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November 16th, 2009, 02:55 PM
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Magnus and Will try to retrieve a sea creature from the coast of Louisiana, but the Abnormal breaks lose in mid-flight, resulting in a crash landing that imperils the duo. <I>(TV Guide)</I>

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Rickington
December 4th, 2009, 06:54 PM
I wonder how Magnus and Will (:P) will get out of there. :eek:

BigHonkinSpaceGun
December 4th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Me too.

Title of the episode- refers to Ashley's birthday.

Anyone else catch the letters/numbers on the helicopter? NOX79J (or something like that) But NOX!!

Gem of Tigress
December 4th, 2009, 07:14 PM
that was a great eppy! can't wait to see how they got out of that one. :D:D

AnnieS
December 4th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Will...wet suit...feeling faint...THUD!!!!

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 08:14 PM
I got such a Jack sparrow feel When Hellen said, "Ello Beastie" It was so great me and my friend were laughing so hard.

badwolfSG
December 4th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Me too.

Title of the episode- refers to Ashley's birthday.

Anyone else catch the letters/numbers on the helicopter? NOX79J (or something like that) But NOX!!

Now that you pointed it out...lol! But I really liked the fact that they did put in Ashley birthday and how it was affecting Helen.

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 08:30 PM
Now that you pointed it out...lol! But I really liked the fact that they did put in Ashley birthday and how it was affecting Helen.

That was a nice touch, and I liked how they had Will grilling Helen about where she was going to go.

Mack_1
December 4th, 2009, 08:45 PM
That was a nice touch, and I liked how they had Will grilling Helen about where she was going to go.

Totally agree on mentioning Ashley and the after effects on all but specially Helen and what’s with Magnus and bald men? And My God can that woman swim and throw a knife:sam:

everything look good in this episode andvery realistict to me;)

Amalthea
December 4th, 2009, 08:58 PM
Fantastic... but I am mad at them for the cliffhanger.

I don't blame Helen for not wanting to be alone, although messing around with Will like that was a little beneath her. That said, she gets this mulligan given the givens. I'm sure she hoped he would figure Ashley's birthday out for himself.

badwolfSG
December 4th, 2009, 09:05 PM
That was a nice touch, and I liked how they had Will grilling Helen about where she was going to go.

I actually thought Helen was unfair with Will, until the real reason was told, so I do too liked when Will started grilling back.


P.S. How can the big guy go sufing with being noticed?

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 09:10 PM
I actually thought Helen was unfair with Will, until the real reason was told, so I do too liked when Will started grilling back.


P.S. How can the big guy go sufing with being noticed?


I missed the first 15 minutes of the show, so Huh?

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 09:11 PM
Totally agree on mentioning Ashley and the after effects on all but specially Helen and what’s with Magnus and bald men? And My God can that woman swim and throw a knife:sam:


well john is bald and his still has a hold on her... lol!! IMHO he does.

Mack_1
December 4th, 2009, 09:15 PM
well john is bald and his still has a hold on her... lol!! IMHO he does.
Totally agree and Druitt's more handsomeLOL

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 09:30 PM
Totally agree and Druitt's more handsomeLOL



And sexy when he is bad... lol!! I think she has a thing for the bad boys and John is the worst.

But i loved when they were treading water and helen makes the joke, "There is plenty of Fish in the Sea."

I was like that is so wrong... lol!! But funny!!

AnnieS
December 4th, 2009, 09:39 PM
I actually thought Helen was unfair with Will, until the real reason was told, so I do too liked when Will started grilling back.


P.S. How can the big guy go sufing with being noticed?

My first thought was, Bigfoot on a surfboard :eek:!! Must have been a private beach!!

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 09:43 PM
My first thought was, Bigfoot on a surfboard :eek:!! Must have been a private beach!!



Ok tomorrow I am so getting on StC to see the first 15 minutes that I missed... and just so I can see it again... lol!!

Poor Will the abnormals didn't like him.

AnnieS
December 4th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Ok tomorrow I am so getting on StC to see the first 15 minutes that I missed... and just so I can see it again... lol!!

Poor Will the abnormals didn't like him.

But we do!!!

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 09:49 PM
But we do!!!


Yes, yes we do. Especially when he is all wet and his clothes cling to him and... *strays*

What was I saying... lol!!

EvenstarSRV
December 4th, 2009, 09:50 PM
P.S. How can the big guy go sufing with being noticed?

Could be a remote part of Tanzanian coast. :)

Good episode, though the ending was rather abrupt. I guess we're to assume they got the Mayday out before the battery died and the Coast Guard or someone will come along to rescue them.

I really enjoyed the argument Will and Helen had throughout the episode, it let Helen show more of her bossy side while letting Will also stand-up for himself. And it also showed that as good of friends as they've become, there are still things they won't confide or tell each other. That came across as very realistic to me.

Bonus points again for a mention of Ashley, and even more that it was her upcoming birthday that informed so much of Helen's emotions and actions.

And it's awesome that Helen was on the Titanic and got pulled out of the water by Molly Brown. Count Olaf and his soccer team made me laugh, as did Helen's lame joke at the end. :P

yessika
December 4th, 2009, 09:53 PM
I got such a Jack sparrow feel When Hellen said, "Ello Beastie" It was so great me and my friend were laughing so hard.

:lol: I loved that! (I'm a HUGE PoTC fan)
This episode was so good!! I just love the Will and Helen interaction!

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 09:55 PM
:lol: I loved that! (I'm a HUGE PoTC fan)
This episode was so good!! I just love the Will and Helen interaction!

the whole Jack Feel was awesome!!

and yes the Helen and Will interaction was the best so far... lol!!

suse
December 4th, 2009, 10:04 PM
:lol: I loved that! (I'm a HUGE PoTC fan)
This episode was so good!! I just love the Will and Helen interaction!

:lol: I was wondering what PotC was... now I know.

I missed most of the ep, was at a very lame work Christmas party. Well, lame for me. Others had a blast. I hate loud crowds and louder music :P

The DVR seems to skip when I try to watch a recorded show, so I saw the 2nd showing live for the last 20 minutes. I need to remember to record the midweek show in low def. It plays better.

:) I'll enjoy trying to catch all the references.

suse

EvenstarSRV
December 4th, 2009, 10:15 PM
:lol: I loved that! (I'm a HUGE PoTC fan)
This episode was so good!! I just love the Will and Helen interaction!

Hee, that was a great reference.

I also liked the callback to Pavor Nocturnus with Will's 'Bring on the Hail Mary' and Helen's reaction to that.

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 10:20 PM
Hee, that was a great reference.

I also liked the callback to Pavor Nocturnus with Will's 'Bring on the Hail Mary' and Helen's reaction to that.


I'm going to have to watch it again tomorrow.

atlantis_babe34
December 5th, 2009, 05:53 AM
Love the fact that henry is surfing off the Australian coast :D

Mack_1
December 5th, 2009, 06:19 AM
And sexy when he is bad... lol!! I think she has a thing for the bad boys and John is the worst.

But i loved when they were treading water and helen makes the joke, "There is plenty of Fish in the Sea."

I was like that is so wrong... lol!! But funny!!

Totally I was like she just didn’t say that!!LOLand Will’s face so good. And she definitely has a thing for bald men and agree again John is the better looking and sexy as well you catch my “drift” LOL



Good episode, though the ending was rather abrupt. I guess we're to assume they got the Mayday out before the battery died and the Coast Guard or someone will come along to rescue them.

I really enjoyed the argument Will and Helen had throughout the episode, it let Helen show more of her bossy side while letting Will also stand-up for himself. And it also showed that as good of friends as they've become, there are still things they won't confide or tell each other. That came across as very realistic to me.

And it's awesome that Helen was on the Titanic and got pulled out of the water by Molly Brown. Count Olaf and his soccer team made me laugh, as did Helen's lame joke at the end. :P

By the end when they are panning out, I was looking at the screen trying to see if a boat or Coast Guard Helicopter was about to reach them; after that explosion; when I didn’t see it I was like “Well that’s just weird, who are they getting out?”

And now we know why there is a picture of the Titanic on the opening credits.


I also liked the callback to Pavor Nocturnus with Will's 'Bring on the Hail Mary' and Helen's reaction to that.

I heard that and saw Helen’s face and reaction and I got to wonder why she reacted to Will’s mention of the “Hail Mary” like that; now I know and I’m so watching Pavor Nocturnus again;)

Skydiver
December 5th, 2009, 06:33 AM
maybe the lack of 'how will we get out of this' harkens back to Kush. remember in that crash, ash found them and sent help, but that won't happen now so they're on their own.

SilverSlippers
December 5th, 2009, 06:59 AM
Fun episode.

I loved it when Helen threw that explosive to sink the helicopter.

They definitly got rescued by someone, I mean, we still have more episodes this season. xD

How was the scorpion alive out of the water when the episode said that it usually lived on the bottom of the sea? Or did I just hear that wrong?

Big Guy and Henry surfing? I gotta see that one. xD

I like the reference to Ashley and how Magnus was reacting to her birthday. Very well thought out.

siles
December 5th, 2009, 07:03 AM
This one was substandard. Best bit was Helen in a wet-suit, worse was Helen/Olaf. I was WTF? What would Helen see in that toad? The CGI wasn't good. How come they didn't think to bring a proper container for the squid? Since the squid is supposedly a "docile" creature which was enraged only by the presence of the sea-scorpion, they should have just killed the sea-scorpion! Why didn't they used the cables/ropes to try to climb up the well? I loved that they didn't forget about Ashley.
I was surprised to see that Stargate Universe was better this week.

jckfan55
December 5th, 2009, 07:36 AM
I really liked the episode. I think I've liked all the Helen & Will episodes, actually. We learned a bit about both of them, had some adventure and I actually kind of liked the way it ended. We didn't really need to see the ultimate rescue. Good to see Helen relaxed with a friend even if by videophone--Olaf, hmm.

Favorite line: "They're both in Germany, Will." Just the way Helen/AT said it was great!

Molly Brown having saved Helen was a bit obvious, but I still liked it for the historical reference.

I loved that Ashley was mentioned. In a way I wanted them to talk more about her, but I Helen is so reserved--so of course she wouldn't mention the birthday before--that it probably wouldn't have been in character. And I think Will's learning not to push too much.

jckfan55
December 5th, 2009, 07:39 AM
Hee, that was a great reference.

I also liked the callback to Pavor Nocturnus with Will's 'Bring on the Hail Mary' and Helen's reaction to that.

Yes. And bonus points for * trusting the audience to get it* and not drawing attention to it other than Helen's slight reaction.

Skydiver
December 5th, 2009, 08:00 AM
i 've always thought helen being on the titanic was a gimme

and yeah, i did wonder how come she didn't think 'let's use these nice big cables and climb out

jasminaGo
December 5th, 2009, 09:04 AM
Wet Helen bossing around, flying a helicopter, throwing knives, and cracking jokes.... Me likes! :D

Fun episode. I loved the Helen/Will interaction. They are really good friends but there are still so many things they need to learn about each other (especially Will about Helen).

I love the call back to Ashley, and the fact that she isn't forgotten from the show.

Really enjoyed the Titanic part too. Umm.... Olaf... just.... NO.... seriously.

kes
December 5th, 2009, 09:38 AM
It was a fun ep but I was expecting more.
I like that the tittle is that tiny reference at the end, but something that drives the action of the characters throughout the ep, or at least Magnus actions lol

Dont think those are the tipes of cables you can just climb. Those look like the cut, plus its a long way up.

As for Olaf, considering this is the presidente of Werder Bremen http://www.werder.de/bilder/galerie/2007gross/fischerkopfstadion575.jpg
I dont think that bald guy was so bad lol

JanSam
December 5th, 2009, 09:59 AM
Helen bossing around, flying a helicopter, throwing knives, and cracking jokes.... Me likes!

Fun episode. I loved the Helen/Will interaction. They are really good friends but there are still so many things they need to learn about each other (especially Will about Helen).

I love the call back to Ashley, and the fact that she isn't forgotten from the show.


Yeah this is what I liked about the episode.




Really enjoyed the Titanic part too. Umm.... Olaf... just.... NO.... seriously.

Well she did say it had been decades since she last saw him.....



Dont think those are the tipes of cables you can just climb. Those look like the cut, plus its a long way up.


Also slippery with wet hands and the incline was pretty steep.

Celandine
December 5th, 2009, 10:15 AM
Really enjoyed the action and the give and play between Helen and Will. I had read a blurb saying that this ep showcased how friends could be at each others necks sometimes and be so dysfunctional, but still remain and even grow closer through it. I saw this, but I think I expected more. Oh don't get me wrong, there definitely was tension, but not the level I guess I was expecting.

I did love the moment when Will revealed how lonely he was since Clara's death (and the reason for the internet meet up with Sigrid). Helen's answer was very matter-of-fact (Helen: Goes with the territory I'm afraid.), but I sensed a underlying layer of her own loneliness as well. I know it's been said before here, but to live that long and to see so many people she has loved pass away... It makes me more appreciate the strength of Helen when something like this might normally make one very bitter, I believe.

Lots and lots of brilliant lines in this one too that just made me laugh.

Loved the 'ello beastie' moment when 'squidley' reared out of the water.

Will: What is it with you and flying anyway?
Helen: Two crashes in 158 years? That's not bad.
Will: They only invented flying 110 years ago so...

Will: You just blew the whole thing... It's..gone! Your crazy you know that? Your absolutely, certifiably insane.
Helen: That was pretty cool.
Will: Cool? Yeah! That was like James Bond Die Hard cool.

With this last one, I loved the smug look on Helen's face. Think that made me laugh as much as the exchange between the two. :)

Also, I loved the fact that even though it took such a horrible shared experience to get it out of her, sharing with Will the real reason why she didnt want him going to Iceland for the conference was very touching. Kudos for Ashely not being forgotten too.

Skydiver
December 5th, 2009, 10:35 AM
i know climbing the cables wouldn't have been fun or easy....but when it's that or treading water until you drown????

Tittamiire
December 5th, 2009, 11:28 AM
I really enjoyed the episode :D

The scorpion made me jump, which was fun.

I enjoyed the ongoing conflict between Will and Magnus, it was really clear right from the start that she just didn't want him to go and I was beginning to think she was just being a pain, but the reasoning behind it was brilliant. I am glad Ashley's death is still a theme running through, they're doing the character justice.

The mental image of Henry and the Big Guy surfing...heeee

Titantic reference, cool, I always assumed she was around the titanic action (how could she not be, the boat was record breaking and innovative), but on it is a nice element, especially having Magnus pulled out of the water. I wonder what she was doing as the boat went down that meant she didn't get to a life boat (I know lots of people didn't, but I imagine Magnus would have had to make the effort not to be in one).

Throw back to Pavor Nocturnus, also cool.

