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November 12th, 2009, 02:56 PM
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Lt. Scott and Camille visit their loved ones using the communication stones, leading Colonel Young to a discovery about Telford's activities. On the <I>Destiny</I>, Rush discovers technology he believes maybe able to get them home.

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AVFan
November 20th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Pretty good episode. Just an -eh- ending though.

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Gag me....please.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:01 PM
you know Saquist if you don't have anything positive to say don't say but you are entitled to your opinion

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:02 PM
loved the fight scene with Young and Telford he did a number on telford.

joeynox
November 20th, 2009, 07:03 PM
I liked the3 episode alot and Young tied with jackson as my fav character. we found out alot about scott in this episode.the chair is going to be a cool mystery and i want to see how rush uses the chair. SGU is written much better than sga imho. I loved sga but i always thought it didnt have an identity.SGU has an identity and its f****** awesome

Terra Atlantus
November 20th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Before anyone ask:
Flogging Molly - The Worst Day Since Yesterday

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:05 PM
you know Saquist if you don't have anything positive to say don't say but you are entitled to your opinion

Normally if I have nothing Nice to say about a person I won't say...
But this is a show...and it's....bad. I saw very little of value...
What exactly was good about this episode?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Before anyone ask:
Flogging Molly - The Worst Day Since Yesterday

can u give us the songs that were played and the band?

neoncrazy101
November 20th, 2009, 07:05 PM
episode was eh, but loved the ending with Young beating the crap out of Telford.

Replicator Todd
November 20th, 2009, 07:05 PM
I quite enjoyed this episode, amazing after the fantastic episode we had last week. I didn't care to much for the Camille scenes. Glad to see Young fighting Telford at least. Curious about the chair.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 07:06 PM
I thought this was a really great episode. Quite a bit happened, actually, which is surprising given the premise of the episode :)

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:06 PM
:Gags Saquist:

Thank you...I owe you one.:ford:


loved the fight scene with Young and Telford he did a number on telford.

That's true.
But as a whole this was poor at best.

Jeff-B
November 20th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Very good episode overall, a little more on Wray, Spencer is really about to snap, and Eli proved his lack of people skills. That song, though, did not fit.

Skydiver
November 20th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Saquist

if you wish to DISCUSS your feelings, please do so. If all you want to is make one sentence 'it sucks' comments, please take them elsewhere.

Have enough respect for those that do want to discuss to leave them be to do so.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 07:08 PM
I didn't care to much for the Camille scenes.

Awww :( I thought they were extremely well-done, both in writing and portrayal. I particularly loved how Wray identified herself to Sharon. It kinda got me :cool:


Curious about the chair.

As am I. I think it'd be epic if Chloe ended up sitting in it later in the season. Not that I think they have to do this to make her character interesting, but it would be a path I wouldn't really expect them to take :D

EllieVee
November 20th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Normally if I have nothing Nice to say about a person I won't say...
But this is a show...and it's....bad. I saw very little of value...
What exactly was good about this episode?

Well, why don't you actually say what's bad about it instead of things like 'gag me'? Posts like that are of no value.

Skydiver
November 20th, 2009, 07:10 PM
I love what Young did to Telford...however, why doesn't Young just go to Jack O'Neill and tell him what a bad officer Telford is being and get him pulled? And not just Telford, but whomever his cronies are as well. Because he called someone to have them pull the stone off the panel to break the link

One question though...if they are keeping the body swaps same gender...how do they know who goes into whose body?

how do they know which genders are coming when if they have no other means of communication?

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Saquist

if you wish to DISCUSS your feelings, please do so. If all you want to is make one sentence 'it sucks' comments, please take them elsewhere.

Have enough respect for those that do want to discuss to leave them be to do so.

Of course Empress.
"Gag me" was merely an opener. Suffice to say I was thoroughly bored. I'm having a hard...very hard time caring about many of the characters it's all I can do to lick a moment of sympathy for Young, Scott and others....so many of these episodes go nowhere....we are where we where essentially when the show began and sure we have air and water, we've survied a horror film but nothing has engaged my mind at all.

I can barely recognize the show as SCI FI.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Dr. Mehta may be in league with Telford.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:15 PM
since that device is a precursor to the ancient headsucker wouldn't the person who used it be able to subconsciously at least be able to do something to get it removed. i mean Jack Contacted the asgard.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 07:17 PM
since that device is a precursor to the ancient headsucker wouldn't the person who used it be able to subconsciously at least be able to do something to get it removed. i mean Jack Contacted the asgard.

What if thats not possible? What if their is no technology or people to remove it?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:18 PM
What if thats not possible? What if their is no technology or people to remove it?

well i guess we'll have to find out. i mean why would the writers write the chair in if they weren't in the future going to revist it.

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:18 PM
Well, why don't you actually say what's bad about it instead of things like 'gag me'? Posts like that are of no value.

Just as..."I adore or loved it" also has no value. One is negative the other is positive. I didn't know I was going to moderated on one comment of expression. Neither allows for discussion but only one is moderated....

If it really is a discussion isn't expression just as much apart that discussion?

Shootist
November 20th, 2009, 07:18 PM
Pretty good episode. Just an -eh- ending though.

I don't post much. As such I'm not a recognized member of the community. But I do like science fiction television.

That said.

SGU could not be more disappointing. And that's all I have to say about that.

Gallienus
November 20th, 2009, 07:18 PM
These early episodes of SGU are sort of reminding me of the first half of the fourth season of BSG, it seems like we're hitting a lot of plot points and character threads and we're not quite to the point where we get the payoff. I DO feel things are building up nicely, and on that point alone I'm interested to see where things go, in the latter half of season 1 and beyond.

Also kudos to Dr. Rush. Yeah he lied, he fabricated information, but he was not doing it for nefarious purposes. Giving people hope, a reason to live and as the Doctor put it to be "productive" is a far better alternative to helpless drudgery with no hope of rescue. In a sense Dr. Rush could be seen as an anti-villain so far in SGU, and Robert Carlyle is playing the part expertly. So far I'm satisfied, can't wait to see what Episodes 11-20 have in store.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:20 PM
we wont see 11 -20 until at least late march maybe early april.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 07:20 PM
well i guess we'll have to find out. i mean why would the writers write the chair in if they weren't in the future going to revist it.

Because its something the Ancients would do.:P

The better question is why did the Ancients put it there in the first place:P

EllieVee
November 20th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Just as..."I adore or loved it" also has no value. One is negative the other is positive. I didn't know I was going to moderated on one comment of expression. Neither allows for discussion but only one is moderated....

If it really is a discussion isn't expression just as much apart that discussion?

Oh, away with yah. I'm interested in knowing why someone likes or dislikes something but this sort of 12-year-old 'I didn't like it, so there' posts contributes nothing.

Can someone explain about the chair and the 'discussion' between Rush and Young?

Arative
November 20th, 2009, 07:21 PM
I enjoyed the episode. Development on Scott and Wray, very good development I thought. Enjoyed Young beating Telford down, it was the right thing to do.

I'm glad that the planet was a lie, it was just too convenient. I'm surprised that Rush hasn't gotten beaten down yet. They need to get into that chair though!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Because its something the Ancients would do.:P

The better question is why did the Ancients put it there in the first place:P

true probably to make sure nobody got their grubby little paws on it.

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:22 PM
These early episodes of SGU are sort of reminding me of the first half of the fourth season of BSG, it seems like we're hitting a lot of plot points and character threads and we're not quite to the point where we get the payoff. I DO feel things are building up nicely, and on that point alone I'm interested to see where things go, in the latter half of season 1 and beyond.

Also kudos to Dr. Rush. Yeah he lied, he fabricated information, but he was not doing it for nefarious purposes. Giving people hope, a reason to live and as the Doctor put it to be "productive" is a far better alternative to helpless drudgery with no hope of rescue. In a sense Dr. Rush could be seen as an anti-villain so far in SGU, and Robert Carlyle is playing the part expertly. So far I'm satisfied, can't wait to see what Episodes 11-20 have in store.


So far as we can tell...Rush has no nefarious motives but this is very questionable for his creditability which he's definitely going to need for this crew.

RJLCyberPunk
November 20th, 2009, 07:22 PM
:Gags Saquist:

LMAO!

Jokes aside I liked this episode. I loved Telford finally getting what had been sowing all along a good knuckle sandwich! :D I had no clue that the IOA chick was a <mod snip...the term is Lesbian, let's lose the locker room crudity and discuss it like adults please>, made me wish this show was on Showtime or HBO to see more skin! And once again Rush shows not only what a devious twerp he is but also that he is a freaking yellow belly coward that asks people to place their lives on the line when he is totally uniwlling to risk his own arse for anything. I wanted to shove him through the nearest airlock. I would not be surprised if somebody kills <snip>at some point and at this point he more than deserves to be killed.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 20th, 2009, 07:22 PM
i'm looking forward to Justice in two weeks. looks like it will be one hell of a mid-season finale.

ZoSo
November 20th, 2009, 07:25 PM
I thought the ep was alright, I guess. It had some good moments but like Saquist said it is barely recognizable as sci-fi. Oh look! They found an ancient chair! That was the only thing sci-fi in the whole episode and they didn't even use it.

It looks to me like Spencer is the one that's going to commit suicide. Hopefully, he'll do it the right way and use the chair so he can give the crew some useful information before he eats it.

Briangate78
November 20th, 2009, 07:25 PM
The ep was not bad, well some parts were bad, but some parts were pretty good like the Telford and Young conflict, also the Rush conflict as well. But I think the show is relying on those stones too much, and I think it is taking the quality away from the show. I feel they should focus more on the drama on the ship.

The Camille and Sharon scenes were just forced, and so was the Scott and his ex-GF. It was also very predictable that was his son, lol. I just think it was also forced. I think I understand what Michael Shanks meant about the drama and chracter moments being forced.

However, anytime Rush and Young get into a battle it comes so natural and I love it. We need more of that conflict drama, and less of the "I have a son and will make sure my paycheck pays for child support" At least next week it will be about someone getting murdered and someone is being framed. That is always interesting to me.

So far this was my least favorite ep of the series. First time I am giving the show below a 8/10, which gets a 7.5/10, the extra half a point is for Young punching out Telford in the end. Young is awesome.

Folks, we need some action!

bringbackjack
November 20th, 2009, 07:26 PM
This episode was like stargate 90210.........Way to much bs drama going on so far but still decent so far with lots of potential

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:27 PM
LMAO!

Jokes aside I liked this episode. I loved Telford finally getting what had been sowing all along a good knuckle sandwich! :D I had no clue that the IOA chick was a <Snipped by Moderater.See post 34> made me wish this show was on Showtime or HBO to see more skin! And once again Rush shows not only what a devious twerp he is but also that he is a freaking yellow belly coward that asks people to place their lives on the line when he is totally uniwlling to risk his own arse for anything. I wanted to shove him through the nearest airlock. I would not be surprised if somebody kills the SOB at some point and at this point he more than deserves to be killed.

ah you see...levity.
Already social broaden bonding us with slap stick remarks.
Yes take as it was.

Jeff O'Connor
November 20th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Eh... 6/10. I'll post more thoughts eventually.

This is my least favorite episode of the series so far, but there were some good moments in it. The whole Young/Telford conflict, though; I wonder if I'm the only person who dislikes it. Wasn't half as bad as the 'Scott, you have a son' thing, though, which I knew about weeks in advance and was dreading the entire time. Hardcore dreading.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Strange. I really enjoyed the Camille/Sharon scenes, and I definitely didn't mind Scott's scenes. It was interesting to see his reactions to finding all of that out so suddenly.

Conversely, I didn't really love the Young/Telford material. It wasn't that great, though I do (sort of) think him punching out Telford like that was warranted...as it's the case that Telford was apparently deliberately trying to sabotage his relationship with his wife, right?

Briangate78
November 20th, 2009, 07:33 PM
Strange. I really enjoyed the Camille/Sharon scenes, and I definitely didn't mind Scott's scenes. It was interesting to see his reactions to finding all of that out so suddenly.

Conversely, I didn't really love the Young/Telford material. It wasn't that great, though I do (sort of) think him punching out Telford like that was warranted...as it's the case that Telford was apparently deliberately trying to sabotage his relationship with his wife, right?

Different Strokes for Different folks. :p

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:33 PM
The ep was not bad, well some parts were bad, but some parts were pretty good like the Telford and Young conflict, also the Rush conflict as well. But I think the show is relying on those stones too much, and I think it is taking the quality away from the show. I feel they should focus more on the drama on the ship.

The Camille and Sharon scenes were just forced, and so was the Scott and his ex-GF. It was also very predictable that was his son, lol. I just think it was also forced. I think I understand what Michael Shanks meant about the drama and chracter moments being forced.

However, anytime Rush and Young get into a battle it comes so natural and I love it. We need more of that conflict drama, and less of the "I have a son and will make sure my paycheck pays for child support" At least next week it will be about some getting murdered and someone if being framed. That is always interesting to me.

So far this was my least favorite ep of the series. First time I am giving the show below a 8/10, which gets a 7.5/10, the extra half a point is for Young punching out Telford in the end. Young is awesome.

Folks, we need some action!

I hate to sound like an action junky but yes....I've never seen a show so starving for something more than just high school hi-jinx.

At this point it's getting annoying....
I recent looked up Babylon 5 and it was described as a character driven SCI FI show...which is what SGU was described and constantly defended as. B5 was never this slow.

Now I understand a character driven show but I've never been this board with a show since that Defying Gravity thing...

Jeff O'Connor
November 20th, 2009, 07:33 PM
Strange. I really enjoyed the Camille/Sharon scenes, and I definitely didn't mind Scott's scenes. It was interesting to see his reactions to finding all of that out so suddenly.

Conversely, I didn't really love the Young/Telford material. It wasn't that great, though I do (sort of) think him punching out Telford like that was warranted...as it's the case that Telford was apparently deliberately trying to sabotage his relationship with his wife, right?

I didn't mind the Camille/Sharon scenes, though I won't say I'm in love with them, either. The Scott scenes were just really not my drink. Anything involving 'YOU HAVE A SON' moments rubs me the wrong way and I don't even know why. I've probably just seen it a billion, billion times and don't want to see it anymore. It doesn't help that I don't really care for children, anyway.

I'm glad to see someone else agrees with me on the Young/Telford thing. Another issue I have with it, though, is that I don't feel... anything regarding Young's wife. No offense to her actress on a personal level, but the woman doesn't do a damn thing for me. And they gave her too much makeup, too. She just strikes me as so jarringly housewife-esque from what little we can see of her character's day-to-day life, that I'd rather Young was done with her and worked more on the ship.

AndSoItBegins
November 20th, 2009, 07:35 PM
Awww :( I thought they were extremely well-done, both in writing and portrayal. I particularly loved how Wray identified herself to Sharon. It kinda got me :cool:





I agree. Enjoyed that part more than Matt's storyline.

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:36 PM
This should have been a Telford Young episode.
I feel once again they are pulling one episode in too many directions.

Landers
November 20th, 2009, 07:37 PM
This whole body swapping for sex is really getting sick. And then we get our fearless leader, Young, swapping bodies by impersonating a scientist, just so he can beat up someone he dislikes. How stupid is that? His wife told him there was no affair, but of course he can sleep around with TJ, right?

Add that horrid twangy song at the end and. . .

Ugh, this was so bad it isn't worth discussing.

ZoSo
November 20th, 2009, 07:38 PM
But I think the show is relying on those stones too much, and I think it is taking the quality away from the show.

I agree. Its hard for the audience to feel like the team is stranded ala Atlantis season 1 when they can visit Earth whenever they want.

Jeff O'Connor
November 20th, 2009, 07:39 PM
I agree. Its hard for the audience to feel like the team is stranded ala Atlantis season 1 when they can visit Earth whenever they want.

Yeah, I was really looking forward to seeing a darker, deeper version of Atlantis S1. Unfortunately, it's (ironically) a lighter angle.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 07:39 PM
I didn't mind the Camille/Sharon scenes, though I won't say I'm in love with them, either. The Scott scenes were just really not my drink. Anything involving 'YOU HAVE A SON' moments rubs me the wrong way and I don't even know why. I've probably just seen it a billion, billion times and don't want to see it anymore. It doesn't help that I don't really care for children, anyway.

I'm glad to see someone else agrees with me on the Young/Telford thing. Another issue I have with it, though, is that I don't feel... anything regarding Young's wife. No offense to her actress on a personal level, but the woman doesn't do a damn thing for me. And they gave her too much makeup, too. She just strikes me as so jarringly housewife-esque from what little we can see of her character's day-to-day life, that I'd rather Young was done with her and worked more on the ship.

I see what you mean. In fact, it's not so much the fact that Lt. Scott had a son that intrigued me. It's more (as I said) the way he reacted to it. Despite what people think about Lt. Scott, my impression of him is that he is someone who is caring and really tries to do the "right" thing. I really liked how he felt guilty over the situation his ex was in, even though it wasn't really his fault given that he was never told.

Regarding Young's wife, I'm in a tough position. I do like the actress and I think she does a great job portraying her. On the other hand, I'm not sold on the idea that she is actually the right one for Young. His scenes with TJ resonate with me far more, and I'm really not sure why yet. Perhaps it's because TJ also comes across as such a caring person. I'm not sure, but I'm certainly interested to see where all of this goes.

And just to help elaborate on my feelings, I can at least admit that I think SGU could certainly use a healthy dose of action too...it's just that I'm not displeased with the show overall. I feel like TPTB have the right idea for how to run this kind of show, but perhaps they just won't pull it off perfectly in season 1. In any case, I'm enjoying the show enough that I'll be sticking with it to see where it goes :D

I'm not worried.

les fleurs
November 20th, 2009, 07:40 PM
"I read"--- best line of the episode.

Thought this episode was good.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 07:41 PM
I agree. Its hard for the audience to feel like the team is stranded ala Atlantis season 1 when they can visit Earth whenever they want.

I don't see so much as relying on the stones as more of a different avenue for storytelling

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 07:42 PM
This whole body swapping for sex is really getting sick.

There was no body-swap sex in this episode at all. :confused:


And then we get our fearless leader, Young, swapping bodies by impersonating a scientist, just so he can beat up someone he dislikes. How stupid is that? His wife told him there was no affair, but of course he can sleep around with TJ, right?

This was my initial reaction, but then I realized it was heavily implied that Telford was deliberately trying to sabotage Young's relationship with his wife simply for revenge.


Ugh, this was so bad it isn't worth discussing.

Well, that's a defeatist attitude :(

qksilver99
November 20th, 2009, 07:42 PM
before anyone ask:
flogging molly - the worst day since yesterday

thank you!!!!! :)

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:43 PM
10. This rocks
9. It's tight
8. pretty good
7. not bad
6. I've seen better
5. Average
4. I'm seasick
3. Eat my shorts
2. One word....
1. Kill me.

It was a 6/10

There was nothing special here.
+2 points for Character development
+2 points for The Rush Twist
+2 Point for the Telford Young slug.

-2 for predictable you're a father routine
-2 Unfocused and threaded character plots

Yoshi442
November 20th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Gag me....please.

Shall I tie you up first ;)


Amusing episode, although I could've done without the Young/Telford drama. Are these high-ranking military officials or high school boys in a *** measuring contest?

