Originally posted by JenniferJF
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Every so slightly OT on SGU:Air novelizations:
I'd actually had a transcript of that bit for some time and chosen not to share it...
But.. what you said. It's likely not even written by RCC and so is absolutely non reflective of 'reality' in the Stargate universe. That said, I did find it interesting based on two possibilities.
The first one is that it was made up by Swallow (the author) himself because he felt the scene was missing a moment when Jack (who on the surface, and most of those authors to include Swallow aren't really *fans* let alone paying close attention to Sam/Jack, appears to be nothing more than Sam's good friend) asks her how she's doing. Of course, given what we believe to be true (and have a large and growing body of evidence to support that belief), that they've actually been a couple in one way or the other for years, it makes sense he wouldn't ask - he sees her, *knows* she's okay, and doesn't even need to ask. They've actually reached a level of intimacy where that sort of 'small talk' is unnecessary. But not realizing that, Swallow adds it in because, without that missing key, it doesn't make sense that he doesn't ask. Similarly, he has Sam say 'sir' not even noticing she doesn't say it in the rest of the scene and, even if he had, he wouldn't have been aware of the significance of it in showing a greater intimacy between the two.
The second possibility is that it *was* in the original script but taken out during the filming. This idea also makes room for the idea that there were actually more 'sirs' in the original script which were also taken out during the filming because they didn't 'fit'. When Swallow kept in that last exchange he simply *didn't* take out the final 'sir'.
There are two possible reasons for this. The first is that someone somewhere in the process between script and screen realized it didn't fit with the backstory they'd been basing Sam and Jack on for years and so it was removed. The second is that, given Sam's looking straight at the screen and asking where the Icarus crew was ended the episode, that was considered a better dramatic beat to end Part One on and so the final exchange was removed. Either way, the last exchange doesn't match with the rest in which she doesn't say 'sir', which means someone possibly still went and removed the 'sirs' from the rest of the scene
And, anyway you look at it, 'old friend' is *definitely* added by Swallow himself as a way of avoiding saying "Colonel Carter" or "Sam" or "her" again in the writing process and is certainly insignificant in view of the status of 'the ship'
Like I said, I've seen this before and these comments are based in part on a convo I've had elsewhere with someone on this topic before...
Spoiler:
I'd actually had a transcript of that bit for some time and chosen not to share it...
But.. what you said. It's likely not even written by RCC and so is absolutely non reflective of 'reality' in the Stargate universe. That said, I did find it interesting based on two possibilities.
The first one is that it was made up by Swallow (the author) himself because he felt the scene was missing a moment when Jack (who on the surface, and most of those authors to include Swallow aren't really *fans* let alone paying close attention to Sam/Jack, appears to be nothing more than Sam's good friend) asks her how she's doing. Of course, given what we believe to be true (and have a large and growing body of evidence to support that belief), that they've actually been a couple in one way or the other for years, it makes sense he wouldn't ask - he sees her, *knows* she's okay, and doesn't even need to ask. They've actually reached a level of intimacy where that sort of 'small talk' is unnecessary. But not realizing that, Swallow adds it in because, without that missing key, it doesn't make sense that he doesn't ask. Similarly, he has Sam say 'sir' not even noticing she doesn't say it in the rest of the scene and, even if he had, he wouldn't have been aware of the significance of it in showing a greater intimacy between the two.
The second possibility is that it *was* in the original script but taken out during the filming. This idea also makes room for the idea that there were actually more 'sirs' in the original script which were also taken out during the filming because they didn't 'fit'. When Swallow kept in that last exchange he simply *didn't* take out the final 'sir'.
There are two possible reasons for this. The first is that someone somewhere in the process between script and screen realized it didn't fit with the backstory they'd been basing Sam and Jack on for years and so it was removed. The second is that, given Sam's looking straight at the screen and asking where the Icarus crew was ended the episode, that was considered a better dramatic beat to end Part One on and so the final exchange was removed. Either way, the last exchange doesn't match with the rest in which she doesn't say 'sir', which means someone possibly still went and removed the 'sirs' from the rest of the scene
And, anyway you look at it, 'old friend' is *definitely* added by Swallow himself as a way of avoiding saying "Colonel Carter" or "Sam" or "her" again in the writing process and is certainly insignificant in view of the status of 'the ship'
Like I said, I've seen this before and these comments are based in part on a convo I've had elsewhere with someone on this topic before...
Originally posted by Cagranosalis
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Air transcript:
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So much has already been said but, yeah, I am in the camp of "sowhat". It was entirely the opinion of the author. If an author doesn't see ship they won't write it there. I think the Sir was perfectly ok in context of their working relationship. And she can still be his old friend and his lover.
Then again, I'm one of those who had never really cared much for the idea of SGU having anything at al to do with Sam/Jack ship, so to me none of it is really relevant.
Then again, I'm one of those who had never really cared much for the idea of SGU having anything at al to do with Sam/Jack ship, so to me none of it is really relevant.
Spoiler:
My rant was more tongue in cheek LOL Sort of a mock shipper outrage. Like Amanda I don't consider books canon (**insert flashback to my Star Trek Voyager days**). And yes of course they can be old friends and lovers LOL I just prefer the emphasis on lover - but Cags you're exactly right, it's the opinion of the author.
"Sir" is a perfectly acceptable term given their working relationship. While on duty that's the correct address for a superior officer (even if you see him in his skivvies later on that night LOL). What's great is that she doesn't "sir" him to death anymore.
SO. To sum up my position: Book: not canon. Not concerned. Tongue in cheek. Jack and Sam nekkid... whoa... er... :: cough cough ::
"Sir" is a perfectly acceptable term given their working relationship. While on duty that's the correct address for a superior officer (even if you see him in his skivvies later on that night LOL). What's great is that she doesn't "sir" him to death anymore.
SO. To sum up my position: Book: not canon. Not concerned. Tongue in cheek. Jack and Sam nekkid... whoa... er... :: cough cough ::
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