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bobsenior
November 7th, 2009, 05:05 AM
Ok this is no way Spoilers, it's just what I think is gunna happen:
Colonel Telford is gunna have sex with Colonel Young's wife having her believe that he is Colonel Young, and in a few episodes time she is going to discover that she's pregnant! She won't know from which encounter but either way, it's Telford's baby because it's his body! Like I said, not Spoilers, just my opinion :)
Oh and Colonel Young will discover what Telford did (having sex with his wife).

Lightning Ducj
November 7th, 2009, 05:15 AM
Ok this is no way Spoilers, it's just what I think is gunna happen:
Colonel Telford is gunna have sex with Colonel Young's wife having her believe that he is Colonel Young, and in a few episodes time she is going to discover that she's pregnant! She won't know from which encounter but either way, it's Telford's baby because it's his body! Like I said, not Spoilers, just my opinion :)
Oh and Colonel Young will discover what Telford did (having sex with his wife).


I'm going to give Telford the benefit of the doubt and think that Telford was just going to see Emily to 'fess up'. Telford is a hardcore military type so he can rub people the wrong way, but there is nothing yet in his personality to suggest he would be that dishonorable

Chemp
November 7th, 2009, 05:15 AM
It is kind of spolierish for those who haven't seen earth, it would be better suited in the earth thread.

tar21
November 7th, 2009, 06:55 AM
Telford doesn't appear to be a jerk. I think he showed up to his Young's house to set some boundaries. You do know that Telford was technically.... RAPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bobsenior
November 7th, 2009, 07:03 AM
Telford doesn't appear to be an jerk. I think he showed up to his Young's house to set some boundaries. You do know that Telford was technically.... RAPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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He keeps trying to take command of Destiny and undermining Colonel Young, so I'd say that in itself makes him a jerk. If he wanted to set boundaries I think he'd have talked to Colonel Young, not his wife as they both experienced the displacement. Anyway, we'll see next week.

tar21
November 7th, 2009, 07:37 AM
He keeps trying to take command of Destiny and undermining Colonel Young, so I'd say that in itself makes him a jerk. If he wanted to set boundaries I think he'd have talked to Colonel Young, not his wife as they both experienced the displacement. Anyway, we'll see next week.

He's doing his job. Young is stressed and is having a hard time maintaining control. He's at the mercy of Rush!

RUSH IS MAD! He's MAD SCIENCE! MAD SCIENCE! The guy is up to no good and we all know it. He's an amalgam of Dr. Smith from Lost In Space, Sybok from Star Trek 5, and a slew of super villains. He may eventually acknowledge his evil and redeem himself but right now he's SINISTER.

Telford is not a douche, but he has to be one to get the job done . Everyone is sitting on their hands. Telford is working his ass off at home to get them back and he volunteers his body for the stones. Does anyone show any appreciation? The guy wants to save them!

bobsenior
November 7th, 2009, 08:07 AM
He's doing his job

Did his job involve bailing when they thought the ship was about to blow up? I know they said there was no point in another 3 deaths, but hasn't he ever heard the term 'the captain goes down with the ship'?
(and yes I know, he's a colonel, but same principal)


Young is stressed and is having a hard time maintaining control. He's at the mercy of Rush! RUSH IS MAD! He's MAD SCIENCE! MAD SCIENCE! The guy is up to no good and we all know it. He's an amalgam of Dr. Smith from Lost In Space, Sybok from Star Trek 5, and a slew of super villains. He may eventually acknowledge his evil and redeem himself but right now he's SINISTER.

Of course Young is stressed but he hasn't made any bad calls yet has he? And he's keeping an eye on Rush, although I don't think Rush is mad, perhaps a little eccentric like McKay, (and slightly more anti-social) but only because everyone else is a dumbass in comparison! I mean it's kind of an obvious one if the ship doesn't have much power, don't waste in on non-essential systems and don't waste time on non-essential tasks. Yes dialling Destiny rather than Earth may have been a mistake, but McKay's blown up solar systems before now; basically no one's perfect! Lol


Telford is not a douche, but he has to be one to get the job done . Everyone is sitting on their hands. Telford is working his ass off at home to get them back and he volunteers his body for the stones. Does anyone show any appreciation? The guy wants to save them!

We'll see next week, but personally, I think he is gunna turn out to be a douche :)

Spimman
November 7th, 2009, 08:16 AM
If Young's wife get's pregnant that might be the dumbest idea in the history of the show, the focus should be on Destiny...not Earth.

If Telford does Young's wife and the break up at Young's connection with Earth is severed, and Destiny's connection with Telford is reduced...awesome!

I'm all for breaking major ties with Earth.

