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GateWorld
November 9th, 2009, 04:04 PM
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Henry and the team seek answers when a formerly docile abnormal goes on a rampage, attacking one of their colleagues and laying spores in her body.

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Skydiver
November 13th, 2009, 06:58 PM
yes, that was peter deluise's wife (who was in the other side and another eps) and major davis

a nice stand alone episode and back to helping/working with the abbies

i did have the 'the husband did it' part pegged, but it was a good episode.

Pharaoh Atem
November 13th, 2009, 07:00 PM
my first Sanctuary ep and I LOVED IT.

Pandora's_Box
November 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
I knew the husband did it from the moment they identified the love triangle.

But really? If his ultimate plan was to kill Henry, he couldn't find a less convoluted way to do it?

Replicator Todd
November 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
My favorite Sanctuary episode so far!(haven't seen Season 1) Felt like an episode of SG1! This series is quite amazing. Loved seeing Colin Cunnigham.

Mack_1
November 13th, 2009, 07:10 PM
I can’t believe I’m crying!!... again!!

Henry!!!

That last scene was so heartbreaking.

Helen's face after Henry's broken voice when he say "Thanks for saving her" was pure pain and anguish and maybe she remember her own loss; Ashley

I knew the husband did it what I didn't got was who? he was trying to harm.

need to see it again

badwolfSG
November 13th, 2009, 07:11 PM
I knew the husband did it from the moment they identified the love triangle.

But really? If his ultimate plan was to kill Henry, he couldn't find a less convoluted way to do it?

Ya I pretty much figure out that too!


In the knife fight why is it Henry pretty much just standing there? Friend or not someone coming after me with a knife I'm backing up.

EvenstarSRV
November 13th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Nice standalone ep, and it was nice to see some of Henry's relationships outside of the Sanctuary, though the love triangle was a bit over the top for me.

But it was nice to see a crime-solving/medical problem story, and Will and Kate working the virtual crime scene was pretty cool.

It seemed like Gerald was trying to kill two birds with one stone, poisoning the creature would kill Henry while also proving to his wife that it was innately deadly and could not be domesticated.

I thought the last scene with Henry and Helen was also really nice, esp Helen's line about not letting who he is keeping him from getting close to people, since I imagine that's something she had to learn as well.

Pandora's_Box
November 13th, 2009, 07:31 PM
In the knife fight why is it Henry pretty much just standing there? Friend or not someone coming after me with a knife I'm backing up.

No freaking kidding. Or at the very least, grabbing something with which to defend myself.



It seemed like Gerald was trying to kill two birds with one stone, poisoning the creature would kill Henry while also proving to his wife that it was innately deadly and could not be domesticated.


And this is where the logic of this episode fails for me. They establish that this creature releases toxic spurs which are apparently always fatal seeing as there's no cure and no way to get them out unless you get to the victim super fast.

The husband, despite being homicidal, does not seem to hate his wife, but rather Henry. He has adopted the view that many people in his situation do; it's not her fault, it's Henry's fault for making her love him. But he knows that his wife handles this creature and is with this creature a lot. He apparently loves his wife and yet he poisons the creature with a very high chance of his wife being it's victim instead of Henry?

I can't buy that. He's smarter than that...or at least he should be. He should have at least been smart enough to think up a way that wouldn't endanger his wife in a more controlled setting.

EvenstarSRV
November 13th, 2009, 07:37 PM
And this is where the logic of this episode fails for me. They establish that this creature releases toxic spurs which are apparently always fatal seeing as there's no cure and no way to get them out unless you get to the victim super fast.

The husband, despite being homicidal, does not seem to hate his wife, but rather Henry. He has adopted the view that many people in his situation do; it's not her fault, it's Henry's fault for making her love him. But he knows that his wife handles this creature and is with this creature a lot. He apparently loves his wife and yet he poisons the creature with a very high chance of his wife being it's victim instead of Henry?

I can't buy that. He's smarter than that...or at least he should be. He should have at least been smart enough to think up a way that wouldn't endanger his wife in a more controlled setting.

I think he was trying to time things so that the creature wouldn't go berserk until Henry took over for his wife. I don't think she was suppose to go to the lab that day, she unexpectedly stopped by before going to the airport, which messed up his plan.

It was a high-risk plan, but with the way he was acting it seemed like his emotions kept him from really thinking it through. He became so fixated on killing Henry he failed to realize just how dangerous it was for his wife.

Mack_1
November 13th, 2009, 07:47 PM
But really? If his ultimate plan was to kill Henry, he couldn't find a less convoluted way to do it?


The husband, despite being homicidal, does not seem to hate his wife, but rather Henry....He apparently loves his wife and yet he poisons the creature with a very high chance of his wife being it's victim instead of Henry?

I can't buy that. He's smarter than that...or at least he should be. He should have at least been smart enough to think up a way that wouldn't endanger his wife in a more controlled setting.
Rachel, wasn’t supposed to be there at all; she went by the lab to feed “Jack” (SG-1 moment:jack:) because Henry couldn’t be there; Henry was the one that would have had first contact with the unstable abnormal and would have been attacked; Rachel was suppose to be at the airport meeting her husband.

