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jsonitsac
November 8th, 2009, 12:57 PM
So presumably Destiny would have to dial 9 chevrons to connect to Earth (SGC/Atlantis assuming they haven't moved the Pegasus gate yet). Here's what I'm wondering could a normal gate handle the power requirements to receive a 9 chevron address. I point this out because when Thor dialed into the SGC from Ida he blacked out the whole building with the power requirements of the wormhole. So, would the SGC be able to even handle Destiny dialing in?

Replicator Todd
November 8th, 2009, 01:00 PM
The SGC would explode.....that would be a sweet twist!

Arwis
November 8th, 2009, 01:31 PM
So presumably Destiny would have to dial 9 chevrons to connect to Earth (SGC/Atlantis assuming they haven't moved the Pegasus gate yet). Here's what I'm wondering could a normal gate handle the power requirements to receive a 9 chevron address. I point this out because when Thor dialed into the SGC from Ida he blacked out the whole building with the power requirements of the wormhole. So, would the SGC be able to even handle Destiny dialing in?

A lot of people believe that Destiny has prototype gates. If they handled dial IN all other gates most definitely do that as well.

Asecooper
November 8th, 2009, 01:32 PM
The lights didn't go out due to power needs when the Asgard dialed in... they did that so they wouldn't activate the iris and have Freyr go splat :P

Archetype
November 8th, 2009, 03:54 PM
A normal intergalactic connection only requires 8 chevrons. It took 9 to reach Destiny, I think, not because it was so far away, but because the ship's location was unknown. It would probably only take 8 to dial back to Earth. (I'm just guessing. I don't think they've ever stated this on the show)

Ashman
November 8th, 2009, 04:02 PM
If the 9th Chevron is on the gates in both MW & Atlantis I would say you could dial out if you had the power requirements! Then again the ancients must of gone green with the Zpm's only 3 to power a cityship the size of Manhanttan!

Optimus Chekov
November 8th, 2009, 04:07 PM
The dying of the power was not the cause of the whole "Dialling from Ida'. It was, as a learned colleague has previously said, a way to deal with the SGC iris. The SGC doesnt black out when Atlantis dials home for status updates.

escyos
November 8th, 2009, 04:45 PM
So presumably Destiny would have to dial 9 chevrons to connect to Earth (SGC/Atlantis assuming they haven't moved the Pegasus gate yet). Here's what I'm wondering could a normal gate handle the power requirements to receive a 9 chevron address. I point this out because when Thor dialed into the SGC from Ida he blacked out the whole building with the power requirements of the wormhole. So, would the SGC be able to even handle Destiny dialing in?

the gate didnt drain the power, the asgard diasbled the power so they couldnt close the iris and kill him.

Steelbox
November 9th, 2009, 02:58 AM
A normal intergalactic connection only requires 8 chevrons. It took 9 to reach Destiny, I think, not because it was so far away, but because the ship's location was unknown. It would probably only take 8 to dial back to Earth. (I'm just guessing. I don't think they've ever stated this on the show)

It was stated in Air part 2:

GATEROOM. Riley has been looking at the console in the room and now calls Young and Greer over.

RILEY: Sir, I think I've got it. It wasn't even that hard to find - it's right here in the dialling programme.

YOUNG: You sure?

RILEY: Yes. It's an eight symbol address.

GREER: You mean you can dial this thing back to Earth?

RILEY: There's no Point of Origin indicated but, still, there's only thirty-six symbols on this Gate. I'm assuming the ninth symbol represents some x-factor distance equation.

There you go. There is only one gate that can receive a 9 chevron dial, the Destiny gate. Incomming=9 chevrons out=8 chevron at least for earth.

Control_Chair
November 9th, 2009, 03:10 AM
It was stated in Air part 2:

GATEROOM. Riley has been looking at the console in the room and now calls Young and Greer over.

RILEY: Sir, I think I've got it. It wasn't even that hard to find - it's right here in the dialling programme.

YOUNG: You sure?

RILEY: Yes. It's an eight symbol address.

GREER: You mean you can dial this thing back to Earth?

RILEY: There's no Point of Origin indicated but, still, there's only thirty-six symbols on this Gate. I'm assuming the ninth symbol represents some x-factor distance equation.

There you go. There is only one gate that can receive a 9 chevron dial, the Destiny gate. Incomming=9 chevrons out=8 chevron at least for earth.

Well the Destiny's address/code found in the Atlantis database was only 8 symbols and they had to determine the final symbol (Earth PoO) to connect the wormhole. I think the same thing applies for Destiny dialling back to Earth, 8 symbol address + Destiny’s PoO as the 9th.

Steelbox
November 9th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Well the Destiny's address/code found in the Atlantis database was only 8 symbols and they had to determine the final symbol (Earth PoO) to connect the wormhole. I think the same thing applies for Destiny dialling back to Earth, 8 symbol address + Destiny’s PoO as the 9th.

Maybe not. Daniel in the introduction movies shown to Eli said "To finally dial the 9 chevron address found in the ancient database." It is not fact though that maybe the address they found already had the nine chevron altogether. Yes the Earth PoO. Since they where not on earth they changed the last chevron to the new supposed PoO making the address miss-dial to an "inexistent number". To dial the Destiny one need not of a PoO he has to use Earth point of origin as a kind of code.

Archetype
November 9th, 2009, 04:01 PM
It was stated in Air part 2:

GATEROOM. Riley has been looking at the console in the room and now calls Young and Greer over.

RILEY: Sir, I think I've got it. It wasn't even that hard to find - it's right here in the dialling programme.

YOUNG: You sure?

