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Maybourne
May 13th, 2004, 06:57 PM
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In the episode cure we learned that the queen goa'uld had been sucked dry, and we also learned that they didnt have enough trutonin to keep supplying the people of their planet. Now tealc and bratac have started taking it and they seem to be offering it to heaps of jaffa they are allied with. If there wasnt enough trutonin for the creators, how is it that there is enough for all of earth's allied jaffa????

bcmilco
May 13th, 2004, 07:28 PM
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Well so far the only Jaffa that are taking it are Teal'c Bra'tac, and the 4 or 5 Jaffa from Birthright.

That's really not that many yet, however they are going to hit a limit as to how many jaffa can take it.

Of course if they find a way to synthesize the drug they wont need gou'ald...

Elwe Singollo
May 13th, 2004, 08:39 PM
Thanks for answering that, i've always wondered about that.

Maybourne
May 14th, 2004, 01:31 AM
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Yeah, only a few people are on the trutonin, but what if all the women jaffa had said "ok i will go on trutonin". The question is, can sg1 really be offering this drug so readily when they have do not have the ability to make more.

bcmilco
May 14th, 2004, 09:28 AM
Well I don't think they'd offer it if they couldn't make enough... but who knows. :p

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May 14th, 2004, 10:03 AM
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I thought, in Changeling, that the Tok'Ra said they had figured out how to synthesize it, but it still had the same bad side effects. I could be wrong since it has been awhile since I watched it and I have slept many times since then. :o

bcmilco
May 14th, 2004, 10:19 AM
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I thought, in Changeling, that the Tok'Ra said they had figured out how to synthesize it, but it still had the same bad side effects. I could be wrong since it has been awhile since I watched it and I have slept many times since then. :o

I thought the same thing, so I went back to watch the scene again. What he says is 'we since refined it specifically for Jaffa physiology' and 'we've been working on this tritonin varient since you introduced us to the Pangarins(sp)'.

Maybourne
May 15th, 2004, 12:22 AM
But for the tokra to refine the drug, they have to have the original trutonin which is about to run out

Teal'c
May 15th, 2004, 06:17 AM
But for the tokra to refine the drug, they have to have the original trutonin which is about to run out
What? How is it going to run out? The Tok'ra need only small samples of Tretonin to work on to try and make the Jaffa version work as a one time dose...

TameFarrar
May 15th, 2004, 12:18 PM
What? How is it going to run out? The Tok'ra need only small samples of Tretonin to work on to try and make the Jaffa version work as a one time dose...
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My question now would be......Did the SGC get the notes or research from the Tok'ra prior to the severing of the alliance. I can assme they did..but with all the withholding of this information and that information, I don't recall if Jacob stated that they would be passing the info along once they were sure it was working. Plus I am not recalling if Janet said the SGC had their own supply in Birthright.

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May 15th, 2004, 12:38 PM
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My question now would be......Did the SGC get the notes or research from the Tok'ra prior to the severing of the alliance. I can assme they did..but with all the withholding of this information and that information, I don't recall if Jacob stated that they would be passing the info along once they were sure it was working. Plus I am not recalling if Janet said the SGC had their own supply in Birthright.

Good points,Tame! I'll have to watch those eps again. I'm sure if there's no direct answer onscreen,the writers wouldn't be so sadistic ,or lax enough, to have the SGC/Janet etc, offer the drug or a synthesised version, if the Rebel Jaffa were to end up dying, once they became dependent on its ready supply.
I hope so anyway.

On another note: Aren't the Rebel Jaffa exchanging one form of slavery for another? By this,I mean, that if they become dependent on this drug,whoever supplies the drug becomes their new Masters! I, for one, don't think that is Teal'c's vision of "Freedom for all Jaffa". :(

bcmilco
May 15th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Spoiler Space Changling...Birthright..Death Knell
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My question now would be......Did the SGC get the notes or research from the Tok'ra prior to the severing of the alliance. I can assme they did..but with all the withholding of this information and that information, I don't recall if Jacob stated that they would be passing the info along once they were sure it was working. Plus I am not recalling if Janet said the SGC had their own supply in Birthright.

I would assume they have all the info they need, because they didn't call in the Tok'ra to help in Birthright, they did the whole experiment themselves.

