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A team from <I>Destiny</I> arrives on a jungle planet, where they find a kino with footage of themselves they haven't shot yet.

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J-Whitt Remastered
November 13th, 2009, 06:54 PM
I can buy the fact that a solar flare would send the Kino back in time (we've seen it often enough), but two flares that send the Kino back to the SAME time period? Really? That I can't buy. It makes no sense. Even if it was just one flare going at a different time it would send you to a different time (as proven by the end of 1969). Am I wrong on this?

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:01 PM
I'm with you....
too implausible...but it's a interesting episode.

WindowsME
November 13th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Thoughts & Reactions on the "Kill Off" of specifically Chloe and Lt. Jones? Do you feel their lives may be spared by the possible medicinal venom found within the creatures?

To those who claimed this was drawing away from the original Stargate appeal, I hope you're satisfied with this current episode.

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Solar Flares?

Where's Carter and Mckay when ya need them! :p

AVFan
November 13th, 2009, 07:02 PM
I can buy the fact that a solar flare would send the Kino back in time (we've seen it often enough), but two flares that send the Kino back to the SAME time period? Really? That I can't buy. It makes no sense. Even if it was just one flare going at a different time it would send you to a different time (as proven by the end of 1969). Am I wrong on this?

It's the same flare, at the same time. Just in different AT's.

All I can say about this episode is just WOW. Blows all previous ones out of the water. Just... Wow.

the-alguroan
November 13th, 2009, 07:02 PM
i would like hope so since she died twice but since in the end it shows that the crew who was seeing the tape was an alternate destiny crew so by all means this episode never happened. so everyone should be good even if they got the virus

Anon
November 13th, 2009, 07:02 PM
it is way too convenient that the animal cures the disease that they have. one in a million. well at-least i think this, tell me your opinion.

Replicator Todd
November 13th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Best episode of SGU yet. Nuff said.

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 07:03 PM
No since Scott sent the Kino back in time. All those events cease to exist. Its pretty obvious what would happen. They find the creatures during the day and ues the venmin to kill the Water microrganism

Skydiver
November 13th, 2009, 07:03 PM
i think it's safe to say that the episode never happened

ye olde reset switch and nothing you saw on the tape happened.

they went to the planet during the day, got the critters and inoculated everyone

we'll likely find out for sure next week as some throwaway line

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Thoughts & Reactions on the "Kill Off" of specifically Chloe and Lt. Jones? Do you feel their lives may be spared by the possible medicinal venom found within the creatures?

To those who claimed this was drawing away from the original Stargate appeal, I hope you're satisfied with this current episode.
I was absolutly hearth broken by that scene, I sympathise with Eli so much in that case. It...was a very emotional scene to say the least. Especially considering everyone who cares about her, and after Eli was able to get all of that off his chest, to only find out that she is dead....there is hope for this show yet.

Rickington
November 13th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Best episode of SGU yet. Nuff said.

Quite agreed!

:D I can't wait to see the conclusion.

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 07:03 PM
:eek:

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:03 PM
I can buy the fact that a solar flare would send the Kino back in time (we've seen it often enough), but two flares that send the Kino back to the SAME time period? Really? That I can't buy. It makes no sense. Even if it was just one flare going at a different time it would send you to a different time (as proven by the end of 1969). Am I wrong on this?

It makes perfect sense, given that they were the exact same solar flare with the exact same properties. This all made perfect sense to me, so I'm not sure what is so confusing :S

Pharaoh Atem
November 13th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Best episode of SGU yet. Nuff said.

what todd said

SG-17
November 13th, 2009, 07:04 PM
I this supposed to be a two-parter? The preview for Life doesn't make it seem so.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Best episode of SGU yet. Nuff said.

I don't know about that...

That's like calling the best episode of Voyager Basics Part I...
Then you come back 3 months later and get the crappy Basic's Part II.


Come on....wait in see before you pull the Blue Ribbon out.

DanielJacksonLives
November 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Have they concluded anything on this series?

What is so intriguing about this series? Both the original and Atlantis had charachters you could like and stories that made sense. I am so confused about this show.

alaskannut
November 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Seeing as there is still a crew next week, yeah, I would say they manage to make good use of Lt. Scott's message, which implies a better than even likelihood that Chloe will be back among the living;)

joeynox
November 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
My fav episode so far. The ending was classic. It was lime watching a horror film. Rush taking off and jumping through the gate was great an the visuals are outstanding.

J-Whitt Remastered
November 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
i think it's safe to say that the episode never happened

ye olde reset switch and nothing you saw on the tape happened.

they went to the planet during the day, got the critters and inoculated everyone

we'll likely find out for sure next week as some throwaway line

Yes. Of course. I was pretty let down by the end of this episode.

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Best episode of SGU yet. Nuff said.

Omg, I can finally say I completely agree! This episode was amazing, and I'm very happy :)


Quite agreed!

I can't wait to see the conclusion.


Unfortunately, I don't think there's going to be a true conclusion to this. While I hope they address it in the next episode, it seems we're supposed to infer that they follow the directions and get the venom from the creatures in order to survive. We'll see :P

dean_axel
November 13th, 2009, 07:07 PM
I think it'll just be inferred that they "figure this out". Wonder how many "loops" it takes though.

I like the fact that they'll leave the real resolution to the viewers' imaginations.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:07 PM
To me that felt like I had been wisked back to the Lord of Rings Movie when Fellowship of the Ring just ends....BOOM...over...

What the Freak was that?

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Unfortunately, I don't think there's going to be a true conclusion to this. While I hope they address it in the next episode, it seems we're supposed to infer that they follow the directions and get the venom from the creatures in order to survive. We'll see :P

If the next episode is "Life"..they will be fighting for their lives more directly which would tend to indicate a follow on

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Brilliant and Excellent ep. SGU has officially become the next Stargate series. It had Stargate written all over this one. I loved the character moments, the suspense and mystery was done very well. It also had a unique ending which was something a little different. This episode sorta reminded me of Tabula Rasa from SGA, because it started from one point and you had to work your way to the solution while going backwards in time. I think the classic Stargate fans will be happy with this episode, I know I am.

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:09 PM
I can buy the fact that a solar flare would send the Kino back in time (we've seen it often enough), but two flares that send the Kino back to the SAME time period? Really? That I can't buy. It makes no sense. Even if it was just one flare going at a different time it would send you to a different time (as proven by the end of 1969). Am I wrong on this?
Actually it does not really matter when the Kino was sent to, as long as it was in the past...which might be a bit of a stretch yes, but all that would have to happen is the Kino would have had to be sent back to some time o that planet, in the past. Over all the years from the moment Scott sent it back.

TheoryCraft
November 13th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Best episode of SGU yet. Nuff said.

Agreed. Any doubts I had about this show are now completely gone.

Fic12
November 13th, 2009, 07:09 PM
it is way too convenient that the animal cures the disease that they have. one in a million. well at-least i think this, tell me your opinion.

It's altogether possible that this is another instance of Destiny knowing that the crew is in danger and stopping to dial a planet that will offer a solution. It's happened twice before and I'm sure it will continue to happen throughout the series.

SG-17
November 13th, 2009, 07:10 PM
So this isn't a two-parter. In that case this was not a very good episode. I hate that they just left it unresolved.

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:10 PM
What the Freak was that?

It's a cliffhanger

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:10 PM
I don't know...that was kinda whack...
how you just gonna just end it like that....

It was interesting....I don't go for horror in the sci fi category....Event Horizon...finsihed that thread for me.

J-Whitt Remastered
November 13th, 2009, 07:10 PM
It makes perfect sense, given that they were the exact same solar flare with the exact same properties. This all made perfect sense to me, so I'm not sure what is so confusing :S

The solar flare from the end of 1969 was the exact same flare also. They went through the gate just a few short seconds early and it threw them years further than they wanted to be. By all indications it was a few hours between when Rush went through the gate and when Scott threw the Kino through and it came out the other side roughly around the same time as Rush? Really?

Replicator Todd
November 13th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Brilliant and Excellent ep. SGU has officially become the next Stargate series. It had Stargate written all over this one. I loved the character moments, the suspense and mystery was done very well. It also had a unique ending which was something a little different. This episode sorta remind me of Tabula Rasa from SGA, because it started from one point and you had to work your way to the solution while going backwards in time. I think the classic Stargate fans will be happy with this episode, I know I am.
It was very Tabula Rasa. In my opinion, Stargate is back. And its back for good.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 13th, 2009, 07:11 PM
i fell asleep during some of it but i am rewatching it and i thought it was cool.

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Agreed. Any doubts I had about this show are now completely gone.:indeed:


I don't know...that was kinda whack...
how you just gonna just end it like that....

It was interesting....I don't go for horror in the sci fi category....Event Horizon...finsihed that thread for me.
Actually the thing that most interested me about the ending was the whole thing with the flickering executive producer like we were still watching it through the Kino, very nice touch.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:12 PM
The solar flare from the end of 1969 was the exact same flare also. They went through the gate just a few short seconds early and it threw them years further than they wanted to be. By all indications it was a few hours between when Rush went through the gate and when Scott threw the Kino through and it came out the other side roughly around the same time as Rush? Really?


each time they threw the Kino through it was just in time for the flare...
Wasn't that three times?

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:13 PM
it is way too convenient that the animal cures the disease that they have. one in a million. well at-least i think this, tell me your opinion.

I think in general that the disease is caused by a tiny microbe and in general the venom acts either chemically or biologically on certain structures, so it's fortuitous but not impossible

EvenstarSRV
November 13th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Very nice ep, but then I've always really enjoyed Stargate's time travel episodes.

TJ and Eli were the standouts for me, with a honorable mention to Greer. It was neat to see TJ struggling with the medical crisis, and I enjoyed her sharing family stories with Eli on the planet. Eli annoyed me a bit on the planet, but I liked his conversations with TJ and Rush, as well as his bedside speech to Chloe.

Compared to last week, I thought this ep did a far better job of having nice character moments within an interesting plot, as well as having a pretty good balance between the characters, though I was sad not to see anything of Wray.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:13 PM
:indeed:


Actually the thing that most interested me about the ending was the whole thing with the flickering executive producer like we were still watching it through the Kino, very nice touch.


Well I can definitely say you're right...it was a very creative episode...
Maybe I should like as an episode on that alone.

alaskannut
November 13th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Best episode of SGU yet. Nuff said.
Personally I would put it as one of the better episodes of Stargate since at least "Heroes"...maybe even "Meridian"...but thats just me:)

Terra Atlantus
November 13th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Eli's speech to Chloe reminded of what Carter said to Daniel in Meridian. "Why do we always wait until the last minute to say what we feel..."

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 07:14 PM
The solar flare from the end of 1969 was the exact same flare also. They went through the gate just a few short seconds early and it threw them years further than they wanted to be. By all indications it was a few hours between when Rush went through the gate and when Scott threw the Kino through and it came out the other side roughly around the same time as Rush? Really?
Those were two separate timelines

Anon
November 13th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Brilliant and Excellent ep. SGU has officially become the next Stargate series. It had Stargate written all over this one. I loved the character moments, the suspense and mystery was done very well. It also had a unique ending which was something a little different. This episode sorta reminded me of Tabula Rasa from SGA, because it started from one point and you had to work your way to the solution while going backwards in time. I think the classic Stargate fans will be happy with this episode, I know I am.

perfect review

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:14 PM
It was very Tabula Rasa. In my opinion, Stargate is back. And its back for good.

I gotta say after this ep and other eps. You really needed to be a SG-1 and SGA fan to understand more what is going on, imo. That is more than fine, this is Stargate, and well us fans have made both shows successful. So we don't need new viewers. Just need what we have and keep it Stargate and the show will be just fine.

Phantom6
November 13th, 2009, 07:15 PM
I'm with you....
too implausible...but it's a interesting episode.

How is it implausible? It's the same flare, the SAME EXACT FLARE. The only thing that changed was the information the destiny crew had.

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Well I can definitely say you're right...it was a very creative episode...
Maybe I should like as an episode on that alone.
Maybe:P
If you didn't like it you didn't like it, none of us are taking any skin off your back.

Sam StarEagle
November 13th, 2009, 07:15 PM
It's the same flare, at the same time. Just in different AT's.

All I can say about this episode is just WOW. Blows all previous ones out of the water. Just... Wow.

I can only second this...WOW INDEED.

:thoranime09:

I've been loving all of em' so far, and now this...bravo...:sam59:

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Annnd...apparently the disease crossed over and is affecting all the abnormals as well

Replicator Todd
November 13th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Annnd...apparently the disease crossed over and is affecting all the abnormals as well

:lol:

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 13th, 2009, 07:17 PM
here' a question for you What are they going to do about all of that Tainted Water?

Xicer
November 13th, 2009, 07:19 PM
By far the most disappointing episode yet.

I'm not saying it was a bad episode. In fact this episode had the best writing of any episode of SGU yet. We actually learn something about the characters (Eli's mom has HIV, Rush and Young like Butch Cassidy), we get nice character development, and above all we actually get an interesting plot. The humor is well dispersed (Rush actually makes a joke) and there's a lot of suspense in the Kino scenes. Lt. James died and I was shocked, I was surprised the writers had the balls to kill of a recurring character so early. Everything was going so well for the first 50 minutes, I was just about to call this the greatest episode of SGU yet.

And then Chloe died, and I knew this episode was just a farce. At that point I knew the reset button was coming and any tension left in the episode was utterly destroyed. I was about to yell at the TV screen: "How could you give me such a great hour of television and then pull a stupid cliche on it at the last second?" I'm probably being a bit harsh, but seriously, this is something you would expect out of your average Star Trek: Voyager episode (and I like STV).

So this episode wasn't disappointing for any of the reasons the previous episodes were. This episode improved greatly on many aspects of the show, but the final minutes just absolutely ruined it.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:19 PM
How is it implausible? It's the same flare, the SAME EXACT FLARE. The only thing that changed was the information the destiny crew had.

But doesn't the gate have to intersect the flare at the right time..
So the events played out each time...at just the right time to send the kino back....


Maybe:P
If you didn't like it you didn't like it, none of us are taking any skin off your back.

Oddly enough, sir, it's my left fore arm that's missing the skin but that's because of little sand paper incident at work....nothing to worry about...

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:19 PM
here' a question for you What are they going to do about all of that Tainted Water?

Purify the hell out of it, ;). Boiling it would probably do the trick, given that the microbe in question is from an ice planet. To my knowledge, organisms (even extremophiles) don't tend be both hyperthermophiles and hyperpsychrophiles. :cool:

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 07:19 PM
I don't know...that was kinda whack...
how you just gonna just end it like that....

