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Skydiver
April 18th, 2005, 06:19 PM
Hello, out there, fellow shippers. I am still waiting for someone who was at Gatecon to post SOMETHING about the S/J ship.


actually, it's not gatecon, it's creation vancouver

gatecon is this july in vancouver

they're two separate cons

sg-1fanintn
April 18th, 2005, 06:34 PM
Thanks LOL4jack!

I don't really expect Joe to answer, but I thought I'd ask anyway. If you go online and find him there live, feel free to post my question. During the day (when it seems he most often logs in), I'm working too.....and usually find out he's been online when I get home in the late afternoons!

sg-1fanintn
April 18th, 2005, 06:36 PM
Thanks for correcting me, Skydiver. I'm just so mad with worry that I can't keep by Stargate conventions straight!

Actually, I don't care where someone hears something shippy.....I just want them to post it!

Gatetrixer
April 18th, 2005, 08:16 PM
Uni is just short for University. Do Americans not shorten it to Uni? *confused*

Also, to SueKay I wish you the best of luck with future Uni applications. I've applied this year, it's a taxing process, I know!


I have to completely agree. I adore BtS, one of my favourite episodes. It really shows how S&J would be together if they could. They are also just utterly adorable as Jonah and Thera, and so natural is their relationship that they feel things even when their memories have been taken... *shippy sigh*


With ref. to "Uni." I've never heard anyone here say "Uni." Someone might say they attend the "U." (Note "the" before it). But usually it's the name or abbreviation of the school. Like I went to Harvard (I wish!) or O.U. or the U. of I ("the" again) or in the case of the many universities run by the various states, just the name of the state, like I went to Iowa (really!).

Yes, I love BTS, too. It's "beneath the surface" on several levels.

Gatetrixer
April 18th, 2005, 08:25 PM
This is in reference to the various musical motifs in SG. I noticed tonight while watching "New Ground" that when Nyan was helping the blinded Teal'c that the music sounded like our "shippy music." It didn't last very long, just a snippet. Which got me wondering when was the first episode that that particular motif was played--if just maybe this was the first time and then it was appropriated for "ship."


Also, does anyone know when the "fishing " music in "Threads" and "Moebius II"

was played before?

Uber
April 18th, 2005, 08:55 PM
This is in reference to the various musical motifs in SG. I noticed tonight while watching "New Ground" that when Nyan was helping the blinded Teal'c that the music sounded like our "shippy music." It didn't last very long, just a snippet. Which got me wondering when was the first episode that that particular motif was played--if just maybe this was the first time and then it was appropriated for "ship."


Also, does anyone know when the "fishing " music in "Threads" and "Moebius II"

was played before?
I also noticed the shippy music that I had always associated with Jack and Sam...the music played at the end of this clip here: http://www.powerpromoz.com/stargate/ring.wav was also played during Zero Hour when Jack was starting his letter to Hammond...

ohshocking
April 18th, 2005, 11:20 PM
Since it's only 3 more months, why don't we have a little "shiplet" day now, if that's what people want, and a BIG AND HONKIN' ship day on July 27? :D
Yes! Lets have a mini ship day, because I'll be away on holiday for the actual huge ship day, and don't want to miss out on all the shippy fun! :D

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 01:40 AM
I also think that there's a good chance that Orlin and Barrett's appearances could in a nuanced kind of way work to reinforce the Sam/Jack ship...but I believe it will be alot more subtle than that...

I see something like this:

Barrett and Sam are talking over whatever it is they're working on together...Sam heads over to the computer and starts typing... Barrett sees this as an opportunity to spark a conversation:

Barrett: So, uh, I noticed you're not wearing a ring.
Sam (surprised at his bluntness): No...no I'm not.
Barrett (hems and haws a little): You know, that dinner invitation is still open.
Sam (turns to face him, humored by his poor sense of timing, and then turns back to the computer): Sorry, Barrett, but I'm involved with someone.
Barrett (a little embarrassed): Oh, really? Same guy as before?
Sam (tersely, hoping the conversation ends sooner rather than later): No.
Barrett (feeling uneasy, but in too deep to let it drop just yet): So, um, is it serious?
Sam (grinning coyly): You might say that.
Sam and Barrett exchange an awkward glance before they continue working.


This is a great scenario and very subtle Tptb style so why not !!!! better than nothing but to be honest ...I don't really see the point in being too subtle anymore ...just because Sam and Jack won't be on screen much anymore ..I don't see what harm being not so subtle would cause ..if the show concentrates more on the action and the new guy ..They have been suble for UST for 8 years ..may be they need to not be so sublte for RST considering they (Sam & Jack) won't even be on screen together ....I hope they'll be using a lot of phone conversation between Sam and Jack when they talk about what they are doing like the phone call in "Good to be king" ....and Jack would probably say "I love you" (be nice to hear it slighlty at the end of the line) ;) and Sam would answer "Me too" like she did in threads when she was on the phone to Pete ..except she 'll add " Can't wait to see you next week" :)

Caty:)

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 01:54 AM
But see I look at the big picture here. I'm not about to put this whole thing in spoiler tags... so I'll use spoiler space instead.

Grace, Chimera, Affinity and Threads

S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S

Grace was important for Sam to realize that she wanted more for herself beyond a brilliant career at the SGC. She had so much time to just think about her life and assess her priorities and goals...and came to the conclusion that she wanted what her father had. I personally believe that "Jacob" was trying to get her to think beyond the obvious...that maybe the thing that's obstructing her road to happiness and love wasn't Jack but rather her career. Unfortunately, her she came to another conclusion (but then again, she had a concussion) and that was that she only wanted Jack because he was out of her reach and therefore "safe."

Chimera was important because she attempted to have more for herself with someone she deemed accessible and really cute (sorry Pete haters, but David DeLuise is just gorgeous)...but it also showed that awkwardness between Jack and her regarding her personal life was alive and well (reference the elevator scene). If neither of them felt anything, there wouldn't have been that uneasiness between them. He would have been happy for her, and that would have been that.

Affinity was important because Sam was willing to make a commitment to someone long-term. This was a huge step for her because as "Jacob" said to her in Grace, she subconciously was scared of love because she feared it must inevitably end in disappointment. But she already had doubts - it took her two weeks to even broach the topic with Jack (who was clearly disappointed she hadn't already said "no" to Pete) much less Pete himself, the guy who actually proposed to her. And it seems to me that she was trying to "have that life" with someone (since she couldn't have Jack)...and Pete was a good enough a candidate as any.

Threads was the most important of the group because it's the culmination of Grace, Chimera and Affinity. She realized that the conclusions she had come to in Grace...that she only wanted Jack because he was safe (unaccessible)...were completely wrong. She wanted him because she honestly loved him.

She further realized that making a commitment just for the sake of moving on was tantamount to settling for second best...and this all became glaringly obvious to her with the house and talk of a dog. It seems non-specific discussions of getting married and moving on were okay; but the actual reality of that concept...the till death do us part, house with a yellow kitchen and a big backyard for the dog...were so specific in nature and she realized this was not really what she wanted for herself. Not with Pete at least. As I said earlier, just because Pete was "available" didn't mean he was right for her and she became more and more aware that this wasn't what she really wanted.

She even had the guts to approach Jack to finally discuss with him her feelings...not because of her father and not because of Kerry (she had no knowledge of either), but because she came to that place where after a great deal of thought (I'm sure she was thinking about it in the car ride to the house among other times), she recognized she was at a watershed moment. Does she marry Pete, which her gut was telling her was more than likely a huge mistake or does she take a chance and finally express her feelings for Jack and let the chips fall where they may - not knowing if he reciprocated or how her career would be affected? Of course she was interrupted so we'll never know exactly what would have happened had what's her face not been there.

Poor Jack was clearly uncomfortable...not because he knew what she was going to say, because he obviously he knew where she was going with the conversation. But the timing was so atrocious because they weren't alone.

So now we have it...Jack has no choice but to come to terms with feelings he's been ignoring for years for the sake of the military and their work.

Sam also has finally come face to face with what she wants and needs and is clearly willing to pursue it...at least on some level.

I personally have NO DOUBT that they will end up together in the long run. But as to their immediate future, how soon and how quickly will they move closer together now that they won't be in the same chain of command? Will they now be willing to rush into a relationship or will they both still be a little gun shy and want to take it slow as to not jeopardize their deep and abiding friendship?

Only time will tell...and I'll be there to watch...whatever happens.


((((Uber)))) This is a fantastic analysis of Grace, Chimera, Affinity and Threads but I really think that Sam & Jack will be together already by the time season 9 starts ..I don't think it looks like they were gonna wait a while longer ..I mean he was quick to invite her to the cabin ..and she accepted ...Sam knew what going to the cabin meant!!! ..and I don't mean they already had a intimate relationship on the first cabin trip but if they were alone for a while before Teal'c and Daniel arrives ...I don't think they could have resisted to the temptation to get a bit physical ...It's all depends if Jack was out of the military by then !! but I think that by the time season premiere starts ..they are together ...if Jack is still Military in season 9 premiere ..obviously ..they saw each other without intimacy but I reckon that by the episode Sam comes back ....they would be a very definate couple by that time ...and we would not have seen the very beginning of their relationship.....We'll hear about it through Sam a lot I think ..bits there and then but it won't be the focus of the show anymore so that other fans don't get too upset ..Still tptb has got to keep the Sam and Jack ship going for all the shippers who may buy the season 9 DVD's if they do...but we'll get to a established relationship I think even if it is a long distance one .


Caty:)

girlgater
April 19th, 2005, 05:27 AM
So...when is our mini-ship day? I'm excited since it will be my first mini and also my first full ship day in July!

gatebee
April 19th, 2005, 08:12 AM
yes please when can we start our mini-ship days

Caty thanks for your 4th vid....love it so

SueKay....yes please keep writing shipfic...

Sam and Jack forever...S9 ........hope not dreaming....

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 09:40 AM
But see I look at the big picture here. I'm not about to put this whole thing in spoiler tags... so I'll use spoiler space instead.

Grace, Chimera, Affinity and Threads

<HUGE, MASSIVE SNIPPAGE :D >

I personally have NO DOUBT that they will end up together in the long run. But as to their immediate future, how soon and how quickly will they move closer together now that they won't be in the same chain of command? Will they now be willing to rush into a relationship or will they both still be a little gun shy and want to take it slow as to not jeopardize their deep and abiding friendship?

Only time will tell...and I'll be there to watch...whatever happens.


You go girl :D

I'm gonna be good and use spoilers :p

I think they did move on in their relationship emotionally at the end of S8, but I'm not so sure of the pysical side of things. I'm not quite sure how the regs fit into this. None of the spoilers for S9 indicate that Jack is resigning, rather that he is taking up a new position. Hammond was still Air Force as Head of Homeworld Security, so Jack probably still is too (by the way, I can't remember if Jack's promotion to Hammond's job is canon or fanon - can someone jog my memory :o ). So they went to the cabin - and they're still in the same chain of command. Yes, I think they were there for a while before T&D showed up. But I can't see them dumping 8 years of abiding by the regs to hop into the sack.

I'm happy (for now) to know there is nothing standing between them, and they can get on with being a couple. I know we probably won't see any of it, but hints will do. But like my location says, I'm not gonna be really happy until they are married :p

But like MB says, I'll be there to watch .... whatever happens too :p

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 09:44 AM
yes please when can we start our mini-ship days


Well, there's an old saying that goes there's no time like the present :p but to be fair to everyone, what are you all doing this weekend? How does Saturday sound? LOL4JACK has the questions, Caty has the videos, I'll bring the popcorn, who's running the bar? :p

*what do you mean I'm impatient * ;)

So, how does this work for time zones??????????

"Caaaaarter! Can you c'mere a minute?" :p

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 09:48 AM
I also noticed the shippy music that I had always associated with Jack and Sam...the music played at the end of this clip here: http://www.powerpromoz.com/stargate/ring.wav was also played during Zero Hour when Jack was starting his letter to Hammond...

Is this the music from Grace too?? Hmm, have to check that out ....

I'm willing to sacrifice for my ship family :p

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 09:57 AM
((((((((((((((((((((((((SG1Fanintn))))))))))))))))))))))))

I just tried to rep you in the JM thread for your question (but GW's too stingy sometimes) - its great :D

*fingers crossed it gets answered*
*crosses toes its the answer we want*
*completely tied in knots now - please please please Joe answer the question*

For anyone who hasn't seen the question yet - click here, now, immediately, at once.....prepare to be wowed :p (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=456322&postcount=942)

ohshocking
April 19th, 2005, 10:12 AM
Well, there's an old saying that goes there's no time like the present :p but to be fair to everyone, what are you all doing this weekend? How does Saturday sound? LOL4JACK has the questions, Caty has the videos, I'll bring the popcorn, who's running the bar? :p

*what do you mean I'm impatient * ;)

So, how does this work for time zones??????????

"Caaaaarter! Can you c'mere a minute?" :p
Oooo, Saturday's good! What actually happens on a ship day? And yes, timezones, that'll be difficult, the US and Europe don't match up very well :(

*bounces - ship day! excitement :P*

Daniel's_twin
April 19th, 2005, 10:13 AM
Well, there's an old saying that goes there's no time like the present :p but to be fair to everyone, what are you all doing this weekend? How does Saturday sound? LOL4JACK has the questions, Caty has the videos, I'll bring the popcorn, who's running the bar? :p

*what do you mean I'm impatient * ;)

So, how does this work for time zones??????????

"Caaaaarter! Can you c'mere a minute?" :p

Aw, nuts. I'll be out this weekend. Oh, well.

I will however donate some music. :cool:

Rogue
April 19th, 2005, 10:24 AM
Well, there's an old saying that goes there's no time like the present :p but to be fair to everyone, what are you all doing this weekend? How does Saturday sound? LOL4JACK has the questions, Caty has the videos, I'll bring the popcorn, who's running the bar? :p

*what do you mean I'm impatient * ;)

So, how does this work for time zones??????????

"Caaaaarter! Can you c'mere a minute?" :p

I got the shipper hippie bus ready! Can't have a party without the bus.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mkmoulder/Stargate/hippiebus-1.jpg

girlgater
April 19th, 2005, 10:28 AM
Saturday should be good for me too! I'm on the east coast in the US. We may need to start at a time that isn't too late for the shippers in the UK, or too early for those of us in the US. :D (Although I'm on at different times anyway). ;)

Lunar
April 19th, 2005, 10:30 AM
How great was season 4??
Just watching the repeated eps on Sky and.. wow. *This* is why Stargate is my favourite programme!!
Aw. Jack and Sam are so in love with each other in S4. They're just... so... sweet...
:)
<sigh>
Why did they end this wonderful shippyness?? I mean, it wasn't detrimental to the plot it was just... nice. When did it all get so scary? :(

ETA: Are we under a severe modding on this thread now?? It's been a while since I've posted here and I've been red repped for a post which... well, it *was* OT, but it was replying to something a member of the shipper family had said and I felt it was an important thing to be mentioned so people didn't get the wrong idea about something... Unsigned as well, which is unusual for a 'modding' rep point.
I am perplexed.

pittsburghgirl
April 19th, 2005, 10:32 AM
*Sigh Rogue-I am going to have to sit this ride out. Major holiday starts this weekend-but you guys have a fun ride-i'll be thinking about you.

Rogue
April 19th, 2005, 10:45 AM
*Sigh Rogue-I am going to have to sit this ride out. Major holiday starts this weekend-but you guys have a fun ride-i'll be thinking about you.

Have fun on your holiday, we will miss you at the party.

lonely_star
April 19th, 2005, 10:57 AM
Well, there's an old saying that goes there's no time like the present :p but to be fair to everyone, what are you all doing this weekend? How does Saturday sound? LOL4JACK has the questions, Caty has the videos, I'll bring the popcorn, who's running the bar? :p

*what do you mean I'm impatient * ;)

So, how does this work for time zones??????????


:eek: no !! I'm not here this week end... :( anyway I wish you all to have fun ! :o I'm sure you will ;) and if you want my opinion I think the best it's to start aournd 11 Us central so it's 18.00 (6pm) in Europe Paris-london
depends how many times you want to stay
I usually talk with my parents who are in france auround 1pm so 8pm french time and it's great for everyone but maybe be too short, I aussme you have a lot to post ! :p

lonely_star
April 19th, 2005, 11:05 AM
thanks to the anonymous greener !! I wish I was able to green too !!
funny cause I don't like jello it's too artificial, but thanks to you guys, I begin to like it ;) love reading your comments :p if you have msn don't hesitate to contact me, i'd be glad to speak with my fellow shippers !!

now on topic: I was thinking this morning that it's too bad they already used mini-me (mini jack) cause it would have been a good moment...imagine carter waking up near mini jack :rolleyes: ...we would have had our visual confirmation and they wouldn't have to use RDA...see still hope to have shippy things without those gorgeous brown chocolate eyes... ;)

Cassie
April 19th, 2005, 11:18 AM
Well, there's an old saying that goes there's no time like the present :p but to be fair to everyone, what are you all doing this weekend? How does Saturday sound? LOL4JACK has the questions, Caty has the videos, I'll bring the popcorn, who's running the bar? :p

*what do you mean I'm impatient * ;)

So, how does this work for time zones??????????

"Caaaaarter! Can you c'mere a minute?" :p

Yep I think I can make it ;) I was gonna go shoping but hey you can do that any day!
4 more days left tell the mini-ship day eeeekkkkk!!!! :D

Cassie
April 19th, 2005, 11:22 AM
I got the shipper hippie bus ready! Can't have a party without the bus.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mkmoulder/Stargate/hippiebus-1.jpg

*sticks thumb out and waiting*
Is the shippy bus heading north? :o

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 11:26 AM
*sticks thumb out and waiting*
Is the shippy bus heading north? :o
Hey Cassie! Good to see ya...

Hope to have a chance to work on your shippy picture this weekend...

(I haven't forgotten you) :D

sueKay
April 19th, 2005, 11:29 AM
Saturday...mini ship day...WOO HOO!

I'm working on Saturday, but...I can make time for the family :P :D

*off to look at college courses*

I watched BtS last night...you see the scene where Jack remembers something in his dream, wakes up in the morning and goes straight to Sam's bunk...watch their hands...they hold hands for the briefest of moments!

Cassie
April 19th, 2005, 11:36 AM
hehehe Thank ya Uber! :D
I'm gonna be talking to one of my brothers tomorrow about picking a better phrase or motto to use (he's alot smarter than me :o). He's not really a shipper but when ever I'm watching stargate with him I point out every shippy scene. Awww his annoying sister :cool:

On Topic now :D
Lonely_Star just think mini-Jack and mini-Sam it could happen ;)

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 11:38 AM
I also noticed the shippy music that I had always associated with Jack and Sam...the music played at the end of this clip here: http://www.powerpromoz.com/stargate/ring.wav was also played during Zero Hour when Jack was starting his letter to Hammond...
Okay here's a trivia question for you all...

Name the episodes that Jack/Sam's "shippy" music get played in...

Include the name of the episode and the scene. Now unfortunately, like I mentioned in this post, they also used it for this non-shippy scene... (wait...I just had a thought...maybe it was a shippy scene after all! Jack was writing General Hammond because Sam and the others were missing and he was questioning his abiltities as a leader distraught about them being in Ba'al's evil clutches (which of course they weren't...but he didn't know that)). Okay! I think I may have resurrected the shippiness of the song.

I'll post the first one here....

THREADS : Sam is sitting in her car staring at Jack's house, trying to work up the courage to tell him that her engagement to Pete is a mistake because of how she feels about Jack.

Alright! So what are the others???

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 11:39 AM
hehehe Thank ya Uber! :D
I'm gonna be talking to one of my brothers tomorrow about picking a better phrase or motto to use (he's alot smarter than me :o). He's not really a shipper but when ever I'm watching stargate with him I point out every shippy scene. Awww his annoying sister :cool:

On Topic now :D
Lonely_Star just think mini-Jack and mini-Sam it could happen ;)
Okay...let me know what it is then! :D

Can you answer my trivia question??? Shippy music played in what eps and scenes???

sg-1fanintn
April 19th, 2005, 11:39 AM
Just checking in on my lunch break.....

Gee, thanks to everyone who has commented on my question to Joe.....although I don't really expect him to answer it. I just want the integrity of Sam & Jack's chemistry and friendship to be maintained. If TPTB don't acknowledge that the characters are together, they aren't being true to the characters. Don't you guys feel the love? I do!

And is mini-ship day set for Saturday? Or is there another date in mind? Inquiring minds want to know!

By the way, I'm getting repetitive now.....but did no one who went to Vancouver press someone from the show about the S/J ship? Was there not a nuance, a grin, a "I don't think you'll be disappointed....."? Surely someone who was there last weekend got a feel for something!!!!!!!

Ok.....back to work.....I'll check in when I get home.

LOL4JACK
April 19th, 2005, 11:46 AM
Well, there's an old saying that goes there's no time like the present :p but to be fair to everyone, what are you all doing this weekend? How does Saturday sound? LOL4JACK has the questions, Caty has the videos, I'll bring the popcorn, who's running the bar? :p

*what do you mean I'm impatient * ;)

So, how does this work for time zones??????????

"Caaaaarter! Can you c'mere a minute?" :p
Woohooo!!!! I'm in for Saturday, what time? 10am EST?

It will be
- 7 am in the West Coast :o :o (Sorry)
- 3 pm in the UK
- 4 pm in Continental Europe (more or less)
- 10 pm in Australia ( I think).....
- Uff.... can't make more math :(

pittsburghgirl
April 19th, 2005, 11:52 AM
to the anonymouse green dinger-thanx
pittsburghgirl

sueKay
April 19th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Well...I may not know much about shipper music, but I've just finished writing my Advanced Higher Commentary for the Stargate Overture and the SG1 theme!

http://s10.invisionfree.com/Intel_Fanfiction/index.php?showtopic=123&st=0

Enjoy! :D Feedback GREATLY APPRECIATED (HINT HINT)

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 12:00 PM
This is a great scenario and very subtle Tptb style so why not !!!! better than nothing but to be honest ...I don't really see the point in being too subtle anymore ...just because Sam and Jack won't be on screen much anymore ..I don't see what harm being not so subtle would cause ..if the show concentrates more on the action and the new guy ..They have been suble for UST for 8 years ..may be they need to not be so sublte for RST considering they (Sam & Jack) won't even be on screen together ....I hope they'll be using a lot of phone conversation between Sam and Jack when they talk about what they are doing like the phone call in "Good to be king" ....and Jack would probably say "I love you" (be nice to hear it slighlty at the end of the line) ;) and Sam would answer "Me too" like she did in threads when she was on the phone to Pete ..except she 'll add " Can't wait to see you next week" :)

Caty:)
Because when it comes to Jack and Sam, I have a very hard time seeing TPTB be anything OTHER than subtle and nuanced...

