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April 26th, 2004, 02:57 PM
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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#006699"><B>THE TORMENT OF TANTALUS</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 110</FONT>
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SG-1 tracks down Catherine Langford's fiance, who took the first Stargate trip in 1945, and discovers an ancient meeting hall that may hold the secrets of the universe itself.

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Captain Amazing
May 21st, 2004, 05:01 AM
Just watched the episode for the first time last night!

What a terrific episode!

A forgotten gem.

omnian
May 21st, 2004, 12:00 PM
I wonder if they'll ever revisit this planet to get the 'book'......I imagine it could be translated seeing as they could ask Thor or someone about it. Or even go to the Nox!

USS Thunderchild
May 22nd, 2004, 11:18 AM
This is the one episode that I've never seen. :( Anyone know where I can download it?

Phil

Asgard-VA
May 22nd, 2004, 01:16 PM
This is the one episode that I've never seen. :( Anyone know where I can download it?

Phil

Oh my! Not sure where to find it online (don't think I want to know either since it's probably not legal), but you have GOT TO see it! There are a ton of references from this episode that pop up later in the series.

I just checked scifi.com's page and it looks like it's not going to be on again until at least July. Bummer. Hope you don't have to wait that long to find it.

SG_Mike
June 17th, 2004, 12:20 PM
This was an interesting twist to add these races to the mix. And then to later on, meet them. Still would love to see what the Furlings look like!!

Crazedwraith
June 17th, 2004, 12:22 PM
This was an interesting twist to add these races to the mix. And then to later on, meet them. Still would love to see what the Furlings look like!!
Ewoks, excatly like Ewoks, only with big honking space guns.

There you go Furlings=Ewoks with added big honking space guns.

Newbie
June 18th, 2004, 01:22 AM
This was really interesting...becuase we go to know that the gate was open before and it opened up the four race thingy ;) whatever happened to the lady, daughter of the guy who found the gate, and her 'friend' ???
And did anyone form SGC asked Thor about that place?

jtg
June 22nd, 2004, 04:47 PM
I loved this ep, one of my favorite.

I'd like to see Ernest and Cathryn return in a future ep.

Also, now that the Prometheus is active, it occurs to me that they could simply fly there and go to the library with the "meaning of life stuff". They could take Ernest with them (if the actor who played him is still alive, fit and willing). After all, Ernest spent many years there, and has likely explored much of the surrounding area for many miles around.

The Stargate likely fell into the sea, but I claim that the rest of castle, including the library device, is further "inland" and is still there to explore.

Plus, they could take some cranes and dig the gate out of the sea and set it up again further back so it won't fall in as quickly again, assuming they can fix the problem of the broken DHD, or make another, like with the Earth made DHD. They might also take a DHD from a less valuable planet--like on a unhabitable world, and move it to Heliopolisis.

All in all, I loved this ep, and I think there's potential for a spinoff ep in season 9 or beyond :D

jtg :rolleyes:

ABYDOSCITY2
June 25th, 2004, 08:18 AM
I love this eposode. It cathches up with Catharine. It makes a good point about about true love. Jack is more sweet, friendly, and less guadred than he usually is. The part where he askes Catherine for a hug is especiallly sweet.

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 03:43 AM
Good episode, with the hilarious reactions to a naked old man suddenly appearing. :D

greytop
July 7th, 2004, 12:54 PM
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Also, now that the Prometheus is active, it occurs to me that they could simply fly there and go to the library with the "meaning of life stuff". They could take Ernest with them (if the actor who played him is still alive, fit and willing). After all, Ernest spent many years there, and has likely explored much of the surrounding area for many miles around.
jtg :rolleyes:

They would have to get another actor to play the older Dr. Littlefield. Keene Curtiss, who played him, died in 2002.

But it would be neat if they had the man who the young Dr. Littlefield (forgot his real name at the moment but he plays Dr. Beckett in SA) to put on the aging makeup and play him.

DownFallAngel
July 7th, 2004, 01:36 PM
I would love for the SG teams to revisit this planet and pick up the book. Along with the four tablets. Maybe we could decypher what the ancient and asgard were talking about.

AgentX
July 7th, 2004, 04:54 PM
This is my favourite episode of Season One. It's just a terrific episode allround, I too wish they would revisit the planet sometime.

rihannsu
July 8th, 2004, 10:45 AM
When Daniel motions for him to turn around and see Catherine for the first time, I tear up.

Then he looks at her and makes a "hump!" noise. And her response is something like "Fifty years and all I get is "hump!" That jump from sentimental to humor is so well done.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 07:29 PM
The room with the element hologram is cool. Atlantis has something similar. We get to see only 3 of the 4 languages as the camera pans for across the room. 2 of them can easily be identified as Asgard and Ancient. The third could be either Nox or Furlings.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 06:04 PM
Does that device look the one in "The First Commandment"?

aAnubiSs
July 15th, 2004, 06:06 PM
They both had an red/orange ball...thingy in the middle if that's what you mean :)

greytop
July 15th, 2004, 07:18 PM
They both had an red/orange ball...thingy in the middle if that's what you mean :)
I know what you mean. It looked like a DHD without the symbols around it.

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 10:41 AM
It could indicate Ancient design.

aAnubiSs
July 16th, 2004, 11:12 AM
I'm sure it's ancient.

VirtualCLD
July 16th, 2004, 11:50 AM
Possible Spoilers











The stargate has surived many disastors before, and has been opened while underwater and under rock. Why then, did this one fail to open when it collapsed into the nearby ocean?

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 07:53 PM
The room with the element hologram is cool. Atlantis has something similar. We get to see only 3 of the 4 languages as the camera pans for across the room. 2 of them can easily be identified as Asgard and Ancient. The third could be either Nox or Furlings.


are u refering to the meeting room when u say that atlantis has something similar if so when did u see and and can u tell me where,

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 07:54 PM
In atlantis they did not have a meeting room with the four tablets.

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 07:54 PM
oh yeah i forgot to add that this is one of my favorite stargate episodes of all tiem becasue the meanign of life idea really brought me into it the mysterous aspect of potential philsophical conclusions really kept me on the edge of my seat

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 07:55 PM
There was definately not four tablets inside the anciet's atlantis, so far.

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 07:55 PM
They better go back for it in season 8 or I WILL BE FOREVER unsatisfied

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 07:56 PM
I really want them to go back and get the book and the four tablets.

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 08:21 PM
I really want them to go back and get the book and the four tablets.

I am glad that someone else feels for the cause of returing and retriving them. .

Bagpuss
July 19th, 2004, 02:51 AM
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Add me to the list,as I wish the SGC could send back a recovery team using the Prometheus and mini-subs. Perhaps they could retrieve the lost info that way? Better still,given the right weather conditions,they could trace and recover all, or most, pieces of the Heliopolis Gate and DHD.If the pieces could be reassembled,the SGC would have a handy "Spare" Gate again .....

(Actually a better potential shortcut, would be to borrow Thor and an Asgard ship,to do the job. That way, hopefully, Thor could beam everything up ! ;) )

Ancient
July 19th, 2004, 06:06 PM
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Add me to the list,as I wish the SGC could send back a recovery team using the Prometheus and mini-subs. Perhaps they could retrieve the lost info that way? Better still,given the right weather conditions,they could trace and recover all, or most, pieces of the Heliopolis Gate and DHD.If the pieces could be reassembled,the SGC would have a handy "Spare" Gate again .....

(Actually a better potential shortcut, would be to borrow Thor and an Asgard ship,to do the job. That way, hopefully, Thor could beam everything up ! ;) )
thats perfect I love it, welcome to the list of those who wish to return to Heliopis :-
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Selmak
July 19th, 2004, 09:02 PM
You can add me to that list too... It's a great idea.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 05:58 PM
That translation device reminds me of the DHD... that red bulb thing.

Major Fischer
August 16th, 2004, 10:24 PM
Eh, I'd like them to go back, but I also like the idea that the meaning of life stuff is just out of reach.

I am a big fan of this episode because I love Catherine as a character and wish we saw more of her. That and the epsiode is priceless just for the look on Carter's face when she first sees Ernest :D

Wyrminarrd
August 16th, 2004, 10:30 PM
Now sending the ship there would be a cool idea, I know Daniel would go ape at a chance like that.

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 08:07 AM
OMG I loved this ep, ok, not have SFX but I liked the story and meeting place. I’m even painting my room black and having gold writing on all 4 walls for each race, twill be cool.

zats
September 19th, 2004, 07:59 PM
I never remember how much I like this one until I see it again. Now that we have a ship (or ships, sometimes), SG-1 ought to head back to P3-Whatever and see if anything's left. Now that we've met the glowy-peoples and the Asgaard, Danny might get a better shot at translating the element-writing. Another great idea that went to the Pit of Plot Ideas in the Sky. Drat.

I sense another fic. Must add to To-Do list.

Pete
September 28th, 2004, 10:43 AM
This is the one episode that I've never seen. :( Anyone know where I can download it?

Phil
You've never seen it. Ohh man! It rocks.

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 12:37 PM
I'll say! discovering that the Stargate was actually activated in the nineteen forties, I was as floored as Daniel was!

That device is definitely Ancient technology. Maybe combined a little bit with some of the other tchnology, but it would stand to reason that the Ancients built it since they were the most advanced of the four races. :cool:

Axle
September 28th, 2004, 12:43 PM
That would explain why the Stargate was stored upright in the ep 1969. I think either Gateworld or another place questioned that.

Liv
October 4th, 2004, 02:12 PM
Good episode, with the hilarious reactions to a naked old man suddenly appearing. :D
That was very funny, Sam in particular with her "Oh, boy" and then quickly stepping sideways and out of the frame. :D

Love this episode, especially as it is from the first season and I still think it stands up against the competition of some of the greatest episodes in the following seasons.

Jawdropping moment: watching Earnest step through the gate for the first time back in the day, complete with the clunky diving equipment and the rope.

Plus, Paul McGillion, whom I knew to look out for this time around, was interesting as young Earnest. :cool:

I felt so sorry for Earnest, having spent so many years all alone. And the following exchange between him and Catherine was just so sad:

Earnest: "Forgave me. You forgave me long ago."
Catherine: "No. I didn't."

mishy_mo
October 4th, 2004, 02:20 PM
That was very funny, Sam in particular with her "Oh, boy" and then quickly stepping sideways and out of the frame. :D

Love this episode, especially as it is from the first season and I still think it stands up against the competition of some of the greatest episodes in the following seasons.

Jawdropping moment: watching Earnest step through the gate for the first time back in the day, complete with the clunky diving equipment and the rope.

Plus, Paul McGillion, whom I knew to look out for this time around, was interesting as young Earnest. :cool:

I felt so sorry for Earnest, having spent so many years all alone. And the following exchange between him and Catherine was just so sad:

Earnest: "Forgave me. You forgave me long ago."
Catherine: "No. I didn't."

yeah this ep was really sad, i think it managed to cover a lot of emotions as well as get some great si-fi in there

i think it was one of the producers that said that this episode (and everything about it AKA meaning f life stuff) is why they started making the series

season 7 now that earth has it's own ship prometheus do'ya think they might return to the planet to check it out??

