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GateWorld
October 31st, 2009, 06:43 AM
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Colonel Telford takes over Young's command in order to enact a dangerous plan to try and get the ship's crew home. Back on Earth, Young, Eli, and Chloe visit their families.

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Mythophile
November 6th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Dang, I wish someone realized this earlier. She grows a real personality when drunk.

Skydiver
November 6th, 2009, 06:51 PM
A preemptive warning.

Please remember to keep all discussion respectful and polite. No vulgarity, no crudity, especially considering what happened with Telford and Young.

Discuss the show, not each other and remember, at the end of the day, this is a fan forum, not life and death. The goal is to exchange opinions and ideas, not 'convert the masses' to your way of thinking

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 06:59 PM
overall 8/10

nice to see chloe open up about her life before the destiny. loved the body switching LOL

rush owned the IOA guys

bad parts

didn't like see young,eli and chloe drinking and having sex in other peoples bodies i thought that was morally wrong

Replicator Todd
November 6th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Excellent episode, liked the bits with Young and Telford. We got to see what would happen if they tried to dial the gate, looks like our questions are already set to be answered. Chloe was actually hilarious when drunk. 9/10

AVFan
November 6th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Telford... Soon as Young finds this out, he's gonna take him apart cell by cell.

kymeric
November 6th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Wow good episode!

Young has a point, Earth is more of a liability than a help right now. Other than letting them check in on their loved ones this just showed them as a threat more than anything.

Its kinda funny this episode answered questions that popped up on this very board after light about dialing home while in a sun. XD

Who was that musician in the bar?

I laughed my butt off at the like about wishing a date would end without a girl crying, lmao. Poor eli ive been in that situation before with the drunk girlfriend being annoying and weepy while drunk ALOT.

Nice guns on the Destiny! Apparently they have weapons control!

No ones ever gonna follow Telford again after seeing him cut and run like that...

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:01 PM
didn't like see young,eli and chloe drinking and having sex in other peoples bodies i thought that was morally wrong

Well, I'd say that ending certainly hinted that Telford didn't mind. :P

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:02 PM
yeah. Telford is being a little <mod snip of language>

Mythophile
November 6th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Telford... Soon as Young finds this out, he's gonna take him apart cell by cell.

Tonight, Young grew a spine; I think Jack was thrilled. Goodness knows I am.

AVFan
November 6th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Well, anyway, pretty good episode. I'd like more technobabble as I said in the pre-airing thread, but whatever. It's not Stargate, but it's alright for what it is.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Tonight, Young grew a spine; I think Jack was thrilled. Goodness knows I am.

i think that's what Jack Planned all along.

Skydiver
November 6th, 2009, 07:03 PM
makes me wonder if Telford had known Emily before.

or...is he visiting as himself, or Young?

Jeff-B
November 6th, 2009, 07:03 PM
I actually thought that scene was hilarious! Now we know the stones are prone to glitches, but imagine the timing!

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:04 PM
yeah. Telford is being a little <mod snip>

:indeed: i have defended him all thsi time but i was wrong about him. he's beeing a <mod snip>

Radahldo
November 6th, 2009, 07:04 PM
I actually thought that scene was hilarious! Now we know the stones are prone to glitches, but imagine the timing!

I don't think I laughed that heartily all this year. That scene, man; my entire Winter is made.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:05 PM
so the next time we see Telford will be in Life.

jelgate
November 6th, 2009, 07:05 PM
makes me wonder if Telford had known Emily before.

or...is he visiting as himself, or Young?

My instincts say he is Telford masquerading as Young

Orion Antreas
November 6th, 2009, 07:05 PM
OMG! I am still shocked over one scene! Let me collect myself here before I can post my thoughts. I am still 'O_O'.

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Very generally, I must say I really liked this episode. I enjoyed it more than "Water", and the primary "conflict" of the episode was really solid. Furthermore, I totally wasn't expecting that from Rush at the end...very cool idea, writers.

And I must say, when Chloe started kissing Eli in the car...my immediate thought was "Oh god...now I'll have to listen to whining about THAT for another week". So glad it was just Eli imagining.

This is definitely Stargate, and I'm very excited for next week's premise :D

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:05 PM
My instincts say he is Telford masquerading as Young

as the world turns "dramatic music"

Jeff-B
November 6th, 2009, 07:05 PM
The beginning of the episode, I thought Young was just fantasizing about TJ, but the conversation with his wife hints that maybe Young has had an affair with TJ in the past...

joeynox
November 6th, 2009, 07:06 PM
Wonderful episode all around . The acting is getting better and better and young is officially my fav commanding officer is a very very long time.

This episode answered why they can't use a star to dial ho
e, they got the weapnons working, discovered dropping in and out of ftl messes with the stones and that young had an affair. the young Telford body jumping was CLASSIC.

What a great episode and I can't wait for next week

9/10

Descended
November 6th, 2009, 07:06 PM
Wonder why Telford was at the door in the end, I am guessing one of two reasons.

1) He is going to pretend to be Young and have sex with the wife.

2) He has a sexually transmitted disease, i.e. HIV and needs to tell her.

If Telford pretended to be me and screwed my wife, next time I switched bodies with him I would go commit a crime (i.e. rob a bank and let him have fun with that)

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:07 PM
The beginning of the episode, I thought Young was just fantasizing about TJ, but the conversation with his wife hints that maybe Young has had an affair with TJ in the past...

Indeed. While that was definitely a dream of some sort, it was definitely hinted at that it was sparked by something that actually happened.

On the plus side, I'm really glad that it's something his wife already knows about. It's nice to not have that weird "he's keeping a secret that he cheated on her" thing weighing in the background. ;)

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:07 PM
The beginning of the episode, I thought Young was just fantasizing about TJ, but the conversation with his wife hints that maybe Young has had an affair with TJ in the past...

yes, that's why she's hiding young's medical condition from the ioa girl on the destiny

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:07 PM
ha ha that's what i would do.

Radahldo
November 6th, 2009, 07:07 PM
2) He has a sexually transmitted disease, i.e. HIV and needs to tell her.


...Really?

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:08 PM
...Really?

fan speculation nothing more.

kymeric
November 6th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Wonder why Telford was at the door in the end, I am guessing one of two reasons.

1) He is going to pretend to be Young and have sex with the wife.

2) He has a sexually transmitted disease, i.e. HIV and needs to tell her.

If Telford pretended to be me and screwed my wife, next time I switched bodies with him I would go commit a crime (i.e. rob a bank and let him have fun with that)

Heh i thought of that during that scene, i was all... uhm u dont know where hes been!

Radahldo
November 6th, 2009, 07:09 PM
fan speculation nothing more.

Oh, okay, that's better; I asssumed those were spoilers for some reason.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:10 PM
so do u guys think this episode was controversial.

wargrafix
November 6th, 2009, 07:10 PM
Jack was especially stupid in this episode. Guess old age finally catch up.

The episode was really entertaining. The dynamic with the earth and the ship staff was impressive. And chloe's mom was great in this one. people lambasted her for the drinking thing, but considering, people would have acted 10 times worse.

Scott needs to grow a pair. Greer was calm, but it would be fun to see him kick some ass. And my theory was half right. TJ had hooked up with young.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Jack was especially stupid in this episode. Guess old age finally catch up.
.

how was he stupid i think RDA's work on SGu is better then some of the stuff he's done on sga and sg1

Mythophile
November 6th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Hurray! Now if he will stop treating Rush like the enemy and start treating him like a grieving human being, we can enjoy our happy new SG family.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Oh, okay, that's better; I asssumed those were spoilers for some reason.

i highly doubt the producers would go down that road

Descended
November 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM
...Really?

Would make a good twist, and would be a danger is switching bodies like that, you don't know anything about the person. Letting them have free reign to go out to clubs and stuff is just stupid.

What if the person you jumped into is an alcoholic, that is an actual physical dependency, and they have been clean for a long time, and you jump into them and hit the bar. You could derail them by reconditioning their body for alcohol.

Jeff-B
November 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Chloe got some character development too. She's figuring out how shallow all her friends really are, and how shallow she probably was. Neat trick though, switch back and let the other person feel the hangover. We also see Eli painfully aware of being "friend zoned".

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Jack was especially stupid in this episode. Guess old age finally catch up.

The episode was really entertaining. The dynamic with the earth and the ship staff was impressive. And chloe's mom was great in this one. people lambasted her for the drinking thing, but considering, people would have acted 10 times worse.

Scott needs to grow a pair. Greer was calm, but it would be fun to see him kick some ass. And my theory was half right. TJ had hooked up with young.

well he is a general. if this was Jack O'Neill 10 years ago he would definitely would've done what young did.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM
so do u guys think this episode was controversial.

i wouldn't go that far but you =could question the morals of using other people's bodies in that manner

Sam StarEagle
November 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Oh man, that was really, really good...like I never expected them to take Stargate *there* but always wished they had...and we got Jack again!!!

:jack_new_anime25::jack_new_anime06:

(They now have NO excuse to not have Sam on sometime...:sam:...but I'll be patient...for now ;))

But seriously, wow. Loved the scenes with Eli and Chloe sooo much...whether you ship those two or not, *cute*.

And AGAIN, how much does Rush really know??? I'll believe him about what would have happened with that plan, but still...vewy intewesting...vewwwy intewesting...:confused:

Mythophile
November 6th, 2009, 07:13 PM
My instincts say he is Telford masquerading as Young

That was my impression as well. What a scum bag. Hit him again Greer!:ronananime01:

joeynox
November 6th, 2009, 07:13 PM
I also really liked how the people on earth are clashing with yyoung and that Jack is going alone with them. Jacks face when young said his allotted time was up was funny

Jeff-B
November 6th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Indeed. While that was definitely a dream of some sort, it was definitely hinted at that it was sparked by something that actually happened.

On the plus side, I'm really glad that it's something his wife already knows about. It's nice to not have that weird "he's keeping a secret that he cheated on her" thing weighing in the background. ;)

And that would explain all the friction in Young's marriage.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:14 PM
That was my impression as well. What a scum bag. Hit him again Greer!:ronananime01:

i have a feeling greer will be the end of teleford ....some how

Replicator Todd
November 6th, 2009, 07:14 PM
By the way, to all the people who dislike Martin Gero, he wrote this episode!

Rosehawk
November 6th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Wonder why Telford was at the door in the end, I am guessing one of two reasons.

1) He is going to pretend to be Young and have sex with the wife.

2) He has a sexually transmitted disease, i.e. HIV and needs to tell her.

If Telford pretended to be me and screwed my wife, next time I switched bodies with him I would go commit a crime (i.e. rob a bank and let him have fun with that)

Or he could be Telford about to sabatoge Young and his wife's relationship to get back at Young.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:14 PM
I also really liked how the people on earth are clashing with yyoung and that Jack is going alone with them. Jacks face when young said his allotted time was up was funny

technically Jack didn't like the plan either.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:14 PM
And that would explain all the friction in Young's marriage.

yes, he kept taking duty assignments to be with TJ

HJtravels
November 6th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Earth was an OK episode. The problem with SGU so far, is that's it's a constant, issue:resolution setup. The main reason for the success of SG-1 was discovery. SGU has no discovery. It's okay we're here and we have problems. Atlantis didn't take off because of this reason also. There were so many problems, power, Wraith, etc. SGU must be changed so that there is discovery. I want to see success for SGU but changes will have to be made for it to last.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:15 PM
technically Jack didn't like the plan either.

i duubt he totally understood it :P

wargrafix
November 6th, 2009, 07:16 PM
how was he stupid i think RDA's work on SGu is better then some of the stuff he's done on sga and sg1

lol, goodness no. I mean jack. not RDA.

Jack was amusing stupid before, but in this series he is dangerouly ignorant stupid.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:16 PM
i duubt he totally understood it :P

probably.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 6th, 2009, 07:19 PM
here's a question: how much power does the destiny have now?

Jeff-B
November 6th, 2009, 07:19 PM
How about seeing the weapons in action? I'd still like to see them used in defense and actually hitting something, but it seemed like there were "cannons" all over the hull!

Yoshi442
November 6th, 2009, 07:19 PM
A preemptive warning.

Please remember to keep all discussion respectful and polite. No vulgarity, no crudity, especially considering what happened with Telford and Young.

Discuss the show, not each other and remember, at the end of the day, this is a fan forum, not life and death. The goal is to exchange opinions and ideas, not 'convert the masses' to your way of thinking

I laughed when I saw this scene, immediately thinking of how much fun the mods would have because of this scene. We're going to have to develop some acceptable euphemisms for sex in somebody else's body ;)

Also, for a split second, until they explained that it had something to do with going in and out of FTL, I thought that they switched bodies because Young (in Telford's body) experienced a .... moment of complete ecstasy.

les fleurs
November 6th, 2009, 07:19 PM
The disruptions were a bit disturbing. I was wondering if they would touch on some of the issues that would come up when using other people bodies.

Telford deserves another punch to the face.

I heard a lot of people compare Dr. Rush to Dr. Baltar, I disagree with that comparison and I think this episode highlighted a key difference. Rush has guts, he doesn't just sit around as others use his intellect for their benefit.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:20 PM
here's a question: how much power does the destiny have now?

it can't go higher then 40% and rush did say the ship will be back the way it was soon

if i remember correctly

Yoshi442
November 6th, 2009, 07:21 PM
makes me wonder if Telford had known Emily before.

or...is he visiting as himself, or Young?

Are you using known in the Biblical sense? :cool:

And if he is trying to get some by taking advantage of the situation, what a creeper.

Mythophile
November 6th, 2009, 07:22 PM
Rush was EPIC! How can they not love him after this (once they calm down and think about it)!

Chloe actually is a great drunk and the entire scene with Eli and Chloe was hilarious. At least she acknowledges she's shallow and wants to improve.

Skydiver
November 6th, 2009, 07:22 PM
we don't need euphamisms, it is what it is, sex during a body swap

Pat1487
November 6th, 2009, 07:23 PM
This is the best episode so far
Who agrees with me?

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:23 PM
Chloe actually is a great drunk and the entire scene with Eli and Chloe was hilarious. At least she acknowledges she's shallow and wants to improve.

I totally agree. I'm hoping things start to turn around a bit for Chloe, and I think the bits we got tonight are good evidence that the audience (in general) might start taking more of a liking to her.

jelgate
November 6th, 2009, 07:23 PM
we don't need euphamisms, it is what it is, sex during a body swap

We'll call it swex.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:24 PM
This is the best episode so far
Who agrees with me?

not me

light and air 1-3 are my faves

Orion Antreas
November 6th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Great episode. This is close up there with 'Light', which is still my favorite episode of the season so far.

That scene with Young being intimate with his wife, then all of a sudden the connection between Young and Telford is temporarily interupted. OMG! I didn't see that coming and thought that was executed really well. I don't care what anyone says, in my humble opinion, that scene was great. Did you see Telford's face during the intimate moment and after, back on the Destiny. He was P.Oed. Big time!

It was nice to see the ships weapons in use, although I already saw them in another video. Destiny has a lot of weapon turrets by the looks of it.

Chloe is actually becoming more interesting. It is interesting how the writers are showing us more of Chloe through her getting intoxicated. I guess that is realistic because real life people don't show their true self, but typically do so when they are intoxicated. She shown what she truly felt and it was a nice reveal for the character.

It was nice to see O'Neill again. Some decent screen time. It looks like he admires Young by what we saw through the dialog between the two.

Eli's moment with his mom was nice. I enjoyed seeing Eli hearing the words that his mom is proud of him.

Rush is just awesome. Simple as that. The way how he set everything up to get Telford off the ship was great. Telford is a coward though to take off like that. I mean yeah, he is just trying to save his butt, but still. I found him to be a coward.

Oh, about Telford again. His interaction with Greer. Man, that was great. When he put Greer in the room, I was so mad. Telford deserved what Greer did to him. Heh, I wish Greer would do it again, this time so we could see it on screen.

Last, but not least. The ending. What the hell is Telford doing...? He's up to something and it ain't good.

Overall, great episode. I'd give it 9/10. Also, even though 'Light' was my favorite, 'Earth' created the strongest emotional response from me. It had me talking to my tv screen. I hope no one walked by my room because they probably thought I was going crazy. :D

(By the way, did anyone see the preview for next's weeks episode, 'Time'. I've been waiting for this one since I read a small spoiler of it. I'm gonna make sure to avoid all spoilers of it so I can enjoy it even more since it looks like it will have a mystery to it.)

Annubis' hitman
November 6th, 2009, 07:24 PM
i have a feeling greer will be the end of teleford ....some how

That would be epic to have Greer and Telford brawl.

Overall good episode, im less annoyed with Chloe now and I continue to love Young and Eli. TPTB's best character by far this new series is Rush though, you think you know what he's think but you never actually do. This trickery this episode was unexpected(at least by me) and gave the episode a great ending.

Im glad that theyve dealt with the whole "what is Earth doing to trying to fix this problem" question but i think now we need to move on to some gate travel maybe, maybe some aliens perphaps. Next weeks ep looks promising in these areas though.

