PDA

View Full Version : No MALP



escyos
March 23rd, 2010, 01:28 AM
anyone else notice how Scott just went through the gate before a MALP had even checked it out, surely they would have had a MALP standing by. Seems a bit reckless.

Homer 120
March 23rd, 2010, 03:53 AM
If you are talking about the evacuation of the Icarus base then you'd know that they didn't have the time to send a MALP through the gate. They were unprepared for it, under attack and had little time to do a proper search which is the whole point of the episode.

It isn't like SGA where they did have time to send a MALP through to Atlantis before sending the expedition team through.

But now that they are on board Destiny they do have MALPS aka the KINO. Hope this didn't sound to harsh. Wasn't trying to be.

Razor One
March 23rd, 2010, 04:07 AM
Yeah, I think the main idea behind Air was that there was no time to send a MALP or assess the situation. It was pretty much leap through the puddle or die on Icarus.

Whatsername
March 23rd, 2010, 07:12 AM
But its a military organization I'm sure they would of had one standing by the gate, just in case, if there not prepared there a crap military base >.< But then there really wouldn't be much of a show with them all standing around when they first get there gasping n shizzz

Pharaoh Atem
March 23rd, 2010, 07:22 AM
anyone else notice how Scott just went through the gate before a MALP had even checked it out, surely they would have had a MALP standing by. Seems a bit reckless.

And did you happen to notice the exploding planet?? You have 87 people to evacuate a malp was the last thing on their mind.

Egle01
March 23rd, 2010, 07:41 AM
Firstly, the MALP is slow, it would've taken time to send through the gate. Secondly, Riley said the system was not responding. So maybe they couldn't have even received data from MALP anyway. Thirdly, they had to go through regardless.

jelgate
March 23rd, 2010, 10:45 AM
Thier was no time to send a MALP due to the fact the planet was going to explode. That is precisely the reason Young objected to dialing the 9th chevron because we don't what its like.

Saquist
March 23rd, 2010, 11:23 AM
That's the foolery of the Air episode and the Rush character.
This man could have sent them anywhere, vaccum, water, mid air, It was just stupid...blind gate jumping is Russian Roulette.

Remember Scott shouting through a on way worm hole to slow down the evacuation?
Did they even bother to check with Scott after he went through to make sure it was okay?

jelgate
March 23rd, 2010, 11:32 AM
Remember Scott shouting through a on way worm hole to slow down the evacuation?
Did they even bother to check with Scott after he went through to make sure it was okay?

They didn't have a choice. It was either certain death (Icarus) or probable death

The Mighty 6 platoon
March 23rd, 2010, 11:47 AM
They didn't have a choice. It was either certain death (Icarus) or probable death

Exactly, they could either muck around trying to get a MALP up and running and through the gate and definitely die, or they could take a chance through the gate. As Eli said, "can't be worse than here".

Homer 120
March 23rd, 2010, 02:10 PM
They didn't have a choice. It was either certain death (Icarus) or probable death

This.

Saquist
March 23rd, 2010, 02:39 PM
They didn't have a choice. It was either certain death (Icarus) or probable death

Of course they had a choice.
They could have gated to any where in two Galaxies where there was a known environment than access an unknown gate.

jelgate
March 23rd, 2010, 02:46 PM
Of course they had a choice.
They could have gated to any where in two Galaxies where there was a known environment than access an unknown gate.

Not once after a connection was established. Yes before Rush overrode Riley and dialed Destiny for his personal curiousity the Icarus personel could have dialed any known gate in the MW to save themselve. But once Rush has made a connection to the Destiny thier was no was now way let alone time to dial another gate. So it comes down to certain or probable death

SGFerrit
March 23rd, 2010, 03:11 PM
Of course they had a choice.
They could have gated to any where in two Galaxies where there was a known environment than access an unknown gate.

Colonel Young: Shut it down.
Rush: We can't, it's too late.
Colonel Young: Riley?
Riley: System's not responding sir...

So no, they didn't have a choice. And this was not the 'foolery of Air' as you put it. Makes sense to me, they explained it fine.

escyos
March 23rd, 2010, 08:02 PM
it would be common sense to have the malp next to the gate for when they dial the 9th chevron, and carter said the gate was active for 6 minutes. plus they opened the gate, then young left and went to find scott and then sent soctt back to the gate, surely checking out their evac site would be possible.

whos to say that the hammond could have beamed them out (somehow).

and im pretty sure by 'the system' they were refering to the gate controls which have nothing to do with transmissions

Pharaoh Atem
March 23rd, 2010, 08:06 PM
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=889&pos=886

a malp couldn't go directly next to the gate. and if you leave it near where you would dial the gate rush and all the other staff would just get in the way.

Whatsername
March 23rd, 2010, 08:07 PM
But then again if they did send a MALP and discovered that it was a ship they wouldn't have gone and gated somewhere else and therefore no show >.<
And i THINK they mentioned they didn't have enough power to gate to another planet I THINK can't remember so they wouldn't of had a choice
BUT STILL SHOULD OF SENT A MALP
silly people

jelgate
March 23rd, 2010, 10:03 PM
it would be common sense to have the malp next to the gate for when they dial the 9th chevron, and carter said the gate was active for 6 minutes. plus they opened the gate, then young left and went to find scott and then sent soctt back to the gate, surely checking out their evac site would be possible.

whos to say that the hammond could have beamed them out (somehow).

and im pretty sure by 'the system' they were refering to the gate controls which have nothing to do with transmissions

Yeah it makes a lot of sense to put a big bulky maching the gate room to will just clutter space:rolleyes:

You don't leave machine lying around unless their needed. At the time their was no need for a MALP

Saquist
March 24th, 2010, 04:21 AM
Colonel Young: Shut it down.
Rush: We can't, it's too late.
Colonel Young: Riley?
Riley: System's not responding sir...

So no, they didn't have a choice. And this was not the 'foolery of Air' as you put it. Makes sense to me, they explained it fine.


Not once after a connection was established. Yes before Rush overrode Riley and dialed Destiny for his personal curiousity the Icarus personel could have dialed any known gate in the MW to save themselve. But once Rush has made a connection to the Destiny thier was no was now way let alone time to dial another gate. So it comes down to certain or probable death


Yeah it makes a lot of sense to put a big bulky maching the gate room to will just clutter space:rolleyes:

You don't leave machine lying around unless their needed. At the time their was no need for a MALP

Negative, sirs.
They had a choice. Someone didn't even take that choice away. (Rush)

Riley: could have continued dialing Earth and he didn't.

