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Sgt Detritus
November 25th, 2009, 04:56 AM
So, because a talk she had with Spencer, Young asks TJ to chat everyone on board from a psych point of view....


So why on Earth didn't she talk to Spencer first!!!!!!?????? ie give do his evaluation first??

I suppose if the rumours are true about Spencer topping himself in the next episode, the fact that TJ seems not to have evaluated him would allow her to do a bit of guilt acting

Oh, one other thing, during St Ronald of Greer's chat with TJ was it just me or did he seem to suggest that he thought that anyone who wasn't in the military was beneath him?? :mckay:

EllieVee
November 25th, 2009, 05:02 AM
I liked Rush's eval the best.

'No, thank you.'

Heh, and that quirky smile before he shut the door. Man's hilarious.

Sgt Detritus
November 25th, 2009, 05:10 AM
I liked Rush's eval the best.

'No, thank you.'

Heh, and that quirky smile before he shut the door. Man's hilarious.

He's just demonstrating the British working class's attitude to stuff like psychiatry ie that it is a load of old squit :mckay:

IrishPisano
November 25th, 2009, 05:22 AM
He's just demonstrating the British working class's attitude to stuff like psychiatry ie that it is a load of old squit :mckay:

british working class?
i think it's more of the supergenius elitist snobbery than anything else

Captain Obvious
November 25th, 2009, 05:39 AM
british working class?
i think it's more of the supergenius elitist snobbery than anything else

Rush is far from an elitist, he is a working class, salt of the earth type made good. The reason he seems self important is because, well, he has bloody well earned it!

IrishPisano
November 25th, 2009, 05:49 AM
Rush is far from an elitist, he is a working class, salt of the earth type made good. The reason he seems self important is because, well, he has bloody well earned it!

he is NOT salt of the earth
he IS an elitist

you do not need to be born upper class to be an elitist
"being an elitist" is a state of mind

it is a state of mind in which you arrogantly view yourself as vastly superior to nearly everyone else around you while making it a point to inform everyone - directly or indirectly - how you view yourself and how you view them

Mongoletsi
November 25th, 2009, 05:54 AM
He's just demonstrating the British working class's attitude to stuff like psychiatry ie that it is a load of old squit :mckay:
Borlorks mate!

Tabula Rasa
November 25th, 2009, 06:33 AM
IMHO Rush's machiavellian nature is very much in evidence here. He's two steps ahead of everyone else on board and see's no reason to open up his thought processes to others.

aarlin81
November 25th, 2009, 08:40 AM
Hey guys! Please refer to the original topic.

If he's a known problem it may very well sway her reactions to others. Really she could be trying to form a baseline by which to evaluate the rest of the crew.

Maddog316
November 25th, 2009, 08:42 AM
Greer just has daddy issues, Spencer is just Bipolar, like it has been said the group on destiny wasnt chosen for this, everyone is a little crazy, its just to what degree of crazy are ya!

Tuvok
November 25th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Greer just has daddy issues, Spencer is just Bipolar, like it has been said the group on destiny wasnt chosen for this, everyone is a little crazy, its just to what degree of crazy are ya!

Welcome to Destiny.

You don't have to be crazy to work here.

But it doesn't help if you are.

ARealArchaeologist
November 25th, 2009, 02:23 PM
It could also be that she is giving him some space. She has a talk with him, young gives him he'll, and then psych evals are scheduled and he's first? He'd probably lose it right there and think everyone is out to get him.

major davis
November 25th, 2009, 02:24 PM
So, because a talk she had with Spencer, Young asks TJ to chat everyone on board from a psych point of view....


So why on Earth didn't she talk to Spencer first!!!!!!?????? ie give do his evaluation first??

I suppose if the rumours are true about Spencer topping himself in the next episode, the fact that TJ seems not to have evaluated him would allow her to do a bit of guilt acting

Oh, one other thing, during St Ronald of Greer's chat with TJ was it just me or did he seem to suggest that he thought that anyone who wasn't in the military was beneath him?? :mckay:

Well they're would probably be a certified psyciatrist in the first place.

The Prophet
November 25th, 2009, 02:27 PM
Probably avoiding her, or he had some duties to attend to.

Such as guarding the water.

That's all the duties I can think that could be set. Besides regular excersize.

natyanayaki
November 25th, 2009, 03:12 PM
I don't think Greer thinks people who aren't in the military are beneath him, I think he has trust issues with people who aren't in the military.

