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GateWorld
September 18th, 2009, 01:27 PM
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A ship begins sinking off the coast of South Africa, prompting Magnus and her team to rescue the passengers and the crew. When one of the refugees is found brutally murdered, Druitt becomes the prime suspect. <I>(TV Guide)</I>

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wine_buyer
January 8th, 2010, 07:08 PM
Wow! Loved it but I need to watch a second time before posting anything truly coherent. :D

Very angsty!

"for all eternity" *sobs*:(

Skydiver
January 8th, 2010, 07:10 PM
wow

ok, so, they've explained John's madness. he's an innocent man, possessed by an abnormal that has forced him to murder and kill.

props to them for calling back to the webbie and actually explaining John's madness. And the comment at the end of sleepers makes more sense now.

helen's 'i'm the last'

interesting though, john can certainly return, although his 'i have no destination in mind' calls back to the first part of the eps, where he alleuded to 'teleportation without a destination is dangerous' comment

he repeated ashley's fate. although she teleported knowing that the em pulse would kill her, he teleported, with no destination, perhaps hoping that he'd never rematerialize, or that he'd lose the creature in the jump

a good, 'cheap' bottle episode

Skydiver
January 8th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Wow! Loved it but I need to watch a second time before posting anything truly coherent. :D

Very angsty!

"for all eternity" *sobs*:(
notice the 'always' being repeated? men are always telling sam/helen always :)

DragonGate
January 8th, 2010, 07:13 PM
I don't normally post anywhere but Aftermath, but seeing there were no other posts, I felt I had to.

Loved it, particularly the unique pairings that got trapped together. Poor Druitt.

Yee! for this not being the season's last. When's the next thread going to be created?

Skydiver
January 8th, 2010, 07:15 PM
next thread? discussion threads for Kali will be created some time this week, but won't be opened until the episode airs.

Mandysg1
January 8th, 2010, 07:19 PM
This episode was just beyond great! From the beginning, just seeing Druitt trying to hide how he'd gone evil again, and I still couldn't believe it when he killed the empath :eek: Then the fight with Helen...wonderful work on everyone's part there. The action the reactions during this whole episode were just wonderful. And then the heart break...Helen finally has the real John back, and he sacrifices himself taking on the entity once more.

The big question at the end of show....where did John go; did he go to commit suicide or will we see 'Jack' back again?????

I know for myself I love the character whether he be evil or good, he is one of the best characters on the show.

Skydiver
January 8th, 2010, 07:21 PM
best line

watch where the hands go, wookie

Mandysg1
January 8th, 2010, 07:23 PM
Oh yea, and I didn't mind Kate in this one ;)

badwolfSG
January 8th, 2010, 07:26 PM
I have to re-watch this episode, I only really got to watch the end!!! And Kate getting hit, which I thought was kinda stupid on Kate ( and I actually like Kate very much)part. She supposed to be professional, so, she hears gun fire and comes running down the hall without looking where she going. Great way to get shot in the real world.

SamJackShipper93
January 8th, 2010, 07:27 PM
Oh! The angst! The pain! My shippy heart is on overload! :)

I really want to know what's going to happen to Druitt, and it disappoints me that we'll have to wait until next season to get any answers.

I loved the storyline, it reminded me a lot of both SG-1's "Entity" and SGA's "Quarantine". There can't be much of anything that's creepier than a homocidal, maniac entity controlling the very building you're in. There's no where to hide.


best line

watch where the hands go, wookie

LOL, just going to say that!

John's line about "There's no place like home" makes me wonder if that's a reference to all of the Stargate references to The Wizard of Oz.

Gem of Tigress
January 8th, 2010, 07:36 PM
great eppy, for a minute there i was afraid that they were going to kill Druitt. :eek: glad they didn't. i really feel sorry for him though.

SamJackShipper93
January 8th, 2010, 07:41 PM
It's so tragic that for the second time we're supposed to believe that John's cured, and just when we become certain that it's the Entity that's doing all of the dirty work, it has to go back into him! :(

suse
January 8th, 2010, 07:50 PM
Loved the ep. One uber jarring bad background job, otherwise, pretty good.

The character interactions were wonderful. :) CH sure had a lot to do!

What a great last line to Helen. <<sob>>

I know they will never have him not conflicted, but I really hope he's used more as JtR/John next season. Unless he's in the next Twilight movie too. (No idea, read the first book, didn't care for it, ignored the rest.)

Gem of Tigress
January 8th, 2010, 07:50 PM
Yeah, that was sad. :(

Mack_1
January 8th, 2010, 07:54 PM
A totally totally good and awesome episode. 9/10

That fight was really painful to watch and you couldn’t stop to feel bad for Helen since she is the one “killing” John.

Henry was really good; fighting the entity and reclaiming his “turf “was funny good.

Will almost burn to a crisp LOL

Kate is growing more every time, she is funny in a way and she has some kind of chemistry with all the team.

Helen and John; my hat’s off to them; they can do mushy, loving, hateful and aghast in just seconds.

So what now? Where’s he gone? And Helen can’t rest a second she is losing them and she is feeling it.

Only complain; that last scene when they are in front of the lab’s door; that scene looked awkward, I guess the green screen didn’t do what it was suppose too.

This is it so far there are lots I can talk about but need to see it again.

charles582
January 8th, 2010, 09:16 PM
awesome episode! I am glad that druitt is innocent. Hopefully, they intend to free him one day forever of this parasite. Druitt kinda reminds me of what peter parker ,aka spiderman, would be like if the symbiote venom had taken him over completly.

AresLover452
January 8th, 2010, 09:28 PM
awesome episode! I am glad that druitt is innocent. Hopefully, they intend to free him one day forever of this parasite. Druitt kinda reminds me of what peter parker ,aka spiderman, would be like if the symbiote venom had taken him over completly.

I don't think Helen will leave him like that if she can find a definite way to take the entity out of him now that she knows that was the reason for his madness. She, as must as it pains me to say, lost Tesla and now to lose John. This woman is at a loss. I just hope that in her free time, whenever she has free time, she looks for a way to help John and Tesla.


It's so tragic that for the second time we're supposed to believe that John's cured, and just when we become certain that it's the Entity that's doing all of the dirty work, it has to go back into him! :(

He martyred himself to save them all, noble very noble of John and yes very very sad. I just hope that the evil inside him forced him to decide on a place rather than risk death.


best line

watch where the hands go, wookie

That was a great line!! i loved then Henry said: Who's your Daddy?! And then Will just looks around... hilarious.

yessika
January 8th, 2010, 09:52 PM
Awesome episode!!!
So many good lines but my favorite is "for all eternity" *super angsty sigh*

AresLover452
January 8th, 2010, 10:10 PM
Awesome episode!!!
So many good lines but my favorite is "for all eternity" *super angsty sigh*



the entire line nearly made me cry... nearly.

John: I love you. For all eternity. Remember that...



For like a split second I thought Sane John was going to reach out and caress her cheek.

yessika
January 8th, 2010, 10:11 PM
the entire line nearly made me cry... nearly.

John: I love you. For all eternity. Remember that...



For like a split second I thought Sane John was going to reach out and caress her cheek.

In my deluded mind I thought he was going to kiss her

AresLover452
January 8th, 2010, 10:18 PM
In my deluded mind I thought he was going to kiss her

I thought that too (would have loved it), but I didn't want to sound far out!!

yessika
January 8th, 2010, 10:22 PM
I thought that too (would have loved it), but I didn't want to sound far out!!

Well thank you, for a moment there I thought I was alone in my delusion :p

AresLover452
January 8th, 2010, 10:30 PM
Well thank you, for a moment there I thought I was alone in my delusion :p

the way that scene felt it was as if he would try and kiss her or caress her cheek, as if in a final goodbye before becoming the monster again.

wurlitzer153
January 8th, 2010, 11:21 PM
Podcast!
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/includes/podcasts/mp3/211/sanctuary_episode211_commentary.mp3

MissCheerfully
January 9th, 2010, 02:24 AM
I loved this episode (but not as much as Sleepers xD), I was a little dissapointed that John became good while they were enclosed together xD That's why I LOVED THE BEGINING! I love Jack not John! But I guess, it was good to see his good part.

OMG, poor Will xD I was scared for him as for Kate and Bigfoot, and I liked Kate in this episode, very, she was fun with the Bigguy... her voice still horrible but, the charactere is better than in the first episodes ^^ Hope to see more of her in the two last episodes. ^^

mercy moon
January 9th, 2010, 02:50 AM
ahh! i'm so jealous - i want to see this episode right now, it sounds brilliant! :)

hisg1fans
January 9th, 2010, 03:02 AM
First reactions:

OMG, if they get rid of any more characters there will be nobody left and no show!

Still didn't like Kate, she feels too forced for me.

Henry and Will were fun in the basement.

John sure can be evil can't he :D The looks in the first scene were downright scary.

So was the "abnormal" in John all this time? Or was it from the ship?

What was going on with the ship? Is that the next episode?

I guess I'm not a Helen/John shipper too much. I didn't see any more compassion Helen have John for having an abnormal take over him than I saw her give Tesla for losing his powers. I know their history is romantic, so this is odd. Maybe I missed some things.

Just have to watch again. Darn ;)

Chelle DB
January 9th, 2010, 04:29 AM
I cant wait to watch this ep...sounds awesome. I have to admit, I hope that John isn't really gone for good. I just adore Christopher Heyerdahl. And I love the chemistry between Helen and John.
As for Kate...I actually really like the character. Hasn't taken me long to have her grow on me. Can't wait to see her in this ep too! :)

helenmagnus23
January 9th, 2010, 05:10 AM
I soooooooooooooooooo want to see this eps soooooooooooooooooo much i cant wait much longer :)

kes
January 9th, 2010, 05:20 AM
Podcast is up
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/podcasts.php

mercy moon
January 9th, 2010, 06:17 AM
I cant wait to watch this ep...sounds awesome. I have to admit, I hope that John isn't really gone for good. I just adore Christopher Heyerdahl. And I love the chemistry between Helen and John.

ditto on all accounts. :D



As for Kate...I actually really like the character. Hasn't taken me long to have her grow on me. Can't wait to see her in this ep too! :)

ditto again ... i actually spotted her in an early episode of 'atlantis' the other day as an athosian in 'suspicion'.

edit update : she crops again in the season five episode 'outsiders' as another character. :-)

maylet
January 9th, 2010, 08:35 AM
Podcast is up
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/podcasts.php

Cool, thanks for posting the link

shanna1
January 9th, 2010, 09:29 AM
I loved this episode...though I must say Druitt terrifies me. Heyerdahl does creepy better than anyone else, IMO.

Kate was not bad here - I'm a fan, but there have been moments when I wonder what's up with her always commenting on things that aren't really any of her business (though I shouldn't - I can be just as nosy at times, myself).

MissCheerfully
January 9th, 2010, 09:47 AM
Do you think, it's still possible Haunted and Sleepers has been traded?

SamJackShipper93
January 9th, 2010, 10:46 AM
Traded? What do you mean?

It's obvious that had they remained in the correct airing order, Helen's comment about "John's departure" and her being the last of the five would have made more sense.

Skydiver
January 9th, 2010, 11:14 AM
IMHO, they were aired out of order. it was supposed to be haunted, then sleepers. and then helen's comment about 'john's disappearance' would make more sense

badwolfSG
January 9th, 2010, 11:30 AM
IMHO, they were aired out of order. it was supposed to be haunted, then sleepers. and then helen's comment about 'john's disappearance' would make more sense

ya, it does!

hisg1fans
January 9th, 2010, 12:47 PM
ya, it does!

I would agree.

EvenstarSRV
January 9th, 2010, 01:17 PM
best line

watch where the hands go, wookie

Hee, that was good. I really enjoyed the Kate and Bigfoot stuff.

Overall a good episode, I especially like how they finally explained how Druitt's madness is connected to his teleporting. My guess is the energy monster jumped into him when he first began teleporting and it gains in strength every time he jumps. Though while Tesla temporarily curing him in The Five now makes sense, I now wonder why he wanted Helen's blood in the pilot.

