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J-Whitt Remastered
October 8th, 2009, 04:46 PM
Just sitting here watching "Air, Part 1" (again), and I noticed something. The nondisclosure agreement that Rush handed to Eli seems to be a little too small. Shouldn't something that important be MUCH larger to prevent as many loopholes as possible? Also, in order to confirm for the courts what he isn't supposed disclose shouldn't it be written in the agreement? Otherwise there's really no saying what they wanted kept secret, and that would defeat the purpose of the agreement to begin with.

Cold Fuzz
October 8th, 2009, 05:12 PM
Just sitting here watching "Air, Part 1" (again), and I noticed something. The nondisclosure agreement that Rush handed to Eli seems to be a little too small. Shouldn't something that important be MUCH larger to prevent as many loopholes as possible? Also, in order to confirm for the courts what he isn't supposed disclose shouldn't it be written in the agreement? Otherwise there's really no saying what they wanted kept secret, and that would defeat the purpose of the agreement to begin with.

I recall Jeannie McKay having to sign a similarly-sized non-disclosure agreement. Maybe they've had to come up with so many NDAs (non-disclosure agreements) with new SGC personnel getting trained that they simply streamlined everything?

The Prophet
October 8th, 2009, 05:31 PM
I agree to the terms and conditions found in the Non-Disclosure Agreement Companion Handbook. Which can be found at www.stargate.com or at Level 20+ at Cheyenne Mountain Complex. Signiture below

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Basically that :P

J-Whitt Remastered
October 8th, 2009, 05:35 PM
www.stargate.com[/url] or at Level 20+ at Cheyenne Mountain Complex. Signiture below

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Basically that :P

I'd think that legally they would have to know what EXACTLY they are signing. Full disclosure is commonplace with every contract that people have to sign (including with credit card companies that will hike your APR up by dozens of percentage points after a single missed payment). An NDA is basically a contract saying "you don't say anything and you'll be free to go on your merry way."

asdfgh
October 8th, 2009, 07:49 PM
[QUOTE=JI'd think that legally they would have to know what EXACTLY they are signing. Full disclosure is commonplace with every contract that people have to sign (including with credit card companies that will hike your APR up by dozens of percentage points after a single missed payment). An NDA is basically a contract saying "you don't say anything and you'll be free to go on your merry way."[/QUOTE]

That does make sence, but then the person would be able to simple say "I'm not signing that" and still know everything, in this case about the stargate program, and be able to tell everyone what they learned without any legal consequences.

I would think when it came to NDA, it's more a general agreement where whatever you see, hear or learn form this point on about anything relative even connected to this will be classified. So you either agree to those broad terms or leave. It's kind of like with certain research companies where you sign this discloser agreements where if you discover or invent something even if it's not related to their research or done during working hours, it will still belong to the company.

Cold Fuzz
October 8th, 2009, 07:53 PM
That does make sence, but then the person would be able to simple say "I'm not signing that" and still know everything, in this case about the stargate program, and be able to tell everyone what they learned without any legal consequences.

I would think when it came to NDA, it's more a general agreement where whatever you see, hear or learn form this point on about anything relative even connected to this will be classified. So you either agree to those broad terms or leave. It's kind of like with certain research companies where you sign this discloser agreements where if you discover or invent something even if it's not related to their research or done during working hours, it will still belong to the company.

Well, if someone is not willing to sign the NDA, I'm pretty sure some NID boys will get involved and good ol' Agent Barrett will come knocking on somebody's door to tell them that they're about to be permanently relocated for the sake of national--or should I say planetary--security.

Pharaoh Atem
October 8th, 2009, 07:54 PM
maybe the SGC has their own version serperate from the airforce

Lightning Ducj
October 8th, 2009, 09:29 PM
"You talk...they never find the body"

pretty short

Pharaoh Atem
October 8th, 2009, 09:32 PM
"You talk...they never find the body"

pretty short

hell the sgc could just beam people into the sun :P

Lahela
October 8th, 2009, 11:16 PM
I thought the page we could see was just the cover page and that the document itself was several pages long. :confused:

Jeffala
October 9th, 2009, 04:30 AM
You have to sign the NDA before you're told the classified materials. Why then, would the NDA contain the classified materials and thus allow you to read it before signing? It would defeat the purpose.

The NDA would say something to the effect that, "I agree that I will not tell anyone not associated with the project(s) that I am working on what I am to learn while in the employ of the United States Air Force (or IOA, United States Marine Corps, etc.) and that if I should, I will be subject to the penalties outlined in Section 1.2. I further agree that this Non-Disclosure Agreement is binding in perpetuity and should portions (or the whole) of the project(s) that I am working on be declassified, I will only publicly discuss those aspects of the project(s) that are cleared by superiors for circulation to the public at-large."

