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Madwelshboy
March 5th, 2010, 01:49 AM
IT’S BOBBY’S WIFE! — Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) investigate Bobby’s home town where the dead are rising from the grave but instead of attacking humans, they are happily reuniting with their families. The brothers turn to Bobby (Jim Beaver) for help but he tells them not to worry about it and to leave town. Suspicious, Dean investigates and comes face to face with Bobby’s dead wife (guest star Carrie Anne Fleming) who has no memory of what happened to her. Once the zombies start turning evil, the boys tell Bobby he has to kill his wife but he refuses. John Showalter directed the episode written by Jeremy Carver.

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the fifth man
March 25th, 2010, 06:18 PM
Man was it great to have this show back tonight. Very nice episode, as usual for this show.:) I felt so bad in the end for Bobby. No one should ever have to kill the person they love, let alone twice.:( I wonder if he will be able to go on helping the boys?

starg8fans
March 26th, 2010, 12:17 AM
OMG, poor Bobby! Heartbreaking stuff, really had me tearing up. And Lucifer is now officially on my hate list for putting Bobby through this, and being so sneaky to go around and put pressure on the boys by demoralizing their friends. 'Team Free Will' is looking awfully tattered, between Dean who's 'dead inside', Sam who's still fighting his addiction, Cas who's lost most of his mojo, and now Bobby who was still the rock everybody could cling to, in spite of his physical cindition. Now he's all broken up after this emotional trauma.

Again, the show had it all, from humor to gore. Geez, they're really pulling out all the stops on the 'eek' factor this season, aren't they? When that kids turned around, with what looked like a bit of intestine dangling from his hand... http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Sigs%20Collages%20etc/smilies/CantLook.gif I also think whoever played the Sheriff did a really good job between tough law enforcer and heartbroken Mom. I think that was my favorite scene, when she called the 'FBI' and recognized Bobby's voice - priceless to see the boys squirm.

I was also glad that we didn't get to see Bobby's wife turn bad. She was just so sweet, I'm glad she convinced Bobby to end it before it got out of hand. As hard as it was for him.

iolanda
March 26th, 2010, 03:01 AM
Poor, poor bobby. So Death was just there to demoralize him and put him away from the boys? Evil SOB's :( Bobby wife really was a sweetheart and I am also happy that she did not turn, though Bobby had to kill her again.

The episode itself way typical SPN, so I have nothing to complain about. I didn't need another part of the man-eating persons, let alone by a child, but I guess that's it what you get when you watch a horror show.

The humour was great, I cracked up when the sheriff blew Sam and Deans disguise by knowing Bobby from his voice as well as when Dean said "Another horsemen? Great, must be Thursday." I also laughed at "Don't Bobby-me!"

I have really difficulties picturing Bobby as the town drunk. He might be that creepy guy out there who lives all alone in a junk yard, and he had quite some bottles in his house after Dean came back from hell, but he was never really drunk except in AAH, where every one was at least a bit drunk.

What I did not understand ( and I had some difficulties understanding what Bobby said in the end, so it might have been explained there): why did all the Zombies go to Bobbies house? Should they kill him? Because I guess there would have been easier ways to kill a guy in a wheelchair than unleash a good dozen of formerly dead people while Sam and Dean are in town.

starg8fans
March 26th, 2010, 05:24 AM
PWhat I did not understand ( and I had some difficulties understanding what Bobby said in the end, so it might have been explained there): why did all the Zombies go to Bobbies house? Should they kill him? Because I guess there would have been easier ways to kill a guy in a wheelchair than unleash a good dozen of formerly dead people while Sam and Dean are in town.

I didn't get the first part of the sentence either, but he said something about them wanting to either take his life or his spirit. I agree, it seems a bit of a lame excuse for raising the zombies, but after all it's Death we're talking about so his weapon of choice would be dead people. Which doesn't explain why they were kinda nice at first. But even though finding Bobby's mutilated corpse would have been a real blow to the boys, my guess is the Zombies just wanted to scare the living daylights out of Bobby. If he didn't deliver Death's message - and I reserve judgement on whether what he told Sam and Dean was the whole message, after all we didn't get to hear what Karen really told Bobby - the boys would have had not way of knowing that Bobby had died because he was on their side.

