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Sp!der
March 5th, 2010, 12:05 AM
Hey there,
I always wandered, how far away are the planets from each other? lets say Tauron and Caprica, do you think it has more like an earth-mars distance, or do u think it is more far away? I wondered that myself after i rewatched the pilot again yesterday. So, Discuss please :) I am curious what you are thinking about that.

SaberBlade
March 5th, 2010, 01:22 AM
I always thought of the 12 Colonies to be part of the same solar system. Similar to Firefly (the series, explained in more detail at the start of it's movie, Serenity) that it was just one big solar system, with each colony based on a planet, or at least some based on the moons of other planets that may themselves have a colony.

Sp!der
March 5th, 2010, 04:02 AM
mh. okay, i always wondered how the colonization of the planets began in the bsg universe, i hope we get some answers in caprica someday to that. or did i miss that in bsg?

Jeffala
March 5th, 2010, 04:03 AM
If theyr'e 12 individual life-supporting planets, then it's on hell of a solar system with a massive habitable region or lots of very hot and very cold people.

Mongoletsi
March 5th, 2010, 05:46 AM
Indeed. Definitely one solar system.

It's not actually hard to find this via Google really ;)

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Colonies_%28RDM%29

Osiristi
March 5th, 2010, 06:51 AM
According to the intro of TV cut of Caprica pilot and Serge's twitter, Caprica and Gemenon are twin planets orbiting each other. Of other colonies I have no further information.

Ed
March 5th, 2010, 06:52 AM
is it possible the three or four star discreapcy could be solved by only three of four having full colonies

Jeffala
March 5th, 2010, 08:49 AM
So 12 "worlds" in a trinary star system (with a possible fourth outlying star)?

This is one big-honkin' star system.

Schrodinger's Cat
March 5th, 2010, 02:37 PM
This is one big-honkin' star system.

Sounds like a good reason to settle there.

aarlin81
March 5th, 2010, 09:24 PM
It appears that the Battlestar Wiki takes a few liberties and often co-mingle information from the original series and assume it's the same in the re-imagined series.

From Wikipedia (reference notations removed):

In the original series, the twelve tribes settled on twelve different planets in the fictional Cyrannus galaxy. The new series has never clarified their relative positions in space; however, Executive Producer Ronald D. Moore has stated that all the colony planets are in the same star system, as described in the original series. This was also hinted at several times in the pilot episode.

Tweets from @SergeGraystone, SyFy's official twitter for Daniel Graystone's robot Sergie indicate the following about the astronomy of the 12 colonies: all 12 colonies are on planets within a cluster of 4 stars. Caprica and Gemenon (Caprica's twin) share an orbit around a central barycenter. Two planets orbit the gas giant Ragnar at Ragnar's LaGrange points. Picon is sometimes thought of as "Caprica, Jr." Slightly colder overall, clean, polite, originally colonized by Virgon. Aquarion features icy, brackish seas and a small research colony on a tiny continent. Aerilon and Aquarion located relatively close to one other. Libran is largely a wildlife reserve that also serves as home to the intercolonial court system. Canceron has many lovely beach resorts, but is also overcrowded and poor. Scorpio is noted for its lush jungles, suggesting that the climate of Scorpio may be tropical.

Aussie_86
March 6th, 2010, 02:12 AM
With the fact "12 Planets, 3 Stars" I have always thought 3 stars meant three separate solar systems, perhaps fairly close together.

Think of it - the design of everything in the RDM universe (save for the GOD thing) has been logical and about it being practical. If there were 12 planets in one solar system (a trinary solar system), there would be no reason to develop Jump Drives! If, however, the Colonies were scattered out, there would be a reason to develop jump drives once the Colonies discovered each other after the first settlement (if they didn't know of each other before).

It seems to me a bit of a stretch of the imagination to have 12 habitable worlds in one solar system - it seems a less of a stretch to have 12 habitable worlds in 3 different solar systems that are relatively close together.

