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GateWorld
October 11th, 2009, 05:41 AM
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The team's efforts are thwarted by an ordinary man playing superhero in the city, thanks to a suit that gives him special powers. A crime boss uses Kate's brother to convince her to work for him, and the team hunts a rapidly-evolving insectoid creature.

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Skydiver
October 30th, 2009, 07:02 PM
well, gotta say it....mediocre

walter was kinda cheesy and 'painful' like martin lloyd. so was the comic book idea

nice to see the dude from Eureka

I liked the Kate part, proving her loyalty, and the monster hunt was...ok

all in all it was just kinda flat.

biggy's hair seemed wrong, as did his mannerisms, i'd swear that helen's accent was different. it just wasn't a stunner like the last two.

kv0921
October 30th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Loved it Loved It LOVED IT..Need I say more,

You never know Amanda may have been sick when she shot that episode hencing why her accent may have been different. Walter was funny as Was Henry. Big Guys hair was...funny but okay always always on my toes with this season.

Cant wait till the next one. That one...will be BRILLIANT. as was this one

DigiFluid
October 30th, 2009, 07:10 PM
The good:
- The new intro credits are interesting. It was nice to see Ryan Robbins added to them, and they looked good. Sad to see Emilie Ullerup gone though :(

- I also found it hilarious to see Vincent from Eureka dressed up as an overweight superhero obsessed with comic books....and jazzing up his outfit with hockey gloves :D Plus, the suit being made of some kind of bug...that's a pretty cool, very sci-fi thing.

- And, of course, the Spock thing at the end!


The odd:
- Not a mention of Ashley? At all? No mourning whatsoever?!

- Kate was less annoying, but still annoying. Considering I've wanted to put my eyes out every time she's been on screen till now, I suppose this is an improvement.

The bad:
- Will and Brit guy were popping wheelies while chasing that empath guy....come on! Talk about bad, bad stuff--I felt like I was watching crap like VIP when that happened. And as long as I'm loosely on the same subject, they ended up completely ignoring the empath plot!

- The multicam has to go. Like I said last week, this close to calling it quits because of that alone.

- The green screening, which had looked DRASTICALLY improved in the last few weeks, has suddenly gone back to looking terrible and terribly obvious.

- I REALLY could've done without seeing the gory remains of a cat :(

- the bug chasing a-plot in the warehouse felt like a huge rehash of the first season episode with Tory from BSG in it

- the Kate b-plot was so horribly forced and cliched it wasn't interesting in the least

- what in the hell was Kate wearing? Since when did she go emo biker goth?

badwolfSG
October 30th, 2009, 07:12 PM
well, gotta say it....mediocre

walter was kinda cheesy and 'painful' like martin lloyd. so was the comic book idea

nice to see the dude from Eureka




Oh, yes I agree with the word choice painful! I think he was worst than Martin and that should say something about his acting skills b/c I loved him in Eureka and Harper island.

Overall, I liked Kate storyline best!

This is just my personal opinion but I just can't see Will doing any type of trick on a bike, just me?

P.S. Sad to see Emilie Ullerup name gone for the intro.

jds1982
October 30th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Um Kate Freedlander isn't for sale? Isn't that her basic job description?

Gem of Tigress
October 30th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Loved it. Yep somebody got eaten.

Amalthea
October 30th, 2009, 07:22 PM
Not my favourite so far.

The main plot was a little SG1's arm bands mixed with SGA's McKay's green shieldy thing. But, different enough that I wasn't too distracted by it.

The Kate bits were a little predictable, which was unfortunate, but I enjoyed that guy got eaten. Can someone remind me who/what Steve is? It's on the tip of my brain but I can't find it.

It's good they softened Kate more, too. Magnus totally knew what happened since the mermaid definitely squealed but, she's clearly with the Sanctuary crowd now.

The capturing of the big bug was good too.

EvenstarSRV
October 30th, 2009, 07:49 PM
The Kate bits were a little predictable, which was unfortunate, but I enjoyed that guy got eaten. Can someone remind me who/what Steve is? It's on the tip of my brain but I can't find it.

I think he's an abnormal we saw in the webisodes, Ashley and Henry were testing a sonic weapon with him. Not sure if he's appeared on the TV show.



It's good they softened Kate more, too. Magnus totally knew what happened since the mermaid definitely squealed but, she's clearly with the Sanctuary crowd now.


Hmm, good point about the mermaid, that helps Helen trusting Kate at the end make more sense to me.

Overall, a rather 'meh' episode. Reminded me a lot of Nubbins, a light-hearted romp that you just don't take very seriously.

I liked seeing Declan again, Chris Gauthier was funny as the Adjuster, and I did get a laugh out of Henry and his comic book references, though the sudden jump in time at the end was strange. And while I've generally liked the split-screen stuff, it didn't seem to be used very effectively in this episode.

In many ways I enjoyed the Kate B story more than the A story, though a lot of her dialog is still jarring. I'm guessing the 'not for sale' line is meant to imply that Kate entirely given up the con artist/thief job and thrown her lot in with the Sanctuary. Not sure I completely buy that yet, I hope Magnus still keeps her on a short leash, so to speak.

I actually didn't mind too much that Ashley was not mentioned, since a lot of Eulogy was like a farewell to the character. And even though EU's name is no longer in the credits, I like that they've kept her picture.

On the plus side, next week's episode looks fantastic, I can't wait.

Mack_1
October 30th, 2009, 08:11 PM
It's good they softened Kate more, too. Magnus totally knew what happened since the mermaid definitely squealed but, she's clearly with the Sanctuary crowd now.

The capturing of the big bug was good too.
:cameron:
totally agree, Helen knows what happen but she sees, Kate is there to stay and prove to them she can be trust.
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Very different episode from the last three, I found myself laughing through almost the whole episode. So although is not a favorite I’ll say I like it..good buffer episode.:sam:

What I didn’t like was as I believe everybody is going to comment the lack of Ashley’s mourning, yeap! I thought there be more sad scenes, mentions of Ashley or something but not, TPTB totally steep from that; so I will assume that time has pass already since at the end f the episode when they are reading the comic book they tell you a “few months” had pass.

The only time I could see a remembrance of what happen to Ashley, was when Walter said, “You risk your life every day doing what you do” the face expression on Amanda/Magnus totally takes you briefly to a place where she is still mourning then Will looking at her, reaffirms that cause the way he looks at Magnus is one of concern and pain. :(

After that remark they don’t insist to Walter of talking the suit off. So in a way they are still struggling with Ashley’s departure but not emphasizing that too much.

“Super guy” was good, the insects forming the hero suit was totally sanctuary stuff and him not been able to come up with a “trade mark line” was so funny.

Kate…I’m still debating myself about her, as some have say she was predictable but I’m glad she let the other’s know “she is not for sale” thought is going to be hard for the others to accept that since it seems she has live her life like that.

Magnus and Will asking Walter where he found the suit, when he is describing his “super powers” and he goes “X ray vision” the faces on first Magnus and then Will were hilarious.:weiranime20:

Henry knowing all those comics and then finding out Walter stole his idea was good too.;)

At the end of the episode, you can’t help to notice how at ease they all seem to be with each other, Kate has been with them more time and she is fitting in well.

suse
October 30th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Yep. :) Got a lot of guffaws. In a good way. I enjoyed the ep for what it was - lighthearted.

What was with Biggie? I'm not so sure it was CH all the time. And he was chatty at times, with an odd (for him) voice.

I think I tend to not like car/motorcycle chases. Since when is Will a biker? :S Was jarring. :( Overall, reminded me of another pop-a-wheelie bike chase. :( Though this was better. Marginally.

I rather wish this hadn't been aired *right* after Eulogy. I guess Eulogy was a transition piece, but...

:P Last point... no wa a comic book would be written, sold, inked, marketed and nominated for awards within a few months.

:D Loved that Kate fed Constantine to the tentacle.

I know I mentioned a lot of faults, but overall, I liked this ep.

:D That look Helen gave Henry when he mentioned sonic hearing... :lol: Then next scene was Helen using a police scanner to catch him.

suse

AnnieS
October 30th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Ryan added to the opening credits, Finally. And DAMN he looked good.

And Eureaka. I was trying to remember where else I had seen him. He was also in Stargate Ark Of Truth, Smallville and Stargate Atlantis! He's been in lots other, but these are the ones I remember!!!

lordofseas
October 30th, 2009, 09:52 PM
I hope that the goo gets used in another epic battle. :P

majorsal
October 30th, 2009, 10:16 PM
after the super drama of the first 3 eps, i felt a bit let down. it was a fun enough ep, but after coming off those first 3...

nice bits through out the ep. i liked how kate dealt with the jerk (and how she punched her brother when he first came up to her for a hug :p), and especially liked how helen officially brought her into the fold.

someone said on another thread that this wasn't supposed to be the next ep right after 'eulogy', and i can see that an ashley mention was very much needed. too bad.

all in all, fun, but nothing wow.

:)

allfornot
October 30th, 2009, 10:38 PM
not to be mean but HORRIBLE writing and utterly UNDESIRABLE directing

reasons: Helen acts as though she never had a child. (you dont get over something that tragic..its that simple...some of you will say "well they cant spend all the shows dwelling on" but they can reflect and even so maybe they should have not killed her of then if they are not willing to reflect on it properly

makes for phony really cheesy television. not believable in the slightest

also, um whats with the superhero? Kate? and Will magically being able to ride bikes...they are trying to hard to fill ashleys void.

like my mother always said: if you cant do something right...DONT DO IT AT ALL..

so sad...so disappointing. if its gonna be like this from now on i think im done.. time to find a new show.:(

atlantis_babe34
October 30th, 2009, 11:18 PM
This whole business with Will being able to ride a motorbike... people look at me an would never guess what i ride a motorbike. i'm not being picky or anything but the writers don;t ahve to write in a line that say that when Will was 14 he started riding a motorbike for a few years as a sport and have a flashback of it....if Will rides a motorbike then the audience should assume that hes ridden one before. Its like Cam on SG-1 riding the motorbike... i assumede that he's ridden one before...

Replicator Todd
October 30th, 2009, 11:30 PM
I liked this episode, I thought it was fun! Although I'd rather not have any more stories like this in the future. I'm still not fully used to the show yet, but i'm enjoying it!

siles
October 31st, 2009, 04:12 AM
What's up with the 'funny' episode so soon after Ashley's demise?
Since when is Helen into kidnapping innocent citizens (the hero)?
Vala-wannabe still gets on my nerves
And I still don't like the split screen technique that Martin seems to be so fond of.

jckfan55
October 31st, 2009, 05:04 AM
Well, I was disappointed in this episode, especially as the next episode after Eulogy.
I realize they were going to move on, but I was hoping things wouldn't have been quite so back to normal. And silly. :rolleyes:

One look at that ridiculous "super hero" and I was rolling my eyes. I was not amused.
Will has apparently been training on Ashley's bike, huh?

The suit/abnormal did turn out to be sort of interesting but couldn't totally overcome the silliness.

They seem to be integrating Kate pretty quickly. She seems to be marginally loyal to the Sanctuary. I was kind of rooting for her when she killed the bad guy. She sort of needed to to get him off her and her brother's back and she showed she wasn't going to betray the Sanctuary either.

An ok, episode but pales in comparison to the last few.

RealmOfX
October 31st, 2009, 05:24 AM
<snip>
someone said on another thread that this wasn't supposed to be the next ep right after 'eulogy', and i can see that an ashley mention was very much needed. too bad.

That's not correct, it was ep 5 the Tesla ep that got switched, Hero was always slotted here.




So...

A request to Damian & Co : please do not waste one of a short season of 13 episodes on an obligatory "funny" episode every season.

Seriously.

DON'T



I went in to this episode with no expectations, a good thing really because I found it quite mediocre. There were some good parts and I thought the concept of the suit was quite good but overall - meh (not even Meh just meh). It was OK to watch once but... I'm adding to my list of not gonna watch again episodes (Warriors now has company).


Way to go team! No mention of Ashley :mckay:

tagger
October 31st, 2009, 07:04 AM
I like AM as a writer, so i wanted to like this episode, but it was a neutral one for me.