Hope SGU just keeps on getting better!

Yoshi442
November 6th, 2009, 07:27 PM
we don't need euphamisms, it is what it is, sex during a body swap

Wasn't really being serious--just picking on the friendly neighborhood moderator :)

Briangate78
November 6th, 2009, 07:27 PM
I don't even know how to review this episode. Some parts were really good, and some parts were really bad. The good parts were some of the best I've seen in the series, like Rush at the end, but then the club scene was just awful and some of the worst scenes of the series. I honestly have no idea how to even rate this episode. I am so confused. :confused:

prion
November 6th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Overall, not a bad episode.

Best part: Eli with his mother.

Worst part: Chloe blotto drunk whining about her ex-boyfriend (and since she's shacking up with Scott, what's her problem??) Ah, she makes a ugly drunk, but then that's what most drunks are like.

Poor Eli. Watch Chloe rip out mathboy's heart after he fantasizes about kissing her. Plus watching her on Kino. Hmm, love triangle? Sorta?

Meanwhile Young and Telford. can't end well, especially not with Telford showing up on Mrs Young's doorsteps. I think Telford has now taken position of perhaps most hated character, although he and Rush are in a tie, since Rush doesn't care how much he manipulates, etc to get things done his way. Sheesh. I can see why some character is gonna off him/herself one of these eps. No wait, it's the "they're the wrong people" stuff we keep hearing. That could be depressing to hear all the time...

Otherwise... it was okay. Eli stole this episode though, as did Telford. I could have done without the nightclub stuff. All it did, really, was make Chloe look whiny and self-absorbd (well, she is, to a degree), but geez, we were a few straws short of a cat fight!

My biggest gripe? You've got three stones. You've got two scientists. Okay, they're needed, but the colonel? No. He could be swapped around with someone else, like a friggin' REAL doctor who could examine Riley and see precisely what damage there. TJ is NOT a doctor! (Lord knows, she's said that enough) *headdesk*!!

So, does Riley live, die? Or will be all hunky-dory the next episode?

Give it a B- for Eli's scenes.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 07:28 PM
I don't even know how to review this episode. Some parts were really good, and some parts were really bad. The good parts were some of the best I've seen in the series, like Rush at the end, but then the club scene was just awful and some of the worst scenes of the series. I honestly have no idea how to even rate this episode. I am so confused. :confused:

11pm rewatch FTW

wargrafix
November 6th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Well next week is shaping up to be very interesting.

Atlantis felt so dead in the first season. Every episode was like, "ok, that was ok, but thats it?"

This series is like "What the hell happens next???"

Yoshi442
November 6th, 2009, 07:30 PM
I don't even know how to review this episode. Some parts were really good, and some parts were really bad. The good parts were some of the best I've seen in the series, like Rush at the end, but then the club scene was just awful and some of the worst scenes of the series. I honestly have no idea how to even rate this episode. I am so confused. :confused:

I know what you mean about the club scene. I didn't mind it that much though, since it did lead to some interesting character development. And I can't imagine they'll do scenes like that too often, so I'm OK with it. For now.

jelgate
November 6th, 2009, 07:31 PM
I don't even know how to review this episode. Some parts were really good, and some parts were really bad. The good parts were some of the best I've seen in the series, like Rush at the end, but then the club scene was just awful and some of the worst scenes of the series. I honestly have no idea how to even rate this episode. I am so confused. :confused:

You trust your old buddy Jelgate. But I loved almost every minute of it

Mythophile
November 6th, 2009, 07:31 PM
So, does Riley live, die? Or will be all hunky-dory the next episode?

Riley lives because he's too much fun to kill.

Briangate78
November 6th, 2009, 07:32 PM
Well next week is shaping up to be very interesting.

Atlantis felt so dead in the first season. Every episode was like, "ok, that was ok, but thats it?"

This series is like "What the hell happens next???"

I have to disagree Atlantis was an amazing spin-off, with so much life in the beginning to the end of the series. Atlantis always had that "What the hell happens next" feeling.

SGU has that at well, but it puts more focus on the characters.

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:33 PM
I'm kind of waiting for someone to bring up the obvious with regards to the sex-swap scene (sounds so weird...). I mean, sides for "Sabotage" drew such heat and a buzz, but it appears this one slips under the radar?

I wonder why? ;)

Squires
November 6th, 2009, 07:34 PM
After two good episodes, we got another episode where the first half is a soap opera, followed up with a good ending. But overall, decent. The show is moving along now and starting to pick up momentum.

Jeff-B
November 6th, 2009, 07:34 PM
Riley's been a good character right along, likable but not terribly developed yet. This gave him his Hero moment to cement his likable status. I just hope he survives.

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:35 PM
After two good episodes, we got another episode where the first half is a soap opera, followed up with a good ending. But overall, decent. The show is moving along now and starting to pick up momentum.

Well, it's good to know you don't think the night club scene was a soap opera :D

Briangate78
November 6th, 2009, 07:35 PM
I know what you mean about the club scene. I didn't mind it that much though, since it did lead to some interesting character development. And I can't imagine they'll do scenes like that too often, so I'm OK with it. For now.

Which is why I will just overlook it. My prediction however for this ep was right on the money, that Telford was going to be the more hated one, and Rush will look good for once to the Destiny crew.

I actually liked the scene when Telford switched back and is having sex with Young's wife, it was the "How can you stab me in the back, I am your best friend" that annoyed me. lol.

wargrafix
November 6th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Oh man, that was really, really good...like I never expected them to take Stargate *there* but always wished they had...and we got Jack again!!!

:jack_new_anime25::jack_new_anime06:

(They now have NO excuse to not have Sam on sometime...:sam:...but I'll be patient...for now ;))

But seriously, wow. Loved the scenes with Eli and Chloe sooo much...whether you ship those two or not, *cute*.

And AGAIN, how much does Rush really know??? I'll believe him about what would have happened with that plan, but still...vewy intewesting...vewwwy intewesting...:confused:

I shall bless the union as E-Coli

He knew. And more importantly, he realizes that its not a power issue. Its the dialing sequence. Its the same issue as the pilot.

the fifth man
November 6th, 2009, 07:39 PM
Riley lives because he's too much fun to kill.

I sure hope so. I like his character so far.

Overall, I enjoyed this episode. It was nice to see Jack again, and I loved how Young asserted himself throughout this episode. I like him more and more each week.

Poor Eli, still hung up on Chloe. I hope he gets over her soon. Nothing good will come from him pining over her, when she obviously wants Scott.

What is up with Telford? I kept trying to not hate his character, but it is impossible after that ending. He really needs to be taught a lesson, by Young and Greer.

Pat1487
November 6th, 2009, 07:39 PM
not me

light and air 1-3 are my faves

They felt too slow to me

I mean, 3 episodes to restore life support
I know they were setting up characters during these episodes but it just felt like it dragged

And with Light, it was just them waiting to die by flying into the sun until they got into the sun and realized thats how the ship charges
The tension and atmosphere was ruined for me because it was pretty obvious that the ship was going to use the sun somehow to power itself and that it wasnt going to be destroyed

This episode had character exposition, answered questions like what has earth been doing this whole time, answered the theory of what would happen if you dial the gate while charging, explained more about the stones, and had interesting twists that i didnt see coming

I got the same sort of feeling I get when watching SG-1, something that i didnt get with the previous episodes
The next episode looks good to, although i really hope they dont do the "Message from an alternate timeline/universe" thing because sg-1 and sga have done that so many times already

frankr
November 6th, 2009, 07:40 PM
My biggest gripe? You've got three stones. You've got two scientists. Okay, they're needed, but the colonel? No. He could be swapped around with someone else, like a friggin' REAL doctor who could examine Riley and see precisely what damage there. TJ is NOT a doctor! (Lord knows, she's said that enough) *headdesk*!!



Riley was injured after the swap; not before.

Besides; the colonel was swapped for the express purpose of relieving Young of command. The president _ordered_ the plan to be done; and Homeworld Security/SGC/IOA were probably concerned Young would refuse; so they relieved him of command and put in someone who would obey orders.

-frank

UAGoalieGuy
November 6th, 2009, 07:40 PM
I think the club scene was excellent. It helped explore more into the past of Chloe. They guys talking about her father and what a great and powerful person he was and that it made her realize it would be almost impossible to live up to what he has done in his life. It also showed that a lot of her "friends" were just friendly with her to get in close with her father so they could advance their lives/career's, like the guy she was talking to who was going to get hooked up with a job in New York.

Don't know why, but I liked the music being played at the club as well.

And man there are A LOT of gun turrets on that ship. Hopefully we get to see the ship in a battle at some point during this season.

Best episode so far this season and the next looks to be just as good. The scene at the end with rush was just amazing.

Briangate78
November 6th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Ok as I said, I had mixed feelings on this episode. I did not mind the sex thing at all, I actually got a chuckle out of a surprised Telford. This ep was a step up from "Water". So at least we are going in the right direction. lol.

I think we could of done without the club scene and the "How can you steal my boyfriend, you are my best friend" scene.

Rush truly added the finishing touch for this ep in the end by his clever thinking to get rid of Telford. I knew this ep was going to make Telford look even worse than Rush, and now I think the viewers are going to save their hate for Telford and throw Rush a bone. So good job on the writers for making Rush the infamous hero by getting rid of Telford, which everyone on the ship truly wanted him gone.

I also liked the homage to Stargate SG-1 with O'neill mentioning Carter and how her scientific ideas always saved his butt. That was a good scene. I also liked how Young mentioned how O'neill in his hayday was known for making decisions that were not always in the scope of the orders given by a superior.

Anyway, I'll give this ep a 8.5/10, not a 9/10 because Chloe's scenes really dampered this ep for me. I like Drama and character conflicts but come on now, that was too whiney for me the car and club scene. On the other hand Rush and Young have truly become the strongest characters in this series, imo.

It's good we are getting conflicts from not just people on the Destiny but from the people back on Earth. Gotta say RDA was truly O'neill to the tee here. He did everything the old O'neill would do on SG-1. So props to Martin Gero for remembering this is still Stargate and that SGU would not be here if SG-1 and SGA were not successful and there first.

jcainhaze
November 6th, 2009, 07:47 PM
Hated it. More of the same boring pooh.

jelgate
November 6th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Ok as I said, I had mixed feelings on this episode. I did not mind the sex thing at all, I actually got a chuckle out of a surprised Telford. This ep was a step up from "Water". So at least we are going in the right direction. lol.

I think we could of done without the club scene and the "How can you steal my boyfriend, you are my best friend" scene.

Rush truly added the finishing touch for this ep in the end by his clever thinking to get rid of Telford. I knew this ep was going to make Telford look even worse than Rush, and now I think the viewers are going to save their hate for Telford and throw Rush a bone. So good job on the writers for making Rush the infamous hero by getting rid of Telford, which everyone on the ship truly wanted him gone.

I also liked the homage to Stargate SG-1 with O'neill mentioning Carter and how her scientific ideas always saved his butt. That was a good scene. I also liked how Young mentioned how O'neill in his hayday was known for making decisions that were not always in the scope of the orders given by a superior.

Anyway, I'll give this ep a 8.5/10, not a 9/10 because Chloe's scenes really dampered this ep for me. I like Drama and character conflicts but come on now, that was too whiney for me the car and club scene. On the other hand Rush and Young have truly become the strongest characters in this series, imo.

It's good we are getting conflicts from not just people on the Destiny but from the people back on Earth. Gotta say RDA was truly O'neill to the tee here. He did everything the old O'neill would do on SG-1. So props to Martin Gero for remembering this is still Stargate and that SGU would not be here if SG-1 and SGA were not successful and there first.

I think the club scenes are needed just to show how useless Chloe was in the past. You can't develop without a foundation. The world is filled with whinney people. Look at Linda:P

*runs away*

prion
November 6th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Riley lives because he's too much fun to kill.

To me it doesn't matter. He'll probably live, and I'm willing to bet they won't deal with TBI since that's what he has...

Replicator Todd
November 6th, 2009, 07:49 PM
Its great to see that Martin Gero still rocks at writing for Stargate!

Briangate78
November 6th, 2009, 07:50 PM
I think the club scenes are needed just to show how useless Chloe was in the past. You can't develop without a foundation. The world is filled with whinney people. Look at Linda:P

*runs away*

:lol: Poor Linda, but she'll forget this conversation ever took place. :p

UAGoalieGuy
November 6th, 2009, 07:50 PM
I think the club scenes are needed just to show how useless Chloe was in the past. You can't develop without a foundation. The world is filled with whinney people. Look at Linda:P

*runs away*

Exactly what I said, but with a lot less words and more clear then what I said haha.

Cecil Brax
November 6th, 2009, 07:51 PM
Well,

I thought the episode was really good. It started off at a decent pace, and continued to pick up as it went along. I found it really funny how the exact solution other people were giving to get them home is exactly what the episode tried. It was a great idea, but I agree that the ship probably isn't designed to do that and in its current state is even less likely to do what they want.

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but I felt like Chloe got even less interesting tonight. We already kind of knew she was shallow, and having her admit it was like "Hadn't you figured that out yet?" then all the Ex-Boyfriend stuff ... why would she invite him to go hang out when she has one day on earth ... literally. I mean, I know a lot of people hang out with the their Ex-Boy/Girlfriends so in that regard it was realistic. Still, Eli saved that scene without him I feel like it would have been very boring.

Eli was absolutely amazing this episode. I love the part where he is talking about losing weight and then standing in front of the mirror and admiring himself. hehe.

The 'Disruptions' were great too. Good thing Eli wasn't driving when it happened. Ohh man that wouldn't have been good.

Telford is such a jerk. Someone light him on fire and let him run around the ship if he ever gets on board. hehe. No, I like the character in the show because I dislike the character. Kind of like how some people feel about Rush.

I had a feeling he was going to do that too. I certainly didn't expect him to run away when the going got tough. That was just wrong.

Anyway, that's my thoughts!

- CB

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:51 PM
I think we could of done without the club scene and the "How can you steal my boyfriend, you are my best friend" scene.

I like Drama and character conflicts but come on now, that was too whiney for me the car and club scene.

I think you're trivializing the importance of those scenes for Chloe's character. I have seen at least a few people mention already that they liked getting more insight into Chloe's character, and I think that these scenes did just that.

Not to mention, she was drunk and is obviously one of those emotional drunks...but a lot of interesting insight and truth still came out.

Just my opinion, of course :)

Jeff-B
November 6th, 2009, 07:52 PM
Chloe certainly put a damper on Eli's good time.

Ripple in Space
November 6th, 2009, 07:53 PM
This is the best episode so far
Who agrees with me?

Actually, for me, I've moved from not liking the show to disliking Universe. Last week bumped it off of my HDDVR's series priority list, and this week cinched it for me.

I think the writing is somewhat more clever and "edgier," but that hasn't come close to making up for the lack of any likable character. I liked SG-1 because every member of that team was lovable, and I liked Atlantis for the same reason (though to a lesser degree).

I'll continue to catch the episodes where SG-1 alumni drop in, but I'm done with Universe for now until 01x14.

My impression is that they're trying to go down a more serialized-drama-with-youthful-action-mixed-in road. And quite frankly, I don't think that these writers are talented enough to pull this off. I think great characters carried the last two shows, and this one doesn't have that. This genre can be successful, I think Joss Whedon has made some great television of this ilk, the difference? Whedon's flawed characters are lovable! The Serial Killers Whedon writes are more likable than the "heroes" of the Destiny crew, imo.

I'm sorry if I offended anybody. I'm just very disappointed that the writers branched out into a territory that isn't their element... Brad Wright & Robert Cooper are the wrong people [for serialized-twenty-something-melodrama], hehe

Skydiver
November 6th, 2009, 07:53 PM
telford running is likely what turned Jack more sympathetic to Young than Telford.

Jack may have many flaws, but he does not tolerate cowards

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:54 PM
I know this won't be a popular opinion, but I felt like Chloe got even less interesting tonight. We already kind of knew she was shallow, and having her admit it was like "Hadn't you figured that out yet?" then all the Ex-Boyfriend stuff ... why would she invite him to go hang out when she has one day on earth ... literally. I mean, I know a lot of people hang out with the their Ex-Boy/Girlfriends so in that regard it was realistic. Still, Eli saved that scene without him I feel like it would have been very boring.

Um...it was actually Chloe's "friends" that invited her out, as they thought she was Chloe's cousin (as that's the guise Chloe was using). You'll notice that Chloe was actually surprised to see her ex-boyfriend hanging out there, but the reasons for it were made abundantly clear.

And I think that's exactly the point, she hadn't really figured that out yet. I think we saw that she was starting to have an idea of it (i.e. Darkness), but I think these scenes really served to solidify these feelings for Chloe, given what happened with her so-called "friends".

Briangate78
November 6th, 2009, 07:54 PM
I think you're trivializing the importance of those scenes for Chloe's character. I have seen at least a few people mention already that they liked getting more insight into Chloe's character, and I think that these scenes did just that.