Maxum
November 7th, 2009, 08:27 AM
Ok this is no way Spoilers, it's just what I think is gunna happen:
Colonel Telford is gunna have sex with Colonel Young's wife having her believe that he is Colonel Young, and in a few episodes time she is going to discover that she's pregnant! She won't know from which encounter but either way, it's Telford's baby because it's his body! Like I said, not Spoilers, just my opinion :)
Oh and Colonel Young will discover what Telford did (having sex with his wife).

I don't think that's going to happen. I think this is going to set up a major fight/issue between Young and Telford. The wife will be the catalyst, but it won't be about her. Young slammed Telford in front of Jack and the IOA, although what he said was absolutely true. Telford did "cut and run." Telford wants payback.


Telford doesn't appear to be a jerk. I think he showed up to his Young's house to set some boundaries. You do know that Telford was technically.... RAPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No he wasn't. I fully believe that all the body swappers are told that they have no rights to their bodies during those body swaps, and if they don't like that idea, they don't have to agree to be the recipients. The exact same type of risk exists for Young, Eli, and Chloe on the Destiny. Once they agree to the swap, they don't have control over what happens (excluding trying to destroy the body). I'm going to assume that there is some type of agreement in that regard. So unless we are told otherwise, it wasn't rape.


He's doing his job. Young is stressed and is having a hard time maintaining control. He's at the mercy of Rush!

I think the opposite is true. Young is the only person who maintains control when he's on Destiny. When he's gone, Rush tries to take over or Telford. When Young was gone during "Water," Rush was trying to manipulate things in his favor. As soon as Young gets back, there is order again. Same thing happened with Telford during "Earth."

Young is certainly stressed, but he's in control and in command.

Sule
November 8th, 2009, 10:38 AM
I find it very interesting how Young's wife easily sleeps with another man. Ok it's her husband but not his body. She is actually sleeping with someone else. So I think Telford is going back for some more. I think he is out to piss Young off.

Replicator Todd
November 8th, 2009, 12:33 PM
I think Telford was just angry at the way the his body was being used so he was going to tell Emily he doesn't like his body being used that way, or Telford and Emily have been having a romantic relationship prior to the events of "earth".

greenmen
November 8th, 2009, 12:55 PM
Telford doesn't appear to be a jerk. I think he showed up to his Young's house to set some boundaries. You do know that Telford was technically.... RAPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, I don't. I'm pretty sure everyone on Earth volunteering to use the communication stones is aware of what they are getting themselves into. You don't allow someone who might never see his family again to use your body without knowing what might happen.


I think Telford was just angry at the way the his body was being used so he was going to tell Emily he doesn't like his body being used that way,

I think that seems unlikely. He might have just told Young.


or Telford and Emily have been having a romantic relationship prior to the events of "earth".

I think so, too. At the very least it seems infinitely more likely than him raping Young's wife (sex under false pretense actually is rape).
Besides, does anybody really think she couldn't tell?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 9th, 2009, 06:22 AM
what kind of Person Just Cuts out and Runs?

wargrafix
November 9th, 2009, 06:25 AM
what kind of Person Just Cuts out and Runs?

A person called telford.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 9th, 2009, 06:25 AM
A person called telford.

exactly he's a coward.

paradymx
November 9th, 2009, 07:24 AM
No, I don't. I'm pretty sure everyone on Earth volunteering to use the communication stones is aware of what they are getting themselves into. You don't allow someone who might never see his family again to use your body without knowing what might happen.


I think it's quite the opposite. I think the rules restrict you from doing the things that you would normally do. The ramifacations would be bad if not. What if you got high in someones body and got them physcially addicted. Or got an STD. What if you got or got someone pregnant. I think the rules that they were refering to were those rules but Young just broke them. I'm surprized that they would even let the exchangee's out in public unescorted like they do.

My theory is Telford has a relationship with Young's wife. It would explain why she was so "okay" with basically having sex with "another man" And why Telford has such anger toward Young. Or telford has an STD (I think that would be too much for a Sci-fi show though...lol) and he's going to tell her. I dont think he can fake being Young to fool the wife.

Lord Hurin
November 9th, 2009, 08:44 AM
in a few episodes time she is going to discover that she's pregnant! She won't know from which encounter but either way, it's Telford's baby because it's his body!

God, I hope not! All we need is multiple pregnancies! People have been pushing for Lt. James to get preggers, Chloe to get preggers (although those could be due to the apparent dislike of Scott) and irl Alaina Huffman os pregnant. Just how many babies do we want running around Destiny?


He keeps trying to take command of Destiny and undermining Colonel Young, so I'd say that in itself makes him a jerk. If he wanted to set boundaries I think he'd have talked to Colonel Young, not his wife as they both experienced the displacement. Anyway, we'll see next week.