You know what I can't figure out? Why is Young so convinced that TJ is fine, who is going to evaluate HER? I mean, he should know that it must be emotionally difficult for her, that she just quit her job. I hate the stones, but perhaps the evaluations are where the stones could be useful, 1. they could have an actual psychologist/psychiatrist evaluate the crew on Destiny, 2. The crew could potentially feel more comfortable to be honest, and 3. Someone could actually evaluate TJ. I'm sure there are more reasons...

EllieVee
November 25th, 2009, 07:44 PM
british working class?
i think it's more of the supergenius elitist snobbery than anything else

Oh dear, um, no.

EllieVee
November 25th, 2009, 07:44 PM
Borlorks mate!

Damn my inability to green you for the above!

jds1982
November 25th, 2009, 07:51 PM
I hate the stones, but perhaps the evaluations are where the stones could be useful, 1. they could have an actual psychologist/psychiatrist evaluate the crew on Destiny, 2. The crew could potentially feel more comfortable to be honest, and 3. Someone could actually evaluate TJ. I'm sure there are more reasons...

I agree with this. T.J. with her undergrad Psychology course(s) (probably just Introduction to Psychology) is in no way qualified to do Psych evaluations. If they're going to keep using the stones the least they could do is use them in a semi-productive way, not just to shag people, or go knock out their enemies.

Tabula Rasa
November 26th, 2009, 04:31 AM
I don't think Greer thinks people who aren't in the military are beneath him, I think he has trust issues with people who aren't in the military.

You know what I can't figure out? Why is Young so convinced that TJ is fine, who is going to evaluate HER? I mean, he should know that it must be emotionally difficult for her, that she just quit her job. I hate the stones, but perhaps the evaluations are where the stones could be useful, 1. they could have an actual psychologist/psychiatrist evaluate the crew on Destiny, 2. The crew could potentially feel more comfortable to be honest, and 3. Someone could actually evaluate TJ. I'm sure there are more reasons...


Im sure Young has an intimate knowledge of TJ's mental state. He's got an intimate knowledge of pretty much everything about her really. ;)

Commander Zelix
November 26th, 2009, 05:11 AM
Anyway it was ridiculous to have TJ, which has no psychology training except one course, to hold down psych evaluation. I took them more as a survey of people state of mind than actual psych evaluation. She was more like Gallup survey house than anything else. I wonder what TJ wrote on her evaluation paper:

- Misses his family.
- Happy to have meet Scott
- Stressed out, blames the military for all ills
- Angry about what happened with his father. Don't want to talk about it.

:rolleyes:

malfunction
November 26th, 2009, 06:19 AM
british working class?
i think it's more of the supergenius elitist snobbery than anything else

He is working class based on his background, but he doesn't accept people of a similar background to him not being all they can be. In 'Air pt 3' he was giving Greer an earful for being "angry at the world" and "he would be dead on in jail if it wasn't for the army." Rush expects people to excel at whatever there talents are, what exactly is the wrong with that? An elitist is someone who will always look down on people they few to be less than them, some upper class scientists may look down their noses at Rush.

AndSoItBegins
November 26th, 2009, 07:09 AM
Oh, one other thing, during St Ronald of Greer's chat with TJ was it just me or did he seem to suggest that he thought that anyone who wasn't in the military was beneath him?? :mckay:

I didn't get that all. TJ is technically in the military as well and he was putting her in the same category as those who quite don't get what it is he does (and how they should just be happy to let him do whatever needs to be done). There was no snobbery involved. In fact as far as we know Greer may feel that every member of the crew (including all the military personnel) don't exactly understand where he's coming from.

Jeff-B
November 26th, 2009, 07:18 AM
I don't think Greer thinks people who aren't in the military are beneath him, I think he has trust issues with people who aren't in the military.

You know what I can't figure out? Why is Young so convinced that TJ is fine, who is going to evaluate HER? I mean, he should know that it must be emotionally difficult for her, that she just quit her job. I hate the stones, but perhaps the evaluations are where the stones could be useful, 1. they could have an actual psychologist/psychiatrist evaluate the crew on Destiny, 2. The crew could potentially feel more comfortable to be honest, and 3. Someone could actually evaluate TJ. I'm sure there are more reasons...