Not to mention, she was drunk and is obviously one of those emotional drunks...but a lot of interesting insight and truth still came out.

Just my opinion, of course :)

Chloe came across as weak, so like jel said, you need a foundation. She said she wanted to punch her Ex in the face, but then again she had no problem going after Rush after her father died. I think she has a lot to prove, but my fear is, before they make her a stronger character like say T.J. the audience may have given up on her as well as the writers. You know what happens to under-developed characters with no direction? They get the airlock treatment. :S

Briangate78
November 6th, 2009, 07:56 PM
telford running is likely what turned Jack more sympathetic to Young than Telford.

Jack may have many flaws, but he does not tolerate cowards

I liked how when Rush asked if they can continue to keep using the stones to return to Earth for personal matters the IOA guy questioned it, but O'neill said "No problem" right away. That is something O'neill has been doing since day one of SG-1.

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Chloe came across as weak, so like jel said, you need a foundation. She said she wanted to punch her Ex in the face, but then again she had no problem going after Rush after her father died.

Exactly, lol. She wanted to go punch him in the face, but Eli dragged her out of there :P


I think she has a lot to prove, but my fear is, before they make her a stronger character like say T.J. the audience may have given up on her as well as the writers. You know what happens to under-developed characters with no direction? They get the airlock treatment. :S

She does have a lot to prove, but with a massive ensemble cast like this...I'm hardly surprised that (just 7 episodes in) we're just starting to see a bit of growth for Chloe. I mean, I'd agree with you if it were the end of season 1 and she was still acting this way, but we're nowhere near that point yet. ;)

Skydiver
November 6th, 2009, 08:03 PM
it makes sense. first, jack has experience of what it's like to be cut off (being marooned for months during Paradise Lost and 100 days. Second, if you're a shipper and buy into the sam and jack angle, he knows what it's like to have a loved one stationed lightyears away and how valuable communication can be

third, young and his crew are running that ship, you don't want to chase them away and cut them off.

Mrja84
November 6th, 2009, 08:05 PM
Wonder why Telford was at the door in the end, I am guessing one of two reasons.

1) He is going to pretend to be Young and have sex with the wife.

2) He has a sexually transmitted disease, i.e. HIV and needs to tell her.

If Telford pretended to be me and screwed my wife, next time I switched bodies with him I would go commit a crime (i.e. rob a bank and let him have fun with that)

Didn't you or someone else post this on the first page?

DigiFluid
November 6th, 2009, 08:06 PM
Liked this week's a whole hell of a lot more than I liked last week's!

Good solid episode!

Cecil Brax
November 6th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Um...it was actually Chloe's "friends" that invited her out, as they thought she was Chloe's cousin (as that's the guise Chloe was using). You'll notice that Chloe was actually surprised to see her ex-boyfriend hanging out there, but the reasons for it were made abundantly clear.

And I think that's exactly the point, she hadn't really figured that out yet. I think we saw that she was starting to have an idea of it (i.e. Darkness), but I think these scenes really served to solidify these feelings for Chloe, given what happened with her so-called "friends".

Yep, you're right they invited her. So she has that going for her at least.

I can agree the character might not have figured it out, but many people who watch the show had figured that. The point I was making is that while in the show the character had a sudden realization, it was played out very poorly and kind of like a "Well duhh" moment for me. (I don't know if other people feel that way.) After all, the writers are writing for us to watch, and there are many other ways they could have written the diaolgue that would have been creative rather then her just blurting it out. For example she could have talked about wanting to take a more active and meaningful roll, or said she needs better taste in friends, etc etc, which convey the same message.

Some people will disagree with me and think it was done well and like the scene, I just didn't.

On a plus note, they picked the least useful person in the situation (Trying to dial home) and put someone in her body that would make her more useful. Though with Eli, I think they could have chosen someone who has worked less with Destiny. Though from their perspective, Eli is very new to the project and they might have considered him one of the least likely to helpful despite what he has shown on the ship.

Anyway, I just don't really think Chloe developed all that much more ... she still only seems to serve one purpose on the show and doesn't seem like she is progressing more then just in her own little world. None of her development is on a broad scale, its all within her own little bubble where as some of the others the development they are getting impacts many other characters along with themselves.

Just my take on it.

- CB

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Yep, you're right they invited her. So she has that going for her at least.

I can agree the character might not have figured it out, but many people who watch the show had figured that. The point I was making is that while in the show the character had a sudden realization, it was played out very poorly and kind of like a "Well duhh" moment for me. (I don't know if other people feel that way.) After all, the writers are writing for us to watch, and there are many other ways they could have written the diaolgue that would have been creative rather then her just blurting it out. For example she could have talked about wanting to take a more active and meaningful roll, or said she needs better taste in friends, etc etc, which convey the same message.

Some people will disagree with me and think it was done well and like the scene, I just didn't.

Just my take on it.

- CB

Fair enough. I'll still argue that even though it's obvious to us, it's not necessarily obvious to her. People rarely want to admit serious faults in themselves, but I'm glad to see that Chloe did and seems to be ready to start doing something substantial.

We'll see :)

Cecil Brax
November 6th, 2009, 08:20 PM
Fair enough. I'll still argue that even though it's obvious to us, it's not necessarily obvious to her. People rarely want to admit serious faults in themselves, but I'm glad to see that Chloe did and seems to be ready to start doing something substantial.

We'll see :)

Yeah, I can agree with you about wanting to see all the characters develop. While I still am not fond of Chloe, I would hope that eventually everyone on the show develops. There are characters I didn't originally like on shows like Heroes and even House, but they developed nicely. I certainly hope for the best. We'll see. Not like I am going to stop watching over a dislike for one character. hehe.

- CB

TheLastSunset
November 6th, 2009, 08:31 PM
So invigorating and riveting. A wealth of elements in this episode. Truly ASTOUNDING, my favorite episode so far (even though all of them have been astounding). I really LOVE Martin Gero's writing style. Amazing camera views panning out from the ship. This will tell us more how the rooms in Destiny are in relation to the exterior of the ship. So much goodness in this episode that it'd take forever to say it all.

AVFan
November 6th, 2009, 08:36 PM
On a side note, this band at the club is absolutely terrible. Not to mention the lead singer's hair. Well, on a less shallow note... :p

DigiFluid
November 6th, 2009, 08:40 PM
On a side note, this band at the club is absolutely terrible. Not to mention the lead singer's hair. Well, on a less shallow note... :p

YES. Man, whose kid was that that managed to get some free publicity?

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 08:41 PM
wanna dance

i want to punch them in the face LOL

retiredat44
November 6th, 2009, 08:42 PM
Jack looks bloated, like maybe he has as weight condition, maybe from a life problem, a medical condition? Steriods can blow a person's body up like that..
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to start trouble, but I didn't say anything when I first saw him in the first SGU episode.. but he looks like he either gained lots of weight,, or??

:confused::confused:


Jack was especially stupid in this episode. Guess old age finally catch up.

The episode was really entertaining. The dynamic with the earth and the ship staff was impressive. And chloe's mom was great in this one. people lambasted her for the drinking thing, but considering, people would have acted 10 times worse.

Scott needs to grow a pair. Greer was calm, but it would be fun to see him kick some ass. And my theory was half right. TJ had hooked up with young.

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 08:42 PM
YES. Man, whose kid was that that managed to get some free publicity?

Awww, that was Janelle Monae. I actually really liked the first song she performed "Many Moons", and have been meaning to put it on my iPod :P

retiredat44
November 6th, 2009, 08:43 PM
On a side note, this band at the club is absolutely terrible. Not to mention the lead singer's hair. Well, on a less shallow note... :p

That band sucked, but then again I am in my 50's.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 08:44 PM
my dad defenity would have punched josh in the face. :P; liking chloe

retiredat44
November 6th, 2009, 08:46 PM
I gave Telford the benefit of the doubt before, but, he is a real dick.. maybe I just see him as humorless and now adding a weird twist at the end of this one,, well, he's beena letdown for me..


I have to say the sex in this episide was not needed.. it went way over the top...

IMHO

jelgate
November 6th, 2009, 08:47 PM
my dad defenity would have punched josh in the face. :P; liking chloe

I like you dad. Does he need a drinking buddy? Maybe we will spot Chloe.:P

jelgate
November 6th, 2009, 08:57 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents

If a person looked up the definition moral ambiguatory in the dictionary I swear you would Stargate Universe next to it. Especially if you paid very close attention to Earth. Their was one big honkening lack of morals in this episode while some smaller examples. Bearing that in mind and bearing that I love morals (or lack of morals) in this case I think it safe to assume how I felt about this episode. This was very much a character episode as it shows us more about Eli, Chloe, and Young. But what is so great about Earth in intermixed with that character is a strong plot action and dilemma. But once again (I really need better transition sentences) lets show what made this episode so great

For those of you who thought a TJ-Young ship was going to happen I will gladly take the high road. *waits a second.* I told you so. I told you so.:P. Anyway a good piece of foreshadowing for those of us who don't read spoilers to tell us that at the very least their is some physical attraction between Young and TJ. Also speaking the teaser Ming Na looks great to be doing some acting chops. It’s also nice that we get some common sense behind using the communication stones. Besides that their isn't much to say about the teaser because nothing else really interesting happened.

I feel like Jack in that briefing room. I consider myself a scientific mind but I had a hard time understanding what they were saying. Felt like my head was spinning. Good thing we have Eli to dumb it down for us. Because I don't about you people but their are some things that just go over my head. Speaking about over my head lets consider Rush. Sometimes his arrogance is funny and sometimes it’s annoying.

I almost forgot about the Wray scene in Washington. Its short but it tells us a lot. We now know Wray has been passed up for a job many times and the IOA wants her to spy for them. But I don't think Wray is one to follow. I think it’s more likely she will double cross them. But that begs the question. What does that mean for the Destiny? I guess only time will tell.

Let’s start talking about the Earth scenes. I'll return to Telford and the Destiny later. I want to talk about Eli and his mother. First a laugh at the Futurama reference. But seriously we didn't learn anything new did we? We already knew Eli was a genius and a slacker and we knew that Eli's mother has some mysterious illness. But this scene had an unspoken thing and if you aren't very observant you probably wouldn't see it. Eli is at a conflict (No not the Chloe conflict). He conflicted with his love for his mother and his love for the new job and the new things he is looking. Like I said before Eli is learning who he is but the same time wants to hold on to whom he was. Such an emotional scene from my perspective.

Now about the scene between Chloe and her mother. Their isn't much to say as it’s self-explanatory. Chloe and her mother are sad about the situation that has developed but grieving has caused them to deal and accept it. That is about it. Nothing ground breaking but it kind of tells us the relationship between these characters

Moving back to the Destiny. Telford you are *censored*. In a lot of ways you are like Rush. You’re a jerk and if I saw you in real life I would probably punch you in the nose but at the same time I find your character intriguing. I love seeing you bitter about Greer and locking him in a cell. Don't you think whatever the reason for punching you that he has suffered enough? Further more I know that Rush can't be trusted but don't you think provoking Rush is a bad idea. He does know more then you at the moment.

No not Sgt. Riley. He is the most awesome recurring character we have yet. Actually I like seeing more uses of those suits and confirming we still have too. For a long time I thought Riley was a coward. But that scene proves he isn't. He risked his own life to save the ship and everyone on it. That is proof enough that Riley is anything but a coward and I think that will point us into more direction that Riley despite spying on a certain 2nd Lt. is deep down a good person.

You have been asking for it and I will give it to you. No not the club scene. We'll get to that next paragraph. I wonder who Emily was talking about. She implies that Young had an affair with someone. Given Young's daydream earlier the first guess would be TJ But without some more concrete canon evidence it’s hard to say who this was directed at. And I wonder if Young knows what moral ambigulatory means. He just committed a serious act. Sure I can understand why he did it. He was emotional grief stricken about losing Emily and didn't think about his actions. He didn't really care or think about the consequences. All that mattered to Young was seeing his love again. So while I can understand it the scene still doesn't excuse for Col. Young's apparent lack of morals.

I expect this whole club thing will cause a stir of fandom I can't help but say the club scene was good. Given what has happened so far with I think something like this was needed. I think we needed a showcase just how worthless (stay with me Chloe thunkers) Chloe is. She is more like Eli that she would like to admit. Chloe may have a degree but she really hasn't done anything and people are only using her for political influence. It’s easy to hide from that in the real world but when a person is thrown into traumatic experiences it’s easy to see things in a new light. And I think that is what happened. Being on the Destiny has shown Chloe just how useless she is and how worthless her friends were.

I can't talk about the club scene and not talk about Eli in the car. Seems like we have a repeat of Darkness here. But before I get serious let me say I :lol: at the part where Eli imagines himself kissing Chloe. But on to more serious issues. This just reaffirms what we already know and probably solidifies it even more. Eli telling her she isn't worthless and Chloe saying Eli is a good person but hinting she isn't the right person for him. How many us have been there before? Seriously show of hands. It’s an interesting and quite realistic love triangle. One I think many of us have been in before.( Well except maybe you female posters:S). We feel for Eli because many have been like that before where we have feelings for the girl but she likes someone else either for shallow or deep reasons. And I think that is why many of us will identify with Eli because many of us have been there. But I warn the writers this is very thin ice you are walking on. Love triangles have a knack for being written poorly. So far I am satisfied but be careful what you do. It could end up badly.

Back to the Destiny as the story reaches its climax. Okay we knew it wouldn't work. That much is obvious. But I think their are too interesting angles. Telford being a coward I did not see happening so it’s an interesting angle. He is not the hard ass good soldier that I thought he was. Also I knew Rush was up to something but I didn't think he would stage something. Its just continues what we know. Rush can not be trusted. So maybe I should have seen it coming but I didn't. But I love seeing Eli spying on Rush. We can see a division coming. I wonder who would you side with? More importantly who would you side with?

Jedted
November 6th, 2009, 09:02 PM
I totally anticipated the akward sex scene with Young's wife since i knew they had the communication stones on the Destiny. That's gotta be weird for her knowing that it's Young in Telford's body, not mention the awkardness when the communication was temporarily severed and Telford was like "what the frak?!".

I'll admit i enjoyed the "drunk kiss" between Eli and Chloe. I'm geussing Chloe knows HER limits when it comes to alcohol but obviously the chick she was possesing doesn't have the same tolerance level. :D

ladyjanus
November 6th, 2009, 09:09 PM
A good episode, IMHO....

Confirmation, it seems, on the speculations about TJ and EY, which is cool, and some interesting character development and back stories, and lots of kissing, hmmmm. Not something we are used to on Stargate, but I for one could definitely get used to it.

Love the interaction between Eli and his mom (schnitzel!) and between Eli and Chloe. Eli's face when he is mugging at Chloe over the good looking girl he was danceing with was choice. Made me laugh. And I loved the look on the swapped-in scientist's face when he realized what Eli's body was wearing.

One quibble, though. Not everyone was in on Rush's plan, and from the look on her face, TJ was one of the ones not in the loop. If she thought they were bugging out, where was Riley? Did she leave him injured and unconscious in the infirmary. Is he dead? I hope not, I like Riley. Like his dead-pan take on things.

If future episodes stay as good as this one, I just might be forced to become a fan of this show....

MattSilver 3k
November 6th, 2009, 09:13 PM
Liked it well enough. Perhaps it'll sound better by the time I've typed this all out, so lets get to it.

First off, Young's the man, once more. His spine grew tenfold when he stood up to Jack and the IOA kids at the end of the episode, and his growth throughout was brilliant - he was the first choice for the 9th Chevron mission, and then turned it down. He didn't have it in him, and I bet that his lack of 'fire' has something to do with juggling his wife and his possible affair with TJ. That first opening scene shocked the hell out of me - not because I didn't see the Young/TJ hookup coming, but because it was a sudden way to start the episode. When Young woke up, he kind of looked disappointed in a way from being shaken from that dream... makes me wonder how close he is to TJ...

Eli, Chloe, Telford and Rush were the other standouts, but we'll get to them. First off, Greer Vs Telford was exceptional in that Greer just kept his cool the entire time, and let Telford lock him up. Then, when push came to shove, he wanted Young back. The relationship between Young and Greer is a great contrast to Greer and Telford; I love it. Scott didn't have too much to do, but I didn't dislike any of his scenes (And I rarely do dislike one of his scenes, but still).

Camille's always a blast, and I smell huge development for her coming up soon. Her scene with Rush while they watched Destiny's weapons go all firing (Which was awesome - this old boat has a lot of guns...) was a highlight. My next special mention goes to Riley - now that he survived after such a little Hero Moment, he's just awesome. Him telling his family he's on sabbatical in Africa was hilarious.

Telford... wow. He's a very good antagonist, and him getting back at Young by visiting Young's wife is a nice move on his part (In that it's such a ******* thing he can do to piss off Young.) The body switching/glitching was pretty funny, especially Eli's cry about he couldn't believe it was happening to him over and over. Eli's humour was a standout here, but his emotional-y scenes with his mother - wow. Looks like our comic relief's something more than just that! :D

Chloe's developments were good, and I laughed at her drunken talk - props to Elyse Levesque for that, of course. Eli's little fantasy with her was cool, but it took a downer when she labelled them as friends. Either the writers truly believe that the two will remain friends, or they're setting up some kind of crazy love story - I don't mind either, really. Although I found the catalyst for Chloe's realisation about herself was sort-of weak, I got that she was a shallow lass, and working with her father centred her a lot. Nice developing.

