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Gategirl12000
June 22nd, 2005, 05:31 PM
Hey how do you green ding and red ding people?

dannyluver
June 22nd, 2005, 05:33 PM
"green ding"???? "red ding"???? WHAT? I have no idea what you mean...

majorsal
June 22nd, 2005, 07:09 PM
I thought it was a wonderful picture plus the caption certainly did give one reason to hope that we would get insight on to what Jack is feeling. ;)

i feel the same way. :D


sally :D

pittsburghgirl
June 22nd, 2005, 07:22 PM
"green ding"???? "red ding"???? WHAT? I have no idea what you mean...
*bats eyes

pittsburghgirl
June 22nd, 2005, 07:23 PM
Hey how do you green ding and red ding people?
click on the scales of justice

majorsal
June 22nd, 2005, 07:30 PM
Have been pondering on the Jack and Sam resolution issue and have come to the conclusion that THERE IS DEFINITELY HOPE SHIPPER FAMILY!! :) :) and hope, no matter how small a measure goes a long way!



YEP! ;) :D


sally :D

sg-1fanintn
June 22nd, 2005, 08:05 PM
Loved seeing Unnatural Selection this evening.....especially the part where Jack wants to name
the ship, "Enterprise,"
but the President won't approve it! The look Sam gives him as he walks off to join Jonas and Teal'c for a snack.....very shippy!

Ian Buchanan was one of the guest stars on Unnatural Selection (played One). He's a General Hospital alum (played Duke Lavery in the 80s and 90s), just like RDA. It got me thinking about who the most successful GH alums are. I'd have to rank them like this:

1. Demi Moore (played Jackie Templeton in the early 80s)
2. RDA (played the original Jeff Webber in the late 70s/early 80s)
3. John Stamos (played Blackie Parrish in the early 80s-went on to Full House and Jake in Progress)
4. Janine Turner (played Laura Templeton in the early 80s-went on to star in Northern Exposure and Strong Medicine)

Other people have gone on to other good roles (Genie Francis, Finola Hughes, Jack Wagner), and Tony Geary is a legend in his own time even if he never does anything else (because he's supposedly the only actor in soaps with permission to adlib at will), but I can't think of any others as or more successful than Demi Moore and RDA. Can you?

If no one cares, I won't be offended, and forgive me for the OT post. Just a few rambling thoughts at the end of a busy day.....

jay
June 22nd, 2005, 08:13 PM
i never knew RDA was in General Hospital. how many years was he with the show? was it as long as MacGyver or Stargate?

sg-1fanintn
June 22nd, 2005, 08:32 PM
His bio says 1976-1981. I didn't start watching GH until 81, so he was only there for a few months after I got interested in the show.

I just found a photo from that era. He looks like a high school kid! Considering he was born in 1950, he would have to be at least 26 or so in this photo. That may help account for his great looks now!


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/gh01x.jpg
RDA as Jeff Webber

Billie
June 22nd, 2005, 10:08 PM
Morning all! Just thought I'd pop in quickly before I head off to work. Have a good day everyone! :) Am planning on having a well earned sg1 dvd moment tonight but can't decide what episode to watch...anyone help??!! I'm thinking maybe season 3 (the shippier the better...obviously!), thanks in advance (am so tired I'm being very indesicive and need help!!) :rolleyes:

sacme
June 22nd, 2005, 10:38 PM
Loved seeing Unnatural Selection this evening.....especially the part where Jack wants to name
the ship, "Enterprise,"
but the President won't approve it! The look Sam gives him as he walks off to join Jonas and Teal'c for a snack.....very shippy!

Ian Buchanan was one of the guest stars on Unnatural Selection (played One). He's a General Hospital alum (played Duke Lavery in the 80s and 90s), just like RDA. It got me thinking about who the most successful GH alums are. I'd have to rank them like this:

1. Demi Moore (played Jackie Templeton in the early 80s)
2. RDA (played the original Jeff Webber in the late 70s/early 80s)
3. John Stamos (played Blackie Parrish in the early 80s-went on to Full House and Jake in Progress)
4. Janine Turner (played Laura Templeton in the early 80s-went on to star in Northern Exposure and Strong Medicine)

Other people have gone on to other good roles (Genie Francis, Finola Hughes, Jack Wagner), and Tony Geary is a legend in his own time even if he never does anything else (because he's supposedly the only actor in soaps with permission to adlib at will), but I can't think of any others as or more successful than Demi Moore and RDA. Can you?

If no one cares, I won't be offended, and forgive me for the OT post. Just a few rambling thoughts at the end of a busy day.....

5. Jorja Fox (CSI, West Wing, ER, etc.)

LOL4JACK
June 22nd, 2005, 10:44 PM
5. Jorja Fox (CSI, West Wing, ER, etc.)
6. I also think Ricky Martin...

Uber
June 22nd, 2005, 10:50 PM
I just wish TPTB would realize that and reward us...It'll be interesting to see which episodes RDA will be in next season...

Uber
June 22nd, 2005, 10:52 PM
"green ding"???? "red ding"???? WHAT? I have no idea what you mean...Green ding and Red ding refers to reputation you can give for people's posts.

If you approve, you can click on the button on the post and reward the poster with approval points.

Uber
June 22nd, 2005, 10:55 PM
Morning all! Just thought I'd pop in quickly before I head off to work. Have a good day everyone! :) Am planning on having a well earned sg1 dvd moment tonight but can't decide what episode to watch...anyone help??!! I'm thinking maybe season 3 (the shippier the better...obviously!), thanks in advance (am so tired I'm being very indesicive and need help!!) :rolleyes:
Go for Into the Fire...

Uber
June 22nd, 2005, 10:57 PM
Well, I don't want to make all of you jealous but in France, S8 boxset comes out on 16th August :D
And this is what it will look like :
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00092ME9O.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


I know, we're lucky... :p :DWWWWHAT??????

*steam comes out of Mary Beth's ears*

Uber
June 22nd, 2005, 10:58 PM
Well, I don't hate him, but he's one of the reasons I don't watch Atlantis anymore.Man...I don't hate McKay...he's one of the FEW people that really get under Sam's skin...

:D

That's just hilarious.

Plus it sets up for future Sam/McKay interactions...

AND NO, I don't mean shippy ones...I mean where Sam "flirts" with Rodney to throw him off his game...because he doesn't know that Ford didn't delete his confession of love for Sam in LETTERS FROM PEGASUS...and she saw it...

...and she doesn't let him know that she saw it until the end...like saying something like..."so am I still the hottest scientist you've EVER worked with, McKay???"

And then smile and walk away...with him now knowing that she saw it...

That'd be great.

Besides...Sam's more confident in herself personally because she's worked out her Jack issues and knows exactly where she stands...

(that's WITH JACK, in case you didn't figure out my position on the ship issue)

:D

Uber
June 22nd, 2005, 11:06 PM
i never saw mckay as a threat either but since i read a lot of fanfiction, i'll see some stories that have sam/mckay pairing which i think is just disgusting b/c i can't see sam with him at all.He's the comic relief!

I mean if PETE who was engaged to Sam wasn't a threat to Jack then McKay, who's the comic relief CERTAINLY isn't...

Uber
June 22nd, 2005, 11:08 PM
Indeed :D:D:D

No ofense Uber... :oWWWHA????

DDL has sweet puppy dog eyes...

Don't confuse the idiot character he played with the gorgeous actor folks!

There was never a Sam and David DeLuise story here...

So don't boil HIM alive!!!

FCOL...

:D

Oma-1
June 22nd, 2005, 11:26 PM
Here's an idea I've been kicking around for a while:

Sam and Jack are on his pier fishing. Teal'c and Daniel have conveniently gone into town for supplies. Each is quiet, lost in his own thoughts, but Jack notices that Sam seems sad and is struggling to maintain her composure. He assumes that it's because she's missing Jacob.

He looks up at her and sees her staring at him with a bereaved expression.

Jack (gently): What's wrong?

Sam: I love you

Jack: What?

Sam: I love you, but I've messed everything up and now it's too late.
(She has this horrified look on her face like she knows she's completely
messed up her life).

Jack: Sam. . . .

Sam (with tears in her eyes): I can't believe I'm doing this. (Gets up and starts to go to the cabin).

Jack (running after her): Sam. . . . I've ALWAYS loved you.

Sam: You do?

Jack: nods

Sam: What about Kerry?

Jack: Yeah, but Sam. . . . You're the one.

They embrace in a passionate hug in which Jack lifts her off her feet. Then they curl up on the sofa in the cabin and have that long overdue, serious conversation. I haven't really worked that part out yet.
Work it out Sugar, I'm dying to read it!!!! :D

Oma-1
June 23rd, 2005, 12:00 AM
I hope tptb take notice of the polls that happen here - this week we're rating Threads. Considering it was so shippy, there's not very many disapproving votes! It seem's even non-shippers appreciated it too :p There's still a few days of voting left, so the figs could get even more in our favour - go vote if you haven't already :D


What did you think of "Threads?"

VOTES PERCENT
Outstanding 779 82.17 %
Good show 126 13.29 %
Disappointing 30 3.16 %
A real stinker 13 1.37 %
TOTAL 948 100.00 %


Goes to show that ship does not ruin sci-fi (no matter how vocal that part of fandom is). Lets face it, Farscape has been winning major awards for the last few years, so the RST between John and Aeryn certainly did no harm there!

Now all we have to do is pursuade tptb :rolleyes:

Uber
June 23rd, 2005, 12:19 AM
I hope tptb take notice of the polls that happen here - this week we're rating Threads. Considering it was so shippy, there's not very many disapproving votes! It seem's even non-shippers appreciated it too :p There's still a few days of voting left, so the figs could get even more in our favour - go vote if you haven't already :D


What did you think of "Threads?"

VOTES PERCENT
Outstanding 779 82.17 %
Good show 126 13.29 %
Disappointing 30 3.16 %
A real stinker 13 1.37 %
TOTAL 948 100.00 %


Goes to show that ship does not ruin sci-fi (no matter how vocal that part of fandom is). Lets face it, Farscape has been winning major awards for the last few years, so the RST between John and Aeryn certainly did no harm there!

Now all we have to do is pursuade tptb :rolleyes:HOWEVER, I hated the 60 minute version. First they removed the cellphone scene the "Go pick flowers" scene...

They didn't show how she was in the car, how the mood between Pete and Sam had become much more forced (whereas they seemed comfortable to me in Chimera and Affinity, I sensed nothing but her apprehension in Threads)...they didn't show the last straw (the house)...

They basically mutilated it and took out the pieces that showed where Sam's mind was heading...

So Hated 60 minute version...LOVED 90 minute one...

:D

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 12:22 AM
HOWEVER, I hated the 60 minute version. First they removed the cellphone scene the "Go pick flowers" scene...

They didn't show how she was in the car, how the mood between Pete and Sam had become much more forced (whereas they seemed comfortable to me in Chimera and Affinity, I sensed nothing but her apprehension in Threads)...they didn't show the last straw (the house)...

They basically mutilated it and took out the pieces that showed where Sam's mind was heading...

So Hated 60 minute version...LOVED 90 minute one...

:D
((((Uber)))) I sooo agree with you .... the 60 minute suck .... I only have that since when I was trying to tape the original 90 minutes, my recording machine decided to go on stirke .... weeeeps

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 12:24 AM
He's the comic relief!

I mean if PETE who was engaged to Sam wasn't a threat to Jack then McKay, who's the comic relief CERTAINLY isn't...
a potatoe and a clown a threat to our Jack ....never ... FCOL

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 12:25 AM
Well, I don't want to make all of you jealous but in France, S8 boxset comes out on 16th August :D
And this is what it will look like :
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00092ME9O.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


I know, we're lucky... :p :D
I am soooo sooo soooo soooo JEALOUS

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 12:28 AM
Surprise delivery arrives in Atlantis for Rodney......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Oma-1/weddinginvite.png
followed a few weeks later by......
McKay
Sorry you couldn't get leave to come to the wedding, but as we had Lemon Chicken at the reception, we figured you were probably better off where you were. Didn't want you to miss out completely though. Don't we make a fantastic couple?
Sam's husband.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Oma-1/summer2005.png
RLOL ...... RLOL ..... RLOL .... thank you for sharing

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 12:35 AM
Got a missing scene from Redemption idea floating around .... I'm not a writer, so forgive the lack of brilliant description and dialogue, but you'll get the idea :p

SAM: I will, thanks. (She kisses him on the cheek, he looks
surprised)

MCKAY: (In reference to the kiss) That means you don't hate me.

SAM: Maybe ... too bad for you.

MCKAY: Why?

SAM: (Walking away from him, a HUGE smile on her face) I was more
attracted to you when I did.

MCKAY: Really?? Right ...

JACK: (Walking down the corridor towards them) But she's always liked me more. Right Carter?

Jack kisses Sam and dips her as he did in WoO.

Rodney looks on amazed - as do all the SF's in the vicinity.

After the kiss ends, Jack smirks at Rodney and walks off, leaving Sam in a dreamy haze, and Rodney's jaw hitting the floor.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Oma-1/rodneyshock.jpg
great pic ...love it

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 12:37 AM
Have been pondering on the Jack and Sam resolution issue and have come to the conclusion that THERE IS DEFINITELY HOPE SHIPPER FAMILY!! :) :) and hope, no matter how small a measure goes a long way!

It could arguably go either way what with the painful lack of RDA (am already suffering from advance RDA deprivation :( :( ) but the relationship between Jack and Sam is such an integral part of the show and like so many of you have said has created and helped maintain a large proportion of the shows fanbase and should therefore be played out as a matter of respect. Also I'm holding out hope that the PTB remember that any semblence of a resolution has been mainly between AU/AT jack and sam and that sometime whether it be in season 9 or maybe in the movie (haven't heard much on that, maybe they are gonna hold off until the show runs its course on tv???) they will have an obvious onscreen resolution....am SO hoping for a scene which starts with plenty of UST and ends with some serious unresolving of the unresolved...if you get my drift!! :D :D

Wow that's blown a few brain cells....ah well Jack and Sam are worth the sacrifice!!

PMA fellow shippers!!! :)
WELCOME BILLIE .... I like the way you think .... I hope TPTB think the same

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 12:39 AM
[QUOTE=Billie]Have been pondering on the Jack and Sam resolution issue and have come to the conclusion that THERE IS DEFINITELY HOPE SHIPPER FAMILY!! :) :) and hope, no matter how small a measure goes a long way!

It could arguably go either way what with the painful lack of RDA (am already suffering from advance RDA deprivation :( :( ) but the relationship between Jack and Sam is such an integral part of the show and like so many of you have said has created and helped maintain a large proportion of the shows fanbase and should therefore be played out as a matter of respect. Also I'm holding out hope that the PTB remember that any semblence of a resolution has been mainly between AU/AT jack and sam and that sometime whether it be in season 9 or maybe in the movie (haven't heard much on that, maybe they are gonna hold off until the show runs its course on tv???) they will have an obvious onscreen resolution....am SO hoping for a scene which starts with plenty of UST and ends with some serious unresolving of the unresolved...if you get my drift!! :D :D

Wow that's blown a few brain cells....ah well Jack and Sam are worth the sacrifice!!

PMA fellow shippers!!! :)[/QUOTE

Billie, welcome. I'm new here as well, and like you I am having serious RDA withdrawals. He may be 15 years my senior but HUBBA HUBBA, he can dial me anytime he wants to. YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :)
WELCOME DIVCON .... age is but an illusion

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 12:42 AM
Here's an idea I've been kicking around for a while:

Sam and Jack are on his pier fishing. Teal'c and Daniel have conveniently gone into town for supplies. Each is quiet, lost in his own thoughts, but Jack notices that Sam seems sad and is struggling to maintain her composure. He assumes that it's because she's missing Jacob.

He looks up at her and sees her staring at him with a bereaved expression.

Jack (gently): What's wrong?

Sam: I love you

Jack: What?

Sam: I love you, but I've messed everything up and now it's too late.
(She has this horrified look on her face like she knows she's completely
messed up her life).

Jack: Sam. . . .

Sam (with tears in her eyes): I can't believe I'm doing this. (Gets up and starts to go to the cabin).

Jack (running after her): Sam. . . . I've ALWAYS loved you.

Sam: You do?

Jack: nods

Sam: What about Kerry?

Jack: Yeah, but Sam. . . . You're the one.

They embrace in a passionate hug in which Jack lifts her off her feet. Then they curl up on the sofa in the cabin and have that long overdue, serious conversation. I haven't really worked that part out yet.
aawwww ..... that is soo nice .... so shippy ..... so I am almost in tears now cause TPTB will never do anything remotely near that

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 02:28 AM
http://bestsmileys.com/birthday2/8.gif
GATEGIRL12000
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/th15f8c9b9.jpg

Rogue
June 23rd, 2005, 03:13 AM
Well, I don't want to make all of you jealous but in France, S8 boxset comes out on 16th August :D
And this is what it will look like :
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00092ME9O.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
I know, we're lucky... :p :D

I don't know if getting season 8 first is lucky. Except for a few eps, I thought season 8 really stunk. Had to put it in a fancy package for people to buy it.

Rogue
June 23rd, 2005, 03:18 AM
((((Uber)))) I sooo agree with you .... the 60 minute suck .... I only have that since when I was trying to tape the original 90 minutes, my recording machine decided to go on stirke .... weeeeps

I thought the 90 min had too many holes for me. I didn't even bother watching the 60 min version. But I had heard a while back that the bedroom scene was cut. Was it still in the 60 min version?

sueKay
June 23rd, 2005, 05:28 AM
Hello everyone!!!!!!

WELCOME BACK GATEGIRL12000

glad you decided to pop back in!!!!

divcon
June 23rd, 2005, 05:35 AM
Here's an idea I've been kicking around for a while:

Sam and Jack are on his pier fishing. Teal'c and Daniel have conveniently gone into town for supplies. Each is quiet, lost in his own thoughts, but Jack notices that Sam seems sad and is struggling to maintain her composure. He assumes that it's because she's missing Jacob.

He looks up at her and sees her staring at him with a bereaved expression.

Jack (gently): What's wrong?

Sam: I love you

Jack: What?

Sam: I love you, but I've messed everything up and now it's too late.
(She has this horrified look on her face like she knows she's completely
messed up her life).

Jack: Sam. . . .

Sam (with tears in her eyes): I can't believe I'm doing this. (Gets up and starts to go to the cabin).

Jack (running after her): Sam. . . . I've ALWAYS loved you.

Sam: You do?

Jack: nods

Sam: What about Kerry?

Jack: Yeah, but Sam. . . . You're the one.

They embrace in a passionate hug in which Jack lifts her off her feet. Then they curl up on the sofa in the cabin and have that long overdue, serious conversation. I haven't really worked that part out yet.
YES,YES,YESSSSSSSS, what a great story. write some more I'd love to read your take on their conversation because I don't think tptb will give us that story. It'll be up to us shippers to find in our own imagination the end to the story of Jack and Sam and that is soooooo wrong. The shippers for this show have to be the most dedicated fans, we've waited 8 years with only glimpses through AU relationships to see our two fav characters together and even then they were all to brief. :( :(

sueKay
June 23rd, 2005, 05:35 AM
I'll be buying season eight, because I did enjoy quite a lot of episodes...

New Order - but only the scenes before Jack's defrosting (when he's attached to the Daniel Jackson :P)
Lockdown
Zero Hour
It's good to be king
Reckoning
Threads
And I did enjoy Moebius for it's fluff value...nothing more

And the Horrid horrid episodes

Assinity
Covenanant
Prometheus Unbound


But I was one of the few people who LOVED season seven, so I guess in the grand scheme of things (ship notwithstanding) I'm easy to please!

So glad to see the madness of potato mashing back again!!!!!!!!!

Who says we run a caption competition just now????

I'll give you a piccy...you make the captions! :D

it's a biggy! courtesy of rdanderson.com
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/sueKay/5784c602.jpg

blueiris
June 23rd, 2005, 05:38 AM
I thought the 90 min had too many holes for me. I didn't even bother watching the 60 min version. But I had heard a while back that the bedroom scene was cut. Was it still in the 60 min version?
I wondered about the bedroom scene too. I was talking with someone and I did not see it. Afterward I wondered if it had been cut or I was just distracted. If it was cut, I would call that a good thing.

*What's that I see? One of those threads was not tied very well, its loose and in danger of falling right out.

sueKay
June 23rd, 2005, 05:42 AM
Right well...I gots to go to work...

See you all same time tomorrow!!!

KEEP ON SHIPPING!!!!

florence
June 23rd, 2005, 05:43 AM
I don't know if getting season 8 first is lucky. Except for a few eps, I thought season 8 really stunk. Had to put it in a fancy package for people to buy it.

I didn't mean that we were lucky to have it early, but to have it in a so nice package :)
Like sueKay, I liked some eps in this season : New Order, Zero Hour, It's Good to Be King, Reckoning, Threads and Moebius.
As for the eps I didn't like at all, it's the same ones as sueKay, but I'd add Icon :rolleyes:

divcon
June 23rd, 2005, 05:44 AM
I'll be buying season eight, because I did enjoy quite a lot of episodes...

But I was one of the few people who LOVED season seven, so I guess in the grand scheme of things (ship notwithstanding) I'm easy to please!

So glad to see the madness of potato mashing back again!!!!!!!!!

Who says we run a caption competition just now????

I'll give you a piccy...you make the captions! :D

it's a biggy! courtesy of rdanderson.com
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/sueKay/5784c602.jpg

"Oh God Jack,you take my breath away." Hold me tighter.

