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Lida
April 26th, 2005, 06:28 PM
We have hope...they didn't ditch the issue in Season 8...TPTB faced it as best they could in lieu of the Air Force restrictions to which they had to adhere.

We got AT saying there's somewhere for Sam and Jack to go thanks to Season 8.

We also got fishing...and TPTB made clear that meant more than FISHING.

Not only that we got fishing TWICE. (Okay, it was the same fishing trip...but heck, they showed it twice plus there was that slight difference into which I can read all kinds of things).

So let's just see if TPTB stay true to the Sam/Jack character development of Season 8...

OK Uber, I'll take hope, for now. It's just been a long 8 years......(deep sigh).

ses110
April 26th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Pittsburghgirl Great point about the Writers and the Boys from Vancouver.They deserve alot of the blame.I also think some Actors have the ability to be lead Actors and other Actors are better suited in a support role.That's not to say AT MS and CJ cannot be leads on SG-1 or another Show. IMO I do not feel they have done a good Job up to this point.I just see Jack as the leader of the Team and I rather the Show ended that way as well.I think the pressure is really on the Writers and TPTB this Season.TPTB cannot use RDA's schedule as an excuse.If the show fails you can bet they say the Fans just did not want to watch without RDA.

pittsburghgirl
April 26th, 2005, 06:55 PM
Pittsburghgirl Great point about the Writers and the Boys from Vancouver.They deserve alot of the blame.I also think some Actors have the ability to be lead Actors and other Actors are better suited in a support role.That's not to say AT MS and CJ cannot be leads on SG-1 or another Show. IMO I do not feel they have done a good Job up to this point.I just see Jack as the leader of the Team and I rather the Show ended that way as well.I think the pressure is really on the Writers and TPTB this Season.TPTB cannot use RDA's schedule as an excuse.If the show fails you can bet they say the Fans just did not want to watch without RDA.
ses- you point out something that we all tend to lose sight of-the writers have yet to take any responsibility for the fiasco that has been seasons 7 and 8-of course they are going to blame the fans for season 9. i think that they should have bailed out on this show two years ago-or at the very least prepared the way for a new direction for the show.

girlgater
April 26th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Hi I'm new...

Just wanted to pop up and say hi... how does one join the ship family?

This thread is just so pretty I couldn't resist.

:D

Welcome, Myrth! I haven't been here long, but I have to say that this a great group of people--lots of caring and excellent discussion regarding our favorite subjects--Jack & Sam! :D

Daniel's_twin
April 26th, 2005, 07:13 PM
Hi I'm new...

Just wanted to pop up and say hi... how does one join the ship family?

This thread is just so pretty I couldn't resist.

:D

Welcome! Hope you have lots of fun here. These guys really are terrific.

P.S. You've posted. You've joined. There is no turning back now. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! :D :cool:

Myrth
April 26th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Rockin! :D


Just reading the last few posts.. I may be in the minority.. but I hold out great hope for a resolution at the end of s9.

I applaude the way this ship has been handled.. it's been a graceful slow burn and IMHO one of the best ships ever executed on TV. I think it was clearly planned right from the start.... I recall reading AT's account of her audition process.. there was intent there... but from there I've found it's gradual build and portrayal phenomenal. I know there's alot of debate surrounding this.. but I figured I'd state my view up front.

I was frustrated by the vagueness of the end of s8, but I expect them to expound on that in the next season in one way or another.. I do live in the real world.. but if you don't have hope in these things, what do you have? Also the massive amount of time and energy invested in it says something to me. That coupled with at least half TPTB being shippers... fuels my hope I guess...

Meanwhile there's so much pretty, shiny stuff to play with and the fanfic.. god love fanfic. This fandom rocks :)

Oooh.. side note, I got my signed 8x10 of AT & RDA holding hands from Legends today.. and it's so damn adorable I'm still on the floor....

:D

LOL4JACK
April 26th, 2005, 07:25 PM
Hi I'm new...

Just wanted to pop up and say hi... how does one join the ship family?

This thread is just so pretty I couldn't resist.

:D
Welcome Myrth!!!!!!!!!!!

Post lots.... ship lots :D:D:D:D

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Rockin! :D


Just reading the last few posts.. I may be in the minority.. but I hold out great hope for a resolution at the end of s9.

I applaude the way this ship has been handled.. it's been a graceful slow burn and IMHO one of the best ships ever executed on TV. I think it was clearly planned right from the start.... I recall reading AT's account of her audition process.. there was intent there... but from there I've found it's gradual build and portrayal phenomenal. I know there's alot of debate surrounding this.. but I figured I'd state my view up front.

I was frustrated by the vagueness of the end of s8, but I expect them to expound on that in the next season in one way or another.. I do live in the real world.. but if you don't have hope in these things, what do you have? Also the massive amount of time and energy invested in it says something to me. That coupled with at least half TPTB being shippers... fuels my hope I guess...

Meanwhile there's so much pretty, shiny stuff to play with and the fanfic.. god love fanfic. This fandom rocks :)

Oooh.. side note, I got my signed 8x10 of AT & RDA holding hands from Legends today.. and it's so damn adorable I'm still on the floor....

:D
And of course you will be uploading it to a server somewhere and posting a link so the rest of us in the fam can drool...I mean admire it.

Buc252
April 26th, 2005, 07:50 PM
I'm not sure about this one...as much of an RDA fan that I am, because of his reduced time on air, I've come around to picking Carter as my favorite character and think she can carry a lot of the show on her own (which btw is why I'm sticking around). She's a phenominal actress and Carter is such a great character...

<snip>

Plus with Sam still there, we have the potential of continuing the S/J arc which I believe will go on (as I stated above) and AT believes this as well...

Warning: this is an opinion I've felt for awhile but held back on stating. Please don't crucify me for it. . .


I know there are some really big Sam fans here, but I just don't see it. Amanda is a good actress, yes, and until S7 and S8, Sam was a great character, but in spite of that, I don't think she can carry the show.

Maybe I'm jaded. Everything people are saying about Sam/AT is what was said about Scully/Gillian Anderson when the exact same thing was happening on XF, and, to be blunt, the seasons she tried to carry were a disaster. I do think that a woman could carry a show, I just don't think these *characters* can.

I can also cite the episodes we've seen that had no Jack, where Sam took lead, and I really saw very little there to keep me interested. Could it be that TPTB simply don't have the capacity to write for a woman? Absolutely. But whether it's that or something else, the end result is the same: the show is lifeless without Jack. He's the glue that holds the team together, just as much as the glue that holds the show together.

Consider, for example, the difference between a leading female character and a secondary female character who is turned "leading". If Sam had been written as a "lead" from the start, it's very possible they could do this. (I don't watch SGA, but I get the impression that the female lead on that is the type I'm talking about.) But trying to take a well-written secondary and make them leading is generally an unsuccessful thing to do in television. Think about how many spinoffs fail miserably and you'll see what I mean.

Anyway, that's just MHO. I like Sam the way she is, but I just don't believe that, even with AT's talent, she can be turned into a leading roll just because they or we want her to.

lonely_star
April 26th, 2005, 07:52 PM
And of course you will be uploading it to a server somewhere and posting a link so the rest of us in the fam can drool...I mean admire it.

:D :D hehe !! the great spirits think alike !!!
WELCOME MYRTH and hope we'll see that soon ;)

have fun and post a lot, I'm pretty new too but I'm sure you'll like it...that's such a fun place and it's so nice to speak about our favorite subject !! :D

so SAM&JACK FOREVER and YAY for a BIG HONKIN' KISS in season9 !! ;)

Myrth
April 26th, 2005, 07:57 PM
Ummm... I'll say this.. I have a couple of websites where I keep all my toys...

http://www.svucrib.com/~sg16

or

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin


:D

Also I have to say.... I adore your signature pic/animated thingy... made me laugh my ass off... alot. It's perfect.

And of course you will be uploading it to a server somewhere and posting a link so the rest of us in the fam can drool...I mean admire it.

nickatell
April 26th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Buc252 I agree with the fact that the way they have portrayed Sam especially in Season 8 was not lead worthy. I expected to see Sam as a leader, making difficult decisions has Jack has done may times, breaking the rules because the situation warranted it again as Jack has done many times, but we saw nothing. I especially wanted to see Sam fall on her face maybe make a big mistake in the field to see how she would deal with it; but what we got was nothing except Sam letting Pete take control and Sam constantly second guessing herself. I have to say with what TPTB have shown us I am not at all convinced that she could lead. I agree I did some glimmer of hope in IGTBK; but certainly not enough. To further the point I think even that particular show became great because Jack was back to being Jack the leader. I feel TPTB have done an injustice to the Sam character.
P.S. This is just MPO

lonely_star
April 26th, 2005, 08:03 PM
and to wish you welcome in a fun way...I've seen Grace is your fav ep so here we go...

http://img253.exs.cx/img253/8972/zza3an.jpg
I think noone will blame me for this particular one :D :p

Buc252
April 26th, 2005, 08:05 PM
OK Uber, I'll take hope, for now. It's just been a long 8 years......(deep sigh).

I have no hope . . . How can you have hope when the characters involved won't be around this year? (Sorry, I truly just don't get this.) When you have a balloon, and somebody pricks it with a pin and it pops, you can't have hope that it'll ever hold air again. Or, rather, you can have hope, but you'd be deluding yourself.

There's no RDA/Jack in this season beyond the first and third eps, which Amanda/Sam isn't in. We've had that confirmed. I think we've gotten all we're going to get of the ship - the rest will be up to our imaginations.

And as for what Amanda said, she'll be the first to say that even the actors don't always have storylines go the way they'd want them. I pray I'm wrong, but unless Rick changes his plans (plans for which I don't blame him in the least), I'm accepting that the ship will only continue in our fic, vids, and imaginations. :( The up side of that, though, is that we can do it *our* way. <vbEEEg>

Myrth
April 26th, 2005, 08:23 PM
[eye glaze] mmmm grace.......

Thankyou!! :D



and to wish you welcome in a fun way...I've seen Grace is your fav ep so here we go...

http://img253.exs.cx/img253/8972/zza3an.jpg
I think noone will blame me for this particular one :D :p

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 08:23 PM
I knew it ..In Atlantis ((Kri))) they gonna mess even more with the ship ... I said it when I realized ( by reading forums)that they were as many Weir/Sheppard and Sheppard/Teyla shippers ....so me if I watch it ..I'll concentrate only in the sci-fi stories and ignore the rest ..I'll be better off that way .I also bet that that Sheppard will never end up with Weir or Teyla ..because TPTB will play around as much as they can with the 2 ship ...and at the end ..he''ll find a damsel in distress on a planet to be with or go back to earth ...and forget about Teyla and Weir as eventual romantic partners , find somebody else and move on ...Those 2 ship have been established from the very beginning and I hate what they are doing with the romance in Atlantis ..they are mixing and upsetting all the shippers feelings ..They gonna please the Teyla /Sheppard shippers , take it away ...upset them ..then do a bit of Sheppard /Weir ..take it awaY upset those shippers ..and carry on like that until the very end ..which means we'll never see any deep feelings between Sheppard/Weir or Sheppard/Teyla . :( Sad but in my opinion ..this is what TPTB is doing in the ship in Atlantis ..They want to stir things up so that all shippers get upset and hope for the best in their relative ship :( Sad :( not for me me though because I don't ship in Atlantis ...although if I was shipping . I'll go for Sheppard/Weir because I can relate to Weir more than Teyla ..I really like Weir's character :) and I'm so glad we only had Jack matched with Sam from the very beginning ..otherwise I would have switched to another channel ... :eek:


Caty:)

your post reminded me of a good post i'd read on the 'ship discussion thread'. i'm going to c/p *some* of that post so you can see what i mean.

spoilers for s8's threads below

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(tucker case - ship discussion thread - #558)
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=468229&postcount=558


It's hard to say, not only without seeing the characters, but also without having seen how TPTB go about ship-building with characters they're actually able (and willing) to write and present as a couple.

They couldn't do that with Jack and Sam. To the extent that they were shipped at all by the writers, it was always on the sly, bogged down in character "outs" and ambiguities and inferred preferential treatment. Characters like Pete SPOILERS
and Kerry were introduced as supposed "obstacles" so that the mere removal of these contrivances would feel like progress when Jack and Sam themselves were no further ahead than they were before Pete and Kerry came along in the first place. The ship felt "ham-fisted" because it was wedged into circumstances it had no business being because it was in those circumstances - usually tense and extreme - that it could best be excused, they hoped, or if not, then interpreted as something else, and the furtive *nudge-nudge*, "Who, us? Nothing to see here, nothing we could get in trouble for *whistles* *tries to look innocent*" nature of it all made those scenes awkward and thus intrusive.

A quick, open and obvious kiss in an appropriate moment would have felt far less ham-fisted than those long stares, clumsy silences, gauzy, soft-focus shots with the music swelling and the action frozen in implied-ship limbo long enough for everyone to clue in. (Okay, bit of an overstatement, the gist being that a single small but overt gesture weighs the plot down far less than any great honking heap of subtle "clues.").

The "disaster" of Jack and Sam is what comes from the writers' shipping a couple they were never prepared to actually write.

It could be a quite different ballgame with characters they are prepared to write openly for.

~~~

i just thought some of what this post said rang very true. what you do you think?


sally :)

nickatell
April 26th, 2005, 08:35 PM
Another thing that makes me mad is that after hearing about the regs for the last eight years in Season 9 they will have Jack leaving for Home World Security in Washington and Sam not even there until episode 5 or 6. I mean this has been a major blockade for the relationship and we don't even get to see them together when this occurs. I mean hello major development!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to say this is a big part of what angered me about the conclusion of season 8; knowing RDA was not going to be around may be at all for Season 9 and still having AT wouldn't this have been the time to get rid of the regs and bring them together so we could have all enjoyed seeing this.?? I do agree that if RDA still planned on being in Season 9 as a regular than TPTB still had room to advance the relationship and give us shippers what we are stillllllllllll hoping for, but????????????? Honestly I feel that TPTB are counting on the fans from Farscape, and are leaving the door open a minuscule for the shippers to still have hope for something more to happen between Jack and Sam to keep Season 9 alive. I also feel that if I were MS, CJ or AT I would have been a little hurt that even TPTB don't feel that they could have carried the show off without Jack because they had to find another lead main character with his own fanfair to keep another season going. To me Season 9 just seems so wrong on so many levels.

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 08:45 PM
As to SGA, I'm enjoying it, but I'm not getting involved or pulled along by any of the experiments TPTB are doing with possible ships, because, as you said, I don't trust these guys with my heart. To risk letting them break it once was trusting. To risk letting them do it again would be sickly co-dependent!

So, I'll watch SGA, but I'll never be as devoted to it or invested in it as I have been in SG-1, because I can't allow myself to get really attached to any characters or relationships. If they give me a public, acknowledged happy ending for Sam and Jack, I might reconsider my trust in them. But for now, no.

i wonder how many fans are doing that, even subconsciously? i made an active decision to not watch Atlantis because of my bitter feelings about how i felt, as a shipper fan, i was treated. i'm not expecting them to give ME what i want, but i don't appreciate being screwed with (New Order, Affinity) for no other reason than an agenda. i also wish i didn't know what the actors/writers/directors/producers really thought of everything, because if one doesn't share the same opinion, it can make you feel... whatever. i didn't create sam and jack ship, i only enjoyed what was created by the powers that be themselves. so if i want a resolution (real one, with show and tell), it's only a natural progresson. i wonder if other fans (ones not online) are feeling a reluctance to get excited by a ship pair on Atlantis?


sally :)

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 08:45 PM
your post reminded me of a good post i'd read on the 'ship discussion thread'. i'm going to c/p *some* of that post so you can see what i mean.


<snippety doo da>

~~~

i just thought some of what this post said rang very true. what you do you think?


sally :)
I guess I'll have to fall into the "I'll respectfully disagree" column here.

Since TPTB were hog-tied by the Air Force who nixed any real expression of ship between Sam and Jack, all they had left to express the obvious chemistry and angst between the two was looks, expressions and subtleties.

TPTB made it crystal clear...there would be no romantic relationship between the two of them while they were serving in the same chain of command. This may seem unclear to some; but to me, I understood that to mean that there would be no romantic relationship between the two of them while they were serving in the same chain of command.

So what were TPTB left with? They could A. Completely ignore the chemistry between the two of them (they tried, they failed). B. Give us beau coup glimpses of what their life would be like "if only..." (AU, memory loss, etc.). C. Remove one of the two characters from the chain of command, which due to RDA's semi-retirement (and I say semi because I'm still hoping for more suprise Jack visits) is actually feasible...whereas before, it would have ruined the show (and that's just MHO).

Regarding Kerry and Pete, these are each attempts made by the characters to try to have happiness in their lives since they couldn't be together. But as I posted earlier today, I think that Sam now had a frame of reference to compare and contrast her feelings for and a life with Pete versus her feelings for and a life with Jack. And Pete lost. As far as Kerry was concerned, she got out once she felt the vibe between Jack and Sam and realized she would be on the short end of that stick. Sure, she could have Jack, but he would never really be hers entirely.

As a shipper, I'm delighted that these things took place...because I don't believe that TPTB would produce anything along those lines if they didn't have any intention to continue the J/S ship theme on some level next season.

ses110
April 26th, 2005, 08:50 PM
Great point nickatell.Why bring in BB unless you feel AT MS and CJ cannot carry the show.I also feel there was no reason not to put Sam and Jack together at the end of Season 8.Threads should have gotten Sam and Jack together and the episode was about losing Jacob Sam breaking up with Pete and Daniel instead of Sam and Jack.I wish I could have hope for Season 9 but the way things stand now it does not look good for Sam and Jack Ship.I'am not going to tune in each week to see if Sam talks about Jack or if Sam is talking on the Phone with Jack.IMO this Show lost about 70% of its appeal withour RDA.Like Mary said Jack is the Glue.I said this a while ago and I'll say it again.Jack is the straw that stirs the Drink.

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 08:50 PM
That is true enough with Grace we got Threads....but with Grace we also got Pete which I could have done without. I would have preferred Sam evaluate more her feelings for Jack and then proceed on to Threads. That IMO would have really made me one very happy shipper

me too. ;)


but if they were going to give her a boyfriend, they should have made him someone worthy of her (in intellect, respect, and looks).


sally :)

Myrth
April 26th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Wow... UberSG1...my thoughts exactly.. only worded better... :)

ses110
April 26th, 2005, 08:55 PM
They could have told the Air Force to take a Hike.I'd rather see SG-1 use Toy Guns than have the Air Force decide what can be shown on a TV Show.I have all the respect in the World for the Air Force but IMO the Air Force has more important things to do.We all have to deal with Rules and Regulations in our daily Life.I for one do not want my favorite TV Show hurt by Rules and Regulations.TV should be about fun and enjoyment.I do not want SG-1 to follow the Air Force rules to a Tee.

nickatell
April 26th, 2005, 08:55 PM
I agree with what was said there Sally. I do believe that TPTB were not prepared to write a proper relationship between Jack and Sam. I also agree that by adding Pete and Kerry to the mixture made it look to some as though there was an advancement in the relationship between Jack and Sam when to me clearly there was none. How much closer are they then say back in D&C at least there Jack openly admits he has feelingd for Carter and now how many years later he tells her he will always be there for her. Where exactly is "always there" especially now that he will be in Washington in Season 9 . I didn't buy Sam questioning her feelings for Jack back then and I still don't now that she has seen the light; I only feel that this is where the injustice of Sams character started.

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 09:02 PM
me too. ;)


but if they were going to give her a boyfriend, they should have made him someone worthy of her (in intellect, respect, and looks).


sally :)
But then again, opposites do attract...which is why Sam and Jack work so well together.

And for the hundredth time, David DeLuise is HOT! :D I just don't see him as a Potato Head folks. He simply has gorgeous eyes and a beautiful smile.

As for the character Pete, I really didn't mind him too much. I had a slight problem with his tendancy to stalk - but that was just the cop in him telling him she wasn't being completely straight with him. Plus I think poor Pete realized early on...in fact he said as much in Threads...that she was WAY out of his league. I think he was pushing for them to get married quickly so she wouldn't have a chance to think about it too much.

I'm sure he figured that by her committing to and then marrying him, his position in her life would be secured and that they could work out any problems later on. Plus it was also fairly clear from Threads that he understood exactly WHY she wasn't going to marry him. Besides the whole "out of his league" thing, her heart was already taken by another...and he knew precisely who that "other" was.

He's a nice enough guy I think...and I even feel a little sorry for the schmo. He just was not the right guy for Sam.

ses110
April 26th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Mary you explained it better than I did.I think the Sam character was great in Seasons 1-6 and was on her way to be a great Leader than Season 7 and 8 happened.If Season 9 starts with Sam and Jack not together and we get the parade of Sam's Man friends that hurts the character even more.

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 09:07 PM
They could have told the Air Force to take a Hike.I'd rather see SG-1 use Toy Guns than have the Air Force decide what can be shown on a TV Show.I have all the respect in the World for the Air Force but IMO the Air Force has more important things to do.We all have to deal with Rules and Regulations in our daily Life.I for one do not want my favorite TV Show hurt by Rules and Regulations.TV should be about fun and enjoyment.I do not want SG-1 to follow the Air Force rules to a Tee.
Threads SPOILERS:


And isn't that what Kerry advised Jack? To consider how short life really is (and Jacob's death was a stark reminder of that reality) and seriously think about what his priorities are and should be?

KERRY: Is the Air Force the only thing keeping you two apart? Rules and regulations? 'cause if it is, you're making a very big mistake.

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 09:08 PM
There are lots of examples on both sides of the ship argument of where ship was done well and done poorly.

As maddening as it has been, FOR THE MOST PART I think it's been done fairly well...I mean TPTB understood that they couldn't jump full force into a relationship because of the very strict AF regs and the fact that the AF forbade anything that hinted of being inappropriate.

But the chemistry existed...so TPTB gave us tastes here and there, a smile, a look, a vibe (actually they can't give us a vibe...that comes from the natural chemistry generated by RDA and AT). They gave us alternate universes and time loops and memory loss...anywhere they could possibly give us some sort of acknowledgement of the mutual attraction/connection between Sam and Jack.

But season 8 is the deciding point here. Really, it's fish or cut bait...because there's only so long they can maintain the fevered level of attraction before driving everyone...including the actors...completely nuts. Fortunately for us, they chose not only to fully acknowledge and address the issue a la Threads, they decided that we were right.