Rush was awesome, and for once, he came off as a sort-of good guy with the occasional bad guy moments. Of course, he'll be back to full-blown bad guy soon enough, but the flip flopping is enjoyable. His delight in explaining how he set the whole power cataclysm up was great - it was all just theater to him. Running Telford off - and I honestly thought that Greer and Scott were going to do something drastic before Rush did - was such a Chessmaster move for him to make.

Onto the plot - nice. Everyone here had thoughts of using the star power-up and dial the gate while there, and not two episodes later - BAM! It was a nice try, though, and we got some cool CGI (Skimming the star again! Awesome!) during it.

Overall, I liked it a lot - hey, I knew typing it out would feel better! My second viewing will be much more appreciative, weird as that sounds. Happy birthday to me!

StarFighter
November 6th, 2009, 09:30 PM
I hated how they glossed right over any details on how the plan would work. All they said was that it would be powered by the sun.

The_Asgard_live
November 6th, 2009, 09:33 PM
This is the second time where prior to the show I have made some frustrated sarcastic remark about the next ridiculous thing to happen and then its popped up in the show.

Not a good sign.

So quick review from someone who hasn't liked much of the show so far... Still not liking much of the show.

Sans the Young and TJ opening, the show seemed promising at first, Then... Chloe whined again, Someone had sex, Someone makes out, Some military person does something unmilitary-like, A club scene? (Just start adding teenage vampire characters and get it over with already) and the ship survives.

Favorite part(s), the nod to Furturama, Jack was back, and I think there was something else that made me laugh but I have already forgotten.

That is all.

Pharaoh Atem
November 6th, 2009, 09:33 PM
I hated how they glossed right over any details on how the plan would work. All they said was that it would be powered by the sun.

it was a forgone conclusion it wasn't going to work so IMo we didn;'t need to now. the ioa felt if the ship was in a sun it would fullfil the power requirements to dial earth.

simple

BurningIce
November 6th, 2009, 09:35 PM
First, let me state my position on a particular point: Chloe kissing Eli, was all in Eli's head.

Now back to the episode.

This episode was pretty damn good. They've now shown the stones as very fallible tools. Not the magical solution they can rely on. Technically and in terms of "unforseen side effects".

RDA, top stuff. Destiny has weapons, nice. Young and Telford don't see eye to eye now, oh this is going to be good.

Rush's actions at the end, this guy (Rush and Carlyle) is one cool operator. No one can truly "read" Rush and that works to his advantage. Looks like Brody might now be in the Rush camp too.

major davis
November 6th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Ya I was kinda sad we didn't find out how it would work. Still the sex and club scene were way overhyped and didn't bother me. Ok episode. Water was better.

6.5/10

Coronach
November 6th, 2009, 09:47 PM
First, let me state my position on a particular point: Chloe kissing Eli, was all in Eli's head.

Haha, probably don't need to state your position in something that actually happened. But I'm glad to see you weren't confused like my roommate was :P

Nemises
November 6th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Chloe whining and weeping annoyed me no end again...it seems she's only there to have sex or cry.

Other than that it was a good episode.

Krisz
November 6th, 2009, 10:12 PM
I actually thought that scene was hilarious! Now we know the stones are prone to glitches, but imagine the timing!

Me too, the scene with Telford jumping into the 'bedroom' moment was the funniest thing I've seen on Stargate since the loop antics in SG-1's WoO!

Telford returning at the end, I haven't had an urge to go 'boo, hiss' at a character in ages. A lot to think about what is going on there, and what sort of a man he is, or are things not as they seem?

This episode had me entertained completely as far as character development and plot thickening goes. I'm really interested to see how it all plays out now. I'm really liking how Young is becoming such a great character, I'm enjoying watching him as much as I did Jack O'Neill in SG-1. Great stuff!

….and we got some Jack O’Neill. When he was talking to Young in his office it reminded me of his moments with Hammond. He understood Young's situation and wanting to get round the ‘orders’ to back him up whilst toeing the line with his superiors. A nice moment for an old SG-1 fan like me! :D

garhkal
November 6th, 2009, 10:34 PM
Dang, I wish someone realized this earlier. She grows a real personality when drunk.

Most females i know are that way when drunk. But then again so are a lot of guys. There is a reason people call it liquid courage.


Its kinda funny this episode answered questions that popped up on this very board after light about dialing home while in a sun. XD

As soon as i saw the preview for this where they mention having a possible way to get them back home that is what i thought about..


Who was that musician in the bar?

No clue but she did give me a grace kelly vibe.


No ones ever gonna follow Telford again after seeing him cut and run like that...

While his respect level took quite a beating, i think there will still be people who follow him just cause he is senior ranking to them.

QUOTE]Tonight, Young grew a spine; I think Jack was thrilled. Goodness [knows I am. [/QUOTE]

Only at the end. Before hand he seemed a little 'well i don't know.. let me ask everyone. IMO that is wrong for a CO to have to do.
It shows lack of trust in your capacity to command, and if your underlings see it, they wont trust your decisions in the future.


My instincts say he is Telford masquerading as Young

Masquerading as young being in telfords body..


The beginning of the episode, I thought Young was just fantasizing about TJ, but the conversation with his wife hints that maybe Young has had an affair with TJ in the past...

Well, we all suspected it from Air Pt 1 and 2, with her wanting to leave the service.. Now we have confirmation of it.


Scott needs to grow a pair.

He did seem a little indecicive. BUT i wonder if it was him who approached rush about doing the thing at the end to get Telford to leave...


What if the person you jumped into is an alcoholic, that is an actual physical dependency, and they have been clean for a long time, and you jump into them and hit the bar. You could derail them by reconditioning their body for alcohol.

Or worse, what if they have an allergy to something and you eat it. Some of those allergic reactions can kill REAL quick.


I heard a lot of people compare Dr. Rush to Dr. Baltar, I disagree with that comparison and I think this episode highlighted a key difference. Rush has guts, he doesn't just sit around as others use his intellect for their benefit.

Plus baltar seemed to only do stuff to benefit himself, where as Rush while still self serving, will do it to help them all.


I totally agree. I'm hoping things start to turn around a bit for Chloe, and I think the bits we got tonight are good evidence that the audience (in general) might start taking more of a liking to her.

While i too hope this turns her around, it also lowered her in my eyes as she had sex with Scott back in light even though she was ranting against her friend 'being' with her BF... Double standard there don't ya think??!!:eek::eek:

When he put Greer in the room, I was so mad.

BUT it was also logical..
He has been disrespectful in the past, and has yet to be properly punished.


Best part: Eli with his mother.

When she caught him with the cookie mix stuff, i wonder if she 'clicked' something was off.


I have to disagree Atlantis was an amazing spin-off, with so much life in the beginning to the end of the series. Atlantis always had that "What the hell happens next" feeling.

With a few exceptions. I could have done without that ep with Chaya, the kid planet AND that home...


I also liked the homage to Stargate SG-1 with O'neill mentioning Carter and how her scientific ideas always saved his butt. That was a good scene. I also liked how Young mentioned how O'neill in his hayday was known for making decisions that were not always in the scope of the orders given by a superior.

I was very surprised that they did that. I figured they would leave SG1 stuff out of it. BUT i was also glad of it as well.


Chloe certainly put a damper on Eli's good time.

Been there done that. I have lost track of the number of times i had to pull a person out of a bar (mostly when in shore patrol), or be the designated driver..


I liked how when Rush asked if they can continue to keep using the stones to return to Earth for personal matters the IOA guy questioned it, but O'neill said "No problem" right away. That is something O'neill has been doing since day one of SG-1.

Correction. it was Young. BUT i did giive a little more props jack's way after. He went down somewhat in my eyes with how pushy he was with Young early on and how he 'danked them all the second time they came back, but this scored him a few points in my book.


Cont next post!!!:)

garhkal
November 6th, 2009, 10:46 PM
I think we needed a showcase just how worthless (stay with me Chloe thunkers) Chloe is. She is more like Eli that she would like to admit. Chloe may have a degree but she really hasn't done anything and people are only using her for political influence

I really didn't get that vibe from her. More like they were her friends cause of WHO she is rather than her influence..


This just reaffirms what we already know and probably solidifies it even more. Eli telling her she isn't worthless and Chloe saying Eli is a good person but hinting she isn't the right person for him. How many us have been there before? Seriously show of hands.

Hands in the air!! BOTH of them.


not mention the awkardness when the communication was temporarily severed and Telford was like "what the frak?!".

I am not sure she even noticed..



Eli, Chloe, Telford and Rush were the other standouts, but we'll get to them. First off, Greer Vs Telford was exceptional in that Greer just kept his cool the entire time, and let Telford lock him up. Then, when push came to shove, he wanted Young back. The relationship between Young and Greer is a great contrast to Greer and Telford;

Agreed. He scored a lot more coolness points in my book for how he played it. Even when he was trying to co-opt Scott to turn off the stones/..


His delight in explaining how he set the whole power cataclysm up was great - it was all just theater to him

Part of me wondered if that was a sly way to link back to his Theatre days..

jelgate
November 6th, 2009, 10:50 PM
I really didn't get that vibe from her. More like they were her friends cause of WHO she is rather than her influence..




Those two are pretty much the same in this scenario

AVFan
November 6th, 2009, 11:42 PM
I don't see the effectiveness in using the weapons over using the stargate to deplete power reserves. Rush said in Air that trying to dial Earth required more power than they had then, and it still does. So if they tried to dial Earth, would it not deplete all of their reserves really fast?

Really, it's a win-win for the crew at that point in time- you dial, and you don't have enough power, then the Destiny heads for the nearest star. If it ends up somehow that it doesn't completely drop the power, than what do you know- you've got a one way trip back to the MW.

This way you have no faulty power conduits blowing up our favorite characters.. ;)

escyos
November 6th, 2009, 11:46 PM
there was more power so they needed to drain the power by letting the weapons go crazy

Uncle Tobias
November 6th, 2009, 11:46 PM
Very enjoyable as always for me and this show so far. The consequences of the bodyswap thing is something that SGU can really explore as an "adult" show where most haven't before, so I'm interested to see where that plot with Telford goes.

Cecil Brax
November 6th, 2009, 11:55 PM
I don't see the effectiveness in using the weapons over using the stargate to deplete power reserves. Rush said in Air that trying to dial Earth required more power than they had then, and it still does. So if they tried to dial Earth, would it not deplete all of their reserves really fast?

Really, it's a win-win for the crew at that point in time- you dial, and you don't have enough power, then the Destiny heads for the nearest star. If it ends up somehow that it doesn't completely drop the power, than what do you know- you've got a one way trip back to the MW.

This way you have no faulty power conduits blowing up our favorite characters.. ;)

My only answer to this would be that dialing earth, or rather trying to dial earth might have caused too much of a power drain and they wouldn't have been able to control the rates in which the power dropped. Firing the weapons allows them to stop at the right time and end the power drain. Dialing a gate and draining the power that way would be one big sudden burst, rather then a little at a time. So there would be much less control in that situation.

That's just my logical guess on the subject.

- CB

AVFan
November 7th, 2009, 12:01 AM
there was more power so they needed to drain the power by letting the weapons go crazy

Did you even bother to read my post, or just the thread title?


My only answer to this would be that dialing earth, or rather trying to dial earth might have caused too much of a power drain and they wouldn't have been able to control the rates in which the power dropped. Firing the weapons allows them to stop at the right time and end the power drain. Dialing a gate and draining the power that way would be one big sudden burst, rather then a little at a time. So there would be much less control in that situation.

That's just my logical guess on the subject.

- CB
Now that I think about it more, yeah, this probably makes the post sense. Rather than having one big power drain, you have a lot of little power drains that you can turn on and off individually.

But another thing- I thought the weapons were part of the primary systems that they couldn't get ahold of?

AnnieS
November 7th, 2009, 12:05 AM
My biggest problem with them expending the weapons. Is what happenes if they get into a fight with an alien ship. We will need the drones!!!

badwolfSG
November 7th, 2009, 12:07 AM
Dr. Rush became not so disliked after this episode, I won't go as far as said I like him. But the last two episodes there are, small, moment where I find myself thinking he not so annoying.

What Young did in Telford body was not cool, funny b/c Telford a jerk, but that still gave him no right to do what he did..

AVFan
November 7th, 2009, 12:08 AM
My biggest problem with them expending the weapons. Is what happenes if they get into a fight with an alien ship. We will need the drones!!!

Those weren't drones. They looked like energy weapons of some sort, or at the very least they're an Ancient version of a railgun.

Kidwizz
November 7th, 2009, 12:20 AM
I take it that trying to dial earth wouldn't work. the gate would just go "BEEP not enough power!" and no power would be drained.

Vapor
November 7th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Great episode.

I think this was probably the funniest of all the SGU episodes we've had so far. So many hilarious awkward moments between the different characters.

It's interesting, because I think comedy has always been a fairly big part of SG in the past, but it was not something I really loved about the show, to be honest. Maybe because it got to the point where they were cracking too many jokes during major life-threatening situations and it just deflated the drama of the moment.

But in this case, if anything, the moments that were humorous actually served to increase the drama and helped us to better understand these characters.

Even little things like when Eli is checking himself out in the mirror. It's followed up with the club scenes, and his comments later about feeling good for being "noticed" by women, and realizing that it might be because he's in someone else's body.

Also, the "body-switching during sex" moment was priceless. It was funny, and surprising, and dramatic all at the same time. Telford looks shocked, but I also couldn't decide whether he was just angry about what happened, or if there was more to it.

Obviously, his moment at the end, when he shows up at Emily's door, tells us that this part of the story isn't over. It's just extremely creepy and frightening to think what he might be there for. And there are sooo many possibilities, each one more disturbing than the last.

Also, I can say whole-heartedly that I had no idea what Rush was doing in regard to the plan to dial Earth. It was a genuine surprise. And we got some fun visuals out of it as well. I was convinced that we would see a bunch of re-used shots from "Light" but I didn't really notice any, if they were there.

The more I think about it, the more I really like this episode. One of the best episodes we've had I think.

escyos
November 7th, 2009, 12:33 AM
Did you even bother to read my post, or just the thread title?


Now that I think about it more, yeah, this probably makes the post sense. Rather than having one big power drain, you have a lot of little power drains that you can turn on and off individually.

But another thing- I thought the weapons were part of the primary systems that they couldn't get ahold of?

i skimmed it, maybe they did it because the writers wanted us to see something cool instead of something mundane

AnnieS
November 7th, 2009, 12:47 AM
Those weren't drones. They looked like energy weapons of some sort, or at the very least they're an Ancient version of a railgun.

But the Ancient weapons were drones!!

Jack_Bauer
November 7th, 2009, 12:58 AM
But the Ancient weapons were drones!!

Maybe in the Lantean period of their existence, probably not with the Destiny era weaponry.

And even if the Destiny was launched when Atlantis was around it would not make sense to include Drone weaponry on the Destiny for defence. Given this ship's voyage has lasted "the better part of a million years" we can assume it has been in at least a few situations where it must defend itself from alien ships or space debris. Drones would be depleted far too quickly and unless there is an automatic "drone-manufacturer" (which is unlikely considering there wasn't even one on Atlantis or on Aurora-class ships) on board.

Captain Obvious
November 7th, 2009, 01:26 AM
I don't see the effectiveness in using the weapons over using the stargate to deplete power reserves. Rush said in Air that trying to dial Earth required more power than they had then, and it still does. So if they tried to dial Earth, would it not deplete all of their reserves really fast?

Really, it's a win-win for the crew at that point in time- you dial, and you don't have enough power, then the Destiny heads for the nearest star. If it ends up somehow that it doesn't completely drop the power, than what do you know- you've got a one way trip back to the MW.

This way you have no faulty power conduits blowing up our favorite characters.. ;)

because you can control exactly how much power you let go with the weapons by firing less and less until you get to the right drain, as opposed to the stargate which uses a fixed amount per dial. Its like a dimmer Vs. light switch.

StarFighter
November 7th, 2009, 01:42 AM
I mentioned it earlier but the lack of science on this show is rough. They are glossing over the actual "scifi" part of the show. They need to explain more and perhaps show more.

Things like:

-What can Rush access? We know by now that he clearly has been accessing parts of the ships logs and controls but they don't explain.

-Any solutions they have need to be explained better. Instead of what we had in this episode. We literally got: "we have an idea..(cut away from scene)...(cut back to scene)...and that is the idea". THEY COMPLETELY SKIPPED OVER THE BRIEFING!!!!!

Also they need to break the communication stones because the trips back to Earth are killing the show.