It was interesting....I don't go for horror in the sci fi category....Event Horizon...finsihed that thread for me.

Obviously how it ended hints that everything was undone and the events we saw never happened. That's why it ended so abruptly.

Anyways, my take on the episode.

HOLY CRAP! It was well worth the wait for this. My friends who aren't Stargate fans loved it. Also, my friend got her boyfriend to watch it and he said he liked it. She said it finally peaked her interest again.

Everything was great. Loved it all. I didn't see them pulling a double reset. I thought they would resolve it without them dying again on the mission. The creatures were both awesome and disturbing. Rush is freakin' crazy! Especially when you see him say a few lines and jump through the gate. That was priceless. Eli only reaffirmed my belief when he told Rush that.

This episode was directed and written great. Kudos to Robert. He continues to amaze me. I just want to point out to people who complain that the Kino playback was all messy, that is because the data banks were corrupted by the looks of it so it makes sense for it to skip, etc. That was a nice creative touch by Robert (and the editing team).

In my personal opinion, 'Time' is the first episode out of SGU I can give as a 10/10, four stars (****). Acting was superb. TJ was believable in her scene during and after revealing to Eli that Chloe was already dead. Speaking of which, Eli's performance was awesome as well. Hell, Greer was too. Pfft. I can go on. Everyone was great. I can't wait for the 11 PM airing to come on. I want to watch it again so bad! :D

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:19 PM
here' a question for you What are they going to do about all of that Tainted Water?
Probably just purify it again...or at the worse I suppose they can use that venom as a water purifier.

arrakis44
November 13th, 2009, 07:19 PM
here' a question for you What are they going to do about all of that Tainted Water?

Boil it? :)

Seriously though, good question.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:20 PM
here' a question for you What are they going to do about all of that Tainted Water?

it won't matter...
They'll find a cure.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:20 PM
Boil it? :)

Seriously though, good question.

LOL I said the same thing...

TheoryCraft
November 13th, 2009, 07:21 PM
it won't matter...
They'll find a cure.

Or more water...

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:21 PM
it won't matter...
They'll find a cure.

No need. Micro-organisms are incredibly easy to kill if they're not actually in you. When they've infected you, however, is another story entirely. ;)

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:22 PM
Obviously how it ended hints that everything was undone and the events we saw never happened. That's why it ended so abruptly.



OH.........
DUDE....that was GOOOD.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 13th, 2009, 07:22 PM
That was great :) I loved the "you're not seeing what you think you're seeing" ending.

The alien creatures were cool too.


So this isn't a two-parter. In that case this was not a very good episode. I hate that they just left it unresolved.

They didn't. Scott sent the kino back after the solar flare with all the information they needed.


The solar flare from the end of 1969 was the exact same flare also. They went through the gate just a few short seconds early and it threw them years further than they wanted to be. By all indications it was a few hours between when Rush went through the gate and when Scott threw the Kino through and it came out the other side roughly around the same time as Rush? Really?

We don't really know that.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 13th, 2009, 07:23 PM
Boil it? :)

Seriously though, good question.

yeah well I have my moments.

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:23 PM
I really like how everything in this show seems to keep on building on one another...but unfortanatley they cannot get away with it too many times more

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:24 PM
HoLLY CRAP 181 people viewing the thread.

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:24 PM
BTW, Eli has proven in the last two eps that he is more than just a comic actor or character. He has really grown over the season, and I think he has become a lot of people's favorites. Scott had some good moments in this ep, so did Greer. TJ was also good. Chloe was just in the background, and even if some touching moments about her, she did not really contribute.

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Obviously how it ended hints that everything was undone and the events we saw never happened. That's why it ended so abruptly.


And then Chloe wakes up and finds Eli in her shower

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:25 PM
Everything was great. Loved it all. I didn't see them pulling a double reset.

Haha, neither did I. I realized it the moment TJ pulled the blanket over Lt. James' head though, as I knew that that actress appears in episodes further on.

Still, even though I knew that certain characters weren't going to die, I was extremely interested in how the events of the episode were going to play out.


Acting was superb. TJ was believable in her scene during and after revealing to Eli that Chloe was already dead. Speaking of which, Eli's performance was awesome as well. Hell, Greer was too. Pfft. I can go on. Everyone was great. I can't wait for the 11 PM airing to come on. I want to watch it again so bad! :D

I agree, the acting was superb. I have to also make sure that people recognize Brian's awesome acting. The scene where he woke up and everyone was dead, as well as the scenes where he was talking to the kino were epic. He is very talented as well :)

Yoshi442
November 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Hated this episode from start to finish, and I've like all the other ones. Complete waste of my time.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM
I can buy the fact that a solar flare would send the Kino back in time (we've seen it often enough), but two flares that send the Kino back to the SAME time period? Really? That I can't buy. It makes no sense. Even if it was just one flare going at a different time it would send you to a different time (as proven by the end of 1969). Am I wrong on this?

The only thing that episode really proved was that SG-1 used a solar flare to travel to the future.


I this supposed to be a two-parter? The preview for Life doesn't make it seem so.

No it's not.

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM
OH.........
DUDE....that was GOOOD.

I can't tell if that is sarcasm or an agreement. I would prefer the latter, but in case it is the former. Oh well, that's how it looked to me and it really isn't far fetched. This episode was supposed to get you thinking and it succeeded, at least in my case. I thought about it and that is why I came with that conclusion.

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM
BTW, Eli has proven in the last two eps that he is more than just a comic actor or character.

I need to quote this for truth as well, as David Blue absolutely blew me away. It's not that I didn't think he was a good actor, it's just very nice to see he can pull off serious, emotional stuff so well. Hats off! :D

arrakis44
November 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM
BTW, Eli has proven in the last two eps that he is more than just a comic actor or character. He has really grown over the season, and I think he has become a lot of people's favorites. Scott had some good moments in this ep, so did Greer. TJ was also good. Chloe was just in the background, and even if some touching moments about her, she did not really contribute.

I pointed it out in the pre-airing thread, but I think there was some great emotion from Eli and TJ in this one, which may acutally make up for the reset button effect.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:27 PM
What did you not like?

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Still, even though I knew that certain characters weren't going to die, I was extremely interested in how the events of the episode were going to play out.

Which is why I don't think it's over. I don't think Scott's last words mean that someone it all got sorted out. Yes, we know Chloe will somehow be alive...but it's the *somehow* that I can't wait to see

Terra Atlantus
November 13th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Hated this episode from start to finish, and I've like all the other ones. Complete waste of my time.

Pun intended?

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Hated this episode from start to finish, and I've like all the other ones. Complete waste of my time.

Sorry you didn't like it, but I got a chuckle out of "Complete waste of my time" when this episode was named "Time". No Pun intended? Sorry, carrying on. :p

prion
November 13th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Brilliant and Excellent ep. SGU has officially become the next Stargate series. It had Stargate written all over this one. I loved the character moments, the suspense and mystery was done very well. It also had a unique ending which was something a little different. This episode sorta remind me of Tabula Rasa from SGA, because it started from one point and you had to work your way to the solution while going backwards in time. I think the classic Stargate fans will be happy with this episode, I know I am.

It was ... not bad, but not great, probably because I'm sitting there going "I've heard that dialogue before..."

From SGU tonight:
Eli: Well, this couldn’t get much worse.
Rush: I’m afraid that’s a failure of imagination.

Okay, from SGA “Suspicion”
BATES: I can't imagine it would be any worse than their original homeworld.
McKAY: That could just be failure of imagination on your part.

Didn't check to see who wrote the episode.

Eli did good in this episode, although in the beginning I can understand why Rush told him to grow up an episode or so ago because they're on an alien planet and he's acting like they're taking a walk in the park. And considering how many military people they had there, I'm rather surprised they just let Eli taste test the fruit. They were going back to the ship where it could be analyzed. It's different if you're in a survival situation. Maybe someone needs to send the writers the SAS handbook on survival ;)

As soon as Chloe died, I knew the reset button was just around the corner somewhere. Ditto with Lt James as the actress has tweeted about future episodes (ah, dangers of the internet!) THen Volker. Definite reset.

While I liked the interaction of the characters, the plot seemed very deja vu, the hazard of watching SG1 and SGA, as in SG1 "Bane" they had to go back to the planet to get the bug to save Teal'c, and in SGA "Conversion" they had to go back to the planet to get the iratus bug DNA to save Sheppard. However, some insect venom does have antibacterial/anti-inflammatory properties, but the antibiotics they brought with them are designed to combat Earth bacteria, not microorganisms in another galaxy. Its sorta like watching Beckett innoculate the 'wee ones' in that one SGA episode, with Earth vaccines, for an Earth disease. I remember a whole rant by a doctor on a blog about that one! ;)

And the solar flare, despite Eli's "back to the future" connection, was also very "1969" (SG1 episode).

And really folks, you go to an alien planet and start touching the plant life without gloves.... amazing no one got poison ivy ;)

Yoshi442
November 13th, 2009, 07:27 PM
I was absolutly hearth broken by that scene, I sympathise with Eli so much in that case. It...was a very emotional scene to say the least. Especially considering everyone who cares about her, and after Eli was able to get all of that off his chest, to only find out that she is dead....there is hope for this show yet.

Maybe I have a heart of stone, but the Eli scene had me alternately laughing and rolling my eyes.

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 07:27 PM
BTW, Eli has proven in the last two eps that he is more than just a comic actor or character. He has really grown over the season, and I think he has become a lot of people's favorites. Scott had some good moments in this ep, so did Greer. TJ was also good. Chloe was just in the background, and even if some touching moments about her, she did not really contribute.

Come on give her a break. She was infected. Don't make me get out the graph again:P

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Haha, neither did I. I realized it the moment TJ pulled the blanket over Lt. James' head though, as I knew that that actress appears in episodes further on.

Still, even though I knew that certain characters weren't going to die, I was extremely interested in how the events of the episode were going to play out.



I agree, the acting was superb. I have to also make sure that people recognize Brian's awesome acting. The scene where he woke up and everyone was dead, as well as the scenes where he was talking to the kino were epic. He is very talented as well :)

I agree with everything.

Sue_Jackson
November 13th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Holy mind frak Batman! WTF was that? :S

What was going on? They can't all be dead. Did the kino just keep going back in time? Or....may be they were different parallel universes...or alternate universes of the different fates of the expedition? And....which timeline is the real timeline? These time travel eps always make my brain hurt. :tealcanime49:

Loved the episode though. I was on the edge my seat the whole time. I loved how Eli was interviewing people with the kino. It was neat learning about the backgrounds.

Man....those creatures are NASTY! Eeeeeewwww!! :S

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:29 PM
Which is why I don't think it's over. I don't think Scott's last words mean that someone it all got sorted out. Yes, we know Chloe will somehow be alive...but it's the *somehow* that I can't wait to see

Well, Joseph Mallozzi classified this episode as a stand-alone episode, so I'm not sure that "Life" will be much of a conclusion to this story. In fact, the preview hints that it's a different story altogether.

Still, I agree that I want them to make a reference to it, at least for continuity's sake. I hope they mention that they're getting the last people treated for the microbe, and that they've succeeded in purifying the water, etc...

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:29 PM
I can't tell if that is sarcasm or an agreement. I would prefer the latter, but in case it is the former. Oh well, that's how it looked to me and it really isn't far fetched. This episode was supposed to get you thinking and it succeeded, at least in my case. I thought about it and that is why I came with that conclusion.


No that explains the abrupt ending and why we're not going back to it.
What more needs to said....
It goes back they get the cure in time and no one dies....
It's perfect.
It even allows them to use the maximum amount of time for developing the story and they did...

Very well done.

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Come on give her a break. She was infected. Don't make me get out the graph again:P

Well dude, I pinpoint each character in the last 8 eps and everyone has sold the episode with their performance or at least had some good scenes that stole the show. Chloe is the only character yet to do this for me. Tonight's Ep was Eli's, and Scott towards the end of the episode.

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Huh!?! I had a funny joke but I think it got deleted....

Oops...never mind...got lost in the shuffle....found it when I got greened for it

carry on

Oranos
November 13th, 2009, 07:30 PM
This was just...it was...wow. Loved every second.

After I've seen it for a second time and managed to collect my thoughts, I think I'll actually post my own review of this one.

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 07:31 PM
No that explains the abrupt ending and why we're not going back to it.
What more needs to said....
It goes back they get the cure in time and no one dies....
It's perfect.
It even allows them to use the maximum amount of time for developing the story and they did...

Very well done.

Well, in that case, thanks. With the internet, you can't tell if someone is agreeing or being sarcastic these days. :P

Sam StarEagle
November 13th, 2009, 07:32 PM
I'm thinking I know WHY Rush is sooo obsessed with the Ancients after this...can't wait to see where that goes...

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:32 PM
This was just...it was...wow. Loved every second.

After I've seen it for a second time and managed to collect my thoughts, I think I'll actually post my own review of this one.

I think alot of people are going to be reviewing this one.

Saquist
November 13th, 2009, 07:33 PM
Well, in that case, thanks. With the internet, you can't tell if someone is agreeing or being sarcastic these days. :P

Aye, Captain.

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 07:33 PM
No that explains the abrupt ending and why we're not going back to it.
What more needs to said....
It goes back they get the cure in time and no one dies....
It's perfect.
It even allows them to use the maximum amount of time for developing the story and they did...

Very well done.

Did you need everything spoon fed? Its pretty obvious. Scott told them everything that was needed to save their life in the next timeline.

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:34 PM
Well dude, I pinpoint each character in the last 8 eps and everyone has sold the episode with their performance or at least had some good scenes that stole the show. Chloe is the only character yet to do this for me. Tonight's Ep was Eli's, and Scott towards the end of the episode.

Drunk Chloe on "Earth"? Great stuff

Skydiver
November 13th, 2009, 07:34 PM
in a lot of ways this was l ike window of opportunity - ONLY in the fact that they kept looping until they fixed things and broke the loop, thus breaking out of hte loop and time continues as it should have (time as in the timeline)

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:34 PM
Maybe I have a heart of stone, but the Eli scene had me alternately laughing and rolling my eyes.
you have a heart of stone:P

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:34 PM
OMG, someone posted this on the SyFy forums. I cannot stop laughing...


Maybe Chloe can become the "Kenny" of SGU and the writers can find a way to kill her off every episode. OMG they killed Chloe!

traksa
November 13th, 2009, 07:34 PM
the only way she is dead dead is if Elyse Levesque said thats it i quit (very unlikely).their is no way the powers that be would think it was a good idea to kill her off for good.

lets just call it like it is.she is eye candy.and she gives everyone else's proformance a boost.No mater how much it boosted this episode to kill off one of the main people it would only hurt the show in the long run.and the powers know it.

so the only way chloe is dead is if Elyse Levesque walked off.<mod snip, let's not even joke about harm to a real person please>

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 07:35 PM
OMG, someone posted this on the SyFy forums. I cannot stop laughing...