As for the MALP, there is nothing better for the use of space in the Gate Room than for a MALP.
You have a Gate...you should have eyes and ears for walking through the gate, anything else is foolery.

jelgate
March 24th, 2010, 06:24 AM
Negative, sirs.
They had a choice. Someone didn't even take that choice away. (Rush)

Riley: could have continued dialing Earth and he didn't.

As for the MALP, there is nothing better for the use of space in the Gate Room than for a MALP.
You have a Gate...you should have eyes and ears for walking through the gate, anything else is foolery.

Because Rush pushed Riley and dialed tha gate and as Riley did say the dialing sequence couldn't be halted

As for the MALP I don't see under normal circumstance why you would keep it in the way taking up space where it infringes on other activites that are conducted. Lock and store it up until its use is needed

Saquist
March 24th, 2010, 07:16 AM
Because Rush pushed Riley and dialed tha gate and as Riley did say the dialing sequence couldn't be halted

As for the MALP I don't see under normal circumstance why you would keep it in the way taking up space where it infringes on other activites that are conducted. Lock and store it up until its use is needed

No sir on both counts, sir.
The dialing sequence could be halted and it was halted before when they didn't have the proper code.
And abort is an abort. Just because the writers decided it work in one situation and not in a later situation. We've seen SGC pull the plug on the gate power before to gain control.

MALP.
The whole point of the gate room is to travel through the stargate.
This particular gate room will be used for nothing more than going through the 9th cheveron.
No incoming wormhole
Only one departure destination.
The MALP should be parked at the foot of ramp as soon as they get a connection.
It would only be logical.
You don't know how long you'll have a connection with the 9th chevron. Why would you waste time pulling it out of storage when your entire directive is access the 9th chevron. Sir, with all due respect to your opinion but it does lend to efficiency in a program that has already learned to expect the unexpected with over 10 years of gate operations and hostile, unpredictable contact.

SGFerrit
March 24th, 2010, 09:15 AM
1. This isn't the SGC, it's a unique planet, with a unique gate tied directly into that planet, the idea that the Gate couldn't be shut down once it had dialed is not beyond the realms of possibility.
2. It was a secret base, they shouldn't have needed to have the MALP sitting next to the Gate because they shouldn't have been in a rush to get anywhere. And by the time it was dialed, it didn't matter whether they had a MALP or not. It was go through and maybe survive, or stay and almost certainly perish.

This, to me, seems like complaining for the sake of complaining, trying to find a problem with the show where there isn't one.

Saquist
March 24th, 2010, 11:03 AM
1. This isn't the SGC, it's a unique planet, with a unique gate tied directly into that planet, the idea that the Gate couldn't be shut down once it had dialed is not beyond the realms of possibility.

Sir, it's the very nature of a contrivance in writing.
Normally contrivances don't standout but SGU contrivances do. They standout because you have examples where they've rarely been stopped before. We've seen those breakers shut down a number of times in a shorter amount of time than they evacuated.





2. It was a secret base, they shouldn't have needed to have the MALP sitting next to the Gate because they shouldn't have been in a rush to get anywhere. And by the time it was dialed, it didn't matter whether they had a MALP or not. It was go through and maybe survive, or stay and almost certainly perish.

This, to me, seems like complaining for the sake of complaining, trying to find a problem with the show where there isn't one.

As we all know Secrets certainly stay Secret.
Yet for some reason, sir, this base didn't remain secret.
I know my previous post definitely covered the need for contingency and efficiency. It's one thing if you don't like preparation but lacking preparation is planning to fail. So foresight is more useful than you are letting on.

We've already covered that they didn't know what they were stepping into.
In previous gates this has been an issue. We have the examples of a Gate submerged in Water, Black Hole and Rock.

To say, "They shouldn't have need to have a MALP sitting next to the gate they shouldn't be in a rush." , is a dependent statement. It's the kind of reason that lends toward no preparation for unexpected events.

It at the least requires history to say there has never been a problem walking into a get blind.
It would also have to curiously unappreciate the amount danger they were all in with the power source they were tampering with and considering that the base was lined with rail guns and thoroughly entrenched in an mount that apparently prevented beaming it seems unlikely that the SGC was unaware of any threat to the base.

SGFerrit
March 24th, 2010, 11:42 AM
1. And we've never seen a planet and a gate set up like Icarus before. New stuff happens all the time.
2. Again, they weren't expecting...

one of their own to betray them. Again they shouldn't have needed to rush through the gate. Leaving a MALP sitting in the middle of the dialling area would have just been a nuisance and got in the way.

Saquist
March 25th, 2010, 07:09 AM
1. And we've never seen a planet and a gate set up like Icarus before. New stuff happens all the time.


Sounds like an answer to your number two point, sir.
Every situation is different in someway. Doesn't mean yanking the cord was impossible. They certainly didn't explain it...(you know like Stargat normally does)

2. Again, they weren't expecting...

one of their own to betray them. Again they shouldn't have needed to rush through the gate. Leaving a MALP sitting in the middle of the dialling area would have just been a nuisance and got in the way.[/QUOTE]

So a nuisance is a deterrent for proper preparation?
That's seems like an odd use of logic for this kind of goal.

jelgate
March 25th, 2010, 10:57 AM
Why have something laying around cluttering space if your not going to use it? Store it away until its needed. In emergency situations you should go to know locations anyway.

Ukko
March 25th, 2010, 11:18 AM
No sir on both counts, sir.
The dialing sequence could be halted and it was halted before when they didn't have the proper code.
And abort is an abort. Just because the writers decided it work in one situation and not in a later situation. We've seen SGC pull the plug on the gate power before to gain control.

Before they could abort because they didnt have an exploding planet overloading the gate and preventing that.

And as Jelgate keeps stating, having the MALP sitting around in the middle of the room when its not needed would be stupid. They wernet planning on going through the gate anytime soon since Eli and Rush had not figured out the code untill the attack.

