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jelgate
March 16th, 2010, 09:05 PM
Writer: Rob Copper
Director:Rob Copper
I beat him once again.


Multiple correct guesses. I believe the first one to get it was Chevron7�

Episode #6: TRIAL AND ERROR

Episode #7: THE GREATER GOOD

Episode #8: MALIC

Episode #9: ???

Episode #10: RESURGENCE



http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/march-16-2010-i-finally-discover-my-true-calling-dinner-with-erika-atlantis-missing-memories-one-more-episode-title/

More details to follow as PG15 stops being lazy and gives them to us:P

EDITS

In other writerly news, Paul and Carl are brainstorming #6 and #7, while Rob and Remi look to tackle #8 and #9. Looks like Linda and I (or, more appropriately given the slotting) will double-team on #10 and #11, leaving Brad to tackle #12.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/february-11-2010-production-update-olympic-update-mailbag/

Rob is off on a �distant location� scout for episode #8, but returns to Vancouver Sunday night.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/march-5-2010-a-possible-return-visit-more-items-of-interest-from-the-atlantis-vault-and-an-sgu-production-update/


ed writes: �Do you guys have any location shooting planned for season 2? Location shooting as in Nevada/New Mexico, not �20 miles from Vancouver�.�

Answer: As a matter of fact, we do. Rob will be racking up the airmiles when it comes time for him to direct Malice.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/03/27/march-27-2010-no-king-crab-for-you-more-from-the-atlantis-archives-mailbag/


I head back to my office and read [Rob�s first draft of Malice]. Great script! It�s going to be one hell of a location shoot!


http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/april-15-2010-okay-this-is-the-plan/


Remi continues his rewrite of Visitation, Lisa continues work on her first draft of Alliances, Robert is in New Mexico shooting Malice, while Paul is on set overseeing production on Trial and Error. Busy, busy!
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/may-12-2010-ice-cream-update-production-update-the-mailbag/


Rob is in New Mexico shooting episode #8, Malice (his version of The Searchers).
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/may-14-2010-stargate-universe-episode-17-pain-production-update-atlantis-stuff/


Meanwhile, Paul has started work on the second part of the mid-season two-parter and he’s elected to abandon all three place-holder titles “Resurgence II: The Heretic”, “Resurgence II: Electric Boogaloo”, and “Still Resurging” in favor of the much more understated “Deliverance”. Brad is working on his rewrite of Twin Destinies following our marathon morning mind-bending discussion. Carl’s on set hanging with the guest stars for his episode, The Greater Good. Linda is working on her rewrite of Alliances while Remi has started fleshing out one of his new arenas. Rob should be in post, working on his director/producer’s cut of Malice. And, with my revised draft of Resurgence out, I am looking ahead to my next story…whatever that may be. I’m thinking musical.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/may-27-2010-get-yer-dog-pics-fix-sgu-production-update-next-up-on-the-reading-block/


Big #SGU night. Wrapped 'Malice', a dark & thrilling Rob Cooper joint.
http://twitter.com/PatrickGilmore/status/15469813140

PG15
March 16th, 2010, 09:15 PM
For your information, I was on twitter ranting about politics in tiny 140-character bits! :p

Anyways, the past info I've collected:


In other writerly news, Paul and Carl are brainstorming #6 and #7, while Rob and Remi look to tackle #8 and #9. Looks like Linda and I (or, more appropriately given the slotting) will double-team on #10 and #11, leaving Brad to tackle #12.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/february-11-2010-production-update-olympic-update-mailbag/



Rob is off on a distant location scout for episode #8, but returns to Vancouver Sunday night.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/march-5-2010-a-possible-return-visit-more-items-of-interest-from-the-atlantis-vault-and-an-sgu-production-update/

Once again, please add:

Writer: Rob Cooper
Director: ?

...to your post. Don't forget to bold the "Writer" and "Director" this time! :p

DigiFluid
March 16th, 2010, 09:16 PM
Malic?

jelgate
March 16th, 2010, 09:16 PM
For your information, I was on twitter ranting about politics in tiny 140-character bits! :p


You should have been ranting on LJ so I could tell you why you are wrong:P

PG15
March 16th, 2010, 09:19 PM
Or you can get on twitter. ;)

By the way, I've edited my previous post. You should read it.

Pharaoh Atem
March 16th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Malic?

terrible name

jelgate
March 16th, 2010, 09:25 PM
Or you can get on twitter. ;)

By the way, I've edited my previous post. You should read it.
I'm not that big of a loser.

Already done


terrible name

I think it has to do with food. If that is the case its pretty clever

PG15
March 16th, 2010, 09:26 PM
You just called Ming Na, David Blue, LDP, ELYSE LEVESQUE, Brian J. Smith, etc. etc. etc. losers. You just flamed the actors!

MODS!!!

Oh, and it has to be Malice. The original title "puzzle" had 6 letters and the last letter was E.

DigiFluid
March 16th, 2010, 09:29 PM
Oh, and it has to be Malice. The original title "puzzle" had 6 letters and the last letter was E.
Ah okay, that makes sense.

MattSilver 3k
March 16th, 2010, 10:00 PM
I don't know what y'all are on about - JM's blog says it's Malice...


Episode #8: MALICE

Oh god, who's right and who's wrong? I'm be pulled left and right here! (Or it was Malic before JM corrected his mistake. And yet, he didn't note that Missing was a Season 4 episode, not a Season 5 one)

In on topic news, Malice, eh? Sounds like a barrel of laughs.

jelgate
March 16th, 2010, 10:12 PM
Well malice is pretty straight forward on what the episode is about. But who is being charged with malice. I bet its Young. I''ll ask the mods to change the title.

KEK
March 16th, 2010, 10:19 PM
^^ It's not necessarily meant in the legal sense, in fact I suspect that it's probably not.

DigiFluid
March 16th, 2010, 10:27 PM
I wouldn't expect it to be legalese either. Malice, hurting other people.

Pharaoh Atem
March 16th, 2010, 10:57 PM
rush vs young teleford's the ref.

MattSilver 3k
March 16th, 2010, 11:20 PM
rush vs young teleford's the ref.

Twenty bucks on Telford being out of the picture by then.

I'll put TJ down as referee, though. Maybe even Eli.

EllieVee
March 17th, 2010, 01:00 AM
As much as I adore Rush, I do hope some of the other characters get a look in sometimes. In small portions, obviously, I don't want to deprive RC of screen time.

jelgate
March 17th, 2010, 07:26 AM
Twenty bucks on Telford being out of the picture by then.

I'll put TJ down as referee, though. Maybe even Eli.

I'll take that bet

Jumper_One
March 27th, 2010, 08:12 PM
ed writes: Do you guys have any location shooting planned for season 2? Location shooting as in Nevada/New Mexico, not 20 miles from Vancouver.

Answer: As a matter of fact, we do. Rob will be racking up the airmiles when it comes time for him to direct Malice.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/03/27/march-27-2010-no-king-crab-for-you-more-from-the-atlantis-archives-mailbag/

jmoz
March 27th, 2010, 10:22 PM
So maybe there will be multiple gate visits in this one?

PG15
March 28th, 2010, 01:21 AM
Where's jel? As he's the thread starter, he must now update the first post to reflect the newly-found identity of the Director.

*Sigh* This would be much easier if I started the thread. :p

jelgate
March 28th, 2010, 07:27 AM
Where's jel? As he's the thread starter, he must now update the first post to reflect the newly-found identity of the Director.

*Sigh* This would be much easier if I started the thread. :p

Thats why its more fun. Watching you stress out over this. Concidentally I updated the first post with Jumper's new info and forgot about adding the director.

reddevil18
March 29th, 2010, 06:55 AM
It's not "ed", it's "red", you *******! RED! As in me! You put the "r" right back where you found it, you hear me? It was thanks to me that we have discovered this crucial bit of information!

PG15
April 14th, 2010, 10:54 PM
Small update:


I head back to my office and read [Robs first draft of Malice]. Great script! Its going to be one hell of a location shoot!


http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/april-15-2010-okay-this-is-the-plan/

EllieVee
April 14th, 2010, 10:55 PM
When there is a list of episode updates in the subscribed threads list, you know the last post is going to be from PG15. :D

PG15
April 15th, 2010, 01:53 AM
It's what I do. ;)

MattSilver 3k
April 15th, 2010, 05:39 AM
It's what I do. ;)

Getting an odd "200" flashback moment.

globex
April 18th, 2010, 01:20 AM
Sounds like a concentration camp sort of episode. Doesn't Malice mean torture, or, seeing others torture?

Season 2 seems to look more promising than the first.

EllieVee
April 18th, 2010, 01:57 AM
Sounds like a concentration camp sort of episode. Doesn't Malice mean torture, or, seeing others torture?

Season 2 seems to look more promising than the first.

Which is great because season one has been brilliant.

globex
April 18th, 2010, 03:21 AM
Which is great because season one has been brilliant.

Well I hope that someone loses a limb :p :D

jelgate
April 18th, 2010, 08:31 AM
Sounds like a concentration camp sort of episode. Doesn't Malice mean torture, or, seeing others torture?

