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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 109</FONT>
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Teal'c and O'Neill are transported to an underground cage designed by the Asgard to protect an alien world from the Goa'uld. Teal'c cannot escape the labyrinth while his larval Goa'uld lives.

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Rhydderch Hael
May 17th, 2004, 08:50 PM
A cool element about the episode is how Danny and the gang build up on the mythos of the benevolent gods of Viking lore, not knowing a thing about their true nature. And when Jack and Teal'c first find the hologram of Thor within the labyrinth, this armored and beared anceint warrior being starts spouting off about being the Commander of the Asgard Fleet and that Cimmeria was cited under specific articles as a safe world, blah, blah, blah.

They go in expecting some archaic fellow, and they get a guy who sounds a bit more like Jack declaring rank and articles of war rather than some old dead dude talking in old-fashioned diction.

Newbie
June 11th, 2004, 06:50 PM
Question so in the end...when Teal'c goes trugh the hammer Jack tackles him back in. So, couldn't he just pull him out? Or tackle him out from inside?

bcmilco
June 11th, 2004, 07:23 PM
No because by the time Teal'c made it all the way through the Hammer the larval Goa'uld would be dead and shortly after so would Teal'c. ;)

Besides that would make it too easy, and they had to show that Daniel had accepted Teal'c by having Daniel save Teal'c's life. :)

It also makes the destruction of the Hammer all the more poignant because Daniel is basically sacrificing his chance to save Sha're for Teal'c.

Newbie
June 11th, 2004, 07:35 PM
Well I understand the TOO EASY part...but I hoped for some scintifc explanation..with solid proof...well I guess this us nitpicking...lol...never thougt I'd do this...lol...anyway

No because by the time Teal'c made it all the way through the Hammer the larval Goa'uld would be dead and shortly after so would Teal'c.It probably would because he did it once...for like 10 secs..so all Jack had to do is PULL insted if PUSH and TACKLE...or just push and then put him back in there for a sec and push him out...it wouldn't take long

SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 03:33 AM
I think the Asgard would have made it impossible for the host to go all the way through before the symbiote was dead. There would have been some sort of force field to make sure they stayed put.

Newbie
June 12th, 2004, 12:35 PM
Well, it looked like Teal'c couldn't get out of there at all...i thought there were two forcefields there....but then Jack pushed him back in...so...i dunno...i still don't like it

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 07:02 PM
I like how the natives always think everything is Ragnorak(Armageddon)

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 07:00 AM
I like how the natives always think everything is Ragnorak(Armageddon)

They aren't used to outsiders, so they fear ragnarök is coming. Poor people, can't be easy to live there :)

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 06:46 PM
They aren't used to outsiders, so they fear ragnarök is coming. Poor people, can't be easy to live there :)
But the real estate prices must be rock bottom......what with crazy neighbors shouting the end of the world when someone spills a glass of water.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 07:55 PM
But the real estate prices must be rock bottom......what with crazy neighbors shouting the end of the world when someone spills a glass of water.

Any McDonalds' in the area? Can't survive otherwise....

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 04:15 PM
Was this episode the start of the canadian tree line in the distance? Check the pic every planet looks like that. Maybe the Ancients like to put gates by trees.

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 07:50 PM
the asgard transplated those people inorder for natural developement of the species, and they could ahve tauri-formed it to look like their own world, the ancients were also humans in and of them selfs so they need oxygen and what makes oxygen trees

Bagpuss
July 19th, 2004, 01:32 AM
I liked the introduction of the Unas,especially as he was voiced by James Earl Jones,as the Goa'uld symbiote.
I also liked the "Viking" references throughout the ep,and the introduction of Kendra,Gairwyn (Sp?) and the "Sagan box". :D

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 05:04 PM
The Thor's Hammer prop was impressive.

Wyrminarrd
August 14th, 2004, 03:09 AM
When I saw this show I wondered why they had to destroy the device. Couldn´t they just have gone back to earth and come back with some drilling equipment and drilled a hole in the wall? Ok, perhaps the walls were to strong or protected but my real point is that they didn´t even try, they just went ahead end wrecked the thing :rolleyes:

KorbenDirewolf
August 14th, 2004, 05:26 PM
Well.. According to Norse myths, Ragnarok WILL come, the gods WILL lose to, Heaven and Earth WILL be destroyed. So why wouldn't they dwell on it?

Wyrminarrd
August 15th, 2004, 12:30 PM
If you wanted to get a good idea about how the nordic gods viewed the world but can´t stand reading historical texts and such then you should read the novel Northworld by David Drake.

First off the books are great science fiction and a great read on those grounds alone. Drake however uses the nordic lore very well and you get a very good idea of the religion.

Asgard Buddy
August 17th, 2004, 08:31 AM
I liked the introduction of the Unas,especially as he was voiced by James Earl Jones,as the Goa'uld symbiote.
:eek: I didn't know that. That's awesome.

"No Teal'c. I am your father ... er spawner!"
heh heh

I thought the episode was pretty good but I was bummed when they had to destroy the Hammer.

Lugal
September 1st, 2004, 05:39 PM
Did Kendra say that she was a servant of Molach?

TheTroj
September 1st, 2004, 05:47 PM
I do not think so. I could be wrong though.

Roatbaum
September 1st, 2004, 05:55 PM
This one was on today. I had a terrible day starting at 2am and my neighbors, but I did tape it, just in case I was not here.I loved this one, it was so cool. And Jack was at his Jack best. I really liked the girl too, ( I am on a name robbing drug for a problem with my brain) the ex-snake woman. I thought she was really cool, and brave to do what she did. This was one of SG 1's bonding moments. Really sweet.

KorbenDirewolf
September 3rd, 2004, 11:19 AM
Did Kendra say that she was a servant of Molach?

I think it was Marduk.

Replicarter
September 3rd, 2004, 02:17 PM
Very good episode, I normally prefer episodes with allot of techno in but this was good. Funny when they see the ex-snake woman (I’m bad with names to) healing someone and the way over react and start pointing guns, what did they think it was? Also, notice how the Asgard technology couldn’t disarm Jacks gun? but the Tollan can?

zats
September 8th, 2004, 01:37 PM
I thought this episode was fine--not terrific, but not bad, either--until I caught Thor's Chariot on rerun. NOW I watch this episode and laugh like heck when I imagine Thor instead of Big Hairy Guy giving the standard 'welcome message' to new inhabitants of the Hammer. I almost think that they should have used an Asgaard hologram istead of the BHG--a three-foot puce guy would certainly be more humbling to a goa'uld, at any rate.

But anyway, that's just me. Good episode all around.

zats
September 8th, 2004, 01:40 PM
Very good episode, I normally prefer episodes with allot of techno in but this was good. Funny when they see the ex-snake woman (I’m bad with names to) healing someone and the way over react and start pointing guns, what did they think it was? Also, notice how the Asgard technology couldn’t disarm Jacks gun? but the Tollan can?

Old Asgaard technology didn't detect and confiscate Jack's sidearm--the Hammer's gotta be pretty old. They might be able to detect projectiles now.

Major Fischer
September 8th, 2004, 01:52 PM
Also, notice how the Asgard technology couldn’t disarm Jacks gun? but the Tollan can?

The Tollan knew to look for the projectile weapons, and the Asgard tech was geared to disarm Goa'uld weapons, which, without exception have been energy weapons.

Uncle Dick
September 21st, 2004, 08:57 AM
Funny when they see the ex-snake woman (I’m bad with names to) healing someone and the way over react and start pointing guns, what did they think it was?
Until this point in the series, the only hand device the Gou'ald have used is the one that zaps the brain. Furthermore, until this point (a) there was no evidence that non-Gou'alds could use the hand devices and (b) there was no evidence that hosts could survive the blending process.


When I saw this show I wondered why they had to destroy the device. Couldn´t they just have gone back to earth and come back with some drilling equipment and drilled a hole in the wall?
Then any Gou'alds who were captured by the Hammer would have been able to leave the labyrinth, too. Net effect: Hammer ineffective. Besides, the team was overly optimistic that no Gou'ald would attempt to visit the planet, knowing the consequences.

The first appearance of SG-1 on Cimmera is absolutely classic. Everyone starts laughing and chanting "Thor!" It's great.

SeaBee
September 22nd, 2004, 05:09 AM
Very good episode, I normally prefer episodes with allot of techno in but this was good. Funny when they see the ex-snake woman (I’m bad with names to) healing someone and the way over react and start pointing guns, what did they think it was? Also, notice how the Asgard technology couldn’t disarm Jacks gun? but the Tollan can?
I've always wondered how the Tollan disabler knows the difference between a weapon and other technology. And would Cassies implanted device have been affected?

Spiderman
September 25th, 2004, 12:15 PM
I really liked the episode first time we are being introdueced to the Asgard

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 11:45 AM
Oh, yeah. very good. First time we get to get even a small glimpse of the Asgard, and the first time we see and Unas. You all do know that the guy who did the voice of Darth Vader did the voice of the Unas, right? :cool:

zats
October 29th, 2004, 06:17 PM
I could have killed my dad - we were watching this ep, the Unas is stalking out and going on about he and Teal'c killing Jack and 'feasting upon his flesh', I'm watching absoutely spellbound, and Dad comes up behind me and shouts "JACK! I AM YOUR FATHER!!!!!"

Stupid Dad.

Daniel's_twin
October 30th, 2004, 01:42 PM
LOL! Sorry, but it is kinda funny. Just don't put me on your hit list. :cool:

zats
October 30th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Too late! :)

Daniel's_twin
October 30th, 2004, 01:50 PM
AAAAAAAAHHHHH! SOMEBODY HELP ME! :cool:

zats
October 30th, 2004, 01:57 PM
There is no help...there will be no one to hear you scream...

Daniel's_twin
October 30th, 2004, 02:02 PM
Stay back, or I'll bore you with lots and lots of information of Norse mythology! I'm warning you! :cool:

zats
October 30th, 2004, 02:04 PM
Which I'll promptly counter with a full lecture (run time: 25 minutes, 47 seconds) on miniatures used in producing the Lord of the Rings! Ha!

Daniel's_twin
October 30th, 2004, 02:42 PM
Too late! Already got those memorized! :cool:

zats
October 30th, 2004, 02:46 PM
Lives and times of all the First Ladies.

Daniel's_twin
October 30th, 2004, 03:06 PM
You got me there. :cool:

zats
October 30th, 2004, 03:15 PM
Ha!

Although you're not actually on my hit list anymore, thanks to the hand device advice (ooh! A rhyme!) on the Halloween thread!

WraithWarrior
November 15th, 2004, 02:29 AM
It was so sad for Daniel having to destroy the device that could have saved his wife, but it woulldn't have been the same if Teal'c had to stay or died.

.:Lemon:.
November 15th, 2004, 12:59 PM
I liked this episode, another one of my faves from season one. An interesting storyline I thought, and our first episode including the Asgard and the Unas :)

LMichelle
January 4th, 2005, 03:14 PM
Why did it have to be Daniel that destroyed the device? The device that could have saved Sha're. Just kick the guy while he's down. Sheesh. :(

Daniel's_twin
January 4th, 2005, 03:22 PM
This has been discussed over in the Daniel Appreciation Thread, and it's been concluded that really, no one but Daniel could have destroyed it. Think about it, if Jack or Sam had been the ones to shoot it, Daniel could have gone on blaming Teal'c and the one who shot the device for his wife's death. Daniel had to be willing for the device to be destroyed, or when it was destroyed, it would have also broken his spirit. :cool:

zats
January 4th, 2005, 03:26 PM
Why did it have to be Daniel that destroyed the device? The device that could have saved Sha're. Just kick the guy while he's down. Sheesh. :(

It was no one's choice but Daniel's to make. It was a chance for his wife that he was sacraficing. And it was also symbollic--that he was recognizing that he'd have to make concessions to defeat the goa'uld in the end, but not necessarily save Sha're.

ShimmeringStar
January 30th, 2005, 06:44 AM
It was an interesting introduction to the Unas and more confirmation to their theory that the mind of the host did survive in tandem with the Goa’uld (brought up in The Enemy Within). Had to laugh at the beginning of the episode when Gairwyn meets them, gives them an appraising look and comments “You’re a little short for gods.” :p

SmartFox
February 18th, 2005, 04:07 PM
Just a question havent seen all the eps in SG-1 but why cant the Asgard just build something like that to free Share? Also you would think that the Asgard would have sensors if Thors Hammor broke and could go repair it. They had sensors like that in Red Sky.