Control_Chair
March 25th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Hold on weren’t they attempting to dial the gate earlier using Elis maths proof before the attack. When they where dialling that Rush said they were going to send a MALP, shut down the gate and asses the data before deciding whether to send a team or not, so there should have been a MALP standing by from that first dialling attempt, (they aren’t going to dial the gate and then go and fetch a MALP while the gate is active and draining power from the core). And given the time between dialling the gate and Scott actually stepping through there should have been enough time to send through the MALP if it was left in the gate room from that first dialling attempt.

jelgate
March 25th, 2010, 01:09 PM
Hold on weren’t they attempting to dial the gate earlier using Elis maths proof before the attack. When they where dialling that Rush said they were going to send a MALP, shut down the gate and asses the data before deciding whether to send a team or not, so there should have been a MALP standing by from that first dialling attempt, (they aren’t going to dial the gate and then go and fetch a MALP while the gate is active and draining power from the core). And given the time between dialling the gate and Scott actually stepping through there should have been enough time to send through the MALP if it was left in the gate room from that first dialling attempt.They want to make a connection first. In SG1 a MALP was never ordered to be prepared until a lock was made. After all you do have 38 minutes

Ukko
March 25th, 2010, 01:19 PM
Hold on weren’t they attempting to dial the gate earlier using Elis maths proof before the attack. When they where dialling that Rush said they were going to send a MALP, shut down the gate and asses the data before deciding whether to send a team or not, so there should have been a MALP standing by from that first dialling attempt, (they aren’t going to dial the gate and then go and fetch a MALP while the gate is active and draining power from the core). And given the time between dialling the gate and Scott actually stepping through there should have been enough time to send through the MALP if it was left in the gate room from that first dialling attempt.

Eli's math proof didnt work. It wasnt untill during the attack, he and Rush figured out the 9th chevron was some kind of code, i think.
*Plans rewatch on Friday*

Control_Chair
March 25th, 2010, 02:09 PM
They want to make a connection first. In SG1 a MALP was never ordered to be prepared until a lock was made. After all you do have 38 minutes

Not true on many occasions when a unknown address was dialed for the first time a MALP was already in the gate room ready to be sent, why waste power while a MALP is prepared (Most times in SG-1 often a MALP had already been sent when the gate was dialed again for SG-1 to go through).


Eli's math proof didnt work. It wasnt untill during the attack, he and Rush figured out the 9th chevron was some kind of code, i think.
*Plans rewatch on Friday*

True but at the time they were expecting it to work so there should have been a MALP already standing by in the gate room.

Saquist
March 25th, 2010, 02:12 PM
Why have something laying around cluttering space if your not going to use it?

Not to be repititious sir, but for emergencies.


Store it away until its needed.

Then it should be stored where it would be needed.
On the ramp and ready to go.


In emergency situations you should go to know locations anyway.
I don't understand the meaning of this sentence.


They want to make a connection first. In SG1 a MALP was never ordered to be prepared until a lock was made. After all you do have 38 minutes

That's not true on several occasions I recall the Malp on the ramp ready to go as soon as the lock was made. I recall the first test of the 9th Chevron the malp was in the room when the connection was made.




Eli's math proof didnt work. It wasnt untill during the attack, he and Rush figured out the 9th chevron was some kind of code, i think.
*Plans rewatch on Friday*

That's correct.

Saquist
March 25th, 2010, 02:25 PM
I've confirmed SGA RISE

MALP on the PAD and ready to go.
In front of the MALP is COLONEL SUMNER

JUST LIKE in SGU the SGC had all the supplies in the gate room.
Only the MALP is missing in SGU.
Clearly there is enough room on the PAD to walk around the MALP as Sumner does and to work on the MALP as is being done in SGA.

Another Plot Contrivance to make our story more "interesting".
Just like Rush keeping his mouth closed about anything that may spoil the suspense in SGU and having nary a reason why time after time.

Ukko
March 25th, 2010, 04:35 PM
Not true on many occasions when a unknown address was dialed for the first time a MALP was already in the gate room ready to be sent, why waste power while a MALP is prepared (Most times in SG-1 often a MALP had already been sent when the gate was dialed again for SG-1 to go through).



True but at the time they were expecting it to work so there should have been a MALP already standing by in the gate room.

But after it failed, they wouldnt have just left it there. It would be put back (Wherever they keep them) untill they try again.

escyos
March 25th, 2010, 11:02 PM
we're not debating whether they shoudl have gone through or if they could have shut the gate down (even though they couldnt because the planet was unstable), were talking about why they never bothered with a MALP

think about it, if you were drawing power from a planets core, A PLANETS CORE!, why would you keep the gate on longer than nessecary?

seems a little risky to me, seeing as you could, i dont know, destroy the planet, that why im pretty sure they would have had a malp nearby, maybe off to the side or in a room just out in the corridor, but for some reason they decided not to use it.

they could have ended up being captured by aliens and tortured for all their lives if they went through the gate. even though there was no other way out

jelgate
March 26th, 2010, 05:09 AM
we're not debating whether they shoudl have gone through or if they could have shut the gate down (even though they couldnt because the planet was unstable), were talking about why they never bothered with a MALP

think about it, if you were drawing power from a planets core, A PLANETS CORE!, why would you keep the gate on longer than nessecary?

seems a little risky to me, seeing as you could, i dont know, destroy the planet, that why im pretty sure they would have had a malp nearby, maybe off to the side or in a room just out in the corridor, but for some reason they decided not to use it.

they could have ended up being captured by aliens and tortured for all their lives if they went through the gate. even though there was no other way out

Their was nothing to indicate under normal circumstances that dialing the gate would harm the planet.

escyos
March 26th, 2010, 06:43 AM
Their was nothing to indicate under normal circumstances that dialing the gate would harm the planet.

still your messing with a planets core, that a lot of energy your tapping into.

AdamTM
March 26th, 2010, 06:51 AM
Remember Scott shouting through a on way worm hole to slow down the evacuation?


XD i totally missed that one


Their was nothing to indicate under normal circumstances that dialing the gate would harm the planet.

But there was also no indication it would be a smooth ride. In fact, the gate started overloading and sparking when Rush did it wrong with Eli.

Its something Saquist said, they looked completely unprepared for anything, even stepping through the gate without the attack.

Also it would be wise to prepare a MALP before you dial the gate, as systems on the MALP might be not functional, broken or damaged. In that case you would have wasted a dial because you need the MALP replaced or repaired.

Preperation for the unexpected on this base should have been top priority.
Nobody knew what would happen if they dialed the 9th chevron, it could lead to their imminent destruction or to Funland.
For this reason the preparations we saw seemed really incompetent.
I am still amazed that in the whole evacuation nobody thought about taking a Naquadah generator with them, like in SGA. The supplies should have been at the gate easily accessible.

Essentials on a trip through the gate into the unknown:

Food
Weapons
Power Source
Communication
Nuke (optional)

jelgate
March 26th, 2010, 08:43 AM
still your messing with a planets core, that a lot of energy your tapping into.