Daniel's_twin
October 4th, 2004, 04:54 PM
season 7 now that earth has it's own ship prometheus do'ya think they might return to the planet to check it out??


Not for a while. The hyperdrive engines that we currently have are very unstable. :cool:

Major Fischer
October 4th, 2004, 05:03 PM
Not for a while. The hyperdrive engines that we currently have are very unstable. :cool:

Not to mention that the vessel (or vessels) are really earth defense platforms...

Gorthaur
October 4th, 2004, 06:36 PM
I would like them to go back just to see what daniel says the asgrad inscription says even if i do know what it really says.
(chech out http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=2024)

In fifth race daneil says he was able to translate the ancient writing wih jacks help. so i would also like to see that.

JediTrilobite
October 11th, 2004, 07:17 AM
Of course, why would they need to return if only to look at the text? Wouldn't they have recorded everything already?

greytop
October 11th, 2004, 12:35 PM
Of course, why would they need to return if only to look at the text? Wouldn't they have recorded everything already?
They need to go back and retrieve the book in the pestial. It was a hologram of sorts. Although we only saw two pages, there probably is a lot more. Daniel had to leave before he even got started.

Gorthaur
October 11th, 2004, 05:25 PM
I don't think he had his camara at the time or it was off i don't know, but he never tried or at least said anything about the other three writings. he did get the ancient writing but they never told us what that said either.

greytop
October 11th, 2004, 07:42 PM
I don't think he had his camara at the time or it was off i don't know, but he never tried or at least said anything about the other three writings. he did get the ancient writing but they never told us what that said either.
He had a camera at least. In Fifth Race, there were pictures of the writing on the walls from the four races.

Elite Anubis Guard
October 17th, 2004, 02:06 AM
well just watched this again last night on the dvd from my dvd mag. brill episode, love how it sets up alot of important stuff for the rest of the series!

WraithWarrior
November 15th, 2004, 03:43 AM
Like the star book thingy. Daniel, yet again was funny how he would have stayed to study it because of the benefit for Earth even though he would have died and not been able to tell anyone. Pointless i think.

Thank god for Jack saving him

Elite Anubis Guard
November 15th, 2004, 09:17 AM
was more for his benefit, for the sake of knowing it!

.:Lemon:.
November 15th, 2004, 01:02 PM
That was very funny, Sam in particular with her "Oh, boy" and then quickly stepping sideways and out of the frame. :D

I was in hysterics the first time I saw that! And its not really that funny! :D

I liked this episode. One of the better season 1 eps. Some nice character interaction going on- especially between Ernest and Catherine. Oh and I love the bit between Teal'c and Jack (We have a stargate, we need a DHD, or whatever he says!) Great line!

Lord Zedd
November 16th, 2004, 12:06 PM
I watched this episode again yesterday.I haven't seen this episode in years.Good episode where we find about the 4 races :D I reallly like this episode and was really fun to see it again

TechnoWraith
November 22nd, 2004, 06:15 PM
Great Episode. Since I've started watching all my Stargate DVD's again (by season) I recently watched this episode two days ago.

I was curious:

Does anyone know who the four races were that wrote the "book?" Or at least the four races that convened at the supposed "meeting room" (the room where the "book" was found)? I'm guessing Asgard, Ancients and maybe the Nox. Who the other race is I have no clue. Any ideas anyone?

Also, about returning to the planet. Possible spoiler next, so tread carefully if you don't want to see it. SG-1 tried to return right away, but the gate wouldn't connect. General Hammond made the assumption that the "fortress" (what to call the place?) was gone since the gate didn't connect. So I'm guessing that the SGC assumes there's no reason to return, since they're guessing the "book" was destroyed.

Personally, I was curious to see what the "book" had to say, and hope (against the odds) that some SG team will make their way to the planet (by ship since the Stargate is out of the question) and see about retrieving the "book".

Erik Pasternak
November 22nd, 2004, 06:27 PM
The other race was the Furlings (as we found out in "The Fifth Race.") BTW, just so you know, if you are posting in an episode thread, you don't need a spoiler warning when talking about that episode. :)

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bad_ronald
January 18th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Though I normally don't like discussing minor things that seem to contradict a "rule" of stargate travel... I noticed that when the young Dr. Littlefield goes through the gate at the beginning of the episode, the tube that runs from his air-tight suit to what I'd assume was a source of oxygen is severed. Dr. Littlefield, the tube running from his suit to the source of oxygen, and the source of oxygen itself is certainly a discreet unit in so much as, say, a hypothetical ship that could travel through the gate is ;). Since we've learned (Spoiler is from Atlantis - 38 Minutes) that the Stargate will only transfer matter in discreet units, shouldn't Dr. Littlefield have been killed (i.e. not re-materialized)? A minor nitpick indeed, but it is noteworthy.

Daniel's_twin
January 18th, 2005, 07:09 AM
You also kinda have to remember that this was only their first season, so some inconsistencies are gonna happen. :cool:

ShimmeringStar
January 22nd, 2005, 05:32 PM
Eh, I'd like them to go back, but I also like the idea that the meaning of life stuff is just out of reach.
I agree. Otherwise there’d be no story. Just end of story.

ShimmeringStar
January 22nd, 2005, 05:33 PM
Makes one wonder if Ernest hadn’t been there to show Daniel what a wasted life looked like, if Daniel would have tried to camp out in the hall for the rest of his life to translate that ‘meaning of life stuff.’

I liked it when Jack said “Daniel, before your head explodes, may I remind that we've got more important things to deal with right now?” when Danny was like a kid in a candy store thinking of all the knowledge that the hall contained. :)

Sha're
February 7th, 2005, 03:28 PM
I agree that the interaction in this episode between Ernest and Catherine is lovely. Very touching.
Such a temptation for Daniel, to stay and learn more about the book. And yet to see what had happened to Ernest...
This episode still stands up IMO

kelmah
February 8th, 2005, 09:54 AM
Kinda a disapointment that they never really revisit what happens with Catherine and Ernest, tho.

SmartFox
February 18th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Does that device look the one in "The First Commandment"?

It did especially when the orange light went up. Just like it.

Also if we went back which would be cool we could learn how to write and read the other languages. We already know Ancient and could use it as a translator. Which gets me wondering this must have been very early in the meetings of these foour races because a race as intelligent as the Ancients could pretty easily translate different languages.

hibernate
February 19th, 2005, 05:57 AM
Kinda a disapointment that they never really revisit what happens with Catherine and Ernest, tho.

Sadly, the actor playing Ernest(Keene Curtis) died in 2002 from complications from Alzheimer's disease and last acted in 1998. 'The Torment of Tantalus" was filmed in 97.

In the episode 119, "THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD" while Daniel is in the alternate reality, he says to the alternate reality Catherine, "you are retired, you are suppose to at home, living happilly ever after with Ernest ..."

We can only imagine the conversations he may of had with Daniel when they came back to earth. At least Daniel had his notebook and probably video taped the whole debriefing :)

This was also the last episode that the actress playing Catherine(Elizabeth Hoffman) was seen in the series as well.

Spoiler for season 8 819 moebius
In the season finale of Moebius, you dont see Catherine, but Daniel attends her funeral.

SmartFox
February 21st, 2005, 11:57 PM
Ok i just watched the Nox for the first time and they picked up english in under a hour. Why would they need that translator thing if they could pick up a language so easily?

hermajesty
March 3rd, 2005, 12:36 PM
I really like the character of Katherine Langford. She reminds me of my granny :) . I think she's like an honary granny to Jack, Sam and Daniel too.

The first scene of this episode was fascinating - footage of the stargate in 1945! And the scene at Katherine's house was great too.

But the team can't return to the planet, because then they would know the meaning of life. Which would be very difficult for the writers, who don't know the meaning of life!

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 07:05 PM
This episode was pretty cool, I just don't like seeing old naked people

greytop
March 9th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Like the scene in the beginning before they went to Ernest's Planet.

Langford to Teal'c: You speak?
Teal'c: When it's appropeate (sp).

SmartFox
March 9th, 2005, 10:16 PM
This episode was pretty cool, I just don't like seeing old naked people

All you see is his chest. Stargate has shown worse. Like in the COTG. Of course that orignally showed on ShowTime so its a different story. But still you don't see anything.

Aris Boch
March 10th, 2005, 01:36 AM
Just watched Torment of Tantalus for the first time in a LONG time. It's a really great ep, one of the best in the first season. Robert .C. Cooper did a great job with it and really showed an indication of his ability.

irishsoul19
March 10th, 2005, 02:57 AM
definitely one of my favorite episodes ever. It just gives such a grand scope to the universe with all the overlapping races. I kinda wish they would do more to follow up on that alliance in some later storylines though. :D

zats
March 12th, 2005, 03:57 PM
Just watched Torment of Tantalus for the first time in a LONG time. It's a really great ep, one of the best in the first season. Robert .C. Cooper did a great job with it and really showed an indication of his ability.
I don't agree with all the scripts compiled in the 'Essential Scripts' book--c'mon, 'Wormhole X-Treme' is not essential--but I'm glad this one is in. Artistically and as plotlines go, it was one of the best of the season. It's a pity that it so often is overlooked as a 'good' episode. After all, it is the one where we first got solid proof of the Ancients, of the Nox, the Asgaard...and the Furlings, although that particular group hasn't played a large role in the series to date.

couchpotatergater
March 22nd, 2005, 01:38 PM
I've started re-watching my DVDs from the beginning, & I'd forgotten what a great ep this was. I really enjoyed it. Fantastic, proper SG1 :cool:

zats
March 22nd, 2005, 06:55 PM
Just when I think that I'm happy with S8, I go back and take a look at the DVDs. I've got to stop doing that.

hungrytrash
June 12th, 2005, 05:18 PM
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QuiGonJohn
June 13th, 2005, 06:24 AM
I agree with all who really liked this episode. A lot of interesting stuff, about the early attempts as using the Stargate, the device, Daniel, Ernest, etc.

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
June 22nd, 2005, 08:26 AM
good episode... i think that the best part was that they figure out what the universal language would be, broken down into the universes most basic elements...amazing...

zats
June 29th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Yeah, it's a great idea--if you don't mind memorizing 146 'letters' :)

Daniel's_twin
June 30th, 2005, 07:05 AM
And then figuring out how they form into a written language that you could translate. As Daniel said (and was confirmed by Ernest) It would take (more than) a lifetime. :cool:

1DanielForMe
August 2nd, 2005, 04:30 AM
This episode is fantastic, one of my top ten favourites, perhaps even top five.
I don't know what else to say about it that hasn't already been said.

Metarock Sam
August 23rd, 2005, 12:17 PM
I just rewatched this episode today and I noticed something young Ernest is played by none other than Paul Mcgillion aka Carson Beckett from Atlantis. He looks alot thinner then than he does now tho :D . This is also in my top ten episodes . Definatly my favourte Season 1 episode.

