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reformed_Geek
November 22nd, 2009, 05:39 AM
I was so looking forward to this weeks episode as last week ended on what was pretty much a cliff hanger. What did we get instead... another boring episode with the stones. The stones are quickly being the Star Trek holodeck episodes of the SGU.

Last week really was left open... no explanation of how they caught the creatures, created the vanccine... last week was so good even if it did overplay the Blair Witch POV thing.

I have to say I was really disappointed when this episode started so much so, that I turned it off hoping that maybe they'd boardcast the wrong one or something.

It wouldn't have been that hard to have combined what happened in this episode with the tail end of what happened in last weeks episode would it?

Just swear worded me off.

To much drama and not enough action... this is more fo a soap in space than anything else at the moment.

kymeric
November 22nd, 2009, 10:29 AM
I think you have to use your I M A G I N A T I O N. Or i could ruin it for you... they do what the kinos said and saved everybody. See? It wasn't hard.

Iffy
November 22nd, 2009, 10:49 AM
We already have one on of these. Try the link.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=71632

DigiFluid
November 22nd, 2009, 10:53 AM
Why would you need a conclusion to something which was resolved?

Pharaoh Atem
November 22nd, 2009, 10:54 AM
yup scott saved the day

KEK
November 22nd, 2009, 10:55 AM
There was no need for the resolution to be shown, it was obvious what happened next.

maddmike
November 22nd, 2009, 11:34 AM
It may have been obvious what happened but a small finish up wouldn't have hurt.

(y) op

DigiFluid
November 22nd, 2009, 11:36 AM
This isn't Atlantis, 5 years of being treated like I was dumb as a post were quite enough for me.

Coronach
November 22nd, 2009, 12:19 PM
I have to agree with what people have said, in that the conclusion was incredibly obvious and that the dialogue of the end of "Time" explicitly made it not a cliffhanger.

That said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYJiDDdP78

Or try Kino episode 18 on the Stargate MGM website. :)

KEK
November 22nd, 2009, 02:10 PM
It may have been obvious what happened but a small finish up wouldn't have hurt.

(y) op

It would, it would have meant that scenes from other parts of the episode would need to be cut.

Sim
November 22nd, 2009, 02:16 PM
It would've been nice to actually see what happened instead of the writers just going "....and they lived happily ever after" and just went about their business.

The Kino webepisodes are fine I guess, but when they start forcing you to watch them to get conclusion to something the writers should have done in the ACTUAL SHOW then we start having a problem. Extra content is fine, I have no problem with it but we should not be FORCED to get into this extra content for promotional sakes.

s09119
November 22nd, 2009, 02:20 PM
It would've been nice to actually see what happened instead of the writers just going "....and they lived happily ever after" and just went about their business.

The Kino webepisodes are fine I guess, but when they start forcing you to watch them to get conclusion to something the writers should have done in the ACTUAL SHOW then we start having a problem. Extra content is fine, I have no problem with it but we should not be FORCED to get into this extra content for promotional sakes.

They aren't necessary.

Krazeh
November 22nd, 2009, 02:21 PM
You're not forced to get any extra content, it's not at all necessary for following the story line. The story provided all the conclusion that was needed, it was blatantly obvious from the ending that in the next loop they'd have all the information they needed to turn up during the day, catch a couple of creatures and then all live happily ever after. There was no need for anything further to be put in the episode apart from to satisfy the people who apparently need every little thing spelling out for them or they're not happy.

Pharaoh Atem
November 22nd, 2009, 02:22 PM
It would've been nice to actually see what happened instead of the writers just going "....and they lived happily ever after" and just went about their business.

The Kino webepisodes are fine I guess, but when they start forcing you to watch them to get conclusion to something the writers should have done in the ACTUAL SHOW then we start having a problem. Extra content is fine, I have no problem with it but we should not be FORCED to get into this extra content for promotional sakes.

kino 18 only showed eli and scott's reaction to scott's message. nothing more

Count
November 22nd, 2009, 03:01 PM
kino 18 only showed eli and scott's reaction to scott's message. nothing more

....AND Scott saying he and Young went to the planet and captured a bunch of creatures.

