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Phenom
October 24th, 2009, 05:19 AM
This is not to bash either character and.....I bloody loved the ep!! Bloody great.

But....

Did I miss about 17 episodes of the build up between Chloe and Scott?? Last I saw she just touched his hand when he almost died and the next thing they instantly go to each other and its automatic bonking time when certain death is imminent.

Here I was barracking for Eli and then within the first minute of the next ep my money on the Eli train is gone! I don't mind Chloe and Scott getting together, but it just seemed a bit......whats the word? Rushed, forced, odd.

However my 28yo male hormones were very thankful for yet another Chloe nudity scene :D

Jack_Bauer
October 24th, 2009, 05:22 AM
I had NO IDEA what was going on there!

Honestly, it was like Opening Credits > Young saying their screwed > Scott getting screwed... Just like that.

Besides that fiasco (not the sex scene itself mind you), I actually enjoyed this episode! First time I've enjoyed SGU since the opening scene of Air!! :P

Phenom
October 24th, 2009, 05:24 AM
I had NO IDEA what was going on there!

Honestly, it was like Opening Credits > Young saying their screwed > Scott getting screwed... Just like that.

Besides that fiasco (not the sex scene itself mind you), I actually enjoyed this episode! First time I've enjoyed SGU since the opening scene of Air!! :P

It was kind of like a porno wasn't it.
Hello I am here to clean your pool,
Oh dang my pants fell off.

*Cue 70s music*

MattSilver 3k
October 24th, 2009, 05:25 AM
I don't know, really. Maybe it was "Oh, god, we might die, and we're kind of attracted to one another after two bonding moments in previous episodes, after one of us lost our father and the other got sunburnt..." but then again...

Someone compared it to two people knowing they were going to die, and maybe it was some kind of comfort thing. My hope is that their impulsiveness and deciding to screw now will come back and make things awkward if they decide to go for an actual relationship. Who knows? Except for the TPTB, but they probably think the 'out of nowhere' approach works...

That said, I would've been very surprised if no one had sex in this episode... because, come on, they're all human and probably about to die. We knew they weren't, but they didn't.

StarFighter
October 24th, 2009, 05:26 AM
The scene made no sense at all. Their deep relationship and love for each other came out of nowhere. That is just bad writing and I fear for the show if writing like this continues.

GateLadyM
October 24th, 2009, 05:27 AM
Chloe and Scott are ruining this show. I'm getting to know everyone else better, but these two just nauseate me.

DragonReader
October 24th, 2009, 05:28 AM
I don't know, really. Maybe it was "Oh, god, we might die, and we're kind of attracted to one another after two bonding moments in previous episodes, after one of us lost our father and the other got sunburnt..." but then again...

Someone compared it to two people knowing they were going to die, and maybe it was some kind of comfort thing. My hope is that their impulsiveness and deciding to screw now will come back and make things awkward if they decide to go for an actual relationship. Who knows? Except for the TPTB, but they probably think the 'out of nowhere' approach works...

That said, I would've been very surprised if no one had sex in this episode... because, come on, they're all human and probably about to die. We knew they weren't, but they didn't.

the awkward part would be she is late for her next monthly appointment.....

Phenom
October 24th, 2009, 05:31 AM
It was obvious that it was a 'we are going to die so lets go out with a bang' sort of thing....but it was still a bit odd.

Why couldn't she have hooked up with Eli. Notch one up for the underdog or something.

However putting on my sexist pig hat for a moment, I have to admire Scott's strike rate. 4 episodes (5 if you include the double) and he has shagged 2 on the ship. By seasons end he will probably have to move onto the blokes.

EternalAlteran
October 24th, 2009, 06:09 AM
It was probably impulsive, cause later on she's holding hands with and lying her head on Eli's shoulders.

SiroVai
October 24th, 2009, 06:47 AM
It's all to get more ratings. It doesnt have to make sense.

Stormtrooper
October 24th, 2009, 06:53 AM
TPTB are sending the message that casual sex is OK. This is really sad considering SGU is aimed at a younger demographic.

SiroVai
October 24th, 2009, 06:57 AM
TPTB are sending the message that casual sex is OK. This is really sad considering SGU is aimed at a younger demographic.

not to mention what protection they used? I dont think the airforce issues condoms? If she's on the pill it's been over a day so it would have worn off.

I bet she's preggers.

aretood2
October 24th, 2009, 07:00 AM
It was kind of like a porno wasn't it.
Hello I am here to clean your pool,
Oh dang my pants fell off.

*Cue 70s music*

for some strange reason that made me laugh!

Anywho, at least this scene was nothing but a kiss and a blurr.

Jack_Bauer
October 24th, 2009, 07:02 AM
TPTB are sending the message that casual sex is OK. This is really sad considering SGU is aimed at a younger demographic.

*When on a collision course with a Star...

Stormtrooper
October 24th, 2009, 07:15 AM
not to mention what protection they used? I dont think the airforce issues condoms? If she's on the pill it's been over a day so it would have worn off.

I bet she's preggers.

That is true. And for all we know, she may have contracted some STD. The same goes for Scott.

The Mighty 6 platoon
October 24th, 2009, 07:17 AM
we are going to die so lets go out with a bang

I think that pretty much describes their intentions if you know what I mean.;)

KEK
October 24th, 2009, 07:20 AM
TPTB are sending the message that casual sex is OK. This is really sad considering SGU is aimed at a younger demographic.

Casual sex is OK. Besides, there's no message being sent, I'd say it's a pretty accurate portrayal of how two young people may react given the situation they're in, and realism is what they're aiming for here. Also, this may be aimed at a younger audience, but the audience is still an adult one, this is by no means a lesson in morality and there's no intention for any of these characters to be role models, far from it.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 07:21 AM
It was clearly the we are going to die scenario but I could have done with a little more transtion and explanation of why they were having sex.

aretood2
October 24th, 2009, 07:30 AM
It was clearly the we are going to die scenario but I could have done with a little more transtion and explanation of why they were having sex.

Cause they were about to die...its common among tv for two lovers at first sight to do this if they feel that they wont have another chance. Grant it they could have saved it for a later ep though.

MediaSavant
October 24th, 2009, 07:32 AM
Where do you guys live?

I work in Manhattan. Thursday night is the biggest night for the bar scene. Why? Because that's how people meet the person they'll be "dating" on Saturday.

In the age group that these characters are in, this happens all the time. "17 episodes" to build a relationship? You mean a year? That would mean when a real life person goes off to college, they don't get into a sexual relationship until they are a sophmore. Yeah, right.


TPTB are sending the message that casual sex is OK. This is really sad considering SGU is aimed at a younger demographic.

It's aimed younger as in "under 50". Not "under 18". The characters are in the 20's. Not teenagers.

Stormtrooper
October 24th, 2009, 07:33 AM
It was clearly the we are going to die scenario but I could have done with a little more transtion and explanation of why they were having sex.

Every viewer knew they would survive for obvious reasons. So, while it may have been a "we are going to die" scenario for the characters, it surely wasn't for the viewers.

Womble
October 24th, 2009, 07:33 AM
*When on a collision course with a Star...
Earth... Steaks...

aretood2
October 24th, 2009, 07:34 AM
Every viewer knew they would survive for obvious reasons. So, while it may have been a "we are going to die" scenario for the characters, it surely wasn't for the viewers.

you sir have pointed out a major flaw that must be ignored or else.

FoolishPleasure
October 24th, 2009, 07:37 AM
It's aimed younger as in "under 50". Not "under 18". The characters are in the 20's. Not teenagers.

The demographic is 20 something males. That is the only reason TPTB wrote in a useless 20 something hawt young thing, and an oversexed 20 something male. I'm all for "good" sex but this scenario is downright BORING.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 07:42 AM
Cause they were about to die...its common among tv for two lovers at first sight to do this if they feel that they wont have another chance. Grant it they could have saved it for a later ep though.

I believe I already said. Its obviously because they are going to die which is why I am not complaining about the earlyness. It could have been explained better why it was these two people

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 07:44 AM
The demographic is 20 something males. That is the only reason TPTB wrote in a useless 20 something hawt young thing, and an oversexed 20 something male. I'm all for "good" sex but this scenario is downright BORING.

Acutaully I believe its the 20-34 demographic. And 20 something females are just as prone to this scene as the males

KEK
October 24th, 2009, 07:47 AM
Every viewer knew they would survive for obvious reasons. So, while it may have been a "we are going to die" scenario for the characters, it surely wasn't for the viewers.

So?

stldad
October 24th, 2009, 08:01 AM
Bingo.... no lead in brings it very close to just gratuitous. Don't think the episode would have suffered a bit if the scene had been cut.

Arative
October 24th, 2009, 08:15 AM
The scene made no sense at all. Their deep relationship and love for each other came out of nowhere. That is just bad writing and I fear for the show if writing like this continues.

What are you talking about deep relationship and love? That was no where near what was in the episode.

Their young, their going to have sex. That's all it was.

dahok
October 24th, 2009, 08:18 AM
This is not to bash either character and.....I bloody loved the ep!! Bloody great.

But....

Did I miss about 17 episodes of the build up between Chloe and Scott??D

Allow me to paraphrase their previous chemistry:

Chloe "I just lost my dad"
Scott "My parents died when I was...."
Chloe "Oh I'm so attached to you, I've never related to anyone so much in my life. Make love to me Randy!"

The heat was just emanating from my usually cool LCD screen.

missmobius
October 24th, 2009, 08:21 AM
It was kind of like a porno wasn't it.
Hello I am here to clean your pool,
Oh dang my pants fell off.

*Cue 70s music*

rotflmao

Inquisitor
October 24th, 2009, 08:21 AM
Chloe and Scott are ruining this show. I'm getting to know everyone else better, but these two just nauseate me.

I agree, but more with Scott than Chloe.

I don't know why, but his voice makes me want to hold up two fog horns to my ears.

missmobius
October 24th, 2009, 08:25 AM
It was obvious that it was a 'we are going to die so lets go out with a bang' sort of thing....but it was still a bit odd.

Why couldn't she have hooked up with Eli. Notch one up for the underdog or something.

However putting on my sexist pig hat for a moment, I have to admire Scott's strike rate. 4 episodes (5 if you include the double) and he has shagged 2 on the ship. By seasons end he will probably have to move onto the blokes.

ROTFLMAO, stop it, no don't :), I like your humour, the kind that SGU needs more of!

Kathrin
October 24th, 2009, 08:26 AM
The sex scene was at the beginning of the episode before it was clear who get a place in the shuttle. Scott even was quite sure that he and Chloe will get a secure place from Young. Only after the sex and when Chloe spoke about how she doubt that she will be chosen from Young, Scott got any doubts, too. Of course there was still a chance in the lottery.

I think if it was just sex, I wouldn't find it so unrealistic. But they look at each other like they are already deeply in love. They have just met three day or so ago and for one of those days Scott was without her on the desert world. And for most of the rest of the time, Scott was working and Chloe was feeling sorry for her dad and herself, met her mother on earth, hang out with Eli and take a shower. And nevertheless Chloe says that she never felt so close to another human than she feels to Scott. They probably only exchange a few sentences between each other for the whole time before the sex scene. They were practically strangers, so I don't believe the "we are feeling so close to each other" crap.

missmobius
October 24th, 2009, 08:27 AM
It was probably impulsive, cause later on she's holding hands with and lying her head on Eli's shoulders.

face it,,, she's just a slut LOL. Next thing she'll be in bed with Rush, she's in a leather dominatrix outfit and he's whimpering LOL.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 08:33 AM
face it,,, she's just a slut LOL. Next thing she'll be in bed with Rush, she's in a leather dominatrix outfit and he's whimpering LOL.

Doesn't the term slut mean she sleep around with many people. So far we have only seen Chloe sleep with one man. If anyone is the slut its Scott.

IcarusAbides
October 24th, 2009, 08:34 AM
The whole chloe - scott thing in that episode felt way too forced for me, i thought we would have to wait till half way through the series for them to cruch eli like that but apparently not.

FoolishPleasure
October 24th, 2009, 08:35 AM
face it,,, she's just a slut LOL. Next thing she'll be in bed with Rush, she's in a leather dominatrix outfit and he's whimpering LOL.

Ya know, its not a bad idea. If Chloe had been the Icarus Base "pleasure girl" to begin with, and brought her Dominatrix outfit and assorted whips with her, she just "might" be a tad interesting. ;) Scott on the other hand, is just a male ho with no redeaming qualities that I can see.

Alas, we get Chloe, "OMG, my daddy just DIED and (looks at Scott with tears), hold me, hold me, HOLD me cause I just might love you! Then we get, "OMG, its DARK in here! ELI! ELI! ELI! HELP ME, HELP ME!!! Hold my hand! Let me put my head on your shoulder!! You LOVE me now, right? GOOD, because now we are all gonna DIE so I'm gonna go to that other dude because he is CUTER than you and I'd rather have sex with HIM!!

Excuse me while I step out to throw up.

dosed150
October 24th, 2009, 08:40 AM
definetely an element of omg were gonna die, we kinda care about each other might as well

MacDevil
October 24th, 2009, 08:45 AM
Ha! After I saw then end of Air pt. 3, I said those two would be hooking up within the first 10 eps (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=10697647#post10697647). Should have made it 5. I feel so vindicated!

I'm done with this show. I gave it five episodes. It's garbage, and it dishonors the Stargate name. To all those out there who were yelling and screaming about the nudity in the SG-1 pilot, how do you defend this show with its constant soft-core porn?

Womble
October 24th, 2009, 08:53 AM
Their young, their going to have sex. That's all it was.
Uh, no. It wasn't all it was. Or did you miss the part where Chloe pretty much told Scott she was in love with him? ("I've felt closer to you than I ever have to anyone in my life, blah blah blah").