From what we've seen, you are correct about Greer. It's not military vs. non-military, he seems to be getting along with Eli who is as non-military as it gets. Greer is different because if he doesn't trust someone he acts on it immediately. Rush on the desert planet, Spencer in the shuttle incident, apparently Telford at some point, etc. Yet in Time, he taught Eli how to use a gun.

I think Wray may have been the better one to do many of the evaluations. Wasn't it mentioned that she was in Human Resources back on Icarus? If I remember correctly, wasn't Wray's first scene in Air talking to TJ about TJ's decision to leave? At least you would think she'd be able to decide which people would be best suited to which "jobs" that need to be done. In real life, people tend to be happier if they can use their talents to do some good for others.

I got the feeling that TJ didn't quit because she didn't like her job, I think she quit because her affair with Young had just ended and that left her in a very uncomfortable situation on Icarus.

AndSoItBegins
November 26th, 2009, 07:19 AM
He is working class based on his background, but he doesn't accept people of a similar background to him not being all they can be. In 'Air pt 3' he was giving Greer an earful for being "angry at the world" and "he would be dead on in jail if it wasn't for the army." Rush expects people to excel at whatever there talents are, what exactly is the wrong with that? An elitist is someone who will always look down on people they few to be less than them, some upper class scientists may look down their noses at Rush.

Well, by Rush making comments about Greer being angry with the world and about Greer being mad because of his economic situation and about how Greer would be in jail if it wasn't for the military, he did come across as elitist in that one scene. He was looking down at Greer just as much as others may have looked down at Rush when he was first starting out. Rush had no more of a clue at that moment at what drove Greer than Greer had at what drove Rush. But Rush chose to look at Greer's economic background, his anger and his choice of the miliatry as a career and thought he could easily peg him. That is a bit elitist IMO. At the very least its arrogant.

malfunction
November 26th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Well, by Rush making comments about Greer being angry with the world and about Greer being mad because of his economic situation and about how Greer would be in jail if it wasn't for the military, he did come across as elitist in that one scene. He was looking down at Greer just as much as others may have looked down at Rush when he was first starting out. Rush had no more of a clue at that moment at what drove Greer than Greer had at what drove Rush. But Rush chose to look at Greer's economic background, his anger and his choice of the miliatry as a career and thought he could easily peg him. That is a bit elitist IMO. At the very least its arrogant.

I think calling him an elitist is a bit o an over statement, but I would agree that he is arrogant. He most likely thinks of himself as one of the smartest men on Earth. Which is why he was so distressed by Eli's solution to the 9th chevron wasn't working, he hates not being able to achieve his goals. Now that he is on the Destiny he probably thinks of himself as the most important person on the ship, I think egocentric is a better description of Rush.

natyanayaki
November 26th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Im sure Young has an intimate knowledge of TJ's mental state. He's got an intimate knowledge of pretty much everything about her really. ;)

Actually, if you think about it, the affair he had with TJ would even further my opinion that he wouldn't know TJ's mental state. He'd be too close to her, and his opinion too biased. Plus because of the drama between the two of them, she'd try her best to hide her feelings from him.

Lauriel
November 26th, 2009, 09:43 PM
I think calling him an elitist is a bit o an over statement, but I would agree that he is arrogant. He most likely thinks of himself as one of the smartest men on Earth. Which is why he was so distressed by Eli's solution to the 9th chevron wasn't working, he hates not being able to achieve his goals. Now that he is on the Destiny he probably thinks of himself as the most important person on the ship, I think egocentric is a better description of Rush.
I think he probably is one of the smartest men on Earth, and also one of the most important people on the ship. Is it arrogant to state a fact? I think his biggest problem with Eli was not so much that Eli was able to solve the problem, but that Eli was treated like the golden child (remember the dinner, and toasts, in the pilot?) where as Rush is still treated with suspicion (albeit most likely deserved suspicion). After all, he's done all of the work leading up to Eli solving the problem, he's the one who thought of and wrote the game Eli solved, and the one who has been invested in the Icarus base/9th Chevron for at least 2 years (I don't remember the exact time line of the Icarus base off the top of my head, sorry).

Rush has been treated with either passive or open hostility from the very beginning, even before he dialed them through to Destiny instead of Earth. I can understand him being adamant that he deserves more respect that he's getting. I can understand that Rush has a difficult personality, and that his motives aren't altruistic, but he is disregarded more than is sensible in many situations given his areas of expertise.




