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sueKay
April 29th, 2005, 07:28 AM
I was trawling through the archive, and I refound this

OT - http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4534/TerylRonnyPaulAstroMishyandIsmaller.jpg I'm the one in the stripy top, Mishy Mo's in Black and Astronomical chick is the one at the back :D

Catysg1
April 29th, 2005, 09:50 AM
New video " Somewhere" Within temptation :)

Warning : Extremely beautiful song but Sad :)here are the lyrics :

Somewhere :)

Lost in the darkness, hoping for a sign
Instead there is only silence,
Can't you hear my screams...?
Never stop hoping,
Need to know where you are
But one thing is for sure,
You're always in my heart.

I'll find you somewhere
I'll keep on trying until my dying day
I just need to know whatever has happened,
The Truth will free my soul.

Lost in the darkness, try to find your way home
I want to embrace you and never let you go
Almost hope you're in heaven so no one can hurt your soul...
Living in agony 'cause I just do not know
Where you are

I'll find you somewhere
I'll keep on trying until my dying day
I just need to know whatever has happened,
The Truth will free my soul.

Wherever you are, I won't stop searching.
Whatever it takes, I need to know.

I'll find you somewhere
I'll keep on trying until my dying day
I just need to know whatever has happened,
The Truth will free my soul.


Caty:)

sg-1fanintn
April 29th, 2005, 11:39 AM
Just showing off my new sig photo (which conforms to new GW guidelines) and reminding all of you that this is the night to skip the SGA rerun and switch to CBS for the series finale of Jag. Let's rejoice in the happiness that's apparently on the way for this long-suffering military couple...and show TPTB how fans like to be treated!

Daniel's_twin
April 29th, 2005, 11:58 AM
I'll stick with SGA. I've never really been a big JAG fan. :cool:

sg-1fanintn
April 29th, 2005, 12:00 PM
Well, I haven't watched it in years myself (I'm a Sci-Fi Friday girl, through and through), although I always liked the characters. But since their ship is supposedly getting resolved tonight, I thought I'd watch on general principles.

girlgater
April 29th, 2005, 12:45 PM
Well, I haven't watched it in years myself (I'm a Sci-Fi Friday girl, through and through), although I always liked the characters. But since their ship is supposedly getting resolved tonight, I thought I'd watch on general principles.

I think I may watch it too. I haven't seen but maybe 2-3 episodes, but I did like the characters and the fact that they were kept apart is so similiar to our Jack & Sam..

Daniel's_twin
April 29th, 2005, 01:03 PM
Well, if you get the USA channel, you can watch it off there. :cool:

Oma-1
April 29th, 2005, 01:13 PM
Just showing off my new sig photo (which conforms to new GW guidelines)

I knew about the height / width, but not about the 50k - I've spent hours trying to fit a S/J and Shep/Weir into 50K but it just won't work :( So Sam and Jack had to win the vote :D and what do you know, my S/J sig already fitted :rolleyes: :p

gatebee
April 29th, 2005, 01:13 PM
I was trawling through the archive, and I refound this

OT - http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4534/TerylRonnyPaulAstroMishyandIsmaller.jpg I'm the one in the stripy top, Mishy Mo's in Black and Astronomical chick is the one at the back :D
wow that is such a cool pic...you guys are so lucky : a) to have been there to star; and ...2) you have RL friends who are also SG1 fans....very cool indeed

sg-1fanintn
April 29th, 2005, 01:14 PM
You can also catch SGA at 12Eastern/11Central on Sci-Fi if you just can't miss it for a week. I have a date with Letterman at that time myself.

Alaskhah
April 29th, 2005, 01:37 PM
Just showing off my new sig photo (which conforms to new GW guidelines) and reminding all of you that this is the night to skip the SGA rerun and switch to CBS for the series finale of Jag. Let's rejoice in the happiness that's apparently on the way for this long-suffering military couple...and show TPTB how fans like to be treated!
Yeah, I'll be watching the second showing of SGA tonight. As for showing TPTB how fans like to be treated...they waited 10(?) years and until the series finale to get those two together!! Let's not send *that* message!!! :P

sg-1fanintn
April 29th, 2005, 01:39 PM
Eight years.....nine years.....10 years.....they're all too long to wait!

The 10 years part I don't like.....but at least they're apparently going to go full throttle with it tonight and have a happy ending! That I wholeheartedly support!

Lord Zedd
April 29th, 2005, 02:07 PM
Thank you all for your support. I want to tell you that he had lived through the night, he kept on fighting, he wasn't dead. Today we drove back to the hospital
we were in there for like 15 minutes and than his last breath, now he is really gone :(:(:(:(:(:(
In a way I am glad that he kept on fighting and that I was able to see him with his last breath. I know he didn't suffer anymore and he fought well like a true warrior, like the Jaffa ;) but I am still sad :( and otherwhise it is scary to see someone die right in front of you. knowing that you won't see him again,won't be able to talk to him again,... that really sucks

waterfall
April 29th, 2005, 02:16 PM
*waterfall peeks head in long enough to say......
Yes, I'm still alive and still a Sam/Jack shipper!!!!!

RL has given me a serious bruising lately and not much time to devote to my....lets just call it my obsession to Stargate and my favorite couple on it.

Just wanted to peek in and say a big hello to my shipper family!!!!! :D

waterfall

waterfall
April 29th, 2005, 02:25 PM
What the hey, for old times sake!!!
Enjoy!!!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/waterfall27/shippy.gif




waterfall

Catysg1
April 29th, 2005, 02:30 PM
Well, I haven't watched it in years myself (I'm a Sci-Fi Friday girl, through and through), although I always liked the characters. But since their ship is supposedly getting resolved tonight, I thought I'd watch on general principles.


Just started to watch JAG last night first time for me ..it's on very late but I liked it ..I watched an episode called "Head to toe " here in the UK where Mac has to wear a veil in Uruguay I think ..I also watched the one before that where that Iranian guy who kidnapped her last season ( haven't seen that one)..makes a come back and forces her to go with him again ..They have a big fight ...and she was a real mess by the end of the episode ....it's also the episode where Ham goes deaf for a while ....Now can somebody tell me which season I'm watching because I don't have a clue !!! Got to be after the 9/11 because they are mentionning it like it was a while back ..and how much behind are we in the UK regarding JAG !!!!
Thank you if somebody can help ....and to stay on topic


(((Nickatell)))The second scenario you proposed for Sam and Jack get together is exactly how TPTB should go about :) ..I 've always thought about a get together like that one for Sam and Jack ..and that their first kiss should be after a big battle or something like that and after having looked for one another amongst the dust,sand ect ..you name it ..and wherever ...and Jack finds Daniel and Teal'c first ...and Sam turns up at the end ..and they walk towards another ....ect....just like you said :) ..but I don't think TPTB sees it that way ..I don't know why !!but they seem to prefer the kind of soap opera get together .
Me I prefer a get together related to the mythlogy of the show like your Number 2 scenario :)

Caty:)

Catysg1
April 29th, 2005, 02:50 PM
Yeah, I'll be watching the second showing of SGA tonight. As for showing TPTB how fans like to be treated...they waited 10(?) years and until the series finale to get those two together!! Let's not send *that* message!!! :P


Better than never :)

I think all great shows wait that long anyway .They always put them ( the couple) together right in the last episode ..and usually ( not sure about JAG tonight) they do a 2 parter finale ..so that we see a few shippy scenes along the line :) They did that with X-files ..a feature film episode ...At least those cult shows have a good resolution and not like the ones which are still good but are cancelled after season 2 :( like Dark Angel ..where we are still wondering ..and we had not much for a conclusion :)

Caty:)

sg-1fanintn
April 29th, 2005, 02:56 PM
I was always surprised that UPN gave up on Dark Angel after only two seasons. I liked it too.

Catysg1
April 29th, 2005, 03:23 PM
I was always surprised that UPN gave up on Dark Angel after only two seasons. I liked it too.


Dark Angel was great :) Such a great mythology ..I will probably make a vid soon to add it to my favourite shows on my website ...:)

but I'm taking the easy way out right now ..I have all the Stargate clips inside my PC so it's easy to make a video ....I went through the laborious time of Capturing for Sam and Jack a while back ....and for a new show I have to do the same ..so it's a bit off putting let's say ...the capturing is the tidious part of video making :rolleyes: but it is necessary to do it well for a great selection of everything ..and you can just pick and match afterwards :)



Caty:)

LOL4JACK
April 29th, 2005, 05:28 PM
Wow, I've been trying to catch up and reading for the past 2 hours...., I haven't been around this week and missed you all....

(((((((((((( Shippers )))))))))))))))))))))

So many discussion, sadness, frustration and anger regarding S9, I'm scared true and at this points I don't trust TPTB, but I can always hope and have faith, I hope they don't let us down, they have to keep true to the characters and they have to keep true to what they have built in the past 8 seasons and specially S8, with Threads, M1 & M2, otherwise they will definitly loose me as a SG1-S9 fan... sorry, but can't deny I'm still a fan of S1-S8!!!!

LOL4JACK
April 29th, 2005, 05:35 PM
Cathy, I can never find the words to describe your videos, this one is so heartfelt, the way you match the words with the images and the way you edit your images to bring more shippiness, it made me feel so much for them and want them to be together more than ever....

SueKay, I have lot's and lot's of inspiration after watching the vid :D, you know I'm in, I can help as a writer (frustrated one, since english is not my main language) and editor.

Carolina

Buc252
April 29th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Well...there's been another computer hold up...

1. They found 60 viruses
2. In one program alone, there was 248 pieces of Spyware...so I'm going to have words with the guy who supposedly got rid of it for me.
3. My CD burner was completely broken with rust :eek: so I need to talk to the guy I got the computer off of.
4. A quarter of my hard disk has apparently been unusable since I got my computer, and about half of the program files are corrupted. The guy who's repairing the computer is going to try and fix as many of the files as he can.

I think I may get my compute back in the late evening, but I'm not too sure.

With the virtual season...

ROLLCALL

ADD YOUR NAME

suekay
mishy mo
LOL4JACK
Oma-1
Myrth
PittburghGirl

...and I'm sure I'm missing people...

ADD YOUR NAME TO THE LIST PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!


Me, too - sign me up for a Jonas returns story. <G> With positively shippy S/J moments, of course. ;)

Myrth
April 29th, 2005, 06:48 PM
I was just wondering... about hand pr0n.. as you do.. did anyone else catch it in Beneath The Surface?

Just curious... and damn I wish they'd left the kiss in that.. would have preferred it in there over Window Of Opportunity.. for the hot factor.. :D

marimba26
April 29th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Just showing off my new sig photo (which conforms to new GW guidelines) and reminding all of you that this is the night to skip the SGA rerun and switch to CBS for the series finale of Jag. Let's rejoice in the happiness that's apparently on the way for this long-suffering military couple...and show TPTB how fans like to be treated!

Okay, I have a silly question. I can understand the boycott of SG repeats(doing that now) but I can't understand using JAG as an example when Donald Bellasario specifically said there would be no ship there AND has said how much he hates ship. And remember, this is the same guy who ended Quantum Leap (need I say more?). So why use JAG as an example for this PTB?

So I think instead, I'll watch Joan of Arcadia to try and prevent it's possible cancellation (it's on the bubble with network, folks, so now's the time to watch if you want to see more).

LOL4JACK
April 29th, 2005, 07:21 PM
Okay, I have a silly question. I can understand the boycott of SG repeats(doing that now) but I can't understand using JAG as an example when Donald Bellasario specifically said there would be no ship there AND has said how much he hates ship. And remember, this is the same guy who ended Quantum Leap (need I say more?). So why use JAG as an example for this PTB?

So I think instead, I'll watch Joan of Arcadia to try and prevent it's possible cancellation (it's on the bubble with network, folks, so now's the time to watch if you want to see more).
I have to say, I've never watched Jag, in my life, watched the finale today and if we get in SG-1 half of what they did in Jag, WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, PTB, please...... bring our Sam and Jack together...

lonely_star
April 29th, 2005, 07:31 PM
well I have missed 45minustes of the Jag episode and I got one thing to say..I don't like their kiss !! :D I so prefer J&S !!! but anyway at least it's finally done !! what happened in the rest of the episode?? PM for that cause I guess a lot of the family doesn't care at all !! :D

I wish S&J had an adult discussion as H&M did and if they could have the same ending !! wow !! :D :D

caty once again loved your vid !! that's awesome and you'r right very sad...when will we have the honour to watch Roch Voisine's one ?? ;) if you want the song let me know :rolleyes: it could be such a nice vid

I'm gonna try to make a new sig with the new rules, are you guys all using photoshop ? cause I don't have it and I'd like to be able to do something anyway ! :)

I'll watch SG1 tonite even if I know it won't be as good as I'd like... :(

did you guys start working on the virtual season9 ? cause I'd be glad to read the beginning or do anything like giving my opinion and my ideas...I just don't have a good enough english to join you in this tough but funny task ;)

(((waterfal))) thanks so much for the Grace present !! ;) I didn't have time to catch up all the posts so sorry for those I forget to thank ! :(

kiwigater
April 29th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Okay, I have a silly question. I can understand the boycott of SG repeats(doing that now) but I can't understand using JAG as an example when Donald Bellasario specifically said there would be no ship there AND has said how much he hates ship. And remember, this is the same guy who ended Quantum Leap (need I say more?). So why use JAG as an example for this PTB?

So I think instead, I'll watch Joan of Arcadia to try and prevent it's possible cancellation (it's on the bubble with network, folks, so now's the time to watch if you want to see more).
ACK! :eek: I'm STILL in shock and turmoil over the Quantum Leap finale *cursing and mumbling* :( That said, I actually did watch the JAG finale, and it ended VERY SHIPPILY! Heck, I'm not sure there could have been ANY more ship - they slept together and are getting married.... BUT, they did take them out of each others command before letting them do it...
I'm not sure I'd want this sort of ending on SG-1. It's a very different situation too - in my view Jack is very close to retirement, whereas Harm is not.
I have no expectations regarding ship for s9 - I can't see how they can when the actors won't be appearing in any of the same scenes :S Which is not to say I'm not looking forward (with reservations) to the new season - I'll give them a chance, and if I don't like what I see I'll exercise my OFF button :p

Cassie
April 29th, 2005, 07:35 PM
I have to say, I've never watched Jag, in my life, watched the finale today and if we get in SG-1 half of what they did in Jag, WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, PTB, please...... bring our Sam and Jack together...

My thoughts exactly LOL4Jack!!! I think TPTB need to take some pointers on how to have a Shippy resolution :D If that happens at the end of s9 I'll be one happy camper ;)

Rogue
April 29th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Finally caught up! It only took me 3 days and lots of error messages :p

There's been some fantastic discussion here over the last few days and I'm really sorry to have missed out. I started to give out jello to everybody and your fantastic posts, but I ran out. (Sorry to everyone I missed :( )

sueKay - the Virtual S9 sounds like a fantastic idea - I've PM'd you :)

I completely agree with Lynne - we need to see the moment they get together - how it happens, what they feel - and the rest of the SGC's reaction.

I'd love to see another Jaffa ep with Ishtar and Teal'c chasing down the missing goa'uld's and how the Jaffa Nation is coming along. There's gotta be teething problems and old rivalries cropping up.

I'd love to see Kinsey captured, maybe the Tok'ra could remove the symbiote and Kinsey could be sent mad :p He sooooo needs to get his comeuppance :D Jack would *love* that

More Ba'al is an absolute must!!! Rogue - back me up here ;) (he's still MINE though :p ) It's about time he got caught and the smirk wiped off his face - although not too quickly cos I'm rather attached to it :p )

The return of the Aschen sounds good - as long as Joe doesn't get to hit on Sam again - maybe he has escaped their evil clutches ans brings with him the woman who helped him escape :D *whistles...don't know where that idea came from...more whistles*

More characters ...

I'd like to see Thor again, Urgo maybe? He was great :p .....

Yep, Ba'al is a must. Maybe he can kidnap Sam and Jack has to rescue her. Lets dress him up in black leather. And no Oma-1 he is mine.

majorsal
April 29th, 2005, 11:23 PM
Just showing off my new sig photo (which conforms to new GW guidelines) and reminding all of you that this is the night to skip the SGA rerun and switch to CBS for the series finale of Jag. Let's rejoice in the happiness that's apparently on the way for this long-suffering military couple...and show TPTB how fans like to be treated!


spoilers for Jag's show finale (do NOT read if you don't want to be spoiled for it)

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i watched the finale, right after Gemini (which i *finally* got! :D). the end.... it made me cry. not because of harm and mac, but because... while i was watching the HAPPY ending, this sudden melancholy feeling rushed over me that started to make me cry......... that's what i've always wanted for sam and jack. i know that Jag played a MUCH worse case of stringing the shippers along, but the fact that harm and mac are engaged, and they had a great kissing scene together, and they were putting each other first before their blasted careers (finally)... it just hit me of how long i've waited for that for sam and jack. but... sam and jack are finally on the same page, so we still have some good stuff to look forward to. --- right?


sally :)

majorsal
April 29th, 2005, 11:47 PM
Yeah, I'll be watching the second showing of SGA tonight. As for showing TPTB how fans like to be treated...they waited 10(?) years and until the series finale to get those two together!! Let's not send *that* message!!! :P

AND... i might get grumpy about how i just want the ptb to get sam and jack together already, but the guy that makes Jag (Bellisario) made his shippers suffers to heights i'd never seen before. boyfriends and girlfriends galore. and Bellisario literally hated his shippers (and i'm not making that up). i quit watching Jag in sg-1's 4th season (this is when i got a computer and had to decide whether to watch an ep of Jag, or play with sg1 on my computer... sg1 won) because i got tired of the games being played by the characters and the ppl writing the show. so i quit, and it was very easy. i checked in with it a few times since them, but i'd only end up shaking my head at the ship antics. stargate might make me frustrated, but it's not even CLOSE to what Jag does/did. and we thought pete was bad for sam...

i really feel like doing this....

((((( stargate sg1 ptb ))))))


sally :)

majorsal
April 29th, 2005, 11:49 PM
I want Sam and Jack to get married in season 9!!! :D

(that felt good to say. er, write)


Sally :D

majorsal
April 29th, 2005, 11:52 PM
I was just wondering... about hand pr0n.. as you do.. did anyone else catch it in Beneath The Surface?

Just curious... and damn I wish they'd left the kiss in that.. would have preferred it in there over Window Of Opportunity.. for the hot factor.. :D


what's hand pron?


sally :)

melpomene
April 30th, 2005, 12:53 AM
what's hand pron?


sally :)

I beleive it refers to gratuitious hand close ups.

Catysg1
April 30th, 2005, 03:18 AM
Cathy, I can never find the words to describe your videos, this one is so heartfelt, the way you match the words with the images and the way you edit your images to bring more shippiness, it made me feel so much for them and want them to be together more than ever....

SueKay, I have lot's and lot's of inspiration after watching the vid :D, you know I'm in, I can help as a writer (frustrated one, since english is not my main language) and editor.

Carolina


See they don't have to kiss at all for it to be shippy ...you just have to make a story and match the mood to it :)
But me too I have watched it again this morning to feel the big hole in Jack's life when Sam was trapped in her nightmare , trying to get out of it .:)


I also have heard about the JAG final ..well at least they didn't disapoint their shippers at the end and ...most of all they stopped the show when the lead actor wanted to leave which means they left in a high note ...

....and this is what all shows should do ..I think it's completely wrong to have some new characters replacing the old one so late in a series ...season 8 should have been the end for Stargate SG1 and would have probably left us with good spirits and a show which would have been a cult in the sci-fi history ..

....Instead they are destroying it's true foundations by changing the direction .

I'm not against it if it was only a new show ..like Stargate Atlantis but not calling it still Stargate Sg1 because it is not ....even if Jack is there for 2 episodes ..I sincerely hope he 'll be there for more because it's gonna be a bit of a disaster if he doesn't come back at all for the finale ....and I hope season 9 is the finale of the show ..too bad it was not a year before though with the original cast :(


Caty:)

Catysg1
April 30th, 2005, 03:24 AM
well I have missed 45minustes of the Jag episode and I got one thing to say..I don't like their kiss !! :D I so prefer J&S !!! but anyway at least it's finally done !! what happened in the rest of the episode?? PM for that cause I guess a lot of the family doesn't care at all !! :D

I wish S&J had an adult discussion as H&M did and if they could have the same ending !! wow !! :D :D

caty once again loved your vid !! that's awesome and you'r right very sad...when will we have the honour to watch Roch Voisine's one ?? ;) if you want the song let me know :rolleyes: it could be such a nice vid

I'm gonna try to make a new sig with the new rules, are you guys all using photoshop ? cause I don't have it and I'd like to be able to do something anyway ! :)

I'll watch SG1 tonite even if I know it won't be as good as I'd like... :(

did you guys start working on the virtual season9 ? cause I'd be glad to read the beginning or do anything like giving my opinion and my ideas...I just don't have a good enough english to join you in this tough but funny task ;)

(((waterfal))) thanks so much for the Grace present !! ;) I didn't have time to catch up all the posts so sorry for those I forget to thank ! :(


Thank you lonely_Star :) Love within temptation , they do moving songs :) and perfect for Sam and Jack :)


So how did they kiss in JAG then ?

Put it in spoiler tag for me ..I'd like to know ..and how much did you see?? of the love scene?)

Caty:)

Oma-1
April 30th, 2005, 03:46 AM
Yep, Ba'al is a must. Maybe he can kidnap Sam and Jack has to rescue her. Lets dress him up in black leather. And no Oma-1 he is mine.
Black leather? :D :D :D

Maybe Jack & SG-1 could capture him, send him to the Tok'ra, free his host, and we get to drool over Cliff Simon the good guy :p

Of course, that would have to be over story arc of at least 5 eps so we can get plenty of Evil Ba'al first ;)

Oma-1
April 30th, 2005, 03:49 AM
spoilers for Jag's show finale (do NOT read if you don't want to be spoiled for it)

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i watched the finale, right after Gemini (which i *finally* got! :D). the end.... it made me cry. not because of harm and mac, but because... while i was watching the HAPPY ending, this sudden melancholy feeling rushed over me that started to make me cry......... that's what i've always wanted for sam and jack. i know that Jag played a MUCH worse case of stringing the shippers along, but the fact that harm and mac are engaged, and they had a great kissing scene together, and they were putting each other first before their blasted careers (finally)... it just hit me of how long i've waited for that for sam and jack. but... sam and jack are finally on the same page, so we still have some good stuff to look forward to. --- right?


sally :)
((((((((((Big Warm Cuddly Hugs *very similar to the Heroes one just I won't be kissing your neck, hope you don't mind*:D ))))))))))

I think we have good stuff to look forward to as well. Hopefully we won't have to wait until the very last ep though :p

Oma-1
April 30th, 2005, 04:30 AM
((((((Caty)))))))


Your vids are getting more amazing! I've just caught up with Somewhere and Memories, they're ..... I dunno - I'm speechless :eek: (highlyunusual for me :p) Why does my jello dispenser empty so quickly :rolleyes:

Maybe for our Virtual S9 you could do a vid for each ep?????

girlgater
April 30th, 2005, 05:34 AM
Good morning everybody!

