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kinseySG
November 21st, 2009, 04:57 PM
i thought chloe was dead o.0?

escyos
November 21st, 2009, 05:02 PM
that was an ALTERNATE time line, not our one

Skydiver
November 21st, 2009, 05:14 PM
nothing in Time really happened in this timeline. Nothing we saw in the screen exists as anything but a story for them. what they likely did was find the kinos, get the critters during hte day, fixed the water and all is well

and, with my mod hat on, folks, when you make threads, try to give them titles that make sense and tell people what the thread is about. Just calling this thread 'what' tells people nothing about it and makes it more likely that it'll just get merged into something else or shut down.

I have people mad at the mods for merging threads, and we'll try not to, but you need to do your part as well and make your thread titles make sense. If you choose not to do that,, fine, but I don't want to see anyone upset when their vaguely titled thread gets merged

Trelak
November 22nd, 2009, 05:49 AM
it was confusing, you see them die, and scott send that kino trough and the episode stops, and the next episode all is well and no mentions about the water at all.

renboy
November 22nd, 2009, 07:18 AM
If you want a nice closure for last week's episode, that will explain everything nicely - just watch Kino episode #17 - where Eli and Scott explain everything.

thekillman
November 22nd, 2009, 07:43 AM
it was obvious what was gonna happen. the 3rd timeline would find two kino's, watch what is on them. one with full databanks, the other with barely filled databanks. so they watch the non-filled one, see the message of Scott, and they go off in daytime, go to the nest, capture or kill some critters, and then go back with the venom. TJ dilutes some of the venom and titrates it on some human infected blood. that way she finds out the dosage needed, and she can inject it to everyone, and everyone is saved

aarlin81
November 22nd, 2009, 08:26 AM
If you want a nice closure for last week's episode, that will explain everything nicely - just watch Kino episode #17 - where Eli and Scott explain everything.

I think you mean #18 "A New Kind of Crazy"

It actually contains a HUGE plot hole. The Kino containing the video footage of Chloe dying should not have crossed over into the new (current) time line.

Pharaoh Atem
November 22nd, 2009, 08:28 AM
timeline 1 destiny crew goes to planet and dies and leaves a kino


timeline 2 destiny crew finds kino and watches themselves die one by one. and realizes that there's something in the water their found a couple eps back. scott leaves kino explaing the whole issue. and how to fix it


timeline 3 team finds kino and now knows that the planet is dangerous and how to solve the issue with the water. and no one is dead.

renboy
November 22nd, 2009, 08:48 AM
I think you mean #18 "A New Kind of Crazy"

It actually contains a HUGE plot hole. The Kino containing the video footage of Chloe dying should not have crossed over into the new (current) time line.

That doesn't have to be a plot hole - for all we know, Scott sent the Kino a bit later in time then the original Kino found on that planet - so the original Kino was already there when the new Kino Scott sent arrived, and the altered timeline did not effect it's existence.

As I show in this wonderfully drawn schematics:
http://i48.tinypic.com/27wr9xh.jpg

Trelak
November 22nd, 2009, 09:52 AM
Okay thanks guys, i'll check out those kino episodes asap

aarlin81
November 22nd, 2009, 03:37 PM
That doesn't have to be a plot hole - for all we know, Scott sent the Kino a bit later in time then the original Kino found on that planet - so the original Kino was already there when the new Kino Scott sent arrived, and the altered timeline did not effect it's existence.

As I show in this wonderfully drawn schematics:
http://i48.tinypic.com/27wr9xh.jpg


The solar flare is a fixed event. It will happen at the same time in each time line. For the wormhole to interact with the flare an be sent back to a that point in time it would have to also be exact. This is why Scott checks his watch. Otherwise the exit time period of the new wormhole would be random.

I did finally figure it out though. If the wormhole is open at the same time in each time line the wormholes would loop back to the exact point in each one. This would also mean that they would intersect, but that's not really vital. Both Kinos would essentially arrive at the same point in time at roughly the same time. The wormholes would be established at the same time but it depends on how long until Scott threw it through.

Eternal Density
November 24th, 2009, 03:22 PM
There's no way of knowing whether the flare was a single event that caused the wormhole to jump back in time or whether it was more of a fluctuation.

And actually, Chloe is a ghost. It's all part of the setup for the upcoming Ghost Hunters crossover that's planned to inject some of the GH's high ratings into SGU.

