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GateWorld
October 21st, 2009, 02:10 PM
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Magnus awakens in the ruins of a sanctuary with no memory of how the facility and city were laid to waste. An encounter with a savage creature and a cold rendezvous with Will lead to a shocking revelation. <I>(TV Guide)</I>

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Skydiver
November 6th, 2009, 06:58 PM
wow, so good.

'it's a wonderful life' with a HUGE twist. Sanctuary does Zombies...and a glimpse at the tremendous cost of one woman's grief.

very cool, the spirit thingie communicating with her.

great sean connery immitation :)

AtlantisRules!!!
November 6th, 2009, 07:02 PM
All I can say is: Wow.

Possibly my new favorite episode :P

Replicator Todd
November 6th, 2009, 07:07 PM
My favorite episode so far, just amazing! Seems a week late though! :P

Mandysg1
November 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM
All I can say....is WOW what a great episode!

ok maybe a bit more ;)

The episode started off with a very eerie feeling, with Helen waking up on the floor and the way they filmed it in black & white. The journey we took with Helen, you could really feel her terror. The monsters were more than your average zombies with the cool effect of their tongues :eek:

What was the most shocking was Helen finding out she was patient zero, and the entity was a very cool mysterious effect, following Helen, showing her what needed to be seen.

Oh and the scariest thing about the episode was....

Will's hair :P

MissCheerfully
November 6th, 2009, 07:16 PM
OMGOMGOMGOMG!! A Will/Kate child????? WTF!
How could they could have got together? Nubbins tribe???!

Anyway, this episode, is my favorite of all! It was just awesome, and wow... just the beginning was breathtaking Oo ....I was hoping more Helen/Will stuff... and not expecting.... well what we learned... about Kate.

Mandysg1
November 6th, 2009, 07:24 PM
OMGOMGOMGOMG!! A Will/Kate child????? WTF!
How could they could have got together? Nubbins tribe???!

Anyway, this episode, is my favorite of all! It was just awesome, and wow... just the beginning was breathtaking Oo ....I was hoping more Helen/Will stuff... and not expecting.... well what we learned... about Kate.

I think in this case the reason Will and Kate got together was because they were fighting side by side through all the devastation and most of their friends were probably dead, so they would naturally turn to each other.

EvenstarSRV
November 6th, 2009, 07:38 PM
wow, so good.

'it's a wonderful life' with a HUGE twist. Sanctuary does Zombies...and a glimpse at the tremendous cost of one woman's grief.

very cool, the spirit thingie communicating with her.

great sean connery immitation :)

That was a very interesting aspect, Helen was so devastated by Ashley's death that she went searching for something to, in a way, end her own life.

It does make it seem like this ep was suppose to come before Hero, though I guess they didn't want 4 dark/intense episodes in a row.

Very good ep, though I figured it was all a dream/hallucination pretty early on. :)

ann_sgcfan
November 6th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Very good episode! I really enjoyed it! I never considered her to be patient zero... that was great! :D Also the smoke/spirit element was cool, because of what it revealed to be in the end. I didn't pay much attention to it at first :P

Also I liked that Ashley's death was the reason why Helen went searching for the artifact. And that search would ultimately cause the human race to become extent in her quest to end her longevity. The destruction of the Sanctuary looked great with the CGI -they did a good job! The transformation of Will in the apocalyptic world was very believable. He was making hard decisions he would not have otherwise made thanks to a war torn world he lived in. And awww :D little two year old Magnus running around. Will and Kate were the only ones left after Helen died three years ago and John two weeks after her. The reaction Helen had when she returned to the Sanctuary was right on the mark. Great episode. :D

Rocky89
November 6th, 2009, 08:05 PM
Wow what an amazing, phenomenal episode. ;)

I thought it was really nice of Helen fighting to save that little girl, even when it looked hopeless. But I loved the Helen fighting scenes, the way she kicked butt was wicked. ;) The zombies I thought were cool, they reminded my of the aliens for... Aliens with the tongue/mouth. :p

I thought Robin was also great, you could tell this is what a person would be after years of living in hell on Earth, and I think he hit right on the nose :). It was quite a twist to learn that Will and Kate had a kid, and that he named him Magnus :). It was interesting hearing what happened to Henry, John, Kate and the big guy, at least they fought to the end. But what was really shocking was learning that Helen was patient zero :eek:. But when all was said and done, everything was back to normal, and so where Helen and Will.

Oh and OMG OMG OMG OMJG! I couldn't believe what happened to Helen when those guys took her away and hosed her down like that :eek: I had so many things going through me, I was really shocked to see that happening to her, I was a little scared because I didn't know what they were going to do.

I have to say Amanda was SUPER brave doing that scene, that goes beyond anything I've ever seen her do. I know she's always been nervous to do those things, but that was really brave, and I'm very proud of her. :) That was the first time I've seen that happen to Helen, things like that never even happened to Sam. Helen was so disrespected it was hard to watch, I really can't say enough, she was just so amazing and so believable in that one scene, I actually had real for for what could have happened to her. Bravo Amanda, that was one hell of a performance.

AresLover452
November 6th, 2009, 08:09 PM
I got a real Resident Evil vibe from this eppy and it was awesome!! i wasn't able to catch all of it, but I saw most and it rocked. Crazy angry Will was like... WHOA.... and I feel a little bad that Kate died. Poor news about Big Guy, and Noble about what happened to Druitt.


All in all this eppy was really good. First thing I thought when I saw it was that Magnus was having a psychedelic trippy dream or something. Again this was very good and very dark. i loved it!!

AresLover452
November 6th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Oh and OMG OMG OMG OMJG! I couldn't believe what happened to Helen when those guy took her away and hosed her down like that :eek: I had so many things going through me, I was really shocked to see that happening to her, I was a little scared because I didn't know what they were going to do.

I have to say Amanda was SUPER brave doing that scene, that goes beyond anything I've ever seen her do. I know she's always been nervous to do those things, but that was really brave, and I'm very proud of her. :) That was the first time I've seen that happen to Helen, things like that never even happened to Sam. Helen was so disrespected it was hard to watch, I really can't say enough, she was just so amazing and so believable in that one scene, I actually had real for for what could have happened to her. Bravo Amanda, that was one hell of a performance.


That was amazing of her and how she played that. i though WTF!!! How can do that to her?!!!! It was mind blowing.

suse
November 6th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Loved the ep. :)

I was expecting something more about Helen's psyche instead of what we got with the warning from the abnormal, but WOW!

Very affecting. That hosing down was scary.

suse

Mack_1
November 6th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Amazing Episode!!!

Totally a fav epi now:)

I have to re-watch it so I can give my “fair” opinion I was working and got 15 min. into the episode; but for what I saw it was awesome.

Agree this episode should have come up as episode #4 but I also agree, that would have make 4 very sad and dark episodes; not that I wouldn’t watch:sam:

Will becoming the dark and hard persona he became was hard to see but understandable after all he went through and he kept firing till the end and the one quality I love about him was his loyalty and thrust in Helen even though he treated her the way he did in the beginning.

Will and Kate surprise, also agree with the reasoning of how they got together; out of desperation and grief the baby’s name totally awesome.
Alien entity protecting the tomb and the elixir really cool and the way it show Helen what her actions would bring were fantastic.

The last scene I thought Helen was about to hug Will, very touchy scene and at the same time emotional.

Ok I’m off for now.

Rocky89
November 6th, 2009, 08:15 PM
All I can say....is WOW what a great episode!

ok maybe a bit more ;)

The episode started off with a very eerie feeling, with Helen waking up on the floor and the way they filmed it in black & white. The journey we took with Helen, you could really feel her terror. The monsters were more than your average zombies with the cool effect of their tongues :eek:

What was the most shocking was Helen finding out she was patient zero, and the entity was a very cool mysterious effect, following Helen, showing her what needed to be seen.

Oh and the scariest thing about the episode was....

Will's hair :P

No, no, no, Mandy what really scared me was that scene when they hosed down Helen. :( Such a sad and disrespectful moment for Helen. :(

Amanda should get an award for this episode. ;)

dasNdanger
November 6th, 2009, 09:02 PM
Excellent episode!! I was on the edge of my seat the entire time! Just great - and the scene where Helen got hosed down - daaaaaaamn. THAT was intense! Really good stuff.

But...
Did Will have...a MULLET??! :S

Loved it. This is what I want sci fi to be all about! Adventure, suspense, scary stuff! I was a bit disappointed with Peyton Place...erm...I mean, Universe, tonight. ;) The relationship stuff is starting to drown out the sci fi stuff. :(


das

badwolfSG
November 6th, 2009, 09:23 PM
I think this was the most powerful episode yet! I mean Helen was looking for a way to kill herself b/c of Ashley of death... If that doesn't say powerful, well then we could always just add a few zombies...

Anyone else really hate the noise the zombies things made? Evertime I hear the sound I was just wishing it would stop...

Okay, biggest shocker in this episode Will and Kate... Seriously! I just can't see those two together!

P.S. Scariest thing I saw in this episode was Will hair....

Mack_1
November 6th, 2009, 09:41 PM
I can’t believe this; I watched it again and I’m bawling my eyes out, that last scene still gets me; when Helen acknowledged she is the one that cause the end of humanity.

When she is in her office you can perceive Helen’s sadness and pain, maybe she is thinking of Ashley; since that’s why this all stared, maybe she is thinking of all the thinks she lost and gain in just days; who knows but that scene is just awesome.

When Helen goes to where her abnormals where you can feel the pain she feels watching the destruction.

I totally agree, that hosing down scene is out of this world Amada did a terrific job and I admired her more for that, the degradation and the insult to her persona only helps you to feel upset and anger for her.

I like the split scenes; I know some of you don’t like them, but they work for me and the sequences they show.

Love that coat!...so her

Some quotes:

Helen: “What the hell are you doing here?”
Will: “Bleeding”
---
Will: “Scare you?”
Jessica: “Only when I see your face”
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Will: “Magnus if she turns they’ll come!”
Helen: “Then; I suggest you leave” he leaves and then returns Hey Will!!
--
Will: “You are piss”

----

The Sanctuary moments that brought back SG-1 to my mind (not meaning to make this an SG-1 discussion)

Jessica MITCHELL:cameron:

Helen picking up wires and instruments to make her computer work and the fixing it and sitting in front of it = Sam Carter.:sam:

The colony in the Arctic:hammond:

AresLover452
November 6th, 2009, 09:52 PM
Helen picking up wires and instruments to make her computer work and the fixing it and sitting in front of it = Sam Carter.:sam:



I was like Sam Carter is back when I saw her fixing that puter... lol!!

Amalthea
November 6th, 2009, 09:56 PM
Good episode... somewhat strange, somewhat "I am Legend" but better.

So the whole time, my SG1 trained brain is debating, "Different dimension or teleported into the future?" I couldn't get a grasp on how much time had passed, so that kept me guessing, which is good.

It was interesting for me that what Helen experienced in the future turned out to be caused by her desire to end her life. I always felt that in the webisodes, ending her life/"curing" her immortality, was a constant desire for Helen because she was afraid to outlive Ashley (although that was never explicitly stated). I was wondering what she was going to do now that she had outlived her before the show started, and then there it was.

The parts in the future were interesting. Kate and Will was an interesting concept- he didn't say so much that they were married, just that they had a kid. Young Magnus was likely born out of the simple need of his parents to be together because they were familiar to each other after having lost so many friends. I'm not sure if an actual relationship would develop between them in a the non-crisis timeline.

So overall, I liked it. I think it should have been episode 4, though.

AresLover452
November 6th, 2009, 10:02 PM
It would have done better as Eppy four I agree with you Almathea

majorsal
November 6th, 2009, 10:04 PM
i'm make my shorty comment here (very tired), but HOLY CRAP!!

the shower scene was *so* intense i almost wanted to cry!

amanda was wonderful!! :samanime51:

i'm sooooooooooooooo glad she's got this show!! :D


k, off to bed, then i'll read this thread and talk about this a LOT. :p

EvenstarSRV
November 6th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Loved the ep. :)

I was expecting something more about Helen's psyche instead of what we got with the warning from the abnormal, but WOW!

Very affecting. That hosing down was scary.


I was cringing through that scene, props to the AT and the others for pulling it off so realistically. That could not have been comfortable to shoot.

But I think Will stole this ep for me, the look, all the emotions of seeing the world die around him but still finding the strength to keep fighting, and the wink at the end to Helen, kudos to RD for a great performance.

I also thought the set decoration and lighting were fantastic, especially Helen's office, and it was cool to see it back into pristine order at the end.

And it was really nice to get the reference to Ashley and see that Helen is still dealing with her death. I wonder if they'll continue this thread of Helen trying to find a cure to her longevity, or if this experience will stop her from looking.

AresLover452
November 6th, 2009, 10:08 PM
totally AGREE about the shower scene.... it was like HOLY FRAKKING CRAP!!!!

AnnieS
November 6th, 2009, 10:24 PM
HOLY HANNAH that was a dark episode.

And no Henry, BOO!!!

badwolfSG
November 6th, 2009, 10:36 PM
Good episode... somewhat strange, somewhat "I am Legend" but better.

So the whole time, my SG1 trained brain is debating, "Different dimension or teleported into the future?" I couldn't get a grasp on how much time had passed, so that kept me guessing, which is good.


I was so sure it was alternate dimension(that was my first though when seeing the previews), about half way throw I tanked that idea. My plan B was she was infact in the future... My brain just couldn't gat around the idea it was present time, until the very end.

Rocky89
November 6th, 2009, 10:38 PM
That was amazing of her and how she played that. i though WTF!!! How can do that to her?!!!! It was mind blowing.


Loved the ep. :)

I was expecting something more about Helen's psyche instead of what we got with the warning from the abnormal, but WOW!

Very affecting. That hosing down was scary.

suse


Excellent episode!! I was on the edge of my seat the entire time! Just great - and the scene where Helen got hosed down - daaaaaaamn. THAT was intense! Really good stuff.

But...
Did Will have...a MULLET??! :S

Loved it. This is what I want sci fi to be all about! Adventure, suspense, scary stuff! I was a bit disappointed with Peyton Place...erm...I mean, Universe, tonight. ;) The relationship stuff is starting to drown out the sci fi stuff. :(


das


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I totally agree, that hosing down scene is out of this world Amada did a terrific job and I admired her more for that, the degradation and the insult to her persona only helps you to feel upset and anger for her.

I like the split scenes; I know some of you don’t like them, but they work for me and the sequences they show.


i'm make my shorty comment here (very tired), but HOLY CRAP!!

the shower scene was *so* intense i almost wanted to cry!

amanda was wonderful!! :samanime51:

i'm sooooooooooooooo glad she's got this show!! :D

k, off to bed, then i'll read this thread and talk about this a LOT. :p


I was cringing through that scene, props to the AT and the others for pulling it off so realistically. That could not have been comfortable to shoot.


totally AGREE about the shower scene.... it was like HOLY FRAKKING CRAP!!!!

OMG I agree with all of you, SO many things were going through me at once. Like I said before I was actually very afraid for Helen when they started ripping her clothes off because I didn't know how far it would go, I mean I was actually covering my mouth with my hands. It was so freaking hard to see her like that, being so degraded and disrespected like that, it could make people cry. :( I honestly feel that was the most painful, most intense and powerful Helen moment EVER on the show.

Major props to Amanda because I know that must not have been comfortable to do, but it was very brave of her to do something like that, and it's something we've never seen her do for her, and she was nothing short of terrific. She's proven once again how amazing of an actress she can be, and how much courage she has within herself. I can't wait to hear Amanda talk about it on a podcat. Every time I think she can't amaze me anymore, she does over, and over and over, and it's only a matter of time before she amazes m again. I have nothing but respect and appreciation for you as a person and an actress. :)

BRAVO AMANDA! http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps-5.gif

AresLover452
November 6th, 2009, 11:18 PM
something else is going to stay in my mind. i liked when Will mentioned Druitt and how he teleported a Nuke into a most heavily infected area, thus ending his life, but only because two weeks prior Helen had died.

I was watching Helen's face and the way her face registered shock and sadness was touching and my shipper brain is having a field day with it.

kes
November 7th, 2009, 01:01 AM
I think this ep just became one of my faves if not my fave. The start is so powerfull. The resolution is a bit iffy but I think thats cos its just 1 ep instead of a 2 part or an extended ep.
Wouldnt that be great? if in the DVD it was like 60m :D
And I love the fact that they used the looking for a cure for her longevity like Magnus was in the webis and mention Ash like they should.

The effects look awesome and the set look brilliant. RD was right seeing Magnus ofice like that...wow!

My only problem:
It deserved more then 43 m. It had a lot of story that they could've shown.

Also it would've been an awesome ep for Ash dont you think?
Just like Kush or Requiem.Shame.

On a side note: They were shooting the last scene when those girls did the road trip and meet AT, RD, MW and DK at the studio. Wonder what happen for them to be shooting a scene from ep 5 near the end of shooting.

kes
November 7th, 2009, 01:05 AM
OMGOMGOMGOMG!! A Will/Kate child????? WTF!
How could they could have got together? Nubbins tribe???!

Anyway, this episode, is my favorite of all! It was just awesome, and wow... just the beginning was breathtaking Oo ....I was hoping more Helen/Will stuff... and not expecting.... well what we learned... about Kate.


When he said "We had a child."
I was like WTF?! And then "Kate and I." And I'm like oh thank GOD!
And then WTF?! Kate?!

sandra-carter
November 7th, 2009, 02:38 AM
:sam::sam::sam:Good:

I loved this ep, I was a little shocked when they took a hose to Magnus,
Amanda Tapping was actually 10 stars, the reaction, and the fear in her face was very noticeable.