Loved: the suit idea. Very cool. :cool: Sentient beehive/ hive/ parasite of some sort. Liked that AM got CPK -3 reference right. Makes sense skeletal muscle CPK would be elevated with all the bouncing about the Adjuster goes through. Loved the Sanctuary library floor. I like all the beautiful stuff Anthem comes up with.

Liked: "Live long and prosper." My daughter laughed outright at that one. =) Liked the silly superhero and the comic book stuff. What can I say, I like goofy and I thought the actor was the right amount of dork - not over the top. Glad Freelander wasn't a total lowlife - protected the sanctuary instead of pilfering it.

Disliked: Biggie on the team outings instead of Ash. What does he do that is useful? And, his makeup or something was off. His face looked totally different in the library scene.

Really disliked: No reference to Ash or her death? Puhlease. No matter how a mother grieves, or friend's grieve, this is unrealistic. It also feels disrespectful to the character (IMO - and I am not wanting to sound harsh). Still don't like Freelander, sorry. I want to out of loyalty, but I can't. On a happy note, my daughter liked her in this episode!:)

Looking forward to the next episode.

Want Ash back.

Jeffer
October 31st, 2009, 07:20 AM
yeah i agree with most on here very mediocre ep. I think the real reason i wasn't happy with it is where it is in the season its not the right time for a standalone, right after all the darkness of the first 3

Skydiver
October 31st, 2009, 08:33 AM
i did love the bit, when henry is sayiing 'super hearing?' and helen just give him this look 'oh henry' and we see that it's the scanner
cute how they handled that

I too agree that the mermaid ratted Kate out, which was how helen know exactly what happened.

next week's does look stellar, but this was just...it's like everyone was worn out after the past two eps and kinda was tired for this one

EH-T
October 31st, 2009, 09:01 AM
I agree with a lot of the comments made.

First, given the first three eps I think any ep would feel like a bit of a letdown to people. I enjoyed the ep but, let's face it, it's just not going to be as powerful as the first 3.

I don't watch Eureka so I'm not familiar with CG but I thought he did an excellent job. I also loved that he couldn't come up with a tag line and I lol'd at his comment on x-ray vision. The looks by him, AT and RD were all perfect. :)

I also agree the suit was a cool idea.

I don't always like the cg creatures but found the creature they were chasing was well done.

I also had to smile at the scene where Helen confronts the Avenger on the stairs. That is the entrance to the studio and we waited there for our tour after our driver dropped us off. That's where we met MW. :)

I'm glad others mentioned Bigfoot looking different. I noticed that too and wondered if it was my imagination.

I also agree with the comments about the lack of mention of Ashley. They can't spend all season constantly bringing it up but these are early days and there should be some fallout still. I think part of the problem was the placement of this episode. I can understand the folks at Sanctuary wanting to do something lighter after all the darkness and emotion of the first 3 eps but I think a more transitional ep might have been better with Hero following thereafter. It was just too jarring after what has transpired to jump to this right away.

I agree with whomever commented on the reaction of Helen and Will when the adjuster commented on how they face danger or death every day. AT's look obviously conveyed the pain of losing Ashley but, for me at least, I wanted more in the ep.

Why was Declan involved? Shouldn't he be rebuilding the London Sanctuary? Did I miss something?

I liked Kate's storyline but I am finding her switch to the Sanctuary team just a little too quick.

flea247
October 31st, 2009, 09:16 AM
there seems to have been a jump in the time line that we are unaware of.... things did seen to move on a little too quickly for my liking .... i think the only parts i liked in this ep were kates story... she is growing on me, and also at the end with the comic book it was good to see everyone enjoying themselves.. though again the time line is a bit odd... why jump so far ahead?

as others have said mediocre and the ep is in the wrong place

Skydiver
October 31st, 2009, 09:34 AM
we don't need to dwell on ash's death...but you know, since a motor cycle was involved, a tiny shot of two bikes parked outside the sanctuary, with a third one there with ash's helmet hanging off the side...that's all it woulda taken.

ann_sgcfan
October 31st, 2009, 10:50 AM
I thought CG did a great job. He was the klutzy superhero I thought he would be, but enduring as well. :) I thought the suit was pretty cool idea. Him trying to find his catch phrase was cute.

I was glad they had Kate's past coming back to haunt her. When she brought them into the Sanctuary I wondered what in the world she was up too. Then when the mermaid showed up I knew she was busted... but I'm glad in the end she defended the Sanctuary. I did like her little better in this episode and I didn't like her at all in the first episode.

I agree with whoever said the look on Helen's face said a lot when the Adjuster talked about their dangerous work. I would have liked for them to have mentioned Ashley, but I'm not throwing any stones at them. There are still lots of show left to bring it up. This was a standalone episode that lightened the mood after three intense episodes and before another intense one next week.

I don't think that was CH playing bigfoot. He wasn't as tall as normal :P I wonder if this was when he was filming part two of the Twilight movie and he had someone else standing in for him.

EH-T
October 31st, 2009, 10:57 AM
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I don't think that was CH playing bigfoot. He wasn't as tall as normal :P I wonder if this was when he was filming part two of the Twilight movie and he had someone else standing in for him.

I also wondered whether CH was working elsewhere and that's why Bigfoot looked different. If that is the case we'll probably find out from the podcast.

BTW, I note that there was a reference in the end credits to Sanctuary for Kids. Coming soon to a website near you. :)

Mandysg1
October 31st, 2009, 12:53 PM
Ok, I went into this episode thinking, oh no another Warrriors :rolleyes: When I first saw the motor bike chase and Walter's super hero...I was still thinking "oy no". Then after a little while when we got to know Walter and what was behind his 'super powers' it wasn't so bad; Walter seemed endearing and the story a little poignant. I do think the comic book references would go off better to those who know the comics. Although I did have a laugh at the line about how dangerous it is to be a Renaissance re-enactor (only because my nephew used to do that :P).

The chase after the newly hatched abnormal wasn't too bad, it had the feel of Instinct (I wonder if it was shot in the same building?)

And the Kate story line...well I'm still not sure about how I feel about Kate, but they did try to show how she is changing. I just wonder about her feeding the bad guy to the 'creature'. Wouldn't that be considered murder? And if Helen knew about it (like it seems she knows everything that happens at the Sancturay) would she really condone that? I mean Helen was willing to kill the parasitic abnormal that was killing Walter, to save Walter even though she didn't like having to kill it. This part just sat wrong with me :S I know he was the bad guy, but there were many other things that could have been done (less deadly abnormals) than to have someone eaten :eek:

DigiFluid
October 31st, 2009, 01:21 PM
We all know the real reason people are bashing her is because Shes the new kick ass girl in replace of Ashley Magnus.

*snort*

No. Characters die all the time in sci-fi. It's just a fact. Generally though, producers try not to replace them with characters more annoying than fingernails on a chalkboard.

wkw427
October 31st, 2009, 01:24 PM
Fat-Man vs Bugzilla was the cheeisest thing I ahve ever saw

Mack_1
October 31st, 2009, 02:02 PM
And the Kate story line...well I'm still not sure about how I feel about Kate, but they did try to show how she is changing. I just wonder about her feeding the bad guy to the 'creature'. Wouldn't that be considered murder? And if Helen knew about it (like it seems she knows everything that happens at the Sancturay) would she really condone that? I mean Helen was willing to kill the parasitic abnormal that was killing Walter, to save Walter even though she didn't like having to kill it. This part just sat wrong with me :S I know he was the bad guy, but there were many other things that could have been done (less deadly abnormals) than to have someone eaten :eek:

Taking this out there, maybe killing this guy save her (Kate) the trouble of having to deal with him again in the future and saving her brother from further retaliation; yes I considered it murder but “justifiable” in some sort of way.

Helen; assuming she did know, (I think she did) accepted it as something that couldn’t be reverse nor for that acceptable, lest be bold; she knows firsthand what an enemy can do to you or your love ones; in this case all her abnormals could have been threaten;(reason enough to keep him in a cell but they could not do that) if the guy had been allowed to go free he would have cause havoc in the future so she just accepted as right what Kate did (dark Helen showing there) certain one was allow to go but that guy was more scare than nothing so maybe there was no really any harm on letting him go free.


As per the abnormal feeding from Walter and sucking his life away was not acceptable, they didn’t know the abnormal motives for doing just that but it was threatening a human life, “the cause justified the means” exchanging an innocent life for one that was doing harm, just as in the case of the abnormal they were chasing.

Sorry JMOP

Mandysg1
October 31st, 2009, 02:19 PM
Taking this out there, maybe killing this guy save her (Kate) the trouble of having to deal with him again in the future and saving her brother from further retaliation; yes I considered it murder but “justifiable” in some sort of way.

Helen; assuming she did know, (I think she did) accepted it as something that couldn’t be reverse nor for that acceptable, lest be bold; she knows firsthand what an enemy can do to you or your love ones; in this case all her abnormals could have been threaten;(reason enough to keep him in a cell but they could not do that) if the guy had been allowed to go free he would have cause havoc in the future so she just accepted as right what Kate did (dark Helen showing there) certain one was allow to go but that guy was more scare than nothing so maybe there was no really any harm on letting him go free.


As per the abnormal feeding from Walter and sucking his life away was not acceptable, they didn’t know the abnormal motives for doing just that but it was threatening a human life, “the cause justified the means” exchanging an innocent life for one that was doing harm, just as in the case of the abnormal they were chasing.

Sorry JMOP

All opinions welcome, so no need to be sorry ;)

prsweety
October 31st, 2009, 03:09 PM
I so agree with many of the comments here too..I think the episode was way to light and gitty after such a emotionally draining past 3 episodes. My thought is that they could of just hinted that Magnus was in solice for a couple of weeks in her room, at least to let people know she did mourn for that period of time. Then start the hero episode. It was just to sudden to be laughing about and all...I mean it was daughter for crying out loud...I"ll use Helen's words "She was her LIFE"......they really needed to place this ep. somewhere else in the season, not right after Eulogy. :(

EvenstarSRV
October 31st, 2009, 03:15 PM
And the Kate story line...well I'm still not sure about how I feel about Kate, but they did try to show how she is changing. I just wonder about her feeding the bad guy to the 'creature'. Wouldn't that be considered murder? And if Helen knew about it (like it seems she knows everything that happens at the Sancturay) would she really condone that? I mean Helen was willing to kill the parasitic abnormal that was killing Walter, to save Walter even though she didn't like having to kill it. This part just sat wrong with me :S I know he was the bad guy, but there were many other things that could have been done (less deadly abnormals) than to have someone eaten :eek:

That brings up an interesting question. It seems like, while she'd prefer to capture them alive, Helen doesn't have too much of a problem killing threatening abnormals, like the crypt monsters from Fata Morgana.

But have we seen her kill threatening humans? I mean, she threatened but didn't kill the fight club guy from Warriors, and she seemed to disapprove of Druitt and Tesla handling the Cabal by killing all of them. So would Helen really have condoned Kate's handling that mob guy by just killing him? I'm not sure...

jckfan55
October 31st, 2009, 03:21 PM
we don't need to dwell on ash's death...but you know, since a motor cycle was involved, a tiny shot of two bikes parked outside the sanctuary, with a third one there with ash's helmet hanging off the side...that's all it woulda taken.
I like it.

I so agree with many of the comments here too..I think the episode was way to light and gitty after such a emotionally draining past 3 episodes. My thought is that they could of just hinted that Magnus was in solice for a couple of weeks in her room, at least to let people know she did mourn for that period of time. Then start the hero episode. It was just to sudden to be laughing about and all...I mean it was daughter for crying out loud...I"ll use Helen's words "She was her LIFE"......they really needed to place this ep. somewhere else in the season, not right after Eulogy. :(

Maybe show Helen making an effort to join in with the lightheartedness but not quite being there yet. She knows she should get back to business but can't quite put her full mind and emotions there yet.

kes
October 31st, 2009, 03:28 PM
I liked it. It was a funny ep, the story worked for me. and I'm really digging Declon (sp), I wish he was the new addition!