Cheers
Aussie

Ed
March 6th, 2010, 05:57 AM
Some guy on BSG wiki made this its fanwank but i think he's along the right lines though some are twin planets

SoulReaver
March 6th, 2010, 06:34 AM
bsg the planwhat..

aarlin81
March 6th, 2010, 12:36 PM
With the fact "12 Planets, 3 Stars" I have always thought 3 stars meant three separate solar systems, perhaps fairly close together.

Think of it - the design of everything in the RDM universe (save for the GOD thing) has been logical and about it being practical. If there were 12 planets in one solar system (a trinary solar system), there would be no reason to develop Jump Drives! If, however, the Colonies were scattered out, there would be a reason to develop jump drives once the Colonies discovered each other after the first settlement (if they didn't know of each other before).

It seems to me a bit of a stretch of the imagination to have 12 habitable worlds in one solar system - it seems a less of a stretch to have 12 habitable worlds in 3 different solar systems that are relatively close together.

Cheers
Aussie

No actually it doesn't. Despite being in the same system we still don't know the size and relative positions of the planets and other celestial bodies. In a system as large as the one presented in Caprica and BSG a propulsion system capable of interstellar travel would be necessary. It appears that you are confusing star/stellar system with solar system. A solar system would be a single star (such as our sun (Sol)) and the celestial bodies bound by its gravitational force. A star or stellar system is a small number of stars orbiting each other and can include the celestial bodies bound by their gravitational force.

Archaeis
March 6th, 2010, 03:45 PM
IN bsg the plan it was stated by the hybrid.

12 planets 3 stars.

actually it's "12 battles. 3 stars" I took that as meaning the 3 systems these kinds of wars have taken place: Kobol, Earth, and the Colonies.

Skydiver
March 8th, 2010, 03:59 AM
some of them might not be planets as much as moons. Jupiter's biggest moon, Triton, could be seen as a planet

that would also explain having them close enough to interact and know of each other. To have the events on one effect another, all the religious strife, etc.

calling them all the '12 colonies' kinda suggests to me that they all started from one core planet and spread out. Unless caprica was the main planet, the others off shoots of caprica, and they ended up calling themselves the 12 colonies simply to not sound discriminatory 'i'm from caprica, i'm from the fatherland, you're just a colonist' stuff

Osiristi
March 8th, 2010, 04:09 AM
I believe the core planet Skydiver refers to is Kobol. Thirteen tribes left Kobol to find new colonies. That's what is said in the Sacred Scrolls of Pythia.

Skydiver
March 8th, 2010, 04:18 AM
cool, thanks, so they left kobol and settled in the colonies, which may or may not be full bodied planets as much as maybe moons in a system

my astronomy is a bit rusty, but don't we have moons in our system that are bigger than our planets? If some are moons that could also explain having 12 different habitable space bodies in one solar system.

Sp!der
March 8th, 2010, 04:55 AM
cool, thanks, so they left kobol and settled in the colonies, which may or may not be full bodied planets as much as maybe moons in a system

my astronomy is a bit rusty, but don't we have moons in our system that are bigger than our planets? If some are moons that could also explain having 12 different habitable space bodies in one solar system.

maybe thats why tauron had no flowers on the planet, moon or whatever.... joseph mentioned smth like that in caprica.

aarlin81
March 8th, 2010, 06:57 AM
cool, thanks, so they left kobol and settled in the colonies, which may or may not be full bodied planets as much as maybe moons in a system

my astronomy is a bit rusty, but don't we have moons in our system that are bigger than our planets? If some are moons that could also explain having 12 different habitable space bodies in one solar system.

OK let's see if we can't clear this up along with people still thinking that a star system is just like a solar system.

From the Battlestar Wiki:

The Twelve Colonies of Kobol are located in the star system Cyrannus. <----FICTIONAL

During the Cylon attack one Hybrid indicates that the Colonies orbit three stars (The Plan). It is also known that at least some of the Colonies share their orbits (Caprica Pilot, TV version).