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:46 PM
10. This rocks
9. It's tight
8. pretty good
7. not bad
6. I've seen better
5. Average
4. I'm seasick
3. Eat my shorts
2. One word....
1. Kill me.

It was a 6/10

There was nothing special here.
+2 points for Character development
+2 points for The Rush Twist
+2 Point for the Telford Young slug.

-2 for predictable you're a father routine
-2 Unfocused and threaded character plots

Check that....5/10 average

I'm taking a point away from character development
and -1 point for the music/song at the begining and end of the episode.
That was annoying and hokey.

Jeff O'Connor
November 20th, 2009, 07:46 PM
I see what you mean. In fact, it's not so much the fact that Lt. Scott had a son that intrigued me. It's more (as I said) the way he reacted to it. Despite what people think about Lt. Scott, my impression of him is that he is someone who is caring and really tries to do the "right" thing. I really liked how he felt guilty over the situation his ex was in, even though it wasn't really his fault given that he was never told.

Hmm, good point. I liked that, too. While I wouldn't react quite the same as him, this is probably the first of the three Stargate series in which I get the feeling the writers aren't assuming I would react as a main character reacts and writing their characters accordingly. (See: All the times particularly in SG-1 in which 'our heroes' would do something 'good' and we'd be automatically expected to embrace it, and I'd often come away from the episode subtracting points for it.) I do like how SGU gives us this dynamic and more opportunity for us to question whether or not we agree with someone's actions instead of giving the answers to us on a silver platter.


Regarding Young's wife, I'm in a tough position. I do like the actress and I think she does a great job portraying her. On the other hand, I'm not sold on the idea that she is actually the right one for Young. His scenes with TJ resonate with me far more, and I'm really not sure why yet. Perhaps it's because TJ also comes across as such a caring person. I'm not sure, but I'm certainly interested to see where all of this goes.

I didn't really think TJ would catch on with me until a couple of episodes, but recently I've come to the option that she typically enhances the scenes with everyone else she's around. She's great. As for Young's wife, well, hell, I can't even remember the character's name offhand. I don't know, she just doesn't do it for me. So the Young/Telford conflict, for the most part, doesn't do it for me as an end result. If they were fighting over TJ instead, I'd get some kind of emotional reaction out of it. Not that that would work, but still.


And just to help elaborate on my feelings, I can at least admit that I think SGU could certainly use a healthy dose of action too...it's just that I'm not displeased with the show overall. I feel like TPTB have the right idea for how to run this kind of show, but perhaps they just won't pull it off perfectly in season 1. In any case, I'm enjoying the show enough that I'll be sticking with it to see where it goes :D

I'm not worried.

I'm largely in the same camp, although I am worried. I'd probably give the show a 7 right now. Five of those seven points are from absolutely stand-out amazing moments in the franchise, though, so that's important to point out. The remaining two are from things I've seen that I could see evolving and becoming better, like you said about the first season being rocky but latter years being potentially grand, given what the writers are (hopefully) learning along the way, here. The three points I'm subtracting have a lot to do with the (IMO) needless and relentless sex, the subplots I don't care for and certain scenes, like Chloe's angst at the nightclub in 'Earth'.

7/10 is far from a death knell for me, though. But I hope it cranks up to a 10 by the end of the year.

In any case, I'm off for the night, or at least until a couple of hours from now. It was fun bouncing back and forth a bit with you.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Well,

I have to say this episode was a rollercoaster of high and low points.

Some of the High Points:

Young and Telford going head to head.
Rush giving the crew false hope.
Spencer going increasingly ‘aggressive’ the longer he is on the ship.
More information about the seeder ships.
Some new interactions between the non-Main Cast of the show.
A ‘flaw’ in the communication stones.
A little more Scott back story.

Low Points:

Eli seemed to have very little real purpose in this episode.
Once again, Chloe seemed to have very little purpose.
One Word: Wray.
A little more Scott back story.

I did list Scott twice, because while some of the elements of his interactions with the mother of his child were good, others were not so much. We see that he is a man of honor, and does want to take care of his family. Unfortunately, they chose one of the most cliché directions to take his character which is the “Child he didn’t know about” angle. That unfortunately, is a little more Soap Opera then previous weeks. After so much great interaction with his character last week, taking his character down the ‘mystery child’ road really I felt hurt the storyline. All the people who say “It’s a Space Opera” are only going to feel more justified in this.

We did however get to see some ‘Scott’ depression moments, and him retreating to the ship for some quiet time like that is really his place. Unfortunately Eli’s scene with him, while realistic, I felt really didn’t help his character. It may have exposed a character weakness, but it was kind of like the producers grabbed a dead fish and whacked us over the head with it going “SEE! SEE! He has a weakness!” until we were blind in one eye.

Eli did have some good moments, like working on the “Stargate Powered by the Star” plan, as well as him showing he was trying to get in shape working out with Chloe.

However, Chloe really lost more points with me this week which is hard to do since she hasn’t built many. He going to Eli and telling him about Scott’s kid? That just seemed wrong. If he wanted everyone to know I have a feeling Scott would have said something himself. She actually seemed Jealous about a woman who was literally billions of light-years away. She seemed to have little positive scenes in this episode. While she is ‘slowly’ being fleshed out, the season is almost half over and she has so little positive influence on the crew as of this point.

Now … Rush and Young. That was some classic battle of the minds this episode. Rush showed a big flaw by not wanting to get in the chair himself but wanting someone else to sacrifice themselves. Young stood up and showed he was in charge, and really dropped the hammer on Rush this time around. While Rush did it for a good reason, what he did was actually very wrong and very misplaced. If he wanted to give false hope he should have gone through Young for that, but his own agenda certainly didn’t help his cause. I think it was a really good character conflict storyline.

I like how this episode they made it about the technology, as well as the characters. You got to see some character development, but you also got to see some technology development. They are repairing the ship, finding things, trying to grow some food, working on long term goals. I really felt like this episode in the end they actually ‘got’ somewhere and not just ran around in circles around the characters themselves. While the bulk focused on the characters, three quarters of the storyline was about the characters, and half was about the ship. How does that work you ask? Well, because a good chunk of the character development centered around the discoveries and long term plans on the ship. We even got to see a flaw in the stones involving residual memory.

Finally, Wray. I don’t know how else to say this, but I think I dislike her more then Chloe. As one of the high ranking members of the IOA she completely abused some young woman’s body by engaging in intimacy with her partner. I have nothing against same sex relationships, but the young woman she was inhabiting might. What if she is having a dream one night and it ends up being in her residual memory. How is that fair to her? I have a feeling this will come up again later. Now, I’m not mad about it on a personal level, but from a character perspective it is a major violation of her ‘host’ bodies privacy. While I got some insight into her character, none of it was positive especially how she spread what Rush did around the whole ship when it could have been contained. It really showed a major flaw in her character. I certainly don’t wish her off the show, but she will probably be a character I like to dislike kind of like how McKay started out for some, or Mayborn in SG1’s earlier years.

Overall, I enjoyed the episode from a storyline standpoint, though I think this episode really hurt the development of some of the characters. Still, it was an interesting episode to watch.

Post number 100! I figured I would submit an ‘official’ review for my first triple digit post. Thanks for reading, if you got through it all.

- Cecil Brax

ZoSo
November 20th, 2009, 07:49 PM
This whole body swapping for sex is really getting sick. And then we get our fearless leader, Young, swapping bodies by impersonating a scientist, just so he can beat up someone he dislikes. How stupid is that? His wife told him there was no affair, but of course he can sleep around with TJ, right?


That's what Telford said, but its a lie. At least that's the way I interpreted it. The scene a couple episodes back with TJ and Young kissing was just a dream.

But yeah, the writers are certainly not putting any limits on the body swapping thing. Its not getting my panties in a bunch, but I definitely don't blame anyone who reacts that way.

GateLadyM
November 20th, 2009, 07:50 PM
There was no body-swap sex in this episode at all. :confused:

I guess you missed the lesbian thing, right? Its bad enough we've had Young using other bodies for sex, but would you like to be the "volunteer" for Wray to visit her lesbo lover? Uh, that was a whole bunch of squick!

I know Young hates Telford, but using the stones and faking his identity just to go punch someone is beyond unprofessional. But I guess its okay to bang away on TJ and get upset over a perceived affair. *shakes head* I was just starting to like the guy but now he is at the bottom of the list with Lt. BORE Scott and the useless Chloe.

Definitely the worst episode so far. So bad I'm not sure I'm coming back for more.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 07:52 PM
[QUOTE=Coronach;10866154]There was no body-swap sex in this episode at all. :confused:[QUOTE]

They didn't show it specifically, but they gave the impression of it after she changed clothes and took a shower when her and her partner began kissing in their bedroom. I think that was the 'intimacy' or 'sex' they were aiming to portray in this episode without actually showing it directly. That's what I took away from it at least.

- CB

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 07:53 PM
However, Chloe really lost more points with me this week which is hard to do since she hasn’t built many. He going to Eli and telling him about Scott’s kid? That just seemed wrong. If he wanted everyone to know I have a feeling Scott would have said something himself. She actually seemed Jealous about a woman who was literally billions of light-years away. She seemed to have little positive scenes in this episode. While she is ‘slowly’ being fleshed out, the season is almost half over and she has so little positive influence on the crew as of this point.

- Cecil Brax

Do we really know Chloe said anything. Who is to say that Scott didn't tell someone else?

Briangate78
November 20th, 2009, 07:55 PM
I think this episode was more interesting than entertaining. It was interesting when they discovered the chair, which looked like a prototype of the Atlantis chair, lol. I miss SGA. :( Anyway, it was nice they were bringing up the SG-1 stories, including the ones where O'neill downloaded all of the ancient knowledge in his head. I wish the ep had more scenes focused around this discovery. I loved the drama between Young and Rush who debated about using the chair, and when Young said you can sit in the chair, Rush did not say a word, Young's response was priceless. I just felt the ep would of been better if they cut the Earth visits shorter and just focus on this new discovery.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 07:55 PM
They didn't show it specifically, but they gave the impression of it after she changed clothes and took a shower when her and her partner began kissing in their bedroom. I think that was the 'intimacy' or 'sex' they were aiming to portray in this episode without actually showing it directly. That's what I took away from it at least.

- CB

You know what happens to those who assume. Maybe she just wanted some non-military clothes:P I take Wray to be someone with more restriant when it comes to swex.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 07:56 PM
Finally, Wray. I don’t know how else to say this, but I think I dislike her more then Chloe. As one of the high ranking members of the IOA she completely abused some young woman’s body by engaging in intimacy with her partner. I have nothing against same sex relationships, but the young woman she was inhabiting might.

Hmm, this is actually a very good point. While all we really saw was them kissing, even that may not be something the woman host would have approved of. What's more, when the scenes are shot, we (the viewers) see Wray's body in the scenes. While I absolutely loved the portrayal of Wray and Sharon's relationship, I have to at least say that I agree about the host-body rights issue.

While TPTB may have expected us to infer that consent is given, I would really prefer if they would come out and mention this in an episode. It should be well-established that people volunteering to body-swap are consenting to these kinds of things.

On the plus side, maybe it'll be mentioned in a future episode? If you were astute during this episode, you'd have noticed that they brought up the issue of "clearance" for certain friends and family, as well as sticking to cover stories. I thought that was a nice moment of continuity for the viewer.


It really showed a major flaw in her character.

I would agree, except I have a very strong feeling that people willingly volunteering their body for people to see their significant others would consent to this (provided safe practices were a requirement).

Again, TPTB need to explicitly say this so this constant issue can be put to rest, because it sucks to see that great scenes like the ones with Camile and Sharon can be lessened by this proverbial elephant in the room.

AndSoItBegins
November 20th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Of course Empress.
"Gag me" was merely an opener. Suffice to say I was thoroughly bored. I'm having a hard...very hard time caring about many of the characters it's all I can do to lick a moment of sympathy for Young, Scott and others....so many of these episodes go nowhere....we are where we where essentially when the show began and sure we have air and water, we've survied a horror film but nothing has engaged my mind at all.

I can barely recognize the show as SCI FI.

Of course you don't. Your exposure to sci-fi is obviously limited to series with stand-alone eps, lots of space battles and laser fights, humanoid aliens who speak perfect English, retread storylines of visits to alien worlds not nearly so strange; several mouthful of technobabble and groups of space travelling buds who take turns at delivering witty quips and putdowns. But science fiction can be more than that. Science fiction (especially in the novel format) can truly use its fantastical elements to tell stories of the human condition. Some sci fi shows in the past have paid lip service to that; Stargate Universe however, flaws and all, actually tries to deliver on that front. It does indeed put the human element ahead of the action and the special effects. Its not perfect and its certainly won't be all fanboys' (and fangirls) cup of tea. But I find its handling of characters as good as almost anything we can find on TV these days. And I think by delivering so much on the character front leads to a better payoff down the line when the more action plots start coming our way. Just my two cents. So, it doesn't matter to me that the characters haven't figured out the ship in two or three eps. This more drawn out approach may be boring to some but its a realistic approach that I appreciate. I'll be blunt. Stargate never reinvented the wheel when it came to sci fi TV. SG1 was a highly enjoyable show but not exactly innovative. So I'm glad TPTB didn't go down that road for the third time with this third series. I'm happy that at least they're trying a diferent approach with this show compared to the previous two.

And if I may say so, Saquist, I find it interesting when reading about your complaints concerning these characters that you have an avatar of Ford from SGA. Was there ever a more underwrittem, disposable, insulting token character on sci fi TV than Ford? Well, other than Mayweather on Enterprise? There are very minor character on Universe who in two eps get more development than Ford did during his first season on SGA.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Do we really know Chloe said anything. Who is to say that Scott didn't tell someone else?

Actually, Eli said "Chloe told me" in the episode. Unless he is lying, which he has no reason to do. Unless its part of his evil plan to break them up. Which I guess is possible but that's really a stretch in my book.

There is a slight posibility that I missheard that, but maybe someone can confirm? I accidently deleted my recording.

- CB

Yoshi442
November 20th, 2009, 07:58 PM
Oh look! They found an ancient chair! That was the only thing sci-fi in the whole episode and they didn't even use it.

You're right! No Scifi!!1!!1!11!

Swapping bodies with people many galaxies away? Clearly not sci fi.

Accessing the seeder ship database? Not sci fi!

Several people on the edge of snapping because they are trapped light years from home? Not sci fi! If this were sci fi, they'd all be friends and mentally stable by episode 2 like in Star Trek: Voyager.

Bring on the 'splosions please!! And the laser gun battles!!

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 07:58 PM
I have to agree...
This show is aspiring to new heights of immorality.
These core men and women are becoming...body donors for sexual activity....un supervised....it's unconscionable that they are using these people body and possibly exposing them sexually transmitted diseases, or dealing pregnancies to people who didn't want them but have are genneticly responsible to them.

This just stinks of script writer what if-ing absurdity....
It's one thing to be Scientifly questionable....SGU has actually found a way to social logically questionable.

Jeff O'Connor
November 20th, 2009, 07:58 PM
I think this episode was more interesting than entertaining. It was interesting when they discovered the chair, which looked like a prototype of the Atlantis chair, lol. I miss SGA. :( Anyway, it was nice they were bringing up the SG-1 stories, including the ones where O'neill downloaded all of the ancient knowledge in his head. I wish the ep had more scenes focused around this discovery. I loved the drama between Young and Rush who debated about using the chair, and when Young said you can use the chair, Rush did not say a word. I just felt the ep would of been better if they cut the Earth visits shorter and just focus on this new discovery.

If they'd done as you're suggesting, they would have had a solid 9/10 episode for me. I'm really beginning to grow more than a wee bit weary of all the stone-related subplots. I'm starting to ache for SGA.

It's a shame, because the majority of the good stuff on this show is very, very promising. I can only hope the stones explode in the season finale. Maybe that's the jaw-dropping cliffhanger Mallozzi was going on about, except instead of us all going 'OMG NO', we'll be rejoicing like there's no tomorrow.

GateLadyM
November 20th, 2009, 07:58 PM
Do we really know Chloe said anything. Who is to say that Scott didn't tell someone else?

Eli said Chloe told him about Scott's son, which irritated me. My thought was, "what a big mouth!" I'm sure Scott didn't want that kind of personal information blabbed all over the ship.

Seriously, Chloe needs to be vaporized. Quickly.

the fifth man
November 20th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Pretty good one tonight. Not great, but good. Of course my favorite scene was Young beating the s*** out of Telford.:D He so had it coming to him.

lordofseas
November 20th, 2009, 07:59 PM
I know Young hates Telford, but using the stones and faking his identity just to go punch someone is beyond unprofessional.

So, sitting back and letting people spread lies about you to your wife is very professional? From what we've seen, Young has not cheated on his wife on the Destiny.



But I guess its okay to bang away on TJ and get upset over a perceived affair. *shakes head* I was just starting to like the guy but now he is at the bottom of the list with Lt. BORE Scott and the useless Chloe.

Definitely the worst episode so far. So bad I'm not sure I'm coming back for more.

"Bang Away"???? I use your words, and yet...there is no truth....hmm...

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 08:01 PM
I guess you missed the lesbian thing, right?

No, I didn't miss it. Can you say for sure that they had sex? What if Camile felt uncomfortable doing that in someone else's body (even if permission was given...which is still unclear and something TPTB need to address)? I'd say it's a toss-up atm, whereas the Young scenes in "Earth" were quite clear.


Its bad enough we've had Young using other bodies for sex, but would you like to be the "volunteer" for Wray to visit her lesbo lover?

I couldn't volunteer for that as I'm not a woman.


So bad I'm not sure I'm coming back for more.

Don't kid yourself ;)

ZoSo
November 20th, 2009, 08:03 PM
I think this episode was more interesting than entertaining. It was interesting when they discovered the chair, which looked like a prototype of the Atlantis chair, lol. I miss SGA. :( Anyway, it was nice they were bringing up the SG-1 stories, including the ones where O'neill downloaded all of the ancient knowledge in his head. I wish the ep had more scenes focused around this discovery. I loved the drama between Young and Rush who debated about using the chair, and when Young said you can sit in the chair, Rush did not say a word, Young's response was priceless. I just felt the ep would of been better if they cut the Earth visits shorter and just focus on this new discovery.

Exactly how I feel.

More pew pew less QQ. Or...something like that.

:danielanime08: :tealcanime23:

:indeed:

Yoshi442
November 20th, 2009, 08:03 PM
I guess you missed the lesbian thing, right? Its bad enough we've had Young using other bodies for sex, but would you like to be the "volunteer" for Wray to visit her lesbo lover? Uh, that was a whole bunch of squick!



Definitely the worst episode so far. So bad I'm not sure I'm coming back for more.

Two people already have had a bigger problem with body swap gay sex than body swap straight sex. Sad. :(

Briangate78
November 20th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Pretty good one tonight. Not great, but good. Of course my favorite scene was Young beating the s*** out of Telford.:D He so had it coming to him.

That was just AWESOME!! :p

rexpop
November 20th, 2009, 08:04 PM
Another good episode, different to SG1/SGA and in a good way too. I was worried that after last weeks time travel episode that SGU would start heading down the path of turning into SG-1 but they seem to be avoid that by taking the show in a unique direction.