But just as I feared, a funny ep after Ash death, didnt work!
Perhaps if Pavor Noturnus had been nr 4 and this nr 5.

Oh and Magnus sure warmed up to Kate real fast.

Is it just me or did the Big Guy look different? Was it CH playing him?Its wasnt just the hair LOL
Oh and Will sure learned out to ride a bike really fast and really well

Line Noise
October 31st, 2009, 03:37 PM
Anyone else notice the back of the comic book at the end of the episode? It looked like an ad for something called "SPACEDOOR". :-) Stargate reference you think?

WishIwasJoes
October 31st, 2009, 03:43 PM
What's up with the 'funny' episode so soon after Ashley's demise?
Since when is Helen into kidnapping innocent citizens (the hero)?
Vala-wannabe still gets on my nerves
And I still don't like the split screen technique that Martin seems to be so fond of.

Agreed to all. Just such a let down. :(

majorsal
October 31st, 2009, 03:55 PM
People are going to have there opinons, Honestly everyone is intitled to them but I have seen my fair share of bashing charectors they dont even know properly to bash like Kate Freelander, We all know the real reason people are bashing her is because Shes the new kick ass girl in replace of Ashley Magnus. This season is where Kate Grows and I hated Kate Freelander During End of Nights Part 1, She became okay after Part Two of End of Nights.

Yes everyone hates that they killed Ashley but Ask yourself. Does Anyone Really Die in Sci-fi? I mean come on Really do they? People are not watching the show anymore because of them killing Ashley. That is there choice but give it a chance. Sanctuary never ceases to amaze me and beyond the 'death' of Ashley is a great season with stories that need to be told and need fans like us to watch it. If you dont already know there is a storyline planned for season three involving our much loved bag and tag em girl.

Dont Knock something unless you try it, Dont Judge People that you know little to none about. Especially Dont Judge a show entirely on a charector that was killed off especially if its Sci-fi i mean come on. She isnt dead shes just in the multiverse.

Thats my Doctor Phil moment of the day.

i agree.

no one really seemed to care a rat's behind about ashley until she was offed. having read the replies on scifi wire (two different topic/posts re ashley), i find some unbelievably wtf responses. where was the love 'before' the character died? maybe if she'd been a fan fave, she wouldn't have been chosen to be offed.

jckfan55
October 31st, 2009, 03:58 PM
i agree.

no one really seemed to care a rat's behind about ashley until she was offed. having read the replies on scifi wire (two different topic/posts re ashley), i find some unbelievably wtf responses. where was the love 'before' the character died? maybe if she'd been a fan fave, she wouldn't have been chosen to be offed.

Maybe it's just that we never expected such a major character and unfinished storyline to be killed off. We didn't know we had to talk her up. :(

majorsal
October 31st, 2009, 04:15 PM
Maybe it's just that we never expected such a major character and unfinished storyline to be killed off. We didn't know we had to talk her up. :(

i also think i'm coming off reading some really stupid and lame butt responses on scifi wire... i should prob leave that place alone. :mckay:

i've *always* loved the mother/daughter relationship of sanctuary, but it was mostly what i wanted it to be, not what was shown. but it's not over for that storyline until the show's over. :)

but 'hero' *needed* a moment of grief from helen. that's my only real gripe. (maybe i should go to scif wire now and stomp my feet)


onto other things about the ep -

likes:
nice scene where hero guy put his hand up on the glass, and the creatures followed suit. nice symbiotic love affair. :p

i'm glad kate killed off the jerk. he would have never stopped. but i'm more glad she chose sanctuary.

loved helen officially bringing her in.

neat super hero suit.

i laughed when wil was complaining about being hurt (while bigfoot was soothing his owied head), but i :p when he said he'd go and cough up blood or something. :p

cute lines through out.


dislikes:
the jump in time to show us the comic book.

too funny after ashley's death, with no mourning moments.

Mandysg1
October 31st, 2009, 04:23 PM
i also think i'm coming off reading some really stupid and lame butt responses on scifi wire... i should prob leave that place alone. :mckay:

i've *always* loved the mother/daughter relationship of sanctuary, but it was mostly what i wanted it to be, not what was shown. but it's not over for that storyline until the show's over. :)

but 'hero' *needed* a moment of grief from helen. that's my only real gripe. (maybe i should go to scif wire now and stomp my feet)


onto other things about the ep -

likes:
nice scene where hero guy put his hand up on the glass, and the creatures followed suit. nice symbiotic love affair. :p

i'm glad kate killed off the jerk. he would have never stopped. but i'm more glad she chose sanctuary.

loved helen officially bringing her in.

neat super hero suit.

i laughed when wil was complaining about being hurt (while bigfoot was soothing his owied head), but i :p when he said he'd go and cough up blood or something. :p

cute lines through out.


dislikes:
the jump in time to show us the comic book.
too funny after ashley's death, with no mourning moments.

I actually I think they did that (and used the font they did) to make the episode look a comic book; as they have said before Sanctuary is supposed to have graphic novel look to it. This time they included a comic book look ;)

Skydiver
October 31st, 2009, 04:35 PM
it's possible that Constantine has been a thorn in Helen's side, exploiting, murdering abbys to sell thier parts, so helen didn't mind him dying

she seems to have that philosophy...i won't kill the pest, but if i happen to see someone threatening to kill said pest, i'm not obligated to stop them if it makes my life easier to let them be

Rocky89
October 31st, 2009, 05:00 PM
That's not correct, it was ep 5 the Tesla ep that got switched, Hero was always slotted here.




So...

A request to Damian & Co : please do not waste one of a short season of 13 episodes on an obligatory "funny" episode every season.

Seriously.

DON'T



I went in to this episode with no expectations, a good thing really because I found it quite mediocre. There were some good parts and I thought the concept of the suit was quite good but overall - meh (not even Meh just meh). It was OK to watch once but... I'm adding to my list of not gonna watch again episodes (Warriors now has company).


Way to go team! No mention of Ashley :mckay:

I disagree. I think there should be at least 1 funny episode a season, it lightens things up, and and it gives us a good laugh. And from what I've seen in the trailer for next week, it looks amazing. :)

Look at SG-1, they had funny episodes.


People are going to have there opinons, Honestly everyone is intitled to them but I have seen my fair share of bashing charectors they dont even know properly to bash like Kate Freelander, We all know the real reason people are bashing her is because Shes the new kick ass girl in replace of Ashley Magnus. This season is where Kate Grows and I hated Kate Freelander During End of Nights Part 1, She became okay after Part Two of End of Nights.

Yes everyone hates that they killed Ashley but Ask yourself. Does Anyone Really Die in Sci-fi? I mean come on Really do they? People are not watching the show anymore because of them killing Ashley. That is there choice but give it a chance. Sanctuary never ceases to amaze me and beyond the 'death' of Ashley is a great season with stories that need to be told and need fans like us to watch it. If you dont already know there is a storyline planned for season three involving our much loved bag and tag em girl.

Dont Knock something unless you try it, Dont Judge People that you know little to none about. Especially Dont Judge a show entirely on a charector that was killed off especially if its Sci-fi i mean come on. She isnt dead shes just in the multiverse.

Thats my Doctor Phil moment of the day.

I agree, we shouldn't bash anyone unless we know for sure who she is. And as for the bolded parts, I know of used MS/Daniel as examples before, but there's also PM/Carson from SGA, he died near the end of S3 and came back in S4.

All I'm saying is, wait until this is season over, or watch a little more of it then make up your minds. :)

lordofseas
October 31st, 2009, 05:12 PM
I didn't think this episode was pointless.

1. A new abnormal was introduced, which could be reused later in a battle scene.

2. It was a tension reliever. Something akin to Brain Storm, of SGA Season 5. It relaxed the characters, after all this hypertensive drama in the previous 3 episodes.

BigHonkinSpaceGun
October 31st, 2009, 05:50 PM
I wasn't expecting to like this one, and I didn't. But there were also episodes of SG1 & Atlantis that I didn't like, so I think any series can have an 'off' episode every now & then.

While I would have liked a direct mention of Ashley, I don't think that her loss was completely glossed over. Helen was a bit different somehow, and her expression at certain points, so I think she's still grieving for her daughter.

Another though that I've had is that maybe having Will riding the motorbike was a homage to Ashley. Maybe she had time to teach him to ride one last season.

About Declan's involvement. The London sanctuary was at the least very badly damaged, if not destroyed, and I'd imagine that it would take quite a bit of time to rebuild it. I think this was hinted at in Eulogy, with all the other abnormals arriving in the ship's cargo hold.

I didn't like Kate at all when she was introduced, but now I'm at the point where I don't care. Having her on the show isn't going to stop me from watching or enjoying the show, but at this point I won't care at all if she leaves/dies.

However, I really, really miss Ashley.

ZeroPoint
October 31st, 2009, 05:52 PM
When seeing the Big Guy, I too thought the hair was off, but he wasn't BIG. He was normal size, and not about 2 feet taller than the rest. He just looked like a normal sized person with a mask.

Skydiver
October 31st, 2009, 05:58 PM
so he was the 'not so big' guy :)

Likely had someone standing in for chris

DaxFlowLyfe
October 31st, 2009, 06:16 PM
I honestly cant watch this show anymore.

I watched the webisodes and all of season 1 and it was entertaining.
But it seems the special FX (if you can even call it that) are getting worse and more and more ridiculous with every episode.

Its one thing to have HORRIBLE effects, its another thing to keep using it as if it isnt horrible.

1. that fairy guy last episode, REALLY!? I almost spit out my food i was eating when i saw that, it was ridiculous and i was just stunned at how horrible it was, so i just blanked it out as if it never happened, but they bring him back later for an extended appearance and it just had to stop watching.

2. This week i decided ill give this show another chance, then this superhero guy. wow... Firstly they want us to believe his suit is made of parasites.. ITS MADE OF FELT and it bends like its made of felt!!! PLUS HOW DO YOU STICH A "V" LOGO INTO PARASITES!?!?

And finally the flying parts, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? thats the worst wire work ive ever seen in my life! Independent low budget movies have better wire work that that, and when he fly's into the sky, they basically just take a picture of him and made it go up and fade away.

badwolfSG
October 31st, 2009, 06:39 PM
When seeing the Big Guy, I too thought the hair was off, but he wasn't BIG. He was normal size, and not about 2 feet taller than the rest. He just looked like a normal sized person with a mask.

I thought there was something off with Big Guy but put it off to my really bad see sight.

slurredspeech
October 31st, 2009, 07:43 PM
Maybe show Helen making an effort to join in with the lightheartedness but not quite being there yet. She knows she should get back to business but can't quite put her full mind and emotions there yet.

Yep! Say, have her stand at the door in that last scene, a bit detached from the others, smiling benevolently, amused with the situation but not all that amused herself. Just... not in that mood, not quite there yet.

I dont' know. But that last scene - cheesiness aside, of course - just didn't sit well with me, Helen character wise.

I actually came into this thread to have it confirmed that this episode was in fact the one that was pushed forward for actor availability reasons. And then Realm said it was the next one and I just couldn't find an excuse for the tone of this ep. Too much, too light, too soon.

(On a different note. Kate's 'I'd do anything for my family' line; or whatever it was? Yeah, sure, her brother was right there but it sounded like a sanctuary team reference to me, and it did.not sit right. Could be just me though.)

So, yeah. As a stand alone ep? Good fun. Airing order? Complete miss.

AresLover452
October 31st, 2009, 07:48 PM
I have to say this, this episode would have done better later on down the road, but as it stands it was good, a little forced in places,but i am happy with it.


The opening credits were awesome. i like how they added Henry and john to the last picture..... still a little iffy on Kate being there but what the hey.

i liked the big lizard insect thing... that was kewl.

all in all the eppy should have come later on.

CarnalPIE
October 31st, 2009, 08:02 PM
Yes everyone hates that they killed Ashley but Ask yourself. Does Anyone Really Die in Sci-fi? I mean come on Really do they? People are not watching the show anymore because of them killing Ashley.

No, that's true. Nobody ever really dies in SF. But you're missing the fact that she's not on the show right now. She might be back next week for all I know (and I don't know because I stay unspoiled as much as possible) but she's not here on my TV screen right here and right now, so that's what I'm judging the show by. I don't judge shows by what might happen in the future.

