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Stabby
November 22nd, 2009, 01:46 AM
I thought Scott's and that psychologist's (can't remember her name, sorry!) relationships with people on Earth were great and realistic. But Young's was and always has been just annoying on so many levels. It's exactly the kind of soap-opera-I-could-get-this-on-any-terrible-drama-show plot that I hate every time it finds its way into an episode (which is pretty much every episode).

Gah! Enough with it already! I liked Young's character before he started acting like he did in this episode. Now every time I think of him I think of his "scandalous" actions back on Earth (never jump to conclusions, surely a colonel would know this?).

Anyone else feel the same way?

majatt
November 22nd, 2009, 10:13 AM
Yeah, to me they ruined it. For a military commanding officer he has the restraint and sense of priority of a horny teenager. People on destiny are trying to talk to him about something that is CLEARLY important and he is stomping around trying to figure out who cut short his whoopass, which after he had time to calm down about still proceeded to complete. As a result of him being just another character who is not likable (imo) its difficult to care about the object of his affection who he occasionally bones in somebody else's body.

kymeric
November 22nd, 2009, 10:35 AM
I like it. Hes so even headed and a great leader on destiny but is terrible with women. I couldnt picture Hammond effing one of his subordinates and then kicking the hell out of another officer for birddogging his wife. But Hammond was perfect, larger than life. Thats why he has a multi billion dollar ship named after him. Ive never done anything like that, I have however been in Youngs situation with his womenz, and now hes alittle more real to me than a larger than life icon like weve had before.

thekillman
November 22nd, 2009, 10:41 AM
*sigh*

he had an affair with TJ for an *obviously* short time. his wife found out, they stopped etc and they buried it.

telford and Young don't see eye to eye and well, they hate eachother, and well, Telford is digging up and throwing mud.

no i do not hate it.

maddmike
November 22nd, 2009, 11:28 AM
In short, no.

I am starting to get more aggravated as it goes on because i realize now that SGU isn't going to be anything like SG1 and SGA. I can't think of one thing in this episode that got me excited. I agree the story is good bla bla bla but it's not Stargate anymore.

Briangate78
November 22nd, 2009, 11:31 AM
Besides the conflict on the Destiny like with Rush and Young which were great, the Young and his wife scenes and conflicts were actually entertaining unlike the other scenes on Earth.

Someone needs to airlock those stones, lol.

retiredat44
November 22nd, 2009, 12:09 PM
I don't need to watch that stuff,, I want SGU, not a soap opera that is bs,.... the military would never allow these people to do this stuff.. those people would have never even gotten close to the Gate program without being checked to see if they were totally insane, which these people appear to be..

beafly
November 22nd, 2009, 12:17 PM
No. You're not the only one.

OutandAboot
November 22nd, 2009, 12:19 PM
I am starting to get more aggravated as it goes on because i realize now that SGU isn't going to be anything like SG1 and SGA.

I can't see why people still are confused about this. No one said it was going to be like SG-1 and SGA.

thekillman
November 22nd, 2009, 12:23 PM
lots of people even in SG1 were insane or at least, not normal. but they have qualities that are needed.

Young is a fine commander. it's just that we're in abnormal situations. they're not in a city in pristine conditions with plenty of power and within a few weeks range of earth. they're not surrounded by the best of the best, they do not have lots of comforts that atlantis had.

it's still stargate, it's a different stargate. i believe that over time, it will more and more find a place of its own, and i think it can only get better.

may i also remind that most people in SG1 never HAD any wives or husbands or family to be mad at?

O'neill: divorced, dead son.

Carter: no mom, angry father, angry brother

Teal'c: traitor of the goauld, wife hated him.

Jackson: no parents, no brothers, and the freak of the earth.

Cam Mitchell: parents, no wife or children

Vala: father she hated, mother dead or missing or so. wanted or hated.

Quinn: betrayed his people, no wife, no kids.


and SGA:

Sheppard: divorced.
Mckay: no wife, no kids.
Ford: unknown, but i bet no wife and kids.
Teyla: no husband (well, later on husband and kid)
Ronon: dead wife, no kids.


Gen. Hammond: no wife (i believe dead, only has grandchildred as Nr. 1 on his red
phone).

Landry: wife (who hated him), kid (adult, who disliked him).

Weir: husband, probably divorced as he didnt like her leaving and indicated he had another.


so there aren't a lot of married people and not a lot of people with parents or kids.

so, they introduce ONE commander who does more with his wife than looking at her picture, and suddenly it's all bad.

icarus was supposed to be easy, instead it all went wrong and he ended up FAR away.

scott has impregnated a girl (and the only man on stargate previously that managed to impregnate ANYONE was Daniel, who did it with a goauld queen)

Chloe has sex. well, she's the first woman to show that. mckay is un-social enough to never do it with keller. and it was never implied either.


so hey, the first woman to be successfull on stargate.

oh next. right, eli got "friendzoned" as people call it. well, he's the first too.


i'm sorry that we're going for realism

thekillman
November 22nd, 2009, 12:26 PM
I can't see why people still are confused about this. No one said it was going to be like SG-1 and SGA.

i distinctly remember buzzwords and trailers and sneakpeaks shouting "DARKER" "EDGIER", even " SCI FI REINVENTS THE GATE" "A DIFFERENT STARGATE". "AN ORIGINAL SERIES"
"DIFFERENT" "STAND ALONE"


so yes, i agree with you. i really do not see why people would STILL have the hope that it's gonna be more like SG1 and SGA, when every producer, writer, actor etc has said that it's gonna be different.


i gotta say i like it. not too big a fan of the sex scenes. but i do not hate them. love the return to SG1 humor and the abandonment of SGA humor

Rosehawk
November 22nd, 2009, 12:30 PM
I don't hate it but it's a storyline that really isn't working for me.

Young's marriage is in trouble, it was before he ended up on Destiny. Young knows he messed up by having an affair, he wants to try to make it work but deep down he knows he isn't going to be able to save the marriage as he is not there to work through the details with his wife and Telford is running interference as Telford knows that Young's wife is vulnerable right now. Young has gotta be angry that he isn't there to work things out.

