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GateWorld
September 30th, 2009, 02:41 PM
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With the ship on a collision course, Young conducts a lottery to determine who will escape certain death and try and find a habitable planet with the shuttle.

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randomking
October 23rd, 2009, 06:49 PM
omf...just a lital to over powered...what do you all think?

neoncrazy101
October 23rd, 2009, 06:50 PM
one powerful shield. Holy crap.

kcatlantis
October 23rd, 2009, 06:55 PM
Quick review:
Hate Camile
Love Greer
Destiny is awesome.
Rush was better.
Eli and LT. James become an item.

last
October 23rd, 2009, 06:58 PM
Boring till the very end....Its not getting much better i rate it a 3

Replicator Todd
October 23rd, 2009, 07:03 PM
Its official. I am an now an SGU fan, this was an amazing episode. I knew the ship would be charged by the sun, but go INSIDE the sun! Crazy! Destiny seems to be even more powerful than Atlantis! Rush is much better, I could tell when Rush said "thanks for letting me see the ship Eli" that he knew Destiny would survive. Sooooo awesome!

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:03 PM
Drama: Check
Emotion: Check
Plot Devices: GREEN
SUSPENSE: OFF THE SCALE


Light was perfect in almost every way.
Good Job Writers...Finally...

Jeff-B
October 23rd, 2009, 07:03 PM
The big question: Did Rush know what was going to happen?

Mr. Domino
October 23rd, 2009, 07:04 PM
Quick review:
Eli and LT. James become an item.

Where'd you get that?

I enjoyed this episode, although I had issues with the 'twist' being so dang predictable. I mean, I think everyone here knew at the end of Darkness that Destiny was going to use the sun to recharge itself.

Skydiver
October 23rd, 2009, 07:05 PM
The big question: Did Rush know what was going to happen?
i don't think he KNEW, but he had to have suspected, he gambled and won

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:05 PM
The big question: Did Rush know what was going to happen?

HECK I knew.

The ship's track wasn't accidental.
The power shut down to coincidental.
It's a no brainer.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 07:05 PM
Drama: Check
Emotion: Check
Plot Devices: GREEN
SUSPENSE: OFF THE SCALE


Light was perfect in almost every way.
Good Job Writers...Finally...

Even the Chloe-Scott scene.

s09119
October 23rd, 2009, 07:05 PM
I thought the Chloe/Scott scene would infuriate me... and yet... it worked perfectly. Two people who knew they were probably about to die deciding to t least go out feeling like they had someone.

Best episode so far, by a longshot. Long live Universe!

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:05 PM
i don't think he KNEW, but he had to have suspected, he gambled and won


No,sir, he knew, I knew he knew...How could he not know?

Jimbo-DR
October 23rd, 2009, 07:06 PM
i can't believe people like this show... it completely throws everything sci fi out the window... it's like Days Of our lives on a fricken space ship, and the ship flys in and out of stars without sustaining damage. you guys are pretty easy to please apparently

kcatlantis
October 23rd, 2009, 07:06 PM
With Scott and Chloe hooking up. Lt. James is left for dust. Eli liked Chloe but now has mixed emotions. Chloe is using him. I saw the look Eli and Lt. James gave each other at the beginning of the episode. I should say that's a prediction.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
October 23rd, 2009, 07:06 PM
yeah its official I'm hooked.

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:06 PM
Even the Chloe-Scott scene.


I skipped it so I don't know what it was.

madaboutdanny
October 23rd, 2009, 07:07 PM
Even the Chloe-Scott scene.

That's was the worst, and not for the sex.

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:08 PM
i can't believe people like this show... it completely throws everything sci fi out the window... it's like Days Of our lives on a fricken space ship, and the ship flys in and out of stars without sustaining damage. you guys are pretty easy to please apparently

Yes,SA!!!
You is looking at one pleased 1st Lieutenant, SA!!!!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
October 23rd, 2009, 07:08 PM
With Scott and Chloe hooking up. Lt. James is left for dust. Eli liked Chloe but now has mixed emotions. Chloe is using him. I saw the look Eli and Lt. James gave each other at the beginning of the episode. I should say that's a prediction.

she's still pissed about what happened when she was in her skivvies.

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:09 PM
But this is a t.v. show where we know it is going to continue. In real life you could not, would not bet the farm on it.

It is amazing how here this episode is locking people in SGU, while at SyFy the moan and complain about how they are true SciFi fans and SGU is crap. Those same people said Light was the last straw.

If you can watch the scene with the Destiny around and in the sun and not be moved in some way, you are not a Science Fiction fan, period.

Hmmm.
In real life...give me those odds any day...and I'll call every time.

Cecil Brax
October 23rd, 2009, 07:09 PM
Wow,

I actually found that to be a really great Episode. Aside from a few points, I thought it was pretty good. I like the way Greer and Young were talking candidly when they thought they were going to die. The one soldier freeking out and wanting to try and do something to get on the ship was pretty realistic. People do crazy things when they think their survival is at stake.

The whole episode worked really well.

Except for the Scott/Chloe scene. I didn't mind that it was a romantic scene by any means, but it felt so fake and really all I have found her to be is annoying so far. She doesn't contribute anything and simply appears to be a plot device for Scott and Eli. Eli's reaction to her was good, but she's just .... so one dimensional so far. I really hope that changes sometime soon or I'll be Fast Forwarding more of her scenes then I did tonight.

I like Scott, when he isn't around Chloe.

So I felt the Episode was good, except for the fakeness of Scott and Chloe's interaction. Otherwise, I enjoyed it.

Yeah, that is one powerful ship. The Ancients really did think of everything when they were designing it. To anyone who might say its overpowered, we don't know if other ancient ships could go inside a star. Maybe Atlantis' shield would have protected it inside of a star. Who knows. We do know the Ancients were extremely good at building technology though.

- CB

AVFan
October 23rd, 2009, 07:11 PM
Wow. Amazing. Young really opened a can of worms. What if Rush did know? HOW did he know?

Poor Eli- Chloe's playing him. I'm not going to yell slut, but...

The Destiny is frickin' awesome. It flew THROUGH a star.. it didn't just skim it.

Awesome looking shuttle. Looks very much like our shuttles, a very formidable craft. :D

I guess flying through that gas giant didn't do anything to fuel the Destiny like we (I) thought.

Very good one/two episode combined with Darkness. It was better than Air 1/2/3 IMO.

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:11 PM
It was good to get to know Greer...
The Chloe Scott thing was really really out of the blue but they seems to be what they were going for.

Yes, it was the bright side of the Air, 3 parters.

les fleurs
October 23rd, 2009, 07:12 PM
We all knew the ship would recharge itself but how it did it was all kinds of awesome. I'm glad the patented last minute save is alive and well in the Stargate franchise.

I'm just loving Rush.

Specter177
October 23rd, 2009, 07:13 PM
All in all, a great episode. Bring on "Water!"

s09119
October 23rd, 2009, 07:14 PM
Wow,

I actually found that to be a really great Episode. Aside from a few points, I thought it was pretty good. I like the way Greer and Young were talking candidly when they thought they were going to die. The one soldier freeking out and wanting to try and do something to get on the ship was pretty realistic. People do crazy things when they think their survival is at stake.

The whole episode worked really well.

Except for the Scott/Chloe scene. I didn't mind that it was a romantic scene by any means, but it felt so fake and really all I have found her to be is annoying so far. She doesn't contribute anything and simply appears to be a plot device for Scott and Eli. Eli's reaction to her was good, but she's just .... so one dimensional so far. I really hope that changes sometime soon or I'll be Fast Forwarding more of her scenes then I did tonight.

I like Scott, when he isn't around Chloe.

So I felt the Episode was good, except for the fakeness of Scott and Chloe's interaction. Otherwise, I enjoyed it.

Yeah, that is one powerful ship. The Ancients really did think of everything when they were designing it. To anyone who might say its overpowered, we don't know if other ancient ships could go inside a star. Maybe Atlantis' shield would have protected it inside of a star. Who knows. We do know the Ancients were extremely good at building technology though.

- CB

Scott/Chloe wasn't supposed to be love; they thought they were going to die and wanted to make something of the time they had left, that's all.

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:14 PM
Well as predicted, the ship saves the day again.
Deus Ex Machina all the way.
YET what an awesome way to Machina.

Squires
October 23rd, 2009, 07:16 PM
Finally, a good episode! The beginning was slow, a soap opera in space. I really hate that. I liked the bit of suspense was created waiting for them to hit the star. Then finally a bit of excitement with the slingshot maneuver. Then the ending with Rush, wow is all I can say. I never trusted him. Hopefully things will continue to move along.

Being stuck on a ship with a mind of it's own still bothers me.

s09119
October 23rd, 2009, 07:17 PM
Well as predicted, the ship saves the day again.
Deus Ex Machina all the way.
YET what an awesome way to Machina.

It's not a deus ex machina. The ship didn't appear out of the blue, after all, it was just a trait of it that we didn't know before.

Xicer
October 23rd, 2009, 07:17 PM
Worst episode yet. It was predictable on nearly every level and there was virtually no suspense. I saw the whole "ship using the star as a pitstop" thing a mile away, it was taken straight from Rendezvous with Rama.

When Scott and the others in the shuttle were in trouble I was holding out hope that maybe they could change things up a bit and leave them stranded or something interesting. But no, they used the classic "slingshot around the planet" technique and bingo! problem solved. There were only two things I liked about this episode: the beautiful CGI and the thing with Rush at the end. Otherwise I was strongly disappointed.

I'm really trying to like this show, but we're already a quarter of the way through the season and I'm not attached to a single character and the show hasn't built up any sort of interesting or complex mythology yet. Let's hope they put more effort into the next episode.

Briangate78
October 23rd, 2009, 07:20 PM
i don't think he KNEW, but he had to have suspected, he gambled and won

I don't think so either, or least he had an idea but did not want to take a gamble. I think he stayed on the ship thinking there was a better chance on the ship than in the shuttle. Plus, he was staying for his own reasons not because of guilt or it being the best situation. Rush so reminds me of a character from the movie "Event Horizon" played by Sam Neill. But I think it will be much deeper than that and he will not go on a killing spree like Sam Neill's character did. lol.

Anyway this was the best episode of the series so far. The show just keeps getting better. I'll post a detailed review in a bit.

*Waiting for Jelgate's Two cents post* :p

Mardius
October 23rd, 2009, 07:20 PM
Young, Greer and Rush continue to be my favorite characters by leaps and bounds. Dont get me wrong the rest of the cast works fine, but those three just make the show imo.

and on a completely unrelated note (and something thats been bugging me)

i still dont understand how people can truly say that any of the "sexing up" is out of character for anyone. from what we have seen this is a show that's far more adult and well...real, for lack of a better word. Scott or James or Chloe for that matter having sex doesnt make them "sex addicts" or "horny adolescents" it makes them human on show that seems to be focusing on humanity. if you dont like it to watch it, but dont go so far as to say its poor or lazy writing. so far SGU has been, with the exception of a few minor missteps, excellently written and executed

AVFan
October 23rd, 2009, 07:22 PM
Oh, and also- FANTASTIC SFX. The star, the Destiny, the shuttle.. Just great.

Cecil Brax
October 23rd, 2009, 07:22 PM
Scott/Chloe wasn't supposed to be love; they thought they were going to die and wanted to make something of the time they had left, that's all.

I didn't say anything about love actually. I have before had a romantic connection with someone after only a few days. Three to be exact. I know it can happen, and I believe in it. I have friends that got married after a weekend together and are still to this day happily married.

With those two, I just don't really feel any chemistry. Maybe it will come, I don't know. It just doesn't feel like there is anything real there. Maybe its just the actress. I didn't feel anything from her interactions with other people either.

A lot of the people I know at work that watch the show have felt that way in other episodes with her as well. I mean, there are other shows out there that I don't "believe' the performance of the characters ... but its never happened in Stargate till now. Maybe she'll get better ... I certainly am hoping so. Right now, she just feels so fake and as much as I like Scott so far, every time they have scenes together it feels like she is dragging him down.

- CB

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 07:23 PM
I don't think so either, or least he had an idea but did not want to take a gamble. I think he stayed on the ship thinking there was a better chance on the ship than in the shuttle. Plus, he was staying for his own reasons not because of guilt or it being the best situation. Rush so reminds me of a character from the movie "Event Horizon" played by Sam Neill. But I think it will be much deeper than that and he will not go on a killing spree like Sam Neill's character did. lol.

Anyway this was the best episode of the series so far. The show just keeps getting better. I'll post a detailed review in a bit.

*Waiting for Jelgate's Two cents post* :p

I'm on paragraph 3:P

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:23 PM
It's not a deus ex machina. The ship didn't appear out of the blue, after all, it was just a trait of it that we didn't know before.

It doesn't matter, sir, it's still mucho machina.
The ship saves the day again...the plot device appears out of the blue to save the day.

Col. Shadow Quinn
October 23rd, 2009, 07:23 PM
Oh, and also- FANTASTIC SFX. The star, the Destiny, the shuttle.. Just great.

Don't you mean VFX (Visual Effects)?

joeynox
October 23rd, 2009, 07:28 PM
everything about this episode was perfect.i love a rechargeable ship.It actually makes alot of sense to do that

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:29 PM
Just not alot of sense WHEN to recharge.

Squires
October 23rd, 2009, 07:31 PM
Forgot to add, I also loved the music in this episode.

Gatebsg
October 23rd, 2009, 07:31 PM
I like Greer wanting to go out in blaze of glory. On the sun thing the surface of the sun would not be hotter than most plasma weapons so it should be possible in the world sci fi if the shields can hold.

Jeff-B
October 23rd, 2009, 07:32 PM
Did I miss something previously, or did we just find out who the gay character is? It might be just me, because I try to avoid spoilers until I see the episode.

AVFan
October 23rd, 2009, 07:32 PM
Don't you mean VFX (Visual Effects)?

Haha, yeah. I'm smart, I really am. :p

Skydiver
October 23rd, 2009, 07:32 PM
folks, don't feed the trolls

If people hated the show, they're entitled to express that opinion.

That said, you are not obligated to respond. Don't respond, don't engage and they soon won't have a reason to come in unless they want to participate and not just say 'it sucks'

Mardius
October 23rd, 2009, 07:36 PM
Did I miss something previously, or did we just find out who the gay character is? It might be just me, because I try to avoid spoilers until I see the episode.

hasnt exactly been a secret, but yes this is the first time its been brought up on screen

Replicator Todd
October 23rd, 2009, 07:36 PM
I also really enjoyed the music that played when the ship was inside the sun.

s09119
October 23rd, 2009, 07:37 PM
I also really enjoyed the music that played when the ship was inside the sun.

I really enjoyed the music period, but I thought the stuff right at the end was amazing.

Saquist
October 23rd, 2009, 07:38 PM
Forgot to add, I also loved the music in this episode.

Music was excellent except for the cheesey badly timed piano in Young scenes. But the score was superb.

Descended
October 23rd, 2009, 07:44 PM
Did I miss something previously, or did we just find out who the gay character is? It might be just me, because I try to avoid spoilers until I see the episode.

I know Camille is gay, but hopefully she isn't too grossed out by heterosexual sex. Because if their little colony was going to have any chance, every reproductively capable female would need to be involved.


I like Greer wanting to go out in blaze of glory. On the sun thing the surface of the sun would not be hotter than most plasma weapons so it should be possible in the world sci fi if the shields can hold.

Actually, the corona (area surrounding the star... its atmosphere) is MUCH hotter than the surface of the sun. The surface is only about 10,000C. While the corona is many millions of degrees, just one of those interesting things about stars. Rush should have known that the shield was on well before they approached the star, because they didn't all immediately die of gamma poisoning. (which would have made them violently ill for the first few minutes following exposure)

I thought, when he told them to turn around and go back to the planet, that he was going to have them land on the planet and use the Stargate that the seeder ship would have left there to gate back to Destiny. Since the ship obviously knew that the system had habitable planets (because the seeder ship had scouted it) and the seeder would have deposited a gate on a world capable of supporting life.

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 07:46 PM
everything about this episode was perfect.i love a rechargeable ship.It actually makes alot of sense to do that

It's so strange, as I finally almost felt this way about an SGU episode. While I have liked SGU up to this point, "Light" has stood out to me in a way that the others haven't.

I only have one gripe with it, but I'm not going to go into that at the moment :P

s09119
October 23rd, 2009, 07:47 PM
I thought, when he told them to turn around and go back to the planet, that he was going to have them land on the planet and use the Stargate that the seeder ship would have left there to gate back to Destiny. Since the ship obviously knew that the system had habitable planets (because the seeder ship had scouted it) and the seeder would have deposited a gate on a world capable of supporting life.

