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Commander Zelix
October 26th, 2009, 01:55 PM
One strange aspect of Light is that they didn't use the stones for the dying crew to say one last goodbye to their family (phone calls, letters, etc). Sure the Kino are fun for properity if you want to leave something behind to all the desert and lava planets out there. But what about using the stones to say one last goodbye to the family before dying? Strange that nobody even suggested it as their death was seemingly impeding.

perkin127
October 26th, 2009, 01:58 PM
i dnt think there was enough time, it all seemed to happen pretty quickly and there were a lot of people onboard not to mention the confidentiality issues of everyone saying goodbye to people

Rac80
October 26th, 2009, 02:01 PM
they had a sex scene and "cool cgi" to fill the time......the LRC is becoming a convenient crutch for the stories....next week chloe will go visit her mom to talk about her and scott......:rolleyes::

Pepermint Jaffa
October 26th, 2009, 02:11 PM
Maybe they had a hard time finding volunteers on the Earth side. ;)

The6thRace
October 26th, 2009, 02:45 PM
The stones were destroyed in 'Darkness' when the airlock to Earth was opened.

MediaSavant
October 26th, 2009, 02:50 PM
I think the answer to that question is entirely due to the structure of the script. Taking the viewer away from the Destiny would have cut the tension and drama immensely.

Scriptwriting 101 is the answer.

Avenger
October 26th, 2009, 03:07 PM
One strange aspect of Light is that they didn't use the stones for the dying crew to say one last goodbye to their family (phone calls, letters, etc). Sure the Kino are fun for properity if you want to leave something behind to all the desert and lava planets out there. But what about using the stones to say one last goodbye to the family before dying? Strange that nobody even suggested it as their death was seemingly impeding.

It would have taken hours for everyone to get to use the stones to say their good byes. Given, that, if everyone can't use them, then no one should.


Furthermore, getting a phone call from someone claiming to be your wife/husband/son/daughter/brother/sister/etc in someone elses body tring to say good bye would have been a disaster

Replicator Todd
October 26th, 2009, 03:55 PM
Im glad the stones were not used in this episode, seeing them too often can ruin the idea of using them. Some people even think they have already been used too much!

ha'tak_
October 26th, 2009, 04:02 PM
were there is a episode called earth
in it all crew members can get there change to talk to there loved ones

Commander Zelix
October 26th, 2009, 04:06 PM
Im glad the stones were not used in this episode, seeing them too often can ruin the idea of using them. Some people even think they have already been used too much!
You, or us, not liking the stones doesn't have anything to do with it. For the Destiny crew the stones are a great opportunity to keep a link with earth, among other things, and they must love them. Obviously those quick goodbye messages could have been done mostly off screen.

Jper
October 26th, 2009, 04:33 PM
Well, I'll add my two cents to this thread by submitting part of my review here:

Eli had a flashback (sleeping in his room, with his mother coming in) with matching fall-back into reality (trying to sleep).

The reason I am mentioning this particular element of the episode is that I wanted to point how they had character development without using the Ancient Long Ranges Communication Stones. By the use of a simple, well-fitted, flashback they showed us why the show absolutely doesn’t need these stones, not until now (for character development). According to me, another factor that came into play, as to make this a good episode, is that they did not use the communication stones in this episode. They did not have the break, a drop, in the storyline by someone using the stones. I must point out that if the stones did not exist this would have been the perfect way to tell this story and there would have been nothing inconsistent about this episode.

However, now, considering that these stones are there, why did they not use them? If only it was to say goodbye to friends and family? They are making Kino-video messages, but they would not, could not, did not want to, relay messages back to Earth through the stones? Where were the stones? Although I want them gone, I do have to wonder? This was a serious lack of decent writing and consistency. Everyone on board of the ship should want to use the stones now, no? They know they are going to die. Isn’t this the moment where, as Young said to O’Neill, people would want to use the stones? Seriously, again, “What were TPTB thinking when they decided to use the stones in this series?” This, for me, has gone way too long without a proper explanation. The stones create a vast number of story- and plot-problems while giving the story very few benefits.

So we had the Eli-flashback, after which Eli came up with the idea to make the Kino-videos. Nobody thought or even mentioned the stones.

IcarusAbides
October 26th, 2009, 04:41 PM
We can't expect them to use the stones every episode, it would become very annoying, personally i don't think the stones bring a great deal to the overall plot development of the show, at least not so far. Maybe they will prove me wrong but i hope that they won't continually use the stones in each episode.