:D

Twisted Angel (Sam_rules)
April 19th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Hey Guys! :)

So mini shipper day is this Saturday huh? Well I am working until 6pm but after that I am sure I will be able to get over here! :D I think I will probably need a good old drink after work anyway! :)

Oh and Lunar, I also have been red repped (my first one) for OT. And yes it was OT but I also had on topic stuff as well! :rolleyes: Oh well, I am not too bothered anyway!

Oh and about BtS, I am sure I saw them holding hands too. I am going to have to get the dvds out and watch it again! :)

~Tracey~

gatebee
April 19th, 2005, 01:07 PM
Woohooo!!!! I'm in for Saturday, what time? 10am EST?

It will be
- 7 am in the West Coast :o :o (Sorry)
- 3 pm in the UK
- 4 pm in Continental Europe (more or less)
- 10 pm in Australia ( I think).....
- Uff.... can't make more math :(
is this time ok for every one....I will be a little late for our mini shipper cause I will be volunteering during the a.m.
I will bring some chips and spicy chicken when I come and of course my Bailey's Irish Cream for the adult drinlk
And thank you to the "Anonymous Greener Strikes Again" . You shall be known from here on in as AGSA. I want to green you back...thank you

pittsburghgirl
April 19th, 2005, 01:24 PM
to the two anonymouse red dingers-I also thank you. so come back early and often.

florence
April 19th, 2005, 01:25 PM
Woohooo!!!! I'm in for Saturday, what time? 10am EST?

It will be
- 7 am in the West Coast :o :o (Sorry)
- 3 pm in the UK
- 4 pm in Continental Europe (more or less)
- 10 pm in Australia ( I think).....
- Uff.... can't make more math :(

I'm in for mini-shipper day too ! Just tell what time it begins and I'll try to be there on time :)
I'm going to search for ship fics. Do you want something special ? Angst ? Short fics ? Novels ? Related to which season or episode ?
Just tell and I'll try to find it :)

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 01:54 PM
How great was season 4??
Just watching the repeated eps on Sky and.. wow. *This* is why Stargate is my favourite programme!!
Aw. Jack and Sam are so in love with each other in S4. They're just... so... sweet...
:)
<sigh>
Why did they end this wonderful shippyness?? I mean, it wasn't detrimental to the plot it was just... nice. When did it all get so scary? :(

ETA: Are we under a severe modding on this thread now?? It's been a while since I've posted here and I've been red repped for a post which... well, it *was* OT, but it was replying to something a member of the shipper family had said and I felt it was an important thing to be mentioned so people didn't get the wrong idea about something... Unsigned as well, which is unusual for a 'modding' rep point.
I am perplexed.


Don't worry (((Lunar))) the red dinger dings almost everybody everyday .. got ding twice today cuz my sig is way too big apparently :rolleyes:

When it's not for OT ..it's for the content in the sig ..and when it's not for that ..it's for the size of it :eek:

Anyway ..I think a bit of OT is allowed in that thread ...we are having fun ..there is the serious Sam and Jack discussion thread for the red dinger . the family thread is probably not for that person if can't handle a bit of fun ...but we do ..don't we !!!! ...hehehehehe..and On Saturday ..we gonna have a blast with a little OT I hope too to make it a bit more tastefull . ;)

I shall drink some of gatebee's Bailey cream ( I love it :) ) , will catch Rogue's hippy bus without forgetting my collection of shippy S/J videos to watch en route :D ;) :)
I may be a bit late though ...cuz I'm still painting ...so wait for me :)

Caty:)

gatebee
April 19th, 2005, 01:58 PM
Don't worry (((Lunar))) the red dinger dings almost everybody everyday .. got ding twice today cuz my sig is way too big apparently :rolleyes:

When it's not for OT ..it's for what you put in your post ..and when it's not for that ..it's for the size :eek:

Anyway ..I think a bit of OT is allowed in that thread ...we are having fun ..there is the serious Sam and Jack discussion thread for the red dinger . the family thread is probably not for that person if can't handle a bit of fun ...but we do ..don't we !!!! ...hehehehehe..and On Saturday ..we gonna have a blast with a little OT I hope too to make it a bit more tastefull . ;)

I shall drink some of gatebee's Bailey cream ( I love it :) ) , will catch Rogue's hippy bus without forgetting my collection of shippy S/J videos to watch en route :D ;) :)
I may be a bit late though ...cuz I'm still painting ...so wait for me :)

Caty:)
just thinking of our mini-shipping this Saturday is making me excited already...all those Sam and Jack shippy pics for all to see and believe that they are indeed together and "always".

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 02:07 PM
thanks to the anonymous greener !! I wish I was able to green too !!
funny cause I don't like jello it's too artificial, but thanks to you guys, I begin to like it ;) love reading your comments :p if you have msn don't hesitate to contact me, i'd be glad to speak with my fellow shippers !!

now on topic: I was thinking this morning that it's too bad they already used mini-me (mini jack) cause it would have been a good moment...imagine carter waking up near mini jack :rolleyes: ...we would have had our visual confirmation and they wouldn't have to use RDA...see still hope to have shippy things without those gorgeous brown chocolate eyes... ;)


Mini Jack could always come back ..it does not have to be the same actor even if that one is not available ..look what they did with Cassie ...they changed the actress because the little ginger hair one was not available apparently ...and saying that I'd like to ask Joe Malozzi if we'll see Cassie again cuz I think we should :) We could have some shippy moments if Cassie was there interacting with Sam and asking where Jack is ...and they could have a girl to girl conversation ..Cassie is a lot older now and a woman :)

Caty:)

ohshocking
April 19th, 2005, 02:11 PM
just thinking of our mini-shipping this Saturday is making me excited already...all those Sam and Jack shippy pics for all to see and believe that they are indeed together and "always".
OK, I'm all excited about the ship day, but I just wanted to ask what one does on a ship day? Are we all supposed to come with something shippy to share or... I just have no idea really, what's happening! Is it pics? Like gatebee says?

Caty - you got dinged because your sig is too big? I have to say I don't like that part of the system. I got dinged for a pro Sam/Jack post in the pro Sam/Jack thread, and got no reason. So, *shrugs* whatever :P Although, I have to say I was secretely quite excited for having been dinged for defending the ship *g* Also, can I ask... well, I should probably ask this in the forum thread, but you people are all so friendly, what post number can I start giving reps? I want to be able to show people I support their posts, but wanted to check it'll count before I do it.

Anyway... back on topic...

So is it all agreed? Saturday 3pm GMT for the ship day? *bounces*

Also, I've completely lost the post where SueKay first announced her fic, but I wanted to say that I really liked the first chapter of that AU fic. I adore AUs, and this one looks like it's going to be fab! I await the next chapter! :D

Oh, just editing to add, I noticed people were talking about mini!Jack and a mini!Sam, anyone on Livejournal? Doesn't matter if you're not, but there's a community called 'miniotp' which is for fics etc for mini!Jack/mini!Sam... might be of interest to someone :)

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 02:13 PM
hehehe Thank ya Uber! :D
I'm gonna be talking to one of my brothers tomorrow about picking a better phrase or motto to use (he's alot smarter than me :o). He's not really a shipper but when ever I'm watching stargate with him I point out every shippy scene. Awww his annoying sister :cool:

On Topic now :D
Lonely_Star just think mini-Jack and mini-Sam it could happen ;)


Ok so TPTB is gonna decide to have mini Jack and Mini Sam in episode 4 ,5, or 6 ....and have them kiss for real just to kick us in the teeth a bit more .... Just joking :D ..I'd love to see that ...but it would not be the same ...still would be interesting to see if they were attracted to each other even at a younger age :)

Caty:)

Rogue
April 19th, 2005, 02:25 PM
Don't worry (((Lunar))) the red dinger dings almost everybody everyday .. got ding twice today cuz my sig is way too big apparently :rolleyes:

When it's not for OT ..it's for the content in the sig ..and when it's not for that ..it's for the size of it :eek:

Anyway ..I think a bit of OT is allowed in that thread ...we are having fun ..there is the serious Sam and Jack discussion thread for the red dinger . the family thread is probably not for that person if can't handle a bit of fun ...but we do ..don't we !!!! ...hehehehehe..and On Saturday ..we gonna have a blast with a little OT I hope too to make it a bit more tastefull . ;)

I shall drink some of gatebee's Bailey cream ( I love it :) ) , will catch Rogue's hippy bus without forgetting my collection of shippy S/J videos to watch en route :D ;) :)
I may be a bit late though ...cuz I'm still painting ...so wait for me :)

Caty:)

I agree. My buddy pittsburghgirl has been dinged 3 times now which is crazy.

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 02:29 PM
Hey Guys! :)

So mini shipper day is this Saturday huh? Well I am working until 6pm but after that I am sure I will be able to get over here! :D I think I will probably need a good old drink after work anyway! :)

Oh and Lunar, I also have been red repped (my first one) for OT. And yes it was OT but I also had on topic stuff as well! :rolleyes: Oh well, I am not too bothered anyway!

Oh and about BtS, I am sure I saw them holding hands too. I am going to have to get the dvds out and watch it again! :)

~Tracey~


Yes (((Tracey))))when Jack approaches Sam he touches her hand ...If they were in a relationship in Beneath the surface ..they must have kissed and perhaps had intimate physical contact out of view of everybody else of course :o !!! Do we know how long they stayed in the dome for ?!! and also do you think they remember anyhting now ...because right at the end ..when she says "Sir" and he did a funny thing with his face meaning it was bothering him to be called Sir Again ...they seemed to remember ...so I just wondered if they had any recollection of what happened between them in that hell dome ...surely they must have kissed at least ..therefore they should have remembered that even if it was for a few minutes as they were recovering their memory :)

I wonder if they remember now !!! :eek: but what I'm sure about is Teal'c knows ..that's why he is a big shipper ...he has seen them together kissing in Beneath the surface I bet ...would be realLy nice if he could mention it to either Sam or Jack one day in passing ..something like ..."I knew you too were meant to each other the day you met in that dome ..and you started a relationship ASAP " hehehehehe:)

caty:)

florence
April 19th, 2005, 02:32 PM
Also, can I ask... well, I should probably ask this in the forum thread, but you people are all so friendly, what post number can I start giving reps? I want to be able to show people I support their posts, but wanted to check it'll count before I do it.


I don't really know when grey points turn to green (or red ;) ). I think there's a thread about this in About the Forum.
But it doesn't prevent you to give reps (even if there are still grey). If you add comments then people will know it was meant to be green (or red ;) ).
As for myself, I like comments better than to see my green jello cubes piled up :) (I didn't say I liked to see red jello piled up though :p )

shortiedu
April 19th, 2005, 02:32 PM
I agree. My buddy pittsburghgirl has been dinged 3 times now which is crazy.

ok shipper friends, i'm more of a reader than a poster... What is this "Dinging" thing?
maybe i'll get dinged for asking and find out myself, hahahaha.

sueKay
April 19th, 2005, 02:37 PM
I have to say

I've not had any dings...wonder why...ooh...they're afraid of me...well I did kinda go hysterical a while back

Anywho

FIC UPDATE FIC UPDATE FIC UPDATE FIC UPDATE

In Between the Threads - chapter Five - In Between the Days (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/5/)

SHIP DUNCE HATH RETURNETH! (For everyone who's joined this year...Ship Dunce is one of my alter egos...in this case...my muse...my evil streak is called Dee Dee!)

Anywho...this is my Threads fic...it fills in what we haven't seen and offers explanations for some other spoilery stuff!

Here's the chapter one link if you've not read it!

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/1/

Rogue
April 19th, 2005, 02:39 PM
ok shipper friends, i'm more of a reader than a poster... What is this "Dinging" thing?
maybe i'll get dinged for asking and find out myself, hahahaha.

Dinging or red dinging is when someone gives you a negative rep.

sueKay
April 19th, 2005, 02:40 PM
WELCOME SHORTIEDU!

Please stay, post lots and eat lots of shipper cookies!

Dinging - when you get red rep (see your control panel)

So...shall we come up with themes for the mini ship day?

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 02:44 PM
ok shipper friends, i'm more of a reader than a poster... What is this "Dinging" thing?
maybe i'll get dinged for asking and find out myself, hahahaha.


Just a somebody who reads that thread and doesn't want to have fun...I did mention there is a very serious Sam and Jack ship discussion thread opened by Auralan where OT is not allowed and for fans who just want to seriously discuss in depth Sam and Jack .... ..Me I prefer to stay here ..because I love to giggle .. most of the time and post funny stuff :rolleyes: ...dream and hope for the best ...and I love reading those little scenarios for Sam and Jack season 9 ..and making my own one too :) It's real fun :)

Welcome to the shipper family and check your control panel :)

Caty:)

florence
April 19th, 2005, 02:47 PM
http://yelims.free.fr/Coucou/Coucou00.gif

Welcome in the family shortiedu ! :)

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 02:59 PM
Yes (((Tracey))))when Jack approaches Sam he touches her hand ...If they were in a relationship in Beneath the surface ..they must have kissed and perhaps had intimate physical contact out of view of everybody else of course :o !!! Do we know how long they stayed in the dome for ?!! and also do you think they remember anyhting now ...because right at the end ..when she says "Sir" and he did a funny thing with his face meaning it was bothering him to be called Sir Again ...they seemed to remember ...so I just wondered if they had any recollection of what happened between them in that hell dome ...surely they must have kissed at least ..therefore they should have remembered that even if it was for a few minutes as they were recovering their memory :)

I wonder if they remember now !!! :eek: but what I'm sure about is Teal'c knows ..that's why he is a big shipper ...he has seen them together kissing in Beneath the surface I bet ...would be realLy nice if he could mention it to either Sam or Jack one day in passing ..something like ..."I knew you too were meant to each other the day you met in that dome ..and you started a relationship ASAP " hehehehehe:)

caty:)

Wasn't there a scene shot with Sam & Jack kissing in BtS, but tptb ended up cutting it???? I'm 100% certain that they remember everything that happened BtS, and this just adds to Jack's heartache in Entity, when he's sat by Sam's bed in the infirmary. He's remembering all their moments together, but despairing cos there will be no more.....

I think your right - Teal'c is a shipper. Most definitely. He was there for the confessions in WoO, so he knows how they feel for each other. It's T that comforts Sam in Paradise Lost, and he tries to comfort Jack in Grace. He's even not subtle about it! :rolleyes:

I think if Jonas had been around for longer and found out what was going on, he would have been a shipper too. I'm not sure about Daniel though. I think he probably is a S&J shipper cos he cares deeply for his friends - he had his happy times with Shau're and would want that for Sam & Jack, but I don't remember tptb ever showing anything that would say either way for S&J (aside from the obvious interuptions :p ). I think I recall MS saying at a convention that he isn't particularly a ship fan, so maybe that would account for it. *shrugs*

sueKay
April 19th, 2005, 03:05 PM
There was meant to be a kiss in BtS, but TPTB decided 'they'd been kissing enough that season'

FCOL...they kissed ONCE that season!

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 03:16 PM
There was meant to be a kiss in BtS, but TPTB decided 'they'd been kissing enough that season'

FCOL...they kissed ONCE that season!
Oh no! I'm feeling strange - must be slipping into a AU! I..I..I feel a Gollum moment coming on ......

"Friends? You haven't got any friends. Nobody likes you. (mutters) Too many kisses in S4. Bah! Don'ts they know we wants that, Precious?"

PTB - r u listening?????? :p :D

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 03:20 PM
There was meant to be a kiss in BtS, but TPTB decided 'they'd been kissing enough that season'

FCOL...they kissed ONCE that season!


Yeah ((((Suekay)))) but I suppose the kiss was kind of long in a way and fun :D ...May be ...TPTB decided to delete it because they suddenly realised that Sam and Jack would remember it ..and they were not ready to have them remember a full passionate kiss :rolleyes:
I don't think they film the kiss though !!!!..I thought it was in the script and they deleted it before shooting !!!.

Anyway ...I bet Sam and Jack kissed in Beneath the surface off screen ...therefore if they remember that!!! WOww ..How did they cope with just calling each other "Sir "and "Carter" for another 4 more years !!!! That's is LOVE and dedication :) At least they had the real hugs to release the tension :D

Caty:)

sueKay
April 19th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Oma...tut tut :angry:

...

...:P

Gotta go! Thanks for the feedback! (and the assortment of green jello and benevolent omnipotent red ;))

I'll speak to you all later...right now...I gotta sleep!

Suz
xxxxx

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 03:25 PM
Wasn't there a scene shot with Sam & Jack kissing in BtS, but tptb ended up cutting it???? I'm 100% certain that they remember everything that happened BtS, and this just adds to Jack's heartache in Entity, when he's sat by Sam's bed in the infirmary. He's remembering all their moments together, but despairing cos there will be no more.....

I think your right - Teal'c is a shipper. Most definitely. He was there for the confessions in WoO, so he knows how they feel for each other. It's T that comforts Sam in Paradise Lost, and he tries to comfort Jack in Grace. He's even not subtle about it! :rolleyes:

I think if Jonas had been around for longer and found out what was going on, he would have been a shipper too. I'm not sure about Daniel though. I think he probably is a S&J shipper cos he cares deeply for his friends - he had his happy times with Shau're and would want that for Sam & Jack, but I don't remember tptb ever showing anything that would say either way for S&J (aside from the obvious interuptions :p ). I think I recall MS saying at a convention that he isn't particularly a ship fan, so maybe that would account for it. *shrugs*


Oh yeah Teal'c is lovely when it comes to Sam and Jack ship but you're right ..he is not very subtle ...remember in New order when he was with Sam in the ship and was asking questions about her love life because he knew that she would actually die for Jack ...and she even didn't want to talk about Pete .:)


Caty:)

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 03:29 PM
Okay here's a trivia question for you all...

Name the episodes that Jack/Sam's "shippy" music get played in...

Include the name of the episode and the scene.

THREADS : Sam is sitting in her car staring at Jack's house, trying to work up the courage to tell him that her engagement to Pete is a mistake because of how she feels about Jack.

Alright! So what are the others???

GRACE: Last scene - Sam in the infirmary talking with Jack, as scene ends, music plays. Definitely a shippy scene - she calls him JACK :D Shame she doesn't kiss him again :rolleyes:

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Oh yeah Teal'c is lovely when it comes to Sam and Jack ship but you're right ..he is not very subtle ...remember in New order when he was with Sam in the ship and was asking questions about her love life because he knew that she would actually die for Jack ...and she even didn't want to talk about Pete .:)


Caty:)


ARRRRRGGGGGGGH! No! I don't remember that bit!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :o :( :o :( :o :( :S

*coughclipscough*

*too much guilt - too much remorse - too much - too mu... brain going into seizure*

Catysg1
April 19th, 2005, 03:36 PM
(((Oma )))..clean your inbox if you want a PM :)

and Sam and Jack with a lot of smoochies in season 9 :D

Caty:)

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 03:36 PM
Teal'c is normally the master of subtle. Do you think tptb were making a point by having T be the one to bring the subject up?

What do you think Daniel thinks of the SJ ship?

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 03:39 PM
(((Oma )))..clean your inbox if you want a PM :)

and Sam and Jack with a lot of smoochies in season 9 :D

Caty:)
Empty :D Been chatting a *lot* tonight :p

smoochie smoochie smoochie smoochie smoochie smoochie smoochie smoochie smoochie

Is that enough smoochies? :p

majorsal
April 19th, 2005, 03:55 PM
spoilers for s8's threads



....I hope they'll be using a lot of phone conversation between Sam and Jack when they talk about what they are doing like the phone call in "Good to be king" ....and Jack would probably say "I love you" (be nice to hear it slighlty at the end of the line) ;) and Sam would answer "Me too" like she did in threads when she was on the phone to Pete ..except she 'll add " Can't wait to see you next week" :)

Caty:)

i didn't necessarily think that when sam said 'me too' to pete on the phone, it was because he'd said 'i love you'. that didn't enter my mind until you'd brought it up. i can't play back that scene at this moment, but i remember getting the impression that maybe he'd said something like 'i'm sorry you're going to miss the appointment', or something close. this doesn't mean that he didn't say i love you, i just remember not feeling that from her with her facial expressions and tone of voice and such. but that's just my opinion, and i'm sure if i played back that scene, i'd get a better feel on it.

sally :)

majorsal
April 19th, 2005, 04:03 PM
((((Uber)))) This is a fantastic analysis of Grace, Chimera, Affinity and Threads but I really think that Sam & Jack will be together already by the time season 9 starts ..I don't think it looks like they were gonna wait a while longer ..I mean he was quick to invite her to the cabin ..and she accepted ...Sam knew what going to the cabin meant!!! ..and I don't mean they already had a intimate relationship on the first cabin trip but if they were alone for a while before Teal'c and Daniel arrives ...I don't think they could have resisted to the temptation to get a bit physical ...It's all depends if Jack was out of the military by then !! but I think that by the time season premiere starts ..they are together ...if Jack is still Military in season 9 premiere ..obviously ..they saw each other without intimacy but I reckon that by the episode Sam comes back ....they would be a very definate couple by that time ...and we would not have seen the very beginning of their relationship.....We'll hear about it through Sam a lot I think ..bits there and then but it won't be the focus of the show anymore so that other fans don't get too upset ..Still tptb has got to keep the Sam and Jack ship going for all the shippers who may buy the season 9 DVD's if they do...but we'll get to a established relationship I think even if it is a long distance one .


Caty:)

i have a question for ppl that play in other fandoms with other fandom shippers and anti shippers... are shippers in other fandoms treated as poorly there as they are here? i know Jag has a huge ship following, so i wonder if Jag shippers are tortured like we are with our S/J relay? i really don't want this question (if answered) to become belligerent against antis, i'm just curious if other fandoms have the same aggression as this one does.


sally :)

tauripeg
April 19th, 2005, 04:08 PM
You know, that's a Stargate I could've lived quite happily with. Can I add, if it went my way, Sam & Jack would've slowly started "taking the next step" (now *that's* a cliche even I can't stand!) right after Grace--those *Others* never even existed. Just imagine it folks... I know, I've said it before, but really... really look at the second half of season seven and all of eight without the *Other* storylines ever happening. Keep everything else just exactly the same, but take out the :eek: and they'd have been right about season eight. It would have been the best year ever. Especially if we add in some of those missed opportunities and editing room floor kissage!