...AND Eli saying that people were getting sick but TJ was manufacturing a cure from the venom.

...AND a HEALTHY Riley explaining time travel and how they were able to send the Kinos back in time.

Pharaoh Atem
November 22nd, 2009, 03:44 PM
....AND Scott saying he and Young went to the planet and captured a bunch of creatures.

...AND Eli saying that people were getting sick but TJ was manufacturing a cure from the venom.

...AND a HEALTHY Riley explaining time travel and how they were able to send the Kinos back in time.

which isn't needed to watch the next eop

Count
November 22nd, 2009, 05:00 PM
which isn't needed to watch the next eop

I know, i'm just pointing out to the guy that said the Kino ep only showed Eli and Scott's reactions to the tape, it had much more then that

MattSilver 3k
November 22nd, 2009, 06:23 PM
The Kino webepisodes are fine I guess, but when they start forcing you to watch them to get conclusion to something the writers should have done in the ACTUAL SHOW then we start having a problem. Extra content is fine, I have no problem with it but we should not be FORCED to get into this extra content for promotional sakes.

And yet, anybody with an iota of intelligence would've figured out what the conclusion to Time was, even if they didn't see the Kinosode. And if the casual viewer didn't know about the Kinosodes or that there's an epilogue to Time online, they're not being forced at all.

Lightning Ducj
November 22nd, 2009, 06:35 PM
It was an interesting story-telling decision. Rather than actually showing the audience the final resolution, they pieced together everything that would be needed for the final solution but then didn't show it.

What that allowed was to spend more time within the conflict of the story. Realistically speaking, only about 10 minutes would've been needed to tell the final loop, not *really* enough to form another episode from, and either in "Time" or in a new episode, all you're really doing is walking through the motions of what the audience already knows is going to happen anyway.

So rather than show the final resolution, they used to the entire running time to put together all the pieces needed for the solution and left it for the viewer to determine that the natural solution that had been set up was actually played out.

As I said, an interesting story-telling decision. A bit risky because you're relying on the audience to fill out the the rest (the obvious) but I think worth it for what it allowed in terms of extra time

I'll admit, it caught me. I've become used to using the clock to know where in the story we are, at least on SG:C, so extending out the conflict of the story by an extra ten minutes or so caught me in mis-anticipating the story direction. Rather refreshing actually

kymeric
November 22nd, 2009, 07:08 PM
And for once the rest of the world wont be laughing at us for having to be spoon fed every single thing in a story.

DigiFluid
November 22nd, 2009, 07:12 PM
And for once the rest of the world wont be laughing at us for having to be spoon fed every single thing in a story.
Well, most of us anyway.

Briangate78
November 22nd, 2009, 07:14 PM
This isn't Atlantis, 5 years of being treated like I was dumb as a post were quite enough for me.

Seriously, lay off the SGA bashing. :S So you are saying SGA fans were dumb?

Replicator Todd
November 22nd, 2009, 07:14 PM
I want more episodes to end like "Time" did.

KEK
November 22nd, 2009, 07:15 PM
To be fair, with SGA they did get to a point where they tried to cram so much into a single episode that about 80% of the show was exposition, 19% action and a measly 1% for the characters :o

Lightning Ducj
November 22nd, 2009, 07:16 PM
I want more episodes to end like "Time" did.