Having said that, I watch way too much TV to get too bent out of shape over the comings and goings of one character on one show. So it's fine, whatever. All I know is that with Ashley gone and the super annoying Kate on the show, Sanctuary has gone from a must watch on Friday night to something I catch on my DVR sometime Sat or Sunday. Which is still pretty good, there are some shows it takes me a week to get around to watching.


Dont Knock something unless you try it, Dont Judge People that you know little to none about.

I've seen enough to know she's a Han Solo / rogue / thief class chaotic or whatever they call them in Dungeons and Dragons. That's not my cup of tea for a character type. My God, how often do we see this character type on TV shows? Sawyer from Lost, Vala from SG1, that hawt chick from Lone Gunmen, Big Baldwin from Firefly, blah blah blah. They all start out buck wild, face their past a couple times, prove themselves a couple times, come in handy a lot because of their mad thief skillz, backslide once and are forgiven, make you think they've backslide once or twice, and in three seasons they're all respectable and stuff. I've seen this all before and it's tedious.

But I agree with you on one point, even the most annoying character can become likeable with good enough writing. 24 did it in one episode with Ryan Chappelle. One episode. And Sanctuary has great writers, so I'll be patient. We'll see.


Anyone else notice the back of the comic book at the end of the episode? It looked like an ad for something called "SPACEDOOR". :-) Stargate reference you think?

Nice catch! I didn't notice that.


dislikes:
the jump in time to show us the comic book.

I agree. I don't like those kind of time jump epilogues in TV shows, they always bounce me because I start overthinking it and wondering if the next week's episode happens in between the two moments. Even a show like House doing it bugged me in that episode about the photographer.


Independent low budget movies have better wire work that that,

I make independent low budget movies for a living and ... no we don't have better wire work than that. LMFAO However, I do agree with you, their SPFX has seemed weaker this year for some reason. Which is odd because they had what, nine months between seasons? That should be enough time to get it right. I wonder if their budget got slashed as part of their renewel?

majorsal
October 31st, 2009, 08:10 PM
I make independent low budget movies for a living and ... no we don't have better wire work than that. LMFAO However, I do agree with you, their SPFX has seemed weaker this year for some reason. Which is odd because they had what, nine months between seasons? That should be enough time to get it right. I wonder if their budget got slashed as part of their renewel?

or they're using it for those monsters we're seeing, while the backgrounds are taking a hit. :p

slurredspeech
October 31st, 2009, 08:14 PM
no one really seemed to care a rat's behind about ashley until she was offed.

Certainly not to this extent and with this level of passion, no. I find this point quite interesting, actually. *ponders*

Eternal Density
October 31st, 2009, 08:55 PM
Pretty fun ep. I'd rate it "okay". Enjoyed it though it didn't wow me. Plenty of fun moments though. I was very glad Ashley is still pictured in the title sequence.
I particularly liked Kate's story. :D And Helen's smile when Will couldn't stand the egg fluid.
Whoever wrote the "meanwhile... months later" text needs a rap on the knuckles, that makes no sense!

ljscott
October 31st, 2009, 08:57 PM
Speaking for myself only, I've always been an Ashley fan. Just not as loud about it as I should have been apparently. Now I wish I had been.

AresLover452
October 31st, 2009, 09:09 PM
Pretty fun ep. I'd rate it "okay". Enjoyed it though it didn't wow me. Plenty of fun moments though. I was very glad Ashley is still pictured in the title sequence.
I particularly liked Kate's story. :D And Helen's smile when Will couldn't stand the egg fluid.




I like the whole keeping Ashley's folder and the addition of Henry's to the mix... lol!!

Oh yes and his near vomits fest at the egg goo was hilarious

Sarge300491
November 1st, 2009, 02:28 AM
seems like there gonna keep doing the multi-cam in every episode now =/.

was good in the car chase scene in the first 2 episodes, but now its just getting a bit annoying.

I didnt mind this episode though, little strange, bit more comical then the last 3 i suppose.

RealmOfX
November 1st, 2009, 03:11 AM
I love the tiling but I can understand why some don't like it. I'm curious, what is it that you don't like about it?

I've noticed that they are experimenting with it's use and sometimes i think it is used brilliantly and other times not very well. This episode it was so so, nothing really caught my eye as being really well done but by the same token nothing was badly done. Kinda like how the whole episode was for me.

WishIwasJoes
November 1st, 2009, 04:21 AM
Speaking for myself only, I've always been an Ashley fan. Just not as loud about it as I should have been apparently. Now I wish I had been.

Me too. I figured since she was the main characters freakin daughter, and the fact that AT said one of Helen's biggest fears was to lose Ashley, I did not have to jump up and down and say how great she was.

I was busy pushing Tesle and hoping to see Watson again. Had I known that her head was on the block, as it were, I would have been more voiced about it.

P-90_177
November 1st, 2009, 04:45 AM
A bit of an odd episode I felt considering it comes immediately after eulogy. I was kinda hoping we'd still see Magnus in quite a dark place and not trusting Kate. But all in all it was still a pretty good ep. In fact it impressed me with how they managed to make the ludicrous idea of a guy, turned super hero via a bug suit actually very entertaining.

kes
November 1st, 2009, 04:57 AM
I honestly cant watch this show anymore.

I watched the webisodes and all of season 1 and it was entertaining.
But it seems the special FX (if you can even call it that) are getting worse and more and more ridiculous with every episode.

Its one thing to have HORRIBLE effects, its another thing to keep using it as if it isnt horrible.

1. that fairy guy last episode, REALLY!? I almost spit out my food i was eating when i saw that, it was ridiculous and i was just stunned at how horrible it was, so i just blanked it out as if it never happened, but they bring him back later for an extended appearance and it just had to stop watching.

2. This week i decided ill give this show another chance, then this superhero guy. wow... Firstly they want us to believe his suit is made of parasites.. ITS MADE OF FELT and it bends like its made of felt!!! PLUS HOW DO YOU STICH A "V" LOGO INTO PARASITES!?!?

And finally the flying parts, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? thats the worst wire work ive ever seen in my life! Independent low budget movies have better wire work that that, and when he fly's into the sky, they basically just take a picture of him and made it go up and fade away.

Will running away form the big bug looked really lame. I think its their biggest flaw is when a character has to run. They should have a real floor when someone runs LOL

But the bad wire work, no it was suppose to be like that cos the dude couldnt fly. It was the bugs. Plus he looked really heavy lol

And it was an A not a V. The Adjuster ;) Which could've been glued.

sweetviviane
November 1st, 2009, 05:05 AM
[QUOTE=DaxFlowLyfe;10778465]I honestly cant watch this show anymore.

2. This week i decided ill give this show another chance, then this superhero guy. wow... Firstly they want us to believe his suit is made of parasites.. ITS MADE OF FELT and it bends like its made of felt!!! PLUS HOW DO YOU STICH A "V" LOGO INTO PARASITES!?!?

QUOTE]

Nobody sticht a V Logo into Parasites he wished for this suit. He wanted it to look like that. In the beginning I was like "wtf why would a parasite look like a superhero-suit?" but towards the end I was like "oh okay thats why". Maybe the mention something about the suit on the podcast.


I liked the episode.....but I do agree that it was sad that nobody mentioned Ashley or what happend to Nikola, John and most important to Dana.
The scene with the x-ray view...LMAO^^

knowles2
November 1st, 2009, 06:01 AM
Well personally I like this episode, if not for the main stories really, an there were three of them.

But I like how we actually seeing more Sanctuary personnel, an that Helen decided to bring in some muscle the old city Sanctuary. It was always hinted that she had access to these resources in the first season, it nice to actually see it on screen this season. Hopefully we see more of it.

I am not about the Cabal being so easily defeated, it seem like to me that they went away a bit to quickly, this is a organisation that the Sanctuary did not even know existed until few months ago an it already destroyed. I am hoping it not as damage has they are making it out to be.

I actually like Kate an her character in the show. An of cause Magnus knew what happen in the lab, she probably knew about Constantine trying to get into the abnormal business an probably knew she would have to take care of him eventually an was more than happy when Kate did the job for her. I like the like about her not being up for sale. I am sure she will be on the market later through.

Actually not mentioning her daughter made sense to me, she the kind of women who knows what her mission in life is an probably focusing on that at the moment. Of cause ignoring those emotions an concentrating on work never solves the problem but it also better constantly dwelling on something that cannot be change will cause more harm than good. I would rather they gave her a few episodes then bring back those emotions, which seem much more real than constantly crying about it.

KatG
November 1st, 2009, 06:36 AM
The episode had it's funny moments for me and it was okay for what it was, I just think that a one off humor episode might have been better off down the road a bit. They could have kept the part about Kate, as it was relevant to her acceptance into the Sanctuary by Helen, but I think the episode should have been a little less silly and a little more serious than it was.

Perhaps some mention of Ashley, maybe something happens and Helen says "send Ashley to take care of it" and then realizing Ashley's not there anymore and perhaps a pause then move on. This would have been very realistic imo. In my personal experience and that of others I've talked to, it's a very normal thing to have happen.

EH-T
November 1st, 2009, 07:11 AM
Anyone else notice the back of the comic book at the end of the episode? It looked like an ad for something called "SPACEDOOR". :-) Stargate reference you think?

I didn't notice that. I'll have to go back and check.


Two funny moments that made me laugh, the reference to the casualties at Renaissance Fair re-enactments and the use of the hockey gloves. :)

dipsofjazz
November 1st, 2009, 08:22 AM
I love the tiling but I can understand why some don't like it. I'm curious, what is it that you don't like about it?

I've noticed that they are experimenting with it's use and sometimes i think it is used brilliantly and other times not very well. This episode it was so so, nothing really caught my eye as being really well done but by the same token nothing was badly done. Kinda like how the whole episode was for me.

I find the tiling annoying as it takes me out of the story. One minute I'm following the characters, and the next I'm having to scan through three different scenes to keep up with what's going on. I'm so worried I'm missing something important that I lose the flow of the story.
Maybe I just need things kept simple for me. :P

I found Hero a wee bit jarring after all the angst of the last three episodes. Perhaps a comic episode would have been better a little later in the schedule.

I liked the idea of the bugs being the suit, and laughed at the looks from Helen and Will at the x-ray vision statement.

I missed there being any mention of Ashley, and it looks like everyone else is now splitting parts of her 'job' between them.

Will doing wheelies was just stupid, to me. Since when does he ride a bike?

I agree with others that Biggie looked strange, and I guess CH wasn't available.

I still don't like Kate, and find her too clichéd a character.

Overall I would have enjoyed this episode more if it had come later in the series. As it was, it was okay, but not one of their better episodes.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 09:06 AM
seems like there gonna keep doing the multi-cam in every episode now =/.

was good in the car chase scene in the first 2 episodes, but now its just getting a bit annoying.

I didnt mind this episode though, little strange, bit more comical then the last 3 i suppose.

Yeah... split screen has got to go....

Bu the eppy would ave done better later on down the road. right now it seemed.... idk... just out of place.

doylefan22
November 1st, 2009, 09:26 AM
I quite liked the episode myself. It could never live up to the epic heights of the first 3 but it was showing a moving on. The team did their mourning for Ashley in episode 3 and I think this was more showing that life in the Sanctuary has to go on.

I also don't think it would have been right for Helen to be actively mourning. Deep in her heart of hearts I still don't think she entirely believes Ashley is gone...

Kate's story was interesting and I'm glad they kept her morally grey. She actively murdered a man after all. Helen I think had a suspicion as to what went on but since she couldn't prove anything, decided to go with trying to make Kate better than punish her. She clearly sees potential. I just hope they never make Kate too good.

I loved Declan's involvement and I think it makes a certain kind of sense that they'll have assistance from other Sanctuaries consider the bulk of the work seems to be on them at the moment.