Rocky89
November 13th, 2009, 07:48 PM
I thought it was really good. :) My only problem was there wasn't enough Helen though. But other than that it was really good. :)

I thought Ryan Robbins did a really good job in this episode, and I really hope he wins and award for his performance in the episode. I thought it was really well acted it, and it was cool seeing Colin Cunningham on the show, I didn't know he'd be on that was a bonus. :) This show always has me entertained, no matter what the episode is. :)

I hope all you Henry fans out there get a kicked out of it and I'm glad these reviews seem positive so far. Here and on Syfy.com. ;)

The Prof
November 13th, 2009, 07:55 PM
Am I the only one? Really? IT looked like a freaking UNAS!!!!!

AresLover452
November 13th, 2009, 07:58 PM
i loved this eppy.... AWESOME!!!! Henry half wolfed out.... TOTALLY AMAZING.... lol! i liked his earsnad I loved the green of his wolf eyes... Great!!

suse
November 13th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Okay, I know i watch READ(!!) too much Harry Potter, but when they put Biggie's medicine pouch in Rachel's mouth did anyone else think of a bezoar?

suse

AresLover452
November 13th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Okay, I know i watch too much Harry Potter, but when they put Biggie's medicine pouch in Rachel's mouth did anyone else think of a bezoar?

suse

Nope, sry. i actually didn't. But now that you mention it... lol!! That would make one think of it. hehe!!

ann_sgcfan
November 13th, 2009, 08:30 PM
I thought it was a good stand alone eppy! :D We got to see a little more of Henry... although poor guy. Everyone played a part in the eppy ... they all worked well together to solve the crime! :D

suse
November 13th, 2009, 08:36 PM
I thought it was a good stand alone eppy! :D We got to see a little more of Henry... although poor guy. Everyone played a part in the eppy ... they all worked well together to solve the crime! :D

I liked them working togather too. Always nice to see Henry as more than a smart alek.

suse

AresLover452
November 13th, 2009, 08:39 PM
I liked them working togather too. Always nice to see Henry as more than a smart alek.

suse


plus him being a bit of a techno god in this eppy was kewl. But his dry humor was what made it all the more enjoyable... lol!!

Amalthea
November 13th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Ok, so that was a great episode.

I had a feeling all along that the husband did it somehow, but I was hoping they weren't going to make "Major Davis" the bad guy. I wonder how he will be punished? Attempted murder, I suppose, but given the givens, I don't know how they can take him to court.

Henry broke my heart. Poor guy. I guess life is complicated when you're a changeling/werewolf thing.

What was in BigFoot's pouch? Ancient Bigfoot medicine?

I liked seeing Will being Detective Will again. That's where he shines. I would have liked for them to do that zooming thing he does, but that's ok. Kate helping was good. She was the "in the box" and he was the "outside the box."

Last, I thought Helen looked so beautiful at the end of the episode. It was the lighting and her hair I think. She just looked very graceful. I also noticed the picture of Ashley over her shoulder.

Alan Wake
November 13th, 2009, 08:45 PM
This episode makes me want to watch this show. This is one incredible episode... and this is coming from a non fan.

AresLover452
November 13th, 2009, 08:50 PM
dude you will love it. Highly recommend you start watching.


This eppy was really really good... lol1!! i loved how they did a rendering of the crime scene. Kate actually impressed me in this episde as she helped to solve the attack

badwolfSG
November 13th, 2009, 08:54 PM
This episode makes me want to watch this show. This is one incredible episode... and this is coming from a non fan.

AH, truth me! The episode just keep getting better and better!

AresLover452
November 13th, 2009, 08:57 PM
I thought it was kinda sad that Henry was watching the recording of Rachel, and he was joking while trying to record her... lol!! that was sad and funny at the same time.

badwolfSG
November 13th, 2009, 09:01 PM
I thought it was kinda sad that Henry was watching the recording of Rachel, and he was joking while trying to record her... lol!! that was sad and funny at the same time.

This was my favorite part of this episode... it's was sad but good. Showing everyone how much Henry cared for Rachel...

AresLover452
November 13th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Yeah that was a really good eppy.


Plus Helen in Scrubs, nice to see she was out of her habitual black. i know she wears teal, and maroon sometimes, but her wardrobe is mostly black.

EvenstarSRV
November 13th, 2009, 09:39 PM
Okay, I know i watch READ(!!) too much Harry Potter, but when they put Biggie's medicine pouch in Rachel's mouth did anyone else think of a bezoar?


LOL! I didn't at the time, but now that you mention it...:P

Though I wonder why Helen and Bigfoot were so worried about using his medicine, since it worked and didn't seem to have any side effects.

majorsal
November 13th, 2009, 10:12 PM
again, going from a WOW ep to something more subdued... it's hard to give the subdued a fair rating. :p

i enjoyed the ep. nice performances all around. not enough helen :p, but what i saw of her was good. :)

i'll talk more tomorrow about it.