Happenstance
November 7th, 2009, 02:11 AM
Just been reading on another forum and its amazing just how much Chloe hate came from this episode. They all seem to be confused and think that she actually did kiss Eli and not realising that it was just in his imagination.

g.o.d
November 7th, 2009, 02:31 AM
and even if it would have been a truth, believe it or not, it'S something which happens when people are durnk :)

Orion's Star
November 7th, 2009, 02:34 AM
I mentioned it earlier but the lack of science on this show is rough. They are glossing over the actual "scifi" part of the show. They need to explain more and perhaps show more.

Things like:

-What can Rush access? We know by now that he clearly has been accessing parts of the ships logs and controls but they don't explain.

-Any solutions they have need to be explained better. Instead of what we had in this episode. We literally got: "we have an idea..(cut away from scene)...(cut back to scene)...and that is the idea". THEY COMPLETELY SKIPPED OVER THE BRIEFING!!!!!

Also they need to break the communication stones because the trips back to Earth are killing the show.

Thank God for that. There are very few things I despise more in my sci-fi shows than technobabble, especially technobabble that is clearly just made up nonsense.

Seriously, when has the "science" (and I use that term very loosely) ever not been rough? I can't even remember the last time I watched a Stargate episode and thought to myself ,"Wow! That's some neat science right there."

The science aspect of SG has never been all that strong, in my opinion. So I really don't care or need more technobabble on the show. Besides, the solution here was not even remotely the focus of the episode. This episode was about character drama, that's the only thing that needed detail and to be explained.

EvilSpaceAlien
November 7th, 2009, 03:06 AM
"I think I wanna go over there and punch them in the face." I love drunk Chloe. :D

It was good episode. Much better than what I expected. So we finally found out about what happened between TJ and Young in the past. I'm not sure if I like it, though.

8.5/10

Commander Zelix
November 7th, 2009, 03:08 AM
Horrible episode.

I dont have much to say about the episode this time.

For me Rush sabotaging the mission was very predictable. But in a good way, since its better than having his motivations and how he did it all happening off-screen.

Overall, its the first episode where I just wanted it to end in the middle of it and was looking at the clock. What happened on earth was pretty badly done and uninteresting.

I give it 3/10.

jcoy
November 7th, 2009, 03:18 AM
Awesome Episode. Best one so far.


I laughed when I saw this scene, immediately thinking of how much fun the mods would have because of this scene. We're going to have to develop some acceptable euphemisms for sex in somebody else's body ;)


Test drive?

frankr
November 7th, 2009, 03:34 AM
-What can Rush access? We know by now that he clearly has been accessing parts of the ships logs and controls but they don't explain.


Because it doesn't matter to the story.



-Any solutions they have need to be explained better. Instead of what we had in this episode. We literally got: "we have an idea..(cut away from scene)...(cut back to scene)...and that is the idea". THEY COMPLETELY SKIPPED OVER THE BRIEFING!!!!!


Again; because it doesn't matter to the story. The "plan" was the macguffin, aka the unimportant thing that is the excuse for the story, not the story. Science fiction shouldn't be about technobabble; it should be about how peoples are affected. The show is about the people; not the technology.

-frank

MechaThor
November 7th, 2009, 04:07 AM
I was not looking forward to this epsiode, however in the end I found it really enjoyable.

There was allot of small touches that I really liked.

- Seeing the Destiny's Weapons
- Having some of the moral implications of being in another persons body shown
- Jack O'Neill
- The FTL Temporary stone switching was very amusing, especially Telfords reaction after coming back from having sex with Youngs wife and Eli's "This is ridiculous" *switch* scene.
- The Eli and Drunk Chloe double act was very amusing. Eli "I think we should take you home", Chloe "Could you take me home?"
- Rush being even more shifty
- Telford at the end

However I do have a few nitpicks, such as how easy it was to drain the Destiny's power, what time frame was we looking at there, less than a day?

But overall a good fun episode.

talyn2k1
November 7th, 2009, 04:07 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. There was a little bit of development for Eli, Chloe, and Young, but my favourite characters in this one have to be Telford and Rush.
Telford is really not happy that he didn't get to go on the mission, and he will do anything to get himself there, including risking the lives of everyone on Destiny. I did not see his cowardice coming, and despite O'Neill seemingly giving him a free pass on this one, I think there will be repercussions for Telford further down the line.
We all knew Rush was devious, but he really impressed me here. I figured that he had probably done something to sabotage the plan, but I wasn't expecting him to sabotage it to the extent where he would stop Telford's people from stopping it so that they would run back to Earth.

Also loved how Young stuck 2 fingers up to everyone at Homeworld Command in the closing briefing.
"The time I have allocated for this briefing is up"
Great!

The moral ambiguity of having sex in someone else's body isn't really a big aspect of the show for me, but the silence to this instance of it is interesting considering the massive deal that has been made of the same use of Wray's body in a future episode...

4/5

siles
November 7th, 2009, 04:32 AM
telford running is likely what turned Jack more sympathetic to Young than Telford.

Jack may have many flaws, but he does not tolerate cowards

He seems to tolerate insubordonation and being disrespected nowadays. I really hated how he took Young's last debriefing - "this is the alloted time I had for the debriefing" - I can't imagine Jack being so disrespectful to Hammond...

SGFerrit
November 7th, 2009, 04:48 AM
Great episode, I enjoyed it more than last week. Marty G did a good job.

Things I liked:

-Eli's scenes with his mother.
-The IOA sticking their noses in.
-Young and his wife, and the growing animosity with Telford.
-Jack. It seems like he was better utilized here.
- Hunter Riley = cool.
-Weapons are super-cool.
-Another re-charge scene! And this star looked bigger than a red-dwarf, the ship just gets cooler and cooler.
-Telford running away.
-Telford (supposedly) about to masquerade as Young.
- The misleading scenes (Eli/Chloe's especially).
-'Phillip Fry'. <<Epic reference win, right there.

Things that I didn't:

Chloe :(

Looking forward to Time!

reddevil18
November 7th, 2009, 05:17 AM
Liked it a lot more than Water, that's for sure.

Eli was quite funny, even if in a more subdued manner. Phillip Fry was just pure awesomeness! :lol:
Even though I still dislike Chloe, I enjoyed the scene in the car, mainly due to Eli.

I liked Rush being a sneaky *******, I liked the "glitch" with the stones, I can hardly wait to see the Destiny's weapons really tear into something and the recharging scene was quite cool, as it was seen from a different angle.
And Telford...Man, what an ass. That last scene...Gave me the creeps.
Overall, I'd give it an 8/10. A definite improvement over Water, though still far from Darkness&Light, IMO.

SGFerrit
November 7th, 2009, 05:21 AM
He seems to tolerate insubordonation and being disrespected nowadays. I really hated how he took Young's last debriefing - "this is the alloted time I had for the debriefing" - I can't imagine Jack being so disrespectful to Hammond...

After the way his command of the Destiny was disrespected I can't blame him. I can see SGU doing what a lot of people seemed to want SGA to do- the team begin cutting ties with Earth and start doing their own thing. There's nothing Earth could do to stop them, now.

siles
November 7th, 2009, 05:32 AM
After the way his command of the Destiny was disrespected I can't blame him. I can see SGU doing what a lot of people seemed to want SGA to do- the team begin cutting ties with Earth and start doing their own thing. There's nothing Earth could do to stop them, now.

Young disobeyed a direct order. He should face court-martial for that! Oh and he hooked up with TJ in the past when she was in his COC he should face court-martial for that as well.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 7th, 2009, 05:33 AM
Great episode. Rush played them like fools. TJ, Greer and Scott looked like they didn't know what to think about it either. And then he just walks away like it was nothing :)

I don't know what everybody's getting on Telford over that last scene for. The idea that he'll pretend to be Young crossed my mind, but I think it's far more likely he's just there to confront her about it. He didn't look too thrilled after the LRC disruption ended.

reddevil18
November 7th, 2009, 05:34 AM
After the way his command of the Destiny was disrespected I can't blame him. I can see SGU doing what a lot of people seemed to want SGA to do- the team begin cutting ties with Earth and start doing their own thing. There's nothing Earth could do to stop them, now.Except that the Destiny crew are in a much worse situation than Atlantis ever was. Cutting ties with Earth would be a bad idea(as we know from "Sabotage", they WILL need help in the future). However, Young putting his foot down and demanding some respect be shown was cool.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 7th, 2009, 05:35 AM
I'm kind of waiting for someone to bring up the obvious with regards to the sex-swap scene (sounds so weird...). I mean, sides for "Sabotage" drew such heat and a buzz, but it appears this one slips under the radar?

I wonder why? ;)

Yeah it's funny how perspective differs when you actually see something as opposed to just freaking out over something somebody told you they heard about from a site that supposedly has some information... :)

Shan Bruce Lee
November 7th, 2009, 05:36 AM
I hated how they glossed right over any details on how the plan would work. All they said was that it would be powered by the sun.

They drained the ship's power to get it to recharge and then tried to dial the gate while it was drawing the extra power they needed from the star.

Hope that cleared things up for you :zelenka25:

wargrafix
November 7th, 2009, 05:36 AM
The band at the club was TERRIBLE. Just really crappy.

The Mighty 6 platoon
November 7th, 2009, 05:39 AM
I was not looking forward to this epsiode, however in the end I found it really enjoyable.

There was allot of small touches that I really liked.

- Seeing the Destiny's Weapons
- Having some of the moral implications of being in another persons body shown
- Jack O'Neill
- The FTL Temporary stone switching was very amusing, especially Telfords reaction after coming back from having sex with Youngs wife and Eli's "This is ridiculous" *switch* scene.
- The Eli and Drunk Chloe double act was very amusing. Eli "I think we should take you home", Chloe "Could you take me home?"
- Rush being even more shifty
- Telford at the end

However I do have a few nitpicks, such as how easy it was to drain the Destiny's power, what time frame was we looking at there, less than a day?

But overall a good fun episode.

I’d second that, like you this ep was not one I was not looking forward to. However lots of nice little touches (loved the Philip fry moment) and the fact that the plot is moving along made this enjoyable. A good solid 8/10 episode and I am so hyped up for Time after seeing that trailer.

reddevil18
November 7th, 2009, 05:42 AM
Yeah it's funny how perspective differs when you actually see something as opposed to just freaking out over something somebody told you they heard about from a site that supposedly has some information... :)The big issue with that stemmed from Wray's sexuality. All the lesbian blogs went crazy because it's apparently rape if you use a lesbian's body, but it's okay if the character is straight...:rolleyes:
And, of course, there was the problem with a quadriplegic being described as "physically useless" or something like that. Maybe I'm just an ass myself, but...COME ON! How else would you put it? They may be the smartest person on Earth, but if they can't use their body, they're physically useless! Or a paper weight at best...

Man, I am so going to hell for that last one...

Jeffala
November 7th, 2009, 05:47 AM
I've not had an opportunity to re-watch the episode, but I've drawn from it the following conclusions:

1. Telford is a <snip>.
His general demeanor and especially his treatment of Greer make me hate him. When I saw the final scene and he was at What'sHerFace's house, I didn't think that he was diseased (although it's possible his ethics rotted away long ago), I just thought that he was there to take advantage of the situation created by the glitch.

2. O'Neill is well on the way to being a d-bag.
Basically, I hated that he was so enthusiastic about this idea. An idea that had no way to be practically tested and could result in the destruction of Destiny. Sure it's a dangerous place to be, but hastening people's deaths doesn't do them any favors. You can order someone one to do something while still telling them that you're not sure. He seemed to embrace the idea.

3. Wray is untrustworthy
Seeming to go along with the idea and encourage it because it could increase her standing with the IOA, an organization made up of d-bags.

3. Chloe is evil.
Self-explanatory, but: whenever Scott isn't around and Eli is, she's runs to him, sober or not, with the huggy-huggy and the kissy-kissy. She's completely oblivious to his feelings.

4. Rush is still untrustworthy.
Did he allow the experiment to fail on its own or did he set it up to fail? Was the (controlled?) overload part of his plan or was it spontaneous?

Don't tell me that I'm wrong, tell me HOW I'm wrong.

kthxbai

*Can I say, "d-bag"? If not, message me when it's edited and I'll try to think of something else. I won't be back online until tomorrow afternoon, though.

MattSilver 3k
November 7th, 2009, 05:51 AM
3. Chloe is evil.
Self-explanatory, but: whenever Scott isn't around and Eli is, she's runs to him, sober or not, with the huggy-huggy and the kissy-kissy. She's completely oblivious to his feelings.

The kissing was all in Eli's imagination...

kymeric
November 7th, 2009, 05:58 AM
He seems to tolerate insubordonation and being disrespected nowadays. I really hated how he took Young's last debriefing - "this is the alloted time I had for the debriefing" - I can't imagine Jack being so disrespectful to Hammond...

Are you kidding? Jack told hammond to "Bite me" in front of the russian delegate! Rose tinted much?

wargrafix
November 7th, 2009, 05:59 AM
The big issue with that stemmed from Wray's sexuality. All the lesbian blogs went crazy because it's apparently rape if you use a lesbian's body, but it's okay if the character is straight...:rolleyes:
And, of course, there was the problem with a quadriplegic being described as "physically useless" or something like that. Maybe I'm just an ass myself, but...COME ON! How else would you put it? They may be the smartest person on Earth, but if they can't use their body, they're physically useless! Or a paper weight at best...

Man, I am so going to hell for that last one...

ah, don't worry, hell is nice this time of year. ^_^

Yeah i saw some of those blogs. The go all defensive for the slightest thing. Jeez, its a sci fi story, no need to go militant over the slightest thing.

The keep forgetting that the other group used the other bodies too.

scruffyisasuperhero
November 7th, 2009, 06:00 AM
That was great. I haven't been a fan of the earth based stories so far so but this episode proved that they really can work. I really liked the scene between chloe and eli in the car. "Just once i'd like to go out with a girl and not have it end with her crying" was a great line. Rush sabotaging the plan was fairly predictable but it was great to see Telford cut and run. The ending with Telford was interesting and shows again that SGU is willing to go places that previous Stargate series would not.

Naonak
November 7th, 2009, 06:01 AM
3. Chloe is evil.
Self-explanatory, but: whenever Scott isn't around and Eli is, she's runs to him, sober or not, with the huggy-huggy and the kissy-kissy. She's completely oblivious to his feelings.
Not really sure how "oblivious" => "evil"...

segaxgames
November 7th, 2009, 06:23 AM
Eli makes me want to kill myself.
Chloe is hot no matter what body she's in
telford gave young's wife a big "o"
and "all my stargates" suck.....

That's all

MattSilver 3k
November 7th, 2009, 06:24 AM
Eli makes me want to kill myself.
Chloe is hot no matter what body she's in
telford gave young's wife a big "o"
and "all my stargates" suck.....

That's all

http://i35.tinypic.com/2e3aooi.jpg

syfygal47
November 7th, 2009, 06:45 AM
That singer in the night club was really over the top. I didn't understand this scene at all. It was almost like the episode was too short, and the writers had to come up with something to fill in.

EvilSpaceAlien
November 7th, 2009, 06:46 AM
Eli makes me want to kill myself.
Chloe is hot no matter what body she's in
telford gave young's wife a big "o"
and "all my stargates" suck.....

That's all

http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/contrarian_trollcat.jpg

siles
November 7th, 2009, 06:47 AM
Are you kidding? Jack told hammond to "Bite me" in front of the russian delegate! Rose tinted much?

He told the russian delegate "bite me" not to Hammond, big diff!

jelgate
November 7th, 2009, 06:55 AM
Young disobeyed a direct order. He should face court-martial for that! Oh and he hooked up with TJ in the past when she was in his COC he should face court-martial for that as well.

SG1 and SGA disobeyed orders countless times especially Jack. If it yields a more positive result then the military tends to turn a blind eye. And while fratenization with TJ would be against regulations I don't think think its ground for a full court martial. Of course that is provided the Air Force knows about Young and TJ

Stormtrooper
November 7th, 2009, 07:13 AM
Well, SGU is officially a teeny show thanks to the LRC device. This episode was truly awful with all the whining and crying and forced sex scenes. O'Neill was so out of character. The man should retire and go on a fishing trip or something. He clearly doesn't like his job. So why bother? Eli & Chloe got old two episodes ago. And you know what, Chloe is no Charlize Theron to "friend zone" anyone. In fact, she didn't look all that great in this episode. Pretty average, if you ask me. Young using somebody else's equipment to do his wife was laughable. What a moron! Telford, who is also a moron, should do her regularly as punishment.

Other than that, the whole let's fire our guns to drain Destiny's power reserves made no sense. Given the amount of energy the ship harvested from the the sun in Light, Destiny would have to keep firing for months to cause any significant drain to the ship's reserves. Actually, this episode makes Darkness/Light look like a long exercise in futility. I mean, TPTB toasted two episodes to show how Destiny refueled, and here the ship does the same thing in less than a minute? Plus, no aerobraking required ;)

And finally, we are once again led to believe Dr. Rush thwarted the crew's attempt to return to Earth. No surprise there. After all, he's EEEVIL! Bwahahaha!