There were a few continuity errors that I noticed, which is rare for me so they must have been quite biggies.

I wish Robin would stop doing that thing with his lower jaw though, it's distracting.

SGalisa
December 5th, 2009, 11:29 AM
I'm not really into monster stories.. especially one with a giant scorpion -- sea version or otherwise. I did think that maybe the squid or octopus (whatever it was) might try to communicate with Helen on a peaceful level, but that seemed to get nixed, too.


Both Helen and Will in wetsuits.. nice outfits! :)


Really enjoyed the Titanic part too.

Yeah, I was wondering how the Titanic was going to figure into this series. I'm guessing there still might be more about the Titanic maybe at a later, far into the future season/ep date.



Umm.... Olaf... just.... NO.... seriously.


...and Druitt's more handsomeLOL

definitely Druitt looks better in appearance, but he still is --perhaps a reformed version, tho-- "Jack the Ripper" ;)



P.S. How can the big guy go sufing with being noticed?


My first thought was, Bigfoot on a surfboard :eek:!! Must have been a private beach!!

Oh, I was thinking he's Bigfoot.. so his pic might end up making it into the tabloids as a bizarre creature sighting.. :p
:D

tricky
December 5th, 2009, 12:31 PM
Surprised to see this episode so popular (I guess it's will in a wetsuit that makes it work; someone better tell wardrobe to ditch non-wetsuit clothing then?), felt like filler to me.
So, how does both Henry and Big get to go on vacation, while Will gets stuck running the store? And then to add insult to injury, Helen was going to Germany for a little Bavarian Hook-up! I get that she is still grieveing Ash, and she probably deserves it, but it just seemed pretty unfair.

atlantis_babe34
December 5th, 2009, 03:08 PM
The episode was good, obviously leading into something i hope with a little more depth. overall i enjoyed it. The banter between Will and Helen was great. Titanic reference was a bit ehh, but oh well. loved Loved Loved the fact that it was Ashely's birthday, Bit pissy at will for not noticing tho. Germany booty call!!!!

i may have laughed at her choice of man, but still, its nice to see that she actaully has a bit of a life outside of the sanctuary. Amanda looked STUNNING in that flashback scene tho. Loved the fact that Henery and the big Guy went surfing in Tasmania XD.

overall i give the episode a 8/10

Falcon Horus
December 5th, 2009, 03:10 PM
Adding my two cents...

I thought this was a bit of a let down after Veritas. A bit slow, and yes even a little boring.

***
April 14, 1912 [cue squee]

Molly Brown pulled me out of the water and into a life raft. [cue squee]

I'm a Titanic-geek and references to that ship make me all warm and fuzzy. And to that dramatic night....

So Helen was on board the Titanic, and if she had to be hauled out of the water, probably not as a first class passenger, but more likely as a second class passenger. Most of the first class passengers survived without much contact with the actual water.
Atlantic water is freezing, especially the place where the Titanic went under. This water must have felt like tropic sea water in comparison. A walk in the park... :p

Can we have some flashbacks to the Titanic please?
***

Other fun facts that made me giggle:

* the designation on the helicopter is NOX17J - reference to SG1 perhaps?
* Hello beastie! - definite reference to Captain Jack Sparrow greeting the Kraken


Dressing up for a video-chat - Olaf must be something special. :p

Next Tuesday - that's not a good title for an episode where in the last 5 minutes the title is explained as Ashley's birthday. I thought it meant they wouldn't have to count on rescue until next Tuesday or something along those lines. :S Makes no sense.

And we will never know how exactly they got out of there... :rolleyes:

kes
December 5th, 2009, 03:11 PM
maybe the lack of 'how will we get out of this' harkens back to Kush. remember in that crash, ash found them and sent help, but that won't happen now so they're on their own.

I'm an xfiles fan so I grew up on the "we dont explain everything".
Dont need it, most of the time dont like it.
Who knows they might mention it in a future ep.


i know climbing the cables wouldn't have been fun or easy....but when it's that or treading water until you drown????

Well after they lost the chopper lol

kes
December 5th, 2009, 03:14 PM
Adding my two cents...

I thought this was a bit of a let down after Veritas. A bit slow, and yes even a little boring.

***
April 14, 1912 [cue squee]

Molly Brown pulled me out of the water and into a life raft. [cue squee]

I'm a Titanic-geek and references to that ship make me all warm and fuzzy. And to that dramatic night....

So Helen was on board the Titanic, and if she had to be hauled out of the water, probably not as a first class passenger, but more likely as a second class passenger. Most of the first class passengers survived without much contact with the actual water.
Atlantic water is freezing, especially the place where the Titanic went under. This water must have felt like tropic sea water in comparison. A walk in the park... :p

Can we have some flashbacks to the Titanic please?
***


I think she was 1st class. She has the money. I was thinking more like she refused to get on a boat or was helping the 3rd class passengers.

But a better question:
Was she alone?

Falcon Horus
December 5th, 2009, 03:25 PM
I think she was 1st class. She has the money. I was thinking more like she refused to get on a boat or was helping the 3rd class passengers.

3rd class passengers were locked up down below... so when they made it to the boatdecks most lifeboats (there were a few left of course, plus the four rafts) were already gone. Cameron's film isn't that far from the truth in that regard. And the lists of survivors pretty much speak for themselves too.

And as I remember correctly, Molly Brown was in a boat that didn't return after the Titanic went under. So, that one had to have been close to the sinking ship, and Helen must have ended in the water somewhere between them rowing away and the ship going under.
So, if she refused to get into a boat, which is plausible (she wouldn't have been the only one) - then Molly Brown couldn't have saved her.

Maybe there was an abnormal on board... :p

But in any case - I'd love to hear more about that "adventure".

majorsal
December 5th, 2009, 04:18 PM
my review (then i'll read everyone's views too)...

i really enjoyed the ep! :D

i'm sure i'll like it even more when i watch it again. i didn't know what to expect, but nothing disappointed. i don't think i was WOWed by it, but i can't wait to watch it again. :)

i'd like to know 'how' they got out of that well, though. :p

majorsal
December 5th, 2009, 04:21 PM
! But I really liked the fact that they did put in Ashley birthday and how it was affecting Helen.

b/c i'd remained pretty spoiler free, that was a lovely thing to hear from helen. i'm VERY glad ashley hasn't been wiped out of existence in helen's heart and mind (like i've seen stargate do).

majorsal
December 5th, 2009, 04:27 PM
I really enjoyed the argument Will and Helen had throughout the episode, it let Helen show more of her bossy side while letting Will also stand-up for himself. And it also showed that as good of friends as they've become, there are still things they won't confide or tell each other. That came across as very realistic to me.

yes on all of it. :)


And it's awesome that Helen was on the Titanic and got pulled out of the water by Molly Brown. Count Olaf and his soccer team made me laugh, as did Helen's lame joke at the end. :P

wasn't that cool!? :D i'd love to see *that* flashback... ;)

and what was the joke again?

(i turned down the bass on my tv last night, but after the ep was over... maybe that'll let me hear their dialog better)

Skydiver
December 5th, 2009, 04:30 PM
I think, in the end, only 1-2 boats went back. cameron's movie was fairly accurate in that most boats that had room stayed away so that they wouldn't be swamped...but in water that cold people went hypothermic and died in less than 15 minutes. I know in Deadliest Catch, if you go into the Bering Sea without a survival suit, you have 10 minutes or less,and that's presuming that you don't have a heart attack from the shock of the sudden cold.

the north atlantic, especially with all the ice bergs around, wouldn't have been much warmer, probably 40 degrees at the most, likely less.

A first class female stood a good chance of survival. a first class male, well these were the days when men who got int he boats while there were still women needing space were seen as cowards, unless those men were there to row or lead the boats. John Jacob Aster - richest man in the world at the time - is one notable first class person that went down with the boat.

and yes, second class kinda tagged along, third class - ironically it was all the third class people that really made money for the boat since their 'cost of berth vs what they received' had hte best profit margin and they were what made the lines their money.

the berths that the third/steerage class paid vs the cost of what they got paid for all the luxuries the first class folks got.

If you were in steerage you were danged lucky if you survived.

I have a book written soon after the titanic went down and it has the lists of survivors...and the list is telling. maybe 60% of first class survived (remember the guys sacrificed themselves) while maybe 10% of the steeerage survived.

I want to say that less than half a dozen were pulled from the water and survived, perhaps less. they h ad to be very, very strong to have survived being wet and then spending the night in a boat - with no heat - soaking wet.

i'm sure that helen was first class. and i could see her taking hte voyage, transporting an abnormal, then when the boat hit the berg, she spent her time trying to get too the abby and free it, rather than getting in a boat

remember, it took the boat about 2-2.5 hours to sink, but they denied that it was damaged for at least an hour or so before they started to fill the rafts. that's the biggest tragedy of it all, there were so many ways that so many more could have survived. instead of 700ish surviving and 1500ish dying, the numbers could have been reversed.

it was also one of the worst examples of 'death by class' in history.

majorsal
December 5th, 2009, 04:31 PM
I also liked the callback to Pavor Nocturnus with Will's 'Bring on the Hail Mary' and Helen's reaction to that.

oh yeah! that prob caught helen's breath. creeped me out too. :p

majorsal
December 5th, 2009, 04:34 PM
Totally I was like she just didn’t say that!!LOLand Will’s face so good. And she definitely has a thing for bald men and agree again John is the better looking and sexy as well you catch my “drift” LOL


i don't get the 'plenty of fish in the sea' reference. is it from that pirates movie? (i haven't seen it :p)

majorsal
December 5th, 2009, 04:37 PM
maybe the lack of 'how will we get out of this' harkens back to Kush. remember in that crash, ash found them and sent help, but that won't happen now so they're on their own.

maybe we don't see how they got out, b/c they never 'do'... (the rest of the season is a figment of their imaginations, but we don't find out till the end) :jack_new_anime05:

majorsal
December 5th, 2009, 04:40 PM
The CGI wasn't good.

i thought the sea creatures were the most real looking cgi creatures they've done yet. :)

Falcon Horus
December 5th, 2009, 04:47 PM
@ Skydiver

You have good points.

Yup, someone definitely needs to write that. I know of someone who started a fic about Helen on the Titanic. Saw it pop up about two or three weeks ago on one of the LJ comms but it has since disappeared of my radar.


i don't get the 'plenty of fish in the sea' reference. is it from that pirates movie? (i haven't seen it :p)

No reference, just a bad placed joke with them in the watertank. Probably a reference to Olaf and Sigrid. :p
I was thinking "Oh no, you did not just say that, Helen!" *facepalm*... :p


oh yeah! that prob caught helen's breath. creeped me out too. :p

See, now I need to watch PN again cause I can't remember that he said that.

Carterfan
December 5th, 2009, 05:23 PM
I really liked this episode the first viewing, then after the 2nd viewing, I LOVED it.

I know some viewers expected something more, probably because one can't help directly comparing this with Requiem. But personally, I loved that it wasn't. Requiem was way intense and season 2 has already been very intense. Once I realized that this ep was different in tone and texture, I relaxed and totally loved it. I didn't want a desperate Helen, an insane Helen or intensely driven Helen. (At least not in every episode.)

What was so charming about this episode was that we got as relaxed a Helen as we've seen her. Crashing your helicopter in the middle of nowhere, trapped in a tank with a grouchy antagonistic Will, a pissed off giant squid and vicious scorpian and we get our even keeled, measure Magnus back. Not to mention oodles of entertaining exposition. I didn't even know thats what I wanted until I saw it. (mostly the second time round) That's bloody brilliant Kindler. Thanks Mate!

I've always thought that Helen might have come to America via the Titanic, possibly to get away from Druitt. I'm glad they gave us a little snipet of that past. Hopefully this is just a teaser to a full blown flashback onboard the Titanic with all the costume glory and all that.

We see that Magnus continues with the self-imposed isolation that Watson pointed out. Probaly insisted on Henry and Bigfoot being away, especially Bigfoot as they would be most apt to fuss or 'coddle' her and make her teeth itch. Can't have that now, can we. She's still unable to reach out and open up which I find suits her character and made the confession at the end all the more poignant. Helen mournful look when she tells Will that there was more important things going on than accepting Olaf's romantic gettaway.

Olaf confirms, at least for me, that Magnus is drawn to men of power and sees beyond the looks. (though I'm with Will on this one) Helen seems to like hanging out with people of intelligence or power. I can't wait to see the women she hung out with in the future, other then Emelia Earhart, coz its in the title credits.

Ever since 'Warriors' with that delightful opening scene in th bedouin tent, I've wondered just how much wealth and possessions Magnus has accumulated. I'm totally not surprised that she had several helicopters as well as that submarine. Vaction homes all over the place most likely. Now I'm just waiting to see her pilot that Tiger Moth she learned to fly from Emelia Earhart.

I loved how Ashley is the reason for 'Next Tuesday'. I hope the writers continue to remember in nearly every episode. I can't help but gain some satisfaction that in doing so, its like sticking it to the network.

Although there's more, but I've gone on long enough, the single MOST important thing I've learned this episode is that Amanda Tapping must have been a water baby.

Carterfan
December 5th, 2009, 05:42 PM
Hee, that was a great reference.

I also liked the callback to Pavor Nocturnus with Will's 'Bring on the Hail Mary' and Helen's reaction to that.

Nice, I'd forgotten about Pavor Nocturnus and wondered why she reacted that way.

EvenstarSRV
December 5th, 2009, 07:12 PM
i don't get the 'plenty of fish in the sea' reference. is it from that pirates movie? (i haven't seen it :p)

'Hello beastie' was the Pirates reference. 'Plenty of fish in the sea' was just a silly joke you wouldn't really expect someone as sophisticated as Helen to say, which made it all the more funny to me. :)



See, now I need to watch PN again cause I can't remember that he said that.

It was about 3/4s of the way through the ep, I think where Helen suggested trying anti-coagulants on the girl and Will says that line. In the commentary of that ep, they mentioned that the line was reused in a later ep, which ended up being this one.



We see that Magnus continues with the self-imposed isolation that Watson pointed out. Probaly insisted on Henry and Bigfoot being away, especially Bigfoot as they would be most apt to fuss or 'coddle' her and make her teeth itch. Can't have that now, can we. She's still unable to reach out and open up which I find suits her character and made the confession at the end all the more poignant. Helen mournful look when she tells Will that there was more important things going on than accepting Olaf's romantic gettaway.

That's an interesting thought. I did think it odd that Helen wanted to keep Will around but let Henry and Bigfoot, two people she's probably closer to than Will, go off surfing. But I can see her not wanting someone to coddle her, just someone to be there to distract her enough to get through the day.



I loved how Ashley is the reason for 'Next Tuesday'. I hope the writers continue to remember in nearly every episode. I can't help but gain some satisfaction that in doing so, its like sticking it to the network.