Also the way they are slowly introducing the parts of the backstory they need to seems to be done well. First with the solar flares now with the Ancient database. Old time viewers are rewarded with continuity but new viewers aren't left out in the cold.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 08:04 PM
Hmm, this is actually a very good point. While all we really saw was them kissing, even that may not be something the woman host would have approved of. What's more, when the scenes are shot, we (the viewers) see Wray's body in the scenes. While I absolutely loved the portrayal of Wray and Sharon's relationship, I have to at least say that I agree about the host-body rights issue.

While TPTB may have expected us to infer that consent is given, I would really prefer if they would come out and mention this in an episode. It should be well-established that people volunteering to body-swap are consenting to these kinds of things.

On the plus side, maybe it'll be mentioned in a future episode? If you were astute during this episode, you'd have noticed that they brought up the issue of "clearance" for certain friends and family, as well as sticking to cover stories. I thought that was a nice moment of continuity for the viewer.



I would agree, except I have a very strong feeling that people willingly volunteering their body for people to see their significant others would consent to this (provided safe practices were a requirement).

Again, TPTB need to explicitly say this so this constant issue can be put to rest, because it sucks to see that great scenes like the ones with Camile and Sharon can be lessened by this proverbial elephant in the room.

I agree with this completely, and think we should get a little more information on the rules for Body Swaping. I mean, the military has to know what's going on when they spend the whole night in the house alone with these people. I think Young spent a few days there with his wife. I would certainly like to get a much more clear understanding of how the rules work for them.


You know what happens to those who assume. Maybe she just wanted some non-military clothes:P I take Wray to be someone with more restriant when it comes to swex.

Actually, I was giving you a scene reference as to what led up to her and her partner kissing in the room incase you wanted to go back and check the part. I don't think changing clothes and taking a shower had anything to do with intimacy, but even if there was no sex this is still a major violation. While I have no problem with same sex relationships, I would not want someone to engage in any intimate moments with another man while in control of my body. I think its very wrong that Wray chose to do this. Maybe its because I am married, but I think I would still have a problem with this even if I was single.

- CB

GateLadyM
November 20th, 2009, 08:06 PM
So, sitting back and letting people spread lies about you to your wife is very professional? From what we've seen, Young has not cheated on his wife on the Destiny.

Telford told lies? Its pretty obvious (and insinuated since the first episode) that Young and TJ had some sort of "thing". At least that's how I've taken it.

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Two people already have had a bigger problem with body swap gay sex than body swap straight sex. Sad. :(

IS EITHER RIGHT?!

I don't think so.
And personally I can certainly respect a religious view even if it's not popular or PC and there is nothing sad about it, that is what is called a right....all we must be careful of....is being respectful for differing views no matter what side you're on.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Two people already have had a bigger problem with body swap gay sex than body swap straight sex. Sad. :(

I made a comment about this in a previous post about how I thought it was wrong that people were using other people's bodies for sex, drinking, etc etc. I think its wrong either way. More so now that we know the stones can leave a residual memory. However, while a great many people are excepting of same sex relationships, many of them would never even consider being in one themselves. Especially those who have religious beliefs that say such a thing is wrong to do. There seems to be a complete lack of concern for the host bodies and what is being done with them right now.

I would think it is just as wrong for a straight woman to use a lesbian woman's body for opposite sex intimacy as well because still, it shows little regard for the host bodies' beliefs and preferences.

- CB

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Telford told lies? Its pretty obvious (and insinuated since the first episode) that Young and TJ had some sort of "thing". At least that's how I've taken it.

Yes, but those were the parts that Emily already knew about. Since then, they had come to a reconciliation in which Young admitted he made a mistake, and promised it was over.

From the audience's standpoint, there is not evidence that he has had a relationship with TJ beyond the one his wife already knew about. Thus, it's relatively safe to infer that Telford was lying to Young's wife to get revenge, as it's obvious the man hates Young.

Meryl
November 20th, 2009, 08:12 PM
I hope i won't see gay phobia on gateworld, the sex between off ship and on ship people is wrong GAY OR NOT.

Anyway, i didn't like this episode and i'm sold to SGU. But i think the next ep will be real better. I didn't quite understood why Rush lied about the datas... someone can explain?

Oh and young is hot but it's off topic.

ZoSo
November 20th, 2009, 08:12 PM
You're right! No Scifi!!1!!1!11!

Swapping bodies with people many galaxies away? Clearly not sci fi.

Accessing the seeder ship database? Not sci fi!

Several people on the edge of snapping because they are trapped light years from home? Not sci fi! If this were sci fi, they'd all be friends and mentally stable by episode 2 like in Star Trek: Voyager.

Bring on the 'splosions please!! And the laser gun battles!!

Sure, explosions are nice. But that's not even my favorite part of previous Stargate series. I'm talking about sci-fi storylines, not this Earth drama bs. We haven't even learned anything about the ship yet and when we finally find a means to do it, its practically stuffed under a rug to make room for the soap opera.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Actually, Eli said "Chloe told me" in the episode. Unless he is lying, which he has no reason to do. Unless its part of his evil plan to break them up. Which I guess is possible but that's really a stretch in my book.

There is a slight posibility that I missheard that, but maybe someone can confirm? I accidently deleted my recording.

- CB
I don't remember that but I'll take your word for it.


I have to agree...
This show is aspiring to new heights of immorality.
These core men and women are becoming...body donors for sexual activity....un supervised....it's unconscionable that they are using these people body and possibly exposing them sexually transmitted diseases, or dealing pregnancies to people who didn't want them but have are genneticly responsible to them.

This just stinks of script writer what if-ing absurdity....
It's one thing to be Scientifly questionable....SGU has actually found a way to social logically questionable.

Because as you know people are never immoral or never illoglogical:rolleyes:

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Actually, I was giving you a scene reference as to what led up to her and her partner kissing in the room incase you wanted to go back and check the part. I don't think changing clothes and taking a shower had anything to do with intimacy, but even if there was no sex this is still a major violation. While I have no problem with same sex relationships, I would not want someone to engage in any intimate moments with another man while in control of my body. I think its very wrong that Wray chose to do this. Maybe its because I am married, but I think I would still have a problem with this even if I was single.

- CB
I'm confused. What are we debating now?

Yoshi442
November 20th, 2009, 08:15 PM
IS EITHER RIGHT?! [in regards to gay vs. straight body swap sex]

I don't think so.
And personally I can certainly respect a religious view even if it's not popular or PC and there is nothing sad about it, that is what is called a right....all we must be careful of....is being respectful for differing views no matter what side you're on.

If you think the idea of any body swap sex at all is wrong, that's fine. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with you. It is a violation, almost rape. We've also seen at least two people drink alcohol while in another's body, which also raises issues.

But I do take issue with someone saying something like "it's bad enough that Young had sex in Telford's body but it's even a worse violation for Wray to use a body for gay sex". Either both are equally wrong, or both are equally fine.

And, not all views are worthy of respect. I wouldn't respect someone who felt that using someone's body to have inter-racial swap-sex is worse than same-race swap-sex because the person swapping may not want to have sex with someone of a different race. I feel pretty much the same way about the gay/straight thing. Both wrong or both OK.

EvenstarSRV
November 20th, 2009, 08:15 PM
I agree. Its hard for the audience to feel like the team is stranded ala Atlantis season 1 when they can visit Earth whenever they want.

That's my main issue with the stones. They make it hard for me to feel that these people are truly stranded on the other end of the universe when they can pop home almost anytime they want, whether to see their loved ones or exact revenge.

That said, I did enjoy the Wray/Sharon scenes, in part because I've been waiting to see more of Ming-na, and I think they were very nicely done. More subtlety compared to the Scott and Young storylines, I didn't feel like I was being hit over the head with the angst of the situation.

And I really enjoyed TJ's psych evals, which provided both serious and humorous moments. And discovering the chair and the ensuing discussion with Rush, Young, and the other scientists were also good. And Greer volunteering to sit in it to get everyone else home was a nice touch.

MylittleEli
November 20th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Of course Empress.
"Gag me" was merely an opener. Suffice to say I was thoroughly bored. I'm having a hard...very hard time caring about many of the characters it's all I can do to lick a moment of sympathy for Young, Scott and others....so many of these episodes go nowhere....we are where we where essentially when the show began and sure we have air and water, we've survied a horror film but nothing has engaged my mind at all.

I can barely recognize the show as SCI FI.

you have hit the nail on the head. for the last few weeks i've been having a hard time watching because i'm such a huge sg fan, I WANT to watch and love this show, but i just can't seem to. It has some fun aspects, some feeble suspence and what not, but it just lacks the sg excitment i was hoping for. really disappointed so far. :mckay:

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 08:16 PM
I don't remember that but I'll take your word for it.



Because as you know people are never immoral or never illoglogical:rolleyes:


Socially illogical, sir.
That actually doesn't happen very often with organization like...the military who have an image to maintain and are opening themselves up to law suits...

These organization normally Cover they're...butts...on this kind of thing...not expose themselves to litigation.

DigiFluid
November 20th, 2009, 08:17 PM
My gut reaction is that this episode is a bit disappointing compared with last week. That's not to say I think it was a bad episode per se, it just struck me as a little filler-ish.

Ultimately, we got what plot points out of this? Spencer is off his meds, and is probably going to kill someone. Young knocked the snot out of Telford (I smiled from ear to ear when this happened :D). Rush has discovered a precursor to the repositories, which I suspect he'll nudge Greer into using at some point. These are not small plot points by any means, it's just that they seemed kind of marginalized against the rest of the episode....which itself felt a bit like a sort of "day in the life" story.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 08:18 PM
I'm confused. What are we debating now?

You originally said that Wray and her partner might not have had sex. Which I think they did, but even so I went on to say even if they didn't have sex together, I think it was a major violation to use someone else's body for a same sex relationship.

Unless in this case, the person was completely informed what their body may be getting used for and signed off on it, which so far I am not getting that impression. It may be happening, and people may be volunteering and know full well what they are getting into, but until the producers or the writers say something to clear this up or write a scene to clear this up, there's no way to know for sure.

- CB

erotavlas
November 20th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Overall it wasn't the best episode imo. I definitely like the previous episodes a lot better. I found them to be focusing too much on the personal issues and body swapping back on earth this episode. There was no balance. And everything else felt like an afterthought....like the chair, the planting of the fake planet in the database, what Eli was working on, the hydroponics project etc.

I think we've learned a great deal about the characters to this point however it feels like they are introducing this info. at too fast a rate.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 08:19 PM
We haven't even learned anything about the ship yet and when we finally find a means to do it, its practically stuffed under a rug to make room for the soap opera.

Really? As a short list of things that I personally know about the Destiny:

1) It can refuel itself by harnessing solar power from stars.
2) It is millions of years old, and was launched by the Ancients to gather data on planets seeded with gates.
3) It has some pretty badass weaponry, which we got to see firing briefly in "Earth"
4) There is very strong evidence that the ship is bordering on artificial intelligence, given that it has been shown to be very adept at preserving itself over the years autonomously.
5) It has a high-speed travel different from any sort of "hyperdrive" we've seen before.
6) Most recently, the chair has been discovered, the potential of which is yet unclear, though we know it's there.

I dunno...I personally feel like I've learned quite a bit about the Destiny in the episodes we've had so far, and this is in no means an exhaustive list.

Saquist
November 20th, 2009, 08:19 PM
If you think the idea of any body swap sex at all is wrong, that's fine. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with you. It is a violation, almost rape. We've also seen at least two people drink alcohol while in another's body, which also raises issues.

But I do take issue with someone saying something like "it's bad enough that Young had sex in Telford's body but it's even a worse violation for Wray to use a body for gay sex". Either both are equally wrong, or both are equally fine.

And, not all views are worthy of respect. I wouldn't respect someone who felt that using someone's body to have inter-racial swap-sex is worse than same-race swap-sex because the person swapping may not want to have sex with someone of a different race. I feel pretty much the same way about the gay/straight thing. Both wrong or both OK.


(Experiencing an Error of Comprehension error.)

I didn't get the last part....

RJLCyberPunk
November 20th, 2009, 08:20 PM
Hmm, this is actually a very good point. While all we really saw was them kissing, even that may not be something the woman host would have approved of. What's more, when the scenes are shot, we (the viewers) see Wray's body in the scenes. While I absolutely loved the portrayal of Wray and Sharon's relationship, I have to at least say that I agree about the host-body rights issue.

While TPTB may have expected us to infer that consent is given, I would really prefer if they would come out and mention this in an episode. It should be well-established that people volunteering to body-swap are consenting to these kinds of things.

On the plus side, maybe it'll be mentioned in a future episode? If you were astute during this episode, you'd have noticed that they brought up the issue of "clearance" for certain friends and family, as well as sticking to cover stories. I thought that was a nice moment of continuity for the viewer.



I would agree, except I have a very strong feeling that people willingly volunteering their body for people to see their significant others would consent to this (provided safe practices were a requirement).

Again, TPTB need to explicitly say this so this constant issue can be put to rest, because it sucks to see that great scenes like the ones with Camile and Sharon can be lessened by this proverbial elephant in the room.

OK let's analyze this. You are swapping your body with someone else billions of light years away eager to reconnect with their loved ones, eat something that is not a freaking MRI as they do onboard the ship and yes have intimacy with their wives or husbands or lovers as the case might be. I'd say that is pretty clear you have agreed to have your body used by whoever in the manner he/she sees fit while is in control. Otherwise there would be no point to it at all.

Yoshi442
November 20th, 2009, 08:21 PM
That's my main issue with the stones. They make it hard for me to feel that these people are truly stranded on the other end of the universe when they can pop home almost anytime they want, whether to see their loved ones or exact revenge.



I see what you mean, but to me, it makes them in a sense even more stranded. Being trapped on the ship is bad enough, but most of them will be able to come to terms with that on some level given enough time. But being able to go back and continue relationships in some twisted half manner, without really being there? That's like ripping the scab off the wound on a regular basis. Hence, Wray in the shower crying after seeing her GF.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 08:21 PM
which itself felt a bit like a sort of "day in the life" story.

Given the title of the episode, as well as some comments I vaguely remember from TPTB, I think this is exactly the point they were trying to get across. :P

les fleurs
November 20th, 2009, 08:22 PM
Yes, but those were the parts that Emily already knew about. Since then, they had come to a reconciliation in which Young admitted he made a mistake, and promised it was over.

From the audience's standpoint, there is not evidence that he has had a relationship with TJ beyond the one his wife already knew about. Thus, it's relatively safe to infer that Telford was lying to Young's wife to get revenge, as it's obvious the man hates Young.

If we give Telford the benefit of the doubt, maybe he had residual memories from Young, like Scott had of him, and saw Young's daydreams about him and TJ and assumed they were real memories.

DigiFluid
November 20th, 2009, 08:23 PM
Given the title of the episode, as well as some comments I vaguely remember from TPTB, I think this is exactly the point they were trying to get across. :P
Perhaps, but that doesn't make it stellar material for an episode :p

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 08:24 PM
OK let's analyze this. You are swapping your body with someone else billions of light years away eager to reconnect with their loved ones, eat something that is not a freaking MRI as they do onboard the ship and yes have intimacy with their wives or husbands or lovers as the case might be. I'd say that is pretty clear you have agreed to have your body used by whoever in the manner he/she sees fit while is in control. Otherwise there would be no point to it at all.

Oh, no doubt. I agree that it's heavily implied and that perhaps TPTB felt it didn't need to be addressed explicitly. Still, given the comments I've seen...I feel like TPTB would be better off just throwing a line in about what is and isn't allowed.

Just imo, of course. :cool:

FatalDreams
November 20th, 2009, 08:25 PM
So... no ones cares to know how come all ship crew suddenly had identical shirts and pants and went on a run like that? Good thing they had time to pack that in their... oh wait, no they didn't come with briefcases full of clothing! what the...

Yeah. I didn't like that silly storyline hole. Could have been easily avoided. com'on.

meh. :)

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 08:26 PM
OK let's analyze this. You are swapping your body with someone else billions of light years away eager to reconnect with their loved ones, eat something that is not a freaking MRI as they do onboard the ship and yes have intimacy with their wives or husbands or lovers as the case might be. I'd say that is pretty clear you have agreed to have your body used by whoever in the manner he/she sees fit while is in control. Otherwise there would be no point to it at all.

Honestly,

I am not sure that I agree. Since Universe is taking place very shortly after Atlantis Ended, we have to assume they haven't really been using these stones for long. We do know for a fact that there isn't more then 2 years since the technology has been put into common practice, on the high end. Given the fact they are probably relatively new technology, they might not have had time to write up a rule book for the use of the stones.

For all we know, there are rules in place and they are just being violated over and over by the people using these bodies. Obviously, not everyone is doing so but certainly some of the people are.

I don't think there is a clear answer to this question yet. Some people will assume one thing, others will assume another. That's part of the intrigue of the show for me, is that without clear cut answers, we're able to see the shows in different ways and as such, experience them in our own way for better or worse.

- CB

MattSilver 3k
November 20th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Definitely the worst episode so far. So bad I'm not sure I'm coming back for more.

So... see you next week?

Anyway, let's get down to my thoughts on Life.

This poor episode. It had the uncomfortable position of being in between Time, the best episode yet, and Justice, the mid-season awesome that'll probably be coming. To the episode's credit, it took it in stride and I enjoyed it all in all. I guess I'm a sucker for real humans doing day-to-day stuff in odd settings and trying to adapt to new situations. Add a very interesting plot about Rush Vs Young, and we have a good episode overall.

First off, It's Been The Worst Day Since Yesterday was such a good pick. The rock-y riff as Young has been revealed to beat the snot of Telford was awe-some. The opening and closing montages had nice symmetry - I liked it. The rest of the music was all well and good - I'm starting to like the tune that played when Greer and the others were exploring the ship. CGI was nothing interesting because there was really nothing new, except the pull-out from the shuttle at the end.

My complaint for the episode I'll get out of the way first: While I'm cool with the ending being symmetrical to the beginning (Camille's drawing the boat, Chloe's doing yoga or something with Eli, Park's relieving tension with Greer - better him than anybody else.) But the ending lacked something. I wanted a nice hook for the next episode, like Spencer offing himself or paying a visit to that chair or somesuch. But I get that he's angry and stuff, and there's plenty of time for something big to happen with the angry, bald marine.

Character time! Camille's stuff with Sharon was sweet, to say the least. I didn't get a forced vibe like some others had, and I'm glad it wasn't over the top or gratuitous. Just sweet. Scott's stuff with Mehta and Annie Balic was somewhat interesting, but it definitely wasn't my favourite part of the episode. But I like that Scott got a new catalyst for a potential change, and his conversation with Eli (Wait what - Chloe's spreading that around? For real?) was a nice refresher from the tension the two have had for the past few episodes...

Young is still the man, God bless 'im. TJ was funny, compassionate and very awesome to watch again with her psych evaluations. I'm really starting to hate Franklin now... Hope he gets shot again! The rest of the cast were equally stellar - David Blue and Elyse Levesque didn't have that much to do here, but they were still great. As always, Rush is a pleasure to simultaneously root for and hate on! Too bad he was lying about the second Icarus planet - it would've made a good two-parter in the second season for them to find the planet and somehow lose it, creating a back-half full of despair over losing it.

