does not have to be a religious meaning behind it. Or does it?

The Ancient were highly advanced,and some here thinks that the writers might not want to create races that are more advanced than them,but cant two races or more be as equal highly advanced,but not the same way of eachother? We`re far from the galaxy`s any Stargate shows has been before,maybe there are other "ancient" races there? Maybe not more advanced,but just different. The Ancient made the Destiny and did send ship (ships?) ahead of it to seed planets with Stargates,so its could be safe to say that not even the Ancient knew what was out there waiting.
This is however only some thoughs an speculation from my side.

Back to the episode. Its good. It left me with some answers,but a lot more questions,which is ok.
TJ. Great character and I did not see that pregnancy come,but I was still not very surprised. And I will think Young is the father,which makes it all very interesting.

To see that Rush is not in perfect health after removing the tracking device was great writing IMO,it also gave me a way to know the timeline a bit. That Rush this time adviced Young to get those people home no matter what it takes,was kinda cool. He did agree (to a point) with Young for once. It felt like Rush changed a bit,and I have said I expected him to change a lot in the future. Maybe even become more trust worthy,and if he and Young finds some common ground I dont see why he could`nt. The two of them should work together in the future. It would benefit them,and all the others. They all should soon know by now that they aint going home anytime soon. While Destiny was Rush`s "dream",Young sees it as the hard facts and reality which they`re in. Chess sometime soon? Who would win?

Young: Well...I like the man! I dont have much more to say really. If anyone there is able to make peace on the ship he would be a important part of that to happen. Neither he or the other (except Rush) wanted to go there,and from where he/they left it was under military control,so I see it as kinda logic that he feels he should lead the people,but mostly the military. The military on the other hand would always depend on the people with all kind of different skills.

Chloe & Scott: The story continues well here. And nothing much was reviled. I took myself in expecting the very known and to often used : "I think we should talk" ,happy to see it did not come. Its evident that it will come a point when they do,which is ok,then..just not right away.

I only watched the episode once yet,so if I forgot something,or that something was wrong or even completely wrong then I apologize.

My rating of "Faith" : 8/10

Coronach
April 17th, 2010, 08:22 AM
Jelgate:
After reading the first 3 pages I had to make a post myself,and here is what I think:
This episode shows that this show have the potential to be everything. All from what we liked from SG-1 and SGA to
eh,yeah this.. One thing that strikes me is that this episode`s story could easy have been longer.
I like that one person saw this as a gift from "God" . Some people here dont like the talk about beliefs in God,or the Religion thing. I find this interesting since it opens the question to what is a "God" ? If there was a race that made this planet or even an entire solar system,then I give the "God" definition a chance. Who`s to say a race needs to be more than óne "force" ? And the Christianity has its own spirit (holy spirit),so what is a "God" if not an entity thats able to create planets,life and sun and so? I feel we have to give the perspective of "God" a wider look than just thinking about it as an religious belief.
Lets say it was a very friendly race (or being) that did know that a ship would arrive there at a given time,and was in need of faith or in need of options. The entity then decided to create life as the life that would arrive there would recognise from their own home world. The race did only have to decide to create it,with no effort at all,this could be called an "almighty" race,but it does not have to be a religion behind it,just a creation made from a creator. The word "God" does not have to be a religious meaning behind it. Or does it?

Hmm, I'm not sure. When people talk of "God" (or gods), they never mean a highly-advanced race of beings within the universe itself. I think it obscures the definition of what people usually mean when they say "God" if you include things like advanced natural beings as gods.

Additionally, I think it's misleading to look at the god definition in this way. Simply because a race appears extremely advanced to us does not make them gods. It brings back an interesting quote from Arthur C. Clarke (that I think Daniel used in SG1, actually):

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I think he used it in reference to the Goa'uld, in that just because they appear to be capable of extraordinary things does not make them gods, and we should not be tempted into calling them gods as such.

Kaiphantom
April 17th, 2010, 08:36 AM
While it was... alright... I have to admit I was expecting more out of this episode. The whole thing can basically be summed up as: "Crew finds new star and planet, created by... someone. They go camping. Some stay, some come back up. The end. Oh, and TJ is pregnant." It really feels like they had little material and just stretched it to make up an episode. And a big reason for my dislike is Faith itself, but I'll get to that in a moment.

Hell, they didn't have much character focus, which is a big part of each of my reviews, but I suppose I'll still try:

Rush - Ever the man of cold, cruel logic, and science. He'd like to know who made the place, and he's practicing his logic again when talking about bringing up the people who want to stay, by force. While I can understand wanting to stay, it's very selfish of those people to do that, without thinking of everyone else.

Young - Good to see he's doing the council thing, and trying to get people to work together. My opinion of him grows.

Wray - I liked her more in this episode, even though I disagreed with her about people wanting to stay.

Eli - Loved his Wrath of Khan reference, and his interactions with Wray. I wonder if he's starting to branch out and talk to people he normally wouldn't, in order to get more of a handle on what's going on?

TJ - Apparently, a trained military person wasn't using any type of birth control(like an IUD) while on an official assignment, so that leaves little hope for someone like Chloe. They need more medical personnel somehow, though. A pregnant doctor will be in even less of a position to help the crew.

Chloe - sex symbol ahoy. That's what she's there for. Anyone who still doubts that after this episode, needs their brain checked. Disappointing to see them still do this to her character, when she could do so much more. And since TJ wasn't using birth control, it would be extremely poor writing for Chloe to dodge the bullet, too. "But Kaiphantom, they only had sex ONCE! It's still good! It's still good!" Sorry, I'm not as naive as Eli. Oh, lest I forget; the shuttle can hold 17, and yet we're supposed to believe they left at least one spot open so that useless Chloe could decide to invite herself along? And then not want to leave, but somehow, for unexplained reasons, she changed her mind and came back anyway? Hello, consistency?

No one else really stood out for me, other than the stupidity of Dr. Caine; and here I was starting to like him. This ties in with my dislike in general of Faith, because it's so incredibly open to interpretation. You can take two men on a camping trip; one sets his cell phone down on a rock, a minor tremor knocks it into a large hole. The first man says, "It is God's will that we go on without the phone; he didn't want us to have it. I have Faith he will take care of us." The second says, "No, it is God's will, that I go down and get it. he is testing my Faith, and I have Faith he will protect me as I go in there."

Who is right? Faith is merely an excuse to avoid thinking. Let me clear, that I have no problems with any particular religions (except when they kill abortion doctors or encourage people to become suicide bombers). If someone wants to believe in a God, that's fine. I don't know what's out there myself. But there is an old saying, "God helps those, that help themselves." In other words, God doesn't want blind idiots. He'll only help those that take *smart* steps to help themselves and people around them.

A real Stargate episode would have made more discoveries about the obelisk and the planet, while still leaving some mysteries. In this one, we got nothing. They came, they saw, they left. With a bit of extra food and water. The stupidity and selfishness of people who wanted to stay, meant that they couldn't get as much food and water for those on the ship. I really hope we never see those people again, or learn that something bad happened to them because they weren't using the brains God gave them.

Really hoping for something from that robot. And really hoping the next episode gives us more. Rush's backstory has always interested me; I think it's a good topic to go into. Hope they don't disappoint. The last two episodes were pretty good, so I'll give them a pass on this episode and hope for better next week.

harakiri
April 17th, 2010, 09:31 AM
Hmm, I'm not sure. When people talk of "God" (or gods), they never mean a highly-advanced race of beings within the universe itself. I think it obscures the definition of what people usually mean when they say "God" if you include things like advanced natural beings as gods.

Additionally, I think it's misleading to look at the god definition in this way. Simply because a race appears extremely advanced to us does not make them gods. It brings back an interesting quote from Arthur C. Clarke (that I think Daniel used in SG1, actually):

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I think he used it in reference to the Goa'uld, in that just because they appear to be capable of extraordinary things does not make them gods, and we should not be tempted into calling them gods as such.

Yes,I was actually thinking about that too. However Jackson was then talking about a race that did do harm to others. The Goa'uld was not (as I see it) a creating race. They were more advanced than a lot of races (including humans),and they used it to rule over the less advanced beings. So that`s why I just use the "God" as a definition and not as a concrete demanding and ruling entity. If you see what I mean. I myself do not have the beliefs in the God as the different religions have. Its just that I cant rule it out that something,someone or for some reason do we have this planet,with our life,and the earths life itself. I might have made it unclear or something; its only the definition that a God is a creator of life,which don`t feel the need to be worshiped I was thinking about. But if I am wrong about the definition of "God" ,and it has everything to do with the demanding entity that we know from religions,well,then am sorry that I haven`t got it totally right.

The planet anyway did seem perfect,and if there was a race that created it,they did a very nice job. I am not sure if I would have wanted to stay there instead of going back to Destiny though. It is a good point that Destiny has the stargate and that might give better odds getting back home than waiting for a miracle. If that`s where I wanted to go after seeing a planet so untouched.

nobycane
April 17th, 2010, 09:33 AM
You know what this episode reminded me of... a reference to mythology and biblical references in our history.
Think about it........ Destiny suddenly drops out of FTL to single star system with one one satellite; and earth-like planet that is almost identical to our own - but with no stargate. A lot of characters are at peace with this planet-like paradise, and wanting to stay.

What I got out of this episode and the impression that I had was this planet was like the "Garden of Eden". Isolated and off the map - I believe that the ancients may have already been there and established the planet as another home for some reason or another.... therefore it is considered a "lost paradise".

For all we know that other ancient ship (ahead of Destiny) may very well had ancient people at one time and something happened and it was ordered to create this system...

...then again, this paradise could have been easily a 'trap' too. Hence the beacon of light.

timebandit
April 17th, 2010, 09:35 AM
what about those long and really cold winters there [assuming theyre correct and no matter where they fly to itll be the same]? So - not quite perfect. But probably survivable in the shuttle.

Sp!der
April 17th, 2010, 09:47 AM
Hello,
Yesterday I watched Star Trek: Voyagers Episode The 37s... and it so much reminded me of that episode, maybe because some of the voyagers crew wanted to stay on that planet too. but i liked this episode, and they finally used the character of tj!!!!

aretood2
April 17th, 2010, 09:53 AM
what about those long and really cold winters there [assuming theyre correct and no matter where they fly to itll be the same]? So - not quite perfect. But probably survivable in the shuttle.

The thing I'm wondering is how long would it take before the shuttle runs out of power?

kymeric
April 17th, 2010, 10:04 AM
Loved the episode! Was suprised TJ's pregnant but based on the actress pregnancy its not to shocking a twist. I loved the mystery of the artifical world. We saw Skaara and the ascended Abydonians make a planet/stargate so we know its possible. How cool would it be to meet physical aliens as advanced as the ascended ancients? Corporality does not inherently mean that you are not as powerful. Weird that the monolith sent out a signal. I hope whoever stayed behind was right or theyre @#$%ed. Even if the aliens come and arent hostile those humans are dead in a generation or two, having less than 80-100 people isnt enough genes to last more that 2-3 generations. Intresting that this is now the second planet on this side of the universe with humans on it, the first being the couple from air pt3.

I wonder what was with the monoliths signal, i seem to remember something similar leading to very bad things on BeastWars. Whos to say theres uberaliens dont already know about earth and havent been by our way before?