I sure hope there'll be some clarification of what really happened here in some later episode. I can't help myself but feel that this ep's tie in with the overall story arch is a bit contrived. It sounds more like an excuse to do a Zombie episode with the twist of them being 'normal' at first. And I'm not used to that kind of stuff from this show.

Heaven
March 26th, 2010, 06:17 AM
as much as I like zombies this was a bit boring

the plot was way too thin on this one

Salamas
March 26th, 2010, 07:35 AM
I liked the ep. It was great, I did miss the teaser though, but all made sense nonetheless. Poor boys being caught out on their FBI trick. :lol:
"You're a zombie!"
"I'm a taxpayer!" :lol:

As for sending the nice Zombies, heck I think that's the best weapon. Bobby's used to big bad things coming at him and the boys left and right. You want to scare him? You tear down his walls. And best way to do that is to give him time with his wife who had to kill. He already lives with the guilt of having to have killed her once, imagine having to do it again. That's going to destroy a man. And it's Lucifer and Death, they're not going to settle just for killing a guy... They want to have their fun too, so why not mess with his head?

I haven't had my tea yet, if I make no sense... Eh *shrug*

starg8fans
March 26th, 2010, 07:39 AM
As for sending the nice Zombies, heck I think that's the best weapon. Bobby's used to big bad things coming at him and the boys left and right. You want to scare him? You tear down his walls. And best way to do that is to give him time with his wife who had to kill. He already lives with the guilt of having to have killed her once, imagine having to do it again. That's going to destroy a man. And it's Lucifer and Death, they're not going to settle just for killing a guy... They want to have their fun too, so why not mess with his head?

I haven't had my tea yet, if I make no sense... Eh *shrug*

Actually, it makes perfect sense to me now. Confront them with what they least expect, and then hit them hard when their defenses are down. Sounds like a satanic and deathly plot to me.

LtColCarter
March 26th, 2010, 08:18 AM
I loved the episode! I felt really sorry for Bobby. He looked like he'd be raked over the coals a few times by the end of the episode. Death brought his wife back just to take the wind outta his sails.

LoneStar1836
March 26th, 2010, 08:44 AM
As for sending the nice Zombies, heck I think that's the best weapon. Bobby's used to big bad things coming at him and the boys left and right. You want to scare him? You tear down his walls. And best way to do that is to give him time with his wife who had to kill. He already lives with the guilt of having to have killed her once, imagine having to do it again. That's going to destroy a man. And it's Lucifer and Death, they're not going to settle just for killing a guy... They want to have their fun too, so why not mess with his head?

I haven't had my tea yet, if I make no sense... Eh *shrug*Makes perfect sense and I agree that that was the point of having them be nice. Screw with him psychologically in a sick, twisted way first. Whether he ended up dead or not, they essentially got what they wanted from him.

Course I also think the show just wanted to be gross with the eating of people and blowing the heads off zombies so the actual plot was a bit weak. Bobby means a lot to the brothers, but I don't quite get how his death would get Sam much further along to saying yes (other than making him angrier). I just see it as making him more determined than ever, at this point. Bobby is the last thing the brothers care about. You loose him, what's left to loose?...as far as trying to drive them over the edge by killing those they love. I suppose if you have nothing left to loose then what's the point of fighting on, but I don't see Sam giving up that easily to despair. Now Dean on the other hand.... To put a truly evil spin on it, I'd almost want to say the angels did this to eat away at Dean if Bobby had been killed. Does make me wonder what Bobby's wife actually said, and whether Bobby repeated everything she said.

Anyway I liked the ep. Wasn't one of the best, but I enjoyed it.

Salamas
March 26th, 2010, 10:17 AM
I realized something. In another season (two maybe?) Where the guy had brought back that girl as a zombie... They had to lure her into her grave and stake her down to get rid of her. And now a headshot worked? Different types of zombies or writers forgetting their own continuity?