I admit I am late in watching Season 7 episodes, but this morning I watched Grace and was hit by something hard.

While Sam is talking with Jacob, he makes the following statement in reference to her being alone:

JACOB: No, always. For as long as she was alive, your mother showed me a world beyond just ambition and career. She gave my life meaning and balance and it was my honour to love her for the short time she was with me. And if I were young again and I met her for the first time even knowing her fate, I would do it all again. That is love. Sam, I know you've denied yourself the experience because you think it must inevitably end in pain and loneliness. It's time to let go of the things that prevent you from finding happiness. You deserve to love someone and be loved in return. (I think he means Jack--not Pete even at this point).

Then when talking with Jack, he makes the following statement:

O'NEILL: Jacob was right. You deserve more. I will always be there for you, no matter what. Believe me. (This is Sam's subconscious giving up on Jack and allowing herself to think about someone else--big mistake).

Then, in Threads, Sam and Jack are in the observation room overlooking Jacob:

CARTER: Thank you, sir.
O’NEILL: For what?
CARTER: For being here for me.
O’NEILL: Always.

Don't you think that TPTB drew all this in together for a purpose? Is it just a coincidence that they chose to the use the 'always' phrase from scene to scene? and over two seasons? It's got to mean that Sam and Jack will be together--always! I have faith again...I believe that Season 9 will show them together! :) :)

girlgater
April 30th, 2005, 05:39 AM
I found another similarity between Grace & Threads:

In Grace, after Sam returns to the SGC and she is talking with Jack in the infirmary, he prepares to leave and she says:

Sam: Thank you, sir.
Jack: For what?
Sam: Nothing.

It's the same as in Threads except there she says for 'being here for me.' I have wayyy too much time on my hands this morning. :D

Oma-1
April 30th, 2005, 07:19 AM
Don't you think that TPTB drew all this in together for a purpose? Is it just a coincidence that they chose to the use the 'always' phrase from scene to scene? and over two seasons? It's got to mean that Sam and Jack will be together--always! I have faith again...I believe that Season 9 will show them together!
I noticed the always line too. Since Threads I seem to notice every time always is said - no matter what the context :p and I completely agree with your conclusion.

I just read a great fanfic that's based on Moebius2 and is Jack's POV from the various timelines. It fills in the gaps that M2 left. Anyway, I liked it so I thought I'd share. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2322888/1/

LOL4JACK
April 30th, 2005, 07:33 AM
I noticed the always line too. Since Threads I seem to notice every time always is said - no matter what the context :p and I completely agree with your conclusion.

I just read a great fanfic that's based on Moebius2 and is Jack's POV from the various timelines. It fills in the gaps that M2 left. Anyway, I liked it so I thought I'd share. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2322888/1/
Same here, since I watched threads, everytime that I see any other SG-1 ep and they us the word "Always" it has a new meaning for me.

BTW, in Gemini the following scene
O'NEILL: Alright -- you've got our attention. Who are you?

SECOND CARTER: My name is Samantha Carter.

O'NEILL: Alright -- we've got a little conflict with that statement. We've already got one here.

SECOND CARTER: There are two of us.

O'NEILL: If only(!)

(Sam looks at him. He clears his throat quietly.)

What do you think of the if only? I'm trying to figure it out... :o

PS: Oma, read the fic, thanks! it's fantastic.... :p

Lunar
April 30th, 2005, 07:39 AM
Okay, I've been away from the shipper thread for far too long!!
Where has the picture of Moebius Jack and Sam's hands on that report come from?! How shippy is that!? Is it PI or PII??
:)

Oma-1
April 30th, 2005, 07:44 AM
Its P1 In the Briefing Room when they are discussing the mission back to Giza I didn't notice it either until the shipper family started posting the pics after it aired :p

ses110
April 30th, 2005, 08:26 AM
Sally it was was hard watching the Jag Finale.I could not stop thinking about the Sam and Jack Ship.I'am trying to hold out hope we'll get something like that for Sam and Jack.I keep thinking that we have not seen the last of Sam and Jack.I find it very hard to image we will not get some sort of Sam and Jack resolution.

sierragulf_gurl_23
April 30th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Same here, since I watched threads, everytime that I see any other SG-1 ep and they us the word "Always" it has a new meaning for me.

BTW, in Gemini the following scene
O'NEILL: Alright -- you've got our attention. Who are you?

SECOND CARTER: My name is Samantha Carter.

O'NEILL: Alright -- we've got a little conflict with that statement. We've already got one here.

SECOND CARTER: There are two of us.

O'NEILL: If only(!)

(Sam looks at him. He clears his throat quietly.)

What do you think of the if only? I'm trying to figure it out... :o

PS: Oma, read the fic, thanks! it's fantastic.... :p

I saw Gemini last night I was so happy in a shippy way!


I have to say, I've never watched Jag, in my life, watched the finale today and if we get in SG-1 half of what they did in Jag, WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, PTB, please...... bring our Sam and Jack together...
I have never seen JAG but from what everyone is saying,I wouldn't mind and ending like that on SG1 and Jack seems to be about to retire so that ending wouldn't be far off
remember to alwasy have shippy dreams and wishes...

Alaskhah
April 30th, 2005, 11:12 AM
Yeah, and Sam & Jack wouldn't even have to flip a coin!! I really liked that they had everybody there for the final scene. I loved that they could share their special night with the people they were closest to! I think one of the things that would really bother me about Sam & Jack getting together would be if, when they did, they had to hide it or sneak around. I like the idea of them being able to celebrate with their friends, which I guess is why I haven't been too incredibly disappointed by being strung along forever & a day...well, that & I've gotten used to it... :rolleyes:

Rogue
April 30th, 2005, 11:59 AM
Okay, I've been away from the shipper thread for far too long!!
Where has the picture of Moebius Jack and Sam's hands on that report come from?! How shippy is that!? Is it PI or PII??
:)

Yeah it is unfortunate it happened so fast. I really had to slow down my DVR frame by frame to catch it.

I have included the pic just incase someone hasn't seen it yet. Warning season 8 spoiler and very shippy scene.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mkmoulder/Stargate/image2299.jpg

Sir Ruff
April 30th, 2005, 12:12 PM
HEEEELLLO SHIPFAM! :)

I'm back :D (like someone would remember me :D) been out of the loop a while.. but don't think I'll be catching up.. you crazy people with your hundreds of pages full of shipism :p What did I miss?

Sorry Oma for not replying I haven't been here for a long time :(

Hi, Scaary and Jamie didn't expect to see me here, did you ? :p :D

ok.. carry on :)

florence
April 30th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Hi everyone.
We were having a discussion in the french thread about SJ and I think it would be nice to move it in here.
I've thought a bit about Sam and Jack these last few days and here's a question for all of you :)

IMO there was physical attraction between Sam and JAck since the beginning (since their first meeting actually). Then, they got to know each other as team members. But because of regs, there was UST growing and growing...
Now, 8 years after, they can't even think about moving on because of that. Because they'll always wonder what it could have been if they had been able to be together.

So here's my question : if they had been able to "act" on their physical attraction since the beginning (let's forget that regs exist for a while ;) ), do you think they would have been good together ?
Or would they have soon realized that they don't have much in common, then they would have broken up and moved on to something (or someone) else ?

Alaskhah
April 30th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Good question, Florence... I don't think so, actually. :S Before you shoot me, though, hear me out!! :D I think that being romantically inaccessible to one another helped them develop their friendship. Having "no chance" at a "real" relationship provided a safe place for them to be themselves & get to actually know one another. Do I think they would've gotten together? Definitely. Do I think it would've lasted? Probably not. I think having to focus on something other than their attraction for one another, while frustrating for us (and the whole 9 years wasn't really necessary), definitely helps their relationship in the long run.

(Oh, and by the way, Florence, I have been meaning to head to the French thread & check out the Fellowship of the Bowl, which page does it start on...?)

Cassie
April 30th, 2005, 12:56 PM
I think if they had tried to get together at the very beg. it wouldn't have worked. Jack still had his past 'Cold Lazarus' Plus I think he said before he doesn't trust people flat out trust is part of a relationship. Just my opinion

http://dianekateri.freeservers.com/cotg/cotg37.jpg

http://dianekateri.freeservers.com/cotg/cotg38.jpg

there was something there though ;)

Rogue
April 30th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Hi everyone.
We were having a discussion in the french thread about SJ and I think it would be nice to move it in here.
I've thought a bit about Sam and Jack these last few days and here's a question for all of you :)

IMO there was physical attraction between Sam and JAck since the beginning (since their first meeting actually). Then, they got to know each other as team members. But because of regs, there was UST growing and growing...
Now, 8 years after, they can't even think about moving on because of that. Because they'll always wonder what it could have been if they had been able to be together.

So here's my question : if they had been able to "act" on their physical attraction since the beginning (let's forget that regs exist for a while ;) ), do you think they would have been good together ?
Or would they have soon realized that they don't have much in common, then they would have broken up and moved on to something (or someone) else ?

I don't think it would work either. Jack still had too many issues he was dealing with and Sam had a chip on her shoulder. Plus I think over the years they have grown to be friends. They trust each other and enjoy spending time together. I think now they have a strong relationship based on trust and mutual respect for each other.

LOL4JACK
April 30th, 2005, 01:14 PM
My 2 cents, there was definetly a physical attraction in the begining, but I don't think either of them would have done something about it... well actually I can see Jack flirting with Sam and she not really interested.

With time it became friendship and love and we see it in S4, S5, S6, far above from anything physical and the love they have for each other comes from the knowledge of who they are, what they've been togehter, knowing the other more than you know yourself and willing to give your life for the other, at this point it would have been perfect for them to be together and stay together.

But I also think that so many years living with the regs, and holding, it would have been awkward for them to start a relationship, S7 and part of S8, so much angst... it would have been difficult.

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The always moment was perfect and now Jack heading to Washington and with the possibility of starting a relationship "long distance" or not in the same workspace I think it is to their advantage and the perfect chance again, unless TPTB screwitupagain....

Il y a une chaine an frances? ou? Gateworld? :D... I hope my french doesn't suck :)

ohshocking
April 30th, 2005, 01:46 PM
So here's my question : if they had been able to "act" on their physical attraction since the beginning (let's forget that regs exist for a while ;) ), do you think they would have been good together ?
Or would they have soon realized that they don't have much in common, then they would have broken up and moved on to something (or someone) else ?
Interesting question! :)

I don't think they would have gotten together at the very beginning. Jack was still in a bad place, following Charlie's death, plus even though they were attracted to each other, they still had to work together. And, straight away, just hooking up? Would have made working together difficult when it didn't work out. I think Sam, at least, is too sensible to jump straight into a relationship with somone she works with. Plus she was still kinda dealing with what happened between her and Jonas (fiance Jonas, not season 6 Jonas :)). However, once the friendship had developed, were there no regs, I think they may have gotten together say, end of season 3? She'd have accepted the fishing invite with no hesitations and they'd have gotten together at the cabin ;). Ok, so I kinda twisted what you actually asked there. So, if they had gotten together season 1, I have to say I don't think it'd have worked. However, they'd have still had to work together after that, so that might have given a chance for a friendship to develop properly between them (once the awkwardness was gotten over), and deeper feelings would have developed, and they'd have gotten together and stayed together after a couple of years :).

florence
April 30th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Well, I'm happy to find people who think the same way as me. When I posted my question, I was wondering if people woud send me rotten tomatoes or flamed penguins :p

I too think that they wouldn't have lasted long together if they had been able to get together right from the beginning. They didn't have much in common at that time. I can't picture Sam spending a lot of time in Jack's cabin in the woods, without some theory to work on or some alien artifact to analyze ;) And I can't see Jack listening to Sam speaking her technobabble for endless hours.
My friend Lys (who's a non shipper) reminded me that they had one thing in common though : astronomy. Jack spends hours looking at stars and Sam spends hours studying stars. But I still think that at one time Jack would tell Sam to shut up and just look at the stars (like in Hundred Days) :p

But now, after 8 years learning to know each other, they have more things that bring them closer : everything they had to face, their friendship and trust in each other. And they probably want to settle themselves, have a quieter life, at least for Jack. Not too quiet though ! Cause we all know what Sam thinks about a quiet country life, taking care of horses for instance ;)

There's one more thing to consider : we know how TPTB are thinking :rolleyes: They can't have characters living a happy life. If some character is perfectly happy, there's no story. They have to face difficulties cause it means angst and more stories to tell :rolleyes:
So if Sam and Jack had been together from the beginning, they couldn't have lived happily forever. There would have been arguments and fights. Well, making-up scenes would have been nice to see though :D
But that's not something I want to see (arguments, not making up scenes :p )
So do you think we should thank TPTB to not have put Sam and Jack together before ? ;) :p

lonely_star
April 30th, 2005, 02:18 PM
amazing discussion we have there !! thanks Florence to ask it to all !



So do you think we should thank TPTB to not have put Sam and Jack together before ? ;) :p

:eek: :rolleyes: well there's before and before !! a few years ago would have been nice !! :D :D ;)

ohshocking
April 30th, 2005, 02:25 PM
:eek: :rolleyes: well there's before and before !! a few years ago would have been nice !! :D :D ;)
Definitely! I wouldn't have wanted them together straight away, as then it's much more liable to go wrong, plus then you don't have the build up, the angst! You can't get involved in their story, if you've not been watching and waiting for it to happen. But yes, a few years ago would have been perfect!

Catysg1
April 30th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Well, I'm happy to find people who think the same way as me. When I posted my question, I was wondering if people woud send me rotten tomatoes or flamed penguins :p

I too think that they wouldn't have lasted long together if they had been able to get together right from the beginning. They didn't have much in common at that time. I can't picture Sam spending a lot of time in Jack's cabin in the woods, without some theory to work on or some alien artifact to analyze ;) And I can't see Jack listening to Sam speaking her technobabble for endless hours.
My friend Lys (who's a non shipper) reminded me that they had one thing in common though : astronomy. Jack spends hours looking at stars and Sam spends hours studying stars. But I still think that at one time Jack would tell Sam to shut up and just look at the stars (like in Hundred Days) :p

But now, after 8 years learning to know each other, they have more things that bring them closer : everything they had to face, their friendship and trust in each other. And they probably want to settle themselves, have a quieter life, at least for Jack. Not too quiet though ! Cause we all know what Sam thinks about a quiet country life, taking care of horses for instance ;)

There's one more thing to consider : we know how TPTB are thinking :rolleyes: They can't have characters living a happy life. If some character is perfectly happy, there's no story. They have to face difficulties cause it means angst and more stories to tell :rolleyes:
So if Sam and Jack had been together from the beginning, they couldn't have lived happily forever. There would have been arguments and fights. Well, making-up scenes would have been nice to see though :D
But that's not something I want to see (arguments, not making up scenes :p )
So do you think we should thank TPTB to not have put Sam and Jack together before ? ;) :p

Well, I have never seen a real sci-fi show put a couple together before season 7 and 8 usually just because UST sells a lot more than RST ..Saying that RST can also be well done but may be TPTB needs to employ some women writers for that :)

Who writes for Alias by the way ?!!! I need to find out :)

and I also agree that Sam and Jack together from the beginning would not have worked because they both were not ready for a serious relationship ..it would have probably been a fling and it would have been a real shame :(


....but I think you do not need a lot in common to love and stay with a person ...One thing is enough so Astronomy is fine ..and usually you discover more things along the way as you live together ...

....For example ..Sam may like The Simpsons and may really enjoy watching Jack's Tapes ....with a glass of beer ...( they both like beers ..and they also both like to socialise with their friends I think so here we go )

If Jack wants to go fishing and Sam wants to do something else ( I don't think she'll go fishing with Jack all the time ..(at the moment it's novelty and I would probably do the same ......)then it's great ...She can always take her bike and visit Cassie for the day ....

I think giving each other some space is very important in a couple ...as long as you are interested in what they did at the end of the day ...it could still be so enriching to listen to what the other one has to say like Jack talking about his fishing day and Sam telling Jack all about Cassie and How she has grown .. ;) This is an other interest they have in commun ( Cassie) and a pretty strong one I believe ..a bond with that girl and with each other out of this world .

Caty:)

LOL4JACK
April 30th, 2005, 03:11 PM
Hmmm I like where we are going, let's see so far we have:

Things they share in common:
- Astronomy
- Love for Cassie
- Beer
- Hugh sense of friendship and not leaving anybody behind

Things they might start sharing because they are together:
- Jack's love for the Simpsons :D
- Sam's love for motorbikes?
- Jack's love for fishing

Things where they will definitly have their own space:
- Sam's passion for science

Please, keep the list going.... :p:p:p:p, in black and white why they so belong together :D

lonely_star
April 30th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Hmmm I like where we are going, let's see so far we have:

Things they share in common:
- Astronomy
- Love for Cassie
- Beer
- Hugh sense of friendship and not leaving anybody behind

Things they might start sharing because they are together:
- Jack's love for the Simpsons :D
- Sam's love for motorbikes?
- Jack's love for fishing

Things where they will definitly have their own space:
- Sam's passion for science

Please, keep the list going.... :p:p:p:p, in black and white why they so belong together :D

what about jello ?? :D

lonely_star
April 30th, 2005, 03:28 PM
what about jello ?? :D

and kicking goaul'd asses !! :D :D of course !!

ColonelWilliams
April 30th, 2005, 03:31 PM
Hmmm I like where we are going, let's see so far we have:

Things they share in common:
- Astronomy
- Love for Cassie
- Beer
- Hugh sense of friendship and not leaving anybody behind

Things they might start sharing because they are together:
- Jack's love for the Simpsons :D
- Sam's love for motorbikes?
- Jack's love for fishing

Things where they will definitly have their own space:
- Sam's passion for science

Please, keep the list going.... :p:p:p:p, in black and white why they so belong together :D


How about jack's sense of humor?

lonely_star
April 30th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Things they might start sharing because they are together:
- Jack's love for the Simpsons :D
- Sam's love for motorbikes?
- Jack's love for fishing



euh...their bed :D :D ;) :rolleyes:

lonely_star
April 30th, 2005, 03:42 PM
euh...their bed :D :D ;) :rolleyes:

hum...been thinking...maybe they already share it !!! :D :D

Catysg1
April 30th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Yeah ..Sam loves Jack's sense of humor ..she said she finds him charming when he is grumpy in the episode where they go in the submarine and underwater it's like transparent mud :) Sorry Temporarily lost the title of that episode :) ok came back "Watergate".

Also....

They both like to speak about cooking from time to time :)

Sam can share her soufle with Jack :)
Jack can share his Spanish omelette with Sam :)

Caty:)

LOL4JACK
April 30th, 2005, 03:49 PM
euh...their bed :D :D ;) :rolleyes:
ROFLOL http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif

So, keeping with the list....

Things they share in common:
- Astronomy
- Love for Cassie
- Beer
- Hugh sense of friendship and not leaving anybody behind
- Kikin Goaul'd behinds

Things they might start sharing because they are together:
- Jack's love for the Simpsons
- Sam's love for motorbikes?
- Jack's love for fishing
- Jack's sense of humor
- Sam's Love for Jello
- Their Bed!!!!!

Things where they will definitly have their own space:
- Sam's passion for science

majorsal
April 30th, 2005, 03:50 PM
I also have heard about the JAG final ..well at least they didn't disapoint their shippers at the end and ...most of all they stopped the show when the lead actor wanted to leave which means they left in a high note ...

....and this is what all shows should do ..I think it's completely wrong to have some new characters replacing the old one so late in a series ...season 8 should have been the end for Stargate SG1 and would have probably left us with good spirits and a show which would have been a cult in the sci-fi history ..

....Instead they are destroying it's true foundations by changing the direction .

I'm not against it if it was only a new show ..like Stargate Atlantis but not calling it still Stargate Sg1 because it is not ....even if Jack is there for 2 episodes ..I sincerely hope he 'll be there for more because it's gonna be a bit of a disaster if he doesn't come back at all for the finale ....and I hope season 9 is the finale of the show ..too bad it was not a year before though with the original cast :(


Caty:)

in response to this post, i'm going to c/p some comments i made about Jag from the s/j list.

i recorded the ep while it was on, but i only payed attention to the last few minutes. i used to be a steady viewer, but my new obsession at the time(stargate) made dropping Jag rather easy. why am i bring this up? because i'm *so* glad i didn't stay a steady viewer, because i think that show finale/ship
resolution would have disappointed me big time. why? 10 years of angst and SUPER will they/won't they should not add up to 10 minutes of pay-off. on it's
own, the ending was sweet. adding everything the shippers had been through, not enough.

and concerning stopping the show when the lead actor wanted to quit... they weren't originally going to do that. david james elliott was being literally fired, and it hurt his feelings a lot (i read about this). bellisario handled DJE with the same care as he did his fans. he really comes off as a jerk.

we, s/j shippers, got a much, much, MUCH better deal than the Jag shippers! ;)


sally :)

LOL4JACK
April 30th, 2005, 03:53 PM
Yeah ..Sam's love Jack's sense of humor ..she said she finds him charming when he is grumpy in the episode where they go in the submarine and underwater it's like transparent mud :) Sorry Temporarily lost the title of that episode :) ok came back "Watergate".

Also....

They both like to speak about cooking from time to time :)

Sam can share her soufle with Jack :)
Jack can share his Spanish omelette with Sam :)

Caty:)
Cooking! Wow, the things I discover in this thread, I'd never known that they share a passion for cooking... :) fishing I know, but cooking :D

Catysg1
April 30th, 2005, 04:01 PM
Cooking! Wow, the things I discover in this thread, I'd never known that they share a passion for cooking... :) fishing I know, but cooking :D


I don't think they can really cook but they may enjoy cooking together once they live together ..

and Sam can teach Jack how to mix the pastry ...and they both have their hands in the bowl mixing it together ...and they touch hands a lot ..and the hand contact makes them turn around and they kiss passionately and put flour all over them at the same time :)

Caty:)

majorsal
April 30th, 2005, 04:04 PM
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Sally it was was hard watching the Jag Finale.I could not stop thinking about the Sam and Jack Ship.I'am trying to hold out hope we'll get something like that for Sam and Jack.I keep thinking that we have not seen the last of Sam and Jack.I find it very hard to image we will not get some sort of Sam and Jack resolution.

i don't think we've seen the end of it either, ses. how could it be the end, when Threads/Moebius 2 ending showed they've decided to not ignore their feelings for one another anymore. that means something! i still have hope. (please don't disappointment, ptb)


sally :)

majorsal
April 30th, 2005, 04:12 PM
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So here's my question : if they had been able to "act" on their physical attraction since the beginning (let's forget that regs exist for a while ;) ), do you think they would have been good together ?
Or would they have soon realized that they don't have much in common, then they would have broken up and moved on to something (or someone) else ?

good question. i think moebius 1 and 2 showed us how fast our sam and jack would have acted on their feelings if the regs hadn't have been an issue. now do i think they would have stayed together? absolutely! ;) they compliment either each, personality wise.i think hot i-want-you sex would have become i-can't-live-without-you love.


sally :)

majorsal
April 30th, 2005, 04:29 PM
Definitely! I wouldn't have wanted them together straight away, as then it's much more liable to go wrong, plus then you don't have the build up, the angst! You can't get involved in their story, if you've not been watching and waiting for it to happen. But yes, a few years ago would have been perfect!

if it hadn't happened in the first year, then i think it should have happened in the 3rd or 4th. i think sam's epiphany in 'a hundred days' could have been a catalyst for something to start. but if it didn't start then, then the 4th season definitely. and i'd say 'divide and conquer' being the right time to come to terms with their feelings.