I'll make another assumtion, which is really a leap, ;) and say that the SGC may also have a way to synthesize the drug or they wouldn't be doing test runs on anyone.

TameFarrar
May 15th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Good points,Tame! I'll have to watch those eps again. I'm sure if there's no direct answer onscreen,the writers wouldn't be so sadistic ,or lax enough, to have the SGC/Janet etc, offer the drug or a synthesised version, if the Rebel Jaffa were to end up dying, once they became dependent on its ready supply.
I hope so anyway.

On another note: Aren't the Rebel Jaffa exchanging one form of slavery for another? By this,I mean, that if they become dependent on this drug,whoever supplies the drug becomes their new Masters! I, for one, don't think that is Teal'c's vision of "Freedom for all Jaffa". :(


I think they do address that in a way...saying that they would cross that bridge...but it is a start....one step at a time so to speak

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May 15th, 2004, 12:58 PM
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I would assume they have all the info they need, because they didn't call in the Tok'ra to help in Birthright, they did the whole experiment themselves.

I'll make another assumtion, which is really a leap, ;) and say that the SGC may also have a way to synthesize the drug or they wouldn't be doing test runs on anyone.

I was thinking along those lines to but I still wondered if it had been addressed somewhere.. It just seems that sometimes it is something like this that gets lost in the *big picture* but is an important piece to one of the main characters of the show. And if there is no back story on what was the progression then TPTB are scrambling to fill it in and they are not very good at that.
Also, if the Jaffa alliance has broke down then are we to assume that the rebel Jaffa are still relying on symbiotes and not Trutonin? Because if they are using the medicine how are they to get it?

bcmilco
May 15th, 2004, 01:02 PM
I think they do address that in a way...saying that they would cross that bridge...but it is a start....one step at a time so to speak

Yes, Jacob mentions that when they talk about it, something like 'given time we can fix that too' but in the mean time their dependence is on a substance and not a person/"god". The Jaffa don't have to do what the gou'ald want anymore because they no longer need to be in their good graces to recieve their next snake.

Of course I suppose in a way that makes them our "slaves" but I trust the SGC will do the right thing ;)

bcmilco
May 15th, 2004, 01:09 PM
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I was thinking along those lines to but I still wondered if it had been addressed somewhere.. It just seems that sometimes it is something like this that gets lost in the *big picture* but is an important piece to one of the main characters of the show. And if there is no back story on what was the progression then TPTB are scrambling to fill it in and they are not very good at that.
Also, if the Jaffa alliance has broke down then are we to assume that the rebel Jaffa are still relying on symbiotes and not Trutonin? Because if they are using the medicine how are they to get it?

First I don't think there are any Jaffa out there using the Tritonin besides Bra'tac that the 4 or 5 women Jaffa from Birthright. Janet made some comment about 80% success rate not being a bad thing on a first trial. Which suggests to me that they haven't used it on other Jaffa at that point besides T and Bray.

Second I don't think the Jaffa broke off relations with us, they just decided they needed to move off onto their own base/planet where they could be independet of the SGCs regulation for the gate, and the SGCs structure for orginization. At least that was the impression I got from the episode.

So the Jaffa never relied on Tritonin and if they wanted/needed it I'm sure we'd be more then happy to supply, assuming we have enough :)

TameFarrar
May 15th, 2004, 01:13 PM
First I don't think there are any Jaffa out there using the Tritonin besides Bra'tac that the 4 or 5 women Jaffa from Birthright. Janet made some comment about 80% success rate not being a bad thing on a first trial. Which suggests to me that they haven't used it on other Jaffa at that point besides T and Bray.

Second I don't think the Jaffa broke off relations with us, they just decided they needed to move off onto their own base/planet where they could be independet of the SGCs regulation for the gate, and the SGCs structure for orginization. At least that was the impression I got from the episode.