Seriously, what happened to character development, and to basic good taste for that matter?

missmobius
October 24th, 2009, 08:56 AM
Ha! After I saw then end of Air pt. 3, I said those two would be hooking up within the first 10 eps (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=10697647#post10697647). Should have made it 5. I feel so vindicated!

I'm done with this show. I gave it five episodes. It's garbage, and it dishonors the Stargate name. To all those out there who were yelling and screaming about the nudity in the SG-1 pilot, how do you defend this show with its constant soft-core porn?

Last night's episode was the one I liked most so far, all except the stupid gratuitous sex scene, just fast forward those parts, and it won't be so bad

Kevman7987
October 24th, 2009, 09:17 AM
So does this mean that next time they're all about to die that Eli gets some Lt. James Action? Does the liklihood of that increase because they don't have feelings for each other? That's how things seem to be working on this show.

Franklyn Blaze
October 24th, 2009, 09:18 AM
They might as well paint Chloe green. Next week on Enterpri.. err SGU

Arative
October 24th, 2009, 09:19 AM
Ha! After I saw then end of Air pt. 3, I said those two would be hooking up within the first 10 eps (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=10697647#post10697647). Should have made it 5. I feel so vindicated!

I'm done with this show. I gave it five episodes. It's garbage, and it dishonors the Stargate name. To all those out there who were yelling and screaming about the nudity in the SG-1 pilot, how do you defend this show with its constant soft-core porn?

Have you ever seen soft-core porn? Try watching Cinemax after dark, that's soft-core porn.

Its pretty easy to defend when you make wild baseless assumptions.

Arative
October 24th, 2009, 09:21 AM
Uh, no. It wasn't all it was. Or did you miss the part where Chloe pretty much told Scott she was in love with him? ("I've felt closer to you than I ever have to anyone in my life, blah blah blah").

Seriously, what happened to character development, and to basic good taste for that matter?

I didn't miss that part, I just didn't read too much into that OMG she's in love with him. They've gotten close, they slept together. I don't see them in a relationship or in love yet.

Womble
October 24th, 2009, 09:34 AM
I didn't miss that part, I just didn't read too much into that OMG she's in love with him. They've gotten close, they slept together. I don't see them in a relationship or in love yet.
She said she felt closer to him than to anyone else in her entire life. Either the girl really doesn't get out much (which is unlikely given her looks and social status), or love is in the air.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 09:36 AM
She said she felt closer to him than to anyone else in her entire life. Either the girl really doesn't get out much (which is unlikely given her looks and social status), or love is in the air.

I won't go into details but future spoilers heavily point to the former then the later.

Arative
October 24th, 2009, 09:38 AM
She said she felt closer to him than to anyone else in her entire life. Either the girl really doesn't get out much (which is unlikely given her looks and social status), or love is in the air.

We don't know really what her life was like. She's 23, she went to Harvard, she works for her dad. Maybe she didn't have much of a social life.

I just didn't read that scene as her being in love with him. Maybe she feels a closeness because Scott's parents died and her father died and that's the closeness she spoke of. I just don't see it as being in love.

Alder
October 24th, 2009, 09:45 AM
I believe I already said. Its obviously because they are going to die which is why I am not complaining about the earlyness. It could have been explained better why it was these two people
That bit there I particularly agree with. You know when you miss a few episodes of a show, and return to find two characters broken up/not speaking/in bed/whatever, and think "Woah! When did that happen?" I feel a wee bit like that...as if some stuff ended up on the cutting room floor that was actually needed.

Coronach
October 24th, 2009, 09:49 AM
We don't know really what her life was like. She's 23, she went to Harvard, she works for her dad. Maybe she didn't have much of a social life.

And even if she did, that still doesn't mean she's ever felt truly close to someone else in a romantic way. In fact, I'm quite looking forward to

the episode "Earth", for example. I know a bit about this one and it seems that we'll learn quite a bit more about Chloe in this one.


I just didn't read that scene as her being in love with him. Maybe she feels a closeness because Scott's parents died and her father died and that's the closeness she spoke of. I just don't see it as being in love.

Neither do I. I see it as two people who bonded due to shared experience of loss (i.e. Chloe lost her father only 2(?) days ago.), and given the extreme situation they latched onto one another for comfort.

For me, how TPTB handle it now will be crucial. Now that the immediate threat of death is gone, how will they view their current situation? I'm hoping it's not ignored, and I'm really hoping that TPTB can creatively get us back to a situation where there's actually a relationship to develop.

As it stands, however, I find it very difficult to accept that they have any true feelings for each other quite yet...even given their extreme circumstances.

Still, I can't in all fairness jump the gun and say "OMG soooo unrealistic!!11one", because it's just not. In a real "impending death" situation, I'd venture to guess a decent chunk of people would do exactly the same thing. However, it either of them uses the "L" word anytime soon (and actually means it), then I just might lose all hope for TPTB :cool:

The sadistic side of me would love to see them torn apart (as a couple) for a while. I want to see them develop as individuals, and a relationship can come later and with actual build-up :S

prion
October 24th, 2009, 09:52 AM
It really was out of nowhere... but....

you can assume that people do have sex when the world seems to end, or it's dark (hence, tons of babies being born 9 months after a big blackout).

To me, this looked more like just sex for the sake of sex. No love.

However, I would like three months down the road for Chloe to go "I'm pregnant."

Come on, TPTB, you said you were going for realism, darker, edgier. If the world is ending, nobody thinks about condoms or birth control...strawberry cheesecake, sure, but not the former.

someone said
Have you ever seen soft-core porn? Try watching Cinemax after dark, that's soft-core porn.

that's why it's nicknamed Skin-e-max ;)

And oh, yeah, I felt sorry for Eli. He knows Chloe's screwing around with Scott, yet she's using him as the big brother 'let me lean on you since the guy I just had sex with has left me' ;) And as someone pointed out, how will the writers deal with this? Or will we just get a love trianagle of Scott-Chloe-Eli...?

prion
October 24th, 2009, 09:56 AM
The sadistic side of me would love to see them torn apart (as a couple) for a while. I want to see them develop as individuals, and a relationship can come later and with actual build-up :S

God forbid they become the intergalactic "Speidi" couple ;)

aream2000
October 24th, 2009, 09:57 AM
im not really sure there was a relationship there, i think scott likes chloe but i think for chloe it was a were going to die moment, then again im still pulling for chloe and eli

Coronach
October 24th, 2009, 09:58 AM
God forbid they become the intergalactic "Speidi" couple ;)

I'm not familiar enough with those two to understand the reference. Other than that they are two of the most unpleasant people I can imagine ever meeting :(

hedwig
October 24th, 2009, 09:59 AM
The scene made no sense at all. Their deep relationship and love for each other came out of nowhere. That is just bad writing and I fear for the show if writing like this continues.

????? I saw no deep relationship or love anywhere there ... just two people scurrying off to have sex ...

syfygal47
October 24th, 2009, 10:04 AM
First Scott was with Lieutenant James, and now he hooks up with Chloe, proving he is two timing. And Chloe lets Eli see her naked, and then has sex with Scott, and then lays her head on Eli's shoulder, and breaks his heart, proving she is two timing also. I think both Chloe and Scott are unlikeable because of this. After this last episode, I am still having problems liking any of the characters. I think that for any series to succeed, it must have likeable. sympathetic characters, and so far, I am not seeing any.

Myles
October 24th, 2009, 10:12 AM
I saw two people who obviously have some feelings for each other and thought they would never get another chance to express them. Was Chloe a little over the top with 'I haven't been this close to somebody' stuff, sure. But she just had her father die, thinks she's about to die too, and just had sex with a guy she does have some feelings for. I don't think it's unreasonable for her to feel exceptionally close to Scott at that point.

Sp!der
October 24th, 2009, 10:35 AM
im actually sorry for Eli...

renboy
October 24th, 2009, 10:44 AM
Quoted from the movie Speed:
"You know, relationships that start under intense circumstances, they never last..."

Neither I think this will.

Shpinxinator
October 24th, 2009, 11:40 AM
This makes an odd sense to me....She needs to fill a void in her life and he needs to feel like he is protecting someone...it's reminds me of the Shannon/Siad relatiohsip in Lost

Nemises
October 24th, 2009, 11:57 AM
Chloe is one character i cant stand.

Spimman
October 24th, 2009, 12:21 PM
*Jumping In*

I agree the scene was awkwardly done. Even just a little more build up the the scene would have been better, like showing how scared they were and how they turned to each other then...:samanime51:...you know?

Slight topic shift, what do you think will happen when James finds out??? :teyla15:

Sonicbluemustang
October 24th, 2009, 12:30 PM
To be honest it doesnt make sense unless there was already a relationship that they are planning on revealing later. :)

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 12:37 PM
Slight topic shift, what do you think will happen when James finds out??? :teyla15:

Chloe and James will follow Teal'c's advice and do battle in a ring of jello

Phenom
October 24th, 2009, 01:00 PM
Chloe and James will follow Teal'c's advice and do battle in a ring of jello

I wonder what the Ancient version of girls jelly wrestling is?? Probably some sort of slimy steam infused pod with one way windows....

DCK
October 24th, 2009, 01:13 PM
TPTB are sending the message that casual sex is OK. This is really sad considering SGU is aimed at a younger demographic.

...and this comes from someone who watches Stargate. A show that's been going on for over 10 years...and God knows how many murders and killings per episode! So casual sex is NOT ok, but slavery and killings are. Now that's comedy.

The Chloe-Scott deal was supposed to be out of the blue. You gave them one scene in a previous episode which set the scene for *something*, but then nothing happens and you get the impression she's leading towards Eli and then BOOM, they're togheter and Eli is "dumped".

The scene was obviously being done to soak up some of that shock and disappointment of Eli. Not a bad idea at all.

<snip>

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 01:23 PM
I wonder what the Ancient version of girls jelly wrestling is?? Probably some sort of slimy steam infused pod with one way windows....
If they input Chloe and James in the computer. Maybe they ship will bring them to the "mud planet". :)

Joben
October 24th, 2009, 01:26 PM
It's funny how the main points of Lt. Bland's character development is getting a girl pregnant at 16, having a quickie in a storeroom with the other Lt. and now getting it on with the Senator's daughter 2 days after he carks it. If you think about it his frozen butt was probably still in the next room with the broken shuttle.

I hope they do something decent with his character, I swear I can't remember one memorable moment or line of dialogue from him, and he's not exactly coming across as a notable leader at all. You could probably have a random background airman replace him and not be able to tell the difference.

Ekras
October 24th, 2009, 01:58 PM
The sex scene was at the beginning of the episode before it was clear who get a place in the shuttle. Scott even was quite sure that he and Chloe will get a secure place from Young. Only after the sex and when Chloe spoke about how she doubt that she will be chosen from Young, Scott got any doubts, too. Of course there was still a chance in the lottery.

I think if it was just sex, I wouldn't find it so unrealistic. But they look at each other like they are already deeply in love. They have just met three day or so ago and for one of those days Scott was without her on the desert world. And for most of the rest of the time, Scott was working and Chloe was feeling sorry for her dad and herself, met her mother on earth, hang out with Eli and take a shower. And nevertheless Chloe says that she never felt so close to another human than she feels to Scott. They probably only exchange a few sentences between each other for the whole time before the sex scene. They were practically strangers, so I don't believe the "we are feeling so close to each other" crap.

While I agree with (almost) everyone that the scene shouldn't have been there, it actually was pretty realistic, albeit in a very wrong way.

What Scott did to her was absolutely unconscionable. The entire scene felt more like a rape (I hope that word is ok - if not mods feel free to edit it) scene than a sex scene. Chloe just lost her father the day before, was an emotional wreck, and he came in and took advantage of her in the worst possible way. She was in a state of mind that made her easy to manipulate, and not making clear-headed decisions. Had they just had a "fling" in the moment because they were going to die, that would have been OK. Instead he lied to her, let her think he cared about her, because there would likely be no long-term repercussions since she would likely be dead soon.

Scott obviously was lying to her about him being sure that she would get on the ship as well. His next line was likely supposed to be something such as "I'll make sure you get on" or some other such lie, if she didn't say she didn't want to be there.

What little respect I had for Scott up till now just went totally out the window. I really hope the character gets killed off before the end of the season.

StarFighter
October 24th, 2009, 02:03 PM
The problem is not that they had sex because they thought they were going to die.

The problem IS that they sudden had a deep relationship and serious love for each other. As if they had been dating for years. It made no sense.

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 02:08 PM
There's no way those 2 people would have sex in real life in similar situation. Scott and James scene made more sense in the realism department.

Sifr
October 24th, 2009, 02:20 PM
The problem is not that they had sex because they thought they were going to die.

The problem IS that they sudden had a deep relationship and serious love for each other. As if they had been dating for years. It made no sense.

Hit the nail on the head.

Look at Scott and how fast he zips his trousers back on (in both situations)! He's seriously not seeing a deep relationship, he's definitely giving a "whoa... back off" when Chloe starts going all mushy...

StarFighter
October 24th, 2009, 02:22 PM
There's no way those 2 people would have sex in real life in similar situation. Scott and James scene made more sense in the realism department.

I was thinking the same thing. If I knew I was about to die I wouldn't be horny. I'd be a nervous wreck.

Lajanke
October 24th, 2009, 05:42 PM
I don’t like the way things happened between these two. They spent the time in the first four eps setting up the possibility of a relationship and then just had them get together way too quick.

I don’t think it was just because they thought they were going to die. They had their bonding moments and we don’t know how long they spent together at the end of Air. It’s possible they spent hours talking, more than some people manage after knowing each other for longer. It does seem that they are neglecting to show how things are developing within the episodes. From this kino webisode http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1714/index.html it seems Scott thinks of him and Chloe as having a relationship of some sorts but why not put this in the actual episodes.