You know what I can't figure out? Why is Young so convinced that TJ is fine, who is going to evaluate HER? I mean, he should know that it must be emotionally difficult for her, that she just quit her job. I hate the stones, but perhaps the evaluations are where the stones could be useful, 1. they could have an actual psychologist/psychiatrist evaluate the crew on Destiny, 2. The crew could potentially feel more comfortable to be honest, and 3. Someone could actually evaluate TJ. I'm sure there are more reasons...
You nailed this one! I agree, totally. Bring in a psychologist and have him/her do the assessments. Professionalism, if nothing else.

Radahldo
November 26th, 2009, 09:49 PM
It would probably make sense to swap in a psychologist. That wouldn't go well, though. As argumentative as evasive everyone was with TJ, who appears to be one of the more empathetic persons on the ship, imagine how taciturn they would be to someone swapped-in.

Lauriel
November 26th, 2009, 10:27 PM
It would probably make sense to swap in a psychologist. That wouldn't go well, though. As argumentative as evasive everyone was with TJ, who appears to be one of the more empathetic persons on the ship, imagine how taciturn they would be to someone swapped-in.

Not necessarily. The whole idea of having a professional is that a) you have more confidence in their abilities and b) confidentiality applies and c) there is the appearance, at least, of impartiality, whereas TJ is there on Young's behalf, and will presumably report back to him.

In many ways, they will have more trust and confidence in a professional who is brought on board for the specific purpose of psych evals, and maybe even to genuinely offer assistance for those who need it.


Edit to add: A psychologist is trained to elicit responses and to gain information even from their arguments and evasions.

Radahldo
November 26th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Some people just have a natural aversion to Psychology. I bet a lot of the people on that ship have it. It would take a lot to that initial hostility and misplaced anger. TJ giving the impression of incompetence probably just strengthened those opinions.

I agree that they were annoyed/fearful that whatever they said would inevitability be getting back to young; i'm sure those thoughts were there in most, and Franklin expressed as much.

But, I do not see how a psychologist would be perceived as less docile, more inclined to help than TJ. Franklin shouts and raves at TJ when she was the one who stitched him up in the first place; considering, I don't see how a body-swapped psychologist would be treated more fairly, no matter how professional they were.

Cold Fuzz
November 26th, 2009, 10:51 PM
Some people just have a natural aversion to Psychology. I bet a lot of the people on that ship have it. It would take a lot to that initial hostility and misplaced anger. TJ giving the impression of incompetence probably just strengthened those opinions.

I agree that they were annoyed/fearful that whatever they said would inevitability be getting back to young; i'm sure those thoughts were there in most, and Franklin expressed as much.

But, I do not see how a psychologist would be perceived as less docile, more inclined to help than TJ. Franklin shouts and raves at TJ when she was the one who stitched him up in the first place; considering, I don't see how a body-swapped psychologist would be treated more fairly, no matter how professional they were.

I think Franklin's hostility towards TJ was not so much about her functioning as a psychologist than her being military. His comments about one of "your people" being responsible for getting shot is a clear indication of the crew severely fracturing: the scientists vs. the military. I think if Camille were handling the interview, Franklin would have responded very differently.

natyanayaki
November 27th, 2009, 12:49 AM
It would probably make sense to swap in a psychologist. That wouldn't go well, though. As argumentative as evasive everyone was with TJ, who appears to be one of the more empathetic persons on the ship, imagine how taciturn they would be to someone swapped-in.

Well, don't swap IN a psychologist, have each Destiny member talk to a psychologist when they swap out. I would think they'd be less trusting of someone they have to live with, despite how kind and sympathetic she is. I mean, there are about 80 people on the ship, it doesn't take long for everyone to get to know each other on some level. I think what Eli said is key, some people might feel awkward telling someone else they've been forced to live with (due to extreme circumstances) exactly how they feel. From what we know, many people have been avoiding TJ; however, there may be better results if before being allowed to see their families, they had to make a quick stop at the psychologist/psychiatrist's office...

escyos
November 27th, 2009, 01:41 AM
Lt Tamara Johanson
Destiny Crew Psychological Evaluations

".....They are all NUTS!"