So the Jaffa never relied on Tritonin and if they wanted/needed it I'm sure we'd be more then happy to supply, assuming we have enough :)

Ok that makes sense to me .......i had forgotten about the 80% on the First Trial statement

Well I had still been thinking about the Jaffa because they really made no comment either way that was clear in my mind just what the stand was there. Other than the fact that they were moving to be under their own steam. But I did get the impression that they would NOT be contacting the SGC until they felt that they would be *equal* to them in some manner.

shelsfc
May 15th, 2004, 01:44 PM
Second I don't think the Jaffa broke off relations with us, they just decided they needed to move off onto their own base/planet where they could be independet of the SGCs regulation for the gate, and the SGCs structure for orginization. At least that was the impression I got from the episode.
That was the impression I got too, that the Tok'ra broke off relations, but the Jaffa just left the Alpha site because they wanted independance. I assumed that the alliance with them is still there, if not as strong as it used to be.
I also got the impression that it was the Tok'ra who have most of the tretonin. If all the women in Birthright are taking it, the SGC probably doesn't have enough for all of them, so would the Tok'ra still be supplying them I wonder?

bcmilco
May 15th, 2004, 02:00 PM
I also got the impression that it was the Tok'ra who have most of the tretonin. If all the women in Birthright are taking it, the SGC probably doesn't have enough for all of them, so would the Tok'ra still be supplying them I wonder?

Really? What gave you that impression? (honest curiosity)

With no Tok'ra around durring Birthright, and only Janet conducting the experiment I got the distinct impression that the SGC had their own supply to work with...

And I don't think that all the Jaffa in Birthright were taking the Tritionin I would assume that for right now only the 4 or 5 from the initial experiment were on it.

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Also the other question is how long does one of those purple thingies last. In Orphius I got the impression that one of those could last 3 weeks (?) or what ever the time frame was between when he was caught and when he ran out.

shelsfc
May 15th, 2004, 03:23 PM
Really? What gave you that impression? (honest curiosity)
With no Tok'ra around durring Birthright, and only Janet conducting the experiment I got the distinct impression that the SGC had their own supply to work with...
I think it's just because it seemed to be the Tok'ra who were doing the experiments with the tretonin, particularly to be used by the Jaffa. Also, since it was their queen who died because of it, I kind of thought they would have an invested interest in it. I do think the SGC have their own supply, I just don't think it's as much as the Tok'ra, and a lot of what they have may be reserved for Teal'c & Bra'tac.


And I don't think that all the Jaffa in Birthright were taking the Tritionin I would assume that for right now only the 4 or 5 from the initial experiment were on it.I don't think all the Jaffa in Birthright are on it either, but the whole point of the experiment was to see if it would be a viable option for all of them at some point, right? I suppose I was just thinking out loud that if they are all on tretonin and if the SGC don't have enough to go round, will the Tok'ra supply them? I'm not making much sense, am I? :o


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Also the other question is how long does one of those purple thingies last. In Orphius I got the impression that one of those could last 3 weeks (?) or what ever the time frame was between when he was caught and when he ran out.I assume it would be however long he was in that camp, but we don't really know how long it was from the time they were captured to the time Daniel remembered they were there...I don't think it was said in the episode. Also, Bra'tac was rationing it too, so it may not usually last as long as it did in that case.

bcmilco
May 15th, 2004, 03:31 PM
I think it's just because it seemed to be the Tok'ra who were doing the experiments with the tretonin, particularly to be used by the Jaffa. Also, since it was their queen who died because of it, I kind of thought they would have an invested interest in it. I do think the SGC have their own supply, I just don't think it's as much as the Tok'ra, and a lot of what they have may be reserved for Teal'c & Bra'tac.

Ah, good point.


I don't think all the Jaffa in Birthright are on it either, but the whole point of the experiment was to see if it would be a viable for all of them at some point, right?

I was under the impression they were just looking for more people to test it on. IF that lead to more and more people on the drug I would assume that they would make sure they didn't excede their abilities.


I suppose I was just thinking out loud that if they are all on tretonin and if the SGC don't have enough to go round, will the Tok'ra supply them? I'm not making much sense, am I? :o

Makes sense to me, and I suppose that's a good question if we did excede our ability to produce/get it would the Tok'ra supply it... well IMO it would depend on if it served their interests or not. :D



I assume it would be however long he was in that camp, but we don't really know how long it was from the time they were captured to the time Daniel remembered they were there...I don't think it was said in the episode. Also, Bra'tac was rationing it too, so it may not usually last as long as it did in that case.

That's true he was rationing it, but either way that means it can last for a while, and that purple thingie wasn't that big, so it really doesn't take a lot to work.

Although I suppose it might just mean it's really concentrated.

hmmm... too many unknowns :p