Maybe the planet was a test? Uberalien monolith detects a ship and POOF makes a sun and planet to see what the meatbags on board do when presented with paradise? At least no one killed eachother. maybe the ori feel badabout being dicks and made the planet as a reststop for destiny?

Wonder if they left a stone with the people they left behind?

Stormtrooper
April 17th, 2010, 10:45 AM
Very good episode, that is, as long as the planet and its creators are revisited down the road. Here we have an alien race that managed to dwarf the Alterans technologically, which is a cool concept for SGU I'd like to see further explored. Hopefully, this will be SGU's Thor's Hammer.

Interesting to see the Icarus Base survivors cooperating for a change. Ship exploration is also pretty good, especially when cool gadgets are found.

8/10

PS 1 - Drop the soapy music!

PS 2 - Where the hell are Riley and chair guy? Don't tell me they were disposed of along side the good senator :S

carmencatalina
April 17th, 2010, 10:47 AM
TJ does mention that someone (Lt. Cole?) will be keeping an eye on Franklin (aka "chair guy") in the infirmary (and letting her know if there is any change in his condition).

From that, I'm taking it that Riley is no longer in the infirmary (perhaps on his way back to active duty soon).

jelgate
April 17th, 2010, 10:51 AM
PS 2 - Where the hell are Riley and chair guy? Don't tell me they were disposed of along side the good senator :S

Franklin "chaiir guy" is in a coma. TJ mentions watching him in this episode. And apparently Riley is recovering off-screen since the actor playing him is focused on another project.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 17th, 2010, 10:54 AM
...
PS 1 - Drop the soapy music!

....I thought the music was perfect for the setting :)

Coronach
April 17th, 2010, 10:56 AM
I thought the music was perfect for the setting :)

Oh man, "soapy" has seriously become an adjective of epic proportions around GW. :P

carmencatalina
April 17th, 2010, 10:58 AM
Do soap operas even use contemporary songs in them?

I think the correct analogy is to teen dramas, such as "Dawson's Creek".

Having said that, I think "Miami Vice" was one of the first shows that I can remember using contemporary, current music in the episodes. Contemporary music was also used (really well, I remember) in the fabulous "Homicide: Life on the Street".

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 17th, 2010, 11:05 AM
Oh man, "soapy" has seriously become an adjective of epic proportions around GW. :P

it's really not all that creative, is it?
moving onto the next meme in 3...2...1... :p

Coronach
April 17th, 2010, 11:09 AM
Do soap operas even use contemporary songs in them?

I think the correct analogy is to teen dramas, such as "Dawson's Creek".

Having said that, I think "Miami Vice" was one of the first shows that I can remember using contemporary, current music in the episodes. Contemporary music was also used (really well, I remember) in the fabulous "Homicide: Life on the Street".

Indeed. It seems there isn't any correlation between contemporary music and genre of show.

Who knew? ;)

MattSilver 3k
April 17th, 2010, 11:10 AM
Gateworld: Adverse to all kinds of soap since October 2009.

jelgate
April 17th, 2010, 11:32 AM
Gateworld: Adverse to all kinds of soap since October 2009.

They were calling SGU a soap long before Air premiered

MattSilver 3k
April 17th, 2010, 11:35 AM
They were calling SGU a soap long before Air premiered

Gateworld: Adverse to all kinds of soap since before October 2009. When exactly? I don't fuggin' know - ask Jelgate! :P

garhkal
April 17th, 2010, 11:52 AM
Do we know how much time there is between Divided and Faith? Not much I assume given what Jel said about Rush's state of disrepair?

I have known people who got operated on in the field, who a good month afterward were still in pain, and others who looked hearty and healthy 4 days later..
So i am thinking it was 1-2 weeks.




In that last exchange between Rush and Young, when he mentioned he liked to play chess, did anyone else pick up on the subtle double-meaning there, as if Young made his attempt at a joke ("Hey look I can be a nice guy") but then reminded Rush he's good at what he does ("I still have my eye on you, and I am ready to make the next move if you ever do"). Or was I reading way too much into it?



Ohh. That is an interesting look at it. Personally i feel young was throwing out an olive branch, but i would not put it past him to be thinking sneakily..


Their chess games will become bitter battlegrounds, I can see it now.

Magneto and Xavier played chess all the time from what it seemed in the comics. they played chess when he was locked up. They did not seemed to be bitter battlegrounds, and to me they have more to go against one another than rush/young..


By the way, was it ever said who ended up staying behind? I mean, I just assumed Dr. Caine (and a couple others?) stayed behind due to not seeing them get off the shuttle...but is that right?

They have not even revisited those 2 goons who went through the gate in Air Pt3, so i doubt they will re mention those who stayed behind..


I'd never seen it in the previews. So it was a good shock for me. I leaned all the way in for that. Makes me think of the Preserver Obelisk that Captain Kirk found on that planet with the Native American Indians in Star Trek TOS.

Or the oblesk SG1 found on the planet in it's good to be king.
But i do agree it would have made for a better show if it was not spoiled so much by the previews.


T.J. was very real in this episode, excellent performance. Chloe was Chloe sadly, lol. Eli was pushed to the background but had a nice scene with Wray. Young is really trying to make things work, and he even is starting to reach out a hand to Rush, and Rush smirks after Young leaves the room. So it is good they are working things out.

Young got some major props from me this ep for actually starting to turn himself around. And i was surprised at the Eli/wray scene..


If aliens did indeed make this solar system, they're probably the power-fullest we've come across on all of stargate.

I disagree. Remember in 2010, the Aschen had the tech to help us create a sun by converting Jupiter iirc.. And they were no where near as tech advanced as the ancients were.


1) Suddenly everyone thinks god is involved.

One of my workmates who spent 9 months in SERE and other trainings has made note that people stranded seem to put more focus on faith.. so that is not that surprising for me.


I think that there is an Ancient watching the crew. Prob watching Icarus cuz they were curious how the Destiny is fairing and went through the gate with them. But my theory still doesn't really explain what the obelisk was for. I am really hoping that this is revisited in the future.

It is my though that the ancients made the planet before we even found out about it, as they DID mention some ascended before they even left for the PG. So maybe he made it as a way point to restock for the others who DID eventually go there...
As to the obelisk. No clue at this point in time, though that beam did remind me very much of the Wraith's tagging beam from SGA season 1 (letters from Pegasus).


He even took Rush's suggestion about using gunpoint or force. Well he did not do it but he did threaten if the military folks did not return.

I was actually really surprised that rush even made that statement coming so close on what the did last ep..


If there was an ancient watching over them I would think they would just zap them right home ?

I disagree. They see we are so willing to go on one way trips (atlantis) and have that explorer gene, similar to them. SO it is not to me, outlandish to think they would want us to stay to do what they could not (or didn't) make destiny what it is.. an exploration ship.


Wouldn't it be cruel if they were right and the people who stayed behind go back to Earth thanks to the aliens.

That it would be. Heck, i would love it if they find out (somehow) the rest were right to stay on the ship..


We don't get to meet the aliens who built the planet or even find out why they built it. No answers on either of those two fronts.

How long did it take us to find out that the asguard were an alien race, not just a myth? Or that the ancients were still around? IMO that delay is part and parcel for how we do things.


Not to mention the possible introduction of a race that surpasses even the Ancients in terms of advancement. This far out in the universe, anything's possible.

As i mentioned before, the Aschen had the means to make a star.. So why is it hard to believe the ancients could do the same?


The concept of artificially creating a sun and planet is so crazy it’s cool. And the Trek geek in me laughed at Eli.

I laughed at Eli when he made that reference... Been a while since he did one.


We don't know if some aliens even built the planet. I think it was ascended beings.

Who's to say it was built and not just moved though.


and finally their is no indication that ascended powers can do that

We have full circle, where Oma rebuilt the surface of the planet in a few hours.. Who is to say they cannot build a full planet.


Why is it so far fetched to believe they can create a solar system?

I would find it easier to believe they did NOT create it, but just moved the planet/sun from elsewhere.


I find it hard to believe it was the ancients because:
a.) we have never seen them use that kind of power before.
b.) there are easier alternatives in place like powering the stargate
c.) all those things they created were great, but they all took a lot of time to do
d.) Rush or someone mentions unfamiliar markings on the obelisk.
e.) Why wouldn't they leave some sort of message for them?

A) well we saw Oma recreate the planet's surface in Full circle. Who is to say that is all they can do. AND as someone wise once said, Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.
B) as i mentioned elsewhere, who is to sya they WANT us to go back home.
D) who is to say the obelisk was made by them.
E) this one is easier to do imo. Remember their 'non interference. it is easier to do x without making it obvious that they did it, so we don't think it was them, than to DO it and run the risk of us realizing it was them.


One of my biggest beefs with the concept of ascended beings in sci fi series is it creates an artificial plot device that the writers can whip out of the closet any time they want to fix something. They're basically a genie, or a magic wand, and not that much more inventive.

Well at least we don't have to rub a lamp!:cool::cool:

Cont next post

Popcorn
April 17th, 2010, 12:02 PM
I disagree. Remember in 2010, the Aschen had the tech to help us create a sun by converting Jupiter iirc.. And they were no where near as tech advanced as the ancients were.

I have to disagree with your disagree. The Aschen could make a star out of an existing planet that meet all the requirements, By all the 'evidence' they provided in the episode it seemed like no planet was ever there before so its like they made a star and planet out of nothing or brought elements with them to make it unlike the Aschen. Which to me shows they are highly advanced even more so then the ancients.

garhkal
April 17th, 2010, 12:25 PM
Greer, yeah he rocks. Seriously I love his whole demeanor and the way he speaks. Eating the “looks like a kiwi” scene was hilarious.

Hilarious, yes. STUPID as hell, also yes.


I loved Scott here. Never say he isn't loyal, 'cause he is to those he thinks he can help. Volunteering to stay behind on the planet to help TJ and Chloe and the others was a good move, and even Young must've thought so - the Colonel didn't even reproach him for it in the end. "Heart as big as a house" (From Water) indeed.

That to me was the shining moment for Scott. Made him seem more real from all his blandness in past eps. Also showed great conviction.


The whole setup from the beginning threw up red flags for me. Not just that the star was effectively at Age 0, but that the planet had a fully developed, oxygenated atmosphere, AND it appeared to be -the only- planet in the entire system.

Not appeared to be, but WAS. Heck, on the screens where they showed the system, i did not even notice any moons.


So much of Destiny is unexplored, I'm particularly interested in what that "Dome" area is for (shown in Air part 2 I think) and the forward "bridge" or observation deck.

I am more interested in the pyramid like structure in the rear of the ship.


as we know, there are other ascended beings than the Alterans/the Ori. I believe this part of the Universe "has" its onw ascended beings

Remember in SG1, Oma did mention to daniel that the ancients we NOT the only ascended beings..


They know of Destiny, and believe it to be the bringer of the Ancients who they want to meet and impress.

Now that would be interested.. A race who sees what the ancients have done/are doing and actually want to make friends..


I wonder if Scott's desire to stay was 100% because TJ's pregnant. Afterall, he has a kid that he didn't know about (as would Young had everyone been allowed to stay), and he might feel like he's making up for that by being around for TJ and the baby.