I also like how they've kept Ashley alive in spirit in the show. While I do wish they'd been able to keep her on the show, I don't think you can say they've forgotten about the character or what she meant to Helen and the others.



Although there's more, but I've gone on long enough, the single MOST important thing I've learned this episode is that Amanda Tapping must have been a water baby.

Heh, she does seem to draw these kinds of episodes, Descent, Grace Under Pressure, Requiem, and now this one. :P

majorsal
December 5th, 2009, 08:01 PM
i keep thinking about the ep. i can't wait to watch it again. :D

suse
December 5th, 2009, 08:12 PM
Heh, she does seem to draw these kinds of episodes, Descent, Grace Under Pressure, Requiem, and now this one. :P

Although she did keep almost drowning herself in Descent. Her timing was off. :lol:

Mack_1
December 5th, 2009, 08:14 PM
definitely Druitt looks better in appearance, but he still is --perhaps a reformed version, tho-- "Jack the Ripper" ;)

Oh, I was thinking he's Bigfoot.. so his pic might end up making it into the tabloids as a bizarre creature sighting.. :p :D
Yeah and that is so wrong on so many leves LOL

Can anybody say Enquire :)


'Hello beastie' was the Pirates reference. 'Plenty of fish in the sea' was just a silly joke you wouldn't really expect someone as sophisticated as Helen to say, which made it all the more funny to me. :)

Also they been attack and chase by two beasts of the sea and almost drown also stranded in water, Will did say something about the fact that “It is official I hate sea food” so it was more like an out of place joke in.



That's an interesting thought. I did think it odd that Helen wanted to keep Will around but let Henry and Bigfoot, two people she's probably closer to than Will, go off surfing. But I can see her not wanting someone to coddle her, just someone to be there to distract her enough to get through the day.

I also think that Bigfoot and Henry would be more affected by the fact that Ashley is gone; they would probably try and coddle Helen big time but also the time would probably sadden them more since they knew Ashley far more time than Will has; so sending them away or allowing them to go away from the Sanctuary was in a way in my opinion, the way of Helen to “protect” them from that pain since she was already suffering for the approaching day.

KaKaCarter
December 6th, 2009, 01:43 AM
absolutely loved this episode. Like last year's submarine episode isolating will and helen worked really well. It kept me on the edge of my seat as i certainly didn't guess there was a scorpion beastie on board. at one point where helen finds the gue I was sure it was going to be a mother squid protecting her young.

Also really like the slow reveal of what was really going on emotionally. Will's reasons for wanting to go to iceland exposed. Then magnus real reason for German trip and then finally the crushing revelation (that it is ashley's birthday and she didn't want to be alone)

Loved the titanic reference.(now i just want to see the titanic episode(pls make one)) Been trying to fine tune my own helen titanic chapter of my tesla fic for the last few weeks which gave me a happy moment as i watched the episode. Really hope next season they give us some of the meaty historical dramas helen's been through rather than just these dropped teasers.

kes
December 6th, 2009, 02:09 AM
3rd class passengers were locked up down below... so when they made it to the boatdecks most lifeboats (there were a few left of course, plus the four rafts) were already gone. Cameron's film isn't that far from the truth in that regard. And the lists of survivors pretty much speak for themselves too.

And as I remember correctly, Molly Brown was in a boat that didn't return after the Titanic went under. So, that one had to have been close to the sinking ship, and Helen must have ended in the water somewhere between them rowing away and the ship going under.
So, if she refused to get into a boat, which is plausible (she wouldn't have been the only one) - then Molly Brown couldn't have saved her.

Maybe there was an abnormal on board... :p

But in any case - I'd love to hear more about that "adventure".

And Jack the Ripper is a teleporting abnormal...see what I mean. Throw history out the window my friend , this is sci fi lol

Chelle DB
December 6th, 2009, 02:20 AM
Just popping in with my five cents on the newest ep.
I thought it was pretty cool. I must admit when I heard Helen say "Hello beastie" I too couldn't help but laugh at the the little poke at PotC!! But I am a little bit lost at the significance of the "Hail Mary" line? I know there's a religious connotation behind it but is there any reason why Helen would look at Will like that when he said it?
Also loved the reference to her being on the Titanic and Molly Brown saving her life. And I actually liked the squid...I hope they eventually do get to catch him and take him home...he's kinda cool and protective of his captors!
Kinda miffed though that it ended like it did...very weird!
And yet again, Amanda has ended up in the drink...see...this is why I asked her at AT4 why is it that her characters in SG1, SGA and Sanctuary end up getting wet.
But anyhoo, the ep IMHO was quite cool. I can't wait to see if they do show us how they get rescued.
Only other thing I question is....Henry surfing in Tasmania??? :eek: What??? best surf in Oz is in either Bell's Beach Victoria or Byron Bay NSW...and of course other cool beaches up along the Queensland coast but Tassie???? Now that is weird even for Sanctuary! :D

kes
December 6th, 2009, 02:32 AM
Just popping in with my five cents on the newest ep.
I thought it was pretty cool. I must admit when I heard Helen say "Hello beastie" I too couldn't help but laugh at the the little poke at PotC!! But I am a little bit lost at the significance of the "Hail Mary" line? I know there's a religious connotation behind it but is there any reason why Helen would look at Will like that when he said it?
Also loved the reference to her being on the Titanic and Molly Brown saving her life. And I actually liked the squid...I hope they eventually do get to catch him and take him home...he's kinda cool and protective of his captors!
Kinda miffed though that it ended like it did...very weird!
And yet again, Amanda has ended up in the drink...see...this is why I asked her at AT4 why is it that her characters in SG1, SGA and Sanctuary end up getting wet.
But anyhoo, the ep IMHO was quite cool. I can't wait to see if they do show us how they get rescued.
Only other thing I question is....Henry surfing in Tasmania??? :eek: What??? best surf in Oz is in either Bell's Beach Victoria or Byron Bay NSW...and of course other cool beaches up along the Queensland coast but Tassie???? Now that is weird even for Sanctuary! :D

The Hail Mary is a call back to Pavor Nocturnus.

CarnalPIE
December 6th, 2009, 02:36 AM
Great episode, despite the fact that I came away wanting to whip the editor's ass. In the past half decade TV has gotten so allergic to telling a story in chronological order. What did the Pulp Fiction editing really add to what was already a great episode? In my opinion, it detracted more than added.

But that's fine. Still a great episode.


I was surprised to see that Stargate Universe was better this week.

Whoa! Hey now, don't talk crazee!


I'm not really into monster stories.. especially one with a giant scorpion -- sea version or otherwise.

Isn't there an absolutely dreadful movie currently sitting on Blockbuster shelves entitled "Megashark vs Giant octopus"? Ah yes, there is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1350498/ And I just noticed that Debbie Gibson is the lead in that! WOO HOO!!

But, anyway, the memories of NOT renting that movie every time I hit Blockbuster kept coming back to me while watching this episode. LMFAO

sandra-carter
December 6th, 2009, 03:05 AM
I loved this episode, it was surreal ... I noticed and loved the reaction from helen because ashley's birthday when she got stuck in the conduct of the platform was scary, after the Will was there to save her (as always) and she tried to leave it there, then I think the desire to die helen was not dissipated in her mind.
due to ashley? I do not know! maybe
the bald man just shows that she still has a pretty big drop by Druitt ... although he is more sexy, beautiful and seductive ... love those two ... I've read the synopsis of episode 10 called "haunted" will be romantic and revealing in part because of them that will get stuck together in a cell ... I can not wait to see!

Henry and the big guy was surfing ... ahhh very funny

this season is more surprising, is getting better, I love now is just wait for the subtitled episode because there are times when I can not understand what they are talking about because of the noise ... ashley by the statement in each episode is sure they will get it back next season, "I sure hope there is another season," thought

Anyone can write the excerpt of the conversation when Will tells magnus he knew about Olaf ... I can not understand

kes
December 6th, 2009, 03:06 AM
Great episode, despite the fact that I came away wanting to whip the editor's ass. In the past half decade TV has gotten so allergic to telling a story in chronological order. What did the Pulp Fiction editing really add to what was already a great episode? In my opinion, it detracted more than added.

But that's fine. Still a great episode.



Whoa! Hey now, don't talk crazee!



Isn't there an absolutely dreadful movie currently sitting on Blockbuster shelves entitled "Megashark vs Giant octopus"? Ah yes, there is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1350498/ And I just noticed that Debbie Gibson is the lead in that! WOO HOO!!

But, anyway, the memories of NOT renting that movie every time I hit Blockbuster kept coming back to me while watching this episode. LMFAO



Oh I've seen it. It is really bad. The fights are a joke and its always the same effect. Its really, really bad. Even for a Syfy movie.

Commander Zelix
December 6th, 2009, 05:41 AM
I didn't like this one. Personally, I think the dialogue was cringeworthy. I can understand why other people may like the bantering.

I guess it should be simple, but if anybody care to explain what is the importance of Ashley's birthday? I know its suppose to explain why Helen doesn't want Will to leave the sanctuary to go to Reykjavik, since its the same day, but I don't understand why.

Skydiver
December 6th, 2009, 07:00 AM
ashley just died, so her birthday is tough on the survivors, a reminder of just what isn't there

CarnalPIE
December 6th, 2009, 07:06 AM
Oh yeah, speaking of Ashley's birthday, that was a very nice inclusion, especially with it being referenced in the title. That took me by surprise since I thought they were going to ignore it from here on out.


Oh I've seen it. It is really bad. The fights are a joke and its always the same effect. Its really, really bad. Even for a Syfy movie.

LMFAO! I guess I'll continue to enjoy not renting it despite Debbie Gibson being in it.

Joachim
December 6th, 2009, 07:14 AM
And Jack the Ripper is a teleporting abnormal...see what I mean. Throw history out the window my friend , this is sci fi lol
Nikola Tesla.

That's honestly all that even needs to be said on the subject.

Commander Zelix
December 6th, 2009, 08:17 AM
ashley just died, so her birthday is tough on the survivors, a reminder of just what isn't there
I mean why not let Will to go Reykjavik despite Ashley's birthday? I thought I missed something.

jelgate
December 6th, 2009, 08:38 AM
I look at this episode on two levels. As an episode on its own its good. But as a contribution to the season I was massively disappointed.

As an episode as a whole I liked how we saw Helen and Will interacting with another big abnormal hunt. I for some reason found myself compelled to agree with Will about the whole vacation debate. Given what they do they seem entitled to a vacation. Even after Helen tells why she wants Will to stay (which is totally understandable) I still find myself agreeing with Will. His happiness is just of merit as Helens.

Now to the season part. I'm starting to getting a little aggrevated about all this Helen and Will only episodes like this one. Thier are other characters too you know. It seems like thier is this massive development for two characters while Henry, Kate, the late Ashley, Bigfoor among others background is limitied. It reminds me of SGA in a lot of ways and I was hoping Sanctuary would fix this problem in S2. Given Pavor Nocturnus and Next Tuesday I guess I was wrong.

suse
December 6th, 2009, 09:12 AM
I mean why not let Will to go Reykjavik despite Ashley's birthday? I thought I missed something.

So she can be alone with the memories of her daughter on the day of her daughter's birth? How horrible.

I think she just wanted *someone* there. Who might be able to provide a distraction when needed. But didn't know how to ask. :P She fumbled that badly. She's human.

suse

mapsc
December 6th, 2009, 09:49 AM
I look at this episode on two levels. As an episode on its own its good. But as a contribution to the season I was massively disappointed.

As an episode as a whole I liked how we saw Helen and Will interacting with another big abnormal hunt. I for some reason found myself compelled to agree with Will about the whole vacation debate. Given what they do they seem entitled to a vacation. Even after Helen tells why she wants Will to stay (which is totally understandable) I still find myself agreeing with Will. His happiness is just of merit as Helens.

Now to the season part. I'm starting to getting a little aggrevated about all this Helen and Will only episodes like this one. Thier are other characters too you know. It seems like thier is this massive development for two characters while Henry, Kate, the late Ashley, Bigfoor among others background is limitied. It reminds me of SGA in a lot of ways and I was hoping Sanctuary would fix this problem in S2. Given Pavor Nocturnus and Next Tuesday I guess I was wrong.

I think the Helen/Will episodes are a cost savings measure. They don't have a big studio backing them, so they've had to scramble to get their financing together. One way to save money is to sign some regulars for 11(or fewer) episodes. Not ideal, but you do what you have to do to get the season produced.

Mike

cutecat93
December 6th, 2009, 09:55 AM
I loved this episode, it was surreal ... I noticed and loved the reaction from helen because ashley's birthday when she got stuck in the conduct of the platform was scary, after the Will was there to save her (as always) and she tried to leave it there, then I think the desire to die helen was not dissipated in her mind.
due to ashley? I do not know! maybe
the bald man just shows that she still has a pretty big drop by Druitt ... although he is more sexy, beautiful and seductive ... love those two ... I've read the synopsis of episode 10 called "haunted" will be romantic and revealing in part because of them that will get stuck together in a cell ... I can not wait to see!

Henry and the big guy was surfing ... ahhh very funny

this season is more surprising, is getting better, I love now is just wait for the subtitled episode because there are times when I can not understand what they are talking about because of the noise ... ashley by the statement in each episode is sure they will get it back next season, "I sure hope there is another season," thought

Anyone can write the excerpt of the conversation when Will tells magnus he knew about Olaf ... I can not understand

Where did you read about this? I know that episode 10 will be called Sleepers and will be with Nikola and not John. John will appear in episode 11, as far as I know. I hope Olaf is not as serious as it looks, I'm personally a H/N shipper, so Druitt is enough trouble for me, I don't need another baldy.

Rocky89
December 6th, 2009, 09:57 AM
OK, I'm finally here to write my review. :D

First starters I thought it was a really good episode, I loved how we were able to see a little more chemistry grow between Helen and Will and that they are now able to talk about more personal things with each other. I liked the editing, I like how it kept going back and forth revelling a little bit more of the real reason the squid went nuts, and how the scorpion on the helicopter.

One thing I really thought was cool was finding out that Helen was on board the Titanic, as soon as she said that date and Will's reaction I knew right away what she was talking about. The little things I found cute like the way they kept going at each other for wanting to go get away from the Sanctuary, and I loved how Helen wanted to go and see another man in her life. :D I loved seeing the 2 abnormals go at it, and seeing Helen throw that knife at the scorpion was wicked. ;)

The big thing on my mind was why Helen really didn't want Will to leave, and when she told him that "Next Tuesday" is Ashely's birthday. I was like "Awww" because that one moment to me proves that she's tired of shutting people out and she realizes Will can help her do that. Ultimately she's just a mother who's lost her child, and she doesn't want to spent Ashley's birthday alone, which is what she did for decades before she was born.