Wouldn't work, since stargates can't dial other gates in the same star system.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 07:47 PM
It's so strange, as I finally almost felt this way about an SGU episode. While I have liked SGU up to this point, "Light" has stood out to me in a way that the others haven't.

I only have one gripe with it, but I'm not going to go into that at the moment :P

Many of us have gripes about the Chloe/Scott scene:P

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 07:51 PM
Many of us have gripes about the Chloe/Scott scene:P

I was so frustrated, as I felt the rest of the episode was pretty spectacular. I like both characters and I even support a relationship between the two. Just not yet....it was handled all wrong, imho :(

the fifth man
October 23rd, 2009, 07:51 PM
Really a great episode. I was sad when I saw "Light" was coming to an end. I am feeling pretty good right now about Universe, I really am. TPTB are doing a fine job thus far.

Briangate78
October 23rd, 2009, 07:52 PM
Many of us have gripes about the Chloe/Scott scene:P

The scene was meh. I actually liked Eli's reaction more. It was done very well. But this is not BSG where we are going to see these long scenes and all the time. Notice this ep was a little more plot focus. Still they got their character focuses in here and there.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 07:54 PM
The scene was meh. I actually liked Eli's reaction more. It was done very well. But this is not BSG where we are going to see these long scenes and all the time. Notice this ep was a little more plot focus. Still they got their character focuses in here and there.

I explain this a little bit more in my review but my compliant was the suddeness of it (Hello near death) but the transition

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 07:56 PM
I explain this a little bit more in my review but my compliant was the suddeness of it (Hello near death) but the transition

I agree. It's not the sex that bothered me at all at this point. It was the way they acted afterwards that was hard for me to take. I mean, they've only known eachother a few days (if that?). I would have loved it if TPTB would have written it for the characters to feel and act awkward afterwards.

I dunno, I have really mixed feelings. Furthermore, it's hard for me to completely condemn TPTB, as maybe they totally throw us a curveball somewhere down the line.

[EDIT] However, I like that TPTB appeared to try to address the fact that they barely know eachother. It would have been completely over the top had one of them used the L word.

SurfingEagle
October 23rd, 2009, 07:58 PM
This was an awesome episode. To put it simply, I loved it. This show has really taken me by surprise. I loved all the visuals using the star, its light and corona. The music was great and fit right in with the scenes.

One of the characters that really shined to me personally was Colonel Young. The way he sacrificed himself without even batting an eye and the way he carried himself through the whole situation was excellent. I was really impressed all around.

This is the way you do science fiction. Take notice other T.V. shows.

Briangate78
October 23rd, 2009, 07:58 PM
I explain this a little bit more in my review but my compliant was the suddeness of it (Hello near death) but the transition

I think Eli's reaction was how a lot of viewers felt. Like so sudden? Where did this come from? It was just innappropriate I guess to some folks. I thought it was a little too soon for them to hook up, so you can imagine how Eli feels. He did not even have a chance, or it's like "What's all that one in a million talk". lol.

joeynox
October 23rd, 2009, 07:59 PM
ithe show is getting better and better. I cant wait to see how they handle "aliens"

joeynox
October 23rd, 2009, 08:00 PM
also how far do u think the ancient stones can go?

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 08:03 PM
I think Eli's reaction was how a lot of viewers felt. Like so sudden? Where did this come from? It was just innappropriate I guess to some folks. I thought it was a little too soon for them to hook up, so you can imagine how Eli feels. He did not even have a chance, or it's like "What's all that one in a million talk". lol.

You know what? You make a very interesting point. If someone raises the ramification and apprioateness of being so sudden I may reconsider my stance. Now stop distracting me from my review

the fifth man
October 23rd, 2009, 08:05 PM
ithe show is getting better and better. I cant wait to see how they handle "aliens"

That should definitely be something to see. I can't wait either.:)

Myles
October 23rd, 2009, 08:05 PM
I think Eli's reaction was how a lot of viewers felt. Like so sudden? Where did this come from? It was just innappropriate I guess to some folks. I thought it was a little too soon for them to hook up, so you can imagine how Eli feels. He did not even have a chance, or it's like "What's all that one in a million talk". lol.

Yea, we've only got glimpses of the Scott/Chloe relationship so it was kind of sudden. But at the same time they thought they were gonna die, and Eli's chances in that situation are nil.

Overall though, I loved the episode. Some people are saying they saw the sun recharge the whole time, but I only realized it when they were skimming the surface of the sun a minute or so before it was announced.

I did think the whole shuttle gravity slingshot was a little contrived. You're telling me the computer could have come up with that solution?

But ending with the Rush question was great. I didn't think about it when it initially happened, but looking back it seems entirely plausible he had reasons to suspect the sun would recharge the ship and not destroy. I doubt he was certain, but I think he definitely had an idea.

I'd say 9/10

MediaSavant
October 23rd, 2009, 08:07 PM
That was a really good episode. Probably the best so far.

Even though we all knew as viewers that they would survive, they did a good job of conveying that the people involved did not know. That's the most important thing.

Jamil Walker is really great as Greer. I have to say that among a lot of good actors on this show, he is probably the "discovery". His Keno was really good.

I was really pleased that both Rush and Eli got to demonstrate their smarts and ability to find solutions on the fly.

Even if most of suspected the Destiny would use the sun for power, the writers were clever in introducing the danger to the shuttle.

I never felt tension like this in any episode of the previous series.

I'm glad we got to see more of Ming Na's character.

Briangate78
October 23rd, 2009, 08:09 PM
You know what? You make a very interesting point. If someone raises the ramification and apprioateness of being so sudden I may reconsider my stance. Now stop distracting me from my review

LOL, well stop reading my posts and finish your review. :p


Yea, we've only got glimpses of the Scott/Chloe relationship so it was kind of sudden. But at the same time they thought they were gonna die, and Eli's chances in that situation are nil.

Overall though, I loved the episode. Some people are saying they saw the sun recharge the whole time, but I only realized it when they were skimming the surface of the sun a minute or so before it was announced.

I did think the whole shuttle gravity slingshot was a little contrived. You're telling me the computer could have come up with that solution?

But ending with the Rush question was great. I didn't think about it when it initially happened, but looking back it seems entirely plausible he had reasons to suspect the sun would recharge the ship and not destroy. I doubt he was certain, but I think he definitely had an idea.

I'd say 9/10

I knew the ship was going to be recharged by the Sun. I honestly thought the shuttle was going to be left behind.

The ending with Rush was just wow, because it really gave the viewer something to think about. That of course was if he knew or not. As I said before, I think he had an idea but took the gamble to stay on the ship. Rush pretty much made it clear to Young what his intentions have been along. His Destiny is the Destiny.

jsonitsac
October 23rd, 2009, 08:11 PM
Although it was a predictable story, I really liked how the writers of this episode managed to build the drama. They could have focused focused more on Young's decision and the ethics of it (and had it been Star Trek they probably would have). Also I thought that they left the whole Eli Chloe Matt thing up in the air. That will have to be resolved, but I don't know how soon the writers are going to be wiling to tackle it. If they don't it will just be an annoying repeated theme.

Briangate78
October 23rd, 2009, 08:13 PM
That was a really good episode. Probably the best so far.

Even though we all knew as viewers that they would survive, they did a good job of conveying that the people involved did not know. That's the most important thing.

Jamil Walker is really great as Greer. I have to say that among a lot of good actors on this show, he is probably the "discovery". His Keno was really good.

I was really pleased that both Rush and Eli got to demonstrate their smarts and ability to find solutions on the fly.

Even if most of suspected the Destiny would use the sun for power, the writers were clever in introducing the danger to the shuttle.

I never felt tension like this in any episode of the previous series.

I'm glad we got to see more of Ming Na's character.

Although the episode did have that happy Stargate-esc ending with them all sitting at the table. :p

Greer, actually has been growing on me, but right now I think Young has become one of my favorite characters next to Rush of course. Rush is just filled with emotions and you don't know what to expect from the man, I love it.

Lord Kira
October 23rd, 2009, 08:20 PM
Instead of seeing Lt. Scott cheat on his girlfriend with a girl he just met or watch Wray cry for 5 minutes, I think the episode should have used Young, Rush, and Greer more.

At least those characters are actually interesting.

MediaSavant
October 23rd, 2009, 08:22 PM
Although the episode did have that happy Stargate-esc ending with them all sitting at the table. :p

Greer, actually has been growing on me, but right now I think Young has become one of my favorite characters next to Rush of course. Rush is just filled with emotions and you don't know what to expect from the man, I love it.

Young is good. He was the one who stood out for me last week. He was good here too, but Greer just made me stand up and pay attention.

Young is different from other military commanders we've seen. He actually had something to lose by what has happened. O'Neill didn't really have that. Shepperd certainly wasn't a guy who had anything to lose. I didn't even know he was divorced until well into Atlantis.

Myles
October 23rd, 2009, 08:23 PM
Instead of seeing Lt. Scott cheat on his girlfriend with a girl he just met or watch Wray cry for 5 minutes, I think the episode should have used Young, Rush, and Greer more.

At least those characters are actually interesting.

Wow, completely disagree. I though the mix of character moments was very good and didn't favor anyone too heavily. Greer, Young, and Rush all had great moments imo.

Shan Bruce Lee
October 23rd, 2009, 08:26 PM
My favorite part of the episode was Greer knocking the other soldier out. :) I liked his kino scene at the beginning too.

I think Rush knew. I think that was the real point of the episode. We pretty much knew the ship was gonna use the sun to recharge, so the real shock was the revelation/realization that Rush more than likely knew the ship was gonna recharge.


With Scott and Chloe hooking up. Lt. James is left for dust. Eli liked Chloe but now has mixed emotions. Chloe is using him. I saw the look Eli and Lt. James gave each other at the beginning of the episode. I should say that's a prediction.


Poor Eli- Chloe's playing him. I'm not going to yell slut, but...

She's not playing him. If anything, he mistakenly thought he had a shot where no one else did.


It is amazing how here this episode is locking people in SGU, while at SyFy the moan and complain about how they are true SciFi fans and SGU is crap. Those same people said Light was the last straw.

If you can watch the scene with the Destiny around and in the sun and not be moved in some way, you are not a Science Fiction fan, period.

It's a waste of time to worry about people with nothing better to do than watch and then bash a show they supposedly hate.


i can't believe people like this show... it completely throws everything sci fi out the window... it's like Days Of our lives on a fricken space ship, and the ship flys in and out of stars without sustaining damage. you guys are pretty easy to please apparently

Good luck in your future endeavors... mostly.

The_Asgard_live
October 23rd, 2009, 08:28 PM
folks, don't feed the trolls

If people hated the show, they're entitled to express that opinion.

That said, you are not obligated to respond. Don't respond, don't engage and they soon won't have a reason to come in unless they want to participate and not just say 'it sucks'

To dislike the show is to troll, which means that to "participate" by implication means to express much love only.

Geez, really? Thats how it is?

I don't care if anyone responds. The franchise had me for 15 years, I've paid my dues. More of the same this episode, conduct unbecoming from our military and more sex. (Gotta find me a senators daughter, they give it up quick). Its only been about 3 frackin days.

Not much to get worked up about. Its predictable. And the dialog is silly at times. Who really thought anyone was going to die or get left behind? Who didn't know Scott and Chloe were going to hook up and hurt Eli? Who thought the ship was going to burn up rather than recharge? Who thought the shuttle wouldn't make it back?

Robert Carlyle does a fine job. I thought all the hoopla surrounding his inclusion in the show was hype prior to the show starting. It wasn't hype he's the real deal. He deserves better writing.

lordofseas
October 23rd, 2009, 08:29 PM
I thought that Rush saying that the Destiny was powered by Stars was a tad melodramatic.

Replicator Todd
October 23rd, 2009, 08:29 PM
I think the reason I liked this episode so much as it was much more plot driven and not as slow as the last few episodes. And normally I complain when the Stargate isnt used, I was fine with it. The next episode Water looks great!

Cecil Brax
October 23rd, 2009, 08:31 PM
Wow, completely disagree. I though the mix of character moments was very good and didn't favor anyone too heavily. Greer, Young, and Rush all had great moments imo.

Yep,

I have to agree here. There was alot of development all around. Not all of it was 'good' for the characters either. We got to see some of the people's true characters.

Young is a good leader, even when faced with death and seems to have a good connection with his men.

Greer is tough as nails but has alot of depth, and even when he wasn't chosen to go on the shuttle he still did his job and protected the launch.

Eli is WAY too nice a guy, but he also has confidence in his abilities and has alot of forgiveness. He thinks about what is best for the group and tries to make the most out of any situation.

I think they got the MOST attention this episode, which is good because I liked where things went for them.

There are other characters too, I just wanted to focus on those three.

- CB

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 08:31 PM
I think the reason I liked this episode so much as it was much more plot driven and not as slow as the last few episodes. And normally I complain when the Stargate isnt used, I was fine with it. The next episode Water looks great!

Yeah, that's pretty interesting as "Darkness" and "Light" were originally written as one episode called "Fire". It's similar to "Air", in that I feel like (as a whole) it was very good, though I liked "Light" a lot more.

Alteran of Atlantis
October 23rd, 2009, 08:36 PM
In my opinion, the episodes just keep getting better and better. I loved "Light", and seeing the crew getting along was a nice touch to it. I totally saw the part where the ship gathered energy from the star coming, but everything leading up to it really built up the story. I liked all the character interactions, especially that little exchange between Young and Camille, the IOA representitive. I didn't like her at first, but she was okay in that episode.

All in all, great ep, and can't wait for the next!

siXbrownSnakes2
October 23rd, 2009, 08:38 PM
A bit predictable and Chloe/Scott was meh, but the great part about this episode was the ending.

I don't think Rush knew for sure, but I do think he had an itch or some inner thought that this was possible. I don't think he's a bad person and he wants people to survive--hes shown that in the past few episodes. I think he truly thought Destiny was completely out of power (giving him a reason to trigger his prior frustration), but he held out hope for what ended up happening.

I think Rush was just being real at the end. He couldn't have known for sure what was going to happen if he was truly locked out of all the main systems, and if he wasn't locked out, he would have known where the power was going and wouldn't have been so frustrated in Darkness.

I like the way it was handled. Instead of everyone being a happy, trustworthy family with Rush, he remains a mystery in a lot of ways and I like that.

I liked this episode a lot because I like how it is making everyone think. While we could have predicted the ship recharging in the star, the characters couldn't have and that was portrayed very successfully. Despite the fact that I knew what was going to happen, it still did have somewhat of an emotional impact. Will be watching next week. :)

Orion Antreas
October 23rd, 2009, 08:39 PM
Excellent episode. Best so far. I could easily give it 9.5/10.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 08:39 PM
To dislike the show is to troll, which means that to "participate" by implication means to express much love only.

Geez, really? Thats how it is?

I don't care if anyone responds. The franchise had me for 15 years, I've paid my dues. More of the same this episode, conduct unbecoming from our military and more sex. (Gotta find me a senators daughter, they give it up quick). Its only been about 3 frackin days.

Not much to get worked up about. Its predictable. And the dialog is silly at times. Who really thought anyone was going to die or get left behind? Who didn't know Scott and Chloe were going to hook up and hurt Eli? Who thought the ship was going to burn up rather than recharge? Who thought the shuttle wouldn't make it back?

Robert Carlyle does a fine job. I thought all the hoopla surrounding his inclusion in the show was hype prior to the show starting. It wasn't hype he's the real deal. He deserves better writing.

A troll is someone who comes just to get a rise out of people. Just to create hositility. The person in question Sky mentioned made a soap opera refernece to SGU then insulted the inteligence of everyone who liked the show. Its one thing to dislike the show with construtive critcism (like you) and its another to bash like "this suck" and move one

Cecil Brax
October 23rd, 2009, 08:42 PM
I don't care if anyone responds. The franchise had me for 15 years, I've paid my dues. More of the same this episode, conduct unbecoming from our military and more sex. (Gotta find me a senators daughter, they give it up quick). Its only been about 3 frackin days.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of couples who got together after just meeting and have healthy relationships. My wife and I were married after 4 months, and we knew we wanted to be together after 2 weeks. Almost four years going strong.

I've known other people to get together after days, and still stay together. Now, I wasn't a fan of the Chloe and Scott romance in this episode. Not at all! Infact I thought it felt very fake, but I don't think we should just discredit it on the shortness of time when infact that happens in real life all the time. It doesn't always last, but it does happen all the time.

