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BurningIce
October 24th, 2009, 04:35 AM
The "naked Greer" thing seemed natural for his character. I mean, he spoke about his impending death in an almost romantic sense, like it was a beautiful way to go out.


I just prefer the idea that he is a bit bonkers!:)

Probably a bit of both. I think he simply wasn't afraid of death, for whatever underlying reasons. It's like he was prepared for what was "on the other side" so to speak. Getting naked was Greer's way of showing the almighty he'd "released his burden".... now where have we heard that turn of phrase before, hmmm :)
Also, wasn't he involved with a fire when he was a kid? Can't be just a coincidence that Greer seems so at ease with dying in the "flames" of a star.....

alaskannut
October 24th, 2009, 04:40 AM
+1 I'm completing an SG1 and SGA rewatch and it is 'distinctly different' and worth the wait week by week.
Agreed:D.

When I tuned in for the premiere, I thought I would be raising a toast to the end of Stargate based on the rumors and stories I read last summer. After 5 episodes I am a hopeless addict. This show is what SGA could and should have been, and never was:)

alaskannut
October 24th, 2009, 04:43 AM
Probably a bit of both. I think he simply wasn't afraid of death, for whatever underlying reasons. It's like he was prepared for what was "on the other side" so to speak. Getting naked was Greer's way of showing the almighty he'd "released his burden".... now where have we heard that turn of phrase before, hmmm :)
Also, wasn't he involved with a fire when he was a kid? Can't be just a coincidence that Greer seems so at ease with dying in the "flames" of a star.....
The ship was inside of a star, with minimal life support....it is distinctly possible that it was getting *rather* warm inside;)

Eternal Density
October 24th, 2009, 04:49 AM
I liked most of it. I really liked the visuals of the star. I never expected Destiny would go so far as to fly into the star, so that was really cool. The music was great. The subtle character interactions were interesting - the stuff you get from the looks people give more than what they say. I liked the KINO-view of the ship, that was clever. The joking about fixing the scratch, Eli's "why am I watching this on TV?" line, the "all the fun people are here" line, the prayer, Camile's reaction to the possibility of being taken out of the lottery, all the reactions to the lottery really, Rush's happy laugh after going out to the observation deck, the whole scene with Rush asking to be taken out of the lottery was excellent, and lines such as "the light's just... came back on in my room" and "There's a rumour spreading we're still here".
Chloe's "I have probably felt closer to you in the last few days that I have felt to anybody" line doesn't feel so real to me. It makes me think "Oh really, when did that happen?" but on the other hand she did say "probably" and situations you're in at the present feel a lot more immediate than the past, so I guess it kinda makes sense.

<snip>

[edit]About Greer, I got that vibe that he was 'leaving life the way he entered' so to speak. It did seem to fit the character. And hopefully it will help put to rest certain complaints :P

UniverseSizePlotHole
October 24th, 2009, 04:52 AM
Wow muchos grande this thread is becoming - its sucking up posts like the Destiny eating a star!

Radahldo
October 24th, 2009, 05:00 AM
So what were those pills Spencer took?

StarFighter
October 24th, 2009, 05:01 AM
I have hated all the episodes so far but this was actually ok. Even though it was predictable I found the writing to be much better. Things seemed to flow better without dull or useless scenes.

I do have one major complaint though. Where the heck did the Scott/Chloe relationship come from? I know they just wanted to have some sex before they died but they were acting as if they were an old married couple. I felt this came out of nowhere and was easily the worst writing of the episode. Sorry but that relationship came out of nowhere. Total lack of development on the relationship.

Extra:
I don't think Chloe is playing Eli. I got the idea she was looking at him like he was an older brother looking out for her.

