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maddmike
October 28th, 2009, 12:47 PM
It only struck me today after watching it again, but i believe the Destinys shields are more powerful than any other ship we have seen so far. None of the Tau'ri ships could even approach the sun as we saw in Atlantis when the wraith virus took over the ship, they would have all been doomed because of the radiation.

Doesn't it make you wonder if the ships has such superior shields then what weapons might it have, and why didn't the other ancient ships have such powerful shields?

This also makes me think about power, why did the ancients not power their other ships on this 'solar energy' to me it seems far superior.

What do you all think? :D

Arlan
October 28th, 2009, 05:54 PM
Perhaps the shield only protects from stars since that is how the ship refuels. Just because it can keep out heat and/or radiation doesn't mean it can keep out weapons fire or space debris like asteroids.

soulgazer
October 28th, 2009, 06:17 PM
Perhaps the shield only protects from stars since that is how the ship refuels. Just because it can keep out heat and/or radiation doesn't mean it can keep out weapons fire or space debris like asteroids.

:indeed: or maybe it could just be absorbin all the soloar stuff going at it

maddmike
October 28th, 2009, 06:31 PM
:indeed: or maybe it could just be absorbin all the soloar stuff going at it

True they might not even do well in a battle they might just be designed to absorb all of the radiation to recharge. That would explain all of the damage on the ship if the shields aren't effective against weapons. :D

Count
October 28th, 2009, 06:31 PM
It only struck me today after watching it again, but i believe the Destinys shields are more powerful than any other ship we have seen so far. None of the Tau'ri ships could even approach the sun as we saw in Atlantis when the wraith virus took over the ship, they would have all been doomed because of the radiation.

Doesn't it make you wonder if the ships has such superior shields then what weapons might it have, and why didn't the other ancient ships have such powerful shields?

This also makes me think about power, why did the ancients not power their other ships on this 'solar energy' to me it seems far superior.

What do you all think? :D

The Daedalus with a ZPM powered shield sat in the path of a solar flare for about 2 minutes and survived (hull damage from heat only). Granted the hull suffered head damage and a solar flare is like a thousand times hotter then the surface or interior of a star, but still. I think a ZPM powered ship _could_ potentially pull it off.

koroush47
October 28th, 2009, 07:50 PM
The destiny was made in the golden years of the ancients.




It has to be good.

Think of it as the expression "They do not build them as they once did.'" —Teal'c :tealc:

Think of the destiny as the Brooklyn bridge... And the newer crap they made as your local bridge.

Back then, everything was over engineered, to make maximum profit... companies have started over time to make garbage.

Replicator Todd
October 28th, 2009, 07:56 PM
Maybe something failed or was flawed with the solar energy thing.

Kidwizz
October 28th, 2009, 08:20 PM
OR the shields pull power directly from the sun, once the ship is in there.

Inquisitor
October 28th, 2009, 10:55 PM
It's because there's no other more interesting method, other than eating the star. :P

latvian_stargatefan
October 29th, 2009, 04:58 AM
The destiny was made in the golden years of the ancients.




It has to be good.

Think of it as the expression "They do not build them as they once did.'" —Teal'c :tealc:

Think of the destiny as the Brooklyn bridge... And the newer crap they made as your local bridge.

Back then, everything was over engineered, to make maximum profit... companies have started over time to make garbage.
I agree. Probably it was the height of their civilization. Like Ancient Romans f.e.x could make many thinks people later in the Middle Ages could not pull off. Probably the Destiny was made in the peak of their civilization, back when ships were their only way of transportation... Then they created the first gates and ships started to become less needed in everyday life and tech concerning the ships regressed but tech concerning gates progressed

Crashbarrier
October 29th, 2009, 05:12 AM
It has been stated by Rush that the ship pre-dates the ancient tech we have seen so far so it is not to hard to speculate that the shield tech for the Destiny has been lost or just plain forgotten over time.

There is also the possibility that given the prolific nature of the ancients in going out into the galaxy and setting up colonies and outposts, it is possible that the shield tech for Destiny just never got any further than from its original launch point.

Mongoletsi
October 29th, 2009, 05:42 AM
@latvian_stargatefan & karoush47

Sorry guys but that makes no sense at all. You're effectively saying that Destiny is technologically superior to Atlantis and Aurora class ships, which is obviously untrue.

The "height" of the British Empire was over 100 years ago. So, single-shot Enfield rifle, or an SA80? Nuff said.

latvian_stargatefan
October 29th, 2009, 06:12 AM
@latvian_stargatefan & karoush47

Sorry guys but that makes no sense at all. You're effectively saying that Destiny is technologically superior to Atlantis and Aurora class ships, which is obviously untrue.

The "height" of the British Empire was over 100 years ago. So, single-shot Enfield rifle, or an SA80? Nuff said.
Ok, then we can compare Destiny with the Great Pyramids. Sure, nowadays we make more sophisticated buildings from more sophisticated materials but, as seen in the great documentary series "Life After People" only the Great Pyramids would survive another 10 000 years exposed to rain, heat, humidity, winds etc. None of other fancy Earth buildings.