As for Sam & Jack ship and their future over the next Stargate Year... I'll hazzard a prediction, since I was pretty close with my expectations for this last year. I was also right about RDA being unable to resist coming back to have fun with Stargate once in a while! Hee Heeee! So with all things in consideration--spoilers, babies, retirements, and knowing how these things tend to play out--I'm gonna take a wild leap through the Quantom Shipper Mirror and speed thru season nine in ShipFastFoward.

Beginning of season nine, rda makes a couple of brief appearances in the earliest eps. Easing him out, rather than jerking abruptly. The fact that Sam is very much a part of the promos for the "new SG1", I have no doubt we'll hear some very interesting reports of her activities... Wonder who she'll report too? Since her absence is likely increased, I wouldn't be surprised to get a sniglet an ep or two before she returns. As Jack is supposedly very much "alive and active" in the Stargate Universe (as alive as Cassie? Probably a bit of General Hammond too!) we'll get mention of Jack as well as Sam. Sam returns, at last, with a word or six about her *extended leave* (which we only wish were for a honeymoon...) before the Big Emergency takes over.


And for completely wild and random speculation, I'm more inclined than ever to believe we'll get a couple of guest appearances with RDA towards the end of the season, maybe even the finale. If it's the Series Finale and Goodbye SG1 FOREVER, I sure hope he's there for it! And we will at long last get that big passionate REAL Sam & Jack, in the REAL timeline WITHOUT alien influence, drugging, or any other depraved deviations making it the very moment we are really hoping and praying and otherwise impatiently waiting for. It's the only thing keeping me tuning in--to reruns, new eps come July, even Fandom-- Hope we'll still see further development, however slight, in the relationship between our favorite characters.



So here's to Season Nine, To Sam & Jack, and to all the Fantabulous Shippers:

SHIP SHIP HOORAY!
SHIP SHIP HOORAY!
SHIP SHIP HOORAY!



{Stepping off soapbox, passing the megaphone, and running back into the shadows of lurkdom with some end of season 8 fics to keep me sane until this production is over... )[/QUOTE]

I like how you think on your points, I only wish there had been a better way for Sam to explore her feelings without involving Pete. Like something involving Jack Maybe?

here's a yes vote for having RDA in the season finale that would be great!!! And maybe a real kiss Yessss!.

I'm still keeping the faith-and so far still going to watch season 9

sg-1fanintn
April 19th, 2005, 04:14 PM
Here's to you, tauripeg! Hopefully, you're right! As a side note, everyone from Iowa I've ever known has been extremely level-headed, reasonable and could predict how things would turn out with a good degree of accuracy. I hope you're just like my friends in Des Moines!

I like your perspective. Please join us often on our little "ship-fest." The time between now and July is frustrating!

sg-1fanintn
April 19th, 2005, 04:22 PM
The red dinger dings again. Apparently, this person didn't like my question to Joe about the ship. Obviously an anti-shipper. The comment was: "Hasn't some version of this question been asked about a million times?"

Gee, Red Dinger! I don't know! I've only been a member of the forum for a month. I haven't viewed a million posts yet. Besides, Joe hasn't answered the question yet, and a moderator posted a comment on the thread just the other day saying that if the question hasn't been answered, keep posting it.

But you, Red Dinger, must be all-knowing, all-seeing and all-judging. So, hit me with your best shot!

To my fellow forum buds: excuse my rant.

LOL4JACK
April 19th, 2005, 04:35 PM
The red dinger dings again. Apparently, this person didn't like my question to Joe about the ship. Obviously an anti-shipper. The comment was: "Hasn't some version of this question been asked about a million times?"

Gee, Red Dinger! I don't know! I've only been a member of the forum for a month. I haven't viewed a million posts yet. Besides, Joe hasn't answered the question yet, and a moderator posted a comment on the thread just the other day saying that if the question hasn't been answered, keep posting it.

But you, Red Dinger, must be all-knowing, all-seeing and all-judging. So, hit me with your best shot!

To my fellow forum buds: excuse my rant.
SG-1fanintn... I would Green ding you a thousand times for that post if I could... thanks for asking Joe the question that we all want to know... I'm sure there will be a shipper party if he answers!!!!!

For the shipper questions to Joe! :D :D:D :D:D :D:D :D:D :D

PS: AGSA thanks!

parsifal
April 19th, 2005, 04:52 PM
i have a question for ppl that play in other fandoms with other fandom shippers and anti shippers... are shippers in other fandoms treated as poorly there as they are here? i know Jag has a huge ship following, so i wonder if Jag shippers are tortured like we are with our S/J relay? i really don't want this question (if answered) to become belligerent against antis, i'm just curious if other fandoms have the same aggression as this one does.

In regard to JAG, my impression is that there isn't as much of a shipper v. anti debate. The relationship between Harm and Mac (essentially the only two main characters) has been acknowledged as fact much more than S/J. While nothing has been done with the H/M relationship, it's been integrated more into the show.

However, the unrealistic and massively stunted nature of the H/M relationship (owing to the fact that Bellisario is a jerk) has generated sometimes intense tensions within, and outside of, the shipper community. Some people worship Harm and denigrate Mac or vice versa. All the crap that has been heaped on shippers, combined with the extended time frame (9 years!), has left some feeling burned out and apathetic. The series finale is on the 29th, and the nature of any resolution is still somewhat uncertain.

At least JAG isn't pushing on without its main star, though. It's been spared that ignominy.

sg-1fanintn
April 19th, 2005, 04:57 PM
The JAG thing has a lot of familiar elements in in, though!

Starfury
April 19th, 2005, 05:00 PM
I think your right - Teal'c is a shipper. Most definitely. He was there for the confessions in WoO, so he knows how they feel for each other. It's T that comforts Sam in Paradise Lost, and he tries to comfort Jack in Grace. He's even not subtle about it! :rolleyes:
My sig (created by the DIVINELY talented, ever-generous goddess sueKay) is a tribute to my Shipper Guru, Teal'c!!!

Teal'c is not just A shipper, Teal'c is THE Shipper. And seriously, with that guy on our side, how can we possibly fail? I mean he kicks galactic tookus. With Teal'c looking out for Jack's interests, no Random Guy Of The Week (or Season) could stand a chance. And I think that CJ is a shipper too. I just get that vibe from him, and from the eps he wrote.

LOL4JACK
April 19th, 2005, 05:06 PM
Anybody looking for him? :D

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_22_1.gif

We just need to put posters in the other threads :D

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 05:07 PM
My sig (created by the DIVINELY talented, ever-generous goddess sueKay) is a tribute to my Shipper Guru, Teal'c!!!

Teal'c is not just A shipper, Teal'c is THE Shipper. And seriously, with that guy on our side, how can we possibly fail? I mean he kicks galactic tookus. With Teal'c looking out for Jack's interests, no Random Guy Of The Week (or Season) could stand a chance. And I think that CJ is a shipper too. I just get that vibe from him, and from the eps he wrote.
Yeah...the one's CJ writes usually has a S/J shippy tinge to them... the ones with Ishta both have at least one shippy scene or reference in them...

:D

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 05:17 PM
The red dinger dings again. Apparently, this person didn't like my question to Joe about the ship. Obviously an anti-shipper. The comment was: "Hasn't some version of this question been asked about a million times?"

Gee, Red Dinger! I don't know! I've only been a member of the forum for a month. I haven't viewed a million posts yet. Besides, Joe hasn't answered the question yet, and a moderator posted a comment on the thread just the other day saying that if the question hasn't been answered, keep posting it.

But you, Red Dinger, must be all-knowing, all-seeing and all-judging. So, hit me with your best shot!

To my fellow forum buds: excuse my rant.
Yep, some version of this question has been asked about a million times, but not with ref to S9. So we can keep asking another million times until Joe answers :D

((((Starfury)))) Your sig says it all :D Teal'c - otherwise known as Defender of the Ship :D

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Yeah...the one's CJ writes usually has a S/J shippy tinge to them... the ones with Ishta both have at least one shippy scene or reference in them...

:D
Not to mention all T&I's kissyface! Yet another ship tptb are happy to show :rolleyes:

I sometimes wonder whether shipping is worth the hassle, the disappointments, the PTB, but then I think about the wonderful gooeyness that pervades my system when I see a shippy moment and think YES! IT'S ALL WORTH IT IN THE END :p

ForeverSg1
April 19th, 2005, 05:27 PM
There was meant to be a kiss in BtS, but TPTB decided 'they'd been kissing enough that season'

FCOL...they kissed ONCE that season!

I was reading in the Stargate Illustrated Comp that the hug in TBFTGOG was originally written as a kiss but AT/RDA asked to have it changed to a hug.

See just goes to show you that the writers were thinking ship way back in season 1.

AT also said in an interview that during her screen test she was asked to stand next to RDA with her arm around his waist to see how well they looked together. I mean come on if ship wasn't in the writers/producers minds from day one...why would they care? But who knows, maybe CJ had to pose with his arm around RDA as well for the producers. :rolleyes:

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I was reading in the Stargate Illustrated Comp that the hug in TBFTGOG was originally written as a kiss but AT/RDA asked to have it changed to a hug.

See just goes to show you that the writers were thinking ship way back in season 1.

AT also said in an interview that during her screen test she was asked to stand next to RDA with her arm around each others waist to see how they looked together. I mean come on if ship wasn't original in the works from day one...why would they care? But then who knows, maybe CJ had to pose with his arm around RDA as well for the producers. :rolleyes:
???

Why did they do a stupid thing like that??? I mean Dr. Carter and General O'Neill were after all engaged...

majorsal
April 19th, 2005, 05:34 PM
The red dinger dings again. Apparently, this person didn't like my question to Joe about the ship. Obviously an anti-shipper. The comment was: "Hasn't some version of this question been asked about a million times?"

Gee, Red Dinger! I don't know! I've only been a member of the forum for a month. I haven't viewed a million posts yet. Besides, Joe hasn't answered the question yet, and a moderator posted a comment on the thread just the other day saying that if the question hasn't been answered, keep posting it.

But you, Red Dinger, must be all-knowing, all-seeing and all-judging. So, hit me with your best shot!

To my fellow forum buds: excuse my rant.

it's not necessarily an anti doing this. (i know)

here's something to consider. when someone red dings a person, but doesn't leave a message or leaves one that's not nice... they know you can't reply to them personally, so what's the only reward they'll get from it? you making a deal of it on a thread. some of them merely want to see you squirm and get upset, so take away their reward. ignore them by not responding on a thread.


sally :)

Oma-1
April 19th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Kat - Nice new sig pic - almost didn't recognise you :p


I was reading in the Stargate Illustrated Comp that the hug in TBFTGOG was originally written as a kiss but AT/RDA asked to have it changed to a hug.

Smoochies - always shippy :D



AT also said in an interview that during her screen test she was asked to stand next to RDA with her arm around his waist to see how well they looked together. I mean come on if ship wasn't in the writers/producers minds from day one...why would they care? But who knows, maybe CJ had to pose with his arm around RDA as well for the producers. :rolleyes:

Well, come on! I mean! She had to put her arm around his waist - she's female and human right? Could any of us do any different? :p

majorsal
April 19th, 2005, 05:56 PM
AT also said in an interview that during her screen test she was asked to stand next to RDA with her arm around his waist to see how well they looked together. I mean come on if ship wasn't in the writers/producers minds from day one...why would they care? But who knows, maybe CJ had to pose with his arm around RDA as well for the producers.




Well, come on! I mean! She had to put her arm around his waist - she's female and human right? Could any of us do any different? :p

and the funny thing is is that amanda was only told to stand next to rda, not put her arm around him. that happened by amanda herself. *smart and lucky girl! :D*

sally :D

girlgater
April 19th, 2005, 06:06 PM
I think Teal'c is the original shipper. He may have seen the potential for the Sam/Jack relationship even before they did. I think that perhaps Teal'c (with his age) realizes that life is too short to let regulations stand in the way. Although, he can be quite disciplined. But still...I think he supports them being together and would probably work towards helping it happen. :D

Skydiver
April 19th, 2005, 06:21 PM
I think Teal'c is the original shipper. He may have seen the potential for the Sam/Jack relationship even before they did. I think that perhaps Teal'c (with his age) realizes that life is too short to let regulations stand in the way. Although, he can be quite disciplined. But still...I think he supports them being together and would probably work towards helping it happen. :D


I agree.

i mean, look at t-man. he spent months/years away from his wife and son and didnt' get to marry the woman he loved - sho'nac because of the rules

Skydiver
April 19th, 2005, 06:26 PM
i believe BTS was originally written with the idea that jack and sam had been intimate while mind wiped, then that was changed to more of a UST'y feeling

all throughout the actors have liked and enjoyed the ship angle, but just not too far

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 06:29 PM
i believe BTS was originally written with the idea that jack and sam had been intimate while mind wiped, then that was changed to more of a UST'y feeling

all throughout the actors have liked and enjoyed the ship angle, but just not too far
Well that's just cruel.

:D

Skydiver
April 19th, 2005, 07:11 PM
i dunno

there were originally lines scripted for the force field scene in Upgrades/D&C but amanda and rick didn't want ot say them and, imho, it's far more powerful without lines for folks to quote and rally around

they've done a pretty good job of keeping things going without going so far that they're committed

jafacakes
April 19th, 2005, 07:12 PM
I'm in for mini-shipper day too ! Just tell what time it begins and I'll try to be there on time :)
I'm going to search for ship fics. Do you want something special ? Angst ? Short fics ? Novels ? Related to which season or episode ?
Just tell and I'll try to find it :)

:D mini-shipper day ? Hope to be in a unlurking mode. I've been reading far too much fantic recently and not lurked enough ;)
Anyway just read this one, it is very good . It's called Looking up

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2233287/1/

LOL4JACK
April 19th, 2005, 07:13 PM
Dear Sam,

Don't worry, THEY will make us be together, FOREVER...

This Saturday.... MINI SHIP DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry :o

Jack

gatebee
April 19th, 2005, 07:49 PM
I was reading in the Stargate Illustrated Comp that the hug in TBFTGOG was originally written as a kiss but AT/RDA asked to have it changed to a hug.

See just goes to show you that the writers were thinking ship way back in season 1.

AT also said in an interview that during her screen test she was asked to stand next to RDA with her arm around his waist to see how well they looked together. I mean come on if ship wasn't in the writers/producers minds from day one...why would they care? But who knows, maybe CJ had to pose with his arm around RDA as well for the producers. :rolleyes:
wow TPTB have "always" thought of making Sam and Jack shippy from the word go. The chemistry definitely is present between RDA and AT. I hope now that we are on S9, TPTB follow through their initial idea. Sam and Jack forever...please.

RLOL about CJ....

lonely_star
April 19th, 2005, 08:07 PM
shortiedu!!!
WELCOME

I hope you'll have fun and become a writter more than a reader :)

Someone asked about Daniel...I think as you said that he cares a lot about his friends and would probably wish them to live what he lived with Share but I doubt he really gets how much their feelings are deep and serious. He's most of the time surprised to see how close they could be or doesn't get the allusions or "hidden meaning" of their exchange, just a kind of passive observer who doesn't really know what's happening...because he certainly does notice some looks and smiles
I can't remember in which episodes I got this impression but it's what I think about him. he knows they care a lot for each other but he certainly thinks that they wouldn't do anything against the reg and doesn't really have any proof of what they feel or want so I assume he has just decided not to be involved in that...I'm not sure if my point is very clear here :D anyway, Teal'c is our best ally now that Jacob is gone to his wife's side :( :(

OT guess If MS is not interested in a ship development for his character I assume they'll try to do something with BB(once again BBrowder not BBridges... :rolleyes: ) and the new doc...

ses110
April 19th, 2005, 08:14 PM
parsifal I'am also Happy Jag is not going on to a new Season without there Star.I still cannot believe Sg-1 is going on to a new Season without there Star especially after TPTB kept telling us no RDA no New Seasons.I think TPTB do not want Atlantis on it's own.TPTB want SG-1 around as a lead in for a little longer.It will be very interesting to see if Atlantis cano mkae it without Sg-1 and have the same long run SG-1 had on TV.This might sound mean but I would Love to see SG-1 and Atlantis tank in the ratings this Season.I want TPTB to lesson about not going on without the Star and to not keep a Show on the Air to milk every Penny.

majorsal
April 19th, 2005, 08:20 PM
i dunno

there were originally lines scripted for the force field scene in Upgrades/D&C but amanda and rick didn't want ot say them and, imho, it's far more powerful without lines for folks to quote and rally around

they've done a pretty good job of keeping things going without going so far that they're committed

yeah, i agree. but that can only go on for so long before it becomes stale an/or unfulfilling. time for COMMITMENT!


sally :D

gatebee
April 19th, 2005, 08:31 PM
yeah, i agree. but that can only go on for so long before it becomes stale an/or unfulfilling. time for COMMITMENT!


sally :D
I wonder if TPTB have a problem with COMMITMENT. They are all guys aren't they?

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 08:38 PM
Okay so only one person's responded to my Sam/Jack shippy music challlenge.

Here's what we have so far...

GRACE: When Sam wakes up and calls him Jack
ZERO HOUR: When Jack's questioning his leadership abilities now that Sam and the others are missing
AFFINITY: When Sam shows Jack the ring Pete bought and she asks him about the things that are preventing her from saying yes to Pete. "And what about you? If things had been different..."
THREADS: When Sam's in Jack's driveway trying to build up the courage to tell him of her misgivings over the impending nuptuals as well as telling Jack how she feels about him

So, when else was their music played??? Come on people, think! :D

ForeverSg1
April 19th, 2005, 08:46 PM
???

Why did they do a stupid thing like that??? I mean Dr. Carter and General O'Neill were after all engaged...

Oh I don't know.. maybe they just didn't feel like they knew each other well enough to be kissing already. Oh wait I forgot about the hot and heavy kissing scene in Broca Divide... nevermind...that just shoots that theory out of the water.

AT says that they[she and RDA] felt the 'hug' conveyed a much deeper sense of feeling. I guess I could understand that a bit. I mean they were possibly saying good-bye to each other for the last time... yeah like I would pass up laying one on RDA if it was the last time I would ever see him. *Cough* Pardon me...but we're not talking about me now were we. :o

The real truth is the AU Sam/Jack are both really shy and didn't want to kiss in front of a stranger[ Daniel ]. Yeah that's the ticket.

There's probably suppose to be a kiss in a half dozen other episodes that we will never know about.

*Shakes her fist up into the air and screams ...'WHY??'*

I apologize if you do not find the above as amusing as I did...unfortunately I'm running on 4hrs sleep in the past 40hrs. I promise I'll be better the next time I make a post.

Kat

ForeverSg1
April 19th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Okay so only one person's responded to my Sam/Jack shippy music challlenge.

Here's what we have so far...

GRACE: When Sam wakes up and calls him Jack
ZERO HOUR: When Jack's questioning his leadership abilities now that Sam and the others are missing
AFFINITY: When Sam shows Jack the ring Pete bought and she asks him about the things that are preventing her from saying yes to Pete. "And what about you? If things had been different..."
THREADS: When Sam's in Jack's driveway trying to build up the courage to tell him of her misgivings over the impending nuptuals as well as telling Jack how she feels about him

So, when else was their music played??? Come on people, think! :D

Ah man... I don't recall what Sam & Jack's song sounds like...
Can you hum a few bars for me??

Kat

parsifal
April 19th, 2005, 09:02 PM
parsifal I'am also Happy Jag is not going on to a new Season without their Star.

Particularly after what DPB was going to do to DJE.


I still cannot believe Sg-1 is going on to a new Season without there Star especially after TPTB kept telling us no RDA no New Seasons.I think TPTB do not want Atlantis on it's own.TPTB want SG-1 around as a lead in for a little longer.

I don't think they're terribly worried about Atlantis. I think keeping SG-1 on the air is all about the money. They're wringing all the cash out of it now without regard to the long-term impact on the franchise, not to mention 'lesser' issues like creative integrity.


It will be very interesting to see if Atlantis cano mkae it without Sg-1 and have the same long run SG-1 had on TV.This might sound mean but I would Love to see SG-1 and Atlantis tank in the ratings this Season.I want TPTB to lesson about not going on without the Star and to not keep a Show on the Air to milk every Penny.

I don't think Atlantis will have a problem with ratings. To me, it is now the far stronger of the two shows. Aside from my obvious commitment to Sam and Jack, I have little invested in SG-1 anymore. I might be tempted to join you in your potential Schadenfreude except I've been enjoying Atlantis. (I know, I know, I should have learned my lesson about getting involved with the Stargate PTB's.) Of course, given the spoilers that have emerged about S2, I may not enjoy it as much. Given that most of the shows I like get cancelled prematurely anyway, I'm not going to wish it upon one that seems to be thriving.

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Ah man... I don't recall what Sam & Jack's song sounds like...
Can you hum a few bars for me??

Kat
Okay - lean in closer to you monitor and see if you can hear me humming...

:D

Okay. I'll be serious now. It's the music played at the end of this audio clip:

http://www.powerpromoz.com/stargate/ring.wav

ses110
April 19th, 2005, 09:24 PM
I think Atlantis should do well in the ratings.I have no problem with any SG-1 fans watching Atlantis.I probably should not wish anything bad for Atlantis.TPTB should learn from there mistakes when it comes to Atlantis.Do not have Ship unless you plan to follow through and Do not have the guest Star of the week fall for one character at every turn.TPTB should also try to keep the focus on the entire Atlantis Team and not have a different character be the Star every week.I just wish TPTB of SG-1 did the same thing TPTB of Cheers did.When Ted Danson had enough Cheers was wrapped up.I know there different shows but I'am a Big believer in ending the Show when the Big Star wants to move on.If I was a Big Star on a show that was on a number of Years I think I would have a problem with the Show wanting to continue after I left.

lonely_star
April 19th, 2005, 09:56 PM
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2233287/1/

wow ! just read it..that's a tough one but it's very well written...poor Sam...but there's a happy shippy ending so i'm sure she feels better :p ;) but wow...it's quite deconcerting and different from our version of the team...what do you guys think ? (think the end is pretty funny and touching and a "jail" sequel would be much more funnier :D :D )

SueKay haven't have time to read yours yet...need some sleep before

Uber
April 19th, 2005, 10:01 PM
I think Atlantis should do well in the ratings.I have no problem with any SG-1 fans watching Atlantis.I probably should not wish anything bad for Atlantis.TPTB should learn from there mistakes when it comes to Atlantis.Do not have Ship unless you plan to follow through and Do not have the guest Star of the week fall for one character at every turn.TPTB should also try to keep the focus on the entire Atlantis Team and not have a different character be the Star every week.I just wish TPTB of SG-1 did the same thing TPTB of Cheers did.When Ted Danson had enough Cheers was wrapped up.I know there different shows but I'am a Big believer in ending the Show when the Big Star wants to move on.If I was a Big Star on a show that was on a number of Years I think I would have a problem with the Show wanting to continue after I left.
Hey! Martin Gero answered my Atlantis Q!!! :D

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=459242&postcount=25

I don't know how involved in SG-1 he is at this point, so I didn't even try to ask an S/J shippy question...coward that I am...