Based on what I stated above about the end of Time as a story telling decision and how it worked out, I would agree

Pharaoh Atem
November 22nd, 2009, 07:18 PM
I want more episodes to end like "Time" did.

green

Rac80
November 22nd, 2009, 07:20 PM
To be fair, with SGA they did get to a point where they tried to cram so much into a single episode that about 80% of the show was exposition, 19% action and a measly 1% for the characters :o

it was to give mckay something to do...all the talking..:rolleyes:


as to how it "ended"....scott sent the kino back....had sex with chloe.... watched the kino with eli....had sex with james....Tj manufactured the cure (and now I understand why people think meds cost too much...they are not that easy to make-- try ten years of testing alone....) then SHE had sex with scott while eli explained her making the drug....riley talked about time travel...while chloe and james compared notes....then eli had chloe AND james at the same time......:eek:.... while young and TJ got it on.... see easy enough to figure out! :lol:

DigiFluid
November 22nd, 2009, 07:21 PM
Seriously, lay off the SGA bashing. :S So you are saying SGA fans were dumb?
No. I said the powers behind SGA, in using that vehicle, treated us like we were all children with the attention span of a gnat.

Pharaoh Atem
November 22nd, 2009, 07:22 PM
it was to give mckay something to do...all the talking..:rolleyes:



to david's defense to a point

no one else on the cast could understand the situation and explain. he was the only only one. otherwise nothing would make sense

Briangate78
November 22nd, 2009, 07:23 PM
No. I said the powers behind SGA treated us like we were all children with the attention span of a gnat.

I guess I am a child with an attention span of a gnat because I liked what I was watching and thought it was very entertaining and made me think.

erotavlas
November 22nd, 2009, 07:43 PM
as to how it "ended"....scott sent the kino back....had sex with chloe.... watched the kino with eli....had sex with james....Tj manufactured the cure (and now I understand why people think meds cost too much...they are not that easy to make-- try ten years of testing alone....) then SHE had sex with scott while eli explained her making the drug....riley talked about time travel...while chloe and james compared notes....then eli had chloe AND james at the same time......:eek:.... while young and TJ got it on.... see easy enough to figure out! :lol:

yeah...that sounds about right. :)

HAL2100
November 22nd, 2009, 08:24 PM
So did they actually show on screen the crew of Destiny *finally* capturing one of the creatures and saving everyone? or do we just have to assume that they did?

MattSilver 3k
November 22nd, 2009, 08:27 PM
So did they actually show on screen the crew of Destiny *finally* capturing one of the creatures and saving everyone? or do we just have to assume that they did?

Assume it. Time ended without a To Be Continued note, and everything we need to know has been told to us very specifically. Connect the dots and everything's gravy.

(And for us Internet folks, there was a Kinosode which was an epilogue to Time, showing the third timeline finding the Kinos and discussing having caught the creatures... But the Kinosode is not needed to be seen to still draw conclusions about Time.)

DigiFluid
November 22nd, 2009, 08:56 PM
So did they actually show on screen the crew of Destiny *finally* capturing one of the creatures and saving everyone? or do we just have to assume that they did?
Why would they waste the time and effort? The solution was obvious at the end of "Time".

Lahela
November 23rd, 2009, 12:27 AM
The issue of spoon feeding resolutions was certainly not exclusive to SGA - it has been a defining feature of a large chunk of American TV for a very long time. And the reason? Well, look at all the people here who are complaining about not actually seeing what was so obviously going to happen in Time. People don't like to have to think once the closing credits roll. They want *forces fingers to type that most hideous of words* closure.

EllieVee
November 23rd, 2009, 12:42 AM
The issue of spoon feeding resolutions was certainly not exclusive to SGA - it has been a defining feature of a large chunk of American TV for a very long time. And the reason? Well, look at all the people here who are complaining about not actually seeing what was so obviously going to happen in Time. People don't like to have to think once the closing credits roll. They want *forces fingers to type that most hideous of words* closure.

All to do with dumbing things down so the lowest common denominator understands it and buys an advertiser's product in abject gratitude.

Mongoletsi
November 23rd, 2009, 01:57 AM
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=71651

Exactly the same question.