Crichiel
March 26th, 2010, 10:34 AM
Hmm. Huh. Well...um....er.......huh. :confused: I don't know what to think about this episode. I have been trying to figure it out all morning. I just wasn't blown away by it(no pun intended). But for the life of me, I can't figure out why. There was nothing wrong with it that I could see.

If you break it down, it had:

-Good story for Bobby.
-Good, solid story overall.
-Good job connecting it to the season-long story arc, while not being too heavy with it.
-Good funny moments (my favourite being the whole conversation with the sheriff and the 'undead killer zombie' while they were being arrested).
-Good acting all-around ( I was surprised the actress playing the sheriff did as well as she did, since I work with kids, so I only know her as the mom on Suite Life of Zack and Cody...the show Dean makes fun of in Lucifer Rising! :p)
-Everyone was acting in-character.
-They didn't backslide story-wise with Sam's addiction coming up again after the last episode (cool twist for that ep, but didn't want to dwell).
-Dean was sweeter than ever with his protectiveness of Bobby.
-Good continuity with other episodes.
-Good action.
-Good amount of horror and gore, without going OOT
-Good twist with the zombies starting out all nice.....

so why didn't this one 'hit it out of the park' for me? I'm just not sure. :S

Ok, I have DO have one idea, but it is really pretty OT. So I'll put it in spoilers...(which is kind of ironic in its own way), and the 99.999999% of you that couldn't care less about my personal tv watching preferences can skip this.

One theory that came up with this morning (and this is going to sound weird :o) is that I think I actually NEED the spoilers! I noticed that even waiting for the episode during the hiatus, and all of yesterday, I didn't have my usual sense of building excitement. Then I thought about it, and I haven't had that for a while....since I gave up spoilers, in fact!

While I have enjoyed being surprised by things, not knowing where the story is going, I notice I spend more energy concerned that there will be some big turn to the story that I am not going to be happy with. So, I am distracted, instead of enjoying the moment. I don't need a transcript, and in fact don't want all the little details, but I do better if I am given the broad strokes of the story ahead of time.

That, and the promos actually do a good job getting you pumped up for the next episode! So, I am back on the Dark Side with those who spoil! :D

LtColCarter
March 26th, 2010, 10:46 AM
One theory that came up with this morning (and this is going to sound weird :o) is that I think I actually NEED the spoilers! I noticed that even waiting for the episode during the hiatus, and all of yesterday, I didn't have my usual sense of building excitement. Then I thought about it, and I haven't had that for a while....since I gave up spoilers, in fact!

While I have enjoyed being surprised by things, not knowing where the story is going, I notice I spend more energy concerned that there will be some big turn to the story that I am not going to be happy with. So, I am distracted, instead of enjoying the moment. I don't need a transcript, and in fact don't want all the little details, but I do better if I am given the broad strokes of the story ahead of time.

That, and the promos actually do a good job getting you pumped up for the next episode! So, I am back on the Dark Side with those who spoil! :D

:lol:

starg8fans
March 26th, 2010, 11:01 AM
Hmm. Huh. Well...um....er.......huh. :confused: I don't know what to think about this episode. I have been trying to figure it out all morning. I just wasn't blown away by it(no pun intended). But for the life of me, I can't figure out why. There was nothing wrong with it that I could see.

If you break it down, it had:

<snipped for length>

so why didn't this one 'hit it out of the park' for me? I'm just not sure. :S

Ok, I have DO have one idea, but it is really pretty OT. So I'll put it in spoilers...(which is kind of ironic in its own way), and the 99.999999% of you that couldn't care less about my personal tv watching preferences can skip this.

One theory that came up with this morning (and this is going to sound weird :o) is that I think I actually NEED the spoilers! I noticed that even waiting for the episode during the hiatus, and all of yesterday, I didn't have my usual sense of building excitement. Then I thought about it, and I haven't had that for a while....since I gave up spoilers, in fact!

While I have enjoyed being surprised by things, not knowing where the story is going, I notice I spend more energy concerned that there will be some big turn to the story that I am not going to be happy with. So, I am distracted, instead of enjoying the moment. I don't need a transcript, and in fact don't want all the little details, but I do better if I am given the broad strokes of the story ahead of time.