LOL4JACK
June 23rd, 2005, 06:28 AM
I'll give you a piccy...you make the captions! :D

it's a biggy! courtesy of rdanderson.com
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/sueKay/5784c602.jpg
Jack: Sam, we have to run away from TPTB, there is no other way for us to be together :D

LOL4JACK
June 23rd, 2005, 06:35 AM
WWWHA????

DDL has sweet puppy dog eyes...

Don't confuse the idiot character he played with the gorgeous actor folks!

There was never a Sam and David DeLuise story here...

So don't boil HIM alive!!!

FCOL...

:D
You are right Uber, we should separate the actor from the character :o ... any pretty pics of DDL so we can start practicing :D

blueiris
June 23rd, 2005, 06:55 AM
Who says we run a caption competition just now????

I'll give you a piccy...you make the captions! :D

it's a biggy! courtesy of rdanderson.com
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/sueKay/5784c602.jpg
It wasn't a good idea for Sam and Jack to steal a secret moment together after Jack was using the krazy-glue. Or was it. ;)

Myrth
June 23rd, 2005, 06:56 AM
Random comment o the week.... I think we'll get a feel for where the ship is from Jack in the first ep. I've seen a lot of people basing their scenarios on what Sam will say when she comes back. Personally I can't wait to see what Jack's got to say in that first ep...


:D
[/randomness]

jay
June 23rd, 2005, 07:06 AM
about the bedroom scene in threads

i don't remember seeing it in the 60min version but im not positive because i thought i remember seeing jack answering the phone call from sam but i just can't remember the part with kerry afterwards. maybe they cut that part or maybe my mind is in denial about that part. *shrugs* who cares atleast they're done with

girlgater
June 23rd, 2005, 07:07 AM
HOWEVER, I hated the 60 minute version. First they removed the cellphone scene the "Go pick flowers" scene...

They didn't show how she was in the car, how the mood between Pete and Sam had become much more forced (whereas they seemed comfortable to me in Chimera and Affinity, I sensed nothing but her apprehension in Threads)...they didn't show the last straw (the house)...

They basically mutilated it and took out the pieces that showed where Sam's mind was heading...

So Hated 60 minute version...LOVED 90 minute one...

:D

You are absolutely right--the 60 minute version of Threads was a real stinker. They cut out quite a few scenes that I thought were important like you said. In cutting out Sam's scenes where she was obviously uncomfortable, when she dumped the tater, it seemed kinda off and unexpected. And yes, to who asked about the bedroom scene, I do believe they did leave it in. I watched it (while on my laptop)...but all in all, I was disappointed with it and felt the immediate urge to get out my tape and watch the full version.

girlgater
June 23rd, 2005, 07:09 AM
Random comment o the week.... I think we'll get a feel for where the ship is from Jack in the first ep. I've seen a lot of people basing their scenarios on what Sam will say when she comes back. Personally I can't wait to see what Jack's got to say in that first ep...


:D
[/randomness]

Perhaps with his pondering his future (per the picture/caption), he may even mention Sam and what choice he needs to make in his future in order to be with her. A solution like that would make my shippy little heart race.

pittsburghgirl
June 23rd, 2005, 07:20 AM
well-the chop job on threads could have been worse-and no-i have no idea how much worse-but there you are. however, my big complaint was that there was no previous indication that anybody was unhappy about anything....jack moved on with Kerry and appeared to be happy, sam was engaged and appeared to be happy, nothing from jacob that sam should have been worried about his reaction-the whole thing appeared to have come out of the blue. there was no indication that sam had second or third thoughts or that she was uncomfortable with marrying pete or that she was afraid of what Jacob would say. why did she go to Jack? what made Kerry wonder about what was going on between Jack and Sam. Threads was a nice thought-but they didn't complete the process.

jack_n_sam147
June 23rd, 2005, 07:40 AM
Once again, a TON to catch up on! :D You gy=uys sure do post alot...


I don't think any show has better fans than the shippers in this room!

I gave you green for that one! ;)

Billie- WATCH WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY!!!!! I love that episode; I must've seen it, like, over 100 times! lol :D

UberSG-1Fan- I love your sig! ;)

gatebee- Yours, too! Where'd you get that fanart?

Daniel's_twin
June 23rd, 2005, 07:48 AM
You are absolutely right--the 60 minute version of Threads was a real stinker. They cut out quite a few scenes that I thought were important like you said. In cutting out Sam's scenes where she was obviously uncomfortable, when she dumped the tater, it seemed kinda off and unexpected. And yes, to who asked about the bedroom scene, I do believe they did leave it in. I watched it (while on my laptop)...but all in all, I was disappointed with it and felt the immediate urge to get out my tape and watch the full version.

Boy, am I glad I didn't see it by this report. I'll not be taping over it anytime soon, apparently. Full ship! :cool:

jack_n_sam147
June 23rd, 2005, 07:57 AM
I didn't know there were two different versions of "Threads!" But then again, I'm very slow, so really that's not saying anything. ;) lol

nickatell
June 23rd, 2005, 08:17 AM
I totally agree with you pittsburghgirl I still have no idea what really made the scene where Kerry comes out and interrupts Carter so awkward; I mean it wasn't like they were hugging or something, they were only having a conversation. Kerry and Sam were just introduced so it wasn't like they have been in each others company where she could have picked up on the looks and the emotions between Jack and Sam either. IMO that scene fell short of the mark, it wasn't enough IMO to cause Kerry to than break-off the relationship between her and Jack. Now if Kerry did walk in on them hugging or heaven forbid kissing (snark, snark) and seeing their intimacy first hand then that would have been believable and a quick red flag because we all know the power between Sam and Jack is strong and she would have to be blind not to see it. As others have said before me I felt Threads had way to much to say and too short of time to make it really believable.

That all being said, what I do find unbelievable is that after that episode nothing did happen. We are suppose to realize I think that Sam now understands and is comfortable with her feelings for Jack and that they both know that moving on with a significant other is out of the question because the feelings between them are too strong to let that work, so what now... life as usual ... again too unbelievable. So in the course of what two days Sam drops her engagement, regains her underwraps relationship with Jack, looses her father and helps save the planet yet again ... and after all of that heads for home for tomorrow is another day... again missing the mark. I realize that nothing physically can happen between Jack and Sam (although it pains me to say that) but after all of that I would have at least thought that a conversation between them maybe stating just that and really finding out what the others intentions are would have been what the story needed.

jack_n_sam147
June 23rd, 2005, 08:22 AM
You do haev a point, nickatell. However, I think that Kerry broke up with Jack because she knew what was going on. She could probably sense how tense the moment was, and one look from Jack to Sam gave it away. They just have that natural attraction between them, so that even if you first met them you could tell, they just have that vibe.

As for the other stuff, I have no comment. I seriously need to watch Threads again and really pay attention! lol :D

nickatell
June 23rd, 2005, 08:22 AM
I also forgot to add to my prior post that Kerry picks up on something going on between Jack and Sam with one meeting and yet we aren't really sure if Daniel knows anything and he has been with them for eight years. What does that tell you about being believable?

pittsburghgirl
June 23rd, 2005, 08:24 AM
JM will have to present it to me personally-tied up in a red ribbon with lots of balloons

jack_n_sam147
June 23rd, 2005, 08:28 AM
lots and lots of Shippy balloons! :D

Once again, no comment, only b/c I need to watch the ep again.

BTW, when is Ship Day or whatever it's called? Could you please PM it to me? Thanks!

ShimmeringStar
June 23rd, 2005, 08:49 AM
Good thoughts Nickatell and pittsburghgirl. It gets back into the way TPTB have written most of the series -- many of the eps they planned to be stand-alones, not so much involved in any ongoing story arcs. Just our favorite team in action, no more no less. My gripe in having watched nearly all of the shows in order now on DVD (still have the last 3 of S6 to go & then S7 to watch (& cap :) ) is that when TPTB do decide it’s time to focus on what makes our favorite characters tick and what makes them do what they do and how what they’ve experienced affects and changes them, TPTB rarely have seemed to do a subtle, slow build-up interwoven into the overall show. These kinds of things more often seems to nearly always be foisted on us in one episode, and it’s always an ep that just mashes too much important backstory and life-changing stuff in one ep. Things that really deserved to be spread out over 2 or 3 eps. And I do mean deserved. The characters, and the actors portraying them, really did (do) deserve the respect that dealing with that character’s aspect (Dan/Sarah, Sam/Dad, Sam/Pete, Sam/Jack) over a whole episode would have allowed, instead of 5 quick minutes of raised eyebrow looks and vague dialogue… (leaving us to again assume and fill-in-our-own-blanks regarding their motives) HHHmmm... I just thought about Paradise Lost where Sam thinks Jack is lost permanently and crying in the darkened locker room, Teal'c comforts her. No follow up there either to explain just why she's *that* upset.

IMOHO, only Daniel has really had his backstory (Sha’re, Sarah, etc.) spread ‘gently’ throughout all of the seasons. And even Teal’c (his son, his wife, Bra’tac) has had things spread out. But Sam, and Jack, when they are given their ‘character developing’ moments… it’s a wham-bam-don’t-thank-me-ma’m kind of moment. And then there’s *never* any follow up. S6’s Abyss really affected Jack…. No followup, no mention in dialogue, nada. S7’s Sam… with Pete -- (Reference to Grace and Threads)Was a snippet of an hallucinated convo and imagined kiss with Jack in Grace supposed to prepare viewers for a jump right into the middle of a different ship Sam was having? Or a few eps later for an engagement? And then no mention of anything for most of S8 and then the 'general' viewer is expected to believe S/P went sour based on Threads? An ep that once again smashed 2 “A” plots involving Sam and Daniel into 90 (eh, 60) minutes?

Reminds me of S4 after Beneath the Surface. The S/J ship, so subtley built up until that time, and more overtly played up in early S4, virtually disappeared off the radar thereafter… :S :(

pittsburghgirl
June 23rd, 2005, 09:12 AM
Shimmerstar and Nickatell-both of you have hit the nail on the head-i am wondering if anybody got the individual disks that they are selling now-and the commentary has any backstory or information on what they were thinking when they did this episode. I guess i am expecting too much when I am hoping that they would explain why they cut it the way they did, or something...but with our luck it will be camera angles and makeup.


The big complaint i have had about this show is that there is no folllow up and no consequences. Except maybe for Sam and Jack-there seems to be some evidence of it with Daniel and Teal'c-there is always something lingering after what happens to them-but not Sam and Jack.

guess that is why they tell people not to start something they can't or don't intend to finish.

nickatell
June 23rd, 2005, 10:42 AM
References to Threads With an episode like this they really should have done a two parter, although (and I mean no disrespect) I felt the Daniel/Anubis side of the story was a bit long, most of the information we already new. If TPTB did feel that Threads along with Moebius was somewhat suppose to "resolve" the Sam and Jack relationship it didn't work. Yes as a shipper it gave us something and I am happy for that but it could have been done better; especially since I am sure they knew that RDA would not be around for season 9.

pittsburghgirl
June 23rd, 2005, 10:50 AM
References to Threads With an episode like this they really should have done a two parter, although (and I mean no disrespect) I felt the Daniel/Anubis side of the story was a bit long, most of the information we already new. If TPTB did feel that Threads along with Moebius was somewhat suppose to "resolve" the Sam and Jack relationship it didn't work. Yes as a shipper it gave us something and I am happy for that but it could have been done better; especially since I am sure they knew that RDA would not be around for season 9.
ya know-you are not the only who felt that way about Threads-it was kind of like-oh wait-we have 3 episodes left to do-we need to wrap things up. Rick won't be around here much next season. Bah! Humbug!

sg-1fanintn
June 23rd, 2005, 11:16 AM
I totally agree with you pittsburghgirl I still have no idea what really made the scene where Kerry comes out and interrupts Carter so awkward; I mean it wasn't like they were hugging or something, they were only having a conversation. Kerry and Sam were just introduced so it wasn't like they have been in each others company where she could have picked up on the looks and the emotions between Jack and Sam either. IMO that scene fell short of the mark, it wasn't enough IMO to cause Kerry to than break-off the relationship between her and Jack. Now if Kerry did walk in on them hugging or heaven forbid kissing (snark, snark) and seeing their intimacy first hand then that would have been believable and a quick red flag because we all know the power between Sam and Jack is strong and she would have to be blind not to see it. As others have said before me I felt Threads had way to much to say and too short of time to make it really believable.

That all being said, what I do find unbelievable is that after that episode nothing did happen. We are suppose to realize I think that Sam now understands and is comfortable with her feelings for Jack and that they both know that moving on with a significant other is out of the question because the feelings between them are too strong to let that work, so what now... life as usual ... again too unbelievable. So in the course of what two days Sam drops her engagement, regains her underwraps relationship with Jack, looses her father and helps save the planet yet again ... and after all of that heads for home for tomorrow is another day... again missing the mark. I realize that nothing physically can happen between Jack and Sam (although it pains me to say that) but after all of that I would have at least thought that a conversation between them maybe stating just that and really finding out what the others intentions are would have been what the story needed.

I agree with what you've said, nickatell and pittsburghgirl. I do think I can identify the factors that made the scene at Jack's house so uncomfortable:

1. Sam was uncomfortable because she had worked up her courage to finally tell Jack she loved him. So, she was already nervous. Then, just as she was about to spill her guts, she was interrupted by a date she didn't know Jack had. She had seen Kerry with him earlier and had picked up on something (probably influenced her to speak to him). But she didn't know Kerry was there.

2. Kerry was uncomfortable because Jack had told her he didn't want anyone at the SGC to know about their relationship because it wouldn't look professional (Really, I think he just didn't want Sam to know). That's what made Kerry uncomfortable.

3. Jack was uncomfortable because he suddenly had two women on his deck and didn't know what to do next. However, I think he looked the least uncomfortable of the three of them.

Silver
June 23rd, 2005, 11:40 AM
And then there’s *never* any follow up. S6’s Abyss really affected Jack…. No followup, no mention in dialogue, nada.

Reminds me of S4 after Beneath the Surface. The S/J ship, so subtley built up until that time, and more overtly played up in early S4, virtually disappeared off the radar thereafter… :S :(

You are totally right, ShimmeringStar, and I think the reasoning behind the stand-alone, wham-bam episodes and storylines is that TPTB think the fans want action, action and more action in order for the show to be exciting. After all, it's Sci-fi--my first thoughts when I think 'Sci-fi' bring out the words action, unusual, aliens, guns, spaceships, planets, heroes, etc. So I think they are trying, despite that Stargate's unique to other Sci-fi shows because it entertains a sense of realism, to fit the show into this tight category and to keep churning out ideas that haven't been done before.

Because they're constantly cramming in all this new action and abnormality (which I enjoy as well, don't get me wrong), the effect on the characters is never mentioned again due to the fact that they've moved on to different plots to keep fans 'entertained'. An example of this, like you said, is Abyss. It would have been so wonderful to have had a mention on Jack's welfare afterwards, even if it had just been Sam (I know I'm biased :p) or Daniel asking him how he's coping. But nope. He's a 'hero', after all--he's invincible--so they portray him in a way that shows he'll heal emotionally in no time.

Sometimes I think they forget SG-1 are human...real people with feelings...all the stuff they've gone through is bound to affect them in the long term! But they always seem to remarkably 'heal' without ever mentioning past events. Beneath the Surface--ahhh! Surely that would have enhanced Sam and Jack's feelings? Instead they seemed to disappear for a little while...huh?

And the same thing goes for Cassie, which several people have mentioned before. What happened to her after Janet died? Granted, she'll probably be talked about or seen in season 9, but they've kinda left it a season too late, don't ya think? And JANET - nobody ever mentions her. It would have been so easy to fit in a line such as "It's nothin' old Doc Fraiser couldn't have fixed" and then see the sadness play across the faces of Sam and Daniel. And it would have been great, because it would have shown that they actually do miss their friend, instead of forgetting about her shortly after the memorial service in Heroes.

I can't really say after watching season 7 (and tentatively 8) that there hasn't been a follow-up of S/J ship, even if there was a gap between it and the earlier seasons (primarily season 4)--because that would totally unappreciate the writers for giving us Metamorphosis, Grace, the hug/angst in Heroes, the arm round the shoulder/angst in Death Knell, Lost City, Threads, the acknowledgement of feelings in Affinity, etc. I know we all moan because the fact that Sam and Jack aren't yet together is frustrating, but nevertheless these episodes were enjoyable and gave me, certainly, warm fuzzies just watching the care, love and affection between them. At least the writers haven't ignored it completely, even if they haven't given us what we want--resolved ship.

That said, it's still a story that's been abruptly cut off in parts of the show... and to be honest, if it wasn't for S/J popularity, I don't think there would have been any follow up of Divide and Conquer and the rest of season 4 ship whatsoever. Uh... I did have a point. :o I think it was that I, for one, would definitely like to see more emotional effects in the characters. When they 'do' emotion, IMO, they do it brilliantly, i.e. Heroes, Grace, Paradise Lost, Cold Lazarus, Teal'c in Redemption, Daniel losing Shar'e, Daniel ascending... TPTB should flaunt that talent, as well as simultaneously giving the actors a chance to flaunt their talents. And it would be so much better if from time to time we could get a glimpse of how the characters are still feeling following previous events!

I would absolutely love a scene in which SG-1 (with Jack, not Mitchell ;)) sit down casually with drinks, reminisce past missions/ordeals and talk about the people they've lost. Of course, I'd love it even more if solely Sam and Jack did that together :), but either way, it'd be wonderful to watch.

If only we controlled the writer's minds, eh? :p Even so, Stargate wouldn't be Stargate without them, so I guess we still owe them a huge appreciative thanks... to some degree. :) It depends whether Sam and Jack are together in season 9 :D

Sorry if I rambled on about rubbish a bit!!

sg-1fanintn
June 23rd, 2005, 12:18 PM
The big complaint i have had about this show is that there is no folllow up and no consequences. Except maybe for Sam and Jack-there seems to be some evidence of it with Daniel and Teal'c-there is always something lingering after what happens to them-but not Sam and Jack.

guess that is why they tell people not to start something they can't or don't intend to finish.

Such a good point! Those consequences would have made for some good stories!


Once again, a TON to catch up on! :D You gy=uys sure do post alot...

It has been slow over the past month or so.....but those who have been around for awhile tell me it will continue to pick up now that we're so close to premiere.....


JM will have to present it to me personally-tied up in a red ribbon with lots of balloons

Like that's gonna happen! But you can hope.

Lots of good discussion going on here today.....and a lot of old grievances being mentioned again. As we'd say here in the South, "If those boys (TPTB) don't behave, I'm gonna shake'um til their teeth rattle!"

That doesn't really help anyone with anything......but I hope it's a least good for a slight chuckle. Stay positive, everyone. It's not over by a long shot! ;)

sugarshaker
June 23rd, 2005, 12:26 PM
I agree with what you've said, nickatell and pittsburghgirl. I do think I can identify the factors that made the scene at Jack's house so uncomfortable:

1. Sam was uncomfortable because she had worked up her courage to finally tell Jack she loved him. So, she was already nervous. Then, just as she was about to spill her guts, she was interrupted by a date she didn't know Jack had. She had seen Kerry with him earlier and had picked up on something (probably influenced her to speak to him). But she didn't know Kerry was there.

2. Kerry was uncomfortable because Jack had told her he didn't want anyone at the SGC to know about their relationship because it wouldn't look professional (Really, I think he just didn't want Sam to know). That's what made Kerry uncomfortable.

3. Jack was uncomfortable because he suddenly had two women on his deck and didn't know what to do next. However, I think he looked the least uncomfortable of the three of them.

I expected this scene to serve as a wake-up call to Sam. There's always been a chance that he could be killed in action, and as a soldier, Sam could deal with that, but I don't think it really occurred to her that he might move on with a significant other the way she has. It should have. I expected her to be shocked at the thought of losing him in a way she hadn't considered, but it didn't come across that way.

What would have been good would be to have a scene where she goes back to her car and sits there with her hand over her mouth or some other stunned expression where it's evident that she realizes she may have waited too long. This would tie into the earlier scene where she's sitting in her car trying to work up the nerve. What good does it do to have her see them together if it doesn't affects her deeply? And since Jack breaks up with Kerry so soon afterward, she knows that Kerry was never really any competition, so why should she worry about it?

pittsburghgirl
June 23rd, 2005, 12:36 PM
sg-1fanintn-we have an old southern saying here in Texas too-"If momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy." them boys from vancouver-do not realize how unhappy momma is these days.

Rogue
June 23rd, 2005, 01:12 PM
well-the chop job on threads could have been worse-and no-i have no idea how much worse-but there you are. however, my big complaint was that there was no previous indication that anybody was unhappy about anything....jack moved on with Kerry and appeared to be happy, sam was engaged and appeared to be happy, nothing from jacob that sam should have been worried about his reaction-the whole thing appeared to have come out of the blue. there was no indication that sam had second or third thoughts or that she was uncomfortable with marrying pete or that she was afraid of what Jacob would say. why did she go to Jack? what made Kerry wonder about what was going on between Jack and Sam. Threads was a nice thought-but they didn't complete the process.

Yep, my complaint too. If I hadn't read the spoilers, I would have never known that Jack was having a hard time moving on.

Another hole is how did Jacob know that Jack was interested in Sam and would step up to the plate? He was pushing her in that direction so how did he know? Jacob knew very little about Jack's personal life. For all Jacob knew, Jack could have had a steady gf. Anyway, Threads left me very unsatisfied. If they were going to do a involved ship story, they should have allocated enough time to do it right. It could have been a great story.

nickatell
June 23rd, 2005, 01:21 PM
Your right sg-lfanintn I forgot that Sam was really uncomfortable with just being found out not particularly because she felt there was something between Sam and Jack, so there again they didn't show enough reason IMO for Kerry to have given up on Jack.