Also liked when Will touched her and she was terrified, they really spooking it.
Mention Ashley was great, saying she wanted to end the longevity because she could not live without her daughter.:(

I noticed some pain in the face of Helen when Will said that Druitt had died, her reaction was unmistakable ... I also anticipate a certain romance in the air, a priori amanda said she (Helen) would have some thing with jonh .. maybe yes maybe not ... (I hope so)

The final scene very good, a vision of her office is not beautiful?
she looked at the picture of Ashley, and noted that it will stay that way in an attempt to end the longevity.:)

bad:

the only thing I can say is that I wish I could see John enter the room or so and she gave him a hug ... 'd really be exciting to observe this moment romantic


note: Is not a show when Mr. Damien Kindler writes the episodes are so good, well written, structured ... well he can explore the characters especially Helen who this season is more... receptive.:cool:

Amanda is something you could not do?absolutely brilliant, it's just a matter of time before she surprised me again.

I look forward to the episode "Veritas" will be a total revolution .... kisses

MissCheerfully
November 7th, 2009, 03:22 AM
When he said "We had a child."
I was like WTF?! And then "Kate and I." And I'm like oh thank GOD!
And then WTF?! Kate?!

Same here! I thought exactly the same xD
But I guess I would have been less chocked if it was a Helen/Will child ...LOL
I agree with the others, if Will and Kate got together was because they were alone, and I'm sure Will already began to changed of what he was on the ep, looking more like Kate.

BTW, I have to say that I'm not going to forget the shower scene. Holy crap, Amanda was gorgeous. I was so afraid of what could happen when I saw the guys riping her clothes, I had read the spoilers before but, the scene was so intense, I couldn't stop worry how far it could have go. I was literally stuck in place, and when the scene ended, I was having tear in my eyes! Amanda really impressed me, I've heard the podcast, she said it was the hardest thing she never been asked to do... I can understand! Wood added that everybody was uncomfortable watching her in this state. Damn, Amanda is the grestest actress I know, BRAVO, BRAVO!
Amanda tu es la meilleure! I really think it. ^^

siles
November 7th, 2009, 04:25 AM
A very good episode, with only two draw-backs:
1. The title was a bit of a give-away if someone knows what pavor nocturnus is.
2. This episode should have followed "Eulogy" instead of "Hero" as it would have been much more poignant.

doylefan22
November 7th, 2009, 06:29 AM
I'm not quite as enamoured of this episode as some where. It was very good but there were a few things that bothered me:

1 - Helen's reaction to first finding herself in the ruined Sanctuary. We all know she takes everything in her stride, but even Helen Magnus would have been more affected by seeing her life's work in ruins. I was expecting much more shock and fear, even if it was just an initial reaction before she pulled herself together. I thought that was a slight mis-step in directing and/or writing.

2 - The fact that Helen was essentially looking to kill herself was all but brushed over. I thought the idea of her looking for a cure to her abnormality was such a big plot point that it deserved more build up than the 'oh I was searching for a way to stop living' quick explanation that it got. It would have been so much more powerful if hints had been dropped before, if we'd had Helen saying explicitly in previous episodes that she was tired of out living everyone, hinting at her planning something like this or even saying the she was researching a personal matter. It felt like a wasted opportunity. It may have worked better though if this episode had directly followed Eulogy.

3 - It would have been nice to have some info on what happened to Tesla. I'm not a fangirl of his but I couldn't help but wonder what he would have done in the situation - fought or hidden away?

4 - The bloody split screen. I actually quite like the effect but it was way overused in this episode. In some situations it was well utilised (showing simultaneously what Helen and Will were doing) and in some it felt utterly gratuitous. Less is more me thinks.

It was a well shot and well acted episode. It was interesting to see the possible future with the zombie apocalypse...sorry, I mean cannibals. :D

I loved the notion that we eventually discovered it was all Helen's fault, that she was patient zero. Very powerful stuff. I loved the notion that the first people she calls for are Will and Henry - her boys :) The Will/Kate stuff was a bit WTF but, as others have pointed out, made sense in the extreme circumstances. It was heartbreaking to here what happened to all the others.

As I said, a very good episode but a few things that stopped it being great in my eyes.

jckfan55
November 7th, 2009, 06:58 AM
My quick take:

The good:

Quite a harrowing time for Helen, especially early on. Helen overpowered was quite terrible to see. I thought it was quite powerful. But she was fighting the whole time.

Wonderful to see the idea that she wants a cure for her longevity after Ashley. ETA: I agree with doylefan that this felt brushed over too quickly. Helen's comment was made maybe a bit too lightly? But then again, by that time in the ep, she believes it's been 10 years since Ashley died..
Hmmm... I'm not sure how you could have addressed the issue in this episode w/out beating the audience over the head.

A Magnus & Will episode. (I wonder if after the success of Requiem tptb decided to do another on to capitalize on them working together).

(No Kate).


Even though you knew it was somehow going to be reset, just mysterious enough re: the final resolution.

Helen's coat. ;)

The bad:

Zombies. Really? :rolleyes: But I'll forgive them. ;)

Will's hair extensions. :D

SamJackShipper93
November 7th, 2009, 07:09 AM
Great episode! At the end, it really reminded me of SG-1's "Absolute Power" with Daniel and Shifu. For some reason, I predicted that Helen was patient zero so it wasn't a big surprise for me (can't remember when/why I predicted that.). Loved the moments with Will at the end, but I wish that the other characters where there as well.


Oh and OMG OMG OMG OMJG! I couldn't believe what happened to Helen when those guy took her away and hosed her down like that :eek: I had so many things going through me, I was really shocked to see that happening to her, I was a little scared because I didn't know what they were going to do.

I have to say Amanda was SUPER brave doing that scene, that goes beyond anything I've ever seen her do. I know she's always been nervous to do those things, but that was really brave, and I'm very proud of her. :) That was the first time I've seen that happen to Helen, things like that never even happened to Sam. Helen was so disrespected it was hard to watch, I really can't say enough, she was just so amazing and so believable in that one scene, I actually had real for for what could have happened to her. Bravo Amanda, that was one hell of a performance.

First off, major bravos to Amanda! That scene was so scary. So intense.

Regarding the shower scene, I'm just confused as to why. Were they checking to see if she was infected or something? :confused:


OMG I agree with all of you, SO many things were going through me at once. Like I said before I was actually very afraid for Helen when they started ripping her clothes off because I didn't know how far it would go, I mean I was actually covering my mouth with my hands. It was so freaking hard to see her like that, being so degraded and disrespected like that, it could make people cry. :( I honestly feel that was the most painful, most intense and and powerful Helen moment EVER on the show.

Definetely agree!


something else is going to stay in my mind. i liked when Will mentioned Druitt and how he teleported a Nuke into a most heavily infected area, thus ending his life, but only because two weeks prior Helen had died.

I was watching Helen's face and the way her face registered shock and sadness was touching and my shipper brain is having a field day with it.

Oh, mine too! Poor John. That would have been terrible for him to lose Helen. :(


When he said "We had a child."
I was like WTF?! And then "Kate and I." And I'm like oh thank GOD!
And then WTF?! Kate?!

LOL, me too! My heart skipped a beat and I was like "WHAT?" And then they said Kate and I was a little better. Sorry to Helen/Will shippers, but I can't see them together at all.

And regarding Kate/Will, I'm having a hard time seeing them either. I was pegging more of a Kate/Henry romance.


A very good episode, with only two draw-backs:
1. The title was a bit of a give-away if someone knows what pavor nocturnus is.
2. This episode should have followed "Eulogy" instead of "Hero" as it would have been much more poignant.

First, what is a Pavor Nocturnus?

Second, while I agree that this ep should have followed "Eulogy", I'm guessing they stuck "Hero" in there to break up all the angst. "End of Nights, Parts 1 and 2", "Hero", and "Pavor Nocturnus" all in one go could have used up the angst quota for this season! :D

jckfan55
November 7th, 2009, 07:21 AM
Second, while I agree that this ep should have followed "Eulogy", I'm guessing they stuck "Hero" in there to break up all the angst. "End of Nights, Parts 1 and 2", "Hero", and "Pavor Nocturnus" all in one go could have used up the angst quota for this season! :D

I think an episode in between would have been fine, but a more "normal" episode with a subdued Helen. Not a "comedy" episode.

Jeffer
November 7th, 2009, 07:49 AM
awesome ep i agree seems a week late but still amazing it was the high point of an otherwise dismal Friday night TV

EH-T
November 7th, 2009, 08:05 AM
Awesome episode.

Fabulous job by AT and RD. :weiranime17: I totally bought the "dark Will". Although the mullet was too scary. ;)

Loved the mention of Ashley and that her loss would drive Helen to want to end her longevity. That's the kind of thing I want, not entire eps mourning Ashley but some mention, some fallout.

The zombies made me think of old Mummy movies which I love.

The other scary moment? The thought of a Kate/Will child. Nice the child was called Magnus though.

MissCheerfully
November 7th, 2009, 08:19 AM
If I remember well, in latin 'Pavor' means 'fear' or 'dread' and 'nocturnus', easy, it's 'Noctural', so that's give something like 'Nocturnal Fear', so I agree with Siles who said the title was a bit of a give-away.

doylefan22
November 7th, 2009, 08:28 AM
If I remember well, in latin 'Pavor' means 'fear' or 'dread' and 'nocturnus', easy, it's 'Noctural', so that's give something like 'Nocturnal Fear', so I agree with Siles who said the title was a bit of a give-away.

I think it's the Latin name for night terrors so I was assuming a nightmares type thing - although that could mean several things. It could have been pointing to a vision/terrible nightmare, could have been referring to it being Helen's worst nightmare.

Interesting to speculate whether it was a proper future vision or whether it was a worst case scenario. Was the creature showing her what would definitely happen, or what could happen if she took it?

suse
November 7th, 2009, 08:30 AM
When he said "We had a child."
I was like WTF?! And then "Kate and I." And I'm like oh thank GOD!
And then WTF?! Kate?!


:lol: Me too.

Then I though about them losing so much. I tend to think the child was an accident, born out of grief. Wanted though. What a great name. Did anyone catch the middle name?

suse

WishIwasJoes
November 7th, 2009, 08:42 AM
OMGOMGOMGOMG!! A Will/Kate child????? WTF!
How could they could have got together? Nubbins tribe???!

Anyway, this episode, is my favorite of all! It was just awesome, and wow... just the beginning was breathtaking Oo ....I was hoping more Helen/Will stuff... and not expecting.... well what we learned... about Kate.

I am not a huge Helen/Will ship because of the age difference and the mentor factor just makes it too cheesy. However I though it would be cool if Ashley and Will started to like eachother and see how Helen would react if he did something that made ashley mad. :lol: I am guessing that this could have been an Ashley/Will thing. The thought of Kate and him together caused me to throw up a little.

:lol: nubbins tribe!

wurlitzer153
November 7th, 2009, 08:42 AM
I've heard the podcast, she said it was the hardest thing she never been asked to do...
Podcast is up already?

*checks podcast page*

Yes, yes it is!
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/podcasts.php

AtlantisRules!!!
November 7th, 2009, 08:43 AM
I hope the Will/Kate thing keeps up :P But it probably wont as was pointed out.. it was probably out of grief. Him for all of them and her for... Henry? Maybe?

so... do you think the spirit was foretelling the future... or was making it up to make Helen see what type of thing could happen?

Amalthea
November 7th, 2009, 08:54 AM
I'm with everyone about the shower scene. I can't believe I forgot to mention it in my first post! I think it was the screaming and the fighting that made it so powerful. I mean, of course she'd scream and fight, but because of how Amanda acted it, you could feel Helen's fear. You could feel that she believed they were going to rape her since, in her mind, there was no possible other reason to strip off her clothes like that. I sure believed it- and it was so powerful, I wasn't even thinking "Nah, they won't do that, there must be some other reason." I was totally caught up in what I was watching. Amanda amazes me!

WishIwasJoes
November 7th, 2009, 08:57 AM
I am all for an actress growing by why is it always with being nude? I am not saying she did a bad job, not at all. I just get tired of telling actors that being naked is a way to grow.

Omg I laughed at first when I saw will and his hair, but it didn;t last long. I agree that I wanted to know what was up with Tesla in the grand scheme of things.

suse
November 7th, 2009, 09:01 AM
I think it's the Latin name for night terrors so I was assuming a nightmares type thing - although that could mean several things. It could have been pointing to a vision/terrible nightmare, could have been referring to it being Helen's worst nightmare.

Interesting to speculate whether it was a proper future vision or whether it was a worst case scenario. Was the creature showing her what would definitely happen, or what could happen if she took it?

Considering how fast the Aztecs died out, I think it was likely it would happen.

Such rain! Makes sense, the Earth was now in a nuclear winter. It was at it's end.

So, was Jessica actually hurt by the creatures or was it her proximity to Helen that turned her? :lol: Typical teen with Will though.

"Were you scared?"
"Only when I saw your face."


suse

kes
November 7th, 2009, 09:11 AM
If I remember well, in latin 'Pavor' means 'fear' or 'dread' and 'nocturnus', easy, it's 'Noctural', so that's give something like 'Nocturnal Fear', so I agree with Siles who said the title was a bit of a give-away.


A very good episode, with only two draw-backs:
1. The title was a bit of a give-away if someone knows what pavor nocturnus is.
2. This episode should have followed "Eulogy" instead of "Hero" as it would have been much more poignant.

I think the tittle give as much away as the trailer did.
Nothing biggie.


Some post say Helen was trying to kill herself I disagree. She was looking for a cure to her logevity so she could age normally. I dont think thats the same as her trying to kill herself. Specially when a bullet would do that just fine.


Oh hey Ashley would've been a good name for the kid lol

suse
November 7th, 2009, 09:11 AM
I am all for an actress growing by why is it always with being nude? I am not saying she did a bad job, not at all. I just get tired of telling actors that being naked is a way to grow.



It was very affecting. Can you imagine how scared Helen was? In this case I didn't mind it.

Amanda knows nudity isn't the way to 'grow'. She doesn't do it. You only see parts of her skin. Yeah, the implication is there, but I seriously doubt the *she* was nude.

suse

jasminaGo
November 7th, 2009, 09:18 AM
Wow... Awesome ep. The washing scene just chilled me to the bone (it just screamed rape at me *shudders*). Great opening sequence. The view of the city crumbled to pieces was very powerful.

Favorite part was definitely the tie in to Ashley, how the knowledge that Helen's pain was the cause of everything that happened.
My shipper heart was doing a happy dance when Will said that John killed himself shortly after Helen's death, and the look of shock on her face.
I'm not usually Will's greatest fan, normally I just find him to be very dull, but he really won me over in this ep. You could see everything that has happened in the world through him.

The bad part: It was to damn short! :mckay: This was easily a two part material.


~1300 screencaps for the ep (didn't have time to clear out the bad ones)

204 Pavor Nocturnus.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/148004637/4a9dd94b/204_Pavor_Nocturnus.html)
And just ignore the fact that the file says 204, it should be 205.

sweetviviane
November 7th, 2009, 09:41 AM
I really liked the episode but the fact that Will and Kate fell in love with each other and had a child is such a no-go for me.

The revalation in the end was really shocking. I've never thought that Helen would be the reason for the whole chaos. And the fact that she was looking for something to shorten her life or to let her age like a normal person because she out lived so many loved ones (espacially Ashley) was sad :(

jasminaGo
November 7th, 2009, 09:47 AM
I really liked the episode but the fact that Will and Kate fell in love with each other and had a child is such a no-go for me.

The revalation in the end was really shocking. I've never thought that Helen would be the reason for the whole chaos. And the fact that she was looking for something to shorten her life or to let her age like a normal person because she out lived so many loved ones (espacially Ashley) was sad :(

I don't think there was ever any mention of love. I agree with what most said that they turned to each other in time of need, but I doubt it went as deep as love, at most it was convenience and desire. I found that part of the story to be an indicator as to how messed up things really were.

wkw427
November 7th, 2009, 09:47 AM
IMHO, this was one of the worst episodes of the season. It was just a spoof of ___ of the living dead movies, nothing more.

The spirit thingy stalking her and making her look at the future would of been just as dumb, the last 5 mins of the episode was just crap. It would of been better if she realized she was ground zero and the zombies obeyed her.. But no, it all turns out to be a dream.

The only good thing was the dark side of Will..

3/10 for this episode. kthxbi

suse
November 7th, 2009, 09:54 AM
I really liked the episode but the fact that Will and Kate fell in love with each other and had a child is such a no-go for me.



It was years in the future. They had lost almost everyone. They turned to each other as a port in the storm. It happens.

suse

sweetviviane
November 7th, 2009, 10:02 AM
On the podcast they mentioned that Kate and Will fell in love with each other and this shows that Kate is actually a cool person.

Gem of Tigress
November 7th, 2009, 11:01 AM
Great eppy! But i have one question, what happened to Tesla?

MissCheerfully
November 7th, 2009, 11:40 AM
Great eppy! But i have one question, what happened to Tesla?

same here, and Declan??? XD

jckfan55
November 7th, 2009, 11:58 AM
It was very affecting. Can you imagine how scared Helen was? In this case I didn't mind it.

Amanda knows nudity isn't the way to 'grow'. She doesn't do it. You only see parts of her skin. Yeah, the implication is there, but I seriously doubt the *she* was nude.

suse

I'm usually the first one to criticize when shows show skin seemingly for the sake of showing skin. Not the case here.

In this instance, it was part of the story. I think it made the scene gut clenching. It was a horrifying scene--more so than the zombies. The "daring" thing from an acting standpoint was showing Helen's terror, etc. imho.

shel
November 7th, 2009, 12:47 PM
WOW!!! An amazing ep, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

But wow, the shower scene was just so powerful. You could almost feel Helen's fear. Amanda gave an incrediable performance here! This scene just terrified me, it was mind-blowing!