From what we have seen of him since that ep, he does seem to be a bit more of the person to step up for what is right... So i would not put that past him to be feeling he needs to stay for the kids sake. BUT part f me is wanting to know was it done cause chloe was also wanting to stay.


However, once again my critique of SGU turns to the writers portraying human actions in an unrealistic manner. In this episode's story why are there not many characters that are dying to know about the obelisk? Shouldn't someone be so obsessed with it that an entire team spends the whole month doing nothing but studying it?

It does seem glaringly messed up that they did not do any exploration of it, but who's to say they DID NOT have a team of people out there doing that 'off camera'..


I don't know about that. In the SG-1 episode "2010" (LOL!) the Aschen were at the point of turning Jupiter into a little sun, so maybe Ancients did have the ability to make stars and planets...


Finally.. Someone else remembers that..


Daniel would be trying to decipher the alien language. While Teal'c would recall the existence of a powerful race of traveler and solar system seeder feared by the goauld but largely unknown.

And then end with "Indeed":cool:


Eli - Loved his Wrath of Khan reference, and his interactions with Wray. I wonder if he's starting to branch out and talk to people he normally wouldn't, in order to get more of a handle on what's going on?

Remember when he first saw her, his instincts was to try and sneak away but Wray noticed him...


The thing I'm wondering is how long would it take before the shuttle runs out of power?



From what we have seen of puddle jumpers a long time. BUT these are less advanced, but larger versions.. Plus we don't know how they recharge...


Even if the aliens come and arent hostile those humans are dead in a generation or two, having less than 80-100 people isnt enough genes to last more that 2-3 generations

Not even that. iirc there were 3 of the 11 who wanted to stay behind who were mil, and then you add in chloe. So with all 4 of them out of it, that left 7 to stay behind.. We had NO idea how many of those 7 were women.

aretood2
April 17th, 2010, 12:27 PM
Gateworld: Adverse to all kinds of soap since October 2009.

And half the members here probably watched soaps at some point in there lives....

BobMartin
April 17th, 2010, 12:30 PM
I thought "Faith" mimiced BSGs god theme where god is pulling the strings eg god thinks, lets start over and send a few humans and Cylons across the galaxy to a new planet. In SGU, God puts a planet right in Destiny's way and it's a planet like earth. One of the characters is pregnant and wants to stay, so we have the Adam and Eve theme.

I also think the Obelisk resembled 2001 Space Odessey.

dosed150
April 17th, 2010, 12:39 PM
I disagree. Remember in 2010, the Aschen had the tech to help us create a sun by converting Jupiter iirc.. And they were no where near as tech advanced as the ancients were.


creating a sun from a gas giant is surely much easier than creating a sun from nothing

Coronach
April 17th, 2010, 12:40 PM
And half the members here probably watched soaps at some point in there lives....

I'll admit, I've seen my fair share of soaps throughout my life. It's for that reason that I find the constant soap references to be ridiculous, but perhaps I've never watched the right soap episode. Maybe there is a soap out there that is just like SGU? :eek:

Coronach
April 17th, 2010, 12:41 PM
creating a sun from a gas giant is surely much easier than creating a sun from nothing

Remember, it would not be the case that they created the sun "from nothing". They would have just used an unknown means, to which we can speculate on endlessly. :P

Kaiphantom
April 17th, 2010, 12:52 PM
I haven't watched soaps, and I might not use that word in particular. But yeah, it does seem partly like those teen dramas, like Dawson's Creek. Soaps are normally all about character interactions, and how each person is acting stupidly towards other people; how they form alliances and friendships and relationships, only to betray or be betrayed. The difference with teen dramas, is that they do it to modern pop songs.

I can forgive the sheer amount of it in SGU in the beginning, as each person is struggling to learn to deal with each other. But I really hope it gets smoothed out and less used as it goes on, as they learn to get along together and confront the unknown; like SG is known for.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 17th, 2010, 01:49 PM
Gateworld: Adverse to all kinds of soap since before October 2009. When exactly? I don't fuggin' know - ask Jelgate! :P

Since the casting calls first showed up online.

Egle01
April 17th, 2010, 01:53 PM
I liked "Faith". It wasn't a mind-blowing episode, but thoroughly enjoyable. :) TJ was great. Although I wish they'd given us more hints about her condition, not so much about TJ/Young. I can't wait to see how this storyline plays out.

morjana
April 17th, 2010, 02:12 PM
SGU series writer, Carl Binder, tweeted his review:

http://twitter.com/cpbinder

My review of the episode Faith (from the set of Faith). http://twitpic.com/1gafne

MFA
April 17th, 2010, 02:14 PM
Young said they could stay if they wanted as long as the military personnel returned to the ship, and they did so I'm pretty sure he let the civilians stay.

After Young's speech, they stepped from one side to the other. The military personnel and then the red-headed fellow stepped behind Young, then TJ. You did not see Scott or Chloe step behind Young, but saw them boarding the ship. Nobody else. I would think the rest of the civilians stayed on the planet.



Didn't see anyone else mention this … Young's telling Rush he was disappointed in not finding the aliens who created the planet because then he wouldn't have anybody as intelligent as he is to talk to … loved it!!

Also agree with just about everyone else re Chloe … and give the girl some character development please!!!

reddevil18
April 17th, 2010, 02:56 PM
Gateworld: Adverse to all kinds of soap since before October 2009. And don't we smell it...

Austro
April 17th, 2010, 03:32 PM
*crosses fingers for the furlings*

I hadent thought about it much but if you look closely at the episode there is a lot of forshadowing. The furlings were known to have been killed on a planet they desided to live on. This planet had no technology. Of the furling technology we have found it all appears to take on an old/primitive form (the tower in faith). For all we know they were not all killed and create the planet we see here.



I remember on the very first episode we saw a damaged room that looked as if it were the size of an arena. After opening the door they found that there was a giant hole in the domed gglass ceiling. The robot, as mentioned earlier are likely repair robots. If this room was fixed i would be SO happy. Looked amazing

MrVivi
April 17th, 2010, 03:42 PM
Episode starts and i find out about a star that apparently somebody made, so i think "U something cool is gonna happen" but of course nothing does, they just land on the planet, hold hands and run around like idiot children. ( Ya thats what hungry, desperate and always in danger people do, very realistic and dramatic must be nice to live in that world).

Then they find that obelisk thing and again i go "U this must be the time something good happens " but off-course nothing does, then the damn obelisk starts to shoot beam of light into the sky and again i go "U something real good is gonna happen" and once again nothing does. After that we have credits and the end, episode over and apparently i spent 45 min. watching nothing i would have more interesting time watching the test signal.

Oh yes what is it with that baby thing i mean besides rising the soap opera element another notch or two not that it can go much higher i mean they are now at Santa Barbara level.

Did someone mention that a good SF drama is what people wont to watch these days did you actually see how long those shows last and if SGU ratings are any indication this show is on a fast track to doomsville.

LoneStar1836
April 17th, 2010, 03:49 PM
I quite liked the episode...more than Divided. And I say that as a critic (sometimes harsh critic) of the first half of the season. I love character driven episodes, and that was certainly what this was. It was those f'n stones that I hated about the first half and the way they were used as a crutch to create character driven eps.

Liked:

- theme of the episode...even though I think it's bit early for people to ditch a tangible way to hopefully return home for one that might (and probably doesn't) exist.

- how they chose to advance the timeline ahead. Yeah it was an easy way to kind of gloss over the rift, but the constant friction was getting tiring. Though I don't take the Young/Rush resolution at face value. That's not going away so easily and I hope it doesn't.

- the chess reference. Even though I'm not exactly a fan of Young, I liked his low key remark to Rush to imply that he can be a patient strategist as well in this little game of theirs. My interpretation any way.

- Young's comment to Rush about not finding intelligent aliens to converse with. :D

- dichotomy between what was going on on the ship and the planet.

- the location. That may be an overused location in tv up there but it's quite beautiful. I know it's set on a ship, but those drab sets do take a toll as the only thing episode after episode.

Questionable:

- What was TJ thinking? Doesn't want her kid growing up on that ship. Is that worse than it not growing up at all? They haven't even been on Destiny for a year and she has completely given up all hope. I think that feeling is a bit premature. I thought she was stronger than that. I just don't see the ones left behind standing much of a chance. Granted living on Destiny doesn't offer the very best chance of survival either, but it offers the best chance of returning home. I get why she wants to stay, but then I don't. Not to mention the obligation to tell Young that she's carrying his child...and what, he gets no say? I think she liked the thought of staying there but reality did finally set in.

- Scott still being lead around by his .... I want to like him, but he's so intertwined with Chloe now that it's difficult to see beyond her as his motivation for staying. I think TJ wanting to stay factored as well, but it would have been interesting if he had made that choice while Chloe had decided to go back to Destiny.

Didn't like:

- the uncertainty of whether any one was left behind or not. Yes that can be answered in the next episode with a random line of dialogue, but I want to know now! :D Especially because my following criticism of Young involves it. And I liked Caine and now he's gone....:mckay:

- Young not doing what needs to be done when the situation calls for it. There didn't need to be an if/then choice for those who wanted to stay behind. The military officers are under his command and they should have been ordered back regardless...at gun point if need be. None of this pansy behavior of offering up the repaired ship if the military personnel returned. And while you are escorting the military peeps back under gun point, you do the same for the civilians who refuse to come back after you inform them that you will be leaving nothing of value behind to help them survive.

Since Young allowed those people to remain behind, did he offer the option to people on Destiny? If he's going to be all diplomatic about it...otherwise force the others to come back. Period.

That's my disagreement with Young...he doesn't want to make the tough decisions. When they thought the ship was going to crash into the star, he leaves it up to a lottery to decide who goes on the shuttle rather than make the tough, practical decision of who gets a spot and who doesn't. He sends himself to go mine ice rather than some other able-bodied man because the mission is dangerous and he doesn't want to risk others. Him dying helps no one. Refuses to even consider risking anyone to test the chair even though there were volunteers. And then here, he again doesn't want to make the tough decision...the only decision, imo,...make everyone come back regardless. He has now left behind some key scientists, the valuable asset of the shuttle, and who knows what kind of supplies.


Third, I didn't see any hypocrisy when it came to Rush's actions today. Rush's suggestion to use force to bring the people back was based on his well-established pragmatic and utterly sentimentality-free nature. His problem is with Young, it's always been with young and in my mind he's showing he's able to look past that personal animosity when he knows full well what must be done. Attrition IS a problem, Destiny can't afford to lose people by the dozens every time they find a nice planet. Considering all the people that will likely die by accident, in war, of natural causes and etc, the decision makes sense. Exactly. I completely agree on all points. In this situation, Rush knew exactly what needed to be done for the good of the people on Destiny.


Other:

- don't care if we ever learn exactly what created that sun/planet and certainly have no interest in running across aliens that advanced. Personally, I ended up hating the arrogant Ancients by the time the two other series were done with them. So if we never see a single Ancient in SGU, I'll be happy.

Am very much looking forward to the next episode. :) The show has picked up considerably in this back half of the season. I actually see hope for the show after all. I'm not completely satisfied with every element in these first three episodes, but it's no where near the level of dissatisfaction I had in a number of those in the first half.