~o~

sam - "this doesn't have to leave the room, sir."

jack - "you're alright with that?"

sam - "yes."

jack - "well, i'm not."

sam - "what?"

jack - "i don't want to leave it in the room. i want to deal with what's between us."

sam - "you do?"

jack - "yes."

sam - "... so do i."

jack - "what do you say we go to o'malley's for dinner and talk?"

sam - *smiles*

~o~


i think this would have been a good time to progress sam and jack's relay. what about you guys?


sally :)

Shiden
April 30th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Two words for this forum SamNJack Forever :D

Lida
April 30th, 2005, 04:54 PM
what about jello ?? :D

Well I know Sam's favorite jello is blue.......but isn't Jack partial to green????? :p

I'm being silly, because this is my 200th post!!!! YES!

I love you all, for the past week, I have had so much fun being here, reading all your posts, sharing my love for the show and my passion for Sam and Jack.
Thank you all and I look forward to more......only one thing makes me sad. I wish TPTB had resolved the relationship between Jack and Sam on the season finale, because we all know, Jack is leaving. Please PTB, don't let us down, not after 8 long years. Even if it's just in our hearts and minds, let them get together.

OK, I've acted like a looney fan, time to go. :rolleyes:

majorsal
April 30th, 2005, 05:31 PM
I love you all, for the past week, I have had so much fun being here, reading all your posts, sharing my love for the show and my passion for Sam and Jack.
Thank you all and I look forward to more......only one thing makes me sad. I wish TPTB had resolved the relationship between Jack and Sam on the season finale, because we all know, Jack is leaving. Please PTB, don't let us down, not after 8 long years. Even if it's just in our hearts and minds, let them get together.

OK, I've acted like a looney fan, time to go. :rolleyes:

if you're looney, i must be stark raving mad! :p

there's hope, lida, about sam and jack, and it comes from amanda herself.

(from a special interview on dvd)

Amanda Tapping, referring to the Sam/Jack relationship at the end of season 8 -

"If this is the end of Stargate, the fans will not be disappointed. If it's not the
end, we still have somewhere we can go."

we STILL have somewhere we can GO! :D


sally :D

lonely_star
April 30th, 2005, 06:17 PM
if it hadn't happened in the first year, then i think it should have happened in the 3rd or 4th. i think sam's epiphany in 'a hundred days' could have been a catalyst for something to start. but if it didn't start then, then the 4th season definitely. and i'd say 'divide and conquer' being the right time to come to terms with their feelings.

~o~

sam - "this doesn't have to leave the room, sir."

jack - "you're alright with that?"

sam - "yes."

jack - "well, i'm not."

sam - "what?"

jack - "i don't want to leave it in the room. i want to deal with what's between us."

sam - "you do?"

jack - "yes."

sam - "... so do i."

jack - "what do you say we go to o'malley's for dinner and talk?"

sam - *smiles*

~o~


i think this would have been a good time to progress sam and jack's relay. what about you guys?


sally :)

two words for you : IF ONLY !!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
well this is my 100th post yay !!! so to celebrate that
here is some angst !! ;)

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lonely_star
April 30th, 2005, 06:23 PM
and another one just cause they're so cute ! :)

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marimba26
April 30th, 2005, 07:17 PM
ACK! :eek: I'm STILL in shock and turmoil over the Quantum Leap finale *cursing and mumbling* :( That said, I actually did watch the JAG finale, and it ended VERY SHIPPILY! Heck, I'm not sure there could have been ANY more ship - they slept together and are getting married.... BUT, they did take them out of each others command before letting them do it...
I'm not sure I'd want this sort of ending on SG-1. It's a very different situation too - in my view Jack is very close to retirement, whereas Harm is not.
I have no expectations regarding ship for s9 - I can't see how they can when the actors won't be appearing in any of the same scenes :S Which is not to say I'm not looking forward (with reservations) to the new season - I'll give them a chance, and if I don't like what I see I'll exercise my OFF button :p

Well, I am really glad for all the JAG folks that it had a great ending! I confess to expecting the worst after Quantum Leap! You never know with stuff like that until it happens! After having *ended* SG-1 twice now and neither ending having been shippy, I'm expecting nothing. I'm with you, I'll give it a chance for me to like it on a different level but I'm not expecting any more of Sam and Jack :(

marimba26
April 30th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Well I know Sam's favorite jello is blue.......but isn't Jack partial to green????? :p



Actually, I thought it was red that Jack was partial to and green that shippers were partial to... :D

majorsal
April 30th, 2005, 07:24 PM
i've been meaning to reply to this post... *shakes head at memory*

(this was a bit back, at post number 1926)



Well, after listening to the TPTB at the Vancouver convention last weekend, not one mention was made of a wedding or even an "off screen" romance between Sam and Jack. I do think they did allude to a surprise, but don't bet on it. I'm with you though, after 8 long years, I won't be happy unless they do take that fateful walk up the aisle. Oh well.......guess we'll have to wait and see.


what surprise? how was it stated? what was the looks on their faces? do tell! :D



sally :)

Lida
April 30th, 2005, 07:29 PM
Sally, Sally, Sally....what am I going to do with you????? :D

If I knew what "it" was, it wouldn't be a surprise. As to their faces, well, one of them never cracked a smile and one looked manic, the others, hard to say...... :rolleyes:

We've been "teased" for eight long years, about the attraction between Jack and Sam.....well, all I can say is, TPTB had better come through on this one topic, or else! And don't ask what the or else is, cause I have no idea! :D

majorsal
April 30th, 2005, 07:36 PM
Sally, Sally, Sally....what am I going to do with you????? :D

give me RDA?....

*eyes bulge*

*closes eyes*

*sighs and dreams*

:D


If I knew what "it" was, it wouldn't be a surprise. As to their faces, well, one of them never cracked a smile and one looked manic, the others, hard to say...... :rolleyes:

what was the topic of convo that made them make that statement? did it just come out of the blue? was it on stage, or with fans after/before the panel?


We've been "teased" for eight long years, about the attraction between Jack and Sam.....well, all I can say is, TPTB had better come through on this one topic, or else! And don't ask what the or else is, cause I have no idea! :D

my 'or else!' requires me holding my breath till i drop, but i think that's a win for them more. :p or i could sing, but i think my fellow shippers would kill me before the ptb gave in.

(must find better 'or else!' plan)


sally :p

Lida
April 30th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Sally, thanks for the laughs you gave me today. I'm sorry, but I won't be answering your questions. I just got another red ding, for nothing.....for a post I made about Ninjas.....do you believe it? And the coward NEVER identified him or herself.

Sorry, but I've tried hard to answer questions, make jokes, ask decent questions and be fair to everyone. I've got too many real life problems to get grief in here.....I came here to escape into the one place I love, the world of SG-1.

Oh well, take care and have a great weekend, everyone!

sg-1fanintn
April 30th, 2005, 08:11 PM
i watched the finale, right after Gemini (which i *finally* got! :D). the end.... it made me cry. not because of harm and mac, but because... while i was watching the HAPPY ending, this sudden melancholy feeling rushed over me that started to make me cry......... that's what i've always wanted for sam and jack. i know that Jag played a MUCH worse case of stringing the shippers along, but the fact that harm and mac are engaged, and they had a great kissing scene together, and they were putting each other first before their blasted careers (finally)... it just hit me of how long i've waited for that for sam and jack. but... sam and jack are finally on the same page, so we still have some good stuff to look forward to. --- right?


sally :)


I'm so glad I suggested the "JAG" watch, but I got the same melancholy feeling MajorSal did. However, not being really emotionally invested in Harm and Mac (sounds kinda like Sam and Jack, doesn't it?), I really didn't know how Bellasario had jerked fans around over the years. Of course, you know the "end" of that series was the perfect set-up for a follow-up TV movie a year or so down the road, don't you think? And I admit: I watched SGA's repeat at 11 last night, so I didn't really boycott it after all.

Now, I really have to share something new. I posted on a thread called "The Carter Conundrum" Friday and suddenly found myself in a firestorm of controversy. The purpose of the thread was to state what you thought TPTB would do with Sam's character in S9. I stated that now that she was with Jack, she could concentrate on leading the team, resolving the issues surrounding the deaths of her father, her best friend, the changes in the team, etc......and was suddenly pounced on by a couple of guys who said S & J weren't together! I calmly stated my reasons for feeling as I did, and pointed out that the purpose of the thread was to say WHAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD BE DONE WITH THE SAM CHARACTER IN S9.....not pounce on others for their viewpoints. They pounced again, so I told them sayonara and that I wouldn't upset them by posting there again!

Whew! What unfriendly territory I was in for about 30 minutes. I see now what you all have said about the anti-S/J contingent. I don't think I'll be going outside of "our" threads again! Of course, I could have argued much more than I did, but I didn't want to be rude and get dinged by a moderator, so I just chose to leave those guys to wallow in their discontent. I'm so glad to have this positive environment in which to share ideas!

Myrth
May 1st, 2005, 12:00 AM
Whew... go away overnight... gotta get used to the pace of this forum.. :)

In answer to whoever asked what hand pr0n is.. it refers to the decidedly erotic way Jack touches Sam's hand... The one in Moebius has been discussed here a bunch lately... massively obvious case of it in Threads [swoon] but there's also a case of it in Beneath The Surface that it takes some watching to catch.. but it's probably the hottest of them all if you do see it... I'm pathetic.. I know it but I'm happy :D

And on the issue of throwbacks to Grace.. in Moebius.. there is a third one. When Sam is talking to Jacob he says..

J: "I've been places and seen things most people only dream of."

S: {quietly} "I've heard that before"

That was a reference to their scene in Grace where she tells him the exact same thing in defence of her lifestyle.......



Good things come in threes and are often portents.... or some such thing :)

sg1rox
May 1st, 2005, 02:11 AM
Hello every one...

I know, being the end of season 8 & all, this may be a bit of a late start for me... But here I am, a virtual newbie...

I have posted a few times before. But, mostly, I'm a lurker... I don't always have time to keep up w/ all the stuff here. So I guess I felt hesitant to join in. But I LOVE SG-1 (warming up to Atlantis) & I'm a real big Sam/Jack shipper & wanted to say hello...

"Hello!" :)

I saw some messages about the final ep of JAG... I watched that show as well. I too felt kind of cheated by the way they ended things so nice & shippy there & how, here in the SG-1 universe, we're still kind of left hanging in regards to S/J...:mad:

But I have to admit to doing a happy dance when, in "Mobius," the alt time line S/J started flirting & then making out in the puddle jumper/time machine!!! :o Woo hoo! But it wasn't "our" S/J! So, enough said... UGH!:p

Hopefully, with them using RDA in a few eps next year, we'll get something.... anything... PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *whew*

I hear he's been up to Canada & they've even come down to Southern California, to him, in order to shoot scenes... Maybe they'll be able to accomodate him well enough that he'll be able to do at least a half dozen eps!?!?!?! :confused: *wishful thinking*

No matter what happens, they have just got to make S/J happen before the show "ends." Otherwise this last 8 years of sexual tension & angst will have gone to waste... & I might hurt some people!!! :mad: :P LOL

***Side note: You could say 6 years... if you count that TPTB say the whole thing "really" started in "Out Of Mind" (ep 222)... Listen to the directors cometary (including Amanda) during "Grace" (&/or "Lost City" I'm at a loss as to remember exactly which ep). They say that RDA & AT started the whole thing with those scenes, in "Out of Mind,"...the way he glaces at her back when he wakes her... the way she reacts to being so close to him, when he grabs her in the hallway to hide from the Jaffa... the way he hugs her after throwing Hathor over the edge... supposedly that stuff wasn't scripted... RDA & AT decided to play it that way & it went on from there... But I personaly feel it had started in ep 101. I think they sparked off of one another from the very beginning. ;)***

Any way... Enough rambling from the newbie.... I hope to be more active, in the future, here on the board... Everyone have a good weekend...

BTW... Any other California based fans out there? Just curious... I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area...

lonely_star
May 1st, 2005, 10:05 AM
WELCOME SG1 ROX !!!!

hope you'll have a lot of fun and post a lot !!! you'll like the family ! everybody is so nice here !!!!just love them!! :D :D

(yay for San Francisco! I love this city...I'd like to live there ! :o )

sg-1fanintn
May 1st, 2005, 12:58 PM
I hear he's been up to Canada & they've even come down to Southern California, to him, in order to shoot scenes... Maybe they'll be able to accomodate him well enough that he'll be able to do at least a half dozen eps!?!?!?! :confused: *wishful thinking*



Welcome, SG1rox!

I must ask: where did you hear about RDA and the show's travel between Vancouver and California? We've heard some things, but have had a hard time confirming anything. So, any concrete info you might have (since you live in the shake and bake state) would be greatly appreciated!

On another topic, I just went back to watch the first part of "Moebius 1" and the hand shot in the conference room. Yikes! How open for our pair! My husband said it was an accident--that his hand just accidentally touched hers while reaching for the report. But I disagree. I believe it was a deliberate touch, partially because the camera was zoomed in on their hands when it happened.

I also think that the fact that no one really reacted to it--not Sam, Jack, Daniel or Teal'c--probably means that everything got settled at the cabin at the end of "Threads," and that all four of them now just accept the fact that Sam and Jack are together. No, he hasn't resigned yet--not that we were told in "Moebius." But the process could already be underway. Even if it isn't, this relationship is something that Teal'c and Daniel realize is inevitable---and support! If their friends chose to (finally!) move forward with a personal relationship while Jack was deciding the best course of action professionally, I don't think T or D would see any dishonor in it. Hey! Or maybe he's already put in his petition to retire, and at the start of S9, they'll lure him to Homeworld Security instead! Who knows?

Lys
May 1st, 2005, 01:07 PM
Hi to every shipper in the world !:)

I'm Florence and Caty's friend Lys.

I made this for all of you. Feel free to use it and to give it to whoever you want.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/LysSG/goldpenguin.jpg


Enjoy !:)

lonely_star
May 1st, 2005, 01:12 PM
Welcome, SG1rox!

I must ask: where did you hear about RDA and the show's travel between Vancouver and California? We've heard some things, but have had a hard time confirming anything. So, any concrete info you might have (since you live in the shake and bake state) would be greatly appreciated!

On another topic, I just went back to watch the first part of "Moebius 1" and the hand shot in the conference room. Yikes! How open for our pair! My husband said it was an accident--that his hand just accidentally touched hers while reaching for the report. But I disagree. I believe it was a deliberate touch, partially because the camera was zoomed in on their hands when it happened.

I also think that the fact that no one really reacted to it--not Sam, Jack, Daniel or Teal'c--probably means that everything got settled at the cabin at the end of "Threads," and that all four of them now just accept the fact that Sam and Jack are together. No, he hasn't resigned yet--not that we were told in "Moebius." But the process could already be underway. Even if it isn't, this relationship is something that Teal'c and Daniel realize is inevitable---and support! If their friends chose to (finally!) move forward with a personal relationship while Jack was deciding the best course of action professionally, I don't think T or D would see any dishonor in it. Hey! Or maybe he's already put in his petition to retire, and at the start of S9, they'll lure him to Homeworld Security instead! Who knows?


wow totally agree with you about Moebius...and the hand touching..it was deliberate and so cute... ;)

as for the infos I hope we'll have confirmation soon, where did you hear that ?? can you confirm anything ? I'll love to see him in 6 eps !! I only hope it won't be only 2 and he'll come back for the season finale !! :rolleyes:

lonely_star
May 1st, 2005, 01:14 PM
Hi to every shipper in the world !:)

I'm Florence and Caty's friend Lys.

I made this for all of you. Feel free to use it and to give it to whoever you want.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/LysSG/goldpenguin.jpg


Enjoy !:)


WOW lys !!! (((((((LYS)))))))

thanks !!!! it's awesome !!!
too bad you're not a shipper or I'd give it to you :p :D

Lys
May 1st, 2005, 01:17 PM
WOW lys !!! (((((((LYS)))))))

thanks !!!! it's awesome !!!
too bad you're not a shipper or I'd give it to you :p :D

You can give it to me. I like animals !:D :p

lonely_star
May 1st, 2005, 01:27 PM
You can give it to me. I like animals !:D :p


ok then it's for you LYS !!

and for my family ! :p (just in case they missed it the first time !! :D :D )

http://img123.exs.cx/img123/3081/goldpinguincoin4zz.jpg

THANKS AGAIN LYS !!

florence
May 1st, 2005, 01:43 PM
Hi to every shipper in the world !:)

I'm Florence and Caty's friend Lys.

I made this for all of you. Feel free to use it and to give it to whoever you want.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/LysSG/goldpenguin.jpg


Enjoy !:)

Lys, thank you for this gold penguin medal ! :D

I think every SJ shipper deserves one for being so patient during these 8 last years :D

Catysg1
May 1st, 2005, 02:15 PM
Suekay :)

I thought about how I could help in the virtual season 9...Ok I could do the things related to Sam and Jack like manips collages ect ..probably manips more as we may have some unseen scenes before .

Lys told me she would like to do the graphics non ship for all the other characters ..so I though it would be a great idea if I concentrate only on Sam & Jack .


.I perhaps can do a video for each episode but it may be difficult with the material that TPTB gave us ...and somebody will have to give me the song for each episode ..the video does not have to be shippy and could include everybody but for a video , we'll have to see because it could be awkward .!!!

So if you include me on the list as Sam & Jack graphics ( Manips, collages) & video may be !!!

Hope that will help :)

Caty:)

Catysg1
May 1st, 2005, 02:58 PM
Today in France 1st of May or May day is la fete du travailleur also called le jour du Muguet ( The day of the Lily of the Valley) where everybody gives each other a bunch of Muguet ( Lily) for Good luck .

So all you see in the streets are little stands and anybody can sell their Muguet that they picked up in the woods .

Here is my one to Sam and Jack and to all their shipper friends :)


Le Muguet :)

http://www.angelfire.com/space2/sci-fi/SJlily2.jpg

Caty:)

Catysg1
May 1st, 2005, 03:12 PM
Hi to every shipper in the world !:)

I'm Florence and Caty's friend Lys.

I made this for all of you. Feel free to use it and to give it to whoever you want.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/LysSG/goldpenguin.jpg


Enjoy !:)




WOW Lys ;)

I love gold ...What a nice medallion :) so much better than green jello ..because it last for such a long time and is always a pleasure for the eyes :)

and a pinguin too:)

I declare you

the Queen of the golden penguin medallion :) supposed to be in gold but GW don't have the gold colour !!!

and here is for you :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/LysSG/goldpenguin.jpg


Caty :)

Catysg1
May 1st, 2005, 03:17 PM
Hello every one...

I know, being the end of season 8 & all, this may be a bit of a late start for me... But here I am, a virtual newbie...

I have posted a few times before. But, mostly, I'm a lurker... I don't always have time to keep up w/ all the stuff here. So I guess I felt hesitant to join in. But I LOVE SG-1 (warming up to Atlantis) & I'm a real big Sam/Jack shipper & wanted to say hello...

"Hello!" :)

I saw some messages about the final ep of JAG... I watched that show as well. I too felt kind of cheated by the way they ended things so nice & shippy there & how, here in the SG-1 universe, we're still kind of left hanging in regards to S/J...:mad:

But I have to admit to doing a happy dance when, in "Mobius," the alt time line S/J started flirting & then making out in the puddle jumper/time machine!!! :o Woo hoo! But it wasn't "our" S/J! So, enough said... UGH!:p

Hopefully, with them using RDA in a few eps next year, we'll get something.... anything... PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *whew*

I hear he's been up to Canada & they've even come down to Southern California, to him, in order to shoot scenes... Maybe they'll be able to accomodate him well enough that he'll be able to do at least a half dozen eps!?!?!?! :confused: *wishful thinking*

No matter what happens, they have just got to make S/J happen before the show "ends." Otherwise this last 8 years of sexual tension & angst will have gone to waste... & I might hurt some people!!! :mad: :P LOL

***Side note: You could say 6 years... if you count that TPTB say the whole thing "really" started in "Out Of Mind" (ep 222)... Listen to the directors cometary (including Amanda) during "Grace" (&/or "Lost City" I'm at a loss as to remember exactly which ep). They say that RDA & AT started the whole thing with those scenes, in "Out of Mind,"...the way he glaces at her back when he wakes her... the way she reacts to being so close to him, when he grabs her in the hallway to hide from the Jaffa... the way he hugs her after throwing Hathor over the edge... supposedly that stuff wasn't scripted... RDA & AT decided to play it that way & it went on from there... But I personaly feel it had started in ep 101. I think they sparked off of one another from the very beginning. ;)***

Any way... Enough rambling from the newbie.... I hope to be more active, in the future, here on the board... Everyone have a good weekend...

BTW... Any other California based fans out there? Just curious... I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area...



Welcome to the shipper family sg1rox ;)

and post a lot please :)

Caty:)

Lys
May 1st, 2005, 03:19 PM
WOW Lys ;)

I love gold ...What a nice medallion :) so much better than green jello ..because it last for such a long time and is always a pleasure for the eyes :)

and a pinguin too:)

I declare you

the Queen of the golden penguin medallion :) supposed to be in gold but GW don't have the gold colour !!!

and here is for you :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/LysSG/goldpenguin.jpg


Caty :)




THANK YOU CATY!!!!!!!!!

MILLIONS OF GOLDEN PENGUINS FOR YOU!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D

Catysg1
May 1st, 2005, 03:23 PM
Two words for this forum SamNJack Forever :D



Welcome to the shipper family Shiden ;)

and keep on posting :) we want to hear why you love Sam & Jack together so much :)

Caty:)

Catysg1
May 1st, 2005, 03:51 PM
THANK YOU CATY!!!!!!!!!

MILLIONS OF GOLDEN PENGUINS FOR YOU!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D





Thank you ((((Lys))) and Sam & Jack forever :)


Oops ..Sorry just forgotten you were a non shipper for a minute :p


Caty:)

Lys
May 1st, 2005, 03:54 PM
Thank you ((((Lys))) and Sam & Jack forever :)



Oops ..Sorry just forgotten you were a non shipper for a minute :p


Caty:)




I don't buy it Caty !:p
You'll never forget I'm not a shipper:p :D

majorsal
May 1st, 2005, 09:01 PM
And on the issue of throwbacks to Grace.. in Moebius.. there is a third one. When Sam is talking to Jacob he says..

J: "I've been places and seen things most people only dream of."

S: {quietly} "I've heard that before"

That was a reference to their scene in Grace where she tells him the exact same thing in defence of her lifestyle.......