Silver I agree TPTB do a very good job at the build-up of emotions like in the episodes you mentioned Abyss, Beneath the Surface, 100 days, etc. They just are terrible at the resolution. You're right where is the mention at least a couple of times of Janet? They probably won't even mention Jacob again now that he is gone. I also felt that Sam accepted her fathers dying a little to easily and again this is my opinion. I mean in Tokra Part 2 when Jacob gets his symbiote Sam does anything she can to keep him alive and thats after years of having a terrible relationship with him but in Threads [spoilers] she accepts it and then she moves on save the world yet again. It would have been nice to have seen some type of emotion from her even at the end, he was her father and they did have many years of a good relationship between them. It's funny with how close the team is Daniel or Teal'c never mention their sorrow to Sam in regards to Jacobs death. If Jacob was a character that was only on one episode than maybe I could believe this but Jacob was a beloved re-occuring regular and thats what makes this so unbelievable; the same as with Janet as you have all ready noted. This all was something big and TPTB should have known this when they wrote it that all of this would not fit into one complete package, they needed to have spread it over many episodes with maybe a C plot space. Some stories can be told in a one hour time slot but others simply were never meant to be.

Token
June 23rd, 2005, 02:21 PM
First, a big http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/12.gif to the Shipper Family to Singergirl, divcon, Magna Defender, JacknSam147, RamonaThePest and gategirl12000!!!


It is wonderful to have new members and just in time for Ship Day on July 28!! WooHoo!!

Second, gategirl12000 has a birthday today; and a SHIPPERIFIC birthday is wished for her!! This is for you! ;)

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That's all...Continue with your regular shipping! :p

shipper hannah
June 23rd, 2005, 02:36 PM
^what she said :p

Daniel's_twin
June 23rd, 2005, 03:26 PM
First, a big http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/12.gif to the Shipper Family to Singergirl, divcon, Magna Defender, JacknSam147, RamonaThePest and gategirl12000!!!


It is wonderful to have new members and just in time for Ship Day on July 28!! WooHoo!!

Second, gategirl12000 has a birthday today; and a SHIPPERIFIC birthday is wished for her!! This is for you! ;)

http://bestsmileys.com/birthday2/10.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/Token04/BTSGraceAllAbtChemistry.jpg


That's all...Continue with your regular shipping! :p

This goes double for me! You might think it's cheap, but I can't even download a pic right now! :cool:

Gategirl12000
June 23rd, 2005, 03:36 PM
Tahnk you all for the "Happy Birthday"! I think the Sam/Jack shipper thread has the nicest people in it! I'm glad to be here in time for shipper day! I'm very excited, but what exactly does it entail?

Gategirl12000
June 23rd, 2005, 03:50 PM
Yep, my complaint too. If I hadn't read the spoilers, I would have never known that Jack was having a hard time moving on.

Another hole is how did Jacob know that Jack was interested in Sam and would step up to the plate? He was pushing her in that direction so how did he know? Jacob knew very little about Jack's personal life. For all Jacob knew, Jack could have had a steady gf. Anyway, Threads left me very unsatisfied. If they were going to do a involved ship story, they should have allocated enough time to do it right. It could have been a great story.

I agree Threads could have been done a little better, however I'm just sortof happy that they threw us something...not quite a bone (it would have had to be more indepth) but at least they did give us something. All I know is that if its true that (slight spoiler, highlite)Sam isn't single anymore then she better be with Jack! I'll be irked if she's not!

ses110
June 23rd, 2005, 03:52 PM
SS Great points.TPTB idea of a follow up is having every Male guest Star fall for Sam.It will not be long before one of the Orii fall for Sam.TPTB have put Sam and Jack through so many Life and Death situations and then not one Adult conversation.TPTB have treated Sam and Jack like robots.It's no wonder why some say there's nothing between Sam and Jack.I've said it before and I'll say it again.This show has lasted because the Fans care about the characters and not because TPTB have done a great Job.IMO Threads was very dissapointing.I know some Fans will disagree but Threads should have been 90% about Sam and Jack.Some people may not like it but IMO Sam and Jack are the 2 main stars of the Show.IMO they deserved one episode to wrap things up the right way.IMO Threads was more about Pete Jacob and Daniel then Sam and Jack.

Gategirl12000
June 23rd, 2005, 04:16 PM
SS Great points.TPTB idea of a follow up is having every Male guest Star fall for Sam.It will not be long before one of the Orii fall for Sam.TPTB have put Sam and Jack through so many Life and Death situations and then not one Adult conversation.TPTB have treated Sam and Jack like robots.It's no wonder why some say there's nothing between Sam and Jack.I've said it before and I'll say it again.This show has lasted because the Fans care about the characters and not because TPTB have done a great Job.IMO Threads was very dissapointing.I know some Fans will disagree but Threads should have been 90% about Sam and Jack.Some people may not like it but IMO Sam and Jack are the 2 main stars of the Show.IMO they deserved one episode to wrap things up the right way.IMO Threads was more about Pete Jacob and Daniel then Sam and Jack.

You are 500% right! Jack and Sam are a MAJOR aspect of the show... I don't know what it will be like next season without that! I'm wary of watching it, but I will because I do love the show... :confused:

Gategirl12000
June 23rd, 2005, 04:24 PM
I expected this scene to serve as a wake-up call to Sam. There's always been a chance that he could be killed in action, and as a soldier, Sam could deal with that, but I don't think it really occurred to her that he might move on with a significant other the way she has. It should have. I expected her to be shocked at the thought of losing him in a way she hadn't considered, but it didn't come across that way.

What would have been good would be to have a scene where she goes back to her car and sits there with her hand over her mouth or some other stunned expression where it's evident that she realizes she may have waited too long. This would tie into the earlier scene where she's sitting in her car trying to work up the nerve. What good does it do to have her see them together if it doesn't affects her deeply? And since Jack breaks up with Kerry so soon afterward, she knows that Kerry was never really any competition, so why should she worry about it?

spoilers (highlite) I think she was deeply affected, but one of the reasons she left was that Jacob was dying, so if she sat in the car contemplating Jack while her father was sick, I think it would have been untrue to her caracter....plus she didn't know thatJack would brake up with Kerry... So give the writers a bit of slack, though I agree...

dannyluver
June 23rd, 2005, 04:34 PM
All that they do about Sam and Jack majorly affects the show! THEY NEED TO WORK ON IT MORE! darn it, you PTB. They are the two main characters of the show. If the relationship between them is a little weird, then, it totally messes up the relationship between the entire team. It think if RDA weren't leaving the show, They would have followed up on the Threads topic that Kerry addressed about Jack retiring and running the SGC as a civilian. They wrote all that down, and then RDA dropped the bomb. Though, I don't think the lack of "adult conversation" is what irks me. I mean, I can see how they couldn't have done that. Their previous "relationship" if you could even call it that was so serious because of the Airforce. "Threads" half satisfied me. I know they must have at least little hints of ship in the ninth season, or I will scream. *end long rant*

Rogue
June 23rd, 2005, 04:51 PM
Well we all know that Threads Kerry broke up with Jack(even though some of us are still wondering why) and that Jack didn't make the effort to stop her walking out the door. But if Kerry hadn't ditched him, do you think Jack would have broken up with her? If so right away or would he waited and let the relationship run its course.

dannyluver
June 23rd, 2005, 04:56 PM
I think that he might have waited just a little bit later, but if she would be stupid not to notice the relationship between sam and jack before that, so I can see why he would break up with her

ses110
June 23rd, 2005, 05:00 PM
dannyluver I'am not sure TPTB would have followed up Threads.TPTB had 8 Years to resolve the Sam and Jack Ship.I still hope one Day TPTB will finally resolve the Sam and Jack Ship.I also think with RDA cutting back his Time the last 2 Years it should not have been a shock to TPTB regarding RDA and Season 9.I think because of the Stargate Movie some Fans think Jack and Daniel are the 2 Stars on SG-1 when IMO it's really Sam and Jack that are the Stars on the TV Show.IMO SG-1 works best with Jack in the lead with Sam Daniel and Teal'C providing supporting roles.Even though SG-1 is about the entire Team a show still needs the one main character and that's Jack IMO.

divcon
June 23rd, 2005, 06:23 PM
Hi guys, this is how I would love a scene from Avalon go. Forgive me if it's a bit long but it's my first fic and I thought I'd post it here amongst other shippers. Please let me know what you think.

Lt. Colonel Samantha Carter had just arrived in her office to begin what looked like being a busy day when her phone rang. Tempted not to answer but knowing that whoever was ringing already knew she was there. So she picked up the phone with a scowl on her face.
"Yes?"
"Col Carter, General O'Neill would like to see you in his office in 5 mins."
"O-Kay, I'll be there. Thank you Sergeant."

As she made her way up the his office Sam wondered what could be so important. SG1 weren't due to go off-world for another week, Teal'c was on Chulak and Daniel was? Well she didn't really know where Daniel was, but Daniel being Daniel, he was probably off researching some artefact somewhere.

After knocking and entering the General's office Jack told her to take a seat. He looked very intensely at her as if he didn't really know what to say, but he eventually began.

"Sam..."
Sam's head snaps up, "Sir?"
"Yes Sam, please let me finish. The reason I asked you in is because I wanted to tell you personally that I'm leaving the SGC."
"WHAT!! B-but you love the SGC sir. Why?" Sam asked in a state of shock.
"Well, there are a few reasons." he said and then proceeded to tick them off on his fingers.
"One, I feel I can do more for the SGC from the Pentagon. Two, I've stipulated that if I take this transfer I can choose who my replacement will be. And last but definately not least, for a very selfish and personal reason."
"Sir, no one could call you selfish."
"Thank you Sam."
There was her name again. What was going on? Oh God, what if he was sick?

"So, do you want to know my third reason?"
Sam nodded even as she voiced her answer.
"Well ever sice Kerry and I split up,I've been re-evaluating my life and I came to a conclussion." Jack stopped talking, trying to figure out how best to continue. He lowered his eyes to his desk and continued.
"I've decided that at this time in my life I should be enjoying my life with a woman at my side. A strong, smart, beautiful woman with whom I've been in love with for years."
When he finished, Jack raised his eys to look at a shocked Sam.
"You're doing this for me?"
"No Sam, I'm doing this for us. That is, if you want there to be an us?"
"Of course I do!"
"Well then, do you have something to say to me?"
"Wha...., oh yeah. I love you Sir."
"Sam, you CAN call me Jack when you say that."
Sam blushed " Yes Jack." It sounded weird to hear his name on her lips. But in her dreams, she'd been calling him Jack for years.
"I love you Jack."

Jack looked out to the breifing room to make sure no one was around. Standing up, he closed the corridor door and went to take Sam's hand, lifting her out of her chair and into his arms. Finally, he brought his lips to hers in a kiss that was years in the making. It started soft and gentle but then his passion for this woman overtook him and he deepened the kiss. Sam fell in love with him all over again.

Finally they broke apart.
"How about dinner tonight?"
"Oh yes, but Jack I don't know if I can wait that long."
"Oh me neither, but until everything goes through with my transfer we still have the regs to deal with."
"When?"
"Only about 2 weeks. I've already choosen my replacement. He's already going through our security check and breifing."
"Jack, I am so happy!"
"Me too Sam, me too."

With another breif kiss Jack sent Sam back to her lab with both of them thinking of the night to come.

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Well there it is. Please tell me what you think. I'd really like to know how I did for my first time. Be kind please but I would appreciate constructive critisism. :o

Grace O'Neill
June 23rd, 2005, 06:33 PM
Nice Job, Divcon!!!

I really like it! Especially the part:

"You're doing this for me?"
"No Sam, I'm doing this for us. That is, if you want there to be an us?"

Very nice touch!!!

madfrenchie
June 23rd, 2005, 07:05 PM
Hey guys...it's been awhile. I'm just popping in to say what's up. I was wondering if any of you have read or heard what episodes Jack might make guest appearances in for season 9. :)

nell
June 23rd, 2005, 07:06 PM
http://www.architecturaldigest.com/ (http://) I've pondered about what the 15 year age difference between Sam and Jack would look like when she enters her 50's. That would place Jack around 70!! Well, I was at Barnes and Noble the other evening and saw the recent issue of Architectural Digest. I think this is my peek into the future.

Senator John McCain, 69, is a retired Naval officer and pilot. He saw action in Vietnam and was taken prisoner of war for many years. His wife is approximately 12-15 years younger. He's a tall, solidly built, and take- charge man with a great sense of humor and she is a lovely, bright woman. They are parents of 7 children. The oldest is an adult; I don't know the age of the younger kids but maybe teens.

See the link for their portrait on the cover. I checked FAQ but I was unable to figure how to post a link to the website. I think it's worth your time to copy and paste to see it. Tell me what you think!! nell :) ;)


http://www.architecturaldigest.com/

sg-1fanintn
June 23rd, 2005, 07:17 PM
sg-1fanintn-we have an old southern saying here in Texas too-"If momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy." them boys from vancouver-do not realize how unhappy momma is these days.

Yep, that's a good one too!


I expected this scene to serve as a wake-up call to Sam. There's always been a chance that he could be killed in action, and as a soldier, Sam could deal with that, but I don't think it really occurred to her that he might move on with a significant other the way she has. It should have. I expected her to be shocked at the thought of losing him in a way she hadn't considered, but it didn't come across that way.



I think the news that her dad was seriously ill put all thoughts of Jack out of Sam's mind for a little while. Remember, she had no idea Jacob was sick. I think she reacted to the shocking news that he was critically ill as any daughter would have......

As to why Kerry did what she did after observing Sam and Jack, I wrote a little fan fic (my one and only so far) that attempts to explain that. If you like, you can read it at: I did write a fan fic (my one and only so far) about why Kerry did what she did. If you like, you can read it at:

http://www.gateworld.net/fanfic/archive/35/realizations.html


how did Jacob know that Jack was interested in Sam and would step up to the plate? He was pushing her in that direction so how did he know?

I think Jacob has observed Jack and Sam enough over the years that he already realized what their feelings for each other were.

madfrenchie
June 23rd, 2005, 07:18 PM
I was also thinking again of the X-files series finale. Mulder was gone for what two seasons? Then they bring him back for the Mulder/ Scully relationship resolution. Hopefully it will be the same sort of senario for our favorite soul mates.

madfrenchie
June 23rd, 2005, 07:25 PM
Senator John McCain, 69, is a retired Naval officer and pilot. He saw action in Vietnam and was taken prisoner of war for many years. His wife is approximately 12-15 years younger. :)

That's funny, Nell! What about Ashton Kutcher and and Demi Moore? Heheh.

nell
June 23rd, 2005, 07:31 PM
Senator John McCain, 69, is a retired Naval officer and pilot. He saw action in Vietnam and was taken prisoner of war for many years. His wife is approximately 12-15 years younger. :)

That's funny, Nell! What about Ashton Kutcher and and Demi Moore? Heheh.

Now that's funny!!! Hee, hee!! But, this is what our Sam and Jack may look like in 15 years from now!!! Pretty good, I'd say!! :D

Buc252
June 23rd, 2005, 07:34 PM
You are right Uber, we should separate the actor from the character :o ... any pretty pics of DDL so we can start practicing :D

Oh, please, no!!!! At least, not here.

No, sorry, no cute, puppy dog eyes on him IMO. I have separated the character from the actor.

The character was an over-possessive moron who wouldn't let Sam be herself, and who destroyed my ship. So yes, I hated him.

The actor was somebody who came in to do a role, and probably would have been written out after one episode if it wasn't for who he was related to. I know Hollywood lives on nepotism, but I don't have to like it. Add to that I find him very physically unattractive and you have my reason for disliking the actor. I guess it's true about beauty being in the eye of the beholder!

I'm sorry if you don't agree with anything I've said, but I wanted to clarify that I *have* separated the character from the actor.

majorsal
June 23rd, 2005, 07:42 PM
WWWHA????

DDL has sweet puppy dog eyes...

Don't confuse the idiot character he played with the gorgeous actor folks!

There was never a Sam and David DeLuise story here...

So don't boil HIM alive!!!

FCOL...

:D

yeah, uber, but what if a person (myself) doesn't find him sexually attractive? no boiling, no picking on DAVID... just maybe some women out there aren't attracted to the guy. i know that affected 'some' of my feelings for the guy/storyline.

sally :)

majorsal
June 23rd, 2005, 07:46 PM
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[QUOTE=ÜberSG-1Fan]HOWEVER, I hated the 60 minute version. First they removed the cellphone scene the "Go pick flowers" scene...

They didn't show how she was in the car, how the mood between Pete and Sam had become much more forced (whereas they seemed comfortable to me in Chimera and Affinity, I sensed nothing but her apprehension in Threads)...they didn't show the last straw (the house)... //


i saw sam comfortable with ps in chimera (well, up until he went super spy that is :rolleyes: ), but i saw a LOT of uncomfortableness from her in affinity.


sally :)

Buc252
June 23rd, 2005, 07:47 PM
I was also thinking again of the X-files series finale. Mulder was gone for what two seasons? Then they bring him back for the Mulder/ Scully relationship resolution. Hopefully it will be the same sort of senario for our favorite soul mates.


Nooooooooo!!!!! :eek: The XF finale was horrible, and I hope for much much much much better for Jack and Sam. By the time The Truth aired, I didn't even want Scully and Mulder together because of her many betrayals of him in the last two seasons. By that point, he was just too good for her. And believe me, as an avid shipper, it takes a great deal to push me to that point.

I want a "happily ever after" for Sam and Jack. No matter what it takes. <g> And gosh darn it all, I want to *see* it - and soon!

madfrenchie
June 23rd, 2005, 08:08 PM
Nooooooooo!!!!! :eek: The XF finale was horrible, and I hope for much much much much better for Jack and Sam. By the time The Truth aired, I didn't even want Scully and Mulder together because of her many betrayals of him in the last two seasons. By that point, he was just too good for her. And believe me, as an avid shipper, it takes a great deal to push me to that point.

I want a "happily ever after" for Sam and Jack. No matter what it takes. <g> And gosh darn it all, I want to *see* it - and soon!

Yeah, you're right. Okay, worse case senario. Forgive me for my unbelief. Chris Carter always said M and S wouldn't get together so when that final episode came around I was enthralled.

girlgater
June 23rd, 2005, 08:09 PM
Hi Everybody: Here's a few ramblings for the night:

I was checking out GateWorld's home page and I have a question. Why haven't they published SG-1's S9 publicity photos yet? I would have thought that the would have wanted to push (oops, a little harsh) promote the new characters. It's going to be strange not seeing RDA in the opening credits, etc. I'm also anxious to see how AT looks after Baby Olivia. I bet she looks great.

In regards to the new characters, I never watched Farscape so I really don't know much about Ben Browder. I can't say I'm overly fond of the way in which they are portraying Vala--a little too much leather.

Oh well, I hope that Avalon gives us something--anything--to validate the fact that Sam and Jack have made the decision to move their relationship forward, in a public, mature fashion.

Have a good night everyone.

sacme
June 23rd, 2005, 08:12 PM
well-the chop job on threads could have been worse-and no-i have no idea how much worse-but there you are. however, my big complaint was that there was no previous indication that anybody was unhappy about anything....jack moved on with Kerry and appeared to be happy, sam was engaged and appeared to be happy, nothing from jacob that sam should have been worried about his reaction-the whole thing appeared to have come out of the blue. there was no indication that sam had second or third thoughts or that she was uncomfortable with marrying pete or that she was afraid of what Jacob would say. why did she go to Jack? what made Kerry wonder about what was going on between Jack and Sam. Threads was a nice thought-but they didn't complete the process.

I agree. "Threads" I can't love Threads for a few reasons.
-the S/J storyline still felt incomplete at the end
-Jacob dies (for what?)
-we don't get a moment with them alone and there is no conversation
-we don't see what Kerry sees, which makes her end her relationship with Jack

it had potential, but not a lot of resolution. at the end of the show, we know he knows he loves her and we know she knows she loves him, and we get a sense that they each know the other loves them-- but since I could have said that back in season 4, I would have liked more progress in this episode. wasn't this the official S/J resolution ep? Isn't RDA not gonna be around much in the 9th season? I wish we could have seen that first talk, but it seems we're just going to jump forward in the S/J storyline.

I hate that shippers must always live in the land of SUBTLE.

ship sistah

madfrenchie
June 23rd, 2005, 08:13 PM
yeah, uber, but what if a person (myself) doesn't find him sexually attractive? no boiling, no picking on DAVID... just maybe some women out there aren't attracted to the guy. i know that affected 'some' of my feelings for the guy/storyline.

sally :)

I never found him attractive either. When AT commented on how cute he was I was like "what the heck are you talking about?" No offense, but cute is gray hair and those intense, brown eyes. :D

sacme
June 23rd, 2005, 08:20 PM
snip

Who says we run a caption competition just now????

I'll give you a piccy...you make the captions! :D

it's a biggy! courtesy of rdanderson.com
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/sueKay/5784c602.jpg
Jack: there are a gazillion shippers watching us right now-- lets make it good.

madfrenchie
June 23rd, 2005, 08:33 PM
Jack: there are a gazillion shippers watching us right now-- lets make it good.