The different pairings were fun, and yay to Henry and Will for mostly saving the day. And great stuff between Helen and Druitt, esp at the end. I'm sure we'll see more Druitt in S3, though I do hope that they don't 'cure' him anytime soon, he's much more interesting conflicted IMHO.

majorsal
January 9th, 2010, 02:46 PM
another wonderful ep. :D

i'll start off telling about my fave scene... helen runs around the corner and gets clobbered by john, and then kicked. i couldn't believe it! :eek: it wasn't overly graphic, just a heck of a surprise, and it 'did' feel cold coming from someone that loved helen and that helen still loves. but i think my shock and wow was what made it stick with me so much. and helen whump. :p

lots of cute pairings moments, with will-henry and biggie-kate. the helen-john stuff was far from 'cute', but was the soul of the ep.

i'm not really a helen/john shipper, but i liked what they did in this ep to make the possibility of them getting together happen. there was no way helen would ever get back with john, after what he'd become and brutally murdering women. but they created a type of 'get out of jail free card' scenario for him... i like that, for john, for helen, and for a future for them someday. that was quite ingenious. :p

chris h is really a good actor. :)

i'll comment more once i read everyone else's comments, but all in all, quite a good episode. :D

majorsal
January 9th, 2010, 02:59 PM
For like a split second I thought Sane John was going to reach out and caress her cheek.

i thought they were going to kiss. :p

majorsal
January 9th, 2010, 03:15 PM
So was the "abnormal" in John all this time? Or was it from the ship?



i think that's the question we're all going to be asking.

i think john was saying as much, but helen stopped him, saying it was too convenient (?) to blame all of it on the creature inside him.

i do wonder if this thing just enhances what's already there (like pms and menopause :p), or if john was this nice and gentle man and the thing recreated the monster within him? and when exactly did it go into him?

wine_buyer
January 9th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Well thank you, for a moment there I thought I was alone in my delusion :p

For a split second I thought so too so obviously we're all delusional. :D


Podcast!
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/includes/podcasts/mp3/211/sanctuary_episode211_commentary.mp3


Podcast is up
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/podcasts.php

That was fast.


I cant wait to watch this ep...sounds awesome. I have to admit, I hope that John isn't really gone for good. I just adore Christopher Heyerdahl. And I love the chemistry between Helen and John.
As for Kate...I actually really like the character. Hasn't taken me long to have her grow on me. Can't wait to see her in this ep too! :)

I liked Kate very close to the begining and I like her even more now. To me she is a "regular" in the same way as Biggie, Henry and Will.


IMHO, they were aired out of order. it was supposed to be haunted, then sleepers. and then helen's comment about 'john's disappearance' would make more sense

Agreed


Hee, that was good. I really enjoyed the Kate and Bigfoot stuff.

Overall a good episode, I especially like how they finally explained how Druitt's madness is connected to his teleporting. My guess is the energy monster jumped into him when he first began teleporting and it gains in strength every time he jumps. Though while Tesla temporarily curing him in The Five now makes sense, I now wonder why he wanted Helen's blood in the pilot.

The different pairings were fun, and yay to Henry and Will for mostly saving the day. And great stuff between Helen and Druitt, esp at the end. I'm sure we'll see more Druitt in S3, though I do hope that they don't 'cure' him anytime soon, he's much more interesting conflicted IMHO.

If not a cure than maybe longevity?


i thought they were going to kiss. :p

You hopeless romantic. :D (Me too :o)


i think that's the question we're all going to be asking.

i think john was saying as much, but helen stopped him, saying it was too convenient (?) to blame all of it on the creature inside him.

i do wonder if this thing just enhances what's already there (like pms and menopause :p), or if john was this nice and gentle man and the thing recreated the monster within him? and when exactly did it go into him?

You have to wonder if the parasite/entity was not only attracted by Johns teleporting but maybe something within John himself? Or the teleporting could have attracted it but something deep within him could have caused it to become attached (if that makes sense)? It could be the entity needed a certain type of person and John, though seeming gentle, could have had a deeper darker personality that he kept hiddedn even from himself?

shel
January 9th, 2010, 04:28 PM
I loved this episode, it's easily one of my favorites. I liked Kate a lot more in this ep, she had good interactions with Bigfoot.

Loved every moment between Helen and John, but when John kicked her, that took me completely by surprise. :eek: Absolutely loved it when he told Helen he'd always love her. At the end I so thought that John was going to kiss her :D Just hated that he took the energy creature back. So much angst. :p

Overall, wonderful episode. CH is a really amazing and wonderful actor, he did an amazing job playing both evil and sane John. :)

parsifal
January 9th, 2010, 05:40 PM
Pretty good tribute to Magnus's outift.

http://fangirlonamission.blogspot.com/2010/01/stealing-magnuss-style.html

Celandine
January 9th, 2010, 06:31 PM
Thank goodness for Comcast On Demand! I was thinking I wouldn't see this for a few days time as I was working when it aired and I havent found my alternative way of watching as of yet. So far, every ep has been complimentary on On Demand which rocks.

This is definitely ranked as one of my favorites! I loved the suspense and danger of the unknown factor the energy creature brought and the desperation everyone felt as a response. 'Edge of your seat' story lines, no matter the show (or book for that matter) have always held my interest.

The different pairings and their isolation from each other was well crafted too. They played well off each other and the creatures attempt to keep them separate and defenseless was enthralling. Both in how it was done and how they kept thwarting its efforts left and right. Even if I wasn't a huge fan already of the show and characters, Haunted was so well written, you couldn't help rooting for those trapped and potentially fearing for their lives. Survival is such a basic need and the common denominator which TPTB used skillfully to draw the viewer in.

I loved the Kate/Biggie interactions the best I think. Kate's constant chatter as opposed to Biggies restrained impatience kept me laughing throughout. Heh, Biggie mates every five years too, huh? Now there's a plot bunny for you. :P

Loved Will's near death scramble in the heating ducts and John's neckbreaker move on Helen and kick to the abdomen had me cringing in it's realism. Definite kudos for that scene.

Though I've never shipped John and Helen, I couldnt help but feeling sorry for them at the end. For two people to obviously care so much for each other, to share such wonderful memories, but be unable to act on their feelings due to circumstances beyond their control had me wishing thinks could be different for them. I do hope to see more of John again. His sacrifice for everyone totally rocked. The ending of Sleepers and Helen's comment concerning John, suddenly makes more sense now considering how they were aired out of order.

Lastly, geeks FTW! Couldn't help cheering Henry on being a gadget guru myself. I do love the way his mind works! :D

EvenstarSRV
January 9th, 2010, 06:33 PM
If not a cure than maybe longevity?

Perhaps, but he survived until the present without her blood, I'm assuming, so would he really need that for longevity?



You have to wonder if the parasite/entity was not only attracted by Johns teleporting but maybe something within John himself? Or the teleporting could have attracted it but something deep within him could have caused it to become attached (if that makes sense)? It could be the entity needed a certain type of person and John, though seeming gentle, could have had a deeper darker personality that he kept hiddedn even from himself?

MW, DK, and CH have an interesting discussion about that on the podcast

What I think they all kinda settle on is that while John is a good, though rather arrogant, guy, when the entity first went into him it brought out or emphasized the darker/negative parts of his personality, which turned him into the Ripper. Without the entity he still has that darkness, but he can now more easily control it and not act on its impulses. So he's not completely innocent and evil just because of the entity's influence, but he's not completely evil without the entity either.

SamJackShipper93
January 9th, 2010, 06:43 PM
I loved the Kate/Biggie interactions the best I think. Kate's constant chatter as opposed to Biggies restrained impatience kept me laughing throughout. Heh, Biggie mates every five years too, huh? Now there's a plot bunny for you. :P


LOL, at the end I started laughing because I couldn't tell if Bigfoot said "Nice" because they had gotten out of the elavator, or because he was holding a pretty girl in his arms.

In my opinion, the latter is more plausible, since the former still has them hanging in over a deep abyss. :P

How did they get out anyway? :D

Celandine
January 9th, 2010, 06:57 PM
LOL, at the end I started laughing because I couldn't tell if Bigfoot said "Nice" because they had gotten out of the elavator, or because he was holding a pretty girl in his arms.

In my opinion, the latter is more plausible, since the former still has them hanging in over a deep abyss. :P

How did they get out anyway? :D

Exactly! I loved that part when they were dangling. I suppose their escape from the elevator shaft will always be one of those things we'll speculate on. It's the same with the ending of 'Next Tuesday' and how we all wondered as well on that matter. ;)

Skydiver
January 9th, 2010, 07:03 PM
i think kate and biggie climbed out the top and hung on the rafter to escape teh soon to plummet elevator

course, i'm thinking 'how come the shaft doesn't have a ladder? don't all elevator shafts have ladders?

and, i have the most horrible thought of Biggie Pon Farr ;)

Skydiver
January 9th, 2010, 07:14 PM
hey there .. well I don`t see the episode, yet, because someone decide not post on the web, I am really boring because I, as everyone, wait two weeks for the episode and now they don`t realese that for the web, I try lokking in all the places possibles but no chance... please someone ,can do that please.. I am dying for the episode... :samanime15::o
Just a reminder, the ONLY non-broadcast means of viewing that are permissible to talk about here is places like Unbox, Hulu, scifi rewind or other LEGAL sources.

If you're watching the show via illegal downloads.....we kinda have a 'don't ask, don't tell' philosophy. Don't admit to it, don't brag about it, for pete's sake do not post or ask for links.

doing that can get you modded.

Celandine
January 9th, 2010, 07:32 PM
i think kate and biggie climbed out the top and hung on the rafter to escape teh soon to plummet elevator

course, i'm thinking 'how come the shaft doesn't have a ladder? don't all elevator shafts have ladders?

and, i have the most horrible thought of Biggie Pon Farr ;)

Would be quite interesting though to see if he would go in the same sort of 'fever' as the Vulcans did. Poor Magnus. I can see her taking extra pains every five years, sighing heavily as the inevitable approached. :P

chaosmastersf
January 9th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Had to catch this episode on it's second showing last night. (Thank the gods for DVR.) The cable operator here in the SF Bay Area was broadcasting SyFy with no sound. Gave them a call to let them know and had the following conversation:

Me: I wanted to report that one of the stations isn't broadcasting sound.
Tech: SyFy, right? And yes, we know there's a new episode on. I swear we're trying to fix it as fast as we can.

*snort* Apparently I'm not the only Sanctuary fan in the area. :D

Alder
January 10th, 2010, 02:21 AM
So...I'm doing my "type stuff up while I watch/read the thread later"...

...and I'm thinking, "Wait...does this mean that Druitt was possessed by some sort of dark abnormal that compelled him to kill? And the 'electroshock therapy'...so to speak...from Tesla hurt or damaged it, and that was why he was free for a while?" Eeee!

Ooh, well, he certainly thinks so....and it would make so much *sense*.

[Man, I really hope he's not going to die. Or take it back to save them all. I have a baaaaaaaaaaaad feeling about this...]

Curses. I knew it...

mercy moon
January 10th, 2010, 04:14 AM
squeeeeee! what a wonderful episode! john/helen (and indeed everyone else) were just brilliant together ... i so wanted them to kiss at the end, john's words were heart breaking ... he loves her so much - and i think she feels the same! their intense - sometimes violent, sometimes tender - relationship is still evolving .... please don't let this be the end of druitt.

the podcast is as funny as the actual episode is sad ... CH has a great sense of humour and possibly the worlds most sexy voice! it's well worth taking the time to listen to it!

:D

Celandine
January 10th, 2010, 05:44 AM
Had to catch this episode on it's second showing last night. (Thank the gods for DVR.) The cable operator here in the SF Bay Area was broadcasting SyFy with no sound. Gave them a call to let them know and had the following conversation:

Me: I wanted to report that one of the stations isn't broadcasting sound.
Tech: SyFy, right? And yes, we know there's a new episode on. I swear we're trying to fix it as fast as we can.

*snort* Apparently I'm not the only Sanctuary fan in the area. :D

:lol: Sorry, this just totally made me chuckle. I wonder how many calls they received that night for those frantic to watch the new ep? Glad you were able to watch it later too.

I don't have a DVR, but as I said before, I have On Demand and they have all the Sanctuary eps complimentary for viewing which works for me in that I'm usually working Friday nights. I quite understand your relief. ;)


So...I'm doing my "type stuff up while I watch/read the thread later"...

...and I'm thinking, "Wait...does this mean that Druitt was possessed by some sort of dark abnormal that compelled him to kill? And the 'electroshock therapy'...so to speak...from Tesla hurt or damaged it, and that was why he was free for a while?" Eeee!

Ooh, well, he certainly thinks so....and it would make so much *sense*.

[Man, I really hope he's not going to die. Or take it back to save them all. I have a baaaaaaaaaaaad feeling about this...]

Curses. I knew it...