Quadhelix
November 25th, 2009, 01:32 PM
The solar flare is a fixed event. It will happen at the same time in each time line. For the wormhole to interact with the flare an be sent back to a that point in time it would have to also be exact. This is why Scott checks his watch. Otherwise the exit time period of the new wormhole would be random.
Firstly, the two Kinos were sent back at different times: the one Scott deliberately sent back in time ("Save yourselves," etc.) was sent back almost as soon as the solar flare began, whereas the other one was sent back many hours after the solar flare began.

Furthermore, it would seem that the solar flare was sending things X hours back in time: when the "first" Kino was sent back, it found Rush's body already lying there. (Note that X is probably on the order of thousands of hours)

However, it was already established in Continuum that objects in a wormhole are shielded against changes in the timeline, so it is not an unreasonable assumption to say that the Kino was protected.

Nova69
November 25th, 2009, 04:11 PM
Last week, 'Time' ended with Lieutenant Scott desparately sending a message via a Kino back in time in the hope the crew's past selves somehow receive it and correct what his team failed to do in time to save everyone who are dying from a mysterious illness they contracted through the water the've been drinking. All of this whilst under attack by some killer-bugs or whatever they were - which ironically held the key to their salvation. Cassic Stargate? YES! Brilliant Cliffhanger? YES! Guarantee I tuned in this week? ABSOLUTELY!

Just what did the next episode 'Life' begin with? Everybody is fine and well, no mention of the illness in the water and most annoyingly - there was no Bloody Resolution to what happened!!! I've never been more PO'ed in my life!

Before I continue and you all point this out to me, I just wanna say I'm well aware that there is a 3-minute 'Kino Webisode' that explains what happened and also that it would have been sort of obvious how the episode would have gone...the Kino being picked up on the planet when they made their way there for the third time and them following the instructions it carried to the letter (maybe even messing it up again and having to send ANOTHER one, who knows?). Still I honestly believe that would have made a VERY good episode and a very exciting two-parter...potentially being one of the better ones they have ever done. As it stands now it makes sod all sense whatsoever, almost as if there is an episode missing!

The Kino episodes are a good little addition to the series I agree but they should only be 'add-ons' to the episodes, not vital to the storyline - as it is at the moment, we HAVE to watch them if we are to understand what the hell is going on and that just.....SUCKS!!! A very exciting cliffhanger got a crappy 3-minute explaination as to what happened (which we didn't even see) as opposed to what it really deserved which was at the very, very least a visual resolution on the Main Episodes!

This has got me and everyone I know who watches this series very wound up and confused and I'm sure we're not the only ones!

jelgate
November 25th, 2009, 04:26 PM
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=71632

ozzigater
November 25th, 2009, 05:12 PM
it was obvious what was gonna happen. the 3rd timeline would find two kino's, watch what is on them. one with full databanks, the other with barely filled databanks. so they watch the non-filled one, see the message of Scott, and they go off in daytime, go to the nest, capture or kill some critters, and then go back with the venom. TJ dilutes some of the venom and titrates it on some human infected blood. that way she finds out the dosage needed, and she can inject it to everyone, and everyone is saved

See this is what i think is wrong with this new Stargate.
This is a good example that the stories are not writen and the watcher is to fill in the gaps by creating there own story. Whats to say that they also failed on that attempt or that they found some sort of ZPM for the Destiny that could power the gate and get them home?
Sg1 and SGA finished the story they where telling and now SGU may as well stop writing and let the fans write the work for them. The ship is cool and so is the stones but the stories upto now sux. I know there is some debate whether this is sci-fi or soap but this is not the point. Is this show well written and im sorry to say NO. It leaves to much to the viewer opinion and that can be dangerous. My conculion was they all died and the ship just moved on. I'm I wrong or right? This type of open ended writing reminds me or those "choose your own adventure" books that are written or 5 - 10yr olds.

If your going to tell a story than finish it. Don't continue on with the next story as tho the previous one didn't happen. You may as well not have started telling it in the first place.

Pharaoh Atem
November 25th, 2009, 06:22 PM
plot hole... oh wait

Eternal Density
November 25th, 2009, 06:33 PM
Who saw the words 'To Be Continued' at the end of Time?

Lord Hurin
November 26th, 2009, 06:35 PM
Ok, someone get me a crayon so I can explain it in a way these people will understand...

Ekras
November 26th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Well I wasn't planning on commenting on this, but after reading the thread decided to chime in.

Time was a great episode. The ending was one of the reasons that made it so good. As pointed out before they wanted to make the viewers think about what happened.