Agreed. And if he was legitimately disturbed by it and wanted to complain, he would've told O'Neill. He wants Young's head (or at least his command; probably both!) So I think this is just a little spiteful revenge outside the normal chain of command.


Telford is a hardcore military type so he can rub people the wrong way, but there is nothing yet in his personality to suggest he would be that dishonorable

Except his running away. I still think that the orders he was following (ala Jack's confession to Young) were from the IOA and O'Neill either didn't know, or didn't approve. Jack O'Neill has changed, but I still think (hope) that one of his core beliefs is that you "go down with the ship" especially if you're the one who screwed up the situation.

Lightning Ducj
November 9th, 2009, 08:55 AM
I still think that the orders he was following (ala Jack's confession to Young) were from the IOA and O'Neill either didn't know, or didn't approve. Jack O'Neill has changed, but I still think (hope) that one of his core beliefs is that you "go down with the ship" especially if you're the one who screwed up the situation.

I also don't think O'Neill would have approved or allowed a course of action unless he thought it had a reasonable chance of success. O'Neill ordered Young to follow the plan and wherever the original plan came from or who'd orders were the originals. I don't think he would've said what he said unless he had faith in those who came up with the plan

Lord Hurin
November 9th, 2009, 09:27 AM
I also don't think O'Neill would have approved or allowed a course of action unless he thought it had a reasonable chance of success. O'Neill ordered Young to follow the plan and wherever the original plan came from or who'd orders were the originals. I don't think he would've said what he said unless he had faith in those who came up with the plan

Well, he said point blank to Young that he didn't know what it meant. He also said "the President is behind this plan" which means he didn't have much choice if the Commander in Chief approved it and ordered O'Neill to "make it so."

Speaking of the Pres, is it still the same guy from SG-1? I doubt it can be due to terms and soforth, but have they ever shown his successor?

jelgate
November 9th, 2009, 09:30 AM
Well, he said point blank to Young that he didn't know what it meant. He also said "the President is behind this plan" which means he didn't have much choice if the Commander in Chief approved it and ordered O'Neill to "make it so."

Speaking of the Pres, is it still the same guy from SG-1? I doubt it can be due to terms and soforth, but have they ever shown his successor?

If Henry Hayes got a 2nd term he would be in office

Lord Hurin
November 9th, 2009, 10:34 AM
If Henry Hayes got a 2nd term he would be in office

Ok, cool. I wasn't sure how long he'd been in at the time of the Anubis arc. Sounds cool, love the character and actor. Maybe we'll get to see him? Probably not, but it would be nice.

miles27
November 9th, 2009, 12:28 PM
i think telford went to apologise to youngs -ex-(correct me if i am wrong but didn't she say no longer married)wife for what happened with the glitch knowing full well that young didn't tell her. if it makes you wonder about her sleeping with someone elses body how do you think she will feel if the owner can come back at any moment.

Maxum
November 9th, 2009, 12:32 PM
i think telford went to apologise to youngs -ex-(correct me if i am wrong but didn't she say no longer married)wife for what happened with the glitch knowing full well that young didn't tell her. if it makes you wonder about her sleeping with someone elses body how do you think she will feel if the owner can come back at any moment.

I think he's there to take advantage. Telford has already been shown to be a man who would hijack Young's body to get command of the Destiny, something he's wanted since the beginning, and we know he is a coward who would "cut and run." So much for a great commander. I see nothing in him that would tell me that he's not above "using" Emily for his own purposes or as revenge against Young. Let's hope that Emily knows her husband.

Lord Hurin
November 9th, 2009, 12:35 PM
I think he's there to take advantage. Telford has already been shown to be a man who would hijack Young's body to get command of the Destiny, something he's wanted since the beginning, and we know he is a coward who would "cut and run." So much for a great commander. I see nothing in him that would tell me that he's not above "using" Emily for his own purposes or as revenge against Young. Let's hope that Emily knows her husband.

I agree that he's up to no good. Unfortunately, Emily and Everett have only been married a couple years and we know he was away for at least 6 months.

miles27
November 9th, 2009, 12:56 PM
I think he's there to take advantage. Telford has already been shown to be a man who would hijack Young's body to get command of the Destiny, something he's wanted since the beginning, and we know he is a coward who would "cut and run." So much for a great commander. I see nothing in him that would tell me that he's not above "using" Emily for his own purposes or as revenge against Young. Let's hope that Emily knows her husband.

i more easily believe revenge of making sure he can never be with his wife in telfords or any other body would be bad enough. tricking her into sleeping with him would be too deep a hole for stargate. technacly rape due to him conning her unless they have met before as partners. but how did he know who she was wasn't explained?