Oh and on a completely shallow note, Henry looked somehow very hot when he was doing all the tests to try and remove the suit :D

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 09:31 AM
Oh and on a completely shallow note, Henry looked somehow very hot when he was doing all the tests to try and remove the suit :D


He did. i loved how nothing worked on that suit.... lol!! But good ole Henry kept trying. hehe

badwolfSG
November 1st, 2009, 10:04 AM
[QUOTE=DaxFlowLyfe;10778465]I


I liked the episode.....but I do agree that it was sad that nobody mentioned Ashley or what happend to Nikola, John and most important to Dana.
The scene with the x-ray view...LMAO^^

This wasn't the orginial episode that was supposed to follow up after Eulogy. The actor who play Nikola, can't remember his name at this moment, had prior commitments and wasn't available until later in the season. Or at least that what I heard.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 10:52 AM
This wasn't the orginial episode that was supposed to follow up after Eulogy. The actor who play Nikola, can't remember his name at this moment, had prior commitments and wasn't available until later in the season. Or at least that what I heard.


At east we get to see his eppy later on down the road. For right now this was a nice bit of levity to take our minds off the sadness of what happened to Ash.

KatG
November 1st, 2009, 11:05 AM
I doubt the split screen is going to go away this season as it's probably pretty much edited already, so we probably need to get used to it.

badwolfSG
November 1st, 2009, 11:10 AM
I doubt the split screen is going to go away this season as it's probably pretty much edited already, so we probably need to get used to it.

I think I'm the only person who likes the split screen. which is weird for me, b/c normally I hate split screen but in santunary case I like it.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 11:11 AM
I doubt the split screen is going to go away this season as it's probably pretty much edited already, so we probably need to get used to it.


I'm sure we'll get used to it, bt some of us still won't like it. LOL!!

But it is growing on me I must say. It gives more perspective... And it is different.

SamJackShipLover
November 1st, 2009, 11:22 AM
I like the split screen too. I thought it was really nicely done in Hero, where the 3 little screens showed in time with some sort of sound effect .. seemed comic-like to me.

I liked the episode for what it was. A stand alone, fun episode. Though I also agree that it was a bit weird to have such a light episode after Eulogy.

The end though .... "meanwhile ... months later" ... weird. How can it be meanwhile and months later? I thought it was a nice add on, but as someone else wrote, I will be thinking in the next ep, how does this relate to the "months later" part.

Does anyone notice the weird facial colours? They look too yellow-orange to me.

I think it's fine that Will knows how to ride a bike, but stunting like that? Uhuh ... :confused:

Liked that Kate did the right thing. Though, killing the guy seemed harsh. When watching I also figured that Helen totally knew what Kate had been doing and therefor taking her in to the team.

Looking forward to next week :)

sweetviviane
November 1st, 2009, 11:27 AM
I think I'm the only person who likes the split screen. which is weird for me, b/c normally I hate split screen but in santunary case I like it.


I think the split screen works for Sanctuary. Dosen't bother me at all.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 11:31 AM
Liked that Kate did the right thing. Though, basicly killing the guy seemed harsh. When watching I also figured that Helen totally knew what Kate had been doing and therefor taking her in to the team.

Looking forward to next week :)



I would have done what Kate did, if t was my brother, heck yeah I would have let the guy exploiting him get eaten.

badwolfSG
November 1st, 2009, 11:34 AM
I would have done what Kate did, if t was my brother, heck yeah I would have let the guy exploiting him get eaten.

Messing with family= getting killed. Makes sence too me.

jckfan55
November 1st, 2009, 11:36 AM
Will running away form the big bug looked really lame. I think its their biggest flaw is when a character has to run. They should have a real floor when someone runs LOL

Yes, it's been the floors that I notice in running scenes. I see no problems with the backgrounds generally--I'm watching the characters. :)

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 11:37 AM
Messing with family= getting killed. Makes sence too me.

lol!! Well I would have, and I would have slept well after it. Kate just gained a few points in my book by doing that. She not only protected the Sanctuary and the Residents but she protected her bother...

Guy getting eaten... yup, I'm good with it,

jckfan55
November 1st, 2009, 11:38 AM
I think the split screen works for Sanctuary. Dosen't bother me at all.

I get that they're trying for a distinctive look, I'm just not used to it yet.
The other thing about the look is the outdoor scenes almost seem too realistic looking compared to the rest of the show. Too bright or something.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 11:40 AM
I get that they're trying for a distinctive look, I'm just not used to it yet.
The other thing about the look is the outdoor scenes almost seem too realistic looking compared to the rest of the show. Too bright or something.

Yeah, as apposed to the first season when most of the outdoor scenes were night time adding to the darkness of the show.

suse
November 1st, 2009, 11:53 AM
I actually like Kate an her character in the show. An of cause Magnus knew what happen in the lab, she probably knew about Constantine trying to get into the abnormal business an probably knew she would have to take care of him eventually an was more than happy when Kate did the job for her. I like the like about her not being up for sale. I am sure she will be on the market later through.

Oh, I'm sure 'Sally' <<<--:lol: "she has a proper name, you know" filled Helen in. Constantine spent an awful lot of time (relatively speaking) staring in awe at her. I'm sure she got a good look at exactly what he thinks of abnormals. And told Helen.

I agree with Sky. Helen is pragmatic enough to not lose sleep over a guy that treats abnormals as something to be sold/killed as a trophy. Kate took care of a a situation that would have been messy.

suse

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 11:56 AM
I agree with Sky. Helen is pragmatic enough to not lose sleep over a guy that treats abnormals as something to be sold/killed as a trophy. Kate took care of a a situation that would have been messy.

suse


and poetic justice it was one of the abnormals that took care of Constantine

EvenstarSRV
November 1st, 2009, 12:10 PM
I quite liked the episode myself. It could never live up to the epic heights of the first 3 but it was showing a moving on. The team did their mourning for Ashley in episode 3 and I think this was more showing that life in the Sanctuary has to go on.

I also don't think it would have been right for Helen to be actively mourning. Deep in her heart of hearts I still don't think she entirely believes Ashley is gone...


Yeah, I also saw Eulogy as the transition episode, so I wasn't too upset at the lack of Ashley in this one. And I don't see Helen actively mourning while going about the day-to-day work of the Sanctuary, I think she's learned to compartmentalize her emotions enough to get the job done. I think she's still mourning Ashley, but it's done privately, probably spending more nights alone on the roof or in Ashley's room.


I think I'm the only person who likes the split screen. which is weird for me, b/c normally I hate split screen but in santunary case I like it.

I like the tiling too, there are a few times where it just seemed odd, but I think it works for the most part. It definitely gives the show a more comic-book feel, which is something I think they've always wanted.

jckfan55
November 1st, 2009, 12:37 PM
Yeah, I also saw Eulogy as the transition episode, so I wasn't too upset at the lack of Ashley in this one. And I don't see Helen actively mourning while going about the day-to-day work of the Sanctuary, I think she's learned to compartmentalize her emotions enough to get the job done. I think she's still mourning Ashley, but it's done privately, probably spending more nights alone on the roof or in Ashley's room.


I agree. But I'm hoping we get glimpses of that. Maybe at some point Will has to find her for some emergency and he finds her in Ashley's room. They wouldn't even have to say anything. Just knowing where it was and a look would tell us Helen's still not over it. something like that.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 12:51 PM
I agree. But I'm hoping we get glimpses of that. Maybe at some point Will has to find her for some emergency and he finds her in Ashley's room. They wouldn't even have to say anything. Just knowing where it was and a look would tell us Helen's still not over it. something like that.

Or he could find her looking at old albums of when Ashley was just a child.

Krissie678
November 1st, 2009, 01:04 PM
Nothing like the last 3 eps but I guess that's probably the point. To me sometimes it seemed like they were trying to hard to be funny. However, next weeks ep looks promising.

kes
November 1st, 2009, 01:07 PM
This wasn't the orginial episode that was supposed to follow up after Eulogy. The actor who play Nikola, can't remember his name at this moment, had prior commitments and wasn't available until later in the season. Or at least that what I heard.

No, that was ep 5 not 4.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 01:09 PM
Nothing like the last 3 eps but I guess that's probably the point. To me sometimes it seemed like they were trying to hard to be funny. However, next weeks ep looks promising.


It was a nice bit of levity and i think that we, as the fans, needed it wake of what happened.

some of the humor was forced. Like WTF was with the guy practicing cliched catch phrases... lol!!

EvenstarSRV
November 1st, 2009, 01:18 PM
I agree. But I'm hoping we get glimpses of that. Maybe at some point Will has to find her for some emergency and he finds her in Ashley's room. They wouldn't even have to say anything. Just knowing where it was and a look would tell us Helen's still not over it. something like that.

Me too, something like that wouldn't take much time, I think, but it'd get the point across that Ashley is remembered and missed by Helen and the others. It shouldn't be every episode either, because you don't want to overplay that angle, just every once and a while.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 01:35 PM
Me too, something like that wouldn't take much time, I think, but it'd get the point across that Ashley is remembered and missed by Helen and the others. It shouldn't be every episode either, because you don't want to overplay that angle, just every once and a while.

It would be a nice little bit of fluff in the midst of an emergency before things break loose.

majorsal
November 1st, 2009, 04:36 PM
Perhaps some mention of Ashley, maybe something happens and Helen says "send Ashley to take care of it" and then realizing Ashley's not there anymore and perhaps a pause then move on. This would have been very realistic imo. In my personal experience and that of others I've talked to, it's a very normal thing to have happen.

that would have been good. :)

majorsal
November 1st, 2009, 04:49 PM
I think I'm the only person who likes the split screen. which is weird for me, b/c normally I hate split screen but in santunary case I like it.

i like the split screen too. :D

i've never seen it used on a show before, but that's prob b/c i don't watch the shows it's been used on. :p but it's not being used in every scene, so i'm okay with it. i like the style. :)

Eternal Density
November 1st, 2009, 04:52 PM
I quite like the splitscreen also.
I rather liked the montage of attempts at taking off the suit, with the music accompanying it.
Guess we're used to episodes ending with Helen crying.

parsifal
November 1st, 2009, 04:57 PM
Does anyone notice the weird facial colours? They look too yellow-orange to me.

Yes, it seemed really strong this week. Would like to see that changed.

majorsal
November 1st, 2009, 05:00 PM
Does anyone notice the weird facial colours? They look too yellow-orange to me.

yes! but in only some scenes. :p

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 06:23 PM
I quite like the splitscreen also.
I rather liked the montage of attempts at taking off the suit, with the music accompanying it.
Guess we're used to episodes ending with Helen crying.

That was pretty good nothing worked. I think the favorite thing Henry tried was the Chain Saw.... classic. lol!!

suse
November 1st, 2009, 06:46 PM
I thought the chainsaw was rather silly. What if it actually cut through?

ETA: Found the sequence as a whole pretty funny. And the music.

suse

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 07:01 PM
but that is what made it classic... lol having to resort to something so drastic just because conventional tech wasn't working... lol!!

badwolfSG
November 1st, 2009, 07:07 PM
I thought the chainsaw was rather silly. What if it actually cut through?

ETA: Found the sequence as a whole pretty funny. And the music.

suse

I was thinking the same think with the chainsaw but I put if off to my weird fear of them.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 07:16 PM
lol!! I mean out of everything they tried.... they resort to a chain saw... funny... dangerous yes but funny they had to resort to it.

badwolfSG
November 1st, 2009, 07:23 PM
lol!! I mean out of everything they tried.... they resort to a chain saw... funny... dangerous yes but funny they had to resort to it.

Out of everthing they tried ( and this includes the laser beam.. that I'm sure could burn through human skin) I was more afraid for walter when they brought out the chainsaw! Chainsaw are bad, just bad! LOL!

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 07:31 PM
well yeah they are at that, but I think that after everything else, i think Henry though.... WTF let's try it.

NurseFG
November 1st, 2009, 07:49 PM
I think the split screen works for Sanctuary. Dosen't bother me at all.

I also like it

And yeah it was a good episode but badly placed

badwolfSG
November 1st, 2009, 08:43 PM
well yeah they are at that, but I think that after everything else, i think Henry though.... WTF let's try it.