Good things come in threes and are often portents.... or some such thing :)

i picked up on that too. :D there's a lot of similarities between 'grace' and 'threads'.


sally :D

majorsal
May 1st, 2005, 09:10 PM
But I personaly feel it had started in ep 101. I think they sparked off of one another from the very beginning. ;)

first off, welcome! ;)

i saw ship in the first ep too. it was written the way. :)


BTW... Any other California based fans out there? Just curious... I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area...

southern california girl here. ;) (LA county, Lakewood)


sally :)

Queen_Bee
May 1st, 2005, 10:43 PM
heeelloo one and all

i havent been able to access gateworld for a couple of days :(

i have missed my shipper family! Big Shipper Hugs all round.
Well has any body seen or heard anything spoilish recently?
i have been sooo busy..gah RL can be a drag sometimes :)

Toodles Ya'll
Bee

Myrth
May 1st, 2005, 11:56 PM
I guess in a lot of ways Threads was the sequel to Grace. The arc of Sam trying to move on, find a life, work out what she wants kinda concluded... with the fact that she's in love with Jack... or at least that's how I see it. Now I'm looking forward to seeing what the next step is...

:D



i picked up on that too. :D there's a lot of similarities between 'grace' and 'threads'.


sally :D

Oma-1
May 2nd, 2005, 01:55 AM
(((Shipper Family)))

What a weekend! Just caught up, and as usual, I have a lot to say :p

First point of business (always the most important)

Welcome SG-1rox

It's always good to welcome new shippers to the family ;)

Florence - that's a great question. I know most of you think they wouldn't have lasted if Sam & Jack had got together in Season 1, but I'm with the minority who think it could have worked. I liked Sally's use of M2 as an example :)

In my little scenario, Sam confronts Jack about the "Not like this" comment ;) and they get together from there. By that point Sam's already established herself as Soldier Sam and proved her worth to Jack both in the field and in the lab, so the mutual respect is already present, to go along with all that mutual lust :p. Then Sam helps Jack through the Cold Lazarus ep and helps to ease the guilt Jack feels over Charlie and Sarah. I think the relationship would have been tempestuous, but it would have grown past the problems.


Lol4Jack - I love the list! Here's my additions:

Things they share in common:
- Astronomy
- Love for Cassie
- Beer
- Hugh sense of friendship and not leaving anybody behind
- Kikin Goaul'd behinds
- Cooking
- Ability to anticipate each others actions (in battle situations)
- Ability to communicate without words (v. important in this relationship :p )

Things they might start sharing because they are together:
- Jack's love for the Simpsons
- Sam's love for motorbikes?
- Jack's love for fishing
- Jack's sense of humor
- Sam's love for Jello - they may prefer different colours but they both eat it with a fork ;)
- Their Bed!!!!!

Things where they will definitly have their own space:
- Sam's passion for science
- Jack's BBQ :p


LYS - You may not be a shipper, but little gems like that are always welcome here! So are you ;)


Myrth - I like your analogy of Threads being the sequel to Grace - that's how I see it too. The only resolution of Sam's hallucinations in Grace for me was her realising how much she loved Jack. I could never accept Pete cos imo the ptb skewed Sam's lines so badly. Jack's "I'm a safe bet" to me meant she could trust him with her heart. Not that she was using an obession with him to not have to trust her heart with anyone else. Threads was far too long in coming!! :rolleyes:

Ok, I'm done rambling for now :p

Lys
May 2nd, 2005, 03:33 AM
LYS - You may not be a shipper, but little gems like that are always welcome here! So are you ;)



(((((Oma-1))))):) :)

Thank you so much !
Feel free to use the "gem" when you want.;)

I confess I don't follow most of the things you all talk about here, but I know you're all fun thanks to Florence, Caty and Lonely Star my friends from the French thread.

Big hugs to everyone here !:) :)

girlgater
May 2nd, 2005, 11:53 AM
Hi shipper family!

Welcome sg1Rox--hope you have a great time here.

Where is everyone? I know things have been hard with GW being up and down all day. Hopefully it's back on for good.

I'm getting ready to watch Divide & Conquer and then Window of Opportunity! My two favorite episodes.

By the way...I tried watching Heroes, Part 2 (and Lost City, Part 1) on my new Season 7 DVD's and guess what...the video is messed up. I couldn't see anything shippy (the hug from Heroes) or the house scene from Lost City. I can't believe what a total disappointment. Oh well...I'll keep shipping as best as I can. I don't guess I can take them back, or even complain to MGM, but I'd like to.

Hugs all around.

sg-1fanintn
May 2nd, 2005, 06:23 PM
Dear fellow shippers,

It has been too quite on the ship front for three days now! I know GW has had its outages, but I'm beginning to worry about where you all are.

Hope you're all well, and thinking shippy thoughts (Of course, with D & C and WoO on tonight, how could you not be?)!!!!

nell
May 2nd, 2005, 06:30 PM
Hi Gals,
I don't visit regularly but when I do I really enjoy this thread!! Anyway, I was on the Sci Fi website last night looking for the schedule of this week's episodes. I clicked on Season 8 Episode Guide and read the Threads and Moebius reviews. Awesome! See the references to Sam and Jack for these episodes. Shipper friendly!!! :) :) Let me know if you agree!! ;) nell

sg-1fanintn
May 2nd, 2005, 06:32 PM
They're some of the best ship episodes ever!

ayowza
May 2nd, 2005, 06:55 PM
Whew! I'm glad I found you guys. I don't post to forums very often, mostly because I tend to be a bit shippy and have found myself getting battered for that. I've just been reading one of the Stargate novels and was really glad that they didn't pretent there was nothing between Sam and Jack. I mean, it was just nice to see then being human about the whole thing.
So finally, I think it's not just me. This is great. Now I can sit back and relax instead of being frightened to say a word that might imply something!

Yowza

sg-1fanintn
May 2nd, 2005, 07:01 PM
If you're a shipper, you're in friendly territory now.


Welcome, ayowza!

lonely_star
May 2nd, 2005, 07:14 PM
Whew! I'm glad I found you guys. I don't post to forums very often, mostly because I tend to be a bit shippy and have found myself getting battered for that. I've just been reading one of the Stargate novels and was really glad that they didn't pretent there was nothing between Sam and Jack. I mean, it was just nice to see then being human about the whole thing.
So finally, I think it's not just me. This is great. Now I can sit back and relax instead of being frightened to say a word that might imply something!

Yowza



WELCOME !!!

don't worry here you can tell all the words you want ! :)
I'm sure you're gonna enjoy this family...we take a good care of our two little kids S&J :D

and just to let you know here the main sentence is


SAM AND JACK FOREVER !!!

ColonelWilliams
May 2nd, 2005, 07:54 PM
Whew! I'm glad I found you guys. I don't post to forums very often, mostly because I tend to be a bit shippy and have found myself getting battered for that. I've just been reading one of the Stargate novels and was really glad that they didn't pretent there was nothing between Sam and Jack. I mean, it was just nice to see then being human about the whole thing.
So finally, I think it's not just me. This is great. Now I can sit back and relax instead of being frightened to say a word that might imply something!

Yowza

Welcome, That's how i felt when i found this thread lol ;)

Lida
May 2nd, 2005, 08:04 PM
OK, I just watched Divide and Conquer, again, and everytime I see it, I start to cry when Jack finally admits his feelings for Sam, and vice versa. I know, I'm a wimp......but don't you think that show really solidified the fact that Jack and Sam had deep feelings for each other, but knew they were not able to act upon them? I know it was only Season 4 and sometimes, romance between major characters in a series can spell the kiss of death and I know Air Force regs got in the way, but couldn't TPTB work something out?

It's now the end of season 8 and they are still not together. How much longer do we have to wait?????? As a former Scaper (I still love it), I was in agony when Aeryn and John split, but it was sheer heaven when they finally got together and married. Now I know the series ended.....BUT, with Jack leaving this upcoming season, after making only 2 appearances, couldn't we at least have an off screen romance??? PLEASE??????????

OK, I'll be quiet now.......(quietly sniffs and shuffles off to her room, for a box of tissues).

majorsal
May 2nd, 2005, 08:13 PM
a nice little fantasy played out for me while i was taking a bath. i 'think' this scenario's been done here before, actually, but here goes...

fun seaon 9 speculation

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It's Sam's return ep. Sam, Gen Landry, Teal'c, Mitchell, and Daniel are all in the briefingroom, discussing their upcoming mission. As the briefing ends, and everyone begins to get up from their seats, Landry says...

Landry: "So, Colonel, do you want to go by Carter, Carter-O'Neill, or O'Neill?"

Sam's taken aback a moment, and quickly glances at Daniel. She grins, seeing Daniel's frown grow into surprise.

Sam: "Carter will be just fine." She glances at Daniel again and grins more. "For now at least. It'll probably be easier on everyone here anyways."

Daniel: "Uh, Sam.... uh.... "

Sam: "Daniel, close your mouth, it's getting dusty in there."

Daniel: "But-- "

Sam: "I'll explain everything, but in the commissary." She holds up a hand. "Food first, Daniel, then I'll spill the beans." She glances at Teal'c and Mitchell. "Care to join us?"

Mitchell: "Oh, I wouldn't miss this for the world."

Teal'c: "Indeed."

Daniel mumbles.

Sam chuckles.


~~~

I just like the idea of this being sprung on everyone like this, that Sam and Jack got married! :D


Sally :D

sg1rox
May 2nd, 2005, 08:24 PM
Hey all!!!

Thank you for the warm welcome, everyone! *hugs*

For the rumors about the travel between Canada & So Cal regarding RDA & the show I believe I got that from some article w/ Michale Shanks... But I can't remember exactly... If I find it again, I'll be sure to let you know... We know he's in, at least, 2 episodes... My remark about 6 eps was a wishful thinking thing of my own making... If they're willing to "come to him" to film stuff when he can't make it up to Canada, maybe they can work out a deal for a few more eps & we can see him from time to time & they'll "REALLY" do something about Sam & Jack (I hope, I hope, I hope)... Make some REAL progress...

It's nice to see there's another California based fan out there (Sally)!

Uber
May 2nd, 2005, 09:08 PM
It was interesting listening to the audio commentaries for Lost City, when they're discussing Sam/Jack and when they first noticed it. I think RCC said it was the scenes from Out of Mind with Jack looking at her back and of course the hall scene...and of course Into the Fire with the hug...and with that scene, he said when they were watching the playback that they were like "well wait a minute now!"

So it's neat to see that this is where they (TPTB) felt the definite vibe between Sam and Jack...

Lida
May 2nd, 2005, 09:18 PM
a nice little fantasy played out for me while i was taking a bath. i 'think' this scenario's been done here before, actually, but here goes...

fun seaon 9 speculation

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It's Sam's return ep. Sam, Gen Landry, Teal'c, Mitchell, and Daniel are all in the briefingroom, discussing their upcoming mission. As the briefing ends, and everyone begins to get up from their seats, Landry says...

Landry: "So, Colonel, do you want to go by Carter, Carter-O'Neill, or O'Neill?"

Sam's taken aback a moment, and quickly glances at Daniel. She grins, seeing Daniel's frown grow into surprise.

Sam: "Carter will be just fine." She glances at Daniel again and grins more. "For now at least. It'll probably be easier on everyone here anyways."

Daniel: "Uh, Sam.... uh.... "

Sam: "Daniel, close your mouth, it's getting dusty in there."

Daniel: "But-- "

Sam: "I'll explain everything, but in the commissary." She holds up a hand. "Food first, Daniel, then I'll spill the beans." She glances at Teal'c and Mitchell. "Care to join us?"

Mitchell: "Oh, I wouldn't miss this for the world."

Teal'c: "Indeed."

Daniel mumbles.

Sam chuckles.


~~~

I just like the idea of this being sprung on everyone like this, that Sam and Jack got married! :D


Sally :D


I LOVE IT!!!!!!! Quick, email this to TPTB, right now, this instant!!! That's an order! Hop to it?

Well, did you email yet????? (taps her foot) :D

LadyJeep
May 2nd, 2005, 09:32 PM
I have been a Sam/Jack shipper since I started watching SG1 so long ago. And I finally found a safe place to admit to this addiction. I have to agree with Ayowza, there definitely are places it is dangerous to go if you are a shipper. Thank goodness for this thread. I am a true believer that Sam and Jack will eventually get together.

We were told at the Vancouver Con that RDA asked that Jack O'neill not be written out so he could come back at a later date. So there's always Hope!

Gatetrixer
May 2nd, 2005, 10:23 PM
I have been a Sam/Jack shipper since I started watching SG1 so long ago. And I finally found a safe place to admit to this addiction. I have to agree with Ayowza, there definitely are places it is dangerous to go if you are a shipper. Thank goodness for this thread. I am a true believer that Sam and Jack will eventually get together.

We were told at the Vancouver Con that RDA asked that Jack O'neill not be written out so he could come back at a later date. So there's always Hope!

Wow, someone really said that aloud about RDA!! Great! Was it a writer or one of the actors? I know on JM's thread a fan proposed that if the series was going to kill off characters that it would be very dramatic to kill off Jack. (sob) JM replied that Rick wouldn't like that and then he added,( tongue in cheek, I hope) except maybe if he were handed a script with that in it, he would go along .

Gatetrixer
May 2nd, 2005, 10:26 PM
Where can I find Carmen A.'s comments about who he thinks would be the best for Sam? I've looked a bit(probably not thoroughly enough) in GW for it, but didn't see any CA interviews.

sg1rox
May 2nd, 2005, 11:48 PM
It was interesting listening to the audio commentaries for Lost City, when they're discussing Sam/Jack and when they first noticed it. I think RCC said it was the scenes from Out of Mind with Jack looking at her back and of course the hall scene...and of course Into the Fire with the hug...and with that scene, he said when they were watching the playback that they were like "well wait a minute now!"

So it's neat to see that this is where they (TPTB) felt the definite vibe between Sam and Jack...

Yeah!!! :D

I was mentioning something about that earlier... It was like they were saying that RDA & AT were actualy responsible, in the way that they decided to play all those scenes (him looking at her back... the way she reacted when he pulled her into him when they were hiding from the Jafa in the hallway... the hug & etc)... It seemed as though they were saying that stuff wasn't scripted.... RDA & AT started it all & then they (TPTB) decided to run w/ it (& drag it all as looooooong as possible & toture us w/ angst galore... LOL) after that...

But I still say the sparks flew from the very begining (from the 1st meeting in the briefing room) ;) ...

sg1rox
May 2nd, 2005, 11:58 PM
I have been a Sam/Jack shipper since I started watching SG1 so long ago. And I finally found a safe place to admit to this addiction. I have to agree with Ayowza, there definitely are places it is dangerous to go if you are a shipper. Thank goodness for this thread. I am a true believer that Sam and Jack will eventually get together.

We were told at the Vancouver Con that RDA asked that Jack O'neill not be written out so he could come back at a later date. So there's always Hope!

Yeah, LadyJeep... I know what you mean... I'm so happyto have found this place :) . I wish I would have found it sooner (& started posting sooner)... I've noticed how crazy some of the non-shippers can get... I'm mean geesh!!! :eek: It's cool to have different opinions & be able to discuss them openly but some of them get down right hostile!!! Whats up with that?!?!?!?! :mad:

I just think that they've (TPTB/the show in general/RDA & AT) have shown over & over that they're (S/J) meant to be together :) (all the AU & etc...)... I will keep my optimistic view point that they plan on resolving it, in the end... But I think they're gonna milk it for all it's worth along the way (& make us suffer!!!!!!!! UGH :( )...

That's nice to know that extra info about him asking not to be written out... I guess that it means that he meant to show up again from the get go, eh? Cool! :D :cool:

majorsal
May 3rd, 2005, 12:02 AM
I LOVE IT!!!!!!! Quick, email this to TPTB, right now, this instant!!! That's an order! Hop to it?

Well, did you email yet????? (taps her foot) :D

yes, ma'am! :p

i can't rep you, so i'm saying thanks. ;)


sally :D

Myrth
May 3rd, 2005, 12:06 AM
Just on the info about them filming with RDA in LA.. I read that too.. it was Michael Shanks.. but for the filmingin LA thing they were talking about scenes for the new video game (which looks frickin awesome!) Stargate: Alliance..

Meanwhile.. I'm hoping they put the ability in the game to have Sam & Jack run off to a tent in some of the missions.... given it'll be co-op and 4 people can go through the whole thing as the 4 team members... tents ahoy!!
;)

And also.. feeling the need to chime in on the when the ship began thing. I took those comments as it started then for those particular people. I think the ship was on the cards from the start. In an old interview Amanda is talking about her audition etc.. she was saying right at the end they got her to stand on the stage with Richard Dean Anderson so TPTB could see what they looked like together. She said they put their arms around each other and she made a crack about it being the swimsuit section (ok I love that story)... my point being.. I think they were casting for Sam & Jack to look good together, which means somewhere in there was the idea of a ship... and lemme tell you they did a damned fine job on their actor choice... :D

sg1rox
May 3rd, 2005, 12:13 AM
I'm hoping they put the ability in the game to have Sam & Jack run off to a tent in some of the missions.... given it'll be co-op and 4 people can go through the whole thing as the 4 team members... tents ahoy!!
;)

LOL.... Ooooooohhhhhh.... We could make virtual reality scenes that could put some of the PG17/R/whatever rated Fan-Fics to shame :o ! Bwahahahahahaha *evil laugh*.... Wait! Can I substitute myself for Sam from time to time? JK.. LOL... ;)

Myrth
May 3rd, 2005, 12:20 AM
A little code hack here, some manipulation there.... I'm sure it could be done!!

As a PWP/Smutfic writer... I'd be interested to see every damn smut cliche challenged in perfectly rendered 3D environments!!

:D



LOL.... Ooooooohhhhhh.... We could make virtual reality scenes that could put some of the PG17/R/whatever rated Fan-Fics to shame :o ! Bwahahahahahaha *evil laugh*.... Wait! Can I substitute myself for Sam from time to time? JK.. LOL... ;)

Lunar
May 3rd, 2005, 12:53 AM
I'm still worried that S9 will see S/J ship completely, entirely and utterly ignored. As in 'What happened to the Tollans?' 'How's Cassie doing after Heroes?' ignored. I know that a lot of fans may want that, seeing the ship and the twisted path it took through the latter half of S7 into 8 it took with the addition of :eek: and the female :eek: or being generally against it for various reasons anyway from the start... but I'm not one of them!! I can't stand the thought of us not knowing anything. I know it's better than knowing that they definitely didn't get together, but I think that'll be obvious anyway once Orlin, Bartlett and Joe turn up in the space of a few episodes... :( :( :(

Oma-1
May 3rd, 2005, 01:36 AM
Whew! I'm glad I found you guys. I don't post to forums very often, mostly because I tend to be a bit shippy and have found myself getting battered for that. I've just been reading one of the Stargate novels and was really glad that they didn't pretent there was nothing between Sam and Jack. I mean, it was just nice to see then being human about the whole thing.
So finally, I think it's not just me. This is great. Now I can sit back and relax instead of being frightened to say a word that might imply something!

Yowza

Howdy Yowza!

Imply away - in fact, you can shout it out loud here :D

Welcome to the Family (((((((hugs)))))))

Oma-1
May 3rd, 2005, 01:39 AM
a nice little fantasy played out for me while i was taking a bath. i 'think' this scenario's been done here before, actually, but here goes...

fun seaon 9 speculation

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It's Sam's return ep. Sam, Gen Landry, Teal'c, Mitchell, and Daniel are all in the briefingroom, discussing their upcoming mission. As the briefing ends, and everyone begins to get up from their seats, Landry says...

Landry: "So, Colonel, do you want to go by Carter, Carter-O'Neill, or O'Neill?"

Sam's taken aback a moment, and quickly glances at Daniel. She grins, seeing Daniel's frown grow into surprise.

Sam: "Carter will be just fine." She glances at Daniel again and grins more. "For now at least. It'll probably be easier on everyone here anyways."

Daniel: "Uh, Sam.... uh.... "

Sam: "Daniel, close your mouth, it's getting dusty in there."

Daniel: "But-- "

Sam: "I'll explain everything, but in the commissary." She holds up a hand. "Food first, Daniel, then I'll spill the beans." She glances at Teal'c and Mitchell. "Care to join us?"

Mitchell: "Oh, I wouldn't miss this for the world."

Teal'c: "Indeed."

Daniel mumbles.