Season 2 seems to look more promising than the first.

Malice is the intent and/or threat to harm someone. Please note it goes beyond to hurt someone physically. Their are other ways to harm someone. And then thier is actual malice which is totally different in dealing with libel and slander

Pharaoh Atem
April 19th, 2010, 02:13 PM
Malice is the intent and/or threat to harm someone. Please note it goes beyond to hurt someone physically. Their are other ways to harm someone. And then thier is actual malice which is totally different in dealing with libel and slander

looks like young & rush's game of chess must go wrong :P

Nikec3
May 12th, 2010, 02:07 PM
Another New Mexico episode:

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/2010/05/sgu-to-shoot-malice-in-new-mexico/

Kermee
May 12th, 2010, 03:57 PM
:cool:Road trip time!
I wonder which cast members will be on the NM set? :vortex04:

Jumper_One
May 12th, 2010, 04:58 PM
Remi continues his rewrite of Visitation, Lisa continues work on her first draft of Alliances, Robert is in New Mexico shooting Malice, while Paul is on set overseeing production on Trial and Error. Busy, busy!
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/may-12-2010-ice-cream-update-production-update-the-mailbag/

EllieVee
May 12th, 2010, 08:40 PM
According to KRQE (http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/business/stargate-universe-sets-farmington-shoot), it's Robert Carlyle, Brian J. Smith, and Jamil Walker Smith.

Air III redux?

jelgate
May 12th, 2010, 10:17 PM
According to KRQE (http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/business/stargate-universe-sets-farmington-shoot), it's Robert Carlyle, Brian J. Smith, and Jamil Walker Smith.

Air III redux?Only if David Blue is added

EllieVee
May 13th, 2010, 02:57 AM
Only if David Blue is added

I'm thinking of Rush, Greer and Scott going off together and what ensued.

Jumper_One
May 14th, 2010, 04:58 PM
Rob is in New Mexico shooting episode #8, Malice (his version of The Searchers).
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/may-14-2010-stargate-universe-episode-17-pain-production-update-atlantis-stuff/

EllieVee
May 14th, 2010, 05:04 PM
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/may-14-2010-stargate-universe-episode-17-pain-production-update-atlantis-stuff/

Hmmm, as much as I love SGU, I don't think anyone can match John Ford.

PG15
May 15th, 2010, 02:36 AM
They are filming in the Bisti Badlands:

http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/74762-SGU-filming-in-New-Mexico-again-Extras-wanted!?p=11508300&viewfull=1#post11508300

EllieVee
May 15th, 2010, 02:47 AM
I think Malice would be a splendid opportunity to have another musical montage:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpRm-p7qlY

Jumper_One
May 18th, 2010, 07:16 PM
Sure, I could give you a production update, tell you that Brad and Rob are in New Mexico for Day #2 of Malice, that Carl was on set for Day #1 of The Greater Good, that Remi delivered his revised writer’s draft of Visitation, Linda delivered her first draft of Alliances, Paul delivered his outline of Resurgence : Electric Boogaloo, and that I’ve almost completed my rewrite of Resurgence – but, instead, I think I’ll let the pics do the talking today...
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/may-18-2010-sundry-pics-and-a-side-of-mailbag/

Jumper_One
May 27th, 2010, 05:33 PM
Meanwhile, Paul has started work on the second part of the mid-season two-parter and he’s elected to abandon all three place-holder titles “Resurgence II: The Heretic”, “Resurgence II: Electric Boogaloo”, and “Still Resurging” in favor of the much more understated “Deliverance”. Brad is working on his rewrite of Twin Destinies following our marathon morning mind-bending discussion. Carl’s on set hanging with the guest stars for his episode, The Greater Good. Linda is working on her rewrite of Alliances while Remi has started fleshing out one of his new arenas. Rob should be in post, working on his director/producer’s cut of Malice. And, with my revised draft of Resurgence out, I am looking ahead to my next story…whatever that may be. I’m thinking musical.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/may-27-2010-get-yer-dog-pics-fix-sgu-production-update-next-up-on-the-reading-block/

globex
May 29th, 2010, 08:52 PM
This could be a great episode since Robert C Cooper is involved.

PG15
June 5th, 2010, 02:56 AM
Tweet...


Big #SGU night. Wrapped 'Malice', a dark & thrilling Rob Cooper joint.

http://twitter.com/PatrickGilmore/status/15469813140

PG15
June 13th, 2010, 02:41 AM
The lovely Julia Benson (aka. Lieutenant Vanessa James) did a Q&A on Joe's blog today, and...


Major D. Davis writes: “ [...] 2. What is you favorite episode in season 2…which one do you think will be a fan favorite(of the ones you’ve read and shot so far)?

JB: So far in season 2 Malice would be my favorite episode. It was written and directed by Robert Cooper and we just finished shooting this week. I think that the fans will love it because there are high stakes and lots of good action. There is also some great stuff between Rush and Simeon. When two actors like that get to square off it is explosive. I also got to do a fun stunt, which I love, so maybe I am biased!

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/june-12-2010-actress-julia-benson-answers-your-questions/

Jper
June 13th, 2010, 03:18 AM
Who is Simeon?

EllieVee
June 13th, 2010, 03:21 AM
Who is Simeon?

Jper's back! Flying visit or here for good?

Simeon is an LA character played by Robert Knepper.

major davis
June 13th, 2010, 12:21 PM
Jper's back! Flying visit or here for good?

Simeon is an LA character played by Robert Knepper.

I guess this is the

standoff episode

as mentioned in the castings sides. And RCs directing it. NM shoots. Crap.. Fall feels soooooo far away.

EDIT: Sweet... glad I could help contribute to a season 2 spoiler. :p

Jumper_One
June 14th, 2010, 06:52 PM
We screened back to back director’s cuts today: episode 207 (The Greater Good) and episode 208 (Malice). Great stuff. This first half will see a narrative progression very similar to what we saw in the back half of season one, with various story elements building to occasionally explosive conclusions. Plenty of secrets, surprises, and shocking revelations.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/june-14-2010-swordspoint-by-ellen-kushner/

Jumper_One
June 15th, 2010, 08:26 AM
Julia Benson: “So far in Season Two ‘Malice’ would be my favorite episode,” she said. “It was written and directed by Robert Cooper and we just finished shooting this week. I think that the fans will love it because there are high stakes and lots of good action. There is also some great stuff between Rush and Simeon [guest star Robert Knepper]. When two actors like that get to square off it is explosive.

“I also got to do a fun stunt, which I love, so maybe I am biased!”
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/06/julia-benson-talks-lt-james-sgu-season-two/

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 15th, 2010, 09:56 AM
explosive conclusions after a build up
Rush and Simeon...and explosive

can I say too many times how much I love the whole thought of explosive!
explosive...just had to say it again....http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d23/XXXevilgrinXXX/0ac70185.gif

PG15
June 23rd, 2010, 11:33 AM
Update:


Anyway, here it is. My Rob Cooper Top Ten!

[...]

2. Malice (Stargate: Universe, Season 2)

They say that vengeance is a dish best served cold, but this episode makes a great case for serving it hot – as in the scorching environs of an alien world where a deadly game of cat and mouse plays itself out.


http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/june-22-2010-my-rob-cooper-top-ten/

kudra
June 27th, 2010, 08:13 AM
So this is a Rush vs Simeon episode, it involves a game of cat & mouse on a hot world and Joe's blog says the theme is vengence. Sounds like a great episode. I wonder who is out for vengence and who is the hunted? I like the idea of Rush being the one who discovers what Simeon has been up to and decides to deal with him, Simeon may be a professional criminal but no-one out manipulates Rush for long. Or maybe Rush has already foiled Simeon's plans and exposed him so he's the one who is out for blood?

Jumper_One
August 25th, 2010, 08:24 PM
We’ve been deluged with mixes! Awakening yesterday, Malice today, and The Greater Good tomorrow. Awakening boasts some of those incredible(r) VFX I was referring to (especially one complicated sequence many had reservations about that turned out nothing short of amazing) in addition to the discovery of a little something certain fans have been asking about since first season. Malice (written, directed,and produced by Rob Cooper) is an intense, action-filled, thoroughly engaging episode, one of those entries you can watch over and over again. We had very few notes on the mix and, shortly after the screening, I emailed Rob to congratulate him on a job well done and commend him for actually using very little music. The silences were eerie and very effective. To which Rob responded: “Thanks. I should have told you guys that many of the cues are actually missing. Joel’s been on vacation. Some of the music that’s in there may actually be placeholders. I’m going to his studio in LA to work on the music next week.” Oh. Never mind then.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/august-24-2010-our-vfx-team-behind-the-scene-pics-ashleighs-unsolicited-advice/

Gamma626
August 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
Brian J. Smith said this is his favorite of 2 so far as well.