As for the troll thing, I think the Moderator was refering to the person who was being insulting towards other posters and towards people who enjoyed the show. I don't think people who didn't like the episode are Trolls, not unless they start insulting people who did. And Vice Versa. Someone who liked the episode could be a troll to, if they were being insulting towards people who didn't like it.

Just some thoughts.

- CB

ykickamoocow
October 23rd, 2009, 08:46 PM
Does anyone else think that for a religious man Scott jumps into bed with women way too quickly. I guess he doesn't believe in no sex before marriage (not that i have a problem with sex before marriage but then i'm a athiest).

s09119
October 23rd, 2009, 08:48 PM
Does anyone else think that for a religious man Scott jumps into bed with women way too quickly. I guess he doesn't believe in no sex before marriage (not that i have a problem with sex before marriage but then i'm a athiest).

This is ridiculous. Christians have sex before marriage all the time. This is nothing new or offensive.

Pharaoh Atem
October 23rd, 2009, 08:49 PM
shouldn't being so close to a sun burn your eyes??

and for the record i absolutely love this show :D

s09119
October 23rd, 2009, 08:49 PM
shouldn't being so close to a sun burn your eyes??

and for the record i absolutely love this show :D

My guess; tinting on all the windows.

ykickamoocow
October 23rd, 2009, 08:52 PM
This is ridiculous. Christians have sex before marriage all the time. This is nothing new or offensive.

Its a bit hypercritical though. How can you been religious but completely ignore a vitial component of Christianity on a regular basis.

Pharaoh Atem
October 23rd, 2009, 08:53 PM
Its a bit hypercritical though. How can you been religious but completely ignore a vitial component of Christianity on a regular basis.

desire and making up your own mind. a book can't and shouldn't control ones life.

Shan Bruce Lee
October 23rd, 2009, 08:53 PM
Actually, the corona (area surrounding the star... its atmosphere) is MUCH hotter than the surface of the sun. The surface is only about 10,000C. While the corona is many millions of degrees, just one of those interesting things about stars. Rush should have known that the shield was on well before they approached the star, because they didn't all immediately die of gamma poisoning. (which would have made them violently ill for the first few minutes following exposure)

It was a red giant.

Alteran of Atlantis
October 23rd, 2009, 08:55 PM
It was a red giant.

It wasn't a red giant, it was a red dwarf. Big difference. :p

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 08:55 PM
It was a red giant.

I thought it was a red dwarf?

suse
October 23rd, 2009, 08:56 PM
Oy. That was almost as slow as 2001:A Space Odyssey.

For someone who supposedly reveres God, Scott sure gets around. 2 gals in less than a week. Or is it 3 days?

SBN
October 23rd, 2009, 08:57 PM
I don't think Rush knew, he may have had suspicions, but did not know. I think his reaction at the end was more being insulted by the insinuation.

Overall I just did not find this episode all that strong. Probably because of the way it was set up. Problem for me was I knew almost exactly how everything would play out. So what was left for me was very few scenes of real interest. I thought the Greer/Young conversation in the hallway was good.

One thing that really did bug me a lot was how the Eli/Chloe/Scott menage a trois played out. It just seemed rushed and very poorly implemented. I really think they went way way too fast writing in Chloe to have an interested in somebody. Sorry, this was just dumb for them to do.

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 08:58 PM
Oy. That was almost as slow as 2001:A Space Odyssey.

For someone who supposedly reveres God, Scott sure gets around. 2 gals in less than a week. Or is it 3 days?

But not all believers in God believe that sex is a sin, and certainly a great many Christians don't believe (or at least don't follow) that.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 08:59 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents

The more things change the more they stay the same. That is a line from one of my favorite non-Stargate shows. No one in their right mind would say that Stargate Universe isn't different from its predescors. Because almost everything is different from the music to the CGI to the characters themselves. But after a certain scene (will get to that later) I more certain to ever their are just some things the writers are incapable of. But besides this minor grievance I am relatively pleased. Why am I pleased you ask? Well letís find out.

Where is my stamp? Ah here it is. (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/approval.jpg/) This is for you Col. Young. At the opening scene you proved that you are awesome. The way you were cool to everyone's yelling about who would be picked. You calmly told everyone just how things were going to be done no matter who many people disliked it. You show a clear headed mind and why you made it to the rank of colonel. Not to mention your argument with Wray. I thought that scene was also done beautifully. I don't even know who I agree with. They both have very very good arguments. Wray makes a good point about society needs certain people to sustain themselves but their is certain logic in Young and his idea that would lead to favoritism. Truly don't know who to pick

And now for what everyone has been waiting for. Probably the worst thing for the episode (and potentially the series). I know the shippers out there will disagree with me but that sex scene made no sense. Yes I can agree and support the motivation behind them. They both think they will die so they decide to make their last hours worth it. But the buildup and transition was just plain terrible. We go from Young addressing the crew right to Scott and Chloe leaving to them having sex. No transition at all to even hint on it all. And the buildup before this shows nothing of romantic feelings for one another. Friendship I give you but nothing of romance. Maybe I am being too picky but I wanted a little more of showing why Chloe and Scott decided to have sex. I'm not asking for a whole minute of explanation just a few lines. Something that shows how they feel about one another and maybe more then jumping from a sad Eli to Scott and Chloe removing their clothes. I thought we left this sloppy writing behind in Atlantis.

Well now that we have the main negative out of the way letís talk about everything else that actually worked. Starting with Eli and his kino scene. Last week if you asked me I would say Chloe and Eli was purely platonic. But this week its obviously different. Look how calmly Eli plays the jealous angle. Itís obvious to you and me that he is jealous but itís played so subtlety that I loved it. And I loved we actually got a connection between the story and the kino scene. Reaffirms that even though he may be lazy he probably has more heart then anyone on the Destiny.

Make an unlikable character likeable? I loved that line when Rush was first introduced and I love it now. Some times you get the impression that Rush is a terrible person and that he and Young hate each other and then you get a scene like this. It actually looked like Rush showed remorse. It looked liked he felt sorry for the events that occurred. They way he tells Young not that he doesn't belong in the lottery and the way that the Destiny was his Destiny. Of course he didn't flat out and say it but it was heavily implied. Reaffirms my belief that Rush will be an interesting and 3D character. Don't tell Lahela I said that. I will say this though it was kind of predictable that Scott and TJ were picked. The only one who can fly the thing and the only one with medical training. Seems quite obvious they were going.

Moving on the lottery itself. The music played itself so nicely. It gave a somber and sad feeling as the names were picked. Not to mention Ming Na really got to show why she is a fantastic actor. I really felt for her when she started to cry. Very inspiring, emotional, and something not all actors can accomplish. Speaking of the shuttle I'm no CGI expert but the shuttle taking off from the Destiny looked pretty awesome not to mention old. Itís a wonder it actually flew. Once going back to the Stargate room for selecting people I have to highlight Greer. I laughed harder then I should have when he punched that guy in the face. This also reaffirms what we know. That he may be an angry and violent person but he has good intentions

Their is nothing like waiting for the end. That is what these next few scenes felt like. Nothing really happened but those left behind coping with their end. And I personally like how each coped in the manner that fit their personality. Chloe need to cope with someone while Rush wanted to be on his own. Speaking of Rush I liked how he used real science (over Stargate science) to explain how the sun would collapse the Destiny. I'll be consulting with the Physics department (aka PG15) for its validity. One other coping that needs to be mentioned is Greer and Young.

Predictable and not predictable. That is how I would describe the climax of this episode but I loved it none the less. For the past week many of us in fandom predicted that the Destiny was going to collect solar energy from the sun and we right. It was just so obvious based on where the ship dropped out of FTL and the course of said. And before I move on let me say the special effects for the collecting of solar energy were awesome. Now to the unpredictable stuff let me say that I didn't see the shuttle being unable to get to Destiny coming. It was an unexpected enjoyable twist even if the slingshot maneuver is an old concept in science fiction. I especially loved Eli and Rush (Go Math Boy:P) working together to solve a problem. It really shows what his place on the Destiny. Moving back on to the CGI, watching Scott crash/land the ship was well done not mention believable given the two speed.

Finally the last scene shows how Universe is Stargate and yet not Stargate. The scene of everyone in the mess hall clearly illustrates a classic Stargate atmosphere however the little hostility between Rush and Young didn't feel like Stargate. It reillustrates we just never know what Rush is up too. Do you smell that? Its tension and I love it. Just like I loved Light.

SBN
October 23rd, 2009, 08:59 PM
Its a bit hypercritical though. How can you been religious but completely ignore a vitial component of Christianity on a regular basis.

Hate to break the news to you, but quite a lot of people on this planet do it on a daily basis. Funny, every single girl I ever met was for the most part religious, and they did not ask to stop by a chapel on our way to the bedroom if you catch my drift.

ykickamoocow
October 23rd, 2009, 08:59 PM
But not all believers in God believe that sex is a sin, and certainly a great many Christians don't believe (or at least don't follow) that.

and yet they probably still believe that homosexuals are going to hell.

The_Asgard_live
October 23rd, 2009, 09:00 PM
I'm surprised you haven't heard of couples who got together after just meeting and have healthy relationships. My wife and I were married after 4 months, and we knew we wanted to be together after 2 weeks. Almost four years going strong.

I appreciate your response (and jelgate) Congratulations on your successful relationship, sincerely.

Of course people hook up quickly, matter of hours if a bar and alcohol is involved.


Not at all! Infact I thought it felt very fake, but I don't think we should just discredit it on the shortness of time when infact that happens in real life all the time. It doesn't always last, but it does happen all the time.

The shortness of time bothers me greatly. The show is slow to me, so it seems longer to me, but to them, its what? 3 days? In 3 days we have a mutiny in the works, several breakdowns in the chain of command and a guy switching sex partners? She got over her dad real quick no? They aren't wowing me with realism, they are boring me with contrivance.


As for the troll thing, I think the Moderator was refering to the person who was being insulting towards other posters and towards people who enjoyed the show. I don't think people who didn't like the episode are Trolls, not unless they start insulting people who did. And Vice Versa. Someone who liked the episode could be a troll to, if they were being insulting towards people who didn't like it.

I guess that really wasn't evident in what I replied to. I've seen some trolling on the 'love the show' side.

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 09:02 PM
and yet they probably still believe that homosexuals are going to hell.

Some might, sure. But for example, I know plenty of Christians (a lot of my closer friends included) who do not believe such things.

I think it really depends both on the sect, as well as that person's individual interpretation and such.

Briangate78
October 23rd, 2009, 09:07 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents


Finally the last scene shows how Universe is Stargate and yet not Stargate. The scene of everyone in the mess hall clearly illustrates a classic Stargate atmosphere however the little hostility between Rush and Young didn't feel like Stargate. It reillustrates we just never know what Rush is up too. Do you smell that? Its tension and I love it. Just like I loved Light.

Agree about almost everything you said, except SGA did not have sloppy writing it was different. Most of the time it was good. But most of the time it was about the plot and not characters. So it was different to me.

Also, the last scene was truly a Stargate ending. Both previous Stargates have ended on that dark note, Remember Miller's Crossing? Sheppard questioning if he made the right decision and Mckay thanking him for such a decision. So yeah a Stargate ending which I loved BTW.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 09:07 PM
Some might, sure. But for example, I know plenty of Christians (a lot of my closer friends included) who do not believe such things.
.
*raises hand*

ZoSo
October 23rd, 2009, 09:07 PM
Well, all I can say is I'm glad that something actually happened. Good episode imo, and from the previews it seems that somethings going to happen in the next episode so I'm still hooked, for now. It looks like the pace is picking up since they don't need to just worry about pure survival anymore, and that makes me happy. As a pure sci-fi buff, I can handle the character focus as long as something actually happens in each episode.

suse
October 23rd, 2009, 09:08 PM
But not all believers in God believe that sex is a sin, and certainly a great many Christians don't believe (or at least don't follow) that.


I never said sex was a sin. It isn't. And considering he knocked up a girl as a teen or so and felt much guilt..., especially when he was going to join the priesthood. I just wish someone on tv would take their relationship with God seriously. Though I should know better than to expect that from these particular PTB.

Never mind, I'm not going to debate morality. This isn't the right place and frankly I don't care about the show enough to get up in arms and debate.

suse

Shan Bruce Lee
October 23rd, 2009, 09:09 PM
It wasn't a red giant, it was a red dwarf. Big difference. :p


I thought it was a red dwarf?

Was it a red dwarf? Well either way the temperature is lower.


To dislike the show is to troll, which means that to "participate" by implication means to express much love only.

Geez, really? Thats how it is?

I wish! But that's not what she was talking about.


shouldn't being so close to a sun burn your eyes??

and for the record i absolutely love this show :D

I'm sure there was some kind of shielding.

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 09:09 PM
Well, all I can say is I'm glad that something actually happened. Good episode imo, and from the previews it seems that somethings going to happen in the next episode so I'm still hooked, for now. It looks like the pace is picking up since they don't need to just worry about pure survival anymore, and that makes me happy. As a pure sci-fi buff, I can handle the character focus as long as something actually happens in each episode.

Very good point, and I agree. Now that primary survival issues are out of the way, I think Robert Cooper's comments about SGU's fast-paced first half will hold true. :D

AVFan
October 23rd, 2009, 09:10 PM
desire and making up your own mind. a book can't and shouldn't control ones life.

While I know where you're coming from, I don't think it's the best idea for someone to answer a particular question about something like a faith when they're not of that faith. Just fyi, (I'm not trying to start an argument) your comment came off as an attack IMO.

That said, as a Christian myself, people (obviously including myself) make mistakes all the time. Of course, that doesn't make what people do right. Maybe Scott is a sex addict, maybe he's just someone who has a hard time following the faith. It's very 'real world'. Nobody's perfect, and many people aren't even close to perfect.

Landers
October 23rd, 2009, 09:12 PM
I love Rush and Greer. Young is okay. Eli is better. The rest nauseate me, especially Scott and his tendency to get into every girl's pants (is THAT what he is praying for?). and Chloe just playing Eli, Scott, other men I'm sure. "OMG, we are going to DIE so let's have SEX!" Gag.

Hatusu
October 23rd, 2009, 09:15 PM
Where was the suspense? I predicted that Destiny was heading toward the star to replenish energy at the end of last week's episode. I spent this whole episode wondering why everybody wasn't thinking that, too. The lack of suspense made the episode with all the stress pointless to me.

I really dislike writing that is not as intelligent as its audience. Stargate never suffered from that problem before.

On the positive side, the CGI of the sun and Destiny and the internal lighting of Destiny as it neared the sun were both intense and gorgeous. It felt very real.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 09:16 PM
Agree about almost everything you said, except SGA did not have sloppy writing it was different. Most of the time it was good. But most of the time it was about the plot and not characters. So it was different to me.

Also, the last scene was truly a Stargate ending. Both previous Stargates have ended on that dark note, Remember Miller's Crossing? Sheppard questioning if he made the right decision and Mckay thanking him for such a decision. So yeah a Stargate ending which I loved BTW.

The term sloppy meant was how misdeveloped SGA characters were in comparasions to the SGU characters. Their was solid and logical development with the exception of the Scott/Chloe scene

True but the darkness had a different feel then the past series in the sense we can't trust Rush. We could always trust the main characters in SG1 or SGA

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 09:20 PM
Where was the suspense? I predicted that Destiny was heading toward the star to replenish energy at the end of last week's episode. I spent this whole episode wondering why everybody wasn't thinking that, too. The lack of suspense made the episode with all the stress pointless to me.

As a possible consideration, try putting yourself in their shoes. If you had a choice between having faith in a ship that is millions of years old or trying to save your life, which would you choose?

It's completely conceivable that they expected the Destiny was on an un-alterable crash course with that star. With the prospect of death on one's mind, it's incredibly hard to think or even consider such possibilities.

My main point is that they really didn't have any reason to conclusively believe that the Destiny was as self-sustaining as it appears to be. However, this episode certainly sets up future instances where the crew will be less wary about potential dangers as many may begin to think that the Destiny will save them every time.

This, to me, is very intelligent writing :)



I really dislike writing that is not as intelligent as its audience. Stargate never suffered from that problem before.

While I'd agree that TPTB are usually very good at writing intelligent stories, I think it's a far cry to stay Stargate never suffered from this problem before ;)


On the positive side, the CGI of the sun and Destiny and the internal lighting of Destiny as it neared the sun were both intense and gorgeous. It felt very real.