So now shippers can have real hope because we got something from TPTB that we've been dreaming of for so long plus the added bonus that their situations will be so different now and the AF regs won't be an issue anymore.

while i agree with *everything* you've just said, i can't stop thinking about the ONE EP that changed all the rules and expectations for shippers. Chimera. so while everything you said makes sense, and i 'do' appreciate what the ptb have done, i still feel this melancholy about what-should-have-been. before chimera, i never expected to see romance like that shown on this show. after chimera, i wanted that for sam and jack too. so while i think pete was a very poorly thought out character for sam to grow with, i think the biggest damage that storyline did was make shippers want the exact same romance scenes shown for our ship couple too. that's always going to be a sticking point for me, and i wonder if it's going to be for the majority of the fans that enjoyed sam and jack too.


sally :)

Myrth
April 26th, 2005, 09:10 PM
I found the aspects of Sam we saw in 7 & 8 humanising... I couldn't say that the character has been "hurt" by any of it.

In real life things aren't perfect, people make the wrong choices and they question themselves. I saw Sam's growth in the events of those seasons... and this is just my thoughts... I'm a firm beleiver in the concept of each to their own... but without those questions, without looking for something more... Sam would have been another cliche character in a canon ship. I think 7 & 8 gave her more depth and added to what is a brilliant character. Not that there aren't points I would pick on (*cough* cryptic!conversations *cough*).. but overall I think it's been great.
:)

ses110
April 26th, 2005, 09:12 PM
IMO TPTB made Sam and Jack look helpless.Even with the Regs we should have gotten a Sam and Jack Adult conversation.Even when Jack found out about Pete TPTB decided to make the Scene Funny instead of having Sam and Jack have a serious Adult conversation.TPTB could have made the Sam character look great by having Sam tell Jack her reasons for Dating Pete.I love Humor but there's a Time and a place for Humor and the elvator scene was not the Time and place for Humor.

sg-1fanintn
April 26th, 2005, 09:13 PM
Welcome, Myrth!

My husband has had the computer for the last couple of hours. Something about work.....deadlines......blah, blah, blah! Now that I have it back, and have read your series of posts, I have to go in the Uber column. I'm glad all these things happened (except for Jack leaving), and I'm still hopeful for S9.

Don't get yourselves upset about what TPTB have told you. Remember, they're not going to give away all their surprises before July. There's still the January premiere to consider.

And don't be so literal about who is going to be where and when. It's not what they've told you.....it's what they haven't told you. I work in the media, and I guarantee you that all media announcements are carefully timed. The job of TPTB is to dole out spoilers (or surprises) as they serve their purpose, and that means doling things out at intervals to keep us interested. Frankly, they're doing a great job at that!

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 09:15 PM
I agree with what was said there Sally. I do believe that TPTB were not prepared to write a proper relationship between Jack and Sam. I also agree that by adding Pete and Kerry to the mixture made it look to some as though there was an advancement in the relationship between Jack and Sam when to me clearly there was none. How much closer are they then say back in D&C at least there Jack openly admits he has feelingd for Carter and now how many years later he tells her he will always be there for her. Where exactly is "always there" especially now that he will be in Washington in Season 9 . I didn't buy Sam questioning her feelings for Jack back then and I still don't now that she has seen the light; I only feel that this is where the injustice of Sams character started.
I believe that she wrongly concluded in Grace that she needed to move on with another man. That man turned out to be Pete. But if it hadn't have been Pete, it would have been some other guy...because she was finally open to the idea of an intimate relationship with someone.

Then, with the Pete frame of reference, she was able to fully analyze her scenario and realized that happiness didn't lie in having a life with just anyone. The contrast of Pete to Jack helped her fully recognize that her feelings for Pete paled in comparison to what she felt for Jack.

Thankfully she came to the understanding that her Grace conclusions (that she only had romantic thoughts for him so she wouldn't open herself up to be hurt) were completely wrong.

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 09:21 PM
while i agree with *everything* you've just said, i can't stop thinking about the ONE EP that changed all the rules and expectations for shippers. Chimera. so while everything you said makes sense, and i 'do' appreciate what the ptb have done, i still feel this melancholy about what-should-have-been. before chimera, i never expected to see romance like that shown on this show. after chimera, i wanted that for sam and jack too. so while i think pete was a very poorly thought out character for sam to grow with, i think the biggest damage that storyline did was make shippers want the exact same romance scenes shown for our ship couple too. that's always going to be a sticking point for me, and i wonder if it's going to be for the majority of the fans that enjoyed sam and jack too.


sally :)
Ah, yes. Pete...someone not in her chain of command so she could do whatever she wanted to with him. He was "in-bounds." The good news is that Chimera gave us a glimpse of the romantic/passionate side of Samantha Carter, something we have never gotten to see up to that point. Also, it meant that Sam was finally ready for a real relationship.

Obviously as a Sam/Jack shipper, it was tough to watch because of course I want that for Sam and Jack eventually. And now with Jack and Sam's situations changing so radically next season, I think they'll get to that point.

Of course they'll have the additional complication of knowing and caring about each other as really good friends. They're both cautious people when it comes to their personal feelings...and, just my feeling here folks...although they felt "free" to pursue their respective relationships with Pete/Kerry, it will be different for Sam and Jack with each other because of their pre-existing relationship and also because their feelings for each other are genuine (which was not true with P and K). So it's just possible that they might choose to take things slow and easy at first, to make sure that they aren't making a mistake with each other and to ensure not to hurt their existing relationship.

I of course hope that is not ENTIRELY the case. I do want them to ease comfortably into a full on romantic relationship...BUT I want at least ONE really good kiss next season with the promise of significantly more to come...like surprise visits to CO for Jack and DC for Sam...maybe a dinner out and a nice comfortable time together at home...

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 09:22 PM
But Uber is right: we have arrived at the point where they must almost certainly "fish or cut bait" (a lovely southern expression). I still think RDA's departure makes it easier to acknowledge, because they can deal with it, acknowledge it and get on with the new stories they plan. And I also believe that RDA will be back for the season 9 (series?) finale, and that direct-to-DVD movies (1-2 per year) will follow right after that. All four original stars have said they'd be in for movies.

Yes, all the pieces are in place. Now, girls and boys, just join hands, close your eyes, and make a wish.....that our happy ending is just over the rainbow! And remember too.....the "Ed" wedding was the last episode of the series!

between you and Uber, i'm feeling better. :D (thanks!)


sally :)

nickatell
April 26th, 2005, 09:22 PM
I think that if TPTB had intended on writing a relationship between Jack and Sam, then one of them probably Sam would not have been in the AF. The fact that the chemistry between RDA and AT exploded on the screen somewhat forced TPTB into starting a relationship between them; but by then their positions were already established and so began the regs obstacle.

I also disagree with what someone wrote earlier, I'm sorry I don't remember who wrote it, I don't believe that TPTB did take every advantage to give us a relationship between Jack and Sam. There were so many out-takes where there was a kiss intended or a relationship established and they decided to take it out for one reason or another. Now, I'm not talking where AT and RDA decided not to speak; but all of the other times. Had they given us all the time they could between Jack and Sam without taking away from the stories, I don't think that the shippers would have felt as desperate as we were or are. Or maybe we would have at least felt like TPTB were trying to give us something.

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 09:26 PM
IMO TPTB made Sam and Jack look helpless.Even with the Regs we should have gotten a Sam and Jack Adult conversation.Even when Jack found out about Pete TPTB decided to make the Scene Funny instead of having Sam and Jack have a serious Adult conversation.TPTB could have made the Sam character look great by having Sam tell Jack her reasons for Dating Pete.I love Humor but there's a Time and a place for Humor and the elvator scene was not the Time and place for Humor.
I thought the elevator scene was entirely appropriate; funny even. It showed that even with Sam trying to move on, the tension between them was still growing to a fevered pitch...and humor is Jack's way of avoiding uncomfortable topics.

Plus it would have been completely inappropriate for him to discuss his personal feelings for her as she was under his command. And as much as I want them together, I knew that they'd never have "the talk" until after their situations were radically different (ie, he's no longer in her chain of command).

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 09:44 PM
I also disagree with others who think that, after Grace, she could have come to the understanding that she loved Jack for real without attempting a relationship with some other guy because the conclusions she made dictated that she try to find happiness with another man.

Then when she developed a rapport with Pete and found she was attracted to him, she thought that meant that this was in fact that life she had been avoiding. But then the reality struck her (house, dog, 'til death do us part with Pete) and she had a basis for comparison now between "a life" with Pete and her feelings for Jack...and that's how she fully came to realize her feelings for Jack were genuine.

Without that basis for comparison, I just don't see how she could have reached the conclusion she did in Threads that marrying Pete would be a huge honkin' mistake...because she really loved Jack.

while i'm agreeing with so much of what you've said, i feel sam already came to that epiphany in season 7 with Heroes 2 and Lost City(s). i felt she already figured out that she 'was', in fact, in love with jack, that it wasn't just some kind of misguided crush. so going from the powerful drama of Lost City to the ho-hum and i'm-still-with-my-boyfriend in New Order made absolutely no sense. i felt the only reason pete was still in the picture in New Order was to distance sam from the whiny/piney stuff (that i did NOT see) and to lengthen the 'will they/won't they' stuff. i could be wrong, but a bitter fan will see things like this.


sally :)

nickatell
April 26th, 2005, 09:49 PM
Uber, just to be clear, what you are saying is that Season eight basically saw the personal growth of Sam Carter's feelings for a "normal" life and her realization that her love for Jack is more important than a "normal" life, right?????? This much I agree with you on; but was this realization important enought to use up valuable time and episodes when one half of the relationship would not be returning as a regular in the next season???? To me these points, if they were that important would have been addressed in season 3 bringing us to the proper resolution in Season 8. I think the timing for these "realizations" is what is off in this relationship. Really when you think about it we could have all of season 9 dealing with Jack feeling not worthy of Sams affections as another evasive tactic by TPTB. Granted all of these things could and do happen in real life; but folks as we all know this is a tv show we have to speed "real life" up, our boy is leaving or has left the building.

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 10:02 PM
you make a very good point-but i think that the fault lies with the writers and the boys in vancouver not with the inability of AT, CJ or MS to carry the show-i do think that they didn't make effective use of RDA-especially since he was pretty much in every episode in season 8. I also believe that his Jack was a bitter, angry and lonely man. I don't know how much of that was true to the way he wished to protray Jack or the way it ended up-and i think that we where short-sheeted as far as their relationship goes. It sitll don't know what caused Sam to approach Jack-because we had no indication she was unhappy with Pete-I was unhappy with Pete and happy enough to see it end-but i would have liked a more definitive resolution-and my big fear for season 9 is they will totally ignore it and act like it never happened

here's an exerpt from a new interview thinger from rob cooper and brad wright from the creation/vancouver con.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2005/04/cooperandwrightonisg-1isav.shtml


"We saw 'Reckoning' one and two and 'Threads' and 'Moebius' as the end of a chapter of the series," Cooper explained. "And now Season Nine is going to begin a new chapter. And we're very excited about it. There's a renewed energy among the returning cast, and a whole new energy that the new cast is bringing. And everyone involved with the show, I think, is the happiest we've ever been."

my response: if they drop sam/jack, they've dropped me as a viewer.


sally :)

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 10:03 PM
while i'm agreeing with so much of what you've said, i feel sam already came to that epiphany in season 7 with Heroes 2 and Lost City(s). i felt she already figured out that she 'was', in fact, in love with jack, that it wasn't just some kind of misguided crush. so going from the powerful drama of Lost City to the ho-hum and i'm-still-with-my-boyfriend in New Order made absolutely no sense. i felt the only reason pete was still in the picture in New Order was to distance sam from the whiny/piney stuff (that i did NOT see) and to lengthen the 'will they/won't they' stuff. i could be wrong, but a bitter fan will see things like this.


sally :)
I agree she already started to see the light as of Heroes 2 and Lost City. But what was she supposed to do with those feelings? She still couldn't have Jack...

With New Order, she had had a few months without Jack and was futily trying to build something with Pete (a topic of conversation she was clearly uncomfortable with). In Affinity, she continued to try to build her house of cards with Pete as she struggled with her Jack issues...and made a poor move in accepting his proposal (all in the attempt to have a life with someone).

Even through the first part of Threads, she was still trying to talk herself into it. She deserved a life, doggone it, and Pete was going to be that guy. Jacob of course saw right through the bravado. Her "I am going to marry him, Dad" declaration sounded like she was trying to convince herself more than she was trying to convince him.

But Sam's REAL "cold splash of water" moment came when Pete sprung for a house without telling her. I think that's the exact moment that all the doubts and second-guessing she had been doing since, well practically the beginning, really came to fruition..."I CANNOT MARRY THIS MAN" screamed inside of her head.

So it was up to her. Jack couldn't broach the topic due to the overly-mentioned-by-me-this-evening commanding officer issue; plus, even if he was "allowed" to talk about it, I got the sense that he was trying to be supportive on some level of her happiness. So Sam finally took that step and was willing to put it all on the line; to hash out her feelings with Jack and see where he stood. She was there to tell him about her misgivings about Pete and why she had them; and I think, because of that watershed decision, that willingness to tell him the truth and find out if he shared her feelings, Sam was ready to make some major career decisions based on the outcome of that conversation.

nickatell
April 26th, 2005, 10:11 PM
I agree with you Sally, if TPTB were going to jump this deeply into Sam's emotions by introducing a boyfriend, then having the relationship develop into a marriage proposal all unfolding before our very eyes;then how can they justify using just the fishing invitation as a suggestion that her relationship with Jack is back on track. I mean IMO the passion, emotion and energy it took to introduce the new boyfriend should have also been given to the conclusion or realization that her love for Jack is truly what is real and important. I understand in doing so a decision would have had to have been made in order to advance the relationship and keep in line with the AF regs, which is what we didn't get for the conslusion of Season 8 which IMO is where is should have been.

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Another thing that makes me mad is that after hearing about the regs for the last eight years in Season 9 they will have Jack leaving for Home World Security in Washington and Sam not even there until episode 5 or 6. I mean this has been a major blockade for the relationship and we don't even get to see them together when this occurs. I mean hello major development!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to say this is a big part of what angered me about the conclusion of season 8; knowing RDA was not going to be around may be at all for Season 9 and still having AT wouldn't this have been the time to get rid of the regs and bring them together so we could have all enjoyed seeing this.?? I do agree that if RDA still planned on being in Season 9 as a regular than TPTB still had room to advance the relationship and give us shippers what we are stillllllllllll hoping for, but????????????? Honestly I feel that TPTB are counting on the fans from Farscape, and are leaving the door open a minuscule for the shippers to still have hope for something more to happen between Jack and Sam to keep Season 9 alive. I also feel that if I were MS, CJ or AT I would have been a little hurt that even TPTB don't feel that they could have carried the show off without Jack because they had to find another lead main character with his own fanfair to keep another season going. To me Season 9 just seems so wrong on so many levels.


yep.


sally :)

nickatell
April 26th, 2005, 10:21 PM
Which is another fear of mine, I kind of think that TPTB feel that they have brought closure to this relationship and don't plan on developing it any further. Although reading it with my "super shipper glasses" it could also mean that with the conclusion of last season it ended the chapter where Sam and Jack have obstacles in their way and the New Season brings new life to their relationship. I can' t believe I just said that... Okay somebody wake me from this shipper dream I am having, the hope inside of me for Jack and Sam will not die.

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 10:24 PM
(snipped)


As a shipper, I'm delighted that these things took place...because I don't believe that TPTB would produce anything along those lines if they didn't have any intention to continue the J/S ship theme on some level next season.

i try *sooooo* hard to think this way, uber, but all these years in fandom, hearing the opinions of the ppl making the show... i just don't trust them. the next logical step is sam and jack IN a relationship, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. when info first started coming out for season 9, we were getting nice vibes. rob cooper said sam would be away from the sgc for 'personal and professional' reason. joe mallozzi took it back to only 'professional'. we wanted jack to make an appearance, and then we found out we 'was' going to be in some eps - two of the five eps sam's missing from. add into that that there are NO shippy spoilers coming out, even though joe malliozzi told us we could ask ship-minded questions after season 8 was done... it's getting harder and harder to stay optimistic. i'm trying, and mostly holding on with my love of the sam carter character, but the shipper in me is so punch-drunk that... but i'm trying, uber.


sally :)

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 10:25 PM
Uber, just to be clear, what you are saying is that Season eight basically saw the personal growth of Sam Carter's feelings for a "normal" life and her realization that her love for Jack is more important than a "normal" life, right?????? This much I agree with you on; but was this realization important enought to use up valuable time and episodes when one half of the relationship would not be returning as a regular in the next season???? To me these points, if they were that important would have been addressed in season 3 bringing us to the proper resolution in Season 8. I think the timing for these "realizations" is what is off in this relationship. Really when you think about it we could have all of season 9 dealing with Jack feeling not worthy of Sams affections as another evasive tactic by TPTB. Granted all of these things could and do happen in real life; but folks as we all know this is a tv show we have to speed "real life" up, our boy is leaving or has left the building.
Season 3 gave us glimpses that they were feeling things beyond what they were supposed to feel, given their work scenario. But was that enough for them to ditch their careers and pursue a romance? And would we as fans been happy if SG-1 disbanded so early on in the series for them to have a love story? And what would they have done to that active love story over the last several years? There would have had to have been conflict to keep the romance interesting. Would they have gotten married, separated and then back together? Plus there's the added problem of turning Stargate SG-1 into "As the Gate Turns."

And as to the lateness of these revelations, I think they needed the time and so did we. As I said before, Season 3 or 4 would have been too early in their "relationship" for them to do something drastic. Plus, I as a fan felt and enjoyed the angst of watching them have feelings they weren't free to express. It builds tension and makes the actual "getting together" all the more sweet. If they had done that too early, I don't think the pay off would be as good. But, as AT put it, enough is enough. Either get on with it or move on already! And that's the point we're at now, which I think is perfect timing because the attraction and tension between them is at that deliciously fevered pitch.

And about Season 9, as I recall, they didn't know there'd even be a 9th season for quite awhile. So I believe that Season 8 is a crescendo in the Sam/Jack saga that really built up steam in Season 4 and then the bulk of the issue was set aside for a couple seasons. Then I was scared they were going to ditch the issue entirely. But with Paradise Lost came the fact that there was still something there beneath the surface as it were and it continued to build without the supervision of TPTB.

But that's the thing with feelings and chemistry...if it's real, it exists whether it's planned or written. It would have been dishonest to the characters to completely ignore it forever, but they could have done it permanently with Sam marrying Pete and Jack building something with Kerry.

So with 8, we have massive character growth in both Sam and Jack...and hope for more in Season 9.

Now as upset as I am that it's not Jack, Teal'c, Sam and Daniel on SG-1 anymore, the fact is that things change. It is a sad reality of life. Even still, things are progressing both professionally and personally for these two dynamic characters. Plus, living that kind of "on the front line" life just can't be maintained forever.

I still think/hope we may see more of RDA than we know or can be told...that's just a gut feeling here...so I think that, unless TPTB truly HATE shippers, and plan to completely disregard the massive story arc of Sam and Jack that they themselves chose to explore in great detail this past season, we will have some acknowledgement on some level of something between Sam and Jack.

Uber
April 26th, 2005, 10:33 PM
i try *sooooo* hard to think this way, uber, but all these years in fandom, hearing the opinions of the ppl making the show... i just don't trust them. the next logical step is sam and jack IN a relationship, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. when info first started coming out for season 9, we were getting nice vibes. rob cooper said sam would be away from the sgc for 'personal and professional' reason. joe mallozzi took it back to only 'professional'. we wanted jack to make an appearance, and then we found out we 'was' going to be in some eps - two of the five eps sam's missing from. add into that that there are NO shippy spoilers coming out, even though joe malliozzi told us we could ask ship-minded questions after season 8 was done... it's getting harder and harder to stay optimistic. i'm trying, and mostly holding with my love of the sam carter character, but the shipper in me is so punch-drunk that... but i'm trying, uber.


sally :)
Only time will tell how things will really play out...and I've been on a ship that burned at sea myself. So I'm not hopelessly naive here (promise).

I just started to think about some of the stuff we as shippers were given in Season 8 and really believe that unless TPTB are cruel and heartless and have zero interest in continuing a theme THEY THEMSELVES chose to put in the forefront, we will have something.

My hopes for Season 9 are not huge, though. I want a kiss or a conversation or a phone call or a visit...some kind of confirmation...because even if this is the last season, we know there will be movies, etc., so they still have to be careful with the issue. They don't want to paint themselves into a proverbial corner...

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 10:47 PM
And for the hundredth time, David DeLuise is HOT! :D I just don't see him as a Potato Head folks. He simply has gorgeous eyes and a beautiful smile.

david definitely has his charms ;), i just didn't feel the HE'S SO HOT I'M GOING TO MELT thing that i want to feel when i'm shipping a couple.


As for the character Pete, I really didn't mind him too much. I had a slight problem with his tendancy to stalk - but that was just the cop in him telling him she wasn't being completely straight with him.

well, his cop instincts *snort* might have been telling him that she wasn't being straight with him, but he still shouldn't have done what he did. it wasn't nice, plain and simple. he pushed, and she... crumbled. and this was all from a relationship that was only about three weeks old.

take out the second half of chimera, and he wasn't a bad guy. but that last half did him irrefutable damage. and how did the ptb try to fix the prob? rob cooper told us we had issues. i still feel all warm and tingly with the amount of care that went into fixing that particular prob. david deluise himself said he wouldn't have done that to a person, and amanda said she thought it would be addressed later on. but when all the feedback came in, everyone associated with the show got defensive. no fix.

i'm trying not to be so negative, but all it would take is an HONEST answer from someone associated with this show if sam and jack are going to be dealt with in season 8. forget the 'we won't tell them anything to continue to pull them in'... the show needs to be honest with us, or a few (or more) will just pack up and leave. do they really want that? or do they not care, seeing as they're basically making another spin-off that just happens to have teal'c and daniel and some sam in it.

now would be a good time for some positive remarks to make the shippers excited about trying a no-jack and smaller amount of sam show. a really good time.


sally :)

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Ah, yes. Pete...someone not in her chain of command so she could do whatever she wanted to with him. He was "in-bounds." The good news is that Chimera gave us a glimpse of the romantic/passionate side of Samantha Carter, something we have never gotten to see up to that point. Also, it meant that Sam was finally ready for a real relationship.

Obviously as a Sam/Jack shipper, it was tough to watch because of course I want that for Sam and Jack eventually. And now with Jack and Sam's situations changing so radically next season, I think they'll get to that point.

Of course they'll have the additional complication of knowing and caring about each other as really good friends. They're both cautious people when it comes to their personal feelings...and, just my feeling here folks...although they felt "free" to pursue their respective relationships with Pete/Kerry, it will be different for Sam and Jack with each other because of their pre-existing relationship and also because their feelings for each other are genuine (which was not true with P and K). So it's just possible that they might choose to take things slow and easy at first, to make sure that they aren't making a mistake with each other and to ensure not to hurt their existing relationship.