I guess the same could be said about the shield of the Destiny. Sure, Atlantis time people could recreate it but they just didn't think it would be worth to waste such a sum of money (if they had money) to make a shield that would allow them to go through a sun if they didn't need to do that because they had a better and cheaper energy source.

I guess Lantians also had specific science vessels that could do that when they wanted to research the sun. But like modern submarines can't go to the greatest depths of our oceans, their warships couldn't go through the sun because there was simply no need for them to do that and it would cost amazing amount of money. The Destiny shield is still probably much weaker than Atlantis as concerns fighting off enemy ships- it's just so designed that one of its features allow you to go through the sun. Maybe this type of a shiel d was so expensive that making it do that on all the Ancient warships and transport vessels would be a complete waste of money.

KEK
October 29th, 2009, 06:13 AM
It only struck me today after watching it again, but i believe the Destinys shields are more powerful than any other ship we have seen so far. None of the Tau'ri ships could even approach the sun as we saw in Atlantis when the wraith virus took over the ship, they would have all been doomed because of the radiation.

Doesn't it make you wonder if the ships has such superior shields then what weapons might it have, and why didn't the other ancient ships have such powerful shields?

This also makes me think about power, why did the ancients not power their other ships on this 'solar energy' to me it seems far superior.

What do you all think? :D

Do we know for sure that the shield was up for that time?

Col.Ads
October 29th, 2009, 07:27 AM
We have seen the Daedalus, albeit in variations come very close to a sun without a ZPM and we have seen the Daedalus with a ZPM take the brunt of a solar flare.

At the very least you could say given the first example that Asgard Shields are strong enough to approach a sun, Given the ancients understaning of technology it would not be suprising if Destiny's shields were developed for going near suns or other cosmic enomolies.

koroush47
October 29th, 2009, 12:27 PM
We have seen the Daedalus, albeit in variations come very close to a sun without a ZPM and we have seen the Daedalus with a ZPM take the brunt of a solar flare.

At the very least you could say given the first example that Asgard Shields are strong enough to approach a sun, Given the ancients understaning of technology it would not be suprising if Destiny's shields were developed for going near suns or other cosmic enomolies.

Just admit the destiny kicks ass :P

jcoy
October 29th, 2009, 01:00 PM
True they might not even do well in a battle they might just be designed to absorb all of the radiation to recharge. That would explain all of the damage on the ship if the shields aren't effective against weapons. :D

I've been assuming that the damage was all from asteroid impacts and stuff like that. I guess they would have had to happen when the shields where off though (maybe it's run out of power before). I didn't figure an unmanned (or unAnciented) space ship would have been in very many battles (although I guess it only takes one).

daedalus91
October 29th, 2009, 01:59 PM
Well if the Destiny is solar powered, then wouldn't being in the star give it a huge and constant amount of energy?
Enough to say power the sheild and maintain it forever?
This would make it both exstreamly powerfull and make it last forever.

Sonicbluemustang
October 29th, 2009, 02:16 PM
I assume Destiny can also defend itself from aggressive attackers automatically but just cant repair itself.

Edi
October 29th, 2009, 02:18 PM
What about the shields being powered from a capacitor-like device?
It was in the sun for just few minutes. (like 5?) Possibly the shields ware so strong because they consumed a lot of POWER, witch can be supplied only by a capacitor-like devise (in that time) witch is charged for... hours?

But then again a ZPM is very good a POWER supply.
But then again a ZPM powered earth ship survived a MEGA (as stated and happens once in... 10k years?) solar flare right in the face...
That red dwarf is not THAT hot after all...

garhkal
October 29th, 2009, 03:45 PM
Maybe the shields are only configured for atmospheric containment and sun protection. Hence the 'battle damage'.

KEK
October 29th, 2009, 05:18 PM
RUSH : We're gonna live, Eli.

WALLACE : What about the turbulence and the heat and the death?

RUSH: No, all of that would have happened by now. The shield is protecting us.

ARMSTRONG: But you said we were out of power.

RUSH: I was absolutely certain of that, and I've never been more pleased to be wrong in all my life.

rlr149
October 29th, 2009, 05:43 PM
@latvian_stargatefan & karoush47

Sorry guys but that makes no sense at all. You're effectively saying that Destiny is technologically superior to Atlantis and Aurora class ships, which is obviously untrue.

The "height" of the British Empire was over 100 years ago. So, single-shot Enfield rifle, or an SA80? Nuff said.

a mark 1 SA80?............. give me the enfield!

Mongoletsi
October 30th, 2009, 01:30 AM
a mark 1 SA80?............. give me the enfield!
Defo a mk2 mate.

maddmike
October 30th, 2009, 11:10 AM
Do we know for sure that the shield was up for that time?

Touche :P

... but i still think it's rather interesting what the capabilities of the ships shields would be, as for the other ships being able to take a hit from a solar flare that is nothing compared to actually being inside the star itself.
I think from what someone else said that whilst it is in the star it is possible that it uses A LOT more energy on the shields because at that point it cant because of all the energy that is being transferred and stored.