I thought the cliffhanger was wicked, I can't believe it ended like that, I was expecting more helicopter or boats to show up and save them, but they didn't, so I'm really eager to see how they get out of there. :)

Oh, and of course the wet Helen was most DEFINITELY the highlight of the episode for me :D. Which is why I made this Zip file- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KMALKJPA :D:D:D

I'll review more in my replies. :P

Falcon Horus
December 6th, 2009, 10:38 AM
Although there's more, but I've gone on long enough, the single MOST important thing I've learned this episode is that Amanda Tapping must have been a water baby.

Or just keen to put costars through this horrible water-experiences. I don't think they can be considered fun water play... I bet there's a limit of how long one can spend doing water scenes. :p And there was not much dry land in this one either... :p


Throw history out the window my friend , this is sci fi lol

As far as the Titanic goes - sorry, not something I want to throw out of the window. Because the things they used were facts in history, not twisted like the Tesla-character or the Ripper-character to put to good use. The Titanic still sunk to the bottom of the Atlantic. 1500 people, give or take a few, still died on board it. Molly Brown was indeed a passenger on the Titanic, and quite the excentric one for that day and age too. ;) But she just didn't haul people into lifeboats since she never went back after the ship had sunk.

If Helen was in the water, then someone else saved her, and kept her warm through the night until they were picked up by the Carpathia early the next morning.

Jack the Ripper is one of the great mysteries of the 19th Century, and all I know about it is what my cousin used in her work for school last year, about criminals in history, and criminals today.

But when it comes to Titanic... I am a total geek! :D

Commander Zelix
December 6th, 2009, 10:44 AM
So she can be alone with the memories of her daughter on the day of her daughter's birth? How horrible.

I think she just wanted *someone* there. Who might be able to provide a distraction when needed. But didn't know how to ask. :P She fumbled that badly. She's human.

suse
Oh, ok. Make sense. Thank you. :)

yessika
December 6th, 2009, 11:05 AM
Where did you read about this? I know that episode 10 will be called Sleepers and will be with Nikola and not John. John will appear in episode 11, as far as I know. I hope Olaf is not as serious as it looks, I'm personally a H/N shipper, so Druitt is enough trouble for me, I don't need another baldy.

The order of the episodes depends of where you live...I think in the US the Tesla one comes first, anybody know for certain? (I forgot :rolleyes:)

RealmOfX
December 6th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Where did you read about this? I know that episode 10 will be called Sleepers and will be with Nikola and not John. John will appear in episode 11, as far as I know. I hope Olaf is not as serious as it looks, I'm personally a H/N shipper, so Druitt is enough trouble for me, I don't need another baldy.

Re episode airing order :

Ep 10 is Haunted and Ep 11 is Sleepers. Syfy will be airing them out of order, Sleepers first then Haunted, and ITV4 in the UK will not.

Well, seeing as Helen said that she hadn't seen Olaf in decades...






I liked this episode, nice character bits. Though as much as I like the two hander episodes for their great characterisations I do wish that the show had a bigger budget so we could get a deeper look at other characters and not just Magnus & Will.

I'm willing to fund a 20 ep Season 3 but I just need to win the lottery first ;)
*wanders off to buy a jackpot lottery ticket*


I actually liked how they were just left in the oil well and didn't waste time from the ep explaining how they got out. It fit with the ep being more about the characters than the situation.

slurredspeech
December 6th, 2009, 11:39 AM
I look at this episode on two levels. As an episode on its own its good. But as a contribution to the season I was massively disappointed.

As an episode as a whole I liked how we saw Helen and Will interacting with another big abnormal hunt. I for some reason found myself compelled to agree with Will about the whole vacation debate. Given what they do they seem entitled to a vacation. Even after Helen tells why she wants Will to stay (which is totally understandable) I still find myself agreeing with Will. His happiness is just of merit as Helens.

Now to the season part. I'm starting to getting a little aggrevated about all this Helen and Will only episodes like this one. Thier are other characters too you know. It seems like thier is this massive development for two characters while Henry, Kate, the late Ashley, Bigfoor among others background is limitied. It reminds me of SGA in a lot of ways and I was hoping Sanctuary would fix this problem in S2. Given Pavor Nocturnus and Next Tuesday I guess I was wrong.

Very much agreed on the bolded part. Perhaps this won't be a popular opinion, but I've had quite enough of Will-Magnus heavy eapisodes this season. Never mind I'm not a huge Will fan to begin with, I can still appreciate their interaction. Alas. Everything in moderation.

Also, the reason she gives, while valid and understandable, I would find much more so had Henry been there instead of Will. Who knew Ashley longer (and thus was probably closer to her)? Not to mention the fact that we never did get a real insight into how Henry dealt with her death.

That said, it was a fun episode to watch on its own. I just can't help but think I'd have enjoyed it much more had it been a Henry-Helen one, and it would also serve nicely to further Henry's character.

Skydiver
December 6th, 2009, 11:43 AM
i get it

while will and helen are fun to watch, it would be a nice change to see some of the others interact with them too.

be nice to break up the 'monotony' so to speak

dosed150
December 6th, 2009, 11:49 AM
someone that made me laugh was when they talked about helen always working hard being because shes british, as a lazy british person i found that funny

KaKaCarter
December 6th, 2009, 12:24 PM
As far as the Helen being saved by Molly Brown. According to wikipedia(which obviously isn't 100% reliable) Molly brown's lifeboat did go back in search of survivors. If that is the case then she could have rescued Magnus.

AtlantisRules!!!
December 6th, 2009, 12:53 PM
The Abnormal fight reminded me of Godzilla :P Two creatures duking it out while the human's watch. :p:P

Homer 120
December 6th, 2009, 01:03 PM
Will: ''WHAT IS IT ABOUT ME THAT THESE THINGS SEEM TO HATE!!''

CLASSIC Will line!

Edit: Will SyFy be taking a break with this too? Or is 02x09 still airing next week?

Falcon Horus
December 6th, 2009, 01:04 PM
As far as the Helen being saved by Molly Brown. According to wikipedia(which obviously isn't 100% reliable) Molly brown's lifeboat did go back in search of survivors. If that is the case then she could have rescued Magnus.

The lifeboat did, she didn't.

siles
December 6th, 2009, 01:32 PM
i get it

while will and helen are fun to watch, it would be a nice change to see some of the others interact with them too.

be nice to break up the 'monotony' so to speak

I agree. Have an episode where that focuses on Helen/Henry or Helen/Big Guy or even Helen/Kate interaction. To that extent I thought Helen had much stronger friendship with Henry and the big guy than with Will. So how come she let them go and didn't insist they were there for "next tuesday"? For that matter how come neither Henry, nor the big guy realized that Ashley's birthday is coming up and chose to go "surfing" instead of staying home and taking care of Helen if needed.
On a side note am I the only one projecting Teal'c over the big guy?

wine_buyer
December 6th, 2009, 01:53 PM
Hi All

Just finished reading all of the posts and once again you all have beaten me to the punch. note to self: gotta stop having wild parties on Saturdays so I can post in good time.:rolleyes: Anyway, here are my rambling (in no particular order) thoughts:

Helen in a wetsuit: a very good thing. :D
Will sticking his lower jaw out every 2 seconds a very annoying thing. :mad:
References to Titanic:a squee thing for me.
Will and Helen alternating between arguing and working together to solve a problem: one of my favorite things. :D
Although I would just as happily watch Helen and (insert name here) alternate between arguing and working together to solve a problem. The point being, it's about seeing the more emotional side of Helen battling with the more reserved part Helen that is ultimately more enjoyable for me, and these things usually happen when she is in a one-on-one "things are careening out of control" interaction with another character.
References to Ashley: always a good thing. You never get over the death of a loved one and seeing Ashley referenced throughout the season ads a level of realism to the show. (and probably pokes TPTB a bit)

As for the ending, I am thinking they will "hang a lantern on it" in the next episode or maybe they won't reference it at all if it's true that the eps will be shown out of order. They may just leave us to assume that the May-Day call went through.

jelgate
December 6th, 2009, 03:01 PM
I agree. Have an episode where that focuses on Helen/Henry or Helen/Big Guy or even Helen/Kate interaction. To that extent I thought Helen had much stronger friendship with Henry and the big guy than with Will. So how come she let them go and didn't insist they were there for "next tuesday"? For that matter how come neither Henry, nor the big guy realized that Ashley's birthday is coming up and chose to go "surfing" instead of staying home and taking care of Helen if needed.
On a side note am I the only one projecting Teal'c over the big guy?

I would like one focusing on Henry and Bigfoot. Their seems to be a deep friendship between those two.

kes
December 6th, 2009, 03:01 PM
A clip with 4 mistakes from this ep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fmziu3JhzA

Rocky89
December 6th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Will...wet suit...feeling faint...THUD!!!!


Yes, yes we do. Especially when he is all wet and his clothes cling to him and... *strays*

What was I saying... lol!!

To be honest, I was so-- and I mean SO focused on Helen that I kept forgetting Will was there. :D


I got such a Jack sparrow feel When Helen said, "Ello Beastie" It was so great me and my friend were laughing so hard.

I didn't get it until I read my posts. :D I've never seen PotC so I didn't know where that was from. Loved the way Helen said it though. :P



Fantastic... but I am mad at them for the cliffhanger.

I don't blame Helen for not wanting to be alone, although messing around with Will like that was a little beneath her. That said, she gets this mulligan given the givens. I'm sure she hoped he would figure Ashley's birthday out for himself.


Now that you pointed it out...lol! But I really liked the fact that they did put in Ashley birthday and how it was affecting Helen.


b/c i'd remained pretty spoiler free, that was a lovely thing to hear from helen. i'm VERY glad ashley hasn't been wiped out of existence in helen's heart and mind (like i've seen stargate do).



I loved that Ashley was mentioned. In a way I wanted them to talk more about her, but I Helen is so reserved--so of course she wouldn't mention the birthday before--that it probably wouldn't have been in character. And I think Will's learning not to push too much.

I don't blame Helen either, and I'm not bad either. I think it's safe to say Helen always knew she'd outlive Ashley, but she probably didn't think it'd happen so soon. She's behaving like any mother would after losing her only child, actually Helen didn't lose her, she was taken away from her. And it's natural that Helen didn't want to spent Ashley's birthday alone, and by her forcing Will to stay, means she trusts him enough to want to spent the day with. I think it's because Will also recently lost someone, so he knows how much it hurts.


And sexy when he is bad... lol!! I think she has a thing for the bad boys and John is the worst.

But i loved when they were treading water and helen makes the joke, "There is plenty of Fish in the Sea."

I was like that is so wrong... lol!! But funny!!

Yeah that joke made me smile. :)


:lol: I was wondering what PotC was... now I know.

I missed most of the ep, was at a very lame work Christmas party. Well, lame for me. Others had a blast. I hate loud crowds and louder music

The DVR seems to skip when I try to watch a recorded show, so I saw the 2nd showing live for the last 20 minutes. I need to remember to record the midweek show in low def. It plays better.

I'll enjoy trying to catch all the references.

suse

Ouch, sounds like you had it rough. :( Me, I make it my mission to stay home Friday nights and watch my show. Everyting/anything else will just have to wait. :D


Hee, that was a great reference.

I also liked the callback to Pavor Nocturnus with Will's 'Bring on the Hail Mary' and Helen's reaction to that.

I don't remember that, when does he say that to her?



I really liked the episode. I think I've liked all the Helen & Will episodes, actually. We learned a bit about both of them, had some adventure and I actually kind of liked the way it ended. We didn't really need to see the ultimate rescue. Good to see Helen relaxed with a friend even if by videophone--Olaf, hmm.

Favorite line: "They're both in Germany, Will." Just the way Helen/AT said it was great!

Molly Brown having saved Helen was a bit obvious, but I still liked it for the historical reference.

I loved that line too, you could tell she was trying to hide something. :D And despite who/what this Olaf looks like, it was good seeing her chill with a friend. :):P



i 've always thought helen being on the titanic was a gimme

and yeah, i did wonder how come she didn't think 'let's use these nice big cables and climb out


i know climbing the cables wouldn't have been fun or easy....but when it's that or treading water until you drown????

True, they could have done that, but to quote Jack O'Neill, "Yes. But you’ve been ignoring the dramatic element of... suspense." :jack:


Wet Helen bossing around, flying a helicopter, throwing knives, and cracking jokes.... Me likes! :D

Hell yes, and yes to all the other things you said. :D


Fun episode. I loved the Helen/Will interaction. They are really good friends but there are still so many things they need to learn about each other (especially Will about Helen).

I love the call back to Ashley, and the fact that she isn't forgotten from the show.

Really enjoyed the Titanic part too. Umm.... Olaf... just.... NO.... seriously.

I'm glad we got to see a little more into their personal side, and they both have this feeling of loneliness they can't shake.


Really enjoyed the action and the give and play between Helen and Will. I had read a blurb saying that this ep showcased how friends could be at each others necks sometimes and be so dysfunctional, but still remain and even grow closer through it. I saw this, but I think I expected more. Oh don't get me wrong, there definitely was tension, but not the level I guess I was expecting.

I did love the moment when Will revealed how lonely he was since Clara's death (and the reason for the internet meet up with Sigrid). Helen's answer was very matter-of-fact (Helen: Goes with the territory I'm afraid.), but I sensed a underlying layer of her own loneliness as well. I know it's been said before here, but to live that long and to see so many people she has loved pass away... It makes me more appreciate the strength of Helen when something like this might normally make one very bitter, I believe.

Lots and lots of brilliant lines in this one too that just made me laugh.

Loved the 'ello beastie' moment when 'squidley' reared out of the water.

Will: What is it with you and flying anyway?
Helen: Two crashes in 158 years? That's not bad.
Will: They only invented flying 110 years ago so...

Will: You just blew the whole thing... It's..gone! Your crazy you know that? Your absolutely, certifiably insane.
Helen: That was pretty cool.
Will: Cool? Yeah! That was like James Bond Die Hard cool.

With this last one, I loved the smug look on Helen's face. Think that made me laugh as much as the exchange between the two. :)

Also, I loved the fact that even though it took such a horrible shared experience to get it out of her, sharing with Will the real reason why she didnt want him going to Iceland for the conference was very touching. Kudos for Ashely not being forgotten too.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. :) I'm glad Helen and Will were pushed into telling each other their motives for what they were trying to do in the ep, it gave them a chance to bond closer. :) and I love those lines you posted. :D



So Helen was on board the Titanic, and if she had to be hauled out of the water, probably not as a first class passenger, but more likely as a second class passenger. Most of the first class passengers survived without much contact with the actual water.
Atlantic water is freezing, especially the place where the Titanic went under. This water must have felt like tropic sea water in comparison. A walk in the park... :p

Can we have some flashbacks to the Titanic please?