:D

TameFarrar
April 19th, 2005, 10:07 PM
Just a quick check in note ((((((((((Shipper Family)))))))))) :D

The Con was EXCELLENT!!!!! no shipper questions were asked and I was in a line for a pic with *someone* so I missed parts of the PTB panels...darn it......

I am sicker then sick with an Upper Resp. Infection I brought home with me :(...But I will try to get some stuff posted.... If you want to look at some Con reports from my *Gang* :D here are two links :D

Shadow's account is VERY good :D
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shadowmaat/

And of course our very own Ship Mum "D
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shipmum/

parsifal
April 19th, 2005, 10:19 PM
Hey! Martin Gero answered my Atlantis Q!!! :D

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=459242&postcount=25

I don't know how involved in SG-1 he is at this point, so I didn't even try to ask an S/J shippy question...coward that I am...

:D

Problem is, the writers' idea of a 'softer side' is all too often an idiotic, ill-conceived romance. I can only hope that "Intruder" won't turn into Weir's version of "Sanctuary".

I guess Martin isn't aware that spoilers about "Duet" have already emerged.

Queen_Bee
April 20th, 2005, 12:23 AM
hey hey one and all

i hath returned...finally real life is not as demanding...
just read the new spoilers for S9.....it all sounds great....i m soo excited.

wow.. i hear people went to a Con.....there is meant to be one in Melbourne later this year...it would be magical to be there....i wil make every effort.

SAM AND JACK FORVER..BIG SHIPPER HUGS!

Lurve
Bee

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 01:15 AM
Problem is, the writers' idea of a 'softer side' is all too often an idiotic, ill-conceived romance. I can only hope that "Intruder" won't turn into Weir's version of "Sanctuary".

I guess Martin isn't aware that spoilers about "Duet" have already emerged.
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing that side of Weir. I don't necessarily agree about the ill-conceived part either. My one criticism about her character is that she's not expressive enough...but then I constantly compare her to Sam. How would Sam react to this or that...

I kind of even imagine how neat it would be for Sam to be in command of Atlantis...but of course that would add a whole new spin to the term "Long Distance Relationship"...

:D

I'm fairly certain Jack wouldn't be pleased...unless he'd be willing to relocate to, well, another galaxy...and how would that conversation play out??? Let's just see, shall we???

=========

Jack's on the couch munching on potato chips and watching the Pro-Bowl on tv. Sam eyes him nervously from the kitchen, trying to build up the nerve to talk to him. After a few deep breaths, she picks up two beers and heads over to sit next to him on the couch. She hands him his beer as she starts talking:

SAM: So uh I have some news.
JACK (pops the cap off and flips it across the room): News can be good.
SAM: It can be...I guess it depends on your perspective.
JACK: I've got lots of perspectives. Some of them even worth hearing.
SAM: Okay. (then, tentatively) How would you feel about moving?
JACK: Again? I just moved to DC.
SAM: Just...answer the question. What would you think about relocating?
JACK: To where? Are we talking Miami? Dallas?
SAM: Oh, I was thinking something a little further away.
JACK: Really? Well, I could definitely dig a tropical setting. Maybe something international perchance?
SAM (nervously takes a swig): More like intergallactic.
JACK (stops drinking, but the rim of the bottle is still against his lips): Excuse me?
SAM: Yeah. That news I was talking about...it looks like I'm being reassigned to Atlantis to take over for Doctor Weir.
JACK: Atlantis? You're moving to Atlantis?
SAM (sheepishly): Well, actually I'm hoping that we're moving to Atlantis.
JACK (stares off into the distance and takes another sip): Atlantis. Wow. I'm going to need boxes. (turning to face Sam) Does U-Haul service the Pegasus galaxy?

:D:D:D:D

I just felt like being silly for a moment. Don't mind me.

:D:D:D:D

Oma-1
April 20th, 2005, 02:24 AM
S9
OT guess If MS is not interested in a ship development for his character I assume they'll try to do something with BB(once again BBrowder not BBridges... :rolleyes: ) and the new doc...

Sorry to be OT for a min, I've been wondering about that too. S9Wonder how MS would feel about his wife being BB's new love interest :eek: :p

With the ship probably not sailing very much with Sam & Jack - although hopefully it will still be floating :p ), I do wonder if they'll be any hints of ship for other characters. I'm assuming there will, but that they'll be very subtle, and possibly even misdirect us a little initially, as they did with Shep/Teyla and Shep/Weir.

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 04:19 AM
(((((TAME))))))

Gald you enjoyed the con, but I'm not going to be reading any stuff from it for varying reasons.

As for the dinger...

I know who YOU are. There are only two names on my ignore list...one of them NEVER visits this thread. I had another five points deducted, but it didn't show up on my comments list, so I turned off my ignore list and lo and behold...the neg rep made itself visible.

go and play in your own thread...all you're doing is generating MORE OT by neg repping...this thread is ON topic until you give a red rep...then you get posts like this. I used to think you were a nice person, and I wondered whether or not I'd made the right decision putting you on my ignore list after our last fall out. Now I know I was right. You'll be off my ignore list for 24 hours only. PM me. I don't want to have to post about this here again. If I get another ding from you though, don't expect me to be quiet...because I know that whining REALLY annoys you.

Zats all on that subject folks!

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK!!!!!!!

Hmmm...what theme do you think we should have for the mini ship day???? Hmm...

Anywho...watched Divide and Conquer for the millionth time last night. *sigh* so sad...so shippy.

I also think I've discovered the moment where Jack starts to think of Sam than more than just a friend. It's in Point of View, when Jack asks Sam how she feels about the twin thing. Sam responds have you got a couple of hours? And Jack says yeah. Sam respond That was the answer...goodnight sir, then walks away. Jack follows her with his eyes, but he has a distant look on his face. He then mumbles goodnight major and walks away. I think that's the first moment he thinks about Sam in a romantic light.

tauripeg
April 20th, 2005, 04:29 AM
:D mini-shipper day ? Hope to be in a unlurking mode. I've been reading far too much fantic recently and not lurked enough ;)
Anyway just read this one, it is very good . It's called Looking up

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2233287/1/
This is a really good story. I really enjoyed it. Mini shipper day huh. Sounds like fun!

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 04:39 AM
I just read a really funny fic by Seanait.

It's not shippy, but I guarantee it'll bring a smile to you face!

The Third Person (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2358385/1/)

Elkeli
April 20th, 2005, 04:58 AM
G'day all,

pretty spooky, ive got 666 rep points! :eek: dododododo!

lol, anyhoo.

Been very busy lately but not busy enough not to content my little shippy heart!

I was watching the Moebiuses the other day with my newly converted shippy friend and this was her most amusing reaction...

Moebius 1&2 SpoilersAt first when she saw AT she was all "oooo spot the bump!" Then when the scene with Sam saying "I wonder if the future me has a boyfriend?" she yelled out, "YES YES SHE DOES!!" Then when the "Someone so...hot" scene came on and ALT Sam said she liked Daniel she's gone, "NOOOO, Don't say that, Whyyyyy!!????" And THEN when the kissing came along she was jumping up and down screaming "WOOOHOOOOO Kissy kissy kissy!" (sounding like a complete child) It was so entertaining! Then when the fishing came on she made a rather 'older person' remark about his fish being in the pond........totally uncool lol.

Thought I'd share :)

Oma-1
April 20th, 2005, 05:01 AM
I wonder if TPTB have a problem with COMMITMENT. They are all guys aren't they?
ROFLMAO :D :D

Oma-1
April 20th, 2005, 05:20 AM
I also think I've discovered the moment where Jack starts to think of Sam than more than just a friend. It's in Point of View, when Jack asks Sam how she feels about the twin thing. Sam responds have you got a couple of hours? And Jack says yeah. Sam respond That was the answer...goodnight sir, then walks away. Jack follows her with his eyes, but he has a distant look on his face. He then mumbles goodnight major and walks away. I think that's the first moment he thinks about Sam in a romantic light.

Mmmhmm - yup, I agree with ya sueKay. I think this is the first time we see Jack considering Sam as someone rather more female than his 2IC and showing a willingness to open up to her personally. There are lots of shippy moments before this, but that's mainly them learning to appreciate each other, becoming friends, or animal attraction :D :p

So that begs the question - when does Sam first consider Jack in that light?

*thinking cap on*

Catysg1
April 20th, 2005, 05:34 AM
Here is the Pro Sam/Jack discussion thread ..an OT and fluff free zone :)

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=10397

Looks great .... Just what the dinger needs ...Good old discussion ..very serious .....and no off topics in that one .

Do you hear Dinger ?!!!

Caty :D :D :p

Rogue
April 20th, 2005, 05:43 AM
Here is the Pro Sam/Jack discussion thread ..an OT and fluff free zone :)

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=10397[/SIZE]

Looks great .... Just what the dinger needs ...Good old discussion ..very serious .....and not off topics in that one .

Do you hear Dinger ?!!! :rolleyes:

Caty :D :D :p

Caty, I really like your new sig pictures. They are so colorfull and BIG. Maybe you should make them bigger. :D

I don't know why we are getting dinged for the the little OT post. The Mods have said that a little OT was permitted on this Thread.

I feel that we have been staying on topic. I go to some of the other Threads like the Sam/Baal thread and its 99% OT so why are we getting dinged for the occasional OT post?

Skydiver
April 20th, 2005, 05:43 AM
I wonder if TPTB have a problem with COMMITMENT. They are all guys aren't they?

the writers have a very serious problem with commitment. they know that as long as there's UST, folks will watch to see what happens. when it comes to rings and china patterns, people get bored,...including the writers

they like to play with ship but will not actually write ship. because i think they don't know how to get themselves out of the corner if they write it

Rogue
April 20th, 2005, 05:52 AM
(((((TAME))))))

Gald you enjoyed the con, but I'm not going to be reading any stuff from it for varying reasons.

As for the dinger...

I know who YOU are. There are only two names on my ignore list...one of them NEVER visits this thread. I had another five points deducted, but it didn't show up on my comments list, so I turned off my ignore list and lo and behold...the neg rep made itself visible.

go and play in your own thread...all you're doing is generating MORE OT by neg repping...this thread is ON topic until you give a red rep...then you get posts like this. I used to think you were a nice person, and I wondered whether or not I'd made the right decision putting you on my ignore list after our last fall out. Now I know I was right. You'll be off my ignore list for 24 hours only. PM me. I don't want to have to post about this here again. If I get another ding from you though, don't expect me to be quiet...because I know that whining REALLY annoys you.

Zats all on that subject folks!

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK!!!!!!!

Hmmm...what theme do you think we should have for the mini ship day???? Hmm...

Anywho...watched Divide and Conquer for the millionth time last night. *sigh* so sad...so shippy.

I also think I've discovered the moment where Jack starts to think of Sam than more than just a friend. It's in Point of View, when Jack asks Sam how she feels about the twin thing. Sam responds have you got a couple of hours? And Jack says yeah. Sam respond That was the answer...goodnight sir, then walks away. Jack follows her with his eyes, but he has a distant look on his face. He then mumbles goodnight major and walks away. I think that's the first moment he thinks about Sam in a romantic light.

How about Beneth the Surface for our mini ship day theme?

Oma-1
April 20th, 2005, 05:56 AM
How about Beneth the Surface for our mini ship day theme?
Sounds like a great idea to me :D

Elkeli
April 20th, 2005, 05:57 AM
the writers have a very serious problem with commitment. they know that as long as there's UST, folks will watch to see what happens. when it comes to rings and china patterns, people get bored,...including the writers

they like to play with ship but will not actually write ship. because i think they don't know how to get themselves out of the corner if they write it
And when boys think they are being subtle its more like non-existant.

Even more spooky, 666 points and 222 posts!!

pittsburghgirl
April 20th, 2005, 06:23 AM
???

Why did they do a stupid thing like that??? I mean Dr. Carter and General O'Neill were after all engaged...
That scene was a lot sweeter and more poignant with the way they did it. If you turn up the volume Gen Jack did tell Dr. Carter "I love you"-but it had more of a heart tugging feel to it with out the full on smooch.

Catysg1
April 20th, 2005, 06:45 AM
the writers have a very serious problem with commitment. they know that as long as there's UST, folks will watch to see what happens. when it comes to rings and china patterns, people get bored,...including the writers

they like to play with ship but will not actually write ship. because i think they don't know how to get themselves out of the corner if they write it


May be they could ask some of us to pop round to the studio for FREE and we 'll show them what to do ...On that occasion if I was accepted ...I will ask for a cup of Coffee and will demand to sit on RDA's laps :) ;) :)


Caty:)

Catysg1
April 20th, 2005, 06:47 AM
How about Beneth the Surface for our mini ship day theme?


What do you mean by that Rogue ?
you mean we start talking about Beneath the surface and move on from there ?!! or we talk about Beneath the surface only?!!! ;)

Caty :)

Rogue
April 20th, 2005, 06:51 AM
What do you mean by that Rogue ?
you mean we start talking about Beneath the surface and move on from there ?!! or we talk about Beneath the surface only?!!! ;)

Caty :)

Don't know. Any suggestions? Suekay asked for theme ideas, I threw that one out. We used 1969 as a theme for our bus trip (mainly because it had the bus).

pittsburghgirl
April 20th, 2005, 06:52 AM
oh i dunno I think Reckoning would be a good theme-considering the boys in vancouver are due for one.

Catysg1
April 20th, 2005, 06:59 AM
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing that side of Weir. I don't necessarily agree about the ill-conceived part either. My one criticism about her character is that she's not expressive enough...but then I constantly compare her to Sam. How would Sam react to this or that...

I kind of even imagine how neat it would be for Sam to be in command of Atlantis...but of course that would add a whole new spin to the term "Long Distance Relationship"...

:D

I'm fairly certain Jack wouldn't be pleased...unless he'd be willing to relocate to, well, another galaxy...and how would that conversation play out??? Let's just see, shall we???

=========

Jack's on the couch munching on potato chips and watching the Pro-Bowl on tv. Sam eyes him nervously from the kitchen, trying to build up the nerve to talk to him. After a few deep breaths, she picks up two beers and heads over to sit next to him on the couch. She hands him his beer as she starts talking:

SAM: So uh I have some news.
JACK (pops the cap off and flips it across the room): News can be good.
SAM: It can be...I guess it depends on your perspective.
JACK: I've got lots of perspectives. Some of them even worth hearing.
SAM: Okay. (then, tentatively) How would you feel about moving?
JACK: Again? I just moved to DC.
SAM: Just...answer the question. What would you think about relocating?
JACK: To where? Are we talking Miami? Dallas?
SAM: Oh, I was thinking something a little further away.
JACK: Really? Well, I could definitely dig a tropical setting. Maybe something international perchance?
SAM (nervously takes a swig): More like intergallactic.
JACK (stops drinking, but the rim of the bottle is still against his lips): Excuse me?
SAM: Yeah. That news I was talking about...it looks like I'm being reassigned to Atlantis to take over for Doctor Weir.
JACK: Atlantis? You're moving to Atlantis?
SAM (sheepishly): Well, actually I'm hoping that we're moving to Atlantis.
JACK (stares off into the distance and takes another sip): Atlantis. Wow. I'm going to need boxes. (turning to face Sam) Does U-Haul service the Pegasus galaxy?

:D:D:D:D

I just felt like being silly for a moment. Don't mind me.

:D:D:D:D


That was funny (((Uber))) I like the way Jack throws his beer cap a la Mulder from "Je Souhaite" ;) ....I do hope they'll never go to Atlantis though ..I find that place a bit dark ...so it gives a cold atmosphere to the area ...it reminds me of the ship in Alien...Cold ..without light ...I actually find it boring when people are stuck in the same place all the time wearing the same old clothes . :eek:

I wouldn't mind them to go intergalactic but somewhere with some greenery waterfalls and a few nice lakes to do some skinny dipping would be an advantage ;)

and you know what I would have loved to see !!!!It's is an episode like "Arcadia "the x-files ..where they had to pretend to be married for a mission ..That would have been great to see specially when they have to share a room or a house :D !!!!


Caty:)

sg-1fanintn
April 20th, 2005, 07:17 AM
[QUOTE=TameFarrar]Just a quick check in note ((((((((((Shipper Family)))))))))) :D

The Con was EXCELLENT!!!!! no shipper questions were asked and I was in a line for a pic with *someone* so I missed parts of the PTB panels...darn it......

[/QUOTE=TameFarrar]

I am positively shocked that all these supposed shippers went to Vancouver and no one asked a single Sam/Jack ship question! How can that be? I would have asked every member of the show staff with whom I came in contact.....just to see if someone would let something slip. Does this seem odd to anyone but me? I'm still fairly new to all this...... :eek:

Kri
April 20th, 2005, 08:53 AM
[QUOTE=TameFarrar]Just a quick check in note ((((((((((Shipper Family)))))))))) :D

The Con was EXCELLENT!!!!! no shipper questions were asked and I was in a line for a pic with *someone* so I missed parts of the PTB panels...darn it......

[/QUOTE=TameFarrar]

I am positively shocked that all these supposed shippers went to Vancouver and no one asked a single Sam/Jack ship question! How can that be? I would have asked every member of the show staff with whom I came in contact.....just to see if someone would let something slip. Does this seem odd to anyone but me? I'm still fairly new to all this...... :eek:

I am not at all surprised. Who would they have asked? TPTB? There were little to no ship questions at our con in February either. And now that season 8 is over, I really feel like TPTB have resolved all that they are going to resolve about past storylines. The show will not be the same. It will focus all on the new characters and aim in a completely different direction. Sadly, I think it's wrong, and a part of me hope it flops during season 9.

I haven't been here much at all lately because of my thoughts. I just think that the Jack and Sam ship is now a thing of the past. I am happy with the 8 years I have been a fan of the show.

ShimmeringStar
April 20th, 2005, 09:31 AM
the writers have a very serious problem with commitment. they know that as long as there's UST, folks will watch to see what happens. when it comes to rings and china patterns, people get bored,...including the writers

they like to play with ship but will not actually write ship. because i think they don't know how to get themselves out of the corner if they write itAmen! And the worst part about it is that while we suspend our belief in order to enjoy the show... some things become totally unrealistic when you have to suspend your belief for that long... year after year after year.... (Because in RL if the two shipping in question hadn't had a convo/gotten together... they'd have plenty of friends who'd have staged an "intervention" early on to get them to own up to their attraction and feelings!!!) :)

ShimmeringStar
April 20th, 2005, 09:46 AM
Just a quick check in note ((((((((((Shipper Family)))))))))) :D

The Con was EXCELLENT!!!!! no shipper questions were asked and I was in a line for a pic with *someone* so I missed parts of the PTB panels...darn it......I am positively shocked that all these supposed shippers went to Vancouver and no one asked a single Sam/Jack ship question! How can that be? I would have asked every member of the show staff with whom I came in contact.....just to see if someone would let something slip. Does this seem odd to anyone but me? I'm still fairly new to all this...... :eek:No, it doesn't seem odd to me. If the con had been this time last year when S/J ship had been thrown front and center with the introduction of Pete in Chimera, yep I could have seen the audience throwing a zillion ship questions at TPTB.

But like Kri said... we're here at the end of S8 and TPTB think they have wrapped things up and they've literally moved on. RDA and S/J just aren't on their priority list unless it serves their new S9 stories and characters.

As far as 'supposed' Shippers... I know Kiwigater and Marimba liked S/J ship and our wonderful ShipperTown Activities Director, Tame, has always been one of our biggest S/J ship supporters.... even when the rest of us were down in the dumps grumbling/mumbling away. But I can't speak for them as to the reasons why they wouldn't/didn't ask. Had I chosen to go to the con (I had toyed w/the idea at the end of last year) I probably wouldn't have asked either, unless given the opportunity to talk one-on-one with the writers. I mean S/J ship questions are avoided like the plague by the writers who answer questions on the forum... they're not going to touch it with a 10 foot pole at a public con. And RCC was there last weekend too & if I do recall about this time last year he was talking about the issues shippers had.... so I don't think he would have lent himself to a ship question very easily by anyone who knows his attitude towards some fans...

But there could always be the chance that the congoers talked to someone *in the know* who swore them to secrecy too.... (though that last part would be very wishful thinking on my part.... :D )

:)

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 09:54 AM
Hey all!

Mmm...I think episode themes are the way to go!

(all long as we don't need to wear those pyjamas Sam and Jack wore in Beneath the Surface!)

I'm trying to think of more subtle shippy moments (I'm a fan of subtlety), but I'm drawing blanks.

Maybe we should also honour all the other semi-related-to-S/J ships!

ie. TBFTGOG - the engaged S/J
PoV - the married S/J
BtS - Jonah and Thera
Moebius - geek Sam and her Jack!

a note regarding my dings - to the person who this moment red repped me...yes I had off topic posts, but the ding was for one on fanfiction...S/J fanfiction...I got dinged for my University posts and never made a fuss because they were warranted...this latest one wasn't

Hex.FTB.enabled
April 20th, 2005, 09:55 AM
Amen! And the worst part about it is that while we suspend our belief in order to enjoy the show... some things become totally unrealistic when you have to suspend your belief for that long... year after year after year.... (Because in RL if the two shipping in question hadn't had a convo/gotten together... they'd have plenty of friends who'd have staged an "intervention" early on to get them to own up to their attraction and feelings!!!) :)
Now there's a scene I'd liked to see. Ok, so if RDA can't come back (as cooler as it would make it), have Daniel and Teal'c sit Sam down. I know it's been done countless times in fics, but I'd love to see what the writers and especially the actors would do.