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 06:00 PM
The Unas looked like something from ST Voyager

Anubis69
April 7th, 2005, 11:49 AM
Think about it, if Jack or Sam had been the ones to shoot it, Daniel could have gone on blaming Teal'c and the one who shot the device for his wife's death. Daniel had to be willing for the device to be destroyed, or when it was destroyed, it would have also broken his spirit.

I agree with this, but it's also a sign that Daniel's accepting Teal'c as a person and making the sacrifice to save his friend rather than Teal'c having to sacrifice give up his life to save Sha're.


Had to laugh at the beginning of the episode when Gairwyn meets them, gives them an appraising look and comments “You’re a little short for gods.”

That bit was class! Another nod to Star Wars???

zats
June 29th, 2005, 05:06 PM
That bit was class! Another nod to Star Wars???
My young Padawan: a nod to Star Wars, everything is.

And don't forget, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1. :p

JoshuaJSlone
August 21st, 2005, 09:35 AM
When I saw this show I wondered why they had to destroy the device. Couldn´t they just have gone back to earth and come back with some drilling equipment and drilled a hole in the wall? Ok, perhaps the walls were to strong or protected but my real point is that they didn´t even try, they just went ahead end wrecked the thing
Just what I was going to say, until I saw someone had a year ago. :) This I believe is the first of several unnecessary destructions of potentially greatly helpful technology over the years. Not that they haven't made leaps over the years, but from the viewpoint of seasons 1 and 2 especially it was pretty frustrating.

Dementor4
August 29th, 2005, 12:17 AM
Anyone else catch the rune the woman gave to SG1?

It was Loki's rune.

Forshadowing?

Samuel J. Tilden
August 29th, 2005, 10:05 PM
Just a question havent seen all the eps in SG-1 but why cant the Asgard just build something like that to free Share?
Presumably they could but relations between Earth and the Asgard were still in their infancy when Sha're died. We haven't had too many Gou'ald possession stories since Season 6 or so simply because it's more or less trivial now for our heroes to remove symbiotes.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 01:02 AM
^^No just conicendece

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 08:39 PM
This episode was really good in my opinion!

CeeKay Sheppard
September 19th, 2005, 04:22 PM
Why did it have to be Daniel that destroyed the device? The device that could have saved Sha're. Just kick the guy while he's down. Sheesh. :(

That really ticks me off, too! Jack could have just walked out of there and done it himself! But NO, the lazy BUM had to hand the staff weapon to DANIEL!! You can see the agony in his eyes (MS is such a wonderful actor!) as he destroys the Hammer... I'm all for a good Danny whumping, but that's just cruel! Zats has a point, but still... :mad::mad::mad:

DJDole
September 21st, 2005, 09:09 AM
The questions I was left with after this ep were:
FIRST, and SIMPLE SOLUTION:
Why couldn't SG-1 just leave Teal'c there for a bit, bring back a team, drill a 2inch diameter hole through the wall, pass a tube containing the symbiote through while Teal'c walked through the hammer, then reinsert the symbiote from the other side?

Or why couldn’t they leave Teal'c there for a while, procure another symbiote, then return & implant it when t'elc is through the hammer?
Or why not setup a off-world base on that planet, and leave Teal'c in there until they have captured a ton of Goa'uld (at least Sha're & Skaara), and passed them through the hammer?

Also, why at the end does Jack have only Daniel leave to try the staff-wep from the other side while EVERYONE is inside? Everyone that COULD leave should have, THEN they use the staff. Otherwise they are all risking their lives if it were to collapse the chamber.
ALSO,
Since SG1 was visiting that world to meet the Asguard, and also possibly procure powerful weaponry, WHY did they immediately leave? Why didn't they do a survey or ask the natives about possible technology caches around.
They could have found the alter from the "Thor's Chariot" ep, and fixed the hammer.

ALSO!
If the device at the gate only affected Goa'uld & Jaffa (with Goa'uld symbiotes) then one of the system lords would have undoubtedly have sent through a slave or priest through who would have returned to report about the device.
This would have then been eaisly destroyed by the priest/slave returning with a staff-wep/bomb, or just by the Goa'uld shooting through the gate to destroy it (we've seen staff-wep fire propagate through the gate).

Other Misc SG questions that have bugged me...
After having the Prometheus, why don't they use it to return to the "Torment of Tantalus" planet to retrieve the "Meaning of Life" artifact and/or the lost gate (I’m sure the gate would be useful!).

They've said VERY OFTEN that energy can travel back through a open wormhole (ie backward as well as forward), so why can't the Goa'uld staff-weps &/or Zats be shot through an incoming worm-hole. They ARE energy weapons.. :-/
On that topic, if radio-waves/radiation/energy can go both ways through a wormhole, why can't they put a ring-device on either end and transfer the energy-stream through both ways?
And since MANY eps have shown that radio-waves can go both ways, then why can't you just look at the gate and SEE what's on the other side? Radio-waves are in fact just LIGHT waves that are at a higher frequency. (x-rays at a lower frequency). The event-horizon should look like whatever is on the other side, and either be an invisible line between the worlds, or the view would be a rippling view of the other side.

Eh.
To many questions, good answers don't make good TV, and hindsight is 20/20.

Samuel J. Tilden
September 21st, 2005, 09:37 AM
The questions I was left with after this ep were:
FIRST, and SIMPLE SOLUTION:
Why couldn't SG-1 just leave Teal'c there for a bit, bring back a team, drill a 2inch diameter hole through the wall, pass a tube containing the symbiote through while Teal'c walked through the hammer, then reinsert the symbiote from the other side?
Who's to say that Thor's Hammer doesn't extend all the way around the labyrinth or that there isn't some other kind of forcefield that would prevent exit except through the single portal.


Or why couldn’t they leave Teal'c there for a while, procure another symbiote, then return & implant it when t'elc is through the hammer?
Or why not setup a off-world base on that planet, and leave Teal'c in there until they have captured a ton of Goa'uld (at least Sha're & Skaara), and passed them through the hammer?
Both of these are easier said than done. SG-1 never managed to capture either Sha're or Skaara during the course of their adventures so Teal'c would've been sitting around for a long, long time. That doesn't seem terribly practical considering what an important resource Teal'c is to the team as they explore the galaxy.


They've said VERY OFTEN that energy can travel back through a open wormhole (ie backward as well as forward), so why can't the Goa'uld staff-weps &/or Zats be shot through an incoming worm-hole. They ARE energy weapons.. :-/
Not all energy is created equally. The stargate has shown a great deal of selectivity about which kinds of energy can travel both ways. There's no reason to assume that energy weapons would be included.

Metarock Sam
September 22nd, 2005, 02:37 PM
^ Whoa nice long explination couldnt have been better myslef.

captain jake
May 5th, 2006, 06:42 PM
Why did we not try to take samples of the material that the hammer was made out of?

Eye Of Ra
May 15th, 2006, 03:21 PM
don't think so or did she dam can't remember

captain jake
May 15th, 2006, 03:53 PM
Dam is spelled damn

And no she didn't

Pharaoh Atem
May 23rd, 2006, 07:33 PM
this was a good epsiode nice little hint into the asguard

captain jake
May 25th, 2006, 02:11 AM
What do you mean nice little hint into them?

Chelle DB
June 3rd, 2006, 02:09 AM
It was a nice intro to the Asgard!!! I love the little grey dudes. Pity they broke the hammer. Nice story between Jack and Teal'c. Daniel and Sam did ok but this is definately not one of my favorite - but I did like it just the same!!!

captain jake
June 19th, 2006, 06:22 AM
I thought thors chariot was a better intro.

Actualy this is one of my favourite episodes because it introduced the UNAS the asgard where just the background.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 08:22 PM
yeah that is true

esoap524
August 10th, 2006, 04:06 PM
Question so in the end...when Teal'c goes trugh the hammer Jack tackles him back in. So, couldn't he just pull him out? Or tackle him out from inside?

I thought the same thing. So, plot-wise, no, they couldn't have because it gave Daniel the chance to come to terms with Sha-re's situation--but it did look like Jack should have been able to push Teal'c thru, since he was able to pull him back...unless you can ONLY go back and not thru.

Ok, that works. I'll accept the fact that Teal'c could only go backwards or die if he got pushed thru by Jack.

Actually, I thought this was the 2nd best of this set of episodes (I'm using netflix) and liked Cold Lazarus the best.

I liked this one because we actually had female characters who weren't just helplessly pretty but actually had some gravitas to them. I liked the little bit of something between Kendra and Teal'c, if nothing else, her grudging respect for him. I always like Teal'c and Jack anyway.

A couple of questions from a newbie (ok, maybe more than a couple)

Do we ever see Kendra again?
Is this "Thor" going to have a parallel to Thor the little grey guy? (I'm guessing, duh, yeah.)
And I'm guessing the mention of the asgard and the like is some kind of foreshadowing.

anyway, 4/5 for this one, 5/5 for Cold Lazarus, 2.5-3/5 on the other episodes on this disc.

ETA: I definitely felt shades of Vala/Cam Mitchell, as in, SG1 has been down this road before. Which is ok. You have Vala, an ex host, and Mitchell who meets a holographic image in a freaky cave from where there doesn't seem to be any exit unless certain things happen. So I guess you could scoff at that but I kinda like the parallels.

AGateFan
August 10th, 2006, 04:28 PM
I thought the same thing. So, plot-wise, no, they couldn't have because it gave Daniel the chance to come to terms with Sha-re's situation--but it did look like Jack should have been able to push Teal'c thru, since he was able to pull him back...unless you can ONLY go back and not thru.

Ok, that works. I'll accept the fact that Teal'c could only go backwards or die if he got pushed thru by Jack.

Actually, I thought this was the 2nd best of this set of episodes (I'm using netflix) and liked Cold Lazarus the best.

I liked this one because we actually had female characters who weren't just helplessly pretty but actually had some gravitas to them. I liked the little bit of something between Kendra and Teal'c, if nothing else, her grudging respect for him. I always like Teal'c and Jack anyway.

A couple of questions from a newbie (ok, maybe more than a couple)

Do we ever see Kendra again?
Is this "Thor" going to have a parallel to Thor the little grey guy? (I'm guessing, duh, yeah.)
And I'm guessing the mention of the asgard and the like is some kind of foreshadowing.

anyway, 4/5 for this one, 5/5 for Cold Lazarus, 2.5-3/5 on the other episodes on this disc.

ETA: I definitely felt shades of Vala/Cam Mitchell, as in, SG1 has been down this road before. Which is ok. You have Vala, an ex host, and Mitchell who meets a holographic image in a freaky cave from where there doesn't seem to be any exit unless certain things happen. So I guess you could scoff at that but I kinda like the parallels.
There is a follow up ep called Thors Chariot. Great ep. Sadly we do not SEE Kendra again but she does get mentioned. And yes it is the same Thor but back in the day you didnt know that. So when you see Thor and his Chariot for the first time.......ahhh it was a sight to behold, gave me chills. :)

esoap524
August 10th, 2006, 04:33 PM
There is a follow up ep called Thors Chariot. Great ep. Sadly we do not SEE Kendra again but she does get mentioned. And yes it is the same Thor but back in the day you didnt know that. So when you see Thor and his Chariot for the first time.......ahhh it was a sight to behold, gave me chills. :)

Ah, too bad about Kendra. I liked both her and the woman they met at the gate.

Thor's Chariot...thanks. I saw it mentioned in the thread. I'm trying to watch them in order, as much as possible. I know who Thor is and that sort of thing from the few pre s-9 episodes I've seen but it's fun to see how it all started out.

jtg
August 16th, 2006, 03:55 AM
Regarding the question of Teal'c making it through the "hammer" and surviving without his symbiot, consider that the hammer is designed to get Goa'ulds through alive, so perhaps it would have also been designed to get jaffa through alive also, by altering jaffa physiology and "healing" them, in a way similar to how Jack was "healed" in the episode where he was briefly made into a jaffa.

jtg :jack:

AGateFan
August 16th, 2006, 04:21 PM
Regarding the question of Teal'c making it through the "hammer" and surviving without his symbiot, consider that the hammer is designed to get Goa'ulds through alive, so perhaps it would have also been designed to get jaffa through alive also, by altering jaffa physiology and "healing" them, in a way similar to how Jack was "healed" in the episode where he was briefly made into a jaffa.

jtg :jack:
Good point. I wonder if anyone bothered to ask Thor. It means they broke his device for no reason.