Edi
October 30th, 2009, 01:30 PM
... but i still think it's rather interesting what the capabilities of the ships shields would be, as for the other ships being able to take a hit from a solar flare that is nothing compared to actually being inside the star itself.


Actually, in this case, it isn't...

Replicator Todd
October 30th, 2009, 02:24 PM
These are the right shields, in the right place.
Can't wait to see how they hold up to weapons fire.

Gate Master
October 30th, 2009, 02:58 PM
Destiny's shield strength is some what of a contradiction given that Atlantis's shields with three ZPM's were effected alot by a brush with the atmosphere and the releatively small amount of heat created by that friction.

The only logical answer seems to be as others have said that the shields are powered directly by the sun which means the hotter it is, the more power they have.
As for weapons fire if it can take the heat and kenetic force of a star it should handle weapons or meteorites easily but will depend on power since it wont have unlimited energy to draw up on. But then maybe its shields can absorbe the energy from thoses as well much like the ori shield in beach head.

As for aurora class ships being made for lack of a better word cheaply, I imagine they were, for the purposes of being build rapidly and resource efficiant to get as many out there fighting against the superiour wraith numbers as they could. They did after all have a large area to protect in the begining. I would hope that the more modern ancient ships prior to the wraith conflict were alot more advanced than the aurora's but perhaps they got destroyed early on.

StarFighter
October 30th, 2009, 03:16 PM
To say the Destiny is in anyway superior to the "modern" version of Ancient tech is just ridiculous. Just because the shield could withstand the stars power doesn't mean it had better shields. Destiny was clearly designed to recharge using stars. It only makes sense that the Destiny would have shields specifically designed for this. It stands to reason that the Destiny shields were being powered by the star.

Even though the stress on the Destiny was enormous the Destiny also had a somewhat abundant power source to draw from.

The Mighty 6 platoon
October 30th, 2009, 03:19 PM
To say the Destiny is in anyway superior to the "modern" version of Ancient tech is just ridiculous. Just because the shield could withstand the stars power doesn't mean it had better shields. Destiny was clearly designed to recharge using stars. It only makes sense that the Destiny would have shields specifically designed for this. It stands to reason that the Destiny shields were being powered by the star.

Even though the stress on the Destiny was enormous the Destiny also had a somewhat abundant power source to draw from.

Yup this pretty much nails it I think.

SoulReaver
October 30th, 2009, 03:23 PM
It only struck me today after watching it again, but i believe the Destinys shields are more powerful than any other ship we have seen so far. None of the Tau'ri ships could even approach the sun as we saw in Atlantis when the wraith virus took over the ship, they would have all been doomed because of the radiation.

Doesn't it make you wonder if the ships has such superior shields then what weapons might it have, and why didn't the other ancient ships have such powerful shields?

This also makes me think about power, why did the ancients not power their other ships on this 'solar energy' to me it seems far superior.

What do you all think? :Dacutally it's more a question of power than the shielding itself

basically the shields held because the sun was providing all the power needed to protect against itself :|

noxxy66
October 31st, 2009, 05:51 AM
what are you guys talking about??
we have seen even a gould mothership enter a sun's choronasphere in season 5 ep 1 enemies during the the battle between apophis and the replicators and it's shields lasted for 1-2 hours i cant remember exaclty.

compared to other shield technologies gould is one of the weakest so its not such a big deal..

also there is no direct way of comparing shield technologies. from what we have seen so far atlantis's shields were most powerfull, no toher ship could stand against weapons fire for several days/months.

garhkal
October 31st, 2009, 02:25 PM
what are you guys talking about??
we have seen even a gould mothership enter a sun's choronasphere in season 5 ep 1 enemies during the the battle between apophis and the replicators and it's shields lasted for 1-2 hours i cant remember exaclty.

compared to other shield technologies gould is one of the weakest so its not such a big deal...

Good catch. Though iirc the radiation was an issue.

toby1kanobi
November 2nd, 2009, 08:14 AM
@latvian_stargatefan & karoush47

Sorry guys but that makes no sense at all. You're effectively saying that Destiny is technologically superior to Atlantis and Aurora class ships, which is obviously untrue.

The "height" of the British Empire was over 100 years ago. So, single-shot Enfield rifle, or an SA80? Nuff said.

have you tried an sa80, seriously, there rubbish, hard to maintain and jam all the time, unlike an older gun, like lets say the ak47, simple, easy and will work even when full of mud, simple and older dont allways mean rubbish, and earlier posts are correct, tech from the romans was lost for many years and only reinvented in some cases 1000 years later. things can be lost or forgotten over time especialy when you are dealing with a civilisation that suddenly declines and dissaperes, lust like the ancients, just like the romans. what part ofd this is so hard to take it? we have actial proof that advanced civilisations coud invent things that could be simply lost for centuries. another point is the myans, they places stones together so perfectly that even today after the ravages of time we cant force a razorblade between the gaps, how did they do it, we dont know today and its 2009 HELLOOOOOOO