Hex.FTB.enabled
April 20th, 2005, 09:58 AM
I'm trying to think of more subtle shippy moments (I'm a fan of subtlety), but I'm drawing blanks.
I hear that. The only one off the top of my head is in Shades of Gray. When Daniel says "We drew straws...I lost." The look Sam gives him is hilarious.

Skydiver
April 20th, 2005, 10:06 AM
Ok, guys

Let's take discussion of the dings to PM or the 'about the forum' area of the forum where there's a thread set up for just that

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 10:06 AM
FIC UPDATE FIC UPDATE FIC UPDATE

In Between the Threads - Chapter 6 - In between his sheets (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/6/)
Chapter one link (if you've not read it (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/1/)
Jack, Kerry...the morning after...but what's wrong?
Oh it's getting angsty...

*looks at MB's sig*

wait a minute...was it ever NOT angsty :P

Kri
April 20th, 2005, 10:21 AM
As far as 'supposed' Shippers... I know Kiwigater and Marimba liked S/J ship and our wonderful ShipperTown Activities Director, Tame, has always been one of our biggest S/J ship supporters.... even when the rest of us were down in the dumps grumbling/mumbling away. But I can't speak for them as to the reasons why they wouldn't/didn't ask. Had I chosen to go to the con (I had toyed w/the idea at the end of last year) I probably wouldn't have asked either, unless given the opportunity to talk one-on-one with the writers. I mean S/J ship questions are avoided like the plague by the writers who answer questions on the forum... they're not going to touch it with a 10 foot pole at a public con. And RCC was there last weekend too & if I do recall about this time last year he was talking about the issues shippers had.... so I don't think he would have lent himself to a ship question very easily by anyone who knows his attitude towards some fans...

But there could always be the chance that the congoers talked to someone *in the know* who swore them to secrecy too.... (though that last part would be very wishful thinking on my part.... :D )

:)

I didn't ask any ship questions throughout the weekend at my event either. Partly because there were no PTB at my con, and also because I go to the events as a fan of Stargate, not as just a Jack and Sam shipper. Like I have said before, I was a Stargate SG-1 fan first. There were no opportunities to ask about Sam and Jack. And even the Dan/Jan shippers basically got shot down by Shanks, because he dislikes ship on a Sci-Fi show.

At my first event, in Burbank last year, I was lucky enough to meet Amanda Tapping. The one time when I could have asked a question was when she noticed my photo bag (I have a bag that holds 9 photos, and most of mine were RDA and/or shipper pics). She said "I can see who YOU like!" and my friend commented that she would very well faint if RDA showed up at one of these events. Amanda was such a sweetheart, and gave me a shoulder squeeze, but I really didn't want to focus the conversation on ship. If I had the guts to ask a question, it would have been "so, how could you hook me up with RDA?" lmao, just kidding.

Anyway, I guess this is just to reiterate that I am not the least bit surprised no one asked about ship. There are typically a handful of people who ask a ton of questions. The rest of us sit back and enjoy the con.... and take multitudes of pictures. :D

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Martin Gero's online right now...he's more with SGA than SG-1 but still can take SG-1 Q's...

Perhaps even a shippy from a daring family member???

Hmmm????

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 10:40 AM
Martin Gero? Who's he?

*crawls under a rock*

ahem...anywho...

Yeah...I find at conventions, it's normally about half a dozen to a full dozen who do the asking. It's kinda reflected in the JM thread too...I feel that I need to be careful when asking a shippy question and it's the same at cons too...remember the hostility at the con that opened with a shippy music vid?

anywho...I'm on a writing roll

FIC UPDATE

In between the Threads - Chapter Seven - In between the mountain and the Florists (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/7/)

Reminder - story is based on Threads

Why is Sam running from Pete? And what's Jacob up to?

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 10:43 AM
That scene was a lot sweeter and more poignant with the way they did it. If you turn up the volume Gen Jack did tell Dr. Carter "I love you"-but it had more of a heart tugging feel to it with out the full on smooch.
All right. It was touching. I'll give you that...

:D

I dared to do it! I asked Martin Gero a specifically shippy question...now I'm bracing myself for the pummel of large rotten tomatoes...

:eek: :eek: :eek:

sg-1fanintn
April 20th, 2005, 10:49 AM
Well, if they're so certain that they've resolved the S/J ship, how come we're still not sure? We're not stupid; we just want confirmation.

Uber, if the pummel of rotten tomatoes comes at you, we'll be here to support you. I just don't see what the big deal with the anti-shippers is. The relationship doesn't ruin the sci-fi. It just makes the characters more like real people instead of one-dimensional super-soldiers.

But there I go again...... :cool:

RL calls, and a busy rest of the work day is ahead. I'll check back in late this afternoon!

ohshocking
April 20th, 2005, 10:53 AM
All right. It was touching. I'll give you that...

:D

I dared to do it! I asked Martin Gero a specifically shippy question...now I'm bracing myself for the pummel of large rotten tomatoes...

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Ooo, well done on the ship question! Hope you don't get pummeled *hugs*!

I have to agree, I'd have loved to have seen a snog... I know that's a horrible word, yet we Brits use it all the same :P... kiss, between AU Sam and Jack, considering they were engaged it wouldn't have been a far stretch. However, the scene as it is, is lovely and touching, a full on smooch might have wrecked that. As great as it is to see them kissing, sometimes hugs can show the more tender feelings better. :)

Shipperahoy
April 20th, 2005, 11:34 AM
I just want to make a quick public post in regards to the latest reports we've been given regarding the rep system. First of all I would highly recommend that any issues with any reps you've been given, whether good or bad, be taken to PM so as not to stir things up on thread. And it seems that most red points given out in here lately have been because of OT so I just wanted to clarify something.

It was my impression that there was going to be some OT allowed in this thread and that the Disussion only thread would be for the people who enjoy a thread purely for S/J with no OT allowed? Because if that's not the case I'm wondering why we have the two threads?

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 11:49 AM
Shipperahoy - I'm sorry if I've aggrivated things further, but I had the same understanding as you. If I get dinged for being OT, I normally don't comment on it (apart from the time I went into hysterics) but my initial ding was not for a completely of topic post it was about fanfiction...shippy fanfiction.

There's also the fact that people are getting dinged for completely on topic posts. I've been speaking to Skydiver about this and until earlier today had tried not to comment on the situation.

I realise one of my posts today broke Forum rules, and for that, I apologise.

BUT...dinging's not why I'm here...so here's a question

What's your favourite S/J kiss?

The Broca Divide
Point of View
Window of Opportunity
Moebius

Grace isn't included just to make the decision that bit more difficult. I suggest going back and rewatching all of the kisses before making a decision! :D

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 11:57 AM
I just want to make a quick public post in regards to the latest reports we've been given regarding the rep system. First of all I would highly recommend that any issues with any reps you've been given, whether good or bad, be taken to PM so as not to stir things up on thread. And it seems that most red points given out in here lately have been because of OT so I just wanted to clarify something.

It was my impression that there was going to be some OT allowed in this thread and that the Disussion only thread would be for the people who enjoy a thread purely for S/J with no OT allowed? Because if that's not the case I'm wondering why we have the two threads?
What was even more aggravating was that the posts I got dinged for for being OT were about spreading shippy love... I'm still not exactly sure how talking about Sam and Jack and ship are somehow OT on the Sam/Jack Shipper Thread...

And you're right. There is some OT here...but most of us - myself included - don't mind it at all since I think of these people as friends and want to know tidbits from their lives! Now if we spent pages and pages OT, that'd be another thing altogether...but that's not what's happening.

I appreciate...as I'm sure others do as well...you're coming in here and reminding us that some OT is allowed as long as the brunt of the convo here is on the ship!

SHIP SHIP HOORAY for SHIPPERAHOY!

:D:D:D

By the way shipper fam, still looking for more examples of the Sam/Jack music...

*taps foot impatiently*

Oma-1
April 20th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Whaddya mean Grace isn't included! :eek: :( :S :eek:

Mmmmmmmmm - well, I'll go watch them all again anyway, but I know what my answer will be ......

POV - cos it's so emotionally charged, angsty, shippy, poignant, delicate, evokative ... I'm running out of adjectives :p

Oma-1
April 20th, 2005, 12:07 PM
SHIP SHIP HOORAY for SHIPPERAHOY!


Now I'm thinking about music - but it's not the S&J music but Winnie the Pooh ... arrrrgh! :o :S :rolleyes: :p :D

So we say ship ship hooray
Ship ship hooray for Shipperahoy
(and Skydiver too)

*groans - how am I gonna get that out of my head...*

ohshocking
April 20th, 2005, 12:13 PM
What's your favourite S/J kiss?

The Broca Divide
Point of View
Window of Opportunity
Moebius

Grace isn't included just to make the decision that bit more difficult. I suggest going back and rewatching all of the kisses before making a decision! :D
You just had to remove Grace, didn't you? :p Yes, that definitely makes it difficult! I did like the Moebius kiss, but it did seem to kinda lack the passion of the Grace kiss, it was more a humour kiss. But it was cute. The PoV kiss is great, lovely, angsty... but I'm put off choosing it because of Sam's hair. Ridiculous reason, I know, but whenever I watch it, I just end up staring at the hair... not good :D. The Broca Divide one was, well definitely passionate and forceful, but Sam was, well, too animal like (and not in a good way ;)) and Jack didn't really respond, so I'm going to go with Window of Opportunity. It was lovely, happy, fluffy, non-angsty Sam and Jack, and that's rare. I love how he dips her, and her arm coming up behind his head to show her response just before the loop re-loops. Love it. ;)

gatebee
April 20th, 2005, 12:13 PM
Shipperahoy - I'm sorry if I've aggrivated things further, but I had the same understanding as you. If I get dinged for being OT, I normally don't comment on it (apart from the time I went into hysterics) but my initial ding was not for a completely of topic post it was about fanfiction...shippy fanfiction.

There's also the fact that people are getting dinged for completely on topic posts. I've been speaking to Skydiver about this and until earlier today had tried not to comment on the situation.

I realise one of my posts today broke Forum rules, and for that, I apologise.

BUT...dinging's not why I'm here...so here's a question

What's your favourite S/J kiss?

The Broca Divide
Point of View
Window of Opportunity
Moebius

Grace isn't included just to make the decision that bit more difficult. I suggest going back and rewatching all of the kisses before making a decision! :D
SueKay ...no Grace....I love Grace...THAT KISS and they had to do 13 retakes of THAT KISS....so oh so lucky AT

Shipperahoy
April 20th, 2005, 12:22 PM
The WoO kiss is probably my favorite because it's the closest thing we've gotten to our Sam and Jack kissing. It was really them kissing but Sam just couldn't remember it. Poor poor Sam.

Twisted Angel (Sam_rules)
April 20th, 2005, 12:26 PM
Ok I am just going to jump straight in here about which Sam and Jack kiss I like, it's going to be hard though 'cos the Grace one is not in it! :(

Ok so first of all they were all great and I do find it hard to pick. I think it is between PoV and WoO. PoV is so angsty and emotional but I think I will have to go with WoO. This is because, like ohshocking said, I love it when he dips her and she so puts her arm around him. :D Plus out of the two, WoO is a kiss with both 'our' Sam and Jack (even though there is a loop and only Jack remembers lol) unlike PoV where it is only 'our' Jack and an AU Sam!

Hm I'll shut up now! ;)

~Tracey~

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 12:26 PM
FIC UPDATE

In Between the Threads - Chapter 8 - In between the Trees (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/8/)

Pete takes Sam to their new house, and shows her a future she doesn't want

Read and review please!

gatebee
April 20th, 2005, 12:34 PM
FIC UPDATE

In Between the Threads - Chapter 8 - In between the Trees

Pete takes Sam to their new house, and shows her a future she doesn't want

Read and review please!
SueKay the link does not work

Oma-1
April 20th, 2005, 12:34 PM
What's your favourite S/J kiss?

The Broca Divide
Point of View
Window of Opportunity
Moebius

Grace isn't included just to make the decision that bit more difficult. I suggest going back and rewatching all of the kisses before making a decision! :D

sueKayI hope you're keeping a tally of the votes - so far, Grace is winning anyway :p :D :rolleyes:

And your vote is for .... ??? :D

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 12:42 PM
Sorry...I'm not keeping track! I'm writing fic!

Any volunteers? I think it's normally ship mum or ship nana that keeps score!

gateBee - The link's fixed!

gatebee
April 20th, 2005, 12:48 PM
Sorry...I'm not keeping track! I'm writing fic!

Any volunteers? I think it's normally ship mum or ship nana that keeps score!

gateBee - The link's fixed!
SueKay link is telling me "url not found"

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 12:56 PM
I'm typing WAY too fast tonight...
FIC UPDATE
In Between the Threads - Chapter Nine - In between the Ashes (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/9/)
Sam and Jack come to decisions on their love lives, and Sam confronts him, only to find out a shocking secret

:D

As for my favourite kiss...

Point of View.

It was so touching. It was obvious that Jack wasn't too comfortable with it, but the alternate Sam needed to know that our Jack wasn't *her* Jack.

At first, I was annoyed that the kiss happened in front of Sam, but now I know why he did it...it was so he wasn't hiding anything from her...he was being open and honest...If he'd kissed her without our Sam being there, and she'd found out...that would have been worse.

An added little thing is that the other Sam is wearing her wedding ring...adds a little something to the kiss. :D

GateBee - here's the link to chapter one - http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/1/

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 01:01 PM
SueKay the link does not work
Hey would someone volunteer to beta read my stories so I can post them on the fan fic section?

:D

The Darker Side of Night has a lot of very shippy moments (including a nice long one at the beginning)

Eclipse...no so much...but there are definitely shippy undertones...

Please let me know!

ON EDIT: Specifically for the beta read, I'd need someone to help me find everything from bad grammar to plot holes to poor characterization (i.e., doesn't sound like the characters would say or do what I'm having them say or do).

ON DOUBLE EDIT :D : Perhaps I should wait til I'm done with the whole thing...some other people have suggested that I add some of the content I cut and produce a "Director's Cut" version of the whole thing...

auralan
April 20th, 2005, 01:31 PM
It was my impression that there was going to be some OT allowed in this thread and that the Disussion only thread would be for the people who enjoy a thread purely for S/J with no OT allowed? Because if that's not the case I'm wondering why we have the two threads?

Seeing as I started the other thread, I was under the impression the difference between the two threads was "fluff" not OT (as outlined in the first post over there). There's a lot of very welcome fluff in this thread such a shipper cookies, penguins, fanfic recs, and non-Sam/Jack related Stargate content. Sometimes there's a discussion of Sam/Jack that leads to something OT, like the recent JAG ship discussion. I can see giving a good bit of leeway for those sorts of tangential discussions in a thread that allows fluff. Conversations that start completely unrelated to Stargate aren't "fluff" or a conversation that veered off topic.

The rule of thumb for OT being "some" is confusing as it is open to many different interpretations. What is the limit? If you post thirty times a day, three or four posts might not seem like much at all. If half a dozen people do that and you only have a chance to read a few times a week, that's a LOT of OT posts to wade through at once. A more specific guideline would be helpful and probably prevent a lot of confusion and hurt feelings when people have differing ideas of "some."

Also, mixing completely OT content with a line or two of real content doesn't really help keep the thread topical or very readable. It also doesn't make the OT material become magically on topic. It just makes for longer posts and awkward replies as each person replying tries to mix topical and OT content. I'd suggest a better approach would be to provide a link to the appropriate thread in Off Topic Chatter (or wherever) for continuing the discussion. That way you still can let the people here know you want to discuss your OT issue and point the way to the discussion without taking this thread off topic for more than one post. It would also make it much easier for those of us who feel guilty about taking the thread further OT to respond.

Gatetrixer
April 20th, 2005, 01:38 PM
Okay so only one person's responded to my Sam/Jack shippy music challlenge.

Here's what we have so far...

GRACE: When Sam wakes up and calls him Jack
ZERO HOUR: When Jack's questioning his leadership abilities now that Sam and the others are missing
AFFINITY: When Sam shows Jack the ring Pete bought and she asks him about the things that are preventing her from saying yes to Pete. "And what about you? If things had been different..."
THREADS: When Sam's in Jack's driveway trying to build up the courage to tell him of her misgivings over the impending nuptuals as well as telling Jack how she feels about him

So, when else was their music played??? Come on people, think! :D
It's played in BTS, but I can't remember exactly when. I also heard it in Fragile Balance, which surprised me, but can't pinpoint it- tho it's before regular Jack is back. . Also I heard it in 2010, I think when Jack asked about the "dearly beloved ambassador" at the cabin. Guess I'll have to watch some eps. There are lots more times.

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 01:48 PM
It's played in BTS, but I can't remember exactly when. I also heard it in Fragile Balance, which surprised me, but can't pinpoint it- tho it's before regular Jack is back. . Also I heard it in 2010, I think when Jack asked about the "dearly beloved ambassador" at the cabin. Guess I'll have to watch some eps. There are lots more times.
Thank you!

So potentially:
BtS
Fragile Balance
2010

Let's have some pinpoint moments so I can add them to the list...

:D

And let's come up with some more people!!! When was the first instance, for instance???

dipsofjazz
April 20th, 2005, 02:00 PM
How about Beneth the Surface for our mini ship day theme?
I just love that episode! *happy sigh*. I'm going to miss mini ship day! :eek: *sob*, but I look forward to reading a gazillion pages from you all! :D

Gatetrixer
April 20th, 2005, 02:19 PM
I just love that episode! *happy sigh*. I'm going to miss mini ship day! :eek: *sob*, but I look forward to reading a gazillion pages from you all! :D

Can we re-name it "In theOpen and Above the Surface" just for this one day just to let everyone know that's what we want for Sam/Jack ship from now on? :rolleyes:

Gatetrixer
April 20th, 2005, 02:22 PM
Just thought I'd throw out this in regards to resolving the ship--the notion it kills the shows--there are a few comic strips that got long time couples married off and the strips went on for many more years. Even had children born to the couples!!

lonely_star
April 20th, 2005, 02:34 PM
I'm typing WAY too fast tonight...
FIC UPDATE
In Between the Threads - Chapter Nine - In between the Ashes (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/9/)
Sam and Jack come to decisions on their love lives, and Sam confronts him, only to find out a shocking secret

As for my favourite kiss...

Point of View.

It was so touching. It was obvious that Jack wasn't too comfortable with it, but the alternate Sam needed to know that our Jack wasn't *her* Jack.

At first, I was annoyed that the kiss happened in front of Sam, but now I know why he did it...it was so he wasn't hiding anything from her...he was being open and honest...If he'd kissed her without our Sam being there, and she'd found out...that would have been worse.

An added little thing is that the other Sam is wearing her wedding ring...adds a little something to the kiss. :D

GateBee - here's the link to chapter one - http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2257773/1/


SueKay nice job with the fanfic!! I can't wait until the infirmary scene and the fishing scene, or more specificaly the "before" the fishing scene ;) but have you seen that you can't read the 8th and 9th pages from the fanfiction.net page? if's written 9 chapters but there's only 7 you can read (fortunately you gave us the link to the others)

as for the kiss I totally agree with you, I like PoV a lot, even if Sam's hair bothers me too :( but I think it's very touching just as if they don't dare, they kiss so slowely I think it would be a great "first" kiss for our real Sam and Jack, just as if they appreciate the taste of each other's lips for the first time. I just love jack's face when they split so funny and touching at the same time... I think it's pretty cool to know Sam is watching :rolleyes:
but anyway...Grace kiss is the best ever...until maybe season 9 ... ;) :rolleyes:

maybe we could do the same for the hugs ?? :o which one is your favorite ?
without hesitation mine is the Heroes one...so much emotions in this! and so angsty... :)

Catysg1
April 20th, 2005, 02:42 PM
Of course ((((Gatetrixe))))r ..relationship is part of any TV shows even Sci -fi ..or even more sci-fi specially when it is a long term running series .

I mean Just imagine Stargate, X-files , JAG , Star treck, Dark Angel,,,ect ... without any ship at all !!!! For Stargate ,I may have watched a few episodes but if it was only about the Go'aoulds , Baa'l talking to Anubis and the Jaffas fighting for their freedom without any other human emotions in it ....which means ship ..I think I would have lost interest pretty quickly . :eek:

All my casual friends watch Stargate because they love sci-fi, because they like RDA or the character of O'Neill and they can't miss what is gonna happen next between Sam and Jack ..Saying that they still enjoy the storyline because the ship is thrown in the middle of it and most of the time is part of the storyline except for the Pete Ship which was thrown out of nowhere but then if Sam had to discover herself a bit more to finally get together with Jack ,... This was the only way TPTB thought of doing ..Ah men writers !!! ...So this is what they would do ..if they can't get the woman of their choice , they 'll go for the second best!!!! I hope no .

Anyway ..All and All I still think what we got in 8 years is good .

If I was the writer of course I would have put Sam and Jack together a bit more in Paradise lost ..like I would have made sure they actually talk during the rescue operation and that we see both of them back in the ship .


AND MOST OF ALL I WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT Pete into the show but only guys like Martouff, Orlin , Joe , Narim ..ect ..because I reckon that was enough to create some tension and ...

.....I would have made a special episode where Sam and Jack are stranded on a planet a la paradise Lost , not sure it would be so cruel and they would start killing each other .!!!!I could see more both teaming up to fight for survival against new weird aliens ..so I would have had them run a lot through the forest , built a tree house and live up there for a while while thinking if the regulations still apply after 100 days ... :D


Caty:)

Catysg1
April 20th, 2005, 02:47 PM
SueKay nice job with the fanfic!! I can't wait until the infirmary scene and the fishing scene, or more specificaly the "before" the fishing scene ;) but have you seen that you can't read the 8th and 9th pages from the fanfiction.net page? if's written 9 chapters but there's only 7 you can read (fortunately you gave us the link to the others)

as for the kiss I totally agree with you, I like PoV a lot, even if Sam's hair bothers me too :( but I think it's very touching just as if they don't dare, they kiss so slowely I think it would be a great "first" kiss for our real Sam and Jack, just as if they appreciate the taste of each other's lips for the first time. I just love jack's face when they split so funny and touching at the same time... I think it's pretty cool to know Sam is watching :rolleyes:
but anyway...Grace kiss is the best ever...until maybe season 9 ... ;) :rolleyes:

maybe we could do the same for the hugs ?? :o which one is your favorite ?
without hesitation mine is the Heroes one...so much emotions in this! and so angsty... :)



I also like the point of view kiss ..it's the most touching kiss ..it's very clear on screen ..and long enough ..Actually it is a long scene ...and I like to see a hand with a ring caressing somebody'else hair ..I think what Sam did to Jack's hair was extremely sexy and so was the kissing the bottom lip too ..WOW so beautiful , sexy and all that . :)

Caty:)

ColonelWilliams
April 20th, 2005, 02:49 PM
Hey sorry for the random post but i just had an idea; how about sam becomes a civillian scientist but stays on SG1? She can still kick butt and stuff but she wouldn't be in the military and mayne she and jack could then get together (as long as their feelings didn't interfere with their work too much) or would that still be against the rules?