Cold Fuzz
November 27th, 2009, 01:47 AM
Lt Tamara Johanson
Destiny Crew Psychological Evaluations

".....They are all NUTS!"

".....and they're making me NUTS!"
;)

malfunction
November 27th, 2009, 02:48 AM
I think he probably is one of the smartest men on Earth, and also one of the most important people on the ship. Is it arrogant to state a fact? I think his biggest problem with Eli was not so much that Eli was able to solve the problem, but that Eli was treated like the golden child (remember the dinner, and toasts, in the pilot?) where as Rush is still treated with suspicion (albeit most likely deserved suspicion). After all, he's done all of the work leading up to Eli solving the problem, he's the one who thought of and wrote the game Eli solved, and the one who has been invested in the Icarus base/9th Chevron for at least 2 years (I don't remember the exact time line of the Icarus base off the top of my head, sorry).

It isn't arrogant to state a fact, but Rush's behaviour sometimes is arrogant. In 'Air' before and during the dinner the way he was acting is why I believe he does think a little too much of himself, just as McKay did when we first met him.

EllieVee
November 27th, 2009, 05:04 PM
It isn't arrogant to state a fact, but Rush's behaviour sometimes is arrogant. In 'Air' before and during the dinner the way he was acting is why I believe he does think a little too much of himself, just as McKay did when we first met him.

I'm with Lauriel and BTW, Rush wasn't at the dinner. He walked into the kitchen, heard Eli being feted and here's the interesting bit, Becker handed him a covered take out tray thing of food, clearly indicating that Rush didn't eat in the officer's mess. Why that is, well, a mixture of work and being treated like crap probably does that to you.

Girlbot
November 27th, 2009, 05:12 PM
I can't remember the guys name, but it was the one that told TJ he was so glad they found the planet, cause he was really having a hard time keeping it together. (well it was something like that). Anyway. I think he might be the first person to really crack, go on a rampage and either kill himself or get killed, when he finds out that it was all faked.

Cold Fuzz
November 27th, 2009, 10:34 PM
I can't remember the guys name, but it was the one that told TJ he was so glad they found the planet, cause he was really having a hard time keeping it together. (well it was something like that). Anyway. I think he might be the first person to really crack, go on a rampage and either kill himself or get killed, when he finds out that it was all faked.

That's Dale Volker and yes, he's going to have an interesting journey this season.

Spoilers for "Pain" below:
By the time we get to "Pain" it looks like Volker's going to endure something rather...interesting and violent. This link (http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/wiki/SGU_1.17_%22Pain%22_Episode_Guide) shows some production notes about "Pain." Now this page reveals virtually none of the plot information so nobody really knows the specifics of what's supposed to happen, but if you look at the final two bulleted items in the production notes, you get this:

"Gold star for @PatrickGilmore today. Great, creepy, unsettling work." — Carl Binder, Twitter (September 10, 2009)
"Thanks to @cpbinder for the 'Pain' & the gold star. Crazy last day of the episode. Bruised forehead & an exciting #SGU episode to prove it." — Patrick Gilmore, Twitter (September 10, 2009)

Words like "creepy" and "unsettling" are definitely words that I would never associate with the Volker we know right now. The fact that he ends up with a bruised forehead at the end of "Pain" and the way his performance is described says something. :eek:

mjwalshe
November 28th, 2009, 04:00 PM
He's just demonstrating the British working class's attitude to stuff like psychiatry ie that it is a load of old squit :mckay:

Rush isn't working class that's a fairly posh scotish accent

mjwalshe
November 28th, 2009, 04:05 PM
He is working class based on his background, but he doesn't accept people of a similar background to him not being all they can be. In 'Air pt 3' he was giving Greer an earful for being "angry at the world" and "he would be dead on in jail if it wasn't for the army." Rush expects people to excel at whatever there talents are, what exactly is the wrong with that? An elitist is someone who will always look down on people they few to be less than them, some upper class scientists may look down their noses at Rush.

Rush may come from a working class background but he is Middle class at least. Though the stargate prodcution team do have a bit of a tin ear in that regard look at the way they did the French and British senior diplomats in "disclosure"

mjwalshe
November 28th, 2009, 04:11 PM
british working class?
i think it's more of the supergenius elitist snobbery than anything else

Oh just noticed i'd be carefull calling a Scotsman "British"

mjwalshe
November 28th, 2009, 04:13 PM
I didn't get that all. TJ is technically in the military as well and he was putting her in the same category as those who quite don't get what it is he does (and how they should just be happy to let him do whatever needs to be done). There was no snobbery involved. In fact as far as we know Greer may feel that every member of the crew (including all the military personnel) don't exactly understand where he's coming from.

