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BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 6th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Why were the mother ships in the pilot so different? I don't mind them being different, they looked super cool, but I believe it should have been explained. I also think they should have explained why the Hammond could not take out at least one of the Hat'aks.

Duneknight
October 6th, 2009, 08:30 PM
Hammond i think isnt finished yet.

DigiFluid
October 6th, 2009, 08:33 PM
Well, there's now several Ori motherships roaming the galaxy without a cause. Maybe the Lucian Laiiance (if that's who it was that attacked) got their hands on one and incorporated some of its tech into Ha'taks.

Besides that, I imagine it has something to do with Continuum. For that they had the budget to pay Rainmaker to really jazz up the special effects, and now that Rainmaker has those 3d models and effects just saved on file.... Well, that means bigger effects for less money.

BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 6th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Hammond i think isnt finished yet.
Heres the thing, I can understand if like Sam said that they started firing right out of hyperspace and caught them off guard and they asguard weapons were down but I just don't believe that they would be escorting a United States Senator( who is funding the base) and more civilians on a ship that isn't finished. Especially when that means they the ship did not have its main weapons. It was kind of insulting to me being a HARD core SG1 and Atlantis fan for them not to do a better job and the writing and explaining.

Duneknight
October 6th, 2009, 08:39 PM
so why didnt SGC take those Ori motherships?

BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 6th, 2009, 08:44 PM
Well, there's now several Ori motherships roaming the galaxy without a cause. Maybe the Lucian Laiiance (if that's who it was that attacked) got their hands on one and incorporated some of its tech into Ha'taks.

Besides that, I imagine it has something to do with Continuum. For that they had the budget to pay Rainmaker to really jazz up the special effects, and now that Rainmaker has those 3d models and effects just saved on file.... Well, that means bigger effects for less money.

I doubt that they lucian allaince could have gotten their hands on an ori mother ship but if they did it needed to be said. Or It would have been awsome if Sam had said that since they took us off guard they knocked out our beam weapons or they they Lucian alliance has been building more advanced mother ships. It seems to reason that the Lucian Alliance would want to build more ships and they would most likely copy the guald mother ships.

BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 6th, 2009, 08:47 PM
so why didnt SGC take those Ori motherships?

I think that he is talking about the ori mother ships at the end of ark of truth. The ori were dead and the priors were now convinced the ori were dead so there was no immediate threat or reason to destroy them. They do need to incorporate what happend to those ships and the priors and the ori follows since Ark of Truth.

Duneknight
October 6th, 2009, 08:49 PM
but why did they attack icarus and not earth? why would they care about the ninth chevron? they arent like the genii

Detox
October 6th, 2009, 08:53 PM
I think the most obvious answer is that with the increased budget, they had the animators up the level of details on the Hataks.

BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 6th, 2009, 09:31 PM
I think the most obvious answer is that with the increased budget, they had the animators up the level of details on the Hataks.

Which is a good thing but it needs to be said it the show with an explanation like that the Lucian Alliance has been building better ships. Fans like explanation and feel cheated win the writers over look or are just too lazy to write it in to the show.

Eternal Density
October 6th, 2009, 09:59 PM
Cut scene:
Carter: "Those Ha'taks approaching us look so much cooler than the regular ones. It would be such a shame to spoil them..."

Encoder
October 6th, 2009, 11:37 PM
Heres the thing, I can understand if like Sam said that they started firing right out of hyperspace and caught them off guard and they asguard weapons were down but I just don't believe that they would be escorting a United States Senator( who is funding the base) and more civilians on a ship that isn't finished. Especially when that means they the ship did not have its main weapons. It was kind of insulting to me being a HARD core SG1 and Atlantis fan for them not to do a better job and the writing and explaining.

Yeah, with the limited amount of time spent on the Hammond I guess the status report of "Asgard weapons are offline" never made it to us.

Being one of the newer F304's Hammond most certainly would have had them installed.

The only real reason for not using them is battle damage!

:sheppard:

Encoder
October 7th, 2009, 12:07 AM
so why didnt SGC take those Ori motherships?

Probably haven't developed a control interface into the ships as yet.

Also, knowing what Apophis did to his Death Gliders S04E12, you might expect that the Ori ships may have a return home protocol as well?!

:sheppard:

toby1kanobi
October 7th, 2009, 01:16 AM
Why were the mother ships in the pilot so different? I don't mind them being different, they looked super cool, but I believe it should have been explained. I also think they should have explained why the Hammond could not take out at least one of the Hat'aks.