RILEY: Yes. It's an eight symbol address.

GREER: You mean you can dial this thing back to Earth?

RILEY: There's no Point of Origin indicated but, still, there's only thirty-six symbols on this Gate. I'm assuming the ninth symbol represents some x-factor distance equation.

There you go. There is only one gate that can receive a 9 chevron dial, the Destiny gate. Incomming=9 chevrons out=8 chevron at least for earth.

Nice work. That quote should tell us everything we need to know about dialing Earth. Unfortunately, I'm still confused.

Here, Riley says "it's an eight-symbol address" but then says there's "no point of origin." This either means he's looking at an address with seven specified symbols followed by a "question mark" or he's looking at eight-specific symbols and recognizes that none of them are a point of origin. He then goes on to speculate about the significance of the ninth symbol.

It makes sense there would be no specified point of origin for a moving ship, but why does he even bother to mention the ninth symbol at all? The way it's worded, it sounds as if the eight-symbol address he found is insufficient and they're going to need to "guess" the ninth symbol in order to dial Earth.

Quadhelix
November 9th, 2009, 04:29 PM
It makes sense there would be no specified point of origin for a moving ship, but why does he even bother to mention the ninth symbol at all? The way it's worded, it sounds as if the eight-symbol address he found is insufficient and they're going to need to "guess" the ninth symbol in order to dial Earth.That's because there is no chance that an eight-chevron address could be used to get from the Destiny back to Earth, even if each eight-chevron address stood for a whole galaxy.

escyos
November 9th, 2009, 10:18 PM
the only reason an incoming wormhole would drain power would be if the dialling side lost power when in transit















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Blistna
November 12th, 2009, 12:45 PM
Nice work. That quote should tell us everything we need to know about dialing Earth. Unfortunately, I'm still confused.

Here, Riley says "it's an eight-symbol address" but then says there's "no point of origin." This either means he's looking at an address with seven specified symbols followed by a "question mark" or he's looking at eight-specific symbols and recognizes that none of them are a point of origin. He then goes on to speculate about the significance of the ninth symbol.

It makes sense there would be no specified point of origin for a moving ship, but why does he even bother to mention the ninth symbol at all? The way it's worded, it sounds as if the eight-symbol address he found is insufficient and they're going to need to "guess" the ninth symbol in order to dial Earth.


I think he somehow knew, maybe the screen indicates it or something.


POSSIBLE SPOILERS...

But I think the larger question is this. If the only purpose for the 9th chevron is to dial Destiny, why make the dialing system on that ship able to dial 9 chevrons? I mean, really...maybe because, although the Stargate on SGU has a limited range, meaning can only go so far, but the 9th chevron somehow changes that rule and will allow them to dial Earth -- because as Eli mentioned, the 9th chevron is meant to be dialed from Earth (where Atlantis was).

Who knows but it's interesting.

ttsec
November 12th, 2009, 02:51 PM
There is only one gate that can receive a 9 chevron dial, the Destiny gate.

Proof please.

malfunction
November 13th, 2009, 07:51 AM
The stargate on Destiny has symbols that can represent any point in space, but the POO of every stargate they dial should be the same for Destiny. It should just be a matter of adding that onto the dialing sequence for Earth.

If it takes a nine chevrons to dial Destiny, it should nine to dial Earth.The wording of the scene with Riley is a little confusing, it could have been more clear. In my mind any stargate in the Milky Way has a six symbol address, as the POO is different for every planet so it shouldn't count as part of the address. Lantea had a seven symbol address and Destiny has an eight symbol address.

randomking
November 13th, 2009, 05:00 PM
It was stated in Air part 2:

GATEROOM. Riley has been looking at the console in the room and now calls Young and Greer over.

RILEY: Sir, I think I've got it. It wasn't even that hard to find - it's right here in the dialling programme.

YOUNG: You sure?

RILEY: Yes. It's an eight symbol address.

GREER: You mean you can dial this thing back to Earth?

RILEY: There's no Point of Origin indicated but, still, there's only thirty-six symbols on this Gate. I'm assuming the ninth symbol represents some x-factor distance equation.

There you go. There is only one gate that can receive a 9 chevron dial, the Destiny gate. Incomming=9 chevrons out=8 chevron at least for earth.

don't forget that the 9"th symbol had to be the symbol for earth kinda like a code

adamfox01
November 14th, 2009, 03:57 AM
and slightly later on in the transcript

SCOTT: We have the address back. All we need is the right Point of Origin.

YOUNG: And we've got thirty-six tries.

meaning that they don't know the address back to earth.

So my question is... what address did the they try to dial in the episode "Earth"?

J-Whitt Remastered
November 14th, 2009, 06:22 AM
and slightly later on in the transcript

SCOTT: We have the address back. All we need is the right Point of Origin.

YOUNG: And we've got thirty-six tries.

meaning that they don't know the address back to earth.

So my question is... what address did the they try to dial in the episode "Earth"?

They didn't dial an address. Rush said he faked the whole thing.

malfunction
November 14th, 2009, 07:11 AM
They didn't dial an address. Rush said he faked the whole thing.

I think that the two scientists with Telford would have been able to tell if the address was real, at one point Rush wasn't even involved in the plan. So they knew the address and were prepared to dial Earth without him, Rush only faked the alarms and the illusion of the plan failing.

J-Whitt Remastered
November 14th, 2009, 07:24 AM
I think that the two scientists with Telford would have been able to tell if the address was real, at one point Rush wasn't even involved in the plan. So they knew the address and were prepared to dial Earth without him, Rush only faked the alarms and the illusion of the plan failing.

Very good point.