SFX - 8/10
Story - 1/10

aretood2
November 7th, 2009, 07:24 AM
The band at the club was TERRIBLE. Just really crappy.

It pains me to think that they may be a favorite by someone involved in SGU...

But other than that, it was an ok episode. It wasn't a reaction like the first few and seems to state that the show well have more.

now, is telford at the door at the end or Young?

latvian_stargatefan
November 7th, 2009, 08:12 AM
I don't see the effectiveness in using the weapons over using the stargate to deplete power reserves.

CARTER: Sir, the singularity is about to explode
TEAL'C: Weapons are at maximum!

DANIEL: How exactly is having weapons at maximum going to help the situation?
MARTIN: The audience isn't going to know the difference. They love: "weapons at maximum."

Maxum
November 7th, 2009, 08:20 AM
I am really starting to enjoy this series with each new episode. I just read Michael Shanks' interview, and I think he nails the description of this show. While SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis were great shows, they didn't really allow the audience to get to know the characters as much as I would have liked. It was more about the missions and such. SGU is much more about the characters and how they deal with their circumstances. I think Michael was right in that just giving us the same old type of Stargate series would be boring and milking the franchise. This new show is very different, in terms of giving us much more character stories, and yet similar in terms of still meeting aliens and dealing with problems in a sci fi setting.

About last night's episode, I always saw chemistry between Young and TJ, but I didn't realize that they had had an affair. Maybe I'm slow, but I didn't see that coming. I've read some responses regarding Young wanting to "check in with Destiny" rather than simply doing as he was told by the IOA and General O'Neill. Jack told Young that he was the CO, and this isn't a democracy, and in the military world that is absolutely true. However, 95% of the people on Destiny are civilians, not military, and I think that's what Young was trying to say to Jack. Military personnel understand the chain of command, and they understand that the CO has all the power, and you do as you are told without question. However, civilians are emotional, undisciplined, unpredictable, etc. It's a different command position to be in, and frankly, none of them would need to listen to Young, would they? His officers would need to respect the chain of command, but I'm not sure the civilians would have to do so. I don't think Young was wrong in him asking for more time, and I'm thinking that he would have gone back to Destiny and persuaded everyone on board to do as Stargate Command was suggesting. In that way, Young would have been able to placate the crew of the Destiny instead of charging in the way Telford did and create animosity.

I thought the Eli and Chloe stuff was okay, but I'm not a huge Chloe fan. I just don't really care about her character at the moment, but maybe that will change. I thought the scenes with Eli and his mother were nice, and again, it's nice to see the character development.

I really loved the scenes with Young and Emily, especially since Young tends to be so stoic and in control all the time, and yet he gets emotional and shows that other side of his personality when he's with his wife. I would have liked to see more of their conversation regarding what happened between them, but I like these characters. The body swapping was disturbing, and I've read some posts regarding moral responsibility when it comes to taking over someone else's body. I'm guessing that there is some ind of agreement between the people swapping bodies that they are willing to give up control and are not responsible for the actions of the person while "possessed." The risks are there for both parties, so there's no way to know what the other person was doing while in their bodies. If I were Young, I would not be using Telford's body, especially since it appears that Young despises Telford. Also, if I were Emily, I don't think I could have sex with someone else wearing my husband's personality, but this is science fiction.

I wasn't sure what Rush was going to do, although I was certain he did not want to return to Earth. That ship is his obsession, and he's not going without a fight. I think Telford's words hit home when he told Rush that they might not let him come back if the experiment was successful. In that regard, I wasn't surprised that Rush sabotaged the "experiment," but I was very surprised at how Telford ran to save himself. They are giving us more layers to his character.

The Telford and Greer scene only further showed my dislike for Telford. He's a man who holds a grudge and can't seem to see past his own ego. I like that Greer was loyal to Young and only considered him as his CO. That's what earned respect gets a good commanding officer, as opposed to Telford who thinks it's automatically his for the taking. This reiterates my earlier point about Young wanting to govern the Destiny crew differently. His way of commanding works.

The final scene with Young basically telling off the IOA was beautiful. They removed him from command and steam rolled over him, and in the end, they got screwed. Young's pointed statement to Telford that he "cut and ran" cut Telford deep, and he seemed to take his revenge in that final scene, which was really disturbing. I'm going to love a Young/Telford show down. I also liked how Young is still keeping his eye on Rush by having Eli review the data from the experiment. Smart move.

Overall, I really liked this episode. We learned a lot more about some of the characters, and I'm enjoying each new reveal. I give the episode an 8.5 (It lost some points because of Chloe).

Jeffer
November 7th, 2009, 08:22 AM
Well, SGU is officially a teeny show thanks to the LRC device. This episode was truly awful with all the whining and crying and forced sex scenes. O'Neill was so out of character. The man should retire and go on a fishing trip or something. He clearly doesn't like his job. So why bother? Eli & Chloe got old two episodes ago. And you know what, Chloe is no Charlize Theron to "friend zone" anyone. In fact, she didn't look all that great in this episode. Pretty average, if you ask me. Young using somebody else's equipment to do his wife was laughable. What a moron! Telford, who is also a moron, should do her regularly as punishment.

Other than that, the whole let's fire our guns to drain Destiny's power reserves made no sense. Given the amount of energy the ship harvested from the the sun in Light, Destiny would have to keep firing for months to cause any significant drain to the ship's reserves. Actually, this episode makes Darkness/Light look like a long exercise in futility. I mean, TPTB toasted two episodes to show how Destiny refueled, and here the ship does the same thing in less than a minute? Plus, no aerobraking required ;)

And finally, we are once again led to believe Dr. Rush thwarted the crew's attempt to return to Earth. No surprise there. After all, he's EEEVIL! Bwahahaha!

SFX - 8/10
Story - 1/10

i couldn't agree more this has turned into a space soap opera who is having sex with who who likes who. Next episode someones going to find out there grandfather died and left them a lot of money.

I have never made a bad comment about any Stargate ep but this one was just awful

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 7th, 2009, 08:23 AM
the whole calculation thing reminded me of something i once watch i forget what it was but it was like "y dont you calculate this? " or something.

Stormtrooper
November 7th, 2009, 08:32 AM
This way you have no faulty power conduits blowing up our favorite characters.. ;)

First Gero episode and he pulls a Beckett, only this time around he didn't have the balls (or wasn't allowed) to kill off the character. Either way, kudos to Sgt. Riley! While everyone was whining and *****ing, he did what had to be done.

The Mighty 6 platoon
November 7th, 2009, 08:33 AM
I am really starting to enjoy this series with each new episode. I just read Michael Shanks' interview, and I think he nails the description of this show. While SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis were great shows, they didn't really allow the audience to get to know the characters as much as I would have liked. It was more about the missions and such. SGU is much more about the characters and how they deal with their circumstances. I think Michael was right in that just giving us the same old type of Stargate series would be boring and milking the franchise. This new show is very different, in terms of giving us much more character stories, and yet similar in terms of still meeting aliens and dealing with problems in a sci fi setting.

About last night's episode, I always saw chemistry between Young and TJ, but I didn't realize that they had had an affair. Maybe I'm slow, but I didn't see that coming. I've read some responses regarding Young wanting to "check in with Destiny" rather than simply doing as he was told by the IOA and General O'Neill. Jack told Young that he was the CO, and this isn't a democracy, and in the military world that is absolutely true. However, 95% of the people on Destiny are civilians, not military, and I think that's what Young was trying to say to Jack. Military personnel understand the chain of command, and they understand that the CO has all the power, and you do as you are told without question. However, civilians are emotional, undisciplined, unpredictable, etc. It's a different command position to be in, and frankly, none of them would need to listen to Young, would they? His officers would need to respect the chain of command, but I'm not sure the civilians would have to do so. I don't think Young was wrong in him asking for more time, and I'm thinking that he would have gone back to Destiny and persuaded everyone on board to do as Stargate Command was suggesting. In that way, Young would have been able to placate the crew of the Destiny instead of charging in the way Telford did and create animosity.

I thought the Eli and Chloe stuff was okay, but I'm not a huge Chloe fan. I just don't really care about her character at the moment, but maybe that will change. I thought the scenes with Eli and his mother were nice, and again, it's nice to see the character development.

I really loved the scenes with Young and Emily, especially since Young tends to be so stoic and in control all the time, and yet he gets emotional and shows that other side of his personality when he's with his wife. I would have liked to see more of their conversation regarding what happened between them, but I like these characters. The body swapping was disturbing, and I've read some posts regarding moral responsibility when it comes to taking over someone else's body. I'm guessing that there is some ind of agreement between the people swapping bodies that they are willing to give up control and are not responsible for the actions of the person while "possessed." The risks are there for both parties, so there's no way to know what the other person was doing while in their bodies. If I were Young, I would not be using Telford's body, especially since it appears that Young despises Telford. Also, if I were Emily, I don't think I could have sex with someone else wearing my husband's personality, but this is science fiction.

I wasn't sure what Rush was going to do, although I was certain he did not want to return to Earth. That ship is his obsession, and he's not going without a fight. I think Telford's words hit home when he told Rush that they might not let him come back if the experiment was successful. In that regard, I wasn't surprised that Rush sabotaged the "experiment," but I was very surprised at how Telford ran to save himself. They are giving us more layers to his character.

The Telford and Greer scene only further showed my dislike for Telford. He's a man who holds a grudge and can't seem to see past his own ego. I like that Greer was loyal to Young and only considered him as his CO. That's what earned respect gets a good commanding officer, as opposed to Telford who thinks it's automatically his for the taking. This reiterates my earlier point about Young wanting to govern the Destiny crew differently. His way of commanding works.

The final scene with Young basically telling off the IOA was beautiful. They removed him from command and steam rolled over him, and in the end, they got screwed. Young's pointed statement to Telford that he "cut and ran" cut Telford deep, and he seemed to take his revenge in that final scene, which was really disturbing. I'm going to love a Young/Telford show down. I also liked how Young is still keeping his eye on Rush by having Eli review the data from the experiment. Smart move.

Overall, I really liked this episode. We learned a lot more about some of the characters, and I'm enjoying each new reveal. I give the episode an 8.5 (It lost some points because of Chloe).

Ahh wall of text! Still you make some damn fine points.

latvian_stargatefan
November 7th, 2009, 08:34 AM
It pains me to think that they may be a favorite by someone involved in SGU...

Janelle Monae isn't a crappy artist. If you don't like this style, fine, but she was nominated to Grammy Award in her specific music style category.

Pharaoh Atem
November 7th, 2009, 08:35 AM
Eli makes me want to kill myself.
Chloe is hot no matter what body she's in
telford gave young's wife a big "o"
and "all my stargates" suck.....

That's all

if a tv character makes you want to do that you def need to have psychology evaluation

hedwig
November 7th, 2009, 08:39 AM
My biggest problem with them expending the weapons. Is what happenes if they get into a fight with an alien ship. We will need the drones!!!

I may have missed something during the other series, but I thought drones could only be fired with the use of one of those ancient chairs. Plus, those weren't drones that were fired. :)

Pharaoh Atem
November 7th, 2009, 08:40 AM
My biggest problem with them expending the weapons. Is what happenes if they get into a fight with an alien ship. We will need the drones!!!

it wasn't drone it was just a simple energy based weapons

latvian_stargatefan
November 7th, 2009, 08:44 AM
I have a feeling that the plan would've saved them but Rush, knowing that he wouldn't be allowed to stay on the ship in that case, deliberately sabotaged the plan and left them all stranded on the ship.

It seems that Young has some doubts too. I guess in some later episodes Eli will find out that in the data and Young will be very pissed about Rush. But I assume that something will be damaged on the ship and they won't be able to repeat dialing home... and everybody will hate Rush even more.

dasNdanger
November 7th, 2009, 08:48 AM
I think this ep has finally killed the show for me. I want the back-stabbing intrigue, the suspense, and the flawed characters, but I do not want Peyton Place. All these twists and turns in romantic relationships instead of in the sci fi elements of the show have finally done me in. Sanctuary offered up a GREAT episode right after, full of all that I love about sci fi, and it just reminded me all the more that I've only been trying to like Universe out of loyalty to the franchise that gave me the Wraith. If I wanted to watch a show that's about who's cheated on whom, and who's in love with whom, and who's got his/her eye on someone else's significant other...then I'd be watching soaps and nighttime dramas, not sci fi. Yeah. This ep had a couple great moments (the end with Rush's deception esp), but it was overpowered by everything involving relationships.

Yeah. I think I'm done, and I feel really bad about it because I do like some of the characters, but I have always hated 'soapy' type shows and movies, and this element is just becoming too prominent in this show.

das

wargrafix
November 7th, 2009, 08:52 AM
Janelle Monae isn't a crappy artist. If you don't like this style, fine, but she was nominated to Grammy Award in her specific music style category.

I think she is crappy. It did not mesh at all with the episode.

Marsuvees
November 7th, 2009, 08:54 AM
Are you kidding? Jack told hammond to "Bite me" in front of the russian delegate! Rose tinted much?

Exactly. Young told O'Neill he respected him so much because he treated his superiors that way.

I remember the little girl from the planet where they downloaded their intelligence. Young is doing what he thinks is best, just as O'Neill did.

Young was actually more respectful than O'Neill towards Hammond. Young didn't yell.

Yoshi442
November 7th, 2009, 08:55 AM
Love the interaction between Eli and his mom (schnitzel!) and between Eli and Chloe. Eli's face when he is mugging at Chloe over the good looking girl he was danceing with was choice. Made me laugh. And I loved the look on the swapped-in scientist's face when he realized what Eli's body was wearing.


If future episodes stay as good as this one, I just might be forced to become a fan of this show....

Does anyone else think Eli's mom figured it out, at least on an instinctive/mom level if not a rational level? When he grabbed the right container of whatever that was, it just seemed like she had figured it out.

SamJackShipper93
November 7th, 2009, 08:55 AM
All in can say is thank God for Sanctuary, or my Friday's would be meaningless.

Favorite part of the ep? Jack. I always love to see Jack. :)



For those of you who thought a TJ-Young ship was going to happen I will gladly take the high road. *waits a second.* I told you so. I told you so.:P. Anyway a good piece of foreshadowing for those of us who don't read spoilers to tell us that at the very least their is some physical attraction between Young and TJ. Also speaking the teaser Ming Na looks great to be doing some acting chops. It’s also nice that we get some common sense behind using the communication stones. Besides that their isn't much to say about the teaser because nothing else really interesting happened.


LOL, seriously. The attraction is evident in episode 1!

Of course, I literally pegged them to get together the minute I read the first character biographies. They're SGU's Jack and Sam.

Jack/Sam & Young/TJ
Take one older, experienced Air Force colonel whose ready to retire and dealing with a difficult family life. Enter young, blond, smart Air Force officer under his chain of command apparently means romance in Stargate. ;)

Though let it be known that I really hate the affair that took place there. I'm getting really sick of the lack of honor shown by a lot of these characters. :(

Disclaimer: This is just the ramblings of a hopeless romantic of Stargate. :)

But may I also just say, that while I'm all for character development (I've repeatedly said how much I wish that SG-1/SGA had more character defining moments), I think that this has gone to far.

I can't even think of this as science-fiction anymore. This is a soap opera in a sci-fi environment. I understand that this would be a hard situation for everyone on board, but the bickering and juvenile disagreements between the characters is really getting on my nerves.

Obviously I'm still watching the show, hoping for the arrival of some wacky aliens and severely missing SG-1/SGA's super space battles.

Pharaoh Atem
November 7th, 2009, 08:58 AM
i don'[ think it would have worked destiny is just to old and beat up to dial earth. it can' handle the power requirements

rexpop
November 7th, 2009, 08:59 AM
What I think this episode did was lay the remaining pieces of the foundation of the series. In the 7 Episodes so far we have:

- All the major characters (and a few minor ones) have the foundations of their characters outlined. While some have been developed more than others everybody seems to have had at least some time in the spotlight.

- The Destiny has been introduced enough that we know the basics of how things are going to work while leaving enough mystery that can be explored later.

- They've pretty much now know they aren't getting home anytime soon as now have to make the best of it.

Actually I think they've done a pretty good job. I'm interested to see how things play out with the setup they've come up with. Sure its not SG-1 or SG-A but its certainly worth watching.

Although I really hope that next weeks isn't a Time Travel/Alternative Universe thing. Too soon, too soon.

Yoshi442
November 7th, 2009, 08:59 AM
Dr. Rush became not so disliked after this episode, I won't go as far as said I like him. But the last two episodes there are, small, moment where I find myself thinking he not so annoying.

What Young did in Telford body was not cool, funny b/c Telford a jerk, but that still gave him no right to do what he did..

If Telford is married, is what his body did considered cheating? He WAS there for part of it.

jelgate
November 7th, 2009, 09:02 AM
All in can say is thank God for Sanctuary, or my Friday's would be meaningless.

