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Madwelshboy
March 18th, 2010, 09:41 AM
MICHAEL SHANKS (“STARGATE SG-1,” “SMALLVILLE”) GUEST STARS AS A HUNTER — Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) are outnumbered by demons, but are saved at the last minute by Rob (guest star Michael Shanks) and his townspeople, who are aware of the Apocalypse, and have been training to fight and kill demons. The small town is very religious and Sam and Dean meet Pastor Gideon (guest star Larry Poindexter), who introduces them to his daughter Leah (guest star Kayla Mae Maloney.), whom he claims is a prophet. Leah tells the townspeople they must obey her orders if they want a spot in Heaven but when she starts turning the townspeople against each other in the name of the Lord, the brothers realize they must kill her. Charles Beeson directed the episode written by Julie Siege

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the fifth man
April 8th, 2010, 06:26 PM
Really good one tonight. Things are really starting to happen now, as we approach the season finale. That ending left me dumbfounded.

TheRandomOne
April 8th, 2010, 06:27 PM
"You have reached the voice mail of I don't understand, why do I have to say my name ?"

This would make an awesome voice mail for anyone lol

Replicator Todd
April 8th, 2010, 06:45 PM
Thats odd, in my area the CW aired a baseball game instead of this. :S

Salamas
April 8th, 2010, 09:01 PM
Hungover Cas was just plain hilarious, but a bit sad too. Poor thing just doesn't know how to cope and I guess he went the Dean way with drinking, an entire liquor store.

The ending, I did not see that coming. Lisa seemed just a throwaway character and then boom! Just...wait... I need to process this. I'm just puzzled, but I guess that's what Kripke does best, throw in tiny little things at the beginning that come back full force later on seemingly out the left field.

MattSilver 3k
April 8th, 2010, 10:33 PM
Hey, it's Daniel Jackson! Hehe, I didn't recognise him at first, but then when I did, laughter ensued.

Poor Cas. Slowly but surely turning into the stoner guy we met in The End. Poor Sam, who is really kinda trying to keep things together but failing miserably. And poor Dean, who's one step away from saying yes.

Christ this show is depressing lately always.

Heaven
April 9th, 2010, 04:20 AM
really good one

I hope they concentrate on Sam and Luci next
it's about time for Sam to go through something significant

Crichiel
April 9th, 2010, 12:07 PM
I liked this episode, but didn't love it...until the last 5 minutes.

What I liked:

-The cold opening. We have no idea what the boys had gotten into that left Sam bloody and the two of them pushing the Impala's engine so hard. But that was kinda cool. Right into the action.

-Nice part for Michael Shanks. I was really happy with how they used him. 1) It was a part that fit seemlessly into the Supernatural story. So, people who are fans of SG-1 can say, "Hey! Daniel!! :)" and those who don't know him, aren't saying, "Why is this guy getting so much face time?" Nope, he was just there to do his job as one of many guest stars of the week. And 2) I LOVED that he was finally playing a good (albeit misguided) character. It seems like every guest spot he takes these days, he's a bad guy. Much as I love the Michael, I think he plays good better than bad.

-The storyline with the false prophet was different. Useful that Castiel can list all the prophets of the top of his head. See, Cas? You're still useful! ;) Drunk cas was fun, if a little growly. :S

-Liked the preacher, and that even though it was his 'daughter', he was willing to speak up when things started to go off the rails.

-Dean's despondency. A little extreme, but it is reasonable I suppose after the last episode. What I enjoyed about this, though, was Sam's fervent committment to the cause. He is still fighting for all he's worth and doing his best to hold Dean up as well. With him trying so hard, I find it sad that everyone is still picking on him about his past choices. Like when Castiel so casually said, "Not you. Or me. And Sam's an abomination."....even though I thought Misha's delivery of that line was hilarious!! :o

-Dean being the one to kill The Whore. Nice that he could find that in himself. And nice that Sam could read just how much this might be saying about Dean's present state of mind.

And this brings us to the point of the episode that blew me away. I LOVE this twist of Dean running off to sell his soul to Michael. I was hoping that they would do something like this. Have us spend so much time worrying about Sam, and then have Dean be the one who gives in. (of course we won't know EXACTLY what Dean is planning until next week's ep, but still...)