EDIT: wow after rereading my post i realized that that has probably been suggested a million times :o

Rogue
April 20th, 2005, 03:01 PM
Of course ((((Gatetrixe))))r ..relationship is part of any TV shows even Sci -fi ..or even more sci-fi specially when it is a long term running series .

I mean Just imagine Stargate, X-files , JAG , Star treck, Dark Angel,,,ect ... without any ship at all !!!! For Stargate ,I may have watched a few episodes but if it was only about the Go'aoulds , Baa'l talking to Anubis and the Jaffas fighting for their freedom without any other human emotions in it ....which means ship ..I think I would have lost interest pretty quickly . :eek:

All my casual friends watch Stargate because they love sci-fi, because they like RDA or the character of O'Neill and they can't miss what is gonna happen next between Sam and Jack ..Saying that they still enjoy the storyline because the ship is thrown in the middle of it and most of the time is part of the storyline except for the Pete Ship which was thrown out of nowhere but then if Sam had to discover herself a bit more to finally get together with Jack ,... This was the only way TPTB thought of doing ..Ah men writers !!! ...So this is what they would do ..if they can't get the woman of their choice , they 'll go for the second best!!!! I hope no .

Anyway ..All and All I still think what we got in 8 years is good .

If I was the writer of course I would have put Sam and Jack together a bit more in Paradise lost ..like I would have made sure they actually talk during the rescue operation and that we see both of them back in the ship .


AND MOST OF ALL I WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT Pete into the show but only guys like Martouff, Orlin , Joe , Narim ..ect ..because I reckon that was enough to create some tension and ...

.....I would have made a special episode where Sam and Jack are stranded on a planet a la paradise Lost , not sure it would be so cruel and they would start killing each other .!!!!I could see more both teaming up to fight for survival against new weird aliens ..so I would have had them run a lot through the forest , built a tree house and live up there for a while while thinking if the regulations still apply after 100 days ... :D


Caty:)

If Pete had been a 1 ep fling used to make Sam realize she was not ready to move on, I could have handled it. I would have preferred the writers to have left the significant others out of the story. IMO, there was too much tension between Sam and Jack in season 8 that it made it hard to watch. I enjoy shows that are fun to watch with good interaction between the characters.

marimba26
April 20th, 2005, 03:05 PM
Just a quick check in note ((((((((((Shipper Family)))))))))) :D

The Con was EXCELLENT!!!!! no shipper questions were asked and I was in a line for a pic with *someone* so I missed parts of the PTB panels...darn it......

I am sicker then sick with an Upper Resp. Infection I brought home with me :(...But I will try to get some stuff posted.... If you want to look at some Con reports from my *Gang* :D here are two links :D

Shadow's account is VERY good :D
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shadowmaat/

And of course our very own Ship Mum "D
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shipmum/

Well, I'm totally depending on you guys' accounts bc I am terrible with details lol. As for the ship, here are my comments about what was said (I'm putting this in spoiler space bc there may be spoilers and bc I do not have a positive opinion so if you don't like negative, then don't read--or ding away if you prefer)--
It is my read based on spoilers and what was said by various PTBs both on and off stage that Sam and Jack are a thing of the past. As much as I liked them in their day (and still do like the idea of them together), it's over for them. And I'm not just saying that to be negative, here are my reasons why--

1) AT just had a beautiful baby girl and as such will not be back to work for a week or two yet. They are filming ep 5 now so I understand from their panels.

2) RDA has shot two days in Vancouver and a day in LA so far--with no plans to shoot any more. As far as I know, that shooting pertained to episode one and three with some possible dialogue for one later ep. It was intimated that Jack would possibly cause trouble from Washington for one episode so that might explain the LA shoot.

3) JM very quickly clarified a statement that he made on this very forum that indicated that Sam would be absent for 'personal and professional' reasons to just 'professional' reasons. That seems like a sign to me that they would rather forget they ever started this thing.

I know that none of you want to hear this and there is nothing wrong with loving Jack and Sam. I still like them too but I realize that it does not seem very likely that it will happen so I don't want to hope in vain and be disappointed again. So I ship for them through the end of Season 8 and I happily look back on all the shippy moments. I have stopped at this point bc I don't want to grow to hate it bc I am disappointed. So for me, Jack and Sam are together in my own little world and they will live happily ever after :D End of speech

tauripeg
April 20th, 2005, 03:14 PM
favorite Kiss-I think my favorite has to be Woo. The first time we saw it we all screamed. And we all noticed that she definitely kissed him back. Excellent!
A close second is the grace kiss. The only problem is that it was'nt long enough.

Here's another question that can go along with the kiss question. What's everyone's favorite Hug?

Mine has to be Heroes, It is a comfort hug but it has so much emotion attached to it. And of course RDA put his head down to her neck, Lovely.

Cassie
April 20th, 2005, 03:15 PM
Just a quick check in note ((((((((((Shipper Family)))))))))) :D

The Con was EXCELLENT!!!!! no shipper questions were asked and I was in a line for a pic with *someone* so I missed parts of the PTB panels...darn it......

I am sicker then sick with an Upper Resp. Infection I brought home with me :(...But I will try to get some stuff posted.... If you want to look at some Con reports from my *Gang* :D here are two links :D

Shadow's account is VERY good :D
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shadowmaat/

And of course our very own Ship Mum "D
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shipmum/

I'm glad you had fun up at the Con!!!! Welcome Home! :D
Any pictures? ;)

Thanks for shippy thoughts Marimba!!! :D

I sort of understand why sometimes people don't ask the shippy questions at the conventions all the time. For me I would just be afraid of being hurt by the non-shippers. I understand why they would be stick of hearing the same questions over, over but it's a con. that's the whole point ;)

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 03:16 PM
Hee hee...

I got bored and made a manip!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/sueKay/suzandrick.jpg

well a girl can dream :P :D

THANK YOU for all the feedback! I've got my writing Mojo back! :D

marimba - while I agree with your reasons for no longer being an active shipper...a lot of us are still new to this ship..it'll be a while before I let go (took me three years to let go of J/C on Voyager). I started off as an anti shipper and a year later I'm still making up for lost time.

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 03:19 PM
fave hug - into the fire

cos jack looks adorable when he shivers!

He also whispers something shippy, but I can't remember what it is...

*wanders away*

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 03:21 PM
If Pete had been a 1 ep fling used to make Sam realize she was not ready to move on, I could have handled it. I would have preferred the writers to have left the significant others out of the story. IMO, there was too much tension between Sam and Jack in season 8 that it made it hard to watch. I enjoy shows that are fun to watch with good interaction between the characters.
I agree...the tension between them I think was getting to the point where it could affect their work.

I'm still convinced that Jack took the job so he'd be able to promote Sam to Lt. Col. primarily and that every other consideration was secondary...that right there shows he was already being influenced by his feelings a tad more than he should have been.

This is one reason why I think it's actually going to be good for the show for Jack to be leaving as her CO. She'll have a chance to flourish as a kickbutt team leader without the weight of the ship anchoring her down.

That being said, now that all obstacles have been removed (except for any personal concerns/misgivings related to any strong friendship advancing to the next level) I hope we get some sort of confirmation on some level that they've crossed that bridge...

Here's to hoping for many surprise RDA guest appearances...

:D

pittsburghgirl
April 20th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Here Here Marimba.

pittsburghgirl

Cassie
April 20th, 2005, 03:21 PM
My favorite smooch is gotta go to Grace sooo much chemistry! I think I saw a tongue too!!!
There's a tie for 2nd WoO aboustly loved that one! I think that was the first ep. I ever watched of Stargate and that made me a Shipper! Also the point of view kiss was just really sweet ;)

My favorite hug is Heroes! Jack making Sam feel better is always good and did Jack kiss Sam's neck hhhmmm....

How about everyone's favorite head on shoulder moment.......

lonely_star
April 20th, 2005, 03:22 PM
3) JM very quickly clarified a statement that he made on this very forum that indicated that Sam would be absent for 'personal and professional' reasons to just 'professional' reasons. That seems like a sign to me that they would rather forget they ever started this thing.

:eek: :confused: :eek: :confused: :eek: :mad:
wow!! can't believe that... !!:S
:( thanks for your message and your point of view...anyway I think I'll just wait and see cause i can't believe they just gonna forget about all they've already done and just don't talk about them anymore...

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Here's a silly question for you.

In Citizen Joe...did Sam call Jack or did Jack call Sam??? I mean, she wasn't sitting at a desk; she was in the hallway...kind of like someone told her she had an incoming call and just took it right there.

Then again, Jack was on his cell phone, which could also mean that she called him as he was driving and coming into the house from shipping...whoops, I mean shopping.

You know, I think I'm leaning toward him calling her, because she just doesn't look as though she's comfortable (I mean, she's not sitting down and relaxing like one might expect when calling someone...she's in the leaning against the wall in an open corridor, for crying out loud).

What do you all think?

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 03:30 PM
:eek: :confused: :eek: :confused: :eek: :mad:
wow!! can't believe that... !!:S
:( thanks for your message and your point of view...anyway I think I'll just wait and see cause i can't believe they just gonna forget about all they've already done and just don't talk about them anymore...
Hmm...I'm going to have to disagree with our marimba here...

I know about the change in the spoiler about Sam's reason for being gone, but I don't think it has anything to do with a change in TPTB's attitude toward J/S.

I got the distinct feeling that JM's a shipper and that he did everything but write in neon lights that there's something going on between them.

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 03:32 PM
No I think Sam phoned Jack...she's being playful and twisting the phone cord whereas Jack sounds distracted until he talks about Omlettes...before getting distracted by Homer...I mean Joe...bursting in.

JMHO!

Mini-Shipper day is gonna ROCK!!!!!! :D :D :D

TameFarrar
April 20th, 2005, 03:32 PM
No, it doesn't seem odd to me. If the con had been this time last year when S/J ship had been thrown front and center with the introduction of Pete in Chimera, yep I could have seen the audience throwing a zillion ship questions at TPTB.

But like Kri said... we're here at the end of S8 and TPTB think they have wrapped things up and they've literally moved on. RDA and S/J just aren't on their priority list unless it serves their new S9 stories and characters.

As far as 'supposed' Shippers... I know Kiwigater and Marimba liked S/J ship and our wonderful ShipperTown Activities Director, Tame, has always been one of our biggest S/J ship supporters.... even when the rest of us were down in the dumps grumbling/mumbling away. But I can't speak for them as to the reasons why they wouldn't/didn't ask. Had I chosen to go to the con (I had toyed w/the idea at the end of last year) I probably wouldn't have asked either, unless given the opportunity to talk one-on-one with the writers. I mean S/J ship questions are avoided like the plague by the writers who answer questions on the forum... they're not going to touch it with a 10 foot pole at a public con. And RCC was there last weekend too & if I do recall about this time last year he was talking about the issues shippers had.... so I don't think he would have lent himself to a ship question very easily by anyone who knows his attitude towards some fans...

But there could always be the chance that the congoers talked to someone *in the know* who swore them to secrecy too.... (though that last part would be very wishful thinking on my part.... :D )

:)
Due to the scheduling of the Photo Ops...I was in line to have my picture taken with Christopher Judge when Brad Wright and Rob Cooper were on the stage...... and then I was in line for Tony Amendola and Joe Flannigan during a part of the Martin Wood, N. John Smith and Andy Mikita panel..... They already had large lines at the Brad Wright panel and not enough time for me to get up to the mike. and The one with Martin Wood...well Martin Wood was in rare form and not many questions got asked or answered :D

I could have asked the other actors....BUT I felt that they really have no more clue then we do...it was the writers and producers that might and I STRESS MIGHT have answered anything. :D

and THANK YOU ((((((((((((((SS)))))))))) I love it when I am called a Big Shipper :D :D ;)...I do love shipping and I love Sam & Jack and I have been finding other ways to enjoy them lately however, I do see people are maybe chatting about *Annual Ship Day* July 29th ????? There were ALOT of great ideas last month from many here on this thread about what we could do to celebrate our favorite couple....I will have to find some time to get back there and look... for now I am off work..and I need many antibiotics because I have what I have been told is *Con Crud* :S

lonely_star
April 20th, 2005, 03:33 PM
In Citizen Joe...did Sam call Jack or did Jack call Sam??? I mean, she wasn't sitting at a desk; she was in the hallway...kind of like someone told her she had an incoming call and just took it right there.

Then again, Jack was on his cell phone, which could also mean that she called him as he was driving and coming into the house from shipping...whoops, I mean shopping.

You know, I think I'm leaning toward him calling her, because she just doesn't look as though she's comfortable (I mean, she's not sitting down and relaxing like one might expect when calling someone...she's in the leaning against the wall in an open corridor, for crying out loud).

What do you all think?

yep I think you're right she's in a hallway so I guess if she'd called him she wouldn't have chosen to do that there. I think he has a sudden need and desire to hear her voice :p cause if he called her why didn't he wait until being back home ? :rolleyes: hehe...I assume we have to fill the blank by ourselves once more ;)
but I definitely think he called her ;)

dipsofjazz
April 20th, 2005, 03:35 PM
(((((((((((((((Tame)))))))))))) *hands over a tissue* :p

Glad you enjoyed the con.

sueKay
April 20th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Tame - we're planning a mini-ship day as a sort of warm-up to the BIG event!

Rogue's bringing the shipper hippy bus
GateBee (i think) is bringing the booze
Myself, MB and many others are bringing fanfic

and the theme (I think) 'beneath the surface'...bring your own pyjamas!

It's a sort of mini thing...a sort of training day...just look at Ship day as a marathon and this is a run round the block!

So Ms Activities Director...whadaya think!

lonely_star
April 20th, 2005, 03:37 PM
No I think Sam phoned Jack...she's being playful and twisting the phone cord whereas Jack sounds distracted until he talks about Omlettes...before getting distracted by Homer...I mean Joe...bursting in.

JMHO!

Mini-Shipper day is gonna ROCK!!!!!! :D :D :D

ok I'm definitely NOT sure anymore !! :D :D
good point !! :rolleyes:

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 03:41 PM
ok I'm definitely NOT sure anymore !! :D :D
good point !! :rolleyes:
Okay - but one of them had to have called the other... It just seems to me that if it had been Sam she would have made the call in a more comfortable and more private setting...

And wasn't it also interesting when they were talking about their plans for the weekend (or lack thereof) that Sam didn't mention Pete at all? I mean, for crying out loud, she is engaged to the guy...at least still engaged at this point...and he's not even a consideration. Now if she had been so happy with him and ready to commit, it should have been completely natural for her to spend her weekend with Pete.

That made my little shipper heart sing...

:D

LOL4JACK
April 20th, 2005, 03:48 PM
SHIP SHIP HOORAY for SHIPPERAHOY!

:D:D:D

By the way shipper fam, still looking for more examples of the Sam/Jack music...

*taps foot impatiently*

Uber, I try and I try and I know I've heard it somewhere else... but I can't remember :( :( :(

I re-watched Entity and there was kinda off a shippy song, but it was not with the ding, ding, dingy, ding... used in Threads

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 03:52 PM
Uber, I try and I try and I know I've heard it somewhere else... but I can't remember :( :( :(

I re-watched Entity and there was kinda off a shippy song, but it was not with the ding, ding, dingy, ding... used in Threads
I'll have to wait for my Season 4 DVDs to come in...I know there are more instances than we've got listed here...

Does anyone know when it was first used for them?

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 03:56 PM
they like to play with ship but will not actually write ship. because i think they don't know how to get themselves out of the corner if they write it

i'll show them. two ppl being in a committed relationship doesn't mean it's boring. if it's become boring, it's because the writers are. i might not be a professional writer, but i could show them a thing or two about writing sam and jack IN a relationship (while still being exciting, new, and making the fans want to come back for more). HIRE ME! :p


sally :)

LOL4JACK
April 20th, 2005, 03:58 PM
It's played in BTS, but I can't remember exactly when. I also heard it in Fragile Balance, which surprised me, but can't pinpoint it- tho it's before regular Jack is back. . Also I heard it in 2010, I think when Jack asked about the "dearly beloved ambassador" at the cabin. Guess I'll have to watch some eps. There are lots more times.

2010!!!!!!!!!, that's where I heard it, thank you, thank you, thank you!

sg-1fanintn
April 20th, 2005, 03:58 PM
In response to what Marimba26 said a page back, I appreciate her observations, although she's right: I didn't want to hear that. However, TPTB are pushing (and trying to build excitement for) what's new right now. I can understand why they aren't talking about our ship. And I acknowledge that they're wrapping up the Sam/Jack storyline.

I don't have to ever see Sam and Jack on-screen together again.....as long as those deep feelings we've watched build for four *&^% years aren't just pushed aside! To do that would greatly alienate many of us, and do deep damage to the reputations and integrity of both characters. If they just part them like it was no big deal and Sam doesn't seem to care, I'll feel really lied to and cheated, and I will resist every other change the new season brings.

TPTB have convinced me that in their souls, Sam & Jack are eternally committed to each other. If TPTB maintain the integrity of the J/S ship, I'm open to everything else. But no one can convince me that their relationship was just a flirtation/infatuation that distance ended. It is one of the deep and abiding factors in the show's success, and if it's tossed away like yesterday's newspaper, I won't trust TPTB again on any relationship.

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 04:06 PM
I am positively shocked that all these supposed shippers went to Vancouver and no one asked a single Sam/Jack ship question! How can that be? I would have asked every member of the show staff with whom I came in contact.....just to see if someone would let something slip. Does this seem odd to anyone but me? I'm still fairly new to all this...... :eek:

i don't understand it either. okay, so amanda wasn't there, but the writers were... why weren't ship questions asked to the writers? or at least any sam/amanda questions?!? :(



sally :)

LOL4JACK
April 20th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Ok, finally caught up... Shipping has been wild today!

- The Kiss: ship wise, WOO I think it was the best kiss, Jack taking Sam into his arms and telling her that he was going to kiss her and Sam just being the happiest ever, letting it happen....

Personally, very, very personally I think I would kiss RDA as Sam did in Broca :D :D :D :D

- OT posting, we all come here to ship. talk about ship, think about ship and read about ship, but as the threads says it's the shipper family and we worry about our family, what is happening and what is going on, 3 of my 5 dings in 1 week where on topic and the other 2 was because I talked about the dinging. But I promise I will not post or talk about the mad dining anymore.

- You know when you see 1 and then you add 1 you get 2... so my 1+1 of the day... I saw a recent picture (March) of RDA in the Thunk RDA thread, he had long hair... LONG HAIR!!!!! no military has long hair.... :o :o :o anybody following me :p :p :p

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 04:17 PM
[QUOTE=sg-1fanintn]

I am not at all surprised. Who would they have asked? TPTB? There were little to no ship questions at our con in February either. And now that season 8 is over, I really feel like TPTB have resolved all that they are going to resolve about past storylines. The show will not be the same. It will focus all on the new characters and aim in a completely different direction. Sadly, I think it's wrong, and a part of me hope it flops during season 9.

I haven't been here much at all lately because of my thoughts. I just think that the Jack and Sam ship is now a thing of the past. I am happy with the 8 years I have been a fan of the show.

i don't feel that sam and jack are over/a thing of the past. there was only a partial resolution to things. we saw them FINALLY taking a step in a direction of even admitting they wanted to take it further, so the next logical step is to SHOW them in their first steps of being IN a relationship. whether it's easy to show this or not (because of rda not being around), it can still be talked about by sam and others. i really don't see sam and jack over.

as for asking questions to the writers: i'd have asked! not to harass the writers, but to ask them about a on-going storyline. i'm really disappointed that no one seemed to ask a ship question.

if the show is going to be so different and things (s/j ship) is dropped... then i'll be taking a flying leap to another show. i've had enough trouble staying with this show to begin with, that if season 9 is *really* a different show, with only the title remaining... hey, i want to watch stargate sg-1, with sam, jack, daniel, and teal'c. if it's different now, then change the bloody title. i can take change, just not being manipulated into it.

(why am i being so snarky? :p)


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 04:20 PM
Amen! And the worst part about it is that while we suspend our belief in order to enjoy the show... some things become totally unrealistic when you have to suspend your belief for that long... year after year after year.... (Because in RL if the two shipping in question hadn't had a convo/gotten together... they'd have plenty of friends who'd have staged an "intervention" early on to get them to own up to their attraction and feelings!!!) :)

you ever get the feeling that fans could write circles around the professionals? :p


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 04:33 PM
No, it doesn't seem odd to me. If the con had been this time last year when S/J ship had been thrown front and center with the introduction of Pete in Chimera, yep I could have seen the audience throwing a zillion ship questions at TPTB.

But like Kri said... we're here at the end of S8 and TPTB think they have wrapped things up and they've literally moved on. RDA and S/J just aren't on their priority list unless it serves their new S9 stories and characters.

As far as 'supposed' Shippers... I know Kiwigater and Marimba liked S/J ship and our wonderful ShipperTown Activities Director, Tame, has always been one of our biggest S/J ship supporters.... even when the rest of us were down in the dumps grumbling/mumbling away. But I can't speak for them as to the reasons why they wouldn't/didn't ask. Had I chosen to go to the con (I had toyed w/the idea at the end of last year) I probably wouldn't have asked either, unless given the opportunity to talk one-on-one with the writers. I mean S/J ship questions are avoided like the plague by the writers who answer questions on the forum... they're not going to touch it with a 10 foot pole at a public con. And RCC was there last weekend too & if I do recall about this time last year he was talking about the issues shippers had.... so I don't think he would have lent himself to a ship question very easily by anyone who knows his attitude towards some fans...