MrVivi
April 17th, 2010, 04:09 PM
Episode starts and i find out about a star that apparently somebody made, so i think "U something cool is gonna happen" but of course nothing does, they just land on the planet, hold hands and run around like idiot children. ( Ya thats what hungry, desperate and always in danger people do, very realistic and dramatic must be nice to live in that world).

Then they find that obelisk thing and again i go "U this must be the time something good happens " but off-course nothing does, then the damn obelisk starts to shoot beam of light into the sky and again i go "U something real good is gonna happen" and once again nothing does. After that we have credits and the end, episode over and apparently i spent 45 min. watching nothing i would have more interesting time watching the test signal.

Oh yes what is it with that baby thing i mean besides rising the soap opera element another notch or two not that it can go much higher i mean they are now at Santa Barbara level.

Did someone mention that a good SF drama is what people wont to watch these days did you actually see how long those shows last and if SGU ratings are any indication this show is on a fast track to doomsville.

EllieVee
April 17th, 2010, 05:06 PM
Do soap operas even use contemporary songs in them?

I think the correct analogy is to teen dramas, such as "Dawson's Creek".

Having said that, I think "Miami Vice" was one of the first shows that I can remember using contemporary, current music in the episodes. Contemporary music was also used (really well, I remember) in the fabulous "Homicide: Life on the Street".

It tends to be overrused. Still not sure if I like it in SGU but I liked the song from Faith (thanks to whoever put up the YouTube link) and I liked the Flogging Molly one. Mind you, I find it a little amusing that fan music vidding started with a science fiction show and has come full circle.

P3X-984
April 17th, 2010, 05:28 PM
Hello to everyone, I'm new to the site. Saw the original movie in the theater, but I didn't get into SG until 2009. Love it, plowed through all eps of SG-1 and SGA and have watched all of SGU. imo i think SGU is getting into gear. Though they've gone about it slowly (and questionably at times), i like how much they've laid the groundwork for characters and are beginning to move things in both a character and plot direction.

As for this episode, i thought so-so at first watching, but after reading reviews and watching again I think it's going to be a long-term great one. We have both sides of the internal conflict realizing just how much they need one another and how important each side's point of view is important to survival. I may be wrong, but i think this season's storyline will end with an awesome "Okay, we're all in this together, it's OUR ship, let's destroy those against us" moments.

We also got some good nuggets in the ep. The robot will of course be awesome whenever they get to it. And i think the planet itself (and imo those that stayed behind) will at some point come back in play. Maybe not this season, but that is a great storyline just waiting to be written.

Love the site, podcasts, etc.!

marty2006
April 17th, 2010, 06:26 PM
Slightly disappointed with the episode. Although it was decent, i expected more from it. What in the hell was Dr. Cane all about though? Madman!

jelgate
April 17th, 2010, 06:29 PM
Slightly disappointed with the episode. Although it was decent, i expected more from it. What in the hell was Dr. Cane all about though? Madman!

Belief have a strange way of making people strong in their convictions

carmencatalina
April 17th, 2010, 06:51 PM
As for this episode, i thought so-so at first watching, but after reading reviews and watching again I think it's going to be a long-term great one. We have both sides of the internal conflict realizing just how much they need one another and how important each side's point of view is important to survival.

Welcome!

I agree with you - I think this episode will mark the beginning of a sea change.

wurlitzer153
April 17th, 2010, 07:20 PM
HBMC writes: “1. Did they leave people behind, and if so, who?
2. Was the pregnancy written into the show because of Alaina Huffman’s actual pregnancy, or was this always the plan?”

SPOILERS FOR FAITH…

Answers: 1. Yes. Kaine stayed behind with about a half dozen of his fellow crew members.

2. In Denis’ original pitch, a female crew member discovers she’s pregnant. As it so happened, actress Alaina Huffman announced her pregnancy around this time – so, rather than give the story to a secondary character, we gave it to the Tamara character.
Follow link for more:
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/april-17-2010-dinner-at-shanghai-chinese-bistro/

Pizerer
April 17th, 2010, 08:28 PM
I feel as if the show is finally starting to settle and find its place. There was less pointless bickering, a greater sense of comradery, we got to explore Destiny a little more and a great story premise imo.


"Faith" has to be the most enjoyable episode so far. I might have actually enjoyed it more than "Space".

Kyarra
April 17th, 2010, 09:01 PM
In that last exchange between Rush and Young, when he mentioned he liked to play chess, did anyone else pick up on the subtle double-meaning there, as if Young made his attempt at a joke ("Hey look I can be a nice guy") but then reminded Rush he's good at what he does ("I still have my eye on you, and I am ready to make the next move if you ever do"). Or was I reading way too much into it? :)

I kinda saw it as a warning to Rush, myself. Young maybe cautioning him against making another move like he did in Divided. But maybe I'm reading into it too much too. :)

FoX-1028
April 17th, 2010, 09:01 PM
No more Dr Caine.... poor James XD!

NEW! April 17 - "The Destiny takes off and leaves Lt. Scott, Eli, Chloe and Greer trapped in the ruins of an underground maze, prompting Dr. Rush and Col. Young to devise a recovery plan to save the stranded away team before the ship leaves the galaxy."
(TV Guide) OH boy! cant wait for "Lost"

they will most likely come back using the stargate and not like Rush in an Alien Ship xD

the fifth man
April 17th, 2010, 09:22 PM
I kinda saw it as a warning to Rush, myself. Young maybe cautioning him against making another move like he did in Divided. But maybe I'm reading into it too much too. :)

I hadn't thought of his statement like that. Very interesting take on it though.

Alan Wake
April 17th, 2010, 09:29 PM
I've watched this episode 9 times now.

I'm too lazy to change the channel, so my recording keeps looping.

on the 10th now.

Phenom
April 17th, 2010, 10:13 PM
Good for you. I thought it was pretty good for what its worth.

evilasgard222
April 17th, 2010, 11:53 PM
the biggest problem with this theory is that whoever made this planet IS the most advanced race ever encountered. So, if it was those guys from space than they would have no problem with destiny's deffences and would not even be interested in destiny in the first place.

Demerzel
April 18th, 2010, 12:00 AM
In my humble opinion this was by far the most boring episode of the show so far. Character development aside, it was horribly boring and I was very, very disappointed not to get any explaination about the obelisk, the light and everything else. Nothing happened at all in that episode. Made me like TJ even more, and Young is his usual awesome and psychotic self, I wouldn't want him any other way.

But until the new BSG spin-off hits the air (which will take a very long time since it's only in development), this is the only sci-fi show that's worth watching in-between 24 episodes.

rushy
April 18th, 2010, 12:27 AM
It was the most boring episode ever. It was even more boring than the episode where they only used the stones. Nothing good except the repaired shuttle and the obelisk. I hoped the ending would be Franklin waking up from his coma. He's been there for now 3 episodes.

EllieVee
April 18th, 2010, 12:59 AM
I expect Human will have Franklin in it.

Excali5033
April 18th, 2010, 01:40 AM
Decent, if somewhat predictable. However what sticks out in my mind most is OLDEST. A1C. IN. HISTORY.

g.o.d
April 18th, 2010, 01:51 AM
It felt like a SG-1 episode, but because of that, it felt dissapointing that they did not try to decipher or do what Daniel did. So it was like you were expecting something to happen with this discovery but then nothing happened. It set up like Stargate and even though it did go into character focus, that also fell short even for a SGU kinda episode. It is like hitting the warning track in a baseball game and only getting a single instead of a Homerun. lol.


it wouldn't make any sense if they would manage to decypher an unknown obelisk. Given the fact, they're on the "other side" of the Universe, I don't see how they could decypher it. In SG-1/SGA almost everything was based on Ancient or Goa'uld language, so it was quite easy to use an alien technology (to be fair, it was sometimes absurd), but here? No way.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 18th, 2010, 01:55 AM
Episode starts and i find out about a star that apparently somebody made, so i think "U something cool is gonna happen" but of course nothing does, they just land on the planet, hold hands and run around like idiot children. ( Ya thats what hungry, desperate and always in danger people do, very realistic and dramatic must be nice to live in that world).

Then they find that obelisk thing and again i go "U this must be the time something good happens " but off-course nothing does, then the damn obelisk starts to shoot beam of light into the sky and again i go "U something real good is gonna happen" and once again nothing does. After that we have credits and the end, episode over and apparently i spent 45 min. watching nothing i would have more interesting time watching the test signal.

Oh yes what is it with that baby thing i mean besides rising the soap opera element another notch or two not that it can go much higher i mean they are now at Santa Barbara level.

Did someone mention that a good SF drama is what people wont to watch these days did you actually see how long those shows last and if SGU ratings are any indication this show is on a fast track to doomsville.

So what you're saying is "something happened and then nothing happened until something happened and then nothing happened until something else happened"

I completely agree... and all the stuff you mentioned happening was AWESOME!

PG15
April 18th, 2010, 02:52 AM
Sickeningly positive and long review ahead!

Anyways, Faith was a fascinating episode! It didn't have the excitement and tension found in Space and Divided, but it made up for it with its cerebral storytelling.

The episode was in essence a metaphor for how people handle their faith. Instead of a promise of an eternal paradise that religion gives the peoples of the real world, the "paradise" is made real for the crew of the Destiny, and it's up to them to decide whether to embrace it, or be critical of it.

We have people like Dr. Caine who entirely embraced the idea that there is meaning here beyond the reality of a star and a planet that's formed too quickly, and that a higher power is involved. After the hellish weeks on Destiny, the sharp difference in environment seems to have swept him up.

Then you have the opposite side of the coin, as with the scientist with the red hair. He questions this "higher power" idea and points out that this isn't necessarily a paradise at all, but a very real planet that could have "mood swings" if it wants to.

And then you have others, like TJ, who just sees the planet as a better place than Destiny, and that that's all it is - but that's not selling it short either. The planet is great, so why not stay?

It is a great parallel of the theist, the atheist, and the pragmatist we all meet in the real world, all made possible through a Sci-fi setting. Furthermore, the fact that we never found out what the truth was fits perfectly with how faith works in real life. That is some masterful storytelling right there!

I also loved how the montage served to highlight this, with its juxtaposition of the scenes on the planet and the scenes on the ship. On the planet, the sky was clear, the sun was shining, the air was clean, and everyone had fun enjoying themslves. Meanwhile, on the ship, it was work-work-work, and everything was dark and dank; a great contrast between heaven and hell, so to speak. Or, perhaps Destiny is just reality (to keep to the metaphor of Destiny being our daily lives, and the planet being paradise), and hell is something much much worse.

So, apart from all that scifi goodness, we also had good ole' SGU character development and interactions. There were several that comes to mind.

First of all, TJ. My goodness. Not only was Alaina Huffman's performance incredible in this episode, but she was absolutely stunning with her hair down like that. What can I say; I am a guy after all. I loved the few moments where she reminisced about her childhood - especially the mention of the Olympic Peninsula. I've been there a few times and it is truly a beautiful place.

That little smile she wore when she found the last piece of her memory puzzle - the waterfall - was heartwarming. Then, later on, it became heartbreaking as she struggled with her decision to stay. Her conviction to stay for the betterment of her child was very moving and her strength at that moment shone right through (though it could've also been the baby glow ;)). I've gotta admit, I've always liked TJ, but never thought she was that interesting (it might have had something to do with her lack of screentime) - until now. Her character just jumped quite a few levels in interest for me. Not only did we get a revelation about her, but we also saw her in a bad place - she was pushed to her limits personally and it's always good to see characters like that.