Perriman33
August 24th, 2005, 01:07 AM
^No way!Cool! :) This has to be one of my all time favourites, it was a good story with old ernest being played very well. You can almost feel the emotion on the poor old buggers face when he sees people for the first time in decades. It was nice to have an episode where we can see that the universe doesn't revolve around earth, where other races met up for a gossip and a cuppa.
This is where season one differs from all the others, where we are the newcomers to the galaxy and evreryone else seems to be more advanced. I should think a lot more thought has to go into races that are beyond us in technology whereas in later seasons they seem to have got a history book out and picked an era at random with most of the other races being less advanced. :(
I wonder if the building that ernest was in, originally had a shield like Atlantis as it was getting a bit battered bt the elements.
Still the episode has got to be in my top five. :D

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 01:47 AM
^^yse i noticed that a few weeks ago, strange why TPTB bring back actors in different roles, although by the time Atlantis came around everone would have forgotten or so they hoped

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 09:41 PM
****!!!! GREAT Daniel Jackson by Michael Shanks.........exactly what James Spader might do!

MiniHerc
November 22nd, 2005, 05:36 PM
Yes i just watched that episode last night and when i was watching catherine's father and ernest talking... i was thinking "hold on a sec, that's beckett" funny stuff i say.

The one thing that gets me about the actor recruited to play the old ernest is that he doesn't look much like Paul Mcgillon (compensating for aging and balding of course).

But still i find the whole thing funny.

As well, i'm not sure if it's just me or did i see the guy who played Mirdyn on the atlantean council/Merlin also play the leader of the people from the planet which the weather control device was stolen in "Touchstone" episode 214?

Oh and I also noticed that Narim, the Tollan is played by the same guy, Garwin Sanford, that plays Dr. Weir's now ex Simon Wallace. I mean talk about coincidental appearance but that's cutting it when it comes to actors time distance between different roles.

MiniHerc
November 22nd, 2005, 05:47 PM
Yes, i just looked up the filmography of Matthew Walker who plays Merdyn/Merlin, on sg-1, his character's name in Before I Sleep is "Moros", all M's, 10000 years must cause lots of name changes :D

His filmography confirms he plays "Roham" in Touchstone!

AutumnDream
November 24th, 2005, 10:09 PM
I'm watching it again right now! When I saw Beckett I was like, "Woah!".

I tell great stories.

Anyway, awesome episode! Haven't seen it in five years. >.>

bcfc
November 27th, 2005, 06:12 AM
:) I got the DVD so ill have watch it and check it out.


:) :D :) :D

timdalton007
November 28th, 2005, 09:03 AM
I read the script in the Essential Scripts book and I loved it! It was highly original and a great intro for the four races/ ancients plotline of the series! Of course the script has scenes that were cut from the final episode so I'm going to have to go see if a friend of mine has this episode on DVD so I can watch it.

timdalton007

Jolinar of the Tok'ra
December 15th, 2005, 07:09 AM
One of my favorite episodes. Goes from Hilarious to sentimental in a great way. Wish they would revisit this planet.:)

cafine_us
December 15th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Now that we have ships, we certainly should try to go back to the planet. All that "meaning of life stuff" could have great potential because just the philosophy and into the practical.

TheGreatLordGeorge
December 25th, 2005, 07:18 PM
yo

HirogenGater
January 9th, 2006, 04:08 PM
Believe it or not, this is my favorite episode from Season One. Loved the scene were Ernst poked Daniel and Daniel says “ We’re real”. As someone earlier said, the episode went from funny to very sentimental. Great stuff.

AGateFan
January 9th, 2006, 04:36 PM
Believe it or not, this is my favorite episode from Season One. Loved the scene were Ernst poked Daniel and Daniel says “ We’re real”. As someone earlier said, the episode went from funny to very sentimental. Great stuff.
It also gave the sense of sooooo much potential.
Really, for me its like, wow this is going to be interesting finding the answers. I never had a sense that this was just going to be a one off ep with no payout. I always felt that it was a little snapshot of what was to come.

LennyLen
January 15th, 2006, 05:46 AM
This was a certainly a very good episode.

However I had to have a chuckle when Daniel reads Ernests journal which describes the castle as being like a 'United Nations of the Stars'. There was no United Nations when Ernest left earth in 1945.

AGateFan
January 15th, 2006, 07:37 AM
This was a certainly a very good episode.

However I had to have a chuckle when Daniel reads Ernests journal which describes the castle as being like a 'United Nations of the Stars'. There was no United Nations when Ernest left earth in 1945.
haha, good catch... maybe he coined the phase himself and no one knew it. Great minds and all that.

Traveler Enroute1
January 15th, 2006, 09:28 AM
Wow, yes, one of my top fave episodes of SG1.

I also wondered if they could return in a ship. As Sam and Daniel agreed, being close to earth in the Stargate system is why they got a lock on it anyway. Even if the structure is in ruins, it has a buried Stargate that earth could try to retrieve for future use. And perhaps the other more protected rooms survived. Oh, well, maybe S11? ;)

Just sayin', it was a grand intro to the other races, esp a nice one leading to Jack's encounter with the Asgard. :)

Thor of The Asgard
January 16th, 2006, 11:46 PM
a very good episode indeed...exapt that old naked guy...that was pointless...
so some of the writings are of the asgard and of the ancients...i wonder which is of the furlings and wich is of the nox...

Metarock Sam
January 27th, 2006, 11:36 AM
Well i beleive the swishy righting is furling because it is the same writing as the one used in Paradise Lost.

Ludofjn
February 27th, 2006, 07:31 PM
they should definatly return to the planet ussing the deady to get te libray and from there should translte it from that it yould probally give them many new tech abilities. o and cathrine died in like season 5

Daniel's_twin
February 28th, 2006, 09:35 AM
1, You should really learn to use capitalization and punctuation. Your post was kinda confusing.

2, Catherine didn't die in season 5, she died in season 8, at the very end of the season. . :cool:

Pharaoh Atem
March 26th, 2006, 04:13 PM
good epsiode too bad we will never know more about that room and what secrets it may had held about the 4 great races and meaning of life

loved the beginning with jack and danielwatching the old tapes

jtg
April 23rd, 2006, 08:17 AM
There is a new reason to go back to this planet -- The Ori.

While there might be some "meaning of life stuff" to be gathered, there is likely to be some technical and scientific insights available in examining the library device that might come in useful in fighting off the Ori.

It might even tell how to find the Furlings.

As for why there was no reconnection after SG1 returned, the part of the castle that held the stargate was undereatten by wave action, and so a large part of the building might have fallen on top of the stargate.

The Device, in another part of the building, is probably safe. Even if it fell too, it is tough, and would likely survive, as would be the Stargate.

Sending a ship to that world with a supply of earth-moving and diving gear could excavate the stargate and if necessary the library devise and Ta-Da, Meaning of life stuff and Ori Defenses.

jtg :tecmate:

Seshat
April 23rd, 2006, 08:27 AM
There is a new reason to go back to this planet -- The Ori.

While there might be some "meaning of life stuff" to be gathered, there is likely to be some technical and scientific insights available in examining the library device that might come in useful in fighting off the Ori.

It might even tell how to find the Furlings.

As for why there was no reconnection after SG1 returned, the part of the castle that held the stargate was undereatten by wave action, and so a large part of the building might have fallen on top of the stargate.

The Device, in another part of the building, is probably safe. Even if it fell too, it is tough, and would likely survive, as would be the Stargate.

Sending a ship to that world with a supply of earth-moving and diving gear could excavate the stargate and if necessary the library devise and Ta-Da, Meaning of life stuff and Ori Defenses.

jtg :tecmate:
Of all the storylines that the writers have chosen to resurrect over the years, you would think that this one would be a most interesting choice. Maybe they just haven't developed a good enough script...;) Or perhaps they just feel it was explored enough already. Regardless, I would have liked to see an ep where they went back as well.

captain jake
April 23rd, 2006, 02:01 PM
I want that story to be dead.

captain jake
April 23rd, 2006, 02:01 PM
as in they dont go back

Mickey23
May 1st, 2006, 12:32 PM
I want that story to be dead.

And why exactly is that?

I agree with Seshat and jtg, this is one storyline they could have resurrected and probably could have found a lot of stuff to put in that episode. It would have been great in a S4 or S5 storyline, but by now, unfortunately, it is probably too late. Audiences might not remember it, the new watchers from S9 on definitely won't. And we don't want it to seem like a Deus ex machina. "We need something to use against the Ori... Hmm. Wait! Let's go back to Earnest's planet." (They go off in their spaceship and find some cool stuff.) "Look, everything we need to defeat the Ori and all our enemies. What an awesome discovery. All our problems are solved."
Ok, I'm not saying that would happen. Used wisely, the information could make for a great story. But....

captain jake
May 1st, 2006, 05:27 PM
The castle is at the bottom of the ocean where it belongs. Ernest would have mentioned anything else of importance and it would be nearly imposible to find the "book".

Daniel's_twin
May 2nd, 2006, 10:37 AM
I agree with captain jake. Even if the castle wasn't completely demolished when SG-1 left, by now it is definitely gone (nine years, and every year that storm comes? Nothing would survive that). And I think Ernest did say that there wasn't anything else but the castle on the planet. :cool:

captain jake
May 2nd, 2006, 02:56 PM
I told you so!!! haha just kidding but ya I did not even take into consideration the storm coming every year that would make it even more difficult.(Good point)

cafine_us
May 2nd, 2006, 05:41 PM
So what did Earnest eat for 30 years? Did he pack thousands of pounds of food, just in case?

captain jake
May 2nd, 2006, 08:17 PM
I assume there was vegatation on the planet.:)

Rak'nor
May 31st, 2006, 05:22 AM
I just rewatched the episode, and seeing the actor playing Beckett, whoa, surprised me. And he is a hell lot thinner, too!

Going back? Hmm, I don't see the necessity. I guess the repository on that planet would only be a fragment of what is stored inside Atlantis. They could learn more about the Nox and the Furlings (Asgard an Ancients are quite well known by now), but thats all.

captain jake
May 31st, 2006, 12:10 PM
Ok that just brings up the annoying fact of why haven't we asked the asgard about the furlings.

Albion
May 31st, 2006, 04:06 PM
Yes, this is an episode I really enjoy every time I watch. A wonderful mix of poignant and funny, with some terrific character moments - particularly between Jack and Daniel and Catherine and Earnest. Beautifully constructed with a tight script. Ah, those were the good old days.

I think someone has already mentioned it, but I love that even Teal'c gets in a few good quotes. The 'We know what we've got, so what do we need?"/ "We have a Stargate. We need a DVD." line cracks me up every time. All the funnier for being delivered deadpan.

I didn't know prior to reading this thread that the actor who played Earnest had died. Which perhaps explains the glaring absence of Earnest in Mobius. Although, TPTB have never seemed to balk at revisiting characters with new actors playing them. But I think, on the whole, I'd rather Earnest didn't appear than that he'd been played by someone else. A throwaway line to explain his absence would have been welcome though, instead of ignoring him completely.