SBN
October 24th, 2009, 05:04 AM
Just think, though! If Cloe and Scott hook up, that leaves Eli and Vanessa to pair up in their grief, thereby giving her the chance to prove to Eli that asking him to go with her "alone" wasn't just a contrivance to gang up on him! :cool:

Well if this happens, and you consider all the threads people have made about Vanessa and her twins, I think Eli would be the winner and Scott the loser in most people's eyes. I say go for it Eli, you will never have as much fun.

morjana
October 24th, 2009, 05:08 AM
I enjoyed 'Darkness' last week, and really enjoyed 'Light' this week. The special effects and music were outstanding (as always), the plot was executed delightfully, the acting by Ferreira, Smith(s), Blue, Carlyle were excellent! I'm looking forward to 'Water' next week.

I do think that the women characters, particularly Chloe, are still woefully one-dimensional.

I had so many questions after the premiere episode, and slowly, these questions are being answered. We now know why Greer was in the Icarus base brig (he decked Telford), and that Rush did speak with Lt. Gen. O'Neill (answered in Darkness) back in Air Parts 1 & 2.

Hopefully this trend will continue -- answering some questions from previous episodes as new questions arise from new episodes.

The Mighty 6 platoon
October 24th, 2009, 05:09 AM
To dislike the show is to troll, which means that to "participate" by implication means to express much love only.

Geez, really? Thats how it is?

I don't care if anyone responds. The franchise had me for 15 years, I've paid my dues. More of the same this episode, conduct unbecoming from our military and more sex.

I'm sorry to bring this particular post from pages ago back up but this really pissed me off. There is a thread in the main universe forum about the military and its portrayal with a bunch of us who serve saying that SGU has some of the most realistic portrayals of military characters in a tough situation. I'm sorry if you think everyone in the military is a 7ft tall fighting machine who is fearless in the face of danger but that is not how it is. People in the military are human like the rest of people, they crack under enough pressure and they make mistakes.

Phenom
October 24th, 2009, 05:10 AM
Drama: Check
Emotion: Check
Plot Devices: GREEN
SUSPENSE: OFF THE SCALE


Light was perfect in almost every way.
Good Job Writers...Finally...

Could not agree more. It was my Wow episode and I couldn't be happier. God it was fricken great.

Didn't get the sex scene but hey besides that it was almost perfect in every way.

GateLadyM
October 24th, 2009, 05:10 AM
It was slow, but at least we got a bit more of Camille Wray, Young came across better to me and Greer is awesome! Rush is still made of WIN!. Music is terrific. Wonky camera still gives me a headache.

Note to Eli: Dude, that girl is a sl*t. Forget her.

Note to Chloe: Seems you forgot your dead dad from a day or so ago, but playing one guy and sleeping with another is not good, especially when the guy you are sleeping with will sleep with anyone (then ask the Lord for forgiveness - *hurls*). Grow up or hit the airlock!

Scott definitely needs to be airlocked.

Skydiver
October 24th, 2009, 05:12 AM
So what were those pills Spencer took?
spencer is probably an issue that'll come up...anyone amongst the survivors with a chronic medical condition that needs regular meds....well either they find a replicator on the ship to make them or some alien equivalent, or people will die due to lack of meds

imagine if you were a diabetic and needed insulin. without it you either try to control your blood sugar with food or you will die, sooner rather than later

thekillman
October 24th, 2009, 05:16 AM
to resolve the plot without character intervention.

really, there was a problem, nobody did anything, and the problem solved itself!

Skydiver
October 24th, 2009, 05:19 AM
To dislike the show is to troll, which means that to "participate" by implication means to express much love only.

No. And this will not be debated here, however, troll posts are the flyby, drop in, say nothing but 'omg,t his crap sucks' and leave.

If anyone wants to DISCUSS thier issues, fine, Please Discuss.

I support anyone that might not like the show that wants to talk about it. But the fly by posts - especially those by 'new' members of the forum that just have to make an account, join a community, JUST to post about how horrible something is, are wearing all of us down and they seem to be fantastically pointless.

THOSE are trolls.

those are the people to not dignify their post with a response.

If anyone wants to continue this via PM, i'm open. But let's keep this thread about Light please.