Sam chuckles.


~~~

I just like the idea of this being sprung on everyone like this, that Sam and Jack got married! :D


Sally :D
(((Sally))) Who cares if this scenario's been done before? It's one of those classics like that we like to see again and again and again and again..... :p

Right everyone? ;)

Oma-1
May 3rd, 2005, 01:41 AM
It was interesting listening to the audio commentaries for Lost City, when they're discussing Sam/Jack and when they first noticed it. I think RCC said it was the scenes from Out of Mind with Jack looking at her back and of course the hall scene...and of course Into the Fire with the hug...and with that scene, he said when they were watching the playback that they were like "well wait a minute now!"

So it's neat to see that this is where they (TPTB) felt the definite vibe between Sam and Jack...
Well, they are only men. You have to forgive them sometimes for being slow to spot the ship :p They only wrote it in COTG :rolleyes:

Considering they only noticed in S3, they did pretty well to get so quick on the case for S4. I'm quite impressed. It's just a pity they carry it on ....

*I really need to watch LC commentary :S*

Oma-1
May 3rd, 2005, 01:45 AM
I have been a Sam/Jack shipper since I started watching SG1 so long ago. And I finally found a safe place to admit to this addiction. I have to agree with Ayowza, there definitely are places it is dangerous to go if you are a shipper. Thank goodness for this thread. I am a true believer that Sam and Jack will eventually get together.

We were told at the Vancouver Con that RDA asked that Jack O'neill not be written out so he could come back at a later date. So there's always Hope!
Another Newbie :D I must have missed your entrance into the fray, so

Happy Belated Welcome to the Family :D

I always like it when someone posts that bit of info. Gives us hope that he'll be back for Season 10 (or 11 :p ) or at the very least, a few more guest eps in the coming seasons (I remain hopeful that there will be more than S9 ;) )

ayowza
May 3rd, 2005, 02:31 AM
Thanks for the welcome, nice to be here.
I'm not desperate to see them together so much as I think that once the characters developed in this direction, it added an extra dimension to them. I mean, until then, Sam's character seemed a bit singular, taking on the role as scientist/soldier with no thoughts or feelings beyond what we saw of her in a work environment. I have always seen this 'thing' between them as very respectful, the ultimate compliment to each other as professionals, but when iot comes down to it, a very human thing. The Zaytarc testing brought it home to them, and to us, the viewers. So why the frothing at the mouth by anti-shippers? IMHO it's because they know as well as we do, that it's real, otherwise why object so strenuously and claim it's not? If they didn't see it, they'd have nothing to object to. I think all the frothing is because it *is* there and for some reason they just don't want these characters to be human, they want them to be automated soldiers.

I personally *loved* Moebius. Not the alt Sam/Jack, that was just plain funny, but the fact that she finally did go fishing with him. It doesn't matter that Daniel and Teal'c were there with them, it was just the way they talked, the way they were relaxing. Most importantly, the way Sam was loving every bit of it. I know it's not what a lot of people wanted, but it felt right, comfortable.

Whew! Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, hoping I won't be flayed alive for venturing an opinion!

Ayowza.

wynter
May 3rd, 2005, 02:59 AM
hello my shipper family,

wow been a long time,i have been away so i have missed you guys so much,but i just haven't had the time to log on!

hope every-one is doing good and welcome to all the newbies that i have missed.

i have been doing the usual when i do have 5 mins and thats watching all me sam and jack moments!

Its funny really i have a similar situation in work at the moment,my manager and i have been close friends in work for over a year,we respect each other as work friends as well as friends outside of work.The last couple of months though we have admitted their are feelings but we can't act on them as it's againest work regs and people wouldn't be happy,but god it's hard!

Now i know how sam and jack feel but they are together nearly every second of the day,plus been working together for 8 years,I just pray that they finally do give in as i think Jack has had enough and wants the love just as much as sam but jack would be the one to move (reduced episodes for RDA).

I have been reading the books of stargate and they are fantastic esp sally reeve,and trial by fire,gives me extra stargate moments.

Does any-body know when sg1 aires in America?

quick hi to CATY and the rest of the gang:D .

see you later,

WYNTERXX

Alaskhah
May 3rd, 2005, 03:28 AM
:) No, I agree with you ayowza! I think the best *shippy* moments come when Sam & Jack are just being Sam & Jack... not Col. Carter & Gen. O'Neill, although I love those characters, and would watch them even if there was no ship between them (the whole "will they or won't they" thing does get old, however...). The unguardedness between them in those moments really does give us a better idea of who they are.

I could probably expound and give a more in-depth answer, but it's late & my brain won't function that far...Hopefully this all makes sense! :P

wynter
May 3rd, 2005, 03:37 AM
you know that episode when jack gets back from baal's prison and is laying in the hospital bed,can't remember the name of the episode,Daniel is talking to jack as he has ascended and daniel says to jack along the lines ' you will ok jack' to where jack says 'how do you know' as he says that sam walks in to give jack some water and daniel gives a smile,did i dream that our did something like that happened?

I have visions of Daniel and Teal'c having a conversation about sam and jack where daniel has just found out that they are having a relatioship!

daniel; you mean to tell me that sam and jack....jack and sam are....are what exactly?

teal'c; daniel jackson i have known for some time that there were feelings there for one another,but the tauri are foolish people they take their time to show where heart should lay.

daniel; but when did i miss all that i was only gone for 1 year.....

Teal'c is such a shipper,and bless daniel to miss it all the time

wynterxx

shelsfc
May 3rd, 2005, 04:26 AM
you know that episode when jack gets back from baal's prison and is laying in the hospital bed,can't remember the name of the episode,Daniel is talking to jack as he has ascended and daniel says to jack along the lines ' you will ok jack' to where jack says 'how do you know' as he says that sam walks in to give jack some water and daniel gives a smile,did i dream that our did something like that happened?

<snip>


That's Abyss, but when Jack asks him how does he know, he says 'You're just gonna have to trust me' and Jack replies 'I think I can do that'
There's also a short discussion about why Daniel isn't sticking around, but I can't remember if it's before or after that.

Oma-1
May 3rd, 2005, 04:27 AM
you know that episode when jack gets back from baal's prison and is laying in the hospital bed,can't remember the name of the episode,Daniel is talking to jack as he has ascended and daniel says to jack along the lines ' you will ok jack' to where jack says 'how do you know' as he says that sam walks in to give jack some water and daniel gives a smile,did i dream that our did something like that happened?

I have visions of Daniel and Teal'c having a conversation about sam and jack where daniel has just found out that they are having a relatioship!

daniel; you mean to tell me that sam and jack....jack and sam are....are what exactly?

teal'c; daniel jackson i have known for some time that there were feelings there for one another,but the tauri are foolish people they take their time to show where heart should lay.

daniel; but when did i miss all that i was only gone for 1 year.....

Teal'c is such a shipper,and bless daniel to miss it all the time

wynterxx
You're not imagining it Wynter :p It's S6 Abyss. We had a big discussion a week or so ago about this ep and someone posted a link to a fab vid. I'll have a hunt it out for you :)

ayowza
May 3rd, 2005, 05:11 AM
Its funny really i have a similar situation in work at the moment,my manager and i have been close friends in work for over a year,we respect each other as work friends as well as friends outside of work.The last couple of months though we have admitted their are feelings but we can't act on them as it's againest work regs and people wouldn't be happy,but god it's hard!

Now i know how sam and jack feel but they are together nearly every second of the day,plus been working together for 8 years,I just pray that they finally do give in as i think Jack has had enough and wants the love just as much as sam but jack would be the one to move (reduced episodes for RDA).

I have been reading the books of stargate and they are fantastic esp sally reeve,and trial by fire,gives me extra stargate moments.


WYNTERXX[/QUOTE]

Ouch, yeah, that whole working together thing must be very, very hard. Still, you at least know it's there, and that it's mutual. You have that much, which is so much better than not knowing, and it's sort of a nice, private thing for the two of you. Makes coming to work every day extra special.

I must admit, I got onto the book thing at Christmas and really, really enjoyed them. I think I like the current one at the moment the most because we actually do see that Sam and Jack really think things about each other. Just in case this is a spoiler, I'll do it in white. Highlight the next bit if you want to read it.
I was just really happy to see that when each thought the other one was dead, both of them were torn up, big time, with a lot of regrets. That let us see what they really felt about each other. That's really upset a lot of non-shippers on the group that I was on. Too bad.
I guess this has been discussed to death, but since I'm new here, and I haven't been able to mention this elsewhere, I just have to say I was absolutely overjoyed to see Sam take Jack's hand in Threads and rub her thumb against it. I mean, wow, that was *not* platonic. Platonic friends don't normally touch each other quite like that!

Yowza

John_Sheppard
May 3rd, 2005, 05:12 AM
OKay ... I'm blonde!

So, let me just clarify ... Daniel and Teal'c never had that conversationg - right?

Hmm!

And, lol to the coment about you thinking you imagined it, welcome to my world. It did happen though, I remember that.

Rogue
May 3rd, 2005, 05:47 AM
hello my shipper family,

wow been a long time,i have been away so i have missed you guys so much,but i just haven't had the time to log on!

hope every-one is doing good and welcome to all the newbies that i have missed.

i have been doing the usual when i do have 5 mins and thats watching all me sam and jack moments!

Its funny really i have a similar situation in work at the moment,my manager and i have been close friends in work for over a year,we respect each other as work friends as well as friends outside of work.The last couple of months though we have admitted their are feelings but we can't act on them as it's againest work regs and people wouldn't be happy,but god it's hard!

Now i know how sam and jack feel but they are together nearly every second of the day,plus been working together for 8 years,I just pray that they finally do give in as i think Jack has had enough and wants the love just as much as sam but jack would be the one to move (reduced episodes for RDA).

I have been reading the books of stargate and they are fantastic esp sally reeve,and trial by fire,gives me extra stargate moments.

Does any-body know when sg1 aires in America?

quick hi to CATY and the rest of the gang:D .

see you later,

WYNTERXX

To add to your comment, I think that one of the reasons Jack and Sam started to pull away from each other in season 8 was that they were not spending time together on the base/off world like they use to. Besides going on missions together, he probably hung around her lab and they ate lunch together. As General he probably didn't have the time plus he had to be careful about appearances. Since they couldn't spend time together off base either they started to drift apart. I think that is why Pete hung around so long and Kerry came into the picture. They were lonely.

girlgater
May 3rd, 2005, 05:51 AM
Morning everyone!

Poor Daniel, he always has horrible timing and is totally dense when it comes to seeing how Jack and Sam feel for each other. In WoO last night at the end when he asks Jack if while in the loops he ever did anything just because he knew he could, and then Jack gives Sam that look...Daniel just couldn't figure it out. Glad Teal'c is around; perhaps he even ran interference for Sam/Jack during the looping! (Who knows?)

By the way...my 15 year-old son, who is in trouble for his grades and thought it best to spend some time with Mom, watched WoO with me. After it went off, I asked him...so is there something going on between Sam/Jack? He answered--without hesitation--"Oh, Mom...come on, he resigned just so he could make out with her"! Isn't it sweet! I think I may have converted him! ;)

Welcome ayowza!

Happy day everyone!

pittsburghgirl
May 3rd, 2005, 05:53 AM
To add to your comment, I think that one of the reasons Jack and Sam started to pull away from each other in season 8 was that they were not spending time together on the base/off world like they use to. Besides going on missions together, he probably hung around her lab and they ate lunch together. As General he probably didn't have the time plus he had to be careful about appearances. Since they couldn't spend time together off base either they started to drift apart. I think that is why Pete hung around so long and Kerry came into the picture. They were lonely.
there is no question that loneliness had a lot to do with it-and you can be alone in a crowd. If you think that RDA's portrait of General Jack as bitter, lonely and angry man is on purpose-there is a lot that is going on-but what bugged me about season 8 is that I really think that Jack bordered on really "hating" Sam. Now what is that all about??? I love you so much-I hate you for it? I really don't know. Season 8 was very puzzeling with their interactions. And I still cannot account for what made them turn to each other in Threads-but that...as they say is another ball of wax.

Rogue
May 3rd, 2005, 06:04 AM
there is no question that loneliness had a lot to do with it-and you can be alone in a crowd. If you think that RDA's portrait of General Jack as bitter, lonely and angry man is on purpose-there is a lot that is going on-but what bugged me about season 8 is that I really think that Jack bordered on really "hating" Sam. Now what is that all about??? I love you so much-I hate you for it? I really don't know. Season 8 was very puzzeling with their interactions. And I still cannot account for what made them turn to each other in Threads-but that...as they say is another ball of wax.

Well there is no doubt he was a ass. I think he was angry with Sam but he didn't have the guts to step up to the plate. So intead of fighting for the one he loves, he gets a young girlfriend. Go figure. Yeah and don't get me started on Threads, this whole J/S relationship storyline had so many holes in it.

Rogue
May 3rd, 2005, 06:10 AM
Morning everyone!

Poor Daniel, he always has horrible timing and is totally dense when it comes to seeing how Jack and Sam feel for each other. In WoO last night at the end when he asks Jack if while in the loops he ever did anything just because he knew he could, and then Jack gives Sam that look...Daniel just couldn't figure it out. Glad Teal'c is around; perhaps he even ran interference for Sam/Jack during the looping! (Who knows?)

By the way...my 15 year-old son, who is in trouble for his grades and thought it best to spend some time with Mom, watched WoO with me. After it went off, I asked him...so is there something going on between Sam/Jack? He answered--without hesitation--"Oh, Mom...come on, he resigned just so he could make out with her"! Isn't it sweet! I think I may have converted him! ;)


Welcome ayowza!

Happy day everyone!

Yeah, my 11 yr old daughter asked me the other day. Is Sam and Jack ever going to get together because they kinda like each other? I told her well I think they already have if you can read between the lines. She hasn't seen Threads or Moebius I/II, but they are so vague I don't think she would have come to the conclusion they are together.

girlgater
May 3rd, 2005, 06:14 AM
I think Jack was angry in general as follows:

1 - mad at the regulations keeping them apart
2 - mad at himself for not giving it all up for her
3 - mad at Sam for getting with Pete
4 - mad at Sam for not asking him to resign/or resigning herself

He's bound to have been frustrated with the entire situation. He knew that Sam had feelings for him and of course he cared for her, but there was nothing either one of them could do. Sam was a little better off, but still twisted, because she convinced herself that Pete was the answer to everything--when in truth, he wasn't.

sueKay
May 3rd, 2005, 06:21 AM
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pittsburghgirl
May 3rd, 2005, 06:23 AM
I think Jack was angry in general as follows:

1 - mad at the regulations keeping them apart
2 - mad at himself for not giving it all up for her
3 - mad at Sam for getting with Pete
4 - mad at Sam for not asking him to resign/or resigning herself

He's bound to have been frustrated with the entire situation. He knew that Sam had feelings for him and of course he cared for her, but there was nothing either one of them could do. Sam was a little better off, but still twisted, because she convinced herself that Pete was the answer to everything--when in truth, he wasn't.
you bring up points i agree with but does anyone remember in threads when Halucination Jack asked her "Why don't you ask, if you really wanna know?"-hows come that was glossed over. Her subconscious mind challenged her-why don't you ask him and find out what is going on. She ignored that tiny little voice that spoke such loud words.

sueKay
May 3rd, 2005, 06:25 AM
Heya!

Well...This weekend was horrible (apart from going out with some girlfriends) RLs been horrid...and I never got my computer back until last night...sans Modem :( :( *cries*

I've no longer got internet access at home, meaning I won't be online at all at the weekends (unless I finally get a modem)

Good news - my computer is virus free and my graphics programs are working again!!!!!!!!

Woo hoo!

Now I gotta go...speak to you all tomorrow!

WELCOME TO ALL THE NEWBIES!
WELCOME BACK EVERYONE WHO'S COME BACK!!!!!!

POWER TO DA SHIPPAS!!!!!!!!!!

Rogue
May 3rd, 2005, 06:49 AM
you bring up points i agree with but does anyone remember in threads when Halucination Jack asked her "Why don't you ask, if you really wanna know?"-hows come that was glossed over. Her subconscious mind challenged her-why don't you ask him and find out what is going on. She ignored that tiny little voice that spoke such loud words.

I think she was afraid of the answer. Grace If he said he loved her and wanted to be with her then who is going to give up their job. If he said he didn't have feelings for her, she would be hurt and didn't want to handle rejection. I think she looked at Jack as a no win situation.

pittsburghgirl
May 3rd, 2005, 06:51 AM
I think she was afraid of the answer. Grace If he said he loved her and wanted to be with her then who is going to give up their job. If he said he didn't have feelings for her, she would be hurt and didn't want to handle rejection. I think she looked at Jack as a no win situation.
ya know-that is a real good answer. But to pick Pete as a consolation prize. I suppose that to be 'fair'-they maybe really wanted pete to be a nice guy-but they blew it with sub-par writing and acting. How many of us would really feel sorry for him by Threads if he was actually very good to and for Sam?

Myrth
May 3rd, 2005, 07:02 AM
Just an off the cuff thought... is it possible no-one really warmed (and that's polite phrasing) to Pete because he was written not to be liked? He was the nice guy no-one liked.... you can't acheive that in writing without some thought and planning.... surely... so that begs the question why?

The answer is obvious to me.. but I thought it was an interesting idea :D

pittsburghgirl
May 3rd, 2005, 07:04 AM
Just an off the cuff thought... is it possible no-one really warmed (and that's polite phrasing) to Pete because he was written not to be liked? He was the nice guy no-one liked.... you can't acheive that in writing without some thought and planning.... surely... so that begs the question why?

The answer is obvious to me.. but I thought it was an interesting idea :D
K-that is a valid point but...why do I feel that the whole backlash against Pete and the way he was written and portrayed was taken so personally by the Boys in Vancouver??? I could understand Pete to be a one-hit wonder-but I believe-and it is only my opinion-that they took the rejection very personally and shoved the character down our throats. And they didn't even take our concerns about his actions seriously enough-hence the joke about his stalking her in Affinity.

Lida
May 3rd, 2005, 07:11 AM
Just an off the cuff thought... is it possible no-one really warmed (and that's polite phrasing) to Pete because he was written not to be liked? He was the nice guy no-one liked.... you can't acheive that in writing without some thought and planning.... surely... so that begs the question why?

The answer is obvious to me.. but I thought it was an interesting idea :D

I remember reading many quotes, where people stated they liked Pete, and were FOR the relationship. I wasn't one of them, but I don't think Pete was intentionally written to be disliked. I just think, that after 8 years, all Shippers just didn't accept Sam with anyone else. Personally, I think he was too immature and clingy for Sam, but that's just my opinion.

Now IF Pete was written to be disliked, it could have been to stir up the fans, and guess what? It worked. TPTB are human and from what I've seen, they all have a sense of humor, so perhaps it was their way of making us squirm and get a laugh at the same time. :rolleyes:

I'm just glad she finally saw the light....... :)

Rogue
May 3rd, 2005, 07:37 AM
ya know-that is a real good answer. But to pick Pete as a consolation prize. I suppose that to be 'fair'-they maybe really wanted pete to be a nice guy-but they blew it with sub-par writing and acting. How many of us would really feel sorry for him by Threads if he was actually very good to and for Sam?

Threads

I felt sorry for Pete when he meet Jacob. Sam put him in a bad situation without telling him he was meeting her Dad. He came off looking like a idiot. Jacob had already made up his mind before he met the guy that he wasn't the one for Sam.

I didn't feel sorry for him after the breakup. Pete pretty much admitted that Sam was way out of his league. He knew there were problems. It is usually the woman pushing the man to help with the wedding, not the other way around. I think him buying the house was a way to keep her in the relationship. I think he was in a hurry to get her to the alter before she changed her mind.

dmovies
May 3rd, 2005, 07:43 AM
Does anyone know if Amanda started work on the SG1 set yesterday? Or since Olivia was a week late in coming, does she start next Monday? Really would like to know.

pittsburghgirl
May 3rd, 2005, 07:43 AM
Threads

I felt sorry for Pete when he meet Jacob. Sam put him in a bad situation without telling him he was meeting her Dad. He came off looking like a idiot. Jacob had already made up his mind before he met the guy that he wasn't the one for Sam.

I didn't feel sorry for him after the breakup. Pete pretty much admitted that Sam was way out of his league. He knew there were problems. It is usually the woman pushing the man to help with the wedding, not the other way around. I think him buying the house was a way to keep her in the relationship. I think he was in a hurry to get her to the alter before she changed her mind.
that could entirely be possible-but the whole setup in Threads didn't make much sense to me anyway-but this show is real big on not dealing with consequences and ramifications-so what they hey.

but as far as Sam and emotional issues-she is, as she told Jonas he was in Metamorphis a chickensh**t

sg-1fanintn
May 3rd, 2005, 07:43 AM
Hello, there.....and welcome back to our happy place, everyone! Despite GW's outages, I was beginning to wonder where you all were!

pittsburghgirl, you are so right!


there is no question that loneliness had a lot to do with it-and you can be alone in a crowd. If you think that RDA's portrait of General Jack as bitter, lonely and angry man is on purpose-there is a lot that is going on-but what bugged me about season 8 is that I really think that Jack bordered on really "hating" Sam. Now what is that all about??? I love you so much-I hate you for it? I really don't know. Season 8 was very puzzeling with their interactions. And I still cannot account for what made them turn to each other in Threads-but that...as they say is another ball of wax.

There's a very thin line between love and hate, they say. Think of Jack as we first knew him eight years ago. He was very bitter, lonely and angry after losing his son and his wife. But time is a great healer, and his time at the SGC gave him new focus and energy. A lot of that has to do with his feelings for Sam. I think in his mind, he always intended to do something about it.....when the time was "right." Then, when she found Pete, the old lonely, angry Jack returned, because Jack thought he had lost his chance to have a life with her. Pete and Kerry were mistakes, and I think TPTB put them in there to try and convince some of the non-shippers that the J/S relationship wasn't so bad after all.

Also, Jack knew why Sam came to his house that day. He heard enough to know what she would have said, if Kerry hadn't been there. He knew she was reaching out to him. So, realizing the time had come when he could no longer ignore it, he reached out to her in the infirmary. And he's making plans to retire, so he can really be with her!!!!!!

I had a shorter version of Sally's idea for when AT returns:

(Scene: SGC Conference Room. Gen. Landry is there with Daniel, Teal'c and Cam for an SG-1 briefing)

Landry: I'm sorry to make you wait. Colonel O'Neill will be here shortly.

Daniel: Colonel O'Neill? We haven't had a Colonel O'Neill here in a couple of years, General.

Sam (coming through door): Well, you do now.....but why don't we just stay with Carter, General? It'll probably be a lot easier for everyone.

Wouldn't that rock?????!!!!! But I doubt she and Jack would run off and get married without telling Daniel and Teal'c, so.....

Please, hear us, PTB! If you just let us know that Sam & Jack are together, we can accept Cam and the new direction of the show! If they're not together, the whole thing will just leave us unhappy, disillusioned and unable to accept the changes! Please don't disenfranchise us!!!

pittsburghgirl
May 3rd, 2005, 07:51 AM
Please, hear us, PTB! If you just let us know that Sam & Jack are together, we can accept Cam and the new direction of the show! If they're not together, the whole thing will just leave us unhappy, disillusioned and unable to accept the changes! Please don't disenfranchise us!!! (courtesty of sg-1fanintn)

yeah, i agree with you on the above statement.
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Lida
May 3rd, 2005, 08:10 AM
Does anyone know if Amanda started work on the SG1 set yesterday? Or since Olivia was a week late in coming, does she start next Monday? Really would like to know.

As AT has already visited the set WITH Olivia, I would hazard a guess she started filming this week. Hope I'm right! :D

melpomene
May 3rd, 2005, 08:11 AM
Hello, there.....and welcome back to our happy place, everyone! Despite GW's outages, I was beginning to wonder where you all were!

pittsburghgirl, you are so right!