Jper
October 26th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Yeah I agree. They shouldn't use the stones in each episode. They shouldn't use them at all anymore. :D They don't really bring anything to the plot. I agree.

Commander Zelix
October 26th, 2009, 04:59 PM
We can't expect them to use the stones every episode, it would become very annoying,
Again the stones could have been used mostly off screen. Just one scene with crew members lining up to use the stones would have been enough and more realistic. Its a plothole. ;)

IcarusAbides
October 26th, 2009, 05:00 PM
Yeah I agree. They shouldn't use the stones in each episode. They shouldn't use them at all anymore. :D They don't really bring anything to the plot. I agree.
If only they could get dropped into a vast water tank in the next episode and never recovered but somehow i think not.

IcarusAbides
October 26th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Again the stones could have been used mostly off screen. Just one scene with crew members lining up to use the stones would have been enough and more realistic. Its a plothole. ;)
Of course they could but if it had then surely Young would have mentioned contacting command. My problem isn't them not using the stones in this episode, i don't want them to, i think they are a useless plot device and a bit of a cop out.

Mongoletsi
October 26th, 2009, 05:03 PM
How is this thread, and the comments from the same people, any different to the other thread all about this? Ksssssake!

IcarusAbides
October 26th, 2009, 05:05 PM
It's newer that's how.

Jper
October 26th, 2009, 05:17 PM
Again the stones could have been used mostly off screen. Just one scene with crew members lining up to use the stones would have been enough and more realistic. Its a plothole. ;)

Well said. :) Good example. They should for example have showed us something like that. They showed the Kino scenes. I liked the Kino scenes and all that. However it doesn't make sense that they would do that and not use the stones. Like for example Camille could have easily relayed her message to Sharon via the stones.


If only they could get dropped into a vast water tank in the next episode and never recovered but somehow i think not.

If only they could explode when Telford picked them up. No more Telford and no more stones. Yay! :)


How is this thread, and the comments from the same people, any different to the other thread all about this? Ksssssake!

Well for once this thread is perfectly legit. It is perfectly allowed and possible to have a thread for general discussion about the stones in the general SGU folder and one that specifically deals with one episode, like this one. I think there's no problem with this thread. Other threads on the other hand. People even succeed in making double threads in the Light folder, here. Where there's only one page. *sighs and shakes head* At one moment there were three threads with the same subject on the same page here. Yesterday that was.

Egle01
October 27th, 2009, 02:52 AM
Yeah I agree. They shouldn't use the stones in each episode. I'm hoping someone is going to break those damn stones at one point.

Jonzey
October 27th, 2009, 05:16 AM
My theory: We know in order to use the stones there has to be one person in close proximity to the little light boxes, so can we assume they also need to be close by in order to change back? Now what if someone swapped bodies ''to say goodbye'' but really just didn't want to die in a star so they did a runner in someone else's body. That would result in whoever did the swap dying horribly, without a chance to say goodbye to their loved ones, and one crazy guy in someone else's body back on earth. It would open up a whole big can of worms.

Saquist
October 27th, 2009, 05:48 AM
I would have been interesting if someone had tried to used the stones to escape while trapping someone there yes.

renboy
October 27th, 2009, 05:59 AM
I would have been interesting if someone had tried to used the stones to escape while trapping someone there yes.

Sounds interesting...
I'm still not sure about the consequences though - will you actually get 'trapped' in that other person's body, or will you both die if one dies?
I think they should explain just how powerful this device is.. since it seems to play quite a big role in the show.

Jper
October 27th, 2009, 09:24 AM
I'm hoping someone is going to break those damn stones at one point.

So do I.

Have some pumpkin pie, as I can't green you for the moment:
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My theory: We know in order to use the stones there has to be one person in close proximity to the little light boxes, so can we assume they also need to be close by in order to change back? Now what if someone swapped bodies ''to say goodbye'' but really just didn't want to die in a star so they did a runner in someone else's body. That would result in whoever did the swap dying horribly, without a chance to say goodbye to their loved ones, and one crazy guy in someone else's body back on earth. It would open up a whole big can of worms.

Good theory. All very interesting.
One proble though. They don't have to have to be in close proximity. You just need to take the stone with you and then it works. Also, if one persons de-initializes the stone, it's over, the switch is undone. Young did it with Telford. There's a whole thread about the stones in the general SGU folder. Makes a pretty interesting read if you skip the opinions, as there's also discussion about how it works.