At the end though, TJ chose to stay on the Destiny in order to fulfill her function as CMO. This was a noble decision, but I think she made it knowing that people such as Scott will not let her baby be harmed in anyway if they can help it.

Speaking of Scott, he also gained a few levels in Awesomeness. Not only did he do well ordering people around down on the planet, he also showed a sense of honor and leadership by choosing to go against Young just so he can protect the people on the planet when they decided to stay. When one realizes that this means he will never see his son again, it adds an extra layer of nobility to his actions. Good stuff.

At the same time, when TJ told him he was pregnant, he seemed to be momentarily speechless; he almost had a "deer-in-a-headlights" look to him during that revelation; it just shows that he's not quite the stoic leader Young is (yet?), and that he still lets his emotions rule him at times. It's a flaw, but flaws are usually good in TV land.

And then there was his scene with TJ in the shuttle. Wonderful scene. The two actors have great chemistry, and it was great to see Scott caring so much for TJ in her time of need. I think this has everything to do with Scott's past - especially with that look he gave some ways into that scene - I saw how the memories of his past instantly erupted back into the front parts of his mind. This time he is not going to make the same mistake and abandon the pregnant girl, even if he wasn't responsible for it this time. He is going to make amends.

Now that I think about it, perhaps Scott stayed not only to protect them all, but to especially protect TJ and her child.

And perhaps Chloe as well. The coldness between her and Scott was obvious and pretty much every scene between them was awkward as hell, which is good. The shot of Scott and Chloe in the pond in the montage was very telling - there's a bit of mutual "I really want to work this out" thing going on there, and I think it added significant depth to the relationship. Then again, we also saw frustration - I thought Scott's "Have you forgotten what those aliens did to you the last time we met them?" line was a bit harsh, and Chloe seemed stung by it. Not surprising, considering Scott has been one of her emotional pillars in the show. It will definitely take some time for them to get back to normal, if it happens at all.

I think this relationship could suffer a few more tests before they break it off - but ends up getting back together near the end. This way, it allows the characters to grow while apart from each other, but also doesn't remove the obvious emotional bond between them. Also, I just like to see those "soulmate" relationships in shows where they get together in the end no matter what happens to test them. What can I say, I'm a guy AND a romantic. A lethal combination.

Speaking of Chloe - she didn't get that much screentime, but what she had was good. I liked how she tried to ask for work when she didn't get assigned to a team, and how she helped TJ when she got sick. What I really liked though, was how she stood up for her beliefs once again in her defence of the people who wanted to stay. I love this aspect of her character; she is uncompromising on the value of a human life and the free will that is a right of every one of those lives.

One relationship that came out of nowhere for me was Wray and Eli. I was wondering what was going on there until I had 2 revelations: 1). Eli usually hangs out with Chloe, Scott, and Greer, but they're gone. I doubt he wants to hang out with Rush or Young at the moment, so that leaves Wray. He also tried to get away before being caught. Also, 2). Wray now understands the importance of Eli to the "cold war" that is serving as an undercurrent between her, Rush, and Young, and if she can manipulate Eli into being on her side, then there is more power to her.

Then again, maybe she just wants to be friends with him and no manipulation is involved. It's just so hard to tell with this show, which is Awesome!

Speaking of Awesome, I think it's about time we tell the Dictionary people to list "Greer" as a synonym of it. Seriously, not only does Jamil do masterful work with every line he's given, every line he's given is a masterful work! Haha! You see what I did there? Anyway, I loved his moments in this episode. His "You are both going to dig, and you're both going to love it" speech; definitely a highlight. There was also the bit at the end with him siding with Young right away - not unexpected, but it raises 2 questions:

1. Now that he's seen how Scott and TJ go against Young, how will he feel about them?

2. What will it take for him to be disloyal to Young?

Interesting questions that I hope TPTB will explore somewhere down the line. Scott and TJ are definitely less loyal to Young than Greer is (consider the scene in Air II where Young wanted to sacrifice himself). On the other hand, Greer seemed to go with Scott against Young just fine in "Space" - does this mean that the one thing that will make Greer be disloyal is the issue of sacrificing lives? We saw how Greer was broken up inside when he saw all those lives he lost in "Time", after all. Another interesting idea to think about, IMHO.

Ahhhh! I love how consistent these characters are! LOVE IT!

Also loved the Brody-Park team up. Hilarious! Brody continues his pessimism shown in "Darkness", and no doubt Park is so optimistic all the time thanks to her little book club.

Finally, we have the seeds of a Young-Rush-Wray leadership council. Seeing them discussing the issue together without any significant shouting matches was refreshing, and it was nice seeing them all calming down a bit and realizing that they HAVE to work together, or else. Young's efforts in being nice to Rush really made him likeable again after the bad things he did in the last few episodes (during which he wasn't very likeable, but extremely interesting - which luckily he still is). It was pretty funny seeing Rush being all shocked at Young's new attitude.

The "I like chess" line is going to be important, I think.

One last thing: the CGI in the episode was FANTASTIC. It goes without saying that it looked realistic, but it was also just *beautiful*, especially the shots of the Destiny in front of the star, and that one shot of the shuttle cruising amongst the clouds of the planet. I literally shouted out "Wow!" when I saw that shot. Incredible.

One nitpick though: when the shuttle first landed on the planet, the grass and weeds beneath it didn't move at all; I thought that was kind of odd.

So anyway, I think that's all I got (cue the reader breathing a sigh of relief). It was a great episode, and it made me think quite a bit. Denis the Freelancer did a pretty good job!

EllieVee
April 18th, 2010, 03:03 AM
Nice review, PG.

morjana
April 18th, 2010, 03:12 AM
Also loved the Brody-Park team up. Hilarious! Brody continues his pessimism shown in "Darkness", and no doubt Park is so optimistic all the time thanks to her little book club.
!

Snort! Oh my gosh...I think I woke up the neighbors with that laugh.

Excellent review, PG15! Thank you!

MattSilver 3k
April 18th, 2010, 03:32 AM
PG do not ever apologise for being sickening positive. It makes me all sickeningly glow-y inside with sickly joy. Give me a P!

P!

Give me an ositivity!

ositivity!

Positivity!

EllieVee
April 18th, 2010, 04:50 AM
PG do not ever apologise for being sickening positive. It makes me all sickeningly glow-y inside with sickly joy. Give me a P!

P!

Give me an ositivity!

ositivity!

Positivity!

I don't want to sound negative but I don't think that quite works as a rah rah chant.

MattSilver 3k
April 18th, 2010, 05:00 AM
I don't want to sound negative but I don't think that quite works as a rah rah chant.

I don't mean to sound negative, but you're a grade A buzzkill. :P

Eternal Density
April 18th, 2010, 05:05 AM
This was a pretty fun ep. Not action packed like the last couple but still plenty happening arc-wise and lots of juicy character stuff. Plus use of the shuttles and some visuals of flying around the sun!
The planet sure looked great, especially the waterfall, which I want to name "TJ's waterfall". As for TJ herself, she should let her hair down more often. Seriously, she was glowing!
This is the third time people have been left behind. The second time was Rush and he's already back, so it'll be interesting to see whether we hear from any of the others ever again.
Greer was especially good - as always!

EllieVee
April 18th, 2010, 05:22 AM
I don't mean to sound negative, but you're a grade A buzzkill. :P

Yep.

Colonel Chris
April 18th, 2010, 05:23 AM
When i was watching this episode i noticed that when Chloe was talking to TJ when they arrived on the planet it looked to me like they were sitting on some cut down logs, but what i don't get is, they were there for at least five maybe ten minutes, how could those logs have got there

SG-Chris
April 18th, 2010, 05:30 AM
First post here, So first of all hi all, nice to be among my fellow fans.

I think this episode was very good. Not as good as some this season though. I personaly think that we will not see this planet again, i would like to be proved wrong as it would be cool to see the aliens that are clearly advanced, but i think this episode was to put across the point that its a big ol' universe out there and from time to time the crew of the destiny are going to come across things that they are going to want to stay and study. The problem with this is that they never have much time, as before they can scratch the surface its time to go back into FTL. I think Col. Young summed this up well at the episode when he said to Rush that hes sorry he didnt get his wish, and meet the aliens. Rush knows that this is not the last time that his "wishes" will not come true.

As I said before its a big ol' universe.

Ramses818
April 18th, 2010, 07:33 AM
Not my favorite episode.

The problem I have with this episode is that they set it up for something big. They set up the Destiny dropping out of FTL at some unknown place and finding a "man-made" star and planet. When they go down there they find some sort of alien tech. But there is no climax to the episode. There isn't even a love story going on. There's no finding out any information about the creators of the planet. The only issue that is brought up is to stay or leave. Big woop.

Back on Destiny, they go searching the ship and we don't see anything substantial they find.

Overall this episode gets a C grade.

In most shows this whole episode would have been a 10-15 minute segment not an entire episode.

And did they leave anyone or not.

And I don't think that Rush is playing his cards to make everyone hate Young again. It is a people and numbers issue. A) Young has a responsibility to get the people back to earth. B) If they are in for the long haul on Destiny every body manning a position helps. They can't let people leave everytime they find a resort town.

Ramses818
April 18th, 2010, 07:36 AM
Good thing about the episode though...we find out how long they have been on Destiny it is about 14 weeks. TJ tells Chloe that she is pregnant from just before they left Icarus base and she is about 15 weeks. So that is how long they have been out their. Now, at the end of the 4 week stay, she is closer to 18-19 weeks.
I would hate for it to be a time-line problem if they mess up the time that she is pregnant (if she actually has the kid).

But it is a good way to write in the actor's real life pregnancy.

Kaiphantom
April 18th, 2010, 07:53 AM
The shot of Scott and Chloe in the pond in the montage was very telling - there's a bit of mutual "I really want to work this out" thing going on there, and I think it added significant depth to the relationship.

Really? Interesting, I didn't see that at all. In fact, since there were no spoken lines, we have to take it as fact that they didn't feel that way at all. It's one of the things other people in the forum have drilled into me: if we don't blatantly see or hear it on the show, it didn't happen, and there is obviously no subtext or anything like that going on.


I think this relationship could suffer a few more tests before they break it off - but ends up getting back together near the end. This way, it allows the characters to grow while apart from each other, but also doesn't remove the obvious emotional bond between them. Also, I just like to see those "soulmate" relationships in shows where they get together in the end no matter what happens to test them. What can I say, I'm a guy AND a romantic. A lethal combination.

My just-as-valid opinion says that he supported her, she betrayed him, and is now being cold to him. And however upset at her Scott is, he's ultimately a guy with a weakness for the flesh, so he'll allow himself to be sucked back in, regardless of how things might end up. There is too much baggage between them now to make something work; and as you've noticed, they need to be apart in order to grow.


Speaking of Chloe - she didn't get that much screentime, but what she had was good. I liked how she tried to ask for work when she didn't get assigned to a team, and how she helped TJ when she got sick. What I really liked though, was how she stood up for her beliefs once again in her defence of the people who wanted to stay. I love this aspect of her character; she is uncompromising on the value of a human life and the free will that is a right of every one of those lives.