That, and the promos actually do a good job getting you pumped up for the next episode! So, I am back on the Dark Side with those who spoil! :D

Well, I spoilered myself senseless, but I had the same feeling about the episode. Although this may have something to do with the fact that I think Zombies are the most trite and clichéd of all monsters. Still, the way they were portrayed should have made a difference, but even though I liked the ep it didn't blow me away like so many recent ones.

Oh, and welcome back to the dark side! The sneak peeks for the next ep should do nicely to keep you salivating until next Thursday.

@ Sal: good point about 'how to kill a Zombie'. It wouldn't have been feasible to stake all those guys, though, so maybe there's more than one way to gank a Zombie? Or the fact how the girl was brought back required a specific way of killing her. It's too long since I've seen that ep - and not being a Zombie fan I think I even skipped it on my re-watch - so I forget what brought her back. May have to do some research on this.

LizzieAnne
March 26th, 2010, 02:22 PM
OK..I have to get this out of the way first….What!!! has happened to Sam’s hair!!! I missed the first 15mins trying to concentrate!!!! :eek:

And no reference to last weeks problems either...disappointing..I would have liked a little nod! Although I read that this ep was filmed to air before last weeks...CW made the change. :S

Apart from that, a pretty good ep. I liked it.

It‘s no surprise that Lucifer is beginning to ratchet up the action…the end game is near.
Earlier he made a big show of summoning Death. He seemed to just revel in knowing that Sam and Dean were powerless against him but now he’s getting down to business with a vengeance. Getting at Bobby is sending a powerful message to the boys. I don’t think Death needed to send a verbal message…what was happening said it all really….I reckon Bobby’s not telling the whole story there! But slowly and relentlessly Lucifer’s going to try and wear them down. Good thing that Dean decided to ask Sam back…it’s going to get ugly and they need each other!!!

Heartbreaking scenes with Bobby…you knew Bobby would do the right thing in the end but it was made harder that his wife didn’t change into a monster before he shot her. I remembered at the end that Jim Beaver has lost his wife in RL so it must have been hard for him to do that ep. :S

Plenty of bloody action in there…we’re left in no doubt that to kill a zombie you need to aim for the head! Traditionally there’s more that one way to kill them but in the situation they were in a head shot had to be the way to go and it did look a bit spectacular with Sam and the Sheriff blasting away at them at the end.

It was pointed out twice that Dean’s never been in love. Once by Bobby’s wife and indirectly by Bobby at the end and I’m wondering if they’re going somewhere with that at some point.

starg8fans
March 26th, 2010, 02:47 PM
OK..I have to get this out of the way first….What!!! has happened to Sam’s hair!!! I missed the first 15mins trying to concentrate!!!! :eek:

And no reference to last weeks problems either...disappointing..I would have liked a little nod! Although I read that this ep was filmed to air before last weeks...CW made the change. :S

I didn't know this - but then it makes sense that there was no reference to the earth shattering developments of MBV.



It was pointed out twice that Dean’s never been in love. Once by Bobby’s wife and indirectly by Bobby at the end and I’m wondering if they’re going somewhere with that at some point.

I was wondering about that as well. I mean, in S1 Dean seemed to have been pretty head-over-heels over the chick in Route 666. Spilling the family secret to her to me indicates that he was quite serious about her.

LizzieAnne
March 26th, 2010, 03:18 PM
I didn't know this - but then it makes sense that there was no reference to the earth shattering developments of MBV.


I suppose if it crops in next weeks ep it'll confirm it...



I was wondering about that as well. I mean, in S1 Dean seemed to have been pretty head-over-heels over the chick in Route 666. Spilling the family secret to her to me indicates that he was quite serious about her.