Great idea for a story conflict but somehow it just isn't working for me...I think it is how they are using the stones in this storyline. The storyline feels forced.

Alan Wake
November 22nd, 2009, 12:35 PM
I like this side story, it adds conflict to both the life on the ship, and on earth.

Jeff O'Connor
November 22nd, 2009, 12:49 PM
I don't much like it, but that has a lot to do with not being impressed with Young's wife. The performance seems so standard issue to me, everything about it. That hurts the already-rather-iffy nature of the subplot.

I also agree that I like Young less now that he's doing all of this. I liked him a fair bit before, but now he's mid-tier or so. I want another man as strong-willed and believable-when-he-falls as William Adama. I was hoping Young would be something vaguely similar but stand on his own as a well-rounded and likable character. While it's true that his command is still compelling, we don't see enough of him as a leader because we're subjected to him as a married man on a mission.

wargrafix
November 22nd, 2009, 12:50 PM
I like it. Hes so even headed and a great leader on destiny but is terrible with women. I couldnt picture Hammond effing one of his subordinates and then kicking the hell out of another officer for birddogging his wife. But Hammond was perfect, larger than life. Thats why he has a multi billion dollar ship named after him. Ive never done anything like that, I have however been in Youngs situation with his womenz, and now hes alittle more real to me than a larger than life icon like weve had before.

Hammond was a cardboard cutout character. People are complex.

Jeff O'Connor
November 22nd, 2009, 01:02 PM
Hammond was a cardboard cutout character. People are complex.

I never found Hammond all that cardboard, really. I saw him evolve from a much more sidelines perspective. I watched him debate the moralities and importance of orders versus compassion versus a whole slew of other things. I saw this transpire for seven seasons, in fact.

I thought Hammond was neither cardboard nor less believable than Young.

eonflux
November 22nd, 2009, 01:20 PM
This is show is so retarded there are no words to express it. Combined with all the flaws in it makes just enough for me to watch it because there is nothing else at the moment similar I can watch.

But to the point. The whole Young relationship is crap because there is no trust. You telling me that you are going to believe a man who come in your house telling you a ****load of stuff about your husband who is lightyears away and can't defend himself and believe it? When the trust is gone better say bye bye because whatever you do or don't do wont help get it back
How old are these people supposed to be... adults? Well they don't act like it. This is more 15y old drama lama here say crap story. Probably tailored for that age group anyways. And seriously all these people walking around telling people about the Gate program... yeah right. I can see how important security is at the moment.

prion
November 22nd, 2009, 01:29 PM
I never found Hammond all that cardboard, really. I saw him evolve from a much more sidelines perspective. I watched him debate the moralities and importance of orders versus compassion versus a whole slew of other things. I saw this transpire for seven seasons, in fact.

I thought Hammond was neither cardboard nor less believable than Young.

Eh, the whole Young-TElford triangle would work very well on Lifetime...

ChrisSThomas
November 22nd, 2009, 01:39 PM
In short, no.

I am starting to get more aggravated as it goes on because i realize now that SGU isn't going to be anything like SG1 and SGA. I can't think of one thing in this episode that got me excited. I agree the story is good bla bla bla but it's not Stargate anymore.

I somewhat agree. I loved SG1 and SGA for their adventerous energy and larger than life plots. The shows also had great character development even if the characters weren't true to real life. SGU has been great but lacks something Stargate because the focus is so much on making the characters real and not on adventures. The closest we have gotten to a SG franchise so far was Time so we can only hope for more adventure/scenario based stories.

I also am finding a hard time with the lack of exploration that is being revealed to us aboard the ship. In SG1 and SGA we were always learning something new about the Ancients, Goa'ould, Ori, Wraith, Replicators, Asgard, etc. I think they should throw the fans a bone and reveal something great about the ship that will add to the whole franchise canon.

Blackhole
November 22nd, 2009, 01:40 PM
Yeah, to me they ruined it. For a military commanding officer he has the restraint and sense of priority of a horny teenager. People on destiny are trying to talk to him about something that is CLEARLY important and he is stomping around trying to figure out who cut short his whoopass, which after he had time to calm down about still proceeded to complete. As a result of him being just another character who is not likable (imo) its difficult to care about the object of his affection who he occasionally bones in somebody else's body.

I don't agree.

Young is stuck on a ship with 80+ miserable poorly equipped lonely people. Supplies are nearly non-existent; there is constant danger and very few comforts. He has the very difficult and unenviable task of trying to keep moral up and everyone working together. Can anyone think of a more desperate and undesirable situation?

Couple his present circumstances with the fact that he has had an affair. It is over; he regrets it and still loves his wife. He has already indicated strongly, that the knowledge that she is there to return to is what is keeping him going. He knows he has screwed up and that Emily still doesn’t trust him. He is lonely and very frustrated by his limited ability to patch things up with her.

Now introduce Telford, who is a mean vindictive jerk, whom he has just found out is taking advantage of his separation and his wife’s distrust to falsely tell her he is still having the affair.

Flash to the present, he has abruptly returned to Destiny with this discovery fresh on his mind and is hit with more pressing bad news - Rush has lied about the Icarus type planet. I think he deserves to be cut some slack for not wanting to immediately deal with the issue. Young is under tremendous pressure and given the circumstances, I think he has done an admirable job so far.

maddmike
November 22nd, 2009, 01:51 PM
I can't see why people still are confused about this. No one said it was going to be like SG-1 and SGA.

I am not confused, i just didn't expect it to be so different. Surprised if anything.

Blackhole
November 22nd, 2009, 02:36 PM
lots of people even in SG1 were insane or at least, not normal. but they have qualities that are needed.

Young is a fine commander. it's just that we're in abnormal situations. they're not in a city in pristine conditions with plenty of power and within a few weeks range of earth. they're not surrounded by the best of the best, they do not have lots of comforts that atlantis had.

it's still stargate, it's a different stargate. i believe that over time, it will more and more find a place of its own, and i think it can only get better.

may i also remind that most people in SG1 never HAD any wives or husbands or family to be mad at?