I found it interesting that she didn't say anything about helping while on the ship, just a "I want to go" kind of thing. I wonder how she would have responded, if she was asked to dig the latrine?

I also found the subtext to hint more at still being attached to Scott, which is the reason she ultimately came back as well. Her motives were never explained, otherwise.

Interesting review overall, though.

Commander Zelix
April 18th, 2010, 08:04 AM
Sickeningly positive and long review ahead!

Anyways, Faith was a fascinating episode! It didn't have the excitement and tension found in Space and Divided, but it made up for it with its cerebral storytelling.

The episode was in essence a metaphor for how people handle their faith. Instead of a promise of an eternal paradise that religion gives the peoples of the real world, the "paradise" is made real for the crew of the Destiny, and it's up to them to decide whether to embrace it, or be critical of it.

We have people like Dr. Caine who entirely embraced the idea that there is meaning here beyond the reality of a star and a planet that's formed too quickly, and that a higher power is involved. After the hellish weeks on Destiny, the sharp difference in environment seems to have swept him up.

Then you have the opposite side of the coin, as with the scientist with the red hair. He questions this "higher power" idea and points out that this isn't necessarily a paradise at all, but a very real planet that could have "mood swings" if it wants to.

And then you have others, like TJ, who just sees the planet as a better place than Destiny, and that that's all it is - but that's not selling it short either. The planet is great, so why not stay?

It is a great parallel of the theist, the atheist, and the pragmatist we all meet in the real world, all made possible through a Sci-fi setting. That is some masterful storytelling right there!

I also loved how the montage served to highlight this, with its juxtaposition of the scenes on the planet and the scenes on the ship. On the planet, the sky was clear, the sun was shining, the air was clean, and everyone had fun enjoying themslves. Meanwhile, on the ship, it was work-work-work, and everything was dark and dank; a great contrast between heaven and hell, so to speak. Or, perhaps Destiny is just reality (to keep to the metaphor of Destiny being our daily lives, and the planet being paradise), and hell is something much much worse.

So, apart from all that scifi goodness, we also had good ole' SGU character development and interactions. There were several that comes to mind.

First of all, TJ. My goodness. Not only was Alaina Huffman's performance incredible in this episode, but she was absolutely stunning with her hair down like that. What can I say; I am a guy after all. I loved the few moments where she reminisced about her childhood - especially the mention of the Olympic Peninsula. I've been there a few times and it is truly a beautiful place.

That little smile she wore when she found the last piece of her memory puzzle - the waterfall - was heartwarming. Then, later on, it became heartbreaking as she struggled with her decision to stay. Her conviction to stay for the betterment of her child was very moving and her strength at that moment shone right through (though it could've also been the baby glow ;)). I've gotta admit, I've always liked TJ, but never thought she was that interesting (it might have had something to do with her lack of screentime) - until now. Her character just jumped quite a few levels in interest for me. Not only did we get a revelation about her, but we also saw her in a bad place - she was pushed to her limits personally and it's always good to see characters like that.

At the end though, TJ chose to stay on the Destiny in order to fulfill her function as CMO. This was a noble decision, but I think she made it knowing that people such as Scott will not let her baby be harmed in anyway if they can help it.

Speaking of Scott, he also gained a few levels in Awesomeness. Not only did he do well ordering people around down on the planet, he also showed a sense of honor and leadership by choosing to go against Young just so he can protect the people on the planet when they decided to stay. When one realizes that this means he will never see his son again, it adds an extra layer of nobility to his actions. Good stuff.

At the same time, when TJ told him he was pregnant, he seemed to be momentarily speechless; he almost had a "deer-in-a-headlights" look to him during that revelation; it just shows that he's not quite the stoic leader Young is (yet?), and that he still lets his emotions rule him at times. It's a flaw, but flaws are usually good in TV land.

And then there was his scene with TJ in the shuttle. Wonderful scene. The two actors have great chemistry, and it was great to see Scott caring so much for TJ in her time of need. I think this has everything to do with Scott's past - especially with that look he gave some ways into that scene - I saw how the memories of his past instantly erupted back into the front parts of his mind. This time he is not going to make the same mistake and abandon the pregnant girl, even if he wasn't responsible for it this time. He is going to make amends.

Now that I think about it, perhaps Scott stayed not only to protect them all, but to especially protect TJ and her child.

And perhaps Chloe as well. The coldness between her and Scott was obvious and pretty much every scene between them was awkward as hell, which is good. The shot of Scott and Chloe in the pond in the montage was very telling - there's a bit of mutual "I really want to work this out" thing going on there, and I think it added significant depth to the relationship. Then again, we also saw frustration - I thought Scott's "Have you forgotten what those aliens did to you the last time we met them?" line was a bit harsh, and Chloe seemed stung by it. Not surprising, considering Scott has been one of her emotional pillars in the show. It will definitely take some time for them to get back to normal, if it happens at all.

I think this relationship could suffer a few more tests before they break it off - but ends up getting back together near the end. This way, it allows the characters to grow while apart from each other, but also doesn't remove the obvious emotional bond between them. Also, I just like to see those "soulmate" relationships in shows where they get together in the end no matter what happens to test them. What can I say, I'm a guy AND a romantic. A lethal combination.

Speaking of Chloe - she didn't get that much screentime, but what she had was good. I liked how she tried to ask for work when she didn't get assigned to a team, and how she helped TJ when she got sick. What I really liked though, was how she stood up for her beliefs once again in her defence of the people who wanted to stay. I love this aspect of her character; she is uncompromising on the value of a human life and the free will that is a right of every one of those lives.

One relationship that came out of nowhere for me was Wray and Eli. I was wondering what was going on there until I had 2 revelations: 1). Eli usually hangs out with Chloe, Scott, and Greer, but they're gone. I doubt he wants to hang out with Rush or Young at the moment, so that leaves Wray. He also tried to get away before being caught. Also, 2). Wray now understands the importance of Eli to the "cold war" that is serving as an undercurrent between her, Rush, and Young, and if she can manipulate Eli into being on her side, then there is more power to her.

Then again, maybe she just wants to be friends with him and no manipulation is involved. It's just so hard to tell with this show, which is Awesome!

Speaking of Awesome, I think it's about time we tell the Dictionary people to list "Greer" as a synonym of it. Seriously, not only does Jamil do masterful work with every line he's given, every line he's given is a masterful work! Haha! You see what I did there? Anyway, I loved his moments in this episode. His "You are both going to dig, and you're both going to love it" speech; definitely a highlight. There was also the bit at the end with him siding with Young right away - not unexpected, but it raises 2 questions:

1. Now that he's seen how Scott and TJ go against Young, how will he feel about them?

2. What will it take for him to be disloyal to Young?

Interesting questions that I hope TPTB will explore somewhere down the line. Scott and TJ are definitely less loyal to Young than Greer is (consider the scene in Air II where Young wanted to sacrifice himself). On the other hand, Greer seemed to go with Scott against Young just fine in "Space" - does this mean that the one thing that will make Greer be disloyal is the issue of sacrificing lives? We saw how Greer was broken up inside when he saw all those lives he lost in "Time", after all. Another interesting idea to think about, IMHO.

Ahhhh! I love how consistent these characters are! LOVE IT!

Also loved the Brody-Park team up. Hilarious! Brody continues his pessimism shown in "Darkness", and no doubt Park is so optimistic all the time thanks to her little book club.

Finally, we have the seeds of a Young-Rush-Wray leadership council. Seeing them discussing the issue together without any significant shouting matches was refreshing, and it was nice seeing them all calming down a bit and realizing that they HAVE to work together, or else. Young's efforts in being nice to Rush really made him likeable again after the bad things he did in the last few episodes (during which he wasn't very likeable, but extremely interesting - which luckily he still is). It was pretty funny seeing Rush being all shocked at Young's new attitude.

The "I like chess" line is going to be important, I think.

One last thing: the CGI in the episode was FANTASTIC. It goes without saying that it looked realistic, but it was also just *beautiful*, especially the shots of the Destiny in front of the star, and that one shot of the shuttle cruising amongst the clouds of the planet. I literally shouted out "Wow!" when I saw that shot. Incredible.

One nitpick though: when the shuttle first landed on the planet, the grass and weeds beneath it didn't move at all; I thought that was kind of odd.

So anyway, I think that's all I got (cue the reader breathing a sigh of relief). It was a great episode, and it made me think quite a bit. Denis the Freelancer did a pretty good job!

Wow, the review was better than the episode itself. :D

Can you take some time to do another Earth and Life review please?

jelgate
April 18th, 2010, 08:45 AM
When i was watching this episode i noticed that when Chloe was talking to TJ when they arrived on the planet it looked to me like they were sitting on some cut down logs, but what i don't get is, they were there for at least five maybe ten minutes, how could those logs have got thereMaybe the trees just fell after old age. Maybe this log is the origin of Rush's chess board

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 18th, 2010, 09:01 AM
Sickeningly positive and long review ahead!


....I love your positive review, and you've touched on so many things that I liked about the episode as well!


PG do not ever apologise for being sickening positive. It makes me all sickeningly glow-y inside with sickly joy. Give me a P!

P!

Give me an ositivity!

ositivity!

Positivity!
I'll cheer too! Let me find my pom poms!


First post here, So first of all hi all, nice to be among my fellow fans.

I think this episode was very good. Not as good as some this season though. I personaly think that we will not see this planet again, i would like to be proved wrong as it would be cool to see the aliens that are clearly advanced, but i think this episode was to put across the point that its a big ol' universe out there and from time to time the crew of the destiny are going to come across things that they are going to want to stay and study. The problem with this is that they never have much time, as before they can scratch the surface its time to go back into FTL. I think Col. Young summed this up well at the episode when he said to Rush that hes sorry he didnt get his wish, and meet the aliens. Rush knows that this is not the last time that his "wishes" will not come true.

As I said before its a big ol' universe.
I have a funny thought that, not soon after they left that planet, that it simply winked out of existence. That it offered what was needed to whomever needed it. That the science fictiony obelisk etc isn't something that was meant to be deciphered but that it just offered itself up to the scientists that needed that to be complete.
You had a Kino shot of them all on the planet. I think the Destiny herself was watching, and offered them what they wanted, when they needed it. When they didn't need it anymore? I think that planet disappears.

Commander Zelix
April 18th, 2010, 09:05 AM
I have a funny thought that, not soon after they left that planet, that it simply winked out of existence. That it offered what was needed to whomever needed it. That the science fictiony obelisk etc isn't something that was meant to be deciphered but that it just offered itself up to the scientists that needed that to be complete.
You had a Kino shot of them all on the planet. I think the Destiny herself was watching, and offered them what they wanted, when they needed it. When they didn't need it anymore? I think that planet disappears.
Sure, its called a plot device. :P

jelgate
April 18th, 2010, 09:07 AM
I have a funny thought that, not soon after they left that planet, that it simply winked out of existence. That it offered what was needed to whomever needed it. That the science fictiony obelisk etc isn't something that was meant to be deciphered but that it just offered itself up to the scientists that needed that to be complete.
You had a Kino shot of them all on the planet. I think the Destiny herself was watching, and offered them what they wanted, when they needed it. When they didn't need it anymore? I think that planet disappears.