But I digress. The episode was good and I'm loving SGU. If Time was spectacular, Life was good but it could've done some more with a hook of some kind for Justice. Still, looking forward to the next episode...

Oh, and Greer wins this week as my favourite line: "I think we found the dentist's office." I hope Riley shows up next week - I miss that deadpan guy!

ZoSo
November 20th, 2009, 08:28 PM
Really? As a short list of things that I personally know about the Destiny:

1) It can refuel itself by harnessing solar power from stars.
2) It is millions of years old, and was launched by the Ancients to gather data on planets seeded with gates.
3) It has some pretty badass weaponry, which we got to see firing briefly in "Earth"
4) There is very strong evidence that the ship is bordering on artificial intelligence, given that it has been shown to be very adept at preserving itself over the years autonomously.
5) It has a high-speed travel different from any sort of "hyperdrive" we've seen before.
6) Most recently, the chair has been discovered, the potential of which is yet unclear, though we know it's there.

I dunno...I personally feel like I've learned quite a bit about the Destiny in the episodes we've had so far, and this is in no means an exhaustive list.

I should have worded that differently. I was mainly talking about getting the code to get full access to the ship. If this was more like sg-1 then that would be their first priority and the whole episode would've been focused on that chair. And yes, I know this isn't sg-1 and I know its supposed to be different. That doesnt mean I can't express my disinterest.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 08:28 PM
So... no ones cares to know how come all ship crew suddenly had identical shirts and pants and went on a run like that? Good thing they had time to pack that in their... oh wait, no they didn't come with briefcases full of clothing! what the...

Yeah. I didn't like that silly storyline hole. Could have been easily avoided. com'on.

meh. :)

Actually,

We do know that they came through with a bunch of random containers of random stuff. Remember when they were first going through the containers they were finding some that were filled with blank paper, etc etc. One of them could have been filled with generic workout clothes to be stocked in the locker rooms.

Hospitals have rooms filled with identical pairs of scrubs in all sizes. Maybe one of the crates was a recently arrived shipment from earth of new clothes for the locker rooms.

- CB

Pharaoh Atem
November 20th, 2009, 08:29 PM
scott being a father FTW

Yoshi442
November 20th, 2009, 08:29 PM
(Experiencing an Error of Comprehension error.)

I didn't get the last part....

I'll try again. It's late and I should probably be in bed :)

Basically, I disagree that we always need to respect other's beliefs. Generally, yes--but some views are not worthy of respect, such as a racist belief. Picture two scenarios: A. someone swaps bodies and has sex with someone of the same race as the host. B. someone swaps bodies and has sex with someone of a different race from the host. I would have a problem with a viewer saying that scenario B is worse than scenario A because what if the host disagrees with race-mixing. Either A and B are both wrong, or A and B are both right. I would not respect that person's opinion.

Similarly I would not respect someone's opinion if they think that borrowing a body for gay sex is worse than borrowing it for straight sex. Again, equally wrong or OK.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 08:29 PM
I should have worded that differently. I was mainly talking about getting the code to get full access to the ship. If this was more like sg-1 then that would be their first priority and the whole episode would've been focused on that chair. And yes, I know this isn't sg-1 and I know its supposed to be different. That doesnt mean I can't express my disinterest.

By all means, and thanks for the clarification. :)

Yoshi442
November 20th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Perhaps, but that doesn't make it stellar material for an episode :p

I don't mind it as long as it's occasional. I remember a ST:TNG episode that was basically a day in the life of Data, and it was pretty cool.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 08:32 PM
You originally said that Wray and her partner might not have had sex. Which I think they did, but even so I went on to say even if they didn't have sex together, I think it was a major violation to use someone else's body for a same sex relationship.

Unless in this case, the person was completely informed what their body may be getting used for and signed off on it, which so far I am not getting that impression. It may be happening, and people may be volunteering and know full well what they are getting into, but until the producers or the writers say something to clear this up or write a scene to clear this up, there's no way to know for sure.

- CB
I don't really see how its any different from a man going home to see his wife or vice versa. Surely the people who use the stones realize people are going to want to see their loved ones. I don't see a kiss a major violation of body rights

Yoshi442
November 20th, 2009, 08:33 PM
I should have worded that differently. I was mainly talking about getting the code to get full access to the ship. If this was more like sg-1 then that would be their first priority and the whole episode would've been focused on that chair. And yes, I know this isn't sg-1 and I know its supposed to be different. That doesnt mean I can't express my disinterest.

To me, posting on a message board about a show doesn't express disinterest so much as interest. ;)

EvenstarSRV
November 20th, 2009, 08:34 PM
I see what you mean, but to me, it makes them in a sense even more stranded. Being trapped on the ship is bad enough, but most of them will be able to come to terms with that on some level given enough time. But being able to go back and continue relationships in some twisted half manner, without really being there? That's like ripping the scab off the wound on a regular basis. Hence, Wray in the shower crying after seeing her GF.

I can see that, but I guess I'd prefer those visits to earth being less frequent. I mean, Young has already gotten to go back so much, he's not even letting the scab reform. Just lessens the tension for me.

And I agree with what I think Coronach said up thread about clarifying the rules for the stones. I don't think it can just be assumed that Telford and others have given consent to let their bodies be used in any way, and this ep was a good chance for them to clarify that. The escorts and cover stories were a start, though.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 08:39 PM
I don't really see how its any different from a man going home to see his wife or vice versa. Surely the people who use the stones realize people are going to want to see their loved ones. I don't see a kiss a major violation of body rights

You're Right,

In that I think either way its a violation. I didn't think it was right Young using Telford's body for the same thing either. I can see how its furthering the plotlines and creating new character conflicts, such as this episode with Telford and Young, but that doesn't mean I think its right either way.

If you believe that it was 'merely a kiss' they shared in that scene, that's cool and of course you're entitled to your own opinions. I however didn't get that impression. Right now it looks like a lot of people are split how they feel about this, or how they interpreted some of those scenes. Which is great, cause I think its the purpose of the show is to make people question and discuss.

Despite that I don't think the body swapping and intimacy is right, it doesn't hurt my desire to watch the show. In fact, I want to find out what is going to eventually happen as a result of people using the bodies of others inappropriately.

- CB

Deevil
November 20th, 2009, 08:41 PM
.
I recent looked up Babylon 5 and it was described as a character driven SCI FI show...which is what SGU was described and constantly defended as. B5 was never this slow.

Did you watch the first season of Babylon 5, because it was very slow... the entire season was set-up with very little to no pay-offs.

Cecil Brax
November 20th, 2009, 08:45 PM
Did you watch the first season of Babylon 5, because it was very slow... the entire season was set-up with very little to no pay-offs.

Actually,

I have to completely agree here. The First Seasion was very slow. I often start rewatching my DVDs at the second season when Sheridan comes onboard. Babylon 5, while cheesy in some parts, was actually a very well put together show for the time frame it was done in.

Which is odd cause I'm watching it as I read these forums. hehe

- CB

Mitchell82
November 20th, 2009, 08:46 PM
I wasn't sure if I'd like this one but I loved it. Great to see more exploration of the ship loved finally seeing Rush's true colors and still such a mystery. The chair is very interesting can't wait to see if Rush has the "balls" to sit in it. Young made the right decision there. Loved the Camiele and Sharon scenes, and no it's not just because it was a lesbian scene. It was very well written and tastefully done. Telford really makes me mad he was egging Young on in that scene loved how Young finally gave him what was coming to him. This ep really had it all. Exploration of the ship, loads of character development and plenty of drama. Great ep IMO.I also have a thought about Justice. What ifit is Young that commited the murder but not Young. By that I mean what if it's Telford.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 08:46 PM
You're Right,

In that I think either way its a violation. I didn't think it was right Young using Telford's body for the same thing either. I can see how its furthering the plotlines and creating new character conflicts, such as this episode with Telford and Young, but that doesn't mean I think its right either way.
Oh it was definatly immoral for Young. That much I can agree on.


If you believe that it was 'merely a kiss' they shared in that scene, that's cool and of course you're entitled to your own opinions. I however didn't get that impression. Right now it looks like a lot of people are split how they feel about this, or how they interpreted some of those scenes. Which is great, cause I think its the purpose of the show is to make people question and discuss.

Well my reasoning is what did we see besides a kiss? What else is their to imply that it led to sex. Thier is a fine line between the two and sometimes its just a kiss and nothing more.


Despite that I don't think the body swapping and intimacy is right, it doesn't hurt my desire to watch the show. In fact, I want to find out what is going to eventually happen as a result of people using the bodies of others inappropriately.

- CB
It depends to me. It all maters on how intmate are we talking here?

EllieVee
November 20th, 2009, 08:47 PM
Did you watch the first season of Babylon 5, because it was very slow... the entire season was set-up with very little to no pay-offs.

True, but it had ramifications throughout the rest of the story.

MediaSavant
November 20th, 2009, 08:47 PM
There were quite a things I liked about this episode. I liked the "day in the life" feel where we got a sense of life on the ship for various characters. Even the view of Park as a women who deals with her stress in an interesting way was cool. You go girl. Glad to see that Greer gets to releave stress too.

The stuff with Scott learning he had a son was really good. I know that so many of our military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan have children that they don't know if they will ever see again. SGA and SG1 skirted with this very dramatic issue by avoiding it. It adds a layer to Scott that is very important to the character.

I don't think we've ever seen a Stargate "leader" as complex as Young. Attacking another officer is the wrong thing to do. This give him flaws. Very cool.

There definitely is a lot of intrigue building over who to trust and who to follow. The usual lines in Stargate were straightforward. There were the good guys and the bad guys.

Rush lies. But, is Rush a bad guy? I'm not sure.

Young can be a good leader, but he has moments when his control over his emotions is definitely weak. He's not quite the perfect good guy.

If there is a clear good guy, it's Eli and its clear he's headed for some indecision over who to trust.

Deevil
November 20th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I love what Young did to Telford...however, why doesn't Young just go to Jack O'Neill and tell him what a bad officer Telford is being and get him pulled? And not just Telford, but whomever his cronies are as well. Because he called someone to have them pull the stone off the panel to break the link

One question though...if they are keeping the body swaps same gender...how do they know who goes into whose body?

how do they know which genders are coming when if they have no other means of communication?

I tend to think this comes down to suspending your disbelief. There is no good answer, so I think we're expected to roll with it.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 08:48 PM
True, but it had ramifications throughout the rest of the story.

Perhaps SGU will be this way, especially given how TPTB are purposefully trying to make this a serialized show.

SgaIsBad
November 20th, 2009, 08:51 PM
I wanted to post on this episode and the series in general. If you can tell from my screen name, I wasn't a big fan of SGA's 4th and 5th seasons. I thought the writing got really sloppy and routine. But with SGU, I like how they are trying to give us complex storytelling, away from the Shepherd always saves the day and everyone is healed in the infirmary at the end of the episode.

That being said the show has moved a little slow from what were used to. Darkness and The Light could have been combined into one episode (I know it started out this way but expanded into two which I think hurt both) for example. But I have yet to feel as much anger about a bad SGU episode, as I have about a bad SGA episode. SGA just became formulaic and old. With SGU I can at least say there trying something new, willing to push the limits. Sometimes it works, and sometimes the writers fall on their faces. But at least their trying!

On tonights episode: I really enjoyed it overall. People are complex, and its hard for people to understand. Real people aren't like our SG1 heroes. I love Sam, I love Daniel, I love Jack....but no one is that perfect in real life. Tonight the writers gave us real people. The one girl at the beginning is coping with the stress though sex, first with the man at the beginning, and then with Greer at the end. That's a real emotional person to me. We aren't always perfect, and we don't always make the right decision. Also, Camille Wray. Yes it was a lesbian relationship. Were they graphic, were they crude or immature about how they presented it? No! They presented the relationship just like any other relationship, because that's how gay and straight relationships are.

So from a former person who thrived in the SGA anti thread, I'm happy to say I'm jumping on the Pro SGU thread, and I can't wait for what the writers have in store.

Deevil
November 20th, 2009, 08:51 PM
True, but it had ramifications throughout the rest of the story.

Yup it sure did. I am hoping this is going to be the case here, although I don't expect it to be like Bab5 because JMS had a whole 5 year structure set up in his little bible... I guarantee these guys don't.

BUT, that doesn't mean they don't know where they are going, just that it isn't as maticulously planned.

Briangate78
November 20th, 2009, 08:52 PM
There were quite a things I liked about this episode. I liked the "day in the life" feel where we got a sense of life on the ship for various characters. Even the view of Park as a women who deals with her stress in an interesting way was cool. You go girl. Glad to see that Greer gets to releave stress too.

The stuff with Scott learning he had a son was really good. I know that so many of our military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan have children that they don't know if they will ever see again. SGA and SG1 skirted with this very dramatic issue by avoiding it. It adds a layer to Scott that is very important to the character.

I don't think we've ever seen a Stargate "leader" as complex as Young. Attacking another officer is the wrong thing to do. This give him flaws. Very cool.

There definitely is a lot of intrigue building over who to trust and who to follow. The usual lines in Stargate were straightforward. There were the good guys and the bad guys.

Rush lies. But, is Rush a bad guy? I'm not sure.

Young can be a good leader, but he has moments when his control over his emotions is definitely weak. He's not quite the perfect good guy.

If there is a clear good guy, it's Eli and its clear he's headed for some indecision over who to trust.

Great points about Young, and he is that flawed leader as you said. Rush, we still don't know what his deal is.

I disagee about the Scott scenes though, it was very predictable and I really did not feel anything at all. I am just not thrilled by his character. However, the Eli and Scott scene was very good.

Rush and Young have an amazing chemistry together, and that really is some of the stronger character moments in the show, imo.

I do like the comment about Eli being the clear good guy and not sure who he should trust. That is something I see happening in next episode. Good points as usual MS! :)

Mitchell82
November 20th, 2009, 08:58 PM
You're Right,

In that I think either way its a violation. I didn't think it was right Young using Telford's body for the same thing either. I can see how its furthering the plotlines and creating new character conflicts, such as this episode with Telford and Young, but that doesn't mean I think its right either way.

If you believe that it was 'merely a kiss' they shared in that scene, that's cool and of course you're entitled to your own opinions. I however didn't get that impression. Right now it looks like a lot of people are split how they feel about this, or how they interpreted some of those scenes. Which is great, cause I think its the purpose of the show is to make people question and discuss.

Despite that I don't think the body swapping and intimacy is right, it doesn't hurt my desire to watch the show. In fact, I want to find out what is going to eventually happen as a result of people using the bodies of others inappropriately.

- CB
I disagree. I understand the moral implications however this may be the only way they get to spend any time with their loved ones there only or last chance at intimacy. I don't have an issue with it.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents

It has been well established through out the show that Stargate Universe is more character then plot focused. And I think Life proves that. While not necessarily weak their wasn't a large abundance of a plot for this episode. It was more about the character in this episode and who they are. And I don't exactly expect every episode to be plot focused (and since last week was heavy on plot) I'm okay with this. The important thing is what did those character moments do. As I will illustrate more in depth with my review I think it showed some deep insight into some people and helped build some great character arcs and insight.

Let’s start with the opening song and the montage scenes that came with it. I think this is actually a metaphor for the episode title. In that it shows how various people deal with the stresses of life of the Destiny. Some exercise while others concentrate on work and while others rely on sexual intercourse (Dr. Park and Greer was a shocker). And yet their are others like Sgt. Spencer who decide to go nuts. It’s an interesting idea. We all react to stress in different ways so on a psychological level I found it fascinating to watch these people react differently. Before I move on its obvious Spencer's attitude problem is related to his lack of pills. Anyone else curious what his medical condition is?

Let’s move on with the Ancient neural interface. The first time I saw that thing my thought wasn't about the Ancient Repository of Knowledge. Actually the first thing I thought was that we had found the bridge and this was a primitive form of the Ancient control chair. Maybe the Ancients just like chair. That said I suppose make sense. Now for the question we are asking. For deciding to use the chair who do you agree with? Young or Rush? I have to agree with Young on this one. Yes the potential benefits for using the chair are outstanding but it seems like the risk isn't worth it. A fact Rush is dangerously aware since he was too much of a coward to risk his own life I don't think it is ethical to ask a person to sacrifice their life in this manner. Now if someone volunteered that is a different story but forcing seems wrong in this case. But it is an interesting piece of technology none the less. A piece I wager we will see in the future.
Don't worry people we will return to the Destiny but first let’s talk about the stone stories first.

Lets start with Lt. Scott. Some will say it’s cringeworthy and I guess in some areas it was but overall I liked it. I really have developed a distaste for Scott. So often it seems like Scott is nothing more then a person addicted to sex. And when I just can't stand him they pull this. I liked it. Scott felt betrayed by his ex-girlfriend and I can sympathize with that. Too many times I have had friends and girlfriends alike betray me. So I can see why he is hurt and angry that she never told them about their son. It also makes me wonder if their is more that Scott's ex-girlfriend isn't telling us. Why does she put her and her son through this hell if their was such an easy way out. Sure I could make psychological hypothesis but they all have their flaws. So it will be interesting none the less to see where this goes.

But before I forget Scott Destiny scenes were very forced. The scene between him and Chloe about his son wasn't very interesting and same goes between Scott and Eli. I understand what they were trying to do but the sympathy for Scott was very forced in my opinion.

Now we venture into new territory for Stargate. Let’s be honest. Homosexual couples do not have a great track record with American television. They are either over the top and unrealistic or they aren't talked about at all and make you think why even bother. And to be perfectly fair we didn't really see that much to begin with. However if this is the standard for Stargate homosexual couples I think I will be satisfied. It seemed very realistic for a married couple. Just two people enjoying their time with one another doing the things they loved to do before the Destiny event occurred. And I know a lot of people are already speculating about if Sharon and Wray had swex. I don't think that is the case. I don't see Wray doing something so unprofessional. So unless I see otherwise I am going to assume it was just two people being romantic without being physical. On a final note I wonder what the rough patch between Wray and her parents is. Do you think it will be followed up in the episodes to come?

Now back to the Destiny. As you are well aware of Rush being the low life scum he is lied about their being the Icarus type planet. That raises two very interesting morality questions. The first question is did Rush lie to really raise morale or did he do it for leverage to use the neural chair. Being the cynic I am I think it was more of the latter then the former. Rush is a selfish person who ultimately only cares about what will benefit him. In the present what benefits Rush is learning about the Destiny. So why would he care about the moral of others? Isn't it more logical that Rush did this to try to convince someone in this matter. For Devil's Advocacy lets say I am wrong. Is it right to raise someone's moral with false hope. This time I think I agree with. It’s more productive if a team has hope for something. And on the Destiny being productive could be the difference between life and death.

An interesting twist about the communication stones. It’s nice to see we have learned a new thing about long term use of them. I liked that we now found out that stones imprint part of someone's consciousness on to someone. Like always I hope this is something we develop. But let’s talk about what this brought out. Young seems a little hypocritical to lash out on Emily when he has done the exact same thing. But I can understand and support what he did to Telford (both times). I'm not quite sure what he is up to but you know whatever Telford is doing it isn't good. So bearing that in mind I cheered when Young decked Telford. The bloody nose was so rewarding. I'm going to watch it again.