O'neill: divorced, dead son.

Carter: no mom, angry father, angry brother

Teal'c: traitor of the goauld, wife hated him.

Jackson: no parents, no brothers, and the freak of the earth.

Cam Mitchell: parents, no wife or children

Vala: father she hated, mother dead or missing or so. wanted or hated.

Quinn: betrayed his people, no wife, no kids.


and SGA:

Sheppard: divorced.
Mckay: no wife, no kids.
Ford: unknown, but i bet no wife and kids.
Teyla: no husband (well, later on husband and kid)
Ronon: dead wife, no kids.


Gen. Hammond: no wife (i believe dead, only has grandchildred as Nr. 1 on his red
phone).

Landry: wife (who hated him), kid (adult, who disliked him).

Weir: husband, probably divorced as he didnt like her leaving and indicated he had another.


so there aren't a lot of married people and not a lot of people with parents or kids.

so, they introduce ONE commander who does more with his wife than looking at her picture, and suddenly it's all bad.

icarus was supposed to be easy, instead it all went wrong and he ended up FAR away.

scott has impregnated a girl (and the only man on stargate previously that managed to impregnate ANYONE was Daniel, who did it with a goauld queen)

Chloe has sex. well, she's the first woman to show that. mckay is un-social enough to never do it with keller. and it was never implied either.


so hey, the first woman to be successfull on stargate.

oh next. right, eli got "friendzoned" as people call it. well, he's the first too.


i'm sorry that we're going for realism

Very good recap. I fully agree with you.

SGU is much more realistic. The characters have problems and make mistakes. People have sex, sometimes with people other than their spouses. Most people are self-serving and heroes are pretty rare. I very much enjoyed the altruism of SG-1 and SGA. Larger than life characters were fun and inspiring. SGU is darker and soapier. A little soap can be o.k. if it is well written. I am happy to say that the grittiness of the show and the complexity and moral ambiguity of the characters and their real life problems are starting to grow on me.

Count
November 22nd, 2009, 03:04 PM
Ford had his grandparents and his cousin that Sheppard visited after they returned to Earth. "Since Aiden's parents died, we were raised like brother and sister", remember?

Neway,

The story is a bit interesting, but they're focusing too many Earth episodes on this. They should be focusing on the other side of this relationship, TJ and Young, at this stage. We can't empathise with either of them really, until we get the whole story about their troubled marriage

Hibblette
November 22nd, 2009, 03:28 PM
You're not alone.

I don't think he's a great commander and using the excuse that he has all these poor miserable people to look out for so he has to have an escape-that just ....

If the Colonel cannot put his personal life to the side while he is in command of people in crisis then he is not fit for command. And it has already been mentioned they were trying to talk to him about something VERY important and he wasn't going to listen. He didn't get to beat the crap out of Telford. And by the way how selfish is this that he just clearly doesn't care about the persons body he is in and the damage that Telford could do to it. Or is he hoping Telford won't do any damage?

I absolutely abhor Colonel Young. I don't think he's a good commander. And it is shown constantly in this show. He wants to know about the psych evaluation of the crew from TJ but he doesn't want her to give him one. It doesn't work like that in the military. If a commander cannot have confidence in his psych evaluation then he is a problem.

Of course the whole body swapping thing is just way out of control.

And as far as this show not being like SG-1 or SGA, that's fine but...they need to make it of quality and not crap.

And in my opinion this stuff is just bad.

SG-1 and SGA had quality writing. I didn't always agree with the writers choices but I could always say good writing-well thought out.

This stuff is just not thought out. I feel like most of the sex is gratuitous, the storyline of survival takes a back seat as does the whole science fiction that this show is really suppose to be about.

This last ep was definitly a soap opera-in fact I think I saw this ep on General Hospital back in the 80's.

SSJPabs
November 22nd, 2009, 03:34 PM
Meh, I like this series quite a bit. A lot more than SGA for example, but I'm starting to wonder if maybe Teleford isn't right and Young is unsuited to be in command. The use of the communication stones really sucks. They shouldn't have had those.

If anything, they should have found them hidden on the ship. That way they can be saved until the writer's need them.

Giantevilhead
November 22nd, 2009, 05:27 PM
This isn't really a matter of realism, it's a matter of priorities. It doesn't matter whether or not the characters have families, what matters is if the writers choose to focus on those families. SGU is a sci-fi action show, that's what the show should focus on. Just because SGU characters have more familial and personal problems than SG1 and SGA characters doesn't mean that it should play a major part in the story. Superman is married too but people don't buy Superman comics to read about his relationship with Lois, they buy Superman comics to see Superman fight against supervillains.

DetriusXii
November 22nd, 2009, 07:08 PM
Very good recap. I fully agree with you.

SGU is much more realistic. The characters have problems and make mistakes. People have sex, sometimes with people other than their spouses. Most people are self-serving and heroes are pretty rare. I very much enjoyed the altruism of SG-1 and SGA. Larger than life characters were fun and inspiring. SGU is darker and soapier. A little soap can be o.k. if it is well written. I am happy to say that the grittiness of the show and the complexity and moral ambiguity of the characters and their real life problems are starting to grow on me.

Yes. I'm sure SGU is much more realistic. I'm sure that a real world military would grant us a license to do pretty much as we desired with another person's body. *rolls eyes*.

A little soap can't be okay when it's putting the host body in danger of physical harm. This is still using the military as part of the plot. The show needs to respect the institution's policy, rather than break it whenever it needs to expand a character.

And that's where Hammond was vastly superior to Young. He was the bridge between the fictional world of SG1 and the real world military. We didn't need to know anything more of him other than that he was a competent bureaucratic that needed to resolve complex decisions when they arose. SG1 felt like a military unit with Hammond in the show. Giving the major characters freedom with their host's bodies is breaking that reality. The military would have created bureaucratic procedures long ago to prevent this abuse.

kymeric
November 22nd, 2009, 07:12 PM
I can't see why people still are confused about this. No one said it was going to be like SG-1 and SGA.