I highly doubt its the first time they have dialed the gate from Icarus and I bet tons of tests have been done

Saquist
March 26th, 2010, 10:57 AM
XD i totally missed that one



But there was also no indication it would be a smooth ride. In fact, the gate started overloading and sparking when Rush did it wrong with Eli.

Its something Saquist said, they looked completely unprepared for anything, even stepping through the gate without the attack.

Also it would be wise to prepare a MALP before you dial the gate, as systems on the MALP might be not functional, broken or damaged. In that case you would have wasted a dial because you need the MALP replaced or repaired.

Preperation for the unexpected on this base should have been top priority.
Nobody knew what would happen if they dialed the 9th chevron, it could lead to their imminent destruction or to Funland.
For this reason the preparations we saw seemed really incompetent.
I am still amazed that in the whole evacuation nobody thought about taking a Naquadah generator with them, like in SGA. The supplies should have been at the gate easily accessible.

Essentials on a trip through the gate into the unknown:

Food
Weapons
Power Source
Communication
Nuke (optional)

Okay, I didn't even realize that..
That is a really really good catch.

They had something like 6 generators on SGA.
All this stuff was IN the gate room on Atlantis.

Of course I'm looking at that as a writer's contrivance to setup Darkness and Light in the despair and suspense they wanted.
Can't call the episode Darkenss if you got a handy 2 foot long generator powering your appliances, I guess.

You know I look at these kind of things and it seems like the show rather than trying hard to create a real suspense and drama is having to force it just like Michael Shanks said. Some of this stuff you can over look but all together it kinda spoils anything I liked about what I did see. It's like they know what they're doing and they're doing it any way.

escyos
March 27th, 2010, 10:25 AM
I highly doubt its the first time they have dialed the gate from Icarus and I bet tons of tests have been done

not since tapping into the planets core, remember what scott said, its too dangerous to use the gate when tapped into the planets core.

it would be like connecting an alarm clock to a nuclear reactor and letting the full amount of power through, your gonna screw up the alarm clock just be tryign and probably cause a bad-ass melt down in the process, WHY RISK IT?

jelgate
March 27th, 2010, 10:26 AM
not since tapping into the planets core, remember what scott said, its too dangerous to use the gate when tapped into the planets core.

it would be like connecting an alarm clock to a nuclear reactor and letting the full amount of power through, your gonna screw up the alarm clock just be tryign and probably cause a bad-ass melt down in the process, WHY RISK IT?

Scott said about people dialing into Icarus. It seems like they have used the Icarus gate to dial other planets numerous times before since they only prevent incoming dailing

AdamTM
March 27th, 2010, 02:56 PM
You know I look at these kind of things and it seems like the show rather than trying hard to create a real suspense and drama is having to force it just like Michael Shanks said. Some of this stuff you can over look but all together it kinda spoils anything I liked about what I did see. It's like they know what they're doing and they're doing it any way.

Exactly my point.
Btw, out of curiosity, where did Shanks say that? can you provide a link?

escyos
March 27th, 2010, 05:25 PM
Scott said about people dialing into Icarus. It seems like they have used the Icarus gate to dial other planets numerous times before since they only prevent incoming dailing

maybe so but they hadnt dialled somethign like the 9th chevron before, they had no clue how much power it would take and as so would have had a MALP close by just in case they could only keep the gate open for a few minutes.

jelgate
March 27th, 2010, 06:20 PM
maybe so but they hadnt dialled somethign like the 9th chevron before, they had no clue how much power it would take and as so would have had a MALP close by just in case they could only keep the gate open for a few minutes.

The Stargate doesn't work that way. When you dial the gate the enmorous energy is to get a lock not to keep it open

escyos
March 27th, 2010, 09:22 PM
The Stargate doesn't work that way. When you dial the gate the enmorous energy is to get a lock not to keep it open

then there wouldnt be whole "we have no idead how long we can maintain the connection" line in Rising......by your reasoning they should have been able to keep the gate open for 38 minutes...which they couldnt

jelgate
March 27th, 2010, 09:25 PM
then there wouldnt be whole "we have no idead how long we can maintain the connection" line in Rising......by your reasoning they should have been able to keep the gate open for 38 minutes...which they couldnt

Well their is some energy in keeping it open but the vast majority of energy is make a lock not keeping it open.

escyos
March 27th, 2010, 09:29 PM
Well their is some energy in keeping it open but the vast majority of energy is make a lock not keeping it open.

if so then they still had no idea how much energy would be needed, if they could even connect or if they could even disconnect the gate when connected (like if they dialled a blackhole), if there was something wrong with the other gate that would cause more power to be drawn or if the planet was even capable of dialling the 9th chevron more than a few times.

for any reason they WOULD have a MALP close by so they wouldnt need to UNESSECARILY keep the gate open any longer than needed.

jelgate
March 27th, 2010, 09:32 PM
I think it would make sense to assess the wormhole first after a disconnection to see how stable it is. Especially given the unknown of dialing 9 chevrons

escyos
March 27th, 2010, 09:35 PM
I think it would make sense to assess the wormhole first after a disconnection to see how stable it is. Especially given the unknown of dialing 9 chevrons

i never said they would use a MALP on the first go, just have it close by so they could whip it out when they needed it and as such SHOULD have taken it out and sent it through when they dialled Destiny to check it out before going through, even though they had no choice.i sure wouldnt like to blindly go through, not having some clue what was on the other side

AdamTM
March 28th, 2010, 03:42 AM
if so then they still had no idea how much energy would be needed, if they could even connect or if they could even disconnect the gate when connected (like if they dialled a blackhole), if there was something wrong with the other gate that would cause more power to be drawn or if the planet was even capable of dialling the 9th chevron more than a few times.

for any reason they WOULD have a MALP close by so they wouldnt need to UNESSECARILY keep the gate open any longer than needed.

which brings me to another question:
how would they have reacted if for example the ninth chevron really lead to a black hole or another disastrous event?

Since the base was so deep in the mountain that it prevented beaming (idk why really, they beamed **** out of the SGC inside a mountain loads of times) how would they have evacuated the base in case of an emergency where the ninth chevron was not an option (without the LA bashing on the base that is.)

I mean, everything goes according to plan, they dial the 9th chevron, connection is stable, MALP goes through discovers black hole. Gate cant be shut down, beaming is not an option, what now?

escyos
March 28th, 2010, 04:11 AM
which brings me to another question:
how would they have reacted if for example the ninth chevron really lead to a black hole or another disastrous event?