Then again a Host is generally an unwilling prisoner and when free would likely go their own way. Jaffa have free will now and choose to serve their gods. As miguided as that may be, it would not seem unreasonable that the Jaffa would go report back to his God about the device hoping to gain favor. So Thor would be taking more of a risk to free a jaffa.

lucid_dream
August 27th, 2006, 09:23 AM
OK - I'm a new fan (great timing huh?) But I just recently added SG1 to my life after BSG. Please tell me it gets better than this? Don't get all ruffled here - but I am hoping that future efforts at least try to have the characters act like they would in "real" life! Destroy the Hammer? Lets not even TALK about other ways around it or out? They could have put some kind of time limit on the whole thing where they HAD to make a descion quickly - but from what I can see they just blew it up without even thinking about it. There is no way this would have ever happened. I am starting to enjoy the show - just hopping that it DOES get more thought out as time goes on?

Any other new viewers out there (or old ones who remember feeling this way in the beginning) feel the same way?

esoap524
August 27th, 2006, 10:21 AM
OK - I'm a new fan (great timing huh?) But I just recently added SG1 to my life after BSG. Please tell me it gets better than this? Don't get all ruffled here - but I am hoping that future efforts at least try to have the characters act like they would in "real" life! Destroy the Hammer? Lets not even TALK about other ways around it or out? They could have put some kind of time limit on the whole thing where they HAD to make a descion quickly - but from what I can see they just blew it up without even thinking about it. There is no way this would have ever happened. I am starting to enjoy the show - just hopping that it DOES get more thought out as time goes on?

Any other new viewers out there (or old ones who remember feeling this way in the beginning) feel the same way?

I'm new but I've seen many episodes scattered along the way. I do think it gets more thought out plot-wise. What I find interesting is that I'm 8 or 9 episodes in (I haven't gotten my netflix in yet) and I still don't think I know anything more about the characters than I did when I watched the first episode. Ok...I learned something about Jack and his backstory but I think that was addressed in the movie. Other than that, nothing so far.

I figure that most shows start out a little bumpy, plot-wise, anyway but if the characters are intriguing enough, I'll forgive it. And don't ever expect it to get to BSG writing prorportions because it doesn't. It's not that heavily dramatic life-death-survival of the human race kind of show. That's ok because BSG lacks just about any humor, whereas SG1 is more of a romp by comparison.

But if you're comparing the two--no, SG1 is never going to do plot things the way BSG does. Frankly, Sg1 is more fun but BSG is definitely a better written show.

lucid_dream
August 27th, 2006, 02:18 PM
Thanks for the input. I am enjoying the show - I am simply hoping for (and it looks like it has it to some degree at least) some on-going plot development. So far most episodes feel a lot like the old star trek (start - enemy planet - danger - resolve the problem) and less like STNG or BSG with a growing and evolving world. I am already pretty tired of every planet looking like a "ancient Greek playground" or "mongols run amuk" I really liked "cold Lazarus" - one of the better episodes so far I thought.

Anyway - back to the DVD's!

---Lucid (more or less)

esoap524
August 27th, 2006, 02:38 PM
Thanks for the input. I am enjoying the show - I am simply hoping for (and it looks like it has it to some degree at least) some on-going plot development. So far most episodes feel a lot like the old star trek (start - enemy planet - danger - resolve the problem) and less like STNG or BSG with a growing and evolving world. I am already pretty tired of every planet looking like a "ancient Greek playground" or "mongols run amuk" I really liked "cold Lazarus" - one of the better episodes so far I thought.

Anyway - back to the DVD's!

---Lucid (more or less)

I agree with your assessment but my impression is that more comes along. I haven't gotten much further yet, though. We'll have to check back.

Theimmortaljedi
July 16th, 2007, 02:41 AM
I really like this one. Dan's sacrifice was huge in this one but seemed to be played down. Odd that jack made him be the one to fire the shot. Also I found the in joke funny. They have Darth vader doing a voice in this so they take the line "arn't you a little short to be a storm trooper" from star wars and turn it into "arn't you a little short to be gods?" Great line indeed. lol

plastic
July 16th, 2007, 08:24 AM
i agree that daniel gave up alot in this episode and i was surprised by how much they played it down. :daniel:

overall i think that this episode is quite good not the best in the season but still a great episode to watch :):):)

garhkal
July 16th, 2007, 12:52 PM
True... if i had that 'trap' set up they would have still falen, but into say a repulsor field that held them a few feet below that ledge.

Cheerful Dragon
September 21st, 2007, 07:43 AM
I have a problem with this episode and it's nothing to do with the way they get Teal'c past Thor's Hammer. Just before they go to Cimmeria, SG-1 is given a box designed by the Sagan Institute. Daniel takes the box, walks up the ramp towards the Stargate and gets really close to it. This is where I have a problem. They haven't dialled out yet and the wormhole whooshes a long way down the gate room when it forms. If Daniel stays where he is, he's going to be killed. Daniel knows what happens when the wormhole forms, so why does he walk so far up the ramp? Maybe Michael Shanks was told that they'd already dialled out - that's the only reason I can think of.

That's a minor niggle. On the whole it's a good episode. It's not one of my favourites, but it does hint at the existence of the Asgard.

First
September 23rd, 2007, 04:41 PM
Love the part where they first come through the gate and the locals start laughing at them! Like it's a regular occurance, travellers wanting to rid themselves of gouald/jaffa accomplices.

I liked this ep. It raises plenty of questions, many of which are answered in "Thor's Chariot".

Go the projectile weapons! Gee they would've had a tough time when they first met the unas if they were unarmed!

Vhladynineer
October 20th, 2007, 04:41 AM
Love the part where they first come through the gate and the locals start laughing at them! Like it's a regular occurance, travellers wanting to rid themselves of gouald/jaffa accomplices.

I liked this ep. It raises plenty of questions, many of which are answered in "Thor's Chariot".

Go the projectile weapons! Gee they would've had a tough time when they first met the unas if they were unarmed!

Maybe the locals were laughing because the know what is coming to Goauld. Heh. I mean if you knew what the hammer device could do, you wouldn't be going there in the first place.

I actually love Thor's Hammer and Thor's Chariot. I love it when eps link to each other.

Also, the argument between Carter and Daniel regarding faith in Kendra was interesting. It showed their differences in viewing things, with Carter, a believer in rules and logic while Daniel being more intuitive. Also, it is interesting to see Carter have conflicts with fellow members, not the romantic kind :tealcanime23:. She generally seems to be an inoffensive, stick to the rules yes-person (in the latter seasons more so) IMHO, so seeing her having open arguments with someone is interesting. Of course, with Daniel being non-military, it is less risky to argue with him than with a superior officer in the military.

Vhladynineer
October 20th, 2007, 05:06 AM
To add, I think it was in this episode where Daniel first brought up his theory that the Goual'd were not the gate builders.

Two important aspects of stargate history would be born here, Daniel's theory about the "gate builders" and the Asgard Race being aliens. I guess, he became more comfortable about suggesting the possibility that ancient cultures (aside from egyptian) were actually alien in reality :)

I guess that's why the Asgard were not present in both the AU in "There But For The Grace of God" and "Point of View". The wouldn't have met the Asgard in the first place if the events in this episode never happen. If Daniel hadn't brought up the whole Asgard as alien's theory, the theory of advanced races other than the Goaul'd and Teal's contribution of the Cimmerian gate address then there would be no Asgard. Of course, in these AU's they never even met Teal'c. ;)

Fenrir Foxz
November 6th, 2007, 04:28 PM
this was a good epsiode nice little hint into the asguard

This episode and "Thor's Chariot" really show how great stargate is at building on storylines... laying the foundation then later introducing something fantastic... in this case advanced allies against the go'uld...

Integrabyte
December 29th, 2007, 08:41 AM
This episode and "Thor's Chariot" really show how great stargate is at building on storylines... laying the foundation then later introducing something fantastic... in this case advanced allies against the go'uld...

Could not have said it better myself :). Amazing intro for the Asgard and their tech :D

RobertF
March 2nd, 2008, 04:38 PM
A fun episode - my favorite so far from the first season. I liked the music score for this episode, too. I wonder if the name of the planet, Cimmeria, was a nod to Robert Howard's Conan the Barbarian stories? Also curious about the concrete sluice that Carter and Daniel walk over while being led to the labyrinth by Kendra. Perhaps it was built for a past mining operation in British Columbia?


Question so in the end...when Teal'c goes trugh the hammer Jack tackles him back in. So, couldn't he just pull him out? Or tackle him out from inside?

Good question - my thinking is that O'Neil wanted enough momentum to quickly remove Teal'c from the force field that was pinning him, so tackling him was the best way to get him out.

Another question is why Goauld visitors are transported into the labyrinth in the first place? Why didn't the Asgard position Thor's Hammer at the entrance to the stargate, where it could cook the Goauld as soon as they emerge from the stargate? Maybe the Asgard wanted former System Lords to stew for a while in the labyrinth before walking through the hammer.

Also - could the Goauld could have simply blown up the teleporter device by sending missiles or lasers through the stargate? Granted, this may have upset the treaty with the Asgard, so probably not worth the risk to the Goauld.

Cheerful Dragon
March 2nd, 2008, 09:39 PM
I wonder if the name of the planet, Cimmeria, was a nod to Robert Howard's Conan the Barbarian stories?

'Cimmeria' is an area of Europe mentioned by Herodotus in his 'Histories'. It roughly equates with the Crimea. The Stargate writers are very good at picking up things from history and mythology and working them into the stories. I'm not familiar with the Conan stories, but maybe Robert Howard picked up on the same reference.


Another question is why Goauld visitors are transported into the labyrinth in the first place? Why didn't the Asgard position Thor's Hammer at the entrance to the stargate, where it could cook the Goauld as soon as they emerge from the stargate? Maybe the Asgard wanted former System Lords to stew for a while in the labyrinth before walking through the hammer.

The device that stands near the Stargate and sends Goa'uld to the labyrinth probably needs incoming travellers to get through the 'gate before it can scan them. I'm guessing the labyrinth is some distance from the 'gate, at an unknown location, to prevent attempts at rescue. What bothers me is how far the device is from the 'gate. We have no idea if it scans 360 degrees round itself, or how far out it scans. It also takes a few minutes to start scanning, but possibly that's triggered by the 'gate shutting down and everybody getting clear of the 'gate.


Also - could the Goauld could have simply blown up the teleporter device by sending missiles or lasers through the stargate? Granted, this may have upset the treaty with the Asgard, so probably not worth the risk to the Goauld.

The Goa'uld could only send something through the 'gate to destroy the device if they knew it was there. Teal'c has said that the System Lords would send a reconnaisance party to a planet. If the party didn't return, they wouldn't waste further resources. The only way the Goa'uld could have known about the device would be for a recon party to return - which they couldn't until SG1 destroyed Thor's Hammer. Once that happened, it allowed the Goa'uld to go through and report back, hence the events in Thor's Chariot.

garhkal
March 3rd, 2008, 02:33 PM
Another question is why Goauld visitors are transported into the labyrinth in the first place? Why didn't the Asgard position Thor's Hammer at the entrance to the stargate, where it could cook the Goauld as soon as they emerge from the stargate? Maybe the Asgard wanted former System Lords to stew for a while in the labyrinth before walking through the hammer.

Also - could the Goauld could have simply blown up the teleporter device by sending missiles or lasers through the stargate? Granted, this may have upset the treaty with the Asgard, so probably not worth the risk to the Goauld.

Perhaps they wanted the Gou'ald and Jaffa to feel the pain of isolation before giving them relief from their condition, that way they could go over their mindset and truely understand what they had done..

RobertF
March 3rd, 2008, 06:05 PM
'Cimmeria' is an area of Europe mentioned by Herodotus in his 'Histories'. It roughly equates with the Crimea. The Stargate writers are very good at picking up things from history and mythology and working them into the stories. I'm not familiar with the Conan stories, but maybe Robert Howard picked up on the same reference.

I knew there was a historical Cimmeria somewhere in Eastern Europe - thanks for the reference. Conan hailed from a mountainous land to the north named Cimmeria (close to present day Scandinavia), so Cimmeria seemed an appropriate name in this episode.

Monkeyking66
March 3rd, 2008, 06:20 PM
The thing this does show but not meaning to is it showed the Asgurd weakness. Such as the plant being attack but the Asgurd not doing anything. One more thing I would have like to see them go back to the plant to see how far they have growed. I mean the Asgrud were showing the people how to fixs it and I am petty sure they would have not been able to stop there because of the ageement between the Asgurd and systems lords.

garhkal
March 4th, 2008, 02:55 PM
I also wish we could have gone back there to see how things were progressing since the Asgard revealed themselves properly... Heck, i would like to know how they would receive the news that thor has died..