:)

AnnieS
November 13th, 2009, 11:23 PM
Loved the episode. Another Henry Huggin episode. Was not happy with Gerald (aka Colin Cunnigjham) didn't like him hurting Henry just to make him Wolf-out!!!

AresLover452
November 13th, 2009, 11:32 PM
I was glad we got to see Doc Helen for a while, though at the end we did see sad Helen again for a minute.

kes
November 14th, 2009, 05:31 AM
Didnt like the creature. It did look a bit like Unas :S
But I liked the ep, liked Henry a lot.
It just feels like this season doesnt gel as well as S1...

However I do feel Magnus and Will's relashionship (I dont mean romance). Its like they understand eachother.

Gem of Tigress
November 14th, 2009, 06:57 AM
Wow, what a great eppy! i really liked this one. :D:D

doylefan22
November 14th, 2009, 08:43 AM
Oh, I loved this episode. After 4 high drama epic type ones out of 5, it's nice to have something more 'normal' again and look at an everyday case.

I think it was fairly obviously to all that Gerald had done something but it was played out well. Whoever was playing Jack did a fabulous job of emoting under all that latex; I really felt for the guy in the end.

And Henry. Oh, lovely Henry. He's so adorable and vulnerable and a smart arse....Any time we get to see more of him is a bonus.

It was good to see Magnus working as a doctor once more and I loved the Big Guy's involvement. Similarly, I like how they did all the crime scene stuff (very clever) and the use of Will's skills. It's good how they've integrated Kate but kept her hard mercenary edge.

Was it one of those 'wow omg!' episodes? No, but I felt it was so much better for it.

DigiFluid
November 14th, 2009, 10:20 AM
Well that was....terrible.

Colin Cunningham was great, but that was about it.

Gate Ranger
November 14th, 2009, 10:52 AM
Hi. *waves* I'm new to Sanctuary but liking it a lot. :D Loved this eppy, very good.

JanSam
November 14th, 2009, 10:53 AM
Good episode, but I didn't quite understand why if Gerald wanted to kill Henry why he pushed so hard to have him change into the wolf. Was it because he wanted Henry as the wolf to kill him? If so then why didn't he just give Helen a reason to shoot him. Any thoughts?

Gate Ranger
November 14th, 2009, 10:58 AM
Gerald wanted Henry to kill him not Helen so Henry would have to live with the guilt. Just my thought.

RiaDejaVu
November 14th, 2009, 12:39 PM
Wow, I thought this episode was a complete yawner - I almost didn't make it to the end! The guest actors left a lot to be desired..........
Too bad Henry was sandwiched in here - yes he deserves some backstory but this just didn't do it for me at all.
I'm hoping next week is much much better.
Glad some of you really liked it though - my thoughts are just my opinion obviously!

Total thumbs down 1/10 at best..........:rolleyes:

AtlantisRules!!!
November 14th, 2009, 12:55 PM
It wasn't the best ep.. but not the worst. I knew the ending 15 minutes in *facepalm*

Amalthea
November 14th, 2009, 01:03 PM
Good episode, but I didn't quite understand why if Gerald wanted to kill Henry why he pushed so hard to have him change into the wolf. Was it because he wanted Henry as the wolf to kill him? If so then why didn't he just give Helen a reason to shoot him. Any thoughts?

I think he wanted Henry to feel even worse about turning into the wolf more than he already does. Human Henry would never take a life, but wolf Henry would. Basically, he was playing another mind game.

parsifal
November 14th, 2009, 02:11 PM
So what do they do with Gerald? They can't hand him over to the police, but he tried to kill two people.

JanSam
November 14th, 2009, 02:50 PM
So what do they do with Gerald? They can't hand him over to the police, but he tried to kill two people.

Ah but Helen could turn him over to the police......with her own spin on how it happened. After all she does seem to have friends in high places. :P

Mandysg1
November 14th, 2009, 03:07 PM
I thought this episode was pretty good, we got to an old fashioned who-done-it, with an abnormal twist ;). It was good to see a story about Henry, and his being a werewolf affects what would the normal part of his life; actually having someone to love. I also liked seeing Helen being Dr. Helen Magnus :) and we also learned that Biggie is more than just a butler :eek: ;)

It was a nice insight into the characters, and the way they used Kate, she didn't bother me as much ;)

As for why Gerald tried to get Henry to go all wolfy...I do think he wanted Henry to kill him as the werewolf, so he would have to live with the guilt. Using the abnormal as a weapon was like using a canon to kill a person...you never know how many will be collateral damage.

majorsal
November 14th, 2009, 03:26 PM
why didn't henry tell that blond woman at the end that he'd be with her? she confessed that she loved him, he basically told her the same, so why not? it's not like blond woman can still be with her hubby, seeing as he's rather psycho now. :p

but i wanted to tell henry, why not!? :p

bossluna
November 14th, 2009, 05:42 PM
why didn't henry tell that blond woman at the end that he'd be with her? she confessed that she loved him, he basically told her the same, so why not? it's not like blond woman can still be with her hubby, seeing as he's rather psycho now. :p

but i wanted to tell henry, why not!? :p

I bet he's thinking about it now after that talk with Helen about not being afraid to get close to people because of who you are....:D

I looove Henry...sigh.

