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Splinter MM
October 3rd, 2009, 05:42 PM
I always liked Dr.Lee and I laughed when I saw him being taken over by Rush. With the LRC being used, Dr. Lee would have been in Rush's body. I would think he would have found somebody to interact with unless the device was used very quickly with Rush being in an isolated area. I am curious if we will find out if more happened during that time. I also want to know what rush really did in Lee's body.

What do you guys think? From what I remember, Lee was sitting in front of some schematics on a screen, the stood up. I don't believe at all that he talked to Jack and was put in charge. I hope we find out more.

One last thing, since rush was switched with Lee, does that mean any time he uses it he will be switched with lee? As I said, I like Lee, so I would actually like that. He could help the Destiny crew with his brains, so it is a good switch IMO.

Detox
October 3rd, 2009, 05:45 PM
I'm not sure, but from how the scene was set up. Dr. Lee in a room with an SF at the door. It seemed like they assumed that someone might've taken the stones with them and had Lee standing by with the other set in case they were used.

Rac80
October 3rd, 2009, 05:55 PM
I don't think he spoke to anyone, I am sure he wasn't there long enough for Lee to have interacted with anyone on the ship, and I am betting money that he will have sabotaged the LRC initally so no one else can connect to earth......

jsonitsac
October 3rd, 2009, 05:59 PM
I don't think he spoke to anyone, I am sure he wasn't there long enough for Lee to have interacted with anyone on the ship, and I am betting money that he will have sabotaged the LRC initally so no one else can connect to earth......

I thought I saw Rush/Lee picking up a phone. If he did, I do wonder whom he called because I seriously doubt that he called Jack.

Rac80
October 3rd, 2009, 06:02 PM
I think he just tried it (the LRC) to see if it could work. maybe he sabotaged Earth's LRC?

Splinter MM
October 3rd, 2009, 06:24 PM
If he tried to sabotage it;

I doubt he did a very good job, or at least not a long lasting one since it is supposed to be a significant part of the series.

Rac80
October 3rd, 2009, 06:28 PM
If he tried to sabotage it;

I doubt he did a very good job, or at least not a long lasting one since it is supposed to be a significant part of the series.

I am sure he TRIED though.... fits with the dynamics of his character.....

Splinter MM
October 3rd, 2009, 06:38 PM
I am sure he TRIED though.... fits with the dynamics of his character.....

That is true. i wouldn't put that past him at all.

If all else fails, he could use Lee's body and take some indecent pictures and leave a note for Lee saying he better mess up the devices or he'll take his body over again and send the picture out to everyone. Just to be clear, I am definetly kidding....even though it may work ;).

Gallienus
October 4th, 2009, 03:45 AM
I'm still curious as to why Rush attempted to take credit for bringing the device to the "Destiny" (god I hate that name) when he must know, and the show goes to great lengths to illustrate, that it was the good Colonel that went out of his way to bring it aboard. When the truth comes out, what does Rush stand to gain? Young doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would go along with this sort of lie under any normal circumstance, so I'm very curious to see how it plays out.

Perhaps Rush might turn out to be brilliant, but not the best at making grabs for power. Even in the pilot he certainly seems not to be the hero or the pure diabolical mastermind one might expect in the SG Universe. I'm pleased so far but there's a lot of episodes to go.

latvian_stargatefan
October 4th, 2009, 04:06 AM
One last thing, since rush was switched with Lee, does that mean any time he uses it he will be switched with lee?
No. According to spoilers, he switches bodies with Telford later. Plus, he didn't damage Earth's LRC since in the promo for Air 3 we see Telford in Young's body on "Destiny" speaking with T.J.

EternalAlteran
October 4th, 2009, 11:41 AM
It was a smart move, but Lee doesn't have to be on the destiny. The first time the system was used by Daniel and Vala, Harrid and Salis were not in their bodies. They were probably surpressed and Daniel and Vala's bodies were in a coma like state

Helmar
October 4th, 2009, 12:45 PM
Well, let's wait and see this tech will certainly explained in one of the next episodes.

To me it looked much like Lee sort of waited for the stones to be activated.

garhkal
October 4th, 2009, 04:09 PM
I'm still curious as to why Rush attempted to take credit for bringing the device to the "Destiny" (god I hate that name) when he must know, and the show goes to great lengths to illustrate, that it was the good Colonel that went out of his way to bring it aboard.