Anybody posting below this deserves red :D

Eternal Density
November 23rd, 2009, 02:08 AM
SG-1 had an ep that didn't show the resolution. The second part of tje two parter that started with Summit, with the symbiote poison.

abstractrobbie
November 23rd, 2009, 02:13 AM
Why would they waste the time and effort? The solution was obvious at the end of "Time".

Hey, half the time the solution is obvious in most episodes, we know that by the end of how ever many series SGU lasts for they will eventually get home, so why waste the time and effort making the series... Lets just jump to the end and assume it right now eh. geeez

The way they put it together suggested there was more to come, regardless of what may or may not seem obvious. The fact they left it hanging said there was going to be a twist, then was deflated the following week. I have defended SGU so far, but no more, from "Time" to the next episode "Life" was like building up to a big orgasm and then missing. SGU is starting to loose my interest now, it just gets going and then falls back on its backside. I enjoyed watching the character building for the first few episodes, when we got to "Water" I thought here we go, strap in, for things seem to be really getting going, the following episode just dropped right off again back to where we had been. Time was great and I got ready for some great TV, waiting with anticipation to see what could possibly happen next, and hurrah, we are back to the slow pace again.
I hate to say this after everything I have said before and people I have knocked for slagging the show but SGU is really starting to get very tiring and boring, if this is what is in store for the rest of the season I highly doubt I will see it to the end, or at least I most definitely will not be in any hurry to watch season 2. I guess I'll just wait and see what next week brings but at the moment, Stargate is loosing its appeal completely, I'm really not interested in who's trying to poke who's wife while the hubby is away, who is gay or whatever, im interested in what should be a good sifi show. Next week they find a body and realize they have a murderer, hmmm I wonder who that is going to be... So should they have bothered making the episode ????

Mongoletsi
November 23rd, 2009, 02:14 AM
No. I said the powers behind SGA, in using that vehicle, treated us like we were all children with the attention span of a gnat.I guess I am a child with an attention span of a gnat because I liked what I was watching and thought it was very entertaining and made me think.
It was certainly very entertaining, however it became horribly convoluted; far too much in one episode, saved by some last-minute science, or superhuman heroics. At points it kinda insulted one's intelligence, don't you think? Albeit in an entertaining way.

SGU on the contrary (currently) seems a lot smarter.

Deevil
November 23rd, 2009, 02:17 AM
I think it was clear that they got the Kino, learnt how to save themselves - The End.

I didn't get the impression there was more to come, and I didn't expect it at all.

Commander Zelix
November 23rd, 2009, 02:19 AM
From now on, there won't even be an episode. One character will just explain what will happen in the episode. We will have to imagine the rest. :D Better yet, read the synopsis on the web and imagine the episode yourself in your head. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I like the ending. But I thought it would also be a 2 parters. Obviously in such episode, Scott's plan would have encountered some difficulty, drama and peripety, like any episode.

KEK
November 23rd, 2009, 02:23 AM
Hey, half the time the solution is obvious in most episodes, we know that by the end of how ever many series SGU lasts for they will eventually get home,

Do we? Because I really don't see that happening.


so why waste the time and effort making the series... Lets just jump to the end and assume it right now eh. geeez

Uh, Digifluid just said the opposite to that. It's the journey that's important, not the obvious conclusion (if there is one).



The way they put it together suggested there was more to come, regardless of what may or may not seem obvious. The fact they left it hanging said there was going to be a twist, then was deflated the following week.

No it didn't, the vast majority of the audience interpreted the scene correctly. There have only been a handful of people here so far that didn't understand that the story had been resolved.

Skydiver
November 23rd, 2009, 05:43 AM
Guys, lose the SGA talk please

this is about SGU

s09119
November 23rd, 2009, 06:07 AM
I think the confusion may come from the fact that Universe's multi-part episodes don't end with "To Be Continued," so in cases like this where it may be ambiguous if there's more coming next week, some people get a little lost. I don't think anything more was needed, but the writers really may want to consider reminding people which installments will be continued later and which ones are self-contained.