That would be hilarious!!!

AVFan
November 13th, 2009, 07:35 PM
Only question I've got is- what happened to AU1 Rush, AU1 Scott, and AU2 Scott? Not that it really matters for our AU3 crew, but still, it's a question.

Rac80
November 13th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Well tptb did the impossible: made AU/time travel BORING for me!!! that ep was a disappointment. It was mostly "soap free" (although I thought Eli's mom had cancer...not HIV. :S ) but still bored me silly! Next week it looks like we are back to "How the Destiny Turns"...."The Last Days of Our Lives".... "The Guiding Kino"...."The Edge of Space"...."Another Stargate"....."General Anesthesia" (hubby's contribution-- he's clever!;) ).... "The Young and the Boring". therefore it is official, I am done with SGU... the preview on sciffy sucked me in....I am on to them now! :P

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 07:37 PM
I'm curious Brian, what would you rate this episode? Does it beat 'Light' in your opinion? I know that you and me agreed and thought that 'Light was the best episode so far in SGU, but now that 'Time' has aired, has it surpassed 'Light'? What would you rate it?

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Only question I've got is- what happened to AU1 Rush, AU1 Scott, and AU2 Scott? Not that it really matters for our AU3 crew, but still, it's a question.
Oh good Voyager episode:D....sorry:o.
And only the fan fic can tell;)

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Well tptb did the impossible:

At first I thought you were going to say "impressed me". Of course, that would, indeed, have been impossible.


therefore it is offical I am done with SGU... the preview on scifi channel sucked me in....I am on to them now! :P

At least you gave it a shot...:S

prion
November 13th, 2009, 07:39 PM
OMG, someone posted this on the SyFy forums. I cannot stop laughing...

Bwhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AndSoItBegins
November 13th, 2009, 07:39 PM
Have they concluded anything on this series?

What is so intriguing about this series? Both the original and Atlantis had charachters you could like and stories that made sense. I am so confused about this show.


Man, if I had a penny for every time I read comments about how the other show had likable characters. Really? Is that the naysayers strongest argument? Because I already like these SGU characters as much as any on the previous shows and perhaps that's because they come across as far more flawed, far more real and far more complex.

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:40 PM
At first I thought you were going to say "impressed me". Of course, that would, indeed, have been impossible.



At least you gave it a shot...:S
:indeed:
And :indeed:
:lol:
I was impressed...and after fifteen years of two of my three favorite shows that is saying something;)

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:40 PM
Only question I've got is- what happened to AU1 Rush, AU1 Scott, and AU2 Scott? Not that it really matters for our AU3 crew, but still, it's a question.

Yeah, I think that was supposed to be what those "human remains" references were about. Still, it's weird that there would have been remains...bah, I won't pretend to understand what happened to the OTHER people :P

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:41 PM
I'm curious Brian, what would you rate this episode? Does it beat 'Light' in your opinion? I know that you and me agreed and thought that 'Light was the best episode so far in SGU, but now that 'Time' has aired, has it surpassed 'Light'? What would you rate it?

My favorite eps so far are likely "Air Part 3" tied with "Light" then this one. So it's in my top 3, but we've only seen 8 eps. So it's hard to make a top list now. I am a sucker for time/alternate reality eps. "Last Man" for an example I thought was one of the top Stargate season finales. I like when the team is in trouble and you get a glimpse of these characters and how they are feeling. It just reminded me so much of what I love about the Stargate franchise. Gotta say the feedback on the SyFy forums are very positve for this episode. Most postive I've seen um since SGA was airing, lol.

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Only question I've got is- what happened to AU1 Rush, AU1 Scott, and AU2 Scott? Not that it really matters for our AU3 crew, but still, it's a question.

Dead, Dead, and Dead

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Bwhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was you wasn't it wraithfodder?

GATEGOD
November 13th, 2009, 07:43 PM
*Pokes head in*

I just wanted to pop in and say I really enjoyed this episode. I blinked and turned away and missed the last 2 seconds lol but apparently it ended... as a cliffhanger and isn't a two parter. So blah but other than that i'd give it a 4/5 =) Really good strong blow your mind episode, maybe I'm a sucker for the keno view. But after that thing ripped out of chloe and then it was revealed they were watching it on a video I LOVED it. I knew that from the previews lol but it was still great.

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:43 PM
One thing that always bugs me about these types of time-travel stories (actually, "Before I Sleep" is quite similar in this respect) is that one person actually dies in order to save...themselves in another timeline. It's just so WEIRD, lol.

I must say, it's gotta take some extreme courage to be willing to make that sort of sacrifice...even if it is (sort of) for yourself.

Bah, the mindgames...they pain me :cool:

Sue_Jackson
November 13th, 2009, 07:45 PM
in a lot of ways this was l ike window of opportunity - ONLY in the fact that they kept looping until they fixed things and broke the loop, thus breaking out of hte loop and time continues as it should have (time as in the timeline)

Yeah yeah...that's it! :) It was like Window of Opportunity (S4/SG-1). The time just kept on looping everytime the Kino was sent through the gate but with a different outcome. Each conclusion was different than the last.

I'm curious on how it's all gonna playout.


EDIT: Holy cow! There's like over 200 people on this thread. :eek:

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:45 PM
It was you wasn't it wraithfodder?

No no, she is innocent. :p

AndSoItBegins
November 13th, 2009, 07:46 PM
I really like how everything in this show seems to keep on building on one another...but unfortanatley they cannot get away with it too many times more


Why not? Worked for Babylon 5, BSG and to a lesser extent DS9. Works for Lost as well. And for non-sci fi shows great works like The Wire, Mad Men, The Shield, etc. I can go on. Some of you seem to want the good ol' stand-alone-episode model with some continuity thrown in for the big two parters that show up for ratings sweeps. But its obvious by now this series is not going that route.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 13th, 2009, 07:47 PM
Well tptb did the impossible: made AU/time travel BORING for me!!! that ep was a disappointment. It was mostly "soap free" (although I thought Eli's mom had cancer...not HIV. :S ) but still bored me silly! Next week it looks like we are back to "How the Destiny Turns"...."The Last Days of Our Lives".... "The Guiding Kino"...."The Edge of Space"...."Another Stargate"....."General Anesthesia" (hubby's contribution-- he's clever!;) ).... "The Young and the Boring". therefore it is official, I am done with SGU... the preview on sciffy sucked me in....I am on to them now! :P

not really

DavidR
November 13th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Well, Joseph Mallozzi classified this episode as a stand-alone episode, so I'm not sure that "Life" will be much of a conclusion to this story. In fact, the preview hints that it's a different story altogether.

Still, I agree that I want them to make a reference to it, at least for continuity's sake. I hope they mention that they're getting the last people treated for the microbe, and that they've succeeded in purifying the water, etc...

If they dont' finish this episode, in my opinion, that's a major mistake in story telling. Viewers who saw characters die but now are alive will be left asking the question, but what about what happened in Time?

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 07:49 PM
If they dont' finish this episode, in my opinion, that's a major mistake in story telling. Viewers who saw characters die but now are alive will be left asking the question, but what about happened in Time?

I think Lt. Scott made it quite clear what was going to happen. Still, I don't think we have to worry as I'm sure they'll make mention of it in the next episode, it's just that the episode won't actually continue event-wise into the next episode.

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 07:50 PM
My favorite eps so far are likely "Air Part 3" tied with "Light" then this one. So it's in my top 3, but we've only seen 8 eps. So it's hard to make a top list now. I am a sucker for time/alternate reality eps. "Last Man" for an example I thought was one of the top Stargate season finales. I like when the team is in trouble and you get a glimpse of these characters and how they are feeling. It just reminded me so much of what I love about the Stargate franchise. Gotta say the feedback on the SyFy forums are very positve for this episode. Most postive I've seen um since SGA was airing, lol.

That's good to know on the last part. But yeah, I agree with you. I think 'Time' slipped into my number 1 place as of right now. I think 'Space' will be close to it when it airs, but I will have to wait and see.

Yoshi442
November 13th, 2009, 07:50 PM
What did you not like?

Not sure if this was asked of me, but since I seem to be in the minority here in not liking this episode, I'll just assume it was.

First, I have a huge bias against time travel/time line episodes in any sci-fi series. I stopped watching Enterprise as soon as it became clear that screwing with the time line was going to be a major part of it. I almost skipped the episode entirely because I knew it was a time episode, and was just going to glance through this thread to pick up whatever character development we got. But, I decided to watch it because I'm already pretty invested in SGU after the first seven episodes (have watched every one twice, but this one I doubt I will). And I again realized that I just hate time episodes--and if they do one again I will skip it, since apparently any character development from this episode never really happened as far as the characters are concerned (though we know it).

Second, and maybe I'm just grouchy tonight, but I hated the Eli scene at the end. Plus, how many times on TV do we have to see the "oh my god, why don't people ever say I love you until it's too late boo hoo" tripe? On pretty much every series I've ever watched, including most of the crime serials like CSI. It's been done before. Many, many times before. And better.

Third, though I generally am OK with Eli, my least favorite part of the show is the Eli-narrates-through-Kino part, which is minimal in most episodes. But I got a super-size helping tonight.

This is long already, so I'll stop for now. Maybe more later.

last
November 13th, 2009, 07:53 PM
Best episode thus far, hopefully it will continue.

AVFan
November 13th, 2009, 07:53 PM
If they dont' finish this episode, in my opinion, that's a major mistake in story telling. Viewers who saw characters die but now are alive will be left asking the question, but what about happened in Time?

But it does tell what they did- just not in so many words (or actions). They (AU3) came through the gate and found 2 kinos lying on the ground. They watched the recording on both of them, went through the gate when it was light, and snagged one of those nasty buggers. TJ got the cure from the captured ones, and voila- they win.

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 07:56 PM
That's good to know on the last part. But yeah, I agree with you. I think 'Time' slipped into my number 1 place as of right now. I think 'Space' will be close to it when it airs, but I will have to wait and see.

Do you want to know why I think "Time" is being well received and is likely one of the better eps of the series? The magic word is, are you ready???

Balance!

There was a good balance of action, comic relief, mystery, suspense, action, and drama. All that with the use of a past Stargate plot devices the Solar flare.

You mix that all up with new interesting characters and you get yourself a pretty damn good episode. :p

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 07:56 PM
But it does tell what they did- just not in so many words (or actions). They (AU3) came through the gate and found 2 kinos lying on the ground. They watched the recording on both of them, went through the gate when it was light, and snagged one of those nasty buggers. TJ got the cure from the captured ones, and voila- they win.

Actually they probably only saw Timeline B's Kino as Timeline A's Kino was taken to the Destiny in Timeline B.

prion
November 13th, 2009, 07:56 PM
It was you wasn't it wraithfodder?

Nope.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 13th, 2009, 07:57 PM
If they dont' finish this episode, in my opinion, that's a major mistake in story telling. Viewers who saw characters die but now are alive will be left asking the question, but what about happened in Time?

They did end it. They just chose to end it at the point where you realize he's gonna send the kino back in time again instead of showing the 3rd timeline.

And honestly, showing the team going back to the planet in a 3rd timeline would've been boring and ruined the surprise ending. At that point, you'd already know what they were gonna do.

Pharaoh Atem
November 13th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Best episode thus far, hopefully it will continue.

it was awesome

Col.Foley
November 13th, 2009, 07:58 PM
Do you want to know why I think "Time" is being well received and is likely one of the better eps of the series? The magic word is, are you ready???

Balance!

There was a good balance of action, comic relief, mystery, suspense, action, and drama. All that with the use of a past Stargate plot devices the Solar flare.

You mix that all up with new interesting characters and you get yourself a pretty damn good episode. :pAnd it had a balance of characters in this ep too, a lot of people had wonderful moments

AndSoItBegins
November 13th, 2009, 07:58 PM
It was ... not bad, but not great, probably because I'm sitting there going "I've heard that dialogue before..."

From SGU tonight:
Eli: Well, this couldn’t get much worse.
Rush: I’m afraid that’s a failure of imagination.

Okay, from SGA “Suspicion”
BATES: I can't imagine it would be any worse than their original homeworld.
McKAY: That could just be failure of imagination on your part.

Didn't check to see who wrote the episode.

Eli did good in this episode, although in the beginning I can understand why Rush told him to grow up an episode or so ago because they're on an alien planet and he's acting like they're taking a walk in the park. And considering how many military people they had there, I'm rather surprised they just let Eli taste test the fruit. They were going back to the ship where it could be analyzed. It's different if you're in a survival situation. Maybe someone needs to send the writers the SAS handbook on survival ;)

As soon as Chloe died, I knew the reset button was just around the corner somewhere. Ditto with Lt James as the actress has tweeted about future episodes (ah, dangers of the internet!) THen Volker. Definite reset.

While I liked the interaction of the characters, the plot seemed very deja vu, the hazard of watching SG1 and SGA, as in SG1 "Bane" they had to go back to the planet to get the bug to save Teal'c, and in SGA "Conversion" they had to go back to the planet to get the iratus bug DNA to save Sheppard. However, some insect venom does have antibacterial/anti-inflammatory properties, but the antibiotics they brought with them are designed to combat Earth bacteria, not microorganisms in another galaxy. Its sorta like watching Beckett innoculate the 'wee ones' in that one SGA episode, with Earth vaccines, for an Earth disease. I remember a whole rant by a doctor on a blog about that one! ;)

And the solar flare, despite Eli's "back to the future" connection, was also very "1969" (SG1 episode).

And really folks, you go to an alien planet and start touching the plant life without gloves.... amazing no one got poison ivy ;)

Amazing. 50,000 eps of Stargate already produced and folks keep criticizing this Stargate show for not being able to make every second totally unique fro eps that came before. Seriously do folks who are pointing out similarities to SGA scenes/eps not realize the same criticism could be leveled at SGA for its "stealing" from moments/events already played out on SG1? And do those bringing up SG1 understand that sci fi fans can look at Star Trek and other previous sci fi shows and see how SG1, unintentionally or not, plucked moments/storylines/character interactions/ etc from those previous shows? Is SGU alone supposed to take the fall for that?