Since the base was so deep in the mountain that it prevented beaming (idk why really, they beamed **** out of the SGC inside a mountain loads of times) how would they have evacuated the base in case of an emergency where the ninth chevron was not an option (without the LA bashing on the base that is.)

I mean, everything goes according to plan, they dial the 9th chevron, connection is stable, MALP goes through discovers black hole. Gate cant be shut down, beaming is not an option, what now?

umm go up to the top and get beamed out, im pretty sure they had jamming devices to prevent beaming out (like in the SGC) so all they had to do was to go up to the top, or (if they can) turn off the jamming devices

Ukko
March 28th, 2010, 06:44 AM
They had six minutes. Using the MALP would have wasted time, especially since they hadnt planed on using then.

AdamTM
March 28th, 2010, 07:54 AM
umm go up to the top and get beamed out, im pretty sure they had jamming devices to prevent beaming out (like in the SGC) so all they had to do was to go up to the top, or (if they can) turn off the jamming devices

yeah that i get, was the Hammond or any other ship always in orbit then?

Why couldnt they turn off the jamming devices in air then?

Ukko
March 28th, 2010, 08:02 AM
yeah that i get, was the Hammond or any other ship always in orbit then?

Why couldnt they turn off the jamming devices in air then?

The system was not responding.

escyos
March 28th, 2010, 06:53 PM
The system was not responding.

well the GATE system wasnt responding. As for the jamming devices, perhaps they cant be turned off, so as to prevent someone coming onto the base, turning them off and allowing the enemy to beam in/out

jelgate
March 28th, 2010, 06:54 PM
well the GATE system wasnt responding. As for the jamming devices, perhaps they cant be turned off, so as to prevent someone coming onto the base, turning them off and allowing the enemy to beam in/out

It was the planet itself that made beaming impossible

escyos
March 28th, 2010, 07:40 PM
It was the planet itself that made beaming impossible

nope.

CARTER: Twelve. Eighty-plus M.I.A. The bunker shielding technology prevented us from beaming out anyone inside.

jelgate
March 28th, 2010, 07:56 PM
nope.

CARTER: Twelve. Eighty-plus M.I.A. The bunker shielding technology prevented us from beaming out anyone inside.All that means is the bunker is shielded. Doesn't nescarrily mean the shield is artifically made. It could be natural as well. Given the unique core of the Icarus planet I wouldn't be surprised if "shielding technology" is natural.

escyos
March 28th, 2010, 11:39 PM
All that means is the bunker is shielded. Doesn't nescarrily mean the shield is artifically made. It could be natural as well. Given the unique core of the Icarus planet I wouldn't be surprised if "shielding technology" is natural.

they beamed in, if they couldnt beam then they wouldnt have been able to get down that way. if the core prevented beaming then eli, the senator, chloe and rush WOULDNT have been able to beam down, but they did., the bunker would refer to the base that is underground which is pretty much all of it. they have ways of preventing beam tech locking on to targets, so if the hammond tried to beam them in they could have beamed them over a cliff. based on what we saw and heard that is what happened.

Jper
March 29th, 2010, 04:46 AM
Suppose they did sent a MALP to Destiny? Then what? What would they have done? They couldn't disconnect from the lock they had on Destiny's gate and they only had about six minutes before the planet exploded with them on it, which would certainly result in them dying? You'd never be able to evacuate all those people (78) with luggage in the time left after sending a MALP. So why are you/we discussing this?

escyos
March 29th, 2010, 05:41 AM
Suppose they did sent a MALP to Destiny? Then what? What would they have done? They couldn't disconnect from the lock they had on Destiny's gate and they only had about six minutes before the planet exploded with them on it, which would certainly result in them dying? You'd never be able to evacuate all those people (78) with luggage in the time left after sending a MALP. So why are you/we discussing this?

still they had no clue the planet was going to explode, they were just evacuating because they couldnt fight the L.A off. and they would have kept trying to disconnect the gate until they had to evacuate. we are discussing this because it seemed foolhardy to just jump through blind

Jper
March 29th, 2010, 05:56 AM
still they had no clue the planet was going to explode,

Yes they had. They knew the core was unstable and the planet was going to explode.


they were just evacuating because they couldnt fight the L.A off.

We'll never know if they could or couldn't do that.


and they would have kept trying to disconnect the gate until they had to evacuate.

They couldn't disconnect the gate.


we are discussing this because it seemed foolhardy to just jump through blind

That's okay, but first you need to get the facts right. Then it doesn't seem so foolhardy anymore. :)

jelgate
March 29th, 2010, 07:20 AM
they beamed in, if they couldnt beam then they wouldnt have been able to get down that way. if the core prevented beaming then eli, the senator, chloe and rush WOULDNT have been able to beam down, but they did., the bunker would refer to the base that is underground which is pretty much all of it. they have ways of preventing beam tech locking on to targets, so if the hammond tried to beam them in they could have beamed them over a cliff. based on what we saw and heard that is what happened.

But they beamed in outside of the bunker meaning maybe something underground shields them from the Hammond's sensors.

escyos
March 29th, 2010, 08:07 AM
But they beamed in outside of the bunker meaning maybe something underground shields them from the Hammond's sensors.

that was what i said

escyos
March 29th, 2010, 08:13 AM
Yes they had. They knew the core was unstable and the planet was going to explode.

We'll never know if they could or couldn't do that.

They couldn't disconnect the gate.

That's okay, but first you need to get the facts right. Then it doesn't seem so foolhardy anymore. :)

TELFORD: "Icarus base, Telford. We can't hold 'em back."

and are you telling me that after dialling, when young cam in and went mad at rush, riley or one of the other techs wouldnt continue to try to disconnect or did they just sit their and twidle their thumbs?

jelgate
March 29th, 2010, 08:16 AM
TELFORD: "Icarus base, Telford. We can't hold 'em back."

and are you telling me that after dialling, when young cam in and went mad at rush, riley or one of the other techs wouldnt continue to try to disconnect or did they just sit their and twidle their thumbs?
Why not? Their have been tons of times in SG1 when despite Carter's vast inteligence she has been unable to disconnect. And the techs are significantly less knowlledgable in this area

Jper
March 29th, 2010, 08:20 AM
Why not? Their have been tons of times in SG1 when despite Carter's vast inteligence she has been unable to disconnect. And the techs are significantly less knowlledgable in this area

Yep, that's true.