And what drove you to that theory? You can't just make something disappear

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 18th, 2010, 09:08 AM
And what drove you to that theory? You can't just make something disappear

the planet itself simply appeared in the first place, so why not disappear?

jelgate
April 18th, 2010, 09:10 AM
the planet itself simply appeared in the first place, so why not disappear?

It couldn't just appear. Something had to create those things.

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 18th, 2010, 09:11 AM
It couldn't just appear. Something had to create those things.

of course something did, just thinking that the same thing that created it could just as easily wink it out of existence :)
In any case, it's just bits of wondering from my brain, nothing to worry about :D

Commander Zelix
April 18th, 2010, 09:25 AM
And what drove you to that theory? You can't just make something disappear
Maybe with some very advanced large scale transporter technology. A moving super gate could work.

Stealth technology could work too.

jelgate
April 18th, 2010, 09:30 AM
Maybe with some very advanced large scale transporter technology. A moving super gate could work.

Stealth technology could work too.

Something like that would put off a lot energy.

s09119
April 18th, 2010, 09:55 AM
Something like that would put off a lot energy.

Would it? We're working with human-level physics and their laws, after all. Who's to say a race this advanced hasn't discovered a whole new reality of laws and constants that work entirely differently?

MrVivi
April 18th, 2010, 09:58 AM
So what you're saying is "something happened and then nothing happened until something happened and then nothing happened until something else happened"

I completely agree... and all the stuff you mentioned happening was AWESOME!


and all of that, that you say happened means squat as it is now, but as long as they can run home to mommy and cry some will call it a great plot twists and dramatic moments.

garhkal
April 18th, 2010, 01:42 PM
And half the members here probably watched soaps at some point in there lives....

When i lived in england as a lass, i watched Neighbours, corronation street and sometimes, crossroads motel.


2). Wray now understands the importance of Eli to the "cold war" that is serving as an undercurrent between her, Rush, and Young, and if she can manipulate Eli into being on her side, then there is more power to her

I didn't even think of that aspect to why Wray took a liking to him,


Something like that would put off a lot energy.

The stealthed cities of the Nox didn't put off energy. Neither did the oblesks in SG1 where merlin had his stuff.

theta123
April 18th, 2010, 01:50 PM
I liked this episode

It has this mystery like other SG1 and SGA episode's.

Cant wait for this friday!

blackluster
April 18th, 2010, 03:29 PM
I really enjoyed the ep. I was very pleased with the amount of content in terms of discussion topics. Even though I don't stake much on Lt. James' insight into robotic technology, the mere possibility of an ancient robot of this period in Ancient history makes SGU exponentially more awesome. Though some have theorized that it is a repair bot I actually wonder if it isn't perhaps some aspect of Destiny's defense system. A sort of Mk 1 of the drones they would later use to defend their ships and facilities.

I really enjoyed the Rush scenes as well. At last, Young does virtually all the things he should have been doing a long time ago. His discussion with Wray and Rush really showed the benefits of letting them provide input. The way their discussion panned out, it was as if Wray spoke to Young's conscience and Rush spoke to his practical mind, which I think provides exactly the kind of balance that Young's decision making has been lacking till now. In the end he was able to walk a middle ground that he could resolutely believe in which is important for his own mental stability.

I laughed at the end where Young sympathizes that Rush couldn't get the answers he wanted. Rush was truly dumbstruck. I must say though that I felt something important about Rush was revealed to the other characters that we the viewers have known for some time. Rush's motivations, what truly moves him, is the desire to discover and learn in this dangerous yet spectacular situation they find themselves in. I know some people have attributed a passive aggressive connotation to Young's statement about enjoying chess, but I felt it was a truly peace offering comment that came from Young since he was finally able to understand something about what makes Rush tick, some motivation of his that cannot be easily linked to some nefarious will to do harm. He lives his life on Destiny as someone embracing his destiny (to discover amazing knowledge), not as a victim of his destiny as some people seem to be who are being whittled away in mind and spirit.

I found myself absorbed by some of the fantastic ideas of exploration that came to the fore in this ep. I sort of wondered to myself if I'd be able to embark on that camping trip spending a week away from what I've come to know in an expedition based on so many variables. The mystery of this planet and star was also fascinating though unlike other viewers, I didn't really relate the lack of information about it or the obelisk to a commentary on faith, but rather on the amazing things that lie in wait at the far side on the universe.

In terms of plot going forward, I suspect that while we won't see the planet or the departed again, do have a feeling that we'll being seeing some more obelisks in the future. It would be interesting if they had some role in the politics in the parts of the universe Destiny travels. What I mean is that it would be interesting if the blue aliens perhaps knew of these structures but such that they knew to stay the heck away from them. Destiny may well have triggered a galactic incident and while that is just fanciful thinking, I think it creates some plausible avenues for the writers to explore. As another poster mentioned, we may be seeing the prelude to SGU's "Thor's Hammer" episode.

Overall, nice ep, plenty to talk about and the beginnings of some intriguing canon that would be completely unique to SGU.

PG15
April 18th, 2010, 04:15 PM
Nice review, PG.


Snort! Oh my gosh...I think I woke up the neighbors with that laugh.

Excellent review, PG15! Thank you!


PG do not ever apologise for being sickening positive. It makes me all sickeningly glow-y inside with sickly joy. Give me a P!

P!

Give me an ositivity!

ositivity!

Positivity!


I love your positive review, and you've touched on so many things that I liked about the episode as well!


Wow, the review was better than the episode itself. :D

Thanks folks! :D

POSITIVITY!!





Can you take some time to do another Earth and Life review please?

Actually, I've already written a review for Life, but I just didn't post it here. Instead, I posted it in the comments of Joe Mallozzi's blog entries, here (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/november-20-2009-a-bittersweet-victory-more-bitter-than-sweet-and-really-upon-closer-scrutiny-not-sweet-at-all-and-come-to-think-of-it-not-an-actual-victory-either/). You'll have to scroll down a bit to get to my comment. Or, just search for the word "pg15" in your Internet browser (that's my name on his blog).

I haven't written one for Earth yet, and unfortunately I'm pretty busy with exam finals these days. Maybe later. :)


Really? Interesting, I didn't see that at all. In fact, since there were no spoken lines, we have to take it as fact that they didn't feel that way at all. It's one of the things other people in the forum have drilled into me: if we don't blatantly see or hear it on the show, it didn't happen, and there is obviously no subtext or anything like that going on.

Well, I don't know how those other people feel, but IMHO there is plenty of subtext happening all the time. With that scene specifically, there were very subtle smiles on both Scott and Chloe's faces when they were looking at each other, and I see that as a sign that they really do want to stay together.


I found it interesting that she didn't say anything about helping while on the ship, just a "I want to go" kind of thing. I wonder how she would have responded, if she was asked to dig the latrine?

I think she'd've been fine with it, to an extent. She's never really complained about having to work (she complained more about feeling useless); she's just done very little, for good reason.


I also found the subtext to hint more at still being attached to Scott, which is the reason she ultimately came back as well. Her motives were never explained, otherwise.


I can agree with this; they are very much each others' emotional anchor on the ship.

Pharaoh Atem
April 18th, 2010, 04:25 PM
so is stargate infinity the only series now to not feature a cast member having a baby??

Alder
April 18th, 2010, 04:29 PM
Doing my usual, writing this up while watching the episode - standard apologies for repeating stuff already said...

I still wish we had a better idea of how much time (approximately) passes between episodes. Rush is clearly still unwell - but able to get up - and there's still military/civilian tension...
Don't eat alien fruit, Greer...<headdesk> (Was that supposed to make him look badass? It just made him look idiot...)
Hm. What's up with TJ...?
Oo! An obelisk.
That shuttle seems to take more folk than I expected. Though it's been a while since we saw it full...
Gah, TJ's pregnant, isn't she... At least, that's what I'd guess if it was any other show.
I love outside shots of the ship. I wish we knew a bit more about the Destiny. Actually, I rather liked that short sequence at the start where they were repressurising a section, it's nice to see ongoing repair work.
And now they are exploring more of Destiny. Hope they find interesting stuff...
Heh, bonding over football...
Yup, pregnant. Oh dear.
I wish Young would get past the whole, "work it out/deal with it/fix it" thing he does, which makes the scientists get testy. One of my favourite lines in SG-1 was after the gate had malfunctioned one time and Hammond was told it would be X hours before it would be fixed and he said something along the lines of "you've got 1/2 X!" and Siler told him, "It doesn't work like that, General". I wish someone would say something similar to Young...
Eep. Obelisk woke up.
Hmmm, folk wanting to stay...and only 10 minutes to wrap this up?
What the...was that a joke from Young? Heh... And possible bonding over chess?

Okay...well...overall impression...
I liked this episode. Really liked it, though I can't quite put my finger on why...
Perhaps because there was a greater feeling of folk working together, and for once things went well...ish...and there was a puzzle, but it's just been left for the moment, and also - Young was much more mellow and reasonable. Hmmm...I hope that keeps up...
I'm a little uncertain - did some folk still stay behind? I don't recognise enough of the secondary characters to be sure.

(Now to go back and read what everyone else made of it...)

skarwolf
April 18th, 2010, 06:26 PM
I found it boring. The doctor walks around looking bored and constipated most of the episode. If they're going to find something why an obelisk? I'm curious how the writers decided on that.

Also it bothers me they seem to just forget about the fact that someone was murdered, tried to frame young and he left Rush on that planet and lied to everyone about it. But hey they're ok with it so everyone else must be.

Dr. Michael Benjamin
April 18th, 2010, 08:55 PM
An interesting episode. When the story reached the point of the characters wanting to stay on the planet I had a sense that perhaps the writers were influenced the story of the wreck of the Sea Venture and the original settlement of the Bahamas. Did anyone else get that impression?

For those who might not be familiar, the Sea Voyage was an English ship that was wrecked in the Bahamas. The people aboard the ship wanted to stay on the island as it had an abundance of food and other resources. Many argued that life would have been better for them there rather than continuing on to their original destination of Virginia. Most aboard the doomed vessel had indentured servitude and a tough life ahead for them in the new colony. The people believed that God had sent them to the island to save them from the uncertainties that awaited them in Virginia. In the end, however, the people built new ships and continued on their journey. To me, this episode parallels this story greatly.

Also, and maybe this has already been addressed, but is it not possible to dial earth from any of the stargates on the planets at which that the Destiny stops? Maybe there is a good explanation for this but I might have missed it.

senilegreen
April 18th, 2010, 09:42 PM
Also it bothers me they seem to just forget about the fact that someone was murdered, tried to frame young and he left Rush on that planet and lied to everyone about it. But hey they're ok with it so everyone else must be.

I'm still trying to figure out why, in the previous episode, so many of the civilians sided with Rush. Rush is the reason they are lost in space, and most of them (if they were written as real humans by the SGU writers) would have cheered when Young finally got rid of the guy, if not had taken out their anger on Rush long before then.

Col.Foley
April 18th, 2010, 09:53 PM
Not as good as Divided but it was pretty good.

The planet was excellent as was the mystery and the light and the obilisk. Just a solid episode all around that really raised good moral questions and showed the team in their dispair and what they are going through through their every day life.

Infinite-Possibilities
April 18th, 2010, 10:28 PM
I'm starting to think maybe I'm not going to be enjoying most of SGU. I think the show was slowly improving since it started and the last few episodes have been fairly interesting but this episode kind of put me off.