I never expected SGU to reinvent the wheel but I have to say its more gritty approach, its more serious and sober outlook, and its more gradual and adult way of handling its characters and the situations they are in make the show refreshing to me.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 13th, 2009, 08:00 PM
But it does tell what they did- just not in so many words (or actions). They (AU3) came through the gate and found 2 kinos lying on the ground. They watched the recording on both of them, went through the gate when it was light, and snagged one of those nasty buggers. TJ got the cure from the captured ones, and voila- they win.

Well there would still only be one because they'd already taken the one they found back to the Destiny. So the "real" timeline Destiny crew would never see it.

Skydiver
November 13th, 2009, 08:01 PM
I do have one question, at one point eli goes 'i'm hot'....so dude, take off your sweat shirt :)

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Wow that was....really damn cool!

I think I've finally made the jump from liking this series to loving it. :)

Jedted
November 13th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Wow, that was crazy! I'm a little surprised that people are complaining about the "conveniance" when this kind of stuff has happened a lot in the past. Scott extremly lucky the first time by sending the Kino through at the exact moment of the solar flare and the second time around he knew it was gonna happen so he was able to tell everybody what they needed to know.

Looks like we're to assume that the third time was a charm. You can rant and rave about how lame this kind of storytelling is but it was one of the things i allways loved about Stargate. No matter how much the timeline gets fraked up they allways set it back to normal.

Btw, anyone else expect Eli to say "What...the....frak?" in that moment right before the comercial? Considering all the sci-fi references he's made it seemed the obvious thing he would say in that situation. :cameron:

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 08:08 PM
i do have one question, at one point eli goes 'i'm hot'....so dude, take off your sweat shirt :)

lol!

Marsuvees
November 13th, 2009, 08:12 PM
it is way too convenient that the animal cures the disease that they have. one in a million. well at-least i think this, tell me your opinion.

Everything in Stargate is one in a million, get over it.

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 08:12 PM
Unless I've missed something, what were the human remains that Rush discovered in one of the timelines? Was supposed to be the crew's remains, devoured by the creatures?

Meryl
November 13th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Guys this is my first post on the board but i NEED to say that i'm totally hooked, the episode was awesome, everything i love about storytelling, about stargate, the characters were amazingly played.

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Unless I've missed something (or it was the creatures devouring the crew), what were the human remains that Rush discovered in one of the timelines?

See, this is the only part that confused me. I'm assuming the human remains were supposed to be Rush and Lt. Scott from their respective timelines...but I can't wrap my mind around time travel like this.

Lightning Ducj
November 13th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Unless I've missed something, what were the human remains that Rush discovered in one of the timelines? Was the crew's remains, devoured by the creatures?

Themselves from the previous loop

Meryl
November 13th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Everything in Stargate is one in a million, get over it.

seriously, how can people complain how everything is easy or complained that it isn't that easy (the fact they can't find a solution to get back home) SG-1 was a crazy ass lucky team and people didn't seem to be pissed about it.

prion
November 13th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Amazing. 50,000 eps of Stargate already produced and folks keep criticizing this Stargate show for not being able to make every second totally unique fro eps that came before. Seriously do folks who are pointing out similarities to SGA scenes/eps not realize the same criticism could be leveled at SGA for its "stealing" from moments/events already played out on SG1? And do those bringing up SG1 understand that sci fi fans can look at Star Trek and other previous sci fi shows and see how SG1, unintentionally or not, plucked moments/storylines/character interactions/ etc from those previous shows? Is SGU alone supposed to take the fall for that?

I never expected SGU to reinvent the wheel but I have to say its more gritty approach, its more serious and sober outlook, and its more gradual and adult way of handling its characters and the situations they are in make the show refreshing to me.

Glad the show refreshes you. To me, I'm still waiting for a really good episode. I don't want to see the references/reuse of stuff from SG1/SGA, but it is there. The writers have not left their comfort zone yet..totally break ties with Earth, but the stones are back next week...



Btw, anyone else expect Eli to say "What...the....frak?" in that moment right before the comercial? Considering all the sci-fi references he's made it seemed the obvious thing he would say in that situation. :cameron:

No I expected he said the "F" word, although yeah, I suppose 'frak' could be used but the other word is er, more common ;)

Skydiver
November 13th, 2009, 08:15 PM
the bodies they found were found in loop2 and it was the casualties from loop one

Marsuvees
November 13th, 2009, 08:16 PM
:indeed:


Actually the thing that most interested me about the ending was the whole thing with the flickering executive producer like we were still watching it through the Kino, very nice touch.
Very nice touch.

AtlantisRules!!!
November 13th, 2009, 08:16 PM
THe human remians was Rush.. he went through and came out in that timeline... and eventually decomposed... so... the skull Rush was holding was his own :P

Best ep ever. And 301 people veiwing thread O.o

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 08:17 PM
This is the first time Stargate time travel that's confused me....I likes it :D

Aragon101
November 13th, 2009, 08:17 PM
I think this show has more to prove to me than simply one good episode.

if 75% of the seaosn is like what we've gotten so far, then i really can't call it Stargate. I LIKED Time, but 5 episodes out of 20 isn't enough to inspire me to support the show in any serious way. i'm HOPING i'm wrong, but i'd rather go in with low expectations and be pleasantly surprised than go in with high expectations and feel let down.

Sam StarEagle
November 13th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Btw, anyone else expect Eli to say "What...the....frak?" in that moment right before the comercial? Considering all the sci-fi references he's made it seemed the obvious thing he would say in that situation. :cameron:

In my canon, he SOOO DID. :lol:

BriGuy
November 13th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Mistake in 'Time' (done for cheap drama). Right at the end, Rush checks in with the planet team. And totally disregarding his advice from just a couple of episodes ago, he tells the team in the field about the deaths, especially Cholie. So why does he do it. He sure gave a big speech about not telling people in the field, who are gathering vital things, bad news that might upset them and in turn kill everyone. So why did he do it....the shows was almost over?

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 08:19 PM
I think this show has more to prove to me than simply one good episode.

if 75% of the seaosn is like what we've gotten so far, then i really can't call it Stargate. I LIKED Time, but 5 episodes out of 20 isn't enough to inspire me to support the show in any serious way. i'm HOPING i'm wrong, but i'd rather go in with low expectations and be pleasantly surprised than go in with high expectations and feel let down.
You mean 5 episodes out of 8 so far. I'd call that a pretty good ratio.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 13th, 2009, 08:23 PM
Unless I've missed something, what were the human remains that Rush discovered in one of the timelines? Was supposed to be the crew's remains, devoured by the creatures?

Yeah, they said it was the crew. And I don't know if the creatures actually ate the crew or just attacked and killed them.

Aragon101
November 13th, 2009, 08:23 PM
You mean 5 episodes out of 8 so far. I'd call that a pretty good ratio.

No, i clearly said 5 out of 20, it's an estimate of the number of episodes i'll like given teh ratio i've seen so far. 2 out of 8. Light and Time are the only episodes i've liked so far. Everything else was a total snore or eyeroll fest to me.

I'm giving SGU a fair chance to be something i look forward to, but seeing what they've got lined up i'm not impressed much.

Cecil Brax
November 13th, 2009, 08:23 PM
Seriously,

That was an awesome Episode and it certainly didn't pull any punches. As much as I haven't liked the character Chloe, they used her well in this episode.

The "hung a lantern" off of the fact she's been useless in other episodes when she said everyone needs to do their part. Basically what that means is the fact she is the one saying everyone needs to be useful, it serves to draw attention away from the fact the she isn't really useful yet. On a side note, all those people who really don't like her got to see her die TWICE! So they should be satisfied for a while. hehe. While again, she didn't really do anything useful, at least they used her uselessness well. Still hoping one day she actually does something rather then just be story fodder for Eli and Scott.

Eli in this episode ... wow. he had a really good roll. I instantly thought of 'Doom' the video game when he was looking around in Kino vision with the rifle out. He had some great character interaction moments as well which were really interesting. Though, I did feel like alot of others who have posted that the scene between him and Chloe was kind of blahh. Though it gave alot of insight on TJ with her reactions to Eli's goodbye which salvaged the scene for me.

Chloe ... well I think the writers did a good job of distracting from the problems alot of us have with her character, but if you want the character to grow probably shouldn't have her dead or unconcious for most of the episode. She needs to be actively doing something to build on her character more in my opinion.

Scott. Alright ... well played sir. His reaction to everyone being dead was, ... creepy but in a good way. Then him being the one to figure out the alternate reality thing and send the Kino back a second time. Very nice move. He got some points in my book for this one.

Greer. Seriously. Better every episode. I really didn't think I would like him from his character Bio, but that totally was wrong. He's one of the most interesting and surprising characters on the show. He is like, the true American soldier. Flawed, but brave and always standing up to do his job. Good episode for him.

Finally, Rush. I am excluding Young here because the episode didn't focus on him so much as the others. We really got a good feel for what Rush is like and him being willing to risk his life for others. Granted some may say it was because he wanted to live, but he could have suggested someone else go through or sent the Kino through first. Instead, he did the deed himself and risked his life. Ultimately dying in the process. Its too bad they wont get to see the video from the first Kino, because there were alot of good building moments that would have helped if they had seen them.

As for time travel, I have to admit alot of people said its too soon and as much as I like other dimensions and time travel I was agreeing. This storyline worked though. It wasn't timetravel so much as alternate versions of the same story. They did time travel, but you didn't see them in the past you just saw two different cases of what 'could be'. I guess that doesn't make it less about 'Time Travel' but it does make it a little more acceptable to me.

Anyway, I have to give this one a 10/10. It had some much needed action, peril, and great character moments that reminded me alot of the first two Stargate shows. Actually, this one reminds me of SG1 Season 1, Episode one where everyone is fighting against Hathor and you have a bunch of full SG Teams trying to save the team. I know they aren't really similar much, it just made me think of that because of the size of the cast involved in this, the mix of action and character building, and the awesomeness that was this episode.

Thanks for reading anyone that made it all the way through this. I expect some "Too Long Didn't Reads!" on this one. hehe

- CB

Cecil Brax
November 13th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Mistake in 'Time' (done for cheap drama). Right at the end, Rush checks in with the planet team. And totally disregarding his advice from just a couple of episodes ago, he tells the team in the field about the deaths, especially Cholie. So why does he do it. He sure gave a big speech about not telling people in the field, who are gathering vital things, bad news that might upset them and in turn kill everyone. So why did he do it....the shows was almost over?

Honestly, I think they were different situations. He was telling them to hurry because they were losing people. Maybe giving exact names wasn't good, but he seemed genuinely upset by what was happening. Well, in that Rush sort of way upset. hehe. Seriously though, I think they were different situations.

- CB

Tibit
November 13th, 2009, 08:26 PM
I think it was pretty obvious that the skull was Rush's. In the flash of a second when the people watching the Kino see it thrown through the Stargate and go back in time, you see Rush lying face down in front of the Stargate (in the past). They never go back to watch the rest of the footage, but it must have been Rush who jumped through the Stargate earlier on.

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 08:30 PM
No, i clearly said 5 out of 20, it's an estimate of the number of episodes i'll like given teh ratio i've seen so far. 2 out of 8. Light and Time are the only episodes i've liked so far. Everything else was a total snore or eyeroll fest to me.
Now you're being clear. Your previous post was not :)

Lord Hurin
November 13th, 2009, 08:32 PM
it is way too convenient that the animal cures the disease that they have. one in a million. well at-least i think this, tell me your opinion.

Yeah, you're right. Everyone should just get killed off. Much more believable.
:rolleyes:

Erised
November 13th, 2009, 08:34 PM
Ummm I am confused. Why is it that for next week they show previews of something totally different rather than continuing the storyline? They're not going to pull off a 2001/2010 on us are they?

DetriusXii
November 13th, 2009, 08:34 PM
Not sure if this was asked of me, but since I seem to be in the minority here in not liking this episode, I'll just assume it was.

First, I have a huge bias against time travel/time line episodes in any sci-fi series. I stopped watching Enterprise as soon as it became clear that screwing with the time line was going to be a major part of it. I almost skipped the episode entirely because I knew it was a time episode, and was just going to glance through this thread to pick up whatever character development we got. But, I decided to watch it because I'm already pretty invested in SGU after the first seven episodes (have watched every one twice, but this one I doubt I will). And I again realized that I just hate time episodes--and if they do one again I will skip it, since apparently any character development from this episode never really happened as far as the characters are concerned (though we know it).

Second, and maybe I'm just grouchy tonight, but I hated the Eli scene at the end. Plus, how many times on TV do we have to see the "oh my god, why don't people ever say I love you until it's too late boo hoo" tripe? On pretty much every series I've ever watched, including most of the crime serials like CSI. It's been done before. Many, many times before. And better.

Third, though I generally am OK with Eli, my least favorite part of the show is the Eli-narrates-through-Kino part, which is minimal in most episodes. But I got a super-size helping tonight.

This is long already, so I'll stop for now. Maybe more later.

I agree. The only time travel episodes that I don't get disgusted by are the closed loop time travel episodes like the time travel episode in 1969. We're still left with the same characters in the end and the characters don't offer the new time line characters a get out of jail free card.

BSG fans were pissed at the finale of BSG for using God as a solution the BSG crew's problems. Other more neutral places were Stargate discussion, such as Metafilter and Slashdot, have left the viewers in agreement that the use of ascended beings and time travel was ruining the show. Time travel allows the writers to cheat death easily and it's something they never limit fully in it's abilities.

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 08:35 PM
Ummm I am confused. Why is it that for next week they show previews of something totally different rather than continuing the storyline? They're not going to pull off a 2001/2010 on us are they?
I'm reasonably confident that we're to assume the situation was resolved in the end.

JoseP927
November 13th, 2009, 08:36 PM
i think it's safe to say that the episode never happened

ye olde reset switch and nothing you saw on the tape happened.

they went to the planet during the day, got the critters and inoculated everyone

we'll likely find out for sure next week as some throwaway line

Wait! Are you saying this episode will just vanish off of my Tivo??

Aragon101
November 13th, 2009, 08:37 PM
Now you're being clear. Your previous post was not :)

Then i suggest a grammar book :)

in any case, Time was definitely interesting, but i can't help but think "Shock Drama" when watching it. It's also a bit of a crock to kill them all (multiple times) and just hit the reset switch. The ending was weird, but the rest was better than what we've gotten so far.

I'm with Sky on that we'll get a throwaway line in teh next episode.

Meryl
November 13th, 2009, 08:37 PM
Other more neutral places were Stargate discussion, such as Metafilter and Slashdot, have left the viewers in agreement that the use of ascended beings and time travel was ruining the show. Time travel allows the writers to cheat death easily and it's something they never limit fully in it's abilities.

I agree they should kill Chloe but i'm pretty happy they cheat the deaths and didn't kill the whole crew at the eighth episode you know..