Cheerful Dragon
March 5th, 2008, 12:40 AM
The thing this does show but not meaning to is it showed the Asgurd weakness. Such as the plant being attack but the Asgurd not doing anything. One more thing I would have like to see them go back to the plant to see how far they have growed. I mean the Asgrud were showing the people how to fixs it and I am petty sure they would have not been able to stop there because of the ageement between the Asgurd and systems lords.

There could be good reason for the Asgard not doing anything when the planet was attacked. The planet had been set up so that its people could develop naturally without outside interference, and that includes the presence of the Asgard. Thor's Hammer was there to make sure the Goa'uld didn't come along and abduct people for use as slaves or hosts. The Asgard didn't foresee somebody coming along and destroying their weapon, so they didn't bother to check that Cimmerians were OK. They came quickly enough once they were informed there was a problem. They would have left soon after, not just because of the agreement, but because their presence would have affected the Cimmerian's development.

I'm not sure how many people on Cimmeria would have seen the Asgard in their true form after SG-1 asked them for help. We know Gairwyn did, but she could have been asked to keep it a secret for the good of her people. They probably wouldn't be told about Thor's death. They don't need to know, so why tell them?

HelloVelo
May 25th, 2008, 03:39 AM
The stargate marketing department should make lunchboxes with the Sagan design. They could include a ZPM shaped thermos.

My rating: 8/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/05/thors-hammer.html

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 01:38 PM
(I have one very large question)

Since the Hammer was destroyed why didn't we send science teams back to study the transportation technology. The SGC's mandate is to seek technology and gain information from different cultures. It seems like the SGC should have either had teams doing check-ups on Cimmeria and the Cimmerians or create a temporary research station in order to study the hammer and look for other signs of the Asgard.

L E E
June 27th, 2008, 08:00 PM
(I have one very large question)

Since the Hammer was destroyed why didn't we send science teams back to study the transportation technology.

In my imagination, this is being done. ;) Except, it was too boring/technical to show.

It is pretty convinient that the vikins know english. lol! i get the reason for this of course.

Once again, Jack proved how loyal he is to his team and what a great leader he is.

I thought that the hammer only kills the goauld and not the host? So, Tealc would have been saved, right? So there really is no reason to destroy the hammer?

captain jake
June 27th, 2008, 09:26 PM
In my imagination, this is being done. ;) Except, it was too boring/technical to show.

It is pretty convinient that the vikins know english. lol! i get the reason for this of course.

Once again, Jack proved how loyal he is to his team and what a great leader he is.

I thought that the hammer only kills the goauld and not the host? So, Tealc would have been saved, right? So there really is no reason to destroy the hammer?

In a later episode SG-1 returns to Cimmeria (I won't say why) and it was the first time anyone from the SGC had been back to that planet.

Without an infant Goa'uld inside Teal'c he would die, a Goa'uld's host could survive but not a Jaffa. (Just in case you don't know, a Jaffa carries an infant Goa'uld in a pouch which provides him with a perfect immune system.)

Pic
July 20th, 2008, 04:39 PM
I think they were just starting story arcs at this point, mostly sticking to the stand-alone episodes up until now. So it makes sense that the plot doesn't take them back there for some time.

I wonder how many story arc plot lines were bandied about and eventually abandoned versus those that were actually followed up on in some manner or another. Some 'people' are visited and never seen or heard from again.

pritnep
July 26th, 2008, 12:35 AM
Probably one of my favourite episodes of season 1 so far. Just a really cool episode filled with mythology, technology, new information about the Goa'uld and hope of an ally to fight the Goa'uld - someone seeming to be more powerful then them.

Learning about the Unas and that they were the first hosts of the Goa'uld was a very interesting part of the episode, probably one of my favourites because he was strong - I'm surprised we don't see more Goa'ulds as Unas (later on in the series).

You really had to feel for Daniel he was very up in the episode about hope for saying his wife and then he had to destroy the very device that could help bring her back to him.

I like how Jack referred to Teal'c as "family". :)

Overall an awesome episode. :D

Cheerful Dragon
July 26th, 2008, 08:39 AM
Learning about the Unas and that they were the first hosts of the Goa'uld was a very interesting part of the episode, probably one of my favourites because he was strong - I'm surprised we don't see more Goa'ulds as Unas (later on in the series).

We see one more in later seasons (can't remember which episodes). I think the Goa'uld moved to humans because they are more agile, more dextrous and generally more intelligent. It's like the difference between apes and humans or neandethals and homo sapiens. (Please don't anybody get started on whether or not neanderthals were intelligent. It's just an example that I'm using because they died out.:S)

pritnep
July 26th, 2008, 04:33 PM
Oh a bit of confusion there, I know we see the Unas again but as far as I'm aware not an Unas Goa'uld. Sorry about that. :)

But like you said us humans are better and lets face it better looking especially since they want people to think they are a God and not a demon/monster. I just thought Unas Goa'uld idea was cool, aspecially with the added strength allowing the Goa'ulds to actually withstand in a fight without the use of technology.

Ulkesh47
July 26th, 2008, 06:21 PM
Oh a bit of confusion there, I know we see the Unas again but as far as I'm aware not an Unas Goa'uld. Sorry about that. :)

In the Season 3 episode "Demons" we see an Unas Goa'uld.

pritnep
July 26th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Oh cool, I couldn't remember I know we see them again just didn't know about Unus Goa'uld. Thanks for that Ulkesh47.

Sorry once again Cheerful Dragon, you were right I stand corrected. :)

RononXSpecialist
November 8th, 2008, 02:23 AM
Lol when "Thor" said there is nothing down here but basic sustenance, I didnt see any sustenance anywhere lol xD

VSS
December 5th, 2008, 07:08 PM
IDK if anyone has mentioned this before- but I just read Douglas Adam's sequel to Hitchhiker's Guide, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

Damned if they don't mention the Asgard in there, (spelled exactly the same) and a hammer, as well. So there wasn't only an homage to Star Wars in this episode! I know the Asgard are the Norse gods but it's funny to find them in two scifi series.
Pretty clever. I find out something new about Stargate every day, it seems.

Cello
December 6th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Actually, in Norse mythology "Asgard" is the land where the gods live. Valhalla, the hall of the heroes, is there. The male gods, such as Odin and Thor, were called the Aesir; the females such as Freyja were called the Asynja.

If you like opera, I urge you to check out Richard Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelungs", a cycle of four works based on Norse mythology. The four titles are "Das Reingold", "Die Walkure", "Siegfried", and "Gotterdamerung". It's a devastating masterpiece, especially if you listen to all four operas back-to-back. After the final note sounds, you will wander about dazed, completely overwhelmed.

gateship15
December 12th, 2008, 04:27 PM
fantastic episode i like the fact that teal'c and o neil destroyed the hammer and when the Asgard built another they made sure that he won't get trapped again

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 08:53 AM
the unas in this episode was just amazing

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 02:34 PM
i was an episode which i watched but didn't really pay attention to. the story was a good one as we see there are other enemies of the goauld out there.

lordofseas
July 30th, 2009, 07:32 PM
I loved how the Asgard myth was introduced. Seeing as they became an extremely prominent race by the end of the SG-1 series, I love their intro. And besides, the episode brought the team closer together, IMHO.

Sp!der
August 16th, 2009, 11:41 AM
this was one of the better season 1 episodes. a great way to introduce the asgard. I love how they use earth mythology and turn them into alien weird stuff. thats awesome. just a great thing to rewatch it. but there isnt much time till universe ;)

abstractrobbie
October 14th, 2009, 01:10 AM
Question about this episode, something that bugged me the first time I saw it, and have just been reminded about it after watching SG1 from the beginning again.
We all know, that when a Stargate is dialled and connects, an energy vortex spews out of the gate before the puddle is formed, and anything caught in the vortex is disintegrated, destroyed, whatever.
This being the case, how is it that at the start of this episode, as they are about to leave for the planet, Daniel, and the MALP are both there on the ramp, well within the proximity of the vortex. So how come they were not vaporised :eek:
You don't actually see the Stargate connect, but still, you know what I mean. An inconsistency here me thinks.

Jaffa Lycosa
November 6th, 2009, 04:07 PM
Actually, in Norse mythology "Asgard" is the land where the gods live. Valhalla, the hall of the heroes, is there. The male gods, such as Odin and Thor, were called the Aesir; the females such as Freyja were called the Asynja.

Actually, all the gods were called the Aesir. And Freyja was actually Vanir, along with her brother Freyr.

Tachyon
November 30th, 2009, 09:49 PM
When I watched this episode for the first time, at first I was sure it was gonna suck. But as I kept watching, I started liking this episode more and more. This is one of the better episodes of the first season for me.

Alder
January 31st, 2010, 10:39 AM
So, I'm doing an informal SG-1 rewatch (informal meaning I'm skipping anything I don't feel like watching, which is quite a few episodes in season one!) and watching Thor's Hammer at the moment.

I enjoy the way that the Asgard are set up, and it's funny watching the hologram of 'Thor' knowing what he's really like. He must've had fun programming that... :D Also, the lovely voice of Darth Vader...*ahem*...James Earl Jones as the Unas. And poor ol' Daniel having to destroy the hammer at the end. :(

mrscopterdoc
January 31st, 2010, 04:39 PM
Question about this episode, something that bugged me the first time I saw it, and have just been reminded about it after watching SG1 from the beginning again.
We all know, that when a Stargate is dialled and connects, an energy vortex spews out of the gate before the puddle is formed, and anything caught in the vortex is disintegrated, destroyed, whatever.
This being the case, how is it that at the start of this episode, as they are about to leave for the planet, Daniel, and the MALP are both there on the ramp, well within the proximity of the vortex. So how come they were not vaporised :eek:
You don't actually see the Stargate connect, but still, you know what I mean. An inconsistency here me thinks.

I noticed that this time too! Other than that this was a great episode.

maneth
March 1st, 2010, 09:05 AM
Loved this episode, even though Daniel destroying the hammer was a bit of an anti-climax. He did it so easily, just one shot of the staff and poof! Even his internal battle wasn't shown much, it can't be fun to know he probably destroyed his only chance of getting his wife back.

Vagabond Serpent
April 2nd, 2010, 08:53 AM
Great episode. A hint on Asgard, almighty race that is feared by Goa'Uld and Jaffa and real appearance of whom we'll see only next season... The Unas in the caves... But I agree that Daniel destroyed Hammer too easily. If I were him, I'd not able to do it...

EDIT: 9/10

SGTB1991
April 5th, 2010, 12:57 PM
I love this episode!! I'm rewatching SG-1 now (just got seasons 1 and 2 on DVD!!), and I'd forgotten how good this episode ones. It's one of those good, old-fashioned, standalone (for now) alien adventure ones (vs. epic battle ones) that is so good because of the characters. Even the minor ones are interesting - I really like Gerwin (however you spell it) in particular. She reminds me a little of Eowyn in LOTR.


But I agree that Daniel destroyed Hammer too easily.

Lol. Yeah. One little staff blast? That's it?! :)

Great ep otherwise.

rushy
July 5th, 2010, 01:10 AM
A cool element about the episode is how Danny and the gang build up on the mythos of the benevolent gods of Viking lore, not knowing a thing about their true nature. And when Jack and Teal'c first find the hologram of Thor within the labyrinth, this armored and beared anceint warrior being starts spouting off about being the Commander of the Asgard Fleet and that Cimmeria was cited under specific articles as a safe world, blah, blah, blah.

They go in expecting some archaic fellow, and they get a guy who sounds a bit more like Jack declaring rank and articles of war rather than some old dead dude talking in old-fashioned diction.

Supreme Commander. Open your ears!

SiNz
August 6th, 2010, 09:32 PM
Best parts of this episode, were the panorama shots! I liked the one when they were going up the waterway.

Cort
September 1st, 2010, 10:05 PM
So, I'm doing an informal SG-1 rewatch (informal meaning I'm skipping anything I don't feel like watching, which is quite a few episodes in season one!) and watching Thor's Hammer at the moment.

I enjoy the way that the Asgard are set up, and it's funny watching the hologram of 'Thor' knowing what he's really like. He must've had fun programming that... :D Also, the lovely voice of Darth Vader...*ahem*...James Earl Jones as the Unas. And poor ol' Daniel having to destroy the hammer at the end. :(

Yea, looking at the hologram and knowing what he's really like... definately fun :P Espicially when he gives the usual line 'I am Thor, Supreme Commander of the Asgard Fleet' in a deep voice - now that is what is wierd. Also, didn't realize until rewatching for the first time (yes, I mean today:o) that James Earl Jones did the voice for the Unas - very nice!