I of course hope that is not ENTIRELY the case. I do want them to ease comfortably into a full on romantic relationship...BUT I want at least ONE really good kiss next season with the promise of significantly more to come...like surprise visits to CO for Jack and DC for Sam...maybe a dinner out and a nice comfortable time together at home...

if the show showed that, i'd be in shipper heaven. and that's an understatement. :p


sally :)

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 11:11 PM
I agree she already started to see the light as of Heroes 2 and Lost City. But what was she supposed to do with those feelings? She still couldn't have Jack...

With New Order, she had had a few months without Jack and was futily trying to build something with Pete (a topic of conversation she was clearly uncomfortable with). In Affinity, she continued to try to build her house of cards with Pete as she struggled with her Jack issues...and made a poor move in accepting his proposal (all in the attempt to have a life with someone).

Even through the first part of Threads, she was still trying to talk herself into it. She deserved a life, doggone it, and Pete was going to be that guy. Jacob of course saw right through the bravado. Her "I am going to marry him, Dad" declaration sounded like she was trying to convince herself more than she was trying to convince him.

But Sam's REAL "cold splash of water" moment came when Pete sprung for a house without telling her. I think that's the exact moment that all the doubts and second-guessing she had been doing since, well practically the beginning, really came to fruition..."I CANNOT MARRY THIS MAN" screamed inside of her head.

So it was up to her. Jack couldn't broach the topic due to the overly-mentioned-by-me-this-evening commanding officer issue; plus, even if he was "allowed" to talk about it, I got the sense that he was trying to be supportive on some level of her happiness. So Sam finally took that step and was willing to put it all on the line; to hash out her feelings with Jack and see where he stood. She was there to tell him about her misgivings about Pete and why she had them; and I think, because of that watershed decision, that willingness to tell him the truth and find out if he shared her feelings, Sam was ready to make some major career decisions based on the outcome of that conversation.

i'm trying to be more positive, uber, but it's hard when i've been in fandom as long as i have and know all the things i know..... but i'm trying, and your posts are definitely getting to me. :)


sally :)

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 11:21 PM
Which is another fear of mine, I kind of think that TPTB feel that they have brought closure to this relationship and don't plan on developing it any further. Although reading it with my "super shipper glasses" it could also mean that with the conclusion of last season it ended the chapter where Sam and Jack have obstacles in their way and the New Season brings new life to their relationship. I can' t believe I just said that... Okay somebody wake me from this shipper dream I am having, the hope inside of me for Jack and Sam will not die.

i know, nickatell, i do the same thing. :p one moment i'm down about ship, and the next i can feel that optimism again. the rob/brad comment about "the end of a chapter of the series. And now Season Nine is going to begin a new chapter." could mean the end of the UST to the new chapter of RST. it 'could' mean that... i just need to trust these ptb. (trying, trying)

sally :)

majorsal
April 26th, 2005, 11:30 PM
(snip)

I still think/hope we may see more of RDA than we know or can be told...that's just a gut feeling here...so I think that, unless TPTB truly HATE shippers, and plan to completely disregard the massive story arc of Sam and Jack that they themselves chose to explore in great detail this past season, we will have some acknowledgement on some level of something between Sam and Jack.

i'm going to keep this paragraph so that when i'm feeling discouraged about sam and jack in season 9, i can read over your optimistic (and logical) thoughts and feel some hope. :)


sally :D

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 01:12 AM
((((Uber)))) and (((Nickatell))) Thank you for your 2 great posts ...it's like the light at the end of the Tunnel ;)

It was great to read ..and feel what could be between Sam and Jack in season 9 :)


Caty:)

melpomene
April 27th, 2005, 01:14 AM
i'm going to keep this paragraph so that when i'm feeling discouraged about sam and jack in season 9, i can read over your optimistic (and logical) thoughts and feel some hope. :)


sally :D


I just think about how things have been escalating since ther beginning, how they're so much more involved in each other's lives. At the start they could see other people, and were only mildly involved in any affairs-like sam's dissapointment in A Hundred Days- But when :eek: came along, and then what's-her-name. Thier affairs with other people are so deeply entwined with thier feelings for each other it's impossible to beleive they could ever live normal, seperate lives. There was no attempt to cover up how much thier "relationships" were affected by thier love for each other.

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 01:40 AM
I think that if TPTB had intended on writing a relationship between Jack and Sam, then one of them probably Sam would not have been in the AF. The fact that the chemistry between RDA and AT exploded on the screen somewhat forced TPTB into starting a relationship between them; but by then their positions were already established and so began the regs obstacle.

I also disagree with what someone wrote earlier, I'm sorry I don't remember who wrote it, I don't believe that TPTB did take every advantage to give us a relationship between Jack and Sam. There were so many out-takes where there was a kiss intended or a relationship established and they decided to take it out for one reason or another. Now, I'm not talking where AT and RDA decided not to speak; but all of the other times. Had they given us all the time they could between Jack and Sam without taking away from the stories, I don't think that the shippers would have felt as desperate as we were or are. Or maybe we would have at least felt like TPTB were trying to give us something.


You 're right Nickatell ..missed opportunities big time ..As I said before , it is the worst ship handled on screen ( season 7 & 8 only) that I have seen in a sci-fi series ..and I saw other sci series where there was a team ..but the ship was done very well ...like "The lost world " comes to mind .It was a team show ...and the ship between Marguerite and Roxton ...and veronica and Ned Malone was outstanding ...They were other characters too and they had their place in each episode too .

The lost world never became the Marguerite and Roxton show or the Veronica and Ned show ...It was still a team show but the ship was near perfection ..and was always part of the mythology and that TPTB never let down the shippers .

Why ?!! because the producers of that show (TBPB) are part of the lost world family forum . They talk to their fans ..I have spoken to them many times , they know me personnaly as Caty like they also know others ..I have been contacted by one of the actors in the lost world because I made a video for his character and he loved it ...He visits my website and he showed the video I made for his character to all his family and friends ..and I'm talking about the actor there . ;)

Some TPTB are very very interested in the fans ..and they always ask if we liked the episode or not and why . As long as there is genuine ineraction between TPTB and their fans , we usually get somewhere but for that they just need to become a member of the board and not throw a post in passing and disregard any questions .After all ...fans make the show what it is :)


...and most important the worst thing to do as a TPTB is say something and take it back a week later ( ex: Sam leaving SGC for professional and personnal reasons )..otherwise ..where is the trust of the fans for them ?!! If they are not sure ..then just don't say it .

Regarding spoilers coming from TPTB Stargate ..they are never about Sam and Jack ship ...All they want to do is throw a pic of Sam and Pete with a ring or Jack in his bedroom with another woman ....If we get something from Sam and Jack ..it's them walking together in the sand without a smile on their face ..that you actually wonder if they even like each other or they thrown some kind of AU photos that nobody understands (The jail cell pic from Moebius)..and they will carry on doing that ...I bet we gonna get a pic of Sam with orlin , a pic of Sam with Baa'l and another one with Barrett in some spoilers to come for season 9 regarding the Sam and Jack characters ...She 'll have a nice smile on her face in those pics ...and we'll get a Pic of Jack either in his office in Washington with a sad look on his face either alone or talking to another woman ..All the 15 other photos will be from vala , cameron , Daniel ..we'll be even lucky to get one of Teal'c !!! :S ...I can just sense it ..this is the way Stargate TPTB operates :rolleyes:


Conclusion : You can have a team show and still have great ship ;)


Caty:)

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 02:00 AM
Anyone else wondering if they're delaying the resolution because of the possiblity of the second Stargate movie.. wherein one could assume the ship could be resolved in it's 'big honkin kiss' glory?

Just a thought....

:)

Ps Is there a big honkin kiss petition? I'll sign it ;)

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 03:34 AM
But then again, opposites do attract...which is why Sam and Jack work so well together.

And for the hundredth time, David DeLuise is HOT! :D I just don't see him as a Potato Head folks. He simply has gorgeous eyes and a beautiful smile.

As for the character Pete, I really didn't mind him too much. I had a slight problem with his tendancy to stalk - but that was just the cop in him telling him she wasn't being completely straight with him. Plus I think poor Pete realized early on...in fact he said as much in Threads...that she was WAY out of his league. I think he was pushing for them to get married quickly so she wouldn't have a chance to think about it too much.

I'm sure he figured that by her committing to and then marrying him, his position in her life would be secured and that they could work out any problems later on. Plus it was also fairly clear from Threads that he understood exactly WHY she wasn't going to marry him. Besides the whole "out of his league" thing, her heart was already taken by another...and he knew precisely who that "other" was.

He's a nice enough guy I think...and I even feel a little sorry for the schmo. He just was not the right guy for Sam.


I'm not sure Pete knew who that "other one "was though?!!Pete never saw Sam and Jack together really and I don't think Sam talked to Pete about Jack or did she?!!! :eek: :D

Caty:)

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 03:40 AM
Anyone else wondering if they're delaying the resolution because of the possiblity of the second Stargate movie.. wherein one could assume the ship could be resolved in it's 'big honkin kiss' glory?

Just a thought....

:)

Ps Is there a big honkin kiss petition? I'll sign it ;)

You know :) the more I think about it the more I think we won't get a movie cuz it may mean that we get the new team in there unless they ( the original team) separates for a while and they are being brought back for a new mission ..like they did with the Scoubidoo film ..LOL ..that would be nice but only if we have the original team in it and by that time Sam and Jack will be married .I would love to see that but with no new members in the team . I don't think the film should emphasize on the UST Sam and Jack ..but I would be happy to see them with a bit of RST and the occasional tender loving touch ect..... like cudddling up together while sleeping in the wild :D Something that all the shippers deserve to see and something that sam and Jack deserve to act upon on screen ;)

Caty :)

sueKay
April 27th, 2005, 04:35 AM
Heya!

Yup...in school again *groan*

After reading the last few pages, I have to agree about Sam...I don't think she's cut out to be the lead...if she was still season 1 - 6 Sam...then yeah...but not after season eight.

What I think we should do?

Do what the Voyager fans (Eye of Botox included I think) did!

Why don't we make a VIRTUAL season...completely ignore season nine and make our own 22 'episode' saga.

We could handle ship the way we want it
We could have the villains and characters we like
We could have Jack in the stories as much as possible
We have enough talented and dedicated writers to pull it off and make it believeable.

Who's with me? We can make our OWN season nine for people who are no longer interested in the actual season nine. I'm not saying snub the show, I'll definitely still be watching, but we can create our OWN canon.

sueKay
April 27th, 2005, 04:38 AM
I think Pete had an inkling that Sam was in love with someone else

Pete: I wish I could believe this had something to do with your father

But I don't think he knew who it was

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 04:41 AM
Warning: this is an opinion I've felt for awhile but held back on stating. Please don't crucify me for it. . .


I know there are some really big Sam fans here, but I just don't see it. Amanda is a good actress, yes, and until S7 and S8, Sam was a great character, but in spite of that, I don't think she can carry the show.

Maybe I'm jaded. Everything people are saying about Sam/AT is what was said about Scully/Gillian Anderson when the exact same thing was happening on XF, and, to be blunt, the seasons she tried to carry were a disaster. I do think that a woman could carry a show, I just don't think these *characters* can.

I can also cite the episodes we've seen that had no Jack, where Sam took lead, and I really saw very little there to keep me interested. Could it be that TPTB simply don't have the capacity to write for a woman? Absolutely. But whether it's that or something else, the end result is the same: the show is lifeless without Jack. He's the glue that holds the team together, just as much as the glue that holds the show together.

Consider, for example, the difference between a leading female character and a secondary female character who is turned "leading". If Sam had been written as a "lead" from the start, it's very possible they could do this. (I don't watch SGA, but I get the impression that the female lead on that is the type I'm talking about.) But trying to take a well-written secondary and make them leading is generally an unsuccessful thing to do in television. Think about how many spinoffs fail miserably and you'll see what I mean.

Anyway, that's just MHO. I like Sam the way she is, but I just don't believe that, even with AT's talent, she can be turned into a leading roll just because they or we want her to.

Comparison ship X-files /Stargate :

(((Buc))) I know you are against season 8 and 9 Xfiles ..but I also know that you are a fan of the show in general like I am . ;)

So, I don't think the the last 2 season of X-files were a TOTAL disaster ..I agree that it was a shame that Mulder left to protect himself and his family but Gillian did the best she could to carry the show with what she was given ...I mean she was supposed to portray Scully as a nervous wreck for the last 2 years because of her love for Mulder...She had to show that she could not live without him and she did well to demonstrate that .

I'm not particularly keen on the wimpy Scully but as somebody else just says ...you go through changes in your life and for Scully...The fact that Mulder had to leave her behind and they only communicated through e-mail was hearbreaking for her specially because she had a little one who reminded her of Mulder every minute of the day.

It's TPTB 's fault to have created such a storyline..Scully should have gone with Mulder and let the new generation x-files takes over the basement of the FBI ...It would have been better .

What I'm happy about in the x-files is that they never let Scully or Mulder have a long term relationship with anybody else than them ...and for that reason , it was less strenuous to watch than Stargate ...It was very sad though to go through the last 2 seasons because of Mulder missing and the baby storyline .

I never understood why they ( TPTB) brought the baby to just remove it straight after ....I mean when you have a child , it's for life ..and considering that Scully desesperately wanted one so badly ...it should have been the baby of a lifetime .

I do realize the problem for a future movie with a baby in the background specially when they both learnt in "the truth "that the alien invasion was for 2012 ........but what have they (TPTB) done there ?""" :rolleyes:

We can't undo it ..Even if they do a movie 2 , the baby still exists and I just can't see a movie where Mulder and Sculy will never talk about him ever again ..even if it is a stand alone movie .

Other than that when Mulder was around the ship was great ...not perfect and I'll say why in my conclusion ...Every opportunity was taken ..and even when he was not there for most of season 8 and 9 ..we could see Scully's pain to live without him ..She even was working like Mulder in some episodes ..and could see the x-files cases like Mulder would see it .

The only missed opportunity that TPTB missed was the birth scene ..That was pretty much of a let down for all shippers ...Ok Mulder did turn up but too late when she had to give birth in front of all those aliens ..I mean it is a pretty dramatic scene and I undestand it is a sci-fi show and so it should be dramatic but to have Mulder not being present for the birth was a total let down plus the car race in the middle of it :S ..also It would have been nice to see Mulder take Scully to the helicopter ..That would have made a big difference ...because he did it off screen ..We just didn't see it ...but I think it would have been a very touching moment .


As for Stargate ship , I just hope that if they get rid of Jack in season 9 it will be for a happy reason and hope they won't make Sam wimpy but happy with her new relationship with Jack even if it is a long distance one. I don't mind the occasional little tear when she misses Jack but no more than that.

I think if TPTB writes the Sam character very well in season 9 ..then Amanda should be able to carry the show with Teal'c and Daniel but that means no interference with more ship like Orlin and Barrett and Baa'l and only if they keep those guys for mythology purposes only .

However I have the feelings that they will use them to spice up the show may be in a good way I don't know ..but I can see those guys ( except Baa'l) hitting on Sam another time ...so that she can say that she is seeing someone ..I would prefer if she would reply "I'm engaged to be married" but hey I'm not TPTB :(


Conclusion :)

oK ,Just to say that if any TPTB was listening and thinking for a bit longer ,all ship sci-fi shows would be great .

What any TPTB really needs is : to employ a good mixture of Men and women writers.

I think this is where the shows fails ..X-files had men writers and Stargate too . and this is fine for the action sci-fi pieces of art work ..but when it comes to the ship .. women should be involved so that they can give a truer nature and a more sensitive aspect to create a perfect or nearly perfect ship .

"The lost world " had women writers ..and this is a reason why the ship was tremendously well done .

Any other sci-fi shows that you know have women and men writers and that you have nearly not be disappointed at all .??

Caty:)

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 04:56 AM
My sense is that ... and I'll answer Caty here too ... if they completely drop the topic, it would be untrue to the huge S/J story arc, beginning with Divide and Conquer (which they fully acknowledged in the beginning of Threads).

Additionally, it would be untrue to the character development and the things I posted before about Grace and Threads. Sam came to conclusions in Grace, played them out, realized some of them were wrong and corrected them in Threads. To not continue something in Season 9 or heaven forbid pair her with some other guy would be completely out of character for Sam.

That being said, of course I'm a little scared that TPTB will do something stupid and drop everything...just move on with the new guys and let us all down. But I personally believe that it would be a suicidal move because of how un-Samlike it would be for her to not even think or mention Jack. I mean, if they wanted to abandon the Sam/Jack issue entirely, they could have either avoided it like the plague or they could have made Sam really love and marry Pete...and Jack could have stayed with Kerry. But that didn't happen...they both came to their senses.

So, IMHO, if their intention was to completely ignore J/S shipping, then Threads would have been the time to set in stone that they didn't love each other and were really moving on. But since that didn't happen and Sam and Jack are starting to openly acknowledge their feelings beyond just "okay there's something there beyond what I'm supposed to feel," then there had better be something referencing this major development in Season 9. Otherwise, Threads would make no sense.


(((Uber))) I don't think they will completely ignore the Sam and Jack ship in season 9 but they may do an opening season a la lost city 2 followed by new order 1 ..Do you see what I mean??!!! ..with no mention of it ...and the ship will be there later when Sam ] comes back with a mention of Jack ...Hopefully, she won't say "Don't know , haven't seen him " or turns up at SGC and says to Teal'c and Daniel "Where is Jack?"" like she has not seen him for like 1 month :eek: Then yeah I expect TPTB not to drop the ship but only there occasionally like every 5 episode. I'm worried that we will get a lot of episodes with no mention of Sam and Jack ship at all .
Stargate TPTB is very good at ignoring the ship when they feel like it and they can do it for a few episodes in a row :rolleyes:

Caty:)

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 05:16 AM
Caty it would not surprise me at all if Jack never mentions Sam during the Season premiere.We all know how great TPTB are at following up the Ship from one Season to the next.IMO it makes no sense that Sam would need to be away from Jack to start Season 9.I know Sam just lost Jacob and broke up with Pete but I cannot see Sam wanting to be away from Jack.Sam had better be working on something vital to Earth's survival if she is not with Jack to start the Season.Sam and Jack have been waiting for 8 Years and at this point I doubt they would want to wait 8 Seconds to be together.After finally going Fishing together Sam and Jack should have at least gone on 1 Date or agreed to Date.TPTB are bringing back all of Sam's Man Friend and if Sam is still not with Jack the Sam character will look horrible IMO.It will look like Sam is ready to commit to Jack.


Yes SES it makes no sense at all and as I just said ..they really need some women writers for the show now even more than before ...or they will probably fail in transmitting a good ship ..That is ..if they want to transmitt a really good ship !!!!! :eek:


DO you hear TPTB?

Caty:)

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 05:30 AM
Regarding spoilers coming from TPTB Stargate ..they are never about Sam and Jack ship ...All they want to do is throw a pic of Sam and Pete with a ring or Jack in his bedroom with another woman ....If we get something from Sam and Jack ..it's them walking together in the sand without a smile on their face ..that you actually wonder if they even like each other or they thrown some kind of AU photos that nobody understands (The jail cell pic from Moebius)..and they will carry on doing that ...I bet we gonna get a pic of Sam with orlin , a pic of Sam with Baa'l and another one with Barrett in some spoilers to come for season 9 regarding the Sam and Jack characters ...She 'll have a nice smile on her face in those pics ...and we'll get a Pic of Jack either in his office in Washington with a sad look on his face either alone or talking to another woman ..All the 15 other photos will be from vala , cameron , Daniel ..we'll be even lucky to get one of Teal'c !!! :S ...I can just sense it ..this is the way Stargate TPTB operates :rolleyes:


Conclusion : You can have a team show and still have great ship ;)


Caty:)

You are so right. I have stopped looking at their season 9 spoilers. Whats the point, if you are looking for J/S ship it won't be there. How many pics did we get in season 8 of Jack and Sam together? The only thing good about the Pete/Sam and Jack/Kerry pic was that we knew it was comming. I would have been totally surprised and caught off guard like I was with Chimera.

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Great point nickatell.Why bring in BB unless you feel AT MS and CJ cannot carry the show.I also feel there was no reason not to put Sam and Jack together at the end of Season 8.Threads should have gotten Sam and Jack together and the episode was about losing Jacob Sam breaking up with Pete and Daniel instead of Sam and Jack.I wish I could have hope for Season 9 but the way things stand now it does not look good for Sam and Jack Ship.I'am not going to tune in each week to see if Sam talks about Jack or if Sam is talking on the Phone with Jack.IMO this Show lost about 70% of its appeal withour RDA.Like Mary said Jack is the Glue.I said this a while ago and I'll say it again.Jack is the straw that stirs the Drink.

I just wonder how many Season 9 Daniel/Vala wrestling matches we will have to suffer thru before Sam gets back.

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 05:47 AM
You are so right. I have stopped looking at their season 9 spoilers. Whats the point, if you are looking for J/S ship it won't be there. How many pics did we get in season 8 of Jack and Sam together? The only thing good about the Pete/Sam and Jack/Kerry pic was that we knew it was comming. I would have been totally surprised and caught off guard like I was with Chimera.
i've said it before, i'll say it again-the boys from vancouver cannot write their way out of a paperbag-and some of their actors can't act their way out either. I still believe that s/j are going to end up being a fig newton of our imagination in season 9 and i greatly resent that they are taking the shippers for granted. i really enjoyed Ben and Claudia in Farscape- and if done right-they can add a lot to the show-but seriously-pulling a sword out of a stone and being dressed in skimpy black leather???what message are they sending?

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 06:03 AM
you make a very good point-but i think that the fault lies with the writers and the boys in vancouver not with the inability of AT, CJ or MS to carry the show-i do think that they didn't make effective use of RDA-especially since he was pretty much in every episode in season 8. I also believe that his Jack was a bitter, angry and lonely man. I don't know how much of that was true to the way he wished to protray Jack or the way it ended up-and i think that we where short-sheeted as far as their relationship goes. It sitll don't know what caused Sam to approach Jack-because we had no indication she was unhappy with Pete-I was unhappy with Pete and happy enough to see it end-but i would have liked a more definitive resolution-and my big fear for season 9 is they will totally ignore it and act like it never happened

Yep, I would still like to know what made Sam go talk to Jack. On a personal level, he treated her like crap. If I were Sam, I would get the feeling he didn't care anymore. I didn't see any indication that either one was unhappy with the significant other. Jack looked plenty happy with Kerry. What made Kerry decide to dump Jack? Yeah he was nervous when Sam showed up, but that could have been for a number of reasons. With these guys, they write so vague, you have to make asumptions.