Lisa. I don't know why I forget about her. Other threads have talked about the pros and cons of having a love interest for the boys, and most (myself included) seem to feel that no female has really been a good match for Dean. But when I saw Lisa, I was happy. Like I said, I forget about her, but I REALLY like her and Dean together. I could get behind that scenario if they go the 'happily ever after' route when the show wraps up.

I thought the scene between them played out really nicely. I was happy they didn't go the soap opera route and have her involved with someone else. Or have her no longer interested in Dean. And the other thing that gets me on board the Dean-Lisa (Disa? ;)) Train is the fact that she could read him so well and was so desperate to stop him. Great great emotion in this scene and what an unexpected way to end it. If I hadn't seen the actress' name in the credits (darn it!), this would have been a complete surprise.

Yep. Before the last five minutes of this episode, I would have rated it maybe a 6 or 7 out of 10, but the last bit gets an 11! :)

starg8fans
April 9th, 2010, 12:44 PM
Excellent recap as usual, Crichiel! I agree with everything you say, and some things got clearer in my head after reading it.

What I would like to add is the irony of both Sam and Cas getting wasted while Dean did not drink a drop as far as I could tell in this episode.

Also, I was glad that the Enokian (sp?) exorcism was a fake. I would have been really mad at Cas if he had not taught the boys this short version - much as I love to hear Dean spout Latin. And his translation was hilarious. 'Actually, it means... You breed with the mouth of a goat.* (cue blank looks from Sam and Dean) 'It's funnier in Enokian.'

One thing I was just waiting for at the end was for Lisa to tell Dean that Ben is his son after all. I've been rooting for this to be true for a long time. Which means - OMG (spoiler for next week's ep)Maybe the alternate vessel isn't Adam after all but Ben?!?! But then we're supposed to see a character we'd thought was 'dead for good', and Ben is very much alive right now and playing softball.
I can't wait to see how next week's ep will play out. I'm also curious what other 'conditions' Dean is going to request in exchange for letting Michael use him as an 'Angel condom'.

LoneStar1836
April 9th, 2010, 01:16 PM
I enjoyed the ep. Not as good as last week's but still interesting and entertaining. :)

Nice twist with the girl not being a profit and thus a tool to damn people to hell.

I hated that I was spoiled with the "THEN" intro about Lisa making an appearance. If she's included, then she'll obviously be in this episode somewhere. :mckay: So the ending wasn't so surprising as to where Dean drove off to.... I always liked Lisa as well as the thought of her and Dean together so nice way to incorporate her into the story again.

I've been expecting Dean to break at some point. It was just a matter of when. We are getting close to the end so the time has apparently come.



With him trying so hard, I find it sad that everyone is still picking on him about his past choices. Like when Castiel so casually said, "Not you. Or me. And Sam's an abomination."....even though I thought Misha's delivery of that line was hilarious!! :oI love Cas, but he has very little tact and tells you flat out what he's thinking. :D If you've ever watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer, he's like Anya...not used to conversing like people normally do as she used to be a 1000 yr old demon. She'd blurt out stuff no matter how inappropriate even if it was the truth. So since it's Cas saying that, I don't mind, and hopefully Sam doesn't either.

LizzieAnne
April 9th, 2010, 01:22 PM
I really enjoyed the ep and agree with everything that's been said except the last five minutes.

For me I was totally surprised by the Lisa visit and not in a good way. Where on earth did that come from! There's been nothing to suggest that the boy and Lisa meant so much to Dean that it would trigger him to do that thing we now think he's going to do. So apart from the lovely acting from Jensen there...I didn't like it.

Maybe if he they had had the boy being Dean's son and Dean had admitted that he knew all along that he was his I would have bought it. But I felt that Dean was using this sudden 'love' revelation of his as an excuse for what he is about to do.

So I ended up feeling disappointed with him.

iolanda
April 9th, 2010, 02:44 PM
There is so much to say to this episode but I'll re-watch it first. So just my 2 cents to the last five minutes: when Dean ran away and was driving through the night my only wish was "don't let this episode end right now" I guess I even said that loud. "Don't let it end here".

Up to that point I had totally forgotten that Lisa was in the THEN-part and since I didn't recognize the actresses name I didn't expect her to show. I had no clue where Dean was driving, I was so surprised and that made this part even more intense. I really loved that Lisa showed up again and I'd really love for Dean to be happy with her, though I am sure that that just won't happen.