Carter says that there are fighters and escorts planet bound and that they have shot down a whole bunch but not enough. as there are only 2 beam weapons on the 304 (look at any battle where there used, theres one on each side) then they cant target a ton of ighters and the hatacks at the same time, the hatacks were not inflictig damage to the hammond, carter is told there shields are holding and that was while getting a pounding from atleast 3 ships so y bother to fire on a non threat, they are military so they fire on the big threat first, ie the planet bound ships

toby1kanobi
October 7th, 2009, 01:24 AM
but why did they attack icarus and not earth? why would they care about the ninth chevron? they arent like the genii

earth is to well defended, if atlantis is still there then earth is safe, nothing in the milkey way can match atlantis for shields or firepower and as a single drone weapon can destroy a mother ship even a puddle jumper wave from atlantis could destroy the ships in a matter of mins

AND, if the atlantis drone chair can controle more than one weapons platform at the same time (if they moved the chair from antartica did they move the drone launcher aswell, it was an outpost so the drone chamber would be vast in size like the drone room we saw in The Tower then it would be impractical to move, so dus the chair haft to be hardwired to the outpost or is it a remote thing. if it is remote the atlantis chair could very well activate both drone platforms, and one platform can take out an armarda of goauld ships so 2 chairs and a fleet of jumpers would mince a couple of hataks

we may be able to speculate that we also have asguard beam weapon satalites and shield generators in orbit, we have the tech and are bound to use it to defend ourselves, that would be an obvious move to do

Tawny
October 7th, 2009, 11:21 AM
I have another reason that Ori tech wouldn't be mentioned or intergrated, though it isn't an in universe one. I'm under the impression that SGU is a whole new show, not just a spin off like Atlantis was, which will probably bring in many new viewers. Using explanations that would more than likely confuse the newer viewers would certainly be a risk. I mean, who wants to watch a new show, without watching the predecessors, and then realise you'll have to watch them to make sense of the new one.

Am I making sense? :p

thekillman
October 7th, 2009, 11:23 AM
there are many things explained and many question raised. we've seen 90 minutes of stargate. how the hell can they explain all?

just follow the show, it'll probably be made more clear later.

and i bet the LA wants some of that badass ancient tech too

Meshakhad
October 7th, 2009, 11:28 AM
I'm going to go with the theory that there were more Lucian Alliance ships that had already been destroyed.

Anubis Lives
October 7th, 2009, 12:01 PM
The reason they look diffrent is because they have more detail. Other than that they are the same.

And Carter mentions they came straight out of hyperspace so I assume they disabled beam weapons quickly.

thekillman
October 7th, 2009, 12:43 PM
the rate of fire was insane.

you only see it for a few seconds, but the weaponsfire was several bolts per second

Captain Obvious
October 7th, 2009, 01:37 PM
The real question is, why shouldn't there be some kind of upgrade to the enemy ships? You don't think only the Taur'i are allowed to improve technology within a 16 year span, right?

Anubis had a lot of ancient tech at his disposal. With his death there had to be some lying around for other groups to get their hands on and exploit. It easily explains the modified ha'taks.

There are too many people crying because every little tiny point in the story was not tied up into a neat little bow for them in the first 2 episodes, and I find this to be really quite sad. Can we just be happy with the fact we have a new stargate show on TV and let the explanations happen in their own time? Either that or they can give you zero answers, and give you something to write about in your fanfics and debate about for the next 10 years on the technology forum.

garhkal
October 7th, 2009, 04:16 PM
but why did they attack icarus and not earth? why would they care about the ninth chevron? they arent like the genii

Cause like others they have seen what we have become with access to ancient tech. Maybe they feared what we would become when we unlock the 9th cheveron.

Eternal Density
October 7th, 2009, 04:31 PM
Good point Captain Obvious. I prefer to see the ship as half full, rather than as half empty. Or something.

techwork
October 7th, 2009, 04:40 PM
This is commy super ha'tak - :D
- Oh sir this is bast'' commy attak our spaceship
- Kill'em all sergeant Raynolds, Kill'em all

BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 7th, 2009, 11:22 PM
The real question is, why shouldn't there be some kind of upgrade to the enemy ships? You don't think only the Taur'i are allowed to improve technology within a 16 year span, right?

Anubis had a lot of ancient tech at his disposal. With his death there had to be some lying around for other groups to get their hands on and exploit. It easily explains the modified ha'taks.

There are too many people crying because every little tiny point in the story was not tied up into a neat little bow for them in the first 2 episodes, and I find this to be really quite sad. Can we just be happy with the fact we have a new stargate show on TV and let the explanations happen in their own time? Either that or they can give you zero answers, and give you something to write about in your fanfics and debate about for the next 10 years on the technology forum.