While Elosha stated that the Tribes settled onto "twelve worlds", the exact definition of "world" remains ambiguous. Although the Colonies are defined as independent, habitable celestial bodies, it is not known, whether they only include major planets or other astronomical objects such as moons, minor planets or even asteroids.

Prior to their destruction, the Twelve Colonies had approximately 50 billion inhabitants (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).

Some notes (emphasis mine):


The fact, that the Colonies are located within one system originates from a blog entry by Ronald D. Moore.
Jane Espenson revealed on Twitter that the Colonies are within a star cluster and share some orbits. The latter fact was finally shown to be true in the TV version of the series premiere of Caprica.
According to Serge's Twitter Account the Colonies orbit four stars in a star cluster, one of which is described as an "outlier". Also, some of the worlds (such as Aquaria) are barely inhabitable.

shipper hannah
March 8th, 2010, 08:10 AM
maybe thats why tauron had no flowers on the planet, moon or whatever.... joseph mentioned smth like that in caprica.

Being a moon doesn't exclude it having flora and fauna. It could still be either a planet or a moon.

aarlin81
March 8th, 2010, 11:05 AM
Being a moon doesn't exclude it having flora and fauna. It could still be either a planet or a moon.

Asteroids too.

I'd like to point something out after having a conversation with a friend. Some of you seem to think this 3/4 star system is either 3 stars orbiting around each other each as their own solar system or a solar system with 3 stars in the middle and all 12 worlds orbiting them. This may be because someone referred to it earlier as a trinary system.

First as mentioned earlier, it 4 stars. For whatever reason it (fourth) is called an "outlier".

I would also like to provide an artistic depiction of a REAL triple star system (HD188753 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/HD188753_orbit.jpg)). Please keep in mind that while the two outer stars appears to be very close they are in fact VERY VERY far apart.

Osiristi
March 10th, 2010, 07:31 AM
By the way, Philomon stated in the newest ep (Know Thy Enemy): "Twelve planets, and not one woman is interested in me."


v - Hopefully Evelyn will become Bill's stepmom. Teryl is a terrific actress!

aarlin81
March 10th, 2010, 09:26 AM
The general consensus is that they were all planets but often referred to as "worlds" because of asteroids, moons, etc that had also been colonized.

Then again it could also be a generic term. Caprica has made a few minor alteration from BSG such as the name of William Adama's mother. Then again as the dossier was hurried the fact that Evelyn was listed as his mother rather than his step-mother.

aarlin81
March 10th, 2010, 09:33 AM
I think the general consensus for now is they are planets and "worlds" is used to mean the planets and sub-colonies like moons, asteroids, etc. Then again it may turn out to be a generic term.

Skydiver
March 12th, 2010, 03:51 AM
it may also be that they're all called 'planets' as a sign of equality rather than 'planets and moons and asteroids of the....whatever'

Kinda like calling all the US' states, states, with no size requirement, thus symbolizing that they are all equal

i guess what i'm getting at,t he term doesn't have to be astronomically accurate, but a symbol of equality and equal status

aarlin81
March 12th, 2010, 10:08 AM
it may also be that they're all called 'planets' as a sign of equality rather than 'planets and moons and asteroids of the....whatever'

Kinda like calling all the US' states, states, with no size requirement, thus symbolizing that they are all equal

i guess what i'm getting at,t he term doesn't have to be astronomically accurate, but a symbol of equality and equal status

Errr....whaa?

I suggest looking up a few terms like state and sovereign state as well as federated state (U.S.). Your analogy is not entirely accurate beyond what we know about the Quorum of Twelve (each colony gets a vote). We don't know the extent of the role and powers before the exodus.

However, Caprica takes place prior to the unification of the twelve colonies established under the Articles of Colonization (signed 52 years before The Fall). Before this each colony was essentially a sovereign state/nation.