Unlike many posters here, I've never thought there was any need to explore the plot in this one further. And I seriously doubt the castle survived - it was already falling apart when they jumped through the gate. I suppose there might be a case for trying to salvage it underwater, but I tend to agree that by this point there wouldn't be much left.

Great episode. Must go watch it again...

Albion :)

captain jake
May 31st, 2006, 04:44 PM
Haha if you do read the past page or so I made most of those points haha great minds think a like.

luthienberen
June 1st, 2006, 04:52 AM
I LOVE this episode. It had all the elements that make - made - SG-1 great.

A Daniel eager to explore and seek knowedlge, a Jack determined not to leave any of his men behind and most importantly - an intelligent Jack.

This episode held so many terrific character moments that it is hard to label them all. The only thing I found hard to believe was that Carter knew Catherine - I found that as unnecessary and on the writer's part a desperate attempt to justify her presence on the show.

Otherwise a wonderful episode. After S3 we rarely had episodes reaching this grandeur and enscapulating what Staragte SG-1 is in 45 minutes.

I think it is too late to go back to Earnest's planet now - the show has grown so far beyond it (and not in a good way) that it would be handled poorly if it was rehased. I believe that they could have revisited the planet and asked the Asgard more about the Furlings in S4 (though S6 may have held the opportunity) but TPTB did not sezie the chance when they had it.:(

captain jake
June 1st, 2006, 10:30 AM
LOL don't get me started on that subject please!!

(Remember, we dislike what we do not understand)

luthienberen
June 1st, 2006, 01:25 PM
LOL don't get me started on that subject please!!

(Remember, we dislike what we do not understand)

I do not know how to respond as I do not understand what you are referring to in your post.

captain jake
June 1st, 2006, 02:37 PM
The fact you think the show is declining in quality.

luthienberen
June 1st, 2006, 03:23 PM
The fact you think the show is declining in quality.

So ... you think that my belief that the show is declining is based on my not understanding what is going on? I'm confused.:S

captain jake
June 1st, 2006, 05:44 PM
Well i can't explain everything.

All I said is we don't like what we don't understand.

luthienberen
June 2nd, 2006, 01:52 AM
I understand why TPTB did many of the things they did during Seasons 7-9 and I *still* do not like it. My dislike is not based on not understanding but rather on many other issues - quality of writing one of them. I believe that during S4-5 writing quaility etc declined but improved dramatically during S6 only to fall spectaculry from S7 onwards. But I'm off topic now so I'll vamoose.

captain jake
June 2nd, 2006, 06:26 PM
Perhaps you don't like the writting because it is new to you, is that at all a possibility? Or is it just extremely trashy writing? Because I think most of it is pretty good.

Chelle DB
June 3rd, 2006, 02:53 AM
Well...what can I say. It was ok but I must admit, I did get somewhat bored with it. Poor Earnest - fancy being on your own for that long. I suppose it has it's pros and cons. A shame they didn't get to take all the information back home with them. It was good to see them fire up that gate with lightening - very clever. Ben Franklin would have been proud!!

luthienberen
June 4th, 2006, 12:33 PM
Perhaps you don't like the writting because it is new to you, is that at all a possibility? Or is it just extremely trashy writing? Because I think most of it is pretty good.

No, I do not dislike it simply because it is 'new'. In your opinion the writing is good. In my opinion the writing has been very poor for the last few Seasons and is growing worse. I have stated my reasons for my disafaction with the show in S9 in your letter to TPTB and I have explained elsewhere why I dislike Seasons 7-8 and even parts of S4/5. Check out the 'Unpopular Opinions Thread'.

So, no, it is not becuase it is 'new' but that I genuinely think that the writing is poor/dreadful.:cool:

Also, I saw Seasons 1-8 in reruns all in one strecth so it could hardly be 'new' to me by S7-8.

It is ALL opinion and NOT fact concerning the quality of writing, acting and direction of the show, so please do not try and pass off my opinions and concerns off as as simply 'she doesn't like change'.

I like and enjoy change: Seasons 6 was a breath of fresh air, with Jonas bringing good change. Change is not always good nor are 'new' things immediately good or bad.:jack:

I think the new Star Wars flims are excellent.

Does that answer your query?:)

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 09:30 PM
it was great to learn about the alliance with all 4 races but ill be glad when we finally see the furlings

EvilVala
July 22nd, 2006, 09:42 PM
Okay so I just watched the episode AGAIN. Like other people who posted in this thread I think we really really need to fly back and recover the library room. It was the safest place in the castle and surely survived. Think of the history it could have in it.

Daniel's_twin
July 24th, 2006, 01:16 PM
Good luck finding it on the bottom of the ocean floor. I've said it before, even it if it wasn't demolished the first time, by the time we got our first Ha'tak it definitely would have been destroyed, and by now it's totally a goner. :cool:

padr49904
July 24th, 2006, 03:46 PM
Well something might of survived like some writings not a lot.

captain jake
July 24th, 2006, 08:11 PM
People, The Asgard are personal friends of ours and guess what they helped build that place. Not only do they have that information but they have learned allot over the past couple thousand years. When they believe we are ready for it they will give it to us. It would just be stupid to go looking for more knowledge than we could handle. Besides I don't even think we could retrieve it if we wanted to is that thing waterproof?

Randy_Watson
September 3rd, 2006, 07:59 PM
People, The Asgard are personal friends of ours and guess what they helped build that place. Not only do they have that information but they have learned allot over the past couple thousand years. When they believe we are ready for it they will give it to us. It would just be stupid to go looking for more knowledge than we could handle. Besides I don't even think we could retrieve it if we wanted to is that thing waterproof?


Just watched this tonight and felt the same way. I don't think this is the only place this info was stored.

Ares26
October 9th, 2006, 03:21 AM
Favorite allout Stargate Episode. This episode is amaising on so many levels that it would take forever to list them all.

Merlin's_Legacy
October 12th, 2006, 07:45 PM
After seeing the flying Nox city I personally think the Nox built the buildings of Heliopolis. They shared the same conical dome structure for the tops of the towers. Don't have screenshots, but I'dlike to see them side by side.

Arga
October 13th, 2006, 04:17 PM
After seeing the flying Nox city I personally think the Nox built the buildings of Heliopolis. They shared the same conical dome structure for the tops of the towers. Don't have screenshots, but I'dlike to see them side by side.

here you go!

http://ednys.free.fr/fig/bscap136.jpg
http://ednys.free.fr/fig/bscap116.jpg

saberhagen83
October 17th, 2006, 02:10 PM
Great ep this, really shows how good Stargate can be. I'll admit I wasn't all into this one first time I saw it, thought it was sort of slow story. But I watched it again when I got the boxset and then I really started to enjoy this one. All characters were great in the ep, and I really liked Daniel and Jack in it. I truly miss the days when SG1 was more exploring, episodes like this is what I miss. "Meaning of life stuff"! :daniel:

Those two buildings/city shown in those screenshots, they do look a bit similar. Could be that the Nox build that place.

M2W
November 23rd, 2006, 01:47 PM
Yes i just watched that episode last night and when i was watching catherine's father and ernest talking... i was thinking "hold on a sec, that's beckett" funny stuff i say.

The one thing that gets me about the actor recruited to play the old ernest is that he doesn't look much like Paul Mcgillon (compensating for aging and balding of course).

But still i find the whole thing funny.

As well, i'm not sure if it's just me or did i see the guy who played Mirdyn on the atlantean council/Merlin also play the leader of the people from the planet which the weather control device was stolen in "Touchstone" episode 214?

Oh and I also noticed that Narim, the Tollan is played by the same guy, Garwin Sanford, that plays Dr. Weir's now ex Simon Wallace. I mean talk about coincidental appearance but that's cutting it when it comes to actors time distance between different roles.

I didn't mind that they used Paul twice because he looks really different now than he did in 'The Torment of Tantalus'. I started watching SG-1 in season two. I just bought season one. I'd already read that Paul played Ernest and I still had to star for a bit to make sure that was him when he came on screen. But the guy that played Narim still looks almost the exact same. I recognized him right away. I don't think they made a good choice there.

Amaunet
November 26th, 2006, 01:52 AM
I didn't mind that they used Paul twice because he looks really different now than he did in 'The Torment of Tantalus'. I started watching SG-1 in season two. I just bought season one. I'd already read that Paul played Ernest and I still had to star for a bit to make sure that was him when he came on screen. But the guy that played Narim still looks almost the exact same. I recognized him right away. I don't think they made a good choice there.

yer i don't think that was a very good choice either

anyway i didn't know he was in the Torment of Tanatalus...that was the very first ep i ever saw of Stargate...
I love the Torment of Tantalus...it would have to be on one of my 'most loved' lists

Icedragon
June 13th, 2007, 01:20 AM
I'm sure this would have come up but I can't find a reference to it. Shouldn't Ernest Little field be dead? Since his guide rope was cut, shouldn't the gates buffer have not sent the rest. Did this event occur before the buffer idea was thought of? Or is there something else I'm missing.

P-90_177
June 13th, 2007, 01:46 AM
that is very true and is a point that i have considered myself. I can't think of an answer either unless the gate could tell when power was cut to the gate that there was a whole person and so it rematrialised him anyways.

garhkal
June 13th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Either that, or the gate did not consider the rope as a part of him and had already materialised him on the other side..

1DanielForMe
June 20th, 2007, 05:38 AM
Either one makes sense.

Either way, I adore this episode. It is my second favourite. It has so many wonderful elements, but especially the “A Universal Language” scene (which is my third favourite after the "Space Monkey" scene in "The Serpent's Lair", and the "Toss The Symbiote Head" scene in "The First Ones", those being two and one respectively). I just get so happy ever time I watch that. It helps, as well that the music is incredible, my favourite of the show.

Okohme
August 6th, 2007, 01:08 PM
does anyone know if it was evenr discussed whether they ever attempted to return to this panet via ship to see if anyhting remained of the Helopolis?

garhkal
August 6th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Nope. It has never been discussed in the show as of yet.

Theimmortaljedi
August 15th, 2007, 09:49 PM
too bad. would have been a cool place to revisit

garhkal
August 24th, 2007, 05:47 AM
Yes it would have, but there has been several places like it, that have been 'ignnored' for lack of a better term.

Camelot
August 28th, 2007, 07:45 AM
But why should they return to this planet? There is nothing interesting on this planet anymore after the destruction of the Helopolis.

garhkal
August 28th, 2007, 04:17 PM
Whos to say that room was part of the place that fell into the sea? Heck who is to say that it is the only place on that planet..

Shiro
December 1st, 2007, 03:28 PM
does anyone know if it was evenr discussed whether they ever attempted to return to this panet via ship to see if anyhting remained of the Helopolis?
I guess it's possible. It's made quite clear that a lot of stuff happens outside of what we see on the show. SG-1 go on missions that we don't see, multiply that by however many SG-teams and that's a lot of exploring.

The episode establishes that the gate can't be dialled. We could assume that a hypothetical recon mission found out that nothing was salvageable, thus not notable for being mentioned in the show.