Yeah, I really wasn't expecting John to 'take back' the creature into himself again. I mean, if he felt so purged and free, why would he go back to the dangerous person he used to be? Love does make you do funny things.


squeeeeee! what a wonderful episode! john/helen (and indeed everyone else) were just brilliant together ... i so wanted them to kiss at the end, john's words were heart breaking ... he loves her so much - and i think she feels the same! their intense - sometimes violent, sometimes tender - relationship is still evolving .... please don't let this be the end of druitt.

the podcast is as funny as the actual episode is sad ... CH has a great sense of humour and possibly the worlds most sexy voice! it's well worth taking the time to listen to it!:D

I have to do a major catch up on the podcasts as I've only heard a few thus far. I've been downloading them from itunes as they are available and saving them to listen for another time. What I've heard though are indeed hilarious. :)

maylet
January 10th, 2010, 06:04 AM
I haven't see it yet, I just want to know, how good is the episode

So, how good is it?

sweetviviane
January 10th, 2010, 06:17 AM
best episode so far. Loved all the Helen/John moments except of the very last scene where he teleports away. Helen is losing way too many people this season. Beginning with her daughter close friends (Michael shanks character) and her one ture love( I know he isn't really dead). I know it's sci-fi and nobody really dies but it would be great too see Helen happy for once.

hisg1fans
January 10th, 2010, 06:22 AM
best episode so far. Loved all the Helen/John moments except of the very last scene where he teleports away. Helen is losing way too many people this season. Beginning with her daughter close friends (Michael shanks character) and her one ture love( I know he isn't really dead). I know it's sci-fi and nobody really dies but it would be great too see Helen happy for once.

I agree.

SamJackShipLover
January 10th, 2010, 06:24 AM
I give it an 8/10 :)

I thought the beginning was a little boring. Might also be, cause I watched it without subtitles and couldn't understand everything.

I thought the CGI looked bad a couple of times and that really pulled me out of the story.

I didn't know anything about this ep, except that John would be in it. I was slighty dissapointed how that played out. Evil -- Good --- Evil ... it all happened a little too quickly for me. The scene where John kicked and was about to kill (?) Helen though ... awesome, unexpected.

I liked the interaction between the other pairings. I never minded Kate and I thought she was just fine in this ep. Her and Biggie were funny.

I liked Helen's clothes :D

mercy moon
January 10th, 2010, 06:31 AM
yeah, thinking about it, i'm sure we'll see john again - if only because CH is still gonna be around playing the big guy and it would be mad not to use an actor already that's on the pay roll!

kes
January 10th, 2010, 06:32 AM
Do you think, it's still possible Haunted and Sleepers has been traded?


Traded? What do you mean?

It's obvious that had they remained in the correct airing order, Helen's comment about "John's departure" and her being the last of the five would have made more sense.

To answer the debate:
From DK to @OrientalLilly RT Quick question @damiankindler or @jaclynmacrae - why was "Sleepers" & "Haunted" shown out of order? A: Network decision.

Loved the ep. CH really shines when playing Druitt. He does tormented, evil, etc so well. What a great actor.
Thou I think the end needed a kiss. lol
Plus you get Druitt and Biggie lol Biggie was funny in this ep. Love is expressions.

Cant wait to listen to the podcast. And hear that amazing voice! Shame AT isnt on this one. That would've been fun :D

maylet
January 10th, 2010, 06:50 AM
I know it's sci-fi and nobody really dies but it would be great too see Helen happy for once.

For me that's rule nº1 for Sci-Fi

sandra-carter
January 10th, 2010, 07:26 AM
hey ... you know here is snowing.. wow never snow here that`s awesome.
I am a little disapointed bec ause I expect more conection between Jonh and Helen , some moments we can see a hint of passion,love,regret among other things, but I really expect more but was a gr8 ep.

yeah the end is close ,you know we have to wait almost 10 months for the new season , this suck... but otherwise just keep fedding my curiosity about the new season... and Druitt is not dead... keep that in mind before you saying that you will stop watching ... ok? be good


p.s. I love these two they are awesome together ...

siles
January 10th, 2010, 08:43 AM
John/Helen is boring. TPTB really did a cop out with an abnormal being responsible for what John did. Hope we'll never see John ever again; too bad he didn't take Kate with him also. One of the few Sanctuary episodes that failed to keep my attention - I was half watching, half browsing the net.

Florena
January 10th, 2010, 09:35 AM
I saw this ep <mod snip>, thanks to livhanna, and it was great. I have no problem with kate and she and big guy, caged in elevator, was funny. I´m not really a helen/john shipper, but I felt sorry for him. Did I understand it right, he´s innocent for his actions, it always was the creature? Was sad when he told helen that he will love her for all eternity, but I don´t think they will ever be together again, it happened to much. John obviously has feelings for helen, but has helen feelings for john too?
I hope in future there will be something between helen and nikola.

shanna1
January 10th, 2010, 09:41 AM
John/Helen is boring. TPTB really did a cop out with an abnormal being responsible for what John did. Hope we'll never see John ever again; too bad he didn't take Kate with him also. One of the few Sanctuary episodes that failed to keep my attention - I was half watching, half browsing the net.


I never thought that at all, because I seriously doubt it was the only cause of his madness and compulsion to kill; I think it magnified what was already there.

Skydiver
January 10th, 2010, 10:10 AM
i think, with John, he always had a dark side. (really, i think a lot of us do, but we either learn to control it or deny it or it never comes out for us).

i think the creature used that, exaggerated it and gave him the ability to give into his dark side.

I think helen will always wonder, how much of hte murders was john, how much was Lectro. After all, john went cabal hunting...and didn't seem possessed then. so how many murders were John, how many were Lectro?

helen will never know. even if John knows, can she trust anything he ever says?

Alder
January 10th, 2010, 10:59 AM
Yeah, I really wasn't expecting John to 'take back' the creature into himself again. I mean, if he felt so purged and free, why would he go back to the dangerous person he used to be? Love does make you do funny things.
Aaah, about 15 minutes from the end I was certain that was what would have to happen. They were so unprepared for the creature, and minutes away from it killing both them, and every other abnormal in the Sanctuary...cue the Heroic Sacrifice.

i think, with John, he always had a dark side. (really, i think a lot of us do, but we either learn to control it or deny it or it never comes out for us).

i think the creature used that, exaggerated it and gave him the ability to give into his dark side.
I agree with you about how most of us learn to control our dark sides! Without it we'd simply all be sociopaths...
But there's something about Druitt that makes me think he was a good man driven by the creature's hunger, rather than his own.

It never, ever made sense to me that Magnus would have fallen in love with a sociopath, or that Druitt would have fallen in love with her. Serial killer's minds just don't work like that, it's how they can be serial killers, the ordinary, everyday human emotions that we take for granted are alien to them. This even goes as far as married/otherwise involved men being lower on a suspect list when police are searching for that kind of killer. There have been cases of serial killers in relationships, but it's extremely rare. It always seemed to me that something else had to be going on - Magnus herself called it a "compulsion".

I'm also speculating about the effect that knowing about the creature will have on Druitt himself. (This is assuming he didn't just teleport himself inside a rockface or something in an Ultimate Heroic Sacrifice, which I would be distinctly unpleased about...!) Anyway, before now he'd always believed that it was his own evil character that led him to do these things - "I am what I am..." - but fighting against yourself, and fighting against someone else are two entirely different things, particularly if you carry with you a clear memory of how you really feel, and who you really are.
And - my other secret hope - is that when Tesla gets past his [spoilered 'cause of the out of sequence thing]unhappiness about no longer being a vampire he might actually put that genius head of his to work to find a way to purge John and capture the creature, if Druitt ever reappears. Making a wee home for an electrical elemental abnormal sounds right up his alley. ;)

suse
January 10th, 2010, 11:11 AM
@Alder:

Great, great idea! :D

SamJackShipper93
January 10th, 2010, 12:13 PM
So what exactly did John mean by "It's good to be home." I doubt that Helen was/is going to let him stay there, but even the empath picked up on it when she said "This will never be your home as long as you let this darkness control you". Is he just refering to wherever Helen is that's what he considers 'home'? :S

suse
January 10th, 2010, 12:14 PM
So what exactly did John mean by "It's good to be home." I doubt that Helen was/is going to let him stay there, but even the empath picked up on it when she said "This will never be your home as long as you let this darkness control you". Is he just refering to wherever Helen is that's what he considers 'home'? :S

I thought so. :( Poor John. Poor Helen.

EH-T
January 10th, 2010, 01:34 PM
i think, with John, he always had a dark side. (really, i think a lot of us do, but we either learn to control it or deny it or it never comes out for us).

i think the creature used that, exaggerated it and gave him the ability to give into his dark side.

I think helen will always wonder, how much of hte murders was john, how much was Lectro. After all, john went cabal hunting...and didn't seem possessed then. so how many murders were John, how many were Lectro?

helen will never know. even if John knows, can she trust anything he ever says?

Oh we know you have one Sky, hence the wet noodle of DOOM! :p

Mandysg1
January 10th, 2010, 02:50 PM
Oh we know you have one Sky, hence the wet noodle of DOOM! :p

:eek: It's been nice knowing you EH-T

*cue the melodramatic music*

:P

Skydiver
January 10th, 2010, 03:36 PM
do not make me angry

you wouldn't like me when i'm angry ;)

atlantis_babe34
January 10th, 2010, 04:22 PM
Just watched it.

can't say how sad i am right now lol... poor John i really felt for him in this episode.. and Helen.

sad Episode, very good tho :)

suse
January 10th, 2010, 06:12 PM
do not make me angry

you wouldn't like me when i'm angry ;)

Spinach noodles of doom....

Celandine
January 10th, 2010, 09:02 PM
Forgive if this was posted already. Thought it quite interesting, especially the part about John being gone for good or not that some have wondered about already here.

*Major Spoilers*

AT Previews Haunted (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/show-patrol/2010/01/sneak-peek-sanctuary-returns-jan-8-with-haunted.html)

AresLover452
January 10th, 2010, 09:45 PM
i thought they were going to kiss. :p


i would have loved that but i thought I would be pushing my luck for it... lol!! But the cheek caress wasn't really out of the realm. he had tried before with EON pt.1


what i loved about this episode was the John and helen stuff, they set up things that could happen and it was such a tease for John being... well John again. having the possibility that one day he could be at peace again and possibly have helen by his side again or since she is the strong woman, he would be by her side... lol!!

another thing I loved about this is the unease in which Jon had to deal with his peace of mind. he hadn't had that for 100 odd years and he really didn't know what do with it.

Inquisitor
January 11th, 2010, 12:28 AM
i actually spotted her in an early episode of 'atlantis' the other day as an athosian in 'suspicion'.


Haha, she is!

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3329/katems.jpg

Her voice is very different, I wonder why she changed it for Sanctuary? Maybe for her character's [Kate's] Chicago background?

I hope in the third season they improve their CGI.

Skydiver
January 11th, 2010, 04:06 AM
i'm not that fussed about the cgi...like they've said, they're not totally aiming for 'photo real', but more of a graphic novel type look

atlantis_babe34
January 11th, 2010, 04:50 AM
i like the fact that itsoent to be like a graphic novel.. its so different from everything else that's been done.. its refreshing :D

helenmagnus23
January 11th, 2010, 04:52 AM
I watched Haunted again i love this eps so much but it's so sad as well .

I loved the bit when John say's
John-''i love you ,Remeber that alway's , For all eternity''

I was in tears at that bit and i so wanted them to kiss:) fingers crossed for season 3 :)I have watched that scene over and over

I felt for John so much seeing this entity was inside him messing with his emotion's and action's i got a feeling watching the scene where he tolk it back the entity spoke then John was using all his willpower to hold it back , i hope they can find away to contain it and let John be himself again :)

Great eps i hope we get more Helen and John in season 3 :)

EH-T
January 11th, 2010, 06:32 AM
:eek: It's been nice knowing you EH-T

*cue the melodramatic music*

:P

Ooops. :o Sky knows I was only joking. Right Sky? Sky?


do not make me angry

you wouldn't like me when i'm angry ;)

:eek::eek::eek:


Spinach noodles of doom....

Actually I quite like spinach. :p

Celandine
January 11th, 2010, 07:57 AM
i'm not that fussed about the cgi...like they've said, they're not totally aiming for 'photo real', but more of a graphic novel type look

The poor CGI at times is very easy to spot, especially the scenes where the camera widens to take in a shot of a room/hallway for the viewer to gain the enormity of the Sanctuary. Usually there isn't much more than talking going on at these times, so perhaps the CGI is more easy to spot for me as my eye wanders around the screen. During the action sequences, I'm hardly aware of any CGI at all sometimes, but again, there's too much going on to even consider what might be fake or not.

mercy moon
January 11th, 2010, 08:31 AM
So what exactly did John mean by "It's good to be home." I doubt that Helen was/is going to let him stay there, but even the empath picked up on it when she said "This will never be your home as long as you let this darkness control you". Is he just refering to wherever Helen is that's what he considers 'home'? :S

'home is where the heart is' as the old saying goes ... john's heart is obviously still with helen and of course, the sanctuary was ashley's home as well.