However, IMHO, the only thing you did is illustrate my point that this should at least have been addressed in Light. Then at least I would have found it believable. See how four or five lines of dialogue would have brought an interesting conflict element to the show, people wanting to use the stones, but not being allowed, and how easy it would have been to address it, make things right and move on. However, there was absolutely nothing.

Inquisitor
October 27th, 2009, 10:30 AM
It's quite obvious what they would have said, so you could think of it as offscreen.

After Eli's flash back I would have enjoyed a moment between then in the present using the stones, but no, didn't get one.

Jper
October 27th, 2009, 01:24 PM
It's quite obvious what they would have said, so you could think of it as offscreen.

After Eli's flash back I would have enjoyed a moment between then in the present using the stones, but no, didn't get one.

I don't understand. What are you saying? What did we see off-screen? And what would you have wanted to see?

Captain Obvious
October 27th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Short answer?

because they don't want the stones to overtake the show.

Multiple long answers?

A- they most likely brought the stones with them on the shuttle and didn't have much time to waste before they went on the shuttle.

B- they didn't know if being that close to a star might effect the stones and they didn't want to injure anyone at the SGC.

C- Young didn't want to be "ordered" to save anyone in particular, and they instead wanted it to be "fair".

Inquisitor
October 27th, 2009, 11:46 PM
I don't understand. What are you saying? What did we see off-screen? And what would you have wanted to see?

I wanted to see Eli use the stones to say good bye to his mother, although now I think about it, it would ruin the fact they survived. :/

Wayston
October 28th, 2009, 05:33 AM
I feel the answer is bleeping obvious... :S

yeah let's gather the families around of all 100 people on the destiny and let them use the stones... then let's immediatly announce the existence of the stargate program to the world at large since the military has just thrown any notion of secrecy out of the window the day before anyway...

if anything it is inconsistent that Chloe and Young were allowed off base for something so meaningless to the stargate program as talking to their relatives (only explainable by the fact that they are high ups in the hierarchy and thus get special treatment), that is the real weak point in the story with the stones!

Commander Zelix
October 28th, 2009, 06:05 AM
I feel the answer is bleeping obvious... :S

yeah let's gather the families around of all 100 people on the destiny and let them use the stones... then let's immediatly announce the existence of the stargate program to the world at large since the military has just thrown any notion of secrecy out of the window the day before anyway...

Your sarcastic explanation doesn't work since Young and O'Neill already conceded they would use the stones soon for the people of the Destiny to say their last goodbyes (in Air 3):

Young: I just think we're going to
get to a point very soon, where everyone on board, should get a chance to say goodbye.
O'Neill: Understood.


And I think there's an episode in the future where they will do just that. But dont' take my word for it.


I think we can agree the moment in Light where everybody was facing a certain death was that moment.

Wayston
October 28th, 2009, 08:07 AM
I can imagine something like in SGA where they sent strictly censored videotapes through the stargate, but did not put the relatives in direct contact

the sappy huddely cuddely with a stranger's body would make better television than filming the crew using the telford body to write their goodbye letters, but it doesn't make sense militarily except towards people who are in the circle of trust of the stargate program

leiasky
October 28th, 2009, 08:45 AM
Young: I just think we're going to
get to a point very soon, where everyone on board, should get a chance to say goodbye.
O'Neill: Understood.

I think we can agree the moment in Light where everybody was facing a certain death was that moment.


Based on that conversation Young had with O'Neill, Light was the time for those messages to happen. We didn't see it. The whole thing lacks continuity because such a big deal was made out of people being able to contact their families when the 'end is near'. Light was a clear indication that the end was near. . .

Jper
October 28th, 2009, 08:51 AM
Based on that conversation Young had with O'Neill, Light was the time for those messages to happen. We didn't see it. The whole thing lacks continuity because such a big deal was made out of people being able to contact their families when the 'end is near'. Light was a clear indication that the end was near. . .

Exactly. Well said. Have some mental green.
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prion
October 29th, 2009, 01:39 PM
because it was in the script, alas.

they truly missed out on an opportunity for some great drama.

a character says, "I want to say goodbye to my children' and then decides, once on Earth, NOT to return. I mean would someone NOT think of that? Or perhaps I've watched too many crime shows ;)

but of course if you have 80 people wanting to say goodbye.... would have been neat to have had a scene where Young says 'no, it would be impossible to do and couldn't risk lives of those back on earth.'

wonder if being too close to a sun would cause interference and thus, no workability of the stones....