I aslo love the line at the beginning of the episode about Carter and Daniel being a little short for Gods, imagine if it was the Asgard first... not really sure how they would have phrased that then :thoranime09:

Tallifer
September 7th, 2010, 02:47 PM
This story had a good enough story and added a very interesting twist to the universe's mythology and history.

However, although I liked the Viking villagers, I was unimpressed by the Asgardian hologram: he looked a bit ridiculous: perhaps his armour and headress should have combined the Viking look with a more futuristic look.

Also, I have never enjoyed stories set in caves. Veyr claustrophobic, hard to see and generally too serious. I did like the Unas: fantastic new monster and addition to the mythology!

8/10

ChulaksPrincess
March 5th, 2011, 03:59 PM
Wow,! This one was a bit scary. I thought Jack and Teal'c would have to stay in that cage forever. It was touching to see how Jack was willing to give up his own freedom to stay with Teal'c. He could have just walked out, and left Teal'c, but he didn't. That's a true friend.

maylet
July 9th, 2011, 07:46 PM
One of the things that I like about this episode,is the friendship between Jack and Teal'c, he wasn't going to leave him behind no matter what. The hardest part was seeing the pain of Daniel (even after all this time, since I saw the episode years ago) when he had to destroy Thor's Hammer knowing that all he needed to have his wife back, was that "Hammer", once again we the strong friendship all SG-1 has, when Daniel destroys the hammer to save Teal'c. Reall good episode

garhkal
July 16th, 2011, 11:44 AM
You can just see the torment he goes through, trying to figure if it is worth it to save his wife, letting teal'c die..

Dave2
July 28th, 2011, 08:40 AM
If the Asgard with Thor were more powerful than the Goa'ulds, why didn't the Asgard ever destroiy them before Thor's Hammer or Thor's Chariot? Even in ancient times when the Asgards had also visited Earth, presumably when the goa'ulds were around here?

Dave2
July 28th, 2011, 07:08 PM
If the Asgards were protecting Earth from the Goa,ulds, then why was Earth on the edge of destruction by the ships of Apophis and Korel? Where were the Asgards? And where were they and Master Brata'c in the alternative reality discovered by Daniel?

Starfox1313
July 29th, 2011, 02:02 PM
The asgaurd weren't protecting earth yet. It cam much later in the series that they were offically under the protection of the asgaurd. What I want to know is why do the knox and the Tolans put up with the gao'uld. They had the ability to eliminate them quickly. I know they are peacfull races but the goa'uld are doing such evil that those who have the power to stop them and don't are just to blame

Zaany
August 3rd, 2011, 11:17 AM
Great episode, not as good as meeting the asgard but still :) Also showed how strong the relationships between the characters are and are gonna be in the future.

blueray
August 4th, 2011, 11:22 AM
this is a good episode, it is kind of weird to watch it knowing who the asgard are, and more importantly who thor is, so its kind of funny when they keep referencing him involving weather (which he obveosly isn't).

ChulaksPrincess
August 7th, 2011, 04:40 PM
I actually found it funny when Jack told Daniel to dile the gate before it rains, or something like that. The samarians were good people. Too bad we only saw them and their world in two episodes.

poundpuppy29
August 8th, 2011, 06:20 AM
I liked this ep thought it was very interesting loved Daniel as always loved the debate between Sam and Daniel thought it was good

Starmover
August 9th, 2011, 07:21 AM
I liked this episode a lot. I remember this is where a good series started to become a very good series. Episodes like this gets a person asking more questions about what's going on out there. I was still annoyed about Sam being annoyed with Kendra throughout the episode. Everytime she tried helping, Sam would have that look, like they were wasting time. I liked Kendra, she was a strong character. I also liked when T'ealc asked Jack "Are you considering the same tactic as I?". I'm going to use that phrase myself when I need to sometime in the future. BTW, I think the MALP was too far up the ramp when the left at the begining. It would've been vaporized by the kawoosh. It was off camera, so maybe they backed it up lol. :hammond04:

dtheories
August 9th, 2011, 08:49 AM
I was still annoyed about Sam being annoyed with Kendra throughout the episode.

Sam was just annoying, period! Stubborn, belligerent, selfish, closed minded. Being an annoying little brat led to the twins' first spat! The journey aspect of this ep for the development of their relationships was epoch! And all the firsts! Acknowledging that someone other than the Gou'ald built the 'gate; learning that the Asgard had little respect for human projectile weapons; the Unas being the first Gou'ald hosts; learning that the host could survive and that not all Gou'ald technology was bad. But Kendra and Daniel definitely make this episode worth while. One of my favs.

muziqaz
August 9th, 2011, 11:18 AM
daniel killed me when Jack said to dial home when Thor's hammer started to build up an energy. Why? :D kid might behave like that, not a mature person.
Jack: Daniel, dial back home, now!
Daniel: Why? :D
A little while later:
Daniel: I think this is Thor's hammer.

You THINK???? :)))

What about those weather anomalies/signs. Was Asgard monitoring the planet closely? Though I suppose they could If they detect, that someone stepped through the gate or gate was activated) they will send one ship to investigate.

jlovette
August 9th, 2011, 11:55 AM
There used to be an assistant principal at the middle school I teach at who always got frustrated trying to pronounce difficult names. Because of the that, I love Jack's, "Come on, let's go find this Hall of Mo-hair."

Does anyone know if there was a plan from the beginning to bring the Asgard in the way they would later, or was it decided after this episode was made? Either way, I liked this episode a lot. It is one of my favorites of the season.

juggernaut975
August 9th, 2011, 01:41 PM
Favorite episode thus far.

The best way I can describe this episode is to call it Torment of Tantalus Part 0, Thor's Hammer lays that first seed that everything else grows from. There have been bigger episodes and season ending cliff-hangers but I can't think of too many episodes that have been any more significance than this one. The opening five minutes establishes that it wasn't the Goa'uld who built the Stargates, that there may be aliens who were benefactors of mankind and that they should be found and an alliance be made, huge stuff to fit into the first 1/2 of the first season.

Starmover
August 9th, 2011, 04:53 PM
What about those weather anomalies/signs. Was Asgard monitoring the planet closely? Though I suppose they could If they detect, that someone stepped through the gate or gate was activated) they will send one ship to investigate.

I was thinking the Asgard may have had a ship, or station in orbit, working the thunder anytime they needed to push Kendra in the right direction. Maybe SGC using the stargate alerted the Asgardians, and they took notice of us, and they were just observing at the time. It also could've been time for it to rain, and it was all coincidence lol

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 10th, 2011, 06:31 PM
Slightly better than average episode. The groundwork for good old Thor:thoranime07: is set.

Tomorrow begins Disc 3, and first great SG-1 episode, "The Torment of Tantalus."

Starscape91
August 10th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Loved this episode showed the great relationship between Jack and Teal'c. Plus the beginning of the Asgard and Unas.

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 11th, 2011, 12:04 AM
Not a bad ep. Great teaser at what's to come.

I liked the look on Teal'cs face when he realised what a huge sacrifice Daniel was making for him.

Jae'a
August 11th, 2011, 07:55 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/3743.html)
"You're a little short for gods." :lol: Maybe they should show them an Asgard later! :P

Seeing an Unas makes me impatient to see The First Ones again, which is my fave ep. Gotta love Chaka. :D

Krisz
August 11th, 2011, 02:55 PM
This is one of my favourite episodes of the first season. Daniel delving further into Earth's mythology to explain other benevolent aliens and the possibility of meeting them.

Little did we know on first watching this how many of the future events in SG-1 came from the ideas introduced in this one episode, it was really "packed full of jam." as Vala would say! It was great to see again and recall what was to come.

I wondered too if the Asgard were alerted by the 'Hammer' activating. I was wondering when Kendra was hesitating as to why she should help the team rescue Jack and Teal'c she becomes certain that she should,

KENDRA: The Valkyrie ride the wind. They want me to help you. They say you speak the truth. They tell me…that I must take you there.

Did the Asgard note at this time that this was the first time humans had left Earth and started using the Stargate, having studied them as we find out later, and could this have been their first scan of Jack and saw that there was something different about him but not sure what at that time? Perhaps it was this first encounter with their technology that renewed the Asgard interest in Earth and these humans that made the first steps into the galaxy, especially on probably seeing how selflessly they behaved with not leaving Teal'c behind.

It's the early episodes like this that got me hooked and kept me watching, putting so many great possibilities for adventure out there with a team of characters I cared more about what happened to them with every episode that went by!

majorsal
August 11th, 2011, 03:14 PM
Sam was just annoying, period! Stubborn, belligerent, selfish, closed minded. Being an annoying little brat led to the twins' first spat! The journey aspect of this ep for the development of their relationships was epoch! And all the firsts! Acknowledging that someone other than the Gou'ald built the 'gate; learning that the Asgard had little respect for human projectile weapons; the Unas being the first Gou'ald hosts; learning that the host could survive and that not all Gou'ald technology was bad. But Kendra and Daniel definitely make this episode worth while. One of my favs.

WHAT?! :rolleyes: :p

Brother Freyr
August 11th, 2011, 06:51 PM
Little did we know on first watching this how many of the future events in SG-1 came from the ideas introduced in this one episodeYou're so right. Thor. The Asgard. Asgard protection of planets. The Unas. Confirmation that goa'uld can be removed and that the host's mind survives. It's a LOT of new, momentous information.


KENDRA: The Valkyrie ride the wind. They want me to help you. They say you speak the truth. They tell me…that I must take you there.

Did the Asgard note at this time that this was the first time humans had left Earth and started using the Stargate, having studied them as we find out later, and could this have been their first scan of Jack and saw that there was something different about him but not sure what at that time? Perhaps it was this first encounter with their technology that renewed the Asgard interest in Earth and these humans that made the first steps into the galaxy, especially on probably seeing how selflessly they behaved with not leaving Teal'c behind.Hehe. I think you've gotten a little carried away. Seems pretty clear to me that the Asgard aren't in orbit around Sameria and aren't aware of the events that transpire in Thors Hammer. The Asgard would have repaired the hammer, not left the planet open to attack. As for Kendra and her Valkyrie, she's just superstitious (which is a flaw in the script-writing, as she should have learned better during her years as a goa'uld host).

No, the Asgard's interest in Earth is renewed (and their focus turned to Jack) after The Fifth Race. Jack saunters into their home galaxy with the Ancients' repository of knowledge in his brain. THAT caught their attention! An Asgard in that episode says they didn't realize until that moment that any human's physiology had evolved to a state capable of receiving the Ancients' repository.

It's easy to get carried away. :)

Nindif
August 12th, 2011, 01:58 AM
Sam was just annoying, period! Stubborn, belligerent, selfish, closed minded. Being an annoying little brat led to the twins' first spat!


WHAT?! :rolleyes: :p


Not a bad ep. Great teaser at what's to come.

I liked the look on Teal'cs face when he realised what a huge sacrifice Daniel was making for him.

Just an OK ep. If the whole 'Thor' and asgard mythology didn't eventuate to play such a large role in the series this ep as a standalone would be very weak. The ongoing mythology strengthens it.

I agree that Sam seemed a little lost in this Ep. Didn't really have a role to play and so just decided to question the motives of Daniel.

I also loved Tealc's expression at that moment. Very profound what Daniel did.

Pretty standard ep otherwise.

LeftHandedGuitarist
August 12th, 2011, 09:57 AM
The strongest episode of the first season so far, doing what Stargate does best though still a little unsure of itself compared to what the show would become. The Unas is brilliant and anything where James Earl Jones does the voice work immediately steps up a few notches on the coolness scale. The one in this episode did look somewhat different to other Unas, and I assume he was considerably older (and also the design went through revisions later on). I don't know why, but any Unas episode generally ranks amongst my favourites, and I wish we had seen more of them in SG-1. I'm sure shooting the Unas in the head, and then maybe bashing it in with a rock would have killed him a lot quicker, but this is a family show so can't do that!

As someone else mentioned, Carter seemed strangely whiney in this episode, but its clear she feels frustrated at losing O'Neill and having to place trust in someone else's methods to finding him again. I liked the moments between her and Daniel, though, as he makes his impassioned arguments to her.

This is probably the first episode where I felt Teal'c/Christopher Judge really began to settle into the role. I love the way he delivers the "you do not exist" line, and the expression on his face as he realises that Jack won't leave him and Daniel is willing to destroy the device to save him. Still waiting for the first utterance of, "indeed".