There's a very thin line between love and hate, they say. Think of Jack as we first knew him eight years ago. He was very bitter, lonely and angry after losing his son and his wife. But time is a great healer, and his time at the SGC gave him new focus and energy. A lot of that has to do with his feelings for Sam. I think in his mind, he always intended to do something about it.....when the time was "right." Then, when she found Pete, the old lonely, angry Jack returned, because Jack thought he had lost his chance to have a life with her. Pete and Kerry were mistakes, and I think TPTB put them in there to try and convince some of the non-shippers that the J/S relationship wasn't so bad after all.

Also, Jack knew why Sam came to his house that day. He heard enough to know what she would have said, if Kerry hadn't been there. He knew she was reaching out to him. So, realizing the time had come when he could no longer ignore it, he reached out to her in the infirmary. And he's making plans to retire, so he can really be with her!!!!!!

I had a shorter version of Sally's idea for when AT returns:

(Scene: SGC Conference Room. Gen. Landry is there with Daniel, Teal'c and Cam for an SG-1 briefing)

Landry: I'm sorry to make you wait. Colonel O'Neill will be here shortly.

Daniel: Colonel O'Neill? We haven't had a Colonel O'Neill here in a couple of years, General.

Sam (coming through door): Well, you do now.....but why don't we just stay with Carter, General? It'll probably be a lot easier for everyone.

Wouldn't that rock?????!!!!! But I doubt she and Jack would run off and get married without telling Daniel and Teal'c, so.....



I don't know, thier plenty old enough to elope, and after thier respective marital escapades they might want to keep it simple. adorable idea

sg-1fanintn
May 3rd, 2005, 08:24 AM
I don't know, thier plenty old enough to elope, and after thier respective marital escapades they might want to keep it simple. adorable idea

Good point! I like the way you think! That certainly would resolve the ship quickly and neatly, wouldn't it?

sueKay
May 3rd, 2005, 08:41 AM
I think AT's already back at work...she said that she'd be taking Olivia with her of Alan was at work.

(I'm in the library now)

I'm in the camp that think's Pete's redeemable. I hated his guts after Chimera, but now I think he's okay...I think he has serious issues over his failed marriage, and probably more now after Threads. I believe that he could have been written better and that there was a lot more potential for him...OC TPTB shot that in the foot with Assinity

girlgater
May 3rd, 2005, 08:50 AM
I didn't particularly dislike Pete, he just wasn't for Sam. (We all know who is, though). ;)

By the way...has everyone seen the message regarding reputation points?

pittsburghgirl
May 3rd, 2005, 08:52 AM
I didn't particularly dislike Pete, he just wasn't for Sam. (We all know who is, though). ;)

By the way...has everyone seen the message regarding reputation points?
yes and thankfully they are doing that.

Oma-1
May 3rd, 2005, 09:21 AM
There's a very thin line between love and hate, they say. Think of Jack as we first knew him eight years ago. He was very bitter, lonely and angry after losing his son and his wife. But time is a great healer, and his time at the SGC gave him new focus and energy. A lot of that has to do with his feelings for Sam. I think in his mind, he always intended to do something about it.....when the time was "right." Then, when she found Pete, the old lonely, angry Jack returned, because Jack thought he had lost his chance to have a life with her. Pete and Kerry were mistakes, and I think TPTB put them in there to try and convince some of the non-shippers that the J/S relationship wasn't so bad after all.

Also, Jack knew why Sam came to his house that day. He heard enough to know what she would have said, if Kerry hadn't been there. He knew she was reaching out to him. So, realizing the time had come when he could no longer ignore it, he reached out to her in the infirmary. And he's making plans to retire, so he can really be with her!!!!!!



I agree with so much of this conversation. I think lonely just about sums the whole of the :eek: and Kerry relationships up. But I do think tptb did Sam a great disservice in carrying the :eek: thing too far among other things.

Bear with me here cos I'm groping for something that makes sense :p

We know that Sam has always struggled in her personal relationships because of S1 Jonas and her problems with her Dad. Tptb made her really dysfunctional in that respect.

Jack was always protrayed as a man who found it difficult to come to terms with his emotions, and didn't like to talk about them - dysfunctional again.

Leaving it in the room after D&C was because they were both too committed to the SGC and the fight with the Goa'uld, and because they wouldn't be able to overcome their commitment phobias - not because they weren't sure what they were feeling. I thought in that ep both their feelings were made pretty clear - and their struggle to keep it professional for the rest of S4 certainly bore that perception out.

All the other glimpses of ship in Metamorphosis, Paradise Lost etc just confirmed that those feelings were still there.

So why in Grace did they do a complete U-turn, and make Sam think that her feelings for Jack were an obstruction that was holding her back from finding happiness???? Like we would really believe that everything that had happened between Sam & Jack was a mistake????

OK, so she was fooling herself for a while - but *hello* LOST CITY!!! Sam certainly knew what she was feeling when she went to see Jack, and then in the ship on the way to whatever-it-was-called-proclarush, there was another D&C moment.

Intellectually, I can understand the :eek: fiasco, but no one will ever make me believe in it.

Phew! I don't know where that came from :p

sueKay
May 3rd, 2005, 09:26 AM
What I think would be nice is this

Rather than them having the talk...maybe they could both be at Jack's house (he'd BETTER not sell it) and be watching TV and just not talk...then they could get closer and flirtier and that would be it...the beginning of the relationship...rather than the sit-down-and-talk approach...which hasn't been successful...I don't know if I'm articulating this very well...do you get what I mean??????

pittsburghgirl
May 3rd, 2005, 09:34 AM
I agree with so much of this conversation. I think lonely just about sums the whole of the :eek: and Kerry relationships up. But I do think tptb did Sam a great disservice in carrying the :eek: thing too far among other things.

Bear with me here cos I'm groping for something that makes sense :p

We know that Sam has always struggled in her personal relationships because of S1 Jonas and her problems with her Dad. Tptb made her really dysfunctional in that respect.

Jack was always protrayed as a man who found it difficult to come to terms with his emotions, and didn't like to talk about them - dysfunctional again.

Leaving it in the room after D&C was because they were both too committed to the SGC and the fight with the Goa'uld, and because they wouldn't be able to overcome their commitment phobias - not because they weren't sure what they were feeling. I thought in that ep both their feelings were made pretty clear - and their struggle to keep it professional for the rest of S4 certainly bore that perception out.

All the other glimpses of ship in Metamorphosis, Paradise Lost etc just confirmed that those feelings were still there.

So why in Grace did they do a complete U-turn, and make Sam think that her feelings for Jack were an obstruction that was holding her back from finding happiness???? Like we would really believe that everything that had happened between Sam & Jack was a mistake????

OK, so she was fooling herself for a while - but *hello* LOST CITY!!! Sam certainly knew what she was feeling when she went to see Jack, and then in the ship on the way to whatever-it-was-called-proclarush, there was another D&C moment.

Intellectually, I can understand the :eek: fiasco, but no one will ever make me believe in it.

Phew! I don't know where that came from :p
you pointed out a lot of really good issues-I think Grace was one of those episodes that you saw or heard whatever truth suited you.

I believe that Sam's 'issues' with the men in her life and the men that she has 'chosen' in her life are men that do not seem to be able to give.

Consider-Jonas took. He took her strength, compassion, intellect-leeched off her emotions and her natural compassion. Martouf-took. He took her connection with Jolinar to maintain a connection with a woman he loved-granted, he had become quite found of Sam, but he still took from her emotions. Orin-also took-took advantage of her intellect and her compassion. Narim-need I go on. Even Joe.

Jack-gave. Yeah he is dysfunctional in his own way-but he gave back -gave her his strength, his compassion, his belief, his courage.

A question that I am throwing out-aside from the actors affinity towards each other-what is about Sam and Jack that caught your imagination? What is it about the characters that had us rooting for them from their first scene together.

marimba26
May 3rd, 2005, 10:15 AM
You're not imagining it Wynter :p It's S6 Abyss. We had a big discussion a week or so ago about this ep and someone posted a link to a fab vid. I'll have a hunt it out for you :)

Here's the link again :D

http://www.snyart.com/

The video is her "Abyss Tribute" and if you like her vids also check out "Desire" and her "Go Toward the Light" trailer. "Go Toward the Light" is an excellent by Ruralstar so don't hesitate to check that out either :D

http://www.geocities.com/ruralstar1970/

or you can follow the links to both of these from my site at

www.marimba26.com/JackandSamAlways

Happy shipping! :D

Daniel's_twin
May 3rd, 2005, 10:34 AM
I just got a bad thought. What are we going to do come Season 9? With Jack leaving, there won't be much for ship episodes, will there? :cool:

Lunar
May 3rd, 2005, 10:36 AM
Wading into the wonderful discussion here about Sam/Jack/Other interests (which I've been reading instead of doing homework :rolleyes: )
I was watching Threads (again!) the other day and the following thoughts struck me:
Jack really knows how Sam thinks and feels about things. Pete didn't.
Emotionally, Carter's character has always struck me as being pretty flawed. I've always throught that was a good thing: she's such a brilliant scientist, a model soldier etc that having her emotionally pretty backward made her a little more balanced. She's always struck me as the kind of person that has that little voice inside them that chides her whenever she shows some kind of emotion; she's the kind of person that can't always say what she thinks and feels because she doesn't want to be judged by other people. She's spent all this time in the male-dominated environment of the military that she's constantly worrying about whether her actions are being dismissed by the people who's opinions she values as stupid and wishy-washy... too *feminine.* As if the moment she finally finds 'love' they're going to jump out on her and say 'Aha! We always knew that under that career-soldier exterior there was a romantic dreaming of a white-picket fence waiting to get out!' Which she certainly isn't (not that there's anything wrong with that ambition... but I don't think it's Carter's) and she would *hate* to be 'tarred with that brush.'
With regard to Threads I don't think Carter could ever get that excited about a wedding (even one to Jack!) I don't think she's the kind of person who worries too much about the flavour of the cake or the colour of her dress. I really think that if she and Jack did get married it'd be a very simple kind of ceremony. No fuss, the actual marriage itself would be wonderful enough.
Jack understands her inability to express her emotions because he's a bit of an expert at it himself. For the emotionally-introverted kind of people they are, a simple hug, a little touch, is better than obsessive phone calls and huge bunches of flowers. (Threads) Can you imagine Pete doing the same as Jack in the infirmary as Jacob lay dying? I can't. I see him more as a smothering hug, I'll-do-everything-for-you-while-you're-hurting, you-poor-thing-this-must-be-dreadful kind of person. Sam doesn't like that kind of emotional expression. Jack's simple hug and quiet 'always' do far more for her than anything more demonstrative.
The other thing about Jack is that he's Sam's equal. He gets angry with her for no good reason, he's spiteful and he hurts her. He's not running around trying to always be on her good side. Although the 'nasty' stuff is just that, it's more realistic than a relationship where one partner folds all the time over issues. Crucially, Jack's not in *awe* of her. He loves her more than anything else, he's rather die than live without her and he's proud of her... but he knows she's just a human being like everyone else. He admires her, but he knows she's got her faults. Pete doesn't see them. Jack loves her *inspite* of them.
So what makes Sam good for Jack? Well, I think he's emotionally as backward as she is! He can't stand to be thought of as weak, anymore than she can. Aside from Sam, all of his other love interests in the show have been based around pretty physical relationships. (Not sure about Sarah, but I'd include her in the same bracket as Sam: women he truly loves/d). That's ok, that's 'the blokey' thing to do, right? :rolleyes: But he's been definitely (as in, canonically established rather than simply chemistry between actors/ tension/ random projections! :) )in love with Sam for four years and they've not so much as kissed in the same reality (not counting aline-influenced snogs)! He seems to find 'love' as difficult a concept as she does. That's what makes them a good couple. They're neither of them going to embarass the other by being OTT with romantic gestures.
Another thing is that Sam doesn't like everything about Jack. She know's he's got his faults, his emotional baggage and bad habits. She doesn't *pity* him in anyway, which I always felt was a major problem in her relationship with Pete. He was so in awe of her, she just wished he could see the flawed human being underneath, poor lamb.
Ok, this has been a loooonng ramble. What I initially logged in to ask was that no-one reps me until after May 10th because I have some anonymous (green!) rep and I would really like to know who it was from that's right at the bottom of the list :eek:
:) ((Shipper family)) It's been a long time since I rambled like this.

Myrth
May 4th, 2005, 01:06 AM
See I was watching it again last night.... and completely and totally agreed :D

I know that's a cop out given all the words you used.. but really.. perfect summary of how I see it!



Wading into the wonderful discussion here about Sam/Jack/Other interests (which I've been reading instead of doing homework :rolleyes: )
I was watching Threads (again!) the other day and the following thoughts struck me:
Jack really knows how Sam thinks and feels about things. Pete didn't.
Emotionally, Carter's character has always struck me as being pretty flawed. I've always throught that was a good thing: she's such a brilliant scientist, a model soldier etc that having her emotionally pretty backward made her a little more balanced. She's always struck me as the kind of person that has that little voice inside them that chides her whenever she shows some kind of emotion; she's the kind of person that can't always say what she thinks and feels because she doesn't want to be judged by other people. She's spent all this time in the male-dominated environment of the military that she's constantly worrying about whether her actions are being dismissed by the people who's opinions she values as stupid and wishy-washy... too *feminine.* As if the moment she finally finds 'love' they're going to jump out on her and say 'Aha! We always knew that under that career-soldier exterior there was a romantic dreaming of a white-picket fence waiting to get out!' Which she certainly isn't (not that there's anything wrong with that ambition... but I don't think it's Carter's) and she would *hate* to be 'tarred with that brush.'
With regard to Threads I don't think Carter could ever get that excited about a wedding (even one to Jack!) I don't think she's the kind of person who worries too much about the flavour of the cake or the colour of her dress. I really think that if she and Jack did get married it'd be a very simple kind of ceremony. No fuss, the actual marriage itself would be wonderful enough.
Jack understands her inability to express her emotions because he's a bit of an expert at it himself. For the emotionally-introverted kind of people they are, a simple hug, a little touch, is better than obsessive phone calls and huge bunches of flowers. (Threads) Can you imagine Pete doing the same as Jack in the infirmary as Jacob lay dying? I can't. I see him more as a smothering hug, I'll-do-everything-for-you-while-you're-hurting, you-poor-thing-this-must-be-dreadful kind of person. Sam doesn't like that kind of emotional expression. Jack's simple hug and quiet 'always' do far more for her than anything more demonstrative.
The other thing about Jack is that he's Sam's equal. He gets angry with her for no good reason, he's spiteful and he hurts her. He's not running around trying to always be on her good side. Although the 'nasty' stuff is just that, it's more realistic than a relationship where one partner folds all the time over issues. Crucially, Jack's not in *awe* of her. He loves her more than anything else, he's rather die than live without her and he's proud of her... but he knows she's just a human being like everyone else. He admires her, but he knows she's got her faults. Pete doesn't see them. Jack loves her *inspite* of them.
So what makes Sam good for Jack? Well, I think he's emotionally as backward as she is! He can't stand to be thought of as weak, anymore than she can. Aside from Sam, all of his other love interests in the show have been based around pretty physical relationships. (Not sure about Sarah, but I'd include her in the same bracket as Sam: women he truly loves/d). That's ok, that's 'the blokey' thing to do, right? :rolleyes: But he's been definitely (as in, canonically established rather than simply chemistry between actors/ tension/ random projections! :) )in love with Sam for four years and they've not so much as kissed in the same reality (not counting aline-influenced snogs)! He seems to find 'love' as difficult a concept as she does. That's what makes them a good couple. They're neither of them going to embarass the other by being OTT with romantic gestures.
Another thing is that Sam doesn't like everything about Jack. She know's he's got his faults, his emotional baggage and bad habits. She doesn't *pity* him in anyway, which I always felt was a major problem in her relationship with Pete. He was so in awe of her, she just wished he could see the flawed human being underneath, poor lamb.
Ok, this has been a loooonng ramble. What I initially logged in to ask was that no-one reps me until after May 10th because I have some anonymous (green!) rep and I would really like to know who it was from that's right at the bottom of the list :eek:
:) ((Shipper family)) It's been a long time since I rambled like this.

wynter
May 4th, 2005, 02:53 AM
Here's the link again :D

http://www.snyart.com/

The video is her "Abyss Tribute" and if you like her vids also check out "Desire" and her "Go Toward the Light" trailer. "Go Toward the Light" is an excellent by Ruralstar so don't hesitate to check that out either :D

http://www.geocities.com/ruralstar1970/

or you can follow the links to both of these from my site at

www.marimba26.com/JackandSamAlways (http://www.marimba26.com/JackandSamAlways)

Happy shipping! :D

thanks marimba,

couldn't get on last night again for some reason,i will check this out now i'm sure i've already been there but hey who can refuse seconds!!

wynterxx

ayowza
May 4th, 2005, 03:41 AM
Does anyone have any idea what they're going to do this season? I' mjust not quite sure what constitutes a spoiler because I had assumed by now that everyone had seen until the end of Season 8.
I had heard [spoiler highlight]or maybe read somewhere that Jack would be appearing once or twice, maybe, in S9, but that he would play a big role in spirit even though he was absent. I assumed that meant he was probably missing in action, or time, or something, and that, of course, would set up the whole angst thing with having to find him. 'Coz he could have gone off to be an ambassador with the Asgard or something, and then he'd be free to have a relationship with Sam...
Yowza.

sueKay
May 4th, 2005, 04:15 AM
Heya!

Was GW down last night??? I've not been on since yesterday eveningm, and there's been a handful of posts...where is everyone???

As for S/J Ship - my feelings on this subject are changing as the days go by, but I'm pretty certain we will get confirmation of them being together, even if it's very subtle.

BTW - Dreamwatch may have a new interview with RDA soon from the tiny excerpt I read it sounds like he's taking a year break...never mentioned retirement...just mentioned gearing down to not working this season

aeromathlete
May 4th, 2005, 04:29 AM
Hey Ship Thread!

Okay, it's been FOREVER and EVER and EVER since I last posted in here. I might have dropped in a line not too long ago, but I can't really remember doing so, so I'll reiterate just in case.

So, I was watching Stargate the other day with a bunch of my compadres, and let's just say a whole bunch of us are just dying for them to resolve Sam and Jack and have them live happily ever after. It's been far too long. I, for one, think that they were thinking about shipping the characters together as early as Season One. There But for the Grace of God, anyone? Or even as early as Emancipation (oh, you know that Jack was flirting with her because of the dress), and Jack was certainly all alpha-male about Sam by the the time you get to the Broca Divide (primal instincts taking over?) Sam and Jack have a rich history both with each other and away from each other. But it's been eight years now, and it's about time these characters deserved to move on with their lives--with each other.

We've had stumbling blocks here and there with extraneous unwanted boyfriends and girlfriends. We've watched other characters take advantage of our leading guy and gal. But with RDA's absence next season, and a need to fill in about five episodes of gap with Carter's storyline, I don't think that TPTB can justifiably ignore the Sam and Jack relationship as a key player in the events of the past few years. They've dangled the ship in front of us for too long, and it would be darned hypocritical for them to snatch it away when we were all so close to seeing its culmination. So anyways, I think we might not see the ship onscreen, but hopefully we can all rest in the knowledge that it is there and has not been lost.

Keep up the optimism, folks. I'll be around for Season Nine, just to see what it brings us. Does anyone seriously think the leading girl won't get her guy in the end? (Note I defy the stereotype of the leading guy getting the girl intentionally, but of course, it is only to shine further compliment upon our favorite Samantha Carter).

Okay, enough 4 AM ranting. I'm getting back to work now. Everybody keep your heads up and have a delightful time shipping. We'll win in the end. I think y'all know that.

aeromathlete
May 4th, 2005, 04:32 AM
BTW - Dreamwatch may have a new interview with RDA soon from the tiny excerpt I read it sounds like he's taking a year break...never mentioned retirement...just mentioned gearing down to not working this season

Interesting. Well, he always did say he was a workaholic. Let's see how long the "sedentary" lifestyle lasts for him. Not that he isn't keeping busy with his travel, environmental work, beautiful family, and so on. It's a well-earned break, and I hope he enjoys his time off, even if it does mean for the rest of the show. I wonder if he thinks SG-1 is going to keep running after next year. Should be an informative interview.

sueKay
May 4th, 2005, 08:35 AM
Heya!

We're back!

Woo hoo!!!!

anyhowz.......

the virtual season has a partially constructed website!

http://virtualseasonnine.bravehost.com

if you want involved, email the address on that page please!!!!!!!!!!!!

((((((Aeromeathlete)))))))

Welcome home...I mean back!

melpomene
May 4th, 2005, 09:09 AM
Interesting. Well, he always did say he was a workaholic. Let's see how long the "sedentary" lifestyle lasts for him. Not that he isn't keeping busy with his travel, environmental work, beautiful family, and so on. It's a well-earned break, and I hope he enjoys his time off, even if it does mean for the rest of the show. I wonder if he thinks SG-1 is going to keep running after next year. Should be an informative interview.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO yummy! imagine getting him back!! No, no, must not get hopes up. (sighs) Would be nice though. I already miss him.

Oh love your sig as always :)

Daniel's_twin
May 4th, 2005, 09:32 AM
Heya!

We're back!

Woo hoo!!!!

anyhowz.......

the virtual season has a partially constructed website!

http://virtualseasonnine.bravehost.com

if you want involved, email the address on that page please!!!!!!!!!!!!

((((((Aeromeathlete)))))))

Welcome home...I mean back!

Hmm, I might be interested in that. :cool:

Lys
May 4th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Hi to everyone here !:)

At Gatebee's request, I made some smaller penguins medals.
Here they are. Use them whenever you want, they're brighter than the green jello.:p ;)



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/LysSG/goldpenguin100.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/LysSG/goldpenguin50.jpg

sg-1fanintn
May 4th, 2005, 10:40 AM
SueKay asked if Gateworld was down yesterday. Gateworld was SO DOWN! I tried to log on several times through the course of the day, and failed most every time.

There's some great discussion going on here today. And thank you, aeromathlete, for your comments! Some of us who post daily may be getting a little too worried for our own good. I like your perspective.

I'm also interested in knowing what Dreamwatch is, and finding out more about what RDA says in the interview. I truly hope it's a one-year break. I miss him already too! It certainly would allow him to come back for a big S10 in style, wouldn't it?

Oh, boy! Interesting things are being said here today! Keep it up, fellow shippers!

sugarshaker
May 4th, 2005, 02:35 PM
Does anyone have any idea what they're going to do this season? I' mjust not quite sure what constitutes a spoiler because I had assumed by now that everyone had seen until the end of Season 8.
I had heard [spoiler highlight]or maybe read somewhere that Jack would be appearing once or twice, maybe, in S9, but that he would play a big role in spirit even though he was absent. I assumed that meant he was probably missing in action, or time, or something, and that, of course, would set up the whole angst thing with having to find him. 'Coz he could have gone off to be an ambassador with the Asgard or something, and then he'd be free to have a relationship with Sam...
Yowza.

Welcome ayowza! (Jack makes me go YOWZA too). Ambassador Jack - interesting. I think it could work with the Asgard, and anything that gets him and Sam together is OK in my book.

lonely_star
May 4th, 2005, 02:37 PM
wow !! Gateworld is SO DOWN !! so I'll write quickly before it goes down again

so I was thinking it should be great if RDA would come back for season9 but don't you think it wouldn't be such a good thing for us shippers ? because finally producers know that people tend to watch more in expectation of a relationship before two characters than when those two same characters are already together, so don't you think that they would make things wait a little bit more between S&J and try not to resolve it definitely if they'd knew RDA would be back ? personally I'd found it frustrating at such a point in their story...but I'd be so glad to see RDA again ! I also miss him already