Less
November 14th, 2009, 06:21 PM
Really enjoyed this episode, and for me, enjoyment is what I'm looking for in my Friday night viewing.

Happy to see Major Davis, knew he was the bad guy as soon as he was introduced. The Jack abnormal guy was a truly horrible rubber suit. So...the plot was predictable and the visual effects were less than movie quality.

But the story was interesting, writing was good, the acting was great, the characters are folks I've come to care about via prior good writing and acting.

If you've got a good story, well told - the scenery is less important. Stage plays don't have the best effects, Star Trek had crap effects. I'm all about an engaging show, with decent scenery, costumes, and effects.

This is why Sanctuary is enjoyable, and so far SGU is not so much. SGU seems the reverse - great effects and CGI and stuff prioritized over kind of lame story, writing, and characters.

This week's Sanctuary was pretty good all around. I enjoyed it, will watch it again, and look forward to next week. So...I think the producers met their goals!

suse
November 14th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Good episode, but I didn't quite understand why if Gerald wanted to kill Henry why he pushed so hard to have him change into the wolf. Was it because he wanted Henry as the wolf to kill him? If so then why didn't he just give Helen a reason to shoot him. Any thoughts?

I agree. Gerald wanted Henr to feel guilty. Remember, he thought Henry was having an affair with Rachel. I think he thought Rachel was at least partially attracted to Henry because of his abnormality.

I'm wondering if he also doesn't think Henry is human in any form.

:eek: Jealous much?

suse

RealmOfX
November 14th, 2009, 08:44 PM
I thought that this was a very good episode, not great but good. Nice to see a few old faces and very good performances by them.

The Kate issue : I'm still fence sitting on the character, she only irritated me a little so that's a plus (I wasn't actively out looking for a bus to shove her under like InvisiGirl ;) )

But may I take a moment to say this :
I WANTZ Henry's toys!! Seriously loving his steam punk tools this season :D

NurseFG
November 14th, 2009, 09:52 PM
Just finished watching this episode i loved it, a really good episode for Henry

1) It looked like an unas lol
2) Kate is annoying me more and more, she has to go

Eternal Density
November 15th, 2009, 05:06 AM
My least favourite ep so far. I liked the crime scene reconstruction stuff (including Kate), and that was all. The rest of it was rather 'meh' for me. Since when was Sanctuary about love triangles involving people we've never heard of before.
Jack is a stupid name for a creature. Especially such an ugly one.
I'd rather watch Warriors with it's icky scarabs and freaky fights again than this, at least Warriors had a good happy ending. This just had me going "I don't really care what Henry does or doesn't feel for some lady I've never seen before."

Wow, I never thought I'd post something like that about Sanctuary. Maybe the fact that I watched it while rather tired and watched with friends rather than alone had something to do with it. I dunno.

siles
November 15th, 2009, 05:08 AM
The abnormal looked lame - like a Halloween costume.

JanSam
November 15th, 2009, 06:08 AM
This just had me going "I don't really care what Henry does or doesn't feel for some lady I've never seen before."


I didn't see this episode to be about his feelings for the lady; it was more about how Henry was coming to accept the wolf inside him. The last scene with Helen and Henry was very telling, "Don't be afraid to get close to people because of who you are".

Skydiver
November 15th, 2009, 07:13 AM
henry is probably convinced that he's 'doomed' to be alone, because he's a monster. and helen - and the episode - showed that the monsters weren't just abnormals, the humans are just as monstrous as the abbys.

especially, in this case, it was the abnomal that was acting with honor (so, henry WAS kinda stickig his nose in rachel's marriage, but ithad good intentions), and it was the human that was so wracked with jealousy that he harmed and attempted to harm various abbys to get his way

jckfan55
November 15th, 2009, 08:19 AM
I thought this was a pretty good episode. We had a bit of a mystery to solve, Doc Magnus refusing to give up on a cure, Henry, and a fairly interesting abnormal. They never really explained the spores, but who cares? Not me.

Kate was minimal and as RoX said so eloquently "she only irritated me a little so that's a plus (I wasn't actively out looking for a bus to shove her under like InvisiGirl"

Kind of a "teamy" episode despite it being a Henry story--which is good.

Colin Cunningham (Maj. Davis ;) ) makes good villain.

Negative: Since when is Bigfoot a medical assistant? I guess now that ashley's gone... :(
Well, at least it's not Kate.

Amalthea
November 15th, 2009, 09:55 AM
I thought this was a pretty good episode. We had a bit of a mystery to solve, Doc Magnus refusing to give up on a cure, Henry, and a fairly interesting abnormal. They never really explained the spores, but who cares? Not me.

Kate was minimal and as RoX said so eloquently "she only irritated me a little so that's a plus (I wasn't actively out looking for a bus to shove her under like InvisiGirl"

Colin Cunningham (Maj. Davis ;) ) makes good villain.