Just watched this episode and it is a really special one. A favourite of mine for sure.

captain jake
December 7th, 2007, 07:08 PM
Whos to say that room was part of the place that fell into the sea? Heck who is to say that it is the only place on that planet..

Don't you think they would have gone back to check?

RobertF
March 2nd, 2008, 06:40 PM
I found myself imagining how Ernest was spending 50 years on this planet (when he wasn't fantasizing about Catherine ;)). Where did he find fresh food and water? He offered food to Daniel, so I suppose he found a local food source.

garhkal
March 3rd, 2008, 03:29 PM
Looking at that food, it was almost bug like.. i know military are trained in how to catch food/eat grubs if needed..

But what i would like to know, is what else was on that planet..

Drax
March 22nd, 2008, 06:33 AM
There's a certain new poignancy for me when watching "The Torment of Tantalus" because this is the episode that really establishes the mythology of the entire series of SG-1 and Atlantis. After learning so much about the the four races, ascension and the Ancients and how everything came to be, it is so chilling to go back and watch how SG-1 discovered the first evidence of the Ancients when we see their language on the wall in Heliopolis. This was exploration at its finest on the show.

It's quite... tantalizing. :D

HelloVelo
May 25th, 2008, 03:25 PM
This was my favorite episode of Season One. Just great.

10/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/05/torment-of-tantalus.html

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 03:25 PM
I found myself imagining how Ernest was spending 50 years on this planet (when he wasn't fantasizing about Catherine ;)). Where did he find fresh food and water? He offered food to Daniel, so I suppose he found a local food source.

Well Heliopolis or PB2-908 is seen a couple times from an aerial view of the castle. If you look you can see plant life and as we have seen, most of the planets have ecosystems very similar to that of earth. Where there are tree's there are birds, mammals, fish, and a number of other species. Set aside fruits and vegetables. Hunting and fishing could be learned by anybody starving enough, but Ernest was not only starving he was a scientist. From what I saw he was a rather brilliant scientist, so I don't believe he would have a hard time rigging up some traps. That kind of a natural diet would probably keep him very healthy which would explain the long life.

However, if it was me I don't know how long I could have been around before I jumped right of that cliff.

L E E
June 27th, 2008, 09:19 PM
I really liked this ep.

I cannot imagine how Ernest survived ALONE in a strange planet for 50 years!!! It's lucky that he is still sane when SG1 found him.

I hope Daniel has learned a lesson here about what is more important. His obsession bothered me so much that I was hoping Jack would just hit him over the head to make Daniel see reason.

I don't recall Jack and Langford being that friendly in the movie. I will just assume that theu became closer when he returned from Abydos. But is nice to see that Jack has softened up.

Samantha Carter, the fix-it girl. I like this too. Further establishing how essential Carter is to the team.

The alien technology is very fascinating. A glimpse of what is to come in future episodes, which I've only read about but haven't seen yet so don't spoil it for me too much.

captain jake
June 27th, 2008, 10:58 PM
I really liked this ep.

I cannot imagine how Ernest survived ALONE in a strange planet for 50 years!!! It's lucky that he is still sane when SG1 found him.

I hope Daniel has learned a lesson here about what is more important. His obsession bothered me so much that I was hoping Jack would just hit him over the head to make Daniel see reason.

I don't recall Jack and Langford being that friendly in the movie. I will just assume that theu became closer when he returned from Abydos. But is nice to see that Jack has softened up.

Samantha Carter, the fix-it girl. I like this too. Further establishing how essential Carter is to the team.

The alien technology is very fascinating. A glimpse of what is to come in future episodes, which I've only read about but haven't seen yet so don't spoil it for me too much.

Well like I said he was a rather brilliant scientist, as for the remaining sane part... I don't think he was in any way sane, however the will to survive should never be underestimated.

robthebarman
July 16th, 2008, 03:21 AM
Just seen this episode again, still great.

Though i'm still wondering why the Stargate didn't connect afterwards. Stargates are pretty robust things, surviving meteorite strikes and still being able to function, having specially designed nukes to destroy them, surely a bit of castle rubble wouldn't have destroyed it?

Pic
July 21st, 2008, 07:00 AM
Just seen this episode again, still great.

Though i'm still wondering why the Stargate didn't connect afterwards. Stargates are pretty robust things, surviving meteorite strikes and still being able to function, having specially designed nukes to destroy them, surely a bit of castle rubble wouldn't have destroyed it?

I think it has something to do with the flushing thing not having room to ... flush. Hammond said something about it when the talked about the iris a couple episodes back.

What amazes me is this guy, Ernest, is alone for 50 years.
50 years!!
And he's sane.

Wow.

jenks
July 21st, 2008, 08:19 AM
He'd had an imaginary friend in Catherine.

pritnep
July 26th, 2008, 06:14 AM
Another great episode that I remembered as being not so great but like someone else said it just adds to the mythology and history of the Stargate.

Interesting how they never tired to send anyone after Ernest to see what happened, I guess because he never came back they figured it wasn't worth it or he was dead.

It's nice to see Catherine, I know the SGC and the Stargate program are now military run but as one of the pioneer of almost everything we currently know about the Gate you think she would of at least been brought on the team as a consultant or something.

Daniel was right in his element in this episode, I always love watching him when he gets amazed and fascinated by finding out new things while the others are left perplexed. Although I couldn't believe he would of stayed I mean he must of forgot about saving his wife after the brilliant discovery.

Pretty amazing though that the periodic table is a universal language of the 4 great races. I should of paid more attention in Science.

SG1FanOregon
August 3rd, 2008, 07:27 PM
Thankyou Brad for not showing Ernest nakkie below the waist Hahaha!! It wasn't an ep that had me on the edge of my seat but it was a very thoughtful & thought provoking episode. I'm glad they went and got him home & If they had found a way to get back there; They took the power supply to get the gate working. If they had found a way to get that device back to the SGC. I don't think we'd ever have seen Dr Jackson outside his office again Hahaha!! Just like a kid in a candy store. I've often wished they go see how Ernest was doing. I'd love to have seen how the world grew up through his eyes. I just hope he had a wonderful retirement. Earnest deserves it more than anyone I think

ValaDee
August 5th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Thankyou Brad for not showing Ernest nakkie below the waist Hahaha!! It wasn't an ep that had me on the edge of my seat but it was a very thoughtful & thought provoking episode. I'm glad they went and got him home & If they had found a way to get back there; They took the power supply to get the gate working. If they had found a way to get that device back to the SGC. I don't think we'd ever have seen Dr Jackson outside his office again Hahaha!! Just like a kid in a candy store. I've often wished they go see how Ernest was doing. I'd love to have seen how the world grew up through his eyes. I just hope he had a wonderful retirement. Earnest deserves it more than anyone I think

:) And why do you think that SG1Fan? I have always thought that they all worked hard on these episodes? Daniel does love candy stores doesn't he?

RononXSpecialist
November 8th, 2008, 03:25 AM
Greaaat episode poor Ernest if I were him I would go insane.

4 Races : Nox, Furlings, Anceints, Asgard

GATEGOD
November 22nd, 2008, 09:51 PM
I had no idea Earnest was Beckett!!! Well the same actor, I just realized it, watching it, lol.

gateship15
November 24th, 2008, 02:16 AM
really it was the same actor wow i really have to watch it again :0 this was a great episode tho and is one of my faves

kemo
November 29th, 2008, 07:21 PM
I had no idea Earnest was Beckett!!! Well the same actor, I just realized it, watching it, lol.

I noticed the same thing not too long ago. It's fascinating that after 7 years of not being affiliated with Stargate, that actor came back for the Atlantis series.

LiquidAK
December 12th, 2008, 06:02 PM
Love this episode, one of the best in season one. Loved the way at the end when Ernest hugs Daniel, Jack goes, "Katherine, hug me.":jack: Made me lol. :P

Minnesota Fan
December 22nd, 2008, 11:11 PM
Okay I just have to say I LOVE this forum !!!! I was just watching this eps in my room and I realized it was Beckett and nobody in my house would understand the excitement of seeing him in an early eps of SG1 and here I find that I'm not alone in my findings. Thank you all you other 'gate fans for understanding my obession and addiction. (Even though most of my family and other people think I'm nuts)

gateship15
December 25th, 2008, 07:49 PM
my family thinks the same but i agree with your obsesion

Colonel Sharp
December 28th, 2008, 12:25 AM
I had no idea Earnest was Beckett!!! Well the same actor, I just realized it, watching it, lol.
Oh my god!!!! I just rewatched it and noticed the same thing! :D That's awesome! :lol:

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 09:56 AM
I noticed the same thing not too long ago. It's fascinating that after 7 years of not being affiliated with Stargate, that actor came back for the Atlantis series.

that is amazing :D and so is this episode

Starbreaker
March 30th, 2009, 10:06 AM
I'm watching the series from the beginning, and this is my favorite episode so far. It's a simple story, but very effectively done.

raduzhok
April 10th, 2009, 08:51 AM
It's been a long time (SG1 series is still packed away after my move) since I watched any season of SG1, but looking back over the S1 titles, I can actually recall them vividly! THAT is the mark of a great series, after SO many years. I remember loving Torment of Tantalus, for so many reasons. It was magic!

Spimman
April 10th, 2009, 08:53 AM
It was a great episode, I don't remember every episode that way...but quite a few. This is one of them, wish we had more time on that planet.

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 03:37 PM
i really liked this episode. i watched it again not that long ago and it is true that paul McGillion plays young ernest. You learn something new everyday.

Cheerful Dragon
May 20th, 2009, 05:37 AM
Watched this episode for the first time in a long while. I'd forgotten how good it is. There are loads of little things I enjoyed. The reactions of the various team members, including General Hammond, when Daniel brings Catherine to the SGC. The reactions when they see Ernest for the first time (nekkid), and his reaction to them and Catherine. Daniel's obsession with the alien device, which almost takes him to the point of not going home. It's interesting that Jack didn't mention Sha're in an attempt to get Daniel's attention off the device. I wonder if Jack would have used force if Daniel had refused to leave.

The SGC has a craft capable of interstellar travel, so maybe this planet could have been revisited to get some of the knowledge contained in the 'book'. We will never know.

Sp!der
July 26th, 2009, 07:21 PM
yep, watched it today again, and it was my first time that i noticed that paul mcgillion was in it. Well, it was awesome. Probably i should the whole ten seasons again to find some atlantis actors in old sg1 episodes ;). one of the best sg1 episodes ever. best line of teal´c: We have a stargate. We need a dhd. that was awesome ;). how young they all look ...^^:jack::sam::daniel::tealc: that is real classic sg1!!!

lordofseas
August 2nd, 2009, 09:40 PM
Ya, it was a good episode, but the small goofs I can excuse because it's an early episode. :P

tNsRAoL
October 1st, 2009, 02:51 AM
Though I normally don't like discussing minor things that seem to contradict a "rule" of stargate travel... I noticed that when the young Dr. Littlefield goes through the gate at the beginning of the episode, the tube that runs from his air-tight suit to what I'd assume was a source of oxygen is severed. Dr. Littlefield, the tube running from his suit to the source of oxygen, and the source of oxygen itself is certainly a discreet unit in so much as, say, a hypothetical ship that could travel through the gate is ;). Since we've learned (Spoiler is from Atlantis - 38 Minutes) that the Stargate will only transfer matter in discreet units, shouldn't Dr. Littlefield have been killed (i.e. not re-materialized)? A minor nitpick indeed, but it is noteworthy.