That said, realistically they could have left the machine intact, told Teal'c to wait then come back with more help and equipment and dug through the cave walls at the side to release him! Teal'c free, machine still working. Problem solved! I'm also surprised at how easily the machine was destroyed, one little staff blast and it's dead.

- A mysterious aspect to this episode is the thunder rumbling whenever Kendra needed guidance, it goes a bit unexplained and knowing what we know later of the Asgard, it's not really the sort of thing they do
- I'd forgotten how General Hammond pronounces "Guwld" with his heavy accent
- Not the greatest depiction of a Viking community, clearly budget issues again but I loved the water aqueduct

Rating: 8 out of 10

hlndncr
August 12th, 2011, 02:01 PM
I'm not crazy about this episode. I think it's rather slow and boring. It is definitely the best of the Unas episodes, but IMO that's not saying much. I would be happy if, as Jack later pointed out, Unas meant ONE!

I don't have any problem with Sam's attitude and I don't think she was a bratt. She's a young Captain who unexpectedly finds half her team, including her CO, missing. She's anxious to do whatever needs to be done to get them back. Her concern is for the team and the mission. Meanwhile, Daniel's whole focus is on himself, his own loss, and Sha're. Maybe Daniel still would have been patient with and interested in Kendra's experience if he didn't have a personal stake, but that really is what's driving him in this instance.

I also think that the thunder and such has nothing to do with the Asgard. It is how Kendra has chosen to interpret it. I think Sam as a soldier and a scientist is naturally going to be skeptical and impatient with such seeming nonsense. She also thinks it's very possible that Kendra's lost her reason after what she experienced as a goa'uld host. So Sam doesn't entirely trust her.

Makes future episodes where Sam comes back after being an unwilling host herself, even more provocative. One more reason I wish Kendra had not died. I would have loved to see how she and Sam would interact after Jolinar.

I like that this episode highlights the differences between Sam and Daniel (they aren't just the inseperable science twins). They do have real disagreements on how they view the world.



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Krisz
August 12th, 2011, 02:38 PM
You're so right. Thor. The Asgard. Asgard protection of planets. The Unas. Confirmation that goa'uld can be removed and that the host's mind survives. It's a LOT of new, momentous information.

Hehe. I think you've gotten a little carried away. Seems pretty clear to me that the Asgard aren't in orbit around Sameria and aren't aware of the events that transpire in Thors Hammer. The Asgard would have repaired the hammer, not left the planet open to attack. As for Kendra and her Valkyrie, she's just superstitious (which is a flaw in the script-writing, as she should have learned better during her years as a goa'uld host).

No, the Asgard's interest in Earth is renewed (and their focus turned to Jack) after The Fifth Race. Jack saunters into their home galaxy with the Ancients' repository of knowledge in his brain. THAT caught their attention! An Asgard in that episode says they didn't realize until that moment that any human's physiology had evolved to a state capable of receiving the Ancients' repository.

It's easy to get carried away. :)

It's just a thing that struck me as I rewatched it, it's sort of funny how you can view certain things in the early episodes with the knowledge of what's to come and think, hmmmmm. Yep, one of my fun getting carried away moments there! :) The Fifth Race is one of my top ten episodes of the series, more wonderful revelations in that!!

Noxbait
August 12th, 2011, 08:10 PM
I always enjoy this episode. I think it showcased the developing friendship of the guys. (Sam was almost left on the fringe of this one, she was out of sorts with losing her CO and having Daniel push on her continually. She didn't have as much experience dealing with him like Jack did). Anyway...I loved how Jack grabbed at Teal'c and proved his loyalty and friendship with him throughout the episode. Of course, the key moment of him having Daniel destroy the hammer, I think, showed how much he was striving to build his team, as well as give Daniel the autonomy to make a serious decision that was going to affect him for some time. It was sad how hopeful he was throughout the episode (more eager and excited than usual) and then to have it end the way it did. This is one of the better S1 episodes all around and a good example of the friendship that makes SG1 so great!

Matt G
August 13th, 2011, 02:12 PM
Another Sunday...another SG1 episode.

1. Word of the Viking gods as potential allies...my eyes lit up. I knew zippo of Egytian mythology prior to the original movie but I knew of the Viking gods due to a primary school project best part of a decade before watching this ep. Thor, Odin and Loki as allies of Earth? Allriiiight! :)

2. Slight problem, Teal'c's symbiote made things complicated.

3. Unas. Good enough bad guy given the circumstances.

4. So...hosts can be freed from the Goa'uld, my thoughts were similar to Daniel's at this point.

5. Mixed emotions at seeing Daniel have to toast the Hammer. I liked Jack's and his building friendship but didn't feel I knew Teal'c 'that' well yet. I was certainly rooting for Daniel to free Shar're though. It was for the best but...it still felt that this wasn't exactly a win for SG1 and I wasn't sure at this point about the future of the Earth-Asgard relationship.

Still, a fun ep.

garhkal
August 13th, 2011, 03:46 PM
If the Asgard with Thor were more powerful than the Goa'ulds, why didn't the Asgard ever destroiy them before Thor's Hammer or Thor's Chariot? Even in ancient times when the Asgards had also visited Earth, presumably when the goa'ulds were around here?

As we saw in SGA being more powerful does not help if the enemy has numbers on their side. The Asgard were more potent in 1 on 1, heck 5 on 1 battles, but when the gou'ald could more than likely field fleets of 40+ ships and troops, attrition will wear them down. Plus they had the replicators to worry about.

chaddergate
August 14th, 2011, 07:02 AM
Loved this episode showed the great relationship between Jack and Teal'c. Plus the beginning of the Asgard and Unas.

Agreed, loved the episode....and loved the start of finding out about Thor!!

MylittleEli
August 14th, 2011, 03:12 PM
wow...ok so my box set is in a totally different order...confusing.

I remember loving this episode the first few times through. And although I LOVE the Asgard, I have to say I'm not as stoked about this one for the 4th time through! I also am always a little mad that they were so close to finding a way of riding people of their Goaul'd parasites. Oh well, on to Torment of Tantalus...naked old Ernest is always a hoot!

Traveler Enroute1
August 14th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Stargate Rewatch episodes: 101 - 105, 106, 107,108, 109

Thor's Hammer

First and foremost, the memory of this episode that jumped out at me: James Earl Jones - the voice! I thought that was so cool that they scored a guest spot with him. Maybe the dialogue wasn't always up to his talent but it sure gave that mug on the Unas a big up-tick when he was onscreen!

I liked this episode for upping the level of team bonding, introducing a new and friendly people and a lot of angst. We learn that The First Ones were hosts to the Goa'uld before humans, and that, according to this one, they reveled in their fearsome strength and visage. At least until we pretty humans came along; poor Kendra. Apparently a symbiote can exist in almost any life form with a usable body.

Nicely written. The juxtaposition of Sam and Daniel's journey outdoors with the claustrophobic semi-darkness of the Hammer's domain was effective. Noticed that sometimes Jack and Teal'c walked corridors, and other times naked cave passages. Did the Asgard know that one of the Goa'uld had survived, and that any host they wanted to save would be doomed anyway?

Also an emotional note, when Jack reluctantly tells Daniel that he has to disable the Hammer in order for Teal'c to leave. Daniel's heartfelt plea to save the device in hopes of bringing Sha're to cure was a hard moment for all of them. When Daniel tells Teal'c, the alien he's just chosen to save in place of his wife, that "at least we know it works," I definitely felt that. Jack did, too. They all know the sacrifice their teammate made for the other.

Additionally:




Thor's Hammer kills the Goa'uld but not the host. But a jaffa wouldn't survive if the Hammer killed its symbiote. Apparently having a grown Goa'uld doesn't result in immuno-suppression. We know later that the Goa'uld can fatally poison its host if it senses attempts to remove it, however.


Favorite line: Jack: "We just got the answering machine." After discovering Thor is a hologram.


Thank goodness for Tau'ri projectile weapons; the Goa'uld and the Asgard didn't see that coming!


First glimpse of the First One was marvelously chilling; I imagined it reeked. And when it took the bullets out of its body, greenish goo - yuk. But great make up although I liked the look of the later Unas (Chaka).


Why doesn't Sam notify the SGC for back up before taking the trek with Gairwyn?


Love this interplay with Sam and Daniel. Sam becomes Jack, taking the military mindset and taking a more practical view of their situation. She's much firmer than we've seen her with Daniel, pressing for cold-minded focus than his feelings. Her impatience is striking, obviously being thrust into command was on her mind. And it seems she has a temper when situations prod her.


Jack and Teal'c make a very effective defense/offense team. Here was Jack's affirmation of Teal'c as friend, teammate, and someone they won't leave behind. Teal'c was prepared to give his life to defeat the Unas and thus save Jack.


A lot of firsts in this episode. Thor's Hammer gave us the first glimpse of the Protected Planets as told by the image of Thor. There is also a portent that the destruction of the Hammer may be problematic in the future; note the camera over Gairwyn's shoulder as the team departs through the gate. Safe, really?


This ep got me further hooked into the show. Rate 3.5/5

garhkal
August 15th, 2011, 02:11 PM
Nice review...

jelgate
August 17th, 2011, 04:53 PM
I love episodes that use the Asgard and while this isn't really an Asgard episode its a prelude to them so its a plus for me. Normally I loathe Unas episodes but this is the exception. Maybes its the actor but how he taunts Teal'c is just well done couplied with what looks like fear from the Jaffa makes for some dramatic acting. On the other end Kendra annoyed me as a character. I can't put my finger on it but thier something about her personality that annoys me. Although Daniel's interest in the Hammar to save Sha're is compelling and it speaks to me when he destroys it to save his friends. Shows where his morals are at

lostmonkey70
October 8th, 2011, 03:12 PM
I really liked this episode. The Unas was actually a pretty good villain for the amount of time he was given, and I'm a little sad we didn't really see any other Goa'uld with Unas hosts considering they seem to have a pretty big upside.

On the other hand, not a huge fan of the Netflix version of SG-1 as this is the third episode out of order already...

moondragon
October 13th, 2011, 04:44 PM
This was definitely one of my favorite episodes of the season. O'neill and Teal'c definitely bond while trying to find the exit. It also shows how much Teal'c has become part of the team. The struggle for Daniel when destroying Thor's Hammer was very evident. You could see his pain for having to destroy Sha're and Skaara's chance to be freed from the gould. You also see how grateful Teal'c is to Daniel for making such a huge sacrifice. The episode also has some great lines "I think we got the answering machine".

It's also great to see how many things from this one episode would eventually be revisited:
*Thor and the protection of certain planets
*The Unas
*Hammer is now broken, problems later

Dumdidu
November 13th, 2011, 03:51 AM
I like the north mythology and so i like this episode too ;).
The Unas looked very scary and i am pity of tealc as he fight with the goauld. disgusting.

At first i have false thougts about this episode. i have thought, that thor is coming with a spaceship on the end of these episode but no ^^.

Dimes
December 21st, 2011, 10:32 AM
I really like the episode(s) about Thor. Think it maybe is because i'm from Norway and it's interesting to see the old mythology become alien, haha. Teal'c got accepted by Dr. Daniel Jackson as well, good episode!

Darian
July 2nd, 2012, 11:01 PM
I liked this episode for its introduction to the Asgard

Darkland
July 17th, 2012, 07:13 PM
Great episode, loved the introduction of the asguard myself.
One thing I don't get why did Thor send a hologram on the planet instead of himself? I know it sound stupid to you lot, but I'm just watching season one for the first time.

Brother Freyr
July 17th, 2012, 09:56 PM
One thing I don't get why did Thor send a hologram on the planet instead of himself?He did both, no? He communicated immediately via the hologram interface but also raced to the planet in his ship.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 18th, 2012, 08:50 AM
He did both, no? He communicated immediately via the hologram interface but also raced to the planet in his ship.

Not in Thor's Hammer, he didn't. At this point, Darkland hasn't met the Asgard (they don't actually appear until Fifth Race

Seaboe

Brother Freyr
July 18th, 2012, 08:52 AM
Ah, oops, that 's right. Sorry, Darkland.

hedwig
July 18th, 2012, 10:57 AM
Not in Thor's Hammer, he didn't. At this point, Darkland hasn't met the Asgard (they don't actually appear until Fifth Race

Seaboe

The hologam of Thor, himself, appears in Thor's Chariot (Season 2) (and talks to Sam, Daniel and Gairwyn), which comes before Fifth Race.