Yeah, let just blame the whole chainsaw idea on Henry! b/c I can picture it now "hey, let try this." Henry holding up a chainsaw...lol.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 08:44 PM
Yeah, let just blame the whole chainsaw idea on Henry!


it was probably he who came up with it... lol!!

badwolfSG
November 1st, 2009, 08:48 PM
it was probably he who came up with it... lol!!

And the lazer beam too... Boys and their toys.

AresLover452
November 1st, 2009, 08:53 PM
And the lazer beam too... Boys and their toys.

Oh yes.... *sigh*

AvatarIII
November 2nd, 2009, 01:59 AM
i quite liked this ep, but it was a bit all over the place with 3 plot threads going on.

i have to say though i was disappointed in the super-suit. it didn't really fit him properly. but if it was made of that slime stuff it should have fit perfect, and if it was his wish-fullfillment, it should have looked perfect too. but it just looked like a wetsuit, should have been more like a purple venom, i'm pretty surprised venom wasn't mentioned after all the other comic references.

i would love to get my hands on a copy of the adjuster though!

CarnalPIE
November 2nd, 2009, 02:22 AM
i like the split screen too. :D

i've never seen it used on a show before, but that's prob b/c i don't watch the shows it's been used on.

Ya know, when you think about it, it makes an odd kind of sense that the reason you've never seen it before is that you don't watch shows that do it.;)

doylefan22
November 2nd, 2009, 05:36 AM
Yeah, I also saw Eulogy as the transition episode, so I wasn't too upset at the lack of Ashley in this one. And I don't see Helen actively mourning while going about the day-to-day work of the Sanctuary, I think she's learned to compartmentalize her emotions enough to get the job done. I think she's still mourning Ashley, but it's done privately, probably spending more nights alone on the roof or in Ashley's room.

Agreed.

And I think that would be far stronger if it comes up totally out of the blue in a later season episode. To have us thinking that Magnus has done her mourning for Ashley, and then to be given such a stark reminder that the person we see running the Sanctuary is very different to the woman underneath would be very powerful.

On the issue of the split screen, I think it's mostly been used well and is much better as a device for showing us Will's observations than the slightly confusing 'does he have a power?' effect they were using last season.

ddc
November 2nd, 2009, 05:41 AM
The annual humorous episode. Appropriate since it aired at Halloween with the costumed hero.

I thought the time jump at the end worked. Not just a typical comic book thing but a practical element - several months have passed, there's been time to repair/rebuild the other Sanctuaries so when we see them fixed up or nearly so it makes sense.

Something I noticed about Kate is that, unlike Will, Henry & Biggie, she has family which makes her vulnerable. I wonder if it will become an on-going issue; the crime boss here already tried to use her brother.

Big Foot's appearance - I guess it could be the stand-in, not. But the hair should be the same and his overall appearance shouldn't be so different. Maybe it's supposed to be a lingering effects of the abnormal virus since he almost died.


That brings up an interesting question. It seems like, while she'd prefer to capture them alive, Helen doesn't have too much of a problem killing threatening abnormals, like the crypt monsters from Fata Morgana.

But have we seen her kill threatening humans? I mean, she threatened but didn't kill the fight club guy from Warriors, and she seemed to disapprove of Druitt and Tesla handling the Cabal by killing all of them. So would Helen really have condoned Kate's handling that mob guy by just killing him? I'm not sure...

Perhaps evidence of a harder, more pragmatic, more cynical Helen after her daughter's death?


Yeah, I also saw Eulogy as the transition episode, so I wasn't too upset at the lack of Ashley in this one. And I don't see Helen actively mourning while going about the day-to-day work of the Sanctuary, I think she's learned to compartmentalize her emotions enough to get the job done. I think she's still mourning Ashley, but it's done privately, probably spending more nights alone on the roof or in Ashley's room. ...


Agreed. Helen's a very private person, after the memorial she'd mourn in private. With others around, especially if there's a problem that needs to be dealt with, she'd adopt the ingrained stiff upper lip, get on with things attitude. With the occassional slip like her reaction to The Adjuster's comment.

doylefan22
November 2nd, 2009, 06:26 AM
Perhaps evidence of a harder, more pragmatic, more cynical Helen after her daughter's death?

I think it was also a consequence of the fact that she had no real evidence, only that the creature wasn't hungry and there was a mysterious 'fault' with the cameras. She strongly suspects something went on, but instead of accusing Kate and perhaps losing her, Helen was trying to show the other woman she can be trusted and there's another way of going about things.

Also, she rather successfully made Kate aware of the fact that it is unwise to try and sneak around behind her back...She will find out.

Skydiver
November 2nd, 2009, 06:45 AM
or Helen could have the eyewitness testimony of the Mermaid and any other denizens that witnessed the...feeding

Inquisitor
November 2nd, 2009, 07:12 AM
Was it just me or the warehouse where they caught the insect/reptile creature the same they used for the one with the film crew episode (one with mother abnormal protecting babies and the camera guy gets killed...)?

doylefan22
November 2nd, 2009, 07:36 AM
or Helen could have the eyewitness testimony of the Mermaid and any other denizens that witnessed the...feeding

I think the layout meant that it was impossible for Sally to see guy getting eaten. Although obviously she could have told Helen about Kate and friends being down there.

I still think Helen is very much testing Kate and I liked the dynamic between them in that last scene.

Celandine
November 2nd, 2009, 07:53 AM
I quite enjoyed 'Hero.' After the seriousness of the prior three episodes I thought this one was simply hilarious, but I've always been a fan of the silly. It was quite slapstick and I must say, I think everything...from the fake flying scenes, getting Walter's outfit off (my favorite part) to the comic book references and even Star Trek were wonderfully 'on purpose' funny.

I would have liked to see some reference from Magnus about Ashely being gone. Nothing big, but a pause as she glances at a picture on her desk or even a comment made by Will or Henry would have been good. I hope TPTB don't forget about her and write her out of everyone's lives so quickly.

Bigfoot's hair and even face looked oddly different in this episode. Was CH not available and they used a different actor for his scenes??

kes
November 2nd, 2009, 07:53 AM
I think the layout of the SHU meant that it was impossible for Sally to see guy getting eaten. Although obviously she could have told Helen about Kate and friends being down there.

I still think Helen is very much testing Kate and I liked the dynamic between them in that last scene.

Thats not the SHU.

allfornot
November 2nd, 2009, 07:58 AM
you know what? I think I would have been satisfied had Kate said "i never did get to say I was sorry about ashley" or something like that....that would have done justice and it would have been perfect. I would have been sated...for the time being

doylefan22
November 2nd, 2009, 08:08 AM
Thats not the SHU.

Doh! Sorry, was mentioning it in something I was writing and had a bit of unwelcome crossover. :D

RiaDejaVu
November 2nd, 2009, 08:48 AM
My 2cents - a lot has probably already been said though.

Overall I liked the episode. Kind of humorous and a stand alone plot.

Bigfoot did look odd - what's with the dreads BF? I love his character though and like seeing more of him. I love his barking noises.

Freelander - kind of forcing her on us - with this subplot that I could honestly care less about. DK - enough already - the character is a series drainer!

Magnus - her hair was great - like it straighter than all those curly curls (that may be because I have straight dark hair tho..........) ;-)

The guy that played the adjuster did very well. I enjoyed that plot - even it it was a bit goofy it worked.
The big creature thing - forget it's name. I'm not all that into the big CGI creature things - I like the stuff more from season 1.

Next weeks episode? Really looks great. I hope Freelander gets snuffed out somehow.............!

Skydiver
November 2nd, 2009, 09:18 AM
the mermaids are telepathic, she likely 'felt' the guy die...or her roomie suddenly be very satisfied and full :)

CarnalPIE
November 2nd, 2009, 12:32 PM
Next weeks episode? Really looks great. I hope Freelander gets snuffed out somehow.............!

Yeah! She could be my new Jimmy Olson character! Every week on Smallville I'd hope against all hope that he'd get killed off! A bus would land on his stupid fat face or a krypto creep would shove his oversized teeth up into his brain. It was awesome fantasy sport. Maybe doing the same with Kate will make her a little more bearable!:D

AresLover452
November 2nd, 2009, 01:26 PM
the mermaids are telepathic, she likely 'felt' the guy die...or her roomie suddenly be very satisfied and full :)


Though the mermaid did see Canstantine. Maybe she communicated to Helen what happened.

Mack_1
November 2nd, 2009, 07:59 PM
I think the layout meant that it was impossible for Sally to see guy getting eaten. Although obviously she could have told Helen about Kate and friends being down there.

I still think Helen is very much testing Kate and I liked the dynamic between them in that last scene.

I totally believe Helen is testing her, she can't trust Kate 100%; Kate needs to prove herself a little bit more, and I agree, that last scene with them two show they can become good allies and work together for the better of the Sanctuary, she isn’t Ashley and Helen wouldn’t accepter her as that; but she street smart she knows how to fight and she can be another helping hand that they really need

Mack_1
November 2nd, 2009, 08:06 PM
the mermaids are telepathic, she likely 'felt' the guy die...or her roomie suddenly be very satisfied and full :)

Even if The Mermaid didn’t see what happen to Constantine, she did see two guys and a girl leaving the place minus one guy, the one that looked at her with “dollar sings” on his eyes; so I totally believe she “knew” what happen to the minus guy.

And totally was the one telling Magnus what happen in their absence.:cameron:

AresLover452
November 2nd, 2009, 09:08 PM
i bet the mermaid tattled... lol!!


Seriously though..... Kate in the end did do the right thing, by the most wrong methods, but she did do the right thing.

badwolfSG
November 2nd, 2009, 09:16 PM
i bet the mermaid tattled... lol!!


Seriously though..... Kate in the end did do the right thing, by the most wrong methods, but she did do the right thing.

Oh, the mermaid a big tattle tale... hehe.

But Kate got her point across, two actually.

AresLover452
November 2nd, 2009, 09:18 PM
Oh yeah she did, and she got a few points in my book as a character, nothing major but she has moved up a few places.

badwolfSG
November 2nd, 2009, 09:24 PM
Oh yeah she did, and she got a few points in my book as a character, nothing major but she has moved up a few places.

I like Kate there bad about her, but if I had too choice between her and Ashley... I'd be the first to help pack her bags..lol.

AresLover452
November 2nd, 2009, 09:30 PM
same here. But for now I think Kate will gel with the rest of them, for now mind you. Cause as soon as we see Ashley again... c ya KATE.

But for now, i'm interested to see where her character will go. lol!!

badwolfSG
November 2nd, 2009, 09:33 PM
same here. But for now I think Kate will gel with the rest of them, for now mind you. Cause as soon as we see Ashley again... c ya KATE.

But for now, i'm interested to see where her character will go. lol!!

I wonder who there going to piece her character together in the next episode. That should be interesting to see.

AresLover452
November 2nd, 2009, 09:34 PM
One thing I did like, she managed to hold onto the set of steno tusks that was her payment for her brother's debt.... smart girl.

badwolfSG
November 2nd, 2009, 09:39 PM
One thing I did like, she managed to hold onto the set of steno tusks that was her payment for her brother's debt.... smart girl.

And got them back...(or was that what you meant?)

AresLover452
November 2nd, 2009, 11:31 PM
yeah I meant get them back... lol!!

Hehe... still I love all the attempt Henry made to get that guys suit off.. Nothing worked...except for the Power of Thought

badwolfSG
November 2nd, 2009, 11:38 PM
yeah I meant get them back... lol!!

Hehe... still I love all the attempt Henry made to get that guys suit off.. Nothing worked...except for the Power of Thought

It was the simple thinks!!! And then you feel really stupid when you didn't think about it.

AresLover452
November 2nd, 2009, 11:41 PM
yeha i know right. Tht poor guy. afraid to do things his whole life, gets this parasite on him and suddenly he's unburdened with all his fear.... lol!!

Ooh side note, something that bugged me about this eppy. We saw nothing more of the empath that they were trying to help in the beginning.

badwolfSG
November 2nd, 2009, 11:53 PM
yeha i know right. Tht poor guy. afraid to do things his whole life, gets this parasite on him and suddenly he's unburdened with all his fear.... lol!!