I love it! That's great!

majorsal
June 23rd, 2005, 08:45 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/Token04/BTSGraceAllAbtChemistry.jpg



god, what a good-looking couple. :) :) :)


sally :D

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 08:54 PM
a little finger touching from Sam and Jack ...because we believe that it is so
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/th15f8c9b9.jpg
pic fr stargate1971

RamonaThePest
June 23rd, 2005, 09:40 PM
You guys will have to keep us up to date when s9 starts cause who knows when we're going to get to see them on TV down here.

I will be extremely upset if tptb don't wrap up the relationship between Jack and Sam. They don't need to crack it over the audience's heads(although seeing them tie the knot would be a blessing). Most of us shippers would love to have a reference made every few eps, just a small mention would be fine. Having these people work together for 8 years, in the situation that they do, it's bound to raise their attractions to each other to the surface. We don't need to see the physical side of the relationship(well maybe), but we need acknowledgement of the commitment that they have made to each other. I also thought the ep where Jack broke up with Kerry and Sam broke it off with :eek: that it was "The One". Jack admitted to someone else,all be it in a round about way, that he did love Sam and Kerry's solution was right. Retire and run SGC as a civillian. It had been done before when Elizabeth ran it for a while before going off to Atlantis.

OK, so we can now assume that Jack didn't retire but he is also no longer her CO and that was always given as the reason they couldn't be together. Come on ptb, give us an ending to a long and anticipated relationship between Jack and Sam :p :p :D PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whom did Jack "admit" it to "in a roundabout way"? (We got the shortened version of Threads so lots and lots was cut)

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June 23rd, 2005, 09:46 PM
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[QUOTE=ÜberSG-1Fan]HOWEVER, I hated the 60 minute version. First they removed the cellphone scene the "Go pick flowers" scene...

They didn't show how she was in the car, how the mood between Pete and Sam had become much more forced (whereas they seemed comfortable to me in Chimera and Affinity, I sensed nothing but her apprehension in Threads)...they didn't show the last straw (the house)... //


i saw sam comfortable with ps in chimera (well, up until he went super spy that is :rolleyes: ), but i saw a LOT of uncomfortableness from her in affinity.


sally :)Sure...there was more awkwardness than in Chimera...which is where I saw them the most comfortable together (and where I mourned the possible loss of one of my favorite couples of all time)...but the ENTIRE episode of Threads was one REALLY uncomfortable moment between Sam and Pete....

Oh and just to ask you all...how many of you participated in Blue Jello Week? I had emails from people all over the world! I hope you joined in too....

Well, DID YA??!??

:D

RamonaThePest
June 23rd, 2005, 09:52 PM
Well part of good writing is continuity and they should know that by now! is anyone else severly irked?
Hecky yeah! Severely irked! It's not like we made up or asked for the ship. The writers gave it to us. Perfectly happy watching the show and they wrote it in that these characters cared about each other but were being kept apart. They continually drop tidbits (and try to pretend that we imagined or read more into it) and that really burns me! And even though I know it's just a show, O'Neill's character is starting to look like the type to lead women on. Kerry would have been stuck with a man in love with another woman for how log Fulfill Sam or set her free! Can anyone say "closure"? At this point, I'd be satified if Jack just confessed his feelings with an explanation of why he can't be with her!

Uber
June 23rd, 2005, 09:58 PM
Whom did Jack "admit" it to "in a roundabout way"? (We got the shortened version of Threads so lots and lots was cut)
Here's the scene from Threads:


Kerry in Jack's office....

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Kerry: I really like you. We're good together.

Jack: Yes. We are. But?

Kerry: You have issues. It's OK -- we all do. There's just one big one in particular that I don't think I can love with. (Jack raises his eyebrows. Kerry flinches and corrects herself.) Live with. I need to get out before I get more involved. We can still work together, can't we? I'd hate to have to ask for reassignment. This is really important to me. We agreed this would never affect the job.

Jack: We did.

Kerry: Good. (She smiles and walks towards the door, then turns and puts her hands on her hips.) You know, there's just one thing I don't understand.

Jack: Just one?

Kerry: Is the Air Force the only thing keeping you two apart? Rules and regulations? 'Cause if it is, you're making a very big mistake.

O'NEILL: And you know what I should do?

JOHNSON: Retire.

O'NEILL: Again.

JOHNSON: Don't get me wrong -- you are considered invaluable to the program by the Pentagon, but the President has appointed a civilian to run the S.G.C. before. (Jack nods.) Just a thought. (She leaves the room, leaving Jack looking pensive and bothered by what she's made him think about.)

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By his not correcting her personal observation or even indicating that she was off on her read on things he in fact confirmed that she was seeing the situation correctly. She wasn't wrong, of course...she saw it as soon as Sam showed up in his yard (just look at the way Kerry watches the two of them...especially the way she watches Jack watch Sam leave...and furthermore, riddle me this...WHY WOULD THE SITUATION HAVE BEEN AWKWARD if there had been no vibe between Jack and Sam???)

Which of course put Jack back in square one...poor guy was just hoping for something that he could have with a woman...I mean he was trying to deal with the fact that Sam was about to get married and they couldn't be together...and doggone it all, if the first woman (or at least the first we're privvy to) sees right through the façade to the heart of the matter...which was that his heart belonged to someone else...

:D

RamonaThePest
June 23rd, 2005, 10:15 PM
. ... By his not correcting her personal observation or even indicating that she was off on her read on things he in fact confirmed that she was seeing the situation correctly. She wasn't wrong, of course...she saw it as soon as Sam showed up in his yard (just look at the way Kerry watches the two of them...especially the way she watches Jack watch Sam leave...and furthermore, riddle me this...WHY WOULD THE SITUATION HAVE BEEN AWKWARD if there had been no vibe between Jack and Sam???)

Which of course put Jack back in square one...poor guy was just hoping for something that he could have with a woman...I mean he was trying to deal with the fact that Sam was about to get married and they couldn't be together...and doggone it all, if the first woman (or at least the first we're privvy to) sees right through the façade to the heart of the matter...which was that his heart belonged to someone else...

:D

Good points Uber. I guess I have to stop being mad at Jack. Here's another observation -- who the heck dresses Sam? I mean, of course there's the uniforms (which can't be helped) and she looks chic and tough when they're on a mission still on Earth, but when it comes to casual -- I was so mad for our girl cause they made her look dumpy next to Kerry. Especially her skirt! Anybody else notice how frumpy they dress Sam whenver she wears a skirt?

RamonaThePest
June 23rd, 2005, 10:26 PM
You are right Uber, we should separate the actor from the character :o ... any pretty pics of DDL so we can start practicing :D
He was kinda cute in Chimera (doesn't compare with our boy though); but in Season 8 -- he's just one of those DeLuise boys -- kinda on the chunnky side.

gatebee
June 23rd, 2005, 10:30 PM
pic fr stargate1971
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/1ec7f57b.jpg
Sam: Jack, what is wrong.
Jack: Season 9 is about to start and we won't get to see each other at all.
Sam: Don't worry. My love is strong. Those new guys they throw at me are no match. Remember....always.
Jack: Always...Sam

RamonaThePest
June 23rd, 2005, 10:49 PM
... What good does it do to have her see them together if it doesn't affects her deeply? And since Jack breaks up with Kerry so soon afterward, she knows that Kerry was never really any competition, so why should she worry about it? [/spoiler] Every one else has gone to bed and I'm still catching up on all the great posts.
REMEMBER, SAM DOESN'T KNOW JACK AND KERRY HAVE BROKEN UP. And for the record, Kerry broke up with Jack, not vice versa. Jack was as closed off as ever in expressing any emotion at Kerry's leaving (cool with me), but that's why I was so jealous for Sam. Jack must have confided (actually shared his feelings about Sam) with Kerry. How dare he talk to that bimbo and yet clams up with Sam! The writers should as least clue the audiece in into Jack's thoughts and reasoning for why he feels they can't be together.

majorsal
June 23rd, 2005, 11:17 PM
let's reminisce and squee! :D

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s1 -

children of the gods - jack and sam first laying eyes on one another and 'enjoying' it.

emancipation - jack admiring sam in the blue dress.

the broca divide - sam jumping jack in the locker room! THE first 'i'm really hot for you baby' vibe.

solitudes - sam and jack snuggling together to keep warm. *wink, wink*

there but for the grace of god - our first glimpse that sam and jack belong together.



s2 -

in the line of duty - jack caring about sam. a LOT.

secrets - flirty in front of dad.

out of mind - naked sam! jack notices!



s3 -

into the fire - naked sam! jack notices! hugging for heat. *wink, wink*

point of view - two carters. jack notices. another sign that sam and jack belong together.

jolinar's memories/the devil you know - jack worried about sam. deeply.

a hundred days - our official sign that sam's got it bad for jack.



s4 -

small victories - jack teases. sam throws her mega-watt smile in reply. *sigh*

divide and conquer - they confess to their feelings.

window of opportunity - jack cops a feel of sam's mouth.

beneath the surface - suppressed feeling that are so strong, they punch through their rewritten personalities.

the serpent's venom - jack likes sam's tummy.

2010 - look what happens when sam and jack don't get together. end of the world. nuff said.

the light - sam and jack's first argument. with touching. and looks.

entity - sam's taken over. jack reacts. sam almost dies. jack's going to follow.



s5 -

the fifth man - sam literally goes rambo in the gateroom to get back to jack.

desperate measures - jack has to find sam. at all costs.

proving ground - flirting! jello!

the warrior - jack shows off sam. i mean shows off sam's shooting skills.



s6 -

descent - sam and jack wet.

frozen - sam begs jack to take a symbiote. jack can't say no. to sam.

paradise lost - jack's missing. sam decomposes.

metamorphosis - sam's head on jack's shoulder. jack's ready to sacrifice himself to save her.



s7 -

evolution(s) - sam and jack share a 'moment' in her lab, before leaving separately into danger. after surviving, they share lunch. *wink, wink*

grace - sam coming to terms with her feelings for jack. or so she thinks. HOT KISS!!!

chimera - jack's hurting when sam goes for another guy.

death knell - jack comforts sam after she almost dies. snuggles!

heroes part one - sam gets uncomfortable when quizzed about her feelings for jack.

heroes part two - sam and jack have a MAJOR hug of comfort, relief, and grief.

lost city(s) - jack's going to die. sam tries to tell him her feelings. sam calls o'neill jack. sam grieves and touches her hand to his frozen face.



s8 -

new order(s) - sam almost dies to save jack. sam's very happy to see jack's alive and well. *sweet* promotion ceremony. *ceremony... wink, wink*

zero hour - jack and sam tease.

avatar - sam and jack against daniel and teal'c.

affinity - sam questions. jack grieves.

gemini - sam can't shoot jack.

citizen joe - jack stops joe from revealing jack's feelings for sam.

threads - THE moment of truth for sam and jack. sam tries to talk. he says always. sam dumps pete and kerry dumps jack. FISHING!

moebius(s) - another sign that sam and jack belong together. always. FISHING!


~~~


*sighs*


sally :D :D

Grace O'Neill
June 23rd, 2005, 11:26 PM
a little finger touching from Sam and Jack ...because we believe that it is so
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/th15f8c9b9.jpg
pic fr stargate1971

Yahoo!!!!

*jumps up and down*

That is one of my favorite pictures from Urgo!!!

*continues to jump up and down*

:D :D :D

I loved Urgo. Happy and SHIPPY!!! Nothing too obvious, but little hints, like that picture!!!

Thanks for posting it, gatebee!

Grace O'Neill
June 23rd, 2005, 11:36 PM
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*sighs*


sally :D :D


WOW! MajorSal!

Thanks for the recap! It was a much needed reminder of how their relationship grew. Slowly but surely!

Uber
June 23rd, 2005, 11:47 PM
Every one else has gone to bed and I'm still catching up on all the great posts.
REMEMBER, SAM DOESN'T KNOW JACK AND KERRY HAVE BROKEN UP. And for the record, Kerry broke up with Jack, not vice versa. Jack was as closed off as ever in expressing any emotion at Kerry's leaving (cool with me), but that's why I was so jealous for Sam. Jack must have confided (actually shared his feelings about Sam) with Kerry. How dare he talk to that bimbo and yet clams up with Sam! The writers should as least clue the audiece in into Jack's thoughts and reasoning for why he feels they can't be together.
Wow...I read it completely differently than you did.

I don't think Jack told Kerry a blessed thing about Sam and I think what he DIDN'T say spoke volumes.

I think Kerry paid attention and felt the vibe that coursed back and forth between Sam and Jack. She saw how uncomfortable he was with Sam being there. She saw how uncomfortable Sam was seeing Kerry there with Jack...and not because she had "found out their secret."

Kerry being with the CIA already has keen instincts about people (although not much skill was required in detecting the elephant in the room) could read the tells both Jack and Sam were giving off...the way he sloshed his beer, the way she postured herself in front of them...

I think that any convo between the two of them after Sam left went something like this...

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Kerry: I hope her dad's okay.

Jack (lost in thought, watching Sam walk around the side of his house): Yeah me too.

Kerry (still picking up signals, pauses a moment before continuing): So...that was odd, wasn't it?

Jack (still staring off after Sam, doesn't fully hear what Kerry's saying): Hmmm?

Kerry: Colonel Carter? It was strange her showing up like that...

Jack (still moderately distracted, turns toward Kerry briefly before heading back to the grill): Uh yeah. I guess so.

Kerry (suspicious about how quiet he is): So...what exactly did she want again?

Jack (lost in his thoughts as he mindlessly toys with the black substances formerly known as steaks still burning on the grill): Oh, um...she just wanted to talk shop. You know how it is...

Kerry (tilts her head to the side): Really? She wanted to talk about work? Because I got the impression that...

Jack (interrupting): So uh you ready to eat? I'm thinkin' these steaks are nearing perfection here and I'd HATE to overdo them.

Kerry (eyeing the charred flesh as Jack plops them onto plates, replies sardonically): Yeah...that'd be a shame...

Jack smiles wryly as he backs into the house carrying their food in with him. They were supposed to have eaten OUTSIDE.

Kerry (wistfully, to herself by herself as she follows him inside): A real shame...

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Oma-1
June 24th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Wow! Impressive Threads discussions!

I read a quote this morning on my church's website (it's my homepage so I check out the quote of the day before I go anywhere else). Today's quote really sums up my "ship philiosophy" :p

"We perhaps need to snatch happiness in little pieces, learning to recognise the elements of happiness and then treasuring them while they last."

So as far as Threads goes for me, I grab every little bit of ship and hug the living daylights out of it :p I try not to analyse it too much, cos it would spoil my enjoyment of the shippy moments in it I love, those being:

1. :eek: meeting Jacob (I see that as shippy cos it shows just how great Jack is compared to :eek: It says something when Jack's interpersonal skills are better! :p )

2. Sam and Jack in his backyard

3. Kerry breaking up with Jack. She picks up on those vibes soooo quickly - because they're so strong IMO.

4. Always infirmary scene

5. Fishing scene.

That's a whole lot of ship for one ep!

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 02:54 AM
Do you think my fic is worthy of posting it in the fanfics? I've written two more parts that continue on from what I posted here earlier. My daughter reads them and she loved them, but saying that, she is only 9 and a HUGE Jack and Sam fan. :o :rolleyes:

JackONeill
June 24th, 2005, 03:19 AM
Every one else has gone to bed and I'm still catching up on all the great posts.
REMEMBER, SAM DOESN'T KNOW JACK AND KERRY HAVE BROKEN UP. And for the record, Kerry broke up with Jack, not vice versa. Jack was as closed off as ever in expressing any emotion at Kerry's leaving (cool with me), but that's why I was so jealous for Sam. Jack must have confided (actually shared his feelings about Sam) with Kerry. How dare he talk to that bimbo and yet clams up with Sam! The writers should as least clue the audiece in into Jack's thoughts and reasoning for why he feels they can't be together.

I thought of it completely different. I think that he didn't confide in her his feelings for Sam, Kerry just figured it out. It doesn't seem like Jack to openly discuss his feelings for Sam, especially to his GF. I think it was really nice of Kerry to say something about it instead of getting mad at him, and doing the whole screaming thing. I believe the episode really showed how great of a character Kerry is by how she realized Jack's feelings and confronted them like a civil person.

shipper hannah
June 24th, 2005, 03:28 AM
I thought of it completely different. I think that he didn't confide in her his feelings for Sam, Kerry just figured it out. It doesn't seem like Jack to openly discuss his feelings for Sam, especially to his GF. I think it was really nice of Kerry to say something about it instead of getting mad at him, and doing the whole screaming thing. I believe the episode really showed how great of a character Kerry is by how she realized Jack's feelings and confronted them like a civil person.

i thought that too

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 03:30 AM
somebody please tell me what it is with this show and what they are not dressing their women characters in? I believe the word I am looking for is "clothes"

nell
June 24th, 2005, 04:36 AM
let's reminisce and squee! :D

going down memory lane...


*sighs*


sally :D :D

Sally, This is terrific. :D Can you add the "fishing invitations" to the memories? And the sniff in the elevator? LOL!! ;)

sueKay
June 24th, 2005, 04:44 AM
I'm so glad to see some spec!!!!!!!!!

I've not really got much to add, but I'm writing a Threads based fic that I hope helps...

http://www.fanfiction.net/~suekay04

It's called in between the threads and should be updated soon...it goes up to the Sam/Jack/Kerry scene

nell
June 24th, 2005, 04:48 AM
Wow...I read it completely differently than you did.


=================================

Season 8 Originally, I thought Kerry and Jack talked before she broke up with him. If not, she certainly is a shrewd judge of people and that may be a reflection of her excellent CIA skills. Not only that but she is assertive and speaks right up, huh? Whatever the circumstance, they did or did not talk, it seemed that TPTB were more comfortable with an outsider taking "it" out of the room for Jack to see in order to move this relationship forward. Thus, he goes to Sam in the observation room. BTW, you did a great job with conveying Jack in your dialogue!! :D

nell
June 24th, 2005, 05:01 AM
Wow! Impressive Threads discussions!

I read a quote this morning on my church's website (it's my homepage so I check out the quote of the day before I go anywhere else). Today's quote really sums up my "ship philiosophy" :p

"We perhaps need to snatch happiness in little pieces, learning to recognise the elements of happiness and then treasuring them while they last."

So as far as Threads goes for me, I grab every little bit of ship and hug the living daylights out of it :p I try not to analyse it too much, cos it would spoil my enjoyment of the shippy moments in it I love, those being:


That's a whole lot of ship for one ep!

Don't forget that in Threads-Season 8 Jacob and Sam do not react negatively to Jack calling or referring to Jacob as, "Dad!!" in past episodes. Um, how many times has Jack said "Dad?" Tell me I'm not confusing my fanfic reading with the show!!

I like your daily quote. I share your embracing each little shippy moment. See how they build upon each other (see Majorsal's list)? Maybe toooooo slow but growing!!

Which leads me to remind you all that there are

21 DAYS UNTIL SEASON 9 PREMIERE ON JULY 15

sueKay
June 24th, 2005, 05:03 AM
Just a quick heads up to the new family members

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Stargate_Intel
- the Shipper Alpha Site for times when GW's not about...run by yours densely (me), _Anubis and GateBee

http://s10.invisionfree.com/Intel_Fanfiction
- a chill out zone for fic writers with a variety of stories by several authors for you to read!

http://s11.invisionfree.com/Stargate_Omega
The beta site for shippers. Run by Anubis and MagnaDefender!

NOTE: Following contain S8 spoilers
http://home.earthlink.net/~rdapix2/Potatohead.htm
Mala's MUST-SEE potatohead collection
http://home.earthlink.net/~rdapix2/GWShipGraphics2.htm
and more MUST-SEE Mala creations
http://home.earthlink.net/~rdapix2/ShipperTown.htm
The FAMOUS SHIPPER TOWN MAP!
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=183106&postcount=20
Some penguin madness
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=183499&postcount=33
some more Mala goodness
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=184903&postcount=49
the slapstick penguins
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=188010&postcount=72
a relic from the red dinger who couldn't speel :P
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=189937&postcount=91
just LMAO!!
and...
http://home.earthlink.net/~rdapix2/misc%20pix/NightmaredreamT2.gif
my personal fave!

sueKay
June 24th, 2005, 05:13 AM
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=202280&postcount=338
and another one...spoilers for Assinity.

dannyluver
June 24th, 2005, 05:13 AM
What's the point of putting the "spoiler" thingy on season eight discussions anymore in this thread? We keep forgetting to. Hee hee. Oh! I love the nightmare into a dream thing. NICE! very awesome. Oh, and........*drumroll, please*

Welcome to the Sam/Jack ship family discussion thread, jackoneill!!YAAAAAAY!

Okay, my moment of insanity is done.

sueKay
June 24th, 2005, 05:14 AM
Dannyluver - in the UK, s8 is yet to air on terrestial TV...it's only aired on cable...some people here might not have seen the eps yet, plus it's forum rules...

better to be safe than sorry!

dannyluver
June 24th, 2005, 05:15 AM
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=202280&postcount=338
and another one...spoilers for Assinity.

It's "Affinity"...oh well!

OH MY GOSH! THAT SO ROCKS! HAHAHA!

Very nice.

blueiris
June 24th, 2005, 05:17 AM
let's reminisce and squee! :D

spoilers for ALL seasons

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going down memory lane...


s1 -

children of the gods - jack and sam first laying eyes on one another and 'enjoying' it.

emancipation - jack admiring sam in the blue dress.

the broca divide - sam jumping jack in the locker room! THE first 'i'm really hot for you baby' vibe.

solitudes - sam and jack snuggling together to keep warm. *wink, wink*

there but for the grace of god - our first glimpse that sam and jack belong together.



s2 -

in the line of duty - jack caring about sam. a LOT.

secrets - flirty in front of dad.

out of mind - naked sam! jack notices!



s3 -

into the fire - naked sam! jack notices! hugging for heat. *wink, wink*

point of view - two carters. jack notices. another sign that sam and jack belong together.

jolinar's memories/the devil you know - jack worried about sam. deeply.

a hundred days - our official sign that sam's got it bad for jack.



s4 -

small victories - jack teases. sam throws her mega-watt smile in reply. *sigh*

divide and conquer - they confess to their feelings.

window of opportunity - jack cops a feel of sam's mouth.

beneath the surface - suppressed feeling that are so strong, they punch through their rewritten personalities.

the serpent's venom - jack likes sam's tummy.

2010 - look what happens when sam and jack don't get together. end of the world. nuff said.

the light - sam and jack's first argument. with touching. and looks.

entity - sam's taken over. jack reacts. sam almost dies. jack's going to follow.



s5 -

the fifth man - sam literally goes rambo in the gateroom to get back to jack.

desperate measures - jack has to find sam. at all costs.

proving ground - flirting! jello!

the warrior - jack shows off sam. i mean shows off sam's shooting skills.



s6 -

descent - sam and jack wet.

frozen - sam begs jack to take a symbiote. jack can't say no. to sam.

paradise lost - jack's missing. sam decomposes.

metamorphosis - sam's head on jack's shoulder. jack's ready to sacrifice himself to save her.



s7 -

evolution(s) - sam and jack share a 'moment' in her lab, before leaving separately into danger. after surviving, they share lunch. *wink, wink*

grace - sam coming to terms with her feelings for jack. or so she thinks. HOT KISS!!!

chimera - jack's hurting when sam goes for another guy.

death knell - jack comforts sam after she almost dies. snuggles!

heroes part one - sam gets uncomfortable when quizzed about her feelings for jack.

heroes part two - sam and jack have a MAJOR hug of comfort, relief, and grief.

lost city(s) - jack's going to die. sam tries to tell him her feelings. sam calls o'neill jack. sam grieves and touches her hand to his frozen face.



s8 -

new order(s) - sam almost dies to save jack. sam's very happy to see jack's alive and well. *sweet* promotion ceremony. *ceremony... wink, wink*

zero hour - jack and sam tease.

avatar - sam and jack against daniel and teal'c.

affinity - sam questions. jack grieves.

gemini - sam can't shoot jack.

citizen joe - jack stops joe from revealing jack's feelings for sam.

threads - THE moment of truth for sam and jack. sam tries to talk. he says always. sam dumps pete and kerry dumps jack. FISHING!

moebius(s) - another sign that sam and jack belong together. always. FISHING!