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 06:07 AM
Yep, I would still like to know what made Sam go talk to Jack. On a personal level, he treated her like crap. If I were Sam, I would get the feeling he didn't care anymore. I didn't see any indication that either one was unhappy with the significant other. Jack looked plenty happy with Kerry. What made Kerry decide to dump Jack? Yeah he was nervous when Sam showed up, but that could have been for a number of reasons. With these guys, they write so vague, you have to make asumptions.
i believe it is because they refuse to take any responsibility for what ever "assumptions" are made. y'all know what happens when you assume don't you? you make an a$$ of you and me. they left it open for interpretation because it will make it easier for them to cut and run-that way they don't make anyone mad-becuz we all get to see it in whatever light we like. all i have to say is Barf!

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 06:08 AM
i've said it before, i'll say it again-the boys from vancouver cannot write their way out of a paperbag-and some of their actors can't act their way out either. I still believe that s/j are going to end up being a fig newton of our imagination in season 9 and i greatly resent that they are taking the shippers for granted. i really enjoyed Ben and Claudia in Farscape- and if done right-they can add a lot to the show-but seriously-pulling a sword out of a stone and being dressed in skimpy black leather???what message are they sending?

Well doesn't that make him Season 9 King Cameron. I guess Teal'c, Daniel and Sam will be his trusty knights of the round table.

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 06:12 AM
Well doesn't that make him Season 9 King Cameron. I guess Teal'c, Daniel and Sam will be his trusty knights of the round table.
well...trusty something?? or is it rusty something? beats me! my best guess is to show that Cameron is a direct descendant (spell) of the ancients as is Jack and Shep-and i wonder if they are heading off into more scifi/fantasy than they did the last 8 years. oh this is gonna be some season can i say Barf!

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 06:13 AM
I just wonder how many Season 9 Daniel/Vala wrestling matches we will have to suffer thru before Sam gets back.



A lot ...I'm afraid :rolleyes: it's written very clearly on my Magma doodle Board ..well at least I can still erase it ;)

So not fair :(
And if Jack does not mention Sam at all in a romantic way in the season 9 premiere ..I'm done with the show .....cuz that means they don't care one bit about shippers and their dedication ....I think they gonna lose a lot of customers for DVD's :( but hey we may all get together hand in hand into another sci-fi forum and talk about another great sci-fi ship ..why not ?!!!


Caty:)

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 06:17 AM
Well doesn't that make him Season 9 King Cameron. I guess Teal'c, Daniel and Sam will be his trusty knights of the round table.


Looks like it :rolleyes: YUk :( poor Teal'c :( ...I hope Jack will invite him fishing again ;) I feel for poor Teal'c but I hope they will write him an episode when he gets to meet Ishta again :)

Caty:)

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 06:23 AM
Heya!

Yup...in school again *groan*

After reading the last few pages, I have to agree about Sam...I don't think she's cut out to be the lead...if she was still season 1 - 6 Sam...then yeah...but not after season eight.

What I think we should do?

Do what the Voyager fans (Eye of Botox included I think) did!

Why don't we make a VIRTUAL season...completely ignore season nine and make our own 22 'episode' saga.

We could handle ship the way we want it
We could have the villains and characters we like
We could have Jack in the stories as much as possible
We have enough talented and dedicated writers to pull it off and make it believeable.

Who's with me? We can make our OWN season nine for people who are no longer interested in the actual season nine. I'm not saying snub the show, I'll definitely still be watching, but we can create our OWN canon.



Yeah :) You start Suekay :) I'm not good at writing fics ..and I wish I could have time to read them ..but I haven't :(

Still good idea for a virtual season 9 :)

Caty:)

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 06:25 AM
Yeah :) You start Suekay :) I'm not good at writing fics ..and I wish I could have time to read them ..but I haven't :(

Still good idea for a virtual season 9 :)

Caty:)
huh-a virtual season 9-sounds intriguing.

nickatell
April 27th, 2005, 07:41 AM
I do agree with you Rogue, I really don't think enough energy was put in to the reasons Kerry decides to leave Jack, and Sam leaving Pete. I realize that Jack's heart probably was not fully in this relationship with Kerry but she could have just as easily have pushed it off on his job thinking his mind was somewhere else. That one meeting in Jack's backyard, even staring at their eyes and body language didn't give me the feeling Jack had feelings for Sam coming from Kerrys perspective. I think a lot was left unseen. Although Jack must have been in the relationship enough where Kerry slipped and said love rather than live with when she dumped him in his office. As for Sam leaving Pete I believe the reason there too was a little vague. Pete never changed he took control of the relationship from the beginning and never faulted; to his credit he had no reason to because he was getting everything he wanted so why shake the boat. Although I didn't like the way Pete was thrown at us and his stalking in the beginning, I do think he truly loved Sam in his own way. Coming from Pete's point of view I don't think I really would have understood why Sam was calling off the marriage, although we didn't hear what her reason was. We never saw Pete, Sam and Jack together for him to understand that situation, heck we never even saw Pete and Sam argue.

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 07:59 AM
I do agree with you Rogue, I really don't think enough energy was put in to the reasons Kerry decides to leave Jack, and Sam leaving Pete. I realize that Jack's heart probably was not fully in this relationship with Kerry but she could have just as easily have pushed it off on his job thinking his mind was somewhere else. That one meeting in Jack's backyard, even staring at their eyes and body language didn't give me the feeling Jack had feelings for Sam coming from Kerrys perspective. I think a lot was left unseen. Although Jack must have been in the relationship enough where Kerry slipped and said love rather than live with when she dumped him in his office. As for Sam leaving Pete I believe the reason there too was a little vague. Pete never changed he took control of the relationship from the beginning and never faulted; to his credit he had no reason to because he was getting everything he wanted so why shake the boat. Although I didn't like the way Pete was thrown at us and his stalking in the beginning, I do think he truly loved Sam in his own way. Coming from Pete's point of view I don't think I really would have understood why Sam was calling off the marriage, although we didn't hear what her reason was. We never saw Pete, Sam and Jack together for him to understand that situation, heck we never even saw Pete and Sam argue.
that is exactly what my major beef was with Threads there was absolutely nothing-nothing to show that anything had changed-and what? Kerry saw Jack and Sam interact once??? she is quite perceptive i'll tell ya-if all of the CIA was that astute...anyway-my guess a lot of it is on the cuttin room floor -never in this lifetime to be seen.

Lida
April 27th, 2005, 08:06 AM
i'm going to keep this paragraph so that when i'm feeling discouraged about sam and jack in season 9, i can read over your optimistic (and logical) thoughts and feel some hope. :)


sally :D

Well, RDA did specifically ask the TPTB not to write him off the series, but rather keep Gen. O'Neill alive and active, somewhere (in this case Homeland Security). However, so far, he has only agreed to do 2 episodes for season 9, but I'm hoping the time off will recharge his batteries, and he'll return. I think the TPTB are hoping for that also.

I hope the time off shows him he was meant to be an actor, and I truly hope he misses SG-1. I know we'll all miss him...... :(

nickatell
April 27th, 2005, 08:07 AM
Here's yet another situation to ponder!!!!!!!! I wonder what the reason is going to be in Season 9 where after one year Jack is promoted I guess to Home World Security. I mean if it is not because of his relationship with Sam they why the urgency? First of all I was kind of shocked that Jack even took the position of head of the SGC. I know it made it easier in RL because of RDAs schedule but in the show Jack is an action man, sitting behind a desk is a slow death for him. Did he really accept this position solely for the purpose of being close to SG-1, the action, and in particular Sam? If so, than this position that he is not overly excited about is the main obstacle in keeping him from having a full relationship with Sam, so why keep it????

nickatell
April 27th, 2005, 08:13 AM
RDA really did ask TPTB not to write him off Lida, that is really good news. I thought TPTB just didn't write him off with the hopes that he would still return. I like your way better.

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Here's yet another situation to ponder!!!!!!!! I wonder what the reason is going to be in Season 9 where after one year Jack is promoted I guess to Home World Security. I mean if it is not because of his relationship with Sam they why the urgency? First of all I was kind of shocked that Jack even took the position of head of the SGC. I know it made it easier in RL because of RDAs schedule but in the show Jack is an action man, sitting behind a desk is a slow death for him. Did he really accept this position solely for the purpose of being close to SG-1, the action, and in particular Sam? If so, than this position that he is not overly excited about is the main obstacle in keeping him from having a full relationship with Sam, so why keep it????
I suspect it has more to do with keeping options open-having Jack still involved but not totally engaged leaves it open for his future involvements with the SGC-the Homeworld Security Guy can go off world-the civilian can't-which means if RDA is open for some guest visits it would make more sense his involvement than being recalled.

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 08:19 AM
that is exactly what my major beef was with Threads there was absolutely nothing-nothing to show that anything had changed-and what? Kerry saw Jack and Sam interact once??? she is quite perceptive i'll tell ya-if all of the CIA was that astute...anyway-my guess a lot of it is on the cuttin room floor -never in this lifetime to be seen.

Yep, thats my beef with Threads too. Too many holes in the storyline. They dragged in the significant others but didn't follow thru with the story.

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 08:21 AM
Yep, thats my beef with Threads too. Too many holes in the storyline. They dragged in the significant others but didn't follow thru with the story.
nope i even tried examing that awkward little scene at the end of Reckoing for some little breadcrumb that made Sam think about things-but really-they gave us nothing to know that something was going on. big frelling joke.

sueKay
April 27th, 2005, 08:27 AM
Okay folks...

I'm gonna set up a site for the VIRTUAL SEASON

BUT I WILL NEED GOOD AND TALENTED WRITERS TO DO SO!

(I'm the local library just now)

What I will need, is for people interested to email me, and I'll take a tally of how many writers we have. Then we'll possible have a brainstorming session to see where they'd like to go with this. We'd need to work out some smaller arcs and some large full-season ones.

Remember - for a virtual season to be successful, you have to write for EVERY character...that means that we will need some Danny and T centric episodes. We will also need to get all the technical stuff right.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can break the canon of s8, as it's already done and dusted, so we will be writing for Jack and Sam as USAF officers. (should make things interesting :P)

Also - I don't really want to run this single-handedly, and help would be greatly appreciated...I'm not necessarily just looking for writers, but people good with graphics would be very welcome too!

So...whadaya all think????

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 08:32 AM
suekay i'm in , but you need to clear your mailbox. rosemary

sueKay
April 27th, 2005, 08:35 AM
Righto...I've got space in my PMs!

SAM AND JACK FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER AND...

Dang it...I've got 9 minutes left :(

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 09:09 AM
Okay folks...

I'm gonna set up a site for the VIRTUAL SEASON

BUT I WILL NEED GOOD AND TALENTED WRITERS TO DO SO!

(I'm the local library just now)

What I will need, is for people interested to email me, and I'll take a tally of how many writers we have. Then we'll possible have a brainstorming session to see where they'd like to go with this. We'd need to work out some smaller arcs and some large full-season ones.

Remember - for a virtual season to be successful, you have to write for EVERY character...that means that we will need some Danny and T centric episodes. We will also need to get all the technical stuff right.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can break the canon of s8, as it's already done and dusted, so we will be writing for Jack and Sam as USAF officers. (should make things interesting :P)

Also - I don't really want to run this single-handedly, and help would be greatly appreciated...I'm not necessarily just looking for writers, but people good with graphics would be very welcome too!

So...whadaya all think????


And just the original team please ..no one else ;)

The virtual season 9 premiere should be very exiting :D

Caty :)

Uber
April 27th, 2005, 09:16 AM
I'm not sure Pete knew who that "other one "was though?!!Pete never saw Sam and Jack together really and I don't think Sam talked to Pete about Jack or did she?!!! :eek: :D

Caty:)
Consider if you will Pete's words to Sam:

THREADS SPOILERS:


PETE: I wish I could believe this had something to do with your father -- you needed some time to just work things out. I guess all I can say is: I hope you get what you want.
SAM: That's it?
PETE: What do you want? You want me to get down on my knees and beg?
SAM: God, no! Of course not! I just ... I thought you would react differently.

I think, like Kerry, Pete picked up on vibes between the two of them (not on screen) either that or he picked up on the tone of her voice when she talked about him....

ForeverSg1
April 27th, 2005, 09:24 AM
I thought I'd drop by and catch up on our shipper family.
It seems as time goes on, more and more of us are getting
highly discouraged by the potential of not seeing anything
between Sam and Jack on-camera in season nine. I wish I
could offer more words of encouragement, but I have to
admit I'm a bit skeptical myself. However, my belief that
Sam and Jack are together is as strong today as always.

Here's a little something to hopefully raise your spirits a
tiny bit.

http://img53.echo.cx/img53/4899/penguins2kr.jpg
The penguins are manned and ready to attack on our command.

Kat

Daniel's_twin
April 27th, 2005, 09:28 AM
I thought I'd drop by and catch up on our shipper family.
It seems as time goes on, more and more of us are getting
highly discouraged of the potential of seeing anything on
camera between Sam and Jack in season nine. I wish I
could offer more words of encouragement, but I have to
admit I'm a bit skeptical myself. However, my belief that
Sam and Jack are together is as strong today as always.

Here's a little something to hopefully raise your spirits a
tiny bit.

http://img53.echo.cx/img53/4899/penguins2kr.jpg
The Penguins are manned and ready to attack on our command.

Kat

Encouraging enough for me! :cool:

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 09:31 AM
Consider if you will Pete's words to Sam:

THREADS SPOILERS:


PETE: I wish I could believe this had something to do with your father -- you needed some time to just work things out. I guess all I can say is: I hope you get what you want.
SAM: That's it?
PETE: What do you want? You want me to get down on my knees and beg?
SAM: God, no! Of course not! I just ... I thought you would react differently.

I think, like Kerry, Pete picked up on vibes between the two of them (not on screen) either that or he picked up on the tone of her voice when she talked about him....


He guessed she didn't want him ..and wanted something else but if he didn't necesseraly think it was another man ..he would have said " I hope you get WHO you want " it could have just been that she didn't want to live with him in that big house ..I want to believe that he meant Jack but not sure ..it' so vague :rolleyes:

Caty:)

Uber
April 27th, 2005, 09:37 AM
He guessed she didn't want him ..and wanted something else but if he didn't necesseraly think it was another man ..he would have said " I hope you get WHO you want " it could have just been that she didn't want to live with him in that big house ..I want to believe that he meant Jack but not sure ..it' so vague :rolleyes:

Caty:)
Remember VAGUE is the credo of TPTB...

We more than likely will not get any real substantive shippy stuff next Season...

My thoughts is a subtlety here a phone call there...hopefully culminating in an actual on screen kiss....

But my guess is that Season 9 will contain vast wastelands of diddley-bubcus with a small shippy oasis every few eps or so...

shipper hannah
April 27th, 2005, 09:43 AM
hey i've just read the spoilers and i'm a little worried about this 'sword in the stone' thing...
i'm not completely sure about the going off at a tangent...
but back on topic.. fingers crossed for some shippy action in season 9

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 10:03 AM
And just the original team please ..no one else ;)

The virtual season 9 premiere should be very exiting :D

Caty :)

And plenty of ship. Since we won't get any on the screen.

melpomene
April 27th, 2005, 10:18 AM
And plenty of ship. Since we won't get any on the screen.


sounds good to me.

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 12:22 PM
sounds good to me.
oh yes, loads and oodles of it-but drawn out an angsty and full of false leads and...oh, wait-heehe-sorry-forgot that we will be writing it-oh never mind.

melpomene
April 27th, 2005, 12:26 PM
I'm gonna try to make a wallpaper and I need lots of shippy photo's which I've seen all over the place but you can never find when you need them.

gatebee
April 27th, 2005, 01:17 PM
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-048.gif this is what I think of TPTB when to Sam and Jack

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 01:18 PM
Consider if you will Pete's words to Sam:

THREADS SPOILERS:


PETE: I wish I could believe this had something to do with your father -- you needed some time to just work things out. I guess all I can say is: I hope you get what you want.
SAM: That's it?
PETE: What do you want? You want me to get down on my knees and beg?
SAM: God, no! Of course not! I just ... I thought you would react differently.

I think, like Kerry, Pete picked up on vibes between the two of them (not on screen) either that or he picked up on the tone of her voice when she talked about him....

I always figured that Sam kept Pete as far away from Jack as possible. I think Pete knew long before he met Jacob that there was something wrong. She was way out of his league and was surpised when she said yes.

Uber
April 27th, 2005, 01:25 PM
I always figured that Sam kept Pete as far away from Jack as possible. I think Pete knew long before he met Jacob that there was something wrong. She was way out of his league and was surpised when she said yes.
Yeah - as I think about it more, Pete and Jack probably never met...

However, remember in Heroes when Sam started talking about Jack how her tone of voice changed...Bregman picked up on it and sensed something there, even though of course Sam never intended to give anything away about her personal feelings...

Perhaps she unintentionally displayed some "tells" in her voice when she talked about work or Jack with Pete...

...or maybe she avoided the topic of Jack altogether, which in itself is a "tell"...

girlgater
April 27th, 2005, 01:29 PM
It was obvious to me that Pete wasn't the guy for Sam. He was way too controlling and smoothering (or mothering :S ) to be with Sam. She's the type who needs her own room to grow as an individual--in addition to growing within a relationship. That's something that she could have never gotten while she was even semi-committed to Pete. However, I think the relationship between Kerry and Jack may have potentially worked--if it hadn't been for the fact that he was in love with Sam. ;) Remember--Kerry: "that's something I can't 'love,' live with." They had things in common; whereas I think Pete was way too immature to be with Sam and they had very little in common. I also think that Sam was never in love with Pete--she was only settling for Pete 'cause she couldn't be with Jack.

The writers have made Sam what she is--not to mention the great acting by AT. I'm sure AT would want to see Sam in a mutually respective (is there a such a phrase) relationship--with someone; and that someone is Jack. :)

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 02:07 PM
And plenty of ship. Since we won't get any on the screen.


This is a must read ;) I agree with that :)

Caty:)

melpomene
April 27th, 2005, 02:16 PM
Yeah - as I think about it more, Pete and Jack probably never met...

However, remember in Heroes when Sam started talking about Jack how her tone of voice changed...Bregman picked up on it and sensed something there, even though of course Sam never intended to give anything away about her personal feelings...

Perhaps she unintentionally displayed some "tells" in her voice when she talked about work or Jack with Pete...

...or maybe she avoided the topic of Jack altogether, which in itself is a "tell"...


I loved that with Bregman. He apparently noticed that whatever they talked about she came off as tense. and then it's like "Oh you want to know about O'Neill? Oh I can tell you about him, it's my favorite subject, how many hours do you have?"

sg-1fanintn
April 27th, 2005, 02:19 PM
My, it's been a day of depressing discussion, hasn't it? I've been out of town all day, and got a little down when I checked in on you all. I'm also disgusted because they've posted pix from "Avalon," and Ben Browder is seen pulling the sword out of the stone. Gee, who's the fair-haired child now?

For those who wonder how Kerry picked up on the feelings between Sam and Jack, I think I figured it out.....but not all of it was portrayed on-screen. But I wrote a missing scene you could read at:

http://www.gateworld.net/fanfic/archive/35/realizations.html

I think the virtual season is a great idea, and I'd be willing to participate.....but I think we should move forward with the knowledge that Jack is becoming head of Homeworld Security. We can have him back at Cheyenne Mountain as much as we want! After all, we don't have to work around RDA's schedule.

At this point, it's been a month since S8 ended, and I'm getting tired of these boys in Vancouver yanking my chain.....and me letting them! I think my first move toward improving my attitude will be to skip the rerun of SGA this Friday night. Instead, I'm going to set my TV to CBS.....and watch the series finale of "Jag." I haven't watched "Jag" in years, although I liked the characters. No, I was a loyal Sci-Fi Friday girl! But this Friday night, I'm going to see what happens when some PTB care about what their viewers want! Who wants to join me? It may be too syrupy sweet for my taste, but I'm trying to overcompensate at this point. Anyone have some popcorn? Dr. Shipper? How about a Nielsen diary (That would be even better!)?

Then, let's start writing that S9 fan fic.....and no big-boobed girls in leather outfits.....unless they're alien villans!

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 02:23 PM
My, it's been a day of depressing discussion, hasn't it? I've been out of town all day, and got a little down when I checked in on you all. I'm also disgusted because they've posted pix from "Avalon," and Ben Browder is seen pulling the sword out of the stone. Gee, who's the fair-haired child now?

For those who wonder how Kerry picked up on the feelings between Sam and Jack, I think I figured it out.....but not all of it was portrayed on-screen. But I wrote a missing scene you could read at:

http://www.gateworld.net/fanfic/archive/35/realizations.html

I think the virtual season is a great idea, and I'd be willing to participate.....but I think we should move forward with the knowledge that Jack is becoming head of Homeworld Security. We can have him back at Cheyenne Mountain as much as we want! After all, we don't have to work around RDA's schedule.

At this point, it's been a month since S8 ended, and I'm getting tired of these boys in Vancouver yanking my chain.....and me letting them! I think my first move toward improving my attitude will be to skip the rerun of SGA this Friday night. Instead, I'm going to set my TV to CBS.....and watch the series finale of "Jag." I haven't watched "Jag" in years, although I liked the characters. No, I was a loyal Sci-Fi Friday girl! But this Friday night, I'm going to see what happens when some PTB care about what their viewers want! Who wants to join me? It may be too syrupy sweet for my taste, but I'm trying to overcompensate at this point. Anyone have some popcorn? Dr. Shipper? How about a Nielsen diary (That would be even better!)?

Then, let's start writing that S9 fan fic.....and no big-boobed girls in leather outfits.....unless they're alien villans!

Yeah, I read your fic yesterday. I enjoyed it.

Gatetrixer
April 27th, 2005, 02:23 PM
I just wonder how many Season 9 Daniel/Vala wrestling matches we will have to suffer thru before Sam gets back.

"Holds nose."