I completely agree! The visuals have not disappointed me yet :)

s09119
October 23rd, 2009, 09:21 PM
Where was the suspense? I predicted that Destiny was heading toward the star to replenish energy at the end of last week's episode. I spent this whole episode wondering why everybody wasn't thinking that, too. The lack of suspense made the episode with all the stress pointless to me.

I really dislike writing that is not as intelligent as its audience. Stargate never suffered from that problem before.

On the positive side, the CGI of the sun and Destiny and the internal lighting of Destiny as it neared the sun were both intense and gorgeous. It felt very real.

Oh please, the other shows were predictable plenty of times. Prime example; Atlantis rising to the surface of Lantea just as the shield failed. That was predicted by fans right after "Rising, Part 1" aired, I remember.

Cecil Brax
October 23rd, 2009, 09:21 PM
I appreciate your response (and jelgate) Congratulations on your successful relationship, sincerely.

Of course people hook up quickly, matter of hours if a bar and alcohol is involved.

The shortness of time bothers me greatly. The show is slow to me, so it seems longer to me, but to them, its what? 3 days? In 3 days we have a mutiny in the works, several breakdowns in the chain of command and a guy switching sex partners? She got over her dad real quick no? They aren't wowing me with realism, they are boring me with contrivance.

I guess that really wasn't evident in what I replied to. I've seen some trolling on the 'love the show' side.

Thank you for the congradulations, I appreciate that.

And yes, I agree often alcohol is involved. hehe. Not always (Not in my case) but that is very true.

I do agree with you on too many things happening to quickly. I was focusing on just the relationship thing, but you're right things are falling apart much too fast. While it might not break down that fast in real life, I think in this case its part of the fact they need Drama to drive the story. It it was constantly focusing on Eli/Chloe/Scott romance the show would get boring really fast. So they throw in a ton of other stuff. Sometimes this can work (I thought BSG did good) but other times its just too much.

Some good points you make.

- CB

Hatusu
October 23rd, 2009, 09:29 PM
Oh please, the other shows were predictable plenty of times. Prime example; Atlantis rising to the surface of Lantea just as the shield failed. That was predicted by fans right after "Rising, Part 1" aired, I remember.
OK. I'll give you that Stargate has been predictable before, but in this instance the suspense of the entire episode depended on the belief that they all might die and I never believed it for a second. If one character had said, "I think Destiny is just going to collect Solar energy." and someone else had a reason why that would not work, maybe I would have felt it. I didn't. Additionally, I think part of it is that I'm not attached to the characters, with the exception of Eli.

MattSilver 3k
October 23rd, 2009, 09:29 PM
I liked it. How can I not? A very pretty episode to the eyes and the ears, and Destiny's Crowning Moment of Awesome definitely came about by flying right through a freaking start. The suspense with the last ten or so minutes was very... suspenseful! :D I like the buildup of the episode, with the little bits and pieces of it all. And it was very easy to tell how this and Darkness could've worked as one episode, but the two episodes allow for a nice array of character moments.

Now, to the characters. Young, Greer and Rush were fantastic in this episode, as was Eli, but I'll get to him. Young is fast becoming my favourite military character on a Stargate series, because he's so zen about everything, but also a very deadpan leader with gravitas. Can't hate that. Greer's moments stood out as brilliant, with his cold-cocking of Spencer and his chat with Young. The Kino scene to start the episode was great too. So Greer was locked up for wailing on Telford? Awesome.

Rush... Rush... Rush! Jesus, Robert Carlyle does such a good job with him, and Rush's agenda is so shrouded in a moral veil, I can't tell whether or not a future problem could be averted by him telling the crew the truth... Love the scene at the end.

TJ and Camille were decent, but didn't have that much to do. That brings me to the new unholy threesome of the Stargate universe: Eli, Scott and Chloe. If the writers pull this off and have Eli remain friends with the other two, that'll be great. But I get the sinking feeling there's a triangle forming... The Scott/Chloe scenes kind of struck me as both of them just comforting each other, and Eli's jealously was great. David Blue did good with some actual non-comic relief moments. I'm just hoping that the triangle (if there is one) is either well-handed or dealt with quickly...

Happy birthday to Riley, as well.

Now I'm off to scout for some dramatic statements!

Pepermint Jaffa
October 23rd, 2009, 09:36 PM
But I get the sinking feeling there's a triangle forming...

Or more. What about Lt. James?

Pharaoh Atem
October 23rd, 2009, 09:37 PM
Or more. What about Lt. James?

she was a quickie

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 09:38 PM
she was a quickie

I doubt it. I bet her and Scott will have some ramification for the Chloe/Scott ship

Indoctrinated
October 23rd, 2009, 09:51 PM
Highlight of the episode: The complete and utter Bro-ment (Bro-moment? Yeah?) between Young and Greer. Really makes me want a flashback to see exactly what Greer said to piss off Telford.

Oh, yeah, and it confirms that there was bad blood between Young and Telford prior to the evacuation to the Destiny. Anyone seeing a Telford/Rush alliance in the making?

bdhenry1
October 23rd, 2009, 09:51 PM
I'm a big fan of Stargate and SGA. SGU is doing ok, but after viewing all the episodes so far I am still feeling like SGU is lacking something, but I cannot put my finger on it. I think as the season continues, maybe this will go away. Light was a good episode, but as many have stated, the love scene was a little to soon in the season.

MattSilver 3k
October 23rd, 2009, 09:54 PM
Highlight of the episode: The complete and utter Bro-ment (Bro-moment? Yeah?) between Young and Greer. Really makes me want a flashback to see exactly what Greer said to piss off Telford.

Oh, yeah, and it confirms that there was bad blood between Young and Telford prior to the evacuation to the Destiny. Anyone seeing a Telford/Rush alliance in the making?

I don't think Greer said much to Telford... with words, anyway.

I hope Telford makes no friends, personally.

Indoctrinated
October 23rd, 2009, 09:57 PM
I don't think Greer said much to Telford... with words, anyway.

I hope Telford makes no friends, personally.

Maybe I misheard it, but I thought he said "Put him down". That could be verbally or physically, imo.

MattSilver 3k
October 23rd, 2009, 09:59 PM
Maybe I misheard it, but I thought he said "Put him down". That could be verbally or physically, imo.

Either or, Greer goes up a notch in my book.

Coronach
October 23rd, 2009, 09:59 PM
Maybe I misheard it, but I thought he said "Put him down". That could be verbally or physically, imo.

My interpretation (though I'm no expert in military rules) is that it was a physical thing. That seems to me to be the most egregious thing, and would certainly have warranted him being locked up like he was.

As a side note, was it mentioned anywhere what sort of punishment Greer was facing? Was he going to be court-marshalled, or was it never elaborated on?

Indoctrinated
October 23rd, 2009, 10:02 PM
Either or, Greer goes up a notch in my book.

Now that I can agree with.

Weapons To Maximum
October 23rd, 2009, 10:08 PM
Well, another episode down and I never thought I would say this about a Stargate show, but I may not make it through many more. It still doesn't feel like Stargate to me. I am beginning to like some of the characters, but not so much to care what happens to them. I understand people are flawed by nature, but I think they are trying to find ways of forcibly writing in petty, selfish behavior to a sad, satirical excess.

Does Rush hate himself so much that he is Manic at the thought of impending death then reverts to a miserable ass when all is well? That is annoying.

At least the writing is original. Never seen the slingshot maneuver save the day. Also, first time I've seen a lottery to get on a shuttle to escape certain doom followed by a near riot.

I do realize this is a science FICTION show, but did anyone else put their head in their hands when the ship flew into a star. That is a bit much.

I hate the Keenos? or whatever they are. Those videos are a poor way of giving us character info, and comes off as a cheap way to avoid actually writing in development and interesting interactions.

At least I was spared the pile of crap that is the Ancient communication stones. That was a horrible idea from the get go. The Earth bound stories have been a complete waste of time and senseless given their situation.

I am glad to see other people actually enjoy the stories they're vomiting out up there, hopefully you can keep the franchise alive somehow. I dare say we won't be getting those SG1 or Atlantis movies we've been waiting for, so they better come up with something.

Best part of the episode was the BSG: The Plan commercial. At least I won't wince everytime they say FTL on that one.

suse
October 23rd, 2009, 10:09 PM
Okay, just so it can't be said that I hate on everything that isn't 'classic' Stargate:

I adore Young. I really like him as a leader. Very fair, but human.

I like TJ. I didn't expect too, I laughed (hard!!) at the cast photos with the altered outfit she was wearing. :o Perhaps some of that had to do with the actress's pregnancy/bodily changes. Still think it was overkill though. She's much stronger than i thought she'd be. Barely see her though.

Same with Ming-Na. She's a Guest Star? Odd. Though the amount she's in it is appropriate to the guest star.

Despise Telford. (That's LDP's character, right? Still not clear on all names.)

Meh on Rush. Just... meh.

Eli I liked at first, hes now meh also.

Chloe. Meh bordering on dislike. Not enough interest to bother with. And she's the girl with the most story. Figures.

Scott. A cutie. I swing from like to meh to FCOL within the show. We'll see.

Greer. :lol: Love him. What a grunt.

If I missed someone they didn't make enough of an impression for me to remember. :o

Loved the sun CGI. Must be some powerful solar panels. Those shields were strong enough to block heat from a sun's corona, would anything else but light get thru them?

Franklyn Blaze
October 23rd, 2009, 10:10 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents

The more things change the more they stay the same.

I see what you did there. :D
Nice post.

Abiron
October 23rd, 2009, 10:17 PM
Based on his reactions, I doubt Rush was certain, but he almost certainly suspected. Nevertheless, when he finished his "mediocre novel" and tossed it across the room, it certainly seemed like he was suddenly aware of the time, and was thinking that things should have been a lot worse for the ship and crew at that point. If he had known all along, he might have been acting for Young, but there is no real reason for him to continue the charade when there's nobody around to notice.

I think he was completely surprised by Destiny's maneuver. He was friendly, even cordial and somewhat penitent, when it seemed like the end was nigh. As though he longed for the sort of human contact that he normally disdains. Once Destiny had renewed his faith - his faith in Destiny herself - he quickly reverted to his arrogant, insulated self.

One must wonder what will happen to him personally when he puts too much faith in Destiny and it leads to disaster...which seems inevitable.

Vapor
October 23rd, 2009, 10:23 PM
AWESOME episode. Probably my new favorite out of the first five.

To me, this was an excellent blend of interpersonal human drama, and exploring the wonderous aspect of science-fiction. (And yes, there's more to science-fiction entertainment than just spaceships and lasers, despite what some would have us believe).

I love that there are so many elements to this episode that were almost a direct answer to fan criticisms of last week. Such as the "randomness" of all the recordings with the Kinos. Interesting that they chose to show the explanation for the recordings in a non-linear fashion, only telling us what they're really for after we've seen most of them. Also very clever to use the Kino to show off the ship from the outside.

One of my personal favorite parts of the episode are the character pieces, as people are preparing for the lottery, and what happens after certain people are chosen and others are not.

Special props to Ming Na, who plays Camille Wray as a complex, and painfully human character, who is conflicted about the possibility of being chosen, and then just looks horrified when she finally is because of what that means for everyone else. Her message to her loved one on Earth was also subtle and touching.

I'm sure someone has already started complaining about the shipping of Scott, Chloe, and Eli, but I loved it all. The initial love scene was really beautifully done, with the light of the star pouring into the room as they embrace. I think a lot of people, knowing what was about to happen, would want to take a moment to be comforted. Sadly, Eli doesn't get such a moment. At least not like that...

Okay, I'm really glad they showed the bald military officer taking a pill. Because he is seriously crazy, and one of the few whose position in the team I honestly had to question. He's done so much speaking out of turn, acting really out of character for military. And he doesn't have any of the excuses that Greer has had for his misconduct. So yeah, I really want there to be something up with this guy... beyond the obvious, I mean.

As many of us expected, the Destiny uses the star to refuel, but the actual process was just beautiful. Fantastic visual effects, and equally great music. The sound was very different from "classic" Stargate throughout, and I really enjoyed it.

I'm also glad that the crew of the Destiny actually had some kind of a hand in saving themselves. There was a small fear that the Destiny would just fix its own problems and the crew would just sort of sit there, uselessly. I'm glad that this was not the case, and it took their combined efforts to get the shuttle back to the ship instead of waiting for the problem to fix itself. Fun sequence overall.

I love that they keep bringing up that these are "the wrong people in the wrong place" because it really colors how I see all the characters. It's especially effective at the very end when many of them are sitting together in the mess hall (or whatever they call it) and it feels like they've known each other forever, after what they've been through.

And in awesome SGU fashion (so far anyway), we quickly bring this back to mystery and ambiguity. Rush might have suspected all along that Destiny was going to refuel... Nice.

This episode gets an A. Fantastic.

EvenstarSRV
October 23rd, 2009, 10:31 PM
Good episode and nice conclusion to Darkness. The lighting and visuals with the sun were wonderfully done, as was the music throughout.

Young is easily my favorite characters so far, no-nonsense, collected, in control but with moments of warmth and dry sense of humor. I loved him slapping Rush on the back when the shuttle landed and Rush's reaction to that.

Greer and TJ also stand out for me, with the more limited time they've been given, especially Greer. Nice to see more of Wray as well, the argument with Young and her reaction to getting chosen in the lottery were great.

I liked the light-hearted mess scene at the end, these characters finally relaxing after a few really bad days. And a nice teaser of Young doubting whether Rush knew what the Destiny was doing or not.

Only real weak point for me was the Scott/Chloe scene, it just seemed to come out of nowhere, esp with Chloe saying she felt closer to Scott than she had to anyone before, though she's only known him for a few days. After Air 2 and 3 I could see a relationship between those two, just not so soon and so abruptly. Oh well.

DigiFluid
October 23rd, 2009, 10:33 PM
Yeah the one thing I really didn't like was Chloe pairing off with Scott like that. Holy....abrupt much? Part 1 is all about character background and development, to the point that half this forum is whining that nothing is happening, and then just out of left field the two of them are gettin' busy in the first 5 minutes of the episode? What?

Don't misunderstand--I think sex must have its place in a group of people stranded like this, and I'll be annoyed if it's not ever approached again. This just seemed....out of left field.

garhkal
October 23rd, 2009, 10:38 PM
one powerful shield. Holy crap.

Yup. I knew ancient shields are powerful. BUT actually dipping into the sun! Did we not have issues with getting CLOSE to a star with asguard shields in SGA?


Quick review:
Hate Camile

With how she handled herself, i actually like her more. Her flipping out on young then switching to grovelling to be kept in the lottery shows how much of a politician she is.


I thought the Chloe/Scott scene would infuriate me... and yet... it worked perfectly. Two people who knew they were probably about to die deciding to t least go out feeling like they had someone.

And since we have seen people making out in other eps of SG1/SGA it was not over the top.


I actually found that to be a really great Episode. Aside from a few points, I thought it was pretty good. I like the way Greer and Young were talking candidly when they thought they were going to die.

And our favorite bad=ass has somewhat of a poet in him with his statement of going out to the most powerful force around..


I guess flying through that gas giant didn't do anything to fuel the Destiny like we (I) thought.

Maybe it did. All we know is the sun surfing is a big part of it. Maybe it needs to pick up some gas first..


Well as predicted, the ship saves the day again.
Deus Ex Machina all the way.
YET what an awesome way to Machina.

Both me and my mother were going "holy sh*t, that was cool"


Just not alot of sense WHEN to recharge.

Maybe by its normal protocols the ancients put it, it is supposed to recharge at intervals of XYZ. BUT our being there, trying to dial out to earth, dialing to that one planet and holding the link open, messing with everything changed things.


Because if their little colony was going to have any chance, every reproductively capable female would need to be involved.

All three of them!


Rush should have known that the shield was on well before they approached the star, because they didn't all immediately die of gamma poisoning. (which would have made them violently ill for the first few minutes following exposure)

IIRC from SGA season 2, they were saying the wraith code was going to send them to the sun to bake for a while cause the radiation would kill them all long before the ship took damage from the heat.


Wouldn't work, since stargates can't dial other gates in the same star system.

Especially one so close. And they would have had to leave the ship behind.


Many of us have gripes about the Chloe/Scott scene

I guess i am in the minority then. I liked how they handled it.


One of the characters that really shined to me personally was Colonel Young. The way he sacrificed himself without even batting an eye and the way he carried himself through the whole situation was excellent. I was really impressed all around.

Agreed. He took top spot for me in the crew standings for his stoicism.


I think Eli's reaction was how a lot of viewers felt

TO me it was more jealousy..


You're telling me the computer could have come up with that solution?

It was not the computer. It was ... Da da da! MATH BOY!