An NDA doesn't have to be that thick to be comprehensive

Lahela
October 9th, 2009, 04:41 AM
I was going from the fact that the document Rush handed Eli was several pages long:

Cycrow
October 9th, 2009, 06:49 AM
an NDA doesn't have to detail exactly what u can and cant say.

usually they just a simple, "you can not disclose anything you have learnt here"

i've signed several NDA's in the past, and they've all been on a single page

Captain Obvious
October 9th, 2009, 07:30 AM
military secrecy NDA's aren't very big, because they can just say that any information, experiences or ideas that come from access to information over a certain level become property of the US GOVT.

hedwig
October 9th, 2009, 07:35 AM
Well, if someone is not willing to sign the NDA, I'm pretty sure some NID boys will get involved and good ol' Agent Barrett will come knocking on somebody's door to tell them that they're about to be permanently relocated for the sake of national--or should I say planetary--security.

Eli said something like "If I don't sign, what'll you do? Wipe my mind clean of this meeting?" and Rush says "something like that". They'd use those things that plant false memories in a person's mind that SG1 discovered and they used on Vala in one of the episodes of S9 or 10 when she thought she'd been betrayed by the rest of SG1 and the SGC and went off with Adria, only to find her mind had been tampered with - only in that episode Vala had agreed to the whole thing. In this case, I'm quite sure Eli would not agree and they'd have done it anyway.

The Prophet
October 9th, 2009, 07:44 AM
Eli said something like "If I don't sign, what'll you do? Wipe my mind clean of this meeting?" and Rush says "something like that". They'd use those things that plant false memories in a person's mind that SG1 discovered and they used on Vala in one of the episodes of S9 or 10 when she thought she'd been betrayed by the rest of SG1 and the SGC and went off with Adria, only to find her mind had been tampered with - only in that episode Vala had agreed to the whole thing. In this case, I'm quite sure Eli would not agree and they'd have done it anyway.

OR, rewrite their memories so they think they've already signed it, and have someone forge his signiture instead, then he'll think he agreed, and would be forced to come along and help them.

Lahela
October 9th, 2009, 08:20 AM
military secrecy NDA's aren't very big, because they can just say that any information, experiences or ideas that come from access to information over a certain level become property of the US GOVT.

Somebody should tell that to the props people then, because the one they gave Eli was clearly at least two pages.

Cold Fuzz
October 9th, 2009, 08:24 AM
Eli said something like "If I don't sign, what'll you do? Wipe my mind clean of this meeting?" and Rush says "something like that". They'd use those things that plant false memories in a person's mind that SG1 discovered and they used on Vala in one of the episodes of S9 or 10 when she thought she'd been betrayed by the rest of SG1 and the SGC and went off with Adria, only to find her mind had been tampered with - only in that episode Vala had agreed to the whole thing. In this case, I'm quite sure Eli would not agree and they'd have done it anyway.

Ah, a much more tidy solution indeed. Eli probably would never distinguish the false memories from the real ones, though I'm sure they'd assign some NID folks to keep an eye on him from time to time to make sure nothing was amiss.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
October 9th, 2009, 09:53 AM
i went to the www.stargate.com site and it doesnt work for me.

The Prophet
October 9th, 2009, 03:15 PM
i went to the www.stargate.com site and it doesnt work for me.

Yeah, it seems to be some software advertising site. You'd think MGM would've tried to buy it from them. Maybe they weren't able to.

garhkal
October 9th, 2009, 03:29 PM
That does make sence, but then the person would be able to simple say "I'm not signing that" and still know everything, in this case about the stargate program, and be able to tell everyone what they learned without any legal consequences.

I would think when it came to NDA, it's more a general agreement where whatever you see, hear or learn form this point on about anything relative even connected to this will be classified. So you either agree to those broad terms or leave. It's kind of like with certain research companies where you sign this discloser agreements where if you discover or invent something even if it's not related to their research or done during working hours, it will still belong to the company.

Yup. Remember at the end of Season 8 for SG1 (morbius) sam and daniel were told to sign NDA's (which iirc were small things) or not get told why they were even there..


OR, rewrite their memories so they think they've already signed it, and have someone forge his signiture instead, then he'll think he agreed, and would be forced to come along and help them.

I could see that happening.. Especially with people they ABSOLUTELY want.