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 02:30 PM
while i'm agreeing with so much of what you've said, i feel sam already came to that epiphany in season 7 with Heroes 2 and Lost City(s). i felt she already figured out that she 'was', in fact, in love with jack, that it wasn't just some kind of misguided crush. so going from the powerful drama of Lost City to the ho-hum and i'm-still-with-my-boyfriend in New Order made absolutely no sense. i felt the only reason pete was still in the picture in New Order was to distance sam from the whiny/piney stuff (that i did NOT see) and to lengthen the 'will they/won't they' stuff. i could be wrong, but a bitter fan will see things like this.


sally :)
I'm loving this conversation. I'd just like to add to Sally's remarks. I think we had Pete with us a lot longer than TPTB intended, because they were totally taken aback by the hatred of the character by fans...not just S/J shippers, but by a mixture of the fandom. TPTB couldn't believe this, and they then said it was our fault, as we had "issues". They just couldn't see how the fans could dislike a badly written character put in a story that was full of plot holes! :rolleyes:
There was absolutely no need for everything we saw in Chimera. We could have seen Sam and Pete together once, perhaps over dinner, and we would have got the picture! We fans can read between the lines and understand what's going on! He could have been mentioned a couple of times in later episodes, and then Sam dumps him after Lost City, when she realises it's Jack she loves! It would have saved Sam, Jack, Pete and shippers world-wide a lot of heartache! :D

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 02:37 PM
Uber, just to be clear, what you are saying is that Season eight basically saw the personal growth of Sam Carter's feelings for a "normal" life and her realization that her love for Jack is more important than a "normal" life, right?????? This much I agree with you on; but was this realization important enought to use up valuable time and episodes when one half of the relationship would not be returning as a regular in the next season???? To me these points, if they were that important would have been addressed in season 3 bringing us to the proper resolution in Season 8. I think the timing for these "realizations" is what is off in this relationship. Really when you think about it we could have all of season 9 dealing with Jack feeling not worthy of Sams affections as another evasive tactic by TPTB. Granted all of these things could and do happen in real life; but folks as we all know this is a tv show we have to speed "real life" up, our boy is leaving or has left the building.
Yup! What's so sad about this is that Jack will be saying goodbye to the guys,but Sam won't be there. They could have done something at the end of Moebius. They knew RDA wasn't coming back except for a couple of eps, and they knew Amanda was having her baby so wouldn't be around. All it would have taken is a quick conversation and a BIG HONKIN' KISS! :D

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 02:40 PM
I agree with you Sally, if TPTB were going to jump this deeply into Sam's emotions by introducing a boyfriend, then having the relationship develop into a marriage proposal all unfolding before our very eyes;then how can they justify using just the fishing invitation as a suggestion that her relationship with Jack is back on track. I mean IMO the passion, emotion and energy it took to introduce the new boyfriend should have also been given to the conclusion or realization that her love for Jack is truly what is real and important. I understand in doing so a decision would have had to have been made in order to advance the relationship and keep in line with the AF regs, which is what we didn't get for the conslusion of Season 8 which IMO is where is should have been.
I totally agree with you. Why oh why didn't they just do it then?

ses110
April 27th, 2005, 02:43 PM
I'am getting tired of TPTB as well.I just read TPTB comments on Gateworld about how everyone is the happiest they've ever been and it's a new chapter and renewed energy.It's sounds like they want 10 more Years of SG-1.It would be nice to hear a little mention about RDA's importance to the Show and how they hope he will be around.I will not watch any Friday night episodes of SG-1.The more I hear from TPTB the more I want Season 9 to fail Big Time.

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 02:53 PM
I'am getting tired of TPTB as well.I just read TPTB comments on Gateworld about how everyone is the happiest they've ever been and it's a new chapter and renewed energy.It's sounds like they want 10 more Years of SG-1.It would be nice to hear a little mention about RDA's importance to the Show and how they hope he will be around.I will not watch any Friday night episodes of SG-1.The more I hear from TPTB the more I want Season 9 to fail Big Time.

I don't about anyone else but I feel Season 9 the Sword in the Stone is so over done. Even Disney has a movie about it. Next SG-1 will be looking for the Holy Grail. They will fight a rabbit and then French men who catapult cows at them. Then they will build a big trogan rabbit and forget to get inside.

marimba26
April 27th, 2005, 02:54 PM
Yeah - as I think about it more, Pete and Jack probably never met...

They may not have met but Jack has definitely seen him--the end of Chimera, when Pete comes in and mucks things up and gets himself hurt (blast it all! I wish Osiris had better aim that day! Then we wouldn't be having this convo lol)


...or maybe she avoided the topic of Jack altogether, which in itself is a "tell"...

My money's on this theory.

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:14 PM
Season 3 gave us glimpses that they were feeling things beyond what they were supposed to feel, given their work scenario. But was that enough for them to ditch their careers and pursue a romance? And would we as fans been happy if SG-1 disbanded so early on in the series for them to have a love story? And what would they have done to that active love story over the last several years? There would have had to have been conflict to keep the romance interesting. Would they have gotten married, separated and then back together? Plus there's the added problem of turning Stargate SG-1 into "As the Gate Turns."
All that was needed was a conversation between them, saying that they would keep things on hold for the moment.
Why do you think that getting them together would have turned things into a soap? It could have given us personal stories like what it's like to have loved ones risk their lives every day (as happens in real life). I wouldn't expect them to be having HWMS on the briefing room table every scene (although it's a very nice thought!), but they could just react to each other as two people together.


And as to the lateness of these revelations, I think they needed the time and so did we. As I said before, Season 3 or 4 would have been too early in their "relationship" for them to do something drastic. Plus, I as a fan felt and enjoyed the angst of watching them have feelings they weren't free to express. It builds tension and makes the actual "getting together" all the more sweet.
I agree with you here. :D The problem is that they let it go on far too long. There's fun with all the looks and the angst, but too much and it starts to annoy everyone.




But that's the thing with feelings and chemistry...if it's real, it exists whether it's planned or written. It would have been dishonest to the characters to completely ignore it forever, but they could have done it permanently with Sam marrying Pete and Jack building something with Kerry.
If they'd done this, I don't think there would have been much of an audience left for their precious season 9.


I still think/hope we may see more of RDA than we know or can be told...that's just a gut feeling here...so I think that, unless TPTB truly HATE shippers, and plan to completely disregard the massive story arc of Sam and Jack that they themselves chose to explore in great detail this past season, we will have some acknowledgement on some level of something between Sam and Jack.
We can only hope! My problem is that I just don't trust TPTB anymore, so I really don't want to set myself up to be disappointed yet again. :S

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:25 PM
And for the hundredth time, David DeLuise is HOT! I just don't see him as a Potato Head folks. He simply has gorgeous eyes and a beautiful smile.
He's as hot to me as indigestion! :p


take out the second half of chimera, and he wasn't a bad guy. but that last half did him irrefutable damage. and how did the ptb try to fix the prob? rob cooper told us we had issues. i still feel all warm and tingly with the amount of care that went into fixing that particular prob. david deluise himself said he wouldn't have done that to a person, and amanda said she thought it would be addressed later on. but when all the feedback came in, everyone associated with the show got defensive. no fix.
yes, all we got was a feeble joke about stalking! :rolleyes:



i'm trying not to be so negative, but all it would take is an HONEST answer from someone associated with this show if sam and jack are going to be dealt with in season 8. forget the 'we won't tell them anything to continue to pull them in'... the show needs to be honest with us, or a few (or more) will just pack up and leave. do they really want that? or do they not care, seeing as they're basically making another spin-off that just happens to have teal'c and daniel and some sam in it.

now would be a good time for some positive remarks to make the shippers excited about trying a no-jack and smaller amount of sam show. a really good time.
sally :)
I sooooo agree with you here Sally.

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:33 PM
Anyone else wondering if they're delaying the resolution because of the possiblity of the second Stargate movie.. wherein one could assume the ship could be resolved in it's 'big honkin kiss' glory?

Just a thought....

:)

Ps Is there a big honkin kiss petition? I'll sign it ;)
They keep talking about a movie, but that is when they don't know if they are going to be renewed for another season. The way things are going, they'll squeeze every last drop out of the franchise,and by the time we get a film, poor old Sam and Jack will be in their retirement homes sitting in their rockers! :p

Ps...I'll sign the Big Honkin' Kiss petition! :D

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:37 PM
You are so right. I have stopped looking at their season 9 spoilers. Whats the point, if you are looking for J/S ship it won't be there. How many pics did we get in season 8 of Jack and Sam together? The only thing good about the Pete/Sam and Jack/Kerry pic was that we knew it was comming. I would have been totally surprised and caught off guard like I was with Chimera.
Yes you're right there. I'm still recovering from the shock of Chimera! :eek:

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:41 PM
i've said it before, i'll say it again-the boys from vancouver cannot write their way out of a paperbag-and some of their actors can't act their way out either. I still believe that s/j are going to end up being a fig newton of our imagination in season 9 and i greatly resent that they are taking the shippers for granted. i really enjoyed Ben and Claudia in Farscape- and if done right-they can add a lot to the show-but seriously-pulling a sword out of a stone and being dressed in skimpy black leather???what message are they sending?
They seem to have forgotten that big percentage of their audience is made up of intelligent adults. Now it looks as though they've gone for the teenage male audience. *sigh* :rolleyes:

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 03:42 PM
wow ! just caught up...my head still hurts !! lol
you all have great interpretations and thoughts about all the crap we had and all the good moments too ;)

I love the idea of a virtual season..personally I'm not good enough in english to participate but i'll be glad to help with ideas. As to how to go on, I think we should forget about homeworld security or at least we can do whatever we want cause this was only brought in spoilers and not at the end of season 8. I also think we have to respect the regs thing and have to deal with them. personnaly i've always imagined that Jack would try to find a solution and talk to Hammond. I like the respect between both and Hammond knows or at least suspects and I'm sure he'd be glad to help them ;)

about :eek: I think he knew it was someone else even if he doesn't say anything. I think he'd fought for her if he hadn't suspected that she had feelings for someone else. If he thought she did that because of her father or the house situation he would have wait or tried something else to change her mind...he's such :eek: :S :(

melpomene, do you need help for the pictures ? which one do you want ? or which one do you already have so I can try to find some and send them to you or make some caps
let me know

Lunar, i've read your fic ! that was great even if i've been scared at a certain point !! you make things go so far with :eek: but the end is worth it ;) nice one ! :)

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:42 PM
i believe it is because they refuse to take any responsibility for what ever "assumptions" are made. y'all know what happens when you assume don't you? you make an a$$ of you and me. they left it open for interpretation because it will make it easier for them to cut and run-that way they don't make anyone mad-becuz we all get to see it in whatever light we like. all i have to say is Barf!
Yup! Pass the sick bag here too!

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:44 PM
well...trusty something?? or is it rusty something? beats me! my best guess is to show that Cameron is a direct descendant (spell) of the ancients as is Jack and Shep-and i wonder if they are heading off into more scifi/fantasy than they did the last 8 years. oh this is gonna be some season can i say Barf!
Yes you can....and I'll second that!

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 03:52 PM
I don't about anyone else but I feel Season 9 the Sword in the Stone is so over done. Even Disney has a movie about it. Next SG-1 will be looking for the Holy Grail. They will fight a rabbit and then French men who catapult cows at them. Then they will build a big trogan rabbit and forget to get inside.
oohh oooh ooh i 've seen that movie-monty python and the holy grail-right?

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:52 PM
I thought I'd drop by and catch up on our shipper family.
It seems as time goes on, more and more of us are getting
highly discouraged by the potential of not seeing anything
between Sam and Jack on-camera in season nine. I wish I
could offer more words of encouragement, but I have to
admit I'm a bit skeptical myself. However, my belief that
Sam and Jack are together is as strong today as always.

Here's a little something to hopefully raise your spirits a
tiny bit.

http://img53.echo.cx/img53/4899/penguins2kr.jpg
The penguins are manned and ready to attack on our command.

Kat
:D Thanks. I needed this to cheer me up.

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 03:57 PM
I don't about anyone else but I feel Season 9 the Sword in the Stone is so over done. Even Disney has a movie about it. Next SG-1 will be looking for the Holy Grail. They will fight a rabbit and then French men who catapult cows at them. Then they will build a big trogan rabbit and forget to get inside.


Hahahahaha ..Heheheheheh you made me laugh so much Rogue :) I love it :)


Well me , I try to stay completely unspoilt for season 9 because I know this is the only way not to get to stressed up and so very disappointed ..My mind is quite clear right now ..I don't expect much at all for the ship is season 9 :( and :rolleyes: and :S ..I have decided to start watching JAG for the first time ( never seen it) ..Thank you (((gatebee))) to tell me about How JAG is worth watching ..so may just do that in the meantime


Caty:)

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 03:58 PM
It was obvious to me that Pete wasn't the guy for Sam. He was way too controlling and smoothering (or mothering :S ) to be with Sam. She's the type who needs her own room to grow as an individual--in addition to growing within a relationship. That's something that she could have never gotten while she was even semi-committed to Pete. However, I think the relationship between Kerry and Jack may have potentially worked--if it hadn't been for the fact that he was in love with Sam. ;) Remember--Kerry: "that's something I can't 'love,' live with." They had things in common; whereas I think Pete was way too immature to be with Sam and they had very little in common. I also think that Sam was never in love with Pete--she was only settling for Pete 'cause she couldn't be with Jack.

The writers have made Sam what she is--not to mention the great acting by AT. I'm sure AT would want to see Sam in a mutually respective (is there a such a phrase) relationship--with someone; and that someone is Jack. :)
Yes, I think Sam was in love with the IDEA of Pete, but is in love with Jack (of course!)

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 04:01 PM
I don't about anyone else but I feel Season 9 the Sword in the Stone is so over done. Even Disney has a movie about it. Next SG-1 will be looking for the Holy Grail. They will fight a rabbit and then French men who catapult cows at them. Then they will build a big trogan rabbit and forget to get inside.
LOL! Isn't that the mid-season episode? :p

gatebee
April 27th, 2005, 04:03 PM
I'am getting tired of TPTB as well.I just read TPTB comments on Gateworld about how everyone is the happiest they've ever been and it's a new chapter and renewed energy.It's sounds like they want 10 more Years of SG-1.It would be nice to hear a little mention about RDA's importance to the Show and how they hope he will be around.I will not watch any Friday night episodes of SG-1.The more I hear from TPTB the more I want Season 9 to fail Big Time.

I don't about anyone else but I feel Season9the Sword in the Stone is so over done. Even Disney has a movie about it. Next SG-1 will be looking for the Holy Grail. They will fight a rabbit and then French men who catapult cows at them. Then they will build a big trogan rabbit and forget to get inside.
I would far enjoy watching Mickey Mouse shipping with Minnie Mouse if Sam and Jack will not be back.

Catysg1
April 27th, 2005, 04:04 PM
Yup! Pass the sick bag here too!


and another one for me pretty please..Hurry http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-002.gif..Oops too late http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-007.gif

Caty:)

Uber
April 27th, 2005, 04:07 PM
Yes, I think Sam was in love with the IDEA of Pete, but is in love with Jack (of course!)
IMHO, Sam was in love with the idea of being in love. Now that she had "freed herself" to look for a true romantic relationship with someone she was allowed to have feelings for, she latched on to Pete as being "the guy." This way, she can have her cake and eat it too, meaning she could have a romance and keep her career as is.

But what I think happened in Threads was that she realized of course that she didn't want to spend her life with Pete, she really did love Jack; and I think, she was ready to start giving serious consideration to major career changes based on whether or not Jack reciprocated her feelings...

dipsofjazz
April 27th, 2005, 04:22 PM
IMHO, Sam was in love with the idea of being in love. Now that she had "freed herself" to look for a true romantic relationship with someone she was allowed to have feelings for, she latched on to Pete as being "the guy." This way, she can have her cake and eat it too, meaning she could have a romance and keep her career as is.

But what I think happened in Threads was that she realized of course that she didn't want to spend her life with Pete, she really did love Jack; and I think, she was ready to start giving serious consideration to major career changes based on whether or not Jack reciprocated her feelings...
This is what I meant when I said she was in love with the idea of Pete...having a relationship, being "in love"...She would probably have fallen in love with the milkman if he'd been there first! :p

Critter
April 27th, 2005, 04:26 PM
and another one for me pretty please..Hurry http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-002.gif..Oops too late http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-007.gif

Caty:)
LOL Caty! I agree with all of you...whole heartedly. Not even reading the spoilers for S9. Just going to go with the flow this time. I'll see if it's easier to take that way! I feel like Sam and Jack are together but I am so afraid that they're going to take that away from me! Major pout going on over here. :( :( :(

sg-1fanintn
April 27th, 2005, 04:28 PM
I know what's wrong with all of us today. We saw the S9 photos of the sword and the leather bimbo outfit, and we read the MS interview. Please bear in mind that the "interview" was probably put together by a publicist.....and may not even reflect MS's true views.

:( :eek: Message to TPTB: Much of your solid fan base consists of adults, and many are women! How about our wants, our needs? Leather, boobs and no S/J resolution will just drive us away! :( :eek:

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 04:54 PM
oohh oooh ooh i 've seen that movie-monty python and the holy grail-right?

Yep, I couldn't resist.

TameFarrar
April 27th, 2005, 05:31 PM
WOW....I hadn't realized so many people were in the dole-drums over here. :(

I am really sorry that so many of the Shipper Family are so sad. I am not really sure how to lend a hand in cheering anyone up, especially when I guess I am one of those icky peoples that is really getting Jazzed about Season 9. As much as I would LOVE to see Sam & Jack have a more prominent role in the season I guess I have finally resigned myself to not having that and have gone on looking for other reasons to be excited about a show I have enjoyed for the last 8 years. Now don't take that as anything other me just explaining my level of *Upness* :D

I guess what I did was just go back to thinking of StarGate as a Sci-Fi/Fantasy show without any major emotional ties for me.

Since I really no longer trust TPTB to follow through with this ship and probably screw up any other ship I have resigned myself to that fate.

However, I am keeping an open mind about things. I am not real worried just yet that things will be icky or passe'. Yes it does seem like they are making a whole LOT of changes but having some new blood that WON Academy Awards and just having some new direction to the show is making me happier.

If they aren't going to finish Sam & Jack with any real conviction....then I just want TPTB to STAY AWAY from them period. I would rather think of them having their time at the Lake and more after the credits rolled and let my imagination take it from there. I KNOW TPTB are going to make some silly mistake and somehow screw up S&J so I think I will just have to ignore them. So I have withdrawn my heart from the show and am back to just being a Sci-Fi fan at this point. :D

I wish I could cheer you up out there!! But until we actually see anything ...anything I say about the episodes is just my own speculation and right now I highly doubt we could take any more let downs :)

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Virtual season.. yay!

While I still have faith in the machinations of the show to give me what I want (I'm known as miss positive in some parts) the idea of a virtual season makes me quiver ;)

Virtual seasons redeemed Voyager for me (not even goin there.. let it go.. they don't care) after the hatchet job they managed to pull at the end.

Also I think in Threads that Sam's development arc came to fruition in a lot of ways. It takes a lot of courage to look at your life when it's set up to go the way hers was and say.. no I don't want this, I'm not going to be happy like this. If she'd chosen to settle.. she would have made herself be content... and that's what appeals to me about the journey they sent her on with Pete. Sam getting to know herself.. delving into parts of her we previously hadn't seen. It all rounded her out as a person for me. I love Sam Carter... she has strength and integrity, compassion and most importantly for me.. realism (ok her number of skillsets borders on ludicrous but hey genius right?). I love her even more for her fallacies and failings. She tried something.. it wasn't right for her.. she had the strength to fix it. And I do think she's in love with Jack and I think she knows that, but more importantly I think she realised in Threads that anything else would be a settle. So that just makes their situation beautifully poignant and a little hopless (god I love the forbidden) and I can't wait to see what happens next.

I come from the SVU fandom and beleive me when I tell you, this ship is being handled really really well. I think the people in charge have made a lot of clear efforts to give us what we want without damaging the appeal of the show. Gotta remember they're playing to a wider perspective. I have faith (given the subtle crumbs that have been thrown our way) that it isn't done and dusted yet.

I'm gonna sit back and see what happens in s9...... but in the meantime virtual season ahoy!

:D

ses110
April 27th, 2005, 05:43 PM
Caty you can bet TPTB will have Sam flirting with all of Sam's Man friends in Season 9.I'll be interested to hear how Sam reacts when meeting with Orlin.I'll have to hear about it on the forum since I will not be watching.I doubt Sam will get involved with any of her Man Friends but you can be sure TPTB will push the limit of the flirting.This might sound silly but I did not like the way Sam was with Baal in Reckoning 2.Baal was the one who killed Jack over and over and Baal even took a shot a Jack when Sam told Baal Jack made the Replicator weapon and Sam says nothing to defened Jack or Sam does not even give Baal a dirty look.IMO Sam will never be a great leader until she stops trying to be Friends with everyone.Sam has to understand when your the Boss you cannot be everyone Friend.You have to have a Mean Streak and you sometimes have to do things you do not want to do to get the Job done and get your Team Home safetly.I Hate to say it but it may be better to have Mitchell be in Command of Sg-1.Sam is a great character and my 2nd favorite after Jack but as a Leader Sam has a lot to learn.

ses110
April 27th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Tame I think it's great if you are Happy about Season 9.I cannot blame any Shipper or Fan that looks forward to Season 9.I wish I can be Happy as well.I just do not have it in me to continue without RDA and since the Sam and Jack Ship was not wrapped to my liking I will not give Season 9 a chance.IMO TPTB are not even trying to reach out to the Shippers so there's no reason why I should give them a chance.TPTB made there decisions regarding Ship and they should have understood many Shippers would not give them another Season to get it right.if Jack does show up for some late Season episodes I'll watch those episodes but I will no longer watch every week.

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 05:52 PM
here we go melpomene (and my shippy family ;) ) some caps, i've been playing with my computer lately :D

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/7684/ship1zf.jpg

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/533/ship10ry.jpg

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/5011/ship28tw.jpg

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/7418/ship30qo.jpg

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 05:53 PM
a few more


http://img4.exs.cx/img4/4876/ship46mi.jpg

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/5528/ship58aq.jpg

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 05:54 PM
and more

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/605/ship74gg.jpg

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/3672/shipe61zs.jpg

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 05:55 PM
and finally

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/9639/sanstitre113fr.jpg

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/8559/sanstitre123tc.jpg

more to come later..I enjoy playing with my laptop !! :D just ask for an episode or a season and I'll be glad to find some nice pics :)

girlgater
April 27th, 2005, 05:59 PM
Virtual season.. yay!

While I still have faith in the machinations of the show to give me what I want (I'm known as miss positive in some parts) the idea of a virtual season makes me quiver ;)

Virtual seasons redeemed Voyager for me (not even goin there.. let it go.. they don't care) after the hatchet job they managed to pull at the end.