And it looks as if the writers have completely forgotten about the scene in Air. Or maybe they just expect us to forget about Scott and James and not ask questions. I just hope that if they’re going to spend more time on this storyline in the season it improves.

Avenger
October 24th, 2009, 06:17 PM
The scene made no sense at all. Their deep relationship and love for each other came out of nowhere. That is just bad writing and I fear for the show if writing like this continues.

Wow. You think that was a deep relationship and love? It was nothing of the sorts. It was a "we're in a bad spot, we're going to die, so we'll seek comfort with each other" relationship.

And yes, people can connect in that way in dire circumstances.

I also wonder if some people here actually have an understanding of what realistic is as far as sex goes. Or rather if people understand that there is more than one way to look at and approach sex.

Col.Foley
October 24th, 2009, 06:33 PM
I hardly think that it was out of nowhere. They were growing close in the first two episodes of the series, and in the third one we saw a lot of Eli and Chloe bonding as friends, as we did with Scott and Chloe.

It is quite obvious that they have an attraction to eachother, and since they thought they were about to die, they decided to rush it, where it goes from here is anyones guess. And I am sure they would have given it more time (speculation) but they were about to die

TonyB1972
October 24th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Some people will defend anything, it was poorly done...Didn't make sense.

He would of got back with his first choice, the groundwork was already layed on that....Instead he ends up with someone out of the blue, and they have a deep love, like david copperfield made it appear out of thin air...

Me and my wife were like wth! Doomsday scenario is, hey the world gonna end, who cares if we have regrets!....not I feel closer to you than I have anyone, ever and I love you...


People complain about the lack of reality in the other series and say this show is more realistic, but its like we change one persons bad reality for another bad reality. McKay fixes things to easy/quick, to unrealistic love drama.

I am gonna give it the entire first season, no matter what happens, well unless something very bad happens to turn me off. I hope it becomes 'better' ('' for my version of better, I know some love it, some hate it....im trying...its all I can do).

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Anybody else think he may have got Chloe pregnant like he did to his 16yo girlfriend? It would explain why they made this strange backstory for him.

ARealArchaeologist
October 24th, 2009, 08:20 PM
The problem is not that they had sex because they thought they were going to die.

The problem IS that they sudden had a deep relationship and serious love for each other. As if they had been dating for years. It made no sense.

I totally agree. I was a little thrown off by them jumping in bed, and in no way am I a prude (or judge anyone who doesn't like seeing sex in the show). It just felt rushed to move the story line along and way too tender and emotional for what would really happen. I can totally see people getting together in a situation like this, but it would be "survivor sex", and not some form of "love".

TheHomegaMan
October 24th, 2009, 08:27 PM
I was thinking the same thing. If I knew I was about to die I wouldn't be horny. I'd be a nervous wreck.

Which means everyone else will be? You can handle people praying, playing cards, walking around, meditating in the buff, but you draw the line at two people who may never see each other again having sex?:rolleyes:

Pharaoh Atem
October 24th, 2009, 08:27 PM
but didn't chloe and scott see each other on icaus base??/

MattSilver 3k
October 24th, 2009, 08:28 PM
Ugh, someone chemically castrate Scott, else by the end of the season all the women will be part of his harem.

And Chloe is just a sl**, no two ways about it. She needs attention, and what better way to get it than sex. I have to commend the writers though, because it does reflect her in a more realistic way (there are plenty of girls out there like Chloe), it may have been morally crushing to the viewer regards to Eli, but that's exactly what life is like.

I think your definition of slut needs refinement. When Chloe 'hooks up' with another ten guys in the next few episodes, then the slut brigade can come-a-running.

majorsal
October 24th, 2009, 08:38 PM
This is not to bash either character and.....I bloody loved the ep!! Bloody great.

But....

Did I miss about 17 episodes of the build up between Chloe and Scott?? Last I saw she just touched his hand when he almost died and the next thing they instantly go to each other and its automatic bonking time when certain death is imminent.

Here I was barracking for Eli and then within the first minute of the next ep my money on the Eli train is gone! I don't mind Chloe and Scott getting together, but it just seemed a bit......whats the word? Rushed, forced, odd.

However my 28yo male hormones were very thankful for yet another Chloe nudity scene :D

i like scenarios like this - ppl acting on feelings, which i wanted with s/j on sg1 - but i just can NOT stand the chloe character or actress. so like the idea, but hate who it was with. :p

and i'm sorry, jelgate, but the more i see and hear this character, the more i can't stand her. airlock, come sucketh her out of ship! :p

Icarus
October 24th, 2009, 08:42 PM
I think your definition of slut needs refinement. When Chloe 'hooks up' with another ten guys in the next few episodes, then the slut brigade can come-a-running.

Slut as in the constant need for male attention, man hopping when she sees fit.

MattSilver 3k
October 24th, 2009, 08:47 PM
Slut as in the constant need for male attention, man hopping when she sees fit.

Slut is better defined as a promiscuous woman, while an attention seeker is just an attention seeker. Or, better yet, the ones calling her a slut and an attention seeker for male attention can mould them together and redefine it as a "Chloe."

Eternal Density
October 24th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I think Chloe's "I probably feel..." is important. She's not entirely certain of what she's feeling. It'll be interesting (to me) what will happen now that they've been through a situation where they were separated and Chloe was expected to be dead along with everyone else left on the Destiny.
Plus we see in a Kinosode that TJ, Greer, and Eli are/become aware of Scott having "two girlfriends". I wonder how long that will take before the young ladies in question - and Young - hear about this.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 08:49 PM
I think Chloe's "I probably feel..." is important. She's not entirely certain of what she's feeling. It'll be interesting (to me) what will happen now that they've been through a situation where they were separated and Chloe was expected to be dead along with everyone else left on the Destiny.
Plus we see in a Kinosode that TJ, Greer, and Eli are/become aware of Scott having "two girlfriends". I wonder how long that will take before the young ladies in question - and Young - hear about this.

The episode Justice where the women of the Destiny get their revenge on Scott:P

MattSilver 3k
October 24th, 2009, 08:55 PM
Plus we see in a Kinosode that TJ, Greer, and Eli are/become aware of Scott having "two girlfriends". I wonder how long that will take before the young ladies in question - and Young - hear about this.

I can see it now:

Scott: You wanted to see me, sir?
Young: Lt, we have a problem... It's about your libido.
Scott: Sorry, sir?
Young: We can't have you walking around the ship and doing the sideways squaredance at any given opportunity! It's bad for morale, especially since the rest of us aren't getting any!

:rolleyes:

Pharaoh Atem
October 24th, 2009, 09:00 PM
I can see it now:

Scott: You wanted to see me, sir?
Young: Lt, we have a problem... It's about your libido.
Scott: Sorry, sir?
Young: We can't have you walking around the ship and doing the sideways squaredance at any given opportunity! It's bad for morale, especially since the rest of us aren't getting any!

:rolleyes:
:lol: mental green

Lost
October 24th, 2009, 09:07 PM
I guess we all like space opera drama better than we thought ehh?

Replicator Todd
October 24th, 2009, 09:09 PM
Their relationship does seem very much out of nowhere. But things could of been happening behind the scenes.

GateroomGuard
October 24th, 2009, 09:20 PM
I really don't think Scott/Chole is that complicated.

1. Scott and James have a relationship going on. Now they seem to have an amiable relationship with each other. When they first got to the Destiny Scott wanted to keep her with him while they were exploring, thus showing he was concerned for her safety, however James did not seem particulary distraught when She and her team came back in Air Part 3 having failed to locate Scott. So based on the evidence we can probably say that, 1. they have sex 2. they are friends, 3. there probably isn't any deep love between them. Of course I could be wrong, thats just what I've gotten so far.

2. Now Chloe clearly has an infatuation with Scott with the holding hands and having sex. Why is she attracted to him rather than Eli? Its not that hard for her after losing her father to gain an attraction to a man who could fill that role of protector/emotional support. Scott after all comforted her after her father died and saved the Destiny by finding that sand. Eli however has not had any deep moments with her. All Eli has are a few jokes, any substantial emotional moments were with Scott. Now Eli of course has been trying to get with Chloe and Chloe either knows or doesn't know his intentions. If she does then she is most probably trying to keep him as a friend and still keep a 'relationship' with Scott. If she doesn't know then the fault is Eli's for not being clearer.

3. Now when they actually decide to sleep together there are multiple reasons for why the would. 1. Scott probably wants to keep having sex, but continuing a relationship with James carries risk of disciplinary action, Chloe does not. 2. Chole has a deep infatuation with him and she believes she is going to die. Now knowing that you only have a few hours to live I highly doubt many humans would pass up on an oppurtunity to have sex with their crush in their last moments. I can't stress enough what having your father sacrifice himself for you only so you can die a day later can do to your psyche. If she can get a few moments of happiness she's going to get them if only to try to forget the pain of knowing that her father died for nothing.

4. According to the kinosodes Scott sees Chole as his girlfriend. Now he probably thinks that its for the best that he and James are through. He probably wanted a safer relationship and he probably didn't think there was any deep attachement other than sex. Whether James thinks the same is yet to be seen.

I don't think what Scott or Chole did was out of character, if anything is was in character.

UniverseSizePlotHole
October 24th, 2009, 09:25 PM
Speculation of Chloe's Heirachy of Relationship Needs :lol:

Suffice to say this is misguided and dubious fanwankagehttp://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2627/maslowshierarchyofneeds.gif

Eternal Density
October 24th, 2009, 09:26 PM
Of course if they'd shown more lead-up on screen, people would be complaining just as much or even more.
At least Elyse admits on Twitter:
But it does come out of nowhere in comparison to how we are used to seeing relationships unfold on TV. I kinda like that...http://twitter.com/AtleastLevesque/status/5118440817

Col.Foley
October 24th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Of course if they'd shown more lead-up on screen, people would be complaining just as much or even more.
At least Elyse admits on Twitter: http://twitter.com/AtleastLevesque/status/5118440817
she has obviously never seen torchwood or Doctor Who:P

hedwig
October 24th, 2009, 09:32 PM
The problem is not that they had sex because they thought they were going to die.

The problem IS that they sudden had a deep relationship and serious love for each other. As if they had been dating for years. It made no sense.

Friends ... maybe. Deep relationship and serious love for each other ... no way! Not in just a couple of days of being stranded on an alien spaceship millions of light years from earth. There was nothing deep or loving about any of that. (IMO)

majorsal
October 24th, 2009, 09:34 PM
Of course if they'd shown more lead-up on screen, people would be complaining just as much or even more.
At least Elyse admits on Twitter: http://twitter.com/AtleastLevesque/status/5118440817

omg... that not only makes it seem like it's going to go on (there's goes scott/james), but that she's going to continue to be on the show. :mckay:

well, i'm not all that attached to it, so it won't be that hard to leave it. :p

Col.Foley
October 24th, 2009, 09:35 PM
omg... that not only makes it seem like it's going to go on (there's goes scott/james), but that she's going to continue to be on the show. :mckay:

well, i'm not all that attached to it, so it won't be that hard to leave it. :p
you would let one character ruin a show for you?:P

MattSilver 3k
October 24th, 2009, 09:37 PM
you would let one character ruin a show for you?:P

Keller. Atlantis. 2/3 of the fandom.

hedwig
October 24th, 2009, 09:37 PM
but didn't chloe and scott see each other on icaus base??/

Scott was the military guide/attendant/whatever assigned to watch over the Senator, Chloe and Eli ... so, yes, they saw each other on Icarus Base. But that's about all there was before the base was attacked.

Col.Foley
October 24th, 2009, 09:44 PM
Keller. Atlantis. 2/3 of the fandom.
I wasn't talking to you:P
And good, you answered my question, one character did not ruin a show for you:)

majorsal
October 24th, 2009, 09:47 PM
you would let one character ruin a show for you?:P

when she's in it so much, it's hard... :S :p

but how about concentrating on the other women in the cast!? oh wait, i forgot we have to *explore* the lesbian one... :rolleyes:

k, that leaves tj, the medic. oh wait, she's supposedly had an affair with young! hmm, i wonder if any woman on this show is there for just herself, not to be *explored by sex*? :mckay:

wait, there's james!

wait, she's *explored* by sexing it up with scott!

i think i'll go play in another less ticking off for me thread. :p

Col.Foley
October 24th, 2009, 09:54 PM
when she's in it so much, it's hard... :S :p

but how about concentrating on the other women in the cast!? oh wait, i forgot we have to *explore* the lesbian one... :rolleyes:

k, that leaves tj, the medic. oh wait, she's supposedly had an affair with young! hmm, i wonder if any woman on this show is there for just herself, not to be *explored by sex*? :mckay:

wait, there's james!

wait, she's *explored* by sexing it up with scott!

i think i'll go play in another less ticking off for me thread. :p
Chloe is a what? :weiranime33:
Camille.

sjleader
October 24th, 2009, 09:56 PM
Lt James "I can and will kick your ass..."

Scott was banging her 2 days ago in the pantry at Icarus base...How could he possibly have had time to form a deep bond with chloe? It just makes no sense. If he just wanted to get it on, why not hit it with James again...

mrshorty
October 24th, 2009, 09:58 PM
quote from certain famous line in SG-1:


"Dude, that hot chick was so totally a gou'ald!'

Avenger
October 24th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Lt James "I can and will kick your ass..."

Scott was banging her 2 days ago in the pantry at Icarus base...How could he possibly have had time to form a deep bond with chloe? It just makes no sense. If he just wanted to get it on, why not hit it with James again...