I find funny as I have the opposite effect. Sanctuary has been letting me down this season but I'll save the rest for the apprioate thread





I can't even think of this as science-fiction anymore. This is a soap opera in a sci-fi environment. I understand that this would be a hard situation for everyone on board, but the bickering and juvenile disagreements between the characters is really getting on my nerves.

And yet but that merit alone it is science fiction. Science fiction is the use of science the explore the world around us. The thing about lasers and aliens being science fiction is a sterotype to say the least


Obviously I'm still watching the show, hoping for the arrival of some wacky aliens and severely missing SG-1/SGA's super space battles.

I think you'll be disappointed. The ol

TheoryCraft
November 7th, 2009, 09:02 AM
No, I really, really doubt it would have worked. Concentrating massive amounts of power into a small spot just seems like a bad idea to me. And when you add in how deteriorated the ship is it's just a recipe for disaster...

Pharaoh Atem
November 7th, 2009, 09:04 AM
i was kinda hooping there were to use the wormhole drive

Betelgeuze
November 7th, 2009, 09:11 AM
I don't think so. The ships power conduits are damaged. If the ship isn't cpapable of recharging to full power, i doubt the conduits are capable of handling the power required to dial Earth.

bobsenior
November 7th, 2009, 09:15 AM
No I don't think it would've worked. Rush may act eccentric and anti-social (much like McKay) but at the end of the day, I trust him :) Although I was suprised in Light when he just sort of gave up and went and read a book!?! McKay wouldn't have given up.

Maxum
November 7th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Ahh wall of text! Still you make some damn fine points.

But I did use white space. ;) Thanks.



Yeah. I think I'm done, and I feel really bad about it because I do like some of the characters, but I have always hated 'soapy' type shows and movies, and this element is just becoming too prominent in this show.

das

Does "soapy" mean sex and intimacy? I've never understood why that type of stuff is forbidden in science fiction shows. Heck, Captain Kirk made a career out of it. I don't mind the angst or emotion because it makes me relate to the characters. That's what makes SGU so different from Sanctuary and why both are great. If they were similar, what's the point? I'm happy that SGU is a departure from the other standard Stargate series. I don't want to see the same old sci-fi genre show over and over.


Exactly. Young told O'Neill he respected him so much because he treated his superiors that way.

I remember the little girl from the planet where they downloaded their intelligence. Young is doing what he thinks is best, just as O'Neill did.

Young was actually more respectful than O'Neill towards Hammond. Young didn't yell.

I agree that Young was respectful of Jack. They both expressed a mutual respect for each other.


What I think this episode did was lay the remaining pieces of the foundation of the series. In the 7 Episodes so far we have:

- All the major characters (and a few minor ones) have the foundations of their characters outlined. While some have been developed more than others everybody seems to have had at least some time in the spotlight.

- The Destiny has been introduced enough that we know the basics of how things are going to work while leaving enough mystery that can be explored later.

- They've pretty much now know they aren't getting home anytime soon as now have to make the best of it.

Actually I think they've done a pretty good job. I'm interested to see how things play out with the setup they've come up with. Sure its not SG-1 or SG-A but its certainly worth watching.



Well said. That's pretty much how I feel too.

Spimman
November 7th, 2009, 09:32 AM
At the end of Earth Young was briefing the IOA and US Military and he said something to the effect of, "Well the time I have allotted for this meeting is over" and walked out. He also appeared much more confident and in control.

Do you think they are now having security on their bodies on the Destiny as they go to Earth with soldiers stationed to remove the stones after a certain amount of time to make sure Telford and/or somebody else can't take over again?

I could just see Telford waking up in Young's body tied up with Greer sitting in a chair across the room from him sneering at him with that look of his, this thought makes me smile! :ronan:

Pharaoh Atem
November 7th, 2009, 09:34 AM
At the end of Earth Young was briefing the IOA and US Military and he said something to the effect of, "Well the time I have allotted for this meeting is over" and walked out. He also appeared much more confident and in control.

Do you think they are now having security on their bodies on the Destiny as they go to Earth with soldiers stationed to remove the stones after a certain amount of time to make sure Telford and/or somebody else can't take over again?

I could just see Telford waking up in Young's body tied up with Greer sitting in a chair across the room from him sneering at him with that look of his, this thought makes me smile! :ronan:

green worthy idea

StargateBuilder
November 7th, 2009, 09:46 AM
it wasn't drone it was just a simple energy based weapons

Agreed, drones do not fire like that. I don't think they were a type of rail gun either. I think they were energy weapons, very powerful energy weapons, they could do a lot of damage to any ship deciding to take on the Destiny.

Kaiphantom
November 7th, 2009, 09:53 AM
Decent episode, let's get into it.

Good that they addressed the idea someone put forth awhile ago, about dialing Earth while Destiny was charging from the sun. Obviously not totally resolved, in that we still aren't sure if it would work, but at least it can be put off for now.

Also still needing a good reason why Carter and McKay aren't there.

Jack - He's changed. He's on the other side of the fence, so he can't rail on "the man" now since he is "the man." He has to take orders from the President. Still, I would have hoped that he'd run the plan by Carter first, since he trusts Carter's decisions; he has no reason to trust these scientists (as far as I can see). I hope he rethinks who he can trust now, and brings in people he can.

Rush - Starting to see chinks in the armor. The mystery of "will the plan work?" is delightfully held in doubt, because we aren't sure if Rush could have made it work or not, since it seems he might rather want to stay on Destiny. At the least, though, my logical mind says that the idea was incredibly dangerous anyway and Telford was a douche that everyone could see, so I'm willing to suspend

Young - Moral attitudes aside (as I don't feel I can judge the obvious love scene), this is adding new dimensions to the Young/Telford dynamic. I think he made some right calls here, regardless of the chain of command. If it were me, I'd say "You can court martial me when I get back" too. This is also the first time I saw a valid reason from Young that Rush could be hiding something. At first it was paranoia, but it is logical to assume Rush might not want to go home yet. Did love his speech at the end.

Telford - Douchebag. I do hope we see more into his past, as he's coming across as an antagonist (where earlier I just thought he disagreed) for no apparent reason, except to be douche. Approaching Chloe levels. The ending really opens up several possibilities. He could tell Young's wife that Young is still doign TJ (if he knows) or pretend to be Young(she should catch on), but it seems clear he's going to try to sabotage it somehow.

Chloe - Speaking of which... So apparently she realized she was shallow and thus went to work for her dad. Now it remains to be seen whether she recognizes that she's *still* shallow and grows out of it. But overall, she's continuing her downward spiral. The hand-holding at the end shows that she is still grasping onto people (Scott and Eli) to fulfill her emotional needs. It's blinding her to things. She owes Eli big time, but she's too self-centered at the moment to see it.

Wray - Part of the reason I was looking forward to this episode, was that it was supposed to feature Wrap prominently. And while we got some decent tidbits, I was hoping for more, given that she had been sidelined for so many eps. Hoping to see more of her in the future

Scott - didn't see too much out of him to really judge any changes, but it is good to see him supporting Young over Telford on at least some level. Hope he realizes that having a self-destructive girl hanging onto you is a bad thing. But I don't think he will; still standing by my prediction that he'll drop her eventually when he gets tired of her. Going to be a bigger boom then dropping a stargate linked to a black hole, into a sun.

Eli - My man, who continues to be the real star of the show. His honesty is what's going to save this crew, I'm betting. I remember last ep when his honesty seemed to get annoying, but lying isn't good, either. It's going to come to a head, when student confronts his mentor down the line. More conformation of friend zone. My one gripe with him, is that he still wants her. Come on, man, grow a spine! Stop chasing and holding her hand. It's the only way she'll grow and the only way you may end up having a chance. Oh, and his humor is priceless as always.

As a side note: It's easy to sympathize and empathize with a nerd on TV, because you see their heart-of-gold side. Pretty much the reason they are ignored as more than friendship-material by females like Chloe, is because females are generally self-centered and don't take the time to really understand them. They take them for granted to always be there. And Nerds generally don't have the confidence to make themselves scarce to force the female to re-evaluate things. "Don't know what you have til it's gone" as the saying goes.

Overall:
Seeming a bit soap opera-ish, but hope that changes. Hoping for less sex as it still seems a bit forced as a way to garner ratings. Sadly, sheeple fall for it.

Joachim
November 7th, 2009, 09:57 AM
I don't think it would have worked; the amount of power, the disrepair of the ship, the damaged conduits, etc. etc.

Lightning Ducj
November 7th, 2009, 10:06 AM
I was sorta surprised by the assumption that "well we need more power to go further so we'll just hook it up to a big power source". That really doesn't work for most machinery and devices and if you overwhelm whatever is used to regulate the power than you either blow up that regulation device or blow up the actual device.

That's why you unplug electronic devices in lightning storms.

Lightning Ducj
November 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM
Do you think they are now having security on their bodies on the Destiny as they go to Earth with soldiers stationed to remove the stones after a certain amount of time to make sure Telford and/or somebody else can't take over again?


No, Telford was acting within is orders and responsibilities.We may not like the way he does things but he's not a bad guy trying to take over Destiny for a nefarious purpose. His manner is abrasive, but the plan wasn't even, he was just tasked to carry it out.

leiasky
November 7th, 2009, 10:23 AM
At the end of Earth Young was briefing the IOA and US Military and he said something to the effect of, "Well the time I have allotted for this meeting is over" and walked out. He also appeared much more confident and in control.

Do you think they are now having security on their bodies on the Destiny as they go to Earth with soldiers stationed to remove the stones after a certain amount of time to make sure Telford and/or somebody else can't take over again?



The more I think about it, the more I think this is indeed the case. When they make the 'switch' the Earth, Young is going to make sure he can't be removed from command again.

I really would like these stones explained, though. Why do they look so different than the ones we've seen before?

Lightning Ducj
November 7th, 2009, 10:29 AM
The more I think about it, the more I think this is indeed the case. When they make the 'switch' the Earth, Young is going to make sure he can't be removed from command again.


The only way Young can be removed from command is for someone superior to order that someone take over his command, in which case I don't think he could protest. While Young talked back a bit to Gen O'Neil as far as the plan, I really don't think Young is quite insubordinate enough to go that far

Skydiver
November 7th, 2009, 10:39 AM
He seems to tolerate insubordonation and being disrespected nowadays. I really hated how he took Young's last debriefing - "this is the alloted time I had for the debriefing" - I can't imagine Jack being so disrespectful to Hammond...

There's insubordination and there's insubordination

Jack can symathize with Young. he's the victim of several sets of manipulation and I'm sure Jack empathizes with the whole 'i need to get these people home and i don't have time to mess around with staff meetings'

Lightning Ducj
November 7th, 2009, 10:43 AM
Funny, seeing as how every single character that has used the stones to visit Earth insofar has gotten tons of screen time devoted to their on-Earth activities.

Well, Chloe, Young and Eil have gotten more screen time on Destiny as well. At this point in the story, there's simply more story telling around those characters wherever they are. Wray simply hasn't gotten much to do yet in any location: hasn't gone off-world, solved any problems, saved the ship, etc... so there's not much going on with her yet to warrant a lot of time devoted to her personal life on Earth

This time at least I was impressed because her loyalty to the IOA and her conversation with the IOA head and subsequent conversation with Rush I thought added a new dimension to her character and actually pulled her up a bit to the point of a character with enough background and nuance of motivation to be interesting.

FallenAngelII
November 7th, 2009, 10:53 AM
Well, Chloe, Young and Eil have gotten more screen time on Destiny as well. At this point in the story, there's simply more story telling around those characters wherever they are. Wray simply hasn't gotten much to do yet in any location: hasn't gone off-world, solved any problems, saved the ship, etc... so there's not much going on with her yet to warrant a lot of time devoted to her personal life on Earth
Yes, but they got a lot of screen-time for on-Earth activities this time. Camille should've gotten some as well. All she got was on-base stuff and then some quasi-off-base stuff (she was kinda still on duty, though).


This time at least I was impressed because her loyalty to the IOA and her conversation with the IOA head and subsequent conversation with Rush I thought added a new dimension to her character and actually pulled her up a bit to the point of a character with enough background and nuance of motivation to be interesting.
Which is kinda another way of saying "The PTB should've started using her more on the show earlier". After 350+ episodes, the first blatant LGBTQ interaction on SG cannot come soon enough. And this just frustrated me to no end.

I mean, the obsession on Chloe's former social life annoyed me because they lingered too much on it. But coupled with Wray's total lack of interaction with anyone who's not military of IOA, it just makes me bitter.

ManofTheAtom
November 7th, 2009, 11:03 AM
During his conversation with Telford, Rush said that "there is a right way to doing that" in response to Telford's remark that they need to get the crew back home.

I think that Rush already figured out a way to get back to Earth but, as the IOA suspects, he doesn't want to go back just yet.

Lightning Ducj
November 7th, 2009, 11:07 AM
"A modern day warrior, mean, mean, stride, today's Tom Sawyer mean, mean, pride"

Hmm..maybe appropriate


During his conversation with Telford, Rush said that "there is a right way to doing that" in response to Telford's remark that they need to get the crew back home.

I think that Rush already figured out a way to get back to Earth but, as the IOA suspects, he doesn't want to go back just yet.

He was just meaning that they were going about it in what he saw as a careless fashion. Even *if* the plan would work, they were executing it poorly. He was trying to say "there is a right way to execute the plan", not an implication that he has a different plan.

ManofTheAtom
November 7th, 2009, 11:09 AM
"A modern day warrior, mean, mean, stride, today's Tom Sawyer mean, mean, pride"

Hmm..maybe appropriate



He was just meaning that they were going about it in what he saw as a careless fashion. Even *if* the plan would work, they were executing it poorly. He was trying to say "there is a right way to execute the plan", not an implication that he has a different plan.

Maybe, but he wouldn't be much of a devious character if he didn't do devious things, right?

ARealArchaeologist
November 7th, 2009, 11:09 AM
During his conversation with Telford, Rush said that "there is a right way to doing that" in response to Telford's remark that they need to get the crew back home.

I think that Rush already figured out a way to get back to Earth but, as the IOA suspects, he doesn't want to go back just yet.

He does seem to know more then he lets on. I'm sure he suspected what the ship would do in the star, but wasn't completely sure, maybe he does have an idea how to go home. It could be a right time thing, or it could be that he just isn't ready to go.

Lightning Ducj
November 7th, 2009, 11:16 AM
It could be a right time thing, or it could be that he just isn't ready to go.

I seriously doubt that Rush has the state of mind of someone who doesn't want to go home, unless he is truly suicidal.

Every episode, every event has been a threat (perceived or actual) to everyone on the ship, including himself. His life is in pretty imminent danger on a regular basis. Only an idiot would want to stay if he had a choice.

What I *do* see is that Rush is a pessimist and tends to few the chance of success of any plan succeeding as being pretty low. He's smart but tends to see the worst of everything and tends to need some goading from Young and maybe propping from Eli to be effective.

Rush seems actually to be quite depressed about their situation and chance of survival, maybe some remorse for getting them into this predicament, so tends to view every plan with a bit of bitter pessimism.

ManofTheAtom
November 7th, 2009, 11:16 AM
He does seem to know more then he lets on. I'm sure he suspected what the ship would do in the star, but wasn't completely sure, maybe he does have an idea how to go home. It could be a right time thing, or it could be that he just isn't ready to go.

Yeah

Jonzey
November 7th, 2009, 11:23 AM
Yes, but they got a lot of screen-time for on-Earth activities this time. Camille should've gotten some as well. All she got was on-base stuff and then some quasi-off-base stuff (she was kinda still on duty, though).


Which is kinda another way of saying "The PTB should've started using her more on the show earlier". After 350+ episodes, the first blatant LGBTQ interaction on SG cannot come soon enough. And this just frustrated me to no end.

I mean, the obsession on Chloe's former social life annoyed me because they lingered too much on it. But coupled with Wray's total lack of interaction with anyone who's not military of IOA, it just makes me bitter.
So you're saying they should have cut out some stuff you didn't want to see to put in stuff you did want to see?

I guess TPTB didn't get your list of demands in time.

LoneStar1836
November 7th, 2009, 11:33 AM
On tonight’s episode of As the Gate Turns….Is Telford sleeping with Young’s wife? lol. He most definitely has been, imo. Considering how f’d up the situation is…even if you accept the fact that that is your cheating husband facing death on the other side of the universe in Telford’s body, I still find it a bit of a stretch that she wouldn’t have much of a problem having sex with some stranger’s body…unless she already knew him. Hell wouldn’t Young find it a little weird that his wife didn’t have a problem having sex with another guy’s body. I hope they used protection! Heh. That’s all SGU needs is Young’s wife being pregnant with Telford’s baby because Young didn’t use protection.

Anyway if Telford was already carrying on a relationship with Young’s wife, doesn’t really paint him in any worse light than what Young is doing/did…having an affair with TJ which was clearly evident in the first episode of SGU and then throwing the guilt trip on your wife to sleep with her wearing another man’s body. How selfish…not to mention the ethical question even if Young hates Telford. How does he know Telford doesn't have some STD. Yep, this definitely ain’t your daddy’s Stargate. If they want to get all soapy, I’ll roll with them on this one as I’m actually not minding this particular story line because of the sleazy entertainment value. FTL tripping the stones and Telford finding himself in that position. lol!!