Ooh side note, something that bugged me about this eppy. We saw nothing more of the empath that they were trying to help in the beginning.

Maybe someone else from the sanctuary got him?

Now that you mentioned something bugged, well this didn't bug me just disturd me... When Walter said they he couldn't take off the suit and
(I believe will,or maybe Henry okay sombody said) "How do you use the bathroom" and he like I don't know I'm just lighter after meals... I was totally grossed out for the rest of the episode.

KaKaCarter
November 3rd, 2009, 12:12 AM
If the episode had been mid season i think it might have worked better. It's placing at 4 really didn't work for me. I want to see the fallout from eulogy.

On the plus side. Liked the idea of the abnormal going through various stages from egg to parastical entity to chrysallis. Liked the idea of the suit and the superhero's inability to come up with a catchphrase. The superhero just about traversed a line i didn't find too annoying. However they could have made his suit seem a bit less like felt. Like how he duped will. Liked the fact the mermaid was back.

Negative. Ashley is dead. They should be bummed about it an episode later.

The kate plot wasn't a terrible idea but the performances of teh actors let it down.Her delivery of the line along the lines of 'no one messes with my family' was woeful. Makes me wish steve had of taken the two for one other and grabbed her too. The brother seemed too nicey nice. For someone who they infer is a gambling addick he should be a lot more shifty and be able to handle her girly punches. They need to get her to tone down her performance and reveal the flaws in her personality that made her be a bounty hunter pronto imo.

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 12:14 AM
Ewww... come to think about it... yeah that was a little gross right there

badwolfSG
November 3rd, 2009, 12:22 AM
Ewww... come to think about it... yeah that was a little gross right there

But Helen face made it somewhat better

Skydiver
November 3rd, 2009, 04:00 AM
right now, kate has proved 'i'm loyal to wherever I'm getting my support from'

teh Sanctuary is her only 'port in a storm' so to speak.

and helen knows, as long as their motives line up, she can count on her. but, if those motives diverge, the jury's still out on that one.

so while helen might trust her with the sunday silverware, she's not ready to give her the access codes to the main frame :)

Mack_1
November 3rd, 2009, 06:21 AM
right now, kate has proved 'i'm loyal to wherever I'm getting my support from'

teh Sanctuary is her only 'port in a storm' so to speak.

and helen knows, as long as their motives line up, she can count on her. but, if those motives diverge, the jury's still out on that one.

so while helen might trust her with the sunday silverware, she's not ready to give her the access codes to the main frame :)


My thoughts exacly

sandra-carter
November 3rd, 2009, 08:54 AM
If the episode had been mid season i think it might have worked better. It's placing at 4 really didn't work for me. I want to see the fallout from eulogy.

On the plus side. Liked the idea of the abnormal going through various stages from egg to parastical entity to chrysallis. Liked the idea of the suit and the superhero's inability to come up with a catchphrase. The superhero just about traversed a line i didn't find too annoying. However they could have made his suit seem a bit less like felt. Like how he duped will. Liked the fact the mermaid was back.

Negative. Ashley is dead. They should be bummed about it an episode later.

The kate plot wasn't a terrible idea but the performances of teh actors let it down.Her delivery of the line along the lines of 'no one messes with my family' was woeful. Makes me wish steve had of taken the two for one other and grabbed her too. The brother seemed too nicey nice. For someone who they infer is a gambling addick he should be a lot more shifty and be able to handle her girly punches. They need to get her to tone down her performance and reveal the flaws in her personality that made her be a bounty hunter pronto imo.


************************************************
on sanctuary syfy.. they explain why they "killed " ashley... if there has a season 3 ashley they will bring ashley back... so don`t stop watching because they need our audience... xoxo

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 10:46 AM
lOL!1 I never intended to stop. Ashley is awesome, but I'm more in it for Helen and John.


Ooh another thing about this eppy..... WTF was with the Big Guy and the dreads, I don't mind them, But WTF?

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 10:47 AM
right now, kate has proved 'i'm loyal to wherever I'm getting my support from'

teh Sanctuary is her only 'port in a storm' so to speak.

and helen knows, as long as their motives line up, she can count on her. but, if those motives diverge, the jury's still out on that one.

so while helen might trust her with the sunday silverware, she's not ready to give her the access codes to the main frame :)


Yeha I wouldn't either, and I would keep my eye on the silverware just in case... lol!!

jckfan55
November 3rd, 2009, 12:19 PM
lOL!1 I never intended to stop. Ashley is awesome, but I'm more in it for Helen and John.



Magnus is the center of everything for me. Fascinating character.

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 01:27 PM
she has so any levels..... and gods... she is so kewl. i love her in every eppy i have seen so far. This eppy was good for her, bad placing, but it was good.

badwolfSG
November 3rd, 2009, 02:12 PM
Magnus is the center of everything for me. Fascinating character.

Ya, I was totally only watching for AT, in the beginning, but Ashley turn out ot be my second favorite character. So, I mad that she had to leave but I'm not turning away from the show b/c of it.

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 02:22 PM
Helen is definitely the best of the best... lol!!

badwolfSG
November 3rd, 2009, 02:31 PM
Helen is definitely the best of the best... lol!!

There know one better.

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 02:32 PM
No, not really.


*eagerly waits for Friday*

badwolfSG
November 3rd, 2009, 02:58 PM
No, not really.


*eagerly waits for Friday*

Oh, oh, (jumping up and down) me too!!!

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 03:11 PM
Still think this was good eppy, I did enjoy the Kate aspect.

majorsal
November 3rd, 2009, 09:01 PM
i just finished rewatching it. i enjoyed it a *lot* more this time. :)

but i still think there *needed* to be an ashley mention...

NurseFG
November 3rd, 2009, 09:22 PM
i just finished rewatching it. i enjoyed it a *lot* more this time. :)

but i still think there *needed* to be an ashley mention...

yeah just something, that would have made the episode much better

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 09:42 PM
yeah just something, that would have made the episode much better

I liked the fact that they kept her file in the main titles and added Henry's that was nice.

NurseFG
November 4th, 2009, 11:20 AM
I liked the fact that they kept her file in the main titles and added Henry's that was nice.

Yeah i really liked that too :)

AresLover452
November 4th, 2009, 12:46 PM
I would have to watch the eppy a few more times to get comfortable with the fact they did a super hero plot line... but it was all in all good

badwolfSG
November 4th, 2009, 01:37 PM
I would have to watch the eppy a few more times to get comfortable with the fact they did a super hero plot line... but it was all in all good

No not me, I mean I liked bit and piecec of it and overall I thought it was okay, but I just don't think they did the super hero plot well... for that matter no show has... unless if was a comic or superhero show like smallville.

AresLover452
November 4th, 2009, 01:41 PM
But they tried and in the end that is all you can do.

majorsal
November 4th, 2009, 03:53 PM
No not me, I mean I liked bit and piecec of it and overall I thought it was okay, but I just don't think they did the super hero plot well... for that matter no show has... unless if was a comic or superhero show like smallville.


But they tried and in the end that is all you can do.

i think my expectations for it were prob too high, specifically coming off the awesome first 3 eps and storyline.

after rewatching it, i laughed a lot and much more enjoyed the hero/actor's acting. he was funny! :p (he head butted the giant insect. head butted him! :p)

shel
November 4th, 2009, 04:01 PM
i think my expectations for it were prob too high, specifically coming off the awesome first 3 eps and storyline.

after rewatching it, i laughed a lot and much more enjoyed the hero/actor's acting. he was funny! :p (he head butted the giant alien. head butted him! :p)


I agree. The first time I watched it, it just didn't work for me all that good, especially after coming right after the first 3 eps which were so intense.

But i gave it a second chance and rewatched it. I did enjoy it more after getting over the inital shock. LOL But it's still not going to be one of my favs or something I'd rewatch more than few times.

Yes, the head butting was funny! :lol:

AresLover452
November 4th, 2009, 04:02 PM
can't get much more classic than head butting and alien... lol!!

badwolfSG
November 4th, 2009, 09:14 PM
ya, seeing Walter fight an alien funny in my book.

Skydiver
November 5th, 2009, 03:57 AM
cept it's not an alien, it's an abnormal critter :)

CarnalPIE
November 5th, 2009, 06:36 AM
if there has a season 3 ashley they will bring ashley back... so don`t stop watching because they need our audience...

LMFAO! Every time I read this comment from them, in my head I hear "We'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today! TEE HEE"

I mean, it's all good, the show goes on, but this transparent attempt to not get punished in the ratings for their foolish decision always makes me laugh.

WishIwasJoes
November 5th, 2009, 07:46 AM
Magnus is the center of everything for me. Fascinating character.

I am not really an AT fan. Or MW for that matter. I just found the story so intrersting and then the family ties just made it more compelling for me. I was just so shocked they got rid of her own daughter.

Not only that but Kate is just not my cup of tea. Sad to say I am just waiting for a Tesla eppy and the MS one.

Mack_1
November 5th, 2009, 11:29 AM
can't get much more classic than head butting and alien... lol!!
ITA

I saw this episode again this morning and I like it much more than the first time I saw it; Walter/hero had that awkwardness we all have and when seen the "opportunity" of been someone else he grab it and he did become someone else.

Again that scene between Helen and Kate is just so affecting in this season without Ashley; I don't really like EU aka Ashley out of the show/season, but I can see future in the Kate character

When Helen goes; "I'm sure that fit in your agenda" or something like that then Kate goes "ah yeah" was good. to me it seem like there is some sort of agreement between the two.

kes
November 5th, 2009, 02:12 PM
Podcast is up. Finally!

Isolde
November 5th, 2009, 03:42 PM
I really wish I liked this episode, but it didn't work. I thought the writing was off, and so was the characterisation... and WTF was going on with the wig on Biggie? Was it even Chris?

I was disappointed, I think because I'd tuned in to see Druitt wreaking retribution and kicking some serious arse to be subjected to something where everybody is, apparently, over Ashley's death? It was not true to the characters, never mind life.

Kate Freelander? The jury is still out.

I thought the CG was shonky too. :(

majorsal
November 5th, 2009, 03:53 PM
cept it's not an alien, it's an abnormal critter :)

i'm the one that started the alien thing, b/c my fingers automatically typed alien instead of insect. :p but i *did* change it, i just don't think ppl noticed. :p

the podcast is finally up, and it's with martin and the hero actor doing it. the hero actor laughs like amanda! :p

majorsal
November 5th, 2009, 03:55 PM
I mean, it's all good, the show goes on, but this transparent attempt to not get punished in the ratings for their foolish decision always makes me laugh.

:S

punished?

WishIwasJoes
November 5th, 2009, 04:36 PM
I really wish I liked this episode, but it didn't work. I thought the writing was off, and so was the characterisation... and WTF was going on with the wig on Biggie? Was it even Chris?

I was disappointed, I think because I'd tuned in to see Druitt wreaking retribution and kicking some serious arse to be subjected to something where everybody is, apparently, over Ashley's death? It was not true to the characters, never mind life.

Kate Freelander? The jury is still out.

I thought the CG was shonky too. :(


In commentary's they have said they use CH stand in a few times to fill on for him. So that might have happened here. Honestly after such a great first season and the start of this one, this episode just did not hit it out of the ball park like I am used to the show doing on a constant basis, except warriors.

They set the bar pretty high in season one and now their game needs to be stepped up more.

Merlin's_Legacy
November 5th, 2009, 05:54 PM
in regards to Ashley's absence, Everybody keeps berating TPTB but if you take a second to do some searching you'll find that what happened is that Emilie Ullerup decided to take a job on Smallville. It was a big risk for Sanctuary but a good opportunity for Emilie. She may or may not be back on Sanctuary depending on how things go After Smallville.

And as for Kate.... At least they didn't pull a dud like switching the actress that played "Aunt Viv" on The Fresh Prince of Bellaire. (Didn't they do that for a character on Rosanne too?)

majorsal
November 5th, 2009, 05:58 PM
in regards to Ashley's absence, Everybody keeps berating TPTB but if you take a second to do some searching you'll find that what happened is that Emilie Ullerup decided to take a job on Smallville. It was a big risk for Sanctuary but a good opportunity for Emilie. She may or may not be back on Sanctuary depending on how things go After Smallville.


then why hasn't anyone said that *that's* why the 'eulogy' storyline happened?

i'd prefer this being true, but i'd like 'proof'.