Jumper_One
September 6th, 2010, 08:17 PM
A little while ago, Robert Cooper dropped me an email to offer some kind words on “Downfall”, my short story that appears in the superhero-themed anthology Masked (and this month’s Book of the Month Club pick! You’ve got a week to finish up!). I don’t know what was more surprising – the fact that he was kind enough to take the time to read the story, or the fact that he was able to resist the temptation to give me notes for old time’s sake. Well, I can honestly say the writers’ room hasn’t been the same without him and he has been greatly missed – but I’m pleased to hear he’ll be back in town for a few days next week to put the finishing touches on his masterpiece, Malice, and host the big opening week Sunday night NFL game pitting the Washington Redskins against his Dallas Cowboys.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/september-6-2010-rika-chan-rob-cooper-nfl-and-my-new-college-football-team/

mi_guard
October 12th, 2010, 02:09 AM
I just saw a video where Carlyle was interviewed about the show and he mentions this episode and how Rush is driven to seek revenge but elaborated no further.

Honestly the only plotline that I could see making Rush snap is if scientist Amanda Perry comes back to Destiny via the blue stones and Simeon kills her ( and consequently the SGC person switching with her)

She is the one character that Rush seems to consider as an intellectual equal and he appears to have some romantic feelings for her and he is genuinely kind to her. I also think she is one of the few characters that accepts Rush for who he is and is ok with it.

Killing her would be the only thing that would, IMHO, make him snap mentally. It's clear he has no real affection for anyone else on the Destiny or back on Earth ( Maybe to Brody in a favored employee kind of way, Brody seems to be Rush's No#1 lackey/supporter on the show)

Good thought! To kill her or at least to do her some kind of harm would surely drive him crazy.

But is there any evidence that Amanda Perry will be in the episode 'Malice'? I think it has been said that she will be in the previous one 'the Greater Good'.

reddevil18
October 12th, 2010, 05:26 AM
Good thought! To kill her or at least to do her some kind of harm would surely drive him crazy.

But is there any evidence that Amanda Perry will be in the episode 'Malice'? I think it has been said that she will be in the previous one 'the Greater Good'.
Oh, for the love of...
IF, and I mean IF she does die and Rush seeks revenge in Malice...doesn't it make sense that she would die in the episode before that? I mean, come on!

myhelix
October 26th, 2010, 07:01 AM
Newest episode description for Malice 2x08 *spoiler heavy*

Lucian Alliance prisoner Simeon escapes, creating a manhunt on a remote planet.

Ginn, using the stones to trade bodies with Dr. Amanda Perry, continues to fill in Homeworld Command of an impending Lucian Alliance attack. Suspecting she's giving up valuable information Simeon manufactures an escape by killing his guard then making his way to silence Ginn.

Taking Park hostage, Simeon forces Volker to dial a planet and escapes off the ship. When Rush finds Ginn's lifeless body, knowing what it means for Dr. Perry, he gates to the planet on a mission of vengeance. But Homeworld Command, believing Simeon has information that could prevent an attack on Earth orders he be captured alive. Col. Young must send Lt. Scott and Msgt. Greer to bring Simeon back before he kills Rush or is killed himself.

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 26th, 2010, 07:37 AM
Newest episode description for Malice 2x08 *spoiler heavy*

Lucian Alliance prisoner Simeon escapes, creating a manhunt on a remote planet.

Ginn, using the stones to trade bodies with Dr. Amanda Perry, continues to fill in Homeworld Command of an impending Lucian Alliance attack. Suspecting she's giving up valuable information Simeon manufactures an escape by killing his guard then making his way to silence Ginn.

Taking Park hostage, Simeon forces Volker to dial a planet and escapes off the ship. When Rush finds Ginn's lifeless body, knowing what it means for Dr. Perry, he gates to the planet on a mission of vengeance. But Homeworld Command, believing Simeon has information that could prevent an attack on Earth orders he be captured alive. Col. Young must send Lt. Scott and Msgt. Greer to bring Simeon back before he kills Rush or is killed himself.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d23/XXXevilgrinXXX/125A9B1.gif
wow!

Artemis-Neith
October 26th, 2010, 07:51 AM
Newest episode description for Malice 2x08 *spoiler heavy*

Lucian Alliance prisoner Simeon escapes, creating a manhunt on a remote planet.

Ginn, using the stones to trade bodies with Dr. Amanda Perry, continues to fill in Homeworld Command of an impending Lucian Alliance attack. Suspecting she's giving up valuable information Simeon manufactures an escape by killing his guard then making his way to silence Ginn.

Taking Park hostage, Simeon forces Volker to dial a planet and escapes off the ship. When Rush finds Ginn's lifeless body, knowing what it means for Dr. Perry, he gates to the planet on a mission of vengeance. But Homeworld Command, believing Simeon has information that could prevent an attack on Earth orders he be captured alive. Col. Young must send Lt. Scott and Msgt. Greer to bring Simeon back before he kills Rush or is killed himself.

That was partly expected, But still sounds really interesting.

Possibly a hard choice for Greer, who should he kill catch first, Simeon or Rush? Might be wise to send Scott with him.

Makenshi
October 26th, 2010, 08:05 AM
cursed be the powers that be for killing eli's girl ! ! !

there, i blasphemed, live with it faithful ones ¬¬

myhelix
October 26th, 2010, 08:56 AM
I wonder if "just" one of them is dead and Perry or Ginn is alive?
Also we saw in the Trailer Rush kissing Perry, who was in a leather outfit. So Rush is kissing technically Eli´s love interest :D That dilemma could get very interesting!
Also we saw Rush pulling the trigger, wonder if that is a trailer trick? And Scott and Greer have to search for the two, I like the episode already!

AndSoItBegins
October 26th, 2010, 04:33 PM
I wonder if "just" one of them is dead and Perry or Ginn is alive?
Also we saw in the Trailer Rush kissing Perry, who was in a leather outfit. So Rush is kissing technically Eli´s love interest :D That dilemma could get very interesting!
Also we saw Rush pulling the trigger, wonder if that is a trailer trick? And Scott and Greer have to search for the two, I like the episode already!

The ep does sound interesting but I'm tired of the heavy Rush-lean of this show. I can understand his character being upset but am I supposed to believe that he is going to pick up a weapon and realistically go after a warrior like Simeon? Alone? That's about as realistic as having Greer or Lt James figure out the science behind unlocking the secrets of Destiny. TPTB wouldn't dare have the soldiers figure out complex mysteries such as those but they don't have an issue with a relative weakling like Rush, one who is middle aged and not exactly spending time practicing his shooting skills, be taken seriously as a guy to hunt down someone like Simeon? Oh, of course they don't if it means they can give even more screen time to their favorite character. If TPTB had not been playing favortism they would have made an furious Rush sit on the sidelines while the true soldiers went about going after Simeon. That's far more realistic and interesting because for once Rush woud not be able to control or manipulate a situation. But TPTB are taking a daytime soap opera approach in which its the hero who tracks down and takes out the murderous bad guys, rather than have the police characters of the show do that. Once Simeon was back on board and in Rush's element then it would be more plausible for Rush to try to get revenge. Rush going on a rogue manhunt on a desolate planet to avenge Perry is absurd IMO.

SGFerrit
October 26th, 2010, 08:44 PM
But TPTB are taking a daytime soap opera approach in which its the hero who tracks down and takes out the murderous bad guys, rather than have the police characters of the show do that.

The soap opera comparisons really are becoming more and more absurd by the day.

jelgate
October 26th, 2010, 08:44 PM
The soap opera comparisons really are becoming more and more absurd by the day.

Nonsense. They were absurd on Day1. Kind of like the BSGU stuff

AndSoItBegins
October 26th, 2010, 09:01 PM
The soap opera comparisons really are becoming more and more absurd by the day.

The difference is that the other folks who make those claims simply call SGU a soap because they act as if soaps are the only TV programs that are supposed to deal with relationships. And frankly that's ignorant. My comparison however is to point out how writers of soap operas allow the stars or their favorite characters to do things that other characters are far more equipped for (ex: the studly young med student :: our hero :: tracks down the serial killer who has alluded the seasoned cops). And speaking as a guy who had a particular girlfriend who was obsessed with soaps, and played the recordings of them in our bedroom, trust me when I say this particular plot point of this ep is something that happens a lot on daytime TV. That's all.

morbosfist
October 26th, 2010, 09:55 PM
Without knowing the circumstances, how can you say Rush is taking matters into his own hands just because he's a main character? Maybe they're stuck on that planet and Simeon stole the remote, or Rush chased him through the gate in a rage. Without knowing the circumstances, trying to make soap opera comparisons to an episode you haven't seen more than a few clips of is at best foolish.

AndSoItBegins
October 26th, 2010, 11:17 PM
Without knowing the circumstances, how can you say Rush is taking matters into his own hands just because he's a main character? Maybe they're stuck on that planet and Simeon stole the remote, or Rush chased him through the gate in a rage. Without knowing the circumstances, trying to make soap opera comparisons to an episode you haven't seen more than a few clips of is at best foolish.