You know, taking what Chloe said so literally could be part of the problem. Perhaps she didn't mean it. More likely, she was subconsciously influenced by the situation. Perhaps she grew up dating the people she was expected to and not the people she wanted to due to her status as a politician's daughter. There are plausible explanations no one wants to even consider or think about because doing so would open up possibilities that might refute their poorly thought out rants. Furthermore, "It's never happened to me so it's not possible" is a lame attempt to justify one's opinion as well.

Col.Foley
October 24th, 2009, 10:42 PM
Lt James "I can and will kick your ass..."

Scott was banging her 2 days ago in the pantry at Icarus base...How could he possibly have had time to form a deep bond with chloe? It just makes no sense. If he just wanted to get it on, why not hit it with James again...maybe not a deep bond, but it is clear and quite obvious to me that they formed some kind of attraction, attachment, and even a bond with one another. And that they were willing to develop it, but then this happened, the whole sun thing, and they decide to go there. No matter what it was their descision to do it, right then, and there.
Besides all of us are different from one another, maybe they really did feel a bond, a connection, a spark.


You know, taking what Chloe said so literally could be part of the problem. Perhaps she didn't mean it. More likely, she was subconsciously influenced by the situation. Perhaps she grew up dating the people she was expected to and not the people she wanted to due to her status as a politician's daughter. There are plausible explanations no one wants to even consider or think about because doing so would open up possibilities that might refute their poorly thought out rants. Furthermore, "It's never happened to me so it's not possible" is a lame attempt to justify one's opinion as well.
:indeed:
Though being a politicians daughter means that you are always on the fly, always on the go, away from everything and leading a very hectic life. Plus people will stay away from you:
A. Because they are intimidated by you
B. You are of the opposite party/ ideology...even percieved
C. you are just a politician's daughter and theyare the scume of the Earth...so some people believe.
As well as what you bring up. I doubt she has a lot of time to develop real and meaningful realationships with people, and it is obvious that she and Scott have sort of clicked...at least to this point.

Avenger
October 24th, 2009, 10:51 PM
More good points.

Alarria
October 25th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Chloe and Scott are ruining this show. I'm getting to know everyone else better, but these two just nauseate me.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Chloe is just a completely worthless character in my opinion, and Scott is the Kirk/Riker of the show banging all of the female actors. Poor writing and completely unnecessary.

Diogenes5
October 25th, 2009, 12:52 AM
I've been a long-time fan of stargate but this show and specifically this relationship just pisses me off. I don't mind that they got together but there is absolutely no chemistry between the characters or setup. This is the same crap that made BSG so hard for me to watch and IMO destroyed its ratings. Pointless sex with no development.

The reason I hate it so much was because romantic relationships were so better done in previous series. Carter-O'Neill had a nice tension and setup throughout the series (even though never consummated). Rodney and Dr. Keller.

From nothing to "I love you" in 2 days is insanely unrealistic especially for characters that have little in common like scott and chloe.

As for the whole realism thing, it is not realistic for people to hook up that quick. I don't know what people have to say about my generation, the millenials. Millenials are pretty vapid and lazy but even they are not that promiscuous. People have sex after a few dates, yes, maybe even quicker with good chemistry, but hooking up that quickly is not love or anything approaching love and even millenials know this. That whole scene and the intimacy shown was unrealistic. If they hooked up, it would have been more realistic to have them awkwardly avoid each other afterwards rather than profess love.

At any rate, this was clearly a cheap ratings ploy and I care even less about this show and chloe and scott's character because of it.

Hopefully the show's writing improves to have actual development instead of this vapid, lets sex things up for ratings element. In the long run you will bleed off long-term fans just like shows with gratuitious sex like BSG did.

MattSilver 3k
October 25th, 2009, 02:58 AM
From nothing to "I love you" in 2 days is insanely unrealistic especially for characters that have little in common like scott and chloe.

As for the whole realism thing, it is not realistic for people to hook up that quick. I don't know what people have to say about my generation, the millenials.


I don't remember any "I wuv you's" being exchanged. My audio must've cut out during that scene.

It is realistic for people to hook up that quick if they've had a couple of moments in the last few days (Bonding moments that wouldn't have ever happened in a normal situation) and think they're going to die or something along the lines. Why shouldn't they be 'hooking up'?

Azureus
October 25th, 2009, 03:48 AM
For anyone who can't see why Scott and Chloe happened, you need to realise that the past couple of episodes for the most part, have shown Eli and Chloe together, you all just automatically assumed that was them getting closer, the reason for that was to set you up and then knock you down in this episode, as well as provide some comic relief in those previous episodes. TV is meant to inspire emotion, create feelings in you, good AND bad, your supposed to enjoy the ride, the ups and downs just like in life, as thats whats being depicted, life. No-one is perfect. They are the wrong people for the situation they are in, this has been said on more than one occassion, deal with it. I don't like every character but I just concentrate on the ones I like instead of moaning about the ones I don't.

So if you want to stop watching the show, you do that, thats one less person moaning about every little detail. Especially the ones complaining about certain characters.

Diogenes5
October 25th, 2009, 07:23 AM
It is realistic for people to hook up that quick if they've had a couple of moments in the last few days (Bonding moments that wouldn't have ever happened in a normal situation) and think they're going to die or something along the lines. Why shouldn't they be 'hooking up'?

My point is it would only be sex and not love or actual closeness as Chloe seems to indicate.


For anyone who can't see why Scott and Chloe happened, you need to realise that the past couple of episodes for the most part, have shown Eli and Chloe together, you all just automatically assumed that was them getting closer, the reason for that was to set you up and then knock you down in this episode, as well as provide some comic relief in those previous episodes.

I don't think the plot was indicating they would get together. People just assume they will because he is the male lead and she is the female lead.


TV is meant to inspire emotion, create feelings in you, good AND bad, your supposed to enjoy the ride, the ups and downs just like in life, as thats whats being depicted, life.

The problem with their relationship is that it creates nothing for the audience because there was actually no setup or development of their relationship. It makes you feel bad not through sympathy or involvement in the character but from an, "Ugh, this is just bad character development that came out of nowhere" towards the writers of the show. Maybe they are missing scenes or whatever, but their relationship was simply badly written.


So if you want to stop watching the show, you do that, thats one less person moaning about every little detail. Especially the ones complaining about certain characters.


I'll complain if I want to, you can't shut me up. I actually enjoyed the show its first 4 episodes and I really like most of the character's except Eli who is a sterotype for the characters to try and be the everyman for the audience to relate to.

This route is not conducive to the show's survival. I could care less that they hook up and I don't find scott or chloe's character to be bad at all with lots of room to grow but cheap deus ex machina's, random sex out of nowhere, and poor development kills shows. Despite what the shrinking fanbase of BSG thought, that is IMO why Battlestar Galactica's ratings started collapsing.

I also find it hilarious that for a show who is clearly trying to appeal to gamers and dorks through Eli's character, they put Eli in a position where he has to see the girl he has a crush on for for a hunky meathead. I'm sure this may be some setup where Eli ends up with her in the end, but this plot device is just so cliched and overused that they would be better off developing the characters in more interesting ways.

If Chloe's only existence on the show is to be a love interest then I hope she gets killed off quickly.

BSG got cancelled. Don't imitiate the worse elements of that show and expect it not to get similar results.

ttsec
October 25th, 2009, 07:31 AM
TV is meant to inspire emotion, create feelings in you, good AND bad, your supposed to enjoy the ride, the ups and downs just like in life, as thats whats being depicted, life.

That is just one possible aspect of TV, and this statement should not be made about TV in general. Yes, some people who are bored out of their minds want soap opera, but other people how have long days want to watch TV to wind down and/or escape from reality / real-life drama and stress. One thing I loved about SG-1 was that it did that for me, the wind-down / destressing, not so much with SGU, it's just soap-opera-ness for bored people who apparently don't have enough going on in their real lives that they need TV to simulate it for them.



So if you want to stop watching the show, you do that, thats one less person moaning about every little detail. Especially the ones complaining about certain characters.

Hopefully enough people will stop watching to send this show down the crapper and send a clear message to the producers that people won't just lap up whatever crap their making like mind-less sheep...oh wait, it's too late for that.

BrianD
October 25th, 2009, 07:57 AM
I felt the whole situation was rushed and a little messed. When Brian J Smith said the comment below I'm like no dude your smoking something what happened on the show is called hooking up. It's also douche move what Scott did to Eli considering Eli stuck his hand in the stargate for Scott.

Also, I don't think this was a "sex scene" or "hooking up". This was two people making love, maybe for the first and last time ever.

bradly08
October 25th, 2009, 08:16 AM
The hole Chloe and Scott thing was so pretictable, the second they had a talk about Chole's dad having died I knew staight away they would eventually get down to it ( But in the 5th episode!?). And the thing with Scott being relgious yet screwing everything with legs? Looks like another screw up on behalf of the writers. Also, the idea of Chole and Scott getting together is been scene soo many times before that it is bordering on a cliche. TBH I would have rather Eli get the girl and rub it into Scott's face.

jelgate
October 25th, 2009, 08:19 AM
The hole Chloe and Scott thing was so pretictable, the second they had a talk about Chole's dad having died I knew staight away they would eventually get down to it ( But in the 5th episode!?). And the thing with Scott being relgious yet screwing everything with legs? Looks like another screw up on behalf of the writers. Also, the idea of Chole and Scott getting together is been scene soo many times before that it is bordering on a cliche. TBH I would have rather Eli get the girl and rub it into Scott's face.

Isn't that also a cliche:P

Coronach
October 25th, 2009, 08:20 AM
Isn't that also a cliche:P

Why, yes. Yes it is. What ever could that mean? :rolleyes:

jelgate
October 25th, 2009, 08:23 AM
Why, yes. Yes it is. What ever could that mean? :rolleyes:

Do you really want the honest answer?:P

Coronach
October 25th, 2009, 08:24 AM
Do you really want the honest answer?:P

No, as I know it already. :P

bradly08
October 25th, 2009, 08:30 AM
Isn't that also a cliche:P

Im sorry, but how often have you seen the larger fella get the woman in the same place as a someone like Scott? cause I have not.

jelgate
October 25th, 2009, 08:32 AM
Im sorry, but how often have you seen the larger fella get the woman in the same place as a someone like Scott? cause I have not.

It happens all the time in televison which makes it makes it a cliche not to mention unrealastic

bradly08
October 25th, 2009, 08:34 AM
It happens all the time in televison which makes it makes it a cliche not to mention unrealastic

OK? could you provide examples?

Wayston
October 25th, 2009, 08:36 AM
hopefully we can nog get scotts previous girlfriend in on the action and drama and then we would have a love triangle, whoohohoooo love triangle ftw!!!! :rolleyes:

missmobius
October 25th, 2009, 09:33 AM
Couldn't have said it better myself. Chloe is just a completely worthless character in my opinion, and Scott is the Kirk/Riker of the show banging all of the female actors. Poor writing and completely unnecessary.


Now now, Scott is nothing like Riker or Kirk, those 2 were very handsome and a delight to watch, Scott is too sappy for me.

Athosian Death facilitator
October 25th, 2009, 09:33 AM
Scott was playing the hard to get card... hahaha not really. he just promised the her a double rashion, hahaha. Its about the same as a couple coke hits for a bj down a back alley at a club.

Athosian Death facilitator
October 25th, 2009, 09:36 AM
maybe eli will grow up and offer her his rations for a week.... he could lose some weight. the whole more to love thing isnt really working in his favour

Alarria
October 25th, 2009, 10:45 AM
I had an idea. The actress playing Tamara Johnson is pregnant. Obviously they're going to have to write this into the show, right? Next will be a scene of Scott "comforting" TJ over missing college with a little unprotected....hmm too much?

POW
October 25th, 2009, 12:15 PM
TPTB are sending the message that casual sex is OK. This is really sad considering SGU is aimed at a younger demographic.

Casual sex is great ! Also its not targeted for a younger audiance just a more general wider one hence the drama upgrade.



not to mention what protection they used? I dont think the airforce issues condoms? If she's on the pill it's been over a day so it would have worn off.

I bet she's preggers.


Hahaha Ancients didnt need silly rubber condoms they used energy field condoms produced by a small ring device resembling a stargate. There is even a whooosh when you turn it on :lol:

lordofseas
October 25th, 2009, 12:20 PM
Casual sex is great ! Also its not targeted for a younger audiance just a more general wider one hence the drama upgrade.


I do hope this is a joke.

bradly08
October 25th, 2009, 12:34 PM
Hahaha Ancients didnt need silly rubber condoms they used energy field condoms produced by a small ring device resembling a stargate. There is even a whooosh when you turn it on :lol:

Wouldn't the Whooosh be better placed at the "High point? :lol:

Confessor Rahl
October 25th, 2009, 12:36 PM
Chloe and Scott are ruining this show. I'm getting to know everyone else better, but these two just nauseate me.

This, this and this. Seriously, way out of left field and totally senseless.

Eclectic_Voyeur
October 25th, 2009, 01:03 PM
From this kino webisode http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1714/index.html it seems Scott thinks of him and Chloe as having a relationship of some sorts but why not put this in the actual episodes.


From that clip, I'm callin' Scott a playa. :cool:

No, after reading this thread I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought their deep, intense and sudden love was awkward at best.

Evie

Nikec3
October 25th, 2009, 03:22 PM
Writers have some problems with love stories, we can see this in season 5 of Stargate Atlantis.