Pharaoh Atem
November 13th, 2009, 08:38 PM
I'm reasonably confident that we're to assume the situation was resolved in the end.

scott fixed everything

prion
November 13th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Yeah, they said it was the crew. And I don't know if the creatures actually ate the crew or just attacked and killed them.

They ate people. If you saw Eli's body when Scott woke up, he had a piece taken out of him.

Radahldo
November 13th, 2009, 08:39 PM
They ate people. If you saw Eli's body when Scott woke up, he had a piece taken out of him.

His head right? Thats what they devoured?

Meryl
November 13th, 2009, 08:41 PM
His head right? Thats what they devoured?

more his leg in my opinion...

DavidR
November 13th, 2009, 08:42 PM
I think Lt. Scott made it quite clear what was going to happen. Still, I don't think we have to worry as I'm sure they'll make mention of it in the next episode, it's just that the episode won't actually continue event-wise into the next episode.

Major mistake in story telling. Story plots have 4 phases. Exposition, rising action, climax, and resolution. If one wants, the phases could be expanded to 5. Exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, resolution.

In Time, Scott only mentioned what had to be done, which is the climax of the story, what the viewers didn't actually see was the resolution. What was done to resolve the crisis, therefore in the viewer perspective, the story is incomplete regardless of what the writers think they did to resolve and complete the story.

I've seen this done in literary works where the ending was the climax of the story and the resolution was completely left out. Tie up the story was done in an epilogue. Critics were very harsh and negative towards the writer, the writers style, and give bad reviews for the book.

I can see Maureen really lay into Cooper/Mallozzi and Wright about it.

Cecil Brax
November 13th, 2009, 08:43 PM
I'm reasonably confident that we're to assume the situation was resolved in the end.

Honestly, I think this was probably the best place to end when they did. We could have gotten 20 more seconds of the next team finding the kino and a quick mention about how the cure worked, etc etc but it would have just been a rehash of what already happened and a waste of time. While some people might have felt it made for a better conclusion, this episode literally left me on the edge of my seat and I felt myself doing a 'Greer' and going "Yeah, get some!".

I think if they had dragged that ending out a little more, it would have been exactly that ... dragging it out. It wouldn't have furthered anything more, and wouldn't have served to be something interesting. It would have just been a rehash. The only logical way I could see extending it a little is this:

Scott hears more bugs coming, and realizing he is out of time pulls his arm back hurling the Kino through the gate just as the bugs swarm around him. As soon as the Kino hits the Stargate, making the whoosh sound, that doubles as the Destiny team comes through the stargate again, and pans back away from the gate showing them staring down at the Kino laying at the bottom of the ramp.

Anyway, that's how I would have ended it if I were writing the episode. hehe.

- CB

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 08:44 PM
Major mistake in story telling. Story plots have 4 phases. Exposition, rising action, climax, and resolution. If one wants, the phases could be expanded to 5. Exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, resolution.

In Time, Scott only mentioned what had to be done, which is the climax of the story, what the viewers didn't actually see was the resolution. What was done to resolve the crisis, therefore in the viewer perspective, the story is incomplete regardless of what the writers think they did to resolve and complete the story.

I've seen this done in literary works where and ending is rushed or they cut off the resolution phase and tie up the story in an epilogue. Critics were very harsh and negative towards the writer, the writers style, and give bad reviews for the book.

I've seen it done in TV and the ratings for the programs suffered terribly. A couple of them are well known current series trying for a come back in the ratings.

While I recognize this method as a ploy used for creating a sense of tension for the viewer, the same as a cliffhanger, the history of using this method in this manner, has been disasterous.

You're absolutely right. We had a resolution. Think about it. JM did say you need to use your brain with this one...

And what Scott suggested was instead the resolution, not the climax. The climax was when the second loop went all screwy.

the fifth man
November 13th, 2009, 08:45 PM
I thought this episode was really good. One of SGU's best yet. I can't wait to watch it again in a little bit.

StargateBuilder
November 13th, 2009, 08:45 PM
The aliens in this episode were very cool. There is one minor thing in the episode that I that was different from previous time travel experiences. Why was the event horizon flickering, it hasn't done that in the presence of a solar flare before.

ladyjanus
November 13th, 2009, 08:45 PM
An interesting episode. I'm not even close to fully understanding all the time-looping-back-on-itself stuff, but I enjoyed the work by the actors. Lots of good scene work here, lots of emotion and characterization, even if it does end up being some sort of alternate reality/timeline/non-canon stuff. I do love to see a good actor strut his/her stuff.

Very interesting to look at, as well. The kino stuff probably pissed off some folks, but to my mind, it was appropriate, given the nature of the story telling structure. Iliked the night vision stuff as well.

And the creatures were just way too nasty. Made me go eeeewwwww....

I have what might be a stupid question - Doesn't Destiny go in and out of FTL in response to whatever problems it detects onboard, leaving the people to try to figure out what they need to do to help the ship help itself and them? I thought that was part of the grand scheme of the storyline. The people can't control when the ship stops and starts, they just have to figure out what's going on. If the ship detected the tainted water, would it choose that planet for the opportunity to gather what they need to help themselves? IDK. I might be wrong...

One quibble, though - I have lost a serious measure of respect for Eli, afer hearing him confess to liking "Old School." that movie sucked. Will Farrell is NOT funny...

SBN
November 13th, 2009, 08:46 PM
Best episode yet, by far. Actually I would go so far as to say this is the funnest Stargate show I have seen in quite some time, maybe going back to something in season 8 of SG1.

I loved the subtlety of Eli mounting that Kino, then using the weapon like it was a video game. I say subtle because this was built up and not just slapped together in 3 seconds so they could have a "cool" scene that really feel just contrived. It just felt right.

I would also say that in retrospect I love the idea of having the Kino be the camera for this episode. It really worked. I have been kind of fence sitting somewhat on whether this whole Kino idea of filming would be a good idea. Some parts have worked, some parts kind of bleh. This time though it really helped to create an atmosphere, especially at night when they got over run.

Lastly I think they way they handle the time issue was done perfectly in that it was not all spoonfed to us like little babies. Instead it was rather complicated, especially the ending.

SGalisa
November 13th, 2009, 08:47 PM
whoa!.. shortly more than an hour ago, this topic was still on page 1. :p


All I can say about this episode is just WOW. Blows all previous ones out of the water. Just... Wow.

yes, I thought so, too.. so far, anyway. ;)
and speaking of *water* -- aka, the poisoned water from the ice planet.. interesting.. :D



Seeing as there is still a crew next week, yeah, I would say they manage to make good use of Lt. Scott's message, which implies a better than even likelihood that Chloe will be back among the living;)

yeah, I thought the same. As well as the other 3 guys who "died" at the very end segment, too.



My fav episode so far. The ending was classic. It was lime watching a horror film.

I've tried to stay out of commenting for a while to absorb / digest what has been presented and debated upon. As for the effects of the so-called shaky cam ---- I haven't really seen much of that. It's more like the effects of the kino has been presented as a floating ball -- the camera movements are more even and floaty like, in that particular sense.


Rush taking off and jumping through the gate was great an the visuals are outstanding.

Question is -- whatever happened to *that* version of Rush?



It's the same flare, at the same time. Just in different AT's.


The solar flare from the end of 1969 was the exact same flare also. They went through the gate just a few short seconds early and it threw them years further than they wanted to be. By all indications it was a few hours between when Rush went through the gate and when Scott threw the Kino through and it came out the other side roughly around the same time as Rush? Really?

SG-1's 1969 eppy was my first thought on the solar flare -- forward and backward -- it didn't really matter, because of the other eppy that paralleled the same idea. The kino recorded both or more ?? events on the same data stream?

anyway, creepy eppy -- in a good way, tho. One of the few that I actually could sit thru and not get creeped out in a sicky horror sense.

and is Rush really an "ancient," --as in he died, ascended and came back again.. or did he hang around Daniel Jackson too much... :D
;)

Sam StarEagle
November 13th, 2009, 08:48 PM
BSG fans were pissed at the finale of BSG for using God as a solution the BSG crew's problems. Other more neutral places were Stargate discussion, such as Metafilter and Slashdot, have left the viewers in agreement that the use of ascended beings and time travel was ruining the show. Time travel allows the writers to cheat death easily and it's something they never limit fully in it's abilities.

Actually in BSG the writers never bothered to actually work out what the "rules" for that universe were, thus the (IMHO) justified annoyance with them totally abandoning logic in S4 and saying "God" did it...

THIS, however felt like a really sleek and clever way of reintroducing the "rules" of the Gate's already established mythos without it actually FEELING like that was what you were watching...which I quite liked.

Cecil Brax
November 13th, 2009, 08:49 PM
An interesting episode. I'm not even close to fully understanding all the time-looping-back-on-itself stuff, but I enjoyed the work by the actors. Lots of good scene work here, lots of emotion and characterization, even if it does end up being some sort of alternate reality/timeline/non-canon stuff. I do love to see a good actor strut his/her stuff.

Very interesting to look at, as well. The kino stuff probably pissed off some folks, but to my mind, it was appropriate, given the nature of the story telling structure. Iliked the night vision stuff as well.

And the creatures were just way too nasty. Made me go eeeewwwww....

I have what might be a stupid question - Doesn't Destiny go in and out of FTL in response to whatever problems it detects onboard, leaving the people to try to figure out what they need to do to help the ship help itself and them? I thought that was part of the grand scheme of the storyline. The people can't control when the ship stops and starts, they just have to figure out what's going on. If the ship detected the tainted water, would it choose that planet for the opportunity to gather what they need to help themselves? IDK. I might be wrong...

One quibble, though - I have lost a serious measure of respect for Eli, afer hearing him confess to liking "Old School." that movie sucked. Will Farrell is NOT funny...

To be honest the creatures reminded me of that Season 5 Episode of Stagate Atlantis where John touches the crystal creature and then Dr. Keller is having a Nightmare of the creature coming out of Teyla's stomach. They seriously made me think of that this episode.

As for the water, if I remember correctly TJ said that there was a tainted sample that was put into the rest of the water that tainted everything. I don't think the ship missed anything, just that someone didn't run the purifier right when they were adding the water in.

- CB

Erised
November 13th, 2009, 08:50 PM
I'm reasonably confident that we're to assume the situation was resolved in the end.
Oh ok I thought we were safe from reset buttons lol.


Is it just me or were the creatures just badass goa'uld?

Gatebsg
November 13th, 2009, 08:51 PM
Sweet episode

Orion Antreas
November 13th, 2009, 08:52 PM
Oh ok I thought we were safe from reset buttons lol.


Is it just me or were the creatures just badass goa'uld?

Badass is a soft term to use for those aliens. That's how freaky they were.

Coronach
November 13th, 2009, 08:52 PM
Actually in BSG the writers never bothered to actually work out what the "rules" for that universe were, thus the (IMHO) justified annoyance with them totally abandoning logic in S4 and saying "God" did it...

THIS, however felt like a really sleek and clever way of reintroducing the "rules" of the Gate's already established mythos without it actually FEELING like that was what you were watching...which I quite liked.

Nice point! For a lot of us, the mention of the solar flares was all we needed, but it's cool that Rush explains the mechanistic problem with wormholes and solar flares for the newer viewers, and it fit perfectly within the story given that most of the characters do not understand a great deal about gate travel yet.

Very cool :)

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 08:55 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents
I'm not the biggest fan of time travel stories. Scratch that. I like time travel stories but I think they have been a little overdone in Stargate history. And despite that Time is a reason I really like Stargate Universe. I try to be critical and unbiased but I can't help it. I can't help but like the direction Stargate Universe and Time bringing. It is so thought riveting especially Time. It poked questions at the consequences of our action and without forcing it showed some crucial character foundation and development. Sure I guess it was predictable at a few places but I have yet to see a perfect episode of Stargate. Even Lost City had its flaws. But this isn't about Lost City. This is why I thought Time was a good. So without further ado let’s begin the analysis.

Due to the non-linear way this episode was filmed I will start reviewing Timeline A in its entirety before jumping to Timeline B. So as always we start with the beginning (One of these days I start with the end). Anyway I know some people didn't like it and it took some getting used to but I actually liked using a camera from the Kino's point of view. It was different and unique. And isn't that what SGU is all about? Doing something different then SG1 or SGA? I will say this though while intentional or not Eli with seem forced as he didn't what to do and was just standing made me cringe a little.

Moving on to TJ as she diagnosis the sickness. I love her as a character. Sometimes she fades into the background but she was front and center in Timeline A as she argued with Scott on how to best take care of the disease. I love that about her character. Sure she may be uncertain but she is not afraid to take charge when she needs to.

I liked the scene between Rush and Eli in the rain. Okay granted we knew that these two were different but it’s still nice to show those differences. By all conventional standards Rush and Eli are genius but their environment and life experience is complete opposite that they can barely stand each other. And that scene broadcast this. We see the socially awkward Eli in his recalling of cult movies. Just look at Rush in contrast. He is distantly silent. He doesn't utter a word unless it has to be something useful. So I can infer he is a social outcast in that he much prefers the company then others. Notice how similar yet radically difference these two are. They are both somewhat socially deprived but only Rush chooses to be this. And the choice makes all the difference.

And now on to the creature’s battle with the Destiny crew. That was a lot more graphic and intense then I thought. I never expected them to kill Chloe in such a violent manner. Kinds of reminds me of Doppleganger in SGA. The way a creature burrowed through Chloe was so graphic I think the Timeline B Chloe wasn't the only one on the verge of losing their lunch. Luckily my trashcan was 2 feet away

I don't get why people say Chloe is the useless one. Eli seemed pretty useless in this episode from the way he talks to the Kino about the deceased and comatose Scott to the way he just tries to force a conversation with TJ. Yes I know the forced was intentional. I will say this however I like getting some background on TJ and what her family life. It sounds like comes from the average and typical. Conversely I wasn't expecting for us to learn about Eli's mother sickness. Volunteering at a hospital and working towards a medical degree I know how dangerous and hazardous that environment it is. So it kind hits here *points to heart* when I hear about his mother being infected with a STD. And the reaction off Timeline B Eli was perfect. That exactly how I would respond if one of my parents was infected with terminally ill disease

Is Rush the suicide spoilers have been talking about. He had to know that with an unstable wormhole the chances of him making it back to the Destiny was very unlikely to happen. So then why did Rush do it? Well I have a hypothesis. I think given Rush's conversation with Eli about afterlife and ascension he believes their is something more then just the physical world. Okay are you with me so far? Second we know Rush is big on logic and not so big on emotions. Logically speaking Rush knew their was no way they were getting out of this one so he decided to take the chance and end the suffering now instead of waiting death to come.