"he gates to the planet on a mission of vengeance"

What part of that spoiler don't you understand? And considering how folks have been whooping it up for weeks over the idea of a badass Rush with a gun I think I there's a chance my educated guess/hunch could be right.

morbosfist
October 26th, 2010, 11:49 PM
Said spoiler just proves my point. It's not like Rush is doing it just because he's a main character.

Teddybrown
October 28th, 2010, 04:56 PM
Rush is going to be mad, he thinks the only woman he can really trust is dead
Wouldnt you go after the person that killed your only trusted friend
Rage, along with not much sleep can do alot to people and thats probably what will happen to Rush, hes mad, sleep deprived and he will probably want revenge.
And + , we have already seen him running around an alien ship with a pipe and some other examples of him being able to fend for himself, I cant remember the others of the top of my head, so it is kind of in his character.

Kaiphantom
October 28th, 2010, 05:11 PM
Yeah, Rush is doing it for pure vengeance, and I can see him do it. Perry is, in a lot of respects, Rush's only link to humanity at current. He's going to be a very difficult man to deal with after, and will be a real test for the crew.

And I wouldn't count Rush down with regards to killing Simeon; it depends on how much he keeps his wits about him, but Rush could very likely out-think Simeon. If he delves in on pure emotion, however, he'll have issues.

I'm more interested in seeing how the Eli/Ginn thing plays out. If she dies, seemingly so shortly after starting a thing with Eli, it's going to affect the boy greatly. I want to see how he grows from that; will he turn darker like a lot of the crew? Will he whinge about it, before going into a depression? Is Ginn(or Perry) actually dead? Even if Ginn is dead, if the stone connection was severed previously, Perry could still be alive. Ginn may appear to be dead, but could just be knocked out.

kudra
October 30th, 2010, 12:15 PM
Yeah, Rush is doing it for pure vengeance, and I can see him do it. Perry is, in a lot of respects, Rush's only link to humanity at current. He's going to be a very difficult man to deal with after, and will be a real test for the crew.

And I wouldn't count Rush down with regards to killing Simeon; it depends on how much he keeps his wits about him, but Rush could very likely out-think Simeon. If he delves in on pure emotion, however, he'll have issues.


Totally agree with you - this is very much something Rush would do. Perry represents his strongest emotional connection to a living person - he'll definitely be out for blood and not be acting rationally at first.

In S1 we saw he has a temper and he didn't back down when confrontations with Greer (Air) and Young (Justice) got physical and they were trained & armed military officers and as Teddybrown mentioned above he went on the attack while hallucinating in Pain. Of course in each previous case as an untrained civillian he was overpowered but hopefully as you say he'll be in a position to out wit Simeon once he calms down.

I'd actually rather favour Rush just sneaking up and shooting Simeon in the back - it would be the smart & pragmatic thing to do as a scientist versus a warrior - but probably not dramatic enough for TV.

I really can't wait to see this episode & the fall out for Rush if Perry is dead - not to mention the impact on him of having murdered someone.

timebandit
October 30th, 2010, 01:43 PM
actually from looking at alliances spoilers, if im right perry lives to that point, and given simeon's attitude to women has been established by what he whispered to park, come on, obvious innuendo - the stage I fear may be set for what he does, which is rape dr perry, just b/c that seems to be in his character. how he accomplishes this [being unguarded etc], and whether or not he does it to get her to give him info on destiny she may know, b/c he said in pathogen hell play the game but wont betray the alliance. I dont think he'd kill her. he knows shes too important for that. that is - if he even knows who she is. he might also actually have intended to do it to jinn to intimidate her to not give up LA plans, but destiny goes to ftl and hes raping perry but doesnt know it at first but does it anyway cuz hes that sick

killing her would piss rush off but that - might piss him off more

Jper
October 30th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Totally agree with you - this is very much something Rush would do. Perry represents his strongest emotional connection to a living person - he'll definitely be out for blood and not be acting rationally at first.

Actually his strongest emotional connection with a living person is probably with Young. Rush hates his gusts. Rush is afraid/scared of Young. Rush is jealous of Young. etc. All these emotions combined make for a very strong emotional connection. Much more powerful than love.

timebandit
October 30th, 2010, 03:27 PM
malice roughly means to carry out an act with malicious or ill intentions. killing someone might do that simply, yes. but maybe its nastier than just killing her. which of course in itself is nasty enough. and, simeon may do so knowingly meaning he knows about who she is from counterintel info offered by past brainwashed telford. do we know yet what his job in LA was [as in what are his skills]?

whatever the case of what happens to his trusted friend/romantic interest, rush will have his vengeance in this ep. least it looks that way.

but, perhaps rush doesnt just hunt down simeon, maybe he even tortures him? double meaning right? he does after all recall when he was tortured by the LA? we saw the flashbacks he had in pathogen - hmm

Kaiphantom
October 30th, 2010, 03:52 PM
Actually his strongest emotional connection with a living person is probably with Young. Rush hates his gusts. Rush is afraid/scared of Young. Rush is jealous of Young. etc. All these emotions combined make for a very strong emotional connection. Much more powerful than love.

It's not quite that simple. Rush is a coldly logical person, so he doesn't hate Young particularly; he just feels that Young isn't the right man for the job. If Young steps up and proves he is, then Rush would reevaluate that and trust Young more. I think you're going to see that happen in The Greater Good. It'll be a good growing point for both of them.

kudra
October 30th, 2010, 04:13 PM
Actually his strongest emotional connection with a living person is probably with Young. Rush hates his gusts. Rush is afraid/scared of Young. Rush is jealous of Young. etc. All these emotions combined make for a very strong emotional connection. Much more powerful than love.

Interesting point and I'd agree Rush dislikes Young at the moment, certainly he looks down on him, sees him as incompetent and a hindrance to his own plans/Destinys mission and he's wary of pushing him too far - with good reason given what happened last time he provoked Young. I'm not sure I see jealousy though, I don't think Rush thinks enough of Young to be jealous of him.

Personally I still think he'd be more likely to react in an emotional way over Perry than when dealing with Young. Perry is someone he seems to cares a great deal for - she's certainly the only 'real' person he seems able to open up with emotionally.

Ultimately I can't see Rush endangering his own life just to get at Young but if spoilers are true he does just that to avenge Perry - hence I'd say she's more emotionally connected/important to him. Of course I may change my mind if they have some more all out brawls like in Justice :D

AndSoItBegins
October 30th, 2010, 09:09 PM
And I wouldn't count Rush down with regards to killing Simeon; it depends on how much he keeps his wits about him, but Rush could very likely out-think Simeon. If he delves in on pure emotion, however, he'll have issues.



And if the writers wanted to I'm sure Greer, if it came down to it, could calmly make an educated guess regarding which switch to pull in order to save Destiny from a countdown to an explosion. But these writers wouldn't do that. They would leave all decisions regarding saving the ship in such situations to Rush and Eli. So why don't they leave the soldiering to the soldiers? This isn't just a question of what is more realistic (relatively speaking for a science fiction show of course); its about writers playing favorites and giving some characters a whole lot more material to work with. Hope I'm wrong but I detect Rush will be presented as the best tracker and best marksman on the Destiny as well. A true Renaissance man to be sure. :(

Jper
October 31st, 2010, 01:02 AM
It's not quite that simple. Rush is a coldly logical person, so he doesn't hate Young particularly; he just feels that Young isn't the right man for the job. If Young steps up and proves he is, then Rush would reevaluate that and trust Young more. I think you're going to see that happen in The Greater Good. It'll be a good growing point for both of them.

I don't believe that. There's too much in between them, too much has happened to just be only logic. And Rush is not so coldly logical as he'd wanted to be. There have been times like in Air with Chloe or like in Justice with Young.


Interesting point and I'd agree Rush dislikes Young at the moment, certainly he looks down on him, sees him as incompetent and a hindrance to his own plans/Destinys mission and he's wary of pushing him too far - with good reason given what happened last time he provoked Young. I'm not sure I see jealousy though, I don't think Rush thinks enough of Young to be jealous of him.

He's jealous of the power Young has, I think.


Personally I still think he'd be more likely to react in an emotional way over Perry than when dealing with Young. Perry is someone he seems to cares a great deal for - she's certainly the only 'real' person he seems able to open up with emotionally.

Ultimately I can't see Rush endangering his own life just to get at Young but if spoilers are true he does just that to avenge Perry - hence I'd say she's more emotionally connected/important to him. Of course I may change my mind if they have some more all out brawls like in Justice :D

Rush already endangered his own life to get back at Young in Justice. He did so again in Divided.

Kaiphantom
October 31st, 2010, 09:35 AM
And if the writers wanted to I'm sure Greer, if it came down to it, could calmly make an educated guess regarding which switch to pull in order to save Destiny from a countdown to an explosion. But these writers wouldn't do that. They would leave all decisions regarding saving the ship in such situations to Rush and Eli. So why don't they leave the soldiering to the soldiers? This isn't just a question of what is more realistic (relatively speaking for a science fiction show of course); its about writers playing favorites and giving some characters a whole lot more material to work with. Hope I'm wrong but I detect Rush will be presented as the best tracker and best marksman on the Destiny as well. A true Renaissance man to be sure. :(

Seriously? Greer wouldn't have a clue which lever to pull to save Destiny from blowing up. But that is hardly comparable to two men who will find themselves in a situation like Rush and Simeon will. We all have basic fighting instincts, but we don't all have advanced technological instincts. Hell, a lot of people are computer dumb enough that we have botnets and spam aplenty. If people were just a bit smarter with their machines, they'd never be compromised for a botnet, nor would we have spam.