Crichiel
April 9th, 2010, 04:14 PM
For me I was totally surprised by the Lisa visit and not in a good way. Where on earth did that come from! There's been nothing to suggest that the boy and Lisa meant so much to Dean.

I thought it made sense because we saw in Dream a Little Dream of Me that even months after he saw her, in Dean's mind, Lisa was his dream girl.

Heaven
April 9th, 2010, 05:02 PM
can someone please refresh my memory about that episode

is the kid Dean's son or not?

the fifth man
April 9th, 2010, 06:49 PM
can someone please refresh my memory about that episode

is the kid Dean's son or not?

From what we know, no, Ben isn't Dean's son.

LoneStar1836
April 9th, 2010, 07:14 PM
For me I was totally surprised by the Lisa visit and not in a good way. Where on earth did that come from! There's been nothing to suggest that the boy and Lisa meant so much to Dean that it would trigger him to do that thing we now think he's going to do. So apart from the lovely acting from Jensen there...I didn't like it.

Maybe if he they had had the boy being Dean's son and Dean had admitted that he knew all along that he was his I would have bought it. But I felt that Dean was using this sudden 'love' revelation of his as an excuse for what he is about to do.

So I ended up feeling disappointed with him.Heh. I thought that they might pull something and make the kid his...not that I'd care one way or the other but I'm kinda glad they didn't.

I didn't see it as an excuse though. I don't think she and Ben are his motivation for now wanting to say yes. I just think it was one last visit since he's not sure what's going to happen to him next. Sure he wants them to be protected and thinks he can work that deal because why wouldn't the angels agree to something so minor, but I didn't interpret them as being the reason for him now deciding to give in. I think Dean just wants this to be over.

starg8fans
April 9th, 2010, 09:34 PM
I thought it made sense because we saw in Dream a Little Dream of Me that even months after he saw her, in Dean's mind, Lisa was his dream girl.

You know, I totally did not realize it was Lisa when I watched that ep! But I just checked the screencaps, and you're right of course.


can someone please refresh my memory about that episode

is the kid Dean's son or not?

Lisa told Dean that she'd had a blood test done, and that she was sure Ben wasn't his. If this was the truth, or if she didn't want Dean to know because she felt he was a bad influence (I think she was a little upset, since Dean had just taught the kid to kick a bully in the nuts) I can't tell. I tend to think he isn't, because in that case the 'mini-Dean' behavior of Ben would be way over the top. There are some inconsistencies, though. To determine parenthood you'd need a blood sample of the Dad. I don't think Lisa had one of Dean, and she claims the father was some random guy in a bar, with 'a leather jacket, some scars and no mailing address' - how would she get a sample from him?


Heh. I thought that they might pull something and make the kid his...not that I'd care one way or the other but I'm kinda glad they didn't.

I didn't see it as an excuse though. I don't think she and Ben are his motivation for now wanting to say yes. I just think it was one last visit since he's not sure what's going to happen to him next. Sure he wants them to be protected and thinks he can work that deal because why wouldn't the angels agree to something so minor, but I didn't interpret them as being the reason for him now deciding to give in. I think Dean just wants this to be over.

I agree. For me, it was more a way of putting things right before he ended it. It seems this time it's Dean's turn to make the wrong choice, and contrary to Sam he's not even sure he's doing the right thing. So making sure certain special people survive may be his way of justifying his decision. Do you figure he's gonna ask for Bobby's use of his legs back as one of his 'conditions'?

BTW, I'm usually pretty good with suspension of disbelief where this show is concerned, but could you please remind me why it's so bad to say 'yes' to Michael? If the archangel has his 'sword' and the devil hasn't been able to enter his proper vessel yet, wouldn't that help to make the fight quicker so fewer people die? And won't dragging out the Apocalypse cause just as many deaths and suffering as this battle would, as we've seen in The End? Is the reason still they don't want Paradise on Earth, as Dean pointed out to Cas in Lucifer Rising, that it would be sorta like 'Stepford Wives'?

iolanda
April 9th, 2010, 11:40 PM
Lisa told Dean that she'd had a blood test done, and that she was sure Ben wasn't his. If this was the truth, or if she didn't want Dean to know because she felt he was a bad influence (I think she was a little upset, since Dean had just taught the kid to kick a bully in the nuts) I can't tell. I tend to think he isn't, because in that case the 'mini-Dean' behavior of Ben would be way over the top. There are some inconsistencies, though. To determine parenthood you'd need a blood sample of the Dad. I don't think Lisa had one of Dean, and she claims the father was some random guy in a bar, with 'a leather jacket, some scars and no mailing address' - how would she get a sample from him?