I think she was 1st class. She has the money. I was thinking more like she refused to get on a boat or was helping the 3rd class passengers.

But a better question:
Was she alone?

I to think Helen was definitely when of those first class passengers, besides that she's so classy :rolleyes:, I'd imagine she'd be rich enough to afford to be in first class with the other people. I wonder if she had company on the ship.

I'm not really surprised she was on the Titanic, I mean we see a paper about it in the opening credits, but I always thought it was to showcase the Mermaid, I never connected it to her actually being on the ship. When I look at the opening credits now, I think maybe she's one of those people being rescued in the paper-
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/Rocky89_04/vlcsnap-225846.png

Rocky89
December 6th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Re episode airing order :

Ep 10 is Haunted and Ep 11 is Sleepers. Syfy will be airing them out of order, Sleepers first then Haunted, and ITV4 in the UK will not.

Hmm. That's cool. :)


Well, seeing as Helen said that she hadn't seen Olaf in decades...

Maybe she wasn't telling Will the truth about that. :D


I liked this episode, nice character bits. Though as much as I like the two hander episodes for their great characterisations I do wish that the show had a bigger budget so we could get a deeper look at other characters and not just Magnus & Will.

I'd like to a Helen and Henry episode. :)


I'm willing to fund a 20 ep Season 3 but I just need to win the lottery first ;)
*wanders off to buy a jackpot lottery ticket*

You'd better win, and if you do, don't go off and say you didn't so you can keep the money for yourself. :D


As far as the Helen being saved by Molly Brown. According to wikipedia(which obviously isn't 100% reliable) Molly brown's lifeboat did go back in search of survivors. If that is the case then she could have rescued Magnus.

I also looked up Molly Brown and read the same thing, she went back to try and help those survivors. I'll never watch the movie Titanic again, I'll think of Helen every time. But I'd love to see some flashback to her on the ship. :)


Will: ''WHAT IS IT ABOUT ME THAT THESE THINGS SEEM TO HATE!!''

CLASSIC Will line!

Edit: Will SyFy be taking a break with this too? Or is 02x09 still airing next week?

Poor Will, it does seem like they hate him. :D And yes, a new episode will be on next week. I can't wait to see how they got out, talk about a cliffhanger. ;)

http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/index.php (Beware of spoilers)


A clip with 4 mistakes from this ep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fmziu3JhzA

Yeah I saw that. :D

Skydiver
December 6th, 2009, 04:07 PM
sillytrivia about the titanic

i have a book that was published in 1912, and it had lists of survivors and the dead

the first cabin survivors were 3 pages, the second cabin 2, and the third class and crew 'is omitted to the impossibility of obtaining the correct names of many' ( in other words, no one knows who they were and no one really cared, they were just immigrants, poor and workers'

the list of the dead for first cabin is almost 2 pages, the second cabin, almost 3 pages....steerage and crew omitted to the same reasons as above

no one was ever officially blamed despite Bruce Ismay being heard urging for speed, despite multiple warnings of ice. there was never a general 'all hands' warning - getting into the life rafts was spread via word of mouth.

1176 or slightly more could have been saved - that was the lifeboat capacity, only 706 were. the californian was only 19 miles away but never answered the titanic's calls. if they had hundreds more might have survived

amongst the stuff lost was 3500 bags of mail and the carpathia lost 10,000 dollars in lost time and having to reprovision after her errand of mercy

it is because of htis tragedy that ALL liners MUST not only have enough life boats to go around, but also MUST have mandatory life boat drills

Falcon Horus
December 6th, 2009, 04:34 PM
When I look at the opening credits now, I think maybe she's one of those people being rescued in the paper-
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/Rocky89_04/vlcsnap-225846.png

In a romantized version... maybe...but there was nothing romantic about the sinking or the dying of so many people. :(

May I be the one to set the record straight for all you non-believers - :p

Margaret Tobin Brown (http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/molly-brown.html) (aka the infamous Unsinkable Molly Brown) who was never called Molly in the first place:

From the Encyclopedia Titanica (http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/):


After the ship struck the iceberg, Margaret helped load others into lifeboats and eventually was forced to board lifeboat six. She and the other women in lifeboat six worked together to row, keep spirits up, and dispel the gloom that was broadcast by the emotional and unstable Robert Hichens.

So in short - no, the part where Helen says being hauled aboard a liferaft by Molly Brown is pure and utter fiction. And thus I can take this as fiction just the way Jack and Tesla have been used as reference characters and twisted to be used for the purpose of the show, retaining their historical value but still fit within the storyline.


Sidenote: Did I mention that I'm a Titanic-geek? :p

jckfan55
December 6th, 2009, 06:03 PM
Re: Titanic--I don't care about the historical correctness of the Molly Brown rescue. This isn't a docudrama. :p :D
What I did like was that it clearly is still something painful for Helen to remember. TPTB didn't try to make it some big adventure.

Re: Helen not wanting Will to leave for Ashley's birthday but letting the others go. Knowing Magnus and the others, they probably thought they'd give her some space. And she wouldn't have been able to say "I want you around b/c I'm having a hard time."
Will, on the other hand, imho, she could order to stay and wouldn't have to admit why.Being in control emotionally is very important to her.



Re: 2 person episodes/stand alones--I like stand alone episodes in the mix. And I don't mind a couple of Magnus/Will eps (even though Will isn't my favorite character--though I tend to like him better with Helen). I liked that having them trapped meant we got some time to reveal a few things about Helen. Not a lot of time for that in most monster hunts.
But I agree with those who say it would be nice to have Helen & Henry have more time together. Though I don't know if Henry would challenge Magnus the way Will seems willing to.
just my 2 cents :)

wine_buyer
December 6th, 2009, 06:12 PM
When I look at the opening credits now, I think maybe she's one of those people being rescued in the paper-

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/...nap-225846.png

Possible Titanic scenario. Keeping in mind that this is a compromise in regards to historical fact (but then most of Sanctuary is a compromise in regards to historical fact :D).

If you look at the picture you can see a mermaids tail. A couple of possibilities arise.

1. Helen was on the Titanic to pick up a Mermaid (perhaps the one at the Sanctuary now) and as a result was not necessarily in first class but some other location on the ship. The ship sinks. The mermaid, being a very good and very fast swimmer, rescues Helen and swimming very quickly, catches up with Molly Brown's lifeboat and then Molly pulls Helen out of the water.

2. Or perhaps Helen was in 1st class but missed her chance at the lifeboats (probably too busy helping others) and ends up in the water. The mermaid who seems to have some sort of psychic or telepathic abilities in her communications with humans realizes that Helen should be saved and does so as described above.

It's the only way I can reconcile history with what Helen said in this ep and she does have a mermaid. So maybe? ;)

Skydiver
December 6th, 2009, 06:19 PM
I think that there's no way for there to have been corroboration of helen's story. The names of survivors is relatively well known (although, if you saw the movie Titanic, it really was that easy to become someone else, photo id's didn't even exist, and i don't think social security numbers did either, you were who you said you were)

I do kinda think that it is an example of the name dropping going a bit too far. Helen could have just said 'i was one of very few that came out of the water...alive' and leave molly out of it.

or have her say it, and will go 'wait a minute, i saw the movie and...' and she interrupts 'changing your identity was frightfully easy back then' and it's over

One thing that does tweak me a bit, the more i think about it, in Eulogy, helen is chafing because big guy is 'guarding' her,


HELEN
Stop doting on me. It makes my teeth itch.

BIGGIE
Mine too. Now, eat.

would she REALLY want will around? or would she want to sulk on her own? I'd almost see her wanting to push him away and get him out of town rather than keeping him close.

I know it works for the story, it just doesn't seem to work with how helen has been in the past

Skydiver
December 6th, 2009, 06:21 PM
or...history is often written the way people WANT it to be written. so if helen was 'saved' by some 'angel of the deep' the traumatized and shocked members of the boat could have been sworn to secrecy. as long as they all told the same story, whatever the told became the 'truth'

wine_buyer
December 6th, 2009, 06:54 PM
or...history is often written the way people WANT it to be written. so if helen was 'saved' by some 'angel of the deep' the traumatized and shocked members of the boat could have been sworn to secrecy. as long as they all told the same story, whatever the told became the 'truth'

Or they may not have seen the 'angel of the deep'. It was very dark and the mermaid could have swam with Helen up to a point and then let Helen swim a short distance to the boat by herself. As for the mermaid ending up at the Sanctuary, Helen could have gone back for her at another time thus negating any need for anyone else to see the mermaid. I'm suddenly struck by how I am trying to make sense of history (Helen's not the Titanic's ) that hasn't actually happened in reality. I gotta get out more. ;) :D

Skydiver
December 6th, 2009, 06:59 PM
or it could have been some other sort of abnormal. the rest of the mer folk live in the bermuda triangle - or did before Requiem

i can't imagine many creatures liking the frigid waters of the north atlantic

but IF she was ferrying an abnormal, anything could have helped her. not to mention her own longevity giving her a heads up in surviving hypothermia. In water that cold, you freeze to death and die in less than half an hour, possibly as little as 15 minutes

Eternal Density
December 6th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Fun episode, and very good CGI work!

the part where Helen says being hauled aboard a liferaft by Molly Brown is pure and utter fiction.And the part where Helen actually exists. But I see that your point is that anyone saying they were 'hauled aboard a liferaft by Molly Brown' would be pure and utter fiction, regardless of whether they'd been injected with vampire blood.

wine_buyer
December 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM
or it could have been some other sort of abnormal. the rest of the mer folk live in the bermuda triangle - or did before Requiem

i can't imagine many creatures liking the frigid waters of the north atlantic

but IF she was ferrying an abnormal, anything could have helped her. not to mention her own longevity giving her a heads up in surviving hypothermia. In water that cold, you freeze to death and die in less than half an hour, possibly as little as 15 minutes

Very good point. If that is a mermaids tale in the Titanic drawing then they have a little continuity issue going on unless the mer folk can live in any climate but prefer warmer ones.

suse
December 6th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Or they just associated the water stuff together in the opening credits...

EvenstarSRV
December 6th, 2009, 09:08 PM
In a romantized version... maybe...but there was nothing romantic about the sinking or the dying of so many people. :(

May I be the one to set the record straight for all you non-believers - :p

Margaret Tobin Brown (http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/molly-brown.html) (aka the infamous Unsinkable Molly Brown) who was never called Molly in the first place:

From the Encyclopedia Titanica (http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/):



So in short - no, the part where Helen says being hauled aboard a liferaft by Molly Brown is pure and utter fiction. And thus I can take this as fiction just the way Jack and Tesla have been used as reference characters and twisted to be used for the purpose of the show, retaining their historical value but still fit within the storyline.


Sidenote: Did I mention that I'm a Titanic-geek? :p

Cool, thanks for the Titanic info! Most of what I know comes either from the movie or Connie Willis's book Passage. :P

I know they're not historically accurate, but I really like these bits of history in the show. Helps build the Sanctuary world as a kind of parallel one to ours.


Possible Titanic scenario. Keeping in mind that this is a compromise in regards to historical fact (but then most of Sanctuary is a compromise in regards to historical fact :D).

If you look at the picture you can see a mermaids tail. A couple of possibilities arise.

1. Helen was on the Titanic to pick up a Mermaid (perhaps the one at the Sanctuary now) and as a result was not necessarily in first class but some other location on the ship. The ship sinks. The mermaid, being a very good and very fast swimmer, rescues Helen and swimming very quickly, catches up with Molly Brown's lifeboat and then Molly pulls Helen out of the water.

2. Or perhaps Helen was in 1st class but missed her chance at the lifeboats (probably too busy helping others) and ends up in the water. The mermaid who seems to have some sort of psychic or telepathic abilities in her communications with humans realizes that Helen should be saved and does so as described above.

It's the only way I can reconcile history with what Helen said in this ep and she does have a mermaid. So maybe? ;)

I like the 1st option. Even if it wasn't Sally the mermaid, perhaps Helen was transporting an abnormal that helped push her towards Molly's lifeboat so she could be rescued.



One thing that does tweak me a bit, the more i think about it, in Eulogy, helen is chafing because big guy is 'guarding' her,



would she REALLY want will around? or would she want to sulk on her own? I'd almost see her wanting to push him away and get him out of town rather than keeping him close.

I know it works for the story, it just doesn't seem to work with how helen has been in the past

Maybe she wanted Will around rather than Bigfoot or Henry because he wouldn't have coddled her like them. In Eulogy, Will was the only one willing to get into her face about stopping her search for Ashley, and he's kinda backed off on probing how she feels since then.

I can see Will as kind of middle ground for coping for Helen, she didn't want to be coddled but she didn't want to be on her own either, so Will could be there to distract her with work or something.

Mack_1
December 6th, 2009, 09:34 PM
Possible Titanic scenario. Keeping in mind that this is a compromise in regards to historical fact (but then most of Sanctuary is a compromise in regards to historical fact :D).

If you look at the picture you can see a mermaids tail. A couple of possibilities arise.

1. Helen was on the Titanic to pick up a Mermaid (perhaps the one at the Sanctuary now) and as a result was not necessarily in first class but some other location on the ship. The ship sinks. The mermaid, being a very good and very fast swimmer, rescues Helen and swimming very quickly, catches up with Molly Brown's lifeboat and then Molly pulls Helen out of the water.

2. Or perhaps Helen was in 1st class but missed her chance at the lifeboats (probably too busy helping others) and ends up in the water. The mermaid who seems to have some sort of psychic or telepathic abilities in her communications with humans realizes that Helen should be saved and does so as described above.

It's the only way I can reconcile history with what Helen said in this ep and she does have a mermaid. So maybe? ;)

Maybe you are on something here:sam:

I like this scenario better since this is a Sci fi show and no The History Channel; I was thinking about the same since we see the mermaid tail just as a boat is getting someone out the water. (seems to)


Totally think Helen was a first class passenger but held out helping others till the end or securing some abnormal on board. but you can clearly see she is uncomfortable thinking about that event in her life or still too trouble about it

Totally agree the Titanic tragedy is really sad.

helenmagnus23
December 7th, 2009, 02:09 AM
I loved this eps it was so cool :)

I loved seeing the scorpion and squid fighting on the helecopter that was so cool boath creatures looked so scary .

I loved the interaction between Helen and Will i liked Helen's reaction to Will saying the ''Hail Mary'' i thought PARVOR NOCTURNUS straight away .

I loved it how Ashley was mentioned and that it was her birthday i could imagin how Helen felt .