You need to read the spoilers again. Rush charges after Simeon, not because it's the right thing to do (and indeed, probably isn't), nor because it's the logical thing to do (it's not), but simply because he's angry. Very angry. In one respect, you're right that this is something that should be left to the soldiers (hunting Simeon down), but that's the whole point of this episode: Rush doing something stupid because he's emotionally upset.

The question was mainly: Does Rush have a chance against Simeon? Depends on if Simeon knows he's being hunted, and if Rush can keep some control of his wits. Those who are more intellectual in nature, have a tendency to be able to rapidly and logically evaluate different courses of action, and they have a larger knowledge base to draw from. Knowledge of physics and calculating them, for instance, which comes in handy more often than you might think.


I don't believe that. There's too much in between them, too much has happened to just be only logic. And Rush is not so coldly logical as he'd wanted to be. There have been times like in Air with Chloe or like in Justice with Young.

He's jealous of the power Young has, I think.

You don't really know a logical person, then. I don't blame you, as it's hard for those more normal and emotional to understand how a logical scientist works. They have feelings like everyone else, but they are more in control of them. Think Vulcans; mostly immune to the sways of emotion, but not totally. You're right that Rush isn't as in control as he wants to be, but he's far more in control than most.

I standby by the statement: If Young were to improve into a better leader, one capable of making the hard decisions, then Rush would be more respecting of him.

And no, he's not jealous of Young's power. That would imply he wants it, and as Justice shows, he doesn't want it. He just wants to lead his science team the way he wants. Right now, Young pretty much controls the science team, so Rush has the attitude of "Screw it. If you want them, then they are yours. I'll work on my own."


Rush already endangered his own life to get back at Young in Justice. He did so again in Divided.

It wasn't to get back at him; it was to remove him from leadership. Rush doesn't want Young dead; he just wants Young to stop interfering with his work (that's pretty damn important to a scientist). I would argue Rush didn't endanger his own life in Justice, because he didn't think Young would strand him on a planet. But by Divided, he knows Young is capable of that, so yes, he's more willing to work with Wray who agrees that Young is out of control and needs to step down.

A very logical evaluation, by both of them.

Jper
October 31st, 2010, 10:16 AM
You don't really know a logical person, then. I don't blame you, as it's hard for those more normal and emotional to understand how a logical scientist works. They have feelings like everyone else, but they are more in control of them. Think Vulcans; mostly immune to the sways of emotion, but not totally. You're right that Rush isn't as in control as he wants to be, but he's far more in control than most.

I standby by the statement: If Young were to improve into a better leader, one capable of making the hard decisions, then Rush would be more respecting of him.

And no, he's not jealous of Young's power. That would imply he wants it, and as Justice shows, he doesn't want it. He just wants to lead his science team the way he wants. Right now, Young pretty much controls the science team, so Rush has the attitude of "Screw it. If you want them, then they are yours. I'll work on my own."



It wasn't to get back at him; it was to remove him from leadership. Rush doesn't want Young dead; he just wants Young to stop interfering with his work (that's pretty damn important to a scientist). I would argue Rush didn't endanger his own life in Justice, because he didn't think Young would strand him on a planet. But by Divided, he knows Young is capable of that, so yes, he's more willing to work with Wray who agrees that Young is out of control and needs to step down.

A very logical evaluation, by both of them.

You don't know me. Making this about me is useless.

AndSoItBegins
October 31st, 2010, 11:19 AM
Seriously? Greer wouldn't have a clue which lever to pull to save Destiny from blowing up. But that is hardly comparable to two men who will find themselves in a situation like Rush and Simeon will. We all have basic fighting instincts, but we don't all have advanced technological instincts. Hell, a lot of people are computer dumb enough that we have botnets and spam aplenty. If people were just a bit smarter with their machines, they'd never be compromised for a botnet, nor would we have spam.

You need to read the spoilers again. Rush charges after Simeon, not because it's the right thing to do (and indeed, probably isn't), nor because it's the logical thing to do (it's not), but simply because he's angry. Very angry. In one respect, you're right that this is something that should be left to the soldiers (hunting Simeon down), but that's the whole point of this episode: Rush doing something stupid because he's emotionally upset.

The question was mainly: Does Rush have a chance against Simeon? Depends on if Simeon knows he's being hunted, and if Rush can keep some control of his wits. Those who are more intellectual in nature, have a tendency to be able to rapidly and logically evaluate different courses of action, and they have a larger knowledge base to draw from. Knowledge of physics and calculating them, for instance, which comes in handy more often than you might think.





sorry but if the options were limited in terms of choices Greer has AT LEAST just as much of a chance at guessing which is the right switch to pull as Rush does in effectively tracking down and taking on a trained dangerous killer who is armed. All that stuff about basic fighting instincts is nice and all but I’m going to assume that Simeon is about close to a marine in terms of technique. If so I don’t care if you’re the smartest man in the world, there’s a 99% chance you’re going to end up a dead man if you go after a guy like Simeon. Especially in the open dessert and especially if you don’t have any legit military/fighting training of your own. People like yourself may think what Rush is trying to do is more feasible than my example of Greer picking the right switch, but that’s probably because years of TV and movies have made you feel that way. All those shows and films in which the average man/average woman (by average I mean in terms of strength, conditioning, fighting skills) are shown to take on the more physically imposing foe and walk away victorious. That’s fairyland stuff. Not saying it has never happened in the history of mankind but then again my Greer scenario has surely happened plenty of times too over the centuries. The point is that what Rush is trying to do just seems too unrealistic.

As for your point about Rush being angry I get that. But you don’t seem to understand my point: it’s the writers playing favorites. Who cares if Rush is angry? Based upon what we know I’m sure Eli is angry too. A lot of people are probably angry. But only Rush is “allowed” to take out that anger. Instead of being kept on the sidelines along with other characters who would be out of their element chasing Simeon, the writers just had to place Rush smack in the middle of the action/plot. Again. The writers could have written the story in so many ways that it could have been Volker or Wray or Young or TJ or Park who were looking for revenge. But they chose Rush. They didn’t have to do that; if they are any good they could make the story just as powerful with an angered Rush having to wait it out with the rest of the crew to see if Greer and Scott could get Simeon. But TPTB instead chose to throw him in the mix and make another episode all about him. For SGU its par for the course.

kudra
October 31st, 2010, 01:28 PM
Rush already endangered his own life to get back at Young in Justice. He did so again in Divided.

I don't deny Young can make him angry but it's not been to the point of being reckless. In Justice he didn't know how crazy/dangerous Young was or how far he'd go and in Divided he took a calculated risk to achieve an objective - the removal of Young - a man he thought was an ongoing danger to himself and his agenda. He also had a well thought out plan, it wasn't shown as an emotional decision.

In Malice he charges off alone after an incredibly dangerous murderer - it wont bring Perry back so he has nothing material to gain from going up against Simeon - it's a totally emotional decision and may be the first really illogical one we've seen him make?

kudra
October 31st, 2010, 01:54 PM
As for your point about Rush being angry I get that. But you don’t seem to understand my point: it’s the writers playing favorites. Who cares if Rush is angry? Based upon what we know I’m sure Eli is angry too. A lot of people are probably angry. But only Rush is “allowed” to take out that anger. Instead of being kept on the sidelines along with other characters who would be out of their element chasing Simeon, the writers just had to place Rush smack in the middle of the action/plot. Again. The writers could have written the story in so many ways that it could have been Volker or Wray or Young or TJ or Park who were looking for revenge. But they chose Rush. They didn’t have to do that; if they are any good they could make the story just as powerful with an angered Rush having to wait it out with the rest of the crew to see if Greer and Scott could get Simeon. But TPTB instead chose to throw him in the mix and make another episode all about him. For SGU its par for the course.

Well Rush is a lead character - writers typically give them more screen time & invest more in their character arcs than the supporting cast - I suppose you could say that's playing favourites but that's how pretty much all TV dramas work.

I think it is believable for reasons I've given above that Rush will go after Simeon in a rage - grief can make people crazy. I also think this story is well suited to Rush for the very reason that the writers are showing him acting emotionally - we and the others on the ship will get to see a different Rush to his usual pragmatic self.

That said if they show Rush outfighting Simeon I'll be very disappointed as you are quite right that just wont ring true. But what makes you think they'd show him as some kind of super soldier when in previous instances where he squared off against military types he always lost? Greer pushed him around in Air, Young kicked his behind in Justice and in Subversion and Pain he was easily captured / overpowered.