RealmOfX
November 5th, 2009, 06:12 PM
in regards to Ashley's absence, Everybody keeps berating TPTB but if you take a second to do some searching you'll find that what happened is that Emilie Ullerup decided to take a job on Smallville. It was a big risk for Sanctuary but a good opportunity for Emilie. She may or may not be back on Sanctuary depending on how things go After Smallville.

And as for Kate.... At least they didn't pull a dud like switching the actress that played "Aunt Viv" on The Fresh Prince of Bellaire. (Didn't they do that for a character on Rosanne too?)

Actually Everybody isn't berating TPTB and it would be appreciated if you didn't make sweeping statements like that. Also Emilie had a guest spot on a single episode of Smallville and if you read this interview with Emilie http://uberscifigeek.com/?p=7160 then you'll see it's not as you say.

CarnalPIE
November 5th, 2009, 11:42 PM
:S

punished?

LMFAO Naw, I just mean people refusing to watch the show anymore. They're hitting that whole "if you watch enough to earn us a Season 3 we might bring back Ashley" thing pretty hard and it's obvious why.


you'll find that what happened is that Emilie Ullerup decided to take a job on Smallville.

Besides what's mentioned above, she'll only listed on IMDB as having one episode of Smallville, and that appearance was what, five minutes tops? Not that IMDB always gets it right, but I tend to believe them in this case since there's no indication otherwise.

kes
November 6th, 2009, 01:22 AM
Actually Everybody isn't berating TPTB and it would be appreciated if you didn't make sweeping statements like that. Also Emilie had a guest spot on a single episode of Smallville and if you read this interview with Emilie http://uberscifigeek.com/?p=7160 then you'll see it's not as you say.


LMFAO Naw, I just mean people refusing to watch the show anymore. They're hitting that whole "if you watch enough to earn us a Season 3 we might bring back Ashley" thing pretty hard and it's obvious why.



Besides what's mentioned above, she'll only listed on IMDB as having one episode of Smallville, and that appearance was what, five minutes tops? Not that IMDB always gets it right, but I tend to believe them in this case since there's no indication otherwise.


True but she is playing a character from the comics.
But thats not the reason
they killed Ash.

NurseFG
November 6th, 2009, 02:27 AM
True but she is playing a character from the comics.
But thats not the reason
they killed Ash.

It was apparently a creative decision

WishIwasJoes
November 6th, 2009, 06:36 AM
in regards to Ashley's absence, Everybody keeps berating TPTB but if you take a second to do some searching you'll find that what happened is that Emilie Ullerup decided to take a job on Smallville. It was a big risk for Sanctuary but a good opportunity for Emilie. She may or may not be back on Sanctuary depending on how things go After Smallville.

And as for Kate.... At least they didn't pull a dud like switching the actress that played "Aunt Viv" on The Fresh Prince of Bellaire. (Didn't they do that for a character on Rosanne too?)

She got that job before she was let go. The info on wikopedia is wrong, as usual. She went out for the part while on break from Sanctuary and its not a recurring role as of yet. She said she hopes it might become one.

siles
November 7th, 2009, 03:52 AM
It was apparently a creative decision

No, it was not. It was a network decision!

Isolde
November 7th, 2009, 06:50 AM
in regards to Ashley's absence, Everybody keeps berating TPTB but if you take a second to do some searching you'll find that what happened is that Emilie Ullerup decided to take a job on Smallville. It was a big risk for Sanctuary but a good opportunity for Emilie. She may or may not be back on Sanctuary depending on how things go After Smallville.

Do they? I hadn't noticed that even when I go back a few pages to check. I would say people on this thread are actually very polite and reserved, with some valid points.

As for Emilie, and though she's a very nice kid, my feelings about her acting skills are that they need serious honing. If the network let her go then that may have been one of the reasons, but perhaps they are revisiting the costs of a show that consists mostly of green screening and FX?


And as for Kate.... At least they didn't pull a dud like switching the actress that played "Aunt Viv" on The Fresh Prince of Bellaire. (Didn't they do that for a character on Rosanne too?)

The lass playing Kate, Agam Darshi, is a pretty girl too, or so I am reliably informed by the men of my acquaintance, but her acting is straight out of school. She comes across as a brash, ambitious young thing, brimming with confidence and cocky (impressions from reading her bio etc) which means she is playing an extension of herself. I will be interested to see if she can pull something noteworthy out of the hat, such as emotional content.

WishIwasJoes
November 8th, 2009, 07:07 AM
To get back on track there was one thing I LOVED about this eppy and that was Helen's hair being straight. For real the messy curly hair just looks like she got out of bed. I do not like it.

Also I found myself looking at scenes and thinking, that should have been ashley. Like where Magnus traps the hero and Will shoots him. Will riding a bike and wielding a gun just remind me of all the things Dr. Jackson used to not do and then suddenly started doing. :(

Also the man with the lovely accent leading teams agains the abnormal. I though oh yeah that was Ashley there. Kates storyline just seemed added on to me.

Also hated the music that was playing as they tried to take Walker's suit off. It was a bit like Kate. It did not have the Sanctuary feel.

Alot of people are not happy with the fact that Kate killed some one or that Magnus over looked it.

I think what really happened in that scene was that Magnus knows what she did. And she is not saying yes its ok to kill some one. She is smiling because Magnus herself would have acted the same way. I however did not like the fact that Kate found that she had to lie or that Magnus let her feel as though she got away with it. Magnus is all knowing and I think she should have had some small remark that let Kate know she was the wiser.

If you wish to watch this eppy again its now on Hulu. :)

AtlantisRules!!!
November 8th, 2009, 08:19 AM
Well.. she most likely knows what Kate did.. thats why she looked over it :p

I like Kate... she comes close after Henry as my favorite characters :P

Deklin (spelling?) is another awesome character.. I hope he stays. :D

Alder
November 8th, 2009, 11:13 AM
Well, I'm a bit behind with this episode, since I'm watching the repeat nearly a week after it aired here...

Was that Kate lass now in the credits? I looked up just as the camera was pulling away, and I could see that Druitt had been added. (No mistaking *that* silhouette!)

Also, the Big Guy seems...odd. Hm.

MissCheerfully
November 8th, 2009, 11:27 AM
Does anyone what the title of the music where the team is trying to get of Walter's suit????

Alder
November 8th, 2009, 12:01 PM
Hmmm...I actually enjoyed that! I think having a gap in watching between episode three and this one helped, since I've recovered a bit from the whole Ashley thing...

Something was *definitely* off with the big guy. What was that all about?

Also, don't know what the music was MissCheerfully, sorry.

tricky
November 9th, 2009, 01:01 PM
Skipped ahead, so I apologize if I step on any toes.
Not a bad episode; i guess the thinking was something light after losing Ashley.
Kinda liked the big-bug, but it did feel like the other big bugs in a warehouse ep from last season (with better results, I guess).

The Kate/Constantine thing: So, we've heard the last of the Cabal? And some Underworld Abnormal dealer is taking over in their place? Oh wait, he's gone. I was just getting used to the Cabal as the big bad, and was thinking that Constantine was going to be the new B.B., but I guess not.

OK, so Walter, a true comic-book nerd, didn't see the obvious threat of his Suit? I guess he never read any Spiderman? Sure, the Suit isn't a Symbiote, but before Venom became a character, there was this idea that the "Black-Costume" Symbiote was killing or draining Peter Parker (I read a What if comic where it did, and then went from one super to the next, eventually taking over Thor). But Walter never thought of that?
But I did like the idea of the Suit: I hope they find a way to utilize it again.

Alder
November 9th, 2009, 01:42 PM
Skipped ahead, so I apologize if I step on any toes.
Not a bad episode; i guess the thinking was something light after losing Ashley.
Kinda liked the big-bug, but it did feel like the other big bugs in a warehouse ep from last season (with better results, I guess).
Heh, I did think of that, I saw season one really recently.

But I did like the idea of the Suit: I hope they find a way to utilize it again.
Ooo, I hadn't thought of that...but hmmm...for temporary super powers? And then 'wishing' it off when they're done with it? Could be useful...

Commander Zelix
November 17th, 2009, 07:11 AM
LOL I really like this episode. Should have been broadcast after Pavor (I saw it after Pavor). I understand why people wouldn't like it. It was very light and tongue in cheek. I thought it was pretty funny. Usually not my type of episode, but I actually like this one. I wont soon forget this unusual superhero.

Mousie
April 18th, 2010, 11:19 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before so apologies if it has, I re watched Hero last night and noticed that Joe the security guard was listed as working for the Beedie Group!

http://sanctuary-caps.com/displayimage.php?pos=-42013

dipsofjazz
April 19th, 2010, 04:38 AM
Not sure if this has been posted before so apologies if it has, I re watched Hero last night and noticed that Joe the security guard was listed as working for the Beedie Group!

http://sanctuary-caps.com/displayimage.php?pos=-42013

:D LOL! Good catch.

Teal'c_PI
July 10th, 2010, 08:39 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before so apologies if it has, I re watched Hero last night and noticed that Joe the security guard was listed as working for the Beedie Group!

http://sanctuary-caps.com/displayimage.php?pos=-42013

I caught that too :D

As for the episode itself, I really liked it - it's my favorite from S2 - but I do think that Pavor Nocturnus should've come first. Even so, it's just such an enjoyable episode that I kind of didn't mind :rolleyes:

EvenstarSRV
July 15th, 2010, 12:22 PM
I rewatched this episode for the first time yesterday and I enjoyed it much more this time around than when I first saw it, probably because after EON/Eulogy I was a bit thrown by such a light-hearted episode. CG did a great job as the Adjuster and his commentary on the DVD is just hilarious.

Starsaber
February 5th, 2011, 06:06 PM
The suit reminded me a lot of the Ancient personal shield from Hide and Seek in SGA in terms of the whole wishing it off thing.

I got a chuckle out of them using the Green Arrow origin as part of Walter's fake origin, considering he's a regular character on Smallville (which is filmed across the street or something close like that).

selene0789
September 22nd, 2011, 02:33 PM
I liked this episode. It was light and fluffy, which was kinda nice to see on a somewhat drama-heavy show. But that said, I think it was *too* fluffy to air right after Eulogy. It was a little too jarring, so soon after accepting Ashley as dead. But at the same time, it was kinda necessary, to reassure us viewers that it was not going to be all angst all the time.

So, mixed feelings, a bit :)

Overall though, airing schedule aside, brilliant episode!

Skydiver
September 5th, 2012, 04:22 PM
So hero.....gotta admit, i found it trying, simply because I don't like episodes of anything where someone is foolish. Just my personal quirk.

that said, both storylines were pretty good. I liked the monster hunt, even as I liked Kate confronting her past....and proving her loyalty - at least for the present. Kate probably didn't realize that sally gave helen a blow by blow account of all that happened, and Helen, with her squishy morales, certainly doesn't cotton to murder...yet has to acknowledge that one less constantine in the universe is a good thing, for her and her abnormals. andthe fact that Kate just handled it, which I think is that kind of independant thinking magnus likes.

good comedic relief after all the angst of the past few episodes, but still with some grace and tact and not totally silly

JanSam
September 5th, 2012, 05:55 PM
I share that personal quirk Sky. The episode is ok but not one that I tend to watch.

I'm sure Kate was nervous when Magnus asked to talk to her since their prior "talks" was Helen threatening her most of the time. I agree that Helen isn't one to condone murder but since Sally was sure to fill her in on what happened she felt Constantine would have had to be deal with anyway. The talk was to let Kate knew she was aware of it and Helen's way of warning her not to do it again.

I did have to chuckle at Henry's enthusiasm and Helen just leading in and leaving him hanging :D.

Skydiver
September 5th, 2012, 06:08 PM
Yeah, helen's little talk was very much a 'you can't sneak anything past me' warning. she knew, maybe didn't condone, but couldn't condemn (one less abnormal hunter/trafficker is a good thing)