Aurora24
October 25th, 2009, 05:11 PM
That scene is one of the reasons that Chloe, who I liked orginally liked, is really, really starting to annoy me. She strikes me as becoming incredibly needy since she came on board the Destiny. I can understand that she's feeling alone and lost since her father's death, but she's practically throwing herself at two different men. Or at least throwing herself at one (Scott) and taking advantage of the other (Eli). I'm also wondering where these deep feelings they were talking about came from? The few conversations they had together after Chloe lost her father?

jelgate
October 25th, 2009, 05:20 PM
That scene is one of the reasons that Chloe, who I liked orginally liked, is really, really starting to annoy me. She strikes me as becoming incredibly needy since she came on board the Destiny. I can understand that she's feeling alone and lost since her father's death, but she's practically throwing herself at two different men. Or at least throwing herself at one (Scott) and taking advantage of the other (Eli). I'm also wondering where these deep feelings they were talking about came from? The few conversations they had together after Chloe lost her father?

I don't see how she is taking advantage of Eli? All she asked was to show how the shower worked. That doesn't equate to talking advantage of. It just means Eli misinterperted and given his social skills that seems likely.

Eternal Density
October 25th, 2009, 05:27 PM
I think that how the 'relationship' (if you can call it that) came out of nowhere is actually a major intended point.
Also, Chloe saying what she 'probably' felt makes me wonder if she'll still feel the same way now that the crisis is over. Scott was talking like he cared but I wonder what his motives really are. Perhaps he thought his chances with Vanessa were not so good?

dahok
October 25th, 2009, 05:31 PM
I don't see how she is taking advantage of Eli? All she asked was to show how the shower worked. That doesn't equate to talking advantage of. It just means Eli misinterperted and given his social skills that seems likely.

It wasn't much different than what James did, the eye contact and 'talk in private'.

Just a pair of pretty girls that only have to bat their eyes to get what they want from Eli. Chloe may not have even noticed that she was doing it intentionally, but it worked.

Col.Foley
October 25th, 2009, 05:33 PM
I think that how the 'relationship' (if you can call it that) came out of nowhere is actually a major intended point.
Also, Chloe saying what she 'probably' felt makes me wonder if she'll still feel the same way now that the crisis is over. Scott was talking like he cared but I wonder what his motives really are. Perhaps he thought his chances with Vanessa were not so good?
I think its more that she is not sure what she feels, because it is such a new and radical different experience for her. I bet at the least...if she had any relationships period...that she had shallow ones. And I am not talking love or sex here, but any relationship she had...other then her father...probably did not get a huge chance to develop

It wasn't much different than what James did, the eye contact and 'talk in private'.

Just a pair of pretty girls that only have to bat their eyes to get what they want from Eli. Chloe may not have even noticed that she was doing it intentionally, but it worked.
James was pretty insistant, and Eli did not follow her because he has a particular attraction.

jelgate
October 25th, 2009, 05:35 PM
It wasn't much different than what James did, the eye contact and 'talk in private'.

Yes it was. Body language speaks a lot.


Just a pair of pretty girls that only have to bat their eyes to get what they want from Eli. Chloe may not have even noticed that she was doing it intentionally, but it worked.

I would think if anyone had asked Eli how the showers worked he would have shown them. Granted Chloe's gender kept him their longer if say Greer asked how the showers worked

Confessor Rahl
October 25th, 2009, 05:36 PM
I think its more that she is not sure what she feels, because it is such a new and radical different experience for her. I bet at the least...if she had any relationships period...that she had shallow ones. And I am not talking love or sex here, but any relationship she had...other then her father...probably did not get a huge chance to develop

I don't claim to know the specifics since they haven't been revealed yet, but that is a LOT of speculation there.

Col.Foley
October 25th, 2009, 05:36 PM
Yes it was. Body language speaks a lot.


I would think if anyone had asked Eli how the showers worked he would have shown them. Granted Chloe's gender kept him their longer if say Greer asked how the showers worked
Her Gender and that he fancies the heck outta her.

Col.Foley
October 25th, 2009, 05:37 PM
I don't claim to know the specifics since they haven't been revealed yet, but that is a LOT of speculation there.
Its what I do :cameron:

Eternal Density
October 25th, 2009, 05:55 PM
It wasn't much different than what James did, the eye contact and 'talk in private'.

Just a pair of pretty girls that only have to bat their eyes to get what they want from Eli. Chloe may not have even noticed that she was doing it intentionally, but it worked.What does Chloe want from Eli? And what other option does she have, avoid him completely?
[edit]
Eli: "Why have you been avoiding me?"
Chloe: "Because being around me forces you to be nice to me."
Eli: "...???"

Col.Foley
October 25th, 2009, 06:02 PM
What does Chloe want from Eli? And what other option does she have, avoid him completely?
[edit]
Eli: "Why have you been avoiding me?"
Chloe: "Because being around me forces you to be nice to me."
Eli: "...???"
Add on to that what are you supposed to do? be automatically mean to the girl that you find to be kinda hot?

patssle
October 25th, 2009, 06:11 PM
2 young people are about to possibly die and it's unrealistic for them to just have sex? This ain't the 1950s anymore.

As for Scott over Eli, that's an easy answer. Nice guys finish last. Welcome to reality!

Col.Foley
October 25th, 2009, 06:12 PM
2 young people are about to possibly die and it's unrealistic for them to just have sex? This ain't the 1950s anymore.

As for Scott over Eli, that's an easy answer. Nice guys finish last. Welcome to reality!
I do hope you are wrong:P

patssle
October 25th, 2009, 06:25 PM
I do hope you are wrong:P

What part?

Society is more promiscuous these day. A lot of people cheat on their spouses. Even good Christian family value Republicans. Sad, but that's the way it is.

Nice guys do usually finish last. There's lots of information and theories why that happens, but that's just a fact of life. There are some women that realize what they have in a nice guy - but most will go "he's too nice" and move on.

Eternal Density
October 25th, 2009, 06:29 PM
2 young people are about to possibly die and it's unrealistic for them to just have sex? This ain't the 1950s anymore.You mean the 1950s aren't like in Back to the Future?

Col.Foley
October 25th, 2009, 06:31 PM
What part?

Society is more promiscuous these day. A lot of people cheat on their spouses. Even good Christian family value Republicans. Sad, but that's the way it is.

Nice guys do usually finish last. There's lots of information and theories why that happens, but that's just a fact of life. There are some women that realize what they have in a nice guy - but most will go "he's too nice" and move on.
the last one:p

BrianD
October 25th, 2009, 10:11 PM
They've actually done studies about nice guys finishing last. All though somewhat sad it's actually rather interesting to read about.

Eli is a good guy character and we all can find a way to identify with him in one way or another. That's what makes it somewhat sad.

Avenger
October 25th, 2009, 11:17 PM
And "nice guy" is a bit of a misnomer. The typical "nice guy" is generally someone who won't express their feelings or take the risk and go for what they want. It's more than possible to be nice and get what you want, so to speak.

Achaja
October 26th, 2009, 01:25 AM
As for me it was out of nowhere. Sad that such scene was wasted just because...It should grow slowly and be such a cherry on top but ends like there're old mariage and sex is someting obvious between them there.

I still got this feeling - did I miss something? Few episodes maybe?:S

But! This is still my ship:D:P

Avenger
October 26th, 2009, 01:33 AM
Real life doesn't always work like that.

skajkingdom
October 26th, 2009, 02:16 AM
It was kind of like a porno wasn't it.
Hello I am here to clean your pool,
Oh dang my pants fell off.

*Cue 70s music*

Ahahahaha .... thank you, you made my day!

spinny magee
October 26th, 2009, 02:35 AM
This is not to bash either character and.....I bloody loved the ep!! Bloody great.

But....

Did I miss about 17 episodes of the build up between Chloe and Scott?? Last I saw she just touched his hand when he almost died and the next thing they instantly go to each other and its automatic bonking time when certain death is imminent.

Here I was barracking for Eli and then within the first minute of the next ep my money on the Eli train is gone! I don't mind Chloe and Scott getting together, but it just seemed a bit......whats the word? Rushed, forced, odd.

However my 28yo male hormones were very thankful for yet another Chloe nudity scene :D

LOL Anyone who says they hate these scenes, in my opinion...must secretly like it.

Commander Zelix
October 26th, 2009, 02:59 AM
http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1714/index.html

Pretty cool kino vid (posted before in this thread). Setting up Scott as a player. "No, we mean your other gf". This kino scene probably happened after the events of Light imo.

Stormtrooper
October 26th, 2009, 04:09 AM
^ Ridiculous scene. Everyone looks bad in this one. Maybe Johansen is also one of Matthew "The Playa" Scott's beyotches? It's really unbelievable that the IOA/US assigned the scum of the universe to one of Earth's most important off-world bases. Is Greer homo?

uniftgammon
October 26th, 2009, 04:49 AM
I have most of this thread and I can say I’ve enjoyed all the jokes but I am having a hard time understanding the whole chole and scott relationship like most of you now

1st off i like to say I have no problem with sex in SGU but i always though of the stargate as a more of a family show

2ndly Chole and Scott i have no problem with them hooking up I was bummed for eli but I got over and the things that bug me about where that chloe told scott I’ve never been more close to someone crap and up until this point everything I’ve seen on the show or been told about the it is that its going to move a lot slower then the old stargate shows and seemed like the show was 20 km p/h and just slammed on the gas and started going 122 km p/h

P.S. I seen the solar power thing coming before then end of darkness

renboy
October 26th, 2009, 05:26 AM
So someone must have brought the big box of rubbers on-board the destiny?

Encoder
October 26th, 2009, 05:30 AM
Relationships built under intense circumstances typically burn out very quickly.

The buildup may have been short, but just like an explosion, it's all go and all stop fairly quickly.

Add to that the, we're gonna die, let's make the most of it, situation, you're gonna have as much worldly pleasure as you can before you "meet your maker".

I have a feeling it's going to end bitterly.

:sheppard:

Commander Zelix
October 26th, 2009, 01:38 PM
I think Chloe is in for a hard awakening to the player type personality. She was too much cocooned by her senator father.

Chloe to Scott:"Scott you haven't called me since the last time we saw each other"
Scott:"You know, I was pretty busy and ****"
Chloe:"So you want to do something tonight?"
Scott:"busy"
Chloe:"I've never felt so close to anybody in my life"
Scott:"You were a virgin!!"
Chloe:"No, I mean emotionally"
Scott:"Oh that"
Chloe:"Whats that book with my name in it with 7 beside it and James with 8 beside it and Vanessa with 6?"
Scott:"euh mmm, euh Destiny crew report. Yeah thats it, its some Destiny crew rating report. Young asked me to do for him"
Chloe:"Ok, see you around"
Scott muttering to himself while Chloe's leaving:"Yeah sure, I lost interest in you the moment we did it."

perkin127
October 26th, 2009, 01:53 PM
my main question was why was o-one else hooking up i mean imminent death people, and your playing cards, COME ON, plus the Chloe Scott thing didn't work for me as from what we'd been shown she was closer to Eli, she just prob didn't fancy him cause shes crazy, but then maybe she only said that to Scott to cover up the fact she wanted a quickie and tbh i dnt blame her that, i almost expected her to try it on with eli after Scott left, that would have been funny!

Less
October 26th, 2009, 02:39 PM
i wonder if any woman on this show is there for just herself, not to be *explored by sex*? :mckay:


Well, there's the geologist. She's smart, and focused on the task at hand. Willing to do what's necessary to find the good sand, going to an unknown planet to save her team.

No wait...she had to girl-panic and follow the scared dude through the gate, never to be seen again.

Oh well. At least she had SOME screen time.

Stormtrooper
October 26th, 2009, 04:00 PM
I also liked the geologist. Palmer, right? Maybe we will see her again if the show is renewed for a 2nd season.

dosed150
October 26th, 2009, 06:10 PM
the only thing that bothered me was the padme/anakin kind of dialogue involved

Eternal Density
October 26th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Commander Zelix: Vanessa IS James.

Commander Zelix
October 26th, 2009, 07:22 PM
Commander Zelix: Vanessa IS James.
Well, the other Vanessa. I also made up the calling stuff, as I don't think theres a working phone system on the Destiny, but it was nicely cliche.

slurredspeech
October 26th, 2009, 07:40 PM
my main question was why was o-one else hooking up i mean imminent death people,...

Yeah, you know, I just don't get the 'imminent death' argument.

Has anyone had an imminent death situation? Where they thought for sure they were going to die? Honestly; I can't imagine the first thing one thinks to themselves is 'Hmmm, bugger. Though. I am feeling a tad turned on right now.'

I guess I just don't get it.

Eternal Density
October 26th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Well, the other Vanessa. I also made up the calling stuff, as I don't think theres a working phone system on the Destiny, but it was nicely cliche.There's another Vanessa?

GateroomGuard
October 26th, 2009, 07:56 PM
There's another Vanessa?

None that we know of.

Eternal Density
October 27th, 2009, 01:11 AM
None that we know of.Oh, Commander Zelix must have made that up. I see now...

perkin127
October 27th, 2009, 03:04 AM
Yeah, you know, I just don't get the 'imminent death' argument.

Has anyone had an imminent death situation? Where they thought for sure they were going to die? Honestly; I can't imagine the first thing one thinks to themselves is 'Hmmm, bugger. Though. I am feeling a tad turned on right now.'

I guess I just don't get it.

i suppose if i thought i was going to die i would rather spend my time having sex with someone than playing cards but im a hussy so maybe thats just me

Phenom
October 27th, 2009, 05:08 AM
Yeah, you know, I just don't get the 'imminent death' argument.

Has anyone had an imminent death situation? Where they thought for sure they were going to die? Honestly; I can't imagine the first thing one thinks to themselves is 'Hmmm, bugger. Though. I am feeling a tad turned on right now.'

I guess I just don't get it.

Yeah....if I had had the time to get my kit off and shag the nearest girl, whilst running and jumping under a car to escape the dude chasing me with a shotgun, then I would have.

But me being a male I have never been that good at multi-tasking.