Jper
October 31st, 2010, 03:28 PM
I don't deny Young can make him angry but it's not been to the point of being reckless. In Justice he didn't know how crazy/dangerous Young was or how far he'd go and in Divided he took a calculated risk to achieve an objective - the removal of Young - a man he thought was an ongoing danger to himself and his agenda. He also had a well thought out plan, it wasn't shown as an emotional decision.

In Malice he charges off alone after an incredibly dangerous murderer - it wont bring Perry back so he has nothing material to gain from going up against Simeon - it's a totally emotional decision and may be the first really illogical one we've seen him make?

I disagree, when on the planet with the crashed alien ship, Rush only further aggravated the situation and forced the issue by antagonizing Young and his famous "We"ll never be done" sentence. I don't see any logic in that.

And let's not get ahead of ourselves, we haven't seen the entire episode yet, nor have we seen the moment where Rush acts out on Young discovering his "bridge"-secret. :)

AndSoItBegins
October 31st, 2010, 05:31 PM
Well Rush is a lead character - writers typically give them more screen time & invest more in their character arcs than the supporting cast - I suppose you could say that's playing favourites but that's how pretty much all TV dramas work.

So was Picard and he didn't dominate storylines of TNG that much. I'll ask have you ever known any Stargate character which got such favoritism in terms of central plots centering around them? I can't. I'm not talking about toe lead being given the most scenes as the crew fights the foe-of-the-week type of stuff that we got in the previous two Stargate shows; I'm talking about key plot points and arcs being focused on one particular character. SGU, from what I could recall, was promoted as being an ensemble and yet its Rush all the time.


I think it is believable for reasons I've given above that Rush will go after Simeon in a rage - grief can make people crazy. I also think this story is well suited to Rush for the very reason that the writers are showing him acting emotionally - we and the others on the ship will get to see a different Rush to his usual pragmatic self.

Is it believable that Rush would want to go after Simeon? Yes. Is it believable to me that he could be successful in taking out Simeon? No, not to me. But that's not my main argument. You make my argument by pointing out its about the writers wanting to put the character in a certain emotional situation. But they could have dealt with his emotions without having him go on a manhunt. We wouldn't be accepting that if Brody, Volker, wray or Park was doing this instead of Rush. But its supposed to be acceptable because our "lead" Rush is going after the guy? Nonsense. I'd rather have Rush knocked out by Young before he could even get through the gate. Again I have to go back to that dreaded comparison to soaps: on soaps the leads take out the criminals even if they aren't law enforcement officers. Why? Because it makes sense? No just the opposite. The writers set it up that way because they want the leads to get all the cool stuff to do. So that means the doctor takes on an armed bandit rather than the police doing so.


That said if they show Rush outfighting Simeon I'll be very disappointed as you are quite right that just wont ring true. But what makes you think they'd show him as some kind of super soldier when in previous instances where he squared off against military types he always lost? Greer pushed him around in Air, Young kicked his behind in Justice and in Subversion and Pain he was easily captured / overpowered.

And I loved how realistic those moments were. But some of the clips I’ve seen in trailers give me a bad feeling. Nonetheless I the end I’m not worried as much about how Rush fares as I am about the writers coming up with this manhunt plot for him in the first place.

Kaiphantom
October 31st, 2010, 08:16 PM
You don't know me. Making this about me is useless.

I'm sorry, but I said nothing about you? I only spoke to what a logical person is, and logic can't be argued much.


So was Picard and he didn't dominate storylines of TNG that much. I'll ask have you ever known any Stargate character which got such favoritism in terms of central plots centering around them? I can't. I'm not talking about toe lead being given the most scenes as the crew fights the foe-of-the-week type of stuff that we got in the previous two Stargate shows; I'm talking about key plot points and arcs being focused on one particular character. SGU, from what I could recall, was promoted as being an ensemble and yet its Rush all the time.

Yeah, um, you're basically asking them to do SG-1 without RDA. In season 2. Sure, they toned down his involvement much later, but he was pretty much a main character and involved in nearly every episode. But we do have episodes like Time, Water, Pain, and Cloverdale which don't focus on Rush. Not sure you really understand what you're asking for.


We wouldn't be accepting that if Brody, Volker, wray or Park was doing this instead of Rush. But its supposed to be acceptable because our "lead" Rush is going after the guy? Nonsense. I'd rather have Rush knocked out by Young before he could even get through the gate. Again I have to go back to that dreaded comparison to soaps: on soaps the leads take out the criminals even if they aren't law enforcement officers. Why? Because it makes sense? No just the opposite. The writers set it up that way because they want the leads to get all the cool stuff to do. So that means the doctor takes on an armed bandit rather than the police doing so.

So you prefer Rush going, "Oh, they killed this person I was quite fond of. I think I'll go have some tea to calm my nerves while the solders do their thing" ?

Rush is pretty much the master of the ship. If he wants to get off it, he can. It's all a matter of locking some doors off.

Rylor
November 1st, 2010, 07:00 AM
Newest episode description for Malice 2x08 *spoiler heavy*

Lucian Alliance prisoner Simeon escapes, creating a manhunt on a remote planet.

Ginn, using the stones to trade bodies with Dr. Amanda Perry, continues to fill in Homeworld Command of an impending Lucian Alliance attack. Suspecting she's giving up valuable information Simeon manufactures an escape by killing his guard then making his way to silence Ginn.

Taking Park hostage, Simeon forces Volker to dial a planet and escapes off the ship. When Rush finds Ginn's lifeless body, knowing what it means for Dr. Perry, he gates to the planet on a mission of vengeance. But Homeworld Command, believing Simeon has information that could prevent an attack on Earth orders he be captured alive. Col. Young must send Lt. Scott and Msgt. Greer to bring Simeon back before he kills Rush or is killed himself.

Wow, that sounds... intense. I am very interested to see how it all turns out in the end :)

SGeff
November 2nd, 2010, 01:14 AM
sorry but if the options were limited in terms of choices Greer has AT LEAST just as much of a chance at guessing which is the right switch to pull as Rush does in effectively tracking down and taking on a trained dangerous killer who is armed. All that stuff about basic fighting instincts is nice and all but I’m going to assume that Simeon is about close to a marine in terms of technique. If so I don’t care if you’re the smartest man in the world, there’s a 99% chance you’re going to end up a dead man if you go after a guy like Simeon. Especially in the open dessert and especially if you don’t have any legit military/fighting training of your own. People like yourself may think what Rush is trying to do is more feasible than my example of Greer picking the right switch, but that’s probably because years of TV and movies have made you feel that way. All those shows and films in which the average man/average woman (by average I mean in terms of strength, conditioning, fighting skills) are shown to take on the more physically imposing foe and walk away victorious. That’s fairyland stuff. Not saying it has never happened in the history of mankind but then again my Greer scenario has surely happened plenty of times too over the centuries. The point is that what Rush is trying to do just seems too unrealistic.

As for your point about Rush being angry I get that. But you don’t seem to understand my point: it’s the writers playing favorites. Who cares if Rush is angry? Based upon what we know I’m sure Eli is angry too. A lot of people are probably angry. But only Rush is “allowed” to take out that anger. Instead of being kept on the sidelines along with other characters who would be out of their element chasing Simeon, the writers just had to place Rush smack in the middle of the action/plot. Again. The writers could have written the story in so many ways that it could have been Volker or Wray or Young or TJ or Park who were looking for revenge. But they chose Rush. They didn’t have to do that; if they are any good they could make the story just as powerful with an angered Rush having to wait it out with the rest of the crew to see if Greer and Scott could get Simeon. But TPTB instead chose to throw him in the mix and make another episode all about him. For SGU its par for the course.

First do you forget Rush got a gun? He doesn't need to get physical, he simply just needs to shoot Simeon in the back, there are many easy ways to shoot him. And you said yourself it is an open desert, don't need any tracking experience, just follow the foot step. Besides Young is running a bootcamp on Destiny(Life), Rush probably get some serious training. He definitely has some shooting skills, in "Time" Greer even taught Eli how to shoot a machine gun. All of those things are reasonable.

Second they didn't play Rush that heavily. "Intevention" spend a lot of time focus on TJ. "Aftermath" is about the crew crashing on that planet. "Awakening" is focused on Telford. "Pathegon" shows Eli and Wray visit earth. "Cloverdale" is Scott's dream. "Trail and Error" probably about Young. What makes you think they only focus on Rush? Yes Rush figured Destiny's secret but that's understandable, they only show a few minutes in some episodes, so is Young's mentally cracking and Chloe's turning alien.

Third why is Rush only "allowed" to go? That's because Rush cares about Perry, you do know that, right? He probably just wants to hang out with her, so there's a pretty good chance that he finds the body first. So he goes first before Young knows it.

The Swarm
November 3rd, 2010, 10:46 AM
Wow, that sounds... intense. I am very interested to see how it all turns out in the end :)

I wet myself when i read that!!!!
However i feel sorry that two of my favorite characters once again get killed off the show.

Daniela
November 9th, 2010, 07:05 PM
OMG I'm so angry at that Lucien person killing Ginn/Rush's girl. I knew they should have gotten rid of him when they had the chance!