Eternal Density
October 24th, 2009, 05:19 AM
I know BSG is popular and all, but there's no reason to ascribe everything that comes after it as "ripping it off", since it's a boring, sensless, unoriginal, unenertaining piece of tripe. So there, take that.Adding to that, I think calling SGU a ripoff of BSG (and a whole list of other things) had gotten to old that doing so is boring, senseless, unoriginal and un-entertaining. But that's just to me, I'm sure some people enjoy doing so and I won't begrudge them that.

SBN
October 24th, 2009, 05:26 AM
Adding to that, I think calling SGU a ripoff of BSG (and a whole list of other things) had gotten to old that doing so is boring, senseless, unoriginal and un-entertaining. But that's just to me, I'm sure some people enjoy doing so and I won't begrudge them that.

Again I will reiterate that my brother saw SGU for the first time last week. He never once liked Stargate, but did like BSG. He had no idea why there are comparisons to BSG as the shows are nothing alike, but for the first time he actually likes a Stargate show. Funny that.

SBN
October 24th, 2009, 05:30 AM
No. And this will not be debated here, however, troll posts are the flyby, drop in, say nothing but 'omg,t his crap sucks' and leave.

If anyone wants to DISCUSS thier issues, fine, Please Discuss.

I support anyone that might not like the show that wants to talk about it. But the fly by posts - especially those by 'new' members of the forum that just have to make an account, join a community, JUST to post about how horrible something is, are wearing all of us down and they seem to be fantastically pointless.

THOSE are trolls.

those are the people to not dignify their post with a response.

If anyone wants to continue this via PM, i'm open. But let's keep this thread about Light please.

Just be glad you don't have to moderate over at Syfy's forums, where Friday night becomes Mansquito Flamebait night.

Jonzey
October 24th, 2009, 05:44 AM
I'm confused. People say that whole slingshot thing with the shuttle is overdone and predictable, but if it didn't happen people would be screaming ''omg plothole PLOTHOLE!!! Why didn't they slingshot round the planet??!!11!!''

Skydiver
October 24th, 2009, 05:48 AM
welcome to fandom :)

no matter what they do, some will think it's a 'why didn't they do it sooner' idea, others will declare it a plot hole.

just the way things are

FoolishPleasure
October 24th, 2009, 05:59 AM
The first 30 minutes was boring, even the lottery was boring, but then it seemed a bunch of "red shirts" got on the shuttle, with a couple regs, and I thought, wow, the writers finally got some cajones and are gonna kill off all these folks in one cool swoop!

Alas, it was not to be. We are still stuck with the Chloe/Scott/Eli triangle of fail. Someone please kill off Chloe, she is just horrid!

Greer punched out that dude during the lottery, and that WAS cool. The guy is a loose cannon but a good soldier. More Greer!!! Young I'm liking better. Rush wasn't so manic which I liked. A crazed Rush all the time would get old fast. Eli was more restrained. I like him better when he isn't spewing jokes. He needs a nice girl, just not Chloe. He can do better than her.

As for Scott. Sigh. I loved the guy in Air I. A young John Sheppard, I thought. Now he just turns my stomach. Seriously, I just can't stand him now. How does a character move from being so good one week, to gawd-awful for me within a few episodes? I'd love to see Chloe/Scott get written out because I think the other characters are becoming more interesting and we don't need the sex/soap angle to keep this show going. Heck, I don't mind the sex, but James (boob lady) comes across as more interesting than Chloe. At least James is still up to doing her job professionally. Chloe has no job other than to bag men it seems.

I know it won't do any good to keep complaining about the shaking camera, but I'm gonna anyway. Hate it!

coZma
October 24th, 2009, 06:03 AM
Well, it was one of the most impressive episodes i have ever seen. If they keep it up this show is gonna be a gem in the stargate franchise. This is what i was looking for ever since Atlantis first aired and they finally nailed it.Good job!