It's a waste of time to worry about people with nothing better to do than watch and then bash a show they supposedly hate.

Agreed it is like (to me that is) people who continually say they hate Blah food, but always order it when out.


conduct unbecoming from our military

The only conduct unbecoming i saw was with that one soldier getting decked for stepping out of line.


Who thought the shuttle wouldn't make it back?

ME!. Actually it was more of a hope than a thought.


Its one thing to dislike the show with construtive critcism (like you) and its another to bash like "this suck" and move one

To me a troll is also someone who says that those who liked something are stupid or dumb, etc, for liking it.


Does anyone else think that for a religious man Scott jumps into bed with women way too quickly. I guess he doesn't believe in no sex before marriage (not that i have a problem with sex before marriage but then i'm a athiest).

For someone who (from air Pt3) seemed to show a lot of conviction to his faith, he does seem to be a little too loose with his libido.


The more things change the more they stay the same. That is a line from one of my favorite non-Stargate shows.

Morpheous in The Matrix revelations..


Not to mention your argument with Wray. I thought that scene was also done beautifully. I don't even know who I agree with. They both have very very good arguments. Wray makes a good point about society needs certain people to sustain themselves but their is certain logic in Young and his idea that would lead to favoritism. Truly don't know who to pick


Besides the sun surfing, that was my number 1 pic for cha development.


I spent this whole episode wondering why everybody wasn't thinking that, too. The lack of suspense made the episode with all the stress pointless to me.

It did kind of surprise me not one of those scientists made a theory of that.. but maybe they were all too preoccupied with thoughts of death to think.


As a side note, was it mentioned anywhere what sort of punishment Greer was facing? Was he going to be court-marshalled, or was it never elaborated on?

Nope. TO me it was more than likely for hitting an officer..


Also, first time I've seen a lottery to get on a shuttle to escape certain doom followed by a near riot.

Deep impact used it for getting into those 'safe havens' the govt made in the mountains. 2012 will have it for getting on those ships. And i could have sworn i saw it back in the 80s or early 90s with another film.

I Love Lamp
October 23rd, 2009, 10:38 PM
I thought once Atlantis got canceled that Universe would be just some boring followup in the franchise but so far the series is proving me wrong. This was a great episode and I'm really starting to get excited to see where the rest of the season goes, I'm almost scared for the season finale though because I can imagine the cliff hanger it'll leave us on

iamangry
October 23rd, 2009, 10:41 PM
I'm sorry, but that was the worst episode of Stargate in its ~300 episode history. This episode pretty much took orbital mechanics, physics, etc. and threw it all out for the sake of a story that I called last week (Ooh, we're heading straight into a star and we're out of power. I wonder why the ship is going there?). I mean seriously. The last 15 minutes or so of that was especially sloppy and lazy writing. It's a star system, not a city block. Things aren't that close.

1. The heat from the hydrogen is certainly not enough to get a ship of that size moving like it does. Maybe if they we're grabbing it for fusion, but I would submit there are less... dramatic ways to recover hydrogen. The Ancients weren't stupid. Arrogant, but not stupid.

2. Upon its spectacular energy recovery at the star, it shows up in visual range of the shuttle? Space is a lot bigger than that. Especially if that planet was in the habitable zone. If it was in visual range at that point, there's absolutely no way turning back towards the planet would allow for a slingshot at the magnitude such that a ship that had an acceleration such that it could cover at least 20 million kilometers in minutes (assuming best case scenario small red dwarf star habitable zone distance) could be caught by the shuttle.

3. Coming back in for a landing, and firing manuevering thrusters to get the kind of delta v they got? I mean come on. Maneuvering thrusters are for... maneuvering. They typically generate only a small fraction of what a spacecraft's main engine generates.. and that's for our primitive spacecraft. Let alone a shuttle which can apparently fly through a solar system in a matter of hours.


I'm really trying to like this show. After SG-1 I owe any show with the name Stargate that much. And in fact I'll probably continue to watch the show regardless of the quality just because its got spaceships and a metal ring that takes people places. But I would like to remind TPTB that, while their new demographic may be mindless and technically uninclined, there are a large number of us in the community who are intelligent and hold advanced technical degrees. And in order to improve the quality of your product for us, I would ask that you promptly terminate the employment of your science adviser. Because he is clearly incompetent.

Uncle Tobias
October 23rd, 2009, 10:41 PM
I loved it, again. Really digging this show. Destiny is quite a character in itself.

Alan Wake
October 23rd, 2009, 10:44 PM
Yeah the one thing I really didn't like was Chloe pairing off with Scott like that. Holy....abrupt much? Part 1 is all about character background and development, to the point that half this forum is whining that nothing is happening, and then just out of left field the two of them are gettin' busy in the first 5 minutes of the episode? What?

Don't misunderstand--I think sex must have its place in a group of people stranded like this, and I'll be annoyed if it's not ever approached again. This just seemed....out of left field.

I agree... I mean in the 3 episodes we've had before "Light" the two of them really didn't talk much that we saw... and only comforted each other at best on 2 occasions.

Certainly nothing happened that should have sparked a sex scene... they had no romantic build up at all.

AnonyMoose
October 23rd, 2009, 10:48 PM
I enjoyed this episode, especially the special effects and the emotional moments. Greer's moments were a highlight. I did not care for the fast Scott/Chloe hookup, or the Rush head fake at the end because it put a damper on the jubilant mood. Enough has been said about Scott/Chloe, so this is my revised character analysis of Rush:

After seeing it a second time, I am certain that Rush genuinely thought they were going to die. When he realized that too much time had passed without any ill effects, and he saw that a control console was powered up, then finally that the ship was above the sun, he felt euphoric at the prospect that they would live, and that his opportunity to gain control of Destiny would continue.

However, later, once his excitement subsided, he felt foolish for being wrong. Humiliation is a powerful motivator for most people. Rush is one of those people who loves being in control. He thrives on being the smartest guy in the room and detests being wrong. His over-inflated ego scolded him for not realizing earlier that the ship was designed to feed off the resources of the universe, just as the stargate seeder ships do. At the end of the show, he still felt embarrassed and upset at himself, as demonstrated by his irritable demeanor. He didn't want to join the group and get teased about his mistake just like they were teasing Scott, so during the conversation with Young, he jumped at an opportunity to cover for his mistake by creating some ambiguity in everyone's minds, even at the risk of making himself appear calculating and crazy for putting them through this ordeal that could have potentially stranded 17 people, lost the shuttle, and all the supplies.

Joelist
October 23rd, 2009, 10:50 PM
Not only was the Chloe/Scott hookup out of left field, it was also counter to the relationships they already had been establishing, namely Scott/James and Eli/Chloe.

All this did was make Chloe look like a tramp.

In fact thus far there is a bad problem with the depiction of women on SGU. By showing them basically having sex on a whim rather than in the context of a mature relationship it is demeaning, basically giving women the type of characterization they get in the sort of sleazy porn one gets on late nite cable TV (and tries to avoid).

Did SG-1 and SGA have sex? Yes, but when they did there was history behind it and it fit into the storyline. That is not too much too ask. At this point SGU's treatment of sex has been sophomoric and treatment of women little better.

DavidR
October 23rd, 2009, 10:52 PM
So from most of the posters here, everyone believes that a ship, the Alterans built it, could enter a sun and recharge it's power source from it? No one disbelieve it?

PG15
October 23rd, 2009, 10:53 PM
Ok, I'm gonna comment before I read the thread.

The beginning scene with Chloe and Scott both confused and irritated me. It was always my fear that TPTB might jump into the relationship quickly and forgo any sort of development. For a few minutes after that, it seemed to me that my worst fears were confirmed.

MY WORST FEARS WERE CONFIRMED!!! OH GAWD SGU IS HOOOOORRIBLE!! THAT'S IT MAN, GAME OVER. STARGATE IS DEAD. DEEEEEEEAD!!! :( :( :(

So, MattSilver 3k, am I on the Overdramatization thing yet? ;)

Anyway, the key words here are "for a few minutes after that" - because, a few minutes after those first few minutes, I realized that it made perfect sense. :D

Here's how I see it. As some have already pointed out, this isn't love; this is about being close. Chloe seems like your typical socialite; from my POV, she's the kind of person who usually hangs out with lots of people. Suddenly, she's all alone on the other side of the Universe and at once faces a terrible personal tragedy. Who offers to be there for her? Well, Scott for one. He was there to comfort her, and in turn she was there to comfort him after the Air III mission. I think there's a good reason why, when we ended that episode, they were still in the same room together. In each other they seemed to have found a kindred spirit.

What Chloe said in this episode was very important. Ok, so at the beginning I thought the "I feel like I'm closer to you than I've been with anyone else" line was a tad cheesy, and it still might be, but it's the truth. Chloe is looking for comfort and someone to cling onto. This isn't a sign of weakness; this is just what being human is about. I know plenty of people who are like this (including girls), and at times I'm one of them. Wanting to be close, physically and emotionally, to someone else is natural at a time like this. Sometimes you just want to be hugged.

Of course, they did more than that, but I thought Brian J. Smith said it pretty well on his twitter. This isn't sex; it's making love. What Scott did with Lt. James is sex; this is more about being close to each other, about having that emotional anchor.

Now, there is also Eli. Considering that he reminds me of me in almost every situation, I completely understand what is happening with him. He is attracted to Chloe, obviously. However, a funny thing with males is, we are attracted to A LOT of women. All at once. I personally have at least 4 girls that I am attracted to right now and many more whom I think are pretty hot. Is that "their fault?" Are they "playing me"? Hell no! I'm just being a guy. This is what we do. And you know what? I get pretty jealous at times when I see these girls talk to other guys and having a good time. It's completely irrational, but hey, it's what I do.

Right now, I see Chloe and Eli as being friends, with Eli possibly frustrated and confused about his feelings. Chloe isn't leading him on or doing anything that a young girl shouldn't be doing, IMHO. Again, I haven't read the thread, but if anyone points to the "head-on-shoulder" thing and the hug thing as evidence that Chloe is being slutty or is playing Eli, then let me just say this: I've been hugged by girls plenty of times (and it wasn't even during a situation where we just cheated death! Imagine that! ;)), and once, this girl put her head on my shoulder while we were waiting in line to talk to a prof; I didn't even know her name at the time and I don't think we even talked up to that point. Some girls are just more casual about touching and what not.

So yeah, girls are WEIRD. But hey, us guys are lucky to exist among them. ;)

The rest of the episode was freaking awesome. For the first time, I genuinely teared up during the show; it was during the scene where Greer and Young said their goodbyes; I'm a sucker for these kinds of "loyal soldier and commander" moments. Greer is BEYOND AWESOME AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE.

Also, the entire sequence of the people being picked and the shuttle leaving was enthralling. For whatever reason, my breathing was very shallow during it; it was just tense and emotional at the same time. Of course, OMGAWESOME music helped too. Seeing the Destiny from the outside was an incredible moment, despite the fact that us viewers have now seen her plenty of times.

Also, even though we knew none of them were gonna leave Destiny forever, I just got so engrossed in the scene that I genuinely felt that this was the last time these people are going to see this great ship, and all the people onboard. The acting helped much here as well.

Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY RILEY!! I thought that was a great touch. :D

The incredible music just continues from that point on, really. The Sun Diving scene, the shuttle capturing scene, etc. etc. Joel Goldsmith is a ****ing genius. ****ING GENIUS.

Oh, my goodness, the CGI. It's pretty much Art now. The sequences were excellently rendered and I thought the angles captured were perfect; it made all the shots that much more epic.

I also loved the dialogue-less scenes of the crew as the Destiny headed for the star. See, this is where SGU sets itself aside from the other 2 series. IMHO, whereas the other series would use all of this time to try useless solution after useless solution until finally the last one worked, SGU decided to use this time to showcase how the characters are dealing with death. I loved seeing all of it, and the acting was incredible. From Young taking off his ring, to Greer stripping down and meditating (where's your Angry Black Man stereotype now? GREER ROCKS!!) and leading the prayer session, to Volker and the others cracking jokes and playing cards...these little facets help make these people that much more human.

So yeah, incredible episode. I must admit though, both episodes felt like they were very short. I think they may improve if they were seen together.

Ugh, so many things left unsaid. I can probably go on for 10 pages just about all the subtle moments between characters alone, especially Rush and how many layers he seem to have; thoughout this episode I didn't know what to believe with him. Is he genuine? His wish to get taken off of the lottery list because he wanted to die with the ship was noble and depressing (all he cherishes is the ship, and only 3 days in he will be deprived of it; poor guy), but then at the end...? Oh man, this is the stuff that makes me think.

Abiron
October 23rd, 2009, 10:57 PM
Thinking more about Destiny being able to fix all of their problems...I think that we saw a perfect example in this episode of how that isn't the case, following directly on from what many may see as proof that it is.

Once Destiny had refueled inside the star, it seemed to have little concern for the errant shuttle. Even if we concede that the activation of the countdown timer was meant to imply that the ship was waiting for the shuttle rather than immediately returning to FTL flight, Destiny continued to accelerate. If Destiny had decelerated instead to facilitate the shuttle's return, that would have been a far more telling indicator that the ship has some sort of awareness of its current passengers. Instead, it was making ready to leave a number of them behind, in a system that its own sensors must have indicated was less than friendly to human life.

I believe that Destiny stopped in Air not because Rush made numerous queries into the database, but because it had a malfunctioning system that needed to be repaired. It stopped and picked a source for the required element, and expected that the "crew" would do their part and get back in time. In this episode, the ship did not even attempt to inform the crew that it was about to perform a refueling...at least not in any way that the crew could understand. Once the refueling was complete, Destiny did inform the crew that they would be moving on via the countdown, but made no other move to facilitate their return. (There seems to be no real reason for this scheduled return to FTL, at least none that we are privy to as yet.)

I think that we will eventually discover that Destiny is currently operating in a very selective self-preservation mode, and perhaps that mode can be "switched off," once our intrepid band learns how. Maybe by finding the "bridge," rather than trying to run things from what seems like an auxiliary control station. In other words, for the forseeable future, the only thing that the crew can rely on Destiny to do is maintain itself, perhaps at the expense of those aboard.

Jemagu
October 23rd, 2009, 10:58 PM
Many of us have gripes about the Chloe/Scott scene:P

I was kind of shocked. I liked the Chloe/Eli interaction last episode in the "shower", and she has even been kind of affectionate towards him. You start to root for Eli to get the girl, since he probably is feeling a little lonely. Chloe just hooking up with Scott like that made her seem like a slut.

MattSilver 3k
October 23rd, 2009, 10:59 PM
Ok, I'm gonna comment before I read the thread.

The beginning scene with Chloe and Scott both confused and irritated me. It was always my fear that TPTB might jump into the relationship quickly and forgo any sort of development. For a few minutes after that, it seemed to me that my worst fears were confirmed.

MY WORST FEARS WERE CONFIRMED!!! OH GAWD SGU IS HOOOOORRIBLE!! THAT'S IT MAN, GAME OVER. STARGATE IS DEAD. DEEEEEEEAD!!! :( :( :(

So, MattSilver 3k, am I on the Overdramatization thing yet? ;)

Honourable mention, for sure! :P

I'll be sure to add a comment about knowing PG-15 back when he was all there, and then lamenting that he's off the deep end now, doomed to watch other shows forever! :D

suse
October 23rd, 2009, 10:59 PM
Not only was the Chloe/Scott hookup out of left field, it was also counter to the relationships they already had been establishing, namely Scott/James and Eli/Chloe.

All this did was make Chloe look like a tramp.

In fact thus far there is a bad problem with the depiction of women on SGU. By showing them basically having sex on a whim rather than in the context of a mature relationship it is demeaning, basically giving women the type of characterization they get in the sort of sleazy porn one gets on late nite cable TV (and tries to avoid).

Did SG-1 and SGA have sex? Yes, but when they did there was history behind it and it fit into the storyline. That is not too much too ask. At this point SGU's treatment of sex has been sophomoric and treatment of women little better.

So Chloe is a tramp for having sex. Yet nothing is said of Scott for having had sex with *two* women in a few days... Wouldn't this make him even more of a tramp than Chloe??

Sorry, these types comments aimed only at a specific gender really honk me off. Not at you. :) Just in general. What's true for the goose should be true for the gander.

suse

escyos
October 23rd, 2009, 11:00 PM
i can't believe people like this show... it completely throws everything sci fi out the window... it's like Days Of our lives on a fricken space ship, and the ship flys in and out of stars without sustaining damage. you guys are pretty easy to please apparently

how can you throw everythign sci-fi out the window...sci-fi was never in the window, thats what sci-fi is , something we can comprehend and is far beyond us.