So in conclusion...wait what do you mean I forgot something? Oh yeah TJ and her psych evaluations. I'll be perfectly honest it felt like filler to me. I can understand the cannon logic behind it but I see no point of conducting the psych test for storyline reasons. Except the part about Greer and his father of course. I don't see how this will be crucial for the characters or plot. It felt like Carl Binder was a few minutes short and added this.

But besides that side plot I very much liked Life. What does about me when I say I liked Life but thought it was one of SGU's weakest episodes? Better yet what does that say about SGU?

retiredat44
November 20th, 2009, 09:00 PM
Yes,

yeah, many of these people are very hard to find any sympathy for..
:rolleyes:

Of course Empress.
"Gag me" was merely an opener. Suffice to say I was thoroughly bored. I'm having a hard...very hard time caring about many of the characters it's all I can do to lick a moment of sympathy for Young, Scott and others....so many of these episodes go nowhere....we are where we where essentially when the show began and sure we have air and water, we've survied a horror film but nothing has engaged my mind at all.

I can barely recognize the show as SCI FI.

aurorous
November 20th, 2009, 09:00 PM
Really? As a short list of things that I personally know about the Destiny:

1) It can refuel itself by harnessing solar power from stars.
2) It is millions of years old, and was launched by the Ancients to gather data on planets seeded with gates.
3) It has some pretty badass weaponry, which we got to see firing briefly in "Earth"
4) There is very strong evidence that the ship is bordering on artificial intelligence, given that it has been shown to be very adept at preserving itself over the years autonomously.
5) It has a high-speed travel different from any sort of "hyperdrive" we've seen before.
6) Most recently, the chair has been discovered, the potential of which is yet unclear, though we know it's there.

I dunno...I personally feel like I've learned quite a bit about the Destiny in the episodes we've had so far, and this is in no means an exhaustive list.

Yep that's a mighty fine list... though 2, 4, and 5 were established in the pilot. And since then they've spent far more time on Young's marital problems than learning anything about the ship. Are there aliens nearby that might be helpful? hostile? Or anything about what the Galaxy their traveling through is like. Seriously no joke, if you like where SGU has gone so far flip over to lifetime and catch a few episodes of Army Wives you'll love it.

Briangate78
November 20th, 2009, 09:02 PM
But besides that side plot I very much liked Life. What does about me when I say I liked Life but thought it was one of SGU's weakest episodes? Better yet what does that say about SGU?

It says that some of these eps have bad moments and really good moments in one episode. I guess you have to take the better scenes and move them along into the next episode. This was the weakest ep only because it dragged, was slow, but still kept interest, imo. Imo, The Destiny scenes were strong, the Earth scenes not so much. But I think you and I are on the same page with this ep. It was ok, but there has been better. Anyway, good review.

Krisz
November 20th, 2009, 09:04 PM
I’m beginning to think that the use of the stones are really becoming more trouble than they are worth. It’s turning out to be quite a clever twist on what the intention of them were to start with. The fact that Young ‘goes back’ to exact his wrath on Telford is not exactly what you’d expect! If anything I’m quite intrigued about the fact that the visits via the stones are making people quite miserable really, plus getting residual memories of the ‘host’ body on their return, (in Scott’s case) can’t help! It has brought a different angle to what contact with Earth brings to stranded folk. It’s not the usual happy scenarios associated with making contact with home when lost far away.

Sitting back and watching SGU unfold is turning out to be worth doing for me. I find now I’m quite happy seeing what these people will reveal each week and what the repercussions will be. Life on Destiny is a powder keg waiting to explode and it will take a few seemingly harmless in themselves events to set it all off. It will be interesting to see how this will be addressed. Who will break and make those big regretful mistakes, it could be anyone on that ship.

major davis
November 20th, 2009, 09:04 PM
The episode wasn't as bad as I thought but not as good as I hoped.

Oh and does park just bed down with any marine in sight???? Really???

Still young beating the crap out of Telford.

Soooooo cool.

The fitness stuff was interesting.

Boy is spencer wacko.

Ok ep. But I didn't despise it so a 6.5/10 overall.

Mitchell82
November 20th, 2009, 09:05 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents

It has been well established through out the show that Stargate Universe is more character then plot focused. And I think Life proves that. While not necessarily weak their wasn't a large abundance of a plot for this episode. It was more about the character in this episode and who they are. And I don't exactly expect every episode to be plot focused (and since last week was heavy on plot) I'm okay with this. The important thing is what did those character moments do. As I will illustrate more in depth with my review I think it showed some deep insight into some people and helped build some great character arcs and insight.

Let’s start with the opening song and the montage scenes that came with it. I think this is actually a metaphor for the episode title. In that it shows how various people deal with the stresses of life of the Destiny. Some exercise while others concentrate on work and while others rely on sexual intercourse (Dr. Park and Greer was a shocker). And yet their are others like Sgt. Spencer who decide to go nuts. It’s an interesting idea. We all react to stress in different ways so on a psychological level I found it fascinating to watch these people react differently. Before I move on its obvious Spencer's attitude problem is related to his lack of pills. Anyone else curious what his medical condition is?

Let’s move on with the Ancient neural interface. The first time I saw that thing my thought wasn't about the Ancient Repository of Knowledge. Actually the first thing I thought was that we had found the bridge and this was a primitive form of the Ancient control chair. Maybe the Ancients just like chair. That said I suppose make sense. Now for the question we are asking. For deciding to use the chair who do you agree with? Young or Rush? I have to agree with Young on this one. Yes the potential benefits for using the chair are outstanding but it seems like the risk isn't worth it. A fact Rush is dangerously aware since he was too much of a coward to risk his own life I don't think it is ethical to ask a person to sacrifice their life in this manner. Now if someone volunteered that is a different story but forcing seems wrong in this case. But it is an interesting piece of technology none the less. A piece I wager we will see in the future.
Don't worry people we will return to the Destiny but first let’s talk about the stone stories first.

Lets start with Lt. Scott. Some will say it’s cringeworthy and I guess in some areas it was but overall I liked it. I really have developed a distaste for Scott. So often it seems like Scott is nothing more then a person addicted to sex. And when I just can't stand him they pull this. I liked it. Scott felt betrayed by his ex-girlfriend and I can sympathize with that. Too many times I have had friends and girlfriends alike betray me. So I can see why he is hurt and angry that she never told them about their son. It also makes me wonder if their is more that Scott's ex-girlfriend isn't telling us. Why does she put her and her son through this hell if their was such an easy way out. Sure I could make psychological hypothesis but they all have their flaws. So it will be interesting none the less to see where this goes.

But before I forget Scott Destiny scenes were very forced. The scene between him and Chloe about his son wasn't very interesting and same goes between Scott and Eli. I understand what they were trying to do but the sympathy for Scott was very forced in my opinion.

Now we venture into new territory for Stargate. Let’s be honest. Homosexual couples do not have a great track record with American television. They are either over the top and unrealistic or they aren't talked about at all and make you think why even bother. And to be perfectly fair we didn't really see that much to begin with. However if this is the standard for Stargate homosexual couples I think I will be satisfied. It seemed very realistic for a married couple. Just two people enjoying their time with one another doing the things they loved to do before the Destiny event occurred. And I know a lot of people are already speculating about if Sharon and Wray had swex. I don't think that is the case. I don't see Wray doing something so unprofessional. So unless I see otherwise I am going to assume it was just two people being romantic without being physical. On a final note I wonder what the rough patch between Wray and her parents is. Do you think it will be followed up in the episodes to come?

Now back to the Destiny. As you are well aware of Rush being the low life scum he is lied about their being the Icarus type planet. That raises two very interesting morality questions. The first question is did Rush lie to really raise morale or did he do it for leverage to use the neural chair. Being the cynic I am I think it was more of the latter then the former. Rush is a selfish person who ultimately only cares about what will benefit him. In the present what benefits Rush is learning about the Destiny. So why would he care about the moral of others? Isn't it more logical that Rush did this to try to convince someone in this matter. For Devil's Advocacy lets say I am wrong. Is it right to raise someone's moral with false hope. This time I think I agree with. It’s more productive if a team has hope for something. And on the Destiny being productive could be the difference between life and death.

An interesting twist about the communication stones. It’s nice to see we have learned a new thing about long term use of them. I liked that we now found out that stones imprint part of someone's consciousness on to someone. Like always I hope this is something we develop. But let’s talk about what this brought out. Young seems a little hypocritical to lash out on Emily when he has done the exact same thing. But I can understand and support what he did to Telford (both times). I'm not quite sure what he is up to but you know whatever Telford is doing it isn't good. So bearing that in mind I cheered when Young decked Telford. The bloody nose was so rewarding. I'm going to watch it again.

So in conclusion...wait what do you mean I forgot something? Oh yeah TJ and her psych evaluations. I'll be perfectly honest it felt like filler to me. I can understand the cannon logic behind it but I see no point of conducting the psych test for storyline reasons. Except the part about Greer and his father of course. I don't see how this will be crucial for the characters or plot. It felt like Carl Binder was a few minutes short and added this.

But besides that side plot I very much liked Life. What does about me when I say I liked Life but thought it was one of SGU's weakest episodes? Better yet what does that say about SGU?

Very good review and I agree with you abut Wray and Sharon. I don't think they did but even if they did I'm not sure I would have an issue with it. Sure it has moral implications but then again it also could be the only way or even last chance to do so. As to your last sentence to me it says that SGu is a great show where even the weak eps are very good.

DigiFluid
November 20th, 2009, 09:08 PM
Oh and does park just bed down with any marine in sight???? Really???
I'd "bed down" with her without a second thought. Why shouldn't she be afforded the same choice?

Pharaoh Atem
November 20th, 2009, 09:10 PM
thr show is getting strong now :)

and Spencer is going to snap :D

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Yep that's a mighty fine list... though 2, 4, and 5 were established in the pilot. And since then they've spent far more time on Young's marital problems than learning anything about the ship. Are there aliens nearby that might be helpful? hostile?

No idea, but remember the probe that detached from Destiny in "Air" 3? Certainly hints at some sort of intelligent alien life. It'll be interesting to see what further alien life the crew encounters :)


Or anything about what the Galaxy their traveling through is like.

Well, what should we know about this particular galaxy in general? I mean, we know a great deal about all of the planets the Destiny has been in proximity to so far...but I'm confused as to what we're supposed to know about something as vast and as variable as a galaxy :confused:


Seriously no joke, if you like where SGU has gone so far flip over to lifetime and catch a few episodes of Army Wives you'll love it.

Oh, I see. Degradation. :( I see what your arguments must resort to. Pity...

Mitchell82
November 20th, 2009, 09:14 PM
thr show is getting strong now :)

and Spencer is going to snap :D

Indeed.

Coronach
November 20th, 2009, 09:14 PM
Oh and does park just bed down with any marine in sight???? Really???


Perhaps. I think it's interesting, given what we've seen of her personality. I kinda didn't expect it from her ;)

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 09:16 PM
It says that some of these eps have bad moments and really good moments in one episode. I guess you have to take the better scenes and move them along into the next episode. This was the weakest ep only because it dragged, was slow, but still kept interest, imo. Imo, The Destiny scenes were strong, the Earth scenes not so much. But I think you and I are on the same page with this ep. It was ok, but there has been better. Anyway, good review.

I have yet to find an episode that doesn't a bad scene in it. Although Lost City came pretty close.

Lord Hurin
November 20th, 2009, 09:16 PM
IS EITHER RIGHT?!

I don't think so.
And personally I can certainly respect a religious view even if it's not popular or PC and there is nothing sad about it, that is what is called a right....all we must be careful of....is being respectful for differing views no matter what side you're on.

My entire family agrees that the body-swapping sex is ridiculous. Ok, so MAYBE your wife/ gf/ life partner believes this incredible body switching story that some Air Force Major comes and tells them. Still, would they just up and have sex with someone else's body? My guess would be no, realistically.

You can respect a view that denies certain groups of people the same right everyone else has? Well, at least they don't burn homosexuals as witches anymore... :rolleyes:

So I have a right to say that, the French for example, shouldn't be able to legally marry? How is that different at all?

DigiFluid
November 20th, 2009, 09:18 PM
This isn't the place for a gay rights discussion.

Even though you are also from Burlington :eek:

Briangate78
November 20th, 2009, 09:19 PM
I have yet to find an episode that doesn't a bad scene in it. Although Lost City came pretty close.

What makes a better episode is more good scene and less bad scenes, obviously. :p Sometimes a few scenes can be amazing and the rest can be really bad but the outweigh makes it a good ep, lol. Um does that make sense? :p

Mitchell82
November 20th, 2009, 09:19 PM
Agreed lets leave gay rights arguments out of here please.

Lord Hurin
November 20th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Saquist, sorry to single you out there. I don't mean my response as a personal attack against you, I just don't understand the right-wing when it comes to this kind of thing.

Everyone has right, unless they're different and scare me? I don't see how that makes sense.

Again, I haven't heard enough about your opinion to say that this is your point of view on the matter. I just know that a lot of people who don't seem to think rights apply to certain people.

Mitchell82
November 20th, 2009, 09:20 PM
What makes a better episode is more good scene and less bad scenes, obviously. :p Sometimes a few scenes can be amazing and the rest can be really bad but the outweigh makes it a good ep, lol. Um does that make sense? :p

Um huh....what.......ummmm......;)

Lord Hurin
November 20th, 2009, 09:22 PM
This isn't the place for a gay rights discussion.

Even though you are also from Burlington :eek:

Indeed, sorry. I just wanted to point out that the point should either be (as Saquist did mention) that it's right or wrong. Sexual preference shouldn't factor into one's opinion on "swex" :cool:

Yeah, I'd noticed you were from Burlington some time ago. What high school did you go to?

Deevil
November 20th, 2009, 09:28 PM
What makes a better episode is more good scene and less bad scenes, obviously. :p Sometimes a few scenes can be amazing and the rest can be really bad but the outweigh makes it a good ep, lol. Um does that make sense? :p

Of course, what is good to you is not good to someone else :lol:... otherwise ad sci-fi so wouldn't exist.

Briangate78
November 20th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Um huh....what.......ummmm......;)

LOL! I've missed our conversations Mitchell82. :p

major davis
November 20th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Perhaps. I think it's interesting, given what we've seen of her personality. I kinda didn't expect it from her ;)

Ya same here. James seems more likely. Her and greer was more of a shocker actually I got home at like 9:45 from dropping off a friend and was on the phone with someone till 9:57 so I said let me catch tge last two minutes of sgu then I'll go downstairs and watch the whole thing. So I turn on the tv and first thing I see is Greer and park getting it on. Lol

Really made me psyched for the rest of life. :p

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 09:30 PM
Indeed, sorry. I just wanted to point out that the point should either be (as Saquist did mention) that it's right or wrong. Sexual preference shouldn't factor into one's opinion on "swex" :cool:

Yeah, I'd noticed you were from Burlington some time ago. What high school did you go to?

I already claimed copyright on the swex term. You owe 10 rep points:P

And yes Briangate your post made sense. The good:bad scene ratio determines the epicness and suckiness of a show

Mitchell82
November 20th, 2009, 09:34 PM
LOL! I've missed our conversations Mitchell82. :p

:lol: Yeah me too.

Mitchell82
November 20th, 2009, 09:35 PM
I already claimed copyright on the swex term. You owe 10 rep points:P

And yes Briangate your post made sense. The good:bad scene ratio determines the epicness and suckiness of a show

Lexx anyone?

Pharaoh Atem
November 20th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Of course Empress.
"Gag me" was merely an opener. Suffice to say I was thoroughly bored. I'm having a hard...very hard time caring about many of the characters it's all I can do to lick a moment of sympathy for Young, Scott and others....so many of these episodes go nowhere....we are where we where essentially when the show began and sure we have air and water, we've survied a horror film but nothing has engaged my mind at all.

I can barely recognize the show as SCI FI.
it's a character drama that takes place in space with science fiction elements

DigiFluid
November 20th, 2009, 09:37 PM
Lexx anyone?
Wall to wall epic?

Infy
November 20th, 2009, 09:49 PM
Was this the episode that was supposed to have a lesbian sex scene? Cos unless I watched the heavily censored/cut version, i didnt see anything that would cause controversy?

major davis
November 20th, 2009, 09:52 PM
Oh and btw.

Wray is a human resources person. She should know to consider her hosts sexual orientation and should consider that her host probably wouldn't want her making out with another girl.

david2708
November 20th, 2009, 09:53 PM
I thought this episode very much related to last week's one, Time.
They took a 40 minute episode and made it seem like 400.

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 10:07 PM
Oh and btw.

Wray is a human resources person. She should know to consider her hosts sexual orientation and should consider that her host probably wouldn't want her making out with another girl.

Why should it be any different then a stone person kissing his husband or wife

Lightning Ducj
November 20th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Why should it be any different then a stone person kissing his husband or wife

It shouldn't I had the same feeling watching Camille and Sharon as did watching Emily and Young..."that's somebody else's body!!"

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 10:13 PM
It shouldn't I had the same feeling watching Camille and Sharon as did watching Emily and Young..."that's somebody else's body!!"

I don't see a kiss a major immoral violation like sex. Actors kiss all the time when it doesn't mean anything. Its more who is behind it

hy0tt0k0
November 20th, 2009, 10:15 PM
OK, so I watched Time last week and had to wait a week after that cliffhanger ending to catch the rest in Life, only to find this filler? Oooooooooooooor, did I miss an episode? Is anyone else annoyed that they decided to just forget their cliffhanger, and let the audience assume that the team must have quickly gone to the planet, found the creatures, found a way to get enough of them, were able to properly make a serum from the creatures venom without any real lab equipment, and administered it before everyone died. yeah, that wouldn't take up a whole episode and wouldn't be remotely entertaining to watch.................OR did i just miss the conclusion?

EvenstarSRV
November 20th, 2009, 10:37 PM
I don't see a kiss a major immoral violation like sex. Actors kiss all the time when it doesn't mean anything. Its more who is behind it

The key for me here is consent. If the bodies Wray and the others jumped into gave consent for them to kiss, have sex, etc with whoever they wanted, then I don't have a problem with it.

But based on what I've seen, I haven't gotten a sense that that consent has been given, and it's a big enough of issue for me that I can't just assume it's been given.

Vapor
November 20th, 2009, 10:50 PM
I don't have a problem with the swex itself, but I would very much appreciate some throwaway dialogue concerning the various swappers giving consent to do XYZ in their bodies while they're swapped. Unless they intend to bring this up as a moral issue later, in which case, BRING IT ON. :)

I really responded to a lot of the smaller things in the episode.

Practically every scene with TJ talking to the crew was fantastic and revealing in a lot of cool ways. Greer's scene was awesome. And I loved that moment where Volker just slightly reveals how crazy life on the ship is making him and you have TJ's subtle recognition of this. Good drama there. In terms of writing, directing, and acting- it was all just extremely solid.

The episode as a whole didn't blast me into next week, but I liked it overall. Enjoyed the way the music bookended the "day in the life" sort of feel to the story. Can't wait to see the resolution to the Spencer story.

And Young laying the smackdown on Telford? Frakking awesome.