Atlanis
October 24th, 2009, 06:08 AM
I understand why Eli feals jurked around by Chole cause she was comming on to him a bit in the last four eps now she's jumping the bones of Lt. Scott and it seams that when scott isn't around she latches onto Eli and that last shot of Chole and Eli is very telling she hugs him and literly pushes him away so she can get to Scott, Chole while seaming nice is a slick user thou I do think that she has some feelings for Eli but not strong enough for a relationship and I hope they do hook up cause they same a natural couple
And I loved the fact that Greer's charges were about him thumping Telford! and I agree with Young Telford probably deserved it he certanly did when he tried to get Scott to report back that Young was incompatent!

OutandAboot
October 24th, 2009, 06:19 AM
Best Stargate episode since First Contact. It was beautiful and had good moments. Especially when the shuttle leaved and they got the first glimpse of Destiny.

CaptainMorgan
October 24th, 2009, 06:28 AM
I'm confused. People say that whole slingshot thing with the shuttle is overdone and predictable, but if it didn't happen people would be screaming ''omg plothole PLOTHOLE!!! Why didn't they slingshot round the planet??!!11!!''

The problem with it, which was pointed out earlier in this thread is that of course the shuttle would have been able to calculate that course.

I would have preferred if the shuttle either wasn't 100 percent functional or they just didn't know how to use it completely yet and it took some quick work by "math boy" to make things happen.

Past that, here are my issues with the episode. I'd like to preface my complaints by saying I loved the episode, but always believe in being critical for the sake of appreciating the good and improving the bad.

I already mentioned briefly in another thread that Eli and Rush not seeing it coming is pretty dumb when most of us could have called it. The writers didn't want to come out and say what was going to happen, but the situation needed addressed. They did that a little with the big Rush question at the end, but I don't believe Rush knew based on his reaction to the power coming on and what he was doing before hand. Eli has it right, there is no way Rush knew if you were watching his actions during the sequence of events. The notion that he suspected this and took a gamble may carry some weight and still give the show what it wants in terms of conflict between Rush and other characters.

Probably my biggest issue with the episode is that the Destiny was leaving the shuttle behind. Even if the ship didn't care about the people on it, I'd imagine the ancients would want it to care about still having shuttles on it when they get there. The writers wanted some extra drama after the predictable (yet awesome) event of refueling and didn't want everything to be resolved in one sweeping motion. The bigger issue with making the Destiny care about the shuttle though is that it would be a broken plot device since anytime the crew couldn't get back through the gate by the timer they could just send out the shuttle until they get back. The writers would have to create a way for this to not work, such as breaking the shuttle or somehow limiting its use.

I know there were some other things, but thats all I can come up with at the moment.

nemesis24
October 24th, 2009, 06:34 AM
I really liked this weeks ep, i have to say after the first four eps i was interested but felt something was missing - this ep had it all. But one thing i particularly liked about it was for the last 20min i was expecting Rush or 'Math boy' to figure out how to solve their problem and become instant heros but in this you were on the edge of your seat wondering how they were going to get out of this one.

Greer is a character i think i will like more and more as the season goes on, i was worried he would be that typical soldier in that Lt Ford mould but i thought he really came into his own. Needless to say i really cannot wait till next weeks ep!

TENTHIUS
October 24th, 2009, 06:38 AM
I agree with this.

scruffyisasuperhero
October 24th, 2009, 06:52 AM
Excellent episode, best one yet. Even though it was obvious that the ship wasn't going to be destroyed there was a real sense of danger and hopelessness. Watching what all the characters were going through knowing that they were either going to die or to have to struggle to survive revealed more about them. All of the characters seem to be getting more interesting every episode.

I was also glad to see that the communication stones weren't used again this week. I was starting to get worried that every episode would have an earth based sub-plot.

It was obvious that the ship was going to use the sun to recharge its power but it was very cool watching it fly in and out of the sun. I'm really starting to love this show.

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 07:00 AM
I liked Darkness better, if only because the ending to Light was fairly predictable.
Still, the music and good VFX still made those moments enjoyable.