They just keep solidifying my severe dislike of Chloe. I don’t give a crap about her at all. So whatever redemption they have for this character is more than likely not going to pull her out of the gutter of the most useless and annoying character on this show for me. That club scene stuff was awful…to include the need to cut in clips of the band. Seriously? I thought only Smallville, etc did stuff like that. (Heh. Ryan Kennedy who was in this ep…one Eli swapped with…also played Rokk on Smallville.) It revealed nothing I cared about and only reinforced what I hate about her. Though her being drunk is a bit more entertaining than her sober.

I liked Eli’s bits on Earth, well minus all the drama with Chloe. She has relegated you to friend and that’s it. You are better off without her.

Hey it was Morris from 24! Maybe SGU needs Chloe O’Brian’s mad computer skills from 24 to get them home. If we have to have a Chloe on this show, I rather have her. ;) I liked the part with him and Wray and what it revealed.

I am still not liking the whole using the stones to insert Earth story lines into the show as a way to grow the characters. There is no way the military would allow these people to go visit loved ones, much less giving them free reign to run around having sex, drinking, and who knows what else…in other people’s bodies. They are security risks. :rolleyes: What if the person Chloe was abusing happened to be an alcoholic?

Anyway…on to the actual ship part of the story.

My love of the Rush character continues. One of the best scenes in SGU to date with that reveal…and for me there just aren’t that many. I didn’t see it coming so that was a good thing. I mean I knew dialing Earth would fail, but that Rush helped to stage it. Awesome. I don’t exactly trust Rush as I think he is a bit shady (but not as shady as he is being made out to be with the constant doubting by Young), but he’s definitely my favorite character. I certainly don’t fault him for not telling the others what he was doing. Can’t exactly trust them and there might have been a slim chance that Scott would have felt obligated to tell Telford. People on that ship generally dislike Rush anyway so he had nothing to lose and might have even gained a little bit for saving their butts from being blow to bits. I do think Telford was right and that in the back of Rush’s mind is the possibility that if Rush did get back to Earth that he would be taken off the project. So that does nicely play into the “is Rush good or bad?” because there is motivation for not wanting to get back right away. I do believe him (or I want to because I can't say without a shred of doubt he wasn't lying) when he says it wasn't going to work so at this point I don't want to say he deliberately sabotaged the change to return home...not saying he might not though in the future.

Telford running away. Oh, that was great. :D I like that Telford is an ass and stirs up trouble on this show even though he was just doing what he was sent there to do. Right now he is leaning towards one of those characters you love to hate. I am still waiting for a smack down between him and Young. Didn’t get it in this episode, but I’m still holding out hope especially after what transpired in this ep. As far as Telford locking Greer up, logical action from his point of view. Telford doesn’t like him, but also Greer would have been trouble. Interesting to also learn that Young was asked first to command this mission and not Telford.


To sum it up, I actually liked this episode more than last week's. It's one of the better ones so far even with that horrible club story line which so far is only eclipsed in it's awfulness by the Chloe in the shower/dark dren.

FallenAngelII
November 7th, 2009, 11:33 AM
So you're saying they should have cut out some stuff you didn't want to see to put in stuff you did want to see?

I guess TPTB didn't get your list of demands in time.
It's my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad.

hedwig
November 7th, 2009, 11:46 AM
Does anyone else think Eli's mom figured it out, at least on an instinctive/mom level if not a rational level? When he grabbed the right container of whatever that was, it just seemed like she had figured it out.

I think it startled her that he knew right where the container was, and probably wondered how he could know that. As far as figuring anything out, she knows he's involved with something mysterious to do involving the Air Force, but I think that's as far as it goes for her to figure anything out. On a subconscious level, she might have "felt" there was something familiar about the guy in her kitchen ... as in he reminded her of her son somehow.

Maxum
November 7th, 2009, 11:53 AM
Anyway if Telford was already carrying on a relationship with Young’s wife, doesn’t really paint him in any worse light than what Young is doing/did…having an affair with TJ which was clearly evident in the first episode of SGU and then throwing the guilt trip on your wife to sleep with her wearing another man’s body. How selfish

Guilted her into having sex? Please. Emily has a mind of her own, and she can decide if she wants to forgive her husband or not. I didn't see him guilting her at all. He basically poured out his heart to her and was walking away. What he said to her hit home, and she forgave him.


They just keep solidifying my severe dislike of Chloe. I don’t give a crap about her at all.

I don't dislike the character, per se, but your last sentence, I completely agree with you on.

Spimman
November 7th, 2009, 12:12 PM
No, Telford was acting within is orders and responsibilities.We may not like the way he does things but he's not a bad guy trying to take over Destiny for a nefarious purpose. His manner is abrasive, but the plan wasn't even, he was just tasked to carry it out.

I'm not saying Telford wasn't acting within orders, even if I do think he and the IOA guy might be working with the Lucian Alliance, that wasn't my point at all.

I'm saying next time Young and Telford switch bodies I think Greer will be sitting there guarding Young's body (which Telford will be in control of) on the Destiny. Young seems smart enough to figure out that he is the one in control of this situation, and he can cut off Earth anytime he wants to.

I was curious if he was already doing that by his confidence and comment about the amount of time he allotted being over, like saying Greer is about to terminate the connection at a certain time on my order.

Darkside_Six
November 7th, 2009, 12:31 PM
AWESOME! Many things I loved about this episode:

1. The Guns of Destiny
2. Telford/Young switching scenes.
3. Club scene. Eli continues to be great.
4. Rush was great this episode. Very calm, collected and awesomely devious.
5. Lots of Jack.
6. Homeworld Command? Interesting... perhaps a nice evolution of the SGC, considering that Earth deals with spaceships and whatnot nowadays.

LoneStar1836
November 7th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Guilted her into having sex? Please. Emily has a mind of her own, and she can decide if she wants to forgive her husband or not. I didn't see him guilting her at all. He basically poured out his heart to her and was walking away. What he said to her hit home, and she forgave him.My interpretation of course. ;) You don't agree. No problem.

Him laying it on thick with the sob story and the fact that he could very well die played into getting her to open the door...in essence guilt tripping her, imo. Not that that was Young's intention as I think he was being genuinely honest in his feelings and felt he needed to get all this out because of the real possibility that he could die, and I felt kinda bad for the guy standing outside the door and laying it all out there. I know it was her choice to open the door. But I still say forget all that because I think she has been carrying on a relationship with Telford...thus her not being reluctant to sleep with her husband in another man's body. That's gotta be friggin weird, but not quite as weird as having sex with him in some complete stranger's body.

She didn't seem too keen on the idea that Young was stuck on Destiny with TJ though. So I wouldn't exactly say she's forgiven him, especially if I am right in assuming she is messing around with Telford.

Arative
November 7th, 2009, 02:17 PM
I liked this episode better than Water. Nice to know that they only have access to 20% of the ship without suits. That leaves a lot unexplored. The energy weapons were pretty cool looking. Looks like in her prime, Destiny was badass ship.

Didn't much care for the club scene but it was good to see Eli recognize being friendzoned. The moral implications of using someone else's body is something that needs to be explored. What if the person that Chloe is wearing is a recovering alcoholic. What if Telford has an STI or Emily does. What if Emily gets pregnant?

The hints of what happened between TJ and Young was finally revealed. Gives good meaning to why TJ was leaving. I believe that Wray knows what happened between them.

I liked Young a lot this episode and felt he grew as a commander. He's looking out for all the people on the Destiny and not just following orders. He recognizes that given the situation, following orders blindly isn't always the best course of action.

I like how Rush ran the IOA and Telford out but I have to wonder if he knows the way to dial Earth. Although I thinking being able to dial Earth would ruin the show.

Cory Holmes
November 7th, 2009, 02:53 PM
ILooks like in her prime, Destiny was badass ship.

Incorrect. She's a little worn, a little worse for wear, possibly showing her age a bit... and is still a phenominal badass. :cool:

JayJohn85
November 7th, 2009, 03:01 PM
I'll be honest havent read all the posts but from glancing at them I dont think anyone has posted or has occured to them that Telford and Young's wife where already having an affair. I mean she was quick to get into bed with him and seemed to enjoy it very much plus in the actual scene itself hes kinda looks at her rather surprised. Telford's reaction seemed to be more than just holy crap I just landed back in my body and I am in bed with Young's wife. Nope the length of time he seemed to be thinking on it seems to me he was like "oh <snip> I could be nabbed" This seems more likely to be honest as the whole Telford landing around pretending to be Young for revenge is just too obvious as a plot line and also a bit stupid and shallow in reality. Also you have her sitting there drinking her tea and it just seemed she was expecting the call.

Replicator Todd
November 7th, 2009, 09:19 PM
So is the SGC really gone, and replaced with Homeworld Command?

jelgate
November 7th, 2009, 09:22 PM
So is the SGC really gone, and replaced with Homeworld Command?

No just that the Destiny Earth exchange is taking place at the Pentagon. Their are obvious reasons for this as Homeworld Security deals with outside of Earth. The SGC is just Stargate related

thedrumm3rguy
November 7th, 2009, 09:56 PM
Decent episode, let's get into it.

Overall:
Seeming a bit soap opera-ish, but hope that changes.


here here!

wasn't a fan of tonight's episode at all, im just hoping now they've got all this stuff out of the way, we can get back to exploring the destiny/the ancients/planets and cultures and all the other roots that made stargate so brilliant.

i really this hope this type of episode doesn't become the staple; as it can work form time to time, but all the time takes it into eastenders territory!! :D

Vapor
November 7th, 2009, 10:02 PM
(*sigh*) This is the show.

Seriously, the show is about the characters and what's going on with them emotionally. There is escapist stuff within it, but the show's still very much about these people as human beings, and based on what we hear time and time again from the creatives of the series, that's not going to change anytime soon.

Every time someone says something like "we've set everything up, now the real show can begin" I just find myself stopping and wondering what that means. The show has already started. This is it.

Coronach
November 7th, 2009, 10:07 PM
(*sigh*) This is the show.

Seriously, the show is about the characters and what's going on with them emotionally. There is escapist stuff within it, but the show's still very much about these people as human beings, and based on what we hear time and time again from the creatives of the series, that's not going to change anytime soon.

Every time someone says something like "we've set everything up, now the real show can begin" I just find myself stopping and wondering what that means. The show has already started. This is it.

Well, I know I've said something similar to that before, but I hardly mean it in a "Good, now the action can begin!!" kind of thing. I mean it in a "well, the immediate, pressing survival issues are gone...so now more adventurous and exploratory-type plotlines can begin".

Presumably, you'd agree that there's been little time for any "true" adventure/exploration, given that any off-world activities have been coupled with immediate survival necessities?

That's not to say that we haven't had action or that we haven't discovered some pretty cool things so far :D

Vapor
November 7th, 2009, 10:23 PM
Well, we have visited planets, encountered aliens, faced life-and-death struggles of a sci-fi nature, and I would qualify all of this as adventure. Though transporting your thoughts into another body billions of lightyears away and having various experiences with it would also qualify as adventure to me.

So, I kind of expect more of all those kinds of things. And of course we're eventually going to get to some kind of "shoot-em-up" action like we saw briefly in the premiere, sure.

But some people almost make it sound like they're expecting "The Return" or "Camelot" every week now, and instead they'll get more "Darkness."

Which I'm fine with, by the way. I just don't want people to keep expecting one thing and finding themselves disappointed because of what they were convinced they would see.

Coronach
November 7th, 2009, 10:30 PM
Well, we have visited planets, encountered aliens, faced life-and-death struggles of a sci-fi nature, and I would qualify all of this as adventure. Though transporting your thoughts into another body billions of lightyears away and having various experiences with it would also qualify as adventure to me.

So, I kind of expect more of all those kinds of things. And of course we're eventually going to get to some kind of "shoot-em-up" action like we saw briefly in the premiere, sure.

But some people almost make it sound like they're expecting "The Return" or "Camelot" every week now, and instead they'll get more "Darkness."

Which I'm fine with, by the way. I just don't want people to keep expecting one thing and finding themselves disappointed because of what they were convinced they would see.

Lol, I feel like I'm not getting my point across (which makes sense because it's pretty late here), because I agree with what you're saying. :P

Vapor
November 7th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Oh, I get it. It's just that this sort of comment pops up all over the place, and it doesn't always sound like others realize what's up with the show. >_>

Ekiel
November 7th, 2009, 11:04 PM
OMG this show lets me down every week.
And still everytime I hope that next time stuff will happen. You know, actual stuff, like what men can actually care about.
I thought I'd give it the season to grow on me but I'm more and more getting the feeling that I won't have the patience.

Could I have some science with my sci-fi, please?

It seems we never get anything to hear about the destiny except "This doesn't work/We are locked out of that system" (to create drama), "This system now magically works" (to allow drama) and "Destiny is doing something" (causing drama).

It's actually quite funny how Rush can say that they are locked out of most systems because they don't have the "master code" and immediately after that we are told that firing the guns(!) is apparently no problem at all.
Way to go ancients, I guess guns are the one thing that every intruder needs to have control over.
Yes, I know, there will be dozens of possible explanations the most obvious being "it's old and broken" (also the most unsatisfying one).

The point is: The writers don't even care.
Not explaining something at all is certainly not better than "technobabble" (soap opera advocates here seem to like this word).

Richard 'Win' Anderson

I wish they would stop using RDA as a nod to fans. He was great for many seasons but now it's just feeling weird.
It gets old and is a very transparent move to please old fans (who they don't care about at all, except as numbers).
In light of recent discussion about what you are allowed to say about the appearance of actors I'll just stop writing about RDA (you all saw him).

Clem
November 7th, 2009, 11:13 PM
All i can say to that episode is - wowzers.

I liked parts, i was morally disgusted by parts, but they were all definitely entertaining.

Young-as-Telford sleeping with his wife, only to have Telford fade in and out, was downright nasty. Not alot of stuff on television can make me wince, but i really struggled with that concept. Maybe we shouldn't be pondering the morality of intergalactic rape in prime time...

Eli visiting his mother was a sweet little scene. I'm kinda disappointed she didn't tweak to the reality of the situation. I know he said she could barely handle an episode of Star Trek, but she was going to an awful lot of trouble making meals for a supposed stranger who clearly uses her son's inflections and knows where everything is located in the house without ever having been there before.

Chloe on the other hand is becoming intensely dislikable with each passing episode. Being whiny about her ex and best friend getting together, subsequently getting needlessly drunk, relegating Eli to the oh-so-despised-yet-worryingly-familiar-to-me "friend zone" and running straight back into Scott's arms when she was done? Man she was needy. Even in pointing out how shallow her life has been upto this point, it's not like she's correcting it. She's making exactly the same mistakes all over again. She needs to find some new role to fill onboard the ship or she'll have a hell of a bullseye on her back when the writers come around to killing someone.

Finally, oh glorious Rush. For awhile there, i thought there wasn't enough Rush in this episode, but then he swooped in at the end, worked his magic and left me laughing my ass off. Ironically, this is how you know he's been completely on the level so far. When he perpetrates a giant theatrical farce to get his way, he totally boasts about it. Which he's never done up until this point. In any other SG series, it probably would've been Young heroically saving the ship by ceasing contact with Earth and ignoring orders, but here it was Rush with a giant smug grin on his face and i loved it.

Ending on a question, what was with Young and Eli both having the lame fantastical jump-cut within the same episode? Young imagining snogging TJ made sense and makes for a hell of an entertaining mess considering his later actions, but then using the same cliche device for Eli imagining making out with Chloe? I know we guys think about sex all the time, but they probably should've played the scene straight at least one of those times.

Eternal Density
November 8th, 2009, 01:10 AM
This ep was 3 times as awesome than I expected. I'll need to watch it again to make sure I have it all straight (got interrupted a lot) but some thoughts are:
I rather liked Rush's secret plan and general demeanor. Great usage of the spacesuits, and heroic Riley showed his colours! Flying into a sun intentionally FTW: I was hoping that would be used again.
Lots of great use of the communication stones. I like the dynamic that they blink out at FTL transitions, it means no one can swap full time.
I thought the performance in the club fit well with the scenes. I looked up Janelle Monae a couple of days ago after watching the sneak-peak a few times and reading the pre-airing thread and have many moons firmly stuck in my head. Sincerely Jane too.
That artist is a fitting choice due to her strong sci-fi theme.

thekillman
November 8th, 2009, 01:16 AM
i didnt see a weak drunk chloe. i saw a person who is only hindered by her position. hindered by her father's position. somebody who will always be seen as "that rich kid" or "that senator's kid" and not as chloe.

MattSilver 3k
November 8th, 2009, 01:29 AM
i didnt see a weak drunk chloe. i saw a person who is only hindered by her position. hindered by her father's position. somebody who will always be seen as "that rich kid" or "that senator's kid" and not as chloe.

And she was drunk while being that way. :P