Pharaoh Atem
November 20th, 2009, 10:51 PM
pa has again learned a new word "swex"

coZma
November 20th, 2009, 10:52 PM
This episode had MEAH written all over it. So what's the deal, each week 2 persons swap bodies, meet their loved ones on earth, get sticky and swap back? (so if there are like 100 people on board it's enough material for 50 ep with the same story reshot for each character?) I don't even think they showed at least a shot of the stargate. This LRC is really starting to anoy me and even though i fairly enjoyed sgu till now this ep was just boring

jelgate
November 20th, 2009, 10:54 PM
pa has again learned a new word "swex"

You do know I totally made that word up. Its not a real word

Pharaoh Atem
November 20th, 2009, 10:55 PM
You do know I totally made that word up. Its not a real word

it's in the urban dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Swex

real word in a slang sense

arnoldrimmer
November 20th, 2009, 10:57 PM
loved the fight scene with Young and Telford he did a number on telford.

Great he came from behind what Figth?? It was a sneaky Attack from a Coward.

5 Min Scif
40 Min Human Social Crap
prisecless

Kidwizz
November 20th, 2009, 11:31 PM
So, we saw what Spencer was like off his meds... What were they? ADHD meds? What will he do? kill someone?

Shan Bruce Lee
November 20th, 2009, 11:31 PM
Because as you know people are never immoral or never illoglogical:rolleyes:

Of course they're not. What kind of Pagan village do you come from? :p

siXbrownSnakes2
November 20th, 2009, 11:32 PM
That was boring.

Three words sum up the episode for me. Nothing else needs to be said... because essentially nothing happened. We found a chair, some more people went back to Earth and cried, and Young and Telford continue to have a ridiculously outrageous and unrealistic sissy fight. Oh, and the chair we found has information that we won't be using because, well, apparently no one's going to sit in it. Awesome!!

That episode could have easily lasted 20 minutes if the crap was cut, leaving more time for something to actually take place.

Sorry, but this was pathetic.

Cold Fuzz
November 20th, 2009, 11:34 PM
So, we saw what Spencer was like off his meds... What were they? ADHD meds? What will he do? kill someone?

I think it's fair to say that Spencer's already lost it. ;) Either they were anti-depressants, anti-psychotics or some other type of psychiatric medication. Whatever the case, the way he keeps ragging on Dr. Franklin pretty much shows me he's deteriorating into nearly sociopathic behavior.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 20th, 2009, 11:44 PM
That was boring.

Three words sum up the episode for me. Nothing else needs to be said... because essentially nothing happened. We found a chair, some more people went back to Earth and cried, and Young and Telford continue to have a ridiculously outrageous and unrealistic sissy fight. Oh, and the chair we found has information that we won't be using because, well, apparently no one's going to sit in it. Awesome!!

That episode could have easily lasted 20 minutes if the crap was cut, leaving more time for something to actually take place.

Sorry, but this was pathetic.

I only wish...

Icarus Base
November 20th, 2009, 11:44 PM
He's going to kill someone. Oh wait, he probably will? Has anyone made the connection yet with next weeks episode.

Spoilers/Spec for Justice:
They say theirs a murder, and young is framed. Spencer CURRENTLY does not like Young (So i believe, lol) Could spencer possibly be the one behind it all?

Just a thought.

garhkal
November 20th, 2009, 11:46 PM
loved the fight scene with Young and Telford he did a number on telford.

Which to me is surprising considering all the m/art training LDP has had over the years for many of his films..

And that he is more of a marine than young is in regards to being 'on the ball'.


As am I. I think it'd be epic if Chloe ended up sitting in it later in the season. Not that I think they have to do this to make her character interesting, but it would be a path I wouldn't really expect them to take

It would indeed be a twist if she turned out to be the only one who can control it, as if that was the only thing they put the ATA controlling tech in at the time and she is the only one with the gene. BUT i seriously doubt it. I think rush is going to get Greer to let him sit in it.


I love what Young did to Telford...however, why doesn't Young just go to Jack O'Neill and tell him what a bad officer Telford is being and get him pulled?

Less satisfaction. Easier to do. Would O'Neill even believe him?



ne question though...if they are keeping the body swaps same gender...how do they know who goes into whose body?

how do they know which genders are coming when if they have no other means of communication?

Agreed. IMO it is about time they had a gender swap.


Also kudos to Dr. Rush. Yeah he lied, he fabricated information, but he was not doing it for nefarious purposes. Giving people hope, a reason to live and as the Doctor put it to be "productive" is a far better alternative to helpless drudgery with no hope of rescue. In a sense Dr. Rush could be seen as an anti-villain so far in SGU, and Robert Carlyle is playing the part expertly. So far I'm satisfied, can't wait to see what Episodes 11-20 have in store.

Besides the Young/Telford fight, and scott's finding out he has a kid, that imo was the best aspect of it, plot wise. The finding the chair a close second.


We need more of that conflict drama, and less of the "I have a son and will make sure my paycheck pays for child support" At least next week it

I actually found a lot more respect for Scott when he did that.


This whole body swapping for sex is really getting sick

While it is reasonable to see that sex with their loved ones is one thing they would want to do, you would think the powers in charge would have made mention by now, that it is a no no since they are in other people's bodies.
Also, why was SHE cleared to know, but not Scotts squeeze? Or Eli's mom?


Once again, Chloe seemed to have very little purpose.

True but i LOVED the ending where she and Eli were doing Yoga while everyone else was working out.


Eli did have some good moments, like working on the “Stargate Powered by the Star” plan, as well as him showing he was trying to get in shape working out with Chloe.

I wonder how much longer Young will have him checking it over. IIRC Eli said he has checked it twelve times and the results all come out the same. DISASTER!


Finally, Wray. I don’t know how else to say this, but I think I dislike her more then Chloe. As one of the high ranking members of the IOA she completely abused some young woman’s body by engaging in intimacy with her partner. I have nothing against same sex relationships, but the young woman she was inhabiting might.

Agreed. I mean, i do not see many men having an issue with having sex with a woman (even if it is someone elses wife), but i cannot see many women who are NOT bi or gay wanting to have sex with another woman, especially one you don't know.


Anyway, it was nice they were bringing up the SG-1 stories, including the ones where O'neill downloaded all of the ancient knowledge in his head. I wish the ep had more scenes focused around this discovery. I loved the drama between Young and Rush who debated about using the chair, and when Young said you can sit in the chair, Rush did not say a word,

Agreed. IMO more of the chair and less of scott/his gf and/or Cray and her GF would have made this a 10 out of 10 for me. As it stands it is only around a 6.


Two people already have had a bigger problem with body swap gay sex than body swap straight sex. Sad.

True. BUT here is a question for ya. would YOU concent to allowin someone elses mind to take over YOUR body to go shag another guy (asuming you are not already gay?)??
If not, then i can easily see why so many are having heart aches with this.
And what makes it even worse, is the chick she was in WAS MILITARY, therefore is under the policy of 'dont ask, don't tell. NO GAYS. Ergo could her being used that way by Cray be terms for her to get busted for being gay?


IS EITHER RIGHT?!

To me as long as the one being 'ported into' concents it is ok. BUT i wonder if those being used on the SGC side of house have a say in the matter. They do not know if they will get a straight guy, gay guy, straight gal, gay gal etc?


And, not all views are worthy of respect. I wouldn't respect someone who felt that using someone's body to have inter-racial swap-sex is worse than same-race swap-sex because the person swapping may not want to have sex with someone of a different race. I feel pretty much the same way about the gay/straight thing. Both wrong or both OK.

Being military i fight to allow you to have your views and opinions. BUT i do not agree on the above. YES to me it is more wrong for someone to body swap for gay sex or interracial sex, than it would be for straight. ESPECIALLY since as mentioned above, the ones they seem to swap into are all military and therefore prohibited from it via regulations. Therefore it is worse as it could cause them to be kicked out. FOR NO fault of their own.
That and to me it is morally wrong, unless they happened to 'port' into someone who is already gay themselves.


That actually doesn't happen very often with organization like...the military who have an image to maintain and are opening themselves up to law suits...

These organization normally Cover they're...butts...on this kind of thing...not expose themselves to litigation.

Very true. They are opening themselves up big time. WEll if they allowed military personnel to sue the military. And since all we have seen use the stones from the earth side (other than those 2 scientists who accompanied Telford) were military it is a mute point.
BUT if they were civilian, i could easily see one suing for violation of their rights. Whether the case would even go anywhere or not, i doubt it as it would be one hell of a breach of security/


OK let's analyze this. You are swapping your body with someone else billions of light years away eager to reconnect with their loved ones, eat something that is not a freaking MRI as they do onboard the ship and yes have intimacy with their wives or husbands or lovers as the case might be. I'd say that is pretty clear you have agreed to have your body used by whoever in the manner he/she sees fit while is in control. Otherwise there would be no point to it at all.

It is YOU eating the food not them. THey may have the taste sensation, but is your body having to put up with what is ate. What if you have food alergies? And i cannot see them having people concent to 'what ever the other person wants to do' being allowed.


So... no ones cares to know how come all ship crew suddenly had identical shirts and pants and went on a run like that? Good thing they had time to pack that in their... oh wait, no they didn't come with briefcases full of clothing! what the...

Yea, that was kind of strange. As well as all the water they will be using to take showers after each run/work out session. Where did that come from? OR have they stocked up on more water since the events of "water".


I don't really see how its any different from a man going home to see his wife or vice versa. Surely the people who use the stones realize people are going to want to see their loved ones. I don't see a kiss a major violation of body rights

SO you are not committed to your wife (assuming your married)> Would you not freak out and have issues if someone ported into your body to have sex with another woman, Or another man?


Basically, I disagree that we always need to respect other's beliefs. Generally, yes--but some views are not worthy of respect, such as a racist belief. Picture two scenarios: A. someone swaps bodies and has sex with someone of the same race as the host. B. someone swaps bodies and has sex with someone of a different race from the host. I would have a problem with a viewer saying that scenario B is worse than scenario A because what if the host disagrees with race-mixing. Either A and B are both wrong, or A and B are both right. I would not respect that person's opinion.

Similarly I would not respect someone's opinion if they think that borrowing a body for gay sex is worse than borrowing it for straight sex. Again, equally wrong or OK.

And yet again i disagree. In all the times i have had sex with members of certain ethnicities, i have barely been able to 'hold interest' to go all the way. BUT other than the 2 times i was drunk, i have never had that issue with others. So therefore to ME having sex with the 'ethnicity' is off the table. If someone took over me to have sex with his SO of that ethnicity, i would have more of an issue than if someone took over me to have sex with someone of my own ethnicity.
And it is more pronounced for the gay side of house.


In fact, I want to find out what is going to eventually happen as a result of people using the bodies of others inappropriately.

Darn skippy. I would love to see a clip of back on earth some of those who have been swapped into complaining to Gen O'neill about the sex.


My entire family agrees that the body-swapping sex is ridiculous. Ok, so MAYBE your wife/ gf/ life partner believes this incredible body switching story that some Air Force Major comes and tells them. Still, would they just up and have sex with someone else's body? My guess would be no, realistically.

Agreed. I could see some accepting it enough to talk to you, but imo it would take a lot more convincing to get them to have sex...


This isn't the place for a gay rights discussion.

What about gay lefts;);):cool:


Why should it be any different then a stone person kissing his husband or wife

Do you mean straight? Perhaps someone just thinks it is wrong. Not to mention the whole is it allowable cause for a divorce on adultery charge, if i swap into someone married to have sex with someone else.

Kidwizz
November 20th, 2009, 11:47 PM
^ hmm this is true, but i have been spoiler free. :P

Franklyn Blaze
November 20th, 2009, 11:51 PM
My only reply to this thread would be

Ya think?

Deevil
November 21st, 2009, 12:01 AM
Also, why was SHE cleared to know, but not Scotts squeeze? Or Eli's mom?

Eli's mother was cleared to know what was going on, Eli just chose not to tell her. Big difference.



To me as long as the one being 'ported into' concents it is ok. BUT i wonder if those being used on the SGC side of house have a say in the matter. They do not know if they will get a straight guy, gay guy, straight gal, gay gal etc?

I don't know why it matters if a gay person, or a straight person ports over. Does it matter if it's a black person, or an Asian one?


ESPECIALLY since as mentioned above, the ones they seem to swap into are all military and therefore prohibited from it via regulations. Therefore it is worse as it could cause them to be kicked out. FOR NO fault of their own.
That and to me it is morally wrong, unless they happened to 'port' into someone who is already gay themselves.

First, don't ask don't tell does mean not gays in the military - it just means you don't get to make it public. Furthermore, no one is going to get booted for having 'relations' while their body is inhabited by another conciousness.

The SGC wouldn't allow that to happen.

***

People were talking about the riules of bodyswapping. In Earth when Young, Eli and Chloe were talking while they were on Earth Young clearly said 'you can visit yur family, as long as you follow the rules". Now, we don't know what the rules are, and it could be a simple disclosure rule - but there are definately rules in place.

aaroNiGHTS
November 21st, 2009, 12:05 AM
Found it really boring. For a show that's trying to be character based, the characters are annoying and stale. Kinda feel sad knowing that Universe could cause Stargate as a whole to die.

BurningIce
November 21st, 2009, 12:14 AM
So, we saw what Spencer was like off his meds... What were they? ADHD meds? What will he do? kill someone?
My non-existant money is on them being amphetamines.

harakiri
November 21st, 2009, 12:31 AM
First I must say again: Will we ever loose those drama-stones? Its about time to get them crushed to dust forever. OK. I did not mind the earth scenes,but its just to much of them. Where is the writers plan to be total cut of from earth? I did not mind the involvement of earth in the start,but now its way to much of it. The new things that happened on the ship is way more interesting than the back stories to the people on it,and that is what the show was going to be all about,the ship and Stargate(s)?
That was my weekly concerns,but there are always better to focus on the positive,so I`ll do that more from now on.

I`ll give the episode a "+" for the discovery of the chair,and of course a "-" for not using it.
BTW,Would`nt the person using that chair need the ancient gene? Anyway,Rush could use it,but really,who are going to help the one that might be stuck in it or everything else that has to do with ancient technology while Rush sits in it?
Is it more like one of those "headsuckers" or closer to the ancients drone chairs or even the chairs that controls Atlantis and so on? The Ori ships did also have ancient chairs,naturally since they in some way was ancients. This chair did however look very different,but that makes it even more interesting.

Yesterday I was thinking about the seeding ship,if they would get more information about it,or even find it destroyed or just stranded somewhere out in space. And then....wooohoo,they mentioned it,its nice to get something I wanted even though it was`nt a lot about it. If they only had use the whole episode to actually be ON the ship we could have gotten more of the cool stuff.

And before I forget: Young is the MAN! I mean,the crushing Telfords face thing,not the never ending fights he has with Rush. And is`nt it bad that he ask Eli to spy for him,but when Eli comes with the information he go straight to Rush with his findings? That could cause problems for Eli and his relation to Rush. How will Rush treat Eli now? It can be bad. And now Eli can never spy again without Rush knowing that it will be watched. Young is great,but did he think when confronting Rush this time?

Well,this was my thoughts,questions,complaints and so on and so on.

Episode 9 "Life" was better than the worst one so far (Earth),but I feel to go down to a 5/10, (I dont remember what I gave "Earth",but it was under 7). But overall after 9 episodes, 7 episodes gets over 7/10,and 2 episodes just gets an "OK" from me is not so bad. Is it?

I have great hope for the future episodes,but I actually already thinking about season 2,which where I hope the drama-stones are gone. I have to have hopes right?

Detox
November 21st, 2009, 01:01 AM
He's going to kill someone. Oh wait, he probably will? Has anyone made the connection yet with next weeks episode.

Spolers/Spec for Justice :
They say theirs a murder, and young is framed. Spencer CURRENTLY does not like Young (So i believe, lol) Could spencer possibly be the one behind it all?

Just a thought.

BIG Spoilers for Justice

Robert Carlyle said that there's an episode where a tragic incident occurs and Rush frames Young for it. Seeing where Spencer's story is leading him, and with Justice being the last episode Josh Blacker is being listed for on IMDB, I'm beginning to think he's the one who'll be killed. Also, if you've watched the preview for the next episode...
http://www.syfy.com/universe/

Yeah. Spencer pretty much is dead.

Ouroboros
November 21st, 2009, 01:12 AM
This one was so so for me. The best part was probably the surprisingly well done lesbian relationship but other than that it was just more of the usual "Rush is hiding something" "I miss my wife" type stuff.

While I initially liked him I'm finding Young less and less interesting by the episode and Scott's hard luck family back story was almost over the top enough to break into unintentionally hilarious territory.

It was good that this episode finally had something for Ming Na's Wray character to do but I'm getting pretty bored of what seems to be the general Scott/Chloe/Young focus thus far. There still remain other characters like TJ, James and Greer that we've seen almost nothing about but here they chose to already go back and revisit Young and his wife which seemed really premature.

Lastly I've also got to comment on the ballet scenes as it's starting to seem almost hilariously obvious that "Chloe Armstrong" was thought up while somebody was thinking of Summer Glau. Whether they actually wanted Glau for the role or not we'll probably never know, but it's obvious that the actress cast does resemble her a great deal, the makeup and wardrobe choices do anything but attempt to diminish any similarity, and these latest ballet scenes were virtually identical to ones from the terminator series in which Glau appeared. Glau is apparently also trained as a ballerina.

Make of that what you will but it's getting pretty weird for me.

senilegreen
November 21st, 2009, 01:21 AM
SGU continues to be controlled by the need to appeal to the SyFy target audience of late teens/early twenty somethings - the next stage of television watching for the "Buffy" crowd.

Summary: Unreal situations manipulated to meet the idealized fantasies of young people.

Example: The writers are obsessed with idealized sex, which in this case leads to induced rape. By that I mean the use of the host body for sex without the participation of the host-body owner.

No commanding officer (in this case Gen. Oneill) would run the operation the way we see it in this show. For example, the use of the stones. Since they work 24/7, and since the welfare of the people would be priority, the Earth-bound people transferring to the ship wouldn't be misc. military officers but would be counselors (who could do a real psych-eval, not the lame one the nurse does) and physicians. Hell, Oneill himself would go to convince himself whether Telford (who ought to be court marshaled for his abuse of the situation) is telling the truth.

This is why SGU is, IMO, now become a bad TV show. It's trying to be an adult drama but is written as if done by teenagers.

Last week's show was pretty entertaining, at least to me. This week, "Life", is back to bottom of the barrel. Of the entire cast of characters, Sgt. Greer is the one standout. The Young-(college dropout kid whose name I keep forgetting, I think it is "Eli") relationship to spy on Rush makes for an interesting story. So much of the rest is just teeny-soap-opera fluff.

Thank heaven for Hulu... where I can skip forward past the empty parts.

eonflux
November 21st, 2009, 01:40 AM
I thInk the drama stones a s you call them. Are the only thing that are keeping people sane at them moment and not turning it into Pandorum the TV series.

The ship pre-dates the era the Ancients started to secure there devices with the gene.

Anyways don't they ever marked the rooms or place. All doors look the same all corridors look the same.

The Chair
Rush thinks it's a download device. To me the chair looks more like an execution device. What is the need for those straps. You telling me the download is going to hurt that much? Im positive that a certain point in time our criminal tendencies will have evolved to a point of non existence or removed. But what if this thing was meant to punish people.