~~~


*sighs*


sally :D :D

I love this, majorsal. But why do I get the feeling I'm riding up-hill at the beginning of this post, reach the top (major ship), then I start coasting leisurely down the hill. :( Not counting Threads and M1&2, which left me at the top of the hill again, just not quite sure how I got there. :S Stupid Rollercoaster.

sueKay
June 24th, 2005, 05:19 AM
Dannyluver...the shipper family knows of no such episode called Affinity...we christened evil hour...'assinity' instead!!!!!!!

Hmm...methinks it's time for shipper family history 101!

But I gotta go and work...majorsal...token anyone who's been here longer than me care to do the honours???

dannyluver
June 24th, 2005, 05:20 AM
That's kinda how I saw it too! Then, of course with Threads and Moebius, It shoots up again!! That's why I love it so! *sigh*

sueKay
June 24th, 2005, 05:41 AM
I've got a new photobucket with some on my creations on display...

http://photobucket.com/albums/b298/suz_k/

Rogue
June 24th, 2005, 05:41 AM
Wow...I read it completely differently than you did.

I don't think Jack told Kerry a blessed thing about Sam and I think what he DIDN'T say spoke volumes.

I think Kerry paid attention and felt the vibe that coursed back and forth between Sam and Jack. She saw how uncomfortable he was with Sam being there. She saw how uncomfortable Sam was seeing Kerry there with Jack...and not because she had "found out their secret."

Kerry being with the CIA already has keen instincts about people (although not much skill was required in detecting the elephant in the room) could read the tells both Jack and Sam were giving off...the way he sloshed his beer, the way she postured herself in front of them...

I think that any convo between the two of them after Sam left went something like this...

=================================

Kerry: I hope her dad's okay.

Jack (lost in thought, watching Sam walk around the side of his house): Yeah me too.

Kerry (still picking up signals, pauses a moment before continuing): So...that was odd, wasn't it?

Jack (still staring off after Sam, doesn't fully hear what Kerry's saying): Hmmm?

Kerry: Colonel Carter? It was strange her showing up like that...

Jack (still moderately distracted, turns toward Kerry briefly before heading back to the grill): Uh yeah. I guess so.

Kerry (suspicious about how quiet he is): So...what exactly did she want again?

Jack (lost in his thoughts as he mindlessly toys with the black substances formerly known as steaks still burning on the grill): Oh, um...she just wanted to talk shop. You know how it is...

Kerry (tilts her head to the side): Really? She wanted to talk about work? Because I got the impression that...

Jack (interrupting): So uh you ready to eat? I'm thinkin' these steaks are nearing perfection here and I'd HATE to overdo them.

Kerry (eyeing the charred flesh as Jack plops them onto plates, replies sardonically): Yeah...that'd be a shame...

Jack smiles wryly as he backs into the house carrying their food in with him. They were supposed to have eaten OUTSIDE.

Kerry (wistfully, to herself by herself as she follows him inside): A real shame...

=================================

I agree, I don't think Jack opened up to Kerry, in fact I think he shut down. They probably made small talk while they ate. I imagine the tone of the afternoon changed considerably after Sam left.

I also wondered if Jack made a effort to keep Kerry and Sam apart on Kerrys visits to the SGC. She was suppose to head up the investigation into the NID but had appearently never had talked or interviewed Sam. Sam had just as much dealings with the NID as Jack, maybe more. Just a thought that maybe she had asked to interview Sam and Jack always gave her a excuse not to.

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 06:13 AM
SG-Phas published several new episodic photos for the Stargate AG-1 Season 9 episode "Origin". Follow the links & enjoy the new photos!

http://www.stargate-project.de/star...howfolge&ID=177

Not sure if you guys have seen this link but there is a fantastice photo of Jack in his dress blues with a bearded Daniel. Hope you like it as much as I did. Thanks Thor for showing us Jack as a Major General. :) :p

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 06:16 AM
I agree, I don't think Jack opened up to Kerry, in fact I think he shut down. They probably made small talk while they ate. I imagine the tone of the afternoon changed considerably after Sam left.

I also wondered if Jack made a effort to keep Kerry and Sam apart on Kerrys visits to the SGC. She was suppose to head up the investigation into the NID but had appearently never had talked or interviewed Sam. Sam had just as much dealings with the NID as Jack, maybe more. Just a thought that maybe she had asked to interview Sam and Jack always gave her a excuse not to.

You are so right, Jack just closed down when Sam left and only a blind person couldn't see exactly how he felt about Sam. I also found it strange that Kerry didn't interview Sam either, considering she was supposed to be doing a complete investigation.

Myrth
June 24th, 2005, 06:56 AM
Playing with photshop again (all hail CS2) I was thinking of season 9 & Jack's decision to leave and this came out. :D

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gateworld/samjack.jpg

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 07:32 AM
Playing with photshop again (all hail CS2) I was thinking of season 9 & Jack's decision to leave and this came out. :D

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gateworld/samjack.jpg

What a great photo. Love it. ;)

sg-1fanintn
June 24th, 2005, 07:51 AM
HOWEVER, I hated the 60 minute version. First they removed the cellphone scene the "Go pick flowers" scene...

They didn't show how she was in the car, how the mood between Pete and Sam had become much more forced (whereas they seemed comfortable to me in Chimera and Affinity, I sensed nothing but her apprehension in Threads)...they didn't show the last straw (the house)... //


i saw sam comfortable with ps in chimera (well, up until he went super spy that is :rolleyes: ), but i saw a LOT of uncomfortableness from her in affinity.

I thought they did show the house scene. But, of course, I was so angry at that point that I wasn't paying as much attention as I normally would. I had already blasted off a scathing e-mail to Sci-Fi.....which has not been answered, even though I specifically requested a reply. I'm not surprised at that, though.

What irritated me about the editing was that some of those cafe scenes could have been shortened without taking away from the story content. I felt those scenes were much too long the first time I saw them, even though they were integral to the storyline.

The scenes Uber references, by contrast, were key to why Sam, Jack, Jacob and Kerry acted as they did in the rest of the ep. Of course, to edit down the cafe scenes would have required more labor, because the cuts would have to be made more carefully. Cutting ALMOST ALL of the scenes from the other storyline was faster and cheaper.

Oma-1
June 24th, 2005, 07:57 AM
Playing with photshop again (all hail CS2) I was thinking of season 9 & Jack's decision to leave and this came out. :D

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gateworld/samjack.jpg

Great pic Myrth :)

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 08:01 AM
I thought they did show the house scene. But, of course, I was so angry at that point that I wasn't paying as much attention as I normally would. I had already blasted off a scathing e-mail to Sci-Fi.....which has not been answered, even though I specifically requested a reply. I'm not surprised at that, though.

What irritated me about the editing was that some of those cafe scenes could have been shortened without taking away from the story content. I felt those scenes were much too long the first time I saw them, even though they were integral to the storyline.

The scenes Uber references, by contrast, were key to why Sam, Jack, Jacob and Kerry acted as they did in the rest of the ep. Of course, to edit down the cafe scenes would have required more labor, because the cuts would have to be made more carefully. Cutting ALMOST ALL of the scenes from the other storyline was faster and cheaper.
I am so tempted to be quite snarky here about the cutting room floor drop offs-yeah, they over extended some things and short-sheeted others. The cafe scenes-some of them were superfluous and the scenes that really needed some more information gave none.

dipsofjazz
June 24th, 2005, 08:16 AM
Oh, please, no!!!! At least, not here.

No, sorry, no cute, puppy dog eyes on him IMO. I have separated the character from the actor.

The character was an over-possessive moron who wouldn't let Sam be herself, and who destroyed my ship. So yes, I hated him.

The actor was somebody who came in to do a role, and probably would have been written out after one episode if it wasn't for who he was related to. I know Hollywood lives on nepotism, but I don't have to like it. Add to that I find him very physically unattractive and you have my reason for disliking the actor. I guess it's true about beauty being in the eye of the beholder!

I'm sorry if you don't agree with anything I've said, but I wanted to clarify that I *have* separated the character from the actor.
Great post Buc, and I have to say that I agree with every word you just said. :)

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 08:27 AM
Oh, please, no!!!! At least, not here.

No, sorry, no cute, puppy dog eyes on him IMO. I have separated the character from the actor.

The character was an over-possessive moron who wouldn't let Sam be herself, and who destroyed my ship. So yes, I hated him.

The actor was somebody who came in to do a role, and probably would have been written out after one episode if it wasn't for who he was related to. I know Hollywood lives on nepotism, but I don't have to like it.

Speaking of nepotism, here's a list.

Peter DeLuise - pops up in eps all the time( all be it usually in the background)
Michael DeLuise - (Brother) - Wormhole Extreme
David DeLuise - (Brother) - Pete Shanahan
Dom DeLuise - (Father) - Urgo

Now I'm not saying that I didn't like the episodes but are there anymore DeLuise's out there that are going to show up on Stargate? :confused:

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 08:30 AM
Speaking of nepotism, here's a list.

Peter DeLuise - pops up in eps all the time( all be it usually in the background)
Michael DeLuise - (Brother) - Wormhole Extreme
David DeLuise - (Brother) - Pete Shanahan
Dom DeLuise - (Father) - Urgo

Now I'm not saying that I didn't like the episodes but are there anymore DeLuise's out there that are going to show up on Stargate? :confused:
didn't one of the Mrs. Deluise's play a part on one of the shows-i think The Other Side or even Wormhole Extreme?

sg-1fanintn
June 24th, 2005, 08:38 AM
OK, so we can now assume that Jack didn't retire but he is also no longer her CO and that was always given as the reason they couldn't be together. Come on ptb, give us an ending to a long and anticipated relationship between Jack and Sam PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm still not assuming which one left the Air Force.....Sam or Jack.....or if either did. These early S9 pics of Jack may show him right before his retirement (as Landry is about to take over the SGC). And Sam's work at Area 51 raises questions about her military status too. Now that she's out of his direct chain of command, the regs may not even be an issue anymore.....so maybe neither has left the Air Force.


And even though I know it's just a show, O'Neill's character is starting to look like the type to lead women on. Kerry would have been stuck with a man in love with another woman for how log Fulfill Sam or set her free! Can anyone say "closure"? At this point, I'd be satified if Jack just confessed his feelings with an explanation of why he can't be with her!

I don't think Jack was l eading Kerry on. At the point they started seeing each other, he thought he had lost Sam to :eek: . So, I believe he was simply trying to move on.....and here comes this bright, attractive CIA agent who sparks his curiousity and returns his interest. I think he was just attempting (albeit unsuccessfully) to put his life back together and to repair his broken heart.


Every one else has gone to bed and I'm still catching up on all the great posts.
REMEMBER, SAM DOESN'T KNOW JACK AND KERRY HAVE BROKEN UP. And for the record, Kerry broke up with Jack, not vice versa. Jack was as closed off as ever in expressing any emotion at Kerry's leaving (cool with me), but that's why I was so jealous for Sam. Jack must have confided (actually shared his feelings about Sam) with Kerry. How dare he talk to that bimbo and yet clams up with Sam! The writers should as least clue the audiece in into Jack's thoughts and reasoning for why he feels they can't be together.

Gotta disagree here. Sam probably wasn't sure in the infirmary scene that they had broken up, but I think his spoken, "Always," and the look in his eyes probably gave her a strong indication. And by the time they went on the fishing trip, I'm confident that they had discussed it. And, as for not expressing any emotion at Kerry's discussion with him, think about what that means. He didn't argue because there was no sense lying about it. She had realized the truth. Jack has always been a man of few words when it comes to his feelings.


I think that he didn't confide in her his feelings for Sam, Kerry just figured it out. It doesn't seem like Jack to openly discuss his feelings for Sam, especially to his GF. I think it was really nice of Kerry to say something about it instead of getting mad at him, and doing the whole screaming thing. I believe the episode really showed how great of a character Kerry is by how she realized Jack's feelings and confronted them like a civil person.

I agree. Not only did Kerry show some class, she also showed some common sense by recognizing the situation for what it was and getting away from it as fast as she could. And, I think Kerry's actions should be an example to any woman who finds herself in a similar situation!
Since you're new, let me direct you to my little fanfic about that situation: http://www.gateworld.net/fanfic/archive/35/realizations.html

And by the way:


Welcome, JackONeill!


I've got a new photobucket with some on my creations on display...

http://photobucket.com/albums/b298/suz_k/

Very nice stuff, SueKay.....including those pics of you!

ShimmeringStar
June 24th, 2005, 08:38 AM
Speaking of nepotism, here's a list.

Peter DeLuise - pops up in eps all the time( all be it usually in the background)
Michael DeLuise - (Brother) - Wormhole Extreme
David DeLuise - (Brother) - Pete Shanahan
Dom DeLuise - (Father) - Urgo

Now I'm not saying that I didn't like the episodes but are there anymore DeLuise's out there that are going to show up on Stargate? :confused:From discussions on the thread last summer, the wonderfully talented Mala50 had created the following graphic..... be sure to read all the listings BTW.... :D



http://home.earthlink.net/~rdapix2/misc%20pix/TVGShanahans.jpg

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 08:38 AM
didn't one of the Mrs. Deluise's play a part on one of the shows-i think The Other Side or even Wormhole Extreme?

Gee I don't know, I'll check on that tomorrow,oops I mean later today. Would she be listed as a DeLuise? :rolleyes:

Caro
June 24th, 2005, 08:39 AM
Speaking of nepotism, here's a list.

Peter DeLuise - pops up in eps all the time( all be it usually in the background)
Michael DeLuise - (Brother) - Wormhole Extreme
David DeLuise - (Brother) - Pete Shanahan
Dom DeLuise - (Father) - Urgo

Now I'm not saying that I didn't like the episodes but are there anymore DeLuise's out there that are going to show up on Stargate? :confused:

Urgo is one of my favourite episode, I think Dom did a great job playing Urgo... he was sooooo funny !!

And I like searching for Peter deLuise in every episodes he has directed, it's a sort of "game for the fans only" ;)

I don't really mind Peter giving a role to his family members has long as they do a good job :)

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 08:42 AM
From discussions on the thread last summer, the wonderfully talented Mala50 had created the following graphic..... be sure to read all the listings BTW.... :D



http://home.earthlink.net/~rdapix2/misc%20pix/TVGShanahans.jpg

What a great picture that is I love it.

Rogue
June 24th, 2005, 09:01 AM
Oh, please, no!!!! At least, not here.

No, sorry, no cute, puppy dog eyes on him IMO. I have separated the character from the actor.

The character was an over-possessive moron who wouldn't let Sam be herself, and who destroyed my ship. So yes, I hated him.

The actor was somebody who came in to do a role, and probably would have been written out after one episode if it wasn't for who he was related to. I know Hollywood lives on nepotism, but I don't have to like it. Add to that I find him very physically unattractive and you have my reason for disliking the actor. I guess it's true about beauty being in the eye of the beholder!

I'm sorry if you don't agree with anything I've said, but I wanted to clarify that I *have* separated the character from the actor.

I am with you. I didn't find Pete attractive both physically or mentally. Sam could have done so much better. I find it kind of sad that Sam thought so little of herself to be going with such a loser.

But I also think the reason Pete stayed around so long was:
1) actor related to producer
2) fans(mainly shippers) got pissed off
3) Season 8 so they can draw the Sam and Jack out for one more year.

AncientKnowledge
June 24th, 2005, 09:03 AM
http://www.architecturaldigest.com/ (http://) I've pondered about what the 15 year age difference between Sam and Jack would look like when she enters her 50's. That would place Jack around 70!! Well, I was at Barnes and Noble the other evening and saw the recent issue of Architectural Digest. I think this is my peek into the future.

Senator John McCain, 69, is a retired Naval officer and pilot. He saw action in Vietnam and was taken prisoner of war for many years. His wife is approximately 12-15 years younger. He's a tall, solidly built, and take- charge man with a great sense of humor and she is a lovely, bright woman. They are parents of 7 children. The oldest is an adult; I don't know the age of the younger kids but maybe teens.

See the link for their portrait on the cover. I checked FAQ but I was unable to figure how to post a link to the website. I think it's worth your time to copy and paste to see it. Tell me what you think!! nell :) ;)


http://www.architecturaldigest.com/

lol ((((nell)))) thats too great! :D :) Thats does remind me of them. :p

dipsofjazz
June 24th, 2005, 09:07 AM
I am with you. I didn't find Pete attractive both physically or mentally. Sam could have done so much better. I find it kind of sad that Sam thought so little of herself to be going with such a loser.

But I also think the reason Pete stayed around so long was:
1) actor related to producer
2) fans(mainly shippers) got pissed off
3) Season 8 so they can draw the Sam and Jack out for one more year.
Good points Rogue. Don't forget that I think TPTB were taken by surprise at the outright hatred for the character, so they (RCC in particular) thought we had "issues". I think the loathing of Pete pi$$ed them off so much that they were determined to have him back.
*sigh* These guys are worse than little kids! :rolleyes:

Rogue
June 24th, 2005, 09:48 AM
Good points Rogue. Don't forget that I think TPTB were taken by surprise at the outright hatred for the character, so they (RCC in particular) thought we had "issues". I think the loathing of Pete pi$$ed them off so much that they were determined to have him back.
*sigh* These guys are worse than little kids! :rolleyes:

TPTB were right, I do have "issues" with a character that:

1) treats Sam badly
2) acts like a 5 year when denied information about her job
3) checks up on her
4) follows her to a stakeout
5) interfers with the stakeout and then not only was he not punished, they gave him information about a top secret operation.
6) brings a box of wine on a date

Did I leave anything out guys?

What were TPTB thinking when they wrote this guy? Lets give Sam a loser boyfriend?

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 10:12 AM
TPTB were right, I do have "issues" with a character that:

1) treats Sam badly
2) acts like a 5 year when denied information about her job
3) checks up on her
4) follows her to a stakeout
5) interfers with the stakeout and then not only was he not punished, they gave him information about a top secret operation.
6) brings a box of wine on a date

Did I leave anything out guys?

What were TPTB thinking when they wrote this guy? Lets give Sam a loser boyfriend?
i don't suppose they were thinking much past that one episode. let's give sam a boyfriend who doesn't die-but what they failed to do what thing thru the kind of boyfriend they gave Sam-was it someone that they thought Sam might like?-or was it someone they thought they might like?

don't these guys have mothers, wives, daughters, sisters, girlfriends????

Rogue
June 24th, 2005, 10:31 AM
i don't suppose they were thinking much past that one episode. let's give sam a boyfriend who doesn't die-but what they failed to do what thing thru the kind of boyfriend they gave Sam-was it someone that they thought Sam might like?-or was it someone they thought they might like?

don't these guys have mothers, wives, daughters, sisters, girlfriends????

The "issue" they thought we had was that Sam had a bf. That wasn't the issue. It was what type of bf they gave her.