Skydiver
January 11th, 2010, 09:25 AM
one reason for the cgi to 'fail' is in wide shots like you said, or hallway shots...cause it's hard to maintain proper depth of field when the background is a keyed in image

the other time is when the characters are holding flashlights and they are illuminated in a way that's not recreated in the background

DigiFluid
January 11th, 2010, 10:35 AM
Not too bad, but not stellar either. It was neat to see a lot of the Sanctuary, and I had to laugh at Will's reference to Die Hard. The story was generally rather well-paced too, it never dragged and I was surprised it was over so quickly. I loved seeing Druitt again, and/though I stand by what I said in the 2.10 thread about Helen being "last of the Five" as ridiculous. Hello, Druitt!

Bunch of stuff bugged me though: Kate (I grinned like an idiot when the elevator plunged and exploded--too bad she survived), overuse of split-screen (especially during Henry's hack), Will's super-slow-mo crawl away from fire flying through the vents, and the fact that the 'everyone is trapped in different parts of the base during lockdown' story was already done about 400 times by Atlantis.

Loved the ending though, poor Druitt :(

Celandine
January 11th, 2010, 10:41 AM
one reason for the cgi to 'fail' is in wide shots like you said, or hallway shots...cause it's hard to maintain proper depth of field when the background is a keyed in image

the other time is when the characters are holding flashlights and they are illuminated in a way that's not recreated in the background

I was majoring in Computer Graphics so I completely understand their difficulties with the wide shots. Haven't really noticed the flashlight scenes with their CGI though. Must be too much going on atm, I guess. Anyways, those moments don't last long so I don't really mind. Besides, I know what steps they're taking to be original in the use of green screen for many of their scenes so I highly applaud their ingenuity. IMO, as technology improves, as it always does, these 'fail' moments will be less and less noticeable.

jckfan55
January 11th, 2010, 02:11 PM
Good ep. My only minor complaint is that I always like more Helen/Druitt stuff. :) But what we got made sense in the context. CH & AT are great together.

Kate and Bigfoot make a good team.

I'm wondering whether Druitt (sheer speculation) will still be back --maybe he'll have been in the same "energy field world" or something as Ash?

Falcon Horus
January 11th, 2010, 02:29 PM
Just watched it ... finally. And thought it was an average episode - not too boring, but not moving forward either.

However, one thing that was made of pure win this episode - Kate and Bigfoot in the elevator. :D :lol:

AresLover452
January 11th, 2010, 02:31 PM
Good ep. My only minor complaint is that I always like more Helen/Druitt stuff. :) But what we got made sense in the context. CH & AT are great together.





AT and CH are amazing to watch as John and Helen. Not for shipper reasons, but the level of acting they have for the characters comes off really well.

Mandysg1
January 11th, 2010, 02:45 PM
AT and CH are amazing to watch as John and Helen. Not for shipper reasons, but the level of acting they have for the characters comes off really well.

:indeed: These two characters certainly have chemisty, whether he's trying to help her or kill her ;)

AresLover452
January 11th, 2010, 03:09 PM
:indeed: These two characters certainly have chemisty, whether he's trying to help her or kill her ;)

It is interesting to watch, that is why i love HAUNTED.

The Chemistry is through the roof, and well you can see the love that was there, still there. Poor helen, having the possibility of getting John back, then he takes that malevolent force back into his body.... Oh the angst and sadness.

Alder
January 11th, 2010, 03:15 PM
Oh the angst and sadness.
In fact, it should've been called "Haunted: Oh, the angst and sadness...":(

atlantis_babe34
January 11th, 2010, 04:00 PM
Now when i think back on the episode, there wasn't really thank much interaction between H/J, as i thought there would have been.. little bit dissipointed, as i wanted to know more about their back story and was hoping it was told in this one, but none th eless i'm happy that Druitt was back :D

Skydiver
January 11th, 2010, 04:15 PM
druitt's fate wasn't the same as ash's

ash teleported while the EM shield was up, so she - theoretically - splatted on the iris

on the other hand, druitt teleported without a destination in mind...he did the equivalent of randomly dialing hte gate and stepping through, with no idea where he was going or if he'd even make it there

atlantis_babe34
January 11th, 2010, 04:31 PM
druitt's fate wasn't the same as ash's

ash teleported while the EM shield was up, so she - theoretically - splatted on the iris
on the other hand, druitt teleported without a destination in mind...he did the equivalent of randomly dialing hte gate and stepping through, with no idea where he was going or if he'd even make it there

Loverly Imagery there Sky :P

AresLover452
January 11th, 2010, 04:55 PM
In fact, it should've been called "Haunted: Oh, the angst and sadness...":(



At least we now know what has Haunted him for so long.

maylet
January 11th, 2010, 05:10 PM
I just saw the episode, my God poor John

And God how much people she loves and cares about is Helen going to lose? How is she going to keep going when she's loosing everybody she loves?

It's just so sad.

The episode was good, I like it. It just made me feel so sad

AresLover452
January 11th, 2010, 05:12 PM
This show does have a habit of making people sad, but that is the nature of some shows.

Poor John was what i was saying all through this episode and so was my Best Friend.

SamJackShipper93
January 11th, 2010, 05:52 PM
druitt's fate wasn't the same as ash's

ash teleported while the EM shield was up, so she - theoretically - splatted on the iris

on the other hand, druitt teleported without a destination in mind...he did the equivalent of randomly dialing hte gate and stepping through, with no idea where he was going or if he'd even make it there

Very nice analogy! :)


I just saw the episode, my God poor John

And God how much people she loves and cares about is Helen going to lose? How is she going to keep going when she's loosing everybody she loves?

It's just so sad.

The episode was good, I like it. It just made me feel so sad

Yeah, I've decide that this show has one sole purpose. To test just how far Magnus's sanity meter can reach. :p

But seriously, Ashley, Jimmy, John . . . even Clara, who was her sole link to Nigel Griffin. :(

AresLover452
January 11th, 2010, 05:57 PM
Yeah, I've decide that this show has one sole purpose. To test just how far Magnus's sanity meter can reach. :p

But seriously, Ashley, Jimmy, John . . . even Clara, who was her sole link to Nigel Griffin. :(


you forgot James Watson.... and yes her sanity is being pushed to the limits. how much more before she snaps?

SamJackShipper93
January 11th, 2010, 06:17 PM
you forgot James Watson.... and yes her sanity is being pushed to the limits. how much more before she snaps?

Oh gosh, of course! James too! :(

I don't know, but Magnus snapping is just not something that I want to witness. How about TPTB stop killing off/making characters disappear.

AresLover452
January 11th, 2010, 07:13 PM
Oh gosh, of course! James too! :(

I don't know, but Magnus snapping is just not something that I want to witness. How about TPTB stop killing off/making characters disappear.


that would be nice, but I would settle for watching John come back into Helen's life.

suse
January 11th, 2010, 07:44 PM
Will's super-slow-mo crawl away from fire flying through the vents, and the fact that the 'everyone is trapped in different parts of the base during lockdown' story was already done about 400 times by Atlantis.



It's not just Atlantis that did it. Almost every sci-fi show has done it. As they said in the podcast it's an easy bottle show. At least early on they found a way to talk to each other, that's more than most :P

maylet
January 11th, 2010, 07:45 PM
I study psychologist and I can't stop myself for analyzing Helen and I always think, My God this women is going to snap and when she does I hope she's not alone. I mean we know she's strong, we don't need any other prove of how stron she is. I think is good for her to have Will in her life, he's going to know how to help her, but it's just too much

DigiFluid
January 11th, 2010, 07:45 PM
It's not just Atlantis that did it. Almost every sci-fi show has done it. As they said in the podcast it's an easy bottle show. At least early on they found a way to talk to each other, that's more than most :P

No of course not, but it's just such a tired story that it makes me wonder why they'd even bother with it (particularly considering at least two of them were involved in SGA).

suse
January 11th, 2010, 08:01 PM
No of course not, but it's just such a tired story that it makes me wonder why they'd even bother with it (particularly considering at least two of them were involved in SGA).


I just figure they're character pieces and enjoy them for what they are. It's all in the interactions. Now if there were talking replicators and such... ;)

I enjoyed it more than some other eps this season. :)

suse

Inquisitor
January 11th, 2010, 09:58 PM
ash teleported while the EM shield was up, so she - theoretically - splatted on the iris



Maybe the EM shield propelled her through space like a ship in hyperspace near a supernova? :P She could still be alive! :o

Chelle DB
January 11th, 2010, 10:03 PM
Just gonna post my thoughts really quickly - I loved this episode. I loved the interaction between Biggie and Kate...too cute! I too wanna know who he mates with once every five years. :P Kate was awesome with Biggie!
I adore the Helen/John relationship. I honestly do not think this is the end of John or their relationship...it's clear that they both still love each other. And now that Helen knows more about John's affliction, I think she'll be more sympathetic to him in the future...so yes, I believe he will return. I don't think he's dead at all. I mean. I'm hopeful that Ashley is still alive but I feel more confident about John's return than I do with Ashley...which still leaves me broken hearted!
I certainly wasn't disappointed with it in the slightest. Will was kinda ok. Henry...well I do adore him! But the whole John/Helen thing...please sir...I want some more! :D

Celandine
January 12th, 2010, 12:20 AM
druitt's fate wasn't the same as ash's

ash teleported while the EM shield was up, so she - theoretically - splatted on the iris

on the other hand, druitt teleported without a destination in mind...he did the equivalent of randomly dialing hte gate and stepping through, with no idea where he was going or if he'd even make it there

Vaporized...same thing.

I thought what John meant by, 'I have no destination in mind...' was that it mattered little where he went, but he wouldn't be doing anything foolhardy though that would get himself killed (ie teleporting somewhere potentially dangerous). I think he WANTS to come back some day.

Or perhaps I'm reading too much into his words. *shrug*

helenmagnus23
January 12th, 2010, 01:19 AM
Originally Posted by Skydiver
druitt's fate wasn't the same as ash's

ash teleported while the EM shield was up, so she - theoretically - splatted on the iris

on the other hand, druitt teleported without a destination in mind...he did the equivalent of randomly dialing hte gate and stepping through, with no idea where he was going or if he'd even make it there


Originally posted by Celandine
Vaporized...same thing.

I thought what John meant by, 'I have no destination in mind...' was that it mattered little where he went, but he wouldn't be doing anything foolhardy though that would get himself killed (ie teleporting somewhere potentially dangerous). I think he WANTS to come back some day.

Or perhaps I'm reading too much into his words. *shrug*

I have watched that scene over and over and the immpression i got was when John said ''I have no destination in mind'' that was him in control a little but as he was about to teleport the entity tolk control over him again which is why he had that evil smile the same in Webisode 4 .

I'm thinking even at the last moment no matter what Druitt Thought no destination the moment before he teleports i'm thinking what if the entity inside him tought of a destination ? could that be possible ?

Chelle DB
January 12th, 2010, 02:44 AM
you forgot James Watson.... and yes her sanity is being pushed to the limits. how much more before she snaps?
That's how I think too. How much more can she take FCOL. Just look at the toll that we've witnessed -
Watson - dead
Clara - dead
Ashley - presumed dead
Eric - dead
Tesla - changed
John - missing
Plus all those at the Sanctuaries that were attacked by the Cabal.
I know she's lived long but even the strongest sometime must fall. It's just getting too much...how does she stay sane? How does she cope?

I thought what John meant by, 'I have no destination in mind...' was that it mattered little where he went, but he wouldn't be doing anything foolhardy though that would get himself killed (ie teleporting somewhere potentially dangerous). I think he WANTS to come back some day.

Or perhaps I'm reading too much into his words. *shrug*
That's exactly how I interpreted it. I don't believe for one minute that he's dead. In "Sleepers" Helen doesn't say he's dead but...what was it she said he was? She never used the word dead so my guess is he's just missing for now.

kes
January 12th, 2010, 03:32 AM
Thou I really like this ep I want one where's just Helen/John.
They didnt have enough scenes together. And it needed a kiss :p lol

Skydiver
January 12th, 2010, 03:46 AM
remember in the beginning? when he's teleporting to the ship? there's the woman missing and helen says something about her being in the infirmary. john says something about 'teleporting without a specific destination in mind isn't a good thing' (i'd have to rewatch it to get exactly what he says)

however, my impression is, he needs to KNOW where he's going, so he can end up there. and if he doesn't know, he could end up materializing in solid rock, or under water or outside a sky scraper....etc.

since he had no destination, and if the creature didn't have a destination in mind, there was the chance that they'd materialize badly...or maybe he hoped to lose the creature that way.