I thought i saw rush grab the silver briefcase.

Rac80
October 4th, 2009, 04:41 PM
I thought i saw rush grab the silver briefcase.

nope it was young who found it and put it in the backpack...rush just went looking for it after they got to the ship.

Makenshi
October 4th, 2009, 06:28 PM
People, I'm sure Rush have his secret (and maybe dark, mwa ha ha) reasons to be eager and stuff. But don't think Rush's alone on this: the Air Force knows a LOT!

Think: would the Atlantis database contain only the adress? NO! It's the adress plus info on the Destiny and it's meaning and stuff! All that research was done knowing that the gate would lead to it, and that it would be far - maybe they didn't expect it to be SO far, that it followed a straight line through 40 gallaxies or more, but... you know...

Lou Diamond Phillips' character clearly lied when Eli asked "do you ppl know where this adress leads?" and he said "no, but SG has 9 chevrons so it must lead somewhere"

Also, I don't doubt he actually spoke to Jack and other high ranked ppl back on Earth. Dr. Lee was already set up with the equipment ready, just waiting for a contact.

He may be lying about being put in charge by O'Neill but that's it. I'm also sure Jack and SGC never planned on sending 80+ ppl w/e the cost, but they surely knew that the destiny was the Destiny (no pun intended :D)

Croatoan
October 5th, 2009, 12:13 PM
What if the 'rush' we see from that point onward in the first and second episode is actually Dr. Lee taking over while Rush fills in TPTB. It would be easier to simply assume the role of someone already somewhat in charge than to attempt to explain how your rush but your not and you have orders to do something, people would think your crazy.

Rac80
October 5th, 2009, 03:09 PM
What if the 'rush' we see from that point onward in the first and second episode is actually Dr. Lee taking over while Rush fills in TPTB. It would be easier to simply assume the role of someone already somewhat in charge than to attempt to explain how your rush but your not and you have orders to do something, people would think your crazy.

Nope ...Dr. lee is a nice guy...Rush isn't...so therefore the jerk we saw was RUSH! ;)

RepliVeggie
October 5th, 2009, 03:40 PM
Actually in the episode where Daniel and Vala went to the Ori galaxy it was 1 way. Maybe the distance prevents 2 way.

garhkal
October 5th, 2009, 04:37 PM
True dat. In Identity (Atlantis season 5) they switched 2 way but were in the same galaxy

The Prophet
October 7th, 2009, 11:04 AM
Wasn't Dr Lee asleep?

So, even if he did take over Rush's body, he'd still be asleep, wouldn't he?

Captain Obvious
October 7th, 2009, 01:47 PM
I'm still curious as to why Rush attempted to take credit for bringing the device to the "Destiny"

He didn't. He said he had them, not that he brought them. It isn't his fault if someone else assumes (like you did) that he was the one that brought them.

Conundrum
October 7th, 2009, 01:52 PM
Actually in the episode where Daniel and Vala went to the Ori galaxy it was 1 way. Maybe the distance prevents 2 way.

In the promo for Air part 3 we Telford in Young's body, and Young talking to O'neill in a Icarus uniform. I'm guessing they switched bodies.

Maybe the stones can be configured to work either way, and maybe that's what the device does.

The Prophet
October 7th, 2009, 01:53 PM
He didn't. He said he had them, not that he brought them. It isn't his fault if someone else assumes (like you did) that he was the one that brought them.

Wrong.


RUSH (holding up the case and speaking loudly enough for everyone in the room to hear): In this case are five Ancient communication stones. They work over vast distances in real time.

SENATOR: You could talk to people on Earth.

RUSH: Yes. You physically take control of an individual at the other end. I brought these with us in the event we ended up somewhere out of range of normal communication.

PacoJr67
October 7th, 2009, 01:57 PM
maybe bringing them was his idea in the first place. They were among the other things that were supposed to go with the expedition. It may just be that Young realized that they had been forgotten.

Captain Obvious
October 7th, 2009, 03:29 PM
RUSH (holding up the case and speaking loudly enough for everyone in the room to hear): In this case are five Ancient communication stones. They work over vast distances in real time.

SENATOR: You could talk to people on Earth.