Darkland
July 18th, 2012, 10:58 PM
Thanks for that guys.
And don't worry Brother Freyr , all is good :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 19th, 2012, 06:23 AM
Oops, got 'em backward (5th Race & Thor's Chariot). Sorry.

Seaboe

Zaany
August 10th, 2012, 04:42 AM
Probably my favorite episode of the season, has significant character and relationship development between the team and has no annoying characters or other faactors.

Major_Clanger
September 23rd, 2012, 07:11 AM
not a bad ep, got to love the Viking stuff, but I thought Jack made a questionable decision (destroying the hammer and thus leaving the planet open to the Goa'uld) in very quick time.

The first of many questionable decisions. And that's why I loved this series at the beginning.

fems
September 23rd, 2012, 08:07 AM
not a bad ep, got to love the Viking stuff, but I thought Jack made a questionable decision (destroying the hammer and thus leaving the planet open to the Goa'uld) in very quick time.

The first of many questionable decisions. And that's why I loved this series at the beginning.

I completely understood his decision and support it; as a matter of fact, I don't think it's questionable at all since the Goa'uld would never have to know about the device being destroyed. I still have no idea how they found it, since this planet was supposed to fall under the protected planets treaty between the Asgard and the Goa'uld, so why would a Goa'uld send a few of his Jaffa there every once in a while to see if the thing is still working, knowing any kind of attack would incur the wrath of the feared Asgard upon them?

Major_Clanger
September 23rd, 2012, 08:13 AM
it's questionable because it potentially exposes a planet to the Goa'uld in return for the life of one person. That's questionable in anyone's book.

The rationale (delivered only after the action) was that the Goa'uld would believe the Hammer to still be in action, and that the Summarians could, in any case, bury the gate and prevent their arrival. I agree with that assessment, as it happens.

But I do question the decision being made by offworlders without consulting the Summarians first.

SF_and_Coffee
September 23rd, 2012, 08:17 PM
Cimmeria is a really interesting case, isn't it? Our first glimpse of a human-populated planet whose ties are not to the Goa'uld but rather to the Asgard.

garhkal
September 28th, 2012, 10:05 PM
But I do question the decision being made by offworlders without consulting the Summarians first.

Take a look at many other eps.. we took action/made decisions a lot of times that affected whole planets worth of people without consulting the people there... part n parcel of human (earthlings) ego...

Major_Clanger
September 30th, 2012, 07:59 AM
and every time I'll object to it - fact is that I'm watching from the beginning and this was the first time we saw something like that
:D

tlw
October 20th, 2012, 11:12 AM
Why couldn't Sam, Daniel, and Kendra take Jack and Teal'c back through the secret door they had come? Or did it lie beyond the hammer portal?

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 22nd, 2012, 07:09 AM
They came in through the door that Jack peeked through just before Teal'c got caught in the hammer. So yes, it lay beyond the hammer portal.

Seaboe

ngewakl
December 14th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Holy Ori! I just noticed that the Unas's voice was Darth Vader! This is what re-watching stargate does. I shows you things you never noticed before! Great episode!

Vagabond Serpent
January 18th, 2013, 09:30 AM
This episode is worth watching for Teal'c's facial expression during the "you do not exist!" scene alone :lol: And I think Daniel was lucky - he either hit crucial circuit or a power source, because the Hammer went offline after a single random aimed shot. On the other hand, though, Asgard probably never had an idea that somebody would try attacking the device from the outerside.

Oh, somebody, please send Unas a pair of nail clippers :P

GusF
March 31st, 2013, 08:38 AM
This is a very important episode in the series' early development. Not only did it establish the existence of the Asgard prior to their debut in Season Two but it also proved conclusively that the host's personality survives (which was only hinted at in "The Enemy Within"), features the first reference to the System Lords and is the first episode to suggest that the Goa'uld did not create the Stargates.

Aside from its importance, it's also a wonderful episode in terms of quality. The two storylines complement each other well and Kendra is a very engaging character, probably one of the most important one-off characters in the series' history as the ramifications of learning that something of the host survives would resonate throughout the rest of the series. It's a shame that she did not return in "Thor's Chariot". I also really liked the scenes in the labyrinth in which Jack and Teal'c confront Unas as, aside from being well written and acted, they provide more insight into Goa'uld history with the revelation that they once took hosts which were far more formidable than humans.

The scene in which Daniel has to decide to destroy the Hammer is probably my favourite of the episode as you can tell how torn he is between potentially being able to save Sha're and Skaara and saving Teal'c then and there. It's a nice early example of how much the team already meant to each other, best exemplified by Jack's statement that Teal'c is "part of this family now."

Falcon Horus
May 17th, 2013, 07:55 AM
Norse mythology - yay! I love it!

Not much to say here except that I really like this episode cause you know norse mythology. :D

First time we hear of Thor and the Asgard. And it's rather ironic that it's Daniel who destroys Thor's hammer, the one thing that at this point could save Sha're and Ska'ra.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 11th, 2013, 06:56 AM
Another of my favorites from season 1. I like this episode much better than Thor's Chariot (which is also very good, just not as much to my taste). What I notice here is ... The Dress. A lot of fuss is made over the dress in Emancipation, which you can at least pretend is silk (a fabric they might have access to), but this dress is clearly knit velour, a fabric no non-industrial society would have (or want). Then there's the lace. Remember, this is a society where every piece of lace would have to be made by hand. There's a lot of lace on that dress. I guess that's what Kendra spends all her lonely time doing--making lace. That probably wouldn't leave her much time for fuel, food or shelter, but what the heck.

Seaboe

fems
September 11th, 2013, 09:28 AM
Another of my favorites from season 1. I like this episode much better than Thor's Chariot (which is also very good, just not as much to my taste). What I notice here is ... The Dress. A lot of fuss is made over the dress in Emancipation, which you can at least pretend is silk (a fabric they might have access to), but this dress is clearly knit velour, a fabric no non-industrial society would have (or want). Then there's the lace. Remember, this is a society where every piece of lace would have to be made by hand. There's a lot of lace on that dress. I guess that's what Kendra spends all her lonely time doing--making lace. That probably wouldn't leave her much time for fuel, food or shelter, but what the heck.

Seaboe

Maybe Kendra still had it from her Goa'uld days? Or perhaps she traveled through the gate on occasion to shop :P

AsgardGirl
September 15th, 2014, 05:24 AM
Not “killing everything” Vikings, first appetence of Thor and Unas, labyrinth and wandering around the forest, what not to love.
Just keep thinking while watching the episode: What would Daniel and Sam do if it was a sunny day?

prismeagle
June 11th, 2015, 02:00 AM
There is another aspect of this episode that in terms of mythology is overshadowed by the Norse Mythology at the surface.

In Greek Mythology, there was in Crete a labyrinth where the Minotaur was imprisoned and killed and ate anyone who went in there. It was later killed by Theseus.

Kendra referred to the prison as the labyrinth (hint)
The Goa'uld-possessed Unas would be the equivalent of the Minotaur.



The aspect of Norse mythology that you don't see immediately was the stone with the engraved rune on it.
The Rune is Loki's Symbol. Loki Lied to Thor about his activities that were connected to the Roswell Incident in 1947 and so Thor did not realize what transpired in 1947 until O'Neill brought up the controversy concerning Roswell, NM 1947 UFO incident and Thor was forced to drop the assertion that their ships had never been detected near earth before and realized Loki did something worse than he confessed to at the time.

If you want more about Loki's mischief connected with the Roswell Incident then read the novel: "Stargate SG-1: Roswell

maneth
August 10th, 2015, 07:58 PM
I really enjoyed this episode, even if there are a few things that bother me.

Why was it necessary to have Daniel Jackson destroy the hammer? Obviously Teal'c was out of the question, but either Carter or O'Neill could have done it just as easily, without the profound emotional agony that Jackson went through thanks to the consequences of this for his wife or Skaara. For all I know, Jackson might have had access to a Jaffa staff weapon during his stay on Abydos, but it would seem logical for at least the SG-1 team to learn to use the staff weapon reasonably proficiently in an emergency, and for other SG teams to at least know how to use one if necessary.

At the start of the episode, O'Neill and the terrain vehicle carrying their gear were halfway up the ramp before the whoosh :samanime27: and the iris was open. They didn't show the gate opening, but standard procedure would dictate staying off the ramp until the gate was open.

I would have liked to see more of Kendra in later episodes...

hedwig
August 11th, 2015, 12:52 PM
I think Jack's reasoning about why Daniel had to do it was because Teal'c had taken Daniel's wife, and for Daniel to really accept Teal'c as part of the team, it had to be him that destroyed the hammer.

maneth
August 12th, 2015, 07:19 PM
Hedwig, that makes perfect sense. Thanks!

Anja
September 6th, 2015, 05:39 AM
There is but one question: Why did O'Neill pull Teal'c back from the "hammer" instead of pushing him through? No destruction would have been necessary!

Falcon Horus
September 6th, 2015, 06:53 AM
There is but one question: Why did O'Neill pull Teal'c back from the "hammer" instead of pushing him through? No destruction would have been necessary!

Because Teal'c can't live without his symbiote, and the hammer would have killed Junior for sure.

Anja
September 7th, 2015, 01:03 AM
Killing the symbiote in the Unas took quite some time - pushing Teal'c through would have lasted a split of a second.

Falcon Horus
September 7th, 2015, 03:53 AM
Killing the symbiote in the Unas took quite some time - pushing Teal'c through would have lasted a split of a second.

But the Hammer would have killed Junior, and Teal'c needs it to survive.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 8th, 2015, 11:12 AM
Killing the symbiote in the Unas took quite some time - pushing Teal'c through would have lasted a split of a second.

You're assuming the Hammer would've let go of Teal'c before Junior died, and that Jack was physically strong enough to force the Hammer to let go of Teal'c. There's no evidence either is true.

Anja
September 9th, 2015, 12:04 PM
He was strong enough to pull him out - why not push him through? Just a thought.

Britta
September 9th, 2015, 12:15 PM
Perhaps because the hammer will let you retreat back into the hall, but won't allow you forward until the symbiote is dead.

garhkal
September 9th, 2015, 10:54 PM
Perhaps because the hammer will let you retreat back into the hall, but won't allow you forward until the symbiote is dead.
Exactly. IMO the 'gate' in the hammer has its own blocker on that won't let symbiots go through till dead.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 10th, 2015, 06:12 AM
There's also the fact that the door on the other side won't open if there's a symbiote to go through (as shown by the scene where, while they were fighting the Unas, the door was closed so Daniel & Sam couldn't help).

Seaboe

Tyrathraxus
June 13th, 2016, 11:24 PM
One of my favorites from Season 1. Whoever they got to play Kendra was great.. it was a shame she never appeared again. We learned of the host personality, got some really awesome scenery, met an UNAS, had James Earl Jones providing the voice and it was one of the first major Oneill and Teal'c stories.

Bhousden
November 28th, 2016, 07:44 PM
If the Asgard with Thor were more powerful than the Goa'ulds, why didn't the Asgard ever destroiy them before Thor's Hammer or Thor's Chariot? Even in ancient times when the Asgards had also visited Earth, presumably when the goa'ulds were around here?

They were too busy fighting a losing war with the replicators.

Falcon Horus
November 29th, 2016, 12:46 AM
The Asgard had a deal with the Goa'uld -- a mutual agreement about protected planets. They had no quarrel with them unless they broke the deal.

Bhousden
November 29th, 2016, 01:45 AM
The Asgard had a deal with the Goa'uld -- a mutual agreement about protected planets. They had no quarrel with them unless they broke the deal.

Until Anubis challenged Thor with upgraded shields, most likely the result of the knowledge of the ancients he had. After which Osiris saying that the Asgard were no longer a threat to them.

Falcon Horus
November 29th, 2016, 02:23 AM
Until Anubis challenged Thor with upgraded shields, most likely the result of the knowledge of the ancients he had. After which Osiris saying that the Asgard were no longer a threat to them.

Anubis was a challenge to all, not just the Asgard. :p

One of my favorite Egyptian gods too.

Bhousden
November 29th, 2016, 03:23 AM
Anubis was a challenge to all, not just the Asgard. :p

One of my favorite Egyptian gods too.

Oh sure, a 1/2 ascended goa'uld with knowledge of not only the ancients but the Asgard to after he downloaded Thor's brain. Wonderful god there.

Falcon Horus
November 29th, 2016, 03:25 AM
Wonderful god there.