I think he felt, if he teleported with a specific destination and place in mind, he'd make it easy for the creature to continue to use him and easy for him to survive. but, while he was willing to take the creature out of the sanctuary to save others, he didn't want to willingly harbor it any longer. so if he or it died... no biggie.

because, had he taken care when teleporting, he'd have been helping the creature, and he didn't want to do that anymore

helenmagnus23
January 12th, 2010, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by kes
Thou I really like this ep I want one where's just Helen/John.
They didnt have enough scenes together. And it needed a kiss lol

I'm so with you on that kes :) it would be great to have an eps just Helen and John :)
They totaly should have kissed maybe well get lucky in season 3 :)

Falcon Horus
January 12th, 2010, 09:17 AM
Why will Helen snap?

She'll outlive them all eventually... at least she would have Ashley, and Clara. And Will, Henry, Kate... and all the other normals and abnormals with a lifespan comparable to normals.

It's not who dies - it's how they go, I imagine that might have her snap along the line.

hisg1fans
January 12th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Why will Helen snap?

She'll outlive them all eventually... at least she would have Ashley, and Clara. And Will, Henry, Kate... and all the other normals and abnormals with a lifespan comparable to normals.

It's not who dies - it's how they go, I imagine that might have her snap along the line.

Good question.

I've also been wondering to what does the title "Haunted" refer?

1) Helen being haunted by the fact she will out live everyone she knows and loves.

2) Helen being haunted knowing one of her closest friends is fully capable of killing her and anyone else he chooses.

3) John being haunted by his compulsion.

4) An entity haunting John, or the Sanctuary, or the ship, or those who transport.

5) Any or all of the above.

This then lead to wonder if the "entity" (Electro or whatever they called it) could have been Ashley. Maybe she is trying to get back to this world and only her "bad" side succeeded in coming back through John and his bad side.

Great episode to stir up so many questions ! :)

Celandine
January 12th, 2010, 10:21 AM
remember in the beginning? when he's teleporting to the ship? there's the woman missing and helen says something about her being in the infirmary. john says something about 'teleporting without a specific destination in mind isn't a good thing' (i'd have to rewatch it to get exactly what he says)

however, my impression is, he needs to KNOW where he's going, so he can end up there. and if he doesn't know, he could end up materializing in solid rock, or under water or outside a sky scraper....etc.

since he had no destination, and if the creature didn't have a destination in mind, there was the chance that they'd materialize badly...or maybe he hoped to lose the creature that way.

I think he felt, if he teleported with a specific destination and place in mind, he'd make it easy for the creature to continue to use him and easy for him to survive. but, while he was willing to take the creature out of the sanctuary to save others, he didn't want to willingly harbor it any longer. so if he or it died... no biggie.

because, had he taken care when teleporting, he'd have been helping the creature, and he didn't want to do that anymore

I get what your trying to say and your theory makes sense. If he had a destination in mind, then your saying the creature would continue to force it's control over his mind and body. At the end of Haunted, your saying he didn't care if he lived or died? Hmm, maybe that is what he meant by his parting, 'I love you. For all eternity...' assurance to Helen in case he wasn't able to ever return.

Does John know every place in the entire world? I mean, can he know the make of the land and any changes (whether climatic, seismic, man-made, etc...) that might have occurred? Even if he was there before? I think John runs the risk every time he teleports of potentially materializing someplace that could be physically dangerous.

Perhaps he needs only a loose idea of where to teleport (Serengeti Plain, NY downtown alleyway, Himalayas, etc...). Somewhere so physically broad and unspecific, but close enough to where he needs to be.

jckfan55
January 12th, 2010, 12:52 PM
^well, "for all eternity" was what he said back when they were first getting engaged. so he still feels that way (when the entity isn't in charge ;) ). I loved how he blurted out "I love you" in the middle of the whole thing.

I think it's left pretty open as to what happened to Druitt. I took the "no destination in mind" to mean that he knew there was a good chance of getting killed. On the other hand, would the entity die with him? he may have to keep it to keep in under some control. Lots of possibilities for the future.

It was a little hackneyed to have people locked in an elevator, etc. But I thought they did it pretty well. One of the best moments, imho, was when Magnus realizes she's just been locked in with EvilDruitt. Great look on AT's face--not overblown fear, but definitely an "oh crap" moment. ;)

Skydiver
January 12th, 2010, 01:17 PM
i would think, if john were shown a photo of the top of the empire state building and though 'ok, i'm going here' then he teleports there.

i would imagine that there's some risk,but i would also imagine that teh old rule of entrophy (two things cannot occupy the same space at the same time) would come into play and the force of him popping in would push aside any minor obstructions.

however, if john thought 'pop on over to china'....well where in china will he show up?

Falcon Horus
January 12th, 2010, 01:20 PM
however, if john thought 'pop on over to china'....well where in china will he show up?

In the middle of it? :cool:

Matt G
January 12th, 2010, 01:46 PM
1. Didn't really want Druitt to go back to being completely evil but the way it played out worked.

2. "Let's get together...hit the coast..." *groans*

3. Was surprised none of the empaths could speak a word of English.

4. Druitt's history best I can tell!:(

Allright but not the best.

AresLover452
January 12th, 2010, 10:46 PM
Thou I really like this ep I want one where's just Helen/John.
They didnt have enough scenes together. And it needed a kiss :p lol


I love the way you are thinking. Maybe on the Deleted Scenes (if we get any on the DVD's) there will be a kiss they cut from the airing eppy. their goodbye seemed.... not enough.

LunaSolTierra
January 13th, 2010, 01:10 AM
Overall a great episode, one of the best of season 2. Kate and Bigfoot were very funny. the scenes with Druitt and Helen were very intense. I like that despite being at a disadvantage they manage to work together, though I feel bad for Druitt. Finding that Druitt has been hijacked for more than a century and not have a clue about was a great twist to the story.

jckfan55
January 13th, 2010, 08:47 AM
I love the way you are thinking. Maybe on the Deleted Scenes (if we get any on the DVD's) there will be a kiss they cut from the airing eppy. their goodbye seemed.... not enough.

I think that may have been the point. They have this great love, but he's evil, or is he? & then they're in a crisis--no time...if only...
much more affecting without a kiss, imho

atlantis_babe34
January 13th, 2010, 03:59 PM
Why will Helen snap?

She'll outlive them all eventually... at least she would have Ashley, and Clara. And Will, Henry, Kate... and all the other normals and abnormals with a lifespan comparable to normals.

It's not who dies - it's how they go, I imagine that might have her snap along the line.

I'd think she wouldn;t outlive Ashley.. Obviously Ashley's "powers" were hidden in here Genes, but she is the daughters of two abnormals, both whom have longevity, so one would assume that she has it as well.. IMO.




I think that may have been the point. They have this great love, but he's evil, or is he? & then they're in a crisis--no time...if only...
much more affecting without a kiss, imho

ITA. more tension wihtout a Kiss. if he had grabbed her and did it "suprisingly" the tension would have lasted but i think as soon as 2 characters Kiss the tension flies out the window so to speak and they become boring.

jckfan55
January 14th, 2010, 06:18 AM
I listened to the podcast. I have to say that again I agree with Damien (and in this one CH) versus MW in their sort of argument about Druitt's motivation for taking back the energy being. Sometimes I wonder what planet Martin's on.

Alder
January 14th, 2010, 10:24 AM
I listened to the podcast. I have to say that again I agree with Damien (and in this one CH) versus MW in their sort of argument about Druitt's motivation for taking back the energy being. Sometimes I wonder what planet Martin's on.
I'm curious, what was said...?

kes
January 14th, 2010, 12:10 PM
After listening to the podcast I realise MW is not a romantic lol
I loved how DK and CH were totally "agaisnt" him lol

Alder
January 14th, 2010, 12:16 PM
...still curious...:D

AresLover452
January 14th, 2010, 04:39 PM
After listening to the podcast I realise MW is not a romantic lol
I loved how DK and CH were totally "agaisnt" him lol


I love that too and the POD cast was awesome and funny!!


...still curious...:D


http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/includes/podcasts/mp3/211/sanctuary_episode211_commentary.mp3

here is the POD cast for you so you don't have to go searching. It is very very good.

EvenstarSRV
January 14th, 2010, 07:48 PM
...still curious...:D

From what I can remember (and anyone feel free to correct me, I heard this podcast while driving on icy roads :eek: :) )

DK and CH were saying that they believe Druitt chose to take the entity back because he loves Helen, so he chose to sacrifice his new-found sanity in order to save her. MW believes that Druitt did it because he loves the killing the entity drove him to, that he couldn't wait to get back to that.

Personally, I'm with DK and CH. :)

AresLover452
January 14th, 2010, 07:55 PM
From what I can remember (and anyone feel free to correct me, I heard this podcast while driving on icy roads :eek: :) )

DK and CH were saying that they believe Druitt chose to take the entity back because he loves Helen, so he chose to sacrifice his new-found sanity in order to save her. MW believes that Druitt did it because he loves the killing the entity drove him to, that he couldn't wait to get back to that.

Personally, I'm with DK and CH. :)




That is basically what I got out of it. CH said that Druitt was uncomfortable with the peace, the calm in his mind. Maybe they are both right but I am more inclined to go with DK and CH interpretations... cause I shp for Helen and john... lol!!

Alder
January 15th, 2010, 02:45 AM
From what I can remember (and anyone feel free to correct me, I heard this podcast while driving on icy roads :eek: :) )

DK and CH were saying that they believe Druitt chose to take the entity back because he loves Helen, so he chose to sacrifice his new-found sanity in order to save her. MW believes that Druitt did it because he loves the killing the entity drove him to, that he couldn't wait to get back to that.
Personally, I'm with DK and CH. :)


That is basically what I got out of it. CH said that Druitt was uncomfortable with the peace, the calm in his mind. Maybe they are both right but I am more inclined to go with DK and CH interpretations... cause I shp for Helen and john... lol!!
Aaah...grazie. :)
Yup, on what we *actually saw*, I'd agree with the two of you, there was nothing given to us that suggested Druitt was awkward or uncomfortable with how he felt, but instead that he was enjoying the peace. [Aaaaaand, I listened to the very end of the podcast while I was typing this up, and if that's what MW was aiming for - he failed dramatically. Eejit.] My impression was much more that Druitt was pained by the necessity of what he had to do for Helen (and the others) to live.
Also, to be honest - it's the better story, and makes more sense. :P

AresLover452
January 15th, 2010, 11:59 AM
that's why I love this episode so much. What Druitt did was a sacrafice for the greater good, but his personal sacrafice would be losing that calm he had gained when Helen accidentaly saved him.

JenniferJF
January 15th, 2010, 04:14 PM
I think that may have been the point. They have this great love, but he's evil, or is he? & then they're in a crisis--no time...if only...
much more affecting without a kiss, imhoI think Helen - in the years since everything went down - had come to the point where she really believed (sort of as she tells John at the beginning of EoN2) that John wasn't capable of love - that if he had ever really loved her, he wouldn't have succumbed to the compulsion and bloodlust and killed. This is why I think in Kush after her inititial memory of his proposal, the next time he says, "For all eternity" it's rather mocking and is a painful memory for her.. she doubts his emotions were *ever* real. And I think John knows that, too, from her actions, which is why before he goes in to lose himself again he *has* to tell her he still loves her and make certain she knows he *meant* it when he told her 'For all eternity'. And I think it's only then.. seeing him there about to sacrifice everything he is.. that she finally understands and believes again.

So they couldn't kiss. They couldn't even touch because, I think, if they had, he wouldn't have had the strength to go and, more importantly, given the huge revelation she'd *just* had, she wouldn't have had the strength to maintain her control and let him do what had to be done.

Her final words to him, too, I think show the complete reversal of her thoughts on this. Because where before she seemed to blame him in part for everything that had happened - some propensity for violence and bloodshed - now she realizes that, given being out of John and in the Sanctuary resulted in near mass murder, not simply serial killings, that John must have been exerting incredible control on the thing all these years to prevent even *more* bloodshed and death. He wasn't the evil villain she'd believed and feared him to be all these years but, really, the hero of the story who'd kept the evil at bay.