Ukko
March 29th, 2010, 08:20 AM
Why not? Their have been tons of times in SG1 when despite Carter's vast inteligence she has been unable to disconnect. And the techs are significantly less knowlledgable in this area

Plus they only had six minutes to do it all in.

escyos
March 29th, 2010, 08:23 AM
anyway, they WOULD have had a MALP CLOSE-BY to use when/if they connected and why they never bothered DESPITE the fact that there may or may not have been enough time to send it through.

even though there was enough time for young and greer to go to where the senator was trapped, talk to scott and send him back, surely in that minute or two they could have at least tried.

seems like they would have had a system to deploy the MALP quickly and send it through. i am SPECULATING based on the fact that a military base would take precautions so.....i dont know, THEY DONT ALL DIE IN A PAINFUL WAY!

escyos
March 29th, 2010, 08:24 AM
Plus they only had six minutes to do it all in.

yes but they werent all travelling through in that six minutes, it was on for a bit beforehand

Ukko
March 29th, 2010, 08:28 AM
yes but they werent all travelling through in that six minutes, it was on for a bit beforehand

Nope. Carter said the gate was open for 6 minutes before the planet exploded.

They all werent traveling through because they all werent in or near the gate room, at the time of the attack.. People were cut off, people needed medical attention and others had to get to their posts, all before it was decided to use the gate for evac.

escyos
March 29th, 2010, 08:33 AM
Nope. Carter said the gate was open for 6 minutes before the planet exploded.

They all werent traveling through because they all werent in or near the gate room, at the time of the attack.. People were cut off, people needed medical attention and others had to get to their posts, all before it was decided to use the gate for evac.

huh? thats what i said, the gate turned on, young yelled at rush, left, told scott, scott went to the gate and then went through, which was at least 1 minute.

Ukko
March 29th, 2010, 08:37 AM
huh? thats what i said, the gate turned on, young yelled at rush, left, told scott, scott went to the gate and then went through, which was at least 1 minute.

I interpreted your post wrong.

yes but they werent all travelling through in that six minutes, it was on for a bit beforehand
Sounded to me like you meant it was on a bit longer.

Jper
March 29th, 2010, 08:41 AM
anyway, they WOULD have had a MALP CLOSE-BY to use when/if they connected and why they never bothered DESPITE the fact that there may or may not have been enough time to send it through.

even though there was enough time for young and greer to go to where the senator was trapped, talk to scott and send him back, surely in that minute or two they could have at least tried.

seems like they would have had a system to deploy the MALP quickly and send it through. i am SPECULATING based on the fact that a military base would take precautions so.....i dont know, THEY DONT ALL DIE IN A PAINFUL WAY!

You're forgetting that almost no-one knew that they were going to the Destiny, believing they would go back to Earth. It would look kinda suspicious if they'd sent a MALP to Earth... So Rush pushes Riley out of the way and dials the Destiny, then Eli, Rush and Riley know about it. Young comes in, and then Young knows about it. What's he gonna do? If they stay on the planet they face a certain death. So, his only choice is to evacuate through the gate with as much people and material/supplies as they can. Blaming Rush, getting a MALP, etc. will not help their situation, but will only lead to losing precious time and making other people suspicious which will result in losing more time.

Also, it's the Destiny we are talking about. The ninth-chevron-code address won't lead to just a gate in space. At least that's what Rush believes, and then at that moment, Young doesn't have any other choice that to trust and believe Rush. Why do you think there's such conflict between them from the get-go? From the moment on that Rush dialed the ninth chevron address the only thing they, Young included, could do, is to evacuate through the Stargate wherever it might lead them and take as much with them in the time alloted. And possibly hoping that they could dial Earth from their Destination (Destiny). Anything else is just losing time and counter-productive.

Okay, now let's assume the MALP is close by. Then let's assume they get it through the gate within those 6 minutes. Then let's assume that they can actually get back, receive the readings and interpret them. Assuming that the MALP survived the trip to Destiny and wasn't just thrown out of the gate into pieces like the evacuees. Then let's assume that the 6 minutes still haven't passed and the planet hasn't exploded yet, and that they aren't all dead yet.

So then you'd have the readings of the gate-room of the Destiny. What would they do? They can't just shut the gate down and dial somewhere else. Plus, the Destiny's gate-room is intact and atmosphere is breathable. So, why wouldn't they go?

And that's after all those assumptions. They'd have lost a whole lot of time. I mean, they are going to die, staying on Icarus. So, if the other side of that gate is also death, doesn't make much difference. They can't stay, and they can't go back to the Hammond, and they only have limited time before the planet explodes.

thekillman
March 29th, 2010, 08:56 AM
the reason there was no malp, was because the gate had incoming dials ignored and the only place they were meant to go was Destiny. the previous time failed, so why bother to have equipment in the gateroom, when you aren't gonna need it. the worst case scenario dial out would be the Alpha, Beta or Gamma site, or perhaps earth

Saquist
March 29th, 2010, 03:08 PM
Exactly my point.
Btw, out of curiosity, where did Shanks say that? can you provide a link?

hanks said the drama and conflict seems forced. “They’re creating tension, pathos and angst,” he said. “The conflict with the characters seems a bit forced.”

http://blastmagazine.com/the-magazine/entertainment/tv/2009/11/michael-shanks-beyond-the-gate/

escyos
March 29th, 2010, 05:41 PM
You're forgetting that almost no-one knew that they were going to the Destiny, believing they would go back to Earth. It would look kinda suspicious if they'd sent a MALP to Earth... So Rush pushes Riley out of the way and dials the Destiny, then Eli, Rush and Riley know about it. Young comes in, and then Young knows about it. What's he gonna do? If they stay on the planet they face a certain death. So, his only choice is to evacuate through the gate with as much people and material/supplies as they can. Blaming Rush, getting a MALP, etc. will not help their situation, but will only lead to losing precious time and making other people suspicious which will result in losing more time.

Also, it's the Destiny we are talking about. The ninth-chevron-code address won't lead to just a gate in space. At least that's what Rush believes, and then at that moment, Young doesn't have any other choice that to trust and believe Rush. Why do you think there's such conflict between them from the get-go? From the moment on that Rush dialed the ninth chevron address the only thing they, Young included, could do, is to evacuate through the Stargate wherever it might lead them and take as much with them in the time alloted. And possibly hoping that they could dial Earth from their Destination (Destiny). Anything else is just losing time and counter-productive.

Okay, now let's assume the MALP is close by. Then let's assume they get it through the gate within those 6 minutes. Then let's assume that they can actually get back, receive the readings and interpret them. Assuming that the MALP survived the trip to Destiny and wasn't just thrown out of the gate into pieces like the evacuees. Then let's assume that the 6 minutes still haven't passed and the planet hasn't exploded yet, and that they aren't all dead yet.