Descended
October 23rd, 2009, 11:00 PM
Okay, I'm really glad they showed the bald military officer taking a pill. Because he is seriously crazy, and one of the few whose position in the team I honestly had to question. He's done so much speaking out of turn, acting really out of character for military. And he doesn't have any of the excuses that Greer has had for his misconduct. So yeah, I really want there to be something up with this guy... beyond the obvious, I mean.

Yea, he is either schizophrenic (or bipolar) - and those are his meds, which is really going to suck when he runs out or he is a jaffa spy and that's his form of tretonin. (just a guess, would be cool though, he's got that big hulking jaffa look)

Pandora's_Box
October 23rd, 2009, 11:00 PM
From Young taking off his ring, to Greer stripping down and meditating (where's your Angry Black Man stereotype now? GREER ROCKS!!) and leading the prayer session, to Volker and the others cracking jokes and playing cards...these little facets help make these people that much more human.


Wordy McWorderson.

To everything, but especially this. Why? .... Just....'cause?

Also, Greer set himself apart for me in "Air - Part II" when he totally played Rush like a fiddle.

Stormtrooper
October 23rd, 2009, 11:02 PM
Destiny is mother. Destiny is father. Trust Destiny.

Clearly the best episode yet. If only it weren't for these WTF moments that keep plaguing the show and really don't fit with the rest of the story...

I thought this was a very good episode for Rush, Young and Greer. Even Eli had some good moments. The female characters, however, were mundane (Chloe), apathetic (Johansen) and coward (Wray). My favorite female characters as of right now are Lt. James and Dr. Park and they are kind of mute.

Anyway, who will start the "Lt. Scott & the Airlock" thread?

7.5/10

suse
October 23rd, 2009, 11:04 PM
Girlie gush:

Did you get a load of Greer's abs? WOW!!

Greer, my favorite character. Even if he's had like 15 lines in the 4 eps that have aired.

suse

Descended
October 23rd, 2009, 11:05 PM
So Chloe is a tramp for having sex. Yet nothing is said of Scott for having had sex with *two* women in a few days... Wouldn't this make him even more of a tramp than Chloe??

Sorry, these types comments aimed only at a specific gender really honk me off. Not at you. :) Just in general. What's true for the goose should be true for the gander.

suse

Actually, have you read the previous 8 pages. I think the general consensus has been more unfavorable towards Scott regarding the hookup than Chloe, as he already has one "bed buddy" on the ship. People are just upset that she is using Eli. Don't be so quick to play the gender card or take offense.

Pandora's_Box
October 23rd, 2009, 11:05 PM
Girlie gush:

Did you get a load of Greer's abs? WOW!!

Greer, my favorite character. Even if he's had like 15 lines in the 4 eps that have aired.

suse

:: flails ::

Although I am also liking the arms on Scott.

:: flails again ::

jelgate
October 23rd, 2009, 11:07 PM
:: flails ::

Although I am also liking the arms on Scott.

:: flails again ::

*cough*Predictible*cough*

suse
October 23rd, 2009, 11:07 PM
Actually, have you read the previous 8 pages. I think the general consensus has been more unfavorable towards Scott regarding the hookup than Chloe, as he already has one "bed buddy" on the ship. People are just upset that she is using Eli. Don't be so quick to play the gender card or take offense.

Yet he wasn't the one called a tramp.

MattSilver 3k
October 23rd, 2009, 11:08 PM
Yet he wasn't the one called a tramp.

Man-slut?

Joelist
October 23rd, 2009, 11:08 PM
So Chloe is a tramp for having sex. Yet nothing is said of Scott for having had sex with *two* women in a few days... Wouldn't this make him even more of a tramp than Chloe??

Sorry, these types comments aimed only at a specific gender really honk me off. Not at you. :) Just in general. What's true for the goose should be true for the gander.

suse

Good point. I had referred to Scott as a gigolo in a different thread. I wonder what the proper term is for a male tramp?

However, my point was more that depicting women in this manner is degrading. But it is true it is also degrading to men as well.

Pandora's_Box
October 23rd, 2009, 11:09 PM
Man-slut?

Man-whore.

escyos
October 23rd, 2009, 11:09 PM
trampus maximus!

DigiFluid
October 23rd, 2009, 11:12 PM
I'm willing to bet most of you aren't from Puritan settlements. So why the kneejerk negative reaction just because people are getting some?

I know it occupies a lot of time in my mind, and I'm quite certain it does in most of yours too--so why should the Destiny crew be wearing chastity belts?

khomel
October 23rd, 2009, 11:14 PM
For someone who supposedly reveres God, Scott sure gets around. 2 gals in less than a week. Or is it 3 days?

This is what I was going to bring up. WTF? Maybe it will make for an all out catfight later. LOL

suse
October 23rd, 2009, 11:16 PM
:D Point is made. Thanks!

Young and Greer are totally worth watching.
:)

Joelist
October 23rd, 2009, 11:16 PM
I'm willing to bet most of you aren't from Puritan settlements. So why the kneejerk negative reaction just because people are getting some?

I know it occupies a lot of time in my mind, and I'm quite certain it does in most of yours too--so why should the Destiny crew be wearing chastity belts?

You really can't figure out why SGU depicting sex in a manner like that of a soft core porn flick is a problem? It is because it is sophomoric and degrading to both women and men.

Cory Holmes
October 23rd, 2009, 11:19 PM
Destiny stuff

I think that ending sequence proves that the Destiny doesn't have any sort of AI that's capable of independant decision. It's running through a (large and complex) program that contains little more than a list of commands. "Running low on X? Go to System Y and get some. Running low on Zed? StarSurf for more power."

The fact that it was blithly unconcered for the shuttle and its passengers prove that while it's capable of preserving life support and arrainging for repairs, it's NOT capable of doing anything outside of that programming or spontaniously.

That makes it a much more interesting character and plot device. What'll happen when the crew wants to do something that isn't part of its programming?


Yet nothing is said of Scott for having had sex with *two* women in a few days...

... isn't that the goal of maledom? *flees as fast as his legs can take him* :cool:

DigiFluid
October 23rd, 2009, 11:19 PM
You really can't figure out why SGU depicting sex in a manner like that of a soft core porn flick is a problem? It is because it is sophomoric and degrading to both women and men.

*snort, followed by incredulous laughter*

This isn't even beginning to approach softcore porn, but that wasn't the point.

Why should no-one be having sex? Particularly when they think they're going to die?

Stabby
October 23rd, 2009, 11:20 PM
I knew that the Destiny would somehow recharge via the sun. That much was obvious. However, even when I knew how the episode would end, it was still suspenseful and surprising, had some nice twists, amazing lines and dialogue, and great drama and character development. A perfect episode.

10/10

DaDornta
October 23rd, 2009, 11:22 PM
Not a bad Sci-Fi episode, considering it's SG.

I never could get into SG. The scripts seemed...corny, juvenile and immature.

This series is a decent attempt to give a "darker" more "gritty/REALISTIC" version of Star Gate.

IMO -- the "style" of SG:U is a total rip-off of the CGI and camera work of the new BSG.

Maybe the producers learned something, that not *all* (but a majority lol) fans do *NOT* live in their parent's house @ age 30...and want to see something realistic. People being "real people".

So far none of the annoying "cheezy music swell ups" in the "nerd with the hot chick fantasy" hasn't been TOO overwhelming.

<Snipped for total irrelevance to topic.>

I predicted this ep. -- but It was nice to see the CGI flesh it out. Still, not up to my standards of QUALITY sci-fi.

Of course we have the MIT drop-out socially awkward character ... we have two "hot chicks" that creates "drama" -- and a troubled and agressive soldier character. It's so recipe-predictable.

I know most of you think "how COOL is it to have a SHIP with it's own GATE!!"

This is Star Trek: Voyager set in the SG realm. LMFAO. Voyager sucked :)

The entire recipe for this show is an over played typical SG "archetype" -- but I *AM* super glad they decided not to use steady-cams all the time.

(yet another BSG rip off LOL)

At least Fridays I have *something* to watch other than infomercials.

*sigh*

I just do not understand or "get" how SG fans can discount the poor dialogue, plot holes, and rip-offs from previous sci-fi franchises!

This franchise could be so much better if it were written by people that have regular hot sex with attractive people and actually have social skills.

*eye roll*

I personally liked this EP the best out of rest -- the CGI was good for tv for a Friday night.

Why are they doing the whole "video diary" thing they did on SG:Atlantis?

Each time I saw one of those clips I rolled my eyes and ate more food and ignored it. Played out...totally.






I am distressed that BSG is over, but this is a semi-acceptable replacement.

The entire style (zooming randomly in-out in the space shots for example) is a rip-off of the BSG style.

SBN
October 23rd, 2009, 11:23 PM
I'm willing to bet most of you aren't from Puritan settlements. So why the kneejerk negative reaction just because people are getting some?

I know it occupies a lot of time in my mind, and I'm quite certain it does in most of yours too--so why should the Destiny crew be wearing chastity belts?

LMAO! I have been thinking the same thing. It's as if this show was really popular with Amish. Seriously folks, there is so much more to get uptight about. I know last week Syfy was airing that torture porn garbage Saw. Seems that a lot want a show more fit for Saturday morning cartoons.

P.s. I would actually be bothered if they were NOT having sex in this type of situation. Now THAT would be freaking abnormal.

Abiron
October 23rd, 2009, 11:27 PM
I think that ending sequence proves that the Destiny doesn't have any sort of AI that's capable of independant decision. It's running through a (large and complex) program that contains little more than a list of commands. "Running low on X? Go to System Y and get some. Running low on Zed? StarSurf for more power."

Exactly. We have seen no real ancient AIs, ever. We have seen Ancient AS (Artificial Sentience) with the Replicator/Asurans, but even Atlantis' computer is incapable of any sort of independent action.

Rush thinking of Destiny as anything more than a vessel with a preprogrammed set of instructions may ultimately lead to some very bad situations.

Of course, it may be that there is an AI functioning aboard Destiny...it just doesn't put the lives of the crew at the top of its list of priorities. Only time will tell.

Abiron
October 23rd, 2009, 11:29 PM
The entire style (zooming randomly in-out in the space shots for example) is a rip-off of the BSG style.

Hmmm...does that make BSG a rip-off of the Firefly style? Or should we just be prepared to admit that it's a popular new style that CGI makes possible?

Cory Holmes
October 23rd, 2009, 11:32 PM
And Cloverfield? What about Bourne Ultimatum? Oh hell, let's just take it all the way back: Blair Witch Project. It used the shakey-cam, so it's obviously a rip-off of BSG!

I know BSG is popular and all, but there's no reason to ascribe everything that comes after it as "ripping it off", since it's a boring, sensless, unoriginal, unenertaining piece of tripe. So there, take that.

Vapor
October 23rd, 2009, 11:33 PM
People are just upset that she is using Eli.

A woman can't have a close friend without people accusing her of being a tramp that wants to jump their bones and/or use them? Come on.

There is a triangle between the three characters, but that doesn't mean that any one of them is conciously trying to hurt anyone else. Chloe doesn't even seem aware of Eli's interest in her, and the same could easily go for Scott.

The only person who would seem to be at fault at all would be Scott himself, and that's only because we assume he and Lt. James may have been more than just "casual partners."

This need to make everything an evil plot by the hypnotic vajayjay is so irksome to me.

BurningIce
October 23rd, 2009, 11:41 PM
Into the star. INTO THE DAMNED STAR!!

I loved this episode. I liked more of this episode than I disliked. Greer is awesome to watch. His Kino contribution was good, because he didn't whine. I liked how he was accepting of his fate, yet he managed to see some beauty in the manner of his impending death.

Visual effects in this episode were just wow, omg, wow. Wow. Wow. Liked the twist that Destiny had merely been diverting power to it's shields for it's spectacular refueling.

Ooh, so it looks like Young and Greer have a bit of a dislike for Telford....

Still liking Sgt Greer and Dr Rush. Now add Col Young to that list.

Marsuvees
October 23rd, 2009, 11:50 PM
Well as predicted, the ship saves the day again.
Deus Ex Machina all the way.
YET what an awesome way to Machina.
If you are going to Machina it, just take it to the limit. Go all out.

leiasky
October 23rd, 2009, 11:50 PM
While I'd have liked to have had another episode in between Darkness and Light to give the viewer more of a chance to care about the possible death of these characters (because I still don't very much care about many of them), it was a nicely done episode and FAR better than Darkness.

Still absolutely not a fan of 'shaky cam' at all. I hope they tone it down. I'm liking Greer more and more and Scott less.

I hope those turned off by Darkness (because I certainly was) stuck around for Light.

Marsuvees
October 23rd, 2009, 11:52 PM
Worst episode yet. It was predictable on nearly every level and there was virtually no suspense. I saw the whole "ship using the star as a pitstop" thing a mile away, it was taken straight from Rendezvous with Rama.

When Scott and the others in the shuttle were in trouble I was holding out hope that maybe they could change things up a bit and leave them stranded or something interesting. But no, they used the classic "slingshot around the planet" technique and bingo! problem solved. There were only two things I liked about this episode: the beautiful CGI and the thing with Rush at the end. Otherwise I was strongly disappointed.

I'm really trying to like this show, but we're already a quarter of the way through the season and I'm not attached to a single character and the show hasn't built up any sort of interesting or complex mythology yet. Let's hope they put more effort into the next episode.

<Snipped by Moderator>

I am pretty much attached to all these characters and even Wray had me feeling for her when she ran aboard the shuttle. You honestly thought they would strand the people with two of the leading cast and every speaking part secondary?:mckay:

Descended
October 23rd, 2009, 11:57 PM
A woman can't have a close friend without people accusing her of being a tramp that wants to jump their bones and/or use them? Come on.

There is a triangle between the three characters, but that doesn't mean that any one of them is conciously trying to hurt anyone else. Chloe doesn't even seem aware of Eli's interest in her, and the same could easily go for Scott.

The only person who would seem to be at fault at all would be Scott himself, and that's only because we assume he and Lt. James may have been more than just "casual partners."

This need to make everything an evil plot by the hypnotic vajayjay is so irksome to me.

Just because she isn't aware of it doesn't mean she isn't using Eli. She is using him to provide comfort (when she was scared in the dark) and support (when they were waiting for death) without even once thinking about his feelings. Has she ever be the least bit introspective and thought about him, it should be obvious to her that he is smitten with her. She takes from him without thinking of giving back... and I am not just talking about sex. It reveals that she is rather shallow and self-centered.

Arative
October 24th, 2009, 12:03 AM
Well just finished watching the episode and reading this thread.

Greer is now one of my favorite characters. I think when he smacked down that guy sealed it for me. I like Young's leadership, calm, collected and in command. Really liked Rush this episode too.

I don't mind Chloe and Scott sleeping together. If I was going to die, I'd be trying to score some too. I noticed that a lot of people have been saying its too soon for a relationship. Did anyone consider that its just sex and not a relationship?

Poor Eli, he's been friendzoned. There's no coming back from that. He'll spend months pining for her before he realizes it.

DigiFluid
October 24th, 2009, 12:06 AM
Greer is now one of my favorite characters. I think when he smacked down that guy sealed it for me. I like Young's leadership, calm, collected and in command. Really liked Rush this episode too.

I don't mind Chloe and Scott sleeping together. If I was going to die, I'd be trying to score some too. I noticed that a lot of people have been saying its too soon for a relationship. Did anyone consider that its just sex and not a relationship?

Poor Eli, he's been friendzoned. There's no coming back from that. He'll spend months pining for her before he realizes it.

I only slightly disagree on the Chloe/Scott point. You're right, it seems that it's just sex, and that's cool and all. But to me, that usually comes from somewhere rather than just bumping into one another in the hall. When...uh...alcohol isn't a factor :o

That aside though, I agreed on pretty much every count. Young is a terrific leader, I howled when Greer knocked out the bald guy, and Rush was great.

As was....everyone else :)

Vapor
October 24th, 2009, 12:08 AM
Just because she isn't aware of it doesn't mean she isn't using Eli. She is using him to provide comfort (when she was scared in the dark) and support (when they were waiting for death) without even once thinking about his feelings. Has she ever be the least bit introspective and thought about him, it should be obvious to her that he is smitten with her. She takes from him without thinking of giving back... and I am not just talking about sex. It reveals that she is rather shallow and self-centered.

Considering its been, like, three days since the start of this whole story, and part of that was spent killing off her father and then dealing with the emotional baggage that comes along with it, I think we can excuse any of her behavior that might be perceived as insensitive.