I quite liked it, especially the whole Rush thing. One moment he seems cool, the next you gotta wonder about him again...A lot of work, alright...

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 07:02 AM
Oh, and Greer decking Telford = EPIC WIN!
Hopefully we get a flashback of that soon.

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 07:14 AM
SFX is special effects.Yeah, and ever since the advent of digital effects, the two have been separated, VFX referring to basically everything that couldn't be done in-camera and instead used digital means - creation and manipulation of images OUTSIDE of live-action.
Special effects are now considered exclusively on-set mechanics(props, pyrotechnics) and in-camera tricks.
So...Seeing as he was talking about CG shots, he was right. VFX.

Pointless rant over.

Cory Holmes
October 24th, 2009, 07:16 AM
Pointless rant over.

Not pointless. "Educational."

Arative
October 24th, 2009, 07:19 AM
It's a little more than that. But it's not like they're making plans to move in together and start a family or anything. The relationship development is fine IMO.

I meant more that, we haven't seen any development towards a relationship. To me, it seemed like, we're gonna die, lets bang like drums.

Cory Holmes
October 24th, 2009, 07:21 AM
I meant more that, we haven't seen any development towards a relationship. To me, it seemed like, we're gonna die, lets bang like drums.

And the problem with that is...? :cool: Personally, I can think of worse reasons.

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 07:25 AM
And the problem with that is...? :cool: Personally, I can think of worse reasons.Indeed.
Though Chloe does seem smitten with the good Lieutenant...

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 07:31 AM
Indeed.
Though Chloe does seem smitten with the good Lieutenant...

which is why I hope some follow up to the rushness of sex is explored. Like when she finds out Lt. James. I will probably hurt Chloe in umimaginable ways

Bebbe777
October 24th, 2009, 07:34 AM
I'm glad that Vanessa James (Julia Benson) got a bit more screentime in this episode than she usually get although no dialog which was a let down. The look she gave Eli in the beginning was kinda fun.

morjana
October 24th, 2009, 07:44 AM
Watching 'Light' again in HD on HULU (http://www.hulu.com/watch/104351/stargate-universe-light) (I've got to sell my pet rock collection and buy one of those HD TV's) -- wow, the SFX are awesome.

Also noticed in the lottery scene, the music reminds me of a similar theme in SG1 (I call it the worry/waiting theme) in the earlier seasons.

Pandora's_Box
October 24th, 2009, 07:53 AM
which is why I hope some follow up to the rushness of sex is explored. Like when she finds out Lt. James. I will probably hurt Chloe in umimaginable ways

I certainly hope not. That would be going into soapy terrritory.

I hope Chloe doesn't think she's his first and seeing as his "relationship" with James happened before he'd even met Chloe it shouldn't matter at all.

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 07:57 AM
which is why I hope some follow up to the rushness of sex is explored. Like when she finds out Lt. James. I will probably hurt Chloe in umimaginable ways
You just want to see her hurt so you can call Scott a ******* then fantasize about using the stones and giving her a shoulder to cry on. Then you'd totally take advantage of the situation...

Stormtrooper
October 24th, 2009, 07:57 AM
Lt. James could be a truly great character, but I'm afraid TPTB see her just as an inflatable doll to sex up the show.

Bebbe777
October 24th, 2009, 08:00 AM
Lt. James could be a truly great character, but I'm afraid TPTB see her just as an inflatable doll to sex up the show.

As you do :P *Looking at the signature*

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 08:00 AM
I certainly hope not. That would be going into soapy terrritory.

I hope Chloe doesn't think she's his first and seeing as his "relationship" with James happened before he'd even met Chloe it shouldn't matter at all.

Their is a fine line between explanation and soap opera. Given Scott's backstory and the suddeness of the Light sex scene their need to be some kind of ramification.

And it could matter depending on what the relationship between Scott and James was.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 08:01 AM
You just want to see her hurt so you can call Scott a ******* then fantasize about using the stones and giving her a shoulder to cry on. Then you'd totally take advantage of the situation...