I think it's because I'm just not a fan the new format or rather where I think the new format will be going. It's basically a different genre of television show than either of it's predecessors and thus many long time viewers may not longer even be in the target audience.

I never liked watching soap opera-ish teen dramas and while I wouldn't strictly call SGU one, it's really kinda heading in that direction a bit too heavily for me. Following TJ's pregnancy reveal, I was sighing in disappointment. Whatever the reason for it may be, there's really no denying that's a pretty big soap opera element. It didn't really help the show by making it another step closer to that stupid joke about it being The Young SG-1 show from "200."

As for the episode itself it seemed a bit hit and miss. It started off truly intriguing, but eventually I started to realize it was moving along really slowly. And i kept waiting for something noteworthy to happen on the planet and nothing did. By the end I kept hoping the aliens would make it to the planet in time so the episode would be more interesting but I realized a while before the end that there probably was not sufficient time left in this episode before the end.

I'm not sure how I feel about the introduction of new aliens. On the one hand I like it, it gives the feeling of being in the presence of awe inspiring beings like in the earlier episodes of SG-1, which is really as it ought to be. On the other hand...I dunno. I'm thinking introducing advanced aliens after more advanced aliens after even more advanced aliens gets a little tiring after a while.

If nothing else, I hope that we don't learn more about them only to find they were actually all somehow idiots and we can do everything better than them.

I did generally like some of the characters developing more that we did have the chance to see, I guess.

jelgate
April 18th, 2010, 10:29 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why, in the previous episode, so many of the civilians sided with Rush. Rush is the reason they are lost in space, and most of them (if they were written as real humans by the SGU writers) would have cheered when Young finally got rid of the guy, if not had taken out their anger on Rush long before then.

Because in the civilians eyes the see the attempted murder (if you can call it attempted murrder) on Rush due purely out of annoyance. Remember they don't know the crime Rush committed that made Young do this. Despite the wrong of what Rush did in stranding them most of the civilians won't think it warrents Rush dying.

SGU is complicated

nx01a
April 18th, 2010, 11:19 PM
YOUNG: Oh, that's great, Rush, coming from you.
RUSH: Come on, it's simple.
YOUNG: First you wanna kick the military out, and now you want us rounding people up at gunpoint.

Faith

The Good:
>Wrath of KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! Genesis Device reference.
>Rush's logic. I agree entirely with him and Young's comeback was brilliant. It's an interesting spin on what happened last week and what the civilians were fighting for. You want to stay here and potentially get yourselves killed? Fine. Free will... and all that.
>The atheist scientist. Sadly, I agree.
>The 'created' solar system. Eden, anyone? Was the planet created as a zoo for humans?
>Why do I think the Born Again Scientist was just a manifestation of the obelisk designed to get people to stay on the planet? Nah. Couldn't be.
>Looking to the all-powerful beings to save you? Hmm. Usually in Stargate, and as is the case in the overall plot of SGU, it's 'looking to the all-powerful beings' technology to save you. :D Well, in the Stargate universe :), God really WAS an Ancient astronaut who created life on Earth. Aliens as gods is standard Stargate fare, but I don't think it's been handled quite like this before.
>The scene with the shuttle flying towards the huge obelisk. It reminded me instantly of Enterprise when it went through a cloaking field and flew towards a Sphere for the first time.
>The most powerful race EVAR! It seems like foreshadowing and I'd hate to never know the truth about where that solar system came from and who the Obelisk Builders are [just like Rush]. I'm unsure about introducing an even more godlike race than the Ancients, but we'll see how it goes. Hopefully, this massive a revelation about the powers that lurk beyond the rim :D won't be dropped like the Nox, never to be seen again.
>THEY MENTIONED FRANKLIN!!!!
>THEY REFERENCED 'TIME'!!!!
>I loved seeing the crew actually start to work together. Greer's drill sgt. routine worked well: community through adversity. Rush and Young and Wray actually talking out the pros and cons of the non-lethal situation and Young making the final decision.
>Park. She's a very optimistic reader. :D Those scenes were hilarious.
>TJ. I really felt for her this episode. If the aliens kidnap her baby... Sorry. Teyla flashbacks. The chances of the kid surviving on Destiny are slim, and on SGU... none. :(
>Ancient Ancient crates! Ancient Ancient robots! They really built things to last, didn't they? I wonder if they're suped-up versions of the Kinos?
>Greer eating the fruit.

The Bad:
>Chloe. WTF was she even DOING down there?!?! Were all the other useless civilians doing something? :D I saw no reason for her to be on the planet except to be the one TJ confides in. Chloe = Plot Device. Ah. And, of course, showing skin while bathing. I wanted her to stay underwater longer than she should be able to and realize the aliens had altered her DNA. But, alas, no. So much for interesting.
>Chloe and Scott walking through a field of flowers, laughing. *gag* Move on, love sick puppy. Go back to being a horn dog. James can love you in broom closets better than she can. :o
>Are those people really ready to say goodbye to everything and everyone they left on Earth to live the agrarian life on the other side of the universe? Stupid. I have faith they'll get vivisected.
>Giving them the shuttle?! If they're so sure the Obelisk Builders will save them, then take the shuttle back with you... if possible. Young should have kept the damaged shuttle and had Scott bring up the good one and then go back to the planet. You're losing people, you shouldn't lose another potentially invaluable resource, too.
>Young's wife and Telford. TJ having Young's baby will equal more time dealing with Young's wife and all that ridiculous drama. *gag* Hopefully, the wife's also pregnant with Telford's baby, so it'll all balance out in the end. If you're gonna go soap opera, go ALL the way. :(

The Verdict:
>THIS is the kind of human episode that 'Earth' and 'Life' weren't. I really felt something for these people and their situation. I even cared about TJ and Young's upcoming baby mama drama! Well done. I must admit to not having much faith in the show after the previously mentioned episodes, but the second half of season 1 is batting 3/3. I now have a bit more faith in SGU. Don't let me down!

Lahela
April 19th, 2010, 03:35 AM
I really enjoyed this ep, for so many reasons, but especially for...

The set-up: The writers are doing a bang-up job of giving us a little taste of something before we really get to know it, and I'm confident that we'll learn a whole lot more about whoever built this planet before the show ends its run.

The characters: Park's perky optimism contrasted with Brody's gloomy pessimism - so good to see that kind of characterisation flowing through the series. Young, Rush and Wray trying to work together, without it looking like they've all been castrated (metaphorically speaking).

The themes: I think "Faith" is a bit of a misnomer. I saw Kaine's unshakable faith in whoever (God, aliens...) to be more a sign of desperation based on a lack of faith in Destiny to get them home. When faced with a choice between a rock (planet) and a hard place (Destiny), lots of people would choose the one that they want to be the better choice.

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 19th, 2010, 05:49 AM
Finally got round to watching this having been away for the weekend and I must say it was another excellent ep for me. I think we'll see a slower change of pace after the first couple of eps which will then ramp up before the end. The ep itself was nice bread and butter sci fi. The nature of faith and how technology and aliens could border on the divine was an interesting discussion. I also like their wasn't some clean resolution, I liked the fact some of the crew stayed behind. Not a particular fan of the pregnancy storyline, not because of any soapish tendencies but because we've had pregnancy storylines in both previous shows. I guess tptb have the worst luck when it comes to picking actresses who then promptly go and get pregnant :P. Apart from that some more beautiful cgi and a neat set up for the new aliens, I'm sure we'll run into these ones again, but I like the fact we don't immediately meet them, I like the slow build up and the mystery.

suqata
April 19th, 2010, 10:43 AM
Paradise Lost anyone? I have not seen any mention of it so far, they are too similar to be accidental.

Lahela
April 19th, 2010, 11:49 AM
Paradise Lost anyone? I have not seen any mention of it so far, they are too similar to be accidental.

Yeah, I mentioned that in another thread. Kept dragging me out of the ep :(

jelgate
April 19th, 2010, 11:59 AM
Yeah, I mentioned that in another thread. Kept dragging me out of the ep :(

They don't look alike to me. The Paradise Lost planet was open with fields while this planet had more of a wooded area

hisg1fans
April 19th, 2010, 12:01 PM
I found the similarity to SG1's Paradise Lost striking too. And the similarities to the final few episodes of BSG with the commander telling the people to cross the line to go back to the ship vs stay on the planet. And then the "new and fresh" planet to start a colony on. Between the two other shows, I couldn't stay in the story for very long.

Someone mentioned earlier they thought the star and planet were moved to the empty space. That was my thought too, that somebody had moved them there rather than created them. Who would move them? The seeding ships so there would be a fresh water and food supply just at the point the Destiny would need them. I don't see any "gods" at play here.

Who built the obelisk? I don't know, but I don't think it necessarily has to be the same people who moved/built the planet. It could be anybody. But it could be the movers/builders, who could very well be the Ancients. Or somebody else. I wouldn't want to be on the planet with no help and very few people around when they showed up though.

I called TJs pregnancy and relationship with Young in episode 1. Win for the call, not sure if it is a win for the story though. Hope it doesn't turn into TJ having a "space monster" or "Dawson's Creek Soap Opera".

Liked people finally working together.

So is the "robot" something Destiny has had all along? Or did the Smurfs put it there? Hmmmmmmm.....good question.

I hope this is the last scene of Chloe naked in the water. Get past it guys. I hope Scott stays away from her other than being polite. There are plenty of other women to sleep with, plus he could be TJ's baby's daddy since he didn't get to be his own son's daddy. OMG. Heading to Dawson's Creek Soap Opera-land with that thought. Please don't go there.

I don't know if I "liked" the episode or not. It just was there. I didn't hate it.

What a bunch of idiots to stay on the planet with only a handful of people. Nothing like letting them commit suicide.

Greer has been my favorite character since minute 1 and still is.

MattSilver 3k
April 19th, 2010, 12:02 PM
And there was no Maybourne and Jack sniping at each other, sometimes with words, sometimes with bullets. No mysterious mind-altering thingie. No Jonas!

Long story short, let's just say the two episodes were dissimilar enough for me to not be annoyed while watching them. No SGU episode has struck me like that yet.

Egle01
April 19th, 2010, 12:32 PM
I had never even thought of "Faith" being similar with "Paradise Lost". So, to me they're not similar enough to care. :D

Lahela
April 19th, 2010, 12:36 PM
They don't look alike to me. The Paradise Lost planet was open with fields while this planet had more of a wooded area

Oh, I don't think the episodes were at all the same, but I'd bet cash on it being the same location for the shoot. Same lake, same waterfall, at least.

jelgate
April 19th, 2010, 12:36 PM
Oh, I don't think the episodes were at all the same, but I'd bet cash on it being the same location for the shoot. Same lake, same waterfall, at least.

I was never talking about the episodes. I don't see the simliarties in location

Lahela
April 19th, 2010, 12:38 PM
I was never talking about the episodes. I don't see the simliarties in location

Rewatch Paradise Lost :p

jelgate
April 19th, 2010, 12:41 PM
Rewatch Paradise Lost :p

Do I have too? I really dislike Paradise Lost

Lahela
April 19th, 2010, 12:45 PM
Do I have too? I really dislike Paradise Lost

I watch it once every couple of months... barefoot Jack :o