And yeah, when Will said he and Kate had a son, I was like WHATTT?! :confused: But since they were basically the only ones left i can sort of see that happening. RD's hair was scary, but the shower scene was for me the scariest IMHO.

Seriously Amanda should get so many awards for this ep! :)

Mack_1
November 7th, 2009, 01:07 PM
I'm usually the first one to criticize when shows show skin seemingly for the sake of showing skin. Not the case here.

In this instance, it was part of the story. I think it made the scene gut clenching. It was a horrifying scene--more so than the zombies. The "daring" thing from an acting standpoint was showing Helen's terror, etc. imho.

Totally agree, the situation they were in call to that extremist acts, the whole “hose her down” and check her over was to make sure she was "normal" and not contaminated but it look so crude and harsh just because they were push to do it like that due the extreme way they have to live. (That’s what that gadget did right? the one that guy pass over her after the washing down, It look like a mini scanner)

Nudity isn't one of my favorite’s scenes for an actor/actress I admired but when they managed to do it with taste and portraying the story they are trying to tell is acceptable in my book. In this case they did, I didn’t “like it” but somehow it call for that

It wasn't of bad taste or sexually implying; at first you couldn’t understand but it make sense after Will asked Magnus if she didn’t check the girl before for contamination and she goes no it was necessary to do it. (do this make sense??)

Skydiver
November 7th, 2009, 01:24 PM
the shower scene just goes to show how brutal and 'hard core' the world was.

things like modesty, politeness, decency, they're gone. all that matters is survival.

and you don't survive if you let infected people into your midst

EvenstarSRV
November 7th, 2009, 01:43 PM
I think it's the Latin name for night terrors so I was assuming a nightmares type thing - although that could mean several things. It could have been pointing to a vision/terrible nightmare, could have been referring to it being Helen's worst nightmare.

Interesting to speculate whether it was a proper future vision or whether it was a worst case scenario. Was the creature showing her what would definitely happen, or what could happen if she took it?

I think it was the mist creature showing Helen what would happen if she took that vial, that it would release this plague that would wipeout all life. It seemed like something like that had happen to the Mayan kings, but they were able to contain the plague before it spread beyond their kingdom.


Podcast is up already?

*checks podcast page*

Yes, yes it is!
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/podcasts.php

Wow, that was fast. I guess they caught on to all the Sanctuary fans bugging them for the podcast every week! :P

suse
November 7th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Wow! What a great podcast! Some very interesting factuaries. :D

A lot of it was OT, but it's very fun at those parts!

I look forward to the commentaries for the DVD too.

suse

Mack_1
November 7th, 2009, 06:06 PM
Wow! What a great podcast! Some very interesting factuaries. :D

A lot of it was OT, but it's very fun at those parts!

I look forward to the commentaries for the DVD too.

suse

Me 2! and I do hope they put those deleted scenes and alternate endings like they said they did in this episode:daniel:

majorsal
November 7th, 2009, 08:13 PM
When he said "We had a child."
I was like WTF?! And then "Kate and I." And I'm like oh thank GOD!
And then WTF?! Kate?!

i was :eek: too, in thinking it was helen/will. :p

i mean, it's not that they're gross together, it's just robin's got that 20 something look to him that... :p

majorsal
November 7th, 2009, 08:14 PM
first, i don't understand your sigpic. :p

second, see below...


That was a very interesting aspect, Helen was so devastated by Ashley's death that she went searching for something to, in a way, end her own life.


i'm sooo glad they had it be b/c of ashley! that *needed* to be seen by the viewers, that helen was still grieving.

but wow, poor helen!! :(


It does make it seem like this ep was suppose to come before Hero, though I guess they didn't want 4 dark/intense episodes in a row

i'm thinking so too, even if it was jarring. but i 'did' enjoy 'hero'. :)


Very good ep, though I figured it was all a dream/hallucination pretty early on. :)

i wondered how they were going to get out of this. :p

now here's the question i want answered (which wasn't according to the podcast): did the mist creature show helen the future, or what 'might' happen (a scare tactic) of a future?

and i've got to say again, that shower scene was massively intense. i 'almost' made me feel like i wanted to cry, because it felt like a rape scene. and of course, amanda's fantastic acting made it all the more disturbing!

and robin really did great in this ep too! i've never seen him so powerful. well done, robin! ;)

majorsal
November 7th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Very good episode! I really enjoyed it! I never considered her to be patient zero... that was great! :D Also the smoke/spirit element was cool, because of what it revealed to be in the end. I didn't pay much attention to it at first :P

i didn't suspect helen to be patient zero either! :eek: can you imagine the guilt with that?! :p

also, did anyone else think that the mist creature might have been ashley?...

majorsal
November 7th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Will and Kate surprise, also agree with the reasoning of how they got together; out of desperation and grief the baby’s name totally awesome.

IF kate ended up with anyone, i'd prefer henry. :p

(will/ashley)



The last scene I thought Helen was about to hug Will, very touchy scene and at the same time emotional.

the end scene was bitter/sweet.

the way helen was looking at everything, like with a reverence b/c of her experience, and looking at wil with the same thankfulness and love... but it was sad of *why* she went through all that in the first place.

but i don't think that empty feeling will ever truly go away... not when you've lost a child. she might be more appreciative right now, but her daughter's still dead, and helen's still living on and on... argh, i'm making myself sad again. :p

ptb, if you're reading this, DO NOT KILL OFF HELEN.

majorsal
November 7th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Also liked when Will touched her and she was terrified, they really spooking it.


i also like that this is where helen got really ticked about being touched! like, one more person touch me, and i'm going to rip off your arm! :p

majorsal
November 7th, 2009, 08:37 PM
Loved the mention of Ashley and that her loss would drive Helen to want to end her longevity. That's the kind of thing I want, not entire eps mourning Ashley but some mention, some fallout.


i hope this isn't dropped. will doesn't know 'why' she went to do this mission (only the apocWill does), but helen will never forget the loss of her child.

i don't know if i can call this suicidal thoughts, but wanting to end her longevity makes sense.

i like this theme. it's dark, depressing, and dramatic. and real.

but like you said, it doesn't have to be brought up constantly.

majorsal
November 7th, 2009, 08:52 PM
I'm usually the first one to criticize when shows show skin seemingly for the sake of showing skin. Not the case here.

In this instance, it was part of the story. I think it made the scene gut clenching. It was a horrifying scene--more so than the zombies. The "daring" thing from an acting standpoint was showing Helen's terror, etc. imho.

the scene wasn't exploitive at all for me.

it was the directing, and amanda's incredible acting that made the scene personal and disturbingly intimate.


hmm, let's see; we've given amanda how many awards so far this season? 5 eps, and we've given her 4 awards already? :p

EvenstarSRV
November 7th, 2009, 09:08 PM
first, i don't understand your sigpic. :p

Hee! Lemmings---> Lemons :D



now here's the question i want answered (which wasn't according to the podcast): did the mist creature show helen the future, or what 'might' happen (a scare tactic) of a future?


It seemed to me that the vial contained the substance that allowed the Mayan king to shorten his lifespan. The mist creature, maybe even the spirit of that king, showed Helen what would happen if she tried to use what was in the vial to give herself a normal lifespan. By choosing not to take the vial in the end, Helen has prevented that future from happening.


i hope this isn't dropped. will doesn't know 'why' she went to do this mission (only the apocWill does), but helen will never forget the loss of her child.

i don't know if i can call this suicidal thoughts, but wanting to end her longevity makes sense.

i like this theme. it's dark, depressing, and dramatic. and real.

but like you said, it doesn't have to be brought up constantly.

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Helen was suicidal either, just perhaps less tolerant of the prospect of living forever when one of her main reasons for living is now gone.

Another thought I had was that, while I wished they could have spent a bit more time on Ashley being the reason for Helen going on that search, the whole future she saw can sort of been seen as a representation of her emotional state without Ashley. There's no sunshine, no hope, no meaning for why it's happening, and Helen bears the responsibility for starting it all.

But then at the end, standing in the sunshine with Will, I think Helen's come to terms with life without Ashley a bit more, and while she can't quite see the great day that Will does, it's still a not bad one.

Mack_1
November 7th, 2009, 09:14 PM
now here's the question i want answered (which wasn't according to the podcast): did the mist creature show helen the future, or what 'might' happen (a scare tactic) of a future?

and robin really did great in this ep too! i've never seen him so powerful. well done, robin! ;)

AboutRobin: Yes he did.

Since the Mayan’s mysteriously disappeared (were wipe out of the face of the heart) it was established (at least for me) that the vile had something to do with it; the misty guardian, I think just show Helen a vision of what could happen if she took the artifact. A may be glimpse of a possible future.

When Helen reached the conclusion she was patient cero and the zombies enter the lab the vision ended, she was still in the tomb, she still had the artifact in her hands and the mist was there; I took it as if, as soon Helen got the artifact the vision was release so she would understand how dangerous would be if she was allowed to take the idol with her.



also, did anyone else think that the mist creature might have been ashley?...

No, I don’t think so, it had the power to show Helen that vision and guide her through it; Helen said the Mayans were abnormals too, so for all I/we know it was an abnormal with the same gift as Helen, immortality; it has been guarding the tomb since it knew what will happen once the content in the vial were set free what it could do to people.

For what we saw the elixir didn’t affect Helen the way she wanted too so it was even harder to know that she had cause the extinction of humanity in her desperation and pain.



IF kate ended up with anyone, i'd prefer henry. :p

(will/ashley)

the end scene was bitter/sweet.

the way helen was looking at everything, like with a reverence b/c of her experience, and looking at wil with the same thankfulness and love... but it was sad of *why* she went through all that in the first place.

but i don't think that empty feeling will ever truly go away... not when you've lost a child. she might be more appreciative right now, but her daughter's still dead, and helen's still living on and on... argh, i'm making myself sad again. :p

ptb, if you're reading this, DO NOT KILL OFF HELEN.

I’ll prefer Henry too but he died; that’s why I think Will and Kate got together.

Ashley is gone too as Magnus, Big Guy, Druitt…so desperation-companionship-friendship; I guest in the end was what push them to end up together.

Totally love that end scene and I agree, that empty feeling will stay with her don’t matter how much time goes by…really really sad, Ash was her life, her center point and now she is gone; so it does make sense she wanted to find something that would help her break the Immortality gift/curse she has.

and yes she may be more appreciative of what she has now but the pain and the lose is going to be there no matter what.

JMHP:cameron:
---------------------------------------------------------


“Life without purpose isn’t… life”;)

suse
November 7th, 2009, 09:15 PM
But then at the end, standing in the sunshine with Will, I think Helen's come to terms with life without Ashley a bit more, and while she can't quite see the great day that Will does, it's still a not bad one.

Nicely put. :( Poor Helen. What a thing to have to come to terms with.


Hehe. Can't you feel it? It's like sunshine....

suse

majorsal
November 7th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Hee! Lemmings---> Lemons :D

okay. :D

:S what?


Another thought I had was that, while I wished they could have spent a bit more time on Ashley being the reason for Helen going on that search, the whole future she saw can sort of been seen as a representation of her emotional state without Ashley. There's no sunshine, no hope, no meaning for why it's happening, and Helen bears the responsibility for starting it all.

ooh, yeah... :(


But then at the end, standing in the sunshine with Will, I think Helen's come to terms with life without Ashley a bit more, and while she can't quite see the great day that Will does, it's still a not bad one.

i agree, the scene was sentimental but sad. she's appreciating what she's still got... but i just can't see the hole ever being really filled.

so yeah, what you just said. :p

badwolfSG
November 7th, 2009, 09:34 PM
:lol: Me too.

Then I though about them losing so much. I tend to think the child was an accident, born out of grief. Wanted though. What a great name. Did anyone catch the middle name?

suse

No, middle name was said... Magnus Zimmerman was all Will said..

atlantis_babe34
November 7th, 2009, 10:05 PM
kick asss episode. That hose down scene was like a kick in the face whoaaa!

RD what an amazing performance that should earn him a gemini or something!

10/10 :D

Rocky89
November 7th, 2009, 10:20 PM
I think this ep just became one of my faves if not my fave. The start is so powerfull. The resolution is a bit iffy but I think thats cos its just 1 ep instead of a 2 part or an extended ep.
Wouldnt that be great? if in the DVD it was like 60m
And I love the fact that they used the looking for a cure for her longevity like Magnus was in the webis and mention Ash like they should.

The effects look awesome and the set look brilliant. RD was right seeing Magnus ofice like that...wow!

My only problem:
It deserved more then 43 m. It had a lot of story that they could've shown.

Also it would've been an awesome ep for Ash dont you think?
Just like Kush or Requiem.Shame.

On a side note: They were shooting the last scene when those girls did the road trip and meet AT, RD, MW and DK at the studio. Wonder what happen for them to be shooting a scene from ep 5 near the end of shooting.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. ;)

Last year Requiem was my fave, but now I'm not so sure. IMO, the first 5 eps have been awesome, and I'm already considering some of these es as my new fave. But the time this season is over I'm going to have a hard time choosing my new fave.


I am not a huge Helen/Will ship because of the age difference and the mentor factor just makes it too cheesy. However I though it would be cool if Ashley and Will started to like eachother and see how Helen would react if he did something that made ashley mad. :lol: I am guessing that this could have been an Ashley/Will thing. The thought of Kate and him together caused me to throw up a little.

I've also got an age limit, but you've got to admit for a 157 she looks HOT!!! :P

If you ask me she doesn't look a day over 44. :P


Podcast is up already?

*checks podcast page*

Yes, yes it is!
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/podcasts.php

Awesome, I'm really looking forward to hearing Amanda talk about that scene. :) Sally already told me the best times to listen, but I'll listen to it all anyway.


:sam::sam::sam:Good:

I loved this ep, I was a little shocked when they took a hose to Magnus,
Amanda Tapping was actually 10 stars, the reaction, and the fear in her face was very noticeable.

Amanda is something you could not do?absolutely brilliant, it's just a matter of time before she surprised me again.

I look forward to the episode "Veritas" will be a total revolution .... kisses

This is the first time this season, maybe even in the entire show I've felt a huge level of fear for her, and I'm talking genuine fear. :(

Amanda sooooooooooooo deserves to win an award for 4 of the 5 episodes so far, and maybe she'll get an award nom for the episode she's directing. :) I'd love to see her win an award for directing, she's never got one before and it might prove to herself that she's award winning material both an actress and director. :)



I'm with everyone about the shower scene. I can't believe I forgot to mention it in my first post! I think it was the screaming and the fighting that made it so powerful. I mean, of course she'd scream and fight, but because of how Amanda acted it, you could feel Helen's fear. You could feel that she believed they were going to rape her since, in her mind, there was no possible other reason to strip off her clothes like that. I sure believed it- and it was so powerful, I wasn't even thinking "Nah, they won't do that, there must be some other reason." I was totally caught up in what I was watching. Amanda amazes me!


It was very affecting. Can you imagine how scared Helen was? In this case I didn't mind it.

Amanda knows nudity isn't the way to 'grow'. She doesn't do it. You only see parts of her skin. Yeah, the implication is there, but I seriously doubt the *she* was nude.

suse



First off, major bravos to Amanda! That scene was so scary. So intense.


Wow... Awesome ep. The washing scene just chilled me to the bone (it just screamed rape at me *shudders*). Great opening sequence. The view of the city crumbled to pieces was very powerful.

~1300 screencaps for the ep (didn't have time to clear out the bad ones)

204 Pavor Nocturnus.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/148004637/4a9dd94b/204_Pavor_Nocturnus.html)
And just ignore the fact that the file says 204, it should be 205.


WOW!!! An amazing ep, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

But wow, the shower scene was just so powerful. You could almost feel Helen's fear. Amanda gave an incrediable performance here! This scene just terrified me, it was mind-blowing!

Seriously Amanda should get so many awards for this ep! :)


the shower scene just goes to show how brutal and 'hard core' the world was.

things like modesty, politeness, decency, they're gone. all that matters is survival.

and you don't survive if you let infected people into your midst



and i've got to say again, that shower scene was massively intense. i 'almost' made me feel like i wanted to cry, because it felt like a rape scene. and of course, amanda's fantastic acting made it all the more disturbing!


the scene wasn't exploitive at all for me.

it was the directing, and amanda's incredible acting that made the scene personal and disturbingly intimate.

hmm, let's see; we've given amanda how many awards so far this season? 5 eps, and we've given her 4 awards already?

OMG You all not only took the words out of my mouth, but you said it better than I could. ;)

Let me tell you all something. The only hard thing, other than watching was hearing her scream like that, I could hear fear, and even a little sadness in her voice. Before they started hosing her down, I actually felt rape was a possibility. :( I can't even begin to imagine the fear that was going through her mind, being trapped alone in a dungeon, having her clothes ripped off, she must have been so scared, she may have also believed they'd kill her afterwards. But you know what, in a way it was like rape, it was every bit as disrespectful and degrading, but it was rape without the sex. :(

So overall watching her go through that and hearing her scream was the hardest part of that scene, and It was also just as hard to watch after they hosed her, because she was lying on the floor, wet, weak and didn't have any control. On her face, and in her voice throughout the whole thing you could hear fear, terror and some sadness and embarrassment for what was happening to her. Again it was just like rape with sex :(

Here's 2 caps, look at her face and tell me you can't see all things I just mentioned-
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/24872_Amanda_Tapping-Sanctuary_2-1.jpg

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/24890_Amanda_Tapping-Sanctuary_2-1.jpg
I'm so sorry that happened to her, that must have been one of the scariest and lowest moments in her life. :(

(((((Helen)))))

If Amanda doesn't get a *LEAST* one award nom for any episode this season there is something wrong. Some of her VERY best work ever! http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps-5.gif

NurseFG
November 8th, 2009, 12:08 AM
I just watched it and all i can say is WOW, what an absolutely fantastic amazing episode i loved every second of it!!!! :)

helenmagnus23
November 8th, 2009, 01:53 AM
I have been able to see as far as the shower scene so far and wow that was brutal Amanda done an awsome job with that i could imagine how scary it is for Magnus to wake up to a destroyed Sanctuary and then getting blasted with the hose scary .