Someone at MGM (most likely) watched the episode and couldn't understand the ending so they suggested creating the kino-sode that explains it for the viewer who is less versed in sci-fi. This is fine by me. The majority of viewers will never see the kinosode (Except maybe as an extra on the DVD) which is what the writers intended. For those who need an explanation, one is available which is also fine.

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this?

Iffy
December 2nd, 2009, 05:26 PM
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I am too. :(

I really don't see why people didn't get the ending. It made sense to me.

Lord Hurin
December 2nd, 2009, 05:55 PM
I am too. :(

I really don't see why people didn't get the ending. It made sense to me.

Maybe too many people hate Scott and don't pay attention to him. A shame really, since he shone in this episode.

Iffy
December 2nd, 2009, 06:04 PM
Maybe too many people hate Scott and don't pay attention to him. A shame really, since he shone in this episode.

Maybe? It seems some want it tied up nice and neat. Obviously the message got through or a bunch of people would be not there any more. Time so far is one of my fav episodes.

Lord Hurin
December 2nd, 2009, 06:30 PM
Maybe? It seems some want it tied up nice and neat. Obviously the message got through or a bunch of people would be not there any more. Time so far is one of my fav episodes.

It WAS tied up nice and neat IMO. They told you what they had to do, just didn't show it.

And honestly, how interesting would a catatonic Flood-wrangling scene be? This is Stargate, not Crocodile Hunter! Can you imagine Greer going "Croikey! Lookit the soize o' that bugga! He'll burra roight threw ya!" :D

SurfingEagle
December 3rd, 2009, 09:16 PM
Who saw the words 'To Be Continued' at the end of Time?

I saw this. At least, I thought I did. I get the alternative time line thing and the multiverse theory, etc. but I was expecting them to wrap it up in this episode. I was a bit confused in this episode when they didn't tie into the story from Time. But apparently there's an explanation. So, Ok.

The Mighty 6 platoon
December 4th, 2009, 01:13 AM
It WAS tied up nice and neat IMO. They told you what they had to do, just didn't show it.

And honestly, how interesting would a catatonic Flood-wrangling scene be? This is Stargate, not Crocodile Hunter! Can you imagine Greer going "Croikey! Lookit the soize o' that bugga! He'll burra roight threw ya!" :D


Actually that would have been hilarious. But I think it could have spoiled the tone of the episode. :)

Lord Hurin
December 4th, 2009, 06:40 AM
Actually that would have been hilarious. But I think it could have spoiled the tone of the episode. :)

Yeah, to make it work they would've had to have Eli make the pop-culture references. ;)

Iffy
December 4th, 2009, 03:32 PM
I saw this. At least, I thought I did. I get the alternative time line thing and the multiverse theory, etc. but I was expecting them to wrap it up in this episode. I was a bit confused in this episode when they didn't tie into the story from Time. But apparently there's an explanation. So, Ok.

Nope, no TBC, because it was wrapped up at the end of the episode.

Pat1487
December 4th, 2009, 06:08 PM
Time made perfect sense
Something at the beginning of Life just to explain the ending to Time wouldve been nice
But anyone that watches sci-fi regularly would understand what happened
So it wasnt necessary

The 3rd timeline (the one where scott made the final kino recording) is the timeline we are in now
They found the kinos from all of the previous timelines, put the pieces together, figured out what they needed to do and did it, they just didnt show that on screen
The previous timelines were erased, overwritten by the current timeline

Its the sci-fi equivalent to using "It was all just a dream" in telling a story, which alot of people hate

SurfingEagle
December 8th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Nope, no TBC, because it was wrapped up at the end of the episode.

Then, why was there a TBC message at the end?

jelgate
December 8th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Then, why was there a TBC message at the end?

because their wasn't one

SurfingEagle
December 8th, 2009, 06:54 PM
because their wasn't one

I could have sworn I saw one.

Iffy
December 8th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Then, why was there a TBC message at the end?

As I said in the post you quoted there was no TBC. The episode was wrapped up in the last kino thing.

Mongoletsi
December 9th, 2009, 05:33 AM
Then, why was there a TBC message at the end?because their wasn't one
I could have sworn I saw one.
Indeed. Somewhat worrying/frustrating that a number of people think there was a TBC at the end. Hrm.

escyos
December 13th, 2009, 12:59 AM
im a little confused as to why ppl kept posting after i explained it in the very first post