Isn't a tissue sample enough? Maybe Dean left a used tooth brush or something like that there.


BTW, I'm usually pretty good with suspension of disbelief where this show is concerned, but could you please remind me why it's so bad to say 'yes' to Michael? If the archangel has his 'sword' and the devil hasn't been able to enter his proper vessel yet, wouldn't that help to make the fight quicker so fewer people die? And won't dragging out the Apocalypse cause just as many deaths and suffering as this battle would, as we've seen in The End? Is the reason still they don't want Paradise on Earth, as Dean pointed out to Cas in Lucifer Rising, that it would be sorta like 'Stepford Wives'?

Saying "YES" would be one step further to the apocalyptic fight between Michael and Lucifer, which would destroy earth. I guess the main hope was to destroy Lucifer before that and without any big fight.
It would also mean that Dean gives in and gives up his free will to not be bossed around by fate and angels and predestination.
I guess we still cannot be sure if "The End" was really a glimpse into the future or a twisted Zachariah influenced version of future, despite what he said.

Still, over this season we had more and more reasons that giving in might not be the worst of ideas, since it wouldn't destroy Dean, would offer at least one way to have a fight at all and the certainty that the innocent victims of said fight will have it nice in the afterlife. So, the reasons against saying Yes are pretty crumbling, especially with Dean current state of mind.

starg8fans
April 10th, 2010, 12:08 AM
Isn't a tissue sample enough? Maybe Dean left a used tooth brush or something like that there.

Well, she did say 'blood test', but that could have referred to Ben. And given that she had no idea she was pregnant when he left, I doubt she would have kept something of Dean's that had any DNA in it. Anyway, I expect - or at least hope - this riddle will be solved later this season.


Saying "YES" would be one step further to the apocalyptic fight between Michael and Lucifer, which would destroy earth. I guess the main hope was to destroy Lucifer before that and without any big fight.
It would also mean that Dean gives in and gives up his free will to not be bossed around by fate and angels and predestination.
I guess we still cannot be sure if "The End" was really a glimpse into the future or a twisted Zachariah influenced version of future, despite what he said.

Still, over this season we had more and more reasons that giving in might not be the worst of ideas, since it wouldn't destroy Dean, would offer at least one way to have a fight at all and the certainty that the innocent victims of said fight will have it nice in the afterlife. So, the reasons against saying Yes are pretty crumbling, especially with Dean current state of mind.

Good point, I forgot that The End was only one possible outcome. If that was the set future, there was no point for Zachariah to show Dean because he'd never say yes. So I'm not the only one who's wondering why everybody is so dead set against Dean giving in?

Crichiel
April 10th, 2010, 05:53 AM
So I'm not the only one who's wondering why everybody is so dead set against Dean giving in?

I've been hoping and praying from the get-go that it would be Dean giving in! Not because after what they've shown us I think it's the best, most logical, or most humane solution--but because I think it will make a kick-a$$ story! :o

SheppAddictedFangirl
April 10th, 2010, 09:45 AM
Good point, I forgot that The End was only one possible outcome. If that was the set future, there was no point for Zachariah to show Dean because he'd never say yes. So I'm not the only one who's wondering why everybody is so dead set against Dean giving in?

No, you´re not the only one. I´m more boggled about his resistance against help from somebody who actually could help. They go on and on about the good guys not giving a darn, but it´s actually Dean´s refusal to allow them to help that´s the problem. JMO. :o
They already know that they cannot fight this fight on their own.
But that´s probably just Dean´s love for his brother, and knowing that "he" would kill him once he says yes. But after he tossed the amulett into the trash and was now able to do what he shouldn´t have been able to, it must have hit Sam pretty hard to realize just what that means...

LoneStar1836
April 11th, 2010, 11:58 AM
I agree. For me, it was more a way of putting things right before he ended it. It seems this time it's Dean's turn to make the wrong choice, and contrary to Sam he's not even sure he's doing the right thing. So making sure certain special people survive may be his way of justifying his decision. Do you figure he's gonna ask for Bobby's use of his legs back as one of his 'conditions'?Probably. Don't see why he wouldn't.