The TITANIC that was so cool Magnus was on the TITANIC when it sunk wow ! i'd love to see that eps :)

I realy liked this eps and i liked how it ended i thought the ending was done very well :)

I wounder which class Helen was in onboard the TITANIC given her work would be 1st,2nd or 3rd ?

kes
December 7th, 2009, 02:16 AM
Where did you read about this? I know that episode 10 will be called Sleepers and will be with Nikola and not John. John will appear in episode 11, as far as I know. I hope Olaf is not as serious as it looks, I'm personally a H/N shipper, so Druitt is enough trouble for me, I don't need another baldy.

In the US ep 10 will be Tesla's story and ep 11 Druitt's story. In the UK its reversed. Ep 10 is Druitt's story and ep 11 it's Tesla's story.
Syfy switched the order of the eps.

So ah Next Tuesday lol Topic..hmm. It was fun lol

Skydiver
December 7th, 2009, 03:57 AM
It would have been odd to me had helen NOT been upset about the titanic. If you've seen the Cameron movie, it's, well about as historically accurate as a hollywood movie can be. scenes in it were based on survivor accounts, such as the woman that heard ismay urging the captain to go faster, etc. A lot of the 'random' scenes on the boat were based on real life accounts.

and I don't know if any of us can truly imagine the utter tragedy of it all. the lack of leadership and organization, the panic, the confusion, the terror, especially once people realized that the boats were gone.

all these souls went to the deep because of human carelessness and arrogance. taking the northern route, the lookouts didn't even have binoculars, steaming full speed ahead when most of the other boats stopped for the night, not calling the alarm for about a half hour after the collision, locking and dooming steerage below so all the 'worthy' people stood a chance. the lack of life boats, the poor handling of the space taht they DID have.
They could see lights of another boat just 19 miles away, but the californian radio operator had gone to bed, so no one was awake to hear their cries for help. Once the lifeboats got away, they refused to come back until it was too late, so there were these people in the water, freezing to death, and the boats refused to help them.

the titanic was the 911 of the time, except the enemy was mother nature and human arrogance.

i don't think any of us can imagine the grief and terror and guilt these people went through. Whole families died that night.

it's obviously an experience that haunted helen for some time.

I think my only issue with it is, I love them putting helen in historical events. I think it's great. I do think, however, they need to work a bit harder to keep it plausible. If it's historical 'fact' that molly brown never pulled anyone out of the water, then don't have her pulling helen out of the water. Have it be someone anonymous.

It's kind of like the advice i give authors when they write whump fic, if you don't have the research to get your medicine at least close, then don't go into anatomical detail of how hurt the person is. Keep it vague, because the devil is in the details, and the more details you bring forth, the greater the chances that you'll get one of them wrong.

As to Olaf....stress relief. I think Helen doesn't even consider looking for a husband or life mate. I think she just 'has fun' and 'loves them and leaves them'

kes
December 7th, 2009, 04:49 AM
It would have been odd to me had helen NOT been upset about the titanic. If you've seen the Cameron movie, it's, well about as historically accurate as a hollywood movie can be. scenes in it were based on survivor accounts, such as the woman that heard ismay urging the captain to go faster, etc. A lot of the 'random' scenes on the boat were based on real life accounts.

and I don't know if any of us can truly imagine the utter tragedy of it all. the lack of leadership and organization, the panic, the confusion, the terror, especially once people realized that the boats were gone.

all these souls went to the deep because of human carelessness and arrogance. taking the northern route, the lookouts didn't even have binoculars, steaming full speed ahead when most of the other boats stopped for the night, not calling the alarm for about a half hour after the collision, locking and dooming steerage below so all the 'worthy' people stood a chance. the lack of life boats, the poor handling of the space taht they DID have.
They could see lights of another boat just 19 miles away, but the californian radio operator had gone to bed, so no one was awake to hear their cries for help. Once the lifeboats got away, they refused to come back until it was too late, so there were these people in the water, freezing to death, and the boats refused to help them.

the titanic was the 911 of the time, except the enemy was mother nature and human arrogance.

i don't think any of us can imagine the grief and terror and guilt these people went through. Whole families died that night.

it's obviously an experience that haunted helen for some time.

I think my only issue with it is, I love them putting helen in historical events. I think it's great. I do think, however, they need to work a bit harder to keep it plausible. If it's historical 'fact' that molly brown never pulled anyone out of the water, then don't have her pulling helen out of the water. Have it be someone anonymous.

It's kind of like the advice i give authors when they write whump fic, if you don't have the research to get your medicine at least close, then don't go into anatomical detail of how hurt the person is. Keep it vague, because the devil is in the details, and the more details you bring forth, the greater the chances that you'll get one of them wrong.

As to Olaf....stress relief. I think Helen doesn't even consider looking for a husband or life mate. I think she just 'has fun' and 'loves them and leaves them'


I think DK just tossed a name everyone would recognise. Plus serioulsy, is there anyone here that didnt picture the awesomeness that is Kathy Bates when she said Molly Brown lol

sandra-carter
December 7th, 2009, 04:52 AM
Where did you read about this? I know that episode 10 will be called Sleepers and will be with Nikola and not John. John will appear in episode 11, as far as I know. I hope Olaf is not as serious as it looks, I'm personally a H/N shipper, so Druitt is enough trouble for me, I don't need another baldy.

The episode "Haunted" will be displayed in the UK, the USA is displayed in the "sleepers" by giving the reverse order in each of the countries .. so we get two episodes on Friday ... just do not know if will be released to the web ... I hope so

is what we see in episode Magnus / Druitt

Dr Helen Magnus (Amanda Tapping) and her team rescue the passengers and crew of a sinking ship off the coast of South Africa and teleport them back to the Sanctuary for medical treatment. But when one of the peaceful refugees is brutally murdered, all eyes turn to Druitt (Christopher Heyerdahl). Magnus confronts Druitt, knowing that something has been awakened in him that is driving him to act on his murderous instincts. When Druitt takes off down the hallway, Magnus needs help from Kate (Agam Darshi) to stun him and stop him in his tracks.

The Sanctuary’s power systems start to experience a series of electrical fluctuations and surges, and Henry (Ryan Robbins) gets to work to stabilise them. But as Will (Robin Dunne) leaves the operating room, the door suddenly slams shut behind him. At the same time, Kate and Bigfoot, who are en route to check on the Abnormal containment area, are jolted to a stop in the elevator, trapped between floors. Magnus has secured Druitt in a containment cell where he recovers, handcuffed, and still weak from his ordeal. Just as the others experienced, the doors suddenly slam shut, locking them in the cell together, Druitt still trying to resist his urge to kill. Cut off from the others and with no power, Henry frantically tries to reboot the computer system and figure out what has caused the Sanctuary to take control.
(source: sanctuary spoiler zone)

site: sanctuary spoiler zone ... is awesome go and see

meredithchandler73
December 7th, 2009, 05:26 AM
I think DK just tossed a name everyone would recognise. Plus serioulsy, is there anyone here that didnt picture the awesomeness that is Kathy Bates when she said Molly Brown lol

Actually, I always picture Debbie Reynolds when I think of Molly Brown (as in the movie musical The Unsinkable Molly Brown) but that's partly because I adore movie musicals and haven't seen Titanic too many times.

Skydiver
December 7th, 2009, 07:01 AM
Let's remember to tag spoilers for future episodes please. This is for discussion of Next Tuesday and behind (so to speak) not what's to come

jckfan55
December 7th, 2009, 08:28 AM
I do kinda think that it is an example of the name dropping going a bit too far. Helen could have just said 'i was one of very few that came out of the water...alive' and leave molly out of it.


Or what might have been more interesting:
Will could have said: "Molly Brown?" and Helen could say: "Never met her."

Skydiver
December 7th, 2009, 08:50 AM
that woulda been perfect. keep up the mystery.

she goes 'never met her'
'you were on teh titanic and didn't meet molly brown?'
"It was the biggest ship in the world at the time, and besides, i had far more important things to do than glad hand'

and furthers helen's mystery (although, honestly, at the time, molly brown was nothing but an upstart 'commoner' that had the audacity to marry wealthy and didn't shyly sit in a corner like 'proper' ladies. she was loud and brash and seemed to be rather amused by all the snobbery tossed her way)

ddc
December 7th, 2009, 09:03 AM
The Hail Mary is a call back to Pavor Nocturnus.

Hail Mary as Will uses the term comes from football, a long pass, usualy as a last resort, thus the name (the QB basically praying it will work).


I think that there's no way for there to have been corroboration of helen's story. The names of survivors is relatively well known (although, if you saw the movie Titanic, it really was that easy to become someone else, photo id's didn't even exist, and i don't think social security numbers did either, you were who you said you were)

Social Security started in the early 30's, so no SSN's in 1912. And passports were just papers with official seals describing the person, no photos.

Skydiver
December 7th, 2009, 09:10 AM
so helen magnus could have said she was anyone, and the only way she'd be 'caught' is if someone from her past caught up with her.

TONS of people emigrated and made new identities for themselves. That's why emigration was often seen as a fresh start...you came and became who you wanted to be and that was it

In the Cameron movie when we saw Rose give her name as Rose Dawson, she turned her back on her past and became someone else, and it was as easy as giving a name. Especially in a disaster like that, it's not reasonable for anyone to have grabbed and kept their ID. I'm sure some did, but most did not (not that you had passports as much as identification papers)

Falcon Horus
December 7th, 2009, 12:00 PM
Re: Titanic--I don't care about the historical correctness of the Molly Brown rescue.

I do. Sometimes to keep it plausible, you need to stick to the truth in history or what is known about it.

And this is such a case as far as I am concerned. Could be just me, but when looking at Skydiver's replies, I don't think I'm the only one.


Possible Titanic scenario. Keeping in mind that this is a compromise in regards to historical fact (but then most of Sanctuary is a compromise in regards to historical fact :D).

If you look at the picture you can see a mermaids tail. A couple of possibilities arise.

1. Helen was on the Titanic to pick up a Mermaid (perhaps the one at the Sanctuary now) and as a result was not necessarily in first class but some other location on the ship. The ship sinks. The mermaid, being a very good and very fast swimmer, rescues Helen and swimming very quickly, catches up with Molly Brown's lifeboat and then Molly pulls Helen out of the water.

2. Or perhaps Helen was in 1st class but missed her chance at the lifeboats (probably too busy helping others) and ends up in the water. The mermaid who seems to have some sort of psychic or telepathic abilities in her communications with humans realizes that Helen should be saved and does so as described above.

It's the only way I can reconcile history with what Helen said in this ep and she does have a mermaid. So maybe? ;)

YESSSSSSS!!!! Fanfic? Please? *big pleading smile with puppy-dog eyes* If you can... maybe... possibly? ANYONE?


or...history is often written the way people WANT it to be written. so if helen was 'saved' by some 'angel of the deep' the traumatized and shocked members of the boat could have been sworn to secrecy. as long as they all told the same story, whatever the told became the 'truth'

Oh, yes... more fanfic...


but IF she was ferrying an abnormal, anything could have helped her. not to mention her own longevity giving her a heads up in surviving hypothermia. In water that cold, you freeze to death and die in less than half an hour, possibly as little as 15 minutes

Hypothermia, leading to suffocation, and death... It was painless but cold.


But I see that your point is that anyone saying they were 'hauled aboard a liferaft by Molly Brown' would be pure and utter fiction...

Try reading that in regards to the Titanic historical facts-part, and you don't miss my point entirely. ;)


If you've seen the Cameron movie, it's, well about as historically accurate as a hollywood movie can be.

A true blockbuster...


...scenes in it were based on survivor accounts, such as the woman that heard ismay urging the captain to go faster, etc. A lot of the 'random' scenes on the boat were based on real life accounts.

And a few stuff things that weren't possible at all in that day and age, plus the few ... err... mistakes. :p


the titanic was the 911 of the time, except the enemy was mother nature and human arrogance.

And a lot of bad luck...


it's obviously an experience that haunted helen for some time.


Mmmm.... fanfic anyone?


I think my only issue with it is, I love them putting helen in historical events. I think it's great. I do think, however, they need to work a bit harder to keep it plausible. If it's historical 'fact' that molly brown never pulled anyone out of the water, then don't have her pulling helen out of the water. Have it be someone anonymous.

Second that.


As to Olaf....stress relief. I think Helen doesn't even consider looking for a husband or life mate. I think she just 'has fun' and 'loves them and leaves them'

*falls into shaft, straight down into the gutter*


I think DK just tossed a name everyone would recognise. Plus serioulsy, is there anyone here that didnt picture the awesomeness that is Kathy Bates when she said Molly Brown lol

A fraction of a second...


...molly brown was nothing but an upstart 'commoner' that had the audacity to marry wealthy and didn't shyly sit in a corner like 'proper' ladies. she was loud and brash and seemed to be rather amused by all the snobbery tossed her way...

Would have loved to have met her. :p

jckfan55
December 7th, 2009, 12:08 PM
I do. Sometimes to keep it plausible, you need to stick to the truth in history or what is known about it.
Ordinarily I'd agree with you. I actually surprise myself here. I'm usually the first to have problems with historical inaccuracies and dramatic license, but given that we're not exactly dealing in the real world in Sanctuary (unless you believe Nikola Tesla was really a vampire etc), ;) I'm not going to quibble about the Molly Brown reference. But to each his own.
That said, if Brown really *didn't* fish anyone out of the drink, then it would have been better not to have her rescuing Helen.

RealmOfX
December 7th, 2009, 12:29 PM
Ordinarily I'd agree with you. I actually surprise myself here. I'm usually the first to have problems with historical inaccuracies and dramatic license, but given that we're not exactly dealing in the real world in Sanctuary (unless you believe Nikola Tesla was really a vampire etc), ;) I'm not going to quibble about the Molly Brown reference. But to each his own.
That said, if Brown really *didn't* fish anyone out of the drink, then it would have been better not to have her rescuing Helen.

I'm with you, Sanctuary isn't set in our world so I don't know why some people insist it should tally up with events in our world. Think alternate reality peeps ;)

AresLover452
December 7th, 2009, 12:46 PM
Totally I was like she just didn’t say that!!LOLand Will’s face so good. And she definitely has a thing for bald men and agree again John is the better looking and sexy as well you catch my “drift” LOL




I loved that!! John is the better bald man of the two... Definitely more sinister.


Only on Sanctuary could a Sea Scorpion and a Vampire Squid be mortal enemies... It was glorious!! lol!!!

Mack_1
December 7th, 2009, 12:52 PM
I think DK just tossed a name everyone would recognise. Plus serioulsy, is there anyone here that didnt picture the awesomeness that is Kathy Bates when she said Molly Brown lol

Picture her every time; specially now that I seen a picture of the real person and see that KB looks so much like the real MB:cameron:

kes
December 7th, 2009, 02:05 PM
Hail Mary as Will uses the term comes from football, a long pass, usualy as a last resort, thus the name (the QB basically praying it will work).



I know, I learn that on Frasier :D But in this case Magnus reaction is due to him saying it in Pavor Nocturnus :D

ann_sgcfan
December 7th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Regarding Molly Brown - I'm divided on the issue.