But there could always be the chance that the congoers talked to someone *in the know* who swore them to secrecy too.... (though that last part would be very wishful thinking on my part.... :D )

:)

see, this whole thing is reminding me of the way ship and shippers are perceived. how did this subject become so taboo? like we're supposed to only talk about it in hushed tones, with our hands covering our mouths so others won't hear... excuse me, but i'm damn proud of being an s/j shipper! and i wouldn't be one if it wasn't for the WRITERS writing it into the show! yes, i'm mad here. i'm super tired of this label that we've been burdened with. if i'd had been at the con, i'd have asked about where sam and jack are going now. i'm not trying to sound like i'm judging shippers that were there and didn't ask, but i'm just so tired of the un-deserved label of shippers having to literally apologize for liking this friggin thing.

i'm going to scream it from the rooftop. I'M PROUD TO BE A SAM AND JACK SHIPPER! and i'm going to go over to the ask joe thread and ask a ship question. i don't care if i get dinged, i have the right to ask, i have the right to like this topic, and i have the right to express myself.


sally :)


ps - another thing that's bugging me... what if no one asking a ship question gave the writers the impression no one cares anymore about the subject.....

sg-1fanintn
April 20th, 2005, 04:45 PM
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Majorsal.....although I guess that's obvious.

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 04:54 PM
Just thought I'd throw out this in regards to resolving the ship--the notion it kills the shows--there are a few comic strips that got long time couples married off and the strips went on for many more years. Even had children born to the couples!!

see, even comic strips can do it! is it just tv show writers that crumble under the pressure?


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 05:05 PM
as for the kiss I totally agree with you, I like PoV a lot, even if Sam's hair bothers me too :( but I think it's very touching just as if they don't dare, they kiss so slowely I think it would be a great "first" kiss for our real Sam and Jack, just as if they appreciate the taste of each other's lips for the first time. I just love jack's face when they split so funny and touching at the same time... I think it's pretty cool to know Sam is watching :rolleyes:


i like the way you put that. i, too, think sam and jack's first real kiss would be awesome if it were done like POV. slow and a bit unsure, but growing more passionate as the timidness subsided. i could then see them going to 'grace' level on their next kiss.... i could just see jack and sam coming home from their first real date. this is after they've shared their first kiss (slow, like lonely star suggested) already. but anyway, sam invites jack into her house, and before they even leave the hallway, jack pulls sam to him and against the wall. her breathing would suddenly hitch, and then he'd smile THAT smile (the one that turns your insides to mush), and then lean in and slowly kiss sam. sam would moan, grab on, and then we'd get our 'grace' kiss all over again. *sighs thinking about it*


sally :D

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 05:10 PM
I also like the point of view kiss ..it's the most touching kiss ..it's very clear on screen ..and long enough ..Actually it is a long scene ...and I like to see a hand with a ring caressing somebody'else hair ..I think what Sam did to Jack's hair was extremely sexy and so was the kissing the bottom lip too ..WOW so beautiful , sexy and all that . :)

Caty:)

yes! it was very intimate AND sexy at the same time. it wasn't just a couple of ppl kissing, it was who was kissing whom. those details (neck caressing and kissing of the bottom lip) spoke volumes about where this sam's head (and heart) were.


sally :)

girlgater
April 20th, 2005, 05:15 PM
fave hug - into the fire

cos jack looks adorable when he shivers!

He also whispers something shippy, but I can't remember what it is...

*wanders away*

That's my favorite hug too! I love the fact that he holds onto her for dear life--it's so intimate. I can't remember if he says anything or not...I"m going to have to watch that part again. :D

lonely_star
April 20th, 2005, 05:16 PM
i like the way you put that. i, too, think sam and jack's first real kiss would be awesome if it were done like POV. slow and a bit unsure, but growing more passionate as the timidness subsided. i could then see them going to 'grace' level on their next kiss.... i could just see jack and sam coming home from their first real date. this is after they've shared their first kiss (slow, like lonely star suggested) already. but anyway, sam invites jack into her house, and before they even leave the hallway, jack pulls sam to him and against the wall. her breathing would suddenly hitch, and then he'd smile THAT smile (the one that turns your insides to mush), and then lean in and slowly kiss sam. sam would moan, grab on, and then we'd get our 'grace' kiss all over again. *sighs thinking about it*


sally :D

sounds just perfect to me ! :D just add in the scenario the same hand caressing his hair in this sexy way without the ring yet...but you can still write the proposal thing too ;) :rolleyes: it's good to dream... :rolleyes:

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 05:25 PM
[QUOTE=Kri]

i don't feel that sam and jack are over/a thing of the past. there was only a partial resolution to things. we saw them FINALLY taking a step in a direction of even admitting they wanted to take it further, so the next logical step is to SHOW them in their first steps of being IN a relationship. whether it's easy to show this or not (because of rda not being around), it can still be talked about by sam and others. i really don't see sam and jack over.

as for asking questions to the writers: i'd have asked! not to harass the writers, but to ask them about a on-going storyline. i'm really disappointed that no one seemed to ask a ship question.

if the show is going to be so different and things (s/j ship) is dropped... then i'll be taking a flying leap to another show. i've had enough trouble staying with this show to begin with, that if season 9 is *really* a different show, with only the title remaining... hey, i want to watch stargate sg-1, with sam, jack, daniel, and teal'c. if it's different now, then change the bloody title. i can take change, just not being manipulated into it.

(why am i being so snarky? :p)


sally :)
If it were "over" at the end of 8, then why would AT have said of the S/J ship that "if this is the last season then I think the fans will be happy...but if it isn't then we'll have somewhere to go..."

That's an indication that, while it might not be as front and center as it was in Threads, it's still an aspect of the show...

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 05:27 PM
Well, I'm totally depending on you guys' accounts bc I am terrible with details lol. As for the ship, here are my comments about what was said (I'm putting this in spoiler space bc there may be spoilers and bc I do not have a positive opinion so if you don't like negative, then don't read--or ding away if you prefer)--
It is my read based on spoilers and what was said by various PTBs both on and off stage that Sam and Jack are a thing of the past. As much as I liked them in their day (and still do like the idea of them together), it's over for them. And I'm not just saying that to be negative, here are my reasons why--

1) AT just had a beautiful baby girl and as such will not be back to work for a week or two yet. They are filming ep 5 now so I understand from their panels.

2) RDA has shot two days in Vancouver and a day in LA so far--with no plans to shoot any more. As far as I know, that shooting pertained to episode one and three with some possible dialogue for one later ep. It was intimated that Jack would possibly cause trouble from Washington for one episode so that might explain the LA shoot.

3) JM very quickly clarified a statement that he made on this very forum that indicated that Sam would be absent for 'personal and professional' reasons to just 'professional' reasons. That seems like a sign to me that they would rather forget they ever started this thing.

I know that none of you want to hear this and there is nothing wrong with loving Jack and Sam. I still like them too but I realize that it does not seem very likely that it will happen so I don't want to hope in vain and be disappointed again. So I ship for them through the end of Season 8 and I happily look back on all the shippy moments. I have stopped at this point bc I don't want to grow to hate it bc I am disappointed. So for me, Jack and Sam are together in my own little world and they will live happily ever after :D End of speech


well, marimba, if this is true, then i quit. this show isn't good enough to keep me as a viewer (it's been slowly receding since the fifth season). i don't care what the ratings say, the show's not as good as it used to be. (just my opinion)


i still have a hard time thinking it's over for *many* reasons.

* shippers ARE a big part of their audience. why alienate them from the show by dropping such a big storyline?

* keeping ship alive will help to keep jack/rda alive on the show.

* threads showed it was going in a relationship direction.

* quoting amanda herself: (regarding ship in season 8) "If this is the end of Stargate, the fans will not be disappointed. If it's not the end, we still have somewhere we can go."


i'm not going to give up. i'm going to start up my postcard writing again, because i plan on letting the ptb know how much i LOVE the sam/jack storyline and want more.


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 05:31 PM
Here's another question that can go along with the kiss question. What's everyone's favorite Hug?

Mine has to be Heroes, It is a comfort hug but it has so much emotion attached to it. And of course RDA put his head down to her neck, Lovely.

'heroes' is mine too. SO much emotion was played out in that hug that i felt like i was intruding on an intimate moment between a couple.


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 05:36 PM
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That being said, now that all obstacles have been removed (except for any personal concerns/misgivings related to any strong friendship advancing to the next level) I hope we get some sort of confirmation on some level that they've crossed that bridge...

Here's to hoping for many surprise RDA guest appearances...

:D


i agree. the obstacles (regs, boyfriends, girlfriends, excuses 101) have been removed, so let's see the next stage.

the more i talk about this, the more i feel, REALLY feel, that the s/j ship isn't over.


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 05:48 PM
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3)SPOILERS JM very quickly clarified a statement that he made on this very forum that indicated that Sam would be absent for 'personal and professional' reasons to just 'professional' reasons. That seems like a sign to me that they would rather forget they ever started this thing.



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wow!! can't believe that... !!:S
:( thanks for your message and your point of view...anyway I think I'll just wait and see cause i can't believe they just gonna forget about all they've already done and just don't talk about them anymore...


i 'think' it was rob cooper that originally made that statement. it was in one of the official stargate magazines, and it was a couple of months ago at least. i 'think' when rob made that statement, he was believing it would be. but what i 'think' happened was that they'd changed their minds about some stuff, and joe brought us up-to-date with the 'professional reasons only' statement. heck, it could be that sam initially left the sgc for personal reasons (to help jack relocate in dc, and to progress their relay), but that only happened for a short while and when the show resumes, she's already into the 'professional' reason for being away.

i'm not giving up hope.


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 05:52 PM
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Here's a silly question for you.

In Citizen Joe...did Sam call Jack or did Jack call Sam??? I mean, she wasn't sitting at a desk; she was in the hallway...kind of like someone told her she had an incoming call and just took it right there.

Then again, Jack was on his cell phone, which could also mean that she called him as he was driving and coming into the house from shipping...whoops, I mean shopping.

You know, I think I'm leaning toward him calling her, because she just doesn't look as though she's comfortable (I mean, she's not sitting down and relaxing like one might expect when calling someone...she's in the leaning against the wall in an open corridor, for crying out loud).

What do you all think?

i'm leaning towards the him calling her thing too. and for the reasons you said. why would she make a call like this in the hallway, when sitting in her lab would have made more sense? (maybe it was a more personal call, and she wanted to use a phone that wasn't only for business purposes?<g>)


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 06:00 PM
I know about the change in the spoiler about Sam's reason for being gone, but I don't think it has anything to do with a change in TPTB's attitude toward J/S.

I got the distinct feeling that JM's a shipper and that he did everything but write in neon lights that there's something going on between them.

while i've been ranting my socks off :p, it's made me glide over my thoughts on things and i agree with you.


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 06:04 PM
No I think Sam phoned Jack...she's being playful and twisting the phone cord whereas Jack sounds distracted until he talks about Omlettes...before getting distracted by Homer...I mean Joe...bursting in.

JMHO!

Mini-Shipper day is gonna ROCK!!!!!! :D :D :D

okay, you're right about that. so... sam used an outside line phone because.....



sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 06:06 PM
and THANK YOU ((((((((((((((SS)))))))))) I love it when I am called a Big Shipper :D :D ;)...I do love shipping and I love Sam & Jack and I have been finding other ways to enjoy them lately however, I do see people are maybe chatting about *Annual Ship Day* July 29th ????? There were ALOT of great ideas last month from many here on this thread about what we could do to celebrate our favorite couple....I will have to find some time to get back there and look... for now I am off work..and I need many antibiotics because I have what I have been told is *Con Crud* :S


welcome home, tame!


sally :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 06:10 PM
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Okay - but one of them had to have called the other... It just seems to me that if it had been Sam she would have made the call in a more comfortable and more private setting...

And wasn't it also interesting when they were talking about their plans for the weekend (or lack thereof) that Sam didn't mention Pete at all? I mean, for crying out loud, she is engaged to the guy...at least still engaged at this point...and he's not even a consideration. Now if she had been so happy with him and ready to commit, it should have been completely natural for her to spend her weekend with Pete.

That made my little shipper heart sing...

:D

mine too! :D sam was so flirtynervous with him that it felt so new couple like... *sighs in thought*


sally :)

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 06:22 PM
No I think Sam phoned Jack...she's being playful and twisting the phone cord whereas Jack sounds distracted until he talks about Omlettes...before getting distracted by Homer...I mean Joe...bursting in.

JMHO!

Mini-Shipper day is gonna ROCK!!!!!! :D :D :D
Just her twisting the phone cord and being playful doesn't seem like a clear indication that she called him. It seemed like a clear indication that she was thoroughly enjoying talking to him in a very casual and somewhat flirtatious way (not a "sir" to be heard).

And regarding Jack...I've been known to want to speak to someone while driving...and I'd call them up...but the conversation would go longer than expected and I'd have to get out of the car and juggle whatever I was carrying into the house...

My conclusion? He called her.

sg-1fanintn
April 20th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Well, we knew from the start that she wasn't really committed to Pete. She just felt Jack was unattainable and thought she ought to try to get the things she wanted out of life from someone else.

And, of course, Jack took up his dalliance with Kerry because he thought Sam had moved on......and he was just trying to dull the pain.

In other words, they were both trying to settle for less than they deserve. Now, they both realize they were wrong, and that there is no substitute for what they really want: each other!

That's so clear to us! Why isn't it clear to TPTB??????? After all, they're the ones who lead us here!!!!!

Is it so wrong for us to want Sam and Jack to be happy? They've earned it. They've died (and almost died) saving our Earth-bound butts so many times that they deserve a little love and ;) fulfillment ;) .....to give them something to live for and to help them relax between intergalactic attacks.

I hope RDA takes S9 off, then comes back (a la MS) for a big S10.....right before the movie production starts!!!!!!!

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 06:32 PM
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Majorsal.....although I guess that's obvious.


thanks, sg1fan. ;)

if anyone's interested in writing postcards or letters to the powers that be, here's some addresses to write to.