Actually they SPECIFICALLY said it WOULD NOT BE sg1 or sga. But still some seem confused.

Heres a new show thats nothing like stargate before.

WTF THIS ISNT ANYTHING LIKE STARGATE WAS BEFORE THEY LIED TO US!

...

Pharaoh Atem
November 22nd, 2009, 07:19 PM
the one thing teleford could do is kill young's wife ....thus hurting young and there would be nothing he could do about it while being stuck on destiny

Rac80
November 22nd, 2009, 08:01 PM
Eh, the whole Young-TElford triangle would work very well on Lifetime...

LOL or the soap channel! ;) the drama...who is sleeping with whom? who knows about it? revenge? or tears?....stay tuned for another episode of "as the stargate turns".....

Col.Foley
November 22nd, 2009, 08:05 PM
I have reached the conclusion it is...well a it is a bit unfair to judge this now, we have not seen the continuation and conclusion of it, it could yet provide a lot of relief....like when Young beat the daylights out of Telford. And he still could get back toghther with his wife.

Though the only reason Telford is doing this is for spite.

jcainhaze
November 22nd, 2009, 08:10 PM
It's ok but takes up way to much time. I don't know what the heck is wrong with Young. TJ is way better looking than his wife. Plus TJ is stuck on Destiny with him. He should leave his wife for Telford to deal with.

Blackhole
November 22nd, 2009, 08:57 PM
It's ok but takes up way to much time. I don't know what the heck is wrong with Young. TJ is way better looking than his wife. Plus TJ is stuck on Destiny with him. He should leave his wife for Telford to deal with.

That certainly would simplify his life and keep him from sleeping alone.

Blackhole
November 22nd, 2009, 09:04 PM
Yes. I'm sure SGU is much more realistic. I'm sure that a real world military would grant us a license to do pretty much as we desired with another person's body. *rolls eyes*.

A little soap can't be okay when it's putting the host body in danger of physical harm. This is still using the military as part of the plot. The show needs to respect the institution's policy, rather than break it whenever it needs to expand a character.

And that's where Hammond was vastly superior to Young. He was the bridge between the fictional world of SG1 and the real world military. We didn't need to know anything more of him other than that he was a competent bureaucratic that needed to resolve complex decisions when they arose. SG1 felt like a military unit with Hammond in the show. Giving the major characters freedom with their host's bodies is breaking that reality. The military would have created bureaucratic procedures long ago to prevent this abuse.

A lot of people seemed really bothered by the whole body swap thing and feel the recipient’s personal rights have often been violated. Talk of rape and risk of pregnancy, STD’s, food allergies, and other possible injuries have validly been made. The show really hasn’t clarified what the rules are for the swaps and what activities would be prohibited. Realistically, every recipient would probably have different tolerances for different activities but I would expect that most people wouldn’t be happy if their body had sex or got into a brawl or went out drinking and got hammered. In real life clear guidelines would need to be created and if someone violated them they would probably lose their visitation privileges.

My point is that SGU is a sci-fi soap opera it is not SG-1 or SGA. The characters are flawed; they have fears and desires and make mistakes. A big part of the show has been and will continue to be devoted to the unfolding drama between the characters - much more than was ever done in SG-1 and SGA episodes. The problem as I see it, with having and enforcing proper rules for body swaps is not that it is not well deserved but that it would remove much of the drama that the show needs for its stories. There would be very little dramatic need for swaps, if nothing interesting happen during them. Seeing characters fight and have sex makes for much better drama. I would be very much surprised if the writers ever codified the whole swap process for this very reason.

Overlooking the transgressions that routinely occur during swaps is something viewers are going to have to be able to move past if they are to enjoy the show. Every work of fiction requires the viewer/reader to have to suspend disbelief to a certain degree. If the story asks more than what the viewer is comfortable with then they may choose to vote with their feet.

I loved SG-1 and SGA they are among my favorite sci-fi series. SGU is a lot different. I am happy to say that the grittiness of the show and the complexity and moral ambiguity of the characters and their real life problems are starting to grow on me. Hopefully it will for others as well.

Alexandria7
November 22nd, 2009, 09:14 PM
Yes, I'm waiting for the season finale promo to be like this...

Next week on Maury Povich...two men, one baby, who's the father?

Young's wife: (screaming at Telford) You're my baby's daddy!
Telford: Girl, I don't know what you talking about, I technically didn't sleep wit you. The DNA test is beeped up. I might be da father, but I'm technically not da father.

Maury: (over loud sobbing and the crashing of chairs) And we'll also find out who will be child support.

Yep, I have a major problem with this body switching thing, besides the fact that it confuses the heck out of me on occasion.

Blackhole
November 22nd, 2009, 09:20 PM
Yes, I'm waiting for the season finale promo to be like this...

Next week on Maury Povich...two men, one baby, who's the father?

Young's wife: (screaming at Telford) You're my baby's daddy!
Telford: Girl, I don't know what you talking about, I technically didn't sleep wit you. The DNA test is beeped up. I might be da father, but I'm technically not da father.

Maury: (over loud sobbing and the crashing of chairs) And we'll also find out who will be child support.

Yep, I have a major problem with this body switching thing, besides the fact that it confuses the heck out of me on occasion.

Great post Alexandria7, I laughed out loud when I read it!

Ouroboros
November 22nd, 2009, 09:24 PM
Someone needs to airlock those stones, lol.

This, a thousand times this. The stones are the single worst thing about the series right now. If I wanted to watch a relationship drama set on Earth well, I would. It's not like that type of content is particularly hard to find on TV these days. Real Sci-fi on the other hand...

It also irritates me the way they decided to represent the effect by swapping actors when the minds swap. It would be way more interesting if you didn't know just who was inhabiting a given person's body at a given time. That could actually lead to some really interesting situations, especially if someone or something else could theoretically break into the network somehow and hijack control of a person this way.

You could even use this method to introduce truly alien and frightening aliens without having to worry about how the FX budget would work out or how cheesy the prosthetics would look.

Replicator Todd
November 22nd, 2009, 09:32 PM
I like Young's sideplot, especially after the ending conflict in Life between him and Telford.