What ever gave you that idea?:weiranime42:

*is innocent*

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 08:02 AM
Innocent, you say?
Well, why don't you sit down in this here circle of fire. If you burn, you're innocent...

Stormtrooper
October 24th, 2009, 08:06 AM
I'm protesting :)

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 08:16 AM
Alas, her kinos weren't put to use this episode...
Maybe once Chloe starts following Scott around like a crazy stalker(well, it WOULD make her character interesting), James will fight for her man...Maybe dressed in a bikini and in mud...With nekkid Greer as the referee...

FoolishPleasure
October 24th, 2009, 08:18 AM
Their is a fine line between explanation and soap opera. Given Scott's backstory and the suddeness of the Light sex scene their need to be some kind of ramification.

And it could matter depending on what the relationship between Scott and James was.

See, Scott already faced "ramifications" of his acts with a 16 year old girl. He bangs away on James, then jumps on Chloe (OMG, we are gonna die so we must engage in SEX!). If she (or James. . or BOTH!! :p) ends up in an unwanted condition, that will be the 2nd (or 3rd? *LOL*) time Christian boy Scott has faced "ramifications" of his actions.

That is beyond soap. That would be just plain old bad writing.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 08:23 AM
See, Scott already faced "ramifications" of his acts with a 16 year old girl. He bangs away on James, then jumps on Chloe (OMG, we are gonna die so we must engage in SEX!). If she (or James. . or BOTH!! :p) ends up in an unwanted condition, that will be the 2nd (or 3rd? *LOL*) time Christian boy Scott has faced "ramifications" of his actions.

That is beyond soap. That would be just plain old bad writing.

Ramfications or consquences of actions come in all shapes and sizes. Some can be soap operay while others are just basic character development

s09119
October 24th, 2009, 08:28 AM
See, Scott already faced "ramifications" of his acts with a 16 year old girl. He bangs away on James, then jumps on Chloe (OMG, we are gonna die so we must engage in SEX!). If she (or James. . or BOTH!! :p) ends up in an unwanted condition, that will be the 2nd (or 3rd? *LOL*) time Christian boy Scott has faced "ramifications" of his actions.

That is beyond soap. That would be just plain old bad writing.

I agree. So far, that scene was the one bad part of the show; James worked, the teenage thing was fine, this, while reasonable... added nothing useful.

morjana
October 24th, 2009, 08:33 AM
See, Scott already faced "ramifications" of his acts with a 16 year old girl. He bangs away on James, then jumps on Chloe (OMG, we are gonna die so we must engage in SEX!). If she (or James. . or BOTH!! :p) ends up in an unwanted condition, that will be the 2nd (or 3rd? *LOL*) time Christian boy Scott has faced "ramifications" of his actions.

That is beyond soap. That would be just plain old bad writing.

As a 16 year old, being raised by a Catholic priest, Scott may not have had the all the options/information available to him that he has as a 25 year old US Air Force officer.

Also, the US Military does provide condoms.

You're also assuming that two young, healthy women (James and Chloe), both active in their careers, aren't also employing birth control.

escyos
October 24th, 2009, 08:37 AM
The ship was inside of a star, with minimal life support....it is distinctly possible that it was getting *rather* warm inside;)

no it turned everything on as it was going into the star, recharging as it went.

FoolishPleasure
October 24th, 2009, 08:47 AM
As a 16 year old, being raised by a Catholic priest, Scott may not have had the all the options/information available to him that he has as a 25 year old US Air Force officer.

Also, the US Military does provide condoms.

You're also assuming that two young, healthy women (James and Chloe), both active in their careers, aren't also employing birth control.

I have nothing against sex or nudity and I made a post in another thread that I will repeat here.

The Chloe/Scott relationship is a mess. We know Scott bangs on women. . .a lot. Chloe hangs on men. . .a lot (seems to lead them on as well - poor Eli). It makes them both look like immature ho's.