Watching it i was thinking to myself if i were in that situation i'd be to scared to do anything .

Awsome work Amanda :)

dosed150
November 8th, 2009, 02:32 AM
same here, and Declan??? XD

i thought i saw declan, wasnt he the guy who got bitten, then Will shot him?

kes
November 8th, 2009, 03:51 AM
i thought i saw declan, wasnt he the guy who got bitten, then Will shot him?

No, that was another dude. His name was Jason.

WishIwasJoes
November 8th, 2009, 05:44 AM
IF kate ended up with anyone, i'd prefer henry. :p

(will/ashley)




the end scene was bitter/sweet.

the way helen was looking at everything, like with a reverence b/c of her experience, and looking at wil with the same thankfulness and love... but it was sad of *why* she went through all that in the first place.

but i don't think that empty feeling will ever truly go away... not when you've lost a child. she might be more appreciative right now, but her daughter's still dead, and helen's still living on and on... argh, i'm making myself sad again. :p

ptb, if you're reading this, DO NOT KILL OFF HELEN.


I really do not think Amanda will be killed off. The show seems to me less a team thing and more and Amanda thing with some will on the side.

I sooo agree about the will/ashely ship!

parsifal
November 8th, 2009, 05:57 AM
What was the most shocking was Helen finding out she was patient zero

After hearing the Helen from the video log say she was sorry, I kind of figured they were going to make her responsible.

SamJackShipper93
November 8th, 2009, 06:20 AM
I am not a huge Helen/Will ship because of the age difference and the mentor factor just makes it too cheesy. However I though it would be cool if Ashley and Will started to like eachother and see how Helen would react if he did something that made ashley mad. :lol: I am guessing that this could have been an Ashley/Will thing. The thought of Kate and him together caused me to throw up a little.
:lol: nubbins tribe!

*sigh* After "Nubbins", I was a big Will/Ashley shipper (still am, but it just can't be canon anymore. :(). Then they brought in Clara as a love interest, and now Kate? Huh? Let's spread the love around a bit, shall we? :P


It was very affecting. Can you imagine how scared Helen was? In this case I didn't mind it.

Amanda knows nudity isn't the way to 'grow'. She doesn't do it. You only see parts of her skin. Yeah, the implication is there, but I seriously doubt the *she* was nude.

suse

I agree. In projects I know of where her character is explicitly nude, she's always had body doubles.


IF kate ended up with anyone, i'd prefer henry. :p

(will/ashley)

the end scene was bitter/sweet.

the way helen was looking at everything, like with a reverence b/c of her experience, and looking at wil with the same thankfulness and love... but it was sad of *why* she went through all that in the first place.

but i don't think that empty feeling will ever truly go away... not when you've lost a child. she might be more appreciative right now, but her daughter's still dead, and helen's still living on and on... argh, i'm making myself sad again. :p

ptb, if you're reading this, DO NOT KILL OFF HELEN.

Yea, another person who thinks that Henry/Kate makes a lot more sense! :D

Whenever I look at Helen's face in this episode and in "Eulogy", the only quote that comes to mind is Jack O'Neil's in the original Stargate movie about how "A parent should never out live their own child". It's heartbreaking. :(

Commander Zelix
November 8th, 2009, 06:36 AM
I just want to say this episode was great!!

shel
November 8th, 2009, 06:47 AM
It really was a great episode, and the fact that Helen was the patient zero simply becasue she was trying to find a way to end her longevity and age normally, because of Ashley was heartbreaking. It really shows how much Ashley's death had affected her than we've seen. :(

Amanda did another amazing job! :)

kes
November 8th, 2009, 08:19 AM
After hearing the Helen from the video log say she was sorry, I kind of figured they were going to make her responsible.

Yeh, you and everyone else LOL

s72450
November 8th, 2009, 08:37 AM
This episode was possibly the best one yet. I've given the CGI department some bad grief in the previous episodes, but this time they knocked it out of the park. I think the CGI just looks better in gritty/dark scenes and it was amazing in here. I only noticed the green screen aspect once and that was when Amanda was walking around with the blue flashlight. It would outline her and not the CGI background.

Great storyline, a bit cliche, but I think they made it work well. Amanda did fantastic, especially the hose scene which made me very uncomfortable at first before I realized what was happening.

Will and the mullet made me giggle, but overall, I though Robin did a great job.

A+ across the boards, this is what makes the show awesome!

Less
November 8th, 2009, 10:11 AM
Excellent episode!

The story was quite cliche, but haven't "all the stories been told"? This show was a really good example that it's HOW YOU TELL IT that makes the difference.

There were only two minor annoyances, and they were both with Will.

1. A Mullet, really? Or was that the same wig that Big Guy was wearing last week? Just dirtier. It was a distraction and took me out of the story.

2. Am I the only one annoyed by Will's lower jaw? He juts it out a lot, it's like that's his "acting technique" to show he's determined or something. Made me think the term "mouth breather" was made for him. Again, distracting and took me out of the story. I've noticed it in other episodes, it was SEVERE in this one.

Anyway, those were minor. This show is great.

Please, don't make Kate date anyone yet!!! I understood the mention in this episode, but it's all the more reason to NOT do any romancing for a while. They do really well with the brief glances. They could go the whole season with some glances between Kate and Henry as they get to know each other.

The Will/Clara thing was so forced and unnatural, just weird. The only genuine sexy/heat that I've seen on the show has been between Helen and Will. Did you SEE how Will looked at her when The Adjuster mentioned x-ray vision? That kind of half-a-second and it's gone thing is terrific. They don't need to take it any further.

Just my opinion.

jckfan55
November 8th, 2009, 10:17 AM
having just listened to the podcast, I have to say I think they were so right to reshoot the ending so it wasn't a business as usual ending. What they wound up with was just right, imho.

Skydiver
November 8th, 2009, 12:45 PM
i think the only negative thing i can say about this, it should have aired before hero. it would have flowed better, helen was noticably 'down' in hero, calm and reserved. didn't make sense right after ash, but would if it was right after this

EvenstarSRV
November 8th, 2009, 12:45 PM
Nicely put. :( Poor Helen. What a thing to have to come to terms with.

Indeed. :( It's something that rings true to life for me, for how people deal with devastating losses like that, so I like how the show has handled it so far.



Hehe. Can't you feel it? It's like sunshine....


LOL, I didn't even think of that reference. :P


having just listened to the podcast, I have to say I think they were so right to reshoot the ending so it wasn't a business as usual ending. What they wound up with was just right, imho.

I agree, I think the transition from the destroyed Sanctuary to the brightly lit, pristine one was enough of a return to 'business as usual'.

EDIT: Yeah, I get the feeling that this was suppose to come after Eulogy, but maybe the network didn't want 4 heavy/angsty episodes in a row so they switched the order with Hero.

Inward Wind
November 8th, 2009, 02:23 PM
ok. I'm going to try this again. I tried posting last night but evidently there were some major issues with this site. My take on Pavor Nocturnus:

Overall: pretty decent episode. I wasn't blown away like most, though. I don't generally like episodes that only have 2 main characters. Requiem and Kush were not my favorites last season either.

The Bad: Sorry, did not like Will in this episode. I have come to the conclusion that I like him best when I can believe him in his character. This was not it. He was suppose to be some vengeful, kick-butt, ruthless bad-a$$ but all I saw was a punk-rock kid getting ready to attend an 80's Poison concert. He also had to tear his shirt off, I suppose to again try to make us believe in his buff "Die Hard" attitude. At least he didn't have on the Hulk suit ;). Also, I can't believe they actually had him taking on what... 20-30 of those zombie creatures all by himself and winning??? Fata Morgana...Ashley did it better and was much more believeable.

Didn't like the references to Kate regarding her and Will's baby?? and, Magnus asking about the fate of Kate. It actually has nothing to do with liking the character or not. I just think it's too soon in the season. I haven't even absorbed her into her role yet, let alone care about her fate. It just seemed like it was forced into the conversations.

The Good. Liked the lighting and effects they used for this episode. It helped set the mood very well as to what was going on. The only thing I found a tad odd was that with the lighting and coloring, when they ripped off Helens clothes and hosed her down, it reminded me of "Shindler's List". Don't know why.

Loved Helen in this episode. She did a fantastic job. Now she is someone who could have held her own if she was the only main character in the episode. To be honest, I think it would have been better if it were just her. That way she would have to find out what happened slowly by asking complete strangers. It would have made her seem even more alone in that episode.

Not my favorite, but not bad. Of course nothing is going to even reach the bar for me as long as Ashley isn't around.

majorsal
November 8th, 2009, 02:28 PM
It really was a great episode, and the fact that Helen was the patient zero simply becasue she was trying to find a way to end her longevity and age normally, because of Ashley was heartbreaking. It really shows how much Ashley's death had affected her than we've seen. :(

Amanda did another amazing job! :)

here's something that popped into my head... (fodder for fanfiction)

what if helen was really there, and it was no simulation of a future? after she's found out what *she* did, how do you think she would have handled it?

just from my mind going with it, i could see her going through her memory, seeing if there was an abnormal that had time traveling capabilities. and if finding this abnormal, seeing if she can go back and stop it from happening.

i know, too stargatey :p, but still...

majorsal
November 8th, 2009, 02:36 PM
Amanda did fantastic, especially the hose scene which made me very uncomfortable at first before I realized what was happening.


i think helen thought she was going to be raped. do you guys think that too?

majorsal
November 8th, 2009, 02:47 PM
EDIT: Yeah, I get the feeling that this was suppose to come after Eulogy, but maybe the network didn't want 4 heavy/angsty episodes in a row so they switched the order with Hero.

you know, at the time, i was a bit irritated that everyone was so casual, instead of grieving for ashley. BUT, now that i've had the entire thing to take in, i'm glad they broke up the intense eps -with 'hero' in between- because it made 'pavor nocturnus' even more powerful for me!

and as skydiver said, helen was 'down' in 'hero', so there's something. :p

(but 'hero' should have had a mention or scene of grief)

Ian-S
November 8th, 2009, 02:55 PM
I thought the shower scene was a radiation decontamination, the kind of thing you get if you get too exposed to radiation when working in a Nuclear Power plant. It was a similar scene to the one Sarah Connor got in T:SCC.

Will did say later that the Government nuked all the cities before it fell to try and kill the abnormals, and i took it that they assumed she had been exposed to radiation so gave her a washdown, I didn't look at the machine but think it was like a kind of radiation detector.

Otherwise I can't really see the relevance of the scene within the story, other than to imply that the future was apocalyptic and brutal.

majorsal
November 8th, 2009, 03:20 PM
I thought the shower scene was a radiation decontamination, the kind of thing you get if you get too exposed to radiation when working in a Nuclear Power plant. It was a similar scene to the one Sarah Connor got in T:SCC.

Will did say later that the Government nuked all the cities before it fell to try and kill the abnormals, and i took it that they assumed she had been exposed to radiation so gave her a washdown, I didn't look at the machine but think it was like a kind of radiation detector.

Otherwise I can't really see the relevance of the scene within the story, other than to imply that the future was apocalyptic and brutal.

i agree, but i was just wondering if helen thought this was going to be a rape.

Rocky89
November 8th, 2009, 03:24 PM
I agree. In projects I know of where her character is explicitly nude, she's always had body doubles.

Just to clear something up for ALL of you, and that means you too Suse :P, Amanda was NOT naked in that scene, she was wearing a body-colored bra and what not. It saws so here-

Amanda Tapping – Sanctuary 2×05 Pavor Nocturnus HD 720p (http://www.hotgirlsinhollywood.com/2009/11/08/amanda-tapping-sanctuary-2x05-pavor-nocturnus-hd-720p/) (WARNING THIS COULD LEAD TO A HOT GIRLS IN HOLLYWOOD POPUP!)

We all know Amanda doesn't do nude scenes, so it makes sense she had something done to keep her decent in the scene.



It really was a great episode, and the fact that Helen was the patient zero simply becasue she was trying to find a way to end her longevity and age normally, because of Ashley was heartbreaking. It really shows how much Ashley's death had affected her than we've seen. :(

Amanda did another amazing job! :)


This episode was possibly the best one yet. I've given the CGI department some bad grief in the previous episodes, but this time they knocked it out of the park. I think the CGI just looks better in gritty/dark scenes and it was amazing in here. I only noticed the green screen aspect once and that was when Amanda was walking around with the blue flashlight. It would outline her and not the CGI background.

Great storyline, a bit cliche, but I think they made it work well. Amanda did fantastic, especially the hose scene which made me very uncomfortable at first before I realized what was happening.

Will and the mullet made me giggle, but overall, I though Robin did a great job.

A+ across the boards, this is what makes the show awesome!

I give it an A+ even though I don't like zombies, flashbacks or dream episodes. Amanda's acting in the hose scene was excellent and she was very courageous to do it.

Another thing I liked was Helen talking about Ashley. I hate shows that never mention an absent character, like they were never there. And Helen seeking out a normal life span, because of Ashley's absence (I said absence because I sorted through the facts of her disappearance and believe Ashley could be alive). Helen caring for the girl. Helen trying to treat Will (when he was wounded) as cold as he treated her, but caving.
Amanda shines in episodes like this and Requiem. This episode (and episodes with Ashley is them) is the Sanctuary I love to see. :)

shel
November 8th, 2009, 03:39 PM
i think helen thought she was going to be raped. do you guys think that too?

Yes, i thought so too! The first time i watched it i didn't really notice cause i was just so caught up in it and horrified at what happening to her. But after watching it the second time and paying more attention... you can totally tell just by her expression that she thought she was going to be raped.

majorsal
November 8th, 2009, 03:45 PM
Yes, i thought so too! The first time i watched it i didn't really notice cause i was just so caught up in it and horrified at what happening to her. But after watching it the second time and paying more attention... you can totally tell just by her expression that she thought she was going to be raped.

there's *so* many layers to this scene! :S

*applauds amanda*

Skydiver
November 8th, 2009, 03:55 PM
Rocky, you need to mention that that link is a 'bad' one in that it goes to 'hot girls in hollywood' and when i clicked on it i got an popup offering me adult entertainment in my area

that site can get people in trouble if they click on that link on a work computer.

Eternal Density
November 8th, 2009, 03:55 PM
Wow, this ep is up there with Requiem!
With all the talk of manipulating time, I'm not sure whether the whole thing was in Helen's mind, or whether she was sent to an actual real future and then brought back. I kinda like the doubt about that.
Funny how they didn't use the word zombie :P
I didn't expect Jessica being 'turned'. Will either, actually.
Podcast-listening time!
[edit]Forgot to say, it was great that Ashley was mentioned and was in fact a catalyst for Helen seeking out a 'cure'.
And I think it was good that Hero was before this: we needed a bit of light-hearted stuff in between this and the first three eps to remind people that Sanctuary isn't sad all the time.

Less
November 8th, 2009, 04:09 PM
Just to clear something up for ALL of you, and that means you too Suse :P, Amanda was NOT naked in that scene, she was wearing a body-colored bra and what not.

I saw the nude bra when it aired first and my reaction was a bit different.

I thought: YAY! She's depicted wearing normal underwear, the kind of practical stuff you wear to work. Not the porn stuff you wear on a date. YAY for AT insisting that she be portrayed as an actual thinking adult woman.

If we were supposed to not see it and think she was nekkid, ok, but I was happy with my interpretation!

shel
November 8th, 2009, 04:09 PM
there's *so* many layers to this scene! :S

*applauds amanda*


There are so many, it's like you can just peal back layer after layer and wonder if it's ever going to end. :confused:

*applauds amanda also*

Rocky89
November 8th, 2009, 04:23 PM
Rocky, you need to mention that that link is a 'bad' one in that it goes to 'hot girls in hollywood' and when i clicked on it i got an popup offering me adult entertainment in my area

that site can get people in trouble if they click on that link on a work computer.

:eek: I didn't know it did. Don't worry, I just fixed it. ;)


I saw the nude bra when it aired first and my reaction was a bit different.

I thought: YAY! She's depicted wearing normal underwear, the kind of practical stuff you wear to work. Not the porn stuff you wear on a date. YAY for AT insisting that she be portrayed as an actual thinking adult woman.

If we were supposed to not see it and think she was nekkid, ok, but I was happy with my interpretation!

So there you go, and Amanda said in the podcast she was in fact wearing clothes. :) I know Amanda doesn't like nude scenes, and she's made that clear so I can't see it happening on the show any time soon. She may wear some hot clothes but that's it. I trust Amanda, and I believe she'd never compromise.



i think helen thought she was going to be raped. do you guys think that too?


Yes, i thought so too! The first time i watched it i didn't really notice cause i was just so caught up in it and horrified at what happening to her. But after watching it the second time and paying more attention... you can totally tell just by her expression that she thought she was going to be raped.


there's *so* many layers to this scene! :S

*applauds amanda*

You two are dead on, if you looked at that link to the pics/caps I posted you can see in some of them she's so scared of what's happening to her that she feels she's going to be raped. :( I mean she has every reason to think it, the world has gone to hell, people seem to have lost their moral code, they've become uncivilized and Helen didn't know who they were or why they shot her.