I suspect that Greer consider's her a REMF ie not as a real "Soldier"

EllieVee
November 28th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Rush isn't working class that's a fairly posh scotish accent

He said his father worked in the shipyards in Glasgow and his accent broadens the more emotional he gets. Speculation: he's modified his accent so people can understand what he's saying, probably dating back to his Oxford days. I had a conversation with someone from Glasgow recently on this who agreed with me on this one.


Rush may come from a working class background but he is Middle class at least. Though the stargate prodcution team do have a bit of a tin ear in that regard look at the way they did the French and British senior diplomats in "disclosure"

Apparently, Robert Carlyle did some variations on his accent for the production team.

Phenom
November 29th, 2009, 03:47 AM
What TJ did could not even be called psych evaluations. Given the fact she has no training in psychology, what she did was simply give her personal opinion on the mental well being of her colleagues. This is a bloody insane thing to do from a leadership perspective. It obviously isn't TJ's fault as she is just trying her best but Young has really lost the plot on this one.

Sonicbluemustang
November 29th, 2009, 07:25 AM
phsych evals should have been done before they ever went to Icarus Base and yes new ones now but should be very extensive imo. :)

nx01a
November 29th, 2009, 07:28 AM
Using the stones to bring a shrink from Earth to do them would be far more sensible.

Rac80
November 29th, 2009, 08:59 AM
I don't think Greer thinks people who aren't in the military are beneath him, I think he has trust issues with people who aren't in the military.

You know what I can't figure out? Why is Young so convinced that TJ is fine, who is going to evaluate HER? I mean, he should know that it must be emotionally difficult for her, that she just quit her job. I hate the stones, but perhaps the evaluations are where the stones could be useful, 1. they could have an actual psychologist/psychiatrist evaluate the crew on Destiny, 2. The crew could potentially feel more comfortable to be honest, and 3. Someone could actually evaluate TJ. I'm sure there are more reasons...


Well, don't swap IN a psychologist, have each Destiny member talk to a psychologist when they swap out. I would think they'd be less trusting of someone they have to live with, despite how kind and sympathetic she is. I mean, there are about 80 people on the ship, it doesn't take long for everyone to get to know each other on some level. I think what Eli said is key, some people might feel awkward telling someone else they've been forced to live with (due to extreme circumstances) exactly how they feel. From what we know, many people have been avoiding TJ; however, there may be better results if before being allowed to see their families, they had to make a quick stop at the psychologist/psychiatrist's office...


Using the stones to bring a shrink from Earth to do them would be far more sensible.

I agree with all the above...this would be a good use of the stones...allow the people trapped to TALK to a real psychiatrist or psychologist. They should be using the stones to get expert help...not have goodbye-sex or go out clubbing.... :rolleyes:

nx01a
November 29th, 2009, 09:00 AM
To be fair... It was more like 'let's stay together long distance' sex.
To be fair... Young isn't on the best terms with Earth right now. Telford thinks he's doing a horrible command job, he's got the IOA and Jack at arm's length following 'Earth'... Maybe he just wants to be as self-sufficient as possible, using the resources on the ship and not relying on Earth? I think that's kinda dumb, but it's a theory. Also, he may not want Earth to know exactly how screwed up the crew is.

jelgate
November 29th, 2009, 09:02 AM
What sex? Their was no sex in Life except for Park's reading

nx01a
November 29th, 2009, 09:05 AM
Rac might have meant Wray and her gf in the shower, but the context of her comment seems to indicate she's referencing 'Earth' where Young/Telford [email protected]#$s the wife and Chloe and her BFF Eli go clubbing.
And even if she did mean 'Life', that's an awful lotta reading Park's doing.

natyanayaki
November 29th, 2009, 12:58 PM
To be fair... It was more like 'let's stay together long distance' sex.
To be fair... Young isn't on the best terms with Earth right now. Telford thinks he's doing a horrible command job, he's got the IOA and Jack at arm's length following 'Earth'... Maybe he just wants to be as self-sufficient as possible, using the resources on the ship and not relying on Earth? I think that's kinda dumb, but it's a theory. Also, he may not want Earth to know exactly how screwed up the crew is.