On one side Yes I know a little about Molly Brown from the movie and museum exhibits. Therefore, when Helen mentioned Molly Brown (passenger and survivor of the Titanic) it gave Helen some creditability to actually being on the ship. My next reaction was, "I thought Molly Brown didn't go back to rescue anyone." So it kind of pulled me out of the show briefly. It didn't bother me as much as others that have more in depth knowledge on the subject.

It's the same issue broken Brooklyn Bridge, it's the first suspended bridge in the US. However, the show has the bridge located clear across the country in Pacific Northwest. It's a historic icon, if you will, to New York City. It pulls some out of the show and others not so much. That's why the occasional reviewer sets the show in New York, because of the photos of the Brooklyn Bridge in ruins.

I think they want to select events/ visual icons in history to provide credibility to Helen's longevity, which is cool! However, I think that will backfire to some degree depending on the audiences knowledge of the subject. Yes it is supposed to be an alternate universe, but it still closely resembles ours in the past Presidents Helen mentioned, Some of Tesla's inventions, JtR case which many here use as a time table for events, the Titanic and even the Beatles creep into the dialog :P. So at some point the AU kicks in for the show and our history is no longer a valid reference. I just think that line is a little hazy depending on the audience knowledge of the subject.

CarnalPIE
December 7th, 2009, 03:19 PM
Plus serioulsy, is there anyone here that didnt picture the awesomeness that is Kathy Bates when she said Molly Brown lol

I didn't. Bates' version of Molly Brown got totally pwned in Titanic.

Molly: "Um, shouldn't we go back to pick up survivors?"

Crew Member: "SHUT UP or I'll toss you overboard!"

Molly: " <mousey squeak> "

So yeah.

majorsal
December 7th, 2009, 03:46 PM
I think my only issue with it is, I love them putting helen in historical events. I think it's great. I do think, however, they need to work a bit harder to keep it plausible. If it's historical 'fact' that molly brown never pulled anyone out of the water, then don't have her pulling helen out of the water. Have it be someone anonymous.



what if molly went along with helen and kept it secret? molly sees what really brought helen up to the boat, and deciding not to freak out the rest of the passengers, just pulls helen aboard. then later, molly asks helen what was it in the water with her, and helen tells her the truth and asks her to keep it to herself. molly, being the forward thinking and cool chick she was, agrees.

there's a fic! :p

majorsal
December 7th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Actually, I always picture Debbie Reynolds when I think of Molly Brown (as in the movie musical The Unsinkable Molly Brown) but that's partly because I adore movie musicals and haven't seen Titanic too many times.

i *love* 'the unsinkable molly brown' movie! :p

(amanda would have been fab in that movie :D)

wine_buyer
December 7th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Ordinarily I'd agree with you. I actually surprise myself here. I'm usually the first to have problems with historical inaccuracies and dramatic license, but given that we're not exactly dealing in the real world in Sanctuary (unless you believe Nikola Tesla was really a vampire etc), ;) I'm not going to quibble about the Molly Brown reference. But to each his own.
That said, if Brown really *didn't* fish anyone out of the drink, then it would have been better not to have her rescuing Helen.

You mean this isn't real??? :eek: :D


..I like the 1st option. Even if it wasn't Sally the mermaid, perhaps Helen was transporting an abnormal that helped push her towards Molly's lifeboat so she could be rescued.

Absolutely. Abnormals are always involved. :D


I can see Will as kind of middle ground for coping for Helen, she didn't want to be coddled but she didn't want to be on her own either, so Will could be there to distract her with work or something.I can see that as well. Will won't push but at the same time I think he would be there for her if needed. If not then, as you say, a distraction.


...I think my only issue with it is, I love them putting helen in historical events. I think it's great. I do think, however, they need to work a bit harder to keep it plausible. If it's historical 'fact' that molly brown never pulled anyone out of the water, then don't have her pulling helen out of the water. Have it be someone anonymous.

It's kind of like the advice i give authors when they write whump fic, if you don't have the research to get your medicine at least close, then don't go
into anatomical detail of how hurt the person is. Keep it vague, because the devil is in the details, and the more details you bring forth, the greater the
chances that you'll get one of them wrong.

As to Olaf....stress relief. I think Helen doesn't even consider looking for a husband or life mate. I think she just 'has fun' and 'loves them and leaves
them'

I am beginning to wonder if, for DK and company, it was about the historical person and not the historical event. AT has mentioned that they wanted to show that Helen had relationships (friendships, meetings, etc...) with famous women as well as famous men. So far they have referenced many famous men and shown at least four of them but no women, with the exception of Amelia Airhart in the opening credits.

Maybe because it was a "stranded in the water" ep DK thought it would be cool to reference Molly Brown, but in his effort to point out a famous woman that Helen knew he didn't check the historical facts and if you don't have the the facts then don't go there.

This of course leads to the inevitable verbal whumping by fans as well as an effort on our part to reconcile true history with TV show history. This is why I imagine that an abnormal was involved because dang it abnormals are always involved. ;) :P :D

As for Olaf, Helen did say she hadn't seen him in decades (just how old is he?) so maybe when they initially hooked up he was younger, cuter and um had more hair? Tho' our Helen does seem to like the bald bad boys. ;)


I think DK just tossed a name everyone would recognise. Plus serioulsy, is there anyone here that didnt picture the awesomeness that is Kathy Bates when she said Molly Brown lol

Yup
and
Yup
:D


YESSSSSSS!!!! Fanfic? Please? *big pleading smile with puppy-dog eyes* If you can... maybe... possibly?
ANYONE?

Would love to see a fanfic on Helen/Titanic/Abnormal involvement *hmm that sounded better in my head* It won't be me writing it tho' as I haven't written fanfic in ages (and that was for a different show) so I wouldn't know where to start. Any volunteers? *but please no nightmare inducing ficcies with Olaf :S*


Originally Posted by Skydiver: As to Olaf....stress relief. I think Helen doesn't even consider looking for a husband or life mate. I think she
just 'has fun' and 'loves them and leaves them'


*falls into shaft, straight down into the gutter*Right there with ya...is there room for two? :D

RealmOfX
December 7th, 2009, 07:23 PM
Maybe because it was a "stranded in the water" ep DK thought it would be cool to reference Molly Brown, but in his effort to point out a famous woman that Helen knew he didn't check the historical facts and if you don't have the the facts then don't go there.

Or maybe Damian decided that since his world of Sanctuary isn't exactly the same as ours that in his world Molly Brown did pick up Helen.

wine_buyer
December 7th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Or maybe Damian decided that since his world of Sanctuary isn't exactly the same as ours that in his world Molly Brown did pick up Helen.

Which is exactly why I said "This is why I imagine that an abnormal was involved because dang it abnormals are always involved." ;) :D

suse
December 7th, 2009, 09:06 PM
Maybe she wanted Will around rather than Bigfoot or Henry because he wouldn't have coddled her like them. In Eulogy, Will was the only one willing to get into her face about stopping her search for Ashley, and he's kinda backed off on probing how she feels since then.

I can see Will as kind of middle ground for coping for Helen, she didn't want to be coddled but she didn't want to be on her own either, so Will could be there to distract her with work or something.

Exactly how I saw it. :)

Chelle DB
December 8th, 2009, 12:44 AM
You mean this isn't real??? :eek:
Of course it's real...welcome to my life!!! :D

what if molly went along with helen and kept it secret? molly sees what really brought helen up to the boat, and deciding not to freak out the rest of the passengers, just pulls helen aboard. then later, molly asks helen what was it in the water with her, and helen tells her the truth and asks her to keep it to herself. molly, being the forward thinking and cool chick she was, agrees.
there's a fic! :p
I agree...if it is historical fact that Molly Brown didn't pull anyone aboard the life boat, it's always plausible that perhaps she did but kept it secret to avoid being thrown overboard herself. Either way...I adore Molly Brown...the only good character in that infamous movie...Kathy Bates rocks! :D

hisg1fans
December 8th, 2009, 01:04 AM
Of course it's real...welcome to my life!!! :D

I agree...if it is historical fact that Molly Brown didn't pull anyone aboard the life boat, it's always plausible that perhaps she did but kept it secret to avoid being thrown overboard herself. Either way...I adore Molly Brown...the only good character in that infamous movie...Kathy Bates rocks! :D

I agree!!

I grew up in Colorado and remember learning about Molly Brown in 4th grade Colorado history lessons. We had to do projects and I remember making her hat with chicken feathers and a sombrero. It was huge! Great character.

I like that Sanctuary folks are using historical references, even if they are not100% accurate. What history account is? History is written by the "winners" and there is usually a totally different perspective that isn't ever documented.

There is so little history in the public media that anything is better than nothing. Even just a little tidbit like Molly pulling Helen from the water might just be enough to prompt kids (both big and little ;)) to look her up and learn more. There is nothing wrong with that in my book.

Chelle DB
December 8th, 2009, 02:20 AM
Actually, they may be using historical characters such as Jack the Ripper and the like but in the webisodes, it's said that John killed eight women where in fact JtR only killed 6...or depending on the evidence or lack thereof possibly only 5 as the first victim may not have been one of Jack's.
I was just noting the dates of the killings...they are on or around the 8th/9th of the month or the 30th/31st of the month...and 2 in one night alone.
Anyways, my point being that this is a tv show...not realty even if they use characters from the past...coz lets face it, Montague John Druitt was only a suspect and not proven guilty of the actual crimes.
:)

helenmagnus23
December 8th, 2009, 02:39 AM
I can see Molly Brown pulling Helen form the icey water in my TITANIC book it say's

The Unsinkable Molly Brown
US millionairess Molly Brown was one of 26 women on board lifeboat number 6.In charge was Quatermaster Hichens,who refused to row;so Molly Brown took command .She threated to throw Hichens overboard,and rowed furiously towards the rescue ship .Mrs Molly Brown's heroic determination earned her the title of ''the unsinkable Molly Brown''

Theory
My theory is that Helen was onboard the titanic to start a new life or Sanctuary in the US the ship sank i reckon Helen was in first class on board but as the titanic was going down she refused a seat on a life boat becase she may have been looking for abnormal aboard the ship but with all that was going on durring the sinking Helen could have been knocked overboard and another abnormal found her (mermaid)and led her to the nearest lifeboat in which Molly Brown pulled her aboard .

I could see that :)

Eternal Density
December 8th, 2009, 07:33 PM
Funny how much discussion there is about a single line of the show. I think a mountain has been made of a Moll hill.

So... I wonder what Sigrid looks like.

wine_buyer
December 8th, 2009, 07:54 PM
Of course it's real...welcome to my life!!! :D

:lol:


Funny how much discussion there is about a single line of the show. I think a mountain has been made of a Moll hill.

So... I wonder what Sigrid looks like.

1. But it's so much fun. :samanime20:
Sigrid? Possibly blond? ;)

CarnalPIE
December 8th, 2009, 08:03 PM
I can see Molly Brown pulling Helen form the icey water in my TITANIC book it say's

The Unsinkable Molly Brown
US millionairess Molly Brown was one of 26 women on board lifeboat number 6.In charge was Quatermaster Hichens,who refused to row;so Molly Brown took command .She threated to throw Hichens overboard,and rowed furiously towards the rescue ship .Mrs Molly Brown's heroic determination earned her the title of ''the unsinkable Molly Brown''


Interesting. Well, if that's what happened in real life, why did James Cameron dog out Molly Brown so bad in his Titanic movie?

Matt G
December 9th, 2009, 06:15 AM
1. Was surprised Helen was being so harsh - Will's probably earned a few nights in Reykjavik. Then again, Helen's earned a night or two in Munich as well.

2. Ashley's birthday. Ouch.

3. OK, why didn't they spot that scorpion thing earlier?

4. I guess I'm meant to assume they got out OK.

Tiger
December 9th, 2009, 12:46 PM
Honestly, I felt the episode was kinda useless. Just a filler with no growth.

They could had thrown in Will moving on and Magnus needing someone around for Ashley's birthday in any damn episode. But this was just boring and I was getting annoyed that nothing was really happening with the entire series.

wine_buyer
December 9th, 2009, 02:31 PM
Interesting. Well, if that's what happened in real life, why did James Cameron dog out Molly Brown so bad in his Titanic movie?

James Cameron strays from history not only with Molly Brown but in the following as well:

1. Captain E.J. Smith (Bernard Hill), comes across as an incompetent buffoon.

2. Lookout Frederick Fleet is distracted from his post because he's watching Rose and Jack make out on deck just before the collision occurs.
Since Jack and Rose are fictional and were never on the ship I think it's a given that this did not happen. ;)

3. White Star Line director Bruce Ismay is shown sneaking aboard a lifeboat. Ismay has long since been acquitted

4. Cal Hockley bribes First Officer Murdoch for a seat in a lifeboat. Nothing in history suggests that this ever took place.

5. The band in Cameron's movie plays "Nearer My God to Thee" , which is very sad and somber, as the ship is sinking. In reality the band played cheerful music such as "Alexander's Ragtime Band" and "Autumn"--a fact discussed in nearly every book written about the Titanic

Skydiver
December 9th, 2009, 03:30 PM
in the 'a night to remember' version, smith comes out better. he's the guy that realizes that he's not only lost his ship but that over half the crew will die and quietly does all he can to get the people off, manage the evac, etc. his last scene in that movie is to call out 'everyman for himself' and they never show his death

ismay still slinks his way onto a life boat, the steerage are kept below and locked below, men play soccer with the ice chunks on deck.

the californian is portrayed as seeing the rockets but they never radio the ship to find out what the fuss is about (although one officer turns it on, listens to it, didn't knowmorse so didn't realize he was listening to a desperate plea for help)

the lookouts were jsut shown as up there in the cold with no binoculars although there's no mention of them not having them

there's no bribary, although one officer does let a few men on cause he was played like he was just tired of fighting to keep men off

molly snarks back at the 'cowardly' sailor, gets the ladies to help row, talks about going back, but is never shown going back

and the band did just play music, not 'nearer my god to thee' although i'd swear that came from somewhere. that they played 'good mood' music to a point, then the hymn was the last song they played before they abandoned their instruments to die

KaKaCarter
December 9th, 2009, 11:49 PM
As far as i was aware it was reported that they 'Nearer my God to thee' as last song as it sank. Hartley the band leader had always wanted it played at his funeral.

Mousie
December 10th, 2009, 06:28 AM
I liked the episode and I'm hoping i'll have time to watch it again soon, hopefully tonight. The few spoilers I'd seen gave the impression that the bickering between them would be more than it was. I still enjoyed it though.

jckfan55
December 10th, 2009, 08:05 AM
Honestly, I felt the episode was kinda useless. Just a filler with no growth.