God knows what was going through her mind, she must have been so scared that if she did think they were going to rape her, she may have been thinking, are they a rape gang? How bad will it be? Will they kill her afterwards? No women should EVER have to go through that, and be hosed down like it doesn't mean anything if your a human being. And like I said before, it was every bit as disrespectful and degrading, but it was rape without the sex. :(:(:( (((Helen)))

Here's a question, how do you think she felt when it was all over? :(

(((Helen)))

Skydiver
November 8th, 2009, 04:27 PM
shocked, frightened, scared, horrified, humiliated

shel
November 8th, 2009, 04:39 PM
Here's a question, how do you think she felt when it was all over? :(


scared, ashamed, nervous, anxious, humiliated, terrified, panicky. :(

majorsal
November 8th, 2009, 05:50 PM
Here's a question, how do you think she felt when it was all over? :(
(((Amanda)))

humiliated and degraded, and probably afraid she was going to be killed.

i'm sure she realized at the very end, she wasn't going to be raped. but the men were brutal and unfeeling, and she might have wondered if they were just going to off her to make sure of no contamination.

brave, brave scene to film, and an outstanding accomplishment all around.

ddc
November 8th, 2009, 06:13 PM
I think it's the Latin name for night terrors so I was assuming a nightmares type thing - although that could mean several things. It could have been pointing to a vision/terrible nightmare, could have been referring to it being Helen's worst nightmare.

Interesting to speculate whether it was a proper future vision or whether it was a worst case scenario. Was the creature showing her what would definitely happen, or what could happen if she took it?

My impression of the "guardian" and what Helen experienced was basically "Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come". What could/would happen if she opened the artifact.

Skydiver
November 8th, 2009, 06:20 PM
or....what it told her to keep her from opening it :)

it could have been the ultimate scare tactic, a guardian that protected its charge with mental force rather than physical force

SamJackShipper93
November 8th, 2009, 06:33 PM
I'm wondering. Do you guys think that the plot of the episode took place inside Magnus's head, kinda like "Absolute Power" in SG-1, or did the sentient mist stuff actually transport her physically into the future? :S

Skydiver
November 8th, 2009, 06:37 PM
depends...did she have a bandage on her hand in the final scene?

EvenstarSRV
November 8th, 2009, 07:37 PM
depends...did she have a bandage on her hand in the final scene?

She did, when she was holding the artifact. I wondered why they had that close up of her cutting her hand on the car's hood. Though I think the future still happened in her head and the cut was something she received during the search.

atlantis_babe34
November 8th, 2009, 07:41 PM
i was so con fused at the end of the episode. i only slighty get it... Anyone wanna explain it to my small mind? lol

suse
November 8th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Helen went looking for a way to 'cure' her longevity. She found the elixer to give her a normal life span, but an abnormal showed her a (possible?) future of what could happen if she took it. Most of the Mayan peoples died out over a very short period of time. In the Sanctuary universe this elixer that gave the Mayan kings normal lives was the reason why. It affected those without the long life gene quite badly.

MissCheerfully
November 9th, 2009, 02:15 AM
I think Helen really lived what's happened, because if it was just a dream, her coat she found, would have disappeared, right?

helenmagnus23
November 9th, 2009, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by MissCheerfully
I think Helen really lived what's happened, because if it was just a dream, her coat she found, would have disappeared, right?

I agree :)

If it had all been a dream the same with the cut on her hand wouldnt be there .

I think the misty abnormal not only showed her the future but let her expeariace it first hand it became a portal to future to see the effect's of certain chocies made and how it can effect the future .

My shippy heart went into overdrive hearing what John done it's kind of Romeo,Juliet style :) .

Skydiver
November 9th, 2009, 04:07 AM
the cut and the coat were 'proof' that it really happened.

the dancer of spaz
November 9th, 2009, 04:59 AM
This episode was possibly the best one yet. I've given the CGI department some bad grief in the previous episodes, but this time they knocked it out of the park. I think the CGI just looks better in gritty/dark scenes and it was amazing in here. I only noticed the green screen aspect once and that was when Amanda was walking around with the blue flashlight. It would outline her and not the CGI background.

Great storyline, a bit cliche, but I think they made it work well. Amanda did fantastic, especially the hose scene which made me very uncomfortable at first before I realized what was happening.

Will and the mullet made me giggle, but overall, I though Robin did a great job.

A+ across the boards, this is what makes the show awesome!

Great episode, indeed. I've been a bit more forgiving of the SFX issues than most. :P But yes, this week's episode was notably better in that department. I noticed the flashlight, too, which is also an issue that the webisodes had. I just kinda figured they weren't going to do those kinds of shots anymore...

There was a definite difference between last week's fiasco of an episode and this one. If Sanctuary has more eps like "Pavor" and less like "Hero," I think the show will be just fine.

Mack_1
November 9th, 2009, 06:00 AM
I agree :)

My shippy heart went into overdrive hearing what John done it's kind of Romeo,Juliet style :) .

Yeap he can't live with out her; can you image the pain and thoughts running thru his mind, Helen is gone same as Ashley and he is the one left alone; there is Tesla but somehow it isn't the same so he does what Helen did, look/do something that would end up is life.

When I saw the scene when Helen asked about the others; you can see she looks hurt when Will tells her what Druitt did; so I concluded that Helen still feels something for him after all he's done she is still in love with him. (and I’m not one to ship any couple in a show since I know tptb won’t give it to us; but this two are going there in my book; I think their past have something to do with that)

Things have change since he is kind of "back to normal" after Tesla's "Electrotherapy" and his concern and pain after losing Ashley; so to me she feels something for him still.

doylefan22
November 9th, 2009, 08:31 AM
When I saw the scene when Helen asked about the others; you can see she looks hurt when Will tells her what Druitt did; so I concluded that Helen still feels something for him after all he's done she is still in love with him.

I wouldn't go that far. I think she still remembers the man she fell in love with and has trouble separating him from the Druitt we have now; especially considering he has been redeeming himself of sorts.

I think rationally she tells herself that her Druitt is gone, but sometimes her heart tries to tell her different. She was clearly pained by his death and the reason for it.

On a slightly related note, it would have been interesting to know whether the remaining members of the five were immune to the disease.

Mack_1
November 9th, 2009, 09:43 AM
I wouldn't go that far. I think she still remembers the man she fell in love with and has trouble separating him from the Druitt we have now; especially considering he has been redeeming himself of sorts.

I think rationally she tells herself that her Druitt is gone, but sometimes her heart tries to tell her different. She was clearly pained by his death and the reason for it.

On a slightly related note, it would have been interesting to know whether the remaining members of the five were immune to the disease.

Yeah I think you are right; but she does feels something for him; then again she would have reacted the same way if Will had say Tesla did something similar. We all saw how she looked at him after he went thru the electrifying chamber (twice), when they were retrieving the Source Blood last season.

Tesla: “Your Father really didn’t like me, did he?”

Helen: "You are an acquired taste.” LOL

see that’s why I don't do the ship thing I would take it too far:) lol

And that brings me to your question; the only one remaining of the Five would be Tesla won't he?

Griffin is dead same as Druitt and Watson, Helen we saw the elixir did nothing to her uniqueness so Tesla is the one that probably was still out there but if he was why wasn’t he helping Will?

wine_buyer
November 9th, 2009, 12:25 PM
I read all of the posts and I don't think I have seen this point addressed. In season one and the few episodes of season two that have aired so far, the fact that Will is "an extremely observant profiler" has been shown over and over again. He notices things and emotions that might pass by other peoples radar - so - how come he didn't notice the undercurrent of Magnus being uncomfortable in the final scene? I watched the episode twice and both times the end bugged me but I couldn't figure out why. Then it hit me that the whole sunshiny beautiful day thing didn't ring true for Will's character in the face of Helen's discomfort. Yes she was trying to hide it but it was there and someone as close to her as Will (especially with his background) would have/should have noticed.

I wish the final scene had played something along the lines of Will saying: "I know that something went down. You obviously don't want to talk about it right now but I'll be here when you're ready."

Just an observation and curious to see if anyone else felt the same.:confused:

Mack_1
November 9th, 2009, 12:53 PM
I read all of the posts and I don't think I have seen this point addressed. In season one and the few episodes of season two that have aired so far, the fact that Will is "an extremely observant profiler" has been shown over and over again. He notices things and emotions that might pass by other peoples radar - so - how come he didn't notice the undercurrent of Magnus being uncomfortable in the final scene? I watched the episode twice and both times the end bugged me but I couldn't figure out why. Then it hit me that the whole sunshiny beautiful day thing didn't ring true for Will's character in the face of Helen's discomfort. Yes she was trying to hide it but it was there and someone as close to her as Will (especially with his background) would have/should have noticed.

I wish the final scene had played something along the lines of Will saying: "I know that something went down. You obviously don't want to talk about it right now but I'll be here when you're ready."

Just an observation and curious to see if anyone else felt the same.:confused:
He did know something was up with her.

If you watch again, when he is asking her about the tomb and she said she didn't find it that she kept looking and found nothing; you can see the surprise in his face he didn't believe her; then he goes like "wow all the research you did, I can't believe you just went down there like that" (I know this are not his words exactly but they sound like that to me:o) then Helen said something about a waste of time and money in a very casual manner you see that look again but more subdue .


He looks at her and he knows Helen won't tell him what is bothering her at that moment so he does the next thing calling attention to the "beautiful day" giving her an out, but he does noticed she is unsettle.

To me the final scene was really good it left you with the weight of what she went thru and what she still has in her life eventhough Ashley's gone.

doylefan22
November 9th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Yeah, I think Will knew something had happened but respected her privacy too much to ask. She is his friend but she's also his boss and mentor. I think sometimes there's a line he won't cross.

Although it has to be said, he seemed to genuinely believe she was just put out because she hadn't found the tomb.

EvenstarSRV
November 9th, 2009, 02:43 PM
the cut and the coat were 'proof' that it really happened.

I'm not so sure. Helen said the coat was one of her own, and it looked like something she'd wear on a trek into the jungles of Hondurus (and isn't it the same one she wore in Eulogy?). I think if she'd suddenly gotten the coat and cut in that scene she'd look a bit more surprised.

I'm inclined to think she was already wearing the coat and had the cut when she picked up the artifact, and then the mist creature incorporated those aspects into her dream/hallucination in order to make it seem more real.


I read all of the posts and I don't think I have seen this point addressed. In season one and the few episodes of season two that have aired so far, the fact that Will is "an extremely observant profiler" has been shown over and over again. He notices things and emotions that might pass by other peoples radar - so - how come he didn't notice the undercurrent of Magnus being uncomfortable in the final scene? I watched the episode twice and both times the end bugged me but I couldn't figure out why. Then it hit me that the whole sunshiny beautiful day thing didn't ring true for Will's character in the face of Helen's discomfort. Yes she was trying to hide it but it was there and someone as close to her as Will (especially with his background) would have/should have noticed.

I wish the final scene had played something along the lines of Will saying: "I know that something went down. You obviously don't want to talk about it right now but I'll be here when you're ready."

Just an observation and curious to see if anyone else felt the same.:confused:

Hmm, that's an interesting observation. He definitely noticed that she was down, but did seem to believe her when she said it was just because she didn't find the tomb. Perhaps after getting in her face, so to speak, about Ashley in Eulogy, he's backed off digging too much into her emotional state.

Alan
November 9th, 2009, 02:58 PM
Back in 2008, I had geared myself up so high in the running for the start of Sanctuary that when season 1 was actually broadcast I was so disappointed. Not that I'm saying that I hated what I was watching but it wasn't exactly winning me over. The only thing that really keeps me watching was Amanda Tapping.

Now a year later for the first time since before the first episode of the first season I was really geared up for an episode of Sanctuary judging by what I saw in the trailer, promo, and pics...only this time I wasn't disappointed. Pavor Nocturnus was a great episode! Amanda was just amazing! The shower scene was a shock to see and I applaud Amanda and TPTB for being brave enough to bring that sequence together. I hope this isn't the last time we get to see Helen out of her depth and put through the ringer like this.

I'm a fan of movies 28 Days Later..., Resident Evil, and I Am Legend and this episode certainly seems to take elements from all of these movies and bring them together to make a brilliantly dark and brutal episode for Sanctuary.

One incredibly minor issue...I wasn't all that struck on the last seen between Helen and Will looking through the Sanctuary window. The actor who plays Will was saying his lines in such a way that at the moment when when they look through the window I thought he was going to break into singing "Zippity do da". He was a little bit too fluffy and light for my liking.

I hope I see more more episodes like this.

atlantis_babe34
November 9th, 2009, 03:16 PM
I Just watched the end of it again, but tehre was no cut on her hand when he was talking with Will at the end

Isolde
November 9th, 2009, 03:33 PM
What a great episode that was... WOW! Kudos to everybody concerned, especially after last weeks outing which made my teeth curl. :P

Just a couple of things:

1. The mullet. WTF! Does Armageddon mean you lose all sense of style? Seriously, any self-respecting cannibal monster seeing that would be put right off their grub.

2. A two minute wrap at the end. Boy, that brings back many happy memories of ST:TNG *sigh* Those were the days. :D

On the whole, though, if more of the episodes we can expect are of this standard then I have high hopes indeed.

majorsal
November 9th, 2009, 04:58 PM
I hope this isn't the last time we get to see Helen out of her depth and put through the ringer like this.


i really like the way you put this.

she's usually so cool about things (been there, done that), but something like this is something that even if you 'have' been through it before, you couldn't help still reacting strong.

more please! :p

wine_buyer
November 9th, 2009, 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Mack_1
If you watch again..
If you insist!:D


He looks at her and he knows Helen won't tell him what is bothering her at that moment so he does the next thing calling attention to the "beautiful day" giving her an out, but he does noticed she is unsettle.

To me the final scene was really good it left you with the weight of what she went thru and what she still has in her life eventhough Ashley's gone.

I didn't get the feeling that he noticed that she was unsettled but now I will have to re-watch the episode to see if I missed anything.

I agree with you 100% on Helen leaving you with weight of what she's been through. Amanda played it beautifully (as usual). It was Will I had the problem with and I am still not sure of his part in the final scene.


Originally Posted by doylefan22
Although it has to be said, he seemed to genuinely believe she was just put out because she hadn't found the tomb.

That was the vibe that I originally got which is why I wanted other viewers takes on the final scene. I wasn't sure if I was reading too much or too little into Will's behavior.


Originally Posted by EvenstarSRV
Hmm, that's an interesting observation. He definitely noticed that she was down, but did seem to believe her when she said it was just because she didn't find the tomb. Perhaps after getting in her face, so to speak, about Ashley in Eulogy, he's backed off digging too much into her emotional state.


Very good point! I hadn't considered this possibility. Maybe the "holly-jolly" Will was just his way of going easy on her and letting the subject drop.

Joachim
November 9th, 2009, 05:10 PM
The episode started off with a very eerie feeling, with Helen waking up on the floor and the way they filmed it in black & white.
It wasn't black and white. Desaturated, sure, but there was still plenty of color there.

wine_buyer
November 9th, 2009, 05:17 PM
shocked, frightened, scared, horrified, humiliated

violated :(

Alan
November 9th, 2009, 05:22 PM
i really like the way you put this.

she's usually so cool about things (been there, done that), but something like this is something that even if you 'have' been through it before, you couldn't help still reacting strong.

more please! :p

Glad you agree. For me Sanctuary is so "Okay. We have a problem. Let's sit down and discuss it." I prefer the problems which need resolving quickly before the bad guys knock down the doors. I wanna see how these guys do when the pressure is really on and the only equipment they've got is their wits and ingenuity.

Skydiver
November 9th, 2009, 05:47 PM
I think will knows what helen is saying isn't what really happened. He's just not going to push her.

with ash's recent death, he might have been a bit hesitant around her, not wanting to offend by pushing

majorsal
November 9th, 2009, 06:20 PM
when i was watching this ep... before wil showed up, and she's going around finding things to use... i can't tell you this glee that came over me, that this was a HELEN episode!

amanda is not only a strong actress, she has a charisma that pulls you totally in. :samanime51:


thus ends the fangirl squee. :p

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 07:55 PM
when i was watching this ep... before wil showed up, and she's going around finding things to use... i can't tell you this glee that came over me, that this was a HELEN episode!

amanda is not only a strong actress, she has a charisma that pulls you totally in. :samanime51:


thus ends the fangirl squee. :p

I really liked this one for the dark over tones and the essential end of world feel to it.
Helen went looking for a way to kill herself, well shorten her life, and she ends up causing the infection. Cosmic Irony at it's worst.

I enjoyed the Resident Evil feel to this eppy and the Zombies were way cooler.

Mack_1
November 9th, 2009, 08:27 PM
If you insist!:D

I agree with you 100% on Helen leaving you with weight of what she's been through. Amanda played it beautifully (as usual). It was Will I had the problem with and I am still not sure of his part in the final scene.



I do I do!:D

And yes Amanda did a wonderful job, and as many of you have say she deserves some awards for a job well well done...do you hear PTB?


Pavor Nocturnus was a great episode! Amanda was just amazing!

One incredibly minor issue...I wasn't all that struck on the last seen between Helen and Will looking through the Sanctuary window. The actor who plays Will was saying his lines in such a way that at the moment when when they look through the window I thought he was going to break into singing "Zippity do da". He was a little bit too fluffy and light for my liking.
I hope I see more more episodes like this.
Totally agree PN is a great episode and AT did awesome:sam:

About Will; we have to considered he didn't went through what Helen had, he was his normal self and then more reserve in his opinions or comments; so for him the day was just that a regular one, maybe they haven't had problems for days so he just appreciated the time.

As for Helen, you can see she is still perturbed about the whole ordeal; but she wasn't hurt that Will didn't press her on the trip thing; if anything she just took a breather and just walk to the window but not getting to close to Will.

I take that scene as kind of symbolic; a new bright day staring in the Sanctuary and a new chapter in her life now that Ashley is not there...:)

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 08:30 PM
I really liked this one for the dark over tones and the essential end of world feel to it.
Helen went looking for a way to kill herself, well shorten her life, and she ends up causing the infection. Cosmic Irony at it's worst.

I enjoyed the Resident Evil feel to this eppy and the Zombies were way cooler.