First off Captain Oblivious, I said that I did not mind the new ships and that I liked them. I just wanted to know why it wasn't brought up. It would have been cool and good story telling if they had mentioned the the Lucian Alliance were building bigger, better ships. It could even be something to build up for the next SG1 movie.

Second, I am pretty sure that voicing our personal opinions and our personal questions,likes and dislikes of the show is what the forum is all about.

Detox
October 7th, 2009, 11:39 PM
First off Captain Oblivious, I said that I did not mind the new ships and that I liked them. I just wanted to know why it wasn't brought up. It would have been cool and good story telling if they had mentioned the the Lucian Alliance were building bigger, better ships. It could even be something to build up for the next SG1 movie.

Second, I am pretty sure that voicing our personal opinions and our personal questions,likes and dislikes of the show is what the forum is all about.

I already mentioned it. The Hataks aren't different in any way. The only difference was that the visuals was bumped up. There is no in universe difference to them.

techwork
October 8th, 2009, 04:53 PM
First off Captain Oblivious, I said that I did not mind the new ships and that I liked them. I just wanted to know why it wasn't brought up. It would have been cool and good story telling if they had mentioned the the Lucian Alliance were building bigger, better ships. It could even be something to build up for the next SG1 movie.

Second, I am pretty sure that voicing our personal opinions and our personal questions,likes and dislikes of the show is what the forum is all about.

You do not think that the two or three sides for the whole galaxy is not enough?:cameron:

abstractrobbie
October 10th, 2009, 12:59 AM
Why were the mother ships in the pilot so different? I don't mind them being different, they looked super cool, but I believe it should have been explained. I also think they should have explained why the Hammond could not take out at least one of the Hat'aks.
I guess its just a case of moving on and improving things for the better, you could say the same thing about the Enterprise in the new trek movie, looking so different from TOS.

Phenom
October 10th, 2009, 01:23 AM
Perhaps they should have aired SGU in standard definition, so as to not upset the fans who see the ships in better definition now.

knowles2
October 10th, 2009, 01:30 AM
Why were the mother ships in the pilot so different? I don't mind them being different, they looked super cool, but I believe it should have been explained. I also think they should have explained why the Hammond could not take out at least one of the Hat'aks.

There is a hint in Joe Blog

He said that we should not assume that why earth improve it defences and offensive capabilities that other forces in the galaxy have not. I think this hint that who ever attack the Ha'tak have gained new technology.

Also if we take Atlantis season 4 episode when we sure into the future we were told that the galaxy was in pretty bad shape, it certainly was not a rosy picture.

We should presume that these are new off the line vessels incorporating new technology, perhaps from the time they capture our vessel or perhaps new more advice species are awakening in the galaxy an using the lucian alliance as a cover.

BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 10th, 2009, 06:09 PM
Carter says that there are fighters and escorts planet bound and that they have shot down a whole bunch but not enough. as there are only 2 beam weapons on the 304 (look at any battle where there used, theres one on each side) then they cant target a ton of ighters and the hatacks at the same time, the hatacks were not inflictig damage to the hammond, carter is told there shields are holding and that was while getting a pounding from atleast 3 ships so y bother to fire on a non threat, they are military so they fire on the big threat first, ie the planet bound ships

Okay , heres the problem (in my opinion) with that. If they Lucian Alliance was planning on destroying the Icarus base, once they got in orbit and saw the Hammond,knowing our defensive capabilities, would have had to shift their attacks towards the Hammond. The ships of solders and the gliders would have continued their attack of the planet. Once in Orbit the Hammond would have been the main threat. Destroy the Hammond and the base is basically defenseless. The Icarus 302's would have been busy engaging the gliders and transport ships leaving the mother ships unengaged to fire at the icarus base from space.

BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 10th, 2009, 06:12 PM
There is a hint in Joe Blog

He said that we should not assume that why earth improve it defences and offensive capabilities that other forces in the galaxy have not. I think this hint that who ever attack the Ha'tak have gained new technology.

Also if we take Atlantis season 4 episode when we sure into the future we were told that the galaxy was in pretty bad shape, it certainly was not a rosy picture.

We should presume that these are new off the line vessels incorporating new technology, perhaps from the time they capture our vessel or perhaps new more advice species are awakening in the galaxy an using the lucian alliance as a cover.