Negative: Since when is Bigfoot a medical assistant? I guess now that ashley's gone... :(
Well, at least it's not Kate.

I've always felt that Bigfloot's been a Jack of All Trades, really. He rarely leaves Helen's side, so he would know a lot of what she knows by now in addition to his people's traditional medicine and knowledge.

Keaira Taegan
November 15th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Just finished watching this episode i loved it, a really good episode for Henry

1) It looked like an unas lol
2) Kate is annoying me more and more, she has to go

thank you so much for saying that the creature jack looked like an unas! ive been trying to place since friday what i thought he looked like and i was unable to think of it until now! hahaha. i also agree that Kate is annoying, she has this attitude of "im better than everybody" thats just ugh. i want Ashley back :(

Tiger
November 15th, 2009, 06:49 PM
I love Sanctuary. But they are BUTCHERING it left and right. I'm actually going back to season 1 and just watching those eps cuz that's when it rocked.

This episode was so cheesy I was finding it hilarious. I love Major Davis, but her can not do emotions. I didn't buy a moment of his acting for one second.

The whole 'love triangle' was just so outta the blue that we had absolutely no back story to buy this horrific even off of.
From the very beginning of disclosing that Henry is an abnormal he's been more of; he just can't love himself, so he won't let her. If they had done that, having him tell Magnus or Magnus bringing it up. Okay I might have been able to buy some of it.

And of course, I knew the ending from the beginning. So c'mon writers. It was just ridiculous all around.
I give this episode a 2 out of 5. Just because it was so ludicrous I found it funny.

suse
November 15th, 2009, 07:25 PM
I thought this was a pretty good episode. We had a bit of a mystery to solve, Doc Magnus refusing to give up on a cure, Henry, and a fairly interesting abnormal. They never really explained the spores, but who cares? Not me.

Kate was minimal and as RoX said so eloquently "she only irritated me a little so that's a plus (I wasn't actively out looking for a bus to shove her under like InvisiGirl"


Kind of a "teamy" episode despite it being a Henry story--which is good.

Colin Cunningham (Maj. Davis ;) ) makes good villain.

Negative: Since when is Bigfoot a medical assistant? I guess now that ashley's gone... :(
Well, at least it's not Kate.

Since when was Ashley a medical assistant? :confused: Or even show the *slightest* interest in being one?
I recognize that Biggie wasn't either, the most he ever did iirc was bring Helen tea while she was working.


Amalthea said:
I've always felt that Bigfloot's been a Jack of All Trades, really. He rarely leaves Helen's side, so he would know a lot of what she knows by now in addition to his people's traditional medicine and knowledge.

Agreed.

Yeah, I was like "Maj. Davis!" at first, but I quickly forgot his crossover acting ties and saw him as Gerald.

atlantis_babe34
November 15th, 2009, 09:16 PM
I though this was a nice "warm" epsidoe from the past 4 we've had had me sinking down int eh depressing sand! Loved Henry, so torn, Helen in Scrubs whooooo! and kate actaully doing something for once. i'm warming up to her but it will nver be as warm as Ashley. Colin Cunningham was great, didn't like that he was the bad guy tho :(.

Loved the last 2 scenes, Nice raw emotion from Ryan

not the best episdoe and not the worst 7/10

EvenstarSRV
November 15th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Since when was Ashley a medical assistant? :confused: Or even show the *slightest* interest in being one?
I recognize that Biggie wasn't either, the most he ever did iirc was bring Helen tea while she was working.


I think in Warriors Ashley helped Helen when she was getting the bug out of Gregory, but it seemed like it was more emotional support than medical assisting.

I can buy Bigfoot assisting Helen, he's probably been on her staff the longest, and since Helen apparently hasn't hired an assistant for herself she probably eventually drafted him into helping her.

And personally, I like it when Bigfoot gets to do more than just serve tea. :)

kes
November 16th, 2009, 03:50 AM
I was thinking this ep doesnt give you an Henry backstory and it doesnt fit with "Edward". In "Edward" Henry was doing some reading cos till then he had ignored what he was, but in "Fragments" he says that Rachel has been helping him understand who he is for the last 4 years....hmmm. Continuity anyone?

I want a really Henry backstory! Like when Magnus found him.

Skydiver
November 16th, 2009, 04:03 AM
is it horrible that i have this image of helen bringing home a bedraggled little werewolf puppy :)

kes
November 16th, 2009, 06:05 AM
LOL A puppy :p Thats cool

Neosuchi
November 16th, 2009, 11:46 AM
Guy who played the husband is a horrible actor and destroyed this episode, none of the feelings he had or anything was believable.

Also Jack looked liked an Unas with downs syndrome.

Loved this episode otherwise :P

Skydiver
November 16th, 2009, 05:05 PM
le podcast is up

http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/podcasts.php

majorsal
November 16th, 2009, 06:04 PM
I was thinking this ep doesnt give you an Henry backstory and it doesnt fit with "Edward". In "Edward" Henry was doing some reading cos till then he had ignored what he was, but in "Fragments" he says that Rachel has been helping him understand who he is for the last 4 years....hmmm. Continuity anyone?