Although, for the record, I don't actually see it that way. They seemed to have a connection almost immediately, and she was very complimentary of him before the crisis actually began.

Comfort and support are things that friends provide for each other, particularly when one of those parties appears to need it more than the other. All that's happened so far seems to be Chloe being friendly, but Eli wanting more and not immediately understanding that there's probably not gonna be more.

g.o.d
October 24th, 2009, 12:11 AM
I loved this episode. Probably the best episode imho.

DigiFluid
October 24th, 2009, 12:13 AM
I loved this episode. Probably the best episode imho.

It was really good. I'm not sure which I like more, it or Air 3.

Man it's exciting (and frustrating) to look forward to new Stargate every week. I haven't felt this way since SG-1 ended :)

Mardius
October 24th, 2009, 12:14 AM
if Universe ripped off BSG than BSG ripped off Firefly. this whole a ripped off b ripped off c line of thinking is really starting to get all kinds of stupid. By that logic EVERYTHING is a ripoff of something. if the writing is good (which, barring a few minor missteps, it is) who cares, its just a film making style

and contrary to what (apparently) alot of people think Battlestar Galactica is not the holy grail of modern science fiction

SBN
October 24th, 2009, 12:17 AM
It was really good. I'm not sure which I like more, it or Air 3.

Man it's exciting (and frustrating) to look forward to new Stargate every week. I haven't felt this way since SG-1 ended :)

Actually I think many of the better episodes are going to come later in the season. I have tried to avoid for the most part any spoilers, but after picking up a thing or two I know that episode 12 sounds to be really good.

Pandora's_Box
October 24th, 2009, 12:18 AM
I loved this episode. Absolutely adored it. From the haunting soundtrack (I'm a sucker for piano) to the subtlety and honesty of the characters and their interactions. I don't know how to quite describe the sensation of ebb and flow in this episode; it was heartwrenching and gut-twisting, at once pulling at your emotions and pushing up the suspense. The pacing, the writing, the lighting, everything was spot on.

And the most telling moments were the quiet ones which makes me just fall in love with the cast and crew of this series so hard. I think I'd gotten used to the heavy handedness of Stargate over the years that I wasn't expecting this.

Young's face as he looked at every single person he called out in the lottery, the tear falling from his face after he takes off his ring, and his voice braking during his Kino video.

Wray when she breaks and begs Young not to take her name out of the lottery. Sobbing on the shuttle.

Chloe and Scott together so quietly and peacefully and in such sharp contrast with the first sex scene of this show.

Greer as he stands by Young, apologises for letting him down, continues to be that pillar of stregth he's been established to be. I loved their moment together. There's a history there, a strong one, and I'm so glad Greer is turning out to be the antithesis of what everyone thought he'd be.

Rush is such an enigma. Was he quiet and apologetic because he was about to die, or because he didn't want to arouse suspicion for the fact that he didn't think they would die. I think it would be easy to write him off as evil and manipulative, but Carlyle does so much more with the character.

All of them do so much more in a facial expression, in a movement then I've been accustomed to seeing on Stargate and it makes me giddy with excitement for the rest of the season.

What's great about this episode is that the subject matter makes perhaps the best platform for character discovery. I don't think the writers actually wanted us to believe everyone would die, but the moments before death are the most revealing about personalities. There's a reason why, "What would you do if you knew you were going to die tomorrow?" is such a popular question. And here we actually got an answer.

I have so much love for this episode. So much love.

senilegreen
October 24th, 2009, 12:21 AM
My fear that SG:U would turn out to be a high school soap opera has come true. :-(

Both Lt. Scott and Chloe are tramps, so there.

The ship is invincible to being inside a star. If the shields can do that, the writers better have a really good story as to why there is damage to the outer parts of the ship.

For the "livable" planet to be in the goldilocks zone it would have had to be millions of miles from the sun... just like Earth. There is no way that the shuttle could have gotten from the planet to Destiny in a the brief two minutes depicted. I know, I know, expecting too much sense from the SG writers.

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 12:25 AM
You really can't figure out why SGU depicting sex in a manner like that of a soft core porn flick is a problem? It is because it is sophomoric and degrading to both women and men.

No it's not.

x-wing20
October 24th, 2009, 12:25 AM
With Scott and Chloe hooking up. Lt. James is left for dust. Eli liked Chloe but now has mixed emotions. Chloe is using him. I saw the look Eli and Lt. James gave each other at the beginning of the episode. I should say that's a prediction.

I can't believe i didn't notice that. So there's hope for Eli after all. From the first episode on I was suspecting a love triangle.

For the record yes Going through a star is a big stretch but so are thing like artificail gravity and just about every scifi movie/series has ignored the whole there is no sound in space rule. None the less though that is ground breaking.

Overall a slow episode with most the action in the later part of the episode but generally good. From the few spoilers out there SGU has potentail.

PG15
October 24th, 2009, 12:28 AM
For the "livable" planet to be in the goldilocks zone it would have had to be millions of miles from the sun... just like Earth. There is no way that the shuttle could have gotten from the planet to Destiny in a the brief two minutes depicted. I know, I know, expecting too much sense from the SG writers.

The Goldilock zone for a Red Dwarf star is much much closer to the star itself. Look up Gliese 581.

Looks like the writers knew more about this than you did. Interesting, no?

Oh, and did I mention how much I loved the science bits in this episode? It's wonderful to get some flashes of non-technobabble science, even if there may be holes in it. :D

Pandora's_Box
October 24th, 2009, 12:29 AM
The Goldilock zone for a Red Dwarf star is much much closer to the star itself. Look up Gliese 581.

Looks like the writers knew more about this than you did. Interesting, no.

Oh, and did I mention how much I loved the science bits in this episode? It's wonderful to get some flashes of non-technobabble science, even if there may be holes in it. :D

There's also the fact that we don't know how fast those shuttles can actually move.

Was it established that it was a Red Dwarf?

DigiFluid
October 24th, 2009, 12:32 AM
Was it established that it was a Red Dwarf?

They said so in "Darkness".

I didn't see any chicken soup dispenser repairmen though.... ;)

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 12:32 AM
Hmmm...does that make BSG a rip-off of the Firefly style? Or should we just be prepared to admit that it's a popular new style that CGI makes possible?


And Cloverfield? What about Bourne Ultimatum? Oh hell, let's just take it all the way back: Blair Witch Project. It used the shakey-cam, so it's obviously a rip-off of BSG!

I know BSG is popular and all, but there's no reason to ascribe everything that comes after it as "ripping it off", since it's a boring, sensless, unoriginal, unenertaining piece of tripe. So there, take that.

Yeah but all of those shows/movies ripped off BSG too... they just ripped it off before it was made!

Pandora's_Box
October 24th, 2009, 12:33 AM
They said so in "Darkness".

I didn't see any chicken soup dispenser repairmen though.... ;)

:: blinks ::

I see what you did there. :p

PG15
October 24th, 2009, 12:34 AM
There's also the fact that we don't know how fast those shuttles can actually move.

Was it established that it was a Red Dwarf?

Indeed it was.

It's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere, I'm all alone, more or less. Let me fly far away from here, fun fun fun, in the sun sun sun.

:D




Young's face as he looked at every single person he called out in the lottery, the tear falling from his face after he takes off his ring, and his voice braking during his Kino video.

There was a tear? WHUT.

I missed that. Looks like I have to watch the episode again. OH NOES. :D

Pandora's_Box
October 24th, 2009, 12:36 AM
There was a tear? WHUT.

I missed that. Looks like I have to watch the episode again. OH NOES. :D

I saw it on my second viewing. You see the drop fall as the camera is behind him. Just one and you only see it falling through the air, not on his face or anything.

It hurt me.

I swear, I watched the whole episode with bated breath. Unreal.

PG15
October 24th, 2009, 12:39 AM
Oh my, I think I did see that, but I didn't quite register it.

Talk about your unconventional filming styles. The guy's so badass that he won't even let the non-existent camera see him cry.

Oh, and brilliant review, as always. :D

Jel, you too. ;)

Pandora's_Box
October 24th, 2009, 12:40 AM
Oh my, I think I did see that, but I didn't quite register it.

Talk about your unconventional filming styles. The guy's so badass that he won't even let the non-existent camera see him cry.


Do you see?! Do you see the awesomeness of it all?!

This was the episode that made me fall in love with the show. Go figure.

PG15
October 24th, 2009, 12:44 AM
I see the awesomeness. AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. :eek:

ykickamoocow
October 24th, 2009, 12:44 AM
A woman can't have a close friend without people accusing her of being a tramp that wants to jump their bones and/or use them? Come on.


Except Chloe did have a shower with Eli in the same room as her in the previous episode (allowing him to see a silhouette of her naked body).

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 12:51 AM
I don't mind Chloe and Scott sleeping together. If I was going to die, I'd be trying to score some too. I noticed that a lot of people have been saying its too soon for a relationship. Did anyone consider that its just sex and not a relationship?

It's a little more than that. But it's not like they're making plans to move in together and start a family or anything. The relationship development is fine IMO.

eliteaceman
October 24th, 2009, 12:52 AM
They showed rush with an I-Phone and Speaker Base Station... When did he have time to grab that kinda stuff before jumping into the stargate? I noticed some other strange items... maybe we should make a list of easter eggs

I should of put this in the main board :-D

http://eliteaceman.com/Pics/stargatemp3.jpg

Vapor
October 24th, 2009, 12:59 AM
Except Chloe did have a shower with Eli in the same room as her in the previous episode (allowing him to see a silhouette of her naked body).

Um, yeah, like a lot of people do around their friends all the time in reality.

This is just what I mean. It's like people see a young, attractive woman just existing and she automatically must be using her nether-parts to manipulate all the males who just are powerless to control themselves in her presence.

Come the frell on!

Cory Holmes
October 24th, 2009, 01:00 AM
Except Chloe did have a shower with Eli in the same room as her in the previous episode (allowing him to see a silhouette of her naked body).

Wouldn't it be rather hard to have someone in the room with you and them only seeing a silhouette of your clothed body? :p Ergo, the nakedness is perfectly acceptable ;)

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
October 24th, 2009, 01:01 AM
so now that they got power back can they use that "Recharge Plate" to recharge all of the dead flashlights, PDAs and Radios? or will rush wont let them?

ykickamoocow
October 24th, 2009, 01:04 AM
Um, yeah, like a lot of people do around their friends all the time in reality.

This is just what I mean. It's like people see a young, attractive woman just existing and she automatically must be using her nether-parts to manipulate all the males who just are powerless to control themselves in her presence.

Come the frell on!

Its a bit early for her to be comfortable around him like that (remember at this point they have only known each other for a few days).

Cold Fuzz
October 24th, 2009, 01:05 AM
so now that they got power back can they use that "Recharge Plate" to recharge all of the dead flashlights, PDAs and Radios? or will rush wont let them?

It depends on the actual level of their power cells but if they're now at full capacity, there's absolutely no reason they wouldn't be able to use the recharging plate Sgt. Riley found.

Vapor
October 24th, 2009, 01:10 AM
Its a bit early for her to be comfortable around him like that (remember at this point they have only known each other for a few days).

To be honest, I think you're applying what you might expect some people to do, to what you think Chloe will do. Different people have different levels of comfort around others.

We should also factor in what the circumstances were in that scenario. Alien ship with wierd non-water shower, and the power is wonky.

But even if there was no wierdness factor, we can't just assume that she wouldn't be okay with him mostly looking the other direction while she showers. We've seen this exact scene in so many movies and shows, and it reflects what many people actually do all the time.

Lord Shiva
October 24th, 2009, 01:17 AM
This is a good show. Any show that can do this to me is a good show. I don't care about the things some people are bringing up, claiming that this isn't Stargate - all I know is the journey that these people are going on... I can feel it. Knowing they can all die - I felt that. Each characters emotional response to their situation - cut me. The utter joy I felt when the ship flew through the sun like a phoenix, my god... I was beyond words as I stared at the beauty of it all.

This is a good show. Peace :)

DigiFluid
October 24th, 2009, 01:18 AM
I'm really, really enjoying the show but....that's a little over the top ;)

eliteaceman
October 24th, 2009, 01:19 AM
I like it... all tho it might a little more gate travel ;-)

Eternal Density
October 24th, 2009, 01:20 AM
There is a certain epic beauty to it all :D

Cold Fuzz
October 24th, 2009, 01:23 AM
This is a good show. Any show that can do this to me is a good show. I don't care about the things some people are bringing up, claiming that this isn't Stargate - all I know is the journey that these people are going on... I can feel it. Knowing they can all die - I felt that. Each characters emotional response to their situation - cut me. The utter joy I felt when the ship flew through the sun like a phoenix, my god... I was beyond words as I stared at the beauty of it all.

This is a good show. Peace :)

I hear you. I haven't been disappointed with a single episode so far. I liked SG-1 and Atlantis (though to a lesser extent) but I like the fact that SGU is so distinctly different from the other two shows. With SG-1 and Atlantis, I always got the feeling of relative safety. With SGU, the characters have so little control over their own environment that it feels like nothing is particularly safe for them. They brings with it a great deal of unpredictability. That's a very good thing for a franchise with 15 seasons worth of episodes. I hope they stay in this direction.

Adrenaholic
October 24th, 2009, 01:23 AM
I'm pretty sure the iPhone is Eli's (he used it as a flashlight in the last episode).
I also wouldn't be surprised if the dock is his too.

What else did you notice?

-Adren

Inquisitor
October 24th, 2009, 01:31 AM
Why did greer strip? :S

Joben
October 24th, 2009, 01:46 AM
This was my favourite episode of SGU so far, the characters are starting to really grow on me especially Col. Young who was great and there were a lot of great scenes. You knew they were going to survive but they still made a story and some emotion out of it.

As I said in another post I really didn't like the last 2 minutes or so which cast doubt on Rush, it just seemed a bit sudden and like something that should take longer to be figured out and exposed. That aside though, I really liked the ep.



Why did greer strip? :S

If you're flying into the sun the clothes aren't going to matter ;)

It ties into what he said earlier in the episode about being a beautiful death, he just accepted it and waited. It reminds me a bit of a scene in Sunshine

Oh forgot to mention the Chloe/Scott scene, it was a bit out of place considering there was only one other memorable scene I can remember with them (just after her father died) and she was saying how attached she felt to him, but this could be attributed to scenes being deleted and not making it in.

AvatarIII
October 24th, 2009, 01:52 AM
I'm pretty sure the iPhone is Eli's (he used it as a flashlight in the last episode).
I also wouldn't be surprised if the dock is his too.

What else did you notice?

-Adren

did eli ever get the chance to pack stuff?

EvilSpaceAlien
October 24th, 2009, 01:58 AM
I didn't think that it could get much better than last week, but it did.

The Destiny using the star to recharge. Awesome....http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/stargate/jack2/jack_new23.gif

Greer was in the brig for punching Telford. Y'know I'm starting to like Greer even more :D

It was nice to get know more about Wray. She has the potential to become an interesting character.

Don't really know what to think about the Scott/Chloe scene. I think that I liked Eli's reaction to it more.

Colonel Young was good as well. The way that he sacrificed himself without a doubt shows what kind of person he really is.

The ending with Rush: Did he, or did he not know?? Hmm.... http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/stargate/cameron/cameronanime08.gif

The VFX gets an honorable mention this week too.

9.9/10

eliteaceman
October 24th, 2009, 01:59 AM
I'm pretty sure the iPhone is Eli's (he used it as a flashlight in the last episode).
I also wouldn't be surprised if the dock is his too.

What else did you notice?

-Adren

Not to sure about that, as the music he put on was something Eli was not likely to listen to....

I'm thinking Apple is gonna be all over the series as a Dell was all over Atlantis.

The Secret Manifest:

1 Case of Iphones
1 Pack of playing cards...

To be continued!

GateroomGuard
October 24th, 2009, 02:11 AM
Well I have to say that Light has got me hooked on the show now. I was doubtful of the shows dark premise but I gladly admit it has grown on me.

I'm particuarly glad that the ship is at full power now so some exploring can be done. I dreaded the thought of every episode simply being trying to stop the ship from falling apart. Now they have a chance to see what cool stuff the Ancients left in there. Especially the thought of energy weapons to replace their guns.

I thought the idea of the Destiny being powered by suns was cool. I don't think anyone was guessing that before Darkness. I figured it would be another ZPM, thus leading to more macguffin quests. But power shouldn't be a problem with all the stars they'll come across. Power should actually be a none issue to them now.