And finally we come to the end of Timeline A. What can I say? Predictable. But maybe we can blame spoilers for that. After everyone died I knew Scott was going to wake up. It was so obvious. The same goes for throwing the Kino through the Stargate. It was obvious that it was going back to the planet. Based that we know time travel was involved in this episode and based that the only way to travel through time in Stargate (minus Ancient technology) is solar flares it was obvious that the Kino would be sent back to the planet. But I guess if a person wanted they could blame me knowing too much about Stargate technology.

Since a bulk of this episode occurred in Timeline A their isn't a whole lot to say about Timeline B. Lets start with the disease. I can honestly see TPTB are trying a lot harder in this series to keep up with continuity. First the sand bugs in Water and now these ice microorganisms in this episode. And I liked how they were introduced. It felt different. Sure we can say a microorganism infecting the Stargate team has been done before but that goes without saying considering how many times these people have been infected. Then what makes it different? It’s how the microorganisms were introduced. Never before in Stargate history have we seen microorganisms introduced in this manner. Invisible at first but then expanding. Also the creature’s venom killing the microorganisms seems a tad convinent since they are two separate planets in two separate solar systems.

Would I be a bad reviewer if I didn't touch up on Timeline B Chloe's death? Yes I would. Loved it and thought it was well done. Some might say Eli's actions were a little forced but I think that goes back to what I said earlier. Eli is socially awkward and doesn't know how to respond in those situations. So I loved it takes a near death to express his feeling to a person. It shows who he is and where his flaws are. He cares for her but is too afraid to admit it. I like seeing that side because we have all been. I've been their. While being platonic or romantic we have all been afraid to admit our feelings to a person. So I can relate to Eli's reaction and find it very realistic. Speaking of vulnerable I liked seeing TJ and Rush sad. TJ just breaks down from seeing all this death and that is understandable. And it shows how she is strong but as a medical person like so many of us TJ can not stand to see so much suffering. As for Rush he didn't break down but you can see a hint of sadness in him. And to think I always thought Rush was void of emotion. I owe you a Coke Lahela.

And now we come to the resolution. Or lack of resolution if you will. And that is what surprised me. I though the team would find the creature, catch it and take it back to the Destiny. I was not expecting an epic death like this where everyone dies but Scott. I guess the saying is true. History does repeat itself. Anyway the lingering question is now that Scott threw the Kino back into the Stargate without showing the full resolution, what happens next? Well I think given that Scott said everything in this episode that it would be very simple to catch the creature. But the question is does TJ's hypothesis pan out and will the venom work like it did in Scott. Hopefully that will be answered in Life. All in all Time is decent with a few nitpicks and predictabilities.

MattSilver 3k
November 13th, 2009, 08:57 PM
I've seen it done in TV and the ratings for the programs suffered terribly. A couple of them are well known current series trying for a come back in the ratings.

Bad news for your oh-so mighty point: Time was cut and filmed ages ago, so it was always probably going to end that way, and not because TPTB foresaw future ratings decline.

First off, let me say: Holy hell, that was awesome! My favourite episode so far, but I'd like to think I love 'em all equally...

Second off, to those who are pissed about the lack of resolution, there is a Kinosode (Kino 18) that has Eli and Scott - the Eli and Scott that are alive in this new timeline - tell the Kino about going back to the planet and picking up an alien in the daytime. Okay? There. Problem solved, and you don't need to be spoon-fed in the episode. It was a filler that introduced nuances to our characters we haven't seen before - Eli's family, Rush's belief in Ascension - that's it. But it was a fantastic filler nonetheless.

10 out of freaking 10 from me. I did not see the second loop happening at all until James got herself dead. Though that did not detract from Eli's scene with Chloe, nor Scott's scene in the second loop after finding out about Chloe's death. Scott, Eli, Rush, Greer, TJ - they all hit their strides and took two more steps forward in one filler episode.

Eli was a standout to me, and David Blue's acting prowess need not be discussed further than Totally Flippin' Awesome. Sad, funny and a little strange - that's our Eli! His scene with Chloe on her deathbed was great because the emotion felt real and raw and genuine - I felt for the guy. Him discussing his mother's health problems on the Kino vid was cool, but what made the scene was the 2nd timeline's Eli react to the video.

Speaking of raw emotion, how about Scott after he woke up from his coma? Holy sh- That was brilliant, and it kinda gave me shivers. TJ's breakdown in the hallway deserves another bout of praise, so yeah! Greer was as badass as ever, teaching Eli how to shoot (Oh, and Rush holding a gun was priceless.) and talking with Young about his alternate timeline counterpart's failings. Young's still the man, but him stepping back to let the others take center stage was needed, and I appreciated it.

Rush is Rush - a Magnificent ******* as much as is possible. His Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid line felt so right. Secondary characters did fine too - Park stood out with her scenes with TJ, and not seeing Riley was odd, given that the little snarker we all know and love is recovering somewhere.

Overall, a damn fine episode.

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 09:00 PM
Oh ok I thought we were safe from reset buttons lol.
It wasn't a reset button ;) It was a time loop that ultimately resolved itself. A bit like "Moebius", except this was awesome and that was awful.

Think about it....they still went to the planet, they were still poisoned by the microbes, and they still had to resolve it. Showing the whole thing again just to solve it would've been redundant and kind of boring tbh. I'm glad they ended it where they did, if they'd taken the expository route they would've ruined the whole thing.

Looks like they learned something after all: SGA's "Tabula Rasa" could've been awesome, except they did take the expository route and that ruined it.

prion
November 13th, 2009, 09:02 PM
His head right? Thats what they devoured?

Thought they got his shoulder, but realistically, the eyes are the nice soft parts ;)


Very interesting to look at, as well. The kino stuff probably pissed off some folks, but to my mind, it was appropriate, given the nature of the story telling structure. Iliked the night vision stuff as well.

And the creatures were just way too nasty. Made me go eeeewwwww....

One quibble, though - I have lost a serious measure of respect for Eli, afer hearing him confess to liking "Old School." that movie sucked. Will Farrell is NOT funny...

Oh yes, Old school was not a funny flick. I guess well, maybe it was when he was much younger or something and thought it was funny.

THe night vision made me think of developer. It was a B&W negative effect, more than night vision, which was weird.



Lastly I think they way they handle the time issue was done perfectly in that it was not all spoonfed to us like little babies. Instead it was rather complicated, especially the ending.

No offense, but I think i've seen the word 'spoonfed' more in the last couple weeks since Mallozzi said something, than I've seen in the last decade....


To be honest the creatures reminded me of that Season 5 Episode of Stagate Atlantis where John touches the crystal creature and then Dr. Keller is having a Nightmare of the creature coming out of Teyla's stomach. They seriously made me think of that this episode.

As for the water, if I remember correctly TJ said that there was a tainted sample that was put into the rest of the water that tainted everything. I don't think the ship missed anything, just that someone didn't run the purifier right when they were adding the water in.

- CB

Yeah, someone probably messed up. You gotta wonder what kind of scientists they have on the show. We rarely see anybody else except the main cast, unless they have "everybody please show up in the gateroom so we can tell you about your imminent doom" scenes ...


Oh ok I thought we were safe from reset buttons lol.

Is it just me or were the creatures just badass goa'uld?

Yes, the nefarious reset button, so the episode sorta didn't happen...

When one of the killer flying slugs got shot, yeah, it reminded me a lot of some gou'ald, or maybe the killer flying piranha from that really bad movie of the same name.

Cecil Brax
November 13th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents
And now on to the creature’s battle with the Destiny crew. That was a lot more graphic and intense then I thought. I never expected them to kill Chloe in such a violent manner. Kinds of reminds me of Doppleganger in SGA. The way a creature burrowed through Chloe was so graphic I think the Timeline B Chloe wasn't the only one on the verge of losing their lunch. Luckily my trashcan was 2 feet away

I totally said that too a few posts back! I would give you green for total agreement, but it says I can't do that so soon again yet. hehe


I don't get why people say Chloe is the useless one. Eli seemed pretty useless in this episode from the way he talks to the Kino about the deceased and comatose Scott to the way he just tries to force a conversation with TJ.

Eli was a little useless in some parts, but his Kino documentation, using the rifle to defend them, following Rush to the gate to get a response, and lets not forget "Shoulder Kino" gave him alot of purpose. In timeline two he was pretty useless, but in timeline 1, he was a major player in the story reaching the eventual conclusion.


As for Rush he didn't break down but you can see a hint of sadness in him. And to think I always thought Rush was void of emotion.

I completely agree with this as well. I saw it in his face as well.

- CB

Pharaoh Atem
November 13th, 2009, 09:05 PM
As for Rush he didn't break down but you can see a hint of sadness in him. And to think I always thought Rush was void of emotion

i like the hopeless feeling he was expressing with body language. it cane off like he was beginning to regeat going to the destiny

Meryl
November 13th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Hey about the water, why people don't think that the ship locked THAT particular (deadly) planet because it KNEW that the water was infected and that the cure was on the planet ???

Replicator Todd
November 13th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents


And finally we come to the end of Timeline A. What can I say? Predictable. But maybe we can blame spoilers for that. After everyone died I knew Scott was going to wake up. It was so obvious.
Well I didn't see it coming.....:weiranime42:

Detox
November 13th, 2009, 09:08 PM
I really enjoyed this episode save for the end. It's just so... anticlimatic.

Cecil Brax
November 13th, 2009, 09:08 PM
Yeah, someone probably messed up. You gotta wonder what kind of scientists they have on the show. We rarely see anybody else except the main cast, unless they have "everybody please show up in the gateroom so we can tell you about your imminent doom" scenes ...

Actually, I have to agree here. They may be good scientists but again these aren't the right people for this kind of mission and how many of them know how to test water properly or would think to look for little bugs. In my job at the hospital I worked for a very highly rated hospital and people did sometimes take shortcuts that on several occations could have effected life saving health care, and many of the ones guilty of that were people whom had made a career of their job. People think something will be OK, or want to get a task done quickly to move on, and they sacrifice time and efficiency that might actually be critical and put everyone at risk.

- CB

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 09:09 PM
i like the hopeless feeling he was expressing with body language. it cane off like he was beginning to regeat going to the destiny

I don't think he regrets what he does but given past episodes we know Rush does value life. Such a lose of life saddens him

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 09:12 PM
And finally we come to the end of Timeline A. What can I say? Predictable. But maybe we can blame spoilers for that.
I think you can safely say that :)

I've avoided spoilers as best I can, and I had no idea where this episode was going.

Gatebsg
November 13th, 2009, 09:12 PM
One new tidbit some planets will get more than 12 hours. Perhaps because life was detected?

MediaSavant
November 13th, 2009, 09:14 PM
Not what I expected at all. Rumors were spreading that this would be a typical "old-style" Stargate episode.

Not.

First of all, it was mentally challenging. Second of all, I have not seen a storyline structure like that...ever.

(Jelgate's review covers other things so much better.)

The first timeline was full of revelations about the characters. Not only did we find out about things like Eli's mother, but other characters did too. Interesting that we can learn more about people when they are facing death than we know about them when things are safe.

I was literally shocked at the end of the second timeline, or lack thereof. The shock was based on the writers letting us figure out the end instead of handing it to us on a silver platter like they did in the old days.

DavidR
November 13th, 2009, 09:15 PM
You're absolutely right. We had a resolution. Think about it. JM did say you need to use your brain with this one...

And what Scott suggested was instead the resolution, not the climax. The climax was when the second loop went all screwy.

Ok so, they find the Kino, get the cure, and no one dies. Next episode is back to the character drama and the events in Time were as if they never happened. There's the Telford and Young conflict where young knows Telford was banging his wife from the Earth episode and the other character drama of well... I forget... what is the ongoing character drama?? beside Telford/Young fighting over Youngs wife and Rush doing his thing? Eli spying on everyone and Cloe and Scott are back doing it.

aboleyn24
November 13th, 2009, 09:17 PM
I think you can safely say that :)

I've avoided spoilers as best I can, and I had no idea where this episode was going.

I too avoided any an all spoilers and I knew exactly where this episode was going from the moment they "killed" Chloe. I knew it was a time travel and I knew the reset button would get pushed like the magical Staples easy button. Sorry, other then some fantastic character moments for Eli and TJ the rest of the episode was too predictable for me. I like a little surprise.

Briangate78
November 13th, 2009, 09:22 PM
Not what I expected at all. Rumors were spreading that this would be a typical "old-style" Stargate episode.

Not.

First of all, it was mentally challenging. Second of all, I have not seen a storyline structure like that...ever.

(Jelgate's review covers other things so much better.)

The first timeline was full of revelations about the characters. Not only did we find out about things like Eli's mother, but other characters did too. Interesting that we can learn more about people when they are facing death than we know about them when things are safe.

I was literally shocked at the end of the second timeline, or lack thereof. The shock was based on the writers letting us figure out the end instead of handing it to us on a silver platter like they did in the old days.

It's interesting you bring up the ending. This had Stargate written all over it. It even used a Stargate plot device used in both SG-1 and SGA. The ending is what made it different. This episode was very similar to "Tabula Rasa" of SGA. No complaints here that was an excellent written SGA ep.

Sam StarEagle
November 13th, 2009, 09:28 PM
Is Rush the suicide spoilers have been talking about. He had to know that with an unstable wormhole the chances of him making it back to the Destiny was very unlikely to happen. So then why did Rush do it? Well I have a hypothesis. I think given Rush's conversation with Eli about afterlife and ascension he believes their is something more then just the physical world. Okay are you with me so far? Second we know Rush is big on logic and not so big on emotions. Logically speaking Rush knew their was no way they were getting out of this one so he decided to take the chance and end the suffering now instead of waiting death to come.


I think he's been trying to get back to his wife* this whole time...:mckayanime09:

(* Whoever the lady with him was in the picture he had at the base while listening to Opera)

wargrafix
November 13th, 2009, 09:30 PM
The end was weird. But the episode was bold. The actors really should be commended for the fantastic performance. They made traditionally mundane topics into winners.

Sam StarEagle
November 13th, 2009, 09:30 PM
Hey about the water, why people don't think that the ship locked THAT particular (deadly) planet because it KNEW that the water was infected and that the cure was on the planet ???

:mckayanime09::zelenka25:

I can TOTALLY see that...

garhkal
November 13th, 2009, 09:34 PM
It's the same flare, at the same time. Just in different AT's.

All I can say about this episode is just WOW. Blows all previous ones out of the water. Just... Wow.