Also I think in Threads that Sam's development arc came to fruition in a lot of ways. It takes a lot of courage to look at your life when it's set up to go the way hers was and say.. no I don't want this, I'm not going to be happy like this. If she'd chosen to settle.. she would have made herself be content... and that's what appeals to me about the journey they sent her on with Pete. Sam getting to know herself.. delving into parts of her we previously hadn't seen. It all rounded her out as a person for me. I love Sam Carter... she has strength and integrity, compassion and most importantly for me.. realism (ok her number of skillsets borders on ludicrous but hey genius right?). I love her even more for her fallacies and failings. She tried something.. it wasn't right for her.. she had the strength to fix it. And I do think she's in love with Jack and I think she knows that, but more importantly I think she realised in Threads that anything else would be a settle. So that just makes their situation beautifully poignant and a little hopless (god I love the forbidden) and I can't wait to see what happens next.

I come from the SVU fandom and beleive me when I tell you, this ship is being handled really really well. I think the people in charge have made a lot of clear efforts to give us what we want without damaging the appeal of the show. Gotta remember they're playing to a wider perspective. I have faith (given the subtle crumbs that have been thrown our way) that it isn't done and dusted yet.

I'm gonna sit back and see what happens in s9...... but in the meantime virtual season ahoy!

:D


Well said Myrth. I haven't been a shipper that long, and granted I'm living in a fantasy world, seeing the ship through rose colored glasses, etc., but I can't help but believe that TPTB will give us what we want. It may not be the full-blown wedding/open relationship that we all want, but still...I think we will get something. Be it a honkin' kiss, or just a few telephone calls with RDA coming back for a S9 finale. We'll get something. I know that the writers have done the one step forward, two step back kind of thing over the years in regards to the ship, but with RDA cutting back, they'll hopefully give us some resolution to demonstrate that Sam and Jack are in fact together--as a couple. I can't say I trust TPTB, but being realistic, they have to consider their fan base.

The new characters really do not interest me at this point, but I'm willing to continue to watch Sam especially because she is such a great character. IF, and I said IF, I get attached to the new characters, great. If not, I'll probably still continue to watch the show for potential shippy episodes between Sam & Jack. Remember...RDA didn't want to be written out or killed off the show. Jack will still be there, and where there is Jack, there will be Sam.

gatebee
April 27th, 2005, 06:00 PM
and more

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/605/ship74gg.jpg

http://img4.exs.cx/img4/3672/shipe61zs.jpg
((((((((( lonely star )))))))) thank you for those lovely pics of Sam and Jack as we remember them so well. I am low right now as well about S9. TPTB have pulled my chain soo far. I think they have broken my faith on them making our ship come true. It is a pity cause it was a nice ride while it lasted. goes back to watching dvd's

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Ohh Pics! See I'm still trying to work out the rules here <g>

I have a bunch of caps in my gallery you're free to nick if you like, they're genearlly HD digital caps http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery

:)

Er they are my caps too.. and there will be more.. I keep getting distracted by the shiny DVDs and forget to cap em ;)

girlgater
April 27th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Great pictures lonely_star and Myrth. Just what the ship doctor ordered! ;)

sg-1fanintn
April 27th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Ok.....let me put my media relations thinking cap on. Remember that the goal is to always show your best face, and to use hype to build interest (i.e., the worst movies often have the best trailers. They do well the first weekend; then, word of mouth and actual viewer reaction shoot them down).

So.....if I were running scared because I lost my male lead and my female lead was going to miss the first six episodes of the new season, I would:

1. Try to shore up the cast with favorite actors from the same genre;
2. Pander to the easiest-to-retain demographic (18-25-year-old males) by selling with sex;
3. Talk at every opportunity I could about how great the new season was going to be and
4. Keep the dedicated fan base guessing about the fate of the beloved (and missing) characters.

By golly, that's some media plan! I could make that work!!! I think that's what they're doing!

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Ohh Pics! See I'm still trying to work out the rules here <g>

I have a bunch of caps in my gallery you're free to nick if you like, they're genearlly HD digital caps http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery

:)

Er they are my caps too.. and there will be more.. I keep getting distracted by the shiny DVDs and forget to cap em ;)

you have some very good there !! I can't resist to put some here and share them with the family so let's say thanks to MYRTH guys !!!! (((((Myrth))))

http://img259.exs.cx/img259/2269/woo1ub.jpg

http://img259.exs.cx/img259/1066/gangsta1ji.jpg
]

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 06:20 PM
and the masterpiece : :D :D :D

THANKS MYRTH !!!

http://img259.exs.cx/img259/2083/wow6jy.jpg

(((((MYRTH)))))

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Ok.....let me put my media relations thinking cap on. Remember that the goal is to always show your best face, and to use hype to build interest (i.e., the worst movies often have the best trailers. They do well the first weekend; then, word of mouth and actual viewer reaction shoot them down).

So.....if I were running scared because I lost my male lead and my female lead was going to miss the first six episodes of the new season, I would:

1. Try to shore up the cast with favorite actors from the same genre;
2. Pander to the easiest-to-retain demographic (18-25-year-old males) by selling with sex;
3. Talk at every opportunity I could about how great the new season was going to be and
4. Keep the dedicated fan base guessing about the fate of the beloved (and missing) characters.

By golly, that's some media plan! I could make that work!!! I think that's what they're doing!
you know-you do have a point-but seeing as how they managed to royally screw up and us in the doing-i find it very hard to trust them. -i just think that whatever we got in 8 is what we got and to hold out any hope of anything remotely related to s/j-i dunno

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 06:26 PM
No worries :)

That last one is so damn adorable.. I can't stop staring at it on the wall...... it's like The Light.. someone slap me!

Oooh I should say though that I was seriously impressed with Legends... I bought it from them through www.stargateautographs.com (http://www.stargateautographs.com) and I was really impressed with the service. I had to back order the pic.. but they kept me up to date via e-mail and when it did come in only took a week to get here (I'm in Australia). Plus my money went to RDA & AT's charity of choice. So if anyone's thinking about it, I highly recommend them.

;)
Annnd just to throw one of my fav caps into the mix.... she's so damn cute!

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_wideeyes.jpg

Uber
April 27th, 2005, 06:27 PM
you have some very good there !! I can't resist to put some here and share them with the family so let's say thanks to MYRTH guys !!!! (((((Myrth))))

http://img259.exs.cx/img259/2269/woo1ub.jpg

http://img259.exs.cx/img259/1066/gangsta1ji.jpg

When was this picture taken? What was it for?

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Ok.....let me put my media relations thinking cap on. Remember that the goal is to always show your best face, and to use hype to build interest (i.e., the worst movies often have the best trailers. They do well the first weekend; then, word of mouth and actual viewer reaction shoot them down).

So.....if I were running scared because I lost my male lead and my female lead was going to miss the first six episodes of the new season, I would:

1. Try to shore up the cast with favorite actors from the same genre;
2. Pander to the easiest-to-retain demographic (18-25-year-old males) by selling with sex;
3. Talk at every opportunity I could about how great the new season was going to be and
4. Keep the dedicated fan base guessing about the fate of the beloved (and missing) characters.

By golly, that's some media plan! I could make that work!!! I think that's what they're doing!

totally agree with you...let's stay cool and wait without freaking out too much and we'll see what the new season brings...or doesn't :S
all that crap is just commercial they do everyhting they can to make people watch and earn MONEY !! there's nothing more in this industry than MONEY...they just don't care about how the things are supposed to be to respect characters integrity or a piece of "truth", we can't interpret any longer in a bad way (or a good one) what we know and hear from spoilers. I think i'll read them but won't really pay attention to them...every thing is manipulated we should know that by now and learn lessons from the past...
so let's enjoy what we already have and let's write our virtual season waiting to see what the new one brings...

and if you feel bad about all those things, just watch some old eps and some shippy vids ;) that's such a good drug...but careful you could become addicted :D

gatebee
April 27th, 2005, 06:30 PM
thanks Myrth
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/da317410.jpg
so near and yet so far away if we follow TPTB

Kliggins
April 27th, 2005, 06:34 PM
No worries :)

That last one is so damn adorable.. I can't stop staring at it on the wall...... it's like The Light.. someone slap me!

Oooh I should say though that I was seriously impressed with Legends... I bought it from them through www.stargateautographs.com (http://www.stargateautographs.com) and I was really impressed with the service. I had to back order the pic.. but they kept me up to date via e-mail and when it did come in only took a week to get here (I'm in Australia). Plus my money went to RDA & AT's charity of choice. So if anyone's thinking about it, I highly recommend them.



I can happily recommend Legends too. They run a first class operation and I would not hesitate to buy from them again. :)

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 06:36 PM
Just to give you a reference for that cap (hey it might give you some hope) I was watching some of the director's commentaries from the DVDs at the time and either Peter or Martin were explaining how they establish relationships on screen with camera shots and body positioning.

My conclusion out of that ep was that they are together... two reasons... hand pr0n and that shot there. In their terms film wise.. that screams that Jack & Sam are together.

Also I'd never seen them in each other's personal space like that without some drastic reason before... interesting neh?

I took the whole new level of familiarity from Sam & Jack in the beginning of Moebius as evidence of a new relationship. But I wanna see the big honkin kiss now!

And you just reminded me... shippiest line ever (ok maybe not but it's a great clue).. "SHE wouldn't let me go back and watch the world series".

Jack was treating her like a girlfriend throughout that whole sequence.. right up to the time shift.

:D



thanks Myrth

so near and yet so far away if we follow TPTB

girlgater
April 27th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Well, now that you mention the World Series comment, that does bring up the subject of the Chicago Cubs. Obviously Jack must be a Cubs fan. He mentioned the Cubs in an earlier episode. For those of you who don't know, the Chicago Cubs haven't won the World Series in years--and I do mean years. Their fans are die hard fanatics/loyal and never give up hope--I've heard fans say year after year when they can't go all the way..."we'll get them next year." Perhaps there is some symbolism in the fact that Jack is a Cubs fan and we ship fans are always waiting for next year as well. Except...I think the ship resolution will probably come sooner than the Cubs winning the World Series (and I'm a Cub fan). :)

Buc252
April 27th, 2005, 06:51 PM
I just started to think about some of the stuff we as shippers were given in Season 8 and really believe that unless TPTB are cruel and heartless and have zero interest in continuing a theme . . .



Uhhh . . . that's them! :D

Kliggins
April 27th, 2005, 06:56 PM
When was this picture taken? What was it for?

It is a behind the scenes picture taken during the season 7 episode Fragile Balance. :)

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 06:56 PM
I put it in spoiler cause this IS spoiler...be careful or you'll be dinged ;)



And you just reminded me... shippiest line ever (ok maybe not but it's a great clue).. "SHE wouldn't let me go back and watch the world series".

Jack was treating her like a girlfriend throughout that whole sequence.. right up to the time shift.

:D

yep that's true that this sentence speaks a lot...I think it's weird but I like thinking that he treats her more like a girlfriend than a scientist who doesn't want to alterate the timeline...but anyway...it's a weird sentence full of meaning ;)

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 06:59 PM
Just to give you a reference for that cap (hey it might give you some hope) I was watching some of the director's commentaries from the DVDs at the time and either Peter or Martin were explaining how they establish relationships on screen with camera shots and body positioning.

My conclusion out of that ep was that they are together... two reasons... hand pr0n and that shot there. In their terms film wise.. that screams that Jack & Sam are together.

Also I'd never seen them in each other's personal space like that without some drastic reason before... interesting neh?

I took the whole new level of familiarity from Sam & Jack in the beginning of Moebius as evidence of a new relationship. But I wanna see the big honkin kiss now!

And you just reminded me... shippiest line ever (ok maybe not but it's a great clue).. "SHE wouldn't let me go back and watch the world series".

Jack was treating her like a girlfriend throughout that whole sequence.. right up to the time shift.

:D

I don't know about the world series line, but he definitly touched her hand when she was passing the papers. It was very deliberate too. He was definitly going for the hand, because he wasn't close to touching the paper. His movement is so fast, you really have to slow down the scene to catch it.

Buc252
April 27th, 2005, 07:07 PM
And just the original team please ..no one else ;)

The virtual season 9 premiere should be very exiting :D

Caty :)

I want Jonas!!!!! And the premier should somehow manage to get Janet back. . .

Rogue
April 27th, 2005, 07:10 PM
I want Jonas!!!!! And the premier should somehow manage to get Janet back. . .

Yeah, we can correct all of TPTB screw ups.

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 07:15 PM
Here we go !! and you're totally right !!!
Moebius
it's not unfortunate....he really goes for the hand !! he's so far from the paper !!! :D

hand1 (http://img242.exs.cx/img242/5853/moebiusmain31fw.jpg)
hand2 (http://img242.exs.cx/img242/6589/moebiusmain1wm.jpg)
hand3 (http://img242.exs.cx/img242/999/moebiusmain28zd.jpg)

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 07:26 PM
I want Jonas!!!!! And the premier should somehow manage to get Janet back. . .

yep good idea !! bring janet !! and I want to see Cassie more often !!!! and ok for jonas too, he's good looking ;) :D

let's correct all TPTB mistakes !!!! YAY !! how many writters are in right now ?

Buc252
April 27th, 2005, 07:28 PM
They seem to have forgotten that big percentage of their audience is made up of intelligent adults. Now it looks as though they've gone for the teenage male audience. *sigh* :rolleyes:

<snark on>

Of course! Haven't you heard? Teenage boys have wayyyyy more money to spend than intelligent adults do, so they're the "target audience." Why should they be interested in those of us who have the $$ to buy the boxed DVD sets?

<snark off>

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 07:29 PM
Oops.. sowwy.. :o



I put it in spoiler cause this IS spoiler...be careful or you'll be dinged ;)



yep that's true that this sentence speaks a lot...I think it's weird but I like thinking that he treats her more like a girlfriend than a scientist who doesn't want to alterate the timeline...but anyway...it's a weird sentence full of meaning ;)

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 07:35 PM
Oops.. sowwy.. :o

yep personnaly I don't care but I know some of the family members haven't see season 8 (well finally I doubt but let's be prudent!!) or don't want to know until it's officially aired in their country like my fellows french people ;)

no seriously, who have never seen season 8 ??? just wondering ? :rolleyes:
because we could just put the spoiler tag for the season 9 if everybody agrees cause I'm sure all of us have seen season 8 now

what do ya all think ?? wouldn't it be easier ? oups...maybe we're not allowed until it's aired everywhere... :rolleyes: can you tell me ? I'm relatively new, I have no idea :o

Buc252
April 27th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Yeah, we can correct all of TPTB screw ups.

Actually, I've had a feasible plotline in mind for awhile now that could be used to bring Jonas back to the SGC full time. And it's even in canon with previous seasons! <g>

Janet would be a little tougher to do, but I'm sure there are a lot of writers out there who can come up with feasible plotlines to bring her back.

:D

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 07:46 PM
Bringing Janet back would be relatively straightforward I would think..... quantum mirror accident.. :D

pittsburghgirl
April 27th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Bringing Janet back would be relatively straightforward I would think..... quantum mirror accident.. :D
staying within canon i think that we might have some flexibility with our virtual season 9-with the talent we have on this thread I think that whomever (whoever-where is Jack when we need grammer corrections anyway?) is involved will do a bang up job.

gatebee
April 27th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Here we go !! and you're totally right !!!
Moebius
it's not unfortunate....he really goes for the hand !! he's so far from the paper !!! :D

hand1 (http://img242.exs.cx/img242/5853/moebiusmain31fw.jpg)
hand2 (http://img242.exs.cx/img242/6589/moebiusmain1wm.jpg)
hand3 (http://img242.exs.cx/img242/999/moebiusmain28zd.jpg)
what I like after he touches her hand, try and follow where he puts that hand now...goes towards his chest .....

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 08:35 PM
what I like after he touches her hand, try and follow where he puts that hand now...goes towards his chest .....

exact...good observation

hand4 (http://img249.exs.cx/img249/5783/moebiusmain48za.jpg)
hand5 (http://img69.exs.cx/img69/1592/moebiusmain50xc.jpg)

but what I prefer is T's reaction !! I'm sure he noticed !!! :D

Teal'c (http://img69.exs.cx/img69/4637/treac2oz.jpg)
I like his facial expression and he even turns his head kinda wondering if he dreamt or what !! :p :D

gatebee
April 27th, 2005, 08:40 PM
exact...good observation

hand4 (http://img249.exs.cx/img249/5783/moebiusmain48za.jpg)
hand5 (http://img69.exs.cx/img69/1592/moebiusmain50xc.jpg)

but what I prefer is T's reaction !! I'm sure he noticed !!! :D

Teal'c (http://img69.exs.cx/img69/4637/treac2oz.jpg)
I like his facial expression and he even turns his head kinda wondering if he dreamt or what !! :p :D
I think all of them noticed it but they all just know that Sam and Jack are an item

lonely_star
April 27th, 2005, 08:53 PM
I think all of them noticed it but they all just know that Sam and Jack are an item

yes right ! I still have troubles to beleive it ! :D or at least to beleive that TPTB did finally do it...but it's so unclear...well still waiting for the BIG HONKIN' KISS !!

gatewatcher
April 27th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Sam is a Great character and AT is great dont get me wrong but IMO it has been proven the Sam Daniel and Teal'c characters have not been able to carry the show without Jack in the episode or very little Jack.Maybe that changes with Season 9 but I have no desire to see them try without Jack.IMO the episodes that were either Sam Daniel or Teal'c heavy were very disappointing for the most part.I cannot remember too many Jack heavy episodes that did not work.I know alot of people will disagree but I really feel the Sam Daniel and Teal'c characters work Best as supporting characters to Jack.So far I have not been impressed when Sam Daniel and Teal'c have to take the lead.I think Season 7 and 8 proves that fact.
I agree SES. I think Sam, Daniel and Teal'c episode are fine, but it takes Jack to give it more ?????????I don't know umph He is the heart, soul, humor, and center of the show. and I can't think of a Jack heavy show I didn't like :D thank goodness for DVD's

Gatetrixer
April 27th, 2005, 10:22 PM
I'm loving this conversation. I'd just like to add to Sally's remarks. I think we had Pete with us a lot longer than TPTB intended, because they were totally taken aback by the hatred of the character by fans...not just S/J shippers, but by a mixture of the fandom. TPTB couldn't believe this, and they then said it was our fault, as we had "issues". They just couldn't see how the fans could dislike a badly written character put in a story that was full of plot holes! :rolleyes:
There was absolutely no need for everything we saw in Chimera. We could have seen Sam and Pete together once, perhaps over dinner, and we would have got the picture! We fans can read between the lines and understand what's going on! He could have been mentioned a couple of times in later episodes, and then Sam dumps him after Lost City, when she realises it's Jack she loves! It would have saved Sam, Jack, Pete and shippers world-wide a lot of heartache! :D

There was something about the early Chimera scenes between Sam and Pete that made them uncomfortable for me to watch (and not just the fact the I didn't want Sam with him in the first place!) I also read that JM called it "cutsy-wootsy" and said it made him a little woozy. He obviously didn't like
the way it was written (or maybe acted) either. Something about it was way overdone, I think. It was nice to see Sam with her million watt smile--I mean it would have with Jack. And I'm certainly not against gf and bf and/or lovers having cute dialogue, whether young,a bit older,or middle aged,or geriatric or whatever, that's the way of the world but this.......

Gatetrixer
April 27th, 2005, 10:45 PM
yep personnaly I don't care but I know some of the family members haven't see season 8 (well finally I doubt but let's be prudent!!) or don't want to know until it's officially aired in their country like my fellows french people ;)

no seriously, who have never seen season 8 ??? just wondering ? :rolleyes:
because we could just put the spoiler tag for the season 9 if everybody agrees cause I'm sure all of us have seen season 8 now

what do ya all think ?? wouldn't it be easier ? oups...maybe we're not allowed until it's aired everywhere... :rolleyes: can you tell me ? I'm relatively new, I have no idea :o

People in the USA who don't have cable are watching Season 7 in syndication right now and I think other countries are watching S6 (though I'm not sure) so GW has those inconvenient rules. (Which I guess I forgot in a previous post).

Gatetrixer
April 27th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Just to give you a reference for that cap (hey it might give you some hope) I was watching some of the director's commentaries from the DVDs at the time and either Peter or Martin were explaining how they establish relationships on screen with camera shots and body positioning.

My conclusion out of that ep was that they are together... two reasons... hand pr0n and that shot there. In their terms film wise.. that screams that Jack & Sam are together.

Also I'd never seen them in each other's personal space like that without some drastic reason before... interesting neh?

I took the whole new level of familiarity from Sam & Jack in the beginning of Moebius as evidence of a new relationship. But I wanna see the big honkin kiss now!

And you just reminded me... shippiest line ever (ok maybe not but it's a great clue).. "SHE wouldn't let me go back and watch the world series".

Jack was treating her like a girlfriend throughout that whole sequence.. right up to the time shift.

:D


Was't there some dialogue in "1969" with Jack asking Sam about going back to see certain sports events and she says no? I the SuperBowl was in there somewhere. Sometimes I get what happened in eps and fanfic mixed up a bit but it sure seems like I heard the Cubs mentioned before.

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Could have been.... but his tone is what did it for me :D

Then the same thing later on the puddle jumper when she throws that pointed "Sir" at him. To me their whole interaction read like she was his girlfriend and he was playing the nagged boyfriend - and when I say that I mean playing with affection, as in she's my girl and I'm gonna roll my eyes while counting my lucky stars and wondering what I did right... kinda playing.

Also there was the obvious "There's a room full of geeks [eyes rake her body] waiting to get their hands on this... but something I was wondering about was her apprehensive expression following that.. made no sense. Till I slowed it down and realised she reacts as he walks past her.. like he's grabbed her ass on the way out.. so I took that look as a "not here Jack" kinda look.. just an impression.


:)

Catysg1
April 28th, 2005, 01:29 AM
I think all of them noticed it but they all just know that Sam and Jack are an item

I love that hand touching ...I mean it's just like a a little brushing but when you love someone and you do that kind of thing..it gives you goosebumps ;) ...Now let's do a close up on both Sam and Jack 's arms and see if they have goosebumps . :)

I think the hand touched thingie was in great part done by RDA and not the Jack character but TPTB left it because it was really cute :)..it was in a way scripted because of the close up of the camera shot but they left it up to them to do it ...I mean it's probably hard to script 2 hands approaching each other ...you just have to use the chemistry there

Still too little of a shippy scene for me ...you blink and you miss it :rolleyes:


Caty:)

majorsal
April 28th, 2005, 01:29 AM
i have a request to make. someone gave a link to a *fantastic* site, and i 'think' in was from here. so, did someone here give this link:

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

and if so, i have a question for you. in the 'gallery' section, 'grins', page two, you have a pick called 'I'm shy!'... amanda's leaning her face against someone's back. who's back?


sally :D

majorsal
April 28th, 2005, 01:49 AM
I always figured that Sam kept Pete as far away from Jack as possible. I think Pete knew long before he met Jacob that there was something wrong. She was way out of his league and was surpised when she said yes.