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 10:33 AM
The "issue" they thought we had was that Sam had a bf. That wasn't the issue. It was what type of bf they gave her.
you are right Rogue-that is exactly what they thought we had "issues" with-the boyfriend-they just didn't get that it was the type of boyfriend they gave to Sam-not that they gave Sam a boyfriend.

jay
June 24th, 2005, 11:24 AM
well i did kinda if an isue with sam having a b/f. i don't really want to see her with any one but jack. im sure thats considered mean and rude or whatever but i truly think her and jack belong to gether. i just hate seeing her with somebody besides jack.

nell
June 24th, 2005, 11:26 AM
The "issue" they thought we had was that Sam had a bf. That wasn't the issue. It was what type of bf they gave her.

To take this one step further, they were hardly respectful of Sam and the type of man she would be attracted to. Sure, she was engaged to Jonas, the loose cannon! But, Sam has matured and as she evolves she has confidence and esteem to seek the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah! She likes the "lunatic fringe" code for someone exciting. But, where she made an error in judgement with Jonas, she certainly exhibited that choosing Jack was a far better mate although prohibited by the regs. Jack is exciting, Jack is on the edge but he is honorable and respects Sam. Unlike :eek: That's where I am angry at TPTB. They chose a totally unsuitable BF for Sam. Or, maybe TPTB are so brilliant as to choose a BF that is NO competition to Jack. Totally, laughable and no threat. NOPE, they aren't. At least Jack's Threads choice in Kerry was realistic. She actually was a bright, attractive, assertive woman. Did I mention SMART for seeing that Jack's heart was taken and gracefully stepped down? Yeah, she was!

ses110
June 24th, 2005, 11:48 AM
Rogue I think you hit on all the points.I just Love how TPTB push the Sam and Jack ship from the very start and then give Sam a Boyfriend in Season 7 and a lousy one at that and the Shippers are not suppose to be upset and TPTB tell us we have issues.IMO it's Hollywood that has the issues.Some members of TPTB should count themselves like they still have a Job.IMO it's been the talent of the Cast that has made this show work.

nickatell
June 24th, 2005, 11:51 AM
Someone asked a while back if Kerry hadn't broken off the relationship between her and Jack, if Jack would have and it made me think (pardon me not remembering your name but two thoughts in my head at one time is dangerous), if Kerry didn't break off the relationship with Jack would Jack have gone to be with Sam in the infirmary? Oh no I stumped myself, no kidding aside, I'm really not sure. I mean I know Sam was on Jacks mind not only because of her father but I think he was questioning what she ultimately came to his house for and just how far explaination wise she would have gone if she hadn't been interrupted, but still knowing how slow Jack is would that have been enough for him to go to Sam? Do you guys think that by Kerry breaking off the relationship with him and giving him the reason for it that she did made him realize just how important Sam is to him, that he can't have another relationship until he resolves his relationship with Sam? In fact when Kerry tells him he has issues, etc., if you watch Jack he kind of smiles a little like he was intrigued that she caught on as fast as she did. I think that the key wasn't Kerry breaking off the relationship with Jack, I think the key was Sam coming to his house and telling him that she was having second thoughts about the wedding and thinking she was making a big, huge mistake. It opened a window for him telling him that maybe she wasn't as happy with Pete as she was making him believe. Again IMO the whole reason Jack didn't go to Sam was because he thought she was truly happy and in love with Pete, but with this new realization that perhaps she wasn't, made him think and that is ultimately what made him go to Sam in the infirmary, the fact that Kerry broke off their relationship was in Jack's mind only a matter of time anyway.

Okay now that I have confused everyone, did that make any sense?

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 12:07 PM
I am with you. I didn't find Pete attractive both physically or mentally. Sam could have done so much better. I find it kind of sad that Sam thought so little of herself to be going with such a loser.

But I also think the reason Pete stayed around so long was:
1) actor related to producer
2) fans(mainly shippers) got pissed off
3) Season 8 so they can draw the Sam and Jack out for one more year.
totally agree with you all on three points

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 12:12 PM
Urgo is one of my favourite episode, I think Dom did a great job playing Urgo... he was sooooo funny !!

And I like searching for Peter deLuise in every episodes he has directed, it's a sort of "game for the fans only" ;)

I don't really mind Peter giving a role to his family members has long as they do a good job :)
Agree URGO was a good ep. I don't mind the deLuise clan being there but please please not to pass him off as a bf. That was very lame because no way he was compatible on any level to Col. Samantha Carter. Pete's character was way off.

nickatell
June 24th, 2005, 12:15 PM
But again reliving the fact that Sam and Jack went through all of this and have now come to these startling realizations about each other....nothing happens. TPTB have dropped the ball, they have peeked our emotions once again and we have fallen on our faces once again. [spoilers] Now I guess we are suppose to believe that the team went fishing, although according to TPTB nothing happened between Jack and Sam and what business as usual. When Season 9 starts Sam has left SG-1 basically the whole team has broken up and gone their separate ways. Sam has gone to Washington to Area 51 and to be with Cassie, and Jack is going to leave Stargate and be in charge of Homeworld Security in Washington I imagine; but according to that picture of Jack he is still contemplating his move. Now although we shippers would love to believe that he is doing this to be near Sam, I read somewhere that he would be a couple of levels up into Sams chain of command and that the regulations where still in force and therefore nothing could happen between them still, I believe that is how it went anyway. So could I just ask a stupid question, what in the heck was the reason for Threads? I mean it really didn't bring US any closer than we have been for the last 8 years, I kind of feel like we have gone into a circle at the beginning of Season 7 and we have now come out exactly where we went in. Think about it, most of us felt Sam questioning Jacks feelings for her kind of came out of the blue; so now that she realizes that he still has feelings for her, she is all better, but what was the advancement for US?

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 12:15 PM
From discussions on the thread last summer, the wonderfully talented Mala50 had created the following graphic..... be sure to read all the listings BTW.... :D



http://home.earthlink.net/~rdapix2/misc%20pix/TVGShanahans.jpg
cool graphic.... first time that I have seen it cause I was not around last summer. Thanks for reposting it.

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 12:20 PM
But again reliving the fact that Sam and Jack went through all of this and have now come to these startling realizations about each other....nothing happens. TPTB have dropped the ball, they have peeked our emotions once again and we have fallen on our faces once again. [spoilers] Now I guess we are suppose to believe that the team went fishing, although according to TPTB nothing happened between Jack and Sam and what business as usual. When Season 9 starts Sam has left SG-1 basically the whole team has broken up and gone their separate ways. Sam has gone to Washington to Area 51 and to be with Cassie, and Jack is going to leave Stargate and be in charge of Homeworld Security in Washington I imagine; but according to that picture of Jack he is still contemplating his move. Now although we shippers would love to believe that he is doing this to be near Sam, I read somewhere that he would be a couple of levels up into Sams chain of command and that the regulations where still in force and therefore nothing could happen between them still, I believe that is how it went anyway. So could I just ask a stupid question, what in the heck was the reason for Threads? I mean it really didn't bring US any closer than we have been for the last 8 years, I kind of feel like we have gone into a circle at the beginning of Season 7 and we have now come out exactly where we went in. Think about it, most of us felt Sam questioning Jacks feelings for her kind of came out of the blue; so now that she realizes that he still has feelings for her, she is all better, but what was the advancement for US?
a point to Threads???? Nah! just another hook for them to reel in the shippers. As Rogue rightly pointed out-all we got was an "Always" and a fishing trip-that ain't nothing-no way-no how.

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 12:21 PM
I've got a new photobucket with some on my creations on display...

http://photobucket.com/albums/b298/suz_k/
wow.... cool pics SueKay ....thanks for sharing ...

ses110
June 24th, 2005, 12:21 PM
nickatell i think Jack would have made it his business to speak to Sam no matter what happened with Kerry.When Sam and Jack had the conversation in Affinity Sam never raised doubts about Pete only her Job and having Children.If Sam told Jack she was making a mistake in Marrying Pete during the Affinity conversation I think Jack would have stepped up and told Sam not to Marry Pete.This whole Sam and Pete thing never made sense from the start.Sam is suppose to be in Love with Jack all this time and after one tough mission Sam decides she needs to have a Boyfriend right now without first having an adult conversation with Jack to see if something could be worked out between them.In regards to Pete Sam takes 2 weeks to answer his proposal and this does not sent up red flags to Pete?

ses110
June 24th, 2005, 12:26 PM
We shippers waited 8 Years for an always and a Fishing trip with Daniel and Teal'C.Why not invite everyone from the SGC while there at it?How come Jack and Sam where not in Daniel or Teal'c Face when they were having there flings?If I was Jack and Sam finally said yes to going Fishing I would invite Daniel and Teal'c over my Dead Body.

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 12:30 PM
We shippers waited 8 Years for an always and a Fishing trip with Daniel and Teal'C.Why not invite everyone from the SGC while there at it?How come Jack and Sam where not in Daniel or Teal'c Face when they were having there flings?
IMHO they have no real respect for the fans-or from my perspective only-Sam and Jack Fans- and Sam fans. look at what they have done to Sam the last two years. Absolutely maddening what they have done to that character-Sam had come a long way from tht wet behind the ears newbie introduced in Children of Gods-did anyone else cringe when she told Jack that she read all of his mission reports and thought she had been preparing for this mission all her life-and all of sudden to that -i can't even begin to describe the rag doll she was in season 7 and 8.

ses110
June 24th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Please check my edited post regarding Fishing with Daniel and Teal'C.Thanks

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 12:38 PM
Please check my edited post regarding Fishing with Daniel and Teal'C.Thanks
SES110-it woulod also be over my dead body as well. it would be weeks before i would allow Daniel and Teal'c up to the cabin if things were settled

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 12:41 PM
I love this, majorsal. But why do I get the feeling I'm riding up-hill at the beginning of this post, reach the top (major ship), then I start coasting leisurely down the hill. :( Not counting Threads and M1&2, which left me at the top of the hill again, just not quite sure how I got there. :S Stupid Rollercoaster.
and we as loyal shippers ride the ride
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-048.gif

Rogue
June 24th, 2005, 12:41 PM
But again reliving the fact that Sam and Jack went through all of this and have now come to these startling realizations about each other....nothing happens. TPTB have dropped the ball, they have peeked our emotions once again and we have fallen on our faces once again. [spoilers] Now I guess we are suppose to believe that the team went fishing, although according to TPTB nothing happened between Jack and Sam and what business as usual. When Season 9 starts Sam has left SG-1 basically the whole team has broken up and gone their separate ways. Sam has gone to Washington to Area 51 and to be with Cassie, and Jack is going to leave Stargate and be in charge of Homeworld Security in Washington I imagine; but according to that picture of Jack he is still contemplating his move. Now although we shippers would love to believe that he is doing this to be near Sam, I read somewhere that he would be a couple of levels up into Sams chain of command and that the regulations where still in force and therefore nothing could happen between them still, I believe that is how it went anyway. So could I just ask a stupid question, what in the heck was the reason for Threads? I mean it really didn't bring US any closer than we have been for the last 8 years, I kind of feel like we have gone into a circle at the beginning of Season 7 and we have now come out exactly where we went in. Think about it, most of us felt Sam questioning Jacks feelings for her kind of came out of the blue; so now that she realizes that he still has feelings for her, she is all better, but what was the advancement for US?

Another question is why the heck did they mention retirement and a civilian running the SGC? What is that all about? Why did they bother if they weren't going to follow thru?

pittsburghgirl
June 24th, 2005, 12:46 PM
Another question is why the heck did they mention retirement and a civilian running the SGC? What is that all about? Why did they bother if they weren't going to follow thru?
because there was no intent. in order to have follow thru you have to have the intent to do so-they didn't have it-just like they have every other season-they ignore that which doesn't fit into their little niche. I mean seriously-anybody expect the shower scene out of Dallas???? I know I did. oh-wait-season (name your season here) was such a mess and we really didn't mean it-so let us forget it.

all of season 8-they didn't mean it-there was nothing-absolutely nothing-and as for Sam having concerns about Pete-that was a big goose egg-casn anybody pinpoint an episode-a scene in an episode where Sam had second thoughts about Pete-and not-the hallway scene in Threads doesn't count. she was already wearing a hole in the floor before we knew who was getting off the elevator.

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 12:47 PM
let's reminisce and squee! :D

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going down memory lane...


s1 -

children of the gods - jack and sam first laying eyes on one another and 'enjoying' it.

emancipation - jack admiring sam in the blue dress.

the broca divide - sam jumping jack in the locker room! THE first 'i'm really hot for you baby' vibe.

solitudes - sam and jack snuggling together to keep warm. *wink, wink*

there but for the grace of god - our first glimpse that sam and jack belong together.



s2 -

in the line of duty - jack caring about sam. a LOT.

secrets - flirty in front of dad.

out of mind - naked sam! jack notices!



s3 -

into the fire - naked sam! jack notices! hugging for heat. *wink, wink*

point of view - two carters. jack notices. another sign that sam and jack belong together.

jolinar's memories/the devil you know - jack worried about sam. deeply.

a hundred days - our official sign that sam's got it bad for jack.



s4 -

small victories - jack teases. sam throws her mega-watt smile in reply. *sigh*

divide and conquer - they confess to their feelings.

window of opportunity - jack cops a feel of sam's mouth.

beneath the surface - suppressed feeling that are so strong, they punch through their rewritten personalities.

the serpent's venom - jack likes sam's tummy.

2010 - look what happens when sam and jack don't get together. end of the world. nuff said.

the light - sam and jack's first argument. with touching. and looks.

entity - sam's taken over. jack reacts. sam almost dies. jack's going to follow.



s5 -

the fifth man - sam literally goes rambo in the gateroom to get back to jack.

desperate measures - jack has to find sam. at all costs.

proving ground - flirting! jello!

the warrior - jack shows off sam. i mean shows off sam's shooting skills.



s6 -

descent - sam and jack wet.

frozen - sam begs jack to take a symbiote. jack can't say no. to sam.

paradise lost - jack's missing. sam decomposes.

metamorphosis - sam's head on jack's shoulder. jack's ready to sacrifice himself to save her.



s7 -

evolution(s) - sam and jack share a 'moment' in her lab, before leaving separately into danger. after surviving, they share lunch. *wink, wink*

grace - sam coming to terms with her feelings for jack. or so she thinks. HOT KISS!!!

chimera - jack's hurting when sam goes for another guy.

death knell - jack comforts sam after she almost dies. snuggles!

heroes part one - sam gets uncomfortable when quizzed about her feelings for jack.

heroes part two - sam and jack have a MAJOR hug of comfort, relief, and grief.

lost city(s) - jack's going to die. sam tries to tell him her feelings. sam calls o'neill jack. sam grieves and touches her hand to his frozen face.



s8 -

new order(s) - sam almost dies to save jack. sam's very happy to see jack's alive and well. *sweet* promotion ceremony. *ceremony... wink, wink*

zero hour - jack and sam tease.

avatar - sam and jack against daniel and teal'c.

affinity - sam questions. jack grieves.

gemini - sam can't shoot jack.

citizen joe - jack stops joe from revealing jack's feelings for sam.

threads - THE moment of truth for sam and jack. sam tries to talk. he says always. sam dumps pete and kerry dumps jack. FISHING!