well that was just a thought I hope we'll know more about that soon

nice conversations to all, too bad I don't have enough time to answer before GW goes down !! :rolleyes:

lonely_star
May 4th, 2005, 02:39 PM
wow !! Gateworld is SO DOWN !! so I'll write quickly before it goes down again

so I was thinking it should be great if RDA would come back for season9 but don't you think it wouldn't be such a good thing for us shippers ? because finally producers know that people tend to watch more in expectation of a relationship before two characters than when those two same characters are already together, so don't you think that they would make things wait a little bit more between S&J and try not to resolve it definitely if they'd knew RDA would be back ? personally I'd found it frustrating at such a point in their story...but I'd be so glad to see RDA again ! I also miss him already

well that was just a thought I hope we'll know more about that soon

nice conversations to all, too bad I don't have enough time to answer before GW goes down !! :rolleyes:


whoops...I meant season 10 of course !! :o
by the way HI to all the newbies or those who came back and nice job Sue KAy for the virtual season9 website !! ;)

sugarshaker
May 4th, 2005, 02:52 PM
A question that I am throwing out-aside from the actors affinity towards each other-what is about Sam and Jack that caught your imagination? What is it about the characters that had us rooting for them from their first scene together.

The first episode I saw was Solitudes. During that scene where he calls out "Sarah", I was working around the house and only half paying attention, and I thought that Sam WAS Sarah. I thought they already were a couple and that it was soooooo romantic. So for me, it all started with a case of mistaken identity, but once I made the connection of Sam and Jack together, there was no going back.

And on another note, I haven't watched Jag for a few years, but I did watch the series finale. If they can get those two together, anything's possible. I have renewed hope for Sam and Jack! :D

sg-1fanintn
May 4th, 2005, 05:15 PM
I believe that Sam's 'issues' with the men in her life and the men that she has 'chosen' in her life are men that do not seem to be able to give.

Consider-Jonas took. He took her strength, compassion, intellect-leeched off her emotions and her natural compassion. Martouf-took. He took her connection with Jolinar to maintain a connection with a woman he loved-granted, he had become quite found of Sam, but he still took from her emotions. Orin-also took-took advantage of her intellect and her compassion. Narim-need I go on. Even Joe.

Jack-gave. Yeah he is dysfunctional in his own way-but he gave back -gave her his strength, his compassion, his belief, his courage.

A question that I am throwing out-aside from the actors affinity towards each other-what is about Sam and Jack that caught your imagination? What is it about the characters that had us rooting for them from their first scene together.

For me, it was how naturally it grew.....from respect to friendship to an undeniable love. They started as supervisor and employee, grew to admire and appreciate each other as comrades, then realized that they loved each other.

And I agree, pittsburghgirl.....Jack has given so much more to Sam than the other men in her life.....although I don't think those so-called relationships with guest stars were more than flirtations. Jack has always supported Sam, while also challenging and appreciating her for all the things that make her so special. He doesn't try to smother her; he's just there for her.

And since neither Sam nor Jack are good at talking about their emotions, she's the perfect woman for him.....accepting, understanding, undemanding and constant in her devotion. Sure, they butt heads occasionally, but either would give their life for the other. I think they are a perfect complement....ying and yang. They understand that the other's devotion is something on which they can both depend......and if that isn't the basis of a great relationship, what is? I readily admit that I don't know everything, but after 22 years of marriage, I know a little something about what makes relationships work!

gatebee
May 4th, 2005, 06:13 PM
pic fr myrth originally than I played with it a little
this is for all the SHIPPERS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/c10c76d1.jpg
don't they just look great together....TPTB you listening

nell
May 4th, 2005, 06:32 PM
Shipper-friendly reviews on SciFi.com!!!

Hi Gals, I don't visit often but I really enjoy your discussions when I do! And the creativity! Wow! I copy the pix to My Pictures and have my own little slide show to enjoy!! Thanks to all of you who share your pix!

Anyway, I was surfing SciFi.com the other day. I went to the Season 8 episode reviews for Threads and Moebius. Unlike any of their past reviews, there are clear references to a Sam and Jack attraction and implied more than that. This is the network's official website!!

Here's a passage from the Threads review. Threads Spoilers.
On Earth, Carter receives disturbing news: Her father's Tok'ra symbiote, Selmak, is dying, and he doesn't have the strength needed to prevent Jacob from dying during the process. She also feels she might be making a big mistake with this marriage to Pete and goes to O'Neill's house to tell him "something important." Finding O'Neill in cozy repose with beautiful CIA Agent Johnson, however, stops her and she excuses herself from the awkward moment.

Agent Johnson realizes what's really going on and tells O'Neill to admit that he has feelings for Carter. Furthermore, Johnson says, because Air Force rules and regulations bar O'Neill from fraternizing with a direct subordinate, he should consider retiring.

Elsewhere, Jacob gives Carter a similar speech. O'Neill arrives and is there for Carter as Jacob/Selmak dies and tells her he will he always be with her. Carter cancels her wedding to Pete.

See what I mean? Moebius 2 review has several passages, too. Tell me what you think? nell ;) :)

LOL4JACK
May 4th, 2005, 07:08 PM
((((((((((((((( SHIPPER FAMILY ))))))))))))))

I have missed you so much, it was crazy without GW, I've been reading and there are lot's of comments, but I think if I start answering I might bring GW down again :D :D :D

But in a few lines.....

1.- Welcome all newbies.... and non-newbies that are returning... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_39.gif, I've only been around for a month, but I can tell you it is great!

2.- Nell, thanks for the tip on SCIFI, I read the ep summary and from Threads I loved, (Carter) She also feels she might be making a big mistake with this marriage to Pete and goes to O'Neill's house to tell him "something important." Finding O'Neill in cozy repose with beautiful CIA Agent Johnson, however, stops her and she excuses herself from the awkward moment.

Agent Johnson realizes what's really going on and tells O'Neill to admit that he has feelings for Carter. Furthermore, Johnson says, because Air Force rules and regulations bar O'Neill from fraternizing with a direct subordinate, he should consider retiring.

Elsewhere, Jacob gives Carter a similar speech. O'Neill arrives and is there for Carter as Jacob/Selmak dies and tells her he will he always be with her. Carter cancels her wedding to Pete.

and from M2, I loved But some things are a little different. Even though the four heroes went fishing at O'Neill's ranch weeks earlier, they seem to think they're doing it now for the first time. Carter and O'Neill seem cozier. And, although O'Neill said on the tape that there were no fish in his pond...there are now.

I mean, it's on black and white (or blue and black :p ) on the SCIFI episode summary, therefore it is a fact! it's impossible for it to be more shippy :p

nell
May 4th, 2005, 07:15 PM
And I liked this Moebius passage, too.
Daniel, Teal'c and Katep plan to distract Ra's forces from the gate, so the Jumper can pick it up by cable. Carter and O'Neill set out to restore the Jumper's cloaking device, which they just found out about from Daniel. In the interim, the natural attraction between O'Neill and Carter exists in this timeline, too. While under heavy fire from Jaffa forces, they make out, thinking they're about to die. Just then a vast rebel army appears over the ridge. The Jaffa surrender. :D :D ;)

I wonder if TPTB have to sign off on these reviews? No matter, I think this gives me hope for Season 9.

LOL4JACK
May 4th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Here's my additions:

Things they share in common:
- Astronomy
- Love for Cassie
- Beer
- Hugh sense of friendship and not leaving anybody behind
- Kikin Goaul'd behinds
- Cooking
- Ability to anticipate each others actions (in battle situations)
- Ability to communicate without words (v. important in this relationship :p )

Things they might start sharing because they are together:
- Jack's love for the Simpsons
- Sam's love for motorbikes?
- Jack's love for fishing
- Jack's sense of humor
- Sam's love for Jello - they may prefer different colours but they both eat it with a fork ;)
- Their Bed!!!!!

Things where they will definitly have their own space:
- Sam's passion for science
- Jack's BBQ :p


OMA, love your additions.... maybe we should post this some where, is there an official Sam & Jack are together page :D ?

lonely_star
May 4th, 2005, 07:40 PM
Shipper-friendly reviews on SciFi.com!!!

Hi Gals, I don't visit often but I really enjoy your discussions when I do! And the creativity! Wow! I copy the pix to My Pictures and have my own little slide show to enjoy!! Thanks to all of you who share your pix!

Anyway, I was surfing SciFi.com the other day. I went to the Season 8 episode reviews for Threads and Moebius. Unlike any of their past reviews, there are clear references to a Sam and Jack attraction and implied more than that. This is the network's official website!!

Here's a passage from the Threads review. Threads Spoilers.
On Earth, Carter receives disturbing news: Her father's Tok'ra symbiote, Selmak, is dying, and he doesn't have the strength needed to prevent Jacob from dying during the process. She also feels she might be making a big mistake with this marriage to Pete and goes to O'Neill's house to tell him "something important." Finding O'Neill in cozy repose with beautiful CIA Agent Johnson, however, stops her and she excuses herself from the awkward moment.

Agent Johnson realizes what's really going on and tells O'Neill to admit that he has feelings for Carter. Furthermore, Johnson says, because Air Force rules and regulations bar O'Neill from fraternizing with a direct subordinate, he should consider retiring.

Elsewhere, Jacob gives Carter a similar speech. O'Neill arrives and is there for Carter as Jacob/Selmak dies and tells her he will he always be with her. Carter cancels her wedding to Pete.

See what I mean? Moebius 2 review has several passages, too. Tell me what you think? nell ;) :)


on the other hand they don't really have much of a choice, do they? So I think we shoudn't be too excited about that, they just repeat what we saw no more no less...If they'd told us they ARE together then we could be thinking okay then it's not only us whom have this impression but it really IS the fact.

:rolleyes: so I like it too but I'm not as enthusiastic about that...I'll read some fan fics I need some romance NOW !!!!! :D

majorsal
May 4th, 2005, 09:25 PM
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I guess this has been discussed to death, but since I'm new here, and I haven't been able to mention this elsewhere, I just have to say I was absolutely overjoyed to see Sam take Jack's hand in Threads and rub her thumb against it. I mean, wow, that was *not* platonic. Platonic friends don't normally touch each other quite like that!
Yowza

i know! when i first saw the screen caps (before i saw the ep), i said to my friend, 'it looks like she's making love to his hand!'. :D


sally :)

majorsal
May 4th, 2005, 09:43 PM
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you bring up points i agree with but does anyone remember in grace when Halucination Jack asked her "Why don't you ask, if you really wanna know?"-hows come that was glossed over. Her subconscious mind challenged her-why don't you ask him and find out what is going on. She ignored that tiny little voice that spoke such loud words.

i don't think she ignored it. she tried to talk to jack in lost city pt1-at his house, in lost city pt2-as soon as he resigned, and in threads-at his house again. the only thing she did was let nerves and fear stop her from pushing it and saying it anyways. she was sooooo close to spillling the beans in threads, but girlfriend came out and ruined it. i really think sam wasn't going to run from this talk anymore, and if it wasn't for her dad's situation, i believe she would have fought to find another chance to talk to jack. sam was pushed up against the wall, and i think she was fiercely pushing back.


sally :)

majorsal
May 4th, 2005, 09:45 PM
I think she was afraid of the answer. Grace If he said he loved her and wanted to be with her then who is going to give up their job. If he said he didn't have feelings for her, she would be hurt and didn't want to handle rejection. I think she looked at Jack as a no win situation.

wow... more food for thought. thanks for giving me another thing to ponder. ;)


sally :)

majorsal
May 4th, 2005, 09:55 PM
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Just an off the cuff thought... is it possible no-one really warmed (and that's polite phrasing) to Pete because he was written not to be liked? He was the nice guy no-one liked.... you can't acheive that in writing without some thought and planning.... surely... so that begs the question why?

The answer is obvious to me.. but I thought it was an interesting idea :D

i'd like to hear your answer. ;)

one thing, though, is why did the ptb work so hard to make us think that *we're* the ones with the prob, instead of pete? how they could write pete disrespecting sam and think it's... what, heroic because he fought to find out what she did? but anyways, i'll never figure out why the ptb wanted us to believe in pete, and then wrote him as a less-than-honorable man.


sally :)

Myrth
May 4th, 2005, 10:09 PM
Essentially I see the way Pete was written/played as a contrast to Jack. Pete was sweet and bumbling and open about his feelings. Given the canon ship in Sam/Jack I think that may have been intentional. Although I could be completely wrong, but if they'd wanted to give Sam a boyfriend the audience would say.. yeah that guy really fits her... then the ship would have been killed first. It would have to be, because at that point they'd invested seven years in the subtext, I just don't beleive Pete was ever written to stay around. I think he was a plot device to get Sam to realise that what she thinks she wants, may not be what she wants after all. It was about developing Sam... therefore, I just don't think Pete was written to gain audience sympathy.

As for the TPTB.. I really don't know what they said about it, I wasn't aroudn then, but perhaps they were stirring the pot to get a reaction... marketing is a funny business where money talks and bullsh*t walks and you've suceeded when people are focusing on what you want them to focus on... besides, look how it turned out .... :D


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i'd like to hear your answer. ;)

one thing, though, is why did the ptb work so hard to make us think that *we're* the ones with the prob, instead of pete? how they could write pete disrespecting sam and think it's... what, heroic because he fought to find out what she did? but anyways, i'll never figure out why the ptb wanted us to believe in pete, and then wrote him as a less-than-honorable man.


sally :)

majorsal
May 4th, 2005, 10:10 PM
I don't know, thier plenty old enough to elope, and after thier respective marital escapades they might want to keep it simple. adorable idea

i had an idea (that expanded my scene of marriage discovery) where daniel is hurt that sam and jack didn't tell anyone and let them share in their wedding. i had it that sam told daniel and teal'c that her and jack hadn't planned it at all. they were driving by a wedding chapel, and jack pulled the car over and asked her to marry him. she GLEEFULLY (very opposite affinity) accepted!

as much as i'd LOVE to see the scene where jack asks sam and she GLEEFULLY accepts, i'd be very happy with sam returning to the sgc as sam carter-o'neill. :D


sally :)

Myrth
May 4th, 2005, 10:14 PM
Some eye candy and possible ponder points....

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Untitled-14%7E1.jpg
Interesting place to uh "support" her there Jack......

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Untitled-10%7E1.jpg

Interestingly "intimate" spot to have his hand don't ya think?

In both cases RDA moved his hand right quick... but it was there for the er... capping.. ;)

majorsal
May 4th, 2005, 10:24 PM
So why in Grace did they do a complete U-turn, and make Sam think that her feelings for Jack were an obstruction that was holding her back from finding happiness???? Like we would really believe that everything that had happened between Sam & Jack was a mistake????

grace had to pull out an excuse for sam having/wanting a boyfriend.


OK, so she was fooling herself for a while - but *hello* LOST CITY!!! Sam certainly knew what she was feeling when she went to see Jack, and then in the ship on the way to whatever-it-was-called-proclarush, there was another D&C moment.

hence why new order was so disappointing. talk about going from a mountain to a molehill. :p


sally :)

majorsal
May 4th, 2005, 10:48 PM
Essentially I see the way Pete was written/played as a contrast to Jack. Pete was sweet and bumbling and open about his feelings. Given the canon ship in Sam/Jack I think that may have been intentional. Although I could be completely wrong, but if they'd wanted to give Sam a boyfriend the audience would say.. yeah that guy really fits her... then the ship would have been killed first. It would have to be, because at that point they'd invested seven years in the subtext, I just don't beleive Pete was ever written to stay around. I think he was a plot device to get Sam to realise that what she thinks she wants, may not be what she wants after all. It was about developing Sam... therefore, I just don't think Pete was written to gain audience sympathy.


more food for thought. thanks, myrth. :)


sally :D

majorsal
May 4th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Some eye candy and possible ponder points....
http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Untitled-14%7E1.jpg

Interesting place to uh "support" her there Jack......

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Untitled-10%7E1.jpg

Interestingly "intimate" spot to have his hand don't ya think?

In both cases RDA moved his hand right quick... but it was there for the er... capping.. ;)

i can't rep you, myrth, but i wanted to say THANKS! :)


sally :D

lord-anubis
May 5th, 2005, 12:39 AM
wow i have not been here in a while did i miss any thing?

Uber
May 5th, 2005, 01:36 AM
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i'd like to hear your answer. ;)

one thing, though, is why did the ptb work so hard to make us think that *we're* the ones with the prob, instead of pete? how they could write pete disrespecting sam and think it's... what, heroic because he fought to find out what she did? but anyways, i'll never figure out why the ptb wanted us to believe in pete, and then wrote him as a less-than-honorable man.


sally :)
SPOILERS FOR CHIMERA/AFFINITY/THREADS/JAG :D


And this is where I get pelted with shipper cookies for my opinion... :D

I didn't hate Pete - plus you all know I think DDL is a hottie....but back to Pete.

Pete had no way of knowing that Sam's job was what it was...he just thought that she feared emotional intimacy and didn't want to share her life with him. Of course, his response was a complete mistake with the whole background check thing; but maybe he was scared that her job cover (which was phony as can be...they need to come up with something better than deep space telemetry) was bogus because she was a career criminal or something...

I was depressed in Affinity when she accepted Pete's proposal. I could see why she accepted...just like I could see why she came to the conclusion she did after Grace. But of course, I didn't agree with either.

Sure, I didn't love him...and I certainly didn't want to see him with Sam. For me, Pete was a stepping stone on the road for Sam and Jack to come to certain major turning points.

Which leads me to JAG. How long did I pine for Mac and Harm to get the lead out? NINE YEARS???? I'd almost given up on them. In fact, I did give up on the series because of it. But now, I can go and watch everything I've missed because in my heart I'll know that everything ... all the ups and downs ... led to them eventually getting together and getting engaged. It was all worth it ... and as a result of that one little thing, I can now say I'll buy the JAG DVDs, which I would not have even considered had it ended differently.

And what did Harm say? "Maybe I needed a deadline." That's how I think of the whole Pete/Sam wedding thing. Sam needed a deadline where she would be forced into a watershed moment, when she would be willing I think to consider a career change based on how Jack had responded to her confession of her feelings.

JAG gives me hope that sometimes TPTB get it right...and when you have such a clear chemistry between two characters and choose to really focus on it and flesh it out, you had BETTER recognize it and let the two either get together or call it quits. Fortunately for us, I think THREADS shows that both Sam and Jack are leaning our way.

So let's see what the future holds. I for one am encouraged by JAG, encouraged by THREADS and encouraged by AT's sense that "we have somewhere to go next season..."

:D

girlgater
May 5th, 2005, 10:12 AM
You're right, Uber, in saying "And what did Harm say? "Maybe I needed a deadline." That's how I think of the whole Pete/Sam wedding thing. Sam needed a deadline where she would be forced into a watershed moment, when she would be willing I think to consider a career change based on how Jack had responded to her confession of her feelings."

I really think Sam needed to be pushed into confronting her feeings for Jack.

Where is everyone? I've been so frustrated lately because apparently you guys have been able to get on when I haven't and "our paths aren't crossing."

Sam_o_Neill
May 5th, 2005, 10:30 AM
I miss this place so much!! I try to keep up but with how everything is at school at the moment I just can't!!

I had loads of fun over here and hopefully once all my exams are over and i've got 3 months of relaxing I will be able to come back and join the fun!!

Hope everyone is keeping well!
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Shipper Family)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Sam ~x~

Sam_o_Neill
May 5th, 2005, 10:37 AM
Hey Ship Thread!

Okay, it's been FOREVER and EVER and EVER since I last posted in here. I might have dropped in a line not too long ago, but I can't really remember doing so, so I'll reiterate just in case.

So, I was watching Stargate the other day with a bunch of my compadres, and let's just say a whole bunch of us are just dying for them to resolve Sam and Jack and have them live happily ever after. It's been far too long. I, for one, think that they were thinking about shipping the characters together as early as Season One. There But for the Grace of God, anyone? Or even as early as Emancipation (oh, you know that Jack was flirting with her because of the dress), and Jack was certainly all alpha-male about Sam by the the time you get to the Broca Divide (primal instincts taking over?) Sam and Jack have a rich history both with each other and away from each other. But it's been eight years now, and it's about time these characters deserved to move on with their lives--with each other.

We've had stumbling blocks here and there with extraneous unwanted boyfriends and girlfriends. We've watched other characters take advantage of our leading guy and gal. But with RDA's absence next season, and a need to fill in about five episodes of gap with Carter's storyline, I don't think that TPTB can justifiably ignore the Sam and Jack relationship as a key player in the events of the past few years. They've dangled the ship in front of us for too long, and it would be darned hypocritical for them to snatch it away when we were all so close to seeing its culmination. So anyways, I think we might not see the ship onscreen, but hopefully we can all rest in the knowledge that it is there and has not been lost.

Keep up the optimism, folks. I'll be around for Season Nine, just to see what it brings us. Does anyone seriously think the leading girl won't get her guy in the end? (Note I defy the stereotype of the leading guy getting the girl intentionally, but of course, it is only to shine further compliment upon our favorite Samantha Carter).

Okay, enough 4 AM ranting. I'm getting back to work now. Everybody keep your heads up and have a delightful time shipping. We'll win in the end. I think y'all know that.

Hey, I agree with everything you said TPTB can't just forget about the Sam/Jack ship now and to be honest I really don't think they would want to. TPTB have gained my trust with Threads and Mobieus and even though I am very worried about how season 9 will turn out with the many changes that we are seeing but I am going to stick with Stargate and I will watch Season 9. :D

and we will win in the end, we've been through too much to lose now :D

pittsburghgirl
May 5th, 2005, 11:05 AM
Hey, I agree with everything you said TPTB can't just forget about the Sam/Jack ship now and to be honest I really don't think they would want to. TPTB have gained my trust with Threads and Mobieus and even though I am very worried about how season 9 will turn out with the many changes that we are seeing but I am going to stick with Stargate and I will watch Season 9. :D

and we will win in the end, we've been through too much to lose now :D
I'm afraid that I am in the "not even when pigs become kosher and fly" club when it comes to trusting the boys in vancouver-i think they will play the ship card if/when and only if/when the ratings start to tank because they aren't good enough to keep the newbies and the old guard starts to bale.

marimba26
May 5th, 2005, 01:20 PM
I'm afraid that I am in the "not even when pigs become kosher and fly" club when it comes to trusting the boys in vancouver-i think they will play the ship card if/when and only if/when the ratings start to tank because they aren't good enough to keep the newbies and the old guard starts to bale.

*raises hand* I've joined that club too. I hated the way that they used ship only as a plot device to ratchet up the *drama* (or melodrama as the case may be) in season 8. I loved the ship in earlier seasons bc it always felt right and this season, it hasn't been fun like it was before. This season was all about angst with no happy resolution (I'm sorry PTB but I do NOT consider that AU garbage in Moebius a resolution). So I'll stick with my DVDs and watch the old eps and read fanfic where Sam and Jack live happily ever after...

Feel free to flame away now...

dipsofjazz
May 5th, 2005, 02:06 PM
:D Hi chums. I haven't been able to get here for days now, and I miss you all. Welcome to all the newbies that have joined the family.



I'm afraid that I am in the "not even when pigs become kosher and fly" club when it comes to trusting the boys in vancouver-i think they will play the ship card if/when and only if/when the ratings start to tank because they aren't good enough to keep the newbies and the old guard starts to bale.

*raises hand* I've joined that club too. I hated the way that they used ship only as a plot device to ratchet up the *drama* (or melodrama as the case may be) in season 8. I loved the ship in earlier seasons bc it always felt right and this season, it hasn't been fun like it was before. This season was all about angst with no happy resolution (I'm sorry PTB but I do NOT consider that AU garbage in Moebius a resolution). So I'll stick with my DVDs and watch the old eps and read fanfic where Sam and Jack live happily ever after...