I'm not going to be fair to Young. If he wants to be cut off from Earth than HE should stop using the stones to stalk the wife he's manipulating. If actually cares about the Destiny crew, and their ability to say goodbye to their loved ones, than he wouldn't have taken Volker's turn (who told TJ during the psych evaluations that he was about to lose it). The writers give us so much of Young's perspective, because they want us to like him, but I think he comes off as selfish, equal to Scott or Chloe, and second only to Telford. I understand that he may not want Earth involved in the psych evaluations, but that would have been far more effective. I even suspect that maybe it would have been better not to have TJ's psych evaluations, they may have done more damage than help.

(Btw, as negative I am about many characters, other than the actors for Matt Scott and Chloe, I think all the actors are doing a great job).

mjwalshe
November 29th, 2009, 02:32 PM
He said his father worked in the shipyards in Glasgow and his accent broadens the more emotional he gets. Speculation: he's modified his accent so people can understand what he's saying, probably dating back to his Oxford days. I had a conversation with someone from Glasgow recently on this who agreed with me on this one.



Apparently, Robert Carlyle did some variations on his accent for the production team.

With varying levels of swearing I would imagine :-)

EllieVee
November 29th, 2009, 03:50 PM
With varying levels of swearing I would imagine :-)

No doubt. :D

natyanayaki
November 29th, 2009, 03:56 PM
No doubt. :D

Is he a swearer??

EllieVee
November 29th, 2009, 04:12 PM
Is he a swearer??

Robert Carlyle? Oh yes, joyously so, in some of the interviews I've heard.

natyanayaki
November 29th, 2009, 05:12 PM
Robert Carlyle? Oh yes, joyously so, in some of the interviews I've heard.

Hehe, I find that hilariously adorable...

Rac80
November 30th, 2009, 07:51 AM
Rac might have meant Wray and her gf in the shower, but the context of her comment seems to indicate she's referencing 'Earth' where Young/Telford [email protected]#$s the wife and Chloe and her BFF Eli go clubbing.
And even if she did mean 'Life', that's an awful lotta reading Park's doing.

I was speaking generally, not one specific ep... :P I have "issues" with how they overall use the LRC. :P

Sgt Detritus
December 1st, 2009, 05:01 AM
Oh just noticed i'd be carefull calling a Scotsman "British"

Calling the Scots British is ok but calling them English really winds them up

Captain Obvious
December 1st, 2009, 03:07 PM
Calling the Scots British is ok but calling them English really winds them up

Heck, the British barely like being called Europeans so I can only imagine what would happen if I called a Scotsman English.

MIZA
December 2nd, 2009, 10:32 PM
i think all of them will say everyone really really wants to get the heck out of there !:rolleyes:

Khentkawes
December 3rd, 2009, 01:05 AM
What TJ did could not even be called psych evaluations. Given the fact she has no training in psychology, what she did was simply give her personal opinion on the mental well being of her colleagues. This is a bloody insane thing to do from a leadership perspective. It obviously isn't TJ's fault as she is just trying her best but Young has really lost the plot on this one.

I completely agree that TJ's "interviews" in no way constitute psych evals, but to be honest... I felt really bad for TJ. As soon as Young gave her that order I thought "how the heck would she know how to do a psych eval?" Based on undergraduate psychology courses, I would have no idea where to start, so I sympathized with TJ's attempts to muddle through it. Not only does she have to try to accomplish Young's orders, but she has no one (as far as we know) who will listen to her talk about how she's handling things.

Young was expecting too much of TJ. I understand Young's motives, but it just showed that he really had no idea how difficult it would be for TJ to do anything close to a real psych eval. I almost got the feeling that Young doesn't know much about psychology or put much stock in it, but he gave the order because it seemed like the thing to do from a human resources standpoint. All in all, a weird decision from Young, but it provided some good character development for TJ and I hope they follow up on how her "evaluations" go with the rest of the crew.

Eternal Density
December 3rd, 2009, 08:35 PM
Robert Carlyle? Oh yes, joyously so, in some of the interviews I've heard.Elyse has quite a mouth too, though when asked about it she would say <the remainder of this post has been bleeped out>