The characters are growing on me. Their human and I can understand that, so the Scott/Chole stuff didn't really bother me. Though I am curious to see where this goes with both James and Eli now losing their prospective love interests.

All in all I'm looking forward to next week.

metabog
October 24th, 2009, 02:14 AM
Why the hell is Chloe having sex with Scott and telling him "zomg i've been so close to you" when the past episodes she's only been shown with Eli. I don't think we've even seen them together in the same scene before.

KiLL3r
October 24th, 2009, 02:27 AM
So long stargate, i will go back to watching reruns of SG1 and SGA until some DVDs spin offs of those shows appear.

It was a good run but this "new" sgu its nothing more than a soap with a few irrelevant scifi elements. So far the "crew" hasnt really done anything they are just along for the ride. There is no challenge and the only thing creating any drama is the characters themselves which is the total opposite of what the previous stargates did.

It was nice knowing you but stargate is dead to me now.

escyos
October 24th, 2009, 02:27 AM
considering rush may have been planning on going on the expedition in the first place. maybe it was part of the supplies that were put through...or they belonged to someone else.

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 02:33 AM
Probably the best episode of the season, but still not a great one. I rated the 2 episodes before below average, I will rate this one above average.

The reason I'm not more enthusiastic is always the same. Lack of real plot. While I want to like it, the episode got me a little bored. I cannot help it.

The good:
- Young, Eli, Greer and Rush are the most interesting character thus far. I like Young's leadership in this episode. Appropriately stoic.

- I like the overall tone of the series. More serious, yet some humor moment.

- Special effects are good.

- The shaky cam doesn't bother me at all

- Almost all scene felt natural. As people really dealing with the situation. Not too melodramatic (just a tad on the Kino).

The bad:

- "Light" plot was highly predictable. With no twist and turn at all. As mentioned on this forum, most people knew the Destiny was going to use the sun to refill its energy. There was not much plot twist between the beginning and the predictable end. Very linear storytelling.

- Same with the shuttle. We knew they were going to come back and the slingshot effect is hardly original.


While its understandable the character were more anxious about the possibility of dying than us, tv viewers. It still would make more sense if the characters would have mentioned then taken into account the possibility of the Destiny only refueling. Since it was pretty obvious even for us. Its not far fetched for them to think the Destiny would have some way to replenish its power during its existence.

The Chloe and Scott scene didn't bother me much but its highly contrived. The Icarus incident is just a few days away after all. They hardly had the time to really connect in any way. Chloe also deal with her grief, and the whole situation, in a strange way. Eli underplayed jealousy and him being friendenized (trying to copy a word in another post) was well played though.

Young was great as the fatherly leader of the expedition. In general, I like all the characters. They seem realistically ordinary.

Would I watch the series if its was something else than Stargate? Probably not. Somehow I still wish that with the basic life support issues dealt with pretty soon. The stories will pick up plot wise to offer us good characters dealing with adventurous situations.

6/10 (I gave 4 to the previous 2 episodes)

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 02:53 AM
I agree the show is a bit soapy. Lets hope the plot will pick up for the rest of the season. How much episode can they actually do with not much happening? The basic life support issues will be done and over with in a few episodes I think.

EvilSpaceAlien
October 24th, 2009, 02:59 AM
So long stargate, i will go back to watching reruns of SG1 and SGA until some DVDs spin offs of those shows appear.

It was a good run but this "new" sgu its nothing more than a soap with a few irrelevant scifi elements. So far the "crew" hasnt really done anything they are just along for the ride. There is no challenge and the only thing creating any drama is the characters themselves which is the total opposite of what the previous stargates did.

It was nice knowing you but stargate is dead to me now.

I respectfully disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion. http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/stargate/daniel/daniel_new_anime017.gif

morjana
October 24th, 2009, 03:00 AM
Don't you mean VFX (Visual Effects)?

SFX is special effects.

MechaThor
October 24th, 2009, 03:12 AM
Although I completely disagree as I think SGU is a marvelous show, you can believe what you want.

However I think you should atleast say for one last episode, since the next episode Water is the shows first real stand alone epsiode.

Uncle Tobias
October 24th, 2009, 03:14 AM
Terribly awesome.

yelims
October 24th, 2009, 03:15 AM
Well, I'm glad you at least gave the show a try. I happen to disagree with ya, but thats fine. :-) Cya around and I hope you enjoy the movie(s) of SG-1/SGA!
.

there wont be any movies if theres no money being made by Universe

i love the show

they really did outdo themselves

i completely lost interest in last few seasons of SG1 and Atlantis because they were so boring and predictable and just downright cheesy

yelims
October 24th, 2009, 03:18 AM
I hear you. I haven't been disappointed with a single episode so far. I liked SG-1 and Atlantis (though to a lesser extent) but I like the fact that SGU is so distinctly different from the other two shows. With SG-1 and Atlantis, I always got the feeling of relative safety. With SGU, the characters have so little control over their own environment that it feels like nothing is particularly safe for them. They brings with it a great deal of unpredictability. That's a very good thing for a franchise with 15 seasons worth of episodes. I hope they stay in this direction.

yes theres none of this mccay saves the day crap

the characters are believable, the setting is gripping, the acting is good, and the sfx and soundtrack are top notch!

after getting bored of Atlantis and later SG1 im hooked again on stargate

morjana
October 24th, 2009, 03:22 AM
I did think the whole shuttle gravity slingshot was a little contrived. You're telling me the computer could have come up with that solution?


Perhaps the Ancients didn't have the advantage of having an avian species on their planet, or even more specifically, Raptors.

I was watching a PBS Nature program the other day on Raptors (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/raptor-force/thermal-vs-dynamic-soaring/1113/) (the birds, not the jets), and one of the segments of the documentary focused on how Raptors soar has helped in jet research/upgrades.

Scientists had been aware of one type of Raptor soaring - thermal soaring - for decades, but only recently (within the last 10-15 years) because aware of dynamic soaring.

Thermal soaring ... physical basis of thermal soaring: a hot, ascending column of air. It happens when the sun heats the earth and the air above it. This creates a warm layer of air near the surface, and because of the differential in temperature between warm air and the surrounding air, it starts to rise. Birds, and sail planes and gliders, can take advantage of this rising column of air and climb several hundred meters without expending any energy.

In dynamic soaring, birds take advantage of stronger gusts of wind to increase their speed.

The Air Force has experimented in training their pilots to take advantage of dynamic soaring, to increase the speed of their aircraft by utilizing the advantage of wind gusts.

Or maybe the Ancients didn't get Star Trek. Star Trek first used the old slingshot around the planet/sun trick in season one's 'Tomorrow is Yesterday,' and it's been a staple of scifi for years.

wargrafix
October 24th, 2009, 03:23 AM
its was a snorefest...but not THAT horrible..geez.

pipi
October 24th, 2009, 03:25 AM
Oh dear. I have not cried yet. I was saying WTF a lot though at the Scott Cloe thing all episode.

renboy
October 24th, 2009, 03:28 AM
It's weird - you *know* that both the people on the Destiny and the ones on the Shuttle will survive - but all the goodbyes and handshakes really made me choke up...
And even though we barely know the characters yet, they somehow made it very easy to get attached to them and share their situation.

(Unlike later episodes of Atlantis, where even half a dozen Hives trying to destroy a single puddle jumper didn't have any emotional impact for me, and it was basically trying to figure out how that jumper will destroy all those hives in 10 minutes or so without even getting a scratch).

EvilSpaceAlien
October 24th, 2009, 03:29 AM
This is a good show. Any show that can do this to me is a good show. I don't care about the things some people are bringing up, claiming that this isn't Stargate - all I know is the journey that these people are going on... I can feel it. Knowing they can all die - I felt that. Each characters emotional response to their situation - cut me. The utter joy I felt when the ship flew through the sun like a phoenix, my god... I was beyond words as I stared at the beauty of it all.

This is a good show. Peace :)

I couldn't agree more. I don't know what to say know because you have already said everything that I wanted to say.

wargrafix
October 24th, 2009, 03:30 AM
Its was fine, but there were some teeth grating moments. I'm calling this one right now, Eli is going to ram the kino into someone's face or vice versa before the show is done.

But seriously, Chloe is meant to be with scott. Ho's need to stick together. lol. Think of how she rolls back on Earth in stargate.

MechaThor
October 24th, 2009, 03:38 AM
Another strong episode, although I did not think it was as strong as last weeks, but it was still a good watch. And with the 3 part opening and power issues now out of the way the show can really start to pick up its pace and spread its wings.

The Strongest scene was the shots of the Destiny entering the star, I loved how they made they Destiny looks so tiny. Normally in past Stargate ships that fly close to a star always look massive (or the star looks tiny), Such as in the SG-1 episode Space Race. However here the scale seemed just right, with the ship being dwarfed by the star. I just wonder what it might have looked like is that star was anything like VY Canis Majoris (look it up and be amazed).

Can't wait for Water next week

The Mighty 6 platoon
October 24th, 2009, 03:39 AM
This is a good show. Any show that can do this to me is a good show. I don't care about the things some people are bringing up, claiming that this isn't Stargate - all I know is the journey that these people are going on... I can feel it. Knowing they can all die - I felt that. Each characters emotional response to their situation - cut me. The utter joy I felt when the ship flew through the sun like a phoenix, my god... I was beyond words as I stared at the beauty of it all.

This is a good show. Peace :)

I totally agree. Having just watched it I Knew deep down that all the characters were going to survive but the acting and script in the middle section of the sp really sold that these people thought they were going to die. It was epic.


Oh dear. I have not cried yet. I was saying WTF a lot though at the Scott Cloe thing all episode.

While you might remain chaste if I thought I was going to die I wouldnít be jumping into the arms of the nearest hot girl (hell any willing girl).

Cory Holmes
October 24th, 2009, 03:40 AM
Just think, though! If Cloe and Scott hook up, that leaves Eli and Vanessa to pair up in their grief, thereby giving her the chance to prove to Eli that asking him to go with her "alone" wasn't just a contrivance to gang up on him! :cool:

Kidwizz
October 24th, 2009, 03:41 AM
OP, what time stamp is that at, i cant be bothered finding it in my HD copy.

Also, 3 people have died so far... what happened to their belongings...?

also a random sidenote, not so much a random object as a random placement... Why the hell does Eli's bunk have a kino station at it? :/

MattSilver 3k
October 24th, 2009, 03:47 AM
You know, watching the episode a second time gives me a cool list of little moments I forget to mention earlier:
- For one, the music and VFX is brilliant (Which I noticed before, but it deserves to be restated).
- The fact that all the lottery winners ran to the shuttle. I don't know why, but I like them running to get there.
- That Spencer was taking some pills before his outburst that lead to him being cold-cocked by Greer. There's something to be said there... Is Spencer some parts of an original character plan for Greer (Aka "Psycho")?
- Young giving Rush a pat on the head/ruffling his hair.
- After Young's announcement about the lotto, Eli went off into the crowd to find Chloe, and there was this moment where he saw James possibly looking for Scott. They kind of acknowledged each other before heading off separately, which was cool.
- That David Blue's reaction to seeing Scott and Chloe was really well done. I felt for the guy.

Gotta love the little moments.

Gallienus
October 24th, 2009, 03:51 AM
I'm liking SGU so far, except for the ultimately predictable plot points that have been thrown our way so far. I'm not prepared to judge the writing of the show yet though since there's still plenty of episodes left, and we're still in season 1.

As for the ship going through the sun, given the technology available on the Destiny it's not -entirely- hard to believe that it could survive through some miracle of engineering in the upper atmosphere of a red dwarf. Bearing in mind if this star were of sufficiently low mass and luminosity the temperature at the surface might be well under 3000 Kelvin, far too hot for our technology, but perhaps not for this ship. One thing they didn't mention about red dwarfs, mercifully perhaps, is their tendency to flare up violently at unpredictable intervals, sometimes increasing their luminosity by several magnitudes in a matter of minutes. This is one reason why there is alot of speculation on whether or not life would even be possible around low-mass stars, abundant as they are.

I've actually been satisfied with the science and the continuity of the show so far. Liberties have been taken, but nothing too egregious. I had opined that the Destiny might be like a bussard ramjet, and to a degree that seems to be the case; though the method of extraction was not what I expected. The writers also seem to be doing their best within the limitations of television not to insult anybodies intelligence or flood them with Voyager-esque technobabble. That I can respect.

At any rate, outside of the romantic sub plots that I can really do without, I like what I'm seeing. The show does seem to be moving a bit too slowly for some people, but surely things are going to pick up down the line. Actually I see Caprica is getting SGU's time slot on January 22 I think, I wonder if that means SGU's second half episodes will air after Capcrica's early spring run. I assume that's what they have in mind anyway. Cheers!

The Mighty 6 platoon
October 24th, 2009, 03:57 AM
So long stargate, i will go back to watching reruns of SG1 and SGA until some DVDs spin offs of those shows appear.

It was a good run but this "new" sgu its nothing more than a soap with a few irrelevant scifi elements. So far the "crew" hasnt really done anything they are just along for the ride. There is no challenge and the only thing creating any drama is the characters themselves which is the total opposite of what the previous stargates did.

It was nice knowing you but stargate is dead to me now.

Funny but in the UK most soaps dont feature spaceships flying into the sun or slingshoting round planets. Maybe thats just us though, but I really didnt think that As the World Turns was set in deep space. But anyway clear off then, cherio old fella (till next week where you will still be here complaining)

flobo
October 24th, 2009, 04:01 AM
Whenever i have watched stargate in the past, i always knew there would be episode i'd never watch again after their first airing. This has not happened yet with sgu and hope it will not. IMO, SGU kept the "good" parts of sg1/sga and took away the boring ones.

The Mighty 6 platoon
October 24th, 2009, 04:05 AM
Why did greer strip? :S

I was really wondering about that as well, well he is a bit of a nutter.

In the end I really enjoyed the episode, though the plot was quite predictable the visuals, the VFX, acting, directing, script was beautiful and really sold the idea these people thought they were doomed.

Vapor
October 24th, 2009, 04:11 AM
The "naked Greer" thing seemed natural for his character. I mean, he spoke about his impending death in an almost romantic sense, like it was a beautiful way to go out.

When you're born into the world, you're unclothed. So maybe, from a poetic point of view, it made sense to be unclothed as he left it.

Probably not what I would do, but understandable.

The Mighty 6 platoon
October 24th, 2009, 04:15 AM
The "naked Greer" thing seemed natural for his character. I mean, he spoke about his impending death in an almost romantic sense, like it was a beautiful way to go out.

When you're born into the world, you're unclothed. So maybe, from a poetic point of view, it made sense to be unclothed as he left it.

Probably not what I would do, but understandable.

I just prefer the idea that he is a bit bonkers!:)

Vapor
October 24th, 2009, 04:18 AM
The first few episodes made great attempts at drama and I enjoyed them all for what they were. Particularly from Rush, Eli, and Scott.

But "Light" is the first time I felt some serious emotion for the characters in a major way. Particularly during the lottery scene and as everyone is saying their last goodbyes to each other. Also, towards the end when they're all sitting together in the mess hall. Suddenly, there was a strong sense of togetherness, after what they had just been through. It was excellent.

I still don't know how some people can complain about Wray "whining" in the shuttle or things like that, because those are some of my favorite moments. It's not something you can technobabble your way through. It's human.

MechaThor
October 24th, 2009, 04:23 AM
OP, what time stamp is that at, i cant be bothered finding it in my HD copy.

Also, 3 people have died so far... what happened to their belongings...?

also a random sidenote, not so much a random object as a random placement... Why the hell does Eli's bunk have a kino station at it? :/

Because Eli sleeps in one of the Kino stations. I don't even think its a bed his sleeping on, more like a bench or self.

As for the iPod dock, I guess Rush had a bag near the Stargate with some of his personal items already packaged and ready to be shipped at a moments notice, like how a celebrity will request things in their dressing room, Rush might have requested some personal items for the mission.
He also seems to have taken a book with him also, maybe a change of cloths would have been smarter?

UniverseSizePlotHole
October 24th, 2009, 04:23 AM
I hear you. I haven't been disappointed with a single episode so far. I liked SG-1 and Atlantis (though to a lesser extent) but I like the fact that SGU is so distinctly different from the other two shows. With SG-1 and Atlantis, I always got the feeling of relative safety. With SGU, the characters have so little control over their own environment that it feels like nothing is particularly safe for them. They brings with it a great deal of unpredictability. That's a very good thing for a franchise with 15 seasons worth of episodes. I hope they stay in this direction.

+1 I'm completing an SG1 and SGA rewatch and it is 'distinctly different' and worth the wait week by week.