I wonder if its safe to say that Ancient children didn't go to school. But received the collective knowledge downloaded at some point?

edit:
BTW I tHink you are spot on With the Summer remark.

g.o.d
November 21st, 2009, 01:41 AM
wow, I liked this episode more than 101-103. Absolutely amazing episode

MattSilver 3k
November 21st, 2009, 02:05 AM
Wait wait wait! *Looks at thread title*

Spencer had any of "it" to begin with?

EvilSpaceAlien
November 21st, 2009, 02:20 AM
I liked this episode more than I thought I would.

The parts where Camile visited Sharon was very well done when think about the writers track record when it comes to relationships. In fact I found the scenes with Camile and Sharon more interesting than the ones on the ship. There was some great acting from Ming-Na and Reiko Aylesworth during those scenes.

We need a Camile/Sharon smiley! :love:

The only thing I didn't like much was the parts with Scott and his ex.

Oh and what the hell is wrong with Spencer!?

Now I'm just going to sit back and wait for someone to call Dr. Park a whore. You all know someone is going to do it just because she had sex two times in one episode.

7.9/10

MattSilver 3k
November 21st, 2009, 02:28 AM
Now I'm just going to sit back and wait for someone to call Dr. Park a whore. You all know someone is going to do it just because she had sex two times in one episode.

I say good for her. It's how she relaxes/relieves the tension, and she doesn't make it overly personal - remember her hello to that marine? Her response was akin to someone who just used a man for a booty call... Let her do her thing!

EvilSpaceAlien
November 21st, 2009, 02:44 AM
I say good for her. It's how she relaxes/relieves the tension, and she doesn't make it overly personal - remember her hello to that marine? Her response was akin to someone who just used a man for a booty call... Let her do her thing!

Yes I agree with you.
I've just noticed that some people seem to overreact when it comes to sex, and those people will probably go on and on about how Park is a slut just for using sex relieve tension. These are the same people who called Chloe a slut for just talking with Eli in one episode and then having sex with Matt in the next.

knowles2
November 21st, 2009, 02:47 AM
Oh and btw.

Wray is a human resources person. She should know to consider her hosts sexual orientation and should consider that her host probably wouldn't want her making out with another girl.

Of cause the host could be lesbian herself an so would not mind.


A very good episode.

Kidwizz
November 21st, 2009, 02:52 AM
Wait wait wait! *Looks at thread title*

Spencer had any of "it" to begin with?
hehe. good point. but he's gonna lose more of it soon. :P

kaliel
November 21st, 2009, 03:14 AM
Overall I wasn't terribly impressed with this episode. I think that comes down to the fact that it followed an incredibly excellent episode which, whilst obviously rehashing ideas from the previous Stargate shows, had such large quantities of character development and realistic emotion.

That being said, the parts with Camile and Young were excellent, especially as they didn't play on the lesbian aspect of Wray's relationship so much as the emotional strain.

What I'm not impressed with is Scott's character. They seem to be trying to develop him, with his youth history, his ex, his child, and his relationship with Chloe. Yet he still seems shallow and two-dimensional, and his relationship seems fake and empty at best.

Oka
November 21st, 2009, 03:21 AM
Cognitive dissonance is a bad thing. This episode was incredibly boring. No plot. The characters were as annoying as ever. Nothing of importance happened. We're not getting anywhere.

This wasn't the episode you wanted to see. Stop lying to yourself. It's wasn't what we want Stargate to be.

MattSilver 3k
November 21st, 2009, 03:23 AM
Cognitive dissonance is a bad thing. This episode was incredibly boring. No plot. The characters were as annoying as ever. Nothing of importance happened. We're not getting anywhere.

This wasn't the episode you wanted to see. Stop lying to yourself. It's wasn't what we want Stargate to be.

Thank you.

For then I was blind but now I can see!

EvilSpaceAlien
November 21st, 2009, 03:28 AM
Cognitive dissonance is a bad thing. This episode was incredibly boring. No plot. The characters were as annoying as ever. Nothing of importance happened. We're not getting anywhere.

This wasn't the episode you wanted to see. Stop lying to yourself. It's wasn't what we want Stargate to be.

And who's we??

Dii-Reno
November 21st, 2009, 03:37 AM
There is a problem with him taking pills. I don't think people who take permanent superscriptions are allowed to join the military. I'm pretty sure you have to be able to get through bootcamp without meds.

Now if he would have come back from Iraq or something and been on antidepresents they wouldn't have sent him off to some top secret military base off world. He would have been a security risk. So it just don't fit.

kaliel
November 21st, 2009, 03:43 AM
I rather hope someone gets fed up with him and shoots him.

I don't know... he seems to be an annoyance in the show, and not of any benefit to the plot.

supremeaaron
November 21st, 2009, 03:48 AM
Cognitive dissonance is a bad thing. This episode was incredibly boring. No plot. The characters were as annoying as ever. Nothing of importance happened. We're not getting anywhere.

This wasn't the episode you wanted to see. Stop lying to yourself. It's wasn't what we want Stargate to be.

The bold part reminds me of Stargate Atlantis past season 2.

MechaThor
November 21st, 2009, 03:52 AM
Although it was not terrible viewing, this epsiode still falls as the worst epsiode yet, however that dose not mean the whole of SGU is bad, its just that in a list of good episodes to bad ones Life sits at the bottom of the list in the bad episode dungeon.

However after last weeks amazing episode and next weeks lead up towards the mid series 2 parter, I can understand the need for this slower paced "budget" episode. I can also understand that a purely character driven story like this one was inevitable, and I can atleast take solace that its now out of the way and done with.

Overall however this episode had its moments, Spencer being a Pr**k seems to be leading somewhere interesting, The Chair/Head Grabber revelation and Telford getting what he deserves at the hands of Young.

However out of all the negative things about this episode, my number one annoyance from Life was the awful, awful music that appeared not only once but THREE times during this episode. Wheres the awesome Mass Effect music gone, instead of this dribble?

a weak 1 out of 5, But still better than "Trio" from Atlantis Series 4.

Atlanis
November 21st, 2009, 03:53 AM
I am so very happy that Young beat the crap out of Telford he deserved a punishment beating!

kaliel
November 21st, 2009, 04:00 AM
The bold part reminds me of Stargate Atlantis past season 2.

I agree. Which is why, though the show may have it's lesser episodes, I'm glad they've moved on to Universe rather than continuing to milk Atlantis for all it's worth.
God knows we don't need another tragedy like SG1.

g.o.d
November 21st, 2009, 04:18 AM
Cognitive dissonance is a bad thing. This episode was incredibly boring. No plot. The characters were as annoying as ever. Nothing of importance happened. We're not getting anywhere.

This wasn't the episode you wanted to see. Stop lying to yourself. It's wasn't what we want Stargate to be.

speak for yourself. This the exactly what I wanted from SGU. I liked this episode more than Air and for me, it's probably the best episode I've seen so far in SGU.

The Mighty 6 platoon
November 21st, 2009, 04:20 AM
Ouch O’Neill’s gonna have a headache sorting this out. He can’t do much to Young as he’s on the other side of the Universe, besides he needs him. On the other hand Telford associating with Young’s wife could be seen as conduct unbecoming of an officer.

Kidwizz
November 21st, 2009, 04:37 AM
I rather hope someone gets fed up with him and shoots him.

I don't know... he seems to be an annoyance in the show, and not of any benefit to the plot.
agreed. and if noone shoots him, rush will somehow kill him.

Yoshi442
November 21st, 2009, 05:02 AM
Well, what should we know about this particular galaxy in general? I mean, we know a great deal about all of the planets the Destiny has been in proximity to so far...but I'm confused as to what we're supposed to know about something as vast and as variable as a galaxy :confused:





We are supposed to know how many explosions and gun battles occur.

Yoshi442
November 21st, 2009, 05:04 AM
Agreed lets leave gay rights arguments out of here please.

If we'ere talking gay rights in general, divorced from the show, I agree. But if in the context of the show, I disagree.




True. BUT here is a question for ya. would YOU concent to allowin someone elses mind to take over YOUR body to go shag another guy (asuming you are not already gay?)??

I would have a problem with anyone using my body for sex. I am married and I would consider that cheating. It would bother me the exact same regardless of what kind of sex I was having.


Being military i fight to allow you to have your views and opinions. BUT i do not agree on the above. YES to me it is more wrong for someone to body swap for gay sex or interracial sex, than it would be for straight. ESPECIALLY since as mentioned above, the ones they seem to swap into are all military and therefore prohibited from it via regulations. Therefore it is worse as it could cause them to be kicked out. FOR NO fault of their own.
That and to me it is morally wrong, unless they happened to 'port' into someone who is already gay themselves.

As others have said, it is unlikely the military would kick someone out for this. It would be like kicking someone out who got raped.



And yet again i disagree. In all the times i have had sex with members of certain ethnicities, i have barely been able to 'hold interest' to go all the way. BUT other than the 2 times i was drunk, i have never had that issue with others. So therefore to ME having sex with the 'ethnicity' is off the table. If someone took over me to have sex with his SO of that ethnicity, i would have more of an issue than if someone took over me to have sex with someone of my own ethnicity.
And it is more pronounced for the gay side of house.



But it's not you. It's the other person using your body. Although I suppose I understand some people being freaked out to find that their body works just fine during gay sex when you consider yourself straight (or vice versa).

satan87
November 21st, 2009, 05:29 AM
i just start to watch the episode !!!

The Mighty 6 platoon
November 21st, 2009, 05:35 AM
Cognitive dissonance is a bad thing. This episode was incredibly boring. No plot. The characters were as annoying as ever. Nothing of importance happened. We're not getting anywhere.

This wasn't the episode you wanted to see. Stop lying to yourself. It's wasn't what we want Stargate to be.

Your arrogance is astounding. Whose we, cause you don’t speak for me or anyone else in fandom, no one placed you in charge or as a mouthpiece, seems that you not only have a problem with SGU but you have a problem with people liking it.

Pharaoh Atem
November 21st, 2009, 05:41 AM
he just needs a hug :P

MattSilver 3k
November 21st, 2009, 05:46 AM
he just needs a hug :P

He needs hair. Those pills he's taking? They're supposed to be growing it back, but he can't... Now with none left, he's stuck with no hair (Oh, and he's on a ship full of people and can't get home). But still - the hair thing is the problem here!

SGFerrit
November 21st, 2009, 05:46 AM
I enjoyed this episode, the Wray stuff especially. It seems it was setting up the finale, in that sense it reminded me of BSG episodes where they wouldn't just push all the information into one big story, and would set it up first.

valerius
November 21st, 2009, 06:03 AM
This show is for 14 year old girls. Angst, fighting, sex is all there is. What I'm really missing is the sci fi in STARgate. It's like the writers just looked for a surefire way to isolate a bunch of (mostly uninteresting) characters from Earth just to have a way to switch them there whenever more DRAMA! requires it. Honestly, if I wanted to see all that personal crap I'd watch a soap opera. We have wasted nearly half a season not caring about the petty little everyday problems of those boring little characters. Let's get adventurin' already.

I think it's time for more Rush action and less marriage drama, painful friendzoning and lesbian heartache. That's not saying these things don't have a place, they just shouldn't be the centerpieces of a sci fi show. SG1 did it perfectly with all the O'Neill/Carter subtext. SGA was even more subtle. Why not emphasize that a little more and be done with it. Personally, I watch science fiction because it can give me something to think about. I don't think it should be mainly watching people in space having the same little problems as me. We have got soap operas and a myriad of reality shows for that.

I do have hope for the show though. That chair is kinda promising. I have no idea what they have planned for it but I can see a mighty fine change in 'direction' ;)

Alder
November 21st, 2009, 06:03 AM
a weak 1 out of 5, But still better than "Trio" from Atlantis Series 4.
Mind you, that's not saying much...;)

Anyway, I was agreeably surprised by the episode, particularly given how much I didn't enjoy the last earth-heavy episode. Let me think...

Liked:
TJ generally. Yes, she seems a bit out of her depth (wrong people yadda yadda) but she's making a valiant attempt to deal with her responsibilities. If I was on the ship, I think I'd prefer to hang out with her than anyone else, so far...
Also the Park/whoever thing worked, I thought, better than the Scott/Chloe thing of earlier. Not supposed to be taken as deep or meaningful.
Rush...what an eejit. On the one hand - actually not a bad idea to give folk something to aim for. However, just making up nonsense out of whole cloth was plain stupid. Something more like "I've found some incomplete information about this planet...it looks like it may have some similar properties to Icarus, perhaps we'll learn some more as we get more information from the database" - just enough to lift people's spirits without setting them up for a fall. In fact, Young might even have gone for that in an effort to improve morale.
More of the ship! Delighted to see some of their work paying off a little, and the discovery of the chair was hopeful.
The little sequence at the beginning of everyday life on the Destiny, I thought that helped to round out our idea of what's been going on as they settle into a routine of sorts.
The little glitch in the stones...not sure what else might come of it, but something, probably.

Disliked:
The stone stuff generally. I think it has potential, but just a bit too much of the episode's time was taken up on Earth. I'd rather see more...unearthly...content. Also - more question marks over the use of other people's bodies. I don't mind some ambiguity in storylines, particularly if it's remembered and used in a later plot - for example, the Scott flashbacks in Air about the pregnant girlfriend left that story dangling, and then Life gave it a conclusion of sorts. However, if we don't know the protocol for the stones, then we don't know what kind of person the writers are trying to make, say, Young. And this episode added to that a little with the "rough up Telford in someone else's body". Yes, he came on Telford unexpectedly and therefore came off the better, but that was someone else's hands he was duffing him up with. (I'm a pianist, so I'd've been livid if I returned to find my hands bruised and cut up.) And Young couldn't know that Telford wouldn't react more quickly and defend himself.
Didn't like the music much. Particularly when it came in after the Young/Telford thing and was a bit "Yay!!!" music, when I was still thinking "that's not your body to muck about with, you jackass..."

valerius
November 21st, 2009, 06:08 AM
Oh, and... you simply can't go wrong with Flogging Molly. Waiting for 'Within a mile from home' (one of their absolutely best songs) to be played in the final episode, with Earth in sight ;)

reddevil18
November 21st, 2009, 06:08 AM
I...kinda liked the episode, but overall, I still can't shake the feeling that TPTB have shot themselves in the foot by overburdening the first half of the season with so much drama, especially set on Earth.
Overall, it felt like a poor copy of "Earth". Some good scenes, but overall, it left me with a "meh" impression, especially after "Time".

I'd give it a 7/10.

satan87
November 21st, 2009, 06:11 AM
i just end to see it, i am not a huge fan of this one
the lie about the 1 one year was not good, it could have set a direction, an objectiv for the entire crew, now they just wait as they always do
the story about scott is more interesting and the story about young and telford it's just great, a big between man throught stones

not my favorite one at all, but some scenes were good

FoolishPleasure
November 21st, 2009, 06:34 AM
The Good:

Hey, they are actually exploring Destiny and found new equipment!

Spencer getting really wound up.

Greer has a GF! See, they were having FUN and it wasn't all "OMG DRAMA" like the Scott/Chloe/Eli triangle of doom.

The Bad:

Everything else.

Scott said he didn't have much of a relationship with "that" girl, so why did he make a special trip to see her? It wasn't because of the boy because he didn't know he had a son (OMG, how cheesy was THAT! *hurls*). The whole, kid with the stripper mom part didn't give me any more background to Scott that I didn't already know. He will sleep with anyone without thinking about the consequences. Total loser. I sooooo miss John Sheppard!

Chloe does a psych eval and talks about Scott and how close they have become but we (the audience) only see Chloe and Eli scenes, so. . .why have the writers done that? I see Chloe and Eli getting close- hey that exercise thingy was filmed to look like they could almost kiss, so why all the DRAMA with Scott when those two are never in scenes together? But Chloe still doesn't do anything and just wastes air time so I hope she gets killed off at some point.

Col. Young has to be THE most immature, unprofessional idjit ever. He hijacks a person's body (that soldier thought a scientist was coming through), then uses that poor soldier to beat the hell out of a colonel, who may have been that guy's commanding officer. Can you imagine the HORROR when that poor soldier sees what "he" has done???!!! What a horrible thing to do to another person just so you can get revenge on a "maybe" love affair? How STUPID is that!?!? Young THINKS Telford is having an affair, but Young himself DID have an affair! These two hate each other - I get it, but how in good conscience can you use someone ELSE to do your dirty work for you? I just wanted to scream at Young, "Let it GO dude and get on with your JOB!" How this guy ever reached colonel status is beyond me.

The Stones. I didn't like them in SG1 and was worried about that concept here. I was right. The show is wrapping itself around them and instead of getting good scifi we are getting "As the Stargate Turns". The issue of jumping into other bodies and having sex (straight or otherwise) is nauseating. Do these other soldiers know what our people have in mind? Why aren't we seeing bodyswapping stories involved talking to other scientists and working to get everyone home? Why does it seem they all want nothing but sex?

I wouldn't mind the lesbian sex if Wray was attached to someone on Destiny. That I could understand, but to use another's body for it? Uh, wrong, so wrong.

The song at the end hurt my ears. Seriously.

YoshiKart64
November 21st, 2009, 06:47 AM
Seriously, although it was out of order, young couldn't feel anymore helpless then he does right now. Stranded further away from his wife than any other man in the history of the human race with his rival constantly around her.
I think that frustration would get to anyone.

FoolishPleasure
November 21st, 2009, 06:50 AM
Seriously, although it was out of order, young couldn't feel anymore helpless then he does right now. Stranded further away from his wife than any other man in the history of the human race with his rival constantly around her.
I think that frustration would get to anyone.

One shows their maturity by facing reality. Young is a commanding officer and in the military your job and your troops are your first priority. Not your "potentially" roving wife.

DCK
November 21st, 2009, 06:58 AM
Semi disappointed. The flashbacks were the reason I never managed to be into Lost. The Earth scenes in SGU are a bit like that. It's too convinent, and not even needed.

Character depth building is great.

Too little mystery, too little space.

Ratings will drop after the great Time.

Arative
November 21st, 2009, 07:02 AM
The Good:

Hey, they are actually exploring Destiny and found new equipment!

Spencer getting really wound up.

Greer has a GF! See, they were having FUN and it wasn't all "OMG DRAMA" like the Scott/Chloe/Eli triangle of doom.

The Bad:

Everything else.

Scott said he didn't have much of a relationship with "that" girl, so why did he make a special trip to see her? It wasn't because of the boy because he didn't know he had a son (OMG, how cheesy was THAT! *hurls*). The whole, kid with the stripper mom part didn't give me any more background to Scott that I didn't already know. He will sleep with anyone without thinking about the consequences. Total loser. I sooooo miss John Sheppard!

That's because she sent him a letter. Maybe you willfully ignored the part where Scott said, eviction notice when opening a letter. Its clear you hate the character Scott so anything you say about the character is tainted with that hatred. This was the girl we learned about in Air 3, this is the girl that he got pregnant, who said she was getting abortion. This is probably the girl that led to the Priest's drinking death and Scott joining the army, though we don't know that for sure. This gave us a lot of background on Scott, if only you would choose to listen for it and not ignore it due to your hatred of the character. At this point, your dislike for the character makes him irredeemable in your eyes, he could save little puppies and kittens from a fire and you'd still find something wrong with him.