I know what you mean but I get the feeling that if the writers want to go with that it won't be too difficult for them to do because we don't know much about their relationship. Although Dean obviously had strong feelings for her, they can easily go with the idea that he wasn't actually in love with her but just liked the idea of it maybe. Loved the idea of having a normal home with a girlfriend/wife. That would work.

iolanda
March 27th, 2010, 01:11 AM
I was wondering about that as well. I mean, in S1 Dean seemed to have been pretty head-over-heels over the chick in Route 666. Spilling the family secret to her to me indicates that he was quite serious about her.

I think that was something which got lost in the writing room over the time. She was there, but she was never ever mentioned again (unlike Lisa Braden, Bens mother), and so I guess he had some nice time with the girl but never really the time to go from the butterflies to real, deep love. And since it was mentioned now about half a dozen times, that Dean never had a long term relationship and never fell in love I think that the writers are up to something with that.

Jill_Ion
March 27th, 2010, 09:12 AM
It was a pretty good show, but weaker than most this season. I liked having zombies be nice then turn into their people-eating selves - good twist. Still, the reason for sending zombies to mess with Bobby, then kill him didn't feel very apocalyptic to me.

I had a huge prob with the show's characterization of Sioux Falls. A sheriff, not the local city police? Not unless they were out of city limits. Sam called it "podunk?!" There are over 200,000 people (and at least a dozen zombies) in the greater metro area. And lastly, leafy trees, green grass, and "common" lightning storms in February?! I call bull****.

I will forgive SPN in time, of course, but this won't ever be my favorite episode. Poor Bobby!

Crichiel
March 29th, 2010, 06:31 AM
I remembered at the end that Jim Beaver has lost his wife in RL so it must have been hard for him to do that ep. :S


:( I know. I have Jim Beaver's book that he wrote about the loss of his wife (Very good book, btw. I recommend it), and I too kept thinking about how hard those scene must have been for him to film.

LtColCarter
March 29th, 2010, 06:39 AM
It was a pretty good show, but weaker than most this season. I liked having zombies be nice then turn into their people-eating selves - good twist. Still, the reason for sending zombies to mess with Bobby, then kill him didn't feel very apocalyptic to me.

I had a huge prob with the show's characterization of Sioux Falls. A sheriff, not the local city police? Not unless they were out of city limits. Sam called it "podunk?!" There are over 200,000 people (and at least a dozen zombies) in the greater metro area. And lastly, leafy trees, green grass, and "common" lightning storms in February?! I call bull****.

I will forgive SPN in time, of course, but this won't ever be my favorite episode. Poor Bobby!

In season 1 there was an episode supposedly filmed in Richardson, TX. Richardson is in the Dallas-Forth Worth Metroplex. Yet, in the episode the house that had paranormal activity was made to look like it was in the backwoods somewhere. I hate to tell the producers that there's nowhere in Richardson that looks like the place in the episode. Actually, Jensen is from Richardson. My point is, that towns aren't always portrayed accurately.

Crichiel
March 29th, 2010, 07:52 AM
In season 1 there was an episode supposedly filmed in Richardson, TX. Richardson is in the Dallas-Forth Worth Metroplex. Yet, in the episode the house that had paranormal activity was made to look like it was in the backwoods somewhere. I hate to tell the producers that there's nowhere in Richardson that looks like the place in the episode. Actually, Jensen is from Richardson. My point is, that towns aren't always portrayed accurately.

True. I know 'Minnesota' often looks decidedly Vancouver-ish, but what are they supposed to do? They film where they film. *shrugs*

Also, I haven't been paying attention to Souix Falls, but here in Minnesota this year? We actually DID have grass in February, no snow through the entire month of March, and we had our first thunderstorm of the year weeks ago!! :eek: Granted, it isn't our usual weather, like Bobby was saying with the lightning, it's actually more of a freak thing....hmmm, maybe I should be checking the local cemetaries, see if anyone is missing! :D

Had another quick comment on this episode. I liked how Bobby and the house were both cleaned up with his wife there, and I wasn't the only one who noticed. The 4-yr-old watched the first scene where the boys talk to Bobby and then turned and asked me, "Where's Bobby's hat?" :D

LtColCarter
March 29th, 2010, 07:55 AM
True. I know 'Minnesota' often looks decidedly Vancouver-ish, but what are they supposed to do? They film where they film. *shrugs*