Pharaoh Atem
November 9th, 2010, 07:07 PM
:( from the trailer this is going to be a sad/sateda ep.

can't freekin wait.

mikeroq
November 9th, 2010, 07:08 PM
Now Eli and Rush must team up to kill ahole Lucian alliance guy! I just knew from the actor that this character would be up to no good.

morbosfist
November 9th, 2010, 07:12 PM
Knepper is a great "bad guy" type character. Oooo, this will be good. Rush is going to go all kinds of nuts to get revenge.

cubixrube
November 9th, 2010, 07:15 PM
UGH!!!

That is such a T-Bag thing for Simeon to do! They always give him the violent, cold-blooded killer bad guy role!

Greer should have killed him right there and then after the Park incident. Seriously.

BRiDGELiFE
November 9th, 2010, 07:24 PM
Title: "Who Kills Simeon After he Kills Ginn/Perry??"

Whos Gonna Kill Simeon, Next Episode (or soon enough)??

My Vote is Greer All The Way!!

Pharaoh Atem
November 9th, 2010, 07:27 PM
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?73402-quot-Malice-quot-%28208%29-Pre-Airing-Discussion-Speculation-Thread-*Spoilers*&highlight=Malice

Skydiver
November 9th, 2010, 07:27 PM
It kinda defeats the purpose of spoiler tags if you have to open them to have ANY idea at all what the thread is about.

You might want to at least tell people which episode you're spoiling.

Pharaoh Atem
November 9th, 2010, 07:29 PM
Malice

Zatnikitelman
November 9th, 2010, 07:49 PM
Not sure how much of this is spoilery, so I'll be safe:
I actually wish it would be Eli that takes down that no good scum sucking bottom feeding snake in the grass {plus other words}. Poor guy, he finally finds a girl interested in him the same way, and the last image of her living, is someone else's consciousness kissing Rush through her body :( :( :(

Pharaoh Atem
November 9th, 2010, 07:50 PM
Not sure how much of this is spoilery, so I'll be safe:
I actually wish it would be Eli that takes down that no good scum sucking bottom feeding snake in the grass {plus other words}. Poor guy, he finally finds a girl interested in him the same way, and the last image of her living, is someone else's consciousness kissing Rush through her body :( :( :(
it makes sense that rush do it. his loss is greater

LeonK
November 9th, 2010, 10:03 PM
I usually don't look at the advanced synopsis of episodes.

But after seeing tonight's episode, 207, I figured I knew what was coming and so I read it for 208.

Won't get into details cause of the spoiler thing, but I must say I really dislike the rather obvious event that is going to occur(and which is confirmed in the synopsis).

Finally get some character interaction/story I like....so much for that.

KEK
November 10th, 2010, 12:54 AM
Malice Sneak Peek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRhgCUdiAZg) (Youtube)

frostwolf
November 10th, 2010, 04:45 AM
Malice Sneak Peek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRhgCUdiAZg) (Youtube)

I'm very disapointed that this is happened. I really enjoyed the character and was looking forward to her becoming more a part of the crew and the relationship with Eli developing further. Guess the whole point of the character in the show was so they could screw up Eli more.

The Swarm
November 10th, 2010, 04:46 AM
Poor Eli...and poor Rush, he lost the only real friend he had.
I hope Simeon gets it big time!

garhkal
November 10th, 2010, 05:30 AM
I wonder who will get to /pull the plug/ on him..

FoX-1028
November 10th, 2010, 11:09 AM
http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/Fox1028/malice.jpg

Malice Sneak Peek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ0R6geCJI4

Malice Promo: Soon

morbosfist
November 10th, 2010, 12:12 PM
Geez, Simeon just got a whole lot worse from the promo pics.

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/2514/index.html

Strapping a bomb to Park's back? Not cool, man, not cool.

The Swarm
November 10th, 2010, 12:27 PM
I hope he dies sloooowly and as painfuly as possible.

g.o.d
November 10th, 2010, 12:30 PM
so finally after 15 seasons we'll getting a bad guy who isn't an idiot. I hope so

KEK
November 10th, 2010, 02:39 PM
Malice Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK56BbDnvzI)

therealdb
November 10th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Well.... first post in a looooong time, so hey there guys!

I know its extremely unlikely, but I really hope that she's just been drugged by the alien venom or something. TPTB always seem to kill off obvious characters. From the moment Ginn (spelling?) and Eli hooked up, I knew it wouldn't last. If it wasn't betraying the crew (and him) it was going to be death. They do this to be "unexpected" but in reality the unexpected has been done so many times its now expected.

Heres to hoping for the unlikely though!



On a side note... if the topics labelled as *spoilers*, why are the tags being used? If you go into a thread with *spoilers* in the title, it's pretty likely theres going to be spoilers!

FoX-1028
November 10th, 2010, 04:37 PM
http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/Fox1028/malice.jpg

Malice Sneak Peek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ0R6geCJI4



Malice Promo:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASjmUWEWu3E

prop3ller
November 10th, 2010, 05:14 PM
Im seriously hopeing that shes not "done". That would be so lame. I think there is some kind of twist to this story. Raped and unconsius or smt, or they could revive her or smt.

This is bad. But the last episode was the best in the series! I am beginning to enjoy this more and more, even more than the original SG1 and SGA. Because of the darkness and mystery! :D

PG15
November 10th, 2010, 05:24 PM
Regarding Ginn...

In a recent Brad Wright video interview - can't find the link so don't even ask - he said that, despite what happens to her, Ginn does recur.

Don't lose hope just yet...

prop3ller
November 10th, 2010, 05:38 PM
fingers crossed! :D

Cant wait for tuesday....next episode tomorrow please!

xxxevilgrinxxx
November 11th, 2010, 10:05 AM
"I let you live, the next time I won't."

Next time? that sounds scary :)

wurlitzer153
November 11th, 2010, 10:32 AM
Regarding Ginn...

In a recent Brad Wright video interview - can't find the link so don't even ask - he said that, despite what happens to her, Ginn does recur.

Don't lose hope just yet...
And in Joe's blog last night:
Kassian writes: “Please, please can you tell me something regarding her story arc, because I love Julies charakter Ginn and it´s just heartbreaking what happened to her.”

Answer: What happened to her? If you think you know, think again because this is science fiction, after all. Anything can happen. And will.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/11/10/november-10-2010-what-hath-wrought-such-destruction-take-the-dog-bark-challenge-mailbag/

So I think there will be some surprises...

Kassian
November 11th, 2010, 11:16 AM
Regarding Ginn...

In a recent Brad Wright video interview - can't find the link so don't even ask - he said that, despite what happens to her, Ginn does recur.

Don't lose hope just yet...

The link to the interview and some comments regarding Ginn and the upcoming episodes:

http://tvdeathray.com/2010/09/27/interview-stargate-universe-co-creator-brad-wright-previews-season-2/

Brad Wright said:

"They have recurring arcs — Mike all through the season and Julie too, surprisingly. I say surprisingly because there are events that will make it seem unlikely, but she recurs (laughs). And Robert Knepper too, certainly for the first seven episodes of the season, has a strong arc. And he’s a scary guy! His character is pretty cool and pretty dark, and maybe darker than any human villain we’ve ever done in the Stargate world."

My personal opinion:

Yeah, I hope they bring her back sometimes perhaps from timetravel or something (Rush travels back in time in one episode, but I doubt that this is the way she will come back, cause Julie had only this five episodes in this season.

I also hope they don´t make her a replicator or get her trapped inside Perry´s Body or something in this way.

Stalekon
November 12th, 2010, 02:40 AM
The link to the interview and some comments regarding Ginn and the upcoming episodes:

http://tvdeathray.com/2010/09/27/interview-stargate-universe-co-creator-brad-wright-previews-season-2/

Brad Wright said:

"They have recurring arcs — Mike all through the season and Julie too, surprisingly. I say surprisingly because there are events that will make it seem unlikely, but she recurs (laughs). And Robert Knepper too, certainly for the first seven episodes of the season, has a strong arc. And he’s a scary guy! His character is pretty cool and pretty dark, and maybe darker than any human villain we’ve ever done in the Stargate world."

My personal opinion:

Yeah, I hope they bring her back sometimes perhaps from timetravel or something (Rush travels back in time in one episode, but I doubt that this is the way she will come back, cause Julie had only this five episodes in this season.

I also hope they don´t make her a replicator or get her trapped inside Perry´s Body or something in this way.



We still have some powerful Faith Planet aliens to show up... :D

mi_guard
November 12th, 2010, 05:53 AM
David Blue wrote on his twitter account:

Avoid teasers/trailers/sneaks for next week's #SGU episode ("Malice"). You're better off going in clean.

Well, that is too late for me now :)

Kassian
November 12th, 2010, 08:23 AM
By the way, I believe that Eli will be the one to kill Simeon, not Rush. Everybody thinks Rush will do it, because of the szene with the body on the ground an Rush and because we´re confinced that Rush is fully capable of killing someone. It is simply to obvious and therefore I´m sure that Eli will get the kill.