Nightfighter89
November 22nd, 2009, 10:26 PM
Chloe has sex. well, she's the first woman to show that. mckay is un-social enough to never do it with keller. and it was never implied either.


Untrue. They boinked right after the end of Brainstorm. And given the way that scene was played you know it wasn't the only time.

Nightfighter89
November 22nd, 2009, 10:27 PM
the one thing teleford could do is kill young's wife ....thus hurting young and there would be nothing he could do about it while being stuck on destiny

That would get his ass thrown deep into some secret military prison pretty fast.

jcainhaze
November 23rd, 2009, 01:18 AM
Yes, I'm waiting for the season finale promo to be like this...

Next week on Maury Povich...two men, one baby, who's the father?

Young's wife: (screaming at Telford) You're my baby's daddy!
Telford: Girl, I don't know what you talking about, I technically didn't sleep wit you. The DNA test is beeped up. I might be da father, but I'm technically not da father.

Maury: (over loud sobbing and the crashing of chairs) And we'll also find out who will be child support.

Yep, I have a major problem with this body switching thing, besides the fact that it confuses the heck out of me on occasion.

Heehee das funny. There's gotta be a rule that says "No having sex with another persons body". I did think it was cool though when Camille Wray made a comment to her wife about how the body she was in had different sensations and felt different. Even food/wine tasted different. I've always wondered if chicken to me tastes like carrots to someone else....but we both just call it chicken because we don't know any different. Could be an interesting experience

Candy88
November 23rd, 2009, 04:37 AM
Hammond was a cardboard cutout character. People are complex.

I completely disagree with that. It ties in with the whole rubbish line that somehow constant drama scenes about silly relationships and "who's cheating with who" storylines are somehow more "complex", "adult" and "educated" than previous Stargate focuses.

SG-1 and SG-A had huge mythologies and ongoing background plots involving ascended ancient races, various rising and falling empires all interacting with each, preying on each others strength and weaknesses, to create an amazingly rich tapestry, which was the main reason I - and I suspect many others - absolutely love the show.

SG-U's background is more like something out of 90210 or one of the many other teen dramas out there, the "rich tapestry" is "have those two slept together yet or not" and "oh, they hate each other because his ex cheated with him". To claim that somehow makes for more complex & intelligent watching than SG-1/SG-A is just plain absurd.

jelgate
November 23rd, 2009, 05:18 AM
I completely disagree with that. It ties in with the whole rubbish line that somehow constant drama scenes about silly relationships and "who's cheating with who" storylines are somehow more "complex", "adult" and "educated" than previous Stargate focuses.

SG-1 and SG-A had huge mythologies and ongoing background plots involving ascended ancient races, various rising and falling empires all interacting with each, preying on each others strength and weaknesses, to create an amazingly rich tapestry, which was the main reason I - and I suspect many others - absolutely love the show.

SG-U's background is more like something out of 90210 or one of the many other teen dramas out there, the "rich tapestry" is "have those two slept together yet or not" and "oh, they hate each other because his ex cheated with him". To claim that somehow makes for more complex & intelligent watching than SG-1/SG-A is just plain absurd.

Apples to oranges. You are comparing seasons of SG-1 (or SGA) to 9 episodes of SGU. Of course their will be more then the previous series

Saquist
November 23rd, 2009, 05:27 AM
I thought Scott's and that psychologist's (can't remember her name, sorry!) relationships with people on Earth were great and realistic. But Young's was and always has been just annoying on so many levels. It's exactly the kind of soap-opera-I-could-get-this-on-any-terrible-drama-show plot that I hate every time it finds its way into an episode (which is pretty much every episode).

Gah! Enough with it already! I liked Young's character before he started acting like he did in this episode. Now every time I think of him I think of his "scandalous" actions back on Earth (never jump to conclusions, surely a colonel would know this?).

Anyone else feel the same way?


No you're not.
It's improving...
but I still hate it....

Egle01
November 23rd, 2009, 05:27 AM
I don't mind Young/his wife storyline. It got pretty intense in "Life". Hopefully someone dumps somebody and Young can go back to TJ. :):D

Just sayin'.

MediaSavant
November 23rd, 2009, 06:01 AM
Am I the only one who hates thread titles that start with "Am I the only one who..."?

Seriously.

Blackhole
November 23rd, 2009, 06:07 AM
Heehee das funny. There's gotta be a rule that says "No having sex with another persons body". I did think it was cool though when Camille Wray made a comment to her wife about how the body she was in had different sensations and felt different. Even food/wine tasted different. I've always wondered if chicken to me tastes like carrots to someone else....but we both just call it chicken because we don't know any different. Could be an interesting experience

I agree. It would be a very interesting experience to swap bodies especially across gender. Imagine really seeing and experiencing all aspects of how the other half lives.

thekillman
November 23rd, 2009, 06:18 AM
i think the stones are fine, but i definately think that the HWC will restrict usage.

i personally would've done a different approach. using some form of technology (one unit found in atlantis, the other on the destiny, or so), the people on earth can appear on the destiny as a hologram. one that doesn't constantly flicker.

the amount of people is limited (say, 3) and the amount of people appearing on earth is limited too (same amount).

people can walk around, but not physically interact. they can help but not perfectly

Hallowed are the...
November 23rd, 2009, 06:24 AM
i'm sorry that we're going for realism

Next you'll tell me that Reality TV is realism.

That is the problem many of us have. The schlocky SG1 and SGA were more realistic if for only the reason that the bad behavior of these folks would have DISQUALIFIED them from the gate program from the start. T.J. and Scott notwithstanding, you know the gate program has ceased to behave like a real organization within the US military and the international community - charged with the safety of the human race in TWO galaxies - when they are hiring based on being a brilliant game playing dropout, or a brilliant nihilistic scientist, or a violent knuckle-dragger.

At the least Chloe is believable as the gobsmacked stranger since she WAS qualified to serve as a Senators aide and WAS in the wrong place at the wrong time. Everyone else who was there, by virtue of the fact that they were hand picked to work off worldafter passing a battery of psychological and physical preparedness/intelligence tests, were the right people in the right place at the wrong time.