And he was, really, sacrificing himself again to continue to do so. And his final words to her there before the door... that he loved her.. that was his explanation of why. It was also begging her, I think, not to forget that he still did love her no matter what happened in the future.

/end essay

:o

But to summarize... They couldn't kiss - or even touch - because what he was about to go do was already hard enough. Further contact would have made it nearly impossible.

IMHO. Of course.

Aurora24
January 19th, 2010, 11:35 AM
This episode was so sad, especially since I was hoping that John would stay good John. The reason behind him being compelled to kill being an energy creature was a shock, but it reminded me of something he'd said to Watson at the end of the last season. He'd told Watson that when he'd been killing he felt like he was in the grip of an "irresistible force". Turns out he was right.

I kinda saw the ending coming, and I agree with what DK and CH said about John's reason for taking back the creature. He loves Helen, and he knew it was the only way to save her. The ending reminded me of the ending of an episode of Charmed where one of the guys temporarily lost the demonic powers that made him evil, but took them back to save the woman he loved. Love is a strong motivator to make that kind of personal sacrifice. I really hope they don't kill John off. It was left kind of open given that John stated at the beginning of the ep that its dangerous to teleport without knowing where he's going.

If John survived I wonder if it would be possibly to catch him, draw the creature out of him and contain or destroy it. We know it'll abandon its host body if that body dies, so if Henry could rig some kind of trap, they could briefly kill him and bring him back. Part of me would love to see this happen and then see what John would be like sane and trying to adjust after everything that had happened.

ann_sgcfan
January 19th, 2010, 12:41 PM
There seems to be some dilemma regarding what was shown in the eppy. I think the episode shows the creature is the reason for John's madness and he was enjoying the peace and sanity once the creature left (which according to some above that's what DK and CH said in the podcast - Which only really matters because of how s3 will be written. I'm of the belief, I don't like to be told what I saw. I want the episode to stand on it's on and writer's/director's don't interpret what I was suppose to see).

I do wonder if this will ignite the creature into more killings, as this creature seems more powerful as it gained lots of info from the Sanctuary database. Will the creature be even harder to stop now? John has never been able to control it without some sort of shock therapy or death causing the creature to leave him. This episode does seem to ask more question than answer and it also re-writes what we know about John's power.

Will Helen second guess herself now that she knows the creature was responsible for the killings and not his teleporting power driving him mad. She had made the wrong assumption, will she look at the more aggressive creatures differently? Will Henry develop a device to detect this type of creature in the future? How does Helen feel knowing it wasn't John's madness, but that her one time finance has been tormented and controlled by a vicious creature for more than a century.

helenmagnus23
January 20th, 2010, 01:13 AM
I've been thinking if the entity chooses not to leave John's body couldnt there be away to supres it like in Pennance that other abnormal who had dangerouis anger issues ?

I loved this eps alot but i'd love to have seen a kiss becase we havent seen a kiss scince the webisodes :) it would be nice to one again wether it be in a flashback or know :)

Podcast
I loved the listening to DK,CH &MW it was so cool but iin them disscusing John taking the entity back i'd have to agree with DK & CH becase like Ares i'm a shipper and the way i saw that scene was John sacraficing himself not only to save Helen but the Sanctuary as well . I think John know's Helen will try to find away to save him but when and how we will have to wait and see and hopefully there will be a kiss somewhere in there :)

Alder
January 20th, 2010, 02:38 AM
There seems to be some dilemma regarding what was shown in the eppy. I think the episode shows the creature is the reason for John's madness and he was enjoying the peace and sanity once the creature left...
I'd have to agree with you there. If the writer/director was actually going for Druitt being pleased about going back to evicerating innocent women for the lulz then they failed. I just didn't see that at all.

And frankly, "Good man tormented by evil creature to the point that he believes in his own evil" is just a better story than "Bad man finds an excuse to be bad."


How does Helen feel knowing it wasn't John's madness, but that her one time finance has been tormented and controlled by a vicious creature for more than a century.
This too makes for a much better question than "So, will the bad dude turn up again and do more bad stuff?" :D

I want to know - once the events of Kali have been dealt with, of course! - how Helen will deal with this. Will they try to prepare for Druitt's possible return? Could she twist Tesla's arm and have him put that brilliant mind (which, frankly, he's been wasting for the last 70 or 80 years on the whole 'restore the vampires' thing) to work on a solution? He's supposed to be the inventor, after all... Are they going to see Druitt as a victim, someone they should save, or will the writers go for the easy option of him being a dangerous villain that the Sanctuary needs to be protected from?

...or did they miss all this potential for interesting storylines and did just kill him off. Hope not.

JenniferJF
January 20th, 2010, 03:59 AM
I'd have to agree with you there. If the writer/director was actually going for Druitt being pleased about going back to evicerating innocent women for the lulz then they failed. I just didn't see that at all.Well, according to the podcast, only MW had that opinion he enjoyed it -really - and wanted it back. And PdL directed this one. And I agree with both you and Ann, what I saw onscreen was awestruck joyous relief when he realized he hadn't been responsible for everything that had happened and he was himself again. CH and DK described him as a tragic hero who chose to sacrifice his humanity for the woman he loved. Which is what I see onscreen.
And frankly, "Good man tormented by evil creature to the point that he believes in his own evil" is just a better story than "Bad man finds an excuse to be bad."Absolutly. It's just a brilliant idea, IMHO. Effectively turning the villain into a hero in 44 mins of television. Plus, he becomes in many ways a victim of the creature himself because it took away his life and everything he held dear as well. Though, considering he kept it under control to the extent it was a serial killer instead of the mass murderer it attempted to become in the Sanctuary, he isn't simply a victim.

And how ironic is it that the Sanctuary, much of which was designed to protect Helen (and Ashley) from John was, ultimately, more dangerous than John and, in the end, John had to protect her from the Sanctuary?


or will the writers go for the easy option of him being a dangerous villain that the Sanctuary needs to be protected from?Whatever they chose to do, I'm betting it won't be this. Nothing about this show is easy and they seem intent on making the boldest storytelling decisions possible.


...or did they miss all this potential for interesting storylines and did just kill him off. Hope not.I doubt it here... I'd think killing both Ashley and Druitt off would destroy too many ties to the core of who Helen is and her past. Plus it's really easy to simply say, "The creature chose a destination" or "he managed to land somewhere safe" and go from there without damaging the drama of Haunted's final few moments.

Skydiver
January 20th, 2010, 04:00 AM
I think john had been under the influence of the creature for so long that he believed that he was evil. he believed that he was a murderer, that he was a monster.

when tesla 'imprisoned' it with the electricity (must not have killed it or john would have felt it being gone) john likely thought 'ok, so some shock therapy and i don't feel like murdering for a while, cool'.

it was only when the entity left him did he realize and maybe have confirmation of old, old memories that he wasn't evil, that it was the creature either making him or pushing him to slice and dice. he was like a prisoner, accidentally dropped off at a park who then had to choose to return to the prison to save the life of another.

i do think that he accepted Electro back, aware that Helen now knew about it and that - if he survived - she'd work to help him get free.

they will likely never be more than friends. I don't think she'll ever trust him enough to allow him into her life or bed, but she would try to free him

so he goes back to his prison with the hope that someone, sometime, just might find a key

JenniferJF
January 20th, 2010, 04:14 AM
I agree with nearly everything you said except these two points:
they will likely never be more than friends. I don't think she'll ever trust him enough to allow him into her life or bed, but she would try to free him.I'm not sure they could ever just be friends. Too many emotions there, both currently and in the past, and too much tension for them to settle into that. IMHO, of course. And while Helen's words spoke distrust, I think her actions and body language by the end of Haunted said she really did believe him and trust him again. So I can see, over time (lots of time, which they'd have ;) ) her coming to fully trust him again. Not saying they *would* just that, before Haunted I'd have said it was impossible but now, knowing it was all just the creature, I think it just might be.

Though it of course depends on how and if they get the creature out of him and, as with everything on this show, it's all subject to change without notice.
so he goes back to his prison with the hope that someone, sometime, just might find a keyI think at the very end of the episode, and after Helen told him she realized he'd kept the creature at bay, John managed to get control again just enough to make the decision to teleport without a destination - effectively, IMHO, choosing to try for death and to destroy the creature within him rather than risk it's doing any more harm to anyone. Which is, tragically, the same thing Ashley did in nearly that exact same physical location in front of Helen only a short time earlier.

So I'm not sure he'd thought out the idea when he first did it so far as to hope that Helen (or someone) would be able to free him again so much as that he realized, whatever happened, at least everyone but him would be better off with the creature back in him. Which is why when he saw a chance to try to destroy the creature, even though it meant killing himself, he took it.

Skydiver
January 20th, 2010, 04:21 AM
he did try to kill it. and we'll have to wait until s3 sometime to see if he succeeded or not.

or maybe he was hoping, if he ported with no destination, that the creature might 'get lost' in transit

ann_sgcfan
January 20th, 2010, 02:12 PM
he did try to kill it. and we'll have to wait until s3 sometime to see if he succeeded or not.

or maybe he was hoping, if he ported with no destination, that the creature might 'get lost' in transit

I'm hoping it's not that easy. The creature seemed to be pretty intelligent as it locked everyone in at the Sanctuary, so I can't see it allowing John to teleport to some location that would cause the creature any harm. As Alder said I do want Helen, Tesla and co. to help save John and not think of him as someone that has to be stopped. I think/ hope we are past the John "is evil and must be stopped" bit. John is like any other abnormal that has been trapped against his will for over a century!

JenniferJF
January 25th, 2010, 04:27 AM
Just dropping back here to recommend a new Haunted related fic which I think beautifully describes and explains what John might have been going through with the creature. I wouldn't normally rec a fic here, but in this case, I think a 'picture' is worth a thousand words. Now, granted, I'm biased cause the writer's my friend and mutual-beta, but still...

Malorum Est on LJ (http://astraper-aspera.livejournal.com/11703.html) of ffnet (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5693023/1/Malorum_Est)

Mousie
January 25th, 2010, 06:27 AM
Loved the episode, loved it. I so love all the mixed emotions between John and Helen. I thought that they dealt with it all in a very good manner, that some questions have been answered but at the same time everything is still open. It could all go in any direction still. Is John alive or dead (Alive I hope), was he responsible for the murders or was it the creature, how long has it been in him? Personally I think as others have said that whilst the creature is the driving force behind the murders that it was embracing something already in John.

I truely hope he's back for S3.

Thank's for the link Jennifer, I like that author and will enjoy reading it.

Rocky89
February 23rd, 2010, 04:38 PM
I finally saw it, and it was really good, I'm impressed yet again, which isn't hard for the show to do. ;)

I liked how the episode started off with Helen speaking a different language, I thought that was cool, and I like seeing Helen teaching Kate how to speak it. :D It was great seeing Druitt, and I like how it started off him saving lives, as apposed to ending them. :D I also thought the Will and Henry scene was cute. :p

It was creepy seeing John kill that lady, and I liked how Helen came at him with a gun, but what I REALLY didn't like seeing was him hitting her twice like that. :( But I'm glad she got him down with that laser gun of hers. I thought it was sweet of her to try and save his life, to me it shows she still has a place for him in her heart.

I loved the big revelation that all this time it was that creature inside him that turned him into Jack the ripper, and even though it was for a brief period of time, I was happy that he was free and that Helen had the man she loves back. I liked how everyone interact with each other and how they each had a role in fixing the problem, and I loved how Henry proved that he's still the tech master of the Sanctuary. ;)

I'll review more in replies. :) Just like I always do. :p

Rocky89
February 25th, 2010, 04:00 PM
Wow! Loved it but I need to watch a second time before posting anything truly coherentA. :D

Very angsty!

"for all eternity" *sobs*:(

I loved that line too. :(


wow

ok, so, they've explained John's madness. he's an innocent man, possessed by an abnormal that has forced him to murder and kill.

props to them for calling back to the webbie and actually explaining John's madness. And the comment at the end of sleepers makes more sense now.

helen's 'i'm the last'

interesting though, john can certainly return, although his 'i have no destination in mind' calls back to the first part of the eps, where he alleuded to 'teleportation without a destination is dangerous' comment

he repeated ashley's fate. although she teleported knowing that the em pulse would kill her, he teleported, with no destination, perhaps hoping that he'd never rematerialize, or that he'd lose the creature in the jump

a good, 'cheap' bottle episode

I still can't believe that now we know that it was because of that strange abnormal that John is the way he is. Wow, talk about a revelation. And I agree with the spoiler.