If really someone other than Eli will get Simeon than Greer, but I highly doubt that.

Ed
November 12th, 2010, 10:28 AM
i can think of a scenario where eli takes down Simeon spoilers just in case

Rush goes out to hunt Simeon down scott and Greer are sent to take him alive.
Some big confrontation happens rush is barely thwarted scott and greer take them both through the gate

Back on destiny as they are taking him to a cell eli pulls a gun and kills simeon

Think BSG season 2 where cally shoots boomer that sort of thing

reddevil18
November 13th, 2010, 09:32 AM
i can think of a scenario where eli takes down Simeon spoilers just in case

Rush goes out to hunt Simeon down scott and Greer are sent to take him alive.
Some big confrontation happens rush is barely thwarted scott and greer take them both through the gate

Back on destiny as they are taking him to a cell eli pulls a gun and kills simeon

Think BSG season 2 where cally shoots boomer that sort of thing


Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby?

jgekko
November 13th, 2010, 07:12 PM
At the end on "The Greater Good" it appeared to me that Ginn/Perry's eyes were open when Rush found her, meaning dead not passed out. I hope I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be a freakish twist that Greer and Scott make it back with Simeon alive just to have Eli twist off and kill him for killing Ginn...

GateroomGuard
November 13th, 2010, 10:09 PM
Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby?

But wouldn't that scenario mean that Eli was in on it and actually killed Ginn and then used Simeon as the fall guy only to kill him so the truth would never be found out?

garhkal
November 13th, 2010, 10:28 PM
SO... do we have a poll coming with Number of people saying it will be greer/rush/eli etc to see who is the front runner?

AndSoItBegins
November 14th, 2010, 09:10 AM
SO... do we have a poll coming with Number of people saying it will be greer/rush/eli etc to see who is the front runner?

Lets throw in Volker and Brody too while we're at it. :) Seriously though its bad enough that Rush is positioned by the writers to be the guy who takes Simeon on, but the suggestions that Eli should be the one who takes out Simeon makes me nauseated. I don't think its within Eli to do such a thing.

reddevil18
November 14th, 2010, 12:14 PM
But wouldn't that scenario mean that Eli was in on it and actually killed Ginn and then used Simeon as the fall guy only to kill him so the truth would never be found out?Eli is shady.

major davis
November 14th, 2010, 12:20 PM
Just let me say guys.. I really think this is gonna be a great week for SGU. Malice is more of a casual viewer friendly episode.. so be sure to let all your friends know to check out SGU tuesday night.. if there was one episode to get them hooked on SGU in season 2, I think it would be malice. :)

myhelix
November 14th, 2010, 03:57 PM
Just let me say guys.. I really think this is gonna be a great week for SGU. Malice is more of a casual viewer friendly episode.. so be sure to let all your friends know to check out SGU tuesday night.. if there was one episode to get them hooked on SGU in season 2, I think it would be malice. :)

Every person who cares for SGU should promote the hell out of the next 3 episodes! I know OT, but true. Go to the SGU Awareness thread for infos. :)
Malice seems like a cool action packed ep.

Jper
November 14th, 2010, 04:52 PM
Every person who cares for SGU should promote the hell out of the next 3 episodes! I know OT, but true. Go to the SGU Awareness thread for infos. :)
Malice seems like a cool action packed ep.

That's just bull****. I can promote whatever I want out of SGU, it will never have any impact. The only significant result is more persons with a Nielsen's box turning on their TVs to watch SGU live. I can't change anything about that.

major davis
November 14th, 2010, 05:52 PM
That's just bull****. I can promote whatever I want out of SGU, it will never have any impact. The only significant result is more persons with a Nielsson's box turning on their TVs to watch SGU live. I can't change anything about that.

Ya.. but maybe they'll check out SGU on hulu, or netflix, or on demand, or on itunes, or on amazon, or on syfy rewind, or maybe they do have a nielsens meter.. or maybe they'll buy it on DVD.. Spreading the word at this point can only help. :)

Jper
November 15th, 2010, 03:59 AM
Maybe, maybe and maybe. ;) :) Those are all great, but I (= me = IMHO) don't believe that this will have any impact. The only significant short-term impact (the sort which this show needs now IMHO) will be more people with a Nielsen ratings box turning on their TV on Tuesday and watching SGU.

SupremeLegate
November 15th, 2010, 07:07 AM
Lets throw in Volker and Brody too while we're at it. :) Seriously though its bad enough that Rush is positioned by the writers to be the guy who takes Simeon on, but the suggestions that Eli should be the one who takes out Simeon makes me nauseated. I don't think its within Eli to do such a thing.

Thats why I think it will be him, it is so unexpected, in that when you look at how Eli is you don't think he can kill.

Here is how I think things will go down.

Rush finds Ginn, looking for Perry, and this is where we get that scene of Rush all pissed in the corridor. They realize that it was Simeon that did it, they go to find him. Simeon espcapes through the gate, Rush follows with the intent to kill him. Scott, Greer, and James are sent to follow and bring them both back alive. Eli ask for a gun and goes with them.

After a lot of cat and mouse Rush catches Simeon and is about to kill him, Scott and Greer stop him. Rush gives a little speach about why they should kill Simeon, Scott goes into why they should not. Eli, who everyone has pretty much forgoten about, shoots Simeon several times.


Since Brad Wright suggest



That Ginn will return in furture episodes, I am thinking she will be a manifistation of the ship to Eli, much like Rushes wife for Rush.


Well those are my predictions, will have to wait until tomarrow to see how right I am.

greenguywithlasereye
November 15th, 2010, 08:20 AM
someone - maybe greer, esp. after he finds the bomb on parks back - wounds simeon, rush kills w/the shot we see him fire in the season 2 promo

id love to see a rush/eli vs simeon tag team asskicking but that prob wont happen.

greenguywithlasereye
November 15th, 2010, 10:43 AM
i just remembered, maybe rush doesnt shoot anyone from the season 2 promo - maybe hes shooting that thing that was on parks back.

im curious to see what happens...

GATEGOD
November 15th, 2010, 10:31 PM
UGH!! This just sucks.

http://popculturezoo.com/wp-content/gallery/sgu208a/NUP_139335_0012.JPG

The Swarm
November 15th, 2010, 11:40 PM
Does anyone know what happens to Amanda Perry?
Does she make a comeback to...somehow?

KEK
November 15th, 2010, 11:49 PM
"This episode is not only possibly the best Stargate Universe episode, but is definitely one of the most dramatic and most gripping hours of the entire Stargate franchise."

http://popculturezoo.com/2010/11/malice-and-revenge-on-the-next-stargate-universe/

ussrelativity
November 16th, 2010, 05:31 AM
Does anyone know what happens to Amanda Perry?
Does she make a comeback to...somehow?

I do think she could still be alive. If the people on Earth could see that something was happening to her body on their end, their first instance should be to pull the connection, and save at least Perry on their end. There would have to be more direct monitoring of her since it was Perry's body that Ginn was using.

Although pulling the connection and the next thing being killed by Simeon is not a good thing.

lars
November 16th, 2010, 07:09 AM
"This episode is not only possibly the best Stargate Universe episode, but is definitely one of the most dramatic and most gripping hours of the entire Stargate franchise."

http://popculturezoo.com/2010/11/malice-and-revenge-on-the-next-stargate-universe/

Well.. It's getting a little old reading something like this on pretty much every episode. But hey, I believed it every single time and haven't been disappointed so far.
Go Malice! Can hardly wait to enjoy the awesomeness

Steelbox
November 16th, 2010, 07:32 AM
I do think she could still be alive. If the people on Earth could see that something was happening to her body on their end, their first instance should be to pull the connection, and save at least Perry on their end. There would have to be more direct monitoring of her since it was Perry's body that Ginn was using.

Although pulling the connection and the next thing being killed by Simeon is not a good thing.

Here is a thought. The replicated stone teach is not 100% compatible with the original stones in use. Memories are miss handled some times, so when someone dies there is a chance that he stays there forever.

Spimman
November 16th, 2010, 07:50 AM
It sure would be a shame to lose Ginn and Perry in one episode, I like them both as supporting characters.

xxxevilgrinxxx
November 16th, 2010, 09:34 AM
Never. Trust. Trailers.

Rylor
November 16th, 2010, 09:46 AM
Never. Trust. Trailers.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverTrustATrailer ;)

xxxevilgrinxxx
November 16th, 2010, 09:51 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverTrustATrailer ;)

:lol:

myhelix
November 16th, 2010, 10:18 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverTrustATrailer ;)

That was the final proof! :D

Lionheart325
November 16th, 2010, 10:35 AM
I'm sort of hoping we see a freaked out Eli going berserk. Yes we know of Rush going blood crazy but I dunno, what if we see Eli go down that path as well and this event paves the road to Eli going competely nuts.

Also I really didn't want her to die lol. I just hope now they don't bring her back as a ancient or some other crap. If they bring her back, let it be like Rush and his halucinations.. Thats if they actually were halucinations.