Rac80
November 23rd, 2009, 02:38 PM
I think the confusion may come from the fact that Universe's multi-part episodes don't end with "To Be Continued," so in cases like this where it may be ambiguous if there's more coming next week, some people get a little lost. I don't think anything more was needed, but the writers really may want to consider reminding people which installments will be continued later and which ones are self-contained.

It's a soap!!! the storyline never ends......

Pareeeee
November 24th, 2009, 07:04 AM
I keep hearing about these Kinosodes - where can I watch them?

They should have followed up somehow on TELEVISION instead of on the internet. "Life" was a POC episode. I'm not sure if I'm even going to keep watching SGU if it keeps on like this. It's not Stargate, it's a soap opera. If I wanted a soap I would have watched a SOAP...I want S T A R G A T E!!!!

ok my rant is done. I think I'm going to go watch my SG-1 dvd's now and make myself happy with stargate again. lol. Nothing like the original, eh? :jack: :daniel: :tealc: :sam:


Being a trekkie as well as a gater, I see a pattern (Stargate Universe = Star Trek: Enterprise)

KJ Gould
November 24th, 2009, 03:43 PM
I only watched it once, but uhh ... I could have swore it said "to be continued" at the end. Or maybe I'm just trippin' balls.

So we'll assume they caught the creatures during the day with no incident, and used the venom to vaccine everyone of the alien bacteria (or whatever) in the water supply.

Not the best of storytelling methods since it wasn't immediately clear a resolution was made and we're left only to assume.

Darren
November 24th, 2009, 04:18 PM
For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble.

Pharaoh Atem
November 24th, 2009, 04:19 PM
For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble.

next time the server crashes i'm stealing that :D

drfyzziks
November 24th, 2009, 04:34 PM
I just had a thought about the whole "use your imagination" thing, and would like to take a little poll:

Of those who felt that there should have been a concrete ending to the Time episode: how many of you are avid readers?

From the friend I've talked to about this ep, it seems that the ones who are happiest with the ending as-is are also big into reading novels, etc... whereas the ones who want the ending given to them tend to be less likely to be into reading.

Just wondering if this is unique amongst the group of people I work with, or if it's common to the people in this discussion thread as well?

strods
November 24th, 2009, 04:40 PM
the entire sci-fi genre has been historically episodic... if you focus on time travel stories then that episodic-ness gets even worse... I for one am quite happy that they spared us the third run happy ending reality. I think is was kind and a little clever to add it as a Kino clip. A way to please everyone.
"Okay, we have 43 minutes of good stuff. What do we want to do?.... Um . . . Let's be different and show the 3rd trip through the time line and spend more time on the entertaining parts.

Oh you're going to upset people!

Fine, then we'll show a happy ending for in a Kino clip to make everyone happy."

This is one kino clip that I hope they are smart and add in the box set when they release SGU DVD.

EllieVee
November 24th, 2009, 09:48 PM
I just had a thought about the whole "use your imagination" thing, and would like to take a little poll:

Of those who felt that there should have been a concrete ending to the Time episode: how many of you are avid readers?

From the friend I've talked to about this ep, it seems that the ones who are happiest with the ending as-is are also big into reading novels, etc... whereas the ones who want the ending given to them tend to be less likely to be into reading.

Just wondering if this is unique amongst the group of people I work with, or if it's common to the people in this discussion thread as well?

I always have around 5 books on the go at any given time. I also read a number of newspapers each day, watch the news/current affairs programs, etc. But more pertinent to me perhaps is that my writing and editing training was very show don't tell, use words sparsely but make them count.

kmiller1610
June 13th, 2012, 07:10 AM
It's an inside baseball episode. Anyone tuning in to check out gate for the first time is pretty much out of luck, unless they are really sharp and focused.