So then you'd have the readings of the gate-room of the Destiny. What would they do? They can't just shut the gate down and dial somewhere else. Plus, the Destiny's gate-room is intact and atmosphere is breathable. So, why wouldn't they go?

And that's after all those assumptions. They'd have lost a whole lot of time. I mean, they are going to die, staying on Icarus. So, if the other side of that gate is also death, doesn't make much difference. They can't stay, and they can't go back to the Hammond, and they only have limited time before the planet explodes.

the whole purpose of this thread was to discuss if they would have one close by, which they would, not to discuss the impracticalities of this. you can agree that they would have had a MALP close by and they should have used it, anything else is off topic..and quite frankly, getting annoying

escyos
March 29th, 2010, 05:42 PM
the reason there was no malp, was because the gate had incoming dials ignored and the only place they were meant to go was Destiny. the previous time failed, so why bother to have equipment in the gateroom, when you aren't gonna need it. the worst case scenario dial out would be the Alpha, Beta or Gamma site, or perhaps earth

Because they had NO clue where they were going to be sent.

AdamTM
March 30th, 2010, 01:10 AM
hanks said the drama and conflict seems forced. “They’re creating tension, pathos and angst,” he said. “The conflict with the characters seems a bit forced.”

http://blastmagazine.com/the-magazine/entertainment/tv/2009/11/michael-shanks-beyond-the-gate/

Thanks mate, i somehow missed that interview.

Saquist
March 30th, 2010, 04:26 AM
It's as close to an open and shut case as you're going to get without canon just saying it out right.
Those Malps have been the most consistent thing in the show next to zatnicatels.

I'm not sure if there any excuse not to have it ready to go on a gate that only has one destination and no arrivals. This was Youngs operation so is this just the start of his incompetence or was it just a production "error" we're making to big a deal over?

escyos
March 30th, 2010, 05:13 AM
It's as close to an open and shut case as you're going to get without canon just saying it out right.
Those Malps have been the most consistent thing in the show next to zatnicatels.

I'm not sure if there any excuse not to have it ready to go on a gate that only has one destination and no arrivals. This was Youngs operation so is this just the start of his incompetence or was it just a production "error" we're making to big a deal over?

.....quite possible....young does mention 'automated reconissance drone' but it make sense it would be just near the gate

jelgate
March 30th, 2010, 10:46 AM
.....quite possible....young does mention 'automated reconissance drone' but it make sense it would be just near the gate

No it doesn't. It makes little sense to have a bulky probe clutter the gateroom where there was no intent to dial the gate at the time

escyos
March 30th, 2010, 04:23 PM
No it doesn't. It makes little sense to have a bulky probe clutter the gateroom where there was no intent to dial the gate at the time

then in a small room just off the gate room, or just downt the hall, or stored in the roof, or they had a smaller version of it, or something better than having it stored 5 levels above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

escyos
March 30th, 2010, 04:26 PM
then in a small room just off the gate room, or just downt the hall, or stored in the roof, or they had a smaller version of it, or something better than having it stored 5 levels above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

correction having it STUPIDLY stored far away.

jelgate
March 30th, 2010, 06:29 PM
correction having it STUPIDLY stored far away.
We don't really know how far away the MALP room. The distance is really irrelevent. Under normal exploration measures time isn't a big factor. Just that the MALP is there to explore when the gate is locked

escyos
March 30th, 2010, 06:40 PM
We don't really know how far away the MALP room. The distance is really irrelevent. Under normal exploration measures time isn't a big factor. Just that the MALP is there to explore when the gate is locked

when they dialled planets in the sgc they had a malp RIGHT there, now they are dialling something unknown using a PLANETS CORE, (and they would know that there is a chance they could destroy the planet) so they WOULD have a MALP close by.

they had no clue as to the amount of time they had left, therefore you would have at least tried to send a MALP through, they of course did not know that the Hammond would not be able to evacuate them or fend off the L.A., so why take the chance jumping through the gate to the unknown, what if they ended up somewhere worse?

therefore the MALP would be close by and ready for deployment, especially considering they were close to dialling the ninth chevron, im sure that rush would want to go ahead with sending the MALP as he was obviously somewhat scared that the senator might pull the plug on the program that was jeopardising his career

jelgate
March 30th, 2010, 08:57 PM
when they dialled planets in the sgc they had a malp RIGHT there, now they are dialling something unknown using a PLANETS CORE, (and they would know that there is a chance they could destroy the planet) so they WOULD have a MALP close by.
They have a MALP on standby for a planned gate dial. The dialing of Destiny was unplanned not to mention Rush was violating orders


they had no clue as to the amount of time they had left, therefore you would have at least tried to send a MALP through, they of course did not know that the Hammond would not be able to evacuate them or fend off the L.A., so why take the chance jumping through the gate to the unknown, what if they ended up somewhere worse?

Exactly they had no clue of time left. Every second counted and the one thing that was certain was staying on Icarus was certain death. Might as well take the risk over dying on Icarus


therefore the MALP would be close by and ready for deployment, especially considering they were close to dialling the ninth chevron, im sure that rush would want to go ahead with sending the MALP as he was obviously somewhat scared that the senator might pull the plug on the program that was jeopardising his career
The MALP location really doesn't matter as long as its stored away that it doesn't hinder on normal base operations. Under prepared normal gate operations it would just have been called before dialing. Of course the Lucian Alliance and Rush selfishly dialing Destiny is far from normal

blackluster
March 31st, 2010, 02:50 AM
They have a MALP on standby for a planned gate dial. The dialing of Destiny was unplanned not to mention Rush was violating ordersThis seems to be the crux of the matter. To Young and Telford's knowledge, Rush had not yet figured out the power issue with dialling the 9th chevron, so if they know that there can't be a stable connection, I don't see why they'd have a MALP parked in front of the gate during an emergency of all times.

Saquist
March 31st, 2010, 07:57 AM
No it doesn't. It makes little sense to have a bulky probe clutter the gateroom where there was no intent to dial the gate at the time

I must contradict you, sir.
There is every reason to have that MALP on the Ramp as precedent shows and no reason not to. There was no Gate Traffic. The moment there is intent to dial the gate was the moment the MALP should have been on the RAMP.

Jper
March 31st, 2010, 08:09 AM
I must contradict you, sir.
There is every reason to have that MALP on the Ramp as precedent shows and no reason not to. There was no Gate Traffic. The moment there is intent to dial the gate was the moment the MALP should have been on the RAMP.