This episode was just beyond great! From the beginning, just seeing Druitt trying to hide how he'd gone evil again, and I still couldn't believe it when he killed the empath :eek: Then the fight with Helen...wonderful work on everyone's part there. The action the reactions during this whole episode were just wonderful. And then the heart break...Helen finally has the real John back, and he sacrifices himself taking on the entity once more.

The big question at the end of show....where did John go; did he go to commit suicide or will we see 'Jack' back again?????

I know for myself I love the character whether he be evil or good, he is one of the best characters on the show.

Agreed on everything you said. I know I've said this a few times, but what I love about this show is that it always keeps you guessing, I don't know what's going to happen and I like that. Everyone did a great job and I know we'll see more in S3. :)


It's so tragic that for the second time we're supposed to believe that John's cured, and just when we become certain that it's the Entity that's doing all of the dirty work, it has to go back into him!

I felt so bad for him, but at least for a brief time he was free and Helen had the man she loves back. But you kinda don't expect him to stay cured, I'm mean the show is still young and him being Jack the ripper is what a lot of fans love. Maybe one day he'll be free forever, but not yet.


A totally totally good and awesome episode. 9/10

That fight was really painful to watch and you couldn’t stop to feel bad for Helen since she is the one “killing” John.

Henry was really good; fighting the entity and reclaiming his “turf “was funny good.

Will almost burn to a crisp LOL

Kate is growing more every time, she is funny in a way and she has some kind of chemistry with all the team.

Helen and John; my hat’s off to them; they can do mushy, loving, hateful and aghast in just seconds.

So what now? Where’s he gone? And Helen can’t rest a second she is losing them and she is feeling it.

Only complain; that last scene when they are in front of the lab’s door; that scene looked awkward, I guess the green screen didn’t do what it was suppose too.

This is it so far there are lots I can talk about but need to see it again.

It was hard seeing them fight because I don't like seeing Helen get hit :(, but seeing her shoot John and him trying to kill her was intense. And I loved seeing Henry and the abnormal go at it, no one messes with Henry.


awesome episode! I am glad that druitt is innocent. Hopefully, they intend to free him one day forever of this parasite. Druitt kinda reminds me of what peter parker ,aka spiderman, would be like if the symbiote venom had taken him over completly.

When you said 'parasite', I thought of a Goa'uld. :D



the entire line nearly made me cry... nearly.

John: I love you. For all eternity. Remember that...

For like a split second I thought Sane John was going to reach out and caress her cheek.


In my deluded mind I thought he was going to kiss her

I also thought they were going to kiss, but again, it's probably too soon for that. But the cheek idea could have worked. :)


I loved this episode (but not as much as Sleepers xD), I was a little dissapointed that John became good while they were enclosed together xD That's why I LOVED THE BEGINING! I love Jack not John! But I guess, it was good to see his good part.

OMG, poor Will xD I was scared for him as for Kate and Bigfoot, and I liked Kate in this episode, very, she was fun with the Bigguy... her voice still horrible but, the charactere is better than in the first episodes ^^ Hope to see more of her in the two last episodes. ^^

I also think I liked Sleepers just a *bit* more, but both eps were great. I just wished they weren't filmed out of order.


IMHO, they were aired out of order. it was supposed to be haunted, then sleepers. and then helen's comment about 'john's disappearance' would make more sense

Agreed, I'm still not sure why they did that. Also I hard Sleepers was supposed to happen earlier in the season, like after Hero or something.


Hee, that was good. I really enjoyed the Kate and Bigfoot stuff.

Overall a good episode, I especially like how they finally explained how Druitt's madness is connected to his teleporting. My guess is the energy monster jumped into him when he first began teleporting and it gains in strength every time he jumps. Though while Tesla temporarily curing him in The Five now makes sense, I now wonder why he wanted Helen's blood in the pilot.

The different pairings were fun, and yay to Henry and Will for mostly saving the day. And great stuff between Helen and Druitt, esp at the end. I'm sure we'll see more Druitt in S3, though I do hope that they don't 'cure' him anytime soon, he's much more interesting conflicted IMHO.

I never really thought of why Tesla's shocks cured him, but now it does make sense. I also like how every now and then we get a different pairing of the team together, but what I'd really like to see is a big Helen and Henry episode. H&H. :D


another wonderful ep. :D

i'll start off telling about my fave scene... helen runs around the corner and gets clobbered by john, and then kicked. i couldn't believe it! :eek: it wasn't overly graphic, just a heck of a surprise, and it 'did' feel cold coming from someone that loved helen and that helen still loves. but i think my shock and wow was what made it stick with me so much. and helen whump. :p

Again, I was shocked when I saw Helen get hit twice by John. I don't like seeing Helen get hit. :(


lots of cute pairings moments, with will-henry and biggie-kate. the helen-john stuff was far from 'cute', but was the soul of the ep.

i'm not really a helen/john shipper, but i liked what they did in this ep to make the possibility of them getting together happen. there was no way helen would ever get back with john, after what he'd become and brutally murdering women. but they created a type of 'get out of jail free card' scenario for him... i like that, for john, for helen, and for a future for them someday. that was quite ingenious.

chris h is really a good actor. :)

i'll comment more once i read everyone else's comments, but all in all, quite a good episode. :D

Wow Sally, you have a way with words. I'm glad there's now a way to truly free John of his huge pain in his heart. I hope to see him free one day, and maybe him and Helen can be together. :)


i thought they were going to kiss.

*Squee* :p


i think that's the question we're all going to be asking.

i think john was saying as much, but helen stopped him, saying it was too convenient (?) to blame all of it on the creature inside him.

i do wonder if this thing just enhances what's already there (like pms and menopause :p), or if john was this nice and gentle man and the thing recreated the monster within him? and when exactly did it go into him?

?????? :p

I guess it would had to have gotten into him shortly after he got his powers, since he started going evil in the 1800's. :D

Rocky89
February 25th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Pretty good tribute to Magnus's outift.

http://fangirlonamission.blogspot.com/2010/01/stealing-magnuss-style.html

Awesome, that girl knows style. But she's still no Amanda. ;):P


You have to wonder if the parasite/entity was not only attracted by Johns teleporting but maybe something within John himself? Or the teleporting could have attracted it but something deep within him could have caused it to become attached (if that makes sense)? It could be the entity needed a certain type of person and John, though seeming gentle, could have had a deeper darker personality that he kept hiddedn even from himself?

Wow, that's something to think about. I'm not sure the entity thinks like that, I think it's like a Goa'uld, it needed a body to survive in and somehow got into John. After more than 100 years in his body, it got used to living in him and over time made him darker and darker.


Thank goodness for Comcast On Demand! I was thinking I wouldn't see this for a few days time as I was working when it aired and I havent found my alternative way of watching as of yet. So far, every ep has been complimentary on On Demand which rocks.

This is definitely ranked as one of my favorites! I loved the suspense and danger of the unknown factor the energy creature brought and the desperation everyone felt as a response. 'Edge of your seat' story lines, no matter the show (or book for that matter) have always held my interest.

The different pairings and their isolation from each other was well crafted too. They played well off each other and the creatures attempt to keep them separate and defenseless was enthralling. Both in how it was done and how they kept thwarting its efforts left and right. Even if I wasn't a huge fan already of the show and characters, Haunted was so well written, you couldn't help rooting for those trapped and potentially fearing for their lives. Survival is such a basic need and the common denominator which TPTB used skillfully to draw the viewer in.

I loved the Kate/Biggie interactions the best I think. Kate's constant chatter as opposed to Biggies restrained impatience kept me laughing throughout. Heh, Biggie mates every five years too, huh? Now there's a plot bunny for you. :P

Loved Will's near death scramble in the heating ducts and John's neckbreaker move on Helen and kick to the abdomen had me cringing in it's realism. Definite kudos for that scene.

Though I've never shipped John and Helen, I couldnt help but feeling sorry for them at the end. For two people to obviously care so much for each other, to share such wonderful memories, but be unable to act on their feelings due to circumstances beyond their control had me wishing thinks could be different for them. I do hope to see more of John again. His sacrifice for everyone totally rocked. The ending of Sleepers and Helen's comment concerning John, suddenly makes more sense now considering how they were aired out of order.

Lastly, geeks FTW! Couldn't help cheering Henry on being a gadget guru myself. I do love the way his mind works! :D

Wow, thanks for writing all that, you saved me the trouble of writing it myself. :D


best episode so far. Loved all the Helen/John moments except of the very last scene where he teleports away. Helen is losing way too many people this season. Beginning with her daughter close friends (Michael shanks character) and her one ture love( I know he isn't really dead). I know it's sci-fi and nobody really dies but it would be great too see Helen happy for once.

I've seen a lot of great episodes this season, I can't pick a best. ;) And yeah, Helen's losing a lot of people, but then again she's been losing for over 100 years, but still I don't think she's used to it. :(



I give it an 8/10 :)

I thought the beginning was a little boring. Might also be, cause I watched it without subtitles and couldn't understand everything.

I thought the CGI looked bad a couple of times and that really pulled me out of the story.

I didn't know anything about this ep, except that John would be in it. I was slighty dissapointed how that played out. Evil -- Good --- Evil ... it all happened a little too quickly for me. The scene where John kicked and was about to kill (?) Helen though ... awesome, unexpected.

I liked the interaction between the other pairings. I never minded Kate and I thought she was just fine in this ep. Her and Biggie were funny.

I liked Helen's clothes :D


The poor CGI at times is very easy to spot, especially the scenes where the camera widens to take in a shot of a room/hallway for the viewer to gain the enormity of the Sanctuary. Usually there isn't much more than talking going on at these times, so perhaps the CGI is more easy to spot for me as my eye wanders around the screen. During the action sequences, I'm hardly aware of any CGI at all sometimes, but again, there's too much going on to even consider what might be fake or not.


one reason for the cgi to 'fail' is in wide shots like you said, or hallway shots...cause it's hard to maintain proper depth of field when the background is a keyed in image

the other time is when the characters are holding flashlights and they are illuminated in a way that's not recreated in the background

I never really pay attention to the CGI, I focus more on the people and the story. I'll admit sometimes I do see something that looks like it is CGI, but I overlook those things and just enjoy the show. :) Overall the CGI is very good. :)



Why will Helen snap?

She'll outlive them all eventually... at least she would have Ashley, and Clara. And Will, Henry, Kate... and all the other normals and abnormals with a lifespan comparable to normals.

It's not who dies - it's how they go, I imagine that might have her snap along the line.

I really want to see Helen snap, just go nuts, throw things around and maybe try to do some self harm. :(

(((Helen))) I'm sure Amanda would be awesome. ;)


^well, "for all eternity" was what he said back when they were first getting engaged. so he still feels that way (when the entity isn't in charge ;) ). I loved how he blurted out "I love you" in the middle of the whole thing.

I think it's left pretty open as to what happened to Druitt. I took the "no destination in mind" to mean that he knew there was a good chance of getting killed. On the other hand, would the entity die with him? he may have to keep it to keep in under some control. Lots of possibilities for the future.

It was a little hackneyed to have people locked in an elevator, etc. But I thought they did it pretty well. One of the best moments, imho, was when Magnus realizes she's just been locked in with EvilDruitt. Great look on AT's face--not overblown fear, but definitely an "oh crap" moment. ;)

I loved that moment when Helen knew she was locked in with John, and the look he gave her, plus the light added that extra creepy effect. :p


druitt's fate wasn't the same as ash's

ash teleported while the EM shield was up, so she - theoretically - splatted on the iris

on the other hand, druitt teleported without a destination in mind...he did the equivalent of randomly dialing hte gate and stepping through, with no idea where he was going or if he'd even make it there

Wow, awesome analogy. ;)

AnnieS
March 2nd, 2010, 01:07 PM
Finally got the chance to watch this episode. Fave part was when Henry booted up the security system and then said "Who's your Daddy?" I was like you are.

*Annie runs to the Gutter*

lastrequest
March 2nd, 2010, 04:31 PM
I thought this episode was pretty brilliant for the simple fact that I have very much disliked Druitt throughout series one and most of series two - very interesting character for sure but I just couldn't seem to take to him. By the end of this episode - I suddenly felt bad for him and warmed to him a bit.

I think what did it for me was that at the end is that he was showing he was willing to sacrifice himself - "I have nowhere in mind" in order to protect Helen and everyone else too. Just that fact that instead of choosing to carry on killing people behind Helen's back, he actually seemed to decide to stop himself in the only way he could see possible - to kill himself.