That little touch of un-reality puts this series in its place as being as unrealistic as brilliant scientist saves the day fare. These losers (the characters are well acted and the stories are getting better, but the characters were created to be the misfits of the gate program, therefore 'losers') simply would not exist in a reality where Jack O'Neill-s and George Hammond-s lead a military organization that works with Daniel Jackson-s and Rodney McKay-s.

And I'm tired - from all of the crappy reality television out there, and soapy dramas - of being told that absurd, ignorance fueled drama is "realistic."

Rac80
November 23rd, 2009, 08:41 AM
I completely disagree with that. It ties in with the whole rubbish line that somehow constant drama scenes about silly relationships and "who's cheating with who" storylines are somehow more "complex", "adult" and "educated" than previous Stargate focuses.

SG-1 and SG-A had huge mythologies and ongoing background plots involving ascended ancient races, various rising and falling empires all interacting with each, preying on each others strength and weaknesses, to create an amazingly rich tapestry, which was the main reason I - and I suspect many others - absolutely love the show.

SG-U's background is more like something out of 90210 or one of the many other teen dramas out there, the "rich tapestry" is "have those two slept together yet or not" and "oh, they hate each other because his ex cheated with him". To claim that somehow makes for more complex & intelligent watching than SG-1/SG-A is just plain absurd.

I heartily concur. I enjoyed how SG1 presented us with the characters...a bit at a time and within a season or two we not only knew more about them but we had come to care about them. sgu is as subtle as your average soap...hitting us over the head with TMI about characters that I don't care about. :P I will agree with your 90210 comparison and admit I find it highly amusing that "more mature" to TPTB, is that which titilates a teenager.... let's get some real mature subjects... is young's wife in danger of losing her home because he is gone? do they have kids? is one using drugs? how about eli's mom- is she dying? None of this obsession with sex. having been married for 28 + years I will say sex is important still, but not the be-all and end-all of my marriage. There is a deeper connection than sex that comes with maturity, thus far this show hasn't shown it, and I doubt it will.

Alarria
November 23rd, 2009, 10:16 AM
You're not alone.

I don't think he's a great commander and using the excuse that he has all these poor miserable people to look out for so he has to have an escape-that just ....

If the Colonel cannot put his personal life to the side while he is in command of people in crisis then he is not fit for command. And it has already been mentioned they were trying to talk to him about something VERY important and he wasn't going to listen. He didn't get to beat the crap out of Telford. And by the way how selfish is this that he just clearly doesn't care about the persons body he is in and the damage that Telford could do to it. Or is he hoping Telford won't do any damage?

I absolutely abhor Colonel Young. I don't think he's a good commander. And it is shown constantly in this show. He wants to know about the psych evaluation of the crew from TJ but he doesn't want her to give him one. It doesn't work like that in the military. If a commander cannot have confidence in his psych evaluation then he is a problem.

Of course the whole body swapping thing is just way out of control.

And as far as this show not being like SG-1 or SGA, that's fine but...they need to make it of quality and not crap.

And in my opinion this stuff is just bad.

SG-1 and SGA had quality writing. I didn't always agree with the writers choices but I could always say good writing-well thought out.

This stuff is just not thought out. I feel like most of the sex is gratuitous, the storyline of survival takes a back seat as does the whole science fiction that this show is really suppose to be about.

This last ep was definitly a soap opera-in fact I think I saw this ep on General Hospital back in the 80's.

Fantastic writeup and I agree with what you said 100%. It's getting really old to hear that all of this sex, who's sleeping with who, body-swapping stuff is more realistic. Maybe I'm just a prude but I enjoyed the way relationships were handled in SG-1 and SG-A.


I completely disagree with that. It ties in with the whole rubbish line that somehow constant drama scenes about silly relationships and "who's cheating with who" storylines are somehow more "complex", "adult" and "educated" than previous Stargate focuses.

SG-1 and SG-A had huge mythologies and ongoing background plots involving ascended ancient races, various rising and falling empires all interacting with each, preying on each others strength and weaknesses, to create an amazingly rich tapestry, which was the main reason I - and I suspect many others - absolutely love the show.

SG-U's background is more like something out of 90210 or one of the many other teen dramas out there, the "rich tapestry" is "have those two slept together yet or not" and "oh, they hate each other because his ex cheated with him". To claim that somehow makes for more complex & intelligent watching than SG-1/SG-A is just plain absurd.

:indeed:

koroush47
November 23rd, 2009, 06:45 PM
I thought Scott's and that psychologist's (can't remember her name, sorry!) relationships with people on Earth were great and realistic. But Young's was and always has been just annoying on so many levels. It's exactly the kind of soap-opera-I-could-get-this-on-any-terrible-drama-show plot that I hate every time it finds its way into an episode (which is pretty much every episode).

Gah! Enough with it already! I liked Young's character before he started acting like he did in this episode. Now every time I think of him I think of his "scandalous" actions back on Earth (never jump to conclusions, surely a colonel would know this?).

Anyone else feel the same way?

I feel like this show is turning into a Mtv drama..

Or some kinda soap opera my mom would watch, like general hospital or something like that.

Were is the shooting and killing? Enough with the stupid relationships.

Buck32
November 24th, 2009, 01:41 AM
I thought Scott's and that psychologist's (can't remember her name, sorry!) relationships with people on Earth were great and realistic. But Young's was and always has been just annoying on so many levels. It's exactly the kind of soap-opera-I-could-get-this-on-any-terrible-drama-show plot that I hate every time it finds its way into an episode (which is pretty much every episode).

Gah! Enough with it already! I liked Young's character before he started acting like he did in this episode. Now every time I think of him I think of his "scandalous" actions back on Earth (never jump to conclusions, surely a colonel would know this?).

Anyone else feel the same way?

I agree this is exactly the kind of crap i thought we'd be getting when TPTB told us this show would focus on characters and relationships, enough already!!! can we get a plot? a story?? something other than this soap opera stuff.

g.o.d
November 24th, 2009, 01:44 AM
it makes him(and other SGU characters as well) more human than any other character in SG-1/SGA.

thekillman
November 24th, 2009, 08:03 AM
Next you'll tell me that Reality TV is realism.