Ya, I really enjoyed the Zombies... there were cool b/c I hide my face type zombies! What can get better than that?

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 08:33 PM
the Zombies were the coolest...lol!!

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 08:40 PM
the Zombies were the coolest...lol!!

No, Helen coat was the coolest! but the zombies were a close second! LOL

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 08:53 PM
True, Helen's coat rocked.

BUt iwas so sad to hear about John.... :(:(... noble as it may be... still :(

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 09:13 PM
True, Helen's coat rocked.

BUt iwas so sad to hear about John.... :(:(... noble as it may be... still :(



It would have been nice if John was in this episode switch with Will maybe, not saying Will didn't do a good job. He did, I would have life to see the interaction between the two of them...

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 09:22 PM
Especially if future John had been welcomed back into Helen's bed...he may have been happy to see her.

But yes Magnus and Will did a very good job in this eppy.

Still shocked about the whole shower thing, I guessed the why of it, but still to see it and allwas like OMFGS!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Especially if future John had been welcomed back into Helen's bed...he may have been happy to see her.

But yes Magnus and Will did a very good job in this eppy.

Still shocked about the whole shower thing, I guessed the why of it, but still to see it and allwas like OMFGS!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

I would have liked to see John face seeing her back alive again.



I was shocked too, but also I didn't get the point. If the virus was spread my being bitten and know cure, what was the point of the shower?

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 09:35 PM
some virus can rapidly mutate and be spread through the air. But she had cut herself and it was just a precaution.

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 09:39 PM
some virus can rapidly mutate and be spread through the air. But she had cut herself and it was just a precaution.

did they say that in the show, if so I didn't but I was watching in a noisy place.

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 09:44 PM
did they say that in the show, if so I didn't but I was watching in a noisy place.


No, i have some medical knowledge in my brain, lol!! But when she was scrounging for things to use she cut her hand. Virus have been known to mutate from water to air and then back again. When they washed her down it was merely a preventive measure, just in case. But the wouldn't have known if she had been infected till she turned.

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 09:52 PM
No, i have some medical knowledge in my brain, lol!! But when she was scrounging for things to use she cut her hand. Virus have been known to mutate from water to air and then back again. When they washed her down it was merely a preventive measure, just in case. But the wouldn't have known if she had been infected till she turned.

Didn't know that about virus!

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 09:56 PM
Didn't know that about virus!

some virus's have that ability.

but the premise of this eppy is that you would have to be bit...lol!! Still loved it!!

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 09:58 PM
some virus's have that ability.

but the premise of this eppy is that you would have to be bit...lol!! Still loved it!!

Yes it was very powerful part!

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 09:59 PM
I knew why they were doing that.... but it was still... WHOA... and I had to look away briefly.

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 10:08 PM
I knew why they were doing that.... but it was still... WHOA... and I had to look away briefly.

It make me kinda anger, she was being manhandle and stripped of her clothing.

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 10:10 PM
AT did a great job, as bad as it looked it was still looked good the way she played it was all the more powerful

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 10:29 PM
AT did a great job, as bad as it looked it was still looked good the way she played it was all the more powerful

She did, If an actor can make some feel any powerful emotion they did a awesome job.

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 10:41 PM
so far this has to be the darkest eppy yet... that we have seen.

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 10:53 PM
so far this has to be the darkest eppy yet... that we have seen.

Probably one of my favorite since I was never a 100 percent sure what was going on.

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 10:55 PM
lol!! i may watch it again later today. I was at work on Friday and so i didn't get to see everything so... tomorrow ZOMBIES and Kewl Helen in apocolyptic world

badwolfSG
November 9th, 2009, 11:06 PM
lol!! i may watch it again later today. I was at work on Friday and so i didn't get to see everything so... tomorrow ZOMBIES and Kewl Helen in apocolyptic world

I think the best part is that I keeping it was something it wasn't! By the and once all my ideas were throw out, I just wanted to figure out what was going. Sadly, I wish they made it a 2 part!

KaKaCarter
November 10th, 2009, 12:02 AM
What a brilliant episode. Was anyone else worried that the zombies were actually going to be caused by Tesla. They seemed a bit similar to his braindead vampires. So glad they didn't go down that route and the actual resolution was so cool.

As others have said i'd have liked some mention to how Tesla died. Find it hard to believe he wouldn't have tried to save the world.

Amanda was brilliant. The episode was visually brilliant. It was nice to see a much darker and harder(emotionally) will. I actually liked the mullet as representation of how he's gone past any concept of fashionable to pure desperation.

I want more episodes like this.

WishIwasJoes
November 10th, 2009, 06:09 AM
I would have liked to see John face seeing her back alive again.



I was shocked too, but also I didn't get the point. If the virus was spread my being bitten and know cure, what was the point of the shower?

I was thinking the same thing after we got a cut to the commercial because I was so mad to see Helen treated like that. I am always wary of females being given scenes like this so I was wondering that too. :mckay:

Linda06
November 10th, 2009, 10:59 AM
I loved this ep. I loved everything about this ep :D It was so much better than last weeks ep, That's all I got :p

AresLover452
November 10th, 2009, 11:54 AM
I loved this ep. I loved everything about this ep :D It was so much better than last weeks ep, That's all I got :p

It was all dark and twisty... I loved it.

Linda06
November 10th, 2009, 11:56 AM
It was all dark and twisty... I loved it.

Oh I knew there was a reason why I loved it :D

p.s. I see you Rocky :p I bet your fave part was Helen on the roof in the rain all wet :p

AresLover452
November 10th, 2009, 11:57 AM
By far the best we have seen.

jckfan55
November 10th, 2009, 01:19 PM
Oh I knew there was a reason why I loved it :D

p.s. I see you Rocky :p I bet your fave part was Helen on the roof in the rain all wet :p

The roof is kind of Helen's place isn't it? She was up there for practical reasons this time, but they've definitely followed through on the idea from the very first episode that she goes up there regularly.

AresLover452
November 10th, 2009, 01:26 PM
The roof is kind of Helen's place isn't it? She was up there for practical reasons this time, but they've definitely followed through on the idea from the very first episode that she goes up there regularly.

i loved helen on the roof, despite her being pummeled with rain.

Rocky89
November 10th, 2009, 03:34 PM
shocked, frightened, scared, horrified, humiliated


scared, ashamed, nervous, anxious, humiliated, terrified, panicky. :(


humiliated and degraded, and probably afraid she was going to be killed.

i'm sure she realized at the very end, she wasn't going to be raped. but the men were brutal and unfeeling, and she might have wondered if they were just going to off her to make sure of no contamination.

brave, brave scene to film, and an outstanding accomplishment all around.


violated :(


I knew why they were doing that.... but it was still... WHOA... and I had to look away briefly.


It make me kinda anger, she was being manhandle and stripped of her clothing.


I was thinking the same thing after we got a cut to the commercial because I was so mad to see Helen treated like that. I am always wary of females being given scenes like this so I was wondering that too. :mckay:

Yes on all the above. :( I believe all those things we going through her mind, and maybe she thought she was going to be left down there for ages and become a prisoner. :( I can't even begin imagine how low and hurt she must have felt, she was completely mistreated, manhandled and violated. There's more than one form of rape, and this was one of them. Can you imagine what that can do to a person? :(

That scene still gets to me, IMO it was one of, if not *the* most powerful and saddest Helen moment so far. She wasn't raped, but the way it was going, I'm sure some of the audience and Helen believed that it was going to happen to her. They shot her, took her to a dungeon, aggressively stripped her clothes off, then hosed her down with need respect or decency at all. Throughout the whole scene, she wasn't treated like a woman, she was treated like a piece of dirt, and the whole time she had that look of fear and terror on her face and her voice, she was practically fighting for her life. She's not someone you can take advantage of, she's a human being with a soul and feelings, and I believe no man should ever lay his hands on any woman. It's wrong.

(((Helen)))



Now a year later for the first time since before the first episode of the first season I was really geared up for an episode of Sanctuary judging by what I saw in the trailer, promo, and pics...only this time I wasn't disappointed. Pavor Nocturnus was a great episode! Amanda was just amazing! The shower scene was a shock to see and I applaud Amanda and TPTB for being brave enough to bring that sequence together. I hope this isn't the last time we get to see Helen out of her depth and put through the ringer like this.

I agree Alan, that one scene just further shows how brave an actress can be, I've never been that shocked when watching her on screen, my hands were shaking and my heart was bating like a rabbit on steroids. :P


when i was watching this ep... before wil showed up, and she's going around finding things to use... i can't tell you this glee that came over me, that this was a HELEN episode!

amanda is not only a strong actress, she has a charisma that pulls you totally in. :samanime51:

thus ends the fangirl squee. :p

That's right, that once scene was this seasons Requiem. I believe in Amanda, I believe and trust that if she's given a role she'll play it to the best of her ability, and which is pretty darn good from what we've seen. ;) She'll make you smile, cry, laugh and she won't let you down. I also believe that whatever is written for her to do, she'll give more than what she was supposed to. I think God there's someone like her around. :)

*fanboy squee* :P


I do I do!:D
And yes Amanda did a wonderful job, and as many of you have say she deserves some awards for a job well well done...do you hear PTB?

Totally agree PN is a great episode and AT did awesome:sam:

About Will; we have to considered he didn't went through what Helen had, he was his normal self and then more reserve in his opinions or comments; so for him the day was just that a regular one, maybe they haven't had problems for days so he just appreciated the time.

As for Helen, you can see she is still perturbed about the whole ordeal; but she wasn't hurt that Will didn't press her on the trip thing; if anything she just took a breather and just walk to the window but not getting to close to Will.

I take that scene as kind of symbolic; a new bright day staring in the Sanctuary and a new chapter in her life now that Ashley is not there...:)

I will be equally as shocked if she's not nominated for at least 1 award for anything this season. :sam:


Oh I knew there was a reason why I loved it :D

p.s. I see you Rocky :p I bet your fave part was Helen on the roof in the rain all wet :p

You know it's funny you should say that- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHwj5ECW4vY

:P

badwolfSG
November 10th, 2009, 03:45 PM
I was thinking the same thing after we got a cut to the commercial because I was so mad to see Helen treated like that. I am always wary of females being given scenes like this so I was wondering that too. :mckay:

Oh, yes me too!

majorsal
November 10th, 2009, 03:52 PM
I really liked this one for the dark over tones and the essential end of world feel to it.

Helen went looking for a way to kill herself, well shorten her life, and she ends up causing the infection. Cosmic Irony at it's worst.

I enjoyed the Resident Evil feel to this eppy and the Zombies were way cooler.

irony indeed! :S :p

so she wanted to shorten her life, and ended up shortening everyone else's but hers! :p

i mean, :S (((helen)))

but still :p

AresLover452
November 10th, 2009, 04:17 PM
irony indeed! :S :p

so she wanted to shorten her life, and ended up shortening everyone else's but hers! :p

i mean, :S (((helen)))

but still :p


Totally. Not one of her better idea's. But at least at the end she had the chance to right her mistake and not cause the death of Humanity.

badwolfSG
November 10th, 2009, 07:37 PM
[QUOTE=AresLover452;10817985]
Helen went looking for a way to kill herself, well shorten her life, and she ends up causing the infection. Cosmic Irony at it's worst.
QUOTE]

Helen pretty much have death laugh in her face.

AresLover452
November 10th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Yeah, she did.

helenmagnus23
November 11th, 2009, 03:11 AM
I watched the eps again and when i saw that shower scene i was like they cant do that to her though it was just a prection given the virus it was pritty brutal and hard to watch to .

I loved seeing those Zombie guy's and thing that came out of there mouth it kind of reminded me of Aliens sort of like there extra mouth kreepy .

Will was so stong in this eps i loved seeing that and realy loved seeing Helen make that spear and them fighting the zombie guy it's so cool seeing Amanda kick a** :D

I agree Aries it was sad hearing what John done but he loved Helen so much he couldnt contiue to live without her that bit blew me away hearing what he done very Romeo,Juliet style Druitt is definatily her Romeo with a very cool darkside :D

DigiFluid
November 11th, 2009, 10:33 AM
Absolutely FANTASTIC episode. This might even be my favourite in the entire series to date.

The 'feel' of the whole thing, the kind of Resident Evil/post-apocalyptic thing was bloody brilliant. When they were ripping off Helen's clothes I was absolutely mortified that it was going to be some kind of horrific gang rape, and then it mutated into a not-quite-as-bad (but still unpleasant) Planet of the Apes hosing down. The ruined city and ruined Sanctuary were wonderful to behold; really the entire colour palette/lighting of the episode was wonderful.

My only complaint here is that they really went overboard on the multicam. It's something you all know I'm very displeased with to begin with, but in this episode it felt like they were throwing it in every 5 minutes just for the hell of it. Very jarring.

Besides that, awesome. (And Druitt had an off-screen Dr. Strangelove demise, that's hilarious :D)

Linda06
November 11th, 2009, 10:34 AM
The roof is kind of Helen's place isn't it? She was up there for practical reasons this time, but they've definitely followed through on the idea from the very first episode that she goes up there regularly.

Yeah she does like to go up on the roof. But with that view can't say I blame her ;)


You know it's funny you should say that- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHwj5ECW4vY

:P

:rolleyes: I knew it :p

It must be hard knowing and living through outliving everybody you love :( How much can one go through it before it becomes too much.

DigiFluid
November 11th, 2009, 10:36 AM
Oh and hey, did anyone else notice that the city backdrop behind the Sanctuary is CLEARLY New York?

Linda06
November 11th, 2009, 11:01 AM
Oh and hey, did anyone else notice that the city backdrop behind the Sanctuary is CLEARLY New York?

Can't say I was paying attention :o :p

DigiFluid
November 11th, 2009, 11:22 AM
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/5210/vlcsnap00009x.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap00009x.jpg/)

In the background on the right is the Brooklyn Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LOC_Brooklyn_Bridge_and_East_River_Edit_3.jpg) and the glass reflective buildings in the background on the left is the World Financial Center in lower Manhattan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYC-WorldFinancialCenter.jpg) (though the Wiki picture is taken from Jersey rather than Brooklyn), across the street from where the WTC used to be.

It seems the Sanctuary is in Brooklyn :D

Linda06
November 11th, 2009, 11:50 AM
Ah right. Well I can never tell which bridge is which :p

EvenstarSRV
November 11th, 2009, 12:18 PM
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/5210/vlcsnap00009x.jpg
(http://img682.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap00009x.jpg/)

In the background on the right is the Brooklyn Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LOC_Brooklyn_Bridge_and_East_River_Edit_3.jpg) and the glass reflective buildings in the background on the left is the World Financial Center in lower Manhattan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYC-WorldFinancialCenter.jpg) (though the Wiki picture is taken from Jersey rather than Brooklyn), across the street from where the WTC used to be.

It seems the Sanctuary is in Brooklyn :D

Nice cap!

But I think it's more likely that the Anthem team just used those NYC images for the look of Old/New City, since various references in Fata Morgana, End of Nights, and this ep suggest that the Sanctuary is in the Pacific Northwest.

DigiFluid
November 11th, 2009, 12:20 PM
Oh yes, of course that's likely the case. It's just that they picked such an obvious shot ;):p

RealmOfX
November 11th, 2009, 12:23 PM
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/5210/vlcsnap00009x.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap00009x.jpg/)

In the background on the right is the Brooklyn Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LOC_Brooklyn_Bridge_and_East_River_Edit_3.jpg) and the glass reflective buildings in the background on the left is the World Financial Center in lower Manhattan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYC-WorldFinancialCenter.jpg) (though the Wiki picture is taken from Jersey rather than Brooklyn), across the street from where the WTC used to be.

It seems the Sanctuary is in Brooklyn :D

Sanctuary isn't set in the real world. Also similar building types and bridges can be found in other cities AND countries.

DigiFluid
November 11th, 2009, 12:29 PM
See above replies :)

But that is New York City they used for that background shot, there's really no room for argument here ;)

AresLover452
November 11th, 2009, 12:35 PM
I agree Aries it was sad hearing what John done but he loved Helen so much he couldnt contiue to live without her that bit blew me away hearing what he done very Romeo,Juliet style Druitt is definatily her Romeo with a very cool darkside :D


That was the saddest part of this eppy. Druitt taking his life two weeks after Helen. Course in my mind that just solidifies how much he loves her, he wasn't willing to go on with out her.

but more than anything i loved the whole REsident Evil feel of this eppy. The darkness was played just right and AT was superb.

All in all the best eppy so far... lol!!

Linda06
November 11th, 2009, 01:15 PM
That was the saddest part of this eppy. Druitt taking his life two weeks after Helen. Course in my mind that just solidifies how much he loves her, he wasn't willing to go on with out her.

but more than anything i loved the whole REsident Evil feel of this eppy. The darkness was played just right and AT was superb.

All in all the best eppy so far... lol!!

Ooh I love resident evil :D

AresLover452
November 11th, 2009, 01:33 PM
Ooh I love resident evil :D

This eppy had a very Resident Evil feel to it.... but this was better!!! lol!! WAY better!!

Linda06
November 11th, 2009, 02:19 PM
This eppy had a very Resident Evil feel to it.... but this was better!!! lol!! WAY better!!

See. Another reason why I loved it :D This episode is made of win :D

I preferred the resi evil games, the movies were okay but IMO they were too high tech *shrugs* And they should have used characters from the game as main characters.

jckfan55
November 11th, 2009, 02:20 PM
It must be hard knowing and living through outliving everybody you love :( How much can one go through it before it becomes too much.

She almost made it sound like this was the first time she'd gone looking for a cure, but you have to wonder if she did at other times in her life too. Or maybe even if she went through dark periods she still had her work etc. But with the loss of Ashley she felt like it wasn't worth it anymore. (And of course she'd also recently lost her long time friend Watson, and Druitt and Tesla are basically nuts. ;) ).