moebius(s) - another sign that sam and jack belong together. always. FISHING!


~~~


*sighs*


sally :D :D
sigh .... weeps that S9 we see nothing of Sam and Jack being together on a lovely romantic dinner in DC. .... I can dream can't I

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 01:03 PM
Wow...I read it completely differently than you did.

I don't think Jack told Kerry a blessed thing about Sam and I think what he DIDN'T say spoke volumes.

I think Kerry paid attention and felt the vibe that coursed back and forth between Sam and Jack. She saw how uncomfortable he was with Sam being there. She saw how uncomfortable Sam was seeing Kerry there with Jack...and not because she had "found out their secret."

Kerry being with the CIA already has keen instincts about people (although not much skill was required in detecting the elephant in the room) could read the tells both Jack and Sam were giving off...the way he sloshed his beer, the way she postured herself in front of them...

I think that any convo between the two of them after Sam left went something like this...

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Kerry: I hope her dad's okay.

Jack (lost in thought, watching Sam walk around the side of his house): Yeah me too.

Kerry (still picking up signals, pauses a moment before continuing): So...that was odd, wasn't it?

Jack (still staring off after Sam, doesn't fully hear what Kerry's saying): Hmmm?

Kerry: Colonel Carter? It was strange her showing up like that...

Jack (still moderately distracted, turns toward Kerry briefly before heading back to the grill): Uh yeah. I guess so.

Kerry (suspicious about how quiet he is): So...what exactly did she want again?

Jack (lost in his thoughts as he mindlessly toys with the black substances formerly known as steaks still burning on the grill): Oh, um...she just wanted to talk shop. You know how it is...

Kerry (tilts her head to the side): Really? She wanted to talk about work? Because I got the impression that...

Jack (interrupting): So uh you ready to eat? I'm thinkin' these steaks are nearing perfection here and I'd HATE to overdo them.

Kerry (eyeing the charred flesh as Jack plops them onto plates, replies sardonically): Yeah...that'd be a shame...

Jack smiles wryly as he backs into the house carrying their food in with him. They were supposed to have eaten OUTSIDE.

Kerry (wistfully, to herself by herself as she follows him inside): A real shame...

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I totally agree with your take Uber. Jack being a gentleman would never speak about his feeling to another woman. Jack is a very private and close about his emotions. He was like that even with his wife and even after the death of his son. I cannot believe he would spill the beans to Kerry at all. As for Kerry, being CIA and a woman, she picked up on all the signs that were so obviouse. The only one really in the dark about how they really feel for each other is Sam and Jack.
After years of working together. After years of always in near death situation. Their mutual feeling of professionalism and respect for one another is all muddled up with their "personal/romantic" feeling.

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Sally, This is terrific. :D Can you add the "fishing invitations" to the memories? And the sniff in the elevator? LOL!! ;)
Nell ....sniff, sniff definitely. Memories are allwe have till TPTB decide other wise.

jay
June 24th, 2005, 01:12 PM
i have a question about threads

(spoilers)



when pit came to the SGC to see jacob, was sam wearing her engagement ring? the only time i ever saw her wear it was when she was sittin out side of jacks house.

Gategirl12000
June 24th, 2005, 01:30 PM
Hey all! I can't stay today:( but I wanted to drop in and say "hi" at least once! It doesn't look like anyone's on right now anyway, so, it works out. I found out that season 8 is out on DVD in the US in October and saeson 1 of Atlantis is out in November (in case anyone's interested) I hope you all have a great nite! Make it shippery! I'll watch Devide and Conquer later for you all!! I'm with you in spirit! Love y'all!

Gategirl12000
June 24th, 2005, 01:36 PM
But again reliving the fact that Sam and Jack went through all of this and have now come to these startling realizations about each other....nothing happens. TPTB have dropped the ball, they have peeked our emotions once again and we have fallen on our faces once again. [spoilers] Now I guess we are suppose to believe that the team went fishing, although according to TPTB nothing happened between Jack and Sam and what business as usual. When Season 9 starts Sam has left SG-1 basically the whole team has broken up and gone their separate ways. Sam has gone to Washington to Area 51 and to be with Cassie, and Jack is going to leave Stargate and be in charge of Homeworld Security in Washington I imagine; but according to that picture of Jack he is still contemplating his move. Now although we shippers would love to believe that he is doing this to be near Sam, I read somewhere that he would be a couple of levels up into Sams chain of command and that the regulations where still in force and therefore nothing could happen between them still, I believe that is how it went anyway. So could I just ask a stupid question, what in the heck was the reason for Threads? I mean it really didn't bring US any closer than we have been for the last 8 years, I kind of feel like we have gone into a circle at the beginning of Season 7 and we have now come out exactly where we went in. Think about it, most of us felt Sam questioning Jacks feelings for her kind of came out of the blue; so now that she realizes that he still has feelings for her, she is all better, but what was the advancement for US?

TPTB are just great at being vague and contradictory...don't get me wrong, I love the show to peices, but what gives them the rite to treat us like this? Get our hopes up then shatter them again? I love being a shipper, but it seems like we always get the proverbial short end of tyhe stick! It sucks!

sg-1fanintn
June 24th, 2005, 01:40 PM
TPTB were right, I do have "issues" with a character that:

1) treats Sam badly
2) acts like a 5 year when denied information about her job
3) checks up on her
4) follows her to a stakeout
5) interfers with the stakeout and then not only was he not punished, they gave him information about a top secret operation.
6) brings a box of wine on a date

Did I leave anything out guys? What were TPTB thinking when they wrote this guy? Lets give Sam a loser boyfriend?

Must have been. I can't think of anyone less suited to her. They didn't even look right together! Everytime I saw her with :eek: , I felt like she was standing there with her kid brother (which was pretty disturbing at points considering they kissed and all). It was just wrong, wrong, wrong.

I remember what RDA said in one interview (with a sly grin on his face): "Let's put it this way.....he's no competition for O'Neill." Maybe TPTB did prolong :eek: 's stay because we hated him so much. Hmmmmm.......


you are right Rogue-that is exactly what they thought we had "issues" with-the boyfriend-they just didn't get that it was the type of boyfriend they gave to Sam-not that they gave Sam a boyfriend.

Actually, I DID have issues with her having any boyfriend who wasn't Jack.....although it might have been easier to adjust to if they had picked someone who was more appropriate for Sam.

To this day, I'm still not certain if they were delighted that we hated :eek: (and tortured us with him)......or if they were surprised that we hated :eek: (and still tortured us with him).

Either way, they chose to torture us with him!

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 01:44 PM
pic fr stargate1971
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/b8339730.jpg
Sam: Jack get up.
Jack: No you come down here with me.
Sam: Jack, I would love to but everyone is watching.
Jack:That is ok. These are the shippers, not TPTB. They want to see us together.

melpomene
June 24th, 2005, 01:55 PM
pic fr stargate1971
Sam: Jack get up.
Jack: No you come down here with me.
Sam: Jack, I would love to but everyone is watching.
Jack:That is ok. These are the shippers, not TPTB. They want to see us together.


Awww that's so cute GB!!!

sg-1fanintn
June 24th, 2005, 03:33 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/UKLD_043.jpg

Jack: To heck with the regs, to heck with TPTB.....it's been WAY too long!

Sam: Yes, sir.

And they lived happily ever after!

Catysg1
June 24th, 2005, 04:04 PM
pic fr stargate1971
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/b8339730.jpg
Sam: Jack get up.
Jack: No you come down here with me.
Sam: Jack, I would love to but everyone is watching.
Jack:That is ok. These are the shippers, not TPTB. They want to see us together.


Hehehehehe ;) :D :) Love it (((gatebee))) :)

Caty :)

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 04:10 PM
Hehehehehe ;) :D :) Love it (((gatebee))) :)

Caty :)
Mel and Caty, glad you like it. It is in a way sad because the way things look, we will end up with just our dreams and wishes.

ses110
June 24th, 2005, 04:21 PM
After Teal'c did not stop whinning after going to the Cabin the first time he would be the last person I invited.It would be a cold Day in Netu before I invited Teal'c.I would also have trouble inviting Daniel for sometimes being a high and mighty pain in the butt.Can anyone tell I'am not the biggest Daniel and Teal'c fans?Sorry if I offened any Daniel and Teal'c Fans.

Catysg1
June 24th, 2005, 04:38 PM
But again reliving the fact that Sam and Jack went through all of this and have now come to these startling realizations about each other....nothing happens. TPTB have dropped the ball, they have peeked our emotions once again and we have fallen on our faces once again. [spoilers] Now I guess we are suppose to believe that the team went fishing, although according to TPTB nothing happened between Jack and Sam and what business as usual. When Season 9 starts Sam has left SG-1 basically the whole team has broken up and gone their separate ways. Sam has gone to Washington to Area 51 and to be with Cassie, and Jack is going to leave Stargate and be in charge of Homeworld Security in Washington I imagine; but according to that picture of Jack he is still contemplating his move. Now although we shippers would love to believe that he is doing this to be near Sam, I read somewhere that he would be a couple of levels up into Sams chain of command and that the regulations where still in force and therefore nothing could happen between them still, I believe that is how it went anyway. So could I just ask a stupid question, what in the heck was the reason for Threads? I mean it really didn't bring US any closer than we have been for the last 8 years, I kind of feel like we have gone into a circle at the beginning of Season 7 and we have now come out exactly where we went in. Think about it, most of us felt Sam questioning Jacks feelings for her kind of came out of the blue; so now that she realizes that he still has feelings for her, she is all better, but what was the advancement for US?


Yes (((Nickatell ))), I agree . TPTB are silly and if Jack is still in Sam's chain of command in episode 1 of season 9, considering that some time has passed since the end of season 8, you really do wonder what was the point of Threads and what was the lighting kiss of Mobieus all about if it was not to tell the fans that Sam and Jack no matter what really love each other and if there were no regulations, they jump at each other real fast ..Well after Threads , you would have thought that Jack would have rushed to become a civilian so that he can have Sam just to himself and fast ....but apparently in beginning of season 9 he seems to look miserable too and Miserable Jack is boring , TPTB should use RDA in what small screen time he has , in a more relaxed way . I would love to see a smiling Jack in episode 1 and 3 of season 9 because he is with Sam , he is happy and so is she, even if the distance is a problem . ..But if Sam is in Washington in area 51 and Jack is in washington too ..then there is no distance problem...therefore I assume they agree not to see each other because it could be dangerous ( too much intimacy ) if they were both in the same room and the regs still in between them ..This ship is becoming a bit pathetic just because of the rules .

If TPTB could watch all of Farscape , they would realize that RST can be exiting ..and I would say even more exiting specially after 8 long years of sexual tension...In some shows UST works for a while but in some other shows UST should be resolved after season 4 or 5 . For Stargate, I reckon UST should have been resolved end of season 7 .

Season 8 was a bit late for RST but if TPTB thought that Threads was RST then fine ...just do not go back on what has been shown and treat the fans as idiots specially the shippers or they 'll go and find a better show to watch next time ...Same goes for the casual shippers out there ..many believe that Sam and Jack are really together as a couple now ...Just imaging the disappointement when they start watching season 9 :S I'd rather not be in their shoes :(

Anyway , we 'll know soon and hopefully by episode 3 we'll know what TPTB have in mind and if they are still carrying on torturing the shipperf fans , then I suppose lots of them may just give up specially if there is no physical evidence of Sam and Jack's love at all .Hearing a word from Sam about Jack once in a while is not what I call a good ship . .and I 'm pretty sure that TPTB will make Daniel visiting Jack a lot and report to Sam that Jack needs to speak to her and can she phones him asap .

All of this is becoming so stupid , I don't believe that I'm still here talking about what used to be a great ship and will now become the invisible ship of all time .



Caty :)

ses110
June 24th, 2005, 04:38 PM
nickatell I hate to say it but Threads had no point to it much like most of the Season 7 and 8 episodes and probably Season 9 as well.TPTB gave the Shippers nothing.Was anyone shocked Sam did not end up with Pete?Threads could have been a great episode if there was some Sam and Jack moments leading up to the Threads episode or TPTB did not try to jam 10 different stories into Threads.Threads was suppose to be the Sam and Jack Ship episode to end all Ship episodes and we got very little.I wish TPTB could explain what we got from Threads.

Catysg1
June 24th, 2005, 04:40 PM
Mel and Caty, glad you like it. It is in a way sad because the way things look, we will end up with just our dreams and wishes.

I know , I know Gatebee . I'll watch season 9 as an action show only . I'm not shipping anymore therefore I won't be disappointed .

Caty :)

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 04:54 PM
I know , I know Gatebee . I'll watch season 9 as an action show only . I'm not shipping anymore therefore I won't be disappointed .

Caty :)
Caty, I wish I had the same attitude as you. But I am still wishing deep inside for some shippy news.

Catysg1
June 24th, 2005, 04:55 PM
We shippers waited 8 Years for an always and a Fishing trip with Daniel and Teal'C.Why not invite everyone from the SGC while there at it?How come Jack and Sam where not in Daniel or Teal'c Face when they were having there flings?If I was Jack and Sam finally said yes to going Fishing I would invite Daniel and Teal'c over my Dead Body.


It's TPTB playing with the shippers ses and they will carrying on until the very end ..You'll see . We will only get the big honking kiss ( if that!!!) right in the last 2 minutes of the series finale ....and don't forget that Daniel and teal'c will still be present even for that special occasion :S ..Teal'c will probably be allowed to kiss Ishta in private and so will Daniel kiss the Vala girl in private too ...Gosh I just remembered Prometheus Unbound and the amount of sexual innuendos between Daniel and Vala ..Vala jumping at Daniel for the entire episode .....

TPTB would never allow an episode where Sam and Jack have fun with each other unless they are drugged or not themselves ..most of the episodes where our Sam and Jack are together are either sad or they are lying down because one of them is ill , injured or something like that . So obviously the physical contact is minimum. This is TPTB's policy of how to treat Sam and Jack and we haven't seen it all yet ..It will probably get worse before it gets better ...

...and the better will be right at the end and they won't probably be alone

Caty :)

Myrth
June 24th, 2005, 04:56 PM
Dear God that's funny.... brilliant work!

:D



From discussions on the thread last summer, the wonderfully talented Mala50 had created the following graphic..... be sure to read all the listings BTW.... :D






http://home.earthlink.net/~rdapix2/misc%20pix/TVGShanahans.jpg

Catysg1
June 24th, 2005, 04:59 PM
Caty, I wish I had the same attitude as you. But I am still wishing deep inside for some shippy news.


You are very good gatebee ..ship , ship and ship ;) ..I hope you'll get what you want but with RDA hardly there and Sam turning up later , it may be a bit difficult to get some ship .

Shippy news ...I don't think TPTB ever gives shippy news :( not anymore anyway , season 9 is a new show for them and they will probably concentrate on the new members but who knows ...Maybe I'm completely wrong and you'll see and hear plenty of ship in season 9 !!!! :D

Caty ;)

Catysg1
June 24th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Speaking of nepotism, here's a list.

Peter DeLuise - pops up in eps all the time( all be it usually in the background)
Michael DeLuise - (Brother) - Wormhole Extreme
David DeLuise - (Brother) - Pete Shanahan
Dom DeLuise - (Father) - Urgo

Now I'm not saying that I didn't like the episodes but are there anymore DeLuise's out there that are going to show up on Stargate? :confused:


Which episodes is Peter Deluise in then ??? I'd like to concentrate on spotting him next time I watch a stargate episode :)

Caty :)

RamonaThePest
June 24th, 2005, 05:02 PM
MAJORSAL -- I love the list of Sam and Jack moments. But am I the only one who thought that Jack's diatribe was more like a jealous snit fit in 2010? His being angry at her specifically for "shooting him down" and "too bad it's not turning out like you thought." And then asking her "if we set this right, what then?" (Sounds like a plea to me that next time around she wouldn't choose the politician) Of course the writers would ever let him say why he was in such a snit but isn't it obvious later on from the hostility between him and Sam's Senator?

Catysg1
June 24th, 2005, 05:09 PM
Someone asked a while back if Kerry hadn't broken off the relationship between her and Jack, if Jack would have and it made me think (pardon me not remembering your name but two thoughts in my head at one time is dangerous), if Kerry didn't break off the relationship with Jack would Jack have gone to be with Sam in the infirmary? Oh no I stumped myself, no kidding aside, I'm really not sure. I mean I know Sam was on Jacks mind not only because of her father but I think he was questioning what she ultimately came to his house for and just how far explaination wise she would have gone if she hadn't been interrupted, but still knowing how slow Jack is would that have been enough for him to go to Sam? Do you guys think that by Kerry breaking off the relationship with him and giving him the reason for it that she did made him realize just how important Sam is to him, that he can't have another relationship until he resolves his relationship with Sam? In fact when Kerry tells him he has issues, etc., if you watch Jack he kind of smiles a little like he was intrigued that she caught on as fast as she did. I think that the key wasn't Kerry breaking off the relationship with Jack, I think the key was Sam coming to his house and telling him that she was having second thoughts about the wedding and thinking she was making a big, huge mistake. It opened a window for him telling him that maybe she wasn't as happy with Pete as she was making him believe. Again IMO the whole reason Jack didn't go to Sam was because he thought she was truly happy and in love with Pete, but with this new realization that perhaps she wasn't, made him think and that is ultimately what made him go to Sam in the infirmary, the fact that Kerry broke off their relationship was in Jack's mind only a matter of time anyway.

Okay now that I have confused everyone, did that make any sense?


Bravo (((Nickatell)) Love your post :)

Caty :)

Rogue
June 24th, 2005, 05:13 PM
Which episodes is Peter Deluise in then ??? I'd like to concentrate on spotting him next time I watch a stargate episode :)

Caty :)

I know he is in Wormhole X-extreme and Descent.

dipsofjazz
June 24th, 2005, 05:17 PM
I know he is in Wormhole X-extreme and Descent.
He's in Threads. When Sam gets the phone call from Pete in the SGC, he's the airman sitting behind her.

Myrth
June 24th, 2005, 05:23 PM
Jack's problem in this ep was all about Sam far as I'm concerned. Plus I've read the script and there's a couple of lines that got dropped which I really wish hadn't been......

That conversation at the cabin was actually shippier in the script and it was far more obvious Jack was pissed at Sam for being married.
CARTER

Hi.



O'NEILL

Hi.



CARTER

So this is the place you kept threatening to take me.

(beat)

It's good to see you, sir.



O'Neill almost winces at that.



O'NEILL

I'm retired. Drop the sir.



CARTER

Right. Jack.



O'NEILL

So, is it Colonel Carter now, or Mrs. Ambassador?



CARTER

Sam.



O'NEILL

Okay. Now that we know what to call each other,

what the hell are you doing here?

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O'NEILL

Just out of curiosity, say we do this: What happens to

everything that's happened the past ten years?



CARTER

It won't happen.



O'NEILL

So we don't go to P4C 970; we don't meet the Aschen,

then.... What? Everything around us goes wiggle

wiggle and Carter's reset the clock back to happytime?

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JOE -- emerges from a door, carrying a briefcase. He goes straight

to O'Neill and hands it to him.



O'NEILL

Thank you.



JOE

If you can manage, give us some time to get away from

here --



O'NEILL

(checking his watch)

The message goes in six minutes.



JOE

Sam wanted me to wish you good luck.



O'NEILL

Give her a kiss from me.



MAJORSAL -- I love the list of Sam and Jack moments. But am I the only one who thought that Jack's diatribe was more like a jealous snit fit in 2010? His being angry at her specifically for "shooting him down" and "too bad it's not turning out like you thought." And then asking her "if we set this right, what then?" (Sounds like a plea to me that next time around she wouldn't choose the politician) Of course the writers would ever let him say why he was in such a snit but isn't it obvious later on from the hostility between him and Sam's Senator?

Rogue
June 24th, 2005, 05:23 PM
He's in Threads. When Sam gets the phone call from Pete in the SGC, he's the airman sitting behind her.

Wow, that great to know. I totally missed that.

I thought he was in Nightwalkers, but he is not in the credits. Does anyone remember? I thought he was a guy who came out of the cafe.

RamonaThePest
June 24th, 2005, 05:34 PM
I'm happy they gave Sam someone who couldn't even compare with Jack!

Grace O'Neill
June 24th, 2005, 05:44 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/UKLD_043.jpg

Jack: To heck with the regs, to heck with TPTB.....it's been WAY too long!

Sam: Yes, sir.

And they lived happily ever after!

Ahhh.... my heart is melting :o :o :o

They look so happy and relaxed in each other's arms...

WHY CAN'T TPTB JUST STOP TRIPPING AND LET OUR JACK AND SAM BE HAPPY???


WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?
:eek: :mad: :confused:

*bangs her head on the table*

Ok, all better now. I think shippers need some shock therapy to bring us out of our depression :( . Janet? The good doctor...Where art thou? :S

RamonaThePest
June 24th, 2005, 05:44 PM
We shippers waited 8 Years for an always and a Fishing trip with Daniel and Teal'C.Why not invite everyone from the SGC while there at it?How come Jack and Sam where not in Daniel or Teal'c Face when they were having there flings?If I was Jack and Sam finally said yes to going Fishing I would invite Daniel and Teal'c over my Dead Body.
Yeah, and with them all being so close, you think that Daniel or Teal'c would never have talked with Jack about the Jack/Sam thing? True Teal'c tried to talk to Jack during "Desperate Measures" (I think was the title - Sam got kidnapped). And while it's not in Jack's personality to open up too much, they're close enough that he discussed Charlie with Daniel in Children of the Gods -- and hey, let us the audience see this discussion. CAUSE I WANNA KNOW WHY? (Besides the regs, of course)

RamonaThePest
June 24th, 2005, 05:49 PM
IMHO they have no real respect for the fans-or from my perspective only-Sam and Jack Fans- and Sam fans. look at what they have done to Sam the last two years. Absolutely maddening what they have done to that character-Sam had come a long way from tht wet behind the ears newbie introduced in Children of Gods-did anyone else cringe when she told Jack that she read all of his mission reports and thought she had been preparing for this mission all her life-and all of sudden to that -i can't even begin to describe the rag doll she was in season 7 and 8.
I agree about Season 8, but what was "rag doll" about 7? she had the space race (fun) and she survived the Death Knell with the super soldiers Maybe I just don't rremember. Can you refresh for me?

RamonaThePest
June 24th, 2005, 05:54 PM
because there was no intent. in order to have follow thru you have to have the intent to do so-they didn't have it-just like they have every other season-they ignore that which doesn't fit into their little niche. I mean seriously-anybody expect the shower scene out of Dallas???? I know I did. oh-wait-season (name your season here) was such a mess and we really didn't mean it-so let us forget it.

all of season 8-they didn't mean it-there was nothing-absolutely nothing-and as for Sam having concerns about Pete-that was a big goose egg-casn anybody pinpoint an episode-a scene in an episode where Sam had second thoughts about Pete-and not-the hallway scene in Threads doesn't count. she was already wearing a hole in the floor before we knew who was getting off the elevator.

Yeah it was pretty bleak except for the little Jack comment at the beginning of Gemini. "Two? If only." Or something like that. But we shippers have always had to rely on the comfort of tidbits. In the words of Blanche Devereau

nell
June 24th, 2005, 06:12 PM
Yes (((Nickatell ))), I agree . TPTB are silly and if Jack is still in
If TPTB could watch all of Farscape , they would realize that RST can be exiting ..and I would say even more exiting specially after 8 long years of sexual tension...In some shows UST works for a while but in some other shows UST should be resolved after season 4 or 5 . For Stargate, I reckon UST should have been resolved end of season 7 .
Caty :)

Caty, I absolutely agree with you that Farscape is an example of the excitement building up in UST followed early in the series with RST. And the RST was hot. Granted that initially Aeryn and John's copy were acting out the love affair but in the end Aeryn and the real John were reunited and developed their relationship. All in the space of 4, count 'em, years!!! Need we say more??!!

nell
June 24th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Jack's problem in this ep was all about Sam far as I'm concerned. Plus I've read the script and there's a couple of lines that got dropped which I really wish hadn't been......

That conversation at the cabin was actually shippier in the script and it was far more obvious Jack was pissed at Sam for being married.
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JOE -- emerges from a door, carrying a briefcase. He goes straight
to O'Neill and hands it to him.

O'NEILL
Thank you.

JOE
If you can manage, give us some time to get away from
here --

O'NEILL
(checking his watch)
The message goes in six minutes.

JOE Sam wanted me to wish you good luck.

O'NEILL
Give her a kiss from me.


In the transcript Jack says, "Give her a kiss from me." ????? Incredible!! A GW transcript?

sg-1fanintn
June 24th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Which episodes is Peter Deluise in then ??? I'd like to concentrate on spotting him next time I watch a stargate episode :)

Caty :)

He's in Moebius 1. When AU Hammond, Sam and Daniel go into the gateroom to look at the stargate being put in place, PDL walks up in a white lab coat and a blue (I think it was blue) hard hat and hands Hammond a clipboard.

ses110
June 24th, 2005, 06:56 PM
You said it Caty.Daniel and Vala and Teal'c and whoever can have there Fun while certain people flip out if Sam and Jack even look at each other or stand to close to each other.The Shippers get hammered for being Shippers when it was not our call to push the Sam and Jack Ship from the very start.I no longer feel wanted by TPTB so why should I support Season 9.TPTB feel we have issue fine then I'll take my issues elsewhere.There are plenty of Shows that would love to have Shipper Fans.