I want a really Henry backstory! Like when Magnus found him.

i thought that too. :S

maybe henry decided to really look into in 'edward', and we, the viewers, were introduced to it way after henry new this about himself?...

AresLover452
November 16th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Good episode, but I didn't quite understand why if Gerald wanted to kill Henry why he pushed so hard to have him change into the wolf. Was it because he wanted Henry as the wolf to kill him? If so then why didn't he just give Helen a reason to shoot him. Any thoughts?

Yeah, he wanted Wolf/Henry to be responsible and prove to be the monster that was lurking beneath the surface. At least that is what i got from him wanting Wolf Henry to come out and put him out of his misery.

KaKaCarter
November 16th, 2009, 11:39 PM
I enjoyed the episode but it didn't truly excite me. A great who dunnit has got to deflect our view of who was guilty for a time. It was pretty obviousthe husband had done it and the wife would survive. The motivation for it was quite well built up. Initially i thought the husband just was angry that henry had got her involved in working with abnormals. Henry as the third wheel in their marriage was good and that he was actually targeting Henry was a nice twist.
I liked jack, he didn't particularly remind me of an unas but maybe that's because i picture them clothed. Will and kate worked well this week. kate's role was very understated this episode which worked & her acting was palatable. Why isn't henry with Rachel though? He's never going to be friends with gerald again and they both love eachother. Guess it just strikes me as a we will never hear of rachel again moment as she was just a guest love interest.

Skydiver
November 17th, 2009, 04:52 AM
also, if henry, wolfed out, attacked Gerald, then he could play the 'i was only defending myself' card and avoid the 'i murdered someone' guilt

Commander Zelix
November 17th, 2009, 06:16 AM
As much as Pavor and even Hero were great, this episode was horrible. You knew from the start the husband was implicated, since he was the only other suspect. While the whole medical situation didn't make much sense and was not interesting. Same as the relation between the werewolf guy and the attacked lady. One of the worse, a rarity for Sanctuary.

Celandine
November 19th, 2009, 03:35 AM
I had thought Magnus and Henry knew of his abnormality since he was a child, hence the reasoning why he was taken to the Sanctuary to grow up, protected and cared for. I wouldn't think Helen would see the need to rescue just any child personally I suppose. In 'The Five' we first learn that Henry is a werewolf, but perhaps I need to rewatch it again as I don't remember it being referenced that it was much of a surprise to anyone really. Maybe Henry showed tendencies as a child which prompted Helen to take him into her care and through blood tests confirm his abnormality...? Did it just not show itself in its full form till he was an adult...?

According to 'Fragments' though, Henry has only known about his abnormality for four years which doesnt add up to me.

A lot of this is my speculation, but I do like things to make sense.

I do have to say that I sooooo love Henry's gadget in this ep! Holographic scanner and Eradicator ftw! *geeky squee* :D

wine_buyer
November 19th, 2009, 04:45 AM
I had thought Magnus and Henry knew of his abnormality since he was a child, hence the reasoning why he was taken to the Sanctuary to grow up, protected and cared for

I am paraphrasing here but didn't Helen say something (in the ep called "Edward") along the lines of "I often wonder what would have happened if i had left you on the moors to be raised (or was it "be with" ) your own kind" ?

If so, this would imply that they knew about Henry's lineage and maybe they were focused on if/when he would turn and could he control it?

jckfan55
November 19th, 2009, 07:36 AM
I think Henry said he's known but has been denying it to himself. Didn't he use the analogy of someone not wanting to admit they have cancer or something?

Ian-S
November 19th, 2009, 08:56 AM
I though they said she had been helping him for the last 4 years, that doesn't necessary mean he knew why she was helping him...

...or has that already been said? lol

Celandine
November 19th, 2009, 01:12 PM
I am paraphrasing here but didn't Helen say something (in the ep called "Edward") along the lines of "I often wonder what would have happened if i had left you on the moors to be raised (or was it "be with" ) your own kind" ?

If so, this would imply that they knew about Henry's lineage and maybe they were focused on if/when he would turn and could he control it?

His lineage? As in there were more of his kind/type/abnormality?

He resembled a 'wild child' of sorts in the brief flashback and if that was the case, then you'd think in groups that are quite primitive they would care for their own kind as has been done throughout the ages. They would stick together if that makes any sense. If he was seen as 'different' though due to his abnormality and an outcast within his own clan/flamily, then it would make sense that Magnus felt the need to protect him.

Skydiver
November 19th, 2009, 03:45 PM
well, if he's a werewolf then you can follow the train of thought that not all werewolves are 'made' from being bitten but that a boy and girl can have....a puppy :)

if the werewolf 'disease' alters your genes then it stands to reckon that it's a mutation that can be passed down through off springs

RealmOfX
November 19th, 2009, 04:08 PM
I was thinking this ep doesnt give you an Henry backstory and it doesnt fit with "Edward". In "Edward" Henry was doing some reading cos till then he had ignored what he was, but in "Fragments" he says that Rachel has been helping him understand who he is for the last 4 years....hmmm. Continuity anyone?