FallenAngelII
October 27th, 2009, 06:10 AM
It's not out of nowhere at all. It's been pretty heavily hinted for a while, you just had to know how television and television writing works.

Phenom
October 27th, 2009, 06:13 AM
It's not out of nowhere at all. It's been pretty heavily hinted for a while, you just had to know how television and television writing works.

I think you missed the point. I doubt many people are surprised they got together.....but it seemed out of the blue in terms of timing. Personally I thought it would happen in a half dozen more eps at least.

Rac80
October 27th, 2009, 07:03 AM
This is not to bash either character and.....I bloody loved the ep!! Bloody great.

But....

Did I miss about 17 episodes of the build up between Chloe and Scott?? Last I saw she just touched his hand when he almost died and the next thing they instantly go to each other and its automatic bonking time when certain death is imminent.

Here I was barracking for Eli and then within the first minute of the next ep my money on the Eli train is gone! I don't mind Chloe and Scott getting together, but it just seemed a bit......whats the word? Rushed, forced, odd.

However my 28yo male hormones were very thankful for yet another Chloe nudity scene :D
the birth of the Quadrangle of Doom... and so the Destiny turns.....*cue cheesey music*

It's all to get more ratings. It doesnt have to make sense.

LOL green for you!!!


not to mention what protection they used? I dont think the airforce issues condoms? If she's on the pill it's been over a day so it would have worn off.

I bet she's preggers.

Oh there are several long-term options she could be using ...from the implants that can last up to 5 years depending on type or a three month shot...let's see how far-seeing some gals were...;) then again maybe scott got a vasectomy after getting a teenager pregnant? to quote jack:"a little snippity-do-dah" :eek:


It was clearly the we are going to die scenario but I could have done with a little more transtion and explanation of why they were having sex.

For the ratings... that enough explanation for you?


Where do you guys live?

I work in Manhattan. Thursday night is the biggest night for the bar scene. Why? Because that's how people meet the person they'll be "dating" on Saturday.

In the age group that these characters are in, this happens all the time. "17 episodes" to build a relationship? You mean a year? That would mean when a real life person goes off to college, they don't get into a sexual relationship until they are a sophmore. Yeah, right.



It's aimed younger as in "under 50". Not "under 18". The characters are in the 20's. Not teenagers.

oh but they act like teens....


Some people will defend anything, it was poorly done...Didn't make sense.

He would of got back with his first choice, the groundwork was already layed on that....Instead he ends up with someone out of the blue, and they have a deep love, like david copperfield made it appear out of thin air...

Me and my wife were like wth! Doomsday scenario is, hey the world gonna end, who cares if we have regrets!....not I feel closer to you than I have anyone, ever and I love you...


People complain about the lack of reality in the other series and say this show is more realistic, but its like we change one persons bad reality for another bad reality. McKay fixes things to easy/quick, to unrealistic love drama.

I am gonna give it the entire first season, no matter what happens, well unless something very bad happens to turn me off. I hope it becomes 'better' ('' for my version of better, I know some love it, some hate it....im trying...its all I can do).

as stated before same show runners same stupid stuff....:D


I guess we all like space opera drama better than we thought ehh?

obviously some do.....


quote from certain famous line in SG-1:


"Dude, that hot chick was so totally a gou'ald!'

"Duh. I was still gonna tap that." :P:P


Writers have some problems with love stories, we can see this in season 5 of Stargate Atlantis.
these writers just have problems......

Skydiver
October 27th, 2009, 07:49 AM
LOL Anyone who says they hate these scenes, in my opinion...must secretly like it.
How about you please confine your comments to YOUR feelings and thoughts about the scene and leave your interpretation of others' opinions out of it.

FallenAngelII
October 27th, 2009, 07:51 AM
I think you missed the point. I doubt many people are surprised they got together.....but it seemed out of the blue in terms of timing. Personally I thought it would happen in a half dozen more eps at least.
You should've been here in the past few weeks. A whole bunch of users were vehemently opposing me when I said that the pilot had a lot of hints of a Scott-Chloe ship!

Skydiver
October 27th, 2009, 07:51 AM
Folks, let me remind you please

First of all, you will NOT call characters names. That's character bashing and against the rules.

You will NOT call Chloe a slut or whore, or Scott a man-whore or anything else you come up with.

Second, please remember that the topic is your feelings/thoughts/ideas about the relationship. It is NOT what you think others feel or why you think they feel that way or anything like that. You can only speak for yourself, and in the context of this thread, the topic is Chloe and Scott, not other fans.

FallenAngelII
October 27th, 2009, 08:11 AM
*redacted*

Corporal Obvious
October 27th, 2009, 08:36 AM
The other thing that bugs me about the Scott/Chloe hookup is that Scott is the second in command. Between getting the lime on the desert planet, learning how to fly the shuttle, and running the ship when Young is on Earth he shouldn't have had time to get that close to Chloe. Yet, 3 or 4 days into this "emergency" Chloe is closer to him than anyone else she has known. IMO, that is just flat out unbelievable. A 10 minute shag to forget you are going to die would have been believable but what the writers showed us wasn't.

I love the plot of this show and I will most likely watch the rest of the season no matter what, but this show could be so much better than it has been. I hope it gets better soon.

ronin36
October 27th, 2009, 09:11 AM
I think Chloe's and Scott's "relationship" has been building.. Remember the conversation in the observation deck shortly after the Senator's sacrifice... Yes.. it's been building.

But also, I think Chloe is feeling lost right now. She lost her father (a strong male character), and doesn't have her mother to lean on. Right now, there are two men in her life that are "capable." Scott is a young, but obviously capable soldier. Eli is a young, but brilliant mathmatician. He seems to see beyond the box, and hence capable of solving problems. Both of these men serving as protectors for her.

As for Scott, I think her feelings are definitely boyfriend/girlfriend. Enhanced (accelerated may be a better word) by the loss of a strong male character in her life.

As for Eli, I think her feelings are more brother/sister.

Both of which I'm totally OK with. In fact, I think to a degree, at the end of Light, Eli was coming to that same emotional state.

OK.. Before people start snapping... "A woman doesn't need a strong male figure in her life ... " I am NOT saying that.. But it appears that Chloe, specifically, does to a degree, and hasn't come to grips with the loss of her father yet.

Alder
October 27th, 2009, 02:58 PM
Between getting the lime on the desert planet, learning how to fly the shuttle, and running the ship when Young is on Earth [Scott] shouldn't have had time to get that close to Chloe. Yet, 3 or 4 days into this "emergency" Chloe is closer to him than anyone else she has known.
This is one of the things that I found a bit odd about it too. The music and filming of the scene played as if it was part of a relationship, not a last-minute hookup. But there really hasn't been time for that yet. Time to realise that you're attracted - well, just about, though it's been a pretty busy last couple of days, really... Time to form a bond closer than any before in your life? That's the kind of thing a 14-year-old might say. And an immature one, at that. Odd.

SupremeLegate
October 27th, 2009, 04:22 PM
I can understand the two of them hooking up in a situation where they might die, it is perfectly understandable for two people who are physically attracted to each other to do in such a situation.

And lets face it, as far as Chloe is concerned Eli is just a really good friend, I doubt she even realizes how he feels toward her.

The problem I see with the scene is that while it is just supposed to be casual, the way it is shot and the music is like they were trying to convey deep emotion. And I think that is what feels wrong to most people; it’s the implication of deep emotion where there has been no preparation for such emotions.

Hopefully, the writers will not suddenly have them in some kind of relationship. I think someone somewhere mentions that the actor who plays Scott posted something about the scene in his blog.

So the way I am choosing to look at it is: The intent was for it to be a casual fling, but the production of it messed it up. The real test will be when/if the scene is brought up in a future episode or if the writers try to have them suddenly in a non-casual relationship.

So I guess I will wait until the next episode to see how things pan out, anyone seen the next episode yet?

Eternal Density
October 27th, 2009, 04:37 PM
I think part of the point is that currently Chloe isn't particularly mature when it comes to relationships.

Magnecite
October 27th, 2009, 05:31 PM
I think part of the point is that currently Chloe isn't particularly mature when it comes to relationships.

I think the writers have decided to have a couple in a RELATIONSHIP rather than the usual will they won't they that strings fans along for years. I personally don't find this pair very charismatic. Scott seemed to want her along as his first chosen Eve on the new planet and then took a rather pragmatic turn when she wasn't chosen.

There was a moment when I thought Chloe was going to give Eli a happy send off.

Mag:)

Coronach
October 27th, 2009, 06:50 PM
The problem I see with the scene is that while it is just supposed to be casual, the way it is shot and the music is like they were trying to convey deep emotion. And I think that is what feels wrong to most people; it’s the implication of deep emotion where there has been no preparation for such emotions.

Hopefully, the writers will not suddenly have them in some kind of relationship. I think someone somewhere mentions that the actor who plays Scott posted something about the scene in his blog.

So the way I am choosing to look at it is: The intent was for it to be a casual fling, but the production of it messed it up. The real test will be when/if the scene is brought up in a future episode or if the writers try to have them suddenly in a non-casual relationship.

So I guess I will wait until the next episode to see how things pan out, anyone seen the next episode yet?

This. I agree in absolutely everything you said. Perhaps the writers are planning something, but I have a sinking feeling that they'll simply have it be established from here on out and not address the strangeness/suddenness of it all. We'll see, and I'd love it if they did something I completely wasn't expecting :)

missmobius
October 28th, 2009, 06:04 AM
what kind of a young woman, sleeps with someone she's just known for less than a week?

IMO she's not that bright, weak minded, has little self control, and very low on the moral scale. Just not the kind of female lead I want to see in a series. Oh and how come she's not grieving her father????

Nothing about Chloe is remotely attractive (in personality). She's cute, but that's not enough to grant her so much air time.

Loved "Light" episode a lot, but the bed scene totally a waste of time. Give me more Rush/Eli/Riley please :) (too bad there isn't a strong likable female in the cast)

jelgate
October 28th, 2009, 07:19 AM
what kind of a young woman, sleeps with someone she's just known for less than a week?
More then you would realize according to the data but their is also the arguement of how unrealastic surveys are


IMO she's not that bright, weak minded, has little self control, and very low on the moral scale. Just not the kind of female lead I want to see in a series. Oh and how come she's not grieving her father???
I think all that are effects because she is grieving for her father. Bear in mind everyone grieves differently and I think that grieving has lowered her proper judgement

Actionhank
October 28th, 2009, 08:44 AM
Well maybe, just maybe some scenes were lost in the cutting process. I figure they have gotten a little closer because of the Senator's sacrifice thingy...
But I have to admit - Scott is not a disparager of "food". ^^

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 08:49 AM
what kind of a young woman, sleeps with someone she's just known for less than a week?

Young ones who do not see sex as some kind of holy sacrament.


Just not the kind of female lead I want to see in a series.

She is what in her 20's? How many women in there 20s are "proper" role models?

slurredspeech
October 28th, 2009, 08:53 AM
Young ones who do not see sex as some kind of holy sacrament.

This made me laugh out loud. Cheers for that.

(And totally agree.)



She is what in her 20's? How many women in there 20s are "proper" role models?

To be fair, I do know some, and they're awesome in the true sense of the word. It's not the sex part that makes me dislike the character, though.

prion
October 28th, 2009, 12:19 PM
Young ones who do not see sex as some kind of holy sacrament.

She is what in her 20's? How many women in there 20s are "proper" role models?

Lots depends on how you were raised, religion and all that, as to how you view sex.

Let's see, Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears *smacks self* ;) Well, the really popular ones sure aren't, but they keep the tabloids in business.

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 12:42 PM
I still can't figure out the "Closest person" line, it just does not fit at all.

Course neither does the music.

Linda06
October 28th, 2009, 12:52 PM
Yes it was completely out of no where IMO, there was no foreplay or any kind of development, they just jumped into bed and that was it :rolleyes: You'd think with the practice these guys have had trying to write romance that they would learn by there mistakes :p

Can't Scott keep it in his pants, a few days ago he sneaks into a closet to get a quickie from a fellow soldier and now a few days later he's bonking another woman. So whose gonna be next on his hitlist :p

We should take bets ;)

Arga
October 28th, 2009, 01:24 PM
I see this situation more like something to be seen from Eli's point of view. He experienced this "betrayal" with a big disappointment, because in the previous episodes, we've seen Chloe and Eli spend more time together than Chloe & Scott. It's a surprise for him as much as it is for us.
Even if Chloe didn't have any romantic feeling towards Eli when they were talking together, Eli must have had some hope that she had (I mean, he's a geek and there is a girl actually talking to him - how often does that happens in real life?).
We witnessed how sadly Eli looks at the happy couple as they're heading to their room, we saw Eli's face & sarcastic comments when they came to join the kino documentary ("i figured you'd be busy"...)
And if Eli heard Chloe say to Scott "I've never felt so close to anyone else on this ship", he would have thought, like me, "huh, since when??"...
All this, makes the viewer have pity or sympathy for Eli, and we also see that he doesn't reject Chloe when she comes to him in the end. So he's definitely a poor nice, too nice guy.

nightGOLD
October 28th, 2009, 01:59 PM
Yes it was completely out of no where IMO, there was no foreplay or any kind of development, they just jumped into bed and that was it :rolleyes: You'd think with the practice these guys have had trying to write romance that they would learn by there mistakes :p

Can't Scott keep it in his pants, a few days ago he sneaks into a closet to get a quickie from a fellow soldier and now a few days later he's bonking another woman. So whose gonna be next on his hitlist :p

We should take bets ;)

There something else ,
Did they use protection?
Are we going to have too put up with a baby on-board?
there are and should be consequences for poor little Scott
wouldn't that be something.?
I guess seeing there are no aliens too have a passing dalliance with
the crew-members will have to do.
show me the air lock!