Also, I haven't been paying attention to Souix Falls, but here in Minnesota this year? We actually DID have grass in February, no snow through the entire month of March, and we had our first thunderstorm of the year weeks ago!! :eek: Granted, it isn't our usual weather, like Bobby was saying with the lightning, it's actually more of a freak thing....hmmm, maybe I should be checking the local cemetaries, see if anyone is missing! :D

Had another quick comment on this episode. I liked how Bobby and the house were both cleaned up with his wife there, and I wasn't the only one who noticed. The 4-yr-old watched the first scene where the boys talk to Bobby and then turned and asked me, "Where's Bobby's hat?" :D

I know right....

But I really felt sorry for Bobby at the end of the episode. He looked so defeated.

LoneStar1836
March 29th, 2010, 07:58 AM
In season 1 there was an episode supposedly filmed in Richardson, TX. Richardson is in the Dallas-Forth Worth Metroplex. Yet, in the episode the house that had paranormal activity was made to look like it was in the backwoods somewhere. I hate to tell the producers that there's nowhere in Richardson that looks like the place in the episode. Actually, Jensen is from Richardson. My point is, that towns aren't always portrayed accurately.No backwoods in that area of NE Texas? :P They could have set it further down in SE TX where I'm at and it would have fit nicely. :D

Well they only have the budget to film in Vancouver, so I forgive them. :D

LtColCarter
March 29th, 2010, 08:03 AM
No backwoods in that area of NE Texas? :P They could have set it further down in SE TX where I'm at and it would have fit nicely. :D

Well they only have the budget to film in Vancouver, so I forgive them. :D

LOL...Well...there may be backwoods places in northeast Texas. Just no backwoods places in Richardson. ;)

Jill_Ion
April 6th, 2010, 10:33 AM
True. I know 'Minnesota' often looks decidedly Vancouver-ish, but what are they supposed to do? They film where they film. *shrugs*

Also, I haven't been paying attention to Souix Falls, but here in Minnesota this year? We actually DID have grass in February, no snow through the entire month of March, and we had our first thunderstorm of the year weeks ago!! :eek: Granted, it isn't our usual weather, like Bobby was saying with the lightning, it's actually more of a freak thing....hmmm, maybe I should be checking the local cemetaries, see if anyone is missing! :D

Had another quick comment on this episode. I liked how Bobby and the house were both cleaned up with his wife there, and I wasn't the only one who noticed. The 4-yr-old watched the first scene where the boys talk to Bobby and then turned and asked me, "Where's Bobby's hat?" :D

Not sure about SF this year either, but people on the other side of SD are still getting snow.

LOL, one of the funniest "That sure as heck ain't !" scenes was in [I]The Lone Gunmen. They were supposed to be behind the Harris County jail, which is in downtown Houston. Instead of buildings, streets, and maybe the bayou, there was a hill and trees. A hill? In Houston? ROTF!

LtColCarter
April 6th, 2010, 10:35 AM
Not sure about SF this year either, but people on the other side of SD are still getting snow.

LOL, one of the funniest "That sure as heck ain't !" scenes was in [I]The Lone Gunmen. They were supposed to be behind the Harris County jail, which is in downtown Houston. Instead of buildings, streets, and maybe the bayou, there was a hill and trees. A hill? In Houston? ROTF!

Now...that is funny!

Krisz
April 6th, 2010, 11:37 AM
I think the fact that every place on Earth is beginning to look like Vancouver is getting a bit silly! I know I've had a good laugh when places in Vancouver stand in for places in the UK (where I used to live) and Europe!

One thing that I've begun to really appreciate is that shows like SN have tended to film in close up, and in as 'generic US' locations as possible. Whilst for those who live in places that the boys are supposed to be in don't look anything like the place, I'm just happy that I'm not seeing my town centre on screen so much! SN only did it once thankfully.

Also the exciting storytelling of SN really helps, for me anyway, who is interested in where it's happening when you get things like this heart wrenching episode! Poor Bobby and others who get to spend only a few days with those they lost only to lose them again in a horrible way!