I am actually referring to the actual Egyptian god Anubis -- the jackel. Horus being my favorite.

In SG1, I really enjoy his villain character too, deliciously evil I have to say. :)

Bhousden
November 29th, 2016, 03:28 AM
I am actually referring to the actual Egyptian god Anubis -- the jackel. Horus being my favorite.

In SG1, I really enjoy his villain character too, deliciously evil I have to say. :)

I knew what you meant. You stick to your Egyptian gods, and I'll stick to the Norse ones. The REAL Thor, Loki, Odin, etc. I still contend that the writers of SG-1 did the Asgard an injustice tying them into the Roswell stories.

Bhousden
November 29th, 2016, 03:29 AM
Or rather I should say the Aesir and Vanir.

Falcon Horus
November 29th, 2016, 03:30 AM
The REAL Thor, Loki, Odin, etc. I still contend that the writers of SG-1 did the Asgard an injustice tying them into the Roswell stories.

I wholeheartedly agree with that. :)

Bhousden
November 29th, 2016, 03:31 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with that. :)

Glad we agree on something.

Falcon Horus
November 29th, 2016, 06:43 AM
Glad we agree on something.

:)

Bhousden
January 20th, 2017, 02:05 PM
Here's an idea worth considering. If the Asgard and goa'uld had a treaty they obviously had to have had some interaction with each other, yeah? So why did Thor need to appear in a hologram as a human instead of his true form? Seems rather pointless to me.....

garhkal
January 20th, 2017, 08:14 PM
If thor's negotiations with the gou'ald were done on ship, he wouldn't need to appear as a holo to anyone on the ground..

Bhousden
January 21st, 2017, 02:33 AM
If thor's negotiations with the gou'ald were done on ship, he wouldn't need to appear as a holo to anyone on the ground..

That's not exactly true since we know in Fair Game that the negotiations for the planets included in the treaty take place ON the planets in question.

Quantumentanglement
May 3rd, 2017, 06:47 AM
Here's an idea worth considering. If the Asgard and goa'uld had a treaty they obviously had to have had some interaction with each other, yeah? So why did Thor need to appear in a hologram as a human instead of his true form? Seems rather pointless to me.....

I think he was worried that there is a chance that the planet natives may see him - if they end up in that cave by accident.

Bhousden
May 3rd, 2017, 08:36 AM
I think he was worried that there is a chance that the planet natives may see him - if they end up in that cave by accident.

That wouldn't be possible since they weren't goa'uld, and with the exception of Kendra they were all transplanted to that planet millennia ago to save them from the goa'uld. Since the goa'uld were warned to stay away from Cimmeria there would be no reason for any of them to go there. It's kind of a rare thing that a host could influence the symbiote, and even if it was possible who's to say they could be convinced to go to a world off limits to them. Therefore it was merely a fluke that Kendra ended up there, much less that her body survived the device that killed the symbiote. Even so, the goa'uld were aware of the Asgard, so they'd have no reason to hide behind an avatar of themselves.

Xaeden
September 13th, 2017, 03:45 AM
Since the goa'uld were warned to stay away from Cimmeria there would be no reason for any of them to go there.

And yet they keep doing so. Heru-Ur found out that the planet was no longer protected by Thor's Hammer within a year of it being destroyed and although the Unas was estimated as "perhaps" being a thousand years old he survived through a combination of going into hibernation periodically and feeding on other Goa'uld who ended up stuck there with him. Teal'c's perception was that visiting that planet was forbidden, but clearly either through hubris, punishment, and/or occasional testing (e.g. sending a Jaffa through, which is what the Goa'uld do in lieu of a MALP according to Teal'c) some Goa'uld do end up there.

If your argument is that the hologram only activates as a greeting to a Goa'uld who has been transported to the caves, so the natives shouldn't have an occasion to see it before they're advanced enough to see the Asgard's true from since Goa'uld no longer go there, clearly that's not the case. It would take the Cimmerians hundreds, possibly thousands of years to pass that test. With such an expected length of time and no way to know for sure that a Goa'uld wouldn't be transported to the caves once the Cimmerians discovered them, why take the risk?

By the way, it's also not clear that the hologram only activates for a Goa'uld as Kendra said he repeats the same thing on a loop...


KENDRA
He seems to be. But he speaks the same message again and again. My beast believed he was not real.

So it's not just an arrival message, but likely goes on whenever someone returns to that part of the cave, presumably with the intent to wear the subject down by repeating that their situation is hopeless so they should give in. If it's not linked to the device, it might have been easier to simply set it up to be activated by a rudimentary sensor. Why go through the trouble of using technology to ensure that it only activated for the Goa'uld when you can just have the hologram look like a human in case a Cimmerian set it off (or was around when a Goa'uld was)? The Goa'uld understand that the Asgard adopt a human god guise for the benefit of less advanced humans (hell, the Goa'uld do it themselves) so it's like there's any reason why the Asgard should set up a hologram depicting their real forms for the benefit of the Goa'uld. Plus, it's less intimidating in the case of any Jaffa who, like Teal'c, had no idea what the Asgard actually looked like and might end up trapped there too.

Falcon Horus
October 29th, 2017, 09:58 AM
Thor's Hammer has been one of my favorite episodes of season 1 and still is, but I just now realize how cruel it is. They destroy the one thing that could save Sha're and Ska'ra, and not only that, Jack hands Teal'c's staffweapon to Daniel so he has to destroy all hope himself. I don't understand why he didn't refuse. He just steps back and does as he is told. I would have expected him to be more vocal about it, even refuse all out but instead he doesn't.

Okay, so Teal'c is his friend but Sha're is his wife.

Once again the costume and prop department did a wonderful job on all the details. I really love the look of this episode.

Also, a bit weird, but I couldn't help but see Darth Vader instead of the Unas. Damnit James Earl Jones... :p

How would you rate SG-1's "Thor's Hammer?"

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jelgate
October 30th, 2017, 04:48 PM
Your question I think would be contradictory to Daniel. Yes it could save Sha'rae but morally I don't think Daniel couldn't kill an enemy let alone a friend to save his wife. It's just not him.

As a rule, I love Asgard episodes. To me the selling point is the seeds this episode plants. It plants the ideas about the Asgard, how the Goa'uld host function,and the tramua it presents. The episode has one of Jack's best one liners. On the negative, Kendra really annoys me. I'm calling this good

Falcon Horus
October 31st, 2017, 01:05 AM
Your question I think would be contradictory to Daniel. Yes it could save Sha'rae but morally I don't think Daniel couldn't kill an enemy let alone a friend to save his wife. It's just not him.

He did spray the larvae goa'uld in Bloodlines with a volley of automatic weapon bullets.
Preventing them from being implanted one day.

jelgate
October 31st, 2017, 07:29 AM
That is a little different

aretood2
November 1st, 2017, 02:34 PM
Everyone has their limits. He wouldn't want to kill or harm the host, but I never really saw him be hesitant about Goa'uld until the Tok'ra came around...and even then...

One thing that I liked about this episode is a very different take on the "Your gods can be scientifically explained as a deception and you MUST know the truth at all costs so we shall tell you" take of Sci-Fi. I'm disappointed they didn't really dive deeper into this and left it as just a preference that the Asgard had. They kinda did in Red Sky, but in my opinion that was a very light very shallow exploration of that concept.

And of course, who doesn't like the little grey men?

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2017, 03:38 AM
And of course, who doesn't like the little grey men?

Pink... they are more pinkish men... and for once that sounds better than it does in my head. :p

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2017, 10:56 AM
Quiz this way (https://goo.gl/forms/piHGSav59rcDlAl52), and get your jiggy on with the puzzle for Thor's Hammer right here (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=ATZWDRDL).

Who Knows
November 10th, 2017, 06:36 PM
9 mins 13 secs

Falcon Horus
November 11th, 2017, 03:37 AM
*thumbs up*

jelgate
November 11th, 2017, 03:14 PM
7 minutes and 32 second. The shades of gray made it difficult

Falcon Horus
November 11th, 2017, 05:01 PM
I was originally going with an image with waaaaayyyyyy more sand in it... :p ...but I couldn't find one that I really liked. :p

Falcon Horus
November 12th, 2017, 03:22 PM
8:38 -- darn all that grey :p

aretood2
November 14th, 2017, 04:20 PM
Perhaps it needs some characters in street camo :weiranime42:

Falcon Horus
November 15th, 2017, 04:07 AM
Perhaps it needs some characters in street camo :weiranime42:

LOL!

I'll keep that in mind. ;)

Xaeden
May 11th, 2018, 08:37 PM
The Goa'uld understand that the Asgard adopt a human god guise for the benefit of less advanced humans (hell, the Goa'uld do it themselves) so it's like there's any reason why the Asgard should set up a hologram depicting their real forms for the benefit of the Goa'uld.

I had a thought to add on to this. We don't know that the Goa'uld were always aware of how the Asgard looked. I therefore wouldn't at all be surprised if they used to pretend that they were buff Norse-men in their earlier encounters with the Goa'uld and only dropped that guise more recently because the Goa'uld found out what they really looked like.

The Asgard's relationship with the Goa'uld is all about presenting a skewed perception of power. As of the time of their introduction they could occasionally send a single ship into the Milky Way to do some damage in response to a system lord's antics, but keeping the Goa'uld in line only worked when the Goa'uld believed the lie that the Asgard could follow that up with more military action. So what if the Asgard also used to want to try to project the idea of themselves as physically strong as an added layer?

I've gotten into so many conversations with people who get upset when superheroes are shorter than they think they should be because then they can't believe that they would wail on a normal human character who is physically taller than them. It doesn't matter that one character has superpowers and one doesn't; it's the height of those characters that matter to them. It's a very primitive evolutionary trigger that certain animals use to determine whether it's worth challenging another animal. It's why people are told to make themselves look big when confronted by mountain lions, for example. People also make these judgments all the time among themselves and it generally serves average people to avoid fights with hulking lumberers, but it's sometimes more important to them than other factors like what technological advances a person has. I don't know that the Goa'uld have that problem naturally, but they could have picked it up from their human hosts and/or the Asgard could thought it best to err on the side of presenting strength.

This is my long way of saying that perhaps the Goa'uld thought that Thor looked like his hologram when it was installed all those many years ago.

BethHG
June 10th, 2018, 10:35 AM
A very good episode: Norse mythology via The Asgard, the Unas with James Earl Jones ( so very awesome!), a former Goa'uld host that survived the Goa'uld being burned out, and Daniel choosing Teal'c's immediate need over the possibility of saving Sha're eventually.

My major beef is that they chose to destroy Thor's hammer without consulting anyone from the planet. Granted, the planet still has the device that sends Goa'uld to the cave, and they can block entrances, but still.

Maybe my attitude is affected by recently watching Smallville. :confused:

Jigsaw time was 7:40.

Falcon Horus
June 10th, 2018, 01:41 PM
SG-1 did indeed destroy the hammer, and did it for their own gain too.

They literally chose the one over the many, but the many weren't Tau'ri so they value less over their own (even though Teal'c isn't one of their own either). This theme will make a return throughout the show(s).

BethHG
June 10th, 2018, 02:01 PM
I guess I just didn't notice that before. As I grow older, I do tend to notice more when injustices are made. Hopefully, I can move past it when it comes up.

Falcon Horus
June 11th, 2018, 12:01 AM
I guess I just didn't notice that before. As I grow older, I do tend to notice more when injustices are made. Hopefully, I can move past it when it comes up.

You're not the only one. I have noticed that I look at episodes very differently than I did when was a teenager/early twenties. There are things that happened in my life, still happening that shape the way I look at the world and things.

But I think that's a good thing cause it means we've changed over time and have grown, have learned new things -- at least I hope so. :p

Platschu
August 21st, 2018, 10:38 AM
Errors :

1. Only three chevrons are locked as a sound effects, but the wormhole is established.

2. Daniel pushes only one symbol on the DHD and the whormhole is established.

Oops. These were dialing errors again. My bad. There was nothing else to find here. ;)

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By the way... I was not aware that the Goa'uld Marduk was mentioned in this episode. Kendra mentions him that her Goa'uld belonged to his family.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 27th, 2018, 08:55 AM
Yes, and his use again later in the series contradicts some of what we hear here.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
August 28th, 2018, 12:50 AM
Yes, and his use again later in the series contradicts some of what we hear here.

Throwing continuity entirely out the window.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 28th, 2018, 06:28 AM
Stargate may have been better about continuity than other series *cough* MacGyver *cough*, but anytime convenience ran up against continuity, continuity lost.

Seaboe