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 02:30 PM
I see this situation more like something to be seen from Eli's point of view. He experienced this "betrayal" with a big disappointment, because in the previous episodes, we've seen Chloe and Eli spend more time together than Chloe & Scott. It's a surprise for him as much as it is for us.
Even if Chloe didn't have any romantic feeling towards Eli when they were talking together, Eli must have had some hope that she had (I mean, he's a geek and there is a girl actually talking to him - how often does that happens in real life?).
We witnessed how sadly Eli looks at the happy couple as they're heading to their room, we saw Eli's face & sarcastic comments when they came to join the kino documentary ("i figured you'd be busy"...)
And if Eli heard Chloe say to Scott "I've never felt so close to anyone else on this ship", he would have thought, like me, "huh, since when??"...
All this, makes the viewer have pity or sympathy for Eli, and we also see that he doesn't reject Chloe when she comes to him in the end. So he's definitely a poor nice, too nice guy.

I knew there was a reason I identifed with him, minus the Math skills.


There something else ,
Did they use protection?
Are we going to have too put up with a baby on-board?
there are and should be consequences for poor little Scott
wouldn't that be something.?
I guess seeing there are no aliens too have a passing dalliance with
the crew-members will have to do.
show me the air lock!

In order:
There are other ways to be safe
I doubt it
YES!!!
::Skips::
I'd rather show Scott the airlock.

Linda06
October 28th, 2009, 02:59 PM
I see this situation more like something to be seen from Eli's point of view. He experienced this "betrayal" with a big disappointment, because in the previous episodes, we've seen Chloe and Eli spend more time together than Chloe & Scott. It's a surprise for him as much as it is for us.
Even if Chloe didn't have any romantic feeling towards Eli when they were talking together, Eli must have had some hope that she had (I mean, he's a geek and there is a girl actually talking to him - how often does that happens in real life?).
We witnessed how sadly Eli looks at the happy couple as they're heading to their room, we saw Eli's face & sarcastic comments when they came to join the kino documentary ("i figured you'd be busy"...)
And if Eli heard Chloe say to Scott "I've never felt so close to anyone else on this ship", he would have thought, like me, "huh, since when??"...
All this, makes the viewer have pity or sympathy for Eli, and we also see that he doesn't reject Chloe when she comes to him in the end. So he's definitely a poor nice, too nice guy.

I felt sorry for poor Eli. He's a really sweet guy. If it was me I'd choose Eli over Scott any day of the week. I like a guy with a sense of humour, although Eli's jokes do need some work :p At least he tries :)


There something else ,
Did they use protection?
Are we going to have too put up with a baby on-board?
there are and should be consequences for poor little Scott
wouldn't that be something.?
I guess seeing there are no aliens too have a passing dalliance with
the crew-members will have to do.
show me the air lock!

No I don't think they did use protection, I don't think he used protection with James either. Sexually transmitted diseases anyone? So.......Wonder who'll be next on his hitlist ;)

Lightning Ducj
October 28th, 2009, 03:05 PM
So.......Wonder who'll be next on his hitlist ;)

Maybe we should start a sort-of Deadpool?

Linda06
October 28th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Maybe we should start a sort-of Deadpool?

hmmmm, good idea :D We have to get all the names of the women first :p

Magnecite
October 28th, 2009, 03:58 PM
The scenes I've seen between Chloe and Scott didn't really suggest much chemistry. I think the rapidity of the relationship point to Scott's weakness for the pleasures of the flesh which we were informed of when he did the flashback thing with his dad/priest. Chloe is out in space, out of place and she's just lost her father. I don't see it unnatural that she would succumb to an attentive male in those circumstances. I rather hope this isn't a permanent fixture but there will be some that like it so good luck to them.

Mag

daedalus91
October 28th, 2009, 04:08 PM
I don't see what the problem is, obviously something is going to happen when you both think will die, then once the sex is over there will surely be a large amount of passion. Plus it wasn't really bad in the first place.

Eternal Density
October 28th, 2009, 04:16 PM
Maybe we should start a sort-of Deadpool?Finding gems like this makes me glad I Wade though all the new posts.

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 05:49 PM
I don't see what the problem is, obviously something is going to happen when you both think will die, then once the sex is over there will surely be a large amount of passion. Plus it wasn't really bad in the first place.

Well for me the problem was that things like the music and the "Closest Person" line made it feel like it was supposed to be more, which made it feel forced and out of place.

And of course there is the fact that I indentify with Eli.


I think the big test will come when we see how they intereact next; if the wirters have them just acting casual then fine, but if they are suddenly in a "relationship" then I might throw something at the TV.

I recently watched an interview with Elyse Levesque and she mentioned something about an episode where Chloe is trying to convince Young I assume that she should go on the mission.

And personaly I am hoping that Scott does not want her to go so that there is some tension there.


So for me it will come down to how they interact in the next episode(s), and from how they were right after in the Time Capsel scene I don't think there will be a problem.

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 06:21 PM
Ok, I just had someone help me understand the "Closest Person" line.

SupremeLegate wrote:
How do you mean? Becuase she was sheltered?

someguy0830 wrote:
Sort of. If you take it in a typical fiction context, it probably would have been a bit harder for any potential boyfriends to deal with that. Once you tack on being his executive assistant, that makes it even worse.

Even without any actual background on her time in school or such, this statement seems fairly believable to me. It also goes without saying that her dad just died and Scott revealed some of his own personal tragedy as a means of helping her move past it.


SupremeLegate wrote:
So it is more of at "I've never been more myself with a person before" kind of statment?

That actualy tracks with something she said in an interview I watched earlier, about this being the first time Chloe as been around people who saw her for her.

someguy0830 wrote:
That it is, but nevertheless it plays pretty straight with her type of character.

leanbarton
October 28th, 2009, 06:27 PM
It's all to get more ratings. It doesnt have to make sense.

Cynical.

Anyway, what would you do? The stress of knowing certain death is coming makes people do uncertain things. Do you think she'd have sex with him if they were all going to live?

I'm guessing they'll be awkward with each other for a while, unless a relationship is formed from their night.

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 06:33 PM
I'm hoping for the Former as aposed to the Latter. Guess we will find out when "Water" airs.

Eternal Density
October 28th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Ok, I just had someone help me understand the "Closest Person" line.*reads carefully*
Ahh, I think I get the point of that. Sounds pretty plausible to me :D

dahok
October 28th, 2009, 07:12 PM
*reads carefully*
Ahh, I think I get the point of that. Sounds pretty plausible to me :D

Apparently she's "falling" for him per the Joseph Mallozzi’s Weblog, in a recent Q&A with the fans. :S

All it took was Scott's deceased parents comparison and she's smitten, the closet person she's known.

Er... closest. I lack a similar morbid story, she wouldn't love me. :(

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 07:49 PM
::Reads Weblog::

So the hot guy gets the hot girl and the nice guy gets the shaft, I am getting really SICK of that senerio.

jelgate
October 28th, 2009, 07:50 PM
::Reads Weblog::

So the hot guy gets the hot girl and the nice guy gets the shaft, I am getting really SICK of that senerio.

But this is just phase 1. We don't know the final resilt. It like saying I hate cookes because I don't like eggs.

Lord Hurin
October 28th, 2009, 07:57 PM
TPTB are sending the message that casual sex is OK. This is really sad considering SGU is aimed at a younger demographic.

YoungER. That means younger than the SG-1 and Atlantis audiences. It doesn't mean they're drawing in the Sesame Street and Dora crowds and telling them to shag everyone in their kindergarten class...


I bet she's preggers.

Yep, it's that easy. Every time you have sex, a baby is conceived. There's no timing involved whatsoever... :rolleyes:


That is true. And for all we know, she may have contracted some STD. The same goes for Scott.

And for all we know, they're both clean.

Listen, I disliked the scene from a writing standpoint but not because I disapprove of sex. The fact that they had sex was fine. It was the fact that they were magically in love that made me wonder wtf was up... :jonas:

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 08:01 PM
But this is just phase 1. We don't know the final resilt. It like saying I hate cookes because I don't like eggs.

Oh I know, and I will keep watching the show. This whole thing is just being heavly colored by my own real life experiances

So if this is the begining ot he relationship, then I can't wait to get to the end.

My hope is that since they are starting this relationhsip so early, then that means it is going to fall flat on its face.

Coronach
October 28th, 2009, 08:01 PM
::Reads Weblog::

So the hot guy gets the hot girl and the nice guy gets the shaft, I am getting really SICK of that senerio.

But Lt. Scott seems like a pretty nice guy to me. So far, I don't really understand where all the hate really comes from :S

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 08:07 PM
But Lt. Scott seems like a pretty nice guy to me. So far, I don't really understand where all the hate really comes from :S

Well for me it is simply the fact that I identify with Eli a lot more than I do Scott. The fact that he is actualy a nice guy only makes it worse.

Lord Hurin
October 28th, 2009, 08:17 PM
But Lt. Scott seems like a pretty nice guy to me. So far, I don't really understand where all the hate really comes from :S

How about in Air 3 when he tells Eli that he's not splitting up from him because the younger guy is slowing him down, but because he "need[s] someone he can trust" to lead the other team? As soon as Eli was out of earshot he mentions something about not being slowed down anymore. Seems kind of two-faced to me. Especially after a moment of honesty where he was admonishing Eli for complaining the entire trip after volunteering to help.

DCK
October 28th, 2009, 08:23 PM
But Lt. Scott seems like a pretty nice guy to me. So far, I don't really understand where all the hate really comes from

I like the character. It's like John Sheppard gone wrong. I love the womaninzer flaw and how they dared to play it. I was scared he would just be another one-dimensional hero for the girls to make avatars of.


The fact that he is actualy a nice guy only makes it worse.

This ain't one-dimensional.

Scott can be the best guy to have in certain situations and a great guy to be around. Eli obviously have other flaws. No one is "just a nice guy".

Eternal Density
October 28th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Losing the girl to the 'hot guy' is at least a step up from losing the girl to absolutely no one at all.

slurredspeech
October 28th, 2009, 08:32 PM
I was scared he would just be another one-dimensional hero for the girls to make avatars of.

To me, that's exactly who he is (save for the 'hero' bit, but I'm sure he'll pull some heroic stunt sooner or later). He's done nothing captivating so far. At least nothing that would make me interested in him. I think Coronach said that he seems like an okay guy and where does all the hatred come from. I can't say about the hatred, because I don't. Hate him. I just couldn't care less, which, for a TV character, is bad. Greer has me more involved just by his facial expression, in reaction to other characters, than Scott has managed since the opener. I don't know. As of yet, to me, he's just... expendable.

And out of so many character flaws - if it turns out it is, in fact, a flaw, and he didn't just randomly have sex with James only to later fall for Chloe; cue the thickening 'plot' - they chose the most commonly used and the least interesting to watch week in, week out.

Meh.

Eternal Density
October 28th, 2009, 08:52 PM
As one of two people who can fly the shuttle, he's not completely expendable, imho.

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 09:03 PM
This ain't one-dimensional.


And that is a good thing, 1D characters are boring. I like having characters who I would like watching my 6 while at the same time I want to throw them out an air lock.



Scott can be the best guy to have in certain situations and a great guy to be around. Eli obviously have other flaws. No one is "just a nice guy".


I agree, I would just really like to see the "unattractive" nice guy get moved out of JustFirendsVill and move to Relationship City


But I will give this relationship a chance to grow on me, seeing as I have no choice. Course that does not mean that I wont keep hoping to see some kind of development between Eli and Chloe.

DCK
October 28th, 2009, 09:34 PM
He's done nothing captivating so far.

Apart from banging two of the hottest girls onboard, being one of the leaders in a strained situation, discovering the substance that provided air for their ship and flying the shuttle you mean?


But I will give this relationship a chance to grow on me, seeing as I have no choice. Course that does not mean that I wont keep hoping to see some kind of development between Eli and Chloe.

You make it sound like it's a real thing. I hope to see anything that provides good writing and good entertainment, regardless of how the "the stars aligns"

dahok
October 28th, 2009, 09:55 PM
As one of two people who can fly the shuttle, he's not completely expendable, imho.

Where did that come from anyway? A ship no one has even heard of, with manually controlled shuttles, and Scott can do complex sling-shot maneuvers. Oh, but can't find the comm device.

I wonder if they threw that in so he has to stick around for a while. So much for replacing Scott with a folding chair.

As I've said before, magic sand monster found the limestone deposit, Scott gets credit. Fortunately since Scott is apparently the hottest guy to ever grace the SG verse, the magic sand monster was instantly attracted to him across the vast emptiness of the terrain.

Avenger
October 28th, 2009, 10:08 PM
He didn't have to do much to perform the maneuver. Correct angle of approach and velocity and let gravity do the rest.

As for the controls, he'd been in the shuttle and had seen the labeled controls for the flight stuff. The coms were down on Destiny and he didn't expect to ever be hearing from Destiny (since they thought everyone was dead) so it's not a stretch to think that he wouldn't have familiarized himself with the com.

SupremeLegate
October 28th, 2009, 10:15 PM
You make it sound like it's a real thing. I hope to see anything that provides good writing and good entertainment, regardless of how the "the stars aligns"

I’m not treating it like they are real people in a real relationship in real life or anything like that.

What I am doing is what all people do when being told a story; I am taking an event that happened in the show that reminds me of similar events in my life and applying my own wishes and desires onto them.

I identify with the character of Eli course I have been in his place MANY times; average guy falls for pretty girl, pretty girl sees average guy as just a friend. Pretty girl falls for attractive guy.

So naturally I want the character of Eli to end up with the character of Chloe, allowing me to live vicariously through him.