That is the problem many of us have. The schlocky SG1 and SGA were more realistic if for only the reason that the bad behavior of these folks would have DISQUALIFIED them from the gate program from the start. T.J. and Scott notwithstanding, you know the gate program has ceased to behave like a real organization within the US military and the international community - charged with the safety of the human race in TWO galaxies - when they are hiring based on being a brilliant game playing dropout, or a brilliant nihilistic scientist, or a violent knuckle-dragger.

At the least Chloe is believable as the gobsmacked stranger since she WAS qualified to serve as a Senators aide and WAS in the wrong place at the wrong time. Everyone else who was there, by virtue of the fact that they were hand picked to work off worldafter passing a battery of psychological and physical preparedness/intelligence tests, were the right people in the right place at the wrong time.

That little touch of un-reality puts this series in its place as being as unrealistic as brilliant scientist saves the day fare. These losers (the characters are well acted and the stories are getting better, but the characters were created to be the misfits of the gate program, therefore 'losers') simply would not exist in a reality where Jack O'Neill-s and George Hammond-s lead a military organization that works with Daniel Jackson-s and Rodney McKay-s.

And I'm tired - from all of the crappy reality television out there, and soapy dramas - of being told that absurd, ignorance fueled drama is "realistic."

i'm not saying that all is realistic. but non-perfect characters are better than the SG1 and -the biggest violator- SGA perfect characters

GhostPoet
November 24th, 2009, 12:14 PM
At first I thought the storyline was interesting, but I feel after this last episode it's run it's course. Move on...anymore scenes would just feel bland and uninteresting.

Jeff-B
November 24th, 2009, 04:01 PM
I think this storyline could be over and done with using one short scene: General O'Neill transferring Telford to Antarctica. Permanently. Or maybe to Leavenworth. There's another thread that lists all the military rules Telford has broken, not to mention I'm sure there is a rule against telling a civilian( clearance or not) who exactly is on this "top secret mission". In real life, didn't our previous Vice President and some of his staff get in serious legal trouble for allegedly "outing" a CIA agent?

Maxum
November 24th, 2009, 05:16 PM
I don't hate the Young subplot. So I don't agree with you. I DO think that the writers need to do more than just use the stones every episode, but I believe they are trying to give you the emotional background of the characters. Frankly, Young's subplot is the only interesting one, imo, because his storyline ties Telford to the story, and he is part of the Stargate world.

I like the tension between Telford and Young, and it's even better when they are in the same scene together. I do, however, feel that maybe it's time for them to get rid of Young's wife. She feels that he is still sleeping with TJ, even though he isn't, and I'm not sure if he can convince her again that he is not cheating. So, if that's the case, let's just move Young's story along. I agree with others that I see him having much more chemistry with TJ. However, I can hear the fanboys complaining from here if the writers ever choose to hook up Young with TJ.

I like the somewhat realistic aspects of SGU. These are lonely people who are also dedicated to their jobs. It doesn't mean that they are perfect and are suppose to make every "right" decision without fail. That's nuts.

Young is my favorite character.

Pharaoh Atem
November 24th, 2009, 05:17 PM
That would get his ass thrown deep into some secret military prison pretty fast.

yes but he would hurt young and that's all he cares about right nwo

the fifth man
November 24th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Personally, I don't mind this subplot at all. Actually, it has gotten pretty good now. Young is starting to become my favorite character very quickly.

CarnalPIE
November 24th, 2009, 09:26 PM
i'm sorry that we're going for realism

"we're"? Are you involved with the show's production in some way or am I reading too much into your word choice?


Actually they SPECIFICALLY said it WOULD NOT BE sg1 or sga. But still some seem confused.

Heres a new show thats nothing like stargate before.

WTF THIS ISNT ANYTHING LIKE STARGATE WAS BEFORE THEY LIED TO US!

...

Well, to be fair, it's happened before. Remember how we were going to get lotsa answers in the X-Files finale or that Clark Kent would never fly in Smallville? Two things I don't trust: promos for an upcoming episode of any series ... and things said by show runners who are hyping an upcoming season. LMFAO


Where is the shooting and killing? Enough with the stupid relationships.

LMFAO! That quote should be on a t shirt PRONTO! I'd buy that shirt!

Ouroboros
November 25th, 2009, 03:00 AM
I think to be fair to both sides of the issue they did try to stress that while SGU would be different and more mature than it's predecessors it would still "feel like Stargate".

Now granted I was never a big fan of what that quoted phrase came to mean as the series went on but I can understand why people who took those kind of comments to heart would feel a bit misled.

It really doesn't feel much at all like SGA or later SG-1, I actually personally consider that one of it's strong points though.

I had hoped that when they talked about a more mature tone they had more planned than just more sex and relationship stuff though. I wanted something more like real moral and ethical issues examined in a more mature context. It's easy to just add in sex and call it more mature.

Candy88
November 25th, 2009, 11:02 AM
Gah! Enough with it already! I liked Young's character before he started acting like he did in this episode. Now every time I think of him I think of his "scandalous" actions back on Earth (never jump to conclusions, surely a colonel would know this?).

Anyone else feel the same way?

Agreed. The Young / Telford / Wife sidestory was the only part of this otherwise great episode that I did not like (wasn't too keen on the "psych-eval" bits either but they weren't nearly as irritating).

I thought this episode - and the last - had started to drive the series away from the silly "teen drama" feel of the first few - pretty awful - episodes. People on the ship actually seemed to notice they were on a giant alien space ship and started actually doing things. Even the other two "earth" stories had a bit more about them, but the Young / Telford story was just more of the same juvenile-level drama.