Cory Holmes
November 9th, 2009, 01:38 PM
but how did he know who she was wasn't explained?

A simple records search of SGC personnel would show that Young is/was married and who the woman is. Playing a hunch would get Telford to her door.

... unless they were already having an affair. That could be interesting all on its own :)

YutheGreat
November 9th, 2009, 06:35 PM
Telford is just pissing off young by doing his wife he is pissed. I expected them to be blown up not cut and run in the last 20 seconds. We know the people borrowing bodies don't die when Daniel and Vala borrowed a body they survived after the bodies they inhabited were burned alive by the Ori.

Eternal Density
November 9th, 2009, 07:16 PM
I agree that he's up to no good. Unfortunately, Emily and Everett have only been married a couple years and we know he was away for at least 6 months.*searches* hmm, the casting docs to seem to say that, but do we know for certain that's canonically true? Interesting angle though.

We know the people borrowing bodies don't die when Daniel and Vala borrowed a body they survived after the bodies they inhabited were burned alive by the Ori.False, they only survived because the device was shut down at the last moment.

MIZA
November 9th, 2009, 09:42 PM
wait wait wait,


so he had sex with his wife intentionally ??, because i did not get the ending that really strange how would he know her it was Young the whole just cause he switched back and forth a few times makes him fall in love with her , OMG what heck is that !!

Brain_Child
November 10th, 2009, 03:23 AM
wait wait wait,


so he had sex with his wife intentionally ??, because i did not get the ending that really strange how would he know her it was Young the whole just cause he switched back and forth a few times makes him fall in love with her , OMG what heck is that !!

wait wait wait,

that made absolutely no sense. put some commas and full stops.

as for Telford, it looks to be like a good storyline. a shame that the best storyline so far isnt even happening on the Destiny. I cant see how the airforce would agree to Telford doing this kind of thing, so it has to be a personal plan on Telford's part. very interesting to see what he does.

perhaps he confronts Young on board the Destiny and demands that he do certain things, giving Telford a certain power over Young and his command.

all I am really happy about though is that finally a sex scene has some meaning in the show

Julian
November 10th, 2009, 03:39 AM
I think Telford was going for intercourse, though I'm sure that's what they intended to hint at and we'll find out in later episodes.

Though I can't believe Emily and Young slept together - it wasn't even his body.

syfy
November 10th, 2009, 10:23 AM
New to the forum, came after watching the episode on Tivo to see what people thought about Telford/Young/Emily.

When I watched it I thought most likely he was there to pose as Young. But now that I've gotten everyone's input I don't think that is likely. From a story arc perspective it would be too strong, and as someone wrote above it would be way out of character for a Stargate story.

Right now i can think of one likely storyline. I think Telford and Emily are in a current relationship which Young does not know about. Telford basically caught his girl cheating with her ex during the swap. I think the writers will surprise us by showing us they are in a relationship but have Telford not confront her initially. The ongoing love triangle will be a dramatic lever between Telford/Young. To keep it going they will have Emily break up with Telford because she is 'confused' and both men will persue her.

missmobius
November 13th, 2009, 04:52 AM
Ok this is no way Spoilers, it's just what I think is gunna happen:
Colonel Telford is gunna have sex with Colonel Young's wife having her believe that he is Colonel Young, and in a few episodes time she is going to discover that she's pregnant! She won't know from which encounter but either way, it's Telford's baby because it's his body! Like I said, not Spoilers, just my opinion :)
Oh and Colonel Young will discover what Telford did (having sex with his wife).

I hope not, that's too sickly soap operish :(

I'd rather Telford was there (at Emily's door) because he's been having an affair with her all along,, (that's why she found it so easy to have sex with Young, cause he looked just like her lover hehehehhe)

and wouldn't it be a hoot if the next time Young "stones" his way back to Earth (and of course this should be an unplanned "switch"), he immediately finds himself on top of Emily and realizes that Emily was having sex with Telford, LOL

bobsenior
November 22nd, 2009, 08:08 AM
Lol, I came to the same conclusion as Colonel Young :) I still say Telford's a bad guy though :)


I hope not, that's too sickly soap operish :(

I'd rather Telford was there (at Emily's door) because he's been having an affair with her all along,, (that's why she found it so easy to have sex with Young, cause he looked just like her lover hehehehhe)

and wouldn't it be a hoot if the next time Young "stones" his way back to Earth (and of course this should be an unplanned "switch"), he immediately finds himself on top of Emily and realizes that Emily was having sex with Telford, LOL

Lol, that would be awesome :) and Emily could cover herself by saying "he told me he was you" :)