I want a really Henry backstory! Like when Magnus found him.

Actually Henry said that he had worked with Rachel for 4 years and that she was helping him understand who he is; two separate things. Henry didn't say that Rachel had been helping him for 4 years to understand who he is, which is what you seem to be getting at. There's a difference, so no, I don't think it is a continuity problem.

kes
November 20th, 2009, 03:11 AM
Actually Henry said that he had worked with Rachel for 4 years and that she was helping him understand who he is; two separate things. Henry didn't say that Rachel had been helping him for 4 years to understand who he is, which is what you seem to be getting at. There's a difference, so no, I don't think it is a continuity problem.


You could be right. but thats what I got from what he said.
Either way, it wasnt a backstory :S

Skydiver
November 20th, 2009, 05:09 AM
i read the transcript for edward and i think i have an explanation

4 years ago Helen told Henry what he was and what he was likely to become. she said soemthing about finding him on the moors and she should have left him with his own kind. then he said 'maybe you should have, then i wouldn't miss being human'

and his wolfing out is less a werewolf and seems to be more a change. the reference is chrysalis and butterfly, so it's a transformation and not the monthly one.

so maybe 4 years ago he found out that he might transform, started to in s1, accepted who he was and who he might be

wine_buyer
November 20th, 2009, 06:12 AM
Tried to post this last night but couldn't get in to go. Looking at it now I think it goes along with what Sky and others are saying. Excuse the rambling. It was written very late last night.:o


His lineage? As in there were more of his kind/type/abnormality?

He resembled a 'wild child' of sorts in the brief flashback and if that was the case, then you'd think in groups that are quite primitive they would care for their own kind as has been done throughout the ages. They would stick together if that makes any sense. If he was seen as 'different' though due to his abnormality and an outcast within his own clan/flamily, then it would make sense that Magnus felt the need to protect him.

In looking at Edward again I am thinking that Henry's abnormality was inherited (as was Edwards) and that maybe Sky is right about the "puppy" thing. :D It's possible that Henry's parents were killed and that left him an orphan. Magnus may not have trusted the rest of the pack to take care of him. If he came from a pack of human/werewolf abnormals then the possibility exists that they may have been a bit on the wild side (living on the moors and away from society) so it could be possible that they may have turned on him as a weak link in the pack. This does happen in nature so again, maybe Helen didn't trust his own to do right by him.

Another thing that leads me to believe that his pack/clan were on the wild side is that Henry said (in Edward) that if Helen hadn't taken him in "at least that way I wouldn't miss being human".

Another observation in Edward that connects to this episode is that Henry tells Helen that he has been ignoring this part of him ever since she took him in and was hoping that he would never have to deal with it so maybe (with TV time being different from real time :p) this explains the 4 year thing?

Done rambling.:o

jckfan55
November 20th, 2009, 08:27 AM
well, if he's a werewolf then you can follow the train of thought that not all werewolves are 'made' from being bitten but that a boy and girl can have....a puppy :)

if the werewolf 'disease' alters your genes then it stands to reckon that it's a mutation that can be passed down through off springs

Somehow that's what I always thought. (Though the puppy thing is a cute image I hadn't thought of. ;) ) In my mind I was thinking (werewolf child) Henry was orphaned or something and Helen took him home with her. "to be raised by your own kind" I interpreted as by your own werewolf people.
But that's just me. (we really need Sanctuary icons :( )

Skydiver
November 20th, 2009, 09:31 AM
yeah, i think henry was different.

he's a 'class 9 hyper accelerated protean life form' with a 'mutative stress trigger' (ie he morphs when he's stressed/upset)

I have this image of a young abnormal found alone. either helen didn't trust his kind, didn't know where they were, she took him home adn raised him. and she raised him as a human child, not a protean life form.

I'm wondering, giving the time, if Helen adopted him, and it awakened her maternal instinct and that prompted her to have Ashley (the ages woudl be about right i think)

I think, about 4 years ago, Henry had the first glimpses of what he could be, maybe had his first partial transformation, and he tried to quell it ever since, talking to the doctor. but finally, biology won out over his preferences and he finally had to admit what he was and could be.

Mousie
November 24th, 2009, 07:42 AM
I enjoyed this episode. I liked seeing all the tech that they had, from the modern medical stuff to the items they have built themselves. The 3D scanner was realy good, advanced technology but build in the victorian style.

I liked Will playing detective again, it can get boring when they all do essentially the same thing each week.

It did seem a bit scattered in places, like when Helen asked Biggie if he had his medicine bag at the beginning and asked him to keep it handy. Then they use it, seemingly very reluctantly to save Rachel. What was that all about? What was the risk in using his medicine I wonder?

I wonder what they did with Gerald? They can turn him over to the police, especially if Rachel where willing to testify against him but they wouldn't be able to keep him from blabbing. I can't see that Helen would be willing to imprison him herself in the Sanctuary despite what he did to them all.