But then Druitt being Druitt you just never can be certain if he is still out there somewhere.... I'm still undecided about that one....

kivawolfspeaker
March 3rd, 2010, 02:26 PM
I think, like AT said in the podcast, a LOT of people just didn't/don't understand that Druitt WAS NOT "Jack the Ripper" when Helen fell in love with him, and this episode was supposed to show a bit of that.

Jacquelyn
April 7th, 2010, 06:26 PM
This was one of my fave episodes. It was an intense episode for Helen & John.


Cuz when John (or u could say the Darkness) kicked Helen in the stomache and she had to shoot him. :( But the ending was a bit sad for me too.

suse
April 10th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Yes, much angst at the end. Poor Helen. And John. Almost free. :(

Jacquelyn
April 10th, 2010, 05:43 PM
Yes, much angst at the end. Poor Helen. And John. Almost free. :(

Yea. :( Wish it didn't end with sadness. But..
it does make the story interesting. To see what's next.

AresLover452
May 20th, 2010, 07:00 PM
Yes, much angst at the end. Poor Helen. And John. Almost free. :(

hopefully S3 will bode well for some sort of happy endings... That would be nice.

And some happiness for Helen and John would not be remiss for all they have suffered. This episode was done well and it illustrated some of the hurt/love that still lingers.

helenmagnus23
May 30th, 2010, 03:44 AM
hopefully S3 will bode well for some sort of happy endings... That would be nice.

And some happiness for Helen and John would not be remiss for all they have suffered. This episode was done well and it illustrated some of the hurt/love that still lingers.

Well said Ares :) i totaly agree with you :)

This one of my many fav eps of the season i love seeing John boath good and bad :) and then end scene between Helen and John wow! i went all teary eyed watching it again :)
Enitity: I feel that when John said he had no destination in mind i was thinking perhaps the creature in him has thought of one there is still hope sort of :)

AresLover452
May 30th, 2010, 08:33 PM
That frakking creature had better think of an destination.... lol!!

helenmagnus23
May 31st, 2010, 01:48 AM
That frakking creature had better think of an destination.... lol!!

Close to the Sanctuary to :)

That look he had at the end when we see that evil smile again said to me Druitt i dont have a destination in mind but the creature within does .
It also reminded me of web 4 when he goes to teleport and Helen says for him not to but he does it's very same look :)

AresLover452
May 31st, 2010, 12:10 PM
That creature is definitely crafty and I bet john counted on that and made the creature pick a place to go.... lol!!

helenmagnus23
June 1st, 2010, 04:04 AM
That creature is definitely crafty and I bet john counted on that and made the creature pick a place to go.... lol!!

Yeah :) that entity better have :) lol
That Entity is so bad i hope they find away to control it :)

I love seeing John doing that Ripper look (melting) hehehe

And the scene at the end when he say's to Helen '' I love you'' my heart goes into overdrive but it's so sad at the sametime :(:)

AresLover452
June 1st, 2010, 11:23 AM
I want to cry every time I see that too..... but at least Helen knows that he still loves her, that HER John still loves her.

helenmagnus23
June 2nd, 2010, 02:52 AM
I want to cry every time I see that too..... but at least Helen knows that he still loves her, that HER John still loves her.

True :)
He loves her and she loves him no matter what :)

AresLover452
June 2nd, 2010, 11:51 AM
this ep did give her a chance to see her John again, and I think that her heart still beats for him. I'm so happy the writers gave us a John and Helen episode!! w00t!!

helenmagnus23
June 2nd, 2010, 05:36 PM
this ep did give her a chance to see her John again, and I think that her heart still beats for him. I'm so happy the writers gave us a John and Helen episode!! w00t!!

I hope we get another 1,2,3 in season 3 :)

AresLover452
June 2nd, 2010, 05:39 PM
same here... lol!!

helenmagnus23
June 2nd, 2010, 05:46 PM
same here... lol!!

And a kiss between them would be the iceing on the cake :)

AresLover452
June 2nd, 2010, 05:48 PM
It would not be remiss and it would be greatly appreciated.... lol!!!

helenmagnus23
June 2nd, 2010, 06:09 PM
I got the feeling watching that scene when John says he loves her that there could have been a kiss in it but it never happend :( DO'H!

AresLover452
June 2nd, 2010, 06:22 PM
no, it never happened, but it would have been perfect for the power of the scene.

helenmagnus23
June 2nd, 2010, 06:51 PM
no, it never happened, but it would have been perfect for the power of the scene.

I so would of love to have seen it :)

AresLover452
June 2nd, 2010, 07:03 PM
Me too.... *sigh* wish they had shared one more kiss before John ent back to the creature.

helenmagnus23
June 4th, 2010, 05:20 AM
Me too.... *sigh* wish they had shared one more kiss before John went back to the creature.

Yeah...*sigh* (picturing it)

Samantha.Majka
June 4th, 2010, 10:26 AM
Even if I am not a fan of Helen / John ship .. I have to say that I really loved and enjoyed this episode.
It has some kind of power for me .. and Helen was amazing.

AresLover452
June 5th, 2010, 10:19 PM
helen is always awesome! she had this trying to forgive/hurt expression going on that was really good!

helenmagnus23
June 5th, 2010, 10:50 PM
helen is always awesome! she had this trying to forgive/hurt expression going on that was really good!

She is amzing :)
I saw in scene before he takes the creature back deep down he didnt want to return to the darkness but to save Helen he had no choice ,John must have incredible control over the creature for him to only have it do minor killings ?:)

AresLover452
June 5th, 2010, 10:56 PM
Yeah, but he had to save her, his love, even though it meant condemning himself to anger and hate.

helenmagnus23
June 5th, 2010, 11:11 PM
Yeah, but he had to save her, his love, even though it meant condemning himself to anger and hate.

Yeah , i hope one day Helen can release him from his darkness :)
But in the pod cast CH did say John doesnt like the clam becase Druitt is so used to the creature

AresLover452
June 5th, 2010, 11:35 PM
Yeah , i hope one day Helen can release him from his darkness :)
But in the pod cast CH did say John doesnt like the clam becase Druitt is so used to the creature

He's forgotten what it's like to be human in his mind. The creature brought him chaos and he's gotten used to fighting for his sanity.

helenmagnus23
June 6th, 2010, 12:08 AM
He's forgotten what it's like to be human in his mind. The creature brought him chaos and he's gotten used to fighting for his sanity.

The entity sounds like a drug you get hooked on it after a while .
I wounder what John will do if the creature is ever fully taken from him again but for a longer time ?:)

AresLover452
June 6th, 2010, 12:11 AM
I think he would get used to having the demon gone if it meant atoning to Helen for what he had done.

helenmagnus23
June 7th, 2010, 02:59 AM
I think he would get used to having the demon gone if it meant atoning to Helen for what he had done.

Yeah:) I watched it again today and the scene where he say's to Helen he loves her i noticed he was standing pritty close i mean when he teleported it looked like she could have almost gone with him :)

AresLover452
June 7th, 2010, 09:54 AM
I know!!

I wish soemthing more had happened and we had gotten more of what they talked about in the cell.

helenmagnus23
June 8th, 2010, 02:22 AM
I know!!

I wish soemthing more had happened and we had gotten more of what they talked about in the cell.

Yeah!:)
I noticed in the holding area while they were waiting Helen was holding the handcuffs i wounder why ?;):)hehehehe

AresLover452
June 8th, 2010, 10:48 AM
Yeah!:)
I noticed in the holding area while they were waiting Helen was holding the handcuffs i wounder why ?;):)hehehehe

that is just naughty!! I like it!!

i would have to watch it again to see that.

But I think it was good for Helen to be trapped in close quarters with him, not for shippy reasons, but she got to see him again without the creature to inject malice and hate into his words.

helenmagnus23
June 9th, 2010, 02:59 AM
that is just naughty!! I like it!!

i would have to watch it again to see that.

But I think it was good for Helen to be trapped in close quarters with him, not for shippy reasons, but she got to see him again without the creature to inject malice and hate into his words.

Yeah! she was trapped with the John she rembers rather than the one influenced by the creature :)
If you can just check and see if it was the handcuffs i'll check to but i'm positive thats what she holding :)

AresLover452
June 9th, 2010, 06:19 PM
lol!! I'l have to do that....

It as nice to see John in a calm serene state... lol!!

helenmagnus23
June 10th, 2010, 04:00 AM
lol!! I'l have to do that....

It as nice to see John in a calm serene state... lol!!

It's nice to see his nice gentile side but it's also good to see his darkside a very sexy darkside ....hehehehe

AresLover452
July 6th, 2010, 07:30 PM
It's nice to see his nice gentile side but it's also good to see his darkside a very sexy darkside ....hehehehe

Oh yes the DARK SIDE ... or.... Jack The Ripper!!

helenmagnus23
July 7th, 2010, 01:57 AM
Oh yes the DARK SIDE ... or.... Jack The Ripper!!

The Rippers Dark Side:D..lol

AresLover452
July 9th, 2010, 09:15 PM
This episode was definitely wonderfully done and I love the Helen and John shipperness of this episode!!

helenmagnus23
July 9th, 2010, 10:31 PM
This episode was definitely wonderfully done and I love the Helen and John shipperness of this episode!!

Yeah me to:D
I was hopeing they could have talked more sort out some things and maybe some flashbacks and a kiss:D

It's a great eps and i love the looks they share especialy at the end :D

AresLover452
July 9th, 2010, 10:48 PM
those looks at the end were my fave!! And John should have kissed her!!

helenmagnus23
July 9th, 2010, 11:03 PM
those looks at the end were my fave!! And John should have kissed her!!

He totaly should have:D

AresLover452
July 9th, 2010, 11:13 PM
He really should have.... Helen would have been shocked if he had!! lol!!

helenmagnus23
July 9th, 2010, 11:55 PM
I could imagin the Kiss(mind blowing):D

LadyGalaxyJ
July 16th, 2010, 05:49 PM
*new member posting* ;D

John probably wanted to kiss her. I think we can see him lean a little bit forward in that scene. ;P

But you know... he probably didn't do it because of her. Helen knew he was back to the John she fell in love with, but I think she was still afraid of letting go, after keeping her emotions so close for so long. And I think John knew that, which is why he didn't kiss her before teleporting. ; )

Would be fun to know what thoughts were in their minds at that exact moment.

helenmagnus23
August 20th, 2010, 01:45 AM
*new member posting* ;D

John probably wanted to kiss her. I think we can see him lean a little bit forward in that scene. ;P

But you know... he probably didn't do it because of her. Helen knew he was back to the John she fell in love with, but I think she was still afraid of letting go, after keeping her emotions so close for so long. And I think John knew that, which is why he didn't kiss her before teleporting. ; )

Would be fun to know what thoughts were in their minds at that exact moment.

Yeah that would of been so cool:D i so wanted a Kiss between them:D fingers crossed for season 3:D

AresLover452
August 21st, 2010, 11:56 PM
Yeah that would of been so cool:D i so wanted a Kiss between them:D fingers crossed for season 3:D

(prays for a kiss)

gods this episode was so awesome and it made helen see John, her John, in a new light!

helenmagnus23
August 22nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
(prays for a kiss)

gods this episode was so awesome and it made helen see John, her John, in a new light!

It is i love it:D It did:D showing her he's been fighting this dark creature for so long and all he wants is to love her land he has never stopped loving her and never will ,like he did before it over tolk him and tolk everything he loved away from him.

Elorendil
July 22nd, 2011, 03:24 PM
This was an amazing episode! It was really great to see how John was redeemed in Helen's eyes, and how he sacrificed himself to go back to the creature to save her and the others. I was just moaning for a Druitt ep, and there certainly was plenty of him in this episode! I love how it had a lot of character development and how we got to see his softer side, the John that he is without the creature. I hope that Helen finds a way to free him at some point!

Also, I totally agree with the above, there should have been a kiss in there at the end, before he teleported away.

selene0789
September 22nd, 2011, 03:35 PM
Oh my Magnitt shippy heart loved this episode. We got to see both evil Druitt and good Druitt, and we got to see Magnus interact with good Druitt. I'm not sure how I'd feel about Druitt being "good" all the time, but a little taste was perfect and bittersweet, just how I like it.

It was interesting to see the serious beatdown Druitt gave Magnus in the hallway. It is my opinion that he was trying to force her hand, so that she would permanently remove him as a threat. I'm glad she saved him :)

I also liked the Die Hard reference. They get some serious bonus points for that one.

AresLover452
November 28th, 2013, 05:56 PM
Selene: During the beatdown, that was John's way of committing suicide; using Helen as a proxy. He wanted to die, but then Helen refused to let him, and I think part of him knew that as well. This episode will still be amoung my faves because we finally have the meaning for John's madness and homicidal urges.