They could had thrown in Will moving on and Magnus needing someone around for Ashley's birthday in any damn episode. But this was just boring and I was getting annoyed that nothing was really happening with the entire series.

I didn't see it as a filler or boring. I thought it was a good mix of interpersonal and "menace of the week." ;)

Though you have a point that it didn't have to be *this* episode where they addressed these other issues. Still, I don't think Magnus & Will sit down for heart-to-hearts often, so having them trapped together may have opened up the possibility.

hisg1fans
December 10th, 2009, 08:40 AM
I didn't see it as a filler or boring. I thought it was a good mix of interpersonal and "menace of the week." ;)

Though you have a point that it didn't have to be *this* episode where they addressed these other issues. Still, I don't think Magnus & Will sit down for heart-to-hearts often, so having them trapped together may have opened up the possibility.

So, Helen and Will were trapped together last season in a submarine and this season in an oil rig. What body of water/machine do you suppose they'll get trapped in next season? ;)

I think this trend is good enough to repeat, how about you?

yessika
December 10th, 2009, 09:21 AM
So, Helen and Will were trapped together last season in a submarine and this season in an oil rig. What body of water/machine do you suppose they'll get trapped in next season? ;)

I think this trend is good enough to repeat, how about you?

I was thinking that too, I would definetly like to see that trend continue :)

Falcon Horus
December 10th, 2009, 11:17 AM
As far as i was aware it was reported that they 'Nearer my God to thee' as last song as it sank. Hartley the band leader had always wanted it played at his funeral.

The witness reports vary on this (like how some witnesses claimed the ship sank intact while others said it broke in half - which was only revealed when Ballard found the Titanic and it was clear she had broken into two pieces)...

Some say "Nearer My God To Thee" and others go with happy music. Nobody knows for sure what they played that faithful night, but all we know is that they did play till the very end.

EvenstarSRV
December 10th, 2009, 02:42 PM
So, Helen and Will were trapped together last season in a submarine and this season in an oil rig. What body of water/machine do you suppose they'll get trapped in next season? ;)

I think this trend is good enough to repeat, how about you?

Rafting the Grand Canyon looking for the rare and elusive chuckwalla. :D

It is a good trend, these two-hander are kinda benchmarks for the progression of Helen and Will's relationship. I just hope we don't get more than one of these per season, let the others in on some of the fun.

Mack_1
December 10th, 2009, 03:37 PM
Rafting the Grand Canyon looking for the rare and elusive chuckwalla. :D

It is a good trend, these two-hander are kinda benchmarks for the progression of Helen and Will's relationship. I just hope we don't get more than one of these per season, let the others in on some of fun.

ITA LOL:cameron::D


Or in a air balloon drifting away while looking for the mythological Phoenix

Skydiver
December 10th, 2009, 04:19 PM
I'd love to see a 'when the cat's away' episode....henry is in charge, or kate, and of course, all heck breaks loose, but they don't want to or can't call helen, so they scramble and tweak and improvise...and - of course - pull it together just before helen gets back

It'd be fun to see one of these 'two handers' with someone else

wine_buyer
December 10th, 2009, 04:35 PM
I'd love to see a 'when the cat's away' episode....henry is in charge, or kate, and of course, all heck breaks loose, but they don't want to or can't call helen, so they scramble and tweak and improvise...and - of course - pull it together just before helen gets back

It'd be fun to see one of these 'two handers' with someone else

And in the meantime someone (anyone?) should really do a fanfic on this idea because it is ripe with comic and adventurous possibilities. Assuming Sky doesn't mind being plagiarized. :D

Skydiver
December 10th, 2009, 04:40 PM
adopt that plot bunny with my blessing :)

majorsal
December 10th, 2009, 08:39 PM
tv was boring, so i rewatched 'next tuesday'.

*very* fun and enjoyable episode! :D

i loved helen and wil's bickering. :p

suse
December 10th, 2009, 08:44 PM
Podcast is up. Very technical re:FX.

Mousie
December 11th, 2009, 04:53 AM
I'd love to see a 'when the cat's away' episode....henry is in charge, or kate, and of course, all heck breaks loose, but they don't want to or can't call helen, so they scramble and tweak and improvise...and - of course - pull it together just before helen gets back

It'd be fun to see one of these 'two handers' with someone else

That could happen whilst Helen was on her once every 7 years long weekend to Italy, so they really don't want to disturb her.

wine_buyer
December 11th, 2009, 10:36 AM
adopt that plot bunny with my blessing :)

I sure hope someone does adopt it because it would make for a great story. Wish I could write it myself.



tv was boring, so i rewatched 'next tuesday'.

*very* fun and enjoyable episode! :D

i loved helen and wil's bickering. :D

I really liked this one too. The bickering is always fun and it's kind of fun to have a little monster eppy once and awhile. :)


That could happen whilst Helen was on her once every 7 years long weekend to Italy, so they really don't want to disturb her.

*falls face down in gutter* gotta stop doing that :o

jckfan55
December 11th, 2009, 11:17 AM
tv was boring, so i rewatched 'next tuesday'.

*very* fun and enjoyable episode! :D

i loved helen and wil's bickering. :p

Helen: "Don't pretend this is about some important intellectual exchange. This is about your libido." :D

mjwalshe
December 13th, 2009, 01:06 PM
i 've always thought helen being on the titanic was a gimme

and yeah, i did wonder how come she didn't think 'let's use these nice big cables and climb out

wel theres the animated bit in the credits for starters

mjwalshe
December 13th, 2009, 01:11 PM
:lol:



1. But it's so much fun. :samanime20:
Sigrid? Possibly blond? ;)

well could always get Bjork to play her as a guest star in S3 :-)

wine_buyer
December 13th, 2009, 06:24 PM
well could always get Bjork to play her as a guest star in S3 :-)

An abnormal if ever there was one. :lol:
Helen: Sigrid that's a um..er..lovely swan dress you're wearing.
Sigrid (as played by Bjork): What dress?

Skydiver
December 13th, 2009, 06:57 PM
hey, guess what? on discovery, they have these shows on dinosaurs, and right now it's prehistoric new york...and they had giant sea scorpions.

now 'giant' meant that it was about a foot or so long, but still, sea scorpions.

they were some of the first critters to leave the sea to forage. they are the ancestors of Horseshoe crabs

wonder if it was research or just a coinkidink?

wine_buyer
December 14th, 2009, 04:50 PM
hey, guess what? on discovery, they have these shows on dinosaurs, and right now it's prehistoric new york...and they had giant sea scorpions.

now 'giant' meant that it was about a foot or so long, but still, sea scorpions.

they were some of the first critters to leave the sea to forage. they are the ancestors of Horseshoe crabs

wonder if it was research or just a coinkidink?

It would be a pretty amazing coinkidink (can't believe there's someone other than me who says that :) ) Maybe they do their monster research by watching these shows on Discovery. It would be a good place to get ideas.

DigiFluid
December 16th, 2009, 07:56 PM
Much better than the previous episode, much.

Falcon Horus
December 17th, 2009, 11:46 AM
Much better than the previous episode, much.

I'm your complete opposite here. :p Thought Veritas rocked, and this was the boring one.

mjwalshe
December 17th, 2009, 01:50 PM
:lol:



1. But it's so much fun. :samanime20:
Sigrid? Possibly blond? ;)

Maybe Anna-Louise Plowman who played Osiris in SG

K^2
January 1st, 2010, 09:41 PM
Anyone else catch the letters/numbers on the helicopter? NOX79J (or something like that) But NOX!!
NOX17J, yeah. Not a properly formed tail number, by the way. All US numbers do start with 'N', but second symbol can only be a digit from 1 to 9. So it's definitely a made up sequence.

iamdragonrider
January 2nd, 2010, 07:37 AM
It was a good episode aside from the fact that they had an entire huge open ocean to crash into and of course managed to fall into the tiny narrow opening of the tube despite the odds to the contrary. I'm annoyed they ignored also how they were retrieved :P Oh well. I also would have liked to have known why the critters dislike Will so much compared to Magnus.

maylet
January 6th, 2010, 04:50 AM
Helen on the Titanic, I so saw that one coming, LOL of course she was there. Since I started to see Sanctuary (when they first were Web episodes) I may up my mind that Helen was in all the mayor things of history since she was a teenager.LOL

I felt so much sadness when she finally said to Will when she wanted him to be with her,she miss Ashley so much.It still makes me sad :(

Mousie
January 13th, 2010, 04:36 AM
It was a good episode aside from the fact that they had an entire huge open ocean to crash into and of course managed to fall into the tiny narrow opening of the tube despite the odds to the contrary. I'm annoyed they ignored also how they were retrieved :P Oh well. I also would have liked to have known why the critters dislike Will so much compared to Magnus.

The creature went loopy literally as they were lifting off so although the chopper was swinging wildy around they might not have gotten too much height and still been almost directly above the opening? (not sure I remember the sequence totally correctly). If they were further away from the rig it's also amazing then that the helicopter fell straight down (although it did get tangled on the cables) and didn't crash into the side seeing as it fell whilst in motion and should have had some residual thrust.

Samantha.Majka
June 4th, 2010, 10:43 AM
I really enjoyed this episode.
I love the idea of Helen piloting the helicopter. She looked very .. sexy .. :D

helenmagnus23
June 5th, 2010, 07:54 PM
I love this eps so much, i realy like the scenes between Helen and Will and the fight between the vamp squid and sea scorpion very cool and that sea scorpion looked real bada** i wouldnt want to be stung by it ouch!

I loved it how Helen told will he could better than the girl he had been chatting to on the net ...lol (is throughing him a little hint ;) i say yes )
And Olaf ..lol

I like it how Helen was on the Titanic (when i watch the movie i keep lookout for Magnus :) )

Helen:You're kidding, right? I mean, there's plenty of fish in the sea.

Samantha.Majka
July 21st, 2010, 02:17 AM
It was a good episode aside from the fact that they had an entire huge open ocean to crash into and of course managed to fall into the tiny narrow opening of the tube despite the odds to the contrary. I'm annoyed they ignored also how they were retrieved :P Oh well. I also would have liked to have known why the critters dislike Will so much compared to Magnus.

I think that they landed there .. they caught the creature and then , when they wanted to fly again, they fell ..

helenmagnus, yes, I love this line too. Helen said it great. :D

lastrequest
July 26th, 2010, 07:28 AM
I loved this ep - finding out about why she wanted him with her because of Ashley's birthday really did it for me.

But I would like to stress I'd be very happy if we never hear or see Sigrid or Olaf ever again. Seriously, like Will needs to internet date or Helen has to let a guy like Olaf "take care of her" ??

:lol:

Teal'c_PI
August 13th, 2010, 12:38 PM
It was a good episode aside from the fact that they had an entire huge open ocean to crash into and of course managed to fall into the tiny narrow opening of the tube despite the odds to the contrary. I'm annoyed they ignored also how they were retrieved :P Oh well. I also would have liked to have known why the critters dislike Will so much compared to Magnus.

I didn't really think of how much of a coincidence their crash was, but I was pretty much furious after it ended. They certainly didn't have to show a plane or another helicopter flying toward them, but at the very least the last line of dialogue could've been Helen saying, "Oh, we'll get rescued. I'm sure of it." I know the entire point of the episode was their argument as opposed to the adventure, but still...so much time was spent on the entire adventure that it could've actually been...well, resolved!

EDIT


I loved this ep - finding out about why she wanted him with her because of Ashley's birthday really did it for me.

But I would like to stress I'd be very happy if we never hear or see Sigrid or Olaf ever again. Seriously, like Will needs to internet date or Helen has to let a guy like Olaf "take care of her" ??

:lol:

I agree totally. When I saw Helen talking to Olaf, I think the first words that popped into my head were "Out Of Character." I absolutely disliked the fact that she was actually contemplating going on a date with him. :rolleyes:

NoCleverSig
September 14th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Someone, quick, help! I'm writing a fic and need to know, is it 5 years or every 7 years that helen says she goes to her villa in Italy? Thanks!

JanSam
September 15th, 2010, 04:50 AM
HELEN
I own a villa in Italy, on Capri, near Naples. I go there every seven years.

NoCleverSig
September 15th, 2010, 09:22 AM
HELEN
I own a villa in Italy, on Capri, near Naples. I go there every seven years.

YES, I got it right! Thanks so much JanSam!!!

Sp!der
December 13th, 2010, 12:11 AM
I liked this episode also even more than the last one although I like when everyone has a part in a mission and I am growing on Henry and big guy so. I also liked the will and Helen episodes although pavor nocturnes was by far the best episode they created. I think season two is a huge improvement in comparison on season one hope it does get better. Glad I buyer the season two DVDs :)

selene0789
September 22nd, 2011, 08:00 PM
Love love love!! This episode is also one of my favorites. Of course, it just so happens that it's another episode where everyone involved is wet for the entire episode, but still... The plot was solid, and it was one of those episodes where I noticed something was off, but that "off"ness was resolved by the end of the episode. I mean, all I can keep thinking is that Magnus is being so unreasonable, and it's so OOC for her. But then the end came and it was just such a simple, elegant, but perfectly vulnerable moment where she admitted the truth that I was just blown away.

Plus, I'm a huge fan of the bad SyFy creature feature movies they play on the weekends, and so the Abnormals in this episode totally fit that bill. It was perfect.

And the nod to the Titanic disaster just got me right *here*. It was tasteful, without it becoming the focus of the episode, and it was just one of those things that could spark a person's imagination, since we're all left to wonder the details behind it. There's something to be said for a show that can deliver just two lines and inspire me enough to write a fanfic on it. and a really killer one too, if I may say so myself :)

mathpiglet
February 8th, 2012, 10:41 AM
So how did they get out of there? I just watched the next episode and thought maybe SPACE skipped one.

Was this ever cleared up?

Falcon Horus
February 11th, 2012, 07:07 AM
So how did they get out of there? I just watched the next episode and thought maybe SPACE skipped one.

Was this ever cleared up?

Nope, this was never touched upon again.

mathpiglet
February 11th, 2012, 04:26 PM
Thanks for the answer, but that's a very odd way to end the episode! I was sure it would be a two-parter.

Falcon Horus
February 11th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Thanks for the answer, but that's a very odd way to end the episode! I was sure it would be a two-parter.

It most definitely wasn't a very usual ending, like the story was cut halfway because someone wrote themselves into a wall without thinking the whole thing through. :p

mathpiglet
February 11th, 2012, 04:35 PM
I wonder if this issue was ever addressed in the commentaries on the DVDs.

Falcon Horus
February 12th, 2012, 09:14 AM
I wonder if this issue was ever addressed in the commentaries on the DVDs.

I don't know... I have the season 2 DVD's. I should check. :p

mathpiglet
February 12th, 2012, 12:05 PM
Please do! A small one-page report should suffice! :p