sacme
June 24th, 2005, 07:24 PM
let's reminisce and squee! :D

snip
s3 -

into the fire - naked sam! jack notices! hugging for heat. *wink, wink*

point of view - two carters. jack notices. another sign that sam and jack belong together.

jolinar's memories/the devil you know - jack worried about sam. deeply.

a hundred days - our official sign that sam's got it bad for jack.

snip

*sighs*


sally :D :D

awesome list, sally. *sigh*

I just want to add:
point of view - two carters. jack kisses one of them. another sign that sam and jack belong together.


ship sistah ;)

Myrth
June 24th, 2005, 07:31 PM
No, far as I know it's the shooting script or a draft of the script from 2010.. not a transcript.. which means for some reason the line didn't get in... dammit...

Also that pic of Sam & Jack cuddling... is actually Rick & Amanda cuddling... god love em. A ship is always 5,000 times better when there's real affection there from the actors IMHO... :)

Sadly Mulder & Scully was cheapened by DD & GA's antics... Harm & Mac... well DJE and CB have a lot ot answer for there and don't get me started on Voyager....

So I tip my hat to Rick & Amanda and Sam & Jack... though the road is rough sometimes.. the love is never in question.

:)



In the transcript Jack says, "Give her a kiss from me." ????? Incredible!! A GW transcript?

sg-1fanintn
June 24th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Call me crazy, but I decided to do some reading on Air Force fraternization policies tonight......and if Jack goes to Homeworld Security.....I don't think they apply to Sam & Jack any more. The Regs are in italics.

Here's the definition for Fraternization:

Fraternization, as defined by the Manual for Courts-martial, is a personal relationship between an officer and an enlisted member that violates the customary bounds of acceptable behavior in the Air Force and prejudices good order and discipline, discredits the armed services, or operates to the personal disgrace or dishonor of the officer involved. The custom recognizes that officers will not form personal relationships with enlisted members on terms of military equality, whether on or off-duty.

This specifies relationships between officers and enlisted members. That NEVER applied to Sam and Jack.

Dating and Close Friendships. Dating, courtship, and close friendships between men and women are subject to the same policy considerations as are other relationships. Like any personal relationship, they become matters of official concern when they adversely affect morale, discipline, unit cohesion, respect for authority, or mission accomplishment. Members must recognize that these relationships can adversely affect morale and discipline, even when the members are not in the same chain of command or unit. The formation of such relationships between superiors and subordinates within the same chain of command or supervision is prohibited because such relationships invariably raise the perception of favoritism or misuse of position and erode morale, discipline and unit cohesion.

Relationships between officers in the same chain of command are prohibited, because it says "superiors and subordinates." Relationships between officers of different ranks are not, per se, prohibited. When Jack was Sam's CO, it applied. Does it now, that he will be in D.C. at another agency? Maybe he could indirectly have an impact on her career if she stays in the military, but he sure would be far-removed.

Just asking. I'm sure there are people out there who know more about military regs than I do (almost anyone would), but that's how it reads to me. I'm just wondering if someone with military experience would like to weigh in on this.

However, I still think the President would grant them an exception. After all, how many times to you have to save the planet to get a favor?

sacme
June 24th, 2005, 07:35 PM
Dannyluver...the shipper family knows of no such episode called Affinity...we christened evil hour...'assinity' instead!!!!!!!

Hmm...methinks it's time for shipper family history 101!

But I gotta go and work...majorsal...token anyone who's been here longer than me care to do the honours???

I remember "Insanity," "Inanity" and (I forget) "evil-to-me" (something like that) were other names thrown around.

ship sistah

majorsal
June 24th, 2005, 07:53 PM
The "issue" they thought we had was that Sam had a bf. That wasn't the issue. It was what type of bf they gave her.

that was the issue for me. :p

but i 'also' had an issue with the guy being so disrespectful of sam.


sally :)

sacme
June 24th, 2005, 07:56 PM
and we as loyal shippers ride the ride
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-048.gif

up and down, up and down... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/sacme/rollercoaster.gif (oldie but goodie gif)

enough already! http://bestsmileys.com/puking/2.gif

ship sistah

majorsal
June 24th, 2005, 08:01 PM
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well i did kinda if an isue with sam having a b/f. i don't really want to see her with any one but jack. im sure thats considered mean and rude or whatever but i truly think her and jack belong to gether. i just hate seeing her with somebody besides jack.

me too. *nods vigorously*

this leads me to a question i'm sure we've contemplated before... did pete know about jack (as sam's love interest)? my opinion, no. when sam broke up with pete (LOVE saying that!), pete clearly didn't know it was because of another man. i think he suspicioned reasons (he said he thought it had more to do than with jacob's death), but i really think sam kept jack in the background in her relay with pete.


sally :D

majorsal
June 24th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Someone asked a while back if Kerry hadn't broken off the relationship between her and Jack, if Jack would have and it made me think (pardon me not remembering your name but two thoughts in my head at one time is dangerous), if Kerry didn't break off the relationship with Jack would Jack have gone to be with Sam in the infirmary? Oh no I stumped myself, no kidding aside, I'm really not sure. I mean I know Sam was on Jacks mind not only because of her father but I think he was questioning what she ultimately came to his house for and just how far explaination wise she would have gone if she hadn't been interrupted, but still knowing how slow Jack is would that have been enough for him to go to Sam? Do you guys think that by Kerry breaking off the relationship with him and giving him the reason for it that she did made him realize just how important Sam is to him, that he can't have another relationship until he resolves his relationship with Sam? In fact when Kerry tells him he has issues, etc., if you watch Jack he kind of smiles a little like he was intrigued that she caught on as fast as she did. I think that the key wasn't Kerry breaking off the relationship with Jack, I think the key was Sam coming to his house and telling him that she was having second thoughts about the wedding and thinking she was making a big, huge mistake. It opened a window for him telling him that maybe she wasn't as happy with Pete as she was making him believe. Again IMO the whole reason Jack didn't go to Sam was because he thought she was truly happy and in love with Pete, but with this new realization that perhaps she wasn't, made him think and that is ultimately what made him go to Sam in the infirmary, the fact that Kerry broke off their relationship was in Jack's mind only a matter of time anyway.

Okay now that I have confused everyone, did that make any sense?

it made perfect sense and i agree. ;) :D


sally :D

SamCarterONeill
June 24th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Hello Shippers!


Call me crazy, but I decided to do some reading on Air Force fraternization policies tonight......and if Jack goes to Homeworld Security.....I don't think they apply to Sam & Jack any more. The Regs are in italics.

Here's the definition for Fraternization:

Fraternization, as defined by the Manual for Courts-martial, is a personal relationship between an officer and an enlisted member that violates the customary bounds of acceptable behavior in the Air Force and prejudices good order and discipline, discredits the armed services, or operates to the personal disgrace or dishonor of the officer involved. The custom recognizes that officers will not form personal relationships with enlisted members on terms of military equality, whether on or off-duty.

This specifies relationships between officers and enlisted members. That NEVER applied to Sam and Jack.

Dating and Close Friendships. Dating, courtship, and close friendships between men and women are subject to the same policy considerations as are other relationships. Like any personal relationship, they become matters of official concern when they adversely affect morale, discipline, unit cohesion, respect for authority, or mission accomplishment. Members must recognize that these relationships can adversely affect morale and discipline, even when the members are not in the same chain of command or unit. The formation of such relationships between superiors and subordinates within the same chain of command or supervision is prohibited because such relationships invariably raise the perception of favoritism or misuse of position and erode morale, discipline and unit cohesion.

Relationships between officers in the same chain of command are prohibited, because it says "superiors and subordinates." Relationships between officers of different ranks are not, per se, prohibited. When Jack was Sam's CO, it applied. Does it now, that he will be in D.C. at another agency? Maybe he could indirectly have an impact on her career if she stays in the military, but he sure would be far-removed.

Just asking. I'm sure there are people out there who know more about military regs than I do (almost anyone would), but that's how it reads to me. I'm just wondering if someone with military experience would like to weigh in on this.

However, I still think the President would grant them an exception. After all, how many times to you have to save the planet to get a favor?

IMHO, I think that's a big chunk of why Jack goes to DC. After all, he hates 'flying a desk' but he can't be away from the war, you know? ...Plus all that 'gate travel across galaxies's gotta be lots of frequent flyer miles :P

jay
June 24th, 2005, 08:15 PM
another episode pete deluise(sp?) was in was the season 2 epsiode with the reetu. he was behind the 50cal. pointing it at the boy when he first walked out of the stargate. you will see him in most of the episodes he directs. the same goes for Martin Wood(i think thats his name) you usually see him with siler too.

sacme
June 24th, 2005, 08:15 PM
I think we all need a hug.



((((Shippers))))

ship sistah

SamCarterONeill
June 24th, 2005, 08:15 PM
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me too. *nods vigorously*

this leads me to a question i'm sure we've contemplated before... did pete know about jack (as sam's love interest)? my opinion, no. when sam broke up with pete (LOVE saying that!), pete clearly didn't know it was because of another man. i think he suspicioned reasons (he said he thought it had more to do than with jacob's death), but i really think sam kept jack in the background in her relay with pete.


sally :D

i think he knew it was another man though because threads
before he walks away [in a huff, i might add], he says "i wish i could believe that"

but it's a tough 1, i admit

SamCarterONeill
June 24th, 2005, 08:17 PM
I think we all need a hug.



((((Shippers))))

ship sistah

:D :o :D :o :rolleyes: I AGREE!! lolz... *sigh* the hard life of the s/j shipper!

((S/J SHIPPERS))

majorsal
June 24th, 2005, 08:20 PM
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Another question is why the heck did they mention retirement and a civilian running the SGC? What is that all about? Why did they bother if they weren't going to follow thru?

who says they aren't? i mean really, it was there for a reason. so the big stuff might happen in season 10 perhaps?... i've said it before and i'll say it again. ship ain't over. it might be super subtle in season 9, but it ain't gone by a long shot! :D


sally :D

nell
June 24th, 2005, 08:28 PM
Threads
SHANAHAN: I knew from the beginning. Guess I just thought when you said yes that ... (He sighs and trails off, then looks at Sam.) You were worth the risk. Don't say I deserve better. Can't get much better than you.

CARTER: That's not true.

SHANAHAN: I wish I could believe this had something to do with your father -- you needed some time to just work things out. I guess all I can say is: I hope you get what you want.
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I thought Pete meant he knew there was another man from the beginning. I don't know if he was guessing it iwas O'Neill. Pete, however, was willing to take the risk of winning her over although he couldn't believe he had a snow ball's chance in hell. Instead he hoped against hope that she was just stressed out over the death of her father and needed space thus breaking off the engagement. But, he realizes that it isn't and he doesn't stand that snow ball's chance and resigns himself to losing her; he doesn't even put up a fight. That's what she was expecting although I don't think Sam would have changed her mind. His not fighting for her love just reinforced that he didn't fully love her anymore than she didn't love him.

SamCarterONeill
June 24th, 2005, 08:31 PM
Threads
SHANAHAN: I knew from the beginning. Guess I just thought when you said yes that ... (He sighs and trails off, then looks at Sam.) You were worth the risk. Don't say I deserve better. Can't get much better than you.

CARTER: That's not true.

SHANAHAN: I wish I could believe this had something to do with your father -- you needed some time to just work things out. I guess all I can say is: I hope you get what you want.
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I thought Pete meant he knew there was another man from the beginning. I don't know if he was guessing it iwas O'Neill. Pete, however, was willing to take the risk of winning her over although he couldn't believe he had a snow ball's chance in hell. Instead he hoped against hope that she was just stressed out over the death of her father and needed space thus breaking off the engagement. But, he realizes that it isn't and he doesn't stand that snow ball's chance and resigns himself to losing her; he doesn't even put up a fight. That's what she was expecting although I don't think Sam would have changed her mind. His not fighting for her love just reinforced that he didn't fully love her anymore than she didn't love him.




*vehement nodding* YEP YEP YEP! What nell said! :p

nell
June 24th, 2005, 08:31 PM
Sorry, I clicked the submit button instead of the preview button; my post was incomplete. I meant to have an intro to the spoiler but I guess you can figure it out. :rolleyes:

majorsal
June 24th, 2005, 08:34 PM
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all of season 8-they didn't mean it-there was nothing-absolutely nothing-and as for Sam having concerns about Pete-that was a big goose egg-casn anybody pinpoint an episode-a scene in an episode where Sam had second thoughts about Pete-and not-the hallway scene in Threads doesn't count. she was already wearing a hole in the floor before we knew who was getting off the elevator.

eps/scenes where i saw sam's doubts about pete:

chimera - the dancing scene. then everthing after he went super spy on her. (except for the end scene)

new order(s) - her so-so reaction when talking about pete with teal'c. not believing for one single moment that she'd end up with pete, living on a farm in montana.

affinity - the entire bloody episode was one giant sam-doubts-pete experience. and her less than enthusiastic acceptance at the end... i think she'd show more excitement if she'd just lowered her car insurance. :p

threads - again, loaded with sam doubts concerning pete.


i know this is just personal opinion, but i feel pretty good about what we've gotten. the only thing i'd change is getting some 'romance' scenes between them. we might not get those romance scenes in season 9, but i do believe we'll get 'something' that sam and jack are in 'something'. :p

don't lose hope, shippers! :D


sally :D

sacme
June 24th, 2005, 08:38 PM
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ship sistah

majorsal
June 24th, 2005, 08:47 PM
I'm happy they gave Sam someone who couldn't even compare with Jack!

that is definitely another way of looking at it. and i like it! :D


sally :D

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 09:06 PM
Threads
SHANAHAN: I knew from the beginning. Guess I just thought when you said yes that ... (He sighs and trails off, then looks at Sam.) You were worth the risk. Don't say I deserve better. Can't get much better than you.

CARTER: That's not true.

SHANAHAN: I wish I could believe this had something to do with your father -- you needed some time to just work things out. I guess all I can say is: I hope you get what you want.
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I thought Pete meant he knew there was another man from the beginning. I don't know if he was guessing it iwas O'Neill. Pete, however, was willing to take the risk of winning her over although he couldn't believe he had a snow ball's chance in hell. Instead he hoped against hope that she was just stressed out over the death of her father and needed space thus breaking off the engagement. But, he realizes that it isn't and he doesn't stand that snow ball's chance and resigns himself to losing her; he doesn't even put up a fight. That's what she was expecting although I don't think Sam would have changed her mind. His not fighting for her love just reinforced that he didn't fully love her anymore than she didn't love him.




So right Nell, that's how I saw it as well. He finaly realised that Sam didn't love him the way he wanted her to. I think he did know it was Jack, I mean who couldn't see the chemistry between the two of them. Thankfully after all the torture tptb put us through by making us watch them, they didn't drag it out any further by having :eek: stick around to fight to keep Sam. That would of been just the worse type of icing on an already decaying cake.

I would of had to scratch my eyes out if I had to watch any more of them together when all I wanted was for Jack to step up to the plate and let Sam know how he really felt. I know that after Charlie died he locked his heart up but I think it started to thaw in "Children of the Gods" when he met Sam in the breifing room prior to the return visit to Abydos when she stood up to both him and Kawalski.

Hopefully tptb will grow some brain cells and give us all the relationship that these two people deserve. How many times can they watch each other die or dissappear before they finally admit what is in their hearts..


*bangs head on desk at the woefull state of the relationship*

nell
June 24th, 2005, 09:10 PM
spoilers for s7 and s8 (pete discussed)


don't lose hope, shippers! :D


sally :D

I agree with you. I am not losing my hope! TPTB may be incredibly slow and dense about RST but I have to admit begrudgingly that, before Season 8 This time last year I was all worked up with little to no shippy hopes. Yeah, and indeed they gave us dribs and drabs but when I saw Threads followed by Moebius 1&2, I was very surprised at how much ship there was. I admit, it was subtle and vague. Like Jack once asked the Tollans applies to TPTB, " Do you practice being vague?" Well, TPTB have honed vague to a fine art. But, if that's all they gave me, I, romantic fool that I am, gobbled it up.

I believe that Sam and Jack are at a, *ehem,* higher plane of affection by the time they hit the dock of Jack's lake!!! I really believe that there will be something in Season 9 for me to gobble up and hope for something bigger and better at some future date.

Now if I'm wrong, be kind cause I'll be crashing and burning anyway!!! :S :eek: Stupid TPTB!!! :rolleyes:

SamCarterONeill
June 24th, 2005, 09:17 PM
*bangs head on desk at the woefull state of the relationship*

Aaaw, lol, don't worry, divcon! I think we all (a) feel exactly the same way and (b) have at least a little hope :o

...gosh.. i feel like leia or obi-wan! MY ONLY HOPE!!! lolz

Nite, all! Shippy dreams :D

sg-1fanintn
June 24th, 2005, 09:23 PM
I agree with you. I am not losing my hope! TPTB may be incredibly slow and dense about RST but I have to admit begrudgingly that, before Season 8 This time last year I was all worked up with little to no shippy hopes. Yeah, and indeed they gave us dribs and drabs but when I saw Threads followed by Moebius 1&2, I was very surprised at how much ship there was. I admit, it was subtle and vague. Like Jack once asked the Tollans applies to TPTB, " Do you practice being vague?" Well, TPTB have honed vague to a fine art. But, if that's all they gave me, I, romantic fool that I am, gobbled it up.

I believe that Sam and Jack are at a, *ehem,* higher plane of affection by the time they hit the dock of Jack's lake!!! I really believe that there will be something in Season 9 for me to gobble up and hope for something bigger and better at some future date.

Now if I'm wrong, be kind cause I'll be crashing and burning anyway!!! :S :eek: Stupid TPTB!!! :rolleyes:

No reason to be kind (except that it's our way). You're right!!!!! I believe it too!

nell
June 24th, 2005, 09:29 PM
I just broke my "no more Joe thread" rule. He's posting now and he replied to majorsal. As usual, VAGUE. :rolleyes:

Sum1
June 24th, 2005, 09:30 PM
Hi, I'm new to the forums as a poster though I've lurked for a while (also on this thread) and just wanted to drop in to say hello. Oh, another Peter DeLuise cameo was in "Descent". He's the navy lieutenant that comes into the ship after it crashes with Jonas and Teal'c and says "Yes sir!" when Jonas tells him to leave.

sg-1fanintn
June 24th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Welcome, Sum1!

divcon
June 24th, 2005, 09:35 PM
hi there Sum1, have fun everyone here is so kind to us newbies. Only been here for about a week. Jump in and post as much or as little as you want. I've found that whatever opinion you post someone will answer you and they won't berate you if your opinion is different to theirs'. :) :) :p :p

Once again all I can say is HAVE FUN with your postings.

SamCarterONeill
June 24th, 2005, 09:39 PM
WELCOME, Sum1!!!

Sum1
June 24th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Thank you everybody. I see you're discussing Pete Shanahan, so I guess I'll add my two cents in to the conversation. Before I do, though, I should probably mention that the only thing I'd seen David DeLuise on before SG-1 was Saved by the Bell: The College Years, where he played a slob at ap oker game. So as you can tell the image in my mind of him wasn't so high to begin with.

That said, I didn't particularly like his character, for some of the reasons mentioned before. I think Pete Shanahan as a character failed for a simple reason - TPTB were trying to tie up all kinds of stories together in the episodes he was in, and did it poorly.

I don't see him as a stalker, because I realize that the background check in "Chimera" was really only an attempt to tie the "A" story of Sam and Pete to the "B" story of Daniel and Osiris. I agree that it was a foolish way to do it and very sloppy writing, but I see what they were trying to do, which IMHO was not to create some obsessive boyfriend for Sam but someone normal (or at least relatively so), but at the same time keep him around and tie him to the other story.

The same thing happened to Pete in "Affinity". They tried to intertwine the A" story of Teal'c and his neighbour, with the "B" story of Sam and Pete, and with the "C" story of the Trust, which was once again poorly put together and appeared so clumsy.

What do you guys think? How wrong am I?

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Hi, I'm new to the forums as a poster though I've lurked for a while (also on this thread) and just wanted to drop in to say hello. Oh, another Peter DeLuise cameo was in "Descent". He's the navy lieutenant that comes into the ship after it crashes with Jonas and Teal'c and says "Yes sir!" when Jonas tells him to leave.
WELCOME SUMI 1 pull a chair and ship away

SamCarterONeill
June 24th, 2005, 09:47 PM
What do you guys think? How wrong am I?

nope, i think you have a very valid point! I agree that Pete's not so much of a stalker and i also agree that the writers were just trying to give sam a normal...life, i guess. :rolleyes:

nell
June 24th, 2005, 10:01 PM
WELCOME SUM1!!

Yep, sloppy writing to squeeze in :eek: ! Season 8 I don't think Pete was a stalker but poor interpersonal boundaries. Never could I believe Hammond would agree for a casual non-family member to be given TOP SECRET info especially after :eek: interfered with the stakeout. Oh, and why stop here? ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE to :eek: participating in SGC raid of the NID site. So, yes, SUM1, thanks for sharing your opinions and I agree with you. ;)

Sum1
June 24th, 2005, 10:02 PM
nope, i think you have a very valid point! I agree that Pete's not so much of a stalker and i also agree that the writers were just trying to give sam a normal...life, i guess. :rolleyes:

Hehehe, it's not the only time they messed up. Sam's character really took a beating (a metaphorical one anyway) in "Gemini" for the sake of making the replicators more powerful, which is a shame because they could have written the episode in a much better way (at least, I think it's better) which would have advanced the plot the way they wanted it it, tied it into "Endgame" and still keep Sam from looking incompotent.

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 10:58 PM
JMallozzi is answering questions right now and he answered one about Sam and Jack .... weeps . :( ... weeps ... :( Those who knows how to link a text please go over and put it here.

Sum1
June 24th, 2005, 11:06 PM
The Question and the Answer (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4322126&postcount=1498)

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 11:08 PM
The Question and the Answer (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4322126&postcount=1498)
thank you for posting that Sum1.... I cry .... weeps .... bawls ....

nell
June 24th, 2005, 11:09 PM
JMallozzi is answering questions right now and he answered one about Sam and Jack .... weeps . :( ... weeps ... :( Those who knows how to link a text please go over and put it here.

gatebee, Like you I've been following Joe's postings this a.m. BUT, I am steadfast in my opinion that there is some hope!!! A little bit of hope! Like he said, "Rick isn't on the show anymore." But, let's see what they do with that challenge. What upsets me though is he described a certain fan segment who complain and whine and cannot be satisfied. Guess who he's speaking of?

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 11:11 PM
gatebee, Like you I've been following Joe's postings this a.m. BUT, I am steadfast in my opinion that there is some hope!!! A little bit of hope! Like he said, "Rick isn't on the show anymore." But, let's see what they do with that challenge. What upsets me though is he described a certain fan segment who complain and whine and cannot be satisfied. Guess who he's speaking of?
you know life is too short .... I don't really worry about those who complain .... I just want my Sam and Jack ship with a big hunking real kiss

nell
June 24th, 2005, 11:13 PM
you know life is too short .... I don't really worry about those who complain .... I just want my Sam and Jack ship with a big hunking real kiss

Me too. Now I want to go to bed but Joe's still posting and I keep peeking. :rolleyes:

Sum1
June 24th, 2005, 11:14 PM
They could very easily resolve the ship without having to really pay much money at all. All they need to do is change where it says "Carter" in the script to "O'Neill" and presto, they've resolved it. Granted, it wouldn't not the best way, but it would be something.

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 11:18 PM
Me too. Now I want to go to bed but Joe's still posting and I keep peeking. :rolleyes:
me too I keep jumping back and forth like crazy

gatebee
June 24th, 2005, 11:19 PM
They could very easily resolve the ship without having to really pay much money at all. All they need to do is change where it says "Carter" in the script to "O'Neill" and presto, they've resolved it. Granted, it wouldn't not the best way, but it would be something.
they could fix it like that but that is not what I would really like it handled

Sum1
June 24th, 2005, 11:22 PM
Me too. Now I want to go to bed but Joe's still posting and I keep peeking. :rolleyes:

My questions are next on the list so hopefully he will get to them tonight. I'm hoping it's taking a while because he's thinking up some nice, detailed answers.