Feel free to flame away now...
I'm with you guys. I don't trust TPTB either. I've been reading a lot of fics lately and it would be so easy for TPTB to have Sam and Jack together...at least it's easy in the fics I read, so surely "professional" writers can do the same!

sg-1fanintn
May 5th, 2005, 03:53 PM
*raises hand* I've joined that club too. I hated the way that they used ship only as a plot device to ratchet up the *drama* (or melodrama as the case may be) in season 8. I loved the ship in earlier seasons bc it always felt right and this season, it hasn't been fun like it was before. This season was all about angst with no happy resolution (I'm sorry PTB but I do NOT consider that AU garbage in Moebius a resolution). So I'll stick with my DVDs and watch the old eps and read fanfic where Sam and Jack live happily ever after...

Feel free to flame away now...

I agree with what you've said about the TPTB and all they've put us through. I also agree that the AU was not a resolution. How can anyone expect us to be happy without a resolution in our timeline? I was reading another thread yesterday, and someone commented that the ending "gave the shippers the happy ending they wanted without really committing to it." I wrote back and said that shippers WEREN'T happy, because without a resolution in our timeline, we hadn't really GOTTEN anything.

The only observation I'll make is that as dedicated as Sam & Jack are to what they do, we always knew it would take a series of extreme situations (such as fear of completely losing the chance at a life with each other, the deaths of loved ones, the inability to move on and make other relationships work, finally achieving victory over the snakeheads, etc.) to force this pair to realize that they have to face their feelings and make a decision. They've been delaying it, always thinking the time would be "right" later. Now, they can't do that any more.

Sam_o_Neill
May 6th, 2005, 12:33 PM
*raises hand* I've joined that club too. I hated the way that they used ship only as a plot device to ratchet up the *drama* (or melodrama as the case may be) in season 8. I loved the ship in earlier seasons bc it always felt right and this season, it hasn't been fun like it was before. This season was all about angst with no happy resolution (I'm sorry PTB but I do NOT consider that AU garbage in Moebius a resolution). So I'll stick with my DVDs and watch the old eps and read fanfic where Sam and Jack live happily ever after...

Feel free to flame away now...

You do have a point Marimba, the A.U thing was not the resolution I wanted and to be honest I did think we were going to get more but I know TPTB did all they could, they are in a difficult position pleasing both shippers and anti's and they did at least try and show us that Sam and Jack were together. I really would have liked for them to have let us see Sam and Jack talk and maybe give us a little hug or something! but as long as I do get at least a scene of Sam and Jack together as a couple I will be happy, and the odd mention of Jack from Sam saying everything is going well and he is ok etc..

For me it all depends on Season 9. I don't think i'm going to like it much with all these changes that are going on but if I get a nice Sam/Jack scene I will be more than happy. Season 8 was a good enough end to Stargate for me so i'm going to stick with that but if I get a little more Sam/Jack materail I can easily pretend that happened somewhere at the end of Season 8.

OK i'm going to stop babbling now...I hope you all understand what i'm getting at :S

Oma-1
May 6th, 2005, 01:20 PM
((((((Shipper Family))))))

It's been a long couple of days! So I'm making the most of being here now - I've been dying to answer this question since Tuesday :p


A question that I am throwing out-aside from the actors affinity towards each other-what is about Sam and Jack that caught your imagination? What is it about the characters that had us rooting for them from their first scene together?

The first shippy scenes I saw our lovely couple in were in Solitudes, about 2 weeks into my Stargate affair. What struck me most about that ep was their dedication to each other in supporting each other's spirits, Sam looking after Jack's injuries, and his lame attempts at humour. I just loved the way they were together. For both of them, their overriding concerns were for the other, extending way beyond anything purely professional. IMHO this resulted in such a bond and closeness between Sam & Jack that their eventual romantic feelings were inevitable.


I don't see this ep as shippy in the S4 sense, but it's the ep I really started to love the Sam & Jack characters and want for them to be together. As I got to see more eps and backfilled the gaps in their pasts, I became even more avid a shipper for them. I think TPTB did a fantastic job with their characters, making us feel empathy for them through eps like Cold Lazarus and First Commandment. Showing Broca Divide before both of those eps was a masterstroke, cos it showed us how much passion was locked up inside them and this knowledge was colouring our perceptions a lovely shippy colour for the future.

I saw COTG for the first time about 8 months ago and I have to admit to cringing at the boardroom scene, I still do :p I think it's because the characters were so new and at that point fairly stereotyped compared to how we know them now. Even the Abydos scenes with the moonshine etc were typical guy plays prank on new girl to see if she can hack it. So although I see COTG as the start of the sparks and the ship, I love Solitudes so much more because it was written so beautifully.

Oma-1
May 6th, 2005, 01:24 PM
OMA, love your additions.... maybe we should post this some where, is there an official Sam & Jack are together page :D ?
Yep. Every page on this thread *contented shippy smile* ;)

Oma-1
May 6th, 2005, 01:41 PM
Jumping into the do I trust tptb with ship convo:

I've been nostalgic the last few days, reading tons and tons of fanfic to stave off the GW withdrawal. The strange effect that ff has on me is to appreciate tptb. I know I complain a lot about lack shippy bits in some eps and went into a real rant over M2 (yes there is a "but" coming :p) however :D, I have to wonder if I would have become so S&J obessessed and got involved here at all if the ship had been resolved in S4 or even S7.

I'm trying to look philosophically at S9, and in the position that tptb have found themselves in. They've managed to hold onto RDA for 3 extra seasons, which allowed them to create Atlantis (which I love too - go Shep/Weir!) and lessen my dependency on seeing RDA central in every ep of SG-1. Now RDA's taking a break (optimism rules me :p) and wants to have the option to come back. So they won't abandon SG-1 and call it something else, cos otherwise RDA would have nowhere to come back to.

I really don't think tptb will just drop the S&J storyline completely for the whole of S9. I don't think we'll get much, and it could be really angsty rather than completely shippy, but I do trust them enough that before SG-1 closes the iris for good, we will see S&J in a competely resolved relationship a la JAG.

So all that rambling means, yeah, I trust tptb to bring the ship home eventually - and give me lots to rave, love, moan and complain about in the meantime.

Oma-1
May 6th, 2005, 01:45 PM
(((((Marimba)))))

Check this one out - it's taken me most of the last 3 days to read it, but they live happily ever after ;) If I'd found it sooner I could have posted it during our BTS Mini Ship Day :)

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2211735/1/

Oma-1
May 6th, 2005, 01:50 PM
Some eye candy and possible ponder points....

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Untitled-14%7E1.jpg
Interesting place to uh "support" her there Jack......

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Untitled-10%7E1.jpg

Interestingly "intimate" spot to have his hand don't ya think?

In both cases RDA moved his hand right quick... but it was there for the er... capping.. ;)


I missed both of those while watching the eps :p I'll enjoy going back to watch them even more now. At least there's a touch in New Order to look forward to - I found the ignoring of the ship in that ep really frustrating. Not even Jack's "So, Teal'c what's with the hair?" made up for it.

Anubis345
May 6th, 2005, 02:39 PM
wow i think i will star talking o this board i think that Jack and Sam together is the greatest and this is okay if guys are on it right i hope

girlgater
May 6th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Jumping into the do I trust tptb with ship convo:

I've been nostalgic the last few days, reading tons and tons of fanfic to stave off the GW withdrawal. The strange effect that ff has on me is to appreciate tptb. I know I complain a lot about lack shippy bits in some eps and went into a real rant over M2 (yes there is a "but" coming :p) however :D, I have to wonder if I would have become so S&J obessessed and got involved here at all if the ship had been resolved in S4 or even S7.

I'm trying to look philosophically at S9, and in the position that tptb have found themselves in. They've managed to hold onto RDA for 3 extra seasons, which allowed them to create Atlantis (which I love too - go Shep/Weir!) and lessen my dependency on seeing RDA central in every ep of SG-1. Now RDA's taking a break (optimism rules me :p) and wants to have the option to come back. So they won't abandon SG-1 and call it something else, cos otherwise RDA would have nowhere to come back to.

I really don't think tptb will just drop the S&J storyline completely for the whole of S9. I don't think we'll get much, and it could be really angsty rather than completely shippy, but I do trust them enough that before SG-1 closes the iris for good, we will see S&J in a competely resolved relationship a la JAG.

So all that rambling means, yeah, I trust tptb to bring the ship home eventually - and give me lots to rave, love, moan and complain about in the meantime.


I would like to think that RDA will come back after pretty much taking a year off (not that I blame him for doing it). If he would continue to do 3-5 special episodes a year that would certainly lead to more definitive relationship possibilities with Sam. If he doesn't come back, then the ship will still go on. I can't believe TPTB would end the ship between Sam/Jack...it would go against everything I've hoped for. Oh well, I'm rambling as well. Everyone have a great night. I've missed this thread soooo much.

Myrth
May 6th, 2005, 06:12 PM
It's alive!!! {happy jig} *ahem*... be cool....

Thought for the day... :D

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gateworld/agony.jpg

aeromathlete
May 6th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Nice collage.

majorsal
May 6th, 2005, 08:48 PM
SPOILERS FOR CHIMERA/AFFINITY/THREADS






And this is where I get pelted with shipper cookies for my opinion... :D

I didn't hate Pete - plus you all know I think DDL is a hottie....but back to Pete.

Pete had no way of knowing that Sam's job was what it was...he just thought that she feared emotional intimacy and didn't want to share her life with him. Of course, his response was a complete mistake with the whole background check thing; but maybe he was scared that her job cover (which was phony as can be...they need to come up with something better than deep space telemetry) was bogus because she was a career criminal or something...



no pelting, just me stepping on my soapbox again. :p

*run now, save yourselves!*


i don't believe pete thought sam was a criminal. i don't believe pete really believed he could die like all her other man-friends. i believe pete opened up himself to her after they slept together, and when sam wouldn't do the same, he was hurt, angry, and did something deceitful.



trying to get into *sam's* head, this is what i'd forgive him for:

* walking out on me after our night together. why? because he didn't do it to be mean, he was just reacting emotionally to me shutting him out.

* calling his fbi friend to check up on me.


what i'd NOT forgive him for:

* after getting his fbi friend's return call, and finding out that i 'was' involved in something big - he went ahead and followed me.

* showing up at the stakeout. he knew something was going down, but not only did he continue to spy on me, he interferred at a pivotal moment and almost got me and my team killed.


an apology would go some way from him, but it was never heard or shown. the episode never even acknowledged that he did anything wrong.

so, after all this, with us admonishing/defending pete, there's one thing that hasn't been adresseed... was it NICE of pete to do? the only things i can think of that would/could justify pete doing what he did was a- worrying about sam's safety, b- worrying about his own (black widow curse thinger that sam joked/mentioned), and c- thinking sam was into something illegal. and out of the three, only 'a' wouldn't make pete look like a prick for doing what he did. the ep never gave us pete's true motivations for his deeds, so we have to take the evidence shown to come up with our own. and for this fan, he looked like he didn't like his 'girlfriend' keeping things from him, so he did whatever he needed to do to find out what he wanted to know.

as you can see, uber, this is a hot topic for me. :p not only did this ep push my ship buttons, but my samfan buttons too. as much as i didn't like what pete did, i was actually more bothered that sam was fine with it. one scene, one MOMENT of her saying something to him would have went *far* for me, because it was sam i cared about more than this would-be-lothario's hurt pride. and isn't it pride his true motivation?

stepping down off soapbox and hoping uber didn't take it personally.

(((uber)))



sally :)

sg-1fanintn
May 6th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Hello, Shipper Family! I can't believe (after all the outages these past two weeks) that we're actually able to be here tonight. I haven't posted anything because I've been so busy catching up on everything I've missed (all your astute and insightful posts, of course!).

Please forgive me for being a little OT, but when I logged in tonight, I noticed that someone had started a Moderators Appreciation Thread. I went there and posted a message, letting the mods and web gurus know that I'm sorry they've been through such a trying time, and that we appreciate all they do to maintain this site. I was thinking of it as a kind of "Get Well Card" for Gateworld. If you'd like to post a message there too, here's the link:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=4224426#post4224426

Gotta get back to catching up! Besides, I had such a wild, crazy and demanding RL day that my brain has pretty much turned to mush at this point anyway. Talk with you soon!

Uber
May 6th, 2005, 09:12 PM
SPOILERS FOR CHIMERA/AFFINITY/THREADS

<<snipping sally's yadda yadda about Pete :D>>


sally :)
Naw, it's all good. ((((((((majorsal)))))))

I keep in mind that Pete's main purposes in existence were to further the Sam/Jack story and for us to dislike him greatly.

I agree...he made some stupid decisions beyond his tailing her and possibly endangering a mission in Chimera. I mean, for crying out loud, he pressed Sam to marry him even though he knew she was "conflicted"...I think he knew why she was conflicted, and what she was conflicted about. (dang, I ended that last sentence with a preposition!)

The reality is that if they were meant to be together, he shouldn't have had to have pushed so hard. He wouldn't have rushed...it just would have been right...and she wouldn't have had to weigh her decision to accept his proposal on how Jack reacted to the idea vs. her wanting to have a life.

He had to have known that pushing so hard would inevitably end in failure and heartache because the problems he believed would evaporate once she became Mrs. Shanahan would still be there...not that I think she'd cheat on him. I don't believe that's in her character. But her feelings for Jack would still be there (which I think he picked up on because she more than likely would give him tells to suggest more than she'd like) and would always be some sort of barrier between them.

majorsal
May 6th, 2005, 11:07 PM
Naw, it's all good. ((((((((majorsal)))))))

I keep in mind that Pete's main purposes in existence were to further the Sam/Jack story and for us to dislike him greatly.

I agree...he made some stupid decisions beyond his tailing her and possibly endangering a mission in Chimera. I mean, for crying out loud, he pressed Sam to marry him even though he knew she was "conflicted"...I think he knew why she was conflicted, and what she was conflicted about. (dang, I ended that last sentence with a preposition!)

The reality is that if they were meant to be together, he shouldn't have had to have pushed so hard. He wouldn't have rushed...it just would have been right...and she wouldn't have had to weigh her decision to accept his proposal on how Jack reacted to the idea vs. her wanting to have a life.

He had to have known that pushing so hard would inevitably end in failure and heartache because the problems he believed would evaporate once she became Mrs. Shanahan would still be there...not that I think she'd cheat on him. I don't believe that's in her character. But her feelings for Jack would still be there (which I think he picked up on because she more than likely would give him tells to suggest more than she'd like) and would always be some sort of barrier between them.

*hugs*

i think the biggest stumbling block for me on this issue is that the ppl making the show wouldn't/couldn't/didn't want to admit they just possibly made a mistake. i think that's a bit why i handled affinity better, because i knew that 'someone' out of them didn't like what was going on (amanda). the most honest reaction i read from anyone was from david deluise, himself, that said he wouldn't treat someone like that.

i sometimes wonder if i over react to this (which i know i'm prob doing a bit because the whole 'boyfriend for sam' concept hurt me to begin with), but i don't like being told that i'm stupid for finding a prob with pete's actions (and sam's lack of), and that's what i felt the writers/ppl that made the show did. i'm not asking for an apology, i'm asking to not be made a fool. pete wasn't evil, or even bad, he just went in a direction that was very disrespectful to my fave character and, adding, almost cost her her life. please don't tell me there's nothing wrong with that. and that's what i felt like had happened. and that's why this continues, to this day, to be a touchy subject for me.

k, done with my monthly chimera/pete rant. :p


sally :)

Lunar
May 7th, 2005, 02:19 AM
Hey hey! We're back online! I haven't been able to get on for days!!
I take it no more S/J spoilers have dropped into the ears of our collective consciousness??

Sam_o_Neill
May 7th, 2005, 02:54 AM
Jumping into the do I trust tptb with ship convo:
So all that rambling means, yeah, I trust tptb to bring the ship home eventually - and give me lots to rave, love, moan and complain about in the meantime.

You summed that up perfectly!! :D I feel the same way.

Sam_o_Neill
May 7th, 2005, 03:02 AM
Hey hey! We're back online! I haven't been able to get on for days!!
I take it no more S/J spoilers have dropped into the ears of our collective consciousness??

Have we had ANY Sam/Jack spoilers for Season 9 yet? I've been away for quite a while so i'm a bit out of the loop :S I've been reading the ep spoilers that were posted on Gateworld but I haven't ready anything about Sam or Jack yet :S:(

kiwigater
May 7th, 2005, 03:37 AM
Spoilers? *ears perk* I've been so disconnected from the forum (moving back to NZ, the site being up, and down, and down, and down..... :p ) I'm not sure I know about ANY spoilers! :o

katethegater
May 7th, 2005, 04:00 AM
Hi guys - this is my first posting so be gentle with me please!

I feel really out of it as i have yet to see the last few episodes of season 8 (although i feel like i have seen them what with those 'sweet' episode transcripts!

I am ultimately a shipper & can't wait for July when i get to finally see 'threads' & the season climax.

Please keep me informed of any season 9 teasers (i'd hoped Sam's absence from the first 6 episodes of season 9 were down to her visiting a certain someone in DC!)

One can only hope! (sigh!)

Sam_o_Neill
May 7th, 2005, 04:05 AM
Hi guys - this is my first posting so be gentle with me please!

I feel really out of it as i have yet to see the last few episodes of season 8 (although i feel like i have seen them what with those 'sweet' episode transcripts!

I am ultimately a shipper & can't wait for July when i get to finally see 'threads' & the season climax.

Please keep me informed of any season 9 teasers (i'd hoped Sam's absence from the first 6 episodes of season 9 were down to her visiting a certain someone in DC!)

One can only hope! (sigh!)

Welcome to the Shipper Family Kate!! :D
Its a shame you haven't seen the last Season 8 eps yet but believe me they will be worth the wait!!

I can't wait until July either and I do hope that Sam is away in DC with Jack!! From what i've read she is away for personal reason so we can always hope!

wynter
May 7th, 2005, 04:24 AM
hey guys try and get on ahhhh scream loud couldn't get on!!!


after missing a couple of weeks of my shipper family i was so looking forward to catching up.

By the way is it that slow here or has people found some-where else?Wheres the rest of family gone.

Can't belive i missed mini ship day when the next one comes up can some-one pm me as i really can't miss that one esp what has happened in season 8.

try and catch up later after work see ya laters


wynterxx

sueKay
May 7th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Hello!

I'm in the library...times running out...SAM AND JACK FOREVER

See you on monday

bye!

Oma-1
May 7th, 2005, 06:25 AM
Welcome Anubis345 & Katethegater

Despite the problems GW's having we're still getting newbies! As long as the family keeps growing we can be assured of a great S/J ship thread regardless of what S9 has to offer. ;)

As far as Sam & Jack spoilers for S9 there's been worse than nothing! JM initially said in the question thread that Sam would be gone for personal and professional reasons - and then a few weeks later, changed that to just professional reasons! And that's it!!! We know no Sam for the first 5 eps, and RDA is only in the first couple. So there will be no S&J interaction unless it was filmed either separately or at the end of last season. They have filmed stuff completley separately before, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

wynter
May 7th, 2005, 06:33 AM
(((((Marimba)))))

Check this one out - it's taken me most of the last 3 days to read it, but they live happily ever after ;) If I'd found it sooner I could have posted it during our BTS Mini Ship Day :)

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2211735/1/

thanks oma read this this afternoon fantastic story,have you got any other recomendations please?

i loved this story,my god tears and happiness,let me know ok thnks,

wynterxx

Oma-1
May 7th, 2005, 06:46 AM
I've come across loads of good stories Wynter - I wish I could remember them all! I generally use Fanfiction.com cos there's loads of stories there. If you click C2 communities, Stargate SG-1, then pick a community to visit. There one that is completely devoted to killing off the :eek: relationship (I like that one) and I'm currently working my way through the Sam & Jack Forever community. When I find an author I like, I read all their stories, then their faves. Hopefully it should keep me occupied for the next season at least :p

That's how I found Lunar's stories - they're great if you haven't read them yet. I also like msraven, MissAnnThropic, Vicky Ocean, Annerb. They should keep you occupied for a while :p

LOL4JACK
May 7th, 2005, 06:47 AM
Welcome New Shippers!!!!!!!!!

I canīt believe GW has been crazy up and down for the past couple of weeks, I need you GW!!!! I need my shipper family as much as I need S/J together in S9 :D

Iīm traveling these days and itīs a pain connecting to the Internet using dial up, it is so hard to have the pages load up, so you wonīt see me around that much for a couple of days (snif) , but Iīve downlaoded many fics to keep my shippiness up!

I donīt remember who asked if S/J would have gotten together in S4 or S7 if we would still have this crazy passion for them :p, I think not, I perfectly understand that you have to keep the tension and suspense up but give us a break from time to time...

I think M1 was a perfect moment to give us what we wanted when our S/J went back 5000 years and knew they had to stay, it would have been nice to see them get together, no regs, I mean, they did not exist 300BC :D , then the time line would have been back, that would have never happened, but we would ALWAYS have Threads, M1 & M2....

Token
May 7th, 2005, 08:05 AM
First here is a http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/8.gif to all the new members of the Family!!!! Great to see our family continue to grow!!


I know it has been awhile (my bad), but I always like to celebrate birthdays especially Shipper Family birthdays!! :D


http://bestsmileys.com/birthday1/7.gif
Stargate barbie & antares!!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/Token04/OnTopicSJKiss.jpg
Have a SHIPPERIFIC birthday!!!!

http://bestsmileys.com/birthday1/10.gif

Oma-1
May 7th, 2005, 08:06 AM
Talking about Grace the other day inspired me, so here's my version :D

Grace (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Oma-1/Grace.jpg)

dipsofjazz
May 7th, 2005, 08:08 AM
Talking about Grace the other day inspired me, so here's my version :D

Grace (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Oma-1/Grace.jpg)
:D This is great Oma. I love it.

*waves* Welcome back to the family Token. :D

gatebee
May 7th, 2005, 08:44 AM
Talking about Grace the other day inspired me, so here's my version :D

Grace (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Oma-1/Grace.jpg)
(((((((( Oma )))))))))) that is soooo lovely.....thanks for sharing. Can't give any greens at this time . Needs to wait 24 hours.

TameFarrar
May 7th, 2005, 10:14 AM
Just poppin in to say Hi to the ((((((((((Shipper Family)))))))))) HI!!!! and adding my

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/TameFarrar/just%20for%20fun/Welcome.gif
to ALL of the new Family Members

I have just been lurking alot since I have had nothing new to add....you ALL have heard me (from the top of my soapbox) discuss most of my thoughts on Pete, ship AND TPTB so I figured I would just lie low and read what everyone else thinks.... It is wonderful to have so many new family members chiming in :D

sg-1fanintn
May 7th, 2005, 10:27 AM
Several people have asked if there were any new (S/J ship) spoilers since they last checked in, and Oma-1 summed it up nicely: no!

However:

someone mentioned that an interview with RDA will supposedly be featured in the magazine, Dreamwatch, that's supposed to be out soon. In that interview, he is rumored to have mentioned taking a year off, instead of quitting, the show.

I think this is a U.K. publication, so I'm not sure whether I'd even be able to find it on a newsstand in my area. But, many of our shippers are in the U. K. Could someone there keep a close watch out for the current or next issue of the mag, and share whatever they find out with us?

Oma-1
May 7th, 2005, 10:39 AM
Ooooh great tip TN! I'm on it :D

Here's the website - looks like it will be in the next issue.

Dreamwatch (http://www.titanmagazines.com/ukdreamwatch.html)

I will be haunting my local newsagents!

Edit: I was looking for the release date of the next issue and found this

Dreamwatch US & Canada (http://www.titanbooks.co.uk/usadreamwatch.html)

So you need to keep your eyes open too in case RDA is in that one! Hopefully he'll be in both so we'll be happy on both sides of the pond :p