*nods* i agree completely.


here's something i never, ever, ever, ever thought i'd say.... thank goodness we got pete. :p why? because i've said more than once that it would have been more believable if sam had been paired up with a real hunk of a guy, but if that had happened, can you imagine how many more eps he would have been in!? :S if they'd made him prince charming, with the sex appeal of RDA!... i think we would have suffered even MORE than we did! *shutters just with the thought* i guess, all in all, it was better we got a dufus that was SOOOOOO out of sam's league, because anyone of jack's league might have... actu... just mmight... ccould... have won sam for real!!! :eek:

(quick disclaimer: david deluise is NOT a dog. he's cute and charming - but sam's champagne and pete's bud light)


sally :D

Catysg1
April 28th, 2005, 02:03 AM
I put it in spoiler cause this IS spoiler...be careful or you'll be dinged ;)



yep that's true that this sentence speaks a lot...I think it's weird but I like thinking that he treats her more like a girlfriend than a scientist who doesn't want to alterate the timeline...but anyway...it's a weird sentence full of meaning ;)


I 'm also with all of you that this sentence was meant for us to think that he was alluding that she was his girfriend or even perhaps more because when you think about it ..if you do not live with someone you wouldn't really say that kind of things ..I mean you still have more space if not with someone and can do more what you want to do ....you are not together all the time and are free ..Jack was more talking Husbandly like .

I have a feeling that Sam and Jack spent a lot of time at each other's house after the Thread Infirnary scene probably as friends to become lovers soon ..Don't know !!!! Hum, I wonder how they could wait so long ..it's still not clear ..but at the end of the day ... what they do behind close doors ..nobody will know not the military ,not us ...and this could just be a big secret unless the SGC have them under surveillance tape .

To be honest ...for him to say a sentence like that one is a pretty strong allusion that she is his girl ..and Hum ...How long can they wait to have physical contact if they were together alone either his house , her house or the cabin .?
They must be really strong persons and extremely loyal to the military although Jack does not seem to care much about regs .He has been against the regs before ..I wonder if he tried to flirt with Sam a bit more than he was supposed to and she stopped him ...because Sam is great at playing by the book ... ..Saying that even if she had stayed with him for a week-end in Minnesota before Teal'c and Daniel turned up ..I doubt she stayed on the guess bed all night .

Who could resist to actually slip in bed with him ?!Even if it was just for a cuddle ....A cuddle is a cuddle wherever that is ..at the SGC like they did before or at home .

I also wonder if they actually did it but made sure that the military knew about them becoming an item and Jack made it clear that he was gonna resigned his position to become Homeland security as soon as kerry told him to do something about it ...and requested a immediate clearance . :D

May be the military gave them clearance so that they do not have to wait another few weeks or even months until they can be together ..At least that way they were honest and discussed the issue with the military .

In the meantime , it must be really hard for them to still call each other "Sir" and " Carter".
I think Jack was a bit Pi$$ed by that at the end of Threads when he shouted "Carter" a first time and then changed his tone of voice and repeated "Carter" in a softer way with a fed up grim on his face .

What I like with Sam is She always accepts Jack for who he is ..and she didn't seem to be bothered about being called Carter again by Jack after the infirmary shippy scene and the "Always" .She is so flexible and so understanding .
She is a great person and Jack will be extremely happy with her ...if they managed to live together one day and not have a long distance relationship !!! :rolleyes: .

I can just see Jack say in the season 9 premiere to Daniel and Teal'c :

"Typical , now that we can be together ,we are still apart "

and that with another fed up grim on his face but then He'll say to Daniel and Teal'c:

"Excuse me But I need to know how she is , I'll be right back" :D


Caty:)

Catysg1
April 28th, 2005, 02:13 AM
yep good idea !! bring janet !! and I want to see Cassie more often !!!! and ok for jonas too, he's good looking ;) :D

let's correct all TPTB mistakes !!!! YAY !! how many writters are in right now ?


Yeah yeah yeah ..We have to bring Jonas back for real , Janet in flasbacks or quantum mirror or AU episodes ..Please not too many shippy scenes between Sam and Jack in AU unless they are married and live together ... I'm sick off AU shippy scenes only but You chose which house?!!!All Sam and Jack shippy scenes mostly in real time please .

We need Cassie back a lot ..She could either be living with Sam and Jack or a house not far away ..with nice boyfriend ..She may even be a member of SGC another scientist for example ..or may be she decided to go to that military school that Sam visited one day and Cassie is now a cadet :)

and we want Jacob back in flasback..or AU too ..I would not mind Martouff because he was a great character really ..I wonder why they killed him off so early in the show .!!!


Caty:)

Catysg1
April 28th, 2005, 02:29 AM
I know what's wrong with all of us today. We saw the S9 photos of the sword and the leather bimbo outfit, and we read the MS interview. Please bear in mind that the "interview" was probably put together by a publicist.....and may not even reflect MS's true views.

:( :eek: Message to TPTB: Much of your solid fan base consists of adults, and many are women! How about our wants, our needs? Leather, boobs and no S/J resolution will just drive us away! :( :eek:


I didn't see the photos and I don't want to see them ..I know that TPTB is just doing that to upset the fanbase and to see what kind of new discussion threads will come up at the GW board in the next few days ...

I remember when we had that horrible pic of Sam and Pete offering the ring and then Kerry and Jack in bed ...The next day ....everybody was talking about it either in a good way ( not so much) but mostly in a bad way ...and we know about that and how come the show was becoming a soap opera ... bla bla bal .

You would have thought TPTB would have learnt their lesson ...that most fans ..and I'm talking as a shipper there ,would prefer to have a MEANINGFUL romantic pic once in a while between their favourite ship and I don't mean that it has to be in bed ..It could be a hug or a big smile coming from both of them while talking ..is it to much to ask ?!!! Apparently yes ...they don't give a damn about the fans feelings ..Can't they bring women to write the show ?!!

Caty:)

sueKay
April 28th, 2005, 02:44 AM
Heya!

I GET MY COMPUTER BACK TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ahem...anywho

I've been brainstorming on the Virtual season thing, and Here's who we need to pull this off

Writers
Looking for ALL kinds of writer, but we don't want to turn this into the Sam and Jack hour (as much as we'd like it). If people are going to read the stories...then we're going to have to make them canonically sound.

Editors
People to nitpick on stories and to help with things such as plot arcs over the course of the season.

Artists
I was thinking...like the Virtual Voyager seasons...we could do like a book cover graphic for each episode. We'll also need banners and stuff done.

I'm going to manage the running of the website, and I'm sure Myrth will be able to help us out (considering she knows a helluva lot more about web hosting than me!)

Looking over the last few pages...I've put together the cast!

Cast
Jack O'Neill
Sam Carter
Daniel Jackson
Teal'c
Hammond
Janet Frasier
Jonas Quinn

....cos we wuv em all! :D

Edit - Here's a link to Virtual Voyager...have a browse...this will also give you and idea what we want ours to look like - http://vv8.jetc.org/main2.html

Now ROLLCALL

Current list of this willing to contribute

sueKay - editor, writer, runner (for the moment...any takers?)
Pittsburgh Girl - ?
Myrth - ?
LOL4JACK - ?

add your name, and what you want to be from the list above!!!!!!!

Catysg1
April 28th, 2005, 02:59 AM
Tame I think it's great if you are Happy about Season 9.I cannot blame any Shipper or Fan that looks forward to Season 9.I wish I can be Happy as well.I just do not have it in me to continue without RDA and since the Sam and Jack Ship was not wrapped to my liking I will not give Season 9 a chance.IMO TPTB are not even trying to reach out to the Shippers so there's no reason why I should give them a chance.TPTB made there decisions regarding Ship and they should have understood many Shippers would not give them another Season to get it right.if Jack does show up for some late Season episodes I'll watch those episodes but I will no longer watch every week.


Also I'm happy for the shippers who are happy about season 9 ..why not !!!..but I'd like to ask Tame and others if they would carry on watching that show if Jack does not mention Sam at all in a romantic way in season 9 opening premiere ..I think if he does not it would be a real kick in the teeth and so so unfair .. and TPTB will not get anymore of my viewing time and certainly not a DVD purchase ( I don't have season 7 , will not buy season 8 either and season 9 is a no no as well )
I don't think TPTB will do that unless they are evil like Apophis & Anubis and I still have my doubts but we saw them ignoring the ship from Lost city 2 to new order until the very end of new order 2 where we got the promo scene ... I didn't really like the way they brought Jack back in the lost city ..I was expecting something more dramatic really..and they tried to separate Sam from Jack and vice versa as much as they could ...They did that a lot in season 8 .

May be I 'd like to believe that it was to ease the pain of not seeing them together anymore in season 9 but I don't think TPTB would think like that and be that caring about what fans would feel.

so why if they do the same ( ignore the ship).....No Sam 's reference at all from Jack or if there is ....they make you wait until season 9 premiere part 3 ..because I think RDA is doing 1 and 3 correct!!!!

Why if they really do that ?!! I wish they would have stopped with the original team and go straight to movies .
I'm afraid ..I think they are doing the same mistake as the x-files did ..which was to introduce new characters right at the end of the show . Fans are not stupid ..they know that they (TPTB) are doing it just for the money now .

There is absolutely no other reason why ? if the show is still popular ...then Stop the series because RDA only wants to do films and just make movies :D ..Jack is the soul of the show ..Nobody else will ever replace him.....Without him Stargate is gone ..

....and as much as I like BB and CB together in Farscape ..I do not want to see them come into Stargate ...Why didn't they start a new show for both actors BB and CB if they still want to play together rather than coming into a fullY established Sci fi show .??!!


It's like BB exiting Farscape in season 4 and have RDA taking the lead of Moya for season 5 and AT being there too to control the ship with Aeyrin ..I mean ..wouldn't that be weird and kind of off putting for the Farscape fans ?!!

Caty:)

Catysg1
April 28th, 2005, 03:11 AM
Ohh Pics! See I'm still trying to work out the rules here <g>

I have a bunch of caps in my gallery you're free to nick if you like, they're genearlly HD digital caps http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/gallery

:)

Er they are my caps too.. and there will be more.. I keep getting distracted by the shiny DVDs and forget to cap em ;)

Great gallery Myrth:)and very shippy Sam and Jack ;)

Caty:)

sueKay
April 28th, 2005, 03:15 AM
Every time I read a new spoiler for season nine, I feel more amd more disheartened...

They are betraying their fanbase and royally screwing the farscape fans too.

Before BB was cast, there was still a chance for Scapers to get more Farscape...but now there isn't.

I was actually upset when it was mentioned that the crew of the show have never been happier...they sound so positively happy that they've wrecked the show and killed off most of the cast. In seasons 1 - 6, I still could see the resemblance between the movie and the show...that's all but gone now... Jack, Hammond, Janet, Jonas and many others are gone. Daniel and Sam are completely different now from what they were like.

If anyone deserves to be the lead of the show...it's Chris Judge...he's given his all to the show, and been in all but one episode...his writing's top notch and he knows what the viewers want. And also...haven't you noticed that he has been VERY quiet about his thoughts on season nine? I have nothing again BB, but one of the existing cast deserves the job.

End rant

sueKay
April 28th, 2005, 03:30 AM
Okay...here's something for you all to ponder

Virtual Season nine wish list

For Jack
apart from stripping off at least once per episode...I'd like to see him interacting with kids again

For Sam
I want to see her be a leader

For Daniel
I want our Spacemonkey back...I don't like action Danny

For Teal'c
I wan't to see him at a Sci Fi convention!

For our enemies
I wanna see the Goa'uld and Replicators kick some a$$...none of this Orii ascended guff and an apearance by the aschen

For other stuff
Furlings, Reetou, and any other dangling plot threads tied up.

Oh!

A food fight in the commisary...with just Jack and Sam (and blue jello :P)

Catysg1
April 28th, 2005, 03:32 AM
Every time I read a new spoiler for season nine, I feel more amd more disheartened...

They are betraying their fanbase and royally screwing the farscape fans too.

Before BB was cast, there was still a chance for Scapers to get more Farscape...but now there isn't.

I was actually upset when it was mentioned that the crew of the show have never been happier...they sound so positively happy that they've wrecked the show and killed off most of the cast. In seasons 1 - 6, I still could see the resemblance between the movie and the show...that's all but gone now... Jack, Hammond, Janet, Jonas and many others are gone. Daniel and Sam are completely different now from what they were like.

If anyone deserves to be the lead of the show...it's Chris Judge...he's given his all to the show, and been in all but one episode...his writing's top notch and he knows what the viewers want. And also...haven't you noticed that he has been VERY quiet about his thoughts on season nine? I have nothing again BB, but one of the existing cast deserves the job.

End rant


I agree with that ..BB should not be made the leader of SG1 ...It's even an insult to RDA and the Jack character ..and a degradation for Sam , Teal'c and Daniel ..Couldn't they make Daniel and Teal'c part of the military along the way or a temporay replacement with one of them even if they aren't military ?!!!
I suppose Sam will be the leader when she comes back so at least we know it's temporary but still I'm so against those new characters ...I'm not looking forward to it ..and In fact , I have no interest in reading the spoilers and see spoiler pics unless it's a shippy one from Sam and Jack which by the way will never Happen :eek:

Caty:)
Caty:)

sueKay
April 28th, 2005, 03:40 AM
I used to be glued to GW's front page, looking for any spoilers I could find...now I only read them if I'm bored...and I'm not impressed.

I spoiler free for Atlantis of my own free will...but with SG1...I just don't really care anymore...

I've got almost all the DVDs, the novels, links to fanfiction sites and authors and a healthy imagination...Who needs season nine to be real? We can make it the way we want!

I'm happy for those who are looking forward to season nine, or have found a new ship in Atlantis, but I'm nearing the end of this fandom...But I will be a fan OF THE FANDOM for a LONG time to come!

Myrth
April 28th, 2005, 05:09 AM
That was me :)

And it's a cap from the director's series of ... damn the name is eluding me.. season 7 ep where they find that civilisation in the bubble run by the computer and the population's shrinking... I think it's Dan Shea's back.. someone like that. She was trying to hide from the BTS (behind the scenes) camera that was chasing her.

Hope that helps

:D



i have a request to make. someone gave a link to a *fantastic* site, and i 'think' in was from here. so, did someone here give this link:

http://www.bigbutton.com.au/~wickedgrin/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

and if so, i have a question for you. in the 'gallery' section, 'grins', page two, you have a pick called 'I'm shy!'... amanda's leaning her face against someone's back. who's back?


sally :D

Myrth
April 28th, 2005, 05:11 AM
My name's there but I can write, do graphics, setup websites, whatever you need.. except editing.. I miss whole words.. I suck at editing :D


Heya!

Now ROLLCALL


Current list of this willing to contribute

sueKay - editor, writer, runner (for the moment...any takers?)
Pittsburgh Girl - ?
Myrth - ?
LOL4JACK - ?

add your name, and what you want to be from the list above!!!!!!!

Rogue
April 28th, 2005, 05:33 AM
Ugh! They got the rose that the Spudster gave Sam in Chimera up for auction on Ebay.

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 05:38 AM
Ugh! They got the rose that the Spudster gave Sam in Chimera up for auction on Ebay.

Gee whiz. Obviously no shipper would ever bid on it.

Rogue
April 28th, 2005, 05:47 AM
Gee whiz. Obviously no shipper would ever bid on it.

I might just so I can stomp on it.

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 05:50 AM
Stomp it and then burn it! :D

Rogue
April 28th, 2005, 05:56 AM
Stomp it and then burn it! :D

Yeah, then mail the ashes back to TPTB.

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 06:28 AM
Here's a question for the shippers of the world:

Has Jack ever given Sam flowers (I don't think so)? But, if he did, what would they be? :rolleyes: I see it being something other than the traditional rose(s). Perhaps something simple like daisies, or maybe even something a bit unusual like peonies (my favorite).

Rogue
April 28th, 2005, 06:43 AM
Here's a question for the shippers of the world:

Has Jack ever given Sam flowers (I don't think so)? But, if he did, what would they be? :rolleyes: I see it being something other than the traditional rose(s). Perhaps something simple like daisies, or maybe even something a bit unusual like peonies (my favorite).

I think he gives her flowers Season 8 at the end of Its Good to be King?I know he didn't go buy them or pick them himself, but he could have dumped in the trash too.

http://www.stargatesg1971.com/goodtobeking/caps/image3255.html

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 06:46 AM
I think he gives her flowers Season 8 at the end of Its Good to be King?

http://www.stargatesg1971.com/goodtobeking/caps/image3255.html

I'd like to think he gave her those. :)

Rogue
April 28th, 2005, 06:51 AM
I'd like to think he gave her those. :)

Me too, you just have to assume she is waiting for him at the gate. Don't really show who he handed the flowers too.

pittsburghgirl
April 28th, 2005, 07:05 AM
Ugh! They got the rose that the Spudster gave Sam in Chimera up for auction on Ebay.
really??? what is the bid on them now?

Rogue
April 28th, 2005, 07:30 AM
really??? what is the bid on them now?

Last I looked it was around $60 dollars.

pittsburghgirl
April 28th, 2005, 07:34 AM
Last I looked it was around $60 dollars.
WHAT???????? Pardon the caps. Oy! It seems people will bid on anything. I just want the BDU's. Huh. *shakes head

Rogue
April 28th, 2005, 07:47 AM
WHAT???????? Pardon the caps. Oy! It seems people will bid on anything. I just want the BDU's. Huh. *shakes head

Yeah, a dollar is too much. I wanted the shock gernade but it went for $370.

nickatell
April 28th, 2005, 08:02 AM
I can understand how some fans of Stargate may be able to tune in to Season 9 with BB if they were a fan of his before, and for some maybe Jack was not their favorite character, and maybe some are just stronger than me. Even if I could get passed Jack not being in Season 9 as a regular (I may have to sit down that last sentence took a lot out of me), the stories would still be by the same PTB that have purposely gone out of their way to string the shippers along for eight years to give us pieces that we litterly have to disect to figure out what we did receive, I just don't want to go through that again. I realize that my hope hasn't completely evaporated and as others have said all the news coming out for Season 9 is only helping me stay away. Boy are they going to be shoving Season 9 down our throats or what, now they will be giving us pieces of Season 9 while we are enjoying our Jack filled Stargate Monday line-ups during the month of May. Things have really changed, I remember dieing with anticipation for anything about Season 8 and we got almost nothing, (I should have taken the hint); but now with "the new, happy, energetic new team", I'll be running from the tv.

Tame don't worry I am really not depressed, the writing has been on the wall. Discussing it with my shipper friends both who agree and who don't just gives me the opportunity to get it all out. Obviously I like the relationship, or what could have been between Jack and Sam very much and like they say I imagine, time heals all...

pittsburghgirl
April 28th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Yeah, a dollar is too much. I wanted the shock gernade but it went for $370.
$370.00 for the shock grenade-are people crazy?

gatebee
April 28th, 2005, 08:26 AM
thanks Myrth
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/15243296.jpg
real ship not just a fish-tale

nickatell
April 28th, 2005, 08:39 AM
An aspect of the relationship that I really wanted to see unfold was how they finally would have had them come together. I really have thought about this and staying true to character it has been difficult to figure out who would have made the first move and under what circumstances would it have happened. I guess like others again have said of course the regs would have to be out of the picture but for some reason I couldn't see Jack just pulling up in front of Sams house for a date. The only thing that I could come up with is that somehow a big argument would have engaged between them over what I'm not quite sure yet and through the heated battle one of them blurts out how they truly feel, which then of course leads to a warm embrace, staring into each others eyes, and then the most passionate kiss of all and not just holding each others faces, although that was great. OR

After a huge battle with the Goa'uald (never could remember how to spell that) Sam and Jack in different areas holidng their own in the battle, not knowing whether the other is alive or dead but fighting their heart out to save the planet...then when the smoke is settling spanning around we see nothing but dead bodies, jaffa, tokra, and tauri soldiers alike with Jack war torn searching for Daniel, Teal'c and of course Sam. After finding Daniel and Teal'c he starts desperately searching for Sam, with Sam just as war torn searching for him. When they finally see each other (no, no running towards each other in an open flower field) they slowly walk towards each other, staring their penetrating stare that they do so well and when they reach each other they stop (with a hint of D&C behind the force field) but this time they go for it and embrace, stare again, ending with the most passionate of passionate kisses. Okay corny maybe but I would like these two characters to come together being true to themselves as equals with all of their strengths, weaknesses, and passion. Did I just say that out loud, oh well just a thought....

pittsburghgirl
April 28th, 2005, 08:42 AM
NIckatell-either one of those scenarios would work for me-both seem to be pretty true to form.

shipper hannah
April 28th, 2005, 09:58 AM
An aspect of the relationship that I really wanted to see unfold was how they finally would have had them come together. I really have thought about this and staying true to character it has been difficult to figure out who would have made the first move and under what circumstances would it have happened. I guess like others again have said of course the regs would have to be out of the picture but for some reason I couldn't see Jack just pulling up in front of Sams house for a date. The only thing that I could come up with is that somehow a big argument would have engaged between them over what I'm not quite sure yet and through the heated battle one of them blurts out how they truly feel, which then of course leads to a warm embrace, staring into each others eyes, and then the most passionate kiss of all and not just holding each others faces, although that was great. OR

After a huge battle with the Goa'uald (never could remember how to spell that) Sam and Jack in different areas holidng their own in the battle, not knowing whether the other is alive or dead but fighting their heart out to save the planet...then when the smoke is settling spanning around we see nothing but dead bodies, jaffa, tokra, and tauri soldiers alike with Jack war torn searching for Daniel, Teal'c and of course Sam. After finding Daniel and Teal'c he starts desperately searching for Sam, with Sam just as war torn searching for him. When they finally see each other (no, no running towards each other in an open flower field) they slowly walk towards each other, staring their penetrating stare that they do so well and when they reach each other they stop (with a hint of D&C behind the force field) but this time they go for it and embrace, stare again, ending with the most passionate of passionate kisses. Okay corny maybe but I would like these two characters to come together being true to themselves as equals with all of their strengths, weaknesses, and passion. Did I just say that out loud, oh well just a thought....

me loves them both... :D

TameFarrar
April 28th, 2005, 10:29 AM
I can understand how some fans of Stargate may be able to tune in to Season 9 with BB if they were a fan of his before, and for some maybe Jack was not their favorite character, and maybe some are just stronger than me. Even if I could get passed Jack not being in Season 9 as a regular (I may have to sit down that last sentence took a lot out of me), the stories would still be by the same PTB that have purposely gone out of their way to string the shippers along for eight years to give us pieces that we litterly have to disect to figure out what we did receive, I just don't want to go through that again. I realize that my hope hasn't completely evaporated and as others have said all the news coming out for Season 9 is only helping me stay away. Boy are they going to be shoving Season 9 down our throats or what, now they will be giving us pieces of Season 9 while we are enjoying our Jack filled Stargate Monday line-ups during the month of May. Things have really changed, I remember dieing with anticipation for anything about Season 8 and we got almost nothing, (I should have taken the hint); but now with "the new, happy, energetic new team", I'll be running from the tv.