Actualy i was unimpressed. Which is strange as i have loved the series so far. TO me this was sub par. All the 'kino vision' for most of the ep was needless as well as made it hard to watch at times.
I DID like all the 'coming clean' people did, like Eli letting us know his mom has HIV
Rush letting us know he was on the destiny for a reason (ascention)
And chloe's remark of trying to do something useful was spot on.


It's altogether possible that this is another instance of Destiny knowing that the crew is in danger and stopping to dial a planet that will offer a solution. It's happened twice before and I'm sure it will continue to happen throughout the series.

I did not get that vibe. Cause how would the destiny have known that planet's critters had venom that could neuter the bacteria they had in the water from the Ice planet?


TJ and Eli were the standouts for me, with a honorable mention to Greer. It was neat to see TJ struggling with the medical crisis, and I enjoyed her sharing family stories with Eli on the planet. Eli annoyed me a bit on the planet, but I liked his conversations with TJ and Rush, as well as his bedside speech to Chloe.

Yup. They did stand out, but i give TJ points more than Eli. His joking and Kino vision crap from the get go started to anoy the heck out of me. BUT he did win a few back when he was by Chloe's bedside. THIS leaves no doubt as to his intentions towards her.


here' a question for you What are they going to do about all of that Tainted Water?

Hopefully after taking the venom, the will be imune to it. OR they could just start boiling it.


As soon as Chloe died, I knew the reset button was just around the corner somewhere. Ditto with Lt James as the actress has tweeted about future episodes (ah, dangers of the internet!) THen Volker. Definite reset.

Agreed. All the tension they built up wih what was going on was lost as soon as that reset comes..

And since it IS reset, all that character development never happened.


And really folks, you go to an alien planet and start touching the plant life without gloves.... amazing no one got poison ivy

When they first started getting sick that is what i was thinking of. Either that or an airborne contaminant.


I'm thinking I know WHY Rush is sooo obsessed with the Ancients after this...can't wait to see where that goes..

Well since they never were there to have it happen, THEY never get to see why rush is there. BUT i do hope they touch back on this for OUR sakes.


I am a sucker for time/alternate reality eps. "Last Man" for an example I thought was one of the top Stargate season finales

So was i. IMO that ep was the best of the time travel ones. This though, for me was no where up there in the list. Heck even Mobeus is ahead of it to me.


Third, though I generally am OK with Eli, my least favorite part of the show is the Eli-narrates-through-Kino part, which is minimal in most episodes. But I got a super-size helping tonight.

So i was not the only one turned off from all of it.


Themselves from the previous loop

Can't be since they were there only 30 hrs or so, there is no way the bodies got picked clean in that short of a time.


They ate people. If you saw Eli's body when Scott woke up, he had a piece taken out of him.

A piece, yes. BUT the skull was CLEAN. That effort of eating, takes a good many days to get, if not weeks.


Why was the event horizon flickering, it hasn't done that in the presence of a solar flare before.

Perhaps that is a feature the ancients fixed with gate 2.0


Nice point! For a lot of us, the mention of the solar flares was all we needed, but it's cool that Rush explains the mechanistic problem with wormholes and solar flares for the newer viewers, and it fit perfectly within the story given that most of the characters do not understand a great deal about gate travel yet.

True it was a good look back for those who may not have seen the other episodes.


One new tidbit some planets will get more than 12 hours. Perhaps because life was detected?

That is interesting. DID it stay there cause of the life on that planet, or cause of something else?

DavidR
November 13th, 2009, 09:39 PM
I think he's been trying to get back to his wife* this whole time...:mckayanime09:

(* Whoever the lady with him was in the picture he had at the base while listening to Opera)


Jellgate: Is Rush the suicide spoilers have been talking about. He had to know that with an unstable wormhole the chances of him making it back to the Destiny was very unlikely to happen. So then why did Rush do it? Well I have a hypothesis. I think given Rush's conversation with Eli about afterlife and ascension he believes their is something more then just the physical world. Okay are you with me so far? Second we know Rush is big on logic and not so big on emotions. Logically speaking Rush knew their was no way they were getting out of this one so he decided to take the chance and end the suffering now instead of waiting death to come

Its something that was never revealed in detail on SG1 but we've seen it....

In a few of the SG1 episodes, Ascended Beings shed their physical bodies and then go through the gate without it being activated. The gate is a path to the higher planes. Anyone remember the original film Stargate and the translation Daniel Jackson [James Spader] did on the chalk board? He corrected the translation of Stairway to Heaven (Led Zepplin nod) to Stargate.
The original translation was another translation from Alteran. The gate is the stairway to Ascension.

Just my opinion]

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 09:41 PM
. In a few of the SG1 episodes, Ascended Beings shed their physical bodies and then go through the gate without it being activated. The gate is a path to the higher planes.
lol no it's not, that was just them leaving whichever world they happened to be on :)

Alan Wake
November 13th, 2009, 09:43 PM
lol no it's not, that was just them leaving whichever world they happened to be on :)

yes, which is strange in itself... you'd imagine pure energy that transcends space wouldn't need a Stargate to travel around.

wargrafix
November 13th, 2009, 09:44 PM
the back stories with Eli, TJ and Rush in that small episode catapulted the show into awesome status

Pianomancuber
November 13th, 2009, 09:51 PM
I can buy the fact that a solar flare would send the Kino back in time (we've seen it often enough), but two flares that send the Kino back to the SAME time period? Really? That I can't buy. It makes no sense. Even if it was just one flare going at a different time it would send you to a different time (as proven by the end of 1969). Am I wrong on this?

As I understand it, it's the same solar flare and the same time that they use to send the kino back. The first one gets sent through by accident (back to before they went to the planet), they find it and try the mission again, fail again, and send it back now knowing the exact time that that specific flare will happen ( hence scott waiting at the wormhole impatiently for it to be disrupted.)

joeynox
November 13th, 2009, 09:56 PM
im happy the entire episode wasnt revolving around the solar flare.

Azzers
November 13th, 2009, 10:02 PM
im happy the entire episode wasnt revolving around the solar flare.

Well to the writers credit, I think one thing they have excelled at is doing what they said they were going to do. Acknowledge the mythology without the mythology being the story.

Amakusa
November 13th, 2009, 10:04 PM
I have this suspicion the human skull they found was Rush when he jumped in the unstable wormhole.

thedrumm3rguy
November 13th, 2009, 10:05 PM
not much to say: after last weeks ep this was more than a welcome relief!!!

incorporated classic stargate themes, and with no $*(#&$N communication stones really did convey the feeling of isolation and helplessness :D

thumbs up for this ep! :)

- though greer shoulda put the m4 on 3-burst mode for eli ;)

Bookwyrm
November 13th, 2009, 10:07 PM
I didn't think for a second that tonight's deaths were "real". They'll just be reset by Scott's message and everything will have never happened. Which is mildly annoying. Just once I'd like to see a time travel episode where the characters didn't get to hit the rest button.

SBN
November 13th, 2009, 10:07 PM
I have this suspicion the human skull they found was Rush when he jumped in the unstable wormhole.

Your suspicion is correct I do believe. Rush was the only person to have actually traveled back in time when he jumped through the gate. Everyone else was in a separate, but present time period.

davidj78
November 13th, 2009, 10:08 PM
I have been a flamer of SGU after the first few episodes. It didn't feel like Stargate. I am a huge huge fan of SG1, SGA, really anything Stargate. I found this new series boring and had given up. I had even taken the step to email SYFY to tell them my reasons why I was quitting. My girlfriend talked me into watching one more before I quit watching. I watched "Time" tonight and I have to say, it felt like Stargate. It had a story/mystery in the episode itself while touching on the arching story lines. I really enjoyed it. I got up and wasn't angry at just having watched a 'non Stargate' Stargate show. I will keep watching. A++ on tonights episode. I hope more of the upcoming will be like this one.

badwolfSG
November 13th, 2009, 10:18 PM
This is my favorite episode so far, I even managed to like Rush in this!

SupremeLegate
November 13th, 2009, 10:18 PM
WOW, I loved that episode.

The rest button was kinda obvious, but a double rest button is a new one. It was handled very well, as you are focusing on the events and emotions rather than the rest.

For a moment I thought Eli was going to be the one to send the second Kino, but Scott makes more since. Though when is Eli going to do something Heroic? Not counting the shuttle from “Light.”

Chloe dies, twice. I’m sure the Chloe haters will love/hate it, but I thought they were great. One gruesome and the other heart breaking, and after her first death I would have thrown up too.

I liked Rush’s reaction to when Eli called him crazy, and we got to see a more of Rush’s character, I am looking forward to that Rush centric episode later in the season.

Those 47 minutes went by quick, and thankfully OnDemand did not shortchange me again.

Also I assume that by the next episode everyone would have seen both Kino’s, I hope to see some kind of reaction to them, at least a mention.

And to those commenting about the sudden end of it, well first it is very obvious what happens afterward. Second, check out Kino 18 when it is put back up, I understand now why it was taken down and why people said it was very spoilerly.

TheRandomOne
November 13th, 2009, 10:19 PM
I would not re watch this episode. It was a waste because everything that happened & all of the character development that happened never happened. What a waste in the end

dasNdanger
November 13th, 2009, 10:20 PM
This is my favorite episode so far, I even managed to like Rush in this!

I've liked Rush since the beginning, but I liked him in that 'love to hate' kind of way. This was the first ep where I liked Rush in a warm and fuzzy kind of way. :)

Excellent episode - to me, THIS is what sci fi is all about - action, suspense, good character moments, drama, and a bit of humor. Heck, I wouldn't have even minded if they threw a kiss in there, this ep was that good!

das

thedrumm3rguy
November 13th, 2009, 10:22 PM
I have this suspicion the human skull they found was Rush when he jumped in the unstable wormhole.

would make for a fun desk ornament ;) greer could make a candle holder out of it :D

DigiFluid
November 13th, 2009, 10:22 PM
I would not re watch this episode. It was a waste because everything that happened & all of the character development that happened never happened. What a waste in the end
Character development still happened, we learned about them. Just because they won't know it all in the end doesn't invalidate what we found out.

Hibblette
November 13th, 2009, 10:23 PM
Now this is what I call "Good SG entertainment"

There were touching moments (and I mean sentimentality, not sex) and very comedic moments even when things were so dreadful. That's how Stargate entertains me.

Eli boring the living daylights out of Rush and Rush patiently listening but is all too happy to jump up and assist and then Eli's look at the Kino is priceless.

And did anyone catch Greer's look while they're watching the Kino towards the beginning. My son actually froze the frame-just before Chloe gets sick, another priceless moment.

The whole thing with Eli finally letting us know what's wrong with momma.

Rush even opened up and now we know he is looking for...well his dead wife with ascension?

Eli's double claim to Rush that Rush was Crazy.

Also not just Eli channeled the movies-Rush and Young went with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

I was a bit upset that Lieutenant James died but as soon as TJ said Chloe was dead I was like-okay one more trip back.

I loved the dark humor of Lieutenant Scott turning and killing the creature at the end.

And yes the whole time travel thing was explained with the solar flare-very good and did anyone else think the creature may have been second (or third) cousins to the Ga'ould? When that one was killing Young at the end there it looked just like when the Ga'ould would enter the body of the host.

Now I'll be a bit of a devil and say how many kino's did they find? Was it just the one? Or did they find two...

If they just found the one then that means they none now about Eli's mom or that Rush is interested in the Ancients and their ascension quest.

Azzers
November 13th, 2009, 10:24 PM
Well obviously they can't be real in the timeline the show takes place in, or the series would be effectively over at this point. The only thing that irks me about time episodes, is I hate the easy reset.

That said, the whole episode was emotionally gripping and really had the "horror" movie vibe to it. I don't mind a little reset if it lets you play in the sandbox so to speak.

Although, I must say a part of me dramatically would not have minded if they had decided to roll with 4 deaths out of this episode. I don't dislike any of the character's, far from it. I do think if we had rolled out of this episode with that kind of body count, everyone would have to reevaluate the show in its entirety. I can't think of another show that would kill off that many character's although something like that would make for deeply moving television and honestly quite shocking. Plus, it would have been so early in the series that people wouldn't have been too attached.

leiasky
November 13th, 2009, 10:24 PM
The shaky and blurry kino was creative but distinctly hard to watch. I got tired of it VERY fast.

It was very slow in the beginning. Too much talking. I liked the little bits we learned about a few of the characters but it was too much. Should have been spread out more. It slowed the pacing down.

The last half was nice and I do like how they caught the virus a few episodes ago. Though I'd love to know why they stopped at that particular planet. Did the ship know they were sick and stopped there because it knew those creatures contained the healing venom?

And - the first team said they had 36 hours until Destiny left. I thought the timeframe was 12 hours? Obviously that was a clue that it wasn't the real team, but why 36 hours? Is there some significance to that number that I missed?

I did find myself wishing Chloe would stay dead. I just don't like her. Or Scott.

All in all a better episode than most. It felt more like Stargate and less like 'As the Gate Turns'.

fazza92
November 13th, 2009, 10:24 PM
BEST episode of SGU so far!
I don't know how they can top that,
though it was kind of a kick in the crotch for the audience, in that BASICALLY the episode didn't really happen, but nonetheless it was brilliant.

Neo Sharkey
November 13th, 2009, 10:30 PM
Up till now, I've felt that SGU is just "OK" (Still liked Atlantis better).

This episode was much better, but come on, the ending irked me. Eli couldn't have grabbed a kino, dove through the gate to the planet, and then, finding no survivors sent the kino through just before the creatures get him? I'd have thought him being distraught over Chloe would make him a little desperate for anything to save her, even to suicidal levels. They should at least let him get a chance of winning her over.

I hope the writers give Eli a fair shake going forward, it gets old that the smart characters are made to be the butt-monkey* of the show.

*http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButtMonkey

PG15
November 13th, 2009, 10:38 PM
I would not re watch this episode. It was a waste because everything that happened & all of the character development that happened never happened. What a waste in the end

Not necessarily. DigiFluid is right, the facts about the characters are still true regardless of whether they will express them a second time.

But furthermore, unless my time travel logic is flawed, there will be 2 Kinos on that planet when the "made to live" team gates there. They will find 1 with their deaths on it, and another with Scott's warning and solution to their disease problem. Watching the 1st Kino will still let the others of the crew know that, for instance, Eli's mom has HIV, and that Rush believes in Ascension and loves Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Knowing those things will change how they act around those people.

jelgate
November 13th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Not necessarily. Digifluid is right, the facts about the characters are still true regardless of whether they will express them a second time.