RUSH: Yes. You physically take control of an individual at the other end. I brought these with us in the event we ended up somewhere out of range of normal communication

He meant he brought them to Icarus. I don't think he was taking credit for saving them from the base explosion. It seems you are blaming poor rush way too quickly for my tastes.

The Prophet
October 7th, 2009, 03:34 PM
He meant he brought them to Icarus. I don't think he was taking credit for saving them from the base explosion. It seems you are blaming poor rush way too quickly for my tastes.

He brought them to the Icarus base, in the event they ended up somewhere out of range of normal communication?

That doesn't really make sense. Especially considering the crew were going through the boxes they took with them, to see what they had.

And, TJ tells Young that Rush said he brought the Communication stones, and Young replies something like "Oh no he didn't".

I think TPTB were indicating that Rush lied. Or hoping the audience wanted them to think that. It'd be a real twist to discover that Rush is actually trying to do something beneficial and altruistic, whilst someone we believe is working against Rush, who we side with, is actually acting selfishly and malignantly.

Aurora24
October 7th, 2009, 03:56 PM
I have two theories about what could have happened while Rush was in control of Lee's body.

Theory 1. Rush is working with someone (or some organization) and he was contacting them to fill them in on what was happening so far. That would fit if he was secretly arranging to get everyone to Destiny the entire time. Its been speculated in some of the threads here that Rush was responsible for the Lucian Alliance attacking the Icarus base. I'm not sure whether that happened or not, but it was a really great way to make sure no one would stop him from dialing the 9th chevron once he figured out how to make it work. And in order for him to arrange something like that he would need contacts to make it happen. So that leaves the question of whether he was calling the shots or if he is working for someone.

Theory 2. Rush needed some kind of information to help him take control of Destiny that wasn't available to him on the ship. I think that we saw Lee (Rush) looking over some screens before making a call. It could be that he was trying to access some information, and when he couldn't find it he called someone who would know, assuming that whoever he called would have no problem sharing that information with Lee.

I actually laughed when afterward he went to the group and told them that Jack put him in charge of the expedition. I guess he was assuming no one there knew O'Neill well enough to know that Jack would never put a scientist in charge in a situation like that. Well, maybe Daniel, but even then I'm not sure.

techwork
October 7th, 2009, 05:06 PM
1.Oh yee Rush is Mayborn clone in depression - maybe, but ... too easy
2. And ....
Maybe Rush is as David Norton in Lunaya Raduga - Moonbow (1983) USSR film partly filmed in Japan.

Encoder
October 7th, 2009, 06:23 PM
I also want to know what rush really did in Lee's body.

What I really want to know is how he disconnected the device!

Perhaps the platform they used has the ability to disconnect the connection.

Probably designed by Dr. Lee as he was charged with working on the devices in SG1

:sheppard:

neufel
October 8th, 2009, 05:04 AM
I also think the cubic device in SGC is a human-made device based on the ancient one we (oops, sorry) destroyed.

But I really don't understand why Rush had to act that way.

Why telling there was many stones, it would only lead to civil war !

But I don't think he lied that much. He knew that in any way people will have connections to Earth. If he really lied about being the new leader, he'll find himself dead in a minute (yay, civil war again).
So I really don't know.
I assume he lied to SGC or has powers (political powers) that could make USAF and IOA bend in his favor.

That stone utilisation was really intriguing, I can't imagine what really happened.

Commander Zelix
October 8th, 2009, 11:25 AM
Rush in Dr. Lee's body to Colonel O'neill:"Sir, I'm Everett Young in Dr. Lee's body. :)

"...We're stuck on a ancient Spaceship... Dr. Rush did a tremendous job at saving our asses. He should lead the expedition"

O'Neill:"You got it Young".

:D

neufel
October 8th, 2009, 02:42 PM
I like the idea.

Or maybe impersonating the US Senator ? :P

garhkal
October 9th, 2009, 03:25 PM
Rush in Dr. Lee's body to Colonel O'neill:"Sir, I'm Everett Young in Dr. Lee's body. :)

"...We're stuck on a ancient Spaceship... Dr. Rush did a tremendous job at saving our asses. He should lead the expedition"

O'Neill:"You got it Young".

:D

That might have been how it happened.. But we will have to wait to see if it is true.