Yeah I always thought the same thing. It has always bugged me when watching the episode. Although I do consider the episode one of my favourites.

General Jeckle
October 29th, 2009, 06:26 PM
Also one of my favorites, I think the writers did very well in packing background detail. Ernest served as a decent plot device, but he wasn't my attraction or momento, the library was.
In case some haven't seen it yet I'll wrap the rest in spoilers...
At the same time though, a lot of that detail went to waste, since they never used much of it elsewhere. I always wanted more of that library, & offer that revisiting stuff like this would dwarf the tok'ra-centric silliness to come. Even if as some mentioned, the Asgard had this info, it wasn't touched upon later. This ep allowed us to stand in awe along with Daniel. I miss it, & always see it as what could've been. The stories became more revolved around one-offs the next few seasons.
I totally loved the methods used to power the gate, as well as the initial presentation of the possibility to dial locations with destroyed DHDs. A good example of Carter using her knowledge to solve a deadly problem outside of the box, instead of what the critics claim became heavy magic wand usage.

ooryl2
December 7th, 2009, 05:07 PM
Getting a new friend into SG1 and we just watched this episode today, first time I had watched it in quite a while. Had a little "hmm" moment (now that I know all that's gone on in the rest of the seasons) when they were reading the journal and Ernest was talking about Catherine being there... I wonder was he really just hallucinating, or could his imaginary Catherine have actually been an Ancient appearing to him?

gateship15
December 7th, 2009, 06:19 PM
i really liked this ep.

Inquisitor
January 1st, 2010, 11:27 AM
This is one of my favourite episodes, but I laugh every time I watch it. Not because of the other parts mentioned in this thread, but because Jackson says "The number of electrons determining the element." You'd think they'd proof those things out?

Stryker412
January 6th, 2010, 08:24 PM
Just watched this episode tonight for the first time. Was surprised to see Paul McGillion as a guest star. Is this where the SG crew discovered him for later?

mrscopterdoc
February 3rd, 2010, 04:17 PM
This is one of my favorite season one eppies....it is sad but at least it has a happy ending.

hawk97135
February 10th, 2010, 03:42 AM
This is a very good episode of season one or even the whole series. As it has been said numerous times in this thread already, it would have been nice if they revisited this story later in the series either whenwhen they met the Asgard or they built/acquired ships capable of Hyperspace. but either way, me personally, am happy with the story and they way they concluded it.

maneth
March 1st, 2010, 11:37 AM
Great story! Just too bad they couldn't go back to the planet anymore. I did feel that it was a bit contrived that Ernest was rescued at the last possible moment before the storm buried the gate.

Supreme Commander Sil
March 3rd, 2010, 03:34 AM
One thing I always have to say when I watch this.....


PAUL..... MC......GILLION :eek:!

StargateWatcher
March 18th, 2010, 03:39 AM
agreed

our fantastic, awe-provoking intro to the 4 GR

Jack deserves much too credit for thinking of lightning to power the gate

Edit :

yup in a show that otherwise tries to be as scientifcally accurate as possible

Vagabond Serpent
April 2nd, 2010, 09:59 AM
And outstanding, fantastic episode. I always expected to see Terrans return to that planet sometime later, to recover all possible data from that place. Also I was very surprised to learn that young Ernest was played by Paul McGillion. :P Ah, Ernest... He risked everything, his life, his beloved to enter the StarGate just for the sake of curiosity and science... What a drama...

EDIT: 10/10 One of the best SG-1 episodes, I can rewatch and rewatch it.

Girlbot
June 10th, 2010, 11:33 AM
Always wondered why the stuff Daniel saw and recorded never showed up again. And of course the fact that the place didn't make it through their visit was a bit overdramatic:D

magictrick
June 16th, 2010, 10:36 AM
Just saw this again the other day. Always nice to see Carson Beckett :)

SiNz
August 6th, 2010, 10:34 PM
Very cool episode. The originality of it was awesome. The reactions of the team when Ernest comes out naked was hilarious lol

Tallifer
September 8th, 2010, 04:46 PM
This was one of the best episodes of Stargate.

The scenes from 1945 were especially enjoyable. I liked seeing the story from 1928 continued.

GateGhost
March 15th, 2011, 09:37 AM
My mouth droped when I saw that Paul McGillion was in this episode. He did well in this episode. I'm glad that they liked him.

jtg
March 15th, 2011, 12:43 PM
How did Ernest survive "sane" for so long?

Remember, he had that "library" will all the "Meaning of Life Stuff" to occupy him. He likely spent many many hours decoding and "reading" what to him would be the ultimate source of knowledge.

Also, his "imaginary" Catherine friend, I suspect could have been an Ancient taking the form of Catherine, so perhaps not so "imaginary".

jtg

KateT
May 12th, 2011, 05:58 AM
Just watched this episode again. Love it, one of my favourites. Was pleasently surprised to see Paul McGillon in it, he looked very different!

Love the guy that plays old Ernest too. Makes me laugh when he gives everyone a naked hug, especially Teal'c lol :-)

Shame they never go to back and look at the "book" again. Maybe they could have figured out a way to contact the Furlings. Would love to have met them properly.

stupidoctopus
May 12th, 2011, 01:39 PM
My mouth droped when I saw that Paul McGillion was in this episode. He did well in this episode. I'm glad that they liked him.

Oh, man! Until I saw your post, I didn't even know Paul McGillion was young Ernest!


How did Ernest survive "sane" for so long?

Remember, he had that "library" will all the "Meaning of Life Stuff" to occupy him. He likely spent many many hours decoding and "reading" what to him would be the ultimate source of knowledge.

Also, his "imaginary" Catherine friend, I suspect could have been an Ancient taking the form of Catherine, so perhaps not so "imaginary".

jtg

I agree that he had all of that stuff to occupy him, except I don't think the imaginary Catherine was an Ancient, especially considering that the Heliopolis was over-run by the Goa'uld for a long time. On top of that, it's easy to just see things after being alone for so long.


Just watched this episode again. Love it, one of my favourites. Was pleasently surprised to see Paul McGillon in it, he looked very different!

Love the guy that plays old Ernest too. Makes me laugh when he gives everyone a naked hug, especially Teal'c lol :-)

Shame they never go to back and look at the "book" again. Maybe they could have figured out a way to contact the Furlings. Would love to have met them properly.

The Heliopolis Stargate was buried, so they could never return. I would too have loved to have the Furlings thing properly played out.

SF_and_Coffee
May 12th, 2011, 02:11 PM
I agree that he had all of that stuff to occupy him, except I don't think the imaginary Catherine was an Ancient, especially considering that the Heliopolis was over-run by the Goa'uld for a long time. On top of that, it's easy to just see things after being alone for so long.
Huh? I could swear that based on what was said in the episode, Heliopolis was one of the places the Goa'uld had never been to, because the address was not one that was found on the Abydos map.

ETA: Ah, here's the relevant bit from the episode transcript:

(This is during the scene in the conference room where SG-1 are discussing with Hammond the possibility of visiting the planet whose address the 1945 team dialed)

HAMMOND
(impatiently)Captain Carter.
CARTER
(sheepishly, she straightens up)
Yes, sir. It seems the planet in question is close to Abydos, so it uses many of the same points in space as locators, which explains why the team in '45 could coincidentally dial in without compensating for planetary shift. But Sir, the planet in question is not on the cartouche we found on Abydos.
CATHERINE
What's the significance of that?
CARTER
The Goa'ulds haven't charted it. They may not even have been there.
DANIEL
If the Goa'ulds haven't been to this planet, and there's obviously a 'gate there, then we would have unquestionable proof that they didn't originally build the Stargates.
TEAL'C
The Goa'uld are scavengers. Since they have not traveled to this planet, we may find technologies we can use against them.
The Heliopolis Stargate was buried, so they could never return. I would too have loved to have the Furlings thing properly played out.No, the Heliopolis Stargate fell into the sea and was buried or destroyed, so it wouldn't connect. But once the Tau'ri had acquired ships, they could conceivable have visited the planet that way to see if the library had survived. I'd have liked to see that myself.

stupidoctopus
May 12th, 2011, 09:33 PM
You're absolutely right. I must have been confusing Goa'uld with something else (perhaps the Ancient plague?)

Also, I wasn't aware the Tau'ri had such ships. I'm only on mid-s4 :O

WraithCommander
June 8th, 2011, 03:39 PM
I think it's a great episode, love the flashback scenes. The 4 races element really opened up the rest of the Stargate future in my opinion. It paved the way for all story lines to come.

garhkal
June 8th, 2011, 05:08 PM
'Tis a pity we never heard about the Furlings though.. "Cept' for that one ep in season 6... when Oneill and Maybourne got stranded together.

stupidoctopus
June 23rd, 2011, 03:51 PM
'Tis a pity we never heard about the Furlings though.. "Cept' for that one ep in season 6... when Oneill and Maybourne got stranded together.

What's worse is that it seems like that episode puts blame on the Furlings for the collapse of their 'utopia,' but after all, it was a Goa'uld who poisoned them. What's even weirder is that you'd think they'd monitor for something like a Goa'uld..

..but I digress.

garhkal
June 23rd, 2011, 04:49 PM
Maybe the gou'ald that got in was one 'seeking redemption or sanctuary'..

mathpiglet
July 7th, 2011, 04:57 PM
I think it's a great episode, love the flashback scenes. The 4 races element really opened up the rest of the Stargate future in my opinion. It paved the way for all story lines to come.

Exactly. This was a great episode to tantalize us with the whole mythology of the four races.

the fifth man
July 7th, 2011, 07:52 PM
This Season 1 episode was simply amazing. Great from start to finish. It is as good to watch today as it ever was.

maylet
July 10th, 2011, 11:13 AM
Amazing episode, and a really good way to introduce the other races, too bad that the gate went to ocean and they weren't able to ever come back, it would have been really cool to see more of that place. I feel bad for Ernest being alone for such a long time, poor man

jtg
July 10th, 2011, 10:11 PM
Amazing episode, and a really good way to introduce the other races, too bad that the gate went to ocean and they weren't able to ever come back, it would have been really cool to see more of that place. I feel bad for Ernest being alone for such a long time, poor man

Oh, but they CAN go back.

Humans have starships, and it's already been established that the Library planet is probably one of the nearest to Earth, so the only reason nobody has gone back is that nobody has written a script to do so.

The stargate may have fell into the ocean, but for technology able to travel across the stars, mounting a salvage operation to get i tup and remount it a wee bit further from the cliffside would be almost trivial.