But furthermore, unless my time travel logic is flawed, there will be 2 Kinos on that planet when the "made to live" team gates there. They will find 1 with their deaths on it, and another with Scott's warning and solution to their disease problem. Watching the 1st Kino will still let the others of the crew know that, for instance, Eli's mom has HIV, and that Rush believes in Ascension and loves Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Knowing those things will change how they act around those people.

Timeline 3 happens because what happens in Timeline 2. And in Timeline 2 the original Kino was taken to the Destiny. So in that manner I think the original Kino is stored on Timeline 2 Destiny and Timeline 3 knows nothing about Timeline 1

Shan Bruce Lee
November 13th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Major mistake in story telling. Story plots have 4 phases. Exposition, rising action, climax, and resolution. If one wants, the phases could be expanded to 5. Exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, resolution.

That's not entirely true, and the fact that you say "...the phases could be expanded..." completely undermines your point.


In Time, Scott only mentioned what had to be done, which is the climax of the story, what the viewers didn't actually see was the resolution. What was done to resolve the crisis, therefore in the viewer perspective, the story is incomplete regardless of what the writers think they did to resolve and complete the story.

That was the resolution. To have to sit through all of that, the viewer would just feel like they were going through the motions and the ending would lose it's impact.


I've seen this done in literary works where the ending was the climax of the story and the resolution was completely left out. Tie up the story was done in an epilogue. Critics were very harsh and negative towards the writer, the writers style, and give bad reviews for the book.

I can see Maureen really lay into Cooper/Mallozzi and Wright about it.

There's a saying that good artists create, bad artists teach and critics can't do either. And that particular "critic" is a hack.

david2708
November 13th, 2009, 10:51 PM
Agreed. Any doubts I had about this show are now completely gone.

Ha ha, you keep trotting out that same line after each episode airs!

Shan Bruce Lee
November 13th, 2009, 11:04 PM
The aliens in this episode were very cool. There is one minor thing in the episode that I that was different from previous time travel experiences. Why was the event horizon flickering, it hasn't done that in the presence of a solar flare before.

Probably just because it's a different gate. They have a shorter range so it's not a stretch.

DetriusXii
November 13th, 2009, 11:06 PM
Character development still happened, we learned about them. Just because they won't know it all in the end doesn't invalidate what we found out.

Not it didn't. Character development happened to characters that disappeared. The characters we're watching haven't developed from this episode.

TheLastSunset
November 13th, 2009, 11:06 PM
This episode was the most amazing thing ever! Probably my favorite episode of the show so far.

Maybe they used those suits from Water to get the creatures?

Vapor
November 13th, 2009, 11:07 PM
Well that was impressive.

I was among those fans that saw no previews for the episode ahead of time and heard no spoilers, so the premise and story (aside from what the title implied) were a complete surprise to me.

I loved the shooting style of the episode. Every SGU episode uses the Kinos in some of the scenes, but they've never been put to use in such an extreme way. The opening sequence was fantastically choreographed, with seemingly random action taking place over a large area as the Kino slowly drifts around to see it all.

The eratic movement of the Kino, as it is held by various characters, reflects the frantic mindset of the crew as they are swept up in the craziness of not only being afflicted by some kind of illness, but also attacked by (apparently carnivorous) creatures indigenous to the planet.

This is particularly effective during the major action scenes. The use of night-vision creates a chilling atmosphere, which accentuates the level of danger and extreme paranoia that one might feel if they were in such a situation themselves. In the dark, unable to see properly, attacked by small animals that could easily sneak right up to you if you're not paying enough attention. The intensity level was pretty high.

What was equally impressive were the performances by the show's cast. Everyone that was featured heavily did an excellent job. In particular, Eli, Rush, and TJ had some fantastic scenes, extremely well-acted.

I disagree with anyone who thinks this episode was pointless simply due to the time travel resetting the clock. Regardless of whether the characters remember what happened to them, we as an audience remember it and we've learned a great deal more about them because of it.

Without the events of "Time" we would not already know that Eli's mother contracted HIV (finally dispelling the assumptions that she had cancer), or that his father is gone, or what he thinks about the concept of death. For that matter, we wouldn't have seen the amount of grief that someone like TJ would go through if she were to lose people under her care. And then there's the fact that we may have gotten a hint as to why Rush was so desperate to find the Destiny to begin with, as he and Eli have a chat about ascension and "leaving a mark" on the world while there's time left.

I don't know how anyone could watch this episode and think that none of those scenes were the slightest bit valuable.

In fact, even though Chloe will be fine in the new timeline created after Scott's message into the past, her death in the past shows us, in no uncertain terms, what Eli truly feels for her. It's not a passing "Oh, you're cute, I wish we could make out" sort of a crush he's got. He thinks of her as his best friend. And we see the toll it takes on both him and TJ when they realize that she has died. The feelings these people have aren't changed because the death never happened. It just remains as something we can look forward to being expressed in a different way in the future.

Some people may dislike that the episode ends so abruptly. I love it. Once Scott completes the recording, we already know what's going to happen next. We can rest secure in the knowledge that the Destiny's crew will get the message, follow Scott's instructions, and prevent those deaths from ever happening. Most of us have seen enough TV to know that this is what would happen, so I don't see why we would need to sit through another hour where they just simply do what we know they were going to do before they even started.

It shows that the writers on the show trust that most of SGU's audience doesn't need them to hold its hand through the plot. That the fandom isn't incapable of connecting the dots through a story that has already been laid out for it in plain english in the last 30 seconds of the episode. And thank god. Because there are so many episodes of television that would spend far too much time just going through the motions, running on auto-pilot, as I sit there checking my watch, wondering if anything is going to happen that I haven't already predicted half an hour ago.

Bravo, SGU. Bravo. This episode gets an easy A from me.

Franklyn Blaze
November 13th, 2009, 11:08 PM
Does anyone know how long solar flares last? The idea that they would last over several hours kept me doubting the whole premise of the looping.

From watching stargate (1969, 2010, continuum, the last man) I always thought of gate time travel as a wormhole and flare intersecting like two vehicles traveling perpendicular and meeting in a head-on collision, not some beak in continuity. Why emphasize the exact times for dialing in all the old episodes if you can just ballpark it and wait for the flare to come to you? This reeks of lame.

Aside from that I actually liked the episode. :)

Vapor
November 13th, 2009, 11:10 PM
Not it didn't. Character development happened to characters that disappeared. The characters we're watching haven't developed from this episode.

I think you're missing the point.

The term "character development" does not exclusively mean the characters themselves grow, or change, or move forward. It also means that we as an audience know more about who they are and what their outlook on life is than we did before this episode aired.

In that respect, this episode had a great deal of character development. The kind that can't be erased by time travel.

Jonathan Archer
November 13th, 2009, 11:19 PM
But furthermore, unless my time travel logic is flawed, there will be 2 Kinos on that planet when the "made to live" team gates there. They will find 1 with their deaths on it, and another with Scott's warning and solution to their disease problem. Watching the 1st Kino will still let the others of the crew know that, for instance, Eli's mom has HIV, and that Rush believes in Ascension and loves Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Knowing those things will change how they act around those people.

YES, finally someone else gets it!!!! There will be TWO Kinos as well as Rush's body found.

Great episode by the way!!! It kinda sucks that we're going to be watching an entirely "different" crew now though. I'm gonna have to get reattached to them. LOL.

PG15
November 13th, 2009, 11:22 PM
Timeline 3 happens because what happens in Timeline 2. And in Timeline 2 the original Kino was taken to the Destiny. So in that manner I think the original Kino is stored on Timeline 2 Destiny and Timeline 3 knows nothing about Timeline 1

Well, there can be duplicates of things thanks to time travel, so the Kino can be both on the planet and on Timeline 2 Destiny. There were 2 Rushes, after all (one in living form, one in skull form).

But let's work this out, because I think it's fun:

Timeline 1:

1. Away team gates to Jungle Planet.
2. Away team gets sick and is attacked by horrible, horrible beasts. Everything is recorded by the Kino.
3. During one of the attacks, Rush (here on known as Rush 1) heads for the Stargate and dives through. He ends up in the past, and dies.
4. Everyone else, except Scott (Scott 1), dies. He wakes up and throws the Kino through the Gate into the past, where it sees Rush 1. Presumably, since Scott 1 said he'd jump through as well, he ended up in the past too, where he also died for whatever reason.

Timeline 2:

1. Rush 1 (and probably Scott 1) rot to barebones in the past, while the Kino just sits there. Eons later, another Away team from Destiny comes through.
2. They find the Kino, find the bones, and goes back to Destiny with all of the above. They watch the recording of the Kino and get seriously freaked out.
3. They figure out that the sickness is from the Ice planet, and that the Jungle Planet creatures can heal them.
4. Another away team is sent to the Jungle planet to retrieve the creatures. They are attacked, and once again only Scott survives.
5. Scott talks into the Kino, telling whoever finds it what to do, and throws it into the past.

Timeline 3:

1. In the past, another Kino (thrown by Scott 2) comes through the Stargate to join Rush 1, Scott 1, and Kino...uh...1, I guess. These things then sit there doing nothing for a long time until...
2. ANOTHER Destiny away team comes through the Gate. They find the 2 Kinos and the bones, and take them back to the Destiny.
3. Presumably, they are freaked out again by the recording on Kino 1, and are thankful for Scott's info on Kino 2.
4. They get the creature, everyone's healed, and Eli adds 2 more Kinos to his collection. Rush places his own skull on his desk as a paperweight.

I think that works out.

Jonathan Archer
November 13th, 2009, 11:32 PM
They get the creature, everyone's healed, and Eli adds 2 more Kinos to his collection. Rush places his own skull on his desk as a paperweight.


Is it just me or would it be super cool to have your own skull as a paperweight?!?!?

senilegreen
November 13th, 2009, 11:40 PM
This episode is the best (so far), but also includes some of the daffiest ideas the writers have come up with.

What is so daffy: the time travel thing, which looks like it will be a redo of Moebius.

What is so good: the presentation of the struggle keeps the story moving so time goes by quickly while watching; Chloe dies; Rush seems more human; heck, everyone seems more human.

One down ding for the too-convenient-to-be-true plot device of having the night-creatures' venom being the antibiotic necessary to fight pathogens from yet a different planet.

Franklyn Blaze
November 13th, 2009, 11:43 PM
Is it just me or would it be super cool to have your own skull as a paperweight?!?!?

You know what they say about two heads...

KnightYellow
November 13th, 2009, 11:44 PM
Heres a thought i had about the aliens and how they just happened to have the "cure" for the tainted water....

When TJ shows the other characters whats in the water we can see that its infested with little microbes. Young asks how they didnt catch this the first time around and she says that it was because the microscopes couldnt zoom in enough (when the creatures where even smaller).

Given that if they went from being basicly invisible to a microscope to being blatantly obvious.... who is to say that they stop at the level that was present in the water sample?

Heres my theory...

The aliens on the planet ARE the microbes, and that the "time loop" has been going on for far longer than what the Kino showed.

Ie...

The original team head through the gate and basicly everything occurs as normal (bar the aliens).... but the flare still happens and it traps X number of the crew on the planet.

They eventualy start dying from the illness and one or more of them does what Rush did... they jump through the unstable gate and end up back in time.

But the microbes survived the journey (perhaps if there was enough of them then at least some are bound to survive the trip).

They grow and feed on the bodies and eventualy burst out and infest the area around the gate (and maybe the planet, who knows).

This means that when the time line catches up and the 2nd set of Destinies crew come through the gate they gate into the world thats already infested with the grown up microbes (and hilarity ensues).

This could explain why the aliens venom works because its essentialy the same creature, its not just a random fluke of a chance.

The creature might be able to interupt the normal life cycle of its young (who rest in a host until they are ready to burst out)... by injecting a venom that kills the microbes and lets the adult version feed on the body so that it can continue to live.

If that makes any sort of sense.

That seems like a decent enough way to explain just how they managed to stumble accross a creature that can cure their illness.

Even more so than the Ship just happened to know about that specific creature... despite presumabely never having been to the planet for thousands upon thousands of years. If the ships ability to protect the crew was realy that advanced (that it knew exactly what planet and what creature could cure an illness the crew had but didnt know about)...
Then surely it would have been advanced enough to know about the tainted water in the first place and just purge the water iself.

wargrafix
November 13th, 2009, 11:46 PM
ok,here is something. What if Rush's wife isn't dead? What if he is looking for a way to save her. or at least to that effect?

pipi
November 14th, 2009, 12:14 AM
Lame episode. It made me cheer when Chloe died, only to learn about time travel... gah. Such a let down. It was funny though. Had a good laugh when both his FB died. No one else to shag :P

amconway
November 14th, 2009, 12:20 AM
That was the first episode I've really liked. Plot!! Yay! Still no emotional connection with the characters, well, a little bit in parts. It's not the acting that's causing that, because the acting is continually excellent. Haven't quite figured out what the problem is there. In any case, I found the plot intriguing for the first time in the series. Very enjoyable, and I'm looking forward to next week's episode.

I certainly am glad I avoid spoilers. This episode would have been completely ruined if I'd known what was going on.

TheLastSunset
November 14th, 2009, 12:29 AM
The jungle set looked so realistic and amazing. I would never know that it wasn't a real jungle.

Albeno
November 14th, 2009, 12:34 AM
These sure are the wrong people, how the hell did they all die so easily to the creatures?! I cannot see one member of SG1 falling prey to a flying squid.

Also, I'm a bit disappointed that we've seen just about everybody die so early, it'll sort of desensitize us for their potential deaths later in the show.

EvilSpaceAlien
November 14th, 2009, 12:35 AM
Best. Episode. Ever.

This was just great. It did what 'Whispers' failed to do. It was actually creepy.

The creature was more interesting than the sand aliens,and it actually sent shivers down my spine, and the way it killd people was just :eek:.

Scott's reaction to being the only person still alive was very believable so I liked that.

Two other characters that really shone in this episode was Eli and TJ. Eli confessing his feelings to Chloe as she died, and when TJ bursted into tears outside of the infirmary after she lost so many people was two of my favorite moments in the episode.

10/10 Awesome episode.

amconway
November 14th, 2009, 12:35 AM
The jungle set looked so realistic and amazing. I would never know that it wasn't a real jungle.

It really was. The production values in this show are excellent in general, but that was really superb.

senilegreen
November 14th, 2009, 12:37 AM
THe human remians was Rush.. he went through and came out in that timeline... and eventually decomposed... so... the skull Rush was holding was his own :P


Yup. Would make Shakespeare proud.

The would be theoretically N possible loops and only one timeline that goes forward. So the loop in which Rush is holding the skull could have been the millionth!