There was intent to dial to Earth. So you are suggesting they'd bring out the MALP to send it to Earth? Wasting valuable time by doing so?

blackluster
March 31st, 2010, 08:18 AM
The moment there is intent to dial the gate was the moment the MALP should have been on the RAMP. Nah, I don't think that reasoning applies in this case. I'd have to watch the ep again but I think Rush outlines the experimental procedure that was surrounding the 9th chevron project (he does so when the senator asks him about the away team I think). They would first sort out the power issue. The dial the gate. If they get a connection, they shut it down and analyze their results like power output from the core and the wormhole's stability. Sending stuff through, even a MALP is the very last stage of the experiment. Even when Scott was showing Eli around, we see scientists fiddling around the gate, probably monitoring the system they used to tie it into the core. Thus I think it is very likely that a device like the MALP would be in the way, especially since it would not be needed for quite some time regardless of the possibility of a stable wormhole.

Control_Chair
April 1st, 2010, 06:11 AM
They have a MALP on standby for a planned gate dial. The dialing of Destiny was unplanned not to mention Rush was violating orders


Nah, I don't think that reasoning applies in this case. I'd have to watch the ep again but I think Rush outlines the experimental procedure that was surrounding the 9th chevron project (he does so when the senator asks him about the away team I think). They would first sort out the power issue. The dial the gate. If they get a connection, they shut it down and analyze their results like power output from the core and the wormhole's stability. Sending stuff through, even a MALP is the very last stage of the experiment. Even when Scott was showing Eli around, we see scientists fiddling around the gate, probably monitoring the system they used to tie it into the core. Thus I think it is very likely that a device like the MALP would be in the way, especially since it would not be needed for quite some time regardless of the possibility of a stable wormhole.

The Plan was to dial the gate, establish a connection and send a MALP to check for viability, then shut it down and analyse the results from both the MALP and the data from the core before deciding whether or not to send a Team, why Dial the gate 3 times when only 2 is necessary. As this attempt to dial the 9 Chevron Address only a few hours earlier at most, before the attack occurred then there should have been a MALP on the ramp from that first attempt. It is possible that it was put away until Rush figured out the problem of why the dialling did not work, but not because the MALP would have cluttered up the gate room, because all the rest of the expedition crap was just lying around the gate room cluttering the place up.

apostrophe
May 19th, 2010, 08:18 PM
i never said they would use a MALP on the first go, just have it close by so they could whip it out when they needed it and as such SHOULD have taken it out and sent it through when they dialed Destiny to check it out before going through, even though they had no choice.i sure wouldn't like to blindly go through, not having some clue what was on the other side

I just started getting the first 3 DVD's from netflix so I'm going to pretend this thread isn't a month old and go through the episodes since they are still new for me.

I agree that they should have had the MALP there, sent it through and got just enough telemetry back to confirm the presence of air = basic viability, but little else. Then the decision to plunge ahead wouldn't have seemed so dumb. Milo says "It can't be worse than here, can it?" which is supposed to clinch it, but from SGA we know it could be worse, like total vacuum, what if it went to a space gate? Pretty common in the Pegasus galaxy.

Recall Scott lost radio contact so there probably was a problem with communications either over that distance through the wormhole or equipment damage due to the bombardment. Ideally the MALP could have locked up on it's last command and kept crawling forward otherwise everyone would have been smashing into it and probably killed. OTOH, fewer characters wouldn't hurt. No, I guess don't mean that, I don't actually want them to be killed off, but I am having trouble caring about most of the characters so far. It's like most of them would be "red shirts" from the old Star Trek cliché anyway. It's kind-of to be expected. OTOH, BSG killed off almost the entire human race and that was that. Obviously added to the jeopardy factor of the survivors.

Alternately, Scott could move the MALP off to the side before too many people came through. Having them send the MALP wouldn't have hurt the plot. Helped it a lot, in fact.

--

escyos
May 19th, 2010, 09:10 PM
I just started getting the first 3 DVD's from netflix so I'm going to pretend this thread isn't a month old and go through the episodes since they are still new for me.

I agree that they should have had the MALP there, sent it through and got just enough telemetry back to confirm the presence of air = basic viability, but little else. Then the decision to plunge ahead wouldn't have seemed so dumb. Milo says "It can't be worse than here, can it?" which is supposed to clinch it, but from SGA we know it could be worse, like total vacuum, what if it went to a space gate? Pretty common in the Pegasus galaxy.

Recall Scott lost radio contact so there probably was a problem with communications either over that distance through the wormhole or equipment damage due to the bombardment. Ideally the MALP could have locked up on it's last command and kept crawling forward otherwise everyone would have been smashing into it and probably killed. OTOH, fewer characters wouldn't hurt. No, I guess don't mean that, I don't actually want them to be killed off, but I am having trouble caring about most of the characters so far. It's like most of them would be "red shirts" from the old Star Trek cliché anyway. It's kind-of to be expected. OTOH, BSG killed off almost the entire human race and that was that. Obviously added to the jeopardy factor of the survivors.

Alternately, Scott could move the MALP off to the side before too many people came through. Having them send the MALP wouldn't have hurt the plot. Helped it a lot, in fact.

--

Milo? Dont you mean Eli?

apostrophe
May 19th, 2010, 11:40 PM
Milo? Dont you mean Eli?

Sorry. Yes, Eli. Right. Thanks . I'm terrible with names sometimes. And the large cast of all these new characters isn't helping.

Hopefully when I run through the episodes again the character names will start to stick.

Brian
January 1st, 2011, 01:40 AM
I think the only thing that matters here is time. Young hardly made it through the gate at all after that 6 minutes of it being open because he didn't walk through, he got blasted through. Young was also made aware upon his return to the gate room that they couldn't shut it down, as well as the core was going to go critical. Regardless of where the MALP was, it still would have resulted in (insert number here) people not getting through, including Young, Greer, and others. Once Rush dialed Destiny's address, there was no turning back, no alternate options...Scott's radio we can safely assume didn't work because once on the other side he didn't get a response after multiple attempts to contact Icarus.

Flyboy
January 1st, 2011, 01:49 PM
It's as close to an open and shut case as you're going to get without canon just saying it out right.
Those Malps have been the most consistent thing in the show next to zatnicatels.

I'm not sure if there any excuse not to have it ready to go on a gate that only has one destination and no arrivals. This was Youngs operation so is this just the start of his incompetence or was it just a production "error" we're making to big a deal over?

You do not leave valuable equipment lying around gathering dust. It gets stored away correctly.