And when I refer to seeing how the relationship’s, Scott/Chloe & Eli/Chloe, I am referring to how the writers develop them.

ZoSo
October 28th, 2009, 11:25 PM
I identify with the character of Eli course I have been in his place MANY times; average guy falls for pretty girl, pretty girl sees average guy as just a friend. Pretty girl falls for attractive guy.

So naturally I want the character of Eli to end up with the character of Chloe, allowing me to live vicariously through him.


Couldn't agree more, lol.

I was pissed when she hooked up with Scott. So typical.

Lord Hurin
October 29th, 2009, 04:01 AM
Anybody else think he may have got Chloe pregnant like he did to his 16yo girlfriend? It would explain why they made this strange backstory for him.

God, I hope not. Apparently there are other impending pregnancies on board. I'll let someone who knows how to do the spoiler thing expand on that, though!:jonas:

Miroslav
October 29th, 2009, 04:05 AM
Did I miss about 17 episodes of the build up between Chloe and Scott?? Last I saw she just touched his hand when he almost died and the next thing they instantly go to each other and its automatic bonking time when certain death is imminent.


Yeah, that is characteristicaly for the quality porn. :cameron:

Alder
October 29th, 2009, 04:18 AM
...I think Coronach said that he seems like an okay guy and where does all the hatred come from. I can't say about the hatred, because I don't. Hate him. I just couldn't care less, which, for a TV character, is bad...
And out of so many character flaws...they chose the most commonly used and the least interesting to watch week in, week out.
Meh.
This. I'm just not terribly interested in the guy (yet). So far it feels as if you could've swapped him out for any other young leutenant, and you wouldn't notice the difference. Other than three out of five episodes dealing with some aspect of his love life...

slurredspeech
October 29th, 2009, 07:54 AM
Apart from banging two of the hottest girls onboard, being one of the leaders in a strained situation, discovering the substance that provided air for their ship and flying the shuttle you mean?

None of those things were captivating to me, no. Or better yet, in none of those situations did Scott captivate my attention. The weird thing is, Greer had me more interested just by knocking the guy out/preparing for his death; or Young and his conversations with Rush and Greer. All those scenes made me want more of those characters, made me care. Scott's haven't.


So far it feels as if you could've swapped him out for any other young leutenant, and you wouldn't notice the difference. Other than three out of five episodes dealing with some aspect of his love life...

That's what I meant when I said expendable. Thank you. :)

eliteaceman
October 29th, 2009, 08:54 AM
I didn't read this whole post but, I read that this was orignally suppose to be later in the series when it was written and moved forward later... maybe there was suppose to be more build up in the relationship?



"Brad Wright shifts gears after putting out both 'Darkness' and 'Light,' looking to hammer down the story for episode 13."
(Writer-producer Joseph Mallozzi, in a post at his blog)


Unless i misread that... which i might have

Coronach
October 29th, 2009, 09:21 AM
I didn't read this whole post but, I read that this was orignally suppose to be later in the series when it was written and moved forward later... maybe there was suppose to be more build up in the relationship?

Unless i misread that... which i might have

I think you read it wrong. I think contextually it means "Brad Wright has finished work on "Darkness" and "Light", and is now switching to the next episode that he's schedule to write...episode 13".

:)

SupremeLegate
October 29th, 2009, 09:27 AM
Reading the post now, the Chloe/Scott parts are below:



Dasndanger writes: “It seems many of the complaints about the Chloe/Scott thing revolve around the speed with which the two came together. I do understand how some could feel that it was a bit rushed. The problem? A lack of verbal communication with the audience. A way to resolve the problem? It would have been very easy to include a short scene between Chloe and Eli where she confides in him that she is attracted to someone – and Eli, of course, would jump to the conclusion it’s him. This way the audience is prepared for the reveal when Scott takes Chloe’s hand…and it would have also made Eli’s hurt more profound.”

Answer: Sure, we could have done that. Or had either Chloe or Scott clearly state in one of their bonding scenes: “I’m really falling for you!”. Or had another character comment: “Looks like those two are getting together.” I’ve always been of the opinion that viewers don’t need to be spoon fed and are fully capable of connecting the dots. Show; don’t tell.


I actualy agree with that.



duneknight writes: “i dont think eli or Scott had enough time to actually have real feelings for chloe. did you push this love triangle early on to grab as many viewers possible from the beginning? otherwise there was no need to introduce this relationship at this time.”

Answer: There was no need to make the corridor lights blue or put T.J.’s hair up rather than cut it short, but we did it anyway.


So what? They did it this way simply becuase they could?



Joesmom writes: “There is a huge difference between romance and sex. We just hope the writers realize this.”

Answer: Absolutely. It’s like the difference between a rose petal-strewn bed and the cold linoleum of a bathroom floor.


Interesting choice of music for the scene then.



Brooke writes: “Women like guys who are sensitive and caring (like Scott shows after Chloe’s dad dies), but not guys who move pretty quickly from one girl to another.”

Answer: Right. You know who thinks this way? Sensitive and caring guys.


I hate to say it, but he is right. At least until they are over 30, then it is a toss up.



Genevieve also writes: “Does Chloe actually know that Eli feels more romantically towards her than she does towards him?”

Answer: That remains to be seen.


In my experiance women tend to be dense in this regard, i'd like a scene where Eli goes off on her about how oblivoius she is.

Alder
October 29th, 2009, 11:00 AM
Brooke writes: “Women like guys who are sensitive and caring (like Scott shows after Chloe’s dad dies), but not guys who move pretty quickly from one girl to another.”

Answer: Right. You know who thinks this way? Sensitive and caring guys.
Woaaaaaaah, hold your horses? Who said that?

1) Huge generalisation.
2) What about sensitive and caring gals? Does he really believe we all want the love 'em and leave 'em caveman? 'Cause not so much.

(I'm not very keen on how this sounds like, "What, you didn't enjoy Scott getting it on with one woman in the opening episode, hallucinating about getting a different one pregnant in the next, and then sleeping with another one two episodes later? Well, that's 'cause you're a 'sensitive' wuss..." No, it's because we're grown-ups.)

Linda06
October 29th, 2009, 11:16 AM
I would have thought they'd have learned from the McKeller fiasco but it seems they are intent in repeating it :rolleyes:

jelgate
October 29th, 2009, 11:23 AM
I would have thought they'd have learned from the McKeller fiasco but it seems they are intent in repeating it :rolleyes:

I don't know. The McKeller ship was intended to be mature adult ship. Obviously they failed on that. The Chloe/Scott thing so far has intended to be something less cloudy and less mature. So I'm not quite sure on this one yet.

Linda06
October 29th, 2009, 11:31 AM
I don't know. The McKeller ship was intended to be mature adult ship. Obviously they failed on that. The Chloe/Scott thing so far has intended to be something less cloudy and less mature. So I'm not quite sure on this one yet.

Yep but they were both outta no where. They just suddenly......Appeared :S

jelgate
October 29th, 2009, 11:32 AM
Yep but they were both outta no where. They just suddenly......Appeared :S

Which does happen in the real world

SupremeLegate
October 29th, 2009, 11:39 AM
Woaaaaaaah, hold your horses? Who said that?

1) Huge generalisation.
2) What about sensitive and caring gals? Does he really believe we all want the love 'em and leave 'em caveman? 'Cause not so much.

(I'm not very keen on how this sounds like, "What, you didn't enjoy Scott getting it on with one woman in the opening episode, hallucinating about getting a different one pregnant in the next, and then sleeping with another one two episodes later? Well, that's 'cause you're a 'sensitive' wuss..." No, it's because we're grown-ups.)

To be honest it has been my experiance that women tend to say they want the nice guy, but they always tend to go for a tough guy while the nice guy is shoved into the Firends Zone.

Though this does seem to mainly apply to women in their early to mid 20s.

But I admit that I have limited experiance with women.


But I am content to at least see how this relationship is developed.

Linda06
October 29th, 2009, 11:48 AM
Which does happen in the real world

Well Chloe and Scott just had sex, that happens in the real world. But SGAMcKay declaring his undying love completely from no where? That was a bit far fetched :p

Egle01
October 29th, 2009, 01:33 PM
::Reads Weblog::

So the hot guy gets the hot girl and the nice guy gets the shaft, I am getting really SICK of that senerio.Another comparison to SGA, but for an example - that didn't happen in Atlantis. Keller the girl chose McKay the geek over Ronon the cool guy.

More on topic - their relationship in "Light" seemed to move very quickly. When I watched "Air" 1-3 again, I noticed how Scott comforted her after her father died. And Chloe was there for him after coming back from the sand planet. Okay, that turned into Scott comforting Chloe, again. My point is - before the re-watch their relationship felt out of nowhere. After watching - not so much.

Arga
October 29th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Another comparison to SGA, but for an example - that didn't happen in Atlantis. Keller the girl chose McKay the geek over Ronon the cool guy.




Haha it's true! I just realise now.
Maybe that's why in my subconscious I found this relationship "artificial"..

SupremeLegate
October 29th, 2009, 02:11 PM
More on topic - their relationship in "Light" seemed to move very quickly. When I watched "Air" 1-3 again, I noticed how Scott comforted her after her father died. And Chloe was there for him after coming back from the sand planet. Okay, that turned into Scott comforting Chloe, again. My point is - before the re-watch their relationship felt out of nowhere. After watching - not so much.


I came to the same conclusion, after much debate and review I realized that prior to "Light" there had been a budding relationship there, so it makes since that with the impending death that the relationship would accelorate.

My theory now is that the Scott/Chloe relationship is a "short" term thing, I figure by the end of this season, or more likely somewhere next season, the relationship will come to an end.

This gives both Eli and Chloe, and yes Scott too but I don't really care about him, to mature and grow. This is most likely a pipe dream, but I hope they will grow as characters, grow closer, and then we get the Chloe/Eli relationship.

ARealArchaeologist
October 30th, 2009, 10:27 AM
I wonder if she actually had the affair with Telford and Young has been protecting her, even though he would have thought it a terrible decision for her to involve herself with Telford. She did know it was Telford in Yong's body without him saying so. People see the closeness between TJ and Young and think affair, but i wonder if it is more father/daughter. He seems like the kind of man who wants kids, but his career can't accomidate them. I think he would protect TJ as much as he can.

To another post. I also think the normal rules of engagement will be suspended. I'm sure as long as Scott and James behaved and not let emotions affect their duties that Young would allow it. He knows this is a hard situation to be in.



when she's in it so much, it's hard... :S :p

but how about concentrating on the other women in the cast!? oh wait, i forgot we have to *explore* the lesbian one... :rolleyes:

k, that leaves tj, the medic. oh wait, she's supposedly had an affair with young! hmm, i wonder if any woman on this show is there for just herself, not to be *explored by sex*? :mckay:

wait, there's james!

wait, she's *explored* by sexing it up with scott!

i think i'll go play in another less ticking off for me thread. :p

Infinite-Possibilities
October 31st, 2009, 02:03 AM
It totally did seem like it was out of nowhere. All they had were like two scenes together. At least two of them together alone. All I remember is he asked her about her father and then she had a little moment with him when he returned from the planet. Those were nice, but why are we supposed to believe they feel at all close enough to have sex? At least in Cloe's case. Since she "feels closer to him than anyone else in her life". Are we supposed to believe it all happened off screen? THAT sure speaks a lot to how seriously they expect anyone to take their depiction of the relationship. Even if we accept that they are just two young people that want to have sex, there was no specific build up to that scene in particular. They listened to Young tell them they were all about to fly to a star and went to have sex. There was no decision we saw them make to the effect of "Well, we will probably be dead soon so lets live for the moment." They just wordlessly decided to copulate.

SupremeLegate
October 31st, 2009, 05:44 AM
It totally did seem like it was out of nowhere. All they had were like two scenes together. At least two of them together alone. All I remember is he asked her about her father and then she had a little moment with him when he returned from the planet. Those were nice, but why are we supposed to believe they feel at all close enough to have sex? At least in Cloe's case. Since she "feels closer to him than anyone else in her life". Are we supposed to believe it all happened off screen? THAT sure speaks a lot to how seriously they expect anyone to take their depiction of the relationship. Even if we accept that they are just two young people that want to have sex, there was no specific build up to that scene in particular. They listened to Young tell them they were all about to fly to a star and went to have sex. There was no decision we saw them make to the effect of "Well, we will probably be dead soon so lets live for the moment." They just wordlessly decided to copulate.

Well I can actualy understand the why behind their moving to suddenly, which I think actualy makes my dislike of the realtionship worse.

Simply: Up through Darkness we saw the budding begining of their relationship, then in Light when they thought they were going to die they simply went to the natural conclusion of what had begun.

I like to think of the whole thing like this, the Chloe/Scott relationship give both Chloe and Eli time to grow as characters, so that later they can get togeather.


p.s. Does anyone know how to send questions to Joseph Mallozzi’s Weblog mailbag? Cuase I have several and I have no idea where to send them.

Linda06
October 31st, 2009, 07:12 AM
It totally did seem like it was out of nowhere. All they had were like two scenes together. At least two of them together alone. All I remember is he asked her about her father and then she had a little moment with him when he returned from the planet. Those were nice, but why are we supposed to believe they feel at all close enough to have sex? At least in Cloe's case. Since she "feels closer to him than anyone else in her life". Are we supposed to believe it all happened off screen? THAT sure speaks a lot to how seriously they expect anyone to take their depiction of the relationship. Even if we accept that they are just two young people that want to have sex, there was no specific build up to that scene in particular. They listened to Young tell them they were all about to fly to a star and went to have sex. There was no decision we saw them make to the effect of "Well, we will probably be dead soon so lets live for the moment." They just wordlessly decided to copulate.

But this is Stargate, everything of importance happens off screen :p