The Library machine itself is likely still in good shape beause it was interior and in the most solid part of the building, so unless the whole cliffside fel down, it's still there. Even if it fell to, it's likely that being ancient technology, it's still intact, or at least reparable, or worst case, it's dead memory can be uploaded to another storage for examination.

jtg

Vagabond Serpent
July 10th, 2011, 11:57 PM
Yeah, they can easily go en orbit, locate stargate, beam it somewhere else and use it again.

maylet
July 12th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Oh, but they CAN go back.

Humans have starships, and it's already been established that the Library planet is probably one of the nearest to Earth, so the only reason nobody has gone back is that nobody has written a script to do so.

The stargate may have fell into the ocean, but for technology able to travel across the stars, mounting a salvage operation to get i tup and remount it a wee bit further from the cliffside would be almost trivial.

The Library machine itself is likely still in good shape beause it was interior and in the most solid part of the building, so unless the whole cliffside fel down, it's still there. Even if it fell to, it's likely that being ancient technology, it's still intact, or at least reparable, or worst case, it's dead memory can be uploaded to another storage for examination.

jtg

Oh yes, I see it that way, they can easily go back, NOW, not when season 1 happened. That's what I meant when I said they couldn't go back. If there were to go back now, I said they don't do it, because they don't want to waste the time to do it, maybe because they don't even remember about that planet, they think that the everything (not only the Stargate) went to the ocean, or because maybe they have a lot of the information that they may have discover on that library.
In my opinion once they were able of traveling, they should have gone back, who knows, maybe the information there could have found changed everything about how to fight not only agaist the Goa'uld, but also the Replicators and the Ori. Maybe even found the Furlings

garhkal
July 16th, 2011, 12:45 PM
its a true pity we never heard if they DID go back..

Starfox1313
July 29th, 2011, 02:53 PM
I mean really what is the purpose of going back. Well at least now, It could of been very valuable in any season, but once the series ending in unending, They have all The knowledge of the Asgaurd. I'm sure that the asgaurd gave them what ever is in the library, for when they used to meet there the ancients were still around, so its been how long now.

But this was a good episode to try and bring the movie and show together as one.

Zaany
August 3rd, 2011, 12:27 PM
Deeemn, i have watched all the episodes of the all the seasons so many times but i only just noticed that Paul McGillion(Beckett from Atlantis) plays Ernest :D
Also again a brilliant example of Teal'c's facial expressions. (When naked Ernest hugs him) :D
The very first time i saw this (A LONG LONG time ago) this episodes was very important, because it clearly stated that they will meet new intelligent alien races and it moved the story along(and the mythology)

lookupwardsnshare
August 5th, 2011, 05:53 PM
I think it's a great episode, love the flashback scenes. The 4 races element really opened up the rest of the Stargate future in my opinion. It paved the way for all story lines to come.

Agree. I liked the flashbacks and the storyline. Poor Ernest. I couldn't imagine being stuck somewhere alone for 50 years.

poundpuppy29
August 9th, 2011, 07:53 AM
This is my favorite ep of SG period loved it from beginning to end just awesome

Brother Freyr
August 10th, 2011, 01:34 AM
I've always felt it was a pity they never re-visited the planet in a later season, via spaceship. The repository could have been a great plot device, allowing the writers to send the story ANYwhere. (Furlings, anyone?)

muziqaz
August 10th, 2011, 02:53 AM
Great episode, intro to something bigger :)
Daniel was at it again. I know he was extremely excited but well think Daniel, think. You are stranded in the planet and that knowledge would be wasted if they did not manage to get out of there :)
I agree with Brother Freyr, they should have dispatched a ship to that planet to see if the castle is still there. Though they made some photos and videos of the writings, so it wasn't such a loss.
And Furlings - yes that is the biggest disappointment of the series for me.

dtheories
August 10th, 2011, 09:40 AM
And poor Shanks who, suffering from a cold, was throaty and stuffed up, but still managed a magnificent and delicate performance. All the jumping around, wide-eyed wonder, physical mannerisms that make him Daniel were on display. Was this the first ep where they saw actually dialing of the gate manually? Or the inside of the DHD?

I always enjoy the slice of life outside the SGC opportunities and that's what we got with Daniel's visit to Dr. Langford's home. Bringing her history in to coincide with the 'gate itself was part of why the ep remains at the heart of Stargate lore. And SO many wonderful quotes!
That's another long story, but a good one!
Great. Shoot it!...Now what?
Meaning of life stuff.
Using Daniel to bring to life the Torment of Tantalus story was genius. Him being so alone all his life may not have seen sharing the knowledge with another as so important until Ernest explained how it felt and Jack passionately displayed how leaving Daniel behind would be unacceptable. Amazing story well played by all.

jlovette
August 10th, 2011, 10:57 AM
I remember watching this for the first time and thinking it was kind of cool when they described the four races meeting in a sort of UN fashion, but what sold me was when Daniel recognized one of the four writings as Thor's language. For me, that was when I became convinced that there was some sort of plan for the show being executed. Great, great episode!

I also loved the old footage of sending someone going through the gate looking like a deep sea diver.

KayLyne
August 10th, 2011, 11:30 AM
First of all, I loved seeing Elizabeth Hoffman in this episode. I wish they would have had her back a few more times. I first saw her on the old tv series, Sisters, with Sela Ward, Swoozie Kurtz & Patricia Kalember.

As for the ep itself, I liked Sam & Catherine's greeting each other as old friends. That's why it puzzles me a bit in one of the later episodes (forget which one) when Daniel gets the call that Catherine died. Sam should have looked devastated as well, I would have thought.

Anyway... the thing that sticks out foremost in my mind when thinking about this episode is Sam's reaction upon first seeing Ernest standing in the doorway naked, and then her quickly getting out of the way of a possible hug with said naked man. That cracks me up every time!

I'm also quite surprised that Sam didn't become at least a little bit geeky over the whole "meeting chamber" where the molecules were shown in the hologram thingy (so technical, I know!) Being a scientist, you'd think Sam would have been intrigued like Daniel was. Then again, her focus was mainly on getting the gate to open again.

I loved how through the years, Ernest used Catherine as a reference/companion in all of his notes as if she were there and interacting with him. That was quite a believable scenario.

The thing that annoys me a bit - and thankfully they do tone it down as the series goes on - is Daniel's blatant disregard for his own life & well-being in order to study the new technology. In this case, his insistence to stay longer not only jeopardized his life, but Jack's as well. Daniel knew Jack well enough by then to know Jack's motto of "leave no man behind" and that Jack wouldn't leave until Daniel was with him.

muziqaz
August 10th, 2011, 01:15 PM
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The thing that annoys me a bit - and thankfully they do tone it down as the series goes on - is Daniel's blatant disregard for his own life & well-being in order to study the new technology. In this case, his insistence to stay longer not only jeopardized his life, but Jack's as well. Daniel knew Jack well enough by then to know Jack's motto of "leave no man behind" and that Jack wouldn't leave until Daniel was with him.

I remember when I 1st was watching the series years ago, that thing annoyed me the most as well(not mentioning the politics).

SG3Marine
August 10th, 2011, 03:23 PM
Yea, I agree. I'm glad when they toned that part of Jackson down. Granted when I re-watched this episode I was doing other things. But what politics were in this episode?

Starscape91
August 10th, 2011, 10:05 PM
I totally forgot about Ernest being naked the first time they see him and Sam's expression as he was about to hug her was hilarious!:jack_new_anime06: What bugged me about this episode was Sam kepted on say dial home device I can't wait until they just say DHD. I kind of understand Daniel's point of view in this episode, but I don't think that the information would have been worth his life. Like what Ernest said whats the point of knowing the answers when you can't share them with anyone!

muziqaz
August 11th, 2011, 01:35 AM
Yea, I agree. I'm glad when they toned that part of Jackson down. Granted when I re-watched this episode I was doing other things. But what politics were in this episode?

Sorry, I meant politics of the series ;) This episode did not have that. Just Daniel ;)

SG3Marine
August 11th, 2011, 07:33 AM
Sorry, I meant politics of the series ;) This episode did not have that. Just Daniel ;)

lol, I gotcha.

Starmover
August 11th, 2011, 11:04 AM
I loved this episode. At the beginning it looked as if the old black and white footage was edited pretty good from 5 or 6 different cameras. I also love the Catherine Langford Character. She should of been as important to SG1, as what Elizabeth Weir was to Atlantis. I would've liked to see her as a continuing character at SGC, with Hammond still in charge of course! It was cool seeing Catherine arm in arm with Daniel and Jack, I'm glad they let her go through the gate. So far this is my favorite quote from Jack...

O'NEILL: Oh Ernest is showing his new toy.
CARTER: Really? What?
O'NEILL: A fancy light show that maybe the key to our existence, or something like that.

lol, it's like it's no big deal to him. Key to our existence? Ok, take some notes and pictures, let's complete our mission and move on. :comeon:
Another great line was, I'm obviously no scientist, but couldn't we do that Ben Franklin thing? That sentence shows why he's in charge.
Teal'c also cracked me up when Jack said "we know what we have. What do we need?" Then Teal'c says "We have the stargate, we need the dial home device".
So good episode, one of my top five favorites for the first season :hammond15:

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 11th, 2011, 05:30 PM
This was the first good SG-1 episode. Forgot Paul was in it, years before he was Beckett.

I realized most of the early good SG-1 episodes (from Season 1 to 3 focused on the Stargate, just like this one.

Tomorrow, we meet Bra'tac for the first time. And that chick from Eureka also appears.

Nindif
August 12th, 2011, 04:22 AM
I'm also quite surprised that Sam didn't become at least a little bit geeky over the whole "meeting chamber" where the molecules were shown in the hologram thingy (so technical, I know!) Being a scientist, you'd think Sam would have been intrigued like Daniel was. Then again, her focus was mainly on getting the gate to open again.

I loved how through the years, Ernest used Catherine as a reference/companion in all of his notes as if she were there and interacting with him. That was quite a believable scenario.

I am sure that given different circumstances, Sam would have geeked out over the repository as well. But to be fair, Daniel is the linguist and it is his field of expertise, so the focus should be on him.

I LOVE the archival footage, the flashbacks to Ernest and catherine are beatifully done and - without going overboard - sets a really nice tone and backstory between the two for the episode. Very nicely done. I really like the sugar cube transition.

I watched the ep with my girlfirend (Non-Stargate fan) and she really enjoyed this episode. It has a bit of everything and establishes an intriging mythology for the rest of the series'.

Easily in top 3 for first season, possibly #1.

juggernaut975
August 12th, 2011, 05:14 AM
Without a doubt, my favorite episode from Season 1. I'm pretty certain that there's a lot of fans who share that sentiment so I won't add my two cents in its praise....instead, I'll expand on another aspect of the episode that I found fascinating.

This is a Twilight Zone episode.

If we imagine the set up in grainy, black and white, if we can imagine Rod Sterling with the voice over as we're introduced to Ernest, Catherine and her father.

A young man, an eager scientist, is unlocking the secrets of this 'Heaven's Door' all the while brushing aside the warnings of the elder Langford who warns him....'A door to heaven could mean that you forfeit your own life Ernest...'

Undeterred he presses on, never thinking to tell the love of his life, Catherine, about what he plans to do once he opens the door.....