Tame don't worry I am really not depressed, the writing has been on the wall. Discussing it with my shipper friends both who agree and who don't just gives me the opportunity to get it all out. Obviously I like the relationship, or what could have been between Jack and Sam very much and like they say I imagine, time heals all...

(((((((((Nickatell)))))) :) I do definitely see your points and I think you conveyed many thoughts that people are having very eloquently.

There are many that just can't bring themselves to watch anymore and I completely understand that :)

I do want to share that there is an *Anti Season 9* thread and if your feelings are not *just* because of the ship then you might want to add your thoughts to the discussion over there. There is also a *Pro Season 9* thread for those that just want to discuss how much they want to see S9.

Thanks to all of you who are posting pictures of so many of our favorite moments from Sam & Jack's budding romance :D.... THAT is definitely what I needed to remind me why I so enjoyed those two characters and what I loved about coming here and sharing :D

ETA - links
Anti Season 9 - http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=5708

Pro Season 9 - http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=5707

lonely_star
April 28th, 2005, 10:41 AM
After a huge battle with the Goa'uald (never could remember how to spell that) Sam and Jack in different areas holidng their own in the battle, not knowing whether the other is alive or dead but fighting their heart out to save the planet...then when the smoke is settling spanning around we see nothing but dead bodies, jaffa, tokra, and tauri soldiers alike with Jack war torn searching for Daniel, Teal'c and of course Sam. After finding Daniel and Teal'c he starts desperately searching for Sam, with Sam just as war torn searching for him. When they finally see each other (no, no running towards each other in an open flower field) they slowly walk towards each other, staring their penetrating stare that they do so well and when they reach each other they stop (with a hint of D&C behind the force field) but this time they go for it and embrace, stare again, ending with the most passionate of passionate kisses. Okay corny maybe but I would like these two characters to come together being true to themselves as equals with all of their strengths, weaknesses, and passion. Did I just say that out loud, oh well just a thought....

funny this one reminds me Alias when Syd and Vaughn kiss after the total destruction of...what is it again ? SD6 ? can't remember...exactly the same..
personnally I'd go for the first one but as you say I really wanted to see how they finally go for it and the adult discussion...I start thinking will never have it...virtual season9 writters, I hope we'll have some adult discussion ;)

I remember reading somewhere I think it's caty, she doesn't understand how they could have waited so long before moving to a more serious relationship with, let's say more corporal things ;) I think it's possible, I mean, they've known each other professionnaly and friendly for a long time and have learnt to built barriers between them and built walls against their wishes...so now I assume they need time to destroy those same walls and barriers and need time to know each other in a more personnal way and to accept what was before unacceptable...but I agree it wouldn't be too long :D :p I think in a first time they'd hang out each other or let's say date but I think they need a little time to HMWS :D :D (I see the fishing scene more like a date or begining of a relation than a HMWS :D IMO)
anyway we should have had our BIG HONKIN' KISS :p :D

what I've always wanted to see too, is the way the others learn that they are an item...I mean i'd like to see their reactions, I don't know I think as a team it would be a cute and touching scene

as for the film, I'm doubting they'll do one someday. I hope it so much but i'm kind of afraid especially now that the team changes and the characters evolve...It would be stupid to make a movie now using the dynamic which existed a few years ago, It would be nonsense for all the people who watch the show on TV...I wish they did it years ago... :o

sg-1fanintn
April 28th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Good grief! It's been an hour since someone posted on this thread! That's almost unheard of here!! What's up, everyone?

I'm finishing up on lunch, and must return to RL soon. But I couldn't help but notice!

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 11:51 AM
With Gemini on Scifi tomorrow night, I have a question...

Wonder what Jack meant by "If Only!" in regards to there being another Sam (Replicarter)?

gatebee
April 28th, 2005, 11:57 AM
With Gemini on Scifi tomorrow night, I have a question...

Wonder what Jack meant by "If Only!" in regards to there being another Sam (Replicarter)?
that is a very good question. I also really never figured out what RDA meant saying that then looking at Sam.

Rogue
April 28th, 2005, 12:04 PM
With Gemini on Scifi tomorrow night, I have a question...

Wonder what Jack meant by "If Only!" in regards to there being another Sam (Replicarter)?

Well, for him it would be a dream come true to have two Sams. Twins!

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 12:18 PM
Wonder if he thought he could live out the typical male fantasy and have one at home waiting on him, but yet keep the all business, military partner too? I think he respects Sam as an officer enough to want both.

gatebee
April 28th, 2005, 12:23 PM
I think Jack is an honoroble gentleman and would treat Sam with the uttermost respect. Wasn't Sam at that time with spud and maybe that is what Jack was refering too that he had his own Sam and not have to share her with spud.just a thought

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 12:28 PM
I think Jack is an honoroble gentleman and would treat Sam with the uttermost respect. Wasn't Sam at that time with spud and maybe that is what Jack was refering too that he had his own Sam and not have to share her with spud.just a thought

You're absolutely right! I hadn't even thought about him wanting to have HIS OWN Sam!

Lord Zedd
April 28th, 2005, 03:19 PM
What's up, everyone?

I am sad :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( my grandfather is dying :( :( :( :( :( I can't be with him now. I came from the hospital, he is sleeping but he'll never wake up again, so he won't know that I was there for him :( :( :(

lonely_star
April 28th, 2005, 03:45 PM
I am sad :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( my grandfather is dying :( :( :( :( :( I can't be with him now. I came from the hospital, he is sleeping but he'll never wake up again, so he won't know that I was there for him :( :( :(

oh god :( , I'm so sorry for you...I'm sure he felt your presence and know how much you think of him...and he's sleeping, that's better for him, I assume he doesn't suffer...I hope you're gonna be alright and I wish you could do something...(((Anubis))) and your family is here, don't forget...

Cassie
April 28th, 2005, 03:49 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PoeticTragedy May All Your Shippy Dreams Come True!!!!!!!



((((((((((_Anubis)))))))))) I'm so Sorry to hear about that. They always now your even if you can't see it he knows your there. My prayers are with you and your family.

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 04:07 PM
(((((_Anubis)))))

I still remember when I lost my Grandfather. You and your family are in my prayers.

TameFarrar
April 28th, 2005, 05:16 PM
I am sad :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( my grandfather is dying :( :( :( :( :( I can't be with him now. I came from the hospital, he is sleeping but he'll never wake up again, so he won't know that I was there for him :( :( :(
(((((_Anubis))))))) my complete sympathies to you my friend!!! I will keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers!!

majorsal
April 28th, 2005, 06:12 PM
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about :eek: I think he knew it was someone else even if he doesn't say anything. I think he'd fought for her if he hadn't suspected that she had feelings for someone else. If he thought she did that because of her father or the house situation he would have wait or tried something else to change her mind...he's such :eek: :S :(

the part of your paragraph above, the sentence i bolded... it gave me shivers. it explains perfectly to me why pete didn't put up a fuss. he not only knew something was up with sam (he litereally said he saw it coming), he might have suspicioned it was because of another man. i didn't really think that until i read your sentence. what man isn't going to fight for the woman he loves - unless he knows there's someone else. it's a losing battle, and one he won't be able to change her mind about.

thanks, lonely star, you've found the missing piece of the puzzle for me. ;)


sally :D

majorsal
April 28th, 2005, 06:18 PM
I have decided to start watching JAG for the first time ( never seen it) ..Thank you (((gatebee))) to tell me about How JAG is worth watching ..so may just do that in the meantime


Caty:)

uh, caty, i used to watch Jag... and quit because their ship-antics are 10 TIMES WORSE than on sg1! :S


sally :)

majorsal
April 28th, 2005, 06:20 PM
(snip)

But what I think happened in Threads was that she realized of course that she didn't want to spend her life with Pete, she really did love Jack; and I think, she was ready to start giving serious consideration to major career changes based on whether or not Jack reciprocated her feelings...

what do you mean, uber?

sally :)

Oma-1
April 28th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Yeah, then mail the ashes back to TPTB.
Just make sure you vid it so we can all join in the fun ;)

Oma-1
April 28th, 2005, 07:11 PM
Finally caught up! It only took me 3 days and lots of error messages :p

There's been some fantastic discussion here over the last few days and I'm really sorry to have missed out. I started to give out jello to everybody and your fantastic posts, but I ran out. (Sorry to everyone I missed :( )

sueKay - the Virtual S9 sounds like a fantastic idea - I've PM'd you :)

I completely agree with Lynne - we need to see the moment they get together - how it happens, what they feel - and the rest of the SGC's reaction.

I'd love to see another Jaffa ep with Ishtar and Teal'c chasing down the missing goa'uld's and how the Jaffa Nation is coming along. There's gotta be teething problems and old rivalries cropping up.

I'd love to see Kinsey captured, maybe the Tok'ra could remove the symbiote and Kinsey could be sent mad :p He sooooo needs to get his comeuppance :D Jack would *love* that

More Ba'al is an absolute must!!! Rogue - back me up here ;) (he's still MINE though :p ) It's about time he got caught and the smirk wiped off his face - although not too quickly cos I'm rather attached to it :p )

The return of the Aschen sounds good - as long as Joe doesn't get to hit on Sam again - maybe he has escaped their evil clutches ans brings with him the woman who helped him escape :D *whistles...don't know where that idea came from...more whistles*

More characters ...

I'd like to see Thor again, Urgo maybe? He was great :p .....

Oma-1
April 28th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Please Please Please Please Please Please let's NOT have Laira turn up with a six year old - I don't think my stomach could stand that :eek:

girlgater
April 28th, 2005, 07:23 PM
Please Please Please Please Please Please let's NOT have Laira turn up with a six year old - I don't think my stomach could stand that :eek:

Noooooo! :eek:

lonely_star
April 28th, 2005, 07:25 PM
Please Please Please Please Please Please let's NOT have Laira turn up with a six year old - I don't think my stomach could stand that :eek:



:D :D :D :D LMAO :D :D :D :D
((((Oma))))
(no really... no kidding...no Laira!! :S )

Buc252
April 28th, 2005, 07:35 PM
Yeah yeah yeah ..We have to bring Jonas back for real , Janet in flasbacks or quantum mirror or AU episodes ..Please not too many shippy scenes between Sam and Jack in AU unless they are married and live together ... I'm sick off AU shippy scenes only but You chose which house?!!!All Sam and Jack shippy scenes mostly in real time please .

We need Cassie back a lot ..She could either be living with Sam and Jack or a house not far away ..with nice boyfriend ..She may even be a member of SGC another scientist for example ..or may be she decided to go to that military school that Sam visited one day and Cassie is now a cadet :)

and we want Jacob back in flasback..or AU too ..I would not mind Martouff because he was a great character really ..I wonder why they killed him off so early in the show .!!!


Caty:)

I was with you all the way until you got to Martouf. I couldn't *stand* that guy, and would be perfectly happy if I never had to see him again.

BTW, does everybody realize that TPTB manipulated you into liking Martouf?

They did!

My observation is that the percentage of time they have a Tok'ra speaking in his Goa'uld voice is proportional to how much they want or don't want you to like him or her. TPTB know that fans like Tok'ra who let their host do most of the talking, which is how Martouf was. How many times have we actually heard Lantash speak? Very rarely. Jacob also speaks a lot more than his symbiote, although we probably would have liked him anyway because he's Sam's dad.

Now consider the ones they don't want you to like: that spy with the long range communication device, Anise, Garshaw... Those seem to have their snake doing most of the talking, therebye making them less likable to the fans.

Am I crazy, or is this the truth? Think about it! ;)

majorsal
April 28th, 2005, 07:36 PM
WOW....I hadn't realized so many people were in the dole-drums over here. :(

I am really sorry that so many of the Shipper Family are so sad. I am not really sure how to lend a hand in cheering anyone up, especially when I guess I am one of those icky peoples that is really getting Jazzed about Season 9. As much as I would LOVE to see Sam & Jack have a more prominent role in the season I guess I have finally resigned myself to not having that and have gone on looking for other reasons to be excited about a show I have enjoyed for the last 8 years. Now don't take that as anything other me just explaining my level of *Upness* :D



i think part of the reason you're in such a good place is because you like the replacements. :p i'm not a fan of farscape, or the actors/characters from it. i'm not an anti fan of it/them, i just didn't give it a try. as much as i'm going to miss RDA, if i found out one of my other hunkcrushes were joining the show, and that an actress i really, really liked was going to be in a few eps at the beginning, i'd be handling this better too. you're lucky, tame. ;)


sally :)

ses110
April 28th, 2005, 07:43 PM
sueKay I was very upset with the never been happier comment as well.I would not be Happy if I was RDA or some of the other Actors that were on the Show.I understand about trying to drum up interest in the new Season but I though it was a lack of respect to the Actors who are no longer on the Show.Every time TPTB open there Mouth they insert there Foot in there Mouths.IMO all Great Shows have that one character that cannot be replaced and that's Jack.IMO it's wrong to try to continue on without the Star of the Show especially when the Show has been on for 8 Years.Caty made a Great point about the X-Files.As much as I would Love SG-1 to go on forever it not going to happen and when the Star of the Show wants to leave what better Time to end the Show.If Shows learn to end at the right Time it leaves open the chance for Movies.I think when a Show is on too long Fans get so tired of the Show they do not even want to see Movies.I hate to see that happen to SG-1.

pittsburghgirl
April 28th, 2005, 07:46 PM
I am sad :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( my grandfather is dying :( :( :( :( :( I can't be with him now. I came from the hospital, he is sleeping but he'll never wake up again, so he won't know that I was there for him :( :( :(
oh Anubis, I am so sorry-(((hugs))) trust that your grandpa knew you were there and that you love him. rosemary

pittsburghgirl
April 28th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Please Please Please Please Please Please let's NOT have Laira turn up with a six year old - I don't think my stomach could stand that :eek:
not gonna happen!

Oma-1
April 28th, 2005, 08:04 PM
I was with you all the way until you got to Martouf. I couldn't *stand* that guy, and would be perfectly happy if I never had to see him again.

BTW, does everybody realize that TPTB manipulated you into liking Martouf?



Not me they didn't ;)

I always thought he was kinda creepy. I thought his smile was too false and smarmy (plus he reminded me of someone I was at school with :p ). It was too weird a storyline with him being the mate of Jolinar - kinda incestuous almost. That's probably not the best word but I can't think of another one :o

Plus, I think you could be onto something with the voice thing ....

ses110
April 28th, 2005, 08:05 PM
Caty I agree.It really sounded like Sam and Jack were a couple.My Shipper Antena's went crazy when I hear that comment from Jack.It will also be interesting to see if Jack talks about Sam in the Season Premiere.I also do not think it's a great idea to bring in BB and CB from Farscape.I also though suekay was right about Sam Daniel or Teal'c being the lead.I would rather have Hailey or Jonas on the Team.I think most Fans would except this more than bringing in 2 Stars from another Scifi Show.I had no problem with DD wanting to work on SG-1 and I have no problem with BB and CB wanting to work on SG-1.I just think most Fans are more comfortable with established characters and it would not be such a Shock to the system.

gatebee
April 28th, 2005, 08:10 PM
I am sad :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( my grandfather is dying :( :( :( :( :( I can't be with him now. I came from the hospital, he is sleeping but he'll never wake up again, so he won't know that I was there for him :( :( :(
So sorry to hear that. My prayers are with you and your family.

Oma-1
April 28th, 2005, 08:10 PM
sueKay I was very upset with the never been happier comment as well.I would not be Happy if I was RDA or some of the other Actors that were on the Show.I understand about trying to drum up interest in the new Season but I though it was a lack of respect to the Actors who are no longer on the Show.Every time TPTB open there Mouth they insert there Foot in there Mouths.IMO all Great Shows have that one character that cannot be replaced and that's Jack.IMO it's wrong to try to continue on without the Star of the Show especially when the Show has been on for 8 Years.Caty made a Great point about the X-Files.As much as I would Love SG-1 to go on forever it not going to happen and when the Star of the Show wants to leave what better Time to end the Show.If Shows learn to end at the right Time it leaves open the chance for Movies.I think when a Show is on too long Fans get so tired of the Show they do not even want to see Movies.I hate to see that happen to SG-1.
I didn't like that comment either. It sounds too much like they are trying to distance themselves from the previous 8 seasons. But then as they're bringing back old guest stars, it seems kinda contradictory ....

I think TN (sg-1fanintn is too hard to type this late :p) had it right when she was talking about manipulating the publicity. They're just trying to drum up interest for S9 as best they can an get us talking. Pretty successful in the talking bit :p

But I wouldn't take it too seriously. Anything could still happen - and will in the Virtual S9 :D

majorsal
April 28th, 2005, 08:13 PM
Just to give you a reference for that cap (hey it might give you some hope) I was watching some of the director's commentaries from the DVDs at the time and either Peter or Martin were explaining how they establish relationships on screen with camera shots and body positioning.

My conclusion out of that ep was that they are together... two reasons... hand pr0n and that shot there. In their terms film wise.. that screams that Jack & Sam are together.

Also I'd never seen them in each other's personal space like that without some drastic reason before... interesting neh?

I took the whole new level of familiarity from Sam & Jack in the beginning of Moebius as evidence of a new relationship. But I wanna see the big honkin kiss now!

And you just reminded me... shippiest line ever (ok maybe not but it's a great clue).. "SHE wouldn't let me go back and watch the world series".

Jack was treating her like a girlfriend throughout that whole sequence.. right up to the time shift.

:D

hi, Myrth,

the stuff you have in spoilers tags: was that your opinion, or what peter or martin said? or a combo of both? and if it wasn't peter's or martin's, what exactly did they say about establishing relationships with camera shots and body positioning?

sally :)

majorsal
April 28th, 2005, 08:46 PM
Ugh! They got the rose that the Spudster gave Sam in Chimera up for auction on Ebay.

THE rose, or a pic of it? 'cause, uh, like, that rose would be dead by now. :p


sally :)

Myrth
April 28th, 2005, 09:10 PM
Hi Sally :)

That was my opinion drawn from and interpreting listening to alot of the commentaries from seasons 4 -7 (dang I wish they had em for 1-3).

Without going back and watching/listening to them again it's tough to give you specifics on where I got it from, but two that stand out in my mind as addressing how they use camera shots to establish the relationships on screen are "Divide & Conquer" and "Beneath The Surface".
Side note: How in love with Amanda is Peter Deluise!?? Not that I blame him :D
There are others but I'd have to watch them again as I said.

I see a lot of lines to read between in the ship and I take little of what happens on screen at face value. I highly recommend listening to the audio commentaries.. you find out some surprising stuff and get to enjoy things like Peter Woeste trying to explain the ship to the set decorators... at least I think it was Peter Woeste.. one of those guys!

Can't wait for the season 8 Dvds....

:D



hi, Myrth,

the stuff you have in spoilers tags: was that your opinion, or what peter or martin said? or a combo of both? and if it wasn't peter's or martin's, what exactly did they say about establishing relationships with camera shots and body positioning?

sally :)

melpomene
April 28th, 2005, 10:31 PM
Hi Sally :)

That was my opinion drawn from and interpreting listening to alot of the commentaries from seasons 4 -7 (dang I wish they had em for 1-3).

Without going back and watching/listening to them again it's tough to give you specifics on where I got it from, but two that stand out in my mind as addressing how they use camera shots to establish the relationships on screen are "Divide & Conquer" and "Beneath The Surface".
Side note: How in love with Amanda is Peter Deluise!?? Not that I blame him :D
There are others but I'd have to watch them again as I said.

I see a lot of lines to read between in the ship and I take little of what happens on screen at face value. I highly recommend listening to the audio commentaries.. you find out some surprising stuff and get to enjoy things like Peter Woeste trying to explain the ship to the set decorators... at least I think it was Peter Woeste.. one of those guys!

Can't wait for the season 8 Dvds....

:D


Season 8 on DVD (sighs dreamily) talk about celebration. It'll be bigger than the party on Abydos after Ra was defeated! :)

Rogue
April 29th, 2005, 06:01 AM
THE rose, or a pic of it? 'cause, uh, like, that rose would be dead by now. :p


sally :)

It is the rose, it is fake. Just like their relationship.

girlgater
April 29th, 2005, 06:06 AM
It is the rose, it is fake. Just like their relationship.

An artificial rose? They used an artificial rose? Wow, the symbolism in that alone speaks volumes to me. Now Jack...he would use real flowers. ;)

sueKay
April 29th, 2005, 06:48 AM
(((((_Anubis))))))

My thoughts are with you and your family. I'm sure that you're grandfather knew that you were there. I remember how devastating it was when I lost my grandparents, so if you need to talk, please PM me.

sueKay
April 29th, 2005, 06:53 AM
Well...there's been another computer hold up...

1. They found 60 viruses
2. In one program alone, there was 248 pieces of Spyware...so I'm going to have words with the guy who supposedly got rid of it for me.
3. My CD burner was completely broken with rust :eek: so I need to talk to the guy I got the computer off of.
4. A quarter of my hard disk has apparently been unusable since I got my computer, and about half of the program files are corrupted. The guy who's repairing the computer is going to try and fix as many of the files as he can.

I think I may get my compute back in the late evening, but I'm not too sure.

With the virtual season...

ROLLCALL

ADD YOUR NAME

suekay
mishy mo
LOL4JACK
Oma-1
Myrth
PittburghGirl

...and I'm sure I'm missing people...

ADD YOUR NAME TO THE LIST PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

gatebee
April 29th, 2005, 07:07 AM
Well...there's been another computer hold up...

1. They found 60 viruses
2. In one program alone, there was 248 pieces of Spyware...so I'm going to have words with the guy who supposedly got rid of it for me.
3. My CD burner was completely broken with rust :eek: so I need to talk to the guy I got the computer off of.
4. A quarter of my hard disk has apparently been unusable since I got my computer, and about half of the program files are corrupted. The guy who's repairing the computer is going to try and fix as many of the files as he can.

I think I may get my compute back in the late evening, but I'm not too sure.

With the virtual season...

ROLLCALL

ADD YOUR NAME

suekay
mishy mo
LOL4JACK
Oma-1
Myrth
PittburghGirl
Gatebee
...and I'm sure I'm missing people...

ADD YOUR NAME TO THE LIST PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
added myself SueKay....hope your computer will be ok to start shipping again.