Ancient alien spaceships that can make near instantaneous inter-galactic travel and were obviously launched for some hugely significant reason - is a new and interesting concept; some guy trying to sleep with some other guy's peeved off wife, is most definitely not a new or interesting concept.

nx01a
November 25th, 2009, 03:23 PM
Hate it. It's petty and childish.
And it's a really weird threesome, too. :D

Linda06
November 26th, 2009, 12:53 PM
The Young/Wife scenes bore me to tears :S I wish someone would break those damn stones cause they are beginning to annoy me now :mckay:

Mitchell82
November 26th, 2009, 05:54 PM
I like Young's sideplot, especially after the ending conflict in Life between him and Telford.

Same here. Telford so had that coming.

Buck32
November 26th, 2009, 06:25 PM
The Young/Wife scenes bore me to tears :S I wish someone would break those damn stones cause they are beginning to annoy me now :mckay:


There's nothing wrong with the stones they just don't have to use them every episode, and to go to Earth. Let's see more interesting plots or just A plot!! rather than everyone's relationships woes.

AvanGard
November 27th, 2009, 02:51 AM
I am just trying to picture Sheppard trying to beat up his ex's husband.
Or even Jack in similiar position. Then I remember that they were actually a part of a sci fi adventure series call Stargate.


According to SGU writters its very easy to sleep with other peoples' wifes. You just pretend you are their husband in this mans' body and presto.
I am going to try that. Thank you SGU.

Linda06
November 27th, 2009, 03:06 AM
There's nothing wrong with the stones they just don't have to use them every episode, and to go to Earth. Let's see more interesting plots or just A plot!! rather than everyone's relationships woes.

This I could live with ;) If they just didn't use them so much, I could cope with that :) And if there was more of a reason for using them that didn't involve their personal stuff. They really need to start toning that part down a bit now.

Whitering
November 28th, 2009, 05:05 PM
No, you are not the only one hating this relationship triangle bullcrap the writers are doing. How many triangles, quadrangles do you need on the show?

Badhron
November 28th, 2009, 07:45 PM
No

bluedaisy
December 1st, 2009, 04:19 PM
I agree - the relationship drama is ruining the show for me. The reason certain characters from previous series have been so successful is that they were more complex than finding the next pleasure. And I don't remember EVER having to cover my eyes while crying out that my eyes are burning during any episode of either previous series.

I'm giving it a few episodes to redeem itself...if it doesn't then I'll be without a good sci-fi show till "Eureka" comes back around next year. ~sigh~

PLEASE stop letting everyone use the stones for personal visits!
I just can't leave this post without saying that no-one sane would let another person inhabit their body and do the things these people have been doing. And what happened to the Stargate part of the show? They hardly ever use the thing really...it's a minimal side-note. They could have just as easily made this show a stand-alone series with shuttles to get to the planets and made up a different method of stranding them in space on a derelict ship. Oh wait...that was called "Voyager" and was much more tastefully done.

MIZA
December 2nd, 2009, 10:10 PM
No i also hate it too, what kind of woman does that sort of thing!! i think they should take it out or Young should just divorce his wife



personally i would do much worse

Spimman
December 4th, 2009, 03:24 PM
Without reading everything, I hate it also. I really wish this show was a little less Earth based and more ship based...a 50% reduction in Earth time would be good.

Lord Hurin
December 4th, 2009, 06:42 PM
I really love this show and where it could go, but I have to say that I also can't stand Young's pining over his wife and Telford's backstabbing.

The biggest slap in the face for me was that I was just beginning to like Young a LOT when all of a sudden he becomes a douche. The more I think about the sex in another body thing, the more I grow to dislike it, from a plot standpoint. It's just unrealistic, I don't care what anyone says. Ladies, if some random guy in a military uniform showed up at your door pretending to be your estranged husband, would you even let him in? I wouldn't.

Then there's the fact that Young is being unfair to the rest of his crew. After knowing that Volker was on edge, he kicks the poor guy out of rotation to visit Earth just so he can kick the crap out of a fellow USAF Colonel? That's unprofessional on many levels. Flawed characters are one thing, but unlikeable characters are something I can't deal with. Young is coming off as a real jerk now, who doesn't seem to give a damn about getting his crew home.

X-3-0-2
December 8th, 2009, 06:53 AM
It's ok but takes up way to much time. I don't know what the heck is wrong with Young. TJ is way better looking than his wife. Plus TJ is stuck on Destiny with him. He should leave his wife for Telford to deal with.

I also think its time for him to admit the relationship with his wife is over

Saquist
December 8th, 2009, 09:05 AM
Same here. Telford so had that coming.

I don't know how anyone could be interested in this unless you're
A. A Peeping Tom
B. A Busy body.

natyanayaki
December 12th, 2009, 02:38 PM
I really love this show and where it could go, but I have to say that I also can't stand Young's pining over his wife and Telford's backstabbing.

The biggest slap in the face for me was that I was just beginning to like Young a LOT when all of a sudden he becomes a douche. The more I think about the sex in another body thing, the more I grow to dislike it, from a plot standpoint. It's just unrealistic, I don't care what anyone says. Ladies, if some random guy in a military uniform showed up at your door pretending to be your estranged husband, would you even let him in? I wouldn't.

Then there's the fact that Young is being unfair to the rest of his crew. After knowing that Volker was on edge, he kicks the poor guy out of rotation to visit Earth just so he can kick the crap out of a fellow USAF Colonel? That's unprofessional on many levels. Flawed characters are one thing, but unlikeable characters are something I can't deal with. Young is coming off as a real jerk now, who doesn't seem to give a damn about getting his crew home.

Woah! How were you able to post all of my opinions???

Matt G
December 16th, 2009, 02:30 PM
I really love this show and where it could go, but I have to say that I also can't stand Young's pining over his wife and Telford's backstabbing.

Ladies, if some random guy in a military uniform showed up at your door pretending to be your estranged husband, would you even let him in? I wouldn't.


Last I checked, some would.


Then there's the fact that Young is being unfair to the rest of his crew. After knowing that Volker was on edge, he kicks the poor guy out of rotation to visit Earth just so he can kick the crap out of a fellow USAF Colonel? That's unprofessional on many levels.

Fair point that he was denying Volker stone time. Other than that, beating the crap out of Telford was petty but doesn't affect anyone else on the Destiny.