Linda06
November 11th, 2009, 02:24 PM
She almost made it sound like this was the first time she'd gone looking for a cure, but you have to wonder if she did at other times in her life too. Or maybe even if she went through dark periods she still had her work etc. But with the loss of Ashley she felt like it wasn't worth it anymore. (And of course she'd also recently lost her long time friend Watson, and Druitt and Tesla are basically nuts. ;) ).

I think maybe Ashley was the final straw that pushed her to search for the....Cure? Um not sure what it could be called. hmm I wonder if she ever considered searching for it before now.

AresLover452
November 11th, 2009, 02:30 PM
I think maybe Ashley was the final straw that pushed her to search for the....Cure? Um not sure what it could be called. hmm I wonder if she ever considered searching for it before now.

She probably had, but i takes time to piece together evidence and clues to an objects location. From the time she heard about it, she could have been combing archival evidence and a lot of other sources.

Linda06
November 11th, 2009, 02:33 PM
She probably had, but i takes time to piece together evidence and clues to an objects location. From the time she heard about it, she could have been combing archival evidence and a lot of other sources.

Ye true. So I'm guessing none of the others knew what she was up to?

DigiFluid
November 11th, 2009, 02:36 PM
She almost made it sound like this was the first time she'd gone looking for a cure, but you have to wonder if she did at other times in her life too. Or maybe even if she went through dark periods she still had her work etc. But with the loss of Ashley she felt like it wasn't worth it anymore. (And of course she'd also recently lost her long time friend Watson, and Druitt and Tesla are basically nuts. ;) ).
Not quite..... We learned at the end of the episode that the hunt for something to help her die happened in the here and now, meaning that Druitt and Tesla are still very much alive while she searches.

She's almost as upset about losing Ashley as I am :(;)

jckfan55
November 11th, 2009, 02:36 PM
^All Will seemed to know is she was looking for some artifact, iirc.

jckfan55
November 11th, 2009, 02:37 PM
Not quite..... We learned at the end of the episode that the hunt for something to help her die happened in the here and now, meaning that Druitt and Tesla are still very much alive while she searches.


I didn't say those two were dead--I said they are nuts. :)

DigiFluid
November 11th, 2009, 02:49 PM
....yes. Yes you did :o

AresLover452
November 11th, 2009, 03:02 PM
^All Will seemed to know is she was looking for some artifact, iirc.

Cause I think if she actually told will what she was looking for he would talk her out of searching... well he would try to and then Helen would do it anyway.

Khentkawes
November 11th, 2009, 03:22 PM
I just read through this thread and... I guess I'm alone on this. I was very bored with this episode. I don't mind slow-pacing and I don't need an episode to be action-packed, but the first 20 minutes of this simply didn't catch my attention, and I never got into the story. I think my lack of interest had a lot to do with the lack of dialogue in the beginning. No talking, lots of Helen wandering around in a grey world trying to figure out what's going on... it just didn't work for me. I almost got up and walked away from the TV. :eek: And I've never had that reaction before (not to Sanctuary, not even to SGA).

The lighting effects seemed over-the-top, partially because I've seen them used too often (post-apocalyptic world = grey and faded colors). The zombies were... predictable. As was Will's infection. And I spent too much time laughing at Will at moments that I think were supposed to be dramatic (his random little yell when he ran of to face the zombies made me laugh really hard. And his perkiness in the last scene didn't feel natural to me... just a little too perky). All in all... I just didn't see the overwhelming awesomeness that most of you did. Maybe it's because I'm just not a fan of zombie movies, but that's because I find them rather predictable.

I am glad they dealt with Helen's grief over Ashley some more. That was good. And I liked the mention of Druitt. But that's about it.



My only complaint here is that they really went overboard on the multicam. It's something you all know I'm very displeased with to begin with, but in this episode it felt like they were throwing it in every 5 minutes just for the hell of it. Very jarring.

I'm with you on being "very displeased" (or somewhat stronger words ;)) about the multicam effect. But it didn't bother me in this particular episode because... well, for me, it was sort of a break from the monotony of Helen wandering around looking confused and Will fighting zombies. :o So it didn't disrupt the storyline for me because I was already disengaged from the stroyline. Granted, that's not a positive thing. :S



<snip> ...and Druitt and Tesla are basically nuts. ;) ).

Which may be why I like them so much. :D I'm really missing Tesla. I really wanted to know what happened to him in this episode.

majorsal
November 11th, 2009, 03:24 PM
i'm going to rewatch tonight (what a horrible chore :p), but i've got a question...

once the outbreak took, and the end of the world started; how long into it was it that everyone thought helen was killed? i'm wondering how long helen lived through the world ending around her.

but yes, i know it never really happened, but i'm just curious. :p

Khentkawes
November 11th, 2009, 03:44 PM
i'm going to rewatch tonight (what a horrible chore :p), but i've got a question...

once the outbreak took, and the end of the world started; how long into it was it that everyone thought helen was killed? i'm wondering how long helen lived through the world ending around her.

but yes, i know it never really happened, but i'm just curious. :p

IIRC... Helen said she had gone to Honduras "10 years ago, not long after Ashley died." And Will said that Helen died "3 years ago." So she would have lived through 7 years of the virus taking over the world. I could be wrong, but I thought that's what they said.

shel
November 11th, 2009, 03:50 PM
i'm going to rewatch tonight (what a horrible chore :p), but i've got a question...

once the outbreak took, and the end of the world started; how long into it was it that everyone thought helen was killed? i'm wondering how long helen lived through the world ending around her.

but yes, i know it never really happened, but i'm just curious. :p


Oh yes horrible chore ;) (I guess thats a chore i've done a few times then)

I thought that it had been maybe 3-5 yrs since she had been killed. I doubt i'm right, but i was thinking maybe she lived through 1 to 2 years through the world ending around her. IDK

WishIwasJoes
November 11th, 2009, 04:15 PM
I just read through this thread and... I guess I'm alone on this. I was very bored with this episode. I don't mind slow-pacing and I don't need an episode to be action-packed, but the first 20 minutes of this simply didn't catch my attention, and I never got into the story. I think my lack of interest had a lot to do with the lack of dialogue in the beginning. No talking, lots of Helen wandering around in a grey world trying to figure out what's going on... it just didn't work for me. I almost got up and walked away from the TV. :eek: And I've never had that reaction before (not to Sanctuary, not even to SGA).

The lighting effects seemed over-the-top, partially because I've seen them used too often (post-apocalyptic world = grey and faded colors). The zombies were... predictable. As was Will's infection. And I spent too much time laughing at Will at moments that I think were supposed to be dramatic (his random little yell when he ran of to face the zombies made me laugh really hard. And his perkiness in the last scene didn't feel natural to me... just a little too perky). All in all... I just didn't see the overwhelming awesomeness that most of you did. Maybe it's because I'm just not a fan of zombie movies, but that's because I find them rather predictable.

I am glad they dealt with Helen's grief over Ashley some more. That was good. And I liked the mention of Druitt. But that's about it.



I'm with you on being "very displeased" (or somewhat stronger words ;)) about the multicam effect. But it didn't bother me in this particular episode because... well, for me, it was sort of a break from the monotony of Helen wandering around looking confused and Will fighting zombies. :o So it didn't disrupt the storyline for me because I was already disengaged from the stroyline. Granted, that's not a positive thing. :S



Which may be why I like them so much. :D I'm really missing Tesla. I really wanted to know what happened to him in this episode.

No your not the only one that was not in love with this eppy, but I am 29 and I guess I am just not into stuff that younger viewers are. So far this season is not really up to where the first one was. End of nights was ok. Hero was just eh for me. And this one was just NOT interesting to me. I did like seeing her deal with her grief but I thought it was rather silly that she wanted to shorten her life when she could have just jumped off her high spot in the Sanctuary.

Everyone has been debating the point if she was trying to kill herself or what. We are all told that Helen is very strong, wise, yada yada, the want to shorten her life to me felt like a neat side step to saying she wanted to kill herself. :cool: Not a zombie fan and Will's acting was just so distracting! Did like the idea behind the story and the idea that Helen wanted to end her life but instead damned man kind.

My guess is it looked better on paper that it did on screen. Also we are told that the show needs to be less Americanized, so why the heck are we looking at NY in the background?

slurredspeech
November 11th, 2009, 06:24 PM
IIRC... Helen said she had gone to Honduras "10 years ago, not long after Ashley died." And Will said that Helen died "3 years ago." So she would have lived through 7 years of the virus taking over the world. I could be wrong, but I thought that's what they said.

I believe this is the case, as well. Alas. I haven't yet done my rewatch so we could both be terribly wrong. ;)


No talking, lots of Helen wandering around in a grey world trying to figure out what's going on... it just didn't work for me.

They could have done that part better, I agree. I thought it a bit too slow and without a desired effect of shock or suspense (partially because I knew the plot of the episode?); not so much for the lack of dialogue either, just the way they did it.

Save for that and the outrageously overused multicam - which I don't usually mind and it only pulls me out of the story because I always always think of the people here who hate it, and the discussion makes me smile :) - the rest was :D:D. Me likey.


No your not the only one that was not in love with this eppy, but I am 29 and I guess I am just not into stuff that younger viewers are.

That's... awfully presumptuous. I'm sorry, but not everyone who enjoyed this ep is 13, or has - juvenile? unrefined? easily entertained? - taste.
Just as it would be unfair and horribly incorrect to assume everyone who didn't is a big mean meanie who, I don't know, hates AT and MW and secretly wishes their carreers to plummet.

Generalization. It kills kittens and white blood cells.


We are all told that Helen is very strong, wise, yada yada, the want to shorten her life to me felt like a neat side step to saying she wanted to kill herself. :cool:

Did it? I beg to differ. In fact, even back in S1 I wondered if perhaps she ever thought of somehow reversing what the source blood has done to her physiology. Not because I thought - or think, for that matter - that she has suicidal tendencies, but simply because OMG!!ELEVEN!! who the heck would want to live forever? Granted, it might've seemed like all the rave back when all five of them were experimenting, pushing the boundaries (ah, the eighteen hundreds, with the big dresses and vampire blood; good times!), and even now there's always so much for her to do. But I do believe that after so many years, and so many loved ones lost one is prone to reconsider that decision.

Not kill herself. Just... live normally, and die that way.


Also we are told that the show needs to be less Americanized, so why the heck are we looking at NY in the background?

Look. I know you're disappointed with Ashley gone - it's not what I was wishing for the character either - but perhaps if you allowed yourself to put that aside for any one episode and just tried to enjoy it as it now is? That last comment, it sounds as if you're looking for things not to like. It's a background. Of NYC. We see it for all of a second. If - DigiFluid, yes? - hadn't pointed it out, I would never have noticed. Granted, I'm not as New York savvy as he obviously is, but still.

Eternal Density
November 11th, 2009, 07:51 PM
I'm more of a Half Life gamer myself.
*imagines Ash and Henry shooting up headcrabs and headcrab zombies*
Ashley... :(

majorsal
November 11th, 2009, 09:49 PM
i rewatched the ep... wow.

and the shower scene was *much* shorter than i remembered! :p but i think that's b/c when i first saw it, i was so blown away i was holding my breath or something. hehe.

amanda was won.der.ful!!!

the only thing i didn't care for were the zombies, but that's how they moved and walked around. but that was a small thing and i think the ep was great!!

AresLover452
November 11th, 2009, 09:52 PM
i rewatched the ep... wow.

and the shower scene was *much* shorter than i remembered! :p but i think that's b/c when i first saw it, i was so blown away i was holding my breath or something. hehe.

amanda was won.der.ful!!!

the only thing i didn't care for were the zombies, but that's how they moved and walked around. but that was a small thing and i think the ep was great!!

Totally. I also rewated it and i was like OMFGS!!!!! NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO HELEN!!!

EvenstarSRV
November 11th, 2009, 09:57 PM
No your not the only one that was not in love with this eppy, but I am 29 and I guess I am just not into stuff that younger viewers are. So far this season is not really up to where the first one was. End of nights was ok. Hero was just eh for me. And this one was just NOT interesting to me. I did like seeing her deal with her grief but I thought it was rather silly that she wanted to shorten her life when she could have just jumped off her high spot in the Sanctuary.

Everyone has been debating the point if she was trying to kill herself or what. We are all told that Helen is very strong, wise, yada yada, the want to shorten her life to me felt like a neat side step to saying she wanted to kill herself. :cool: Not a zombie fan and Will's acting was just so distracting! Did like the idea behind the story and the idea that Helen wanted to end her life but instead damned man kind.

I agree with slurredspeech on this, I think there's a distinct difference between Helen wanting to kill herself and Helen wanting a normal lifespan.



My guess is it looked better on paper that it did on screen. Also we are told that the show needs to be less Americanized, so why the heck are we looking at NY in the background?

Well, the main Sanctuary is set in America (the Pacific Northwest) so I'd imagine the backgrounds would be rather Americanized. Though honestly, I didn't even realize it was the Brooklyn bridge until it was pointed out. And I'd say the effort to show other Sanctuaries in Japan, London, and later Mumbai do add a global feel to the show.

Personally, I rather liked the opening sequence, with Helen trying to figure what was going on along with the viewer. And I think the set dec and lighting really sold the post-apocalyptic world. In a nuclear winter (so many cities being nuked) the place is going to be gray and colorless.

The tiling was overdone at times, I generally like the effect but they should probably be more judicious in how the use it, or it gets annoying like the overuse of bullet-time in the later Matrix films.

kes
November 12th, 2009, 01:37 AM
IIRC... Helen said she had gone to Honduras "10 years ago, not long after Ashley died." And Will said that Helen died "3 years ago." So she would have lived through 7 years of the virus taking over the world. I could be wrong, but I thought that's what they said.


Oh yes horrible chore ;) (I guess thats a chore i've done a few times then)

I thought that it had been maybe 3-5 yrs since she had been killed. I doubt i'm right, but i was thinking maybe she lived through 1 to 2 years through the world ending around her. IDK

Khentkawes is right. Will says Magnus died 3 years ago. And Magnus says it was 10 years ago, a little after Ash died.

But i'm guessing it took a bit longer till she figured out she was patient zero.
----

I dont think this ep is for adolecents only. I guess if you dont like end of the world stories, or plague stories you wouldnt like this ep. Its normal, we dont all like the same things. I happen to love zombie, plagues, end of the world stories and I'm 26.


But the ending was a bit iffy. this ep needed to be longer.

KaKaCarter
November 12th, 2009, 03:51 AM
I'm 31 and i loved this episode and find the idea that some people think it was aimed at adolescents as laughable. I thought it was a well delivered and visually stunning episode. With the exception of hero sanctuary has delivered on the raw promise i saw in season 1. I just hope it continues to be the first series in a while to truly excite me.

Mousie
November 12th, 2009, 05:28 AM
I wasn't able to enjoy the episode because the transmission was crap, it kept futzing the sound and pixilating it! Grrr. I asw enough to know what was going on but it was too corrupted to enjoy it fully. I'v set the PVR to record the repeat episode so hopefully it will be better quality and I can see it properly.

I liked what I saw though. I would hope that the mist creature has more defenses as the vision wouldn't stop a lot of people from taking it, many would think that they would be able to contain the virus. I found it interesting that it was still guarding it and wouldn't allow the vial to be destroyed, maybe it knows that it might be needed in the future or that perhaps there is no way to destroy it without releasing it.

On the whole it was another excellent episode.

Blue Shadowdancer
November 12th, 2009, 06:56 AM
I'm more of a Half Life gamer myself.
*imagines Ash and Henry shooting up headcrabs and headcrab zombies*
Ashley... :(

You know, that scenario also went through my mind when I was watching :P I could picture Helen with a crowbar...

Really loved this episode. I wasn't at all expecting the revelation that she was patient zero, which was great.

And the shower scene... *shivers* Wow. Amazing acting.

WishIwasJoes
November 12th, 2009, 07:06 AM
I'm 31 and i loved this episode and find the idea that some people think it was aimed at adolescents as laughable. I thought it was a well delivered and visually stunning episode. With the exception of hero sanctuary has delivered on the raw promise i saw in season 1. I just hope it continues to be the first series in a while to truly excite me.

I was not in any way meaning that people that like this episode means they are young kids with no taste. I am futher more not saying that the fan base from 13-21 should all be lumped into one mass group. EVERYONE is different. I just felt that alot of people here on gateworld are younger than me, thats all. That was the ONLY reason I stated my age, I KNOW for a fact that I do not like alot of what younger people like, but thats normal. Just as I do not care half the time for what some one 15 years my senior is going to like. I also stated my age because I was wondering if perhaps my age was why I did not like the show, but thanks everyone for lashing out! (please read that with some humor!) :lol:

Honestly this season is just not doing it for me. I watch last season because I loved the mystery and the abnormals. Along the way I got attached to Tesla and Ashely, also watson! (but hes dead! oh and so is ashley) So far the only abnormal eppy we have had was Hero and it was just ok. I am waiting for a Folding Man feel episode.

jckfan55
November 12th, 2009, 08:43 AM
I was not in any way meaning that people that like this episode means they are young kids with no taste. I am futher more not saying that the fan base from 13-21 should all be lumped into one mass group. EVERYONE is different. I just felt that alot of people here on gateworld are younger than me, thats all. That was the ONLY reason I stated my age...

And some, ahem, are...ahem...older...than you. ;) I'm not a fan of zombies at all, but I thought these were pretty good.

As for Khent's point about it being slow--I thoughtit was a little at the beginning too. But I guess I was willing to go with the flow of the ep.

Linda06
November 12th, 2009, 08:48 AM
IThat's... awfully presumptuous. I'm sorry, but not everyone who enjoyed this ep is 13, or has - juvenile? unrefined? easily entertained? - taste.
Just as it would be unfair and horribly incorrect to assume everyone who didn't is a big mean meanie who, I don't know, hates AT and MW and secretly wishes their carreers to plummet.