As he steps through he takes one last look back, a hesitation perhaps, a last thought of caution? If there were any doubts it doesn't show because with a turn of his heel he steps through into the unknown.

When he arrives he realizes that he is alone and that, because of a broken DHD, he is unable to return home.

Ernest Littlefield stepped further than any man when he risked opening Heaven's Door, but the knowledge he gained, the curiosity he sated was a prize he could not share with anyone else. There are some that say if you listen closely enough when you look out across the night sky you can hear Ernest's cries, a plea that will never be answered and will be the last human voice Ernest hears, his own, echo and reverberate throughout....The Twilight Zone....


This premise is just sobering as hell. When Littlefield realizes that Daniel and the rest of SG1 is real, the withering sob of relief that he's able to produce is heart wrenching.

Five decades he's spent utterly alone. Would I take that chance if offered an opportunity like he had back in 1945? Would I step through the gate to see what was on the other side?

I'd be tempted as hell but I could not even begin to imagine what that experience would be like. As fantastic as this episode is it's one that always leaves me drained afterward because it stirs up those sorts of questions.

Noxbait
August 12th, 2011, 05:21 AM
Another great line was, I'm obviously no scientist, but couldn't we do that Ben Franklin thing? That sentence shows why he's in charge.

I love when he says things like that. It really shows that he is not at all an idiot, but likes to say smart things in dumb ways. :) He couldn't be a great Black Ops Colonel in the USAF if he was an idiot. I love that he jokes around a lot, but I really can see the serious (dark, even) side of him almost all the time. Great post! :tecmate:

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 12th, 2011, 07:39 AM
This is one of SG-1's sweeter eps. I remember watching it with my girlfriend years ago and she enjoyed it.

I also forgot Beckett was in it.

Jae'a
August 12th, 2011, 10:47 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/3910.html)

When Sam tries to fix the broken DHD, I thought "Are you MacGyvering it again?" :lol:

hlndncr
August 12th, 2011, 03:19 PM
I love this episode. It's one of my favorite of all Stargate.

One reason is all the great guest performances, Elizabeth Hoffman, Keene Curtic, Paul McGillion *hugs*, Nancy McClure! Then there's the old film footage and the flashbacks which were so well executed and woven into the story. And finally, fabulous, thought provoking adventure with great team interaction.

I do think I would have liked to see Sam play with the device more. Rightly, she was working hard on fixing the DHD and getting them home. But I'm sure she felt bad she didn't really get to play with the other neat doohickey.

I also think Daniel struggles for years to truly understand Ernest's assertion that there's no point in knowing the secrets of the universe if you can't share.

I think Daniel only completely learns this lesson after his ascession when he essentially does have the knowledge and power of the universe in his hands and yet he can't save his best friend.



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Krisz
August 12th, 2011, 03:25 PM
This episode shows why this show rocks!! :)

Learning more and more tantalizing bits and pieces that leave you wanting to find out more. The awe and wonder, finding great mysteries and unraveling them.

Excited and obsessed Daniel, I just love the wide eyed wonder of the early years Daniel. Also, the not so 'clueless' Jack, I love how Stargate always had the scientists mulling furiously over problems and Jack steps in with a simple effective view to solving it. "......that Ben Franklin, thing." Go Jack!!! :D

hlndncr
August 12th, 2011, 03:35 PM
Yeah I love that Jack's the smart one! :P

One of my favorite moments is in Redemption when Jack asks why Sam isn't with the other eggheads. And Sam gets him back a few minutes later by asking if he has any ideas because he usually sees things at their simplest. His plan? Cake of course! OK, so maybe that wasn't one of his save the day ideas, but he did later save the day. So I forgive him.

*hugs Jack*



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Noxbait
August 12th, 2011, 09:13 PM
I also think Daniel struggles for years to truly understand Ernest's assertion that there's no point in knowing the secrets of the universe if you can't share.

I think Daniel only completely learns this lesson after his ascession when he essentially does have the knowledge and power of the universe in his hands and yet he can't save his best friend.


OOOh!!! Such a good point you make (there in the secret spoiler spot)! :) I never thought of that, but I think you have an excellent point. Makes total sense to me.

I love this episode for all the reasons you mentioned. One of my top favs too!

shelsfc
August 13th, 2011, 10:00 AM
LOVE this ep! Definitely one of the best of S1, if not of the whole series. and of course, the world os SG's first introduction to the legend that is Paul McGillion :D Man, how different the world of SG cons would be without that man... :P



I'm also quite surprised that Sam didn't become at least a little bit geeky over the whole "meeting chamber" where the molecules were shown in the hologram thingy (so technical, I know!) Being a scientist, you'd think Sam would have been intrigued like Daniel was. Then again, her focus was mainly on getting the gate to open again.

The thing that annoys me a bit - and thankfully they do tone it down as the series goes on - is Daniel's blatant disregard for his own life & well-being in order to study the new technology. In this case, his insistence to stay longer not only jeopardized his life, but Jack's as well. Daniel knew Jack well enough by then to know Jack's motto of "leave no man behind" and that Jack wouldn't leave until Daniel was with him.

For me that was very much an insight into Daniel at that time. He kinda lost that sense of wonder and passion for this sort of stuff a bit as the years went on - naturally, for the situation he was in. But here, at the start, the thirst for knowledge seemed to drive him as much as the desire to find Sha're. He sort of loses himself in it. But he became more practical about it as the series went on.



I also think Daniel struggles for years to truly understand Ernest's assertion that there's no point in knowing the secrets of the universe if you can't share.

I think Daniel only completely learns this lesson after his ascession when he essentially does have the knowledge and power of the universe in his hands and yet he can't save his best friend.


I'd never thought of it like that before, that's a really good point!

Krisz
August 13th, 2011, 01:05 PM
LOVE this ep! Definitely one of the best of S1, if not of the whole series. and of course, the world os SG's first introduction to the legend that is Paul McGillion :D Man, how different the world of SG cons would be without that man... :P



For me that was very much an insight into Daniel at that time. He kinda lost that sense of wonder and passion for this sort of stuff a bit as the years went on - naturally, for the situation he was in. But here, at the start, the thirst for knowledge seemed to drive him as much as the desire to find Sha're. He sort of loses himself in it. But he became more practical about it as the series went on.



I'd never thought of it like that before, that's a really good point!

He really is a lovely guy! Totally agree with you about how much fun the man is at cons. He's got some great stories. I'll share some of them from the notes I took of some of his appearances when the rewatch gets to SGA. :)

shelsfc
August 13th, 2011, 02:38 PM
He really is a lovely guy! Totally agree with you about how much fun the man is at cons. He's got some great stories. I'll share some of them from the notes I took of some of his appearances when the rewatch gets to SGA. :)


'Did you get a gig on the Star Trek??' :D :D

garhkal
August 13th, 2011, 04:41 PM
I mean really what is the purpose of going back. Well at least now, It could of been very valuable in any season, but once the series ending in unending, They have all The knowledge of the Asgaurd. I'm sure that the asgaurd gave them what ever is in the library, for when they used to meet there the ancients were still around, so its been how long now.


So we have the Asgard and Ancients knowledge.. This place held info on the Furlings AND Nox as well..

Krisz
August 14th, 2011, 01:42 PM
'Did you get a gig on the Star Trek??' :D :D

Only a brief mention. My notes are from the Vancouver cons he's attended in the last 3 years. I haven't been able to afford to go to any cons in other cities! :(

Matt G
August 14th, 2011, 03:37 PM
It was another Sunday afternoon...another ep of SG1...and I rewatched this ep for the firsttime since then just a few months back. Still...

1. My reaction at seeing Earnest go through the Gate on the 1945 film reel first time round was similar to Jack's.

2. VHSs...damn that takes me back.

3. Of course I had no idea who Paul McGillion was first time around and didn't remember the face well enough when Atlantis started up, so finding out he was young-Earnest and 'then rewatching this ep...pretty cool.

4. Interesting to think that Sam 'also' had history with Catherine at this point...but it makes sense.

5. Earnest's initial reaction was a bit "huh"...but also makes sense given that he had lost the plot to an extent.

6. Heliopolis, like Cimmeria, came accross as a cool idea that wouldn't be built on(though the further reference to Thor was cool, there didn't seem to be much of an arc at this point).

7. And of course, getting the Gate working again provided enough tension.

Another solid ep.

shelsfc
August 14th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Only a brief mention. My notes are from the Vancouver cons he's attended in the last 3 years. I haven't been able to afford to go to any cons in other cities! :(
Ya mean he doesn't tell/get asked to tell that story at EVERY con on that side of the water?? Think I've heard it pretty much every time I've seen him :P It gets slightly longer each time, but it never gets old ;)

I never copped it was the guy who played Ernest when I first saw him in SGA either, it was a bit of a 'holy crap' moment when I saw ToT again and realised it was him :D

DigiFluid
August 15th, 2011, 07:55 AM
I'm really looking forward to re-watching this one. Got it slotted in for Thursday--a nice birthday treat for myself :)

chaddergate
August 15th, 2011, 09:13 AM
Good to see the 1940s footage of them opening the stargate. Top 3 episode from the season.

DigiFluid
August 15th, 2011, 09:28 AM
The best of the season, IMO.

chrono trigger
August 15th, 2011, 09:34 AM
it's my second favourite of season one with my fav being solitudes.

DigiFluid
August 15th, 2011, 09:36 AM
Mmm yes, that's also a terrific choice. Tantalus, Solitudes, and Serpent's Lair are probably my top three from the first season.

LeftHandedGuitarist
August 15th, 2011, 11:56 AM
As everyone has said, a very strong episode which is worlds apart from the cheesy silliness that has come before. I think most people have already said most of what needs saying here, I'll just point out a few observations I had:

- Why make Catherine and her father American? They were (I believe) German in the movie, I can't think of any good reason not to at least have them put on some kind of accents. Later in the episode '1969', doesn't Daniel converse with young Catherine in German? It doesn't make sense to me, and pulls me out of the episode every time I see it, thinking "why aren't they German?".

- Manually dialling the gate is explained here to a small extent, which I found interesting. The gate needs energy before the inner ring will spin freely, and the footage from 1945 clearly shows the gate being turned and chevrons pushed into locking positions.

- I found it odd that Sam placed the energy module right in front of the gate - do they not get realise that anything in the whoosh will get destroyed? Similarly they have power cables wrapped around the ring, so they would have gotten sliced when the gate activated. I guess by that point there is enough power stored in the gate.

- First mention of crystals being a part of ancient technology, but they still don't name the Stargate's material as naquada.

- A bit of a plot contrivance that the castle/building is destroyed in the hour or so after SG-1 arrive despite surviving storms for a very long time beforehand. Things like that always bug me, sloppy writing.

- Loved Daniel's reaction to the guys wanting to destroy the device: "Uh...... NO?"

- A bit of a shame that Catherine and Ernest aren't revisited down the line

- Nice Jack/Daniel interaction, but Teal'c seemed back to the unsettled performance he was a few episodes ago.

Rating: 8.5 out of 10