BTW, I'm usually pretty good with suspension of disbelief where this show is concerned, but could you please remind me why it's so bad to say 'yes' to Michael? If the archangel has his 'sword' and the devil hasn't been able to enter his proper vessel yet, wouldn't that help to make the fight quicker so fewer people die? And won't dragging out the Apocalypse cause just as many deaths and suffering as this battle would, as we've seen in The End? Is the reason still they don't want Paradise on Earth, as Dean pointed out to Cas in Lucifer Rising, that it would be sorta like 'Stepford Wives'?"It's better to die in the cause of freedom than to live in comfort as a slave." - Babylon 5, one of my other favorite shows.

And since this is a tv show I can easily support that philosophy. :D In the actual situation....who knows...though dying on Supernatural leads to an ideal heaven so that's not all bad as long as that's where I ended up. :D


I'm still kind of unclear as to what the actual endgame is if the angels win, but it seems that it's for their benefit and not the benefit of humans.

I've supported Dean's decision all this time because of the way the angels went about trying to get what they wanted. They are just as bad as Lucifer and the demons, imo. And neither side cares about what happens to the humans. So I say screw them both by not giving in.


I agree with Crichiel though and think it could make a kick-ass episode. :D

Crichiel
April 11th, 2010, 03:58 PM
[QUOTE=LoneStar1836;11395254

I've supported Dean's decision all this time because of the way the angels went about trying to get what they wanted. They are just as bad as Lucifer and the demons, imo. And neither side cares about what happens to the humans. So I say screw them both by not giving in.


I agree with Crichiel though and think it could make a kick-ass episode. :D[/QUOTE]

Hee hee. This is me exactly! Glad to see I'm not the only one who can feel both ways. Like I said I DID want Dean to give in because it would make for good drama, but I loved the season-long arc of them fighting it and telling both heaven and hell 'screw you'!

LtColCarter
April 13th, 2010, 07:49 AM
"You have reached the voice mail of I don't understand, why do I have to say my name ?"

This would make an awesome voice mail for anyone lol

:lol: I agree. I should change my voicemail message!


Thats odd, in my area the CW aired a baseball game instead of this. :S

Well, that stinks!


Hungover Cas was just plain hilarious, but a bit sad too. Poor thing just doesn't know how to cope and I guess he went the Dean way with drinking, an entire liquor store.

The ending, I did not see that coming. Lisa seemed just a throwaway character and then boom! Just...wait... I need to process this. I'm just puzzled, but I guess that's what Kripke does best, throw in tiny little things at the beginning that come back full force later on seemingly out the left field.

Drunk Cas was interesting! LOL I loved when he told Sam that his voice got on his nerves.

All in all a good episode! More gold from SPN

LaEsmerelda
August 14th, 2010, 02:26 PM
I had never seen Supernatural before this episode, but I wasn't impressed. It was hard to understand who the main characters were. I also was surprised that MS took such a small role. He was very under utilized as an actor.

iolanda
August 14th, 2010, 11:27 PM
I had never seen Supernatural before this episode, but I wasn't impressed. It was hard to understand who the main characters were. I also was surprised that MS took such a small role. He was very under utilized as an actor.

99 problems not really a very good episode to start Supernatural with. Its in the middle of a heavy story arc and one of the episodes leading to the big finale, so I guess its pretty difficult to understand what's going on and why. Michales role wasn't just that big, he was a supporting guest star. His wife was in a better episode (The End) but her role was even smaller.

Crichiel
August 15th, 2010, 06:00 AM
I had never seen Supernatural before this episode, but I wasn't impressed. It was hard to understand who the main characters were. I also was surprised that MS took such a small role. He was very under utilized as an actor.

Sounds familiar. I had never seen SG-1 before season 9 but I wasn't impressed. It was hard to understand who the main characters were. I couldn't believe a brilliant actor like Ben Browder would take a role where his dramatic talents were so under utilized. And I felt this way for an entire season and a half. Then I watched the show's OTHER 8 seasons and realised I had jumped to a very wrong conclusion. :o (though I still think Ben Browder was wasted by only showing his more comedic side, the man's a great cryer! :D)

So when I first saw Supernatural (not starting with the first episode in this one either), even though I didn't like the episode I saw (too scary) and didn't understand it, I waited until I saw more of it and understood the overall story before I decided I did or didn't like it.

P.S. You want small parts? MS took a much smaller part on Eureka! ;)