I liked Jack, the noises he made were cute.

Alder
November 26th, 2009, 06:29 AM
I rather enjoyed this episode actually. A bit less dark after the opening episodes, some detective work, and even a glimpse of the greater Sanctuary network - even if it was a glimpse of something going wrong!

I do wish that there'd been a bit of backstory laid in about Henry and Rachel, a line or two in previous episodes. Like Henry handing Helen a folder and saying, "that's the latest research from Rachel and Gerald on the Pleskie". (Or whatever it was called.) And Henry talking about being at the movies or for dinner with Rachel. Something to set it up a bit, and show that she really had some importance in his life, as opposed to 'here's this really close friend that I've never mentioned before'. they all treated her like one of their own immediately, but the viewer felt nothing for her at all.]

Anyway, I reckon that anyone who marries someone "because he was the one who asked" is probably too dumb for Henry. Hope he finds himself a smarter lass. :)

Matt G
November 26th, 2009, 02:13 PM
1. Liked the 3D hologram thing.

2. Gerald was seriously f-ked in the head. Thing is, I've been in Henry's "third wheel" position myself but for someone to get 'that' mad? Was it just because he was abnormal? Why did Gerald want anything to do with abnormals then?

3. Having said that, if I was in Henry's position I wouldn't have turned down Rachel's offer...scratch that, I wouldn't put that sort of stupidity past me, but I'm still not exactly sure why he turned her down.

4. Definately liked the rivalry between Will and Kate though. There are still moments where I'm bummed about Ashley being written out but Kate's slowly creating her own niche.

BigHonkinSpaceGun
December 3rd, 2009, 08:42 AM
After re-watching 'Fragments' for the 3rd time with my sister, who's officially been corrupted into a Sanctuary fan, I noticed something.

The Pleskie is named "Jack", and then I thought "wait a minute, he's named Jack. wonder if there's any connection with Jack the Ripper (aka Druitt)?" And Rachel had injuries to her abdomen, like many of the Ripper's victims. There's also the issue of the fungus causing the Pleskie to become aggressive and attack Rachel, and Druitt started to kill women after he was injected with the sanguine vampiris serum.

I'm still not 100% convinced that Henry had romantic feelings for Rachel. I think she was more a friend, and the romantic angle didn't occur to him, which is why he turned Rachel down. Though I think he's still afraid to connect to someone romantically due to his werewolf side.

wine_buyer
December 8th, 2009, 12:00 PM
After re-watching 'Fragments' for the 3rd time with my sister, who's officially been corrupted into a Sanctuary fan, I noticed something.

The Pleskie is named "Jack", and then I thought "wait a minute, he's named Jack. wonder if there's any connection with Jack the Ripper (aka Druitt)?" And Rachel had injuries to her abdomen, like many of the Ripper's victims. There's also the issue of the fungus causing the Pleskie to become aggressive and attack Rachel, and Druitt started to kill women after he was injected with the sanguine vampiris serum.

I'm still not 100% convinced that Henry had romantic feelings for Rachel. I think she was more a friend, and the romantic angle didn't occur to him, which is why he turned Rachel down. Though I think he's still afraid to connect to someone romantically due to his werewolf side.

1. Very good! Corrupt as many as possible! ;)

2. Hmmm. Writers...plagiarize thy selves? Actually it is an interesting observation whether they intended it or not. :cool:
3. Ah Henry! A mystery wrapped up in an enigma. ;)

Mousie
December 15th, 2009, 11:57 PM
My thought that the Pleskies name was another SG1 ref.

Rose "Snapjinx" McKnight
January 14th, 2010, 09:41 PM
Holy frak.

So, I'm behind and just watched this ep for the first time and I can now say without a doubt that Will and Henry are no longer at a dead-tie for my second favorite character.

I <3 Henry!!!! :D

After the premiere, I kind of felt like the episodes were lacking something. This one made up for all of that. It's been a long time since a TV show pulled that hard on my heartstrings. The lump in my throat started when Henry was talking with Rachel at the very end and didn't go away til the credits.

On that topic, WTF is up with that chick? When Henry asked why she married Gerald if she wasn't in love with him and she's like "Because he asked me."

Oh :comeon: !!!!!!

That's like saying: "Why'd you jump off a cliff into a ravine of scorpions?" "Because he asked me to." :confused: :mad:

I actually thought this Henry romance would be cute until she proved what a dumba** chick she really is. I almost wish she had died, but then Henry would have been utterly crushed. :(

Skydiver
September 21st, 2012, 03:03 PM
So, fragments. watched this one in two parts. In some ways, I really liked it. abby of the week with a twist. We get to see the inner workings of the sanctuary and how things run. On the other hand, well the Jack costume was a bit silly at times, so was Magnus' medicine....dramatic pauses in the middle of treament?

But I liked the character stuff. Clueless Henry that couldn't see he was best to just walk away. How there is a bit of an underground abnormal research community was nice to see.
all in all, not bad, not fantastic, but not too bad.