LIke I said, I like the new ships. I think in the next SG1 or Atlantis movies, that their should be both the old design and the new design. All I am saying is it would have taken only a few seconds of air time to explain why.

a6346
October 10th, 2009, 07:51 PM
LIke I said, I like the new ships. I think in the next SG1 or Atlantis movies, that their should be both the old design and the new design. All I am saying is it would have taken only a few seconds of air time to explain why.

And another little bit of time to explain this and another bit of time to explain this and this, Oh wait we need to make this episode a 4 parter instead of a 3 parter to exlpain all this crap. Hataks now look better because of CGI, Why do season 8 Hataks look better than season 1's? was this ever explained. No it wasn't so why don't we complain about that.

As for Hammond not firing on the Hataks, I don't have any explanation apart from its shields were down on the opening volleys. They could have easily written in that the Hataks were destroyed by beam weapons as the gliders were the ones doing the main attack and the Htaks were not needed for the destruction of Icarus.

BIG_GATE_HEAD
October 10th, 2009, 11:11 PM
And another little bit of time to explain this and another bit of time to explain this and this, Oh wait we need to make this episode a 4 parter instead of a 3 parter to exlpain all this crap. Hataks now look better because of CGI, Why do season 8 Hataks look better than season 1's? was this ever explained. No it wasn't so why don't we complain about that.

As for Hammond not firing on the Hataks, I don't have any explanation apart from its shields were down on the opening volleys. They could have easily written in that the Hataks were destroyed by beam weapons as the gliders were the ones doing the main attack and the Htaks were not needed for the destruction of Icarus.

All it would have taken is a few seconds for some one to say something along the lines of " The new Lucian Allaince ships are more advanced" or " Carter actually state that it would be her guess that it was the Lucian alliance attacking, she could have easily followed it up with since they have been building more ships with better advanced technology. They could have easily said this and if they did need to take out a little of the show they could have easily cut out a few seconds of the super boring conversation between Chloe and Scott. See no need for beehatching about me complaining, I just like major differences to explained. Especially if its super cool new ships.

spinny magee
October 10th, 2009, 11:54 PM
They just looked more detailed nothing much. And to be honest it really doesn't require an explanation : Upgraded special effects is the obvious answer.

knowles2
October 11th, 2009, 02:52 AM
LIke I said, I like the new ships. I think in the next SG1 or Atlantis movies, that their should be both the old design and the new design. All I am saying is it would have taken only a few seconds of air time to explain why.

It will probably be explained, in further episodes. Given the serial nature of the program. There a lot of things in the 3 episodes that go unexplained, does not mean it will stay like that at the end of the series.

Pharaoh Atem
October 11th, 2009, 11:46 AM
Why were the mother ships in the pilot so different? I don't mind them being different, they looked super cool, but I believe it should have been explained. I also think they should have explained why the Hammond could not take out at least one of the Hat'aks.

the Hat'aks looked different because rob & brad now have the budget to make CGI ships the way their proabalyt intended for them to look like from the beginning

YutheGreat
October 12th, 2009, 04:50 AM
The Hatak vessels looked more detailed. Maybe it was just the visual effects. The Lucian Alliance has the Goauld shipyards so they could probably modify their own but you have to remember most human races are uneducated believing the Goauld as gods etc. SO its unlikely they can build their own for now.

kinseySG
October 15th, 2009, 05:58 PM
i agree with all the people who actually watch star gate... hammond was unfinished..
no asgard beam weapons..

GuHNDoi
October 20th, 2009, 10:01 PM
And another little bit of time to explain this and another bit of time to explain this and this, Oh wait we need to make this episode a 4 parter instead of a 3 parter to exlpain all this crap. Hataks now look better because of CGI, Why do season 8 Hataks look better than season 1's? was this ever explained. No it wasn't so why don't we complain about that.

As for Hammond not firing on the Hataks, I don't have any explanation apart from its shields were down on the opening volleys. They could have easily written in that the Hataks were destroyed by beam weapons as the gliders were the ones doing the main attack and the Htaks were not needed for the destruction of Icarus.

Then they would had to add another little bit explain this and another bit to explain this and this, Oh wait we need to make this episode a 4 parter instead of a 3 parter to exlpain all this crap.:P

They do look cool and the Puddle aswell, reminds me of the original film effects.

Paradoxum
December 2nd, 2009, 09:52 AM
they simply looked better detailed, it's not like they were actually changed to be different.

and i'm pretty sure they couldn't use the ori ships because they were powered by the Ori, the same way their troops weapons and stuff were powered by the ori, so if they ever turned on their 'gods' they couldn't use the weapons against them, it was explained in an episode..