Col. Young has to be THE most immature, unprofessional idjit ever. He hijacks a person's body (that soldier thought a scientist was coming through), then uses that poor soldier to beat the hell out of a colonel, who may have been that guy's commanding officer. Can you imagine the HORROR when that poor soldier sees what "he" has done???!!! What a horrible thing to do to another person just so you can get revenge on a "maybe" love affair? How STUPID is that!?!? Young THINKS Telford is having an affair, but Young himself DID have an affair! These two hate each other - I get it, but how in good conscience can you use someone ELSE to do your dirty work for you? I just wanted to scream at Young, "Let it GO dude and get on with your JOB!" How this guy ever reached colonel status is beyond me.

I actually agree with you here, it was pretty stupid but Telford is messing with the guy's wife, so its understandable I guess.


The Stones. I didn't like them in SG1 and was worried about that concept here. I was right. The show is wrapping itself around them and instead of getting good scifi we are getting "As the Stargate Turns". The issue of jumping into other bodies and having sex (straight or otherwise) is nauseating. Do these other soldiers know what our people have in mind? Why aren't we seeing bodyswapping stories involved talking to other scientists and working to get everyone home? Why does it seem they all want nothing but sex?

As you may recall, the last time scientists came, they nearly killed everyone on board and Young took more direct control of who was coming to the ship.


I wouldn't mind the lesbian sex if Wray was attached to someone on Destiny. That I could understand, but to use another's body for it? Uh, wrong, so wrong.

Did we ever see Wray having sex? Wouldn't you think that this show would actually show the two of them having sex if they actually had sex? What I saw was two people who love one another sharing a moments of closeness with some kissing. It never crossed my mind that they actually had sex or attempted to have sex. There is more to relationships than just sex.


The song at the end hurt my ears. Seriously.

Seriously, if ever thing about this show is so distasteful to you, then why do you continue to watch it? I'm just really curious to know. Why subject yourself to it?

jelgate
November 21st, 2009, 07:12 AM
Semi disappointed. The flashbacks were the reason I never managed to be into Lost. The Earth scenes in SGU are a bit like that. It's too convinent, and not even needed.

Character depth building is great.

Too little mystery, too little space.

Ratings will drop after the great Time.

You must tell me how you are able to predict the future.

DCK
November 21st, 2009, 07:17 AM
You must tell me how you are able to predict the future.

Experience.

major davis
November 21st, 2009, 07:19 AM
Still for all we know Camilles host could think girls kissing is the creapiest thing on earth.

Also why aren't they addressing the body swapping limits. At this point General oniell should be like

Nooooo sex or making out in others bodies. Period.

They say they are going to address issues but they never do.

Curtis1955
November 21st, 2009, 07:21 AM
I watch sci fi for the wonder of what could be out there and new discoveries. I do not want to watch a sci fi soap opera. I feel the Stargate story has reached it's bitter end with this one. There are infinite posibilities for this show and all we get is story after story about stones. The previous Stargate shows were stuck in the alternate universe circle. Is there no one writing and directing these shows that has any imagination. All you want to show is who is having sex with whom.

Lord Hurin
November 21st, 2009, 07:23 AM
it's in the urban dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Swex

real word in a slang sense

I love the 6th and final meaning there "see also: backpacker" Hahah, great!

I still think that we can use it for this situation as well. Ok, so Jelgate didn't invent the word, but a new meaning.

jelgate
November 21st, 2009, 07:24 AM
Still for all we know Camilles host could think girls kissing is the creapiest thing on earth.Also why aren't they addressing the body swapping limits. At this point General oniell should be like Nooooo sex or making out in others bodies. Period.They say they are going to address issues but they never do.Patience is a virtue. I agree with the sex but I don't see the big deal if a kiss occurs in someone's body.

Lord Hurin
November 21st, 2009, 07:32 AM
OK, so I watched Time last week and had to wait a week after that cliffhanger ending to catch the rest in Life, only to find this filler? Oooooooooooooor, did I miss an episode? Is anyone else annoyed that they decided to just forget their cliffhanger, and let the audience assume that the team must have quickly gone to the planet, found the creatures, found a way to get enough of them, were able to properly make a serum from the creatures venom without any real lab equipment, and administered it before everyone died. yeah, that wouldn't take up a whole episode and wouldn't be remotely entertaining to watch.................OR did i just miss the conclusion?

No, the conclusion was that they'd find the Kino messages from the previous teams, go to the planet during the day, get one of the bugs while they're sleeping and use it to help everyone aboard the ship. Scott explained it all to them (and us) at the end. Did you really want them to show them doing it? Without the bugs screaming down and attacking them, it would've been kinda boring.


Great he came from behind what Figth?? It was a sneaky Attack from a Coward.

5 Min Scif
40 Min Human Social Crap
prisecless

What about dooming everyone aboard the ship and then running out in "Earth"? Telford did that, is he a coward for it? Is he an asshat for lying to Young's wife and trying to break up the marriage? No doubt he would be the "shoulder to cry on" guy and try to get some once he succeeded.

BTW, this show is about flawed, human characters in a Sci-Fi background. If you don't like the idea of that, you won't like the show.

major davis
November 21st, 2009, 07:37 AM
Oh come on. Were not supposed to be serving the show. It should be trying to entertain us, not teach us life lessons. :p

Also I was thinking a swap of sexes. And I don't think I would want some dude from the destiny to use my body and stick my tounge in some other dudes mouth. And I think that's a mutual feeling between all heterosexual guys? Right?

jelgate
November 21st, 2009, 07:44 AM
Oh come on. Were not supposed to be serving the show. It should be trying to entertain us, not teach us life lessons. :p Also I was thinking a swap of sexes. And I don't think I would want some dude from the destiny to use my body and stick my tounge in some other dudes mouth. And I think that's a mutual feeling between all heterosexual guys? Right?People do it all the time in acting. I really do not see the big deal.

aretood2
November 21st, 2009, 07:46 AM
Oh come on. Were not supposed to be serving the show. It should be trying to entertain us, not teach us life lessons. :p

Also I was thinking a swap of sexes. And I don't think I would want some dude from the destiny to use my body and stick my tounge in some other dudes mouth. And I think that's a mutual feeling between all heterosexual guys? Right?
But this is the point of Sci fi!
*hides from the "this aint sci fi" crowd*

valerius
November 21st, 2009, 07:46 AM
Still for all we know Camilles host could think girls kissing is the creapiest thing on earth.

Also why aren't they addressing the body swapping limits. At this point General oniell should be like

Nooooo sex or making out in others bodies. Period.

They say they are going to address issues but they never do. Why would they? It's their 'thing'. IMHO it's a very convoluted, forced way to be edgy. I mean, homosexual sex? Done to death in other series. Cheating? Done to death in other series. Recreational, meaningless sex? Done to death in this series. Where can you go if your intended target audience is obviously 14 years old? Those kids are hardened to a point where even I as a 30 year old man am impressed. So this is the only 'sexy' thing they have going. And since SG won't ever move to HBO we know they can't get into seriously kinky stuff so prepare for it to stay.

I think we shouldn't honor it with discussing it. Don't get me wrong, I like sex and seeing skin (Chloe :heart:) as much as the next guy, but I watch Stargate as a sci fi show. Sure, sex is an integral part of life. But come on, when the heroes are half way on the other side of the universe, are there really no other stories to tell? Right now it's in afternoon soap territory. But as I said before: I have hope. There is potential and mysteriously dwindling ratings will force TPTB to rethink.

Arative
November 21st, 2009, 07:47 AM
Oh come on. Were not supposed to be serving the show. It should be trying to entertain us, not teach us life lessons. :p

Also I was thinking a swap of sexes. And I don't think I would want some dude from the destiny to use my body and stick my tounge in some other dudes mouth. And I think that's a mutual feeling between all heterosexual guys? Right?

But the question is, would you know it was happening? And if you didn't know it, would it be OK? This is the interesting moral dilemma the stones have created.

The fact that Scott had memories of dining with Young's wife would seem to indicate the there is memory transference. Therefore, memory of what happens in your body would seep through. That would mean that without consent, you shouldn't be free to do what you want in someone else's body. This has not yet been addressed in the show but I certainly hope that it is.

I don't think that I would give consent for someone to have sex in body, but holding, kissing, I think I would be OK with, regardless of gender.

Deevil
November 21st, 2009, 07:48 AM
Oh come on. Were not supposed to be serving the show. It should be trying to entertain us, not teach us life lessons. :p

The show is entertaining some of us, some of us it isn't. Not everyone is gonna be entertained by the same thing :).


Also I was thinking a swap of sexes. And I don't think I would want some dude from the destiny to use my body and stick my tounge in some other dudes mouth. And I think that's a mutual feeling between all heterosexual guys? Right?

I don't think you could ever pretend that is a universal feeling, afterall there have been a lot of straight guys and gals playing gay and it doesn't bother them too much. Conversly, there have been gay guys and gals playing straight too - and they manage.

Briangate78
November 21st, 2009, 07:52 AM
The negativity for this show truly saddens me. :( I think even though this might of been the weakest or least favorite ep, it still had some scenes that were good and important.

kirmit
November 21st, 2009, 07:54 AM
I went into this ep expecting the worst and found myself pleasantly surprised. I had feared the character driven part of the story would be too dominant but it had the right amount of screen time as the rest of the story imo. Lt Scott is a character I've found myself slowly disliking since the the premiere, this episode redeemed him a little, though he still has a long ways to go.

jelgate
November 21st, 2009, 07:55 AM
The negativity for this show truly saddens me. :( I think even though this might of been the weakest or least favorite ep, it still had some scenes that were good and important.

So business as usual?

Kaeb
November 21st, 2009, 07:56 AM
I believe he'll volunteer himself to Rush to sit in the chair.

Naonak
November 21st, 2009, 07:56 AM
Scott said he didn't have much of a relationship with "that" girl, so why did he make a special trip to see her?
He was handed some mail back at Homeworld, one of which was from her, saying she needed to see him.


What a horrible thing to do to another person just so you can get revenge on a "maybe" love affair? How STUPID is that!?!? Young THINKS Telford is having an affair, but Young himself DID have an affair!
I think by that point it was more that Telford told Emily that Young was still having an affair.

eonflux
November 21st, 2009, 08:27 AM
Everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion. But After reading this thread im a bit astounded at some reactions of using the bodies to have a gay meeting.

The whole fact that young and his wife had sex just makes me sick to the stomach but most didn't have a problem with this. When it came to a lesbian fling it was diffrent strange... We the viewer see the face of the actor on Destiny but remember the person on earth does not. So how it gets from talking and having dinner to having sex is beyond me.

Clem
November 21st, 2009, 08:33 AM
I really enjoyed "Life".

I know there's a sci-fi contingent out there thinking "Why aren't we running around shooting at aliens anymore! If i wanted interpersonal relationships i'd go outside" (:)), but after 15 seasons of generic gate-travel, learning nothing much about the people we're watching, i'm thrilled to get inside the heads of these poor travellers. As much as i love them, i never had a clue what was going through the minds of Cam Mitchell or John Sheppard. Character beats were always the first to hit the cutting room floor and that is a damn shame. Anytime i got to see them playing golf, hanging out with old buddies, fixing up cars or visiting their family home, i was downright giddy.

Anyhoo, some things i liked about the episode...

- Rush. I love the conflicted nature of this character. He's desperate to tinker with Ancient tech, but he's not willing to risk his life to do it. Also, he's not above lying to raise moral and achieve those goals. Ultimately i think he has nothing but good intentions, he just has an unfortunately sly way of going about things. I don't blame him for lying about the Naquadriah planet, as the crew desperately needed that extra spring in their step, the only downside being their finding out left them baying for his blood.

- Scott. He's in the worst possible situation a parent could ever find themselves in. Not only is his fatherhood brand new information at this late stage, but his son is living with a pro-stripping mother who neglects him. That's a nightmare i wouldn't wish on anyone. Dynamite reason for getting back to Earth if ever i heard one.

- TJ. She has the distinct honour of judging everyone aboard and is subsequently disowned because of it. Putting the label "therapist" on someone is like stamping "avoid at all costs" on their forehead. It's a logical step, but everyone is so stubborn they'll just bottle up their emotions until they explode ala Spencer. Also, if last week was anything to go by, TJ probably isn't strong enough to handle this herself. Not only is she responsible for maintaining their bodies, but now their minds. How long til she snaps...

- Hot horny female scientist boning her way through the crew. Man, i wish i was on that ship.

- Spencer. He's finally run out of meds and he's looking to pick a fight with anyone. Someone is going to end up dead, whether it's him or the target of his undeserved rage. For awhile there, i thought that one scientist was going to get beaten to a pulp, but thankfully Young made the save in the nick of time.

- The Ancient chair. I was rather surprised that it wasn't infact the bridge of the ship and some sort of control chair ala Atlantis, but i got a big kick out of all the SG1 callbacks. It can't be long before someone works up the courage to stick their head in that device. I have a feeling it'll be Rush that takes the chance, despite his initial cowardice. A few more technological deadends, arguments with Young and he'll be just about desperate enough to risk it in aid of advancing his research.

Ed
November 21st, 2009, 08:47 AM
Who says those are meds could be an adiction

FireCat
November 21st, 2009, 08:48 AM
Questions for TPTB:

Do the soldier volunteers (whatever they are called) who swap bodies know that their bodies could be used for sex (gay or otherwise), drinking, drugs, beating up superior officers?

What if someone hijacks their body (Young for example) and instead of doing scientific research as a scientist, that person uses them to commit assault on a fellow officer? Can the "volunteer" sue Homeland (or SGC, or whatever you are calling HQ these days)? I know I wouldn't be very happy about it!

Can we flush the stones now? If I see more of them, I'm off this show. I want to see our group start to get along, trust each other, and learn to exist on their own. There is plenty of potential to get into backstories and learn about these characters without placing them in gawd awful soap situations.

At least Greer and Park had fun. That is the sort of sex scene I don't mind viewing, but I'm sick of the drama-ridden, angsty Scott/Chloe garbage. Those two suck.

I'll watch the next episode before the break, but if it isn't a MAJOR improvement over this drivel, then I'm not coming back. I've had about enough. As for the ending song, that was way too twangy and irritating for me. No more songs - I hate that in "House" and other shows that think its so artsy. It slows everything down and takes away from the overall effect. Just tell the story, and tell it WELL.

Skydiver
November 21st, 2009, 08:48 AM
Yup it sure did. I am hoping this is going to be the case here, although I don't expect it to be like Bab5 because JMS had a whole 5 year structure set up in his little bible... I guarantee these guys don't.

BUT, that doesn't mean they don't know where they are going, just that it isn't as maticulously planned.

i doubtso too. JMS literally sat down before the show started and had it all planned to last 5 years. In fact,t hat's how he sold it, a 5 year arc of a show.

these guys....i think they've said as much that they pretty much make it up a season at a time and 'have some ideas for season two' there's no long range plan from any info i've seen


I disagree. I understand the moral implications however this may be the only way they get to spend any time with their loved ones there only or last chance at intimacy. I don't have an issue with it.

There is another side to the stones. The people on earth that volunteer...they get to see and 'be' on this cool alien ship, learn stuff, bring back info, and it's RELATIVELY painless and harmless...they get to explore a galaxy away and go home and sleep in thier own bed at night

you can't tell me that that isn't tempting motivation. 'surrender' your body for a few hours in exchange for exploring and experiencing an alien ship while keeping the comforts of home

and it's not lilke the earth bound 'stoners' are doing it against their will. they're all volunteers. they know what they're getting into. they're far from helpless victims

Angel1964
November 21st, 2009, 08:50 AM
Loved it; loved the acting, and story lines and most of all see Young punch Telford!

FireCat
November 21st, 2009, 09:03 AM
. . and it's not lilke the earth bound 'stoners' are doing it against their will. they're all volunteers. they know what they're getting into. they're far from helpless victims

But we don't know that. TPTB have never shown us the other side of the coin. Are these people volunteers, or are they following orders? What about Young pretending to be a scientist? The volunteer thinks a scientist is using his body to research something, but it is someone else who just wants to use his body to beat up someone he detests? Is this fair?

The stone connection broke suddenly and that poor soldier is now standing over a Colonel who he just beat up! What if Telford decided to fight back and beat this poor dude to a bloody pulp?

Its wrong, just wrong and TPTB need to show us the Earth side of this and what the guidelines are, and there should be repercussions, like Young not being allowed to use the stones again because he can't be trusted.

The_Asgard_live
November 21st, 2009, 09:04 AM
Lets see...

More conduct unbecoming from the military.
More crying.
Can't believe (yes I can) we had mini-therapy sessions.
More random sex with multiple partners.
More romancing the stones.
Almost/possibly nothing of Sci-fi value for me.

The writers have hit some new lows for me in this episode.

Scott's ex is a wannabe lawyer, now turned stripper single mom who had his baby but didn't tell him. REALLY? Get out. Well, at least they didn't say she was working her way through law school as a stripper. Because THAT would be over the top.

Something else interesting...

The military treated like (I'll be diplomatic and use the chronically pro-SGU lingo) 'flawed human beings'. The heterosexual relationships portrayed as neurotic, shallow, and/or dysfunctional. Religion, the Priest was a drunk and drank himself to death. And to be diplomatic again, Scott doesn't exactly reflect well on religion either.

But then there is the lesbian relationship. Apparently the only successful, long-term, committed, loving and tender relationship on the show. :rolleyes:

Good job writers. I was hoping there would be moral messages like that.



I don't think you could ever pretend that is a universal feeling, afterall there have been a lot of straight guys and gals playing gay and it doesn't bother them too much. Conversly, there have been gay guys and gals playing straight too - and they manage.

Managing and 'not minding' are 2 different things. If you are a guy that can make out with other guys and not mind, you are probably into it.

Actors get big pay days to 'manage' doing all sorts of things they find objectionable. I'd list some, but I know someone is just waiting to pounce and say I'm comparing 'blah' to homosexuality. For shame on me. So I think I'll forgo that.

I think the body swap sex, aside from being stupid (I guess every spouse just has no problem making out/sexing with strangers). But yes, it would be more of a violation/trauma to have residual memories of engaging in homosexuality if you are not than something heterosexual.

I think if they are going to continue romancing the stones, the writers should have Young's wife tell him that Telford carries a bigger gun, crush his uppitiness, put him in the fetal position. Would make me laugh anyway.

Jper
November 21st, 2009, 09:05 AM
There is another side to the stones. The people on earth that volunteer...they get to see and 'be' on this cool alien ship, learn stuff, bring back info, and it's RELATIVELY painless and harmless...they get to explore a galaxy away and go home and sleep in thier own bed at night

you can't tell me that that isn't tempting motivation. 'surrender' your body for a few hours in exchange for exploring and experiencing an alien ship while keeping the comforts of home

and it's not lilke the earth bound 'stoners' are doing it against their will. they're all volunteers. they know what they're getting into. they're far from helpless victims

It used to be, but I don't think the switchers can freely roam around the Destiny anymore after the incidents in "Earth". Seems to me as if the switchers are now confined to the communication room on the Destiny while they are there.