if you decide to write, please consider being nice/gentle and constructive. all of my postcards i've written over time have been to say how much i like/love sam and jack ship, and how i'd like it to continue. i don't want to insult or upset the ppl i'm literally begging here.<g> i just keep it simple and tell them what i desire. and want MORE. :D

~~~

addresses:

Stargate SG-1 Productions
Attn: Robert C. Cooper
The Bridge Studios
2400 Boundary Road
Burnaby, B.C.
Canada
V5M 3Z3



The Sci-Fi Channel
Attn: Dave Howe, General Manager
1230 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10020-1513



MGM Television Entertainment
Attn: Hank Cohen, President
2500 Broadway Street
Santa Monica, CA 90404-3061


i live in california, so writing scifi channel and mgm only requires one stamp for me. when i write rob in canada, i have to use two stamps.


all this talk has got the fire lit up under my feet, so i'm going to start writing! :D


sally :)

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Here's a report from the convention, posted by tsaxlady on the Sam's a Great Character thread. Please note the disturbing lack of shipper response to Martin Wood...



<snip about luggage>
S/J question was asked to Martin Wood, Andy Mikita, and N.John Smith. Martin asked how many shippers there were in the crowd - a little less than 1/4 of the people rasied their hands. He then went on to say the even thou RDA is currently schedule to be in just 2 episodes for S9 - the character of Jack O'Neill will still be an important part of Stargate - RDA wanted them to leave the door open for possible future appearances.

After listening to several different panels it sounds like they will be doing more team centered episodes this season. Christopher Judge really emphasised that even though the show is taking a new direction with the Arthurian mythology the team gets to go back to traveling more through the Stargate this year and there will be more off world adventures.

We saw a clip from S9 - I'll put this in spoiler tags for those that don't want any info on S9 The first scene they showed us was off Daniel & Col. Mitchell arguing - Mitchell said (not exact quote but close) "General O'Neill gave me my choice of assignments I chose SG-1 because I wanted to learn from the best Col. Carter, Teal'c and you Dr. Jackson" It is the scene were he is trying to get Daniel back to the SGC to be part of SG-1 again.

Next we see Vala inter through the Stargate and Mitchell and General Landry are waiting for her at the bottom of the ramp.

Then we see Lou Gossett Jrs character walking down the halls of the SGC talking with General Landry. The a shot of him and Teal'c

General Landry talking with Dr. Lam.

Then of course a scene of stuff blowing up.

As for Vala being in 6 instead of 5 episodes - well the first show of the new season was only scheduled to be a 2 parter but Martin Woods joked with Andy Mikita that everytime he does an episode it ends up running long. So the 2 parter became a 3 parter with almost enough footage to make it a 4 parter.

The episode that brings back Orlin will have some important Sam stuff in it. Martin also said that he is working on an episode to bring back the Aschen - which I would think this would be a Sam heavy episode.

From the sounds of things they really feel like as long as the ratings are good this will not be the last season for SG-1. At the same time it was said that if it is there is the possiblity of another spin-off and a movie is still not completly out of the question for the future.

Although Sam is my favorite character - AT has to have sometime off since having Olivia - but I think we will see a strong Carter when she returns.

Okay that is it for now because I've got to go to a rehearsal - I will post more later. :)
Do shippers NOT go to conventions??? I don't want TPTB thinking that we're not a force to be reckoned with!!!

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 06:38 PM
[QUOTE=majorsal]
If it were "over" at the end of 8, then why would AT have said of the S/J ship that "if this is the last season then I think the fans will be happy...but if it isn't then we'll have somewhere to go..."

That's an indication that, while it might not be as front and center as it was in Threads, it's still an aspect of the show...

yep! :D

i was going to rep you, uber, but i seem to use up all my repping in the sam's a great character thread. :p


sally :)

ses110
April 20th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Sally I agree 100%.If I spent Money to go to a convention you can be sure I would ask about Sam and Jack Ship.If TPTB and the Actors or others Fans do not like it too bad.I watched the Show every week and spend alot of Money on the DVD'S.I'am entitled to like anything I want about the Show and ask any questions as long as I'am being repsectful there should be no problem.I also agree Sally when you say when no one ask a question it gives the impression no one cares.We Shippers have been too patient and Loyal to the Show and I think it hurt us.I may be wrong on this but if we stayed away from the beginning of Season 8 and the ratings were hurting TPTB may have given us a great Sam and Jack resolution.Then again probably not.I was tempted to walk away after New Order.I'am kicking myself for not missing most of the Season 8 episodes.It not like I missed that much.

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Here's a report from the convention, posted by tsaxlady on the Sam's a Great Character thread. Please note the disturbing lack of shipper response to Martin Wood...

i know that without amanda there, the biggest contingent of shippers will be absent. i mean, if i could afford to go to a con like this, i would have passed because i really only want to see amanda (and rda). and that's not just because of ship, but because they're my two fave characters and actors on the show.


Do shippers NOT go to conventions??? I don't want TPTB thinking that we're not a force to be reckoned with!!!


yes! i hope they don't think we don't care anymore?... no, how could they. i'm sure joe tells them we're still alive and well and INTERESTED.


sally :)

ses110
April 20th, 2005, 07:00 PM
I guess some good news about RDA leaving the door open about future episodes.You can bet if the rating go south for Season 9 TPTB will be pleading for RDA to make a couple of appearances and there's a good chance we'll get what we want as far as Ship.If the ratings remain High I'am afraid there will be little pressure to have some Shippy episodes.The Bad News is it looks like an Aschen episode may be in the making and we Shippers all know what that means.We may be seeing Joe.I lost track on the number of Sam Man Friend that makes for Season 9.I think it's 100.

Buc252
April 20th, 2005, 07:05 PM
the writers have a very serious problem with commitment. they know that as long as there's UST, folks will watch to see what happens. when it comes to rings and china patterns, people get bored,...including the writers

they like to play with ship but will not actually write ship. because i think they don't know how to get themselves out of the corner if they write it

Well, they're wrong on this one, and I hope I'm not alone. I'm *NOT* watching any longer with this UST crap, but I would watch if there had been rings and china patterns. The only reason people get bored with committed couples is because the writers aren't competent enough to write it well. It's fully possible, and has been done in dramas and Scifi before (Tom and B'Elanna anyone?). UST can't last forever, so it's either put up, or quit. I foresee shippers quitting very soon, if they haven't already.

gatebee
April 20th, 2005, 07:13 PM
i like the way you put that. i, too, think sam and jack's first real kiss would be awesome if it were done like POV. slow and a bit unsure, but growing more passionate as the timidness subsided. i could then see them going to 'grace' level on their next kiss.... i could just see jack and sam coming home from their first real date. this is after they've shared their first kiss (slow, like lonely star suggested) already. but anyway, sam invites jack into her house, and before they even leave the hallway, jack pulls sam to him and against the wall. her breathing would suddenly hitch, and then he'd smile THAT smile (the one that turns your insides to mush), and then lean in and slowly kiss sam. sam would moan, grab on, and then we'd get our 'grace' kiss all over again. *sighs thinking about it*


sally :D
wow those are really HOT kissing of Sam and Jack.....pours cold water on all shippers reading it.......goes back and reads it......hehehehehehe ...just love the very idea of Sam and Jack finally kissing in real time

Daniel's_twin
April 20th, 2005, 07:14 PM
wow those are really HOT kissing of Sam and Jack.....pours cold water on all shippers reading it.......goes back and reads it......hehehehehehe ...just love the very idea of Sam and Jack finally kissing in real time

Thanx for the water. *whew* :cool:

Buc252
April 20th, 2005, 07:15 PM
BUT...dinging's not why I'm here...so here's a question

What's your favourite S/J kiss?

The Broca Divide
Point of View
Window of Opportunity
Moebius

Grace isn't included just to make the decision that bit more difficult. I suggest going back and rewatching all of the kisses before making a decision! :D

Well, personally, I'd disqualify Moebius right away, because that wasn't Sam and Jack - it was an AU version. I'd also disqualify Point of View because it was half AU - not Sam and Jack as we know them. That leaves Broca and WOO. This being the case, WOO is hands down the winner for me. It's the only one of the two where both kissers <g> were in of their own free will and in total control of their faculties. :D

And for the record, I also would have disqualified Grace, because it didn't really even happen. <g>

Kri
April 20th, 2005, 07:16 PM
[QUOTE=Kri]

i don't feel that sam and jack are over/a thing of the past. there was only a partial resolution to things. we saw them FINALLY taking a step in a direction of even admitting they wanted to take it further, so the next logical step is to SHOW them in their first steps of being IN a relationship. whether it's easy to show this or not (because of rda not being around), it can still be talked about by sam and others. i really don't see sam and jack over.

as for asking questions to the writers: i'd have asked! not to harass the writers, but to ask them about a on-going storyline. i'm really disappointed that no one seemed to ask a ship question.

if the show is going to be so different and things (s/j ship) is dropped... then i'll be taking a flying leap to another show. i've had enough trouble staying with this show to begin with, that if season 9 is *really* a different show, with only the title remaining... hey, i want to watch stargate sg-1, with sam, jack, daniel, and teal'c. if it's different now, then change the bloody title. i can take change, just not being manipulated into it.

(why am i being so snarky? :p)


sally :)

Sally, those are just my thoughts. I truly think that TPTB purposely left the season 8 ending vague, so that the viewers could draw their own conclusions. I believe that TPTB thought that they would be able to satisfy everyone without actually siding with one fan base or another. For us, it probably wasn't enough. And I agree with your last paragraph. I won't be staying around for season 9, if the show is that drastically different, like I think it will be.

As for the conventions, I think everyone goes for different reasons. I go because I like to see how these people are in real life. I like to hear them talk about the behind the scenes practical jokes, the friendships, the parties, their home lives - if they want to discuss that, etc. I honestly have never attended any type of fan event to hear scoop on the shows. I am probably in the minority on this, but I would just rather see how the actors are in person as opposed to listening to the writers talk on stage about upcoming storylines. AND, by the time I went in February, I already knew how season 8 was going to end, so I already had my own spin on the lack of ship in season 9.

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 07:20 PM
Well, personally, I'd disqualify Moebius right away, because that wasn't Sam and Jack - it was an AU version. I'd also disqualify Point of View because it was half AU - not Sam and Jack as we know them. That leaves Broca and WOO. This being the case, WOO is hands down the winner for me. It's the only one of the two where both kissers <g> were in of their own free will and in total control of their faculties. :D

And for the record, I also would have disqualified Grace, because it didn't really even happen. <g>
I agree. WOO for the reasons above.

I wish I could nominate one of the kisses from The Darker Side of Night... but alas, it only came from my imagination and not that of TPTB...

*shippy sigh*

ses110
April 20th, 2005, 07:54 PM
Mary TPTB on alot of these Shows complicate the Ship when there's no reason.In terms of Sam and Jack back in the Season 4 TPTB could have put Sam and Jack together and every couple of episodes or so we could have seen Sam and Jack having Dinner watching TV and maybe a Hug and a Kiss then most of the episodes could be focused on the Team.It would have been great to see 2 characters trying to balance there private Lives with there Dangerous Job.It would have shown Jack is more than just Military and Sam is more than a Scientist.I love Ship because it opens the characters uo some much more and makes everything interesting.TPTB could have taken there time in building the Sam and Jack relationship so most of the Fans could have gotten used to it and learned to except it.

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 07:58 PM
As for the conventions, I think everyone goes for different reasons. I go because I like to see how these people are in real life. I like to hear them talk about the behind the scenes practical jokes, the friendships, the parties, their home lives - if they want to discuss that, etc. I honestly have never attended any type of fan event to hear scoop on the shows. I am probably in the minority on this, but I would just rather see how the actors are in person as opposed to listening to the writers talk on stage about upcoming storylines. AND, by the time I went in February, I already knew how season 8 was going to end, so I already had my own spin on the lack of ship in season 9.

i'm sorry, kri, if i made you feel defensive about not asking s/j questions at the con. i'm sorry to anyone if i made them feel that way. it's all really how 'others' have made us feel over time, like we shouldn't ask because it's such a hush-hush subject. like how we were treated when we posted ship questions to joe on the ask joe thread. so someone doesn't want to read the same question over and over. then don't read it, but don't tell me what i can and can't ask in a free forum. it's all the same thing, of how we've been subjugated into feeling like we're second class citizens because we like sam and jack ship. my response - i'm here. i ain't going anywhere. deal with it.


sally :)

Skydiver
April 20th, 2005, 08:01 PM
IMHO

if sam had called jack, she woulda done it from her office, not a public hallway where everyone and anyone could overhear. thus, imho, he called her, she wasn't in her lab, so he had her paged which is why she picked up the call on a hall phone

Skydiver
April 20th, 2005, 08:07 PM
you know, i think y ou have a point with a lack of amanda being a reason for a lack of shippers.

now i'm speaking MASSIVELY GENERALLY here and not trying to offend anyone, however many fans of MS, CJ and the others don't tend to like ship between sam and jack. so with no amanda to draw the ship liking fans, then it just makes sense that shippers would be a minority.

given the influx of cons and the tremendous cost of said cons, fans have to make choices and i know i'd rather spend my money on a con that amanda is at, not to see MS, CJ et al again. I've seen them before, heard the jokes/stories, seen the schtick and it's not worth my vacation time and thousands of dollars to see what is to me, a rerun.

marimba26
April 20th, 2005, 08:13 PM
i'm not going to give up. i'm going to start up my postcard writing again, because i plan on letting the ptb know how much i LOVE the sam/jack storyline and want more.

Please notice what I *didn't* say here. I didn't say that there would be nothing, I just don't think there will be anything on screen. Just MHO of course and I am not a PTB so my opinion doesn't mean diddly. I was simply saying why I have focused my attention more strongly elsewhere. As I did say, I'll always love Sam and Jack and I can't think of anything that's going to change that. I'll always love reading them in fanfic and seeing videos but I'm sticking with that for now (unless of course TPTB surprise me).

To address the issue of why I didn't stand up and ask a shipper question. When I was standing in line to ask a question to Brad and RCC, I was VERY tempted to rip RCC to shreds over my extreme disappointment in season 8. I could have stood there and told him how extremely displeased I was with his so-called 'resolution' to the ship but what would be the point?

Last year many shippers wrote letters about how displeased they were with *he-who-shall-not-be-named* and what happened? We were told we had issues and RCC went on to bring that awful character back time after time. It is my contention that, while the PTB may be reading what we are writing, they are listening to what they want to hear (this does not necessarily apply to all PTB but it does apply to RCC--I'll explain why I feel that way later). So I decided that the only thing that could possibly be accomplished by it would be to divide the fandom that much more--something I don't want--or possibly I could be removed by security--something I definitely didn't want.

Ship has become a flashpoint issue in the fandom and too many people take it personally. People have gotten belligerent over it and I've even heard of fights (though I couldn't confirm that story so it could be urban legend). My point here is that I couldn't see a need to ask a question that RCC probably wouldn't answer any differently than before.

As to why I don't think he's listening--I did ask a serious question about his research into the King Arthur legend, a legend I have studied quite a bit. He brushed me off with an off-hand comment about there being plenty of info on the internet and moved on. So basically he didn't answer my question seriously. I doubt he would have answered the ship question seriously either.

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 08:14 PM
IMHO

if sam had called jack, she woulda done it from her office, not a public hallway where everyone and anyone could overhear. thus, imho, he called her, she wasn't in her lab, so he had her paged which is why she picked up the call on a hall phone
THANK YOU!

That was my point exactly.

Frankly, if true, I think it means more that he called her and not the other way around...because he was thinking of her and just wanted to shoot the breeze with her...

:D

marimba26
April 20th, 2005, 08:17 PM
My favorite smooch is gotta go to Grace sooo much chemistry! I think I saw a tongue too!!!


I must second your feelings on that Grace kiss! That is one HOT kiss!!! :D

Buc252
April 20th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Mary TPTB on alot of these Shows complicate the Ship when there's no reason.In terms of Sam and Jack back in the Season 4 TPTB could have put Sam and Jack together and every couple of episodes or so we could have seen Sam and Jack having Dinner watching TV and maybe a Hug and a Kiss then most of the episodes could be focused on the Team.It would have been great to see 2 characters trying to balance there private Lives with there Dangerous Job.It would have shown Jack is more than just Military and Sam is more than a Scientist.I love Ship because it opens the characters uo some much more and makes everything interesting.TPTB could have taken there time in building the Sam and Jack relationship so most of the Fans could have gotten used to it and learned to except it.

I tried to rep you, but I couldn't, so instead, I'll just say that I agree 100%. As I said earlier on this thread, the final frontier isn't in space - it's in human relationships. <g>

gatebee
April 20th, 2005, 08:27 PM
I tried to rep you, but I couldn't, so instead, I'll just say that I agree 100%. As I said earlier on this thread, the final frontier isn't in space - it's in human relationships. <g>
wow ((((((((( Buc252)))))))) "the final frontier is not space - it's in human relationship"
that is so awesome....

marimba26
April 20th, 2005, 08:33 PM
you know, i think y ou have a point with a lack of amanda being a reason for a lack of shippers.

now i'm speaking MASSIVELY GENERALLY here and not trying to offend anyone, however many fans of MS, CJ and the others don't tend to like ship between sam and jack. so with no amanda to draw the ship liking fans, then it just makes sense that shippers would be a minority.

given the influx of cons and the tremendous cost of said cons, fans have to make choices and i know i'd rather spend my money on a con that amanda is at, not to see MS, CJ et al again. I've seen them before, heard the jokes/stories, seen the schtick and it's not worth my vacation time and thousands of dollars to see what is to me, a rerun.

This I can see but Joe Flanigan and Martin Wood were worth every dime. Joe is a true gentleman and one of the nicest people you'd ever meet. He's funny and self-deprecating and he answered every question seriously. You can't say that about that many people. He's a lot like Amanda in that way. As for Amanda, I enjoyed her tremendously last year at Gatecon and I'm glad she's getting some well-deserved time off to be with her new baby.

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 08:44 PM
wow ((((((((( Buc252)))))))) "the final frontier is not space - it's in human relationship"
that is so awesome....
That's how Gene Roddenberry made the Trek legacy what it was. The best episodes all had to do with the relationships and how they were affecting people's lives. The worse ones were typically the ones that focused only on technology or special effects.

This is also why SG-1 is such a great show. Sure, the special affects are cool, so are the stories, the sets, the weapons, the ships, etc. But the true key to the success of the show is the bond, the connection between the lead characters. I care about them and their lives. I want them to be happy. I was pulling for Daniel to find Sha're and hurt for him when he lost her. I wanted Teal'c to be reunited with his son and wife, and mourned when he lost her.

And within that realm of bonds and relationships, we find a very special element...a seed that simply cannot be fabricated...it must come from truth. And this small kernel is the tangible attraction between Sam and Jack. It just is. He's the sexy yet somewhat dense hero, she's the serious scientist soldier (hmmm, that sounds somewhat familiar)...but the point is, they each possess what the other lacks and together, you just sense that they complete each other.

And to those who think that this is some machination of the writers...the truth is that the public and TPTB and the cast of ANY show can tell whether or not there is something there between the characters. If it's not there and the writers try to create something, it flops miserably because that "something" simply isn't there. And when this happens, I'm the first to point out that a so-called couple has the chemistry of a mop.

Not so with Sam and Jack. It's in their eyes, the way that they look at each other, the way they relate...the vibe they generate when in a room together, or even when walking down a hallway like at the end of Zero Hour. The smiles, the subtle looks and facial expressions like in Sacrifices...the little things that add up year after year and scream that these people have feelings that extend beyond what they're supposed to feel.

Now I hate having to quote Kinsey of all people, but he got it right in Inauguration when he said:

KINSEY: Oh I believe there's a lot more to this (Sam and Jack) than we've been told. Well, of course I hardly expect them to incriminate themselves in their own reports...but we can all read between the lines.

Okay folks! If even Kinsey, the biggest NIT in the galaxy can see it...

ses110
April 20th, 2005, 08:52 PM
I would only go to an SG-1 Convention if RDA or AT are there.No offense to the other Actors or TPTB.I could live with TPTB or the Actors not answering my Question.I just want to be able to say I tried to ask my Question.I'am not interested in the private lives of the Actors or TPTB.I do not expect to hear all the secrets of the Show but as a Shipper I do not think I could hold back from asking a Shipper question even if things look bleak right now for Sam and Jack Ship.IMO the Actors and TPTB should do there best to answer all question pertaining to the Show.The Fans spend good Money on the DVD's and spend there Time and Money on the Conventions and TPTB and Actors should not brush anyone off.If TPTB and Actors do not want to answer Questions they should not go to the Conventions.

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 09:04 PM
wow ((((((((( Buc252)))))))) "the final frontier is not space - it's in human relationship"
that is so awesome....


i know, that's a great phrase!

sally :D

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 09:07 PM
I agree. WOO for the reasons above.

I wish I could nominate one of the kisses from The Darker Side of Night... but alas, it only came from my imagination and not that of TPTB...

*shippy sigh*

Aw...come on, people! The first kiss is at least as good as the Grace kiss, even better because it's significantly longer and, well, not the delirious fantasy of a woman suffering from a horrific concussion.

Will one of you second me here??? (hopefully you've read both stories and have of course posted your reviews...) :D

...and if you're NOT careful, I'll actually post the full text of one of them!!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Come on, just dare me to do it!!! I dare ya to dare me!

Hmm. Okay. No more coffee for me... :D:D:D:D:D

ses110
April 20th, 2005, 09:09 PM
Very well put Uber SG-1 Fan and Mary.I Love watching and finding out what happens next with the characters.I do not Love the special affect or Weapons.I get hooked on the Characters and there Adventures.I get hooked on my favorite characters and when they leave it does not matter to me what Actor or Character they bring in as a replacement it's never going to be the same.Law and Order does a great Job but I want to know my Favorite character will be on next week and I need to follow my favorite character more than follow a new story each week.I want to see my character on the Job and sometiems outside of the Job.I also want to see my Character get involved in Shippy and non Shippy relationships.I do not want my character acting like a Robot with only there Focus on there work.R2-D2 and C-3PO are great but I would not want to watch them every week.

kiwigater
April 20th, 2005, 10:11 PM
*musing* I haven't read ALL the pages that got posted while I was at the con but I did read the last few. I definitely raised my hand as being a shipper when they asked. I thought hard about why there weren't more shippy questions, and to be honest, it didn't even OCCUR to me to ask the question - mostly because I know there's no way they can answer that to my satisfaction, and for me at least cons tend not to be so much about castigating TPTB for things that I didn't like that already happened, but to express excitement about the future and to get to know the people behind the magic a little better :D
I guess in that way ses and I are very different - not in a bad way, but just in terms of what we want to come away from a con with.
I had a fantastic time - I'm still slightly suprised at how well the six of us sharing the rooms got along :D I got to talk in depth with a few people, and was impressed again and again with how enthusiastic they all are, and how much they appreciate our support. More than one person went out of their way to ensure we had a good time - Bruce, Rainbow, Martin and Courtenay at dinner, the Creation people at the con, the directors (Martin, Andy and John) who spent an hour or so meeting fans and signing autographs voluntarily for no other reason than they wanted to.
All the people at the Bridge Studios who lit the sets, guided us through them and made sure we didn't sneak off and hide somewere, ALL of them volunteered to do that, in their own precious free time - I chatted to one or two of them, and they said they were doing it because they loved seeing us all so enthusiastic and enjoying so much of what slave away on - I think seeing our excitement made them look at it through fresh eyes. :D

What I think I sometimes forget is that these guys are fans of the show too, they have to be, to spend so much of their lives and invest so much of themselves in it - which is not to say that I don't sometimes vehemently disagree with their choices, but now more than ever I respect that THEY think they're doing the right thing.

And on the bright side, the crowd more than adequately demonstrated how much Pete is disliked! :p :D They got THAT message loud and clear...

Rogue
April 20th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Aw...come on, people! The first kiss is at least as good as the Grace kiss, even better because it's significantly longer and, well, not the delirious fantasy of a woman suffering from a horrific concussion.

Will one of you second me here??? (hopefully you've read both stories and have of course posted your reviews...) :D

...and if you're NOT careful, I'll actually post the full text of one of them!!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Come on, just dare me to do it!!! I dare ya to dare me!

Hmm. Okay. No more coffee for me... :D:D:D:D:D

I will second you. The kisses in your story is the best!

But since we are voting on what was filmed I am sticking with WOO.
The Grace is fantastic but not real, at least the W00 kiss was real. Too bad Sam don't remember it, she would probably have handed in her resignation. I often wondered how many times he kiss her.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mkmoulder/Stargate/image2247.jpg

Uber
April 20th, 2005, 10:39 PM
I will second you. The kisses in your story is the best!

But since we are voting on what was filmed I am sticking with WOO.
The Grace is fantastic but not real, at least the W00 kiss was real. Too bad Sam don't remember it, she would probably have handed in her resignation. I often wondered how many times he kiss her.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mkmoulder/Stargate/image2247.jpg
Yeah, see...that's been buggin' me.

I mean, Teal'c and Jack were able to learn and MEMORIZE 400 pages of alien text.

Jack took up and mastered pottery and Teal'c perfected his backswing.

They were clearly stuck in that loop for several months...possibly a year or more.

Are you telling me that the only wacky thing Jack did was resign once and kiss her? Maybe he resigned hundreds of times and did a wide variety of things with Sam each time...

Fortunately TPTB let us see at least one of the fun things they did together...but my mind does tend to wander...

:D:D:D

Rogue
April 20th, 2005, 10:46 PM
Yeah, see...that's been buggin' me.

I mean, Teal'c and Jack were able to learn and MEMORIZE 400 pages of alien text.

Jack took up and mastered pottery and Teal'c perfected his backswing.

They were clearly stuck in that loop for several months...possibly a year or more.

Are you telling me that the only wacky thing Jack did was resign once and kiss her? Maybe he resigned hundreds of times and did a wide variety of things with Sam each time...

Fortunately TPTB let us see at least one of the fun things they did together...but my mind does tend to wander...

:D:D:D

Well you know TPTB, we were lucky we got that one kiss.
I always assumed he kissed her more than once. That grin on his face at the end tells me he had some very fond memories.

majorsal
April 20th, 2005, 10:56 PM
*musing* I haven't read ALL the pages that got posted while I was at the con but I did read the last few. I definitely raised my hand as being a shipper when they asked.

yay! :D

did anyone cheer or anything?



And on the bright side, the crowd more than adequately demonstrated how much Pete is disliked! :p :D They got THAT message loud and clear...


now there's a bright spot! :p

and seeing as the majority of fans there weren't shippers and they 'still' cheered... :D :D


sally :D

marimba26
April 20th, 2005, 11:01 PM
Mary TPTB on alot of these Shows complicate the Ship when there's no reason.In terms of Sam and Jack back in the Season 4 TPTB could have put Sam and Jack together and every couple of episodes or so we could have seen Sam and Jack having Dinner watching TV and maybe a Hug and a Kiss then most of the episodes could be focused on the Team.It would have been great to see 2 characters trying to balance there private Lives with there Dangerous Job.It would have shown Jack is more than just Military and Sam is more than a Scientist.I love Ship because it opens the characters uo some much more and makes everything interesting.TPTB could have taken there time in building the Sam and Jack relationship so most of the Fans could have gotten used to it and learned to except it.

Well, this would have involved them making a decision and sticking with it. That's what Farscape did. They decided early on that John and Aeryn would be together and they basically stuck with it (though I'm not going to say it WASN'T a wild ride bc it was). Funny thing is, you don't meet a lot of John and Aeryn anti-shippers. I'm sure there are some out there but you just don't come across them very often. There are people who don't care about ship on Farscape but that's not the same as being anti John and Aeryn. Anyway, now I'll wander back to my point which is that if TPTB had made a decision (one way or the other) back in season 4 I imagine there wouldn't be nearly as much devisiveness in the fandom. Not to say who is right or wrong or where they would have gone but I could have easily seen a convo something like this at the end of BtS:

They agree that they do/do not have feelings for each other. They decide to act/not act on them bc (fill in reason here), or to wait/not to wait for each other.

Pretty simple convo really. Would have been nicely placed in lieu of the angsty scene at the end of BtS--and voila! Resolution! And then move on to the next explorations with Sam and Jack together/not together. Then they would have had the convo like adults and resolved it. And if they had decided in favor of together then they could have had lots of situational angst. Either way, I think a lot of people would have been happier with a resolution. Just MHO of course.

marimba26
April 20th, 2005, 11:06 PM
*musing* I haven't read ALL the pages that got posted while I was at the con but I did read the last few. I definitely raised my hand as being a shipper when they asked. I thought hard about why there weren't more shippy questions, and to be honest, it didn't even OCCUR to me to ask the question - mostly because I know there's no way they can answer that to my satisfaction, and for me at least cons tend not to be so much about castigating TPTB for things that I didn't like that already happened, but to express excitement about the future and to get to know the people behind the magic a little better :D
I guess in that way ses and I are very different - not in a bad way, but just in terms of what we want to come away from a con with.
I had a fantastic time - I'm still slightly suprised at how well the six of us sharing the rooms got along :D I got to talk in depth with a few people, and was impressed again and again with how enthusiastic they all are, and how much they appreciate our support. More than one person went out of their way to ensure we had a good time - Bruce, Rainbow, Martin and Courtenay at dinner, the Creation people at the con, the directors (Martin, Andy and John) who spent an hour or so meeting fans and signing autographs voluntarily for no other reason than they wanted to.
All the people at the Bridge Studios who lit the sets, guided us through them and made sure we didn't sneak off and hide somewere, ALL of them volunteered to do that, in their own precious free time - I chatted to one or two of them, and they said they were doing it because they loved seeing us all so enthusiastic and enjoying so much of what slave away on - I think seeing our excitement made them look at it through fresh eyes. :D

What I think I sometimes forget is that these guys are fans of the show too, they have to be, to spend so much of their lives and invest so much of themselves in it - which is not to say that I don't sometimes vehemently disagree with their choices, but now more than ever I respect that THEY think they're doing the right thing.

And on the bright side, the crowd more than adequately demonstrated how much Pete is disliked! :p :D They got THAT message loud and clear...

Exactly what I was getting at only much clearer! The cons are about having fun and getting excited again. It's nice to be excited about your fave show again and that's the one thing I've taken away from both of the cons I have been to now!

tpe78
April 20th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Thanks for all the birthday wishes shippers.

Sorry for not replying earlier but the morning sickness has been hitting very hard. At least it's starting to easy up so I can delurk and start posting again. :)

sueKay
April 21st, 2005, 02:44 AM
*raises hand*

Marimba - read my sig

I'M A PROUD JOHN/AERYN ANTI SHIPPER (imo it wrecked the show and was the reason I quit watching)

BUT

My ships outweight my anti ships!

And...I've just remembered...it's time I started the shipper petition!

There's going to be a change this year, and the petition's going to run for longer. I'm going to open it in the next few days online (ala F.O.R.D)

I know it's a bit pointless seeing RDA's barely in next season, BUT if the petition's big enough...maybe JM or Martin Gero will say something :D

So...what do you think? Do you think I should start the petition again? If so, raise you hands!