Well I'm 36 and I loved this ep :p



i rewatched the ep... wow.

and the shower scene was *much* shorter than i remembered! :p but i think that's b/c when i first saw it, i was so blown away i was holding my breath or something. hehe.

amanda was won.der.ful!!!

the only thing i didn't care for were the zombies, but that's how they moved and walked around. but that was a small thing and i think the ep was great!!

When that shower scene came on I was like.....WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING??? I was ready to jump into the TV and smack them one :p

WishIwasJoes
November 12th, 2009, 12:34 PM
Oh please I do not want MW and AT to fail. Then there would be no sanctuary at all. And yes I am sad that my favorite character is gone. I only mentioned the back drop because I was listening to the Commentary for the show and MW stated he did not want the show to be domniated by American stuff. Sorry you are taking all my feed back the way you are. (And no I am not being rude. I do not take this show that much to heart, I just like talking about how I feel about stuff.)

RealmOfX
November 12th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Oh please I do not want MW and AT to fail. Then there would be no sanctuary at all. And yes I am sad that my favorite character is gone. I only mentioned the back drop because I was listening to the Commentary for the show and MW stated he did not want the show to be domniated by American stuff. Sorry you are taking all my feed back the way you are. (And no I am not being rude. I do not take this show that much to heart, I just like talking about how I feel about stuff.)

Oh please! Will you stop with your passive aggressive garbage. You expressed your opinion (multiple times) and others expressed theirs. Please extend the same courtesy to others that you are demanding for yourself.

Eternal Density
November 12th, 2009, 02:52 PM
You know, that scenario also went through my mind when I was watching :P I could picture Helen with a crowbar...Ooooh!
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And yeah, the shower scene was like half the length the second time I watched. Funny the tricks our minds play on us!

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 03:12 PM
Ooooh!
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And yeah, the shower scene was like half the length the second time I watched. Funny the tricks our minds play on us!


considering what we were seeing the first time. I thought it was longer the first time too.

Less
November 12th, 2009, 03:28 PM
considering what we were seeing the first time. I thought it was longer the first time too.
Sort of like how it takes you longer to get to someplace new the first time you go there. Your mind doesn't know what to expect, so each detail gets a bit of processing time in your brain. On the repeat, your brain knows it can skip over some stuff. Brains are fascinating!

I'm trying to decide if I want to do my "second viewing" tonight, or wait till tomorrow and run it right before the new episode. Hmmm.

Truly this show, for me, keeps getting better. Not perfect. Will's acting sometimes annoys me, and Kate is just too stereotypical for me so far, but hey...it's WAY more enjoyable than SGU right now.

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 03:36 PM
Because this show has better effects and AT is brilliant. This eppy just proved that more and more.

badwolfSG
November 12th, 2009, 11:04 PM
\ Will's acting sometimes annoys me,

Will's getting better. In the begining I wasn't sure I would like he, now he an okay kinda guy.

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 11:10 PM
He is getting better. exploring the dark, life not worth living, end of the world, will was a bit of a stretch, but he is getting better.

badwolfSG
November 12th, 2009, 11:17 PM
He is getting better. exploring the dark, life not worth living, end of the world, will was a bit of a stretch, but he is getting better.

Yes, but I thought did he excellent in REQUIEM.

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 11:20 PM
Yes he did.

WishIwasJoes
November 13th, 2009, 06:04 AM
Oh please! Will you stop with your passive aggressive garbage. You expressed your opinion (multiple times) and others expressed theirs. Please extend the same courtesy to others that you are demanding for yourself.

I am really just trying to explain myself to slurr and not ruffle feathers.

Alan
November 13th, 2009, 07:40 AM
Ooooh!
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And yeah, the shower scene was like half the length the second time I watched. Funny the tricks our minds play on us!

Definitely! First time viewing it seemed like it was going on a long while. You know how long that entire scene takes from the moment Helen gets thrown to the ground to the two men leaving her alone? 50 seconds. That's it. For us it felt a lot longer in watching...how long must it have felt like for Helen to experience?

Rocky89
November 13th, 2009, 09:09 AM
Absolutely FANTASTIC episode. This might even be my favourite in the entire series to date.

The 'feel' of the whole thing, the kind of Resident Evil/post-apocalyptic thing was bloody brilliant. When they were ripping off Helen's clothes I was absolutely mortified that it was going to be some kind of horrific gang rape, and then it mutated into a not-quite-as-bad (but still unpleasant) Planet of the Apes hosing down. The ruined city and ruined Sanctuary were wonderful to behold; really the entire colour palette/lighting of the episode was wonderful.

Besides that, awesome. (And Druitt had an off-screen Dr. Strangelove demise, that's hilarious :D)

Again, same here. Since watching the show from the start, I've never been more shocked or mortified, I actually feared for her, I was covering my mouth with my hands. :(:o

Sure it ended up being something not quite as bad, but still. :(

(((Helen)))


http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/5210/vlcsnap00009x.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap00009x.jpg/)

In the background on the right is the Brooklyn Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LOC_Brooklyn_Bridge_and_East_River_Edit_3.jpg) and the glass reflective buildings in the background on the left is the World Financial Center in lower Manhattan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYC-WorldFinancialCenter.jpg) (though the Wiki picture is taken from Jersey rather than Brooklyn), across the street from where the WTC used to be.

It seems the Sanctuary is in Brooklyn :D

Actually going to the Innerspace special of the show (which I taped and put on YT) Sanctuary takes place in "New City". Check it out- InnerSpace- Behind the Scenes: Sanctuary Pt. 1 of 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9pAB4YvB_o)


That was the saddest part of this eppy. Druitt taking his life two weeks after Helen. Course in my mind that just solidifies how much he loves her, he wasn't willing to go on with out her.

but more than anything i loved the whole REsident Evil feel of this eppy. The darkness was played just right and AT was superb.

All in all the best eppy so far... lol!!

I agree with everything you said. :)

I actually find what he did beautiful in some way, he had lost Ashley and then Helen, and I think he knows he's as bad as people say he is, but maybe to him Helen and Ashley represent the good in him, and when they "supposedly" died he lost his will to go on.

I believe he does love Helen and a world without her or Ashley isn't a world he'd want to live him, he really be all alone, with no one to remind him of the good in him.


She almost made it sound like this was the first time she'd gone looking for a cure, but you have to wonder if she did at other times in her life too. Or maybe even if she went through dark periods she still had her work etc. But with the loss of Ashley she felt like it wasn't worth it anymore. (And of course she'd also recently lost her long time friend Watson, and Druitt and Tesla are basically nuts. ;) ).

I think Helen had been looking for a way before to end her longevity, but she hadn't put it on the top of her list of things to do. But when she lost Ashley, I think she had enough and got tired of watching people she cares and loves die all around her. I don't think she'd ever take her own life, but I think now she wants to find a way to remove her longevity and life out a normal life.



i rewatched the ep... wow.

and the shower scene was *much* shorter than i remembered! :p but i think that's b/c when i first saw it, i was so blown away i was holding my breath or something. hehe.

amanda was won.der.ful!!!

the only thing i didn't care for were the zombies, but that's how they moved and walked around. but that was a small thing and i think the ep was great!!


Totally. I also rewated it and i was like OMFGS!!!!! NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO HELEN!!!



When that shower scene came on I was like.....WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING??? I was ready to jump into the TV and smack them one :p


Definitely! First time viewing it seemed like it was going on a long while. You know how long that entire scene takes from the moment Helen gets thrown to the ground to the two men leaving her alone? 50 seconds. That's it. For us it felt a lot longer in watching...how long must it have felt like for Helen to experience?

OMG you 4 are so right. I also went back and saw that scene (:D) and I agree, it wasn't as long as when I first saw it, but it was still very *intense*. I'm like you Sally, I was holding my breath and when it was over my heart was racing, I kinda blacked out the next few minutes of the episode because I was just in shocked. Then when it seemed like Will was going to start torturing Helen I was like "Oh God, no more."

But yeah, that scene for me was the most intense scene of the whole series, and it was so sad and hard seeing Helen be humiliated, degraded, disrespected and violated like that. :( Oh and Alan to answer your question, I'd imagine it would have felt longer to her than it actually was. :(
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/24872_Amanda_Tapping-Sanctuary_2-1.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/24890_Amanda_Tapping-Sanctuary_2-1.jpg

(((Helen)))

Alan
November 13th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Oh and Alan to answer your question, I'd imagine it would have felt longer to her than it actually was. :(
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/24872_Amanda_Tapping-Sanctuary_2-1.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/24890_Amanda_Tapping-Sanctuary_2-1.jpg

(((Helen)))

I was actually asking a rhetorical question there...but thanks for answering anyway Rocky. :)

MissCheerfully
November 13th, 2009, 02:24 PM
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Ahh, guys, what is a mullet????????? I'm french and I'm not a living dictionary! XD I've been looking for a while, without understand.

Amalthea
November 13th, 2009, 02:29 PM
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Ahh, guys, what is a mullet????????? I'm french and I'm not a living dictionary! XD I've been looking for a while, without understand.

A mullet is a haircut (typically a male haircut) that is short in the front and very long in the back. Sometimes people describe it as being "business in the front, party in the back." In north America, it was very popular in the 1980's. It's the hair cut MacGuyver had in his show.

So, Will kind of had a mullet going on with his hair in the last episode because it was so long in the back and kind of short in the front.

bossluna
November 13th, 2009, 02:36 PM
http://s799.photobucket.com/albums/yy272/xiratania/?action=view&current=Page_1-24.png
Ahh, guys, what is a mullet????????? I'm french and I'm not a living dictionary! XD I've been looking for a while, without understand.

aww..you poor thing. ;)

go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullet_(haircut)

and then according to Robin Dunne, he looks like Bono circa 80's...so go here next and enjoy the music as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOBnyHFemZA

of course Amanda, Damian and Martin think his mullet is more like this guy's mullet....http://forladiesbyladies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/billy-ray-cyrusmtgzoa.jpg

I hope that helps. :D

Khentkawes
November 13th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Khentkawes is right. Will says Magnus died 3 years ago. And Magnus says it was 10 years ago, a little after Ash died.

Yay for me! ;) I can't always trust my own memory.


I guess if you dont like end of the world stories, or plague stories you wouldnt like this ep. Its normal, we dont all like the same things. I happen to love zombie, plagues, end of the world stories and I'm 26.

I like end of the world stories, but not zombies. Take that as you will. :) But I agree with you that the style of this episode probably wasn't for everyone. Nothing wrong with that... that's just the way it works some times.



As for Khent's point about it being slow--I thoughtit was a little at the beginning too. But I guess I was willing to go with the flow of the ep.

I might have been willing to go along with it... if I had gotten into the "mystery" in the beginning. I think that was the key. If, as a viewer, I had felt as confused as Helen by her mysterious surroundings, then I might have gotten into the story. As it was... I didn't. I knew she was in the future (thanks to the previews) and I was waiting for zombies to appear (just based on the lighting and effects, there had to be zombies, right? ;)). I think it might have worked for me if they had compressed the first 20 minutes into about 8-10 minutes, and then spent a bit more time on the resolution at the end. I've noticed some comments that people wanted it to be longer, so maybe that would have solved that problem too. *shrug* It would have been my preference anyway.

helenmagnus23
November 14th, 2009, 05:29 AM
It's been a while scince i last watched PARVOR NOCTURNUSand i cant get that shower scene out of my head i keep imaging how scary it was for Helen .

I have the shower scene on my cell phone but i cant watch it , Amanda done that scene so well you can feel how scared Helen is i feel it each time i watch the full eps .

jckfan55
November 15th, 2009, 08:12 AM
I might have been willing to go along with it... if I had gotten into the "mystery" in the beginning. I think that was the key. If, as a viewer, I had felt as confused as Helen by her mysterious surroundings, then I might have gotten into the story. As it was... I didn't. I knew she was in the future (thanks to the previews) and I was waiting for zombies to appear (just based on the lighting and effects, there had to be zombies, right? ;)). I think it might have worked for me if they had compressed the first 20 minutes into about 8-10 minutes, and then spent a bit more time on the resolution at the end. I've noticed some comments that people wanted it to be longer, so maybe that would have solved that problem too. *shrug* It would have been my preference anyway.

I can agree with you there. They seemed to want to show as much zombie as possible (the least interesting to me) at the expense of more character issues like why Helen got herself into this situation.

Rocky89
November 15th, 2009, 06:29 PM
It's been a while scince i last watched PARVOR NOCTURNUSand i cant get that shower scene out of my head i keep imaging how scary it was for Helen .

I have the shower scene on my cell phone but i cant watch it , Amanda done that scene so well you can feel how scared Helen is i feel it each time i watch the full eps .

Totally. :(

It's hard to watch that scene even now, I still can't get the look of fear on Helen's face or voice out of my head either. That must have been one of *the* lowest and degrading moments in her life. :(


(((Helen)))

hisg1fans
November 23rd, 2009, 09:28 AM
At AT4, AT said the shower scene was the most difficult scene she's done in her career. It really affected her mentally and not just physically. It was extremely wet and cold but pretty scary too.

I really like the episode. Although, I kept wondering how they were going to get back to 'normal' by the end. Quite a difference seeing the Sanctuary in the beginning and in the last scene.

Skydiver
November 23rd, 2009, 09:38 AM
maybe, at the end, it would have been nice to have helen, with will gone, writing in her journal, something about her grief driving her to extremes...she writes it all down...then she burns it, keeping her secret

Malty
November 26th, 2009, 10:53 AM
Best episode of season 2 by far, I loved the story and the whole concept and the fact that John had sacrificed himself after Helen died the look on her face.

I love to see episodes like this :)

Rocky89
December 3rd, 2009, 03:42 PM
If anyone is interested, I thought I'd drop this off. It's a Zip file I made of the hose scene, it's 165 screencaps and a good quality vid of the scene- Helen's Hose Down Scene.zip (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3PRYW6MC)

(((Helen)))

Alan
December 3rd, 2009, 05:14 PM
If anyone is interested, I thought I'd drop this off. It's a Zip file I made of the hose scene, it's 165 screencaps and a good quality vid of the scene- Helen's Hose Down Scene.zip (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3PRYW6MC)

(((Helen)))


(((Helen)))

Thanks Rocky. Three weeks later and this is still my all-time favourite episode of Sanctuary. After this the two episodes which followed felt more like "CSI: Old City" to be honest. For me I think it's really going to take a lot to top this episode.

Rocky89
December 3rd, 2009, 05:29 PM
(((Helen)))

Thanks Rocky. Three weeks later and this is still my all-time favourite episode of Sanctuary. After this the two episodes which followed felt more like "CSI: Old City" to be honest. For me I think it's really going to take a lot to top this episode.

Maybe tomorrow's episode. ;) *Spoiler for Ep 8Helen in the water for an hour, what could be better? :D

Alan
December 3rd, 2009, 05:38 PM
Maybe tomorrow's episode. ;) *Spoiler for Ep 8 Helen in the water for an hour, what could be better? :D

Hmmmm...maybe we should move this conversation to another thread? :D

es!
December 29th, 2009, 07:10 AM
This is the only Sanctuary ep I saw so far.

I agree that it looks too much like "I Am Legend" - the movie that I really didn't like :mckay:
I also didn't like the split screen and the overall feeling of watching a comic cartoon.

However, I liked the dramatic moments a lot: Will telling Helen how the rest of them died, and especially Helen finding out that she was patient zero (WOW, what a twist!!!).

Re: that scene when Helen was hosed down -
AT told that she had a body double for that scene, in case nobody mentioned it here before :o
(doesn't make this scene less dramatic and scary, tho!)

Alan
December 29th, 2009, 07:32 AM
This is the only Sanctuary ep I saw so far.

I agree that it looks too much like "I Am Legend" - the movie that I really didn't like :mckay:
I also didn't like the split screen and the overall feeling of watching a comic cartoon.

However, I liked the dramatic moments a lot: Will telling Helen how the rest of them died, and especially Helen finding out that she was patient zero (WOW, what a twist!!!).

Re: that scene when Helen was hosed down -
AT told that she had a body double for that scene, in case nobody mentioned it here before :o
(doesn't make this scene less dramatic and scary, tho!)

:S Are you sure about that? I heard that Amanda said that the shower scene was one of the most difficult scenes she had to do and that the water was very cold which suggested to me that everything you see in that scene IS Amanda. :S

dipsofjazz
December 29th, 2009, 07:43 AM
:S Are you sure about that? I heard that Amanda said that the shower scene was one of the most difficult scenes she had to do and that the water was very cold which suggested to me that everything you see in that scene IS Amanda. :S

At AT4 Amanda mentioned that the long shot of naked Helen was a body double. She then discussed how she looked the actress in the eye to make sure that she was comfortable doing the scene. The majority of that scene was Amanda.

es!
December 29th, 2009, 08:43 AM
At AT4 Amanda mentioned that the long shot of naked Helen was a body double. She then discussed how she looked the actress in the eye to make sure that she was comfortable doing the scene. The majority of that scene was Amanda.

Exactly :)

Alan
December 29th, 2009, 09:30 AM
At AT4 Amanda mentioned that the long shot of naked Helen was a body double. She then discussed how she looked the actress in the eye to make sure that she was comfortable doing the scene. The majority of that scene was Amanda.

Thanks for explaining, that dipsofjazz. Much appreciated. :) I am incredibly surprised that Amanda needed a body double just for that because...in my humble estimations...there's very little of naked Helen to see and I'm sure that SyFy would have wrapped Sanctuary's PTB knuckles very hard for showing a fully nude woman so they wouldn't have done it anyway and Amanda could still have done the long-shots herself. Very odd. :S