The Greer scene, OTOH, was very well done. He went off to face his death. He was nakey, yeah. It gave the audience a little eye candy, but it was mature, it fit his character, and it WORKED.

The writers seem to go back and forth between juvenile fratboy sex humor, and very adult, well done scenes. I just can't live with both. I'd rather have sexual and/or nudity situations that are ADULT, MATURE, and well done. Scenes that fit the situations and the characters (I'm looking forward to how they are going to deal with Wray).

In other words, the "OMG, Eli, its DARK in the shower!! Save me!" crapola has to go!

Briangate78
October 24th, 2009, 09:12 AM
Ok, so here is my take on this episode. It was the best episode since Air part 3. There was a lot of excitement to this episode and a lot of drama. The character moments were excellent all around. Some of my favorite scenes were with Rush and Young. Those two really feed off eachother. It's like you don't know if they like or hate eachother but try to get along for the sake of survival. My favorite repitious line from Young, "Needs a lot of work". Which is referring to Rush's people skills. Rush has been one of my favorite characters, but Young is quickly rising to the top. He has that cool dry attitude and I love it. Greer also has been scoring some points with me, especially the coversation between him and Young which makes him look more like a good guy than a bad guy. Also, when he knocks out the other guy that was an excellent moment. Finally the Scott and Chloe thing did not mesh with me, but I liked Eli's reaction. Because Eli to me represents how some of the viewers will likely feel, which is, "Already", "WTF", "That was quick". So that was a good job by Eli's reaction. Oh and the Rush and Young bit at the end........Rush did not know about the ship recharging, but he speculated it, that is why he stayed.

Now getting to the story since this was a more plot driven ep to me. The story with the lottery was well done and I think it made sense how they chose the people. I am glad they are getting off the ship and exploring. I am glad they did not have the crowd go into a panic or try to start a revolution. Greer's knock out was brilliant and no other person said a word. Young handled the situation very well and calmly from the start of the episode. Anyway, I know next episode is going to be more exploration and alien encounters. That is what I am striving for with this series. I know this is Stargate and it will happen. The character drama to me is just an extra bonus I've been striving for to go with an excellent story/plot.

SO BRING ON THE NEXT EP!!! :)

matzuva
October 24th, 2009, 09:20 AM
[QUOTE=Saquist;10739208]Drama: Check
Emotion: Check
Plot Devices: GREEN
SUSPENSE: OFF THE SCALE


off the scale ??????????
WTF...
SORRY but i realise the show is new.....
BUT SUCH BOOORRRRIINNGGG **** IS NOT WORTH MY TIME....

it seems the recession hit the writers imagination too.


i love sg... but it is a big blody shame....

Jonzey
October 24th, 2009, 09:28 AM
You know what I like? I'm far more interested in characters which at first didn't seem that interesting to me. Like Young and Greer. I thought they were both fantastic this week and probably two of the best characters.

More thoughts later.

Kaiphantom
October 24th, 2009, 09:29 AM
There is a joke floating around: "How can you tell that The Watchmen is Science Fiction?"

The answer? "Because the hot chick jumps the nerdy guy."

Part of me is glad that Stargate: Universe is Science Reality. The other part of me wants to shove Chloe out an airlock. Not too long ago she was crying for Eli, who did more for her than Mr. Heroic Good-looking military guy did. And yet who does she decide to bang?

Geeks and nerds - Being the "good friends" of dumb women for hundreds of years.

What, me bitter? >.>

I hope they don't turn this into a soap, either. I'm willing to give this ep somewhat of a pass because it was originally one episode and so I gather they added more time filler in it. But it did move quite slow.

Anyway, decent episode, even though I pretty much saw it coming. I figured standard solar power, as you can get a LOT of power from hyper-efficient solar panels close to the sun (and I would assume the Ancients would have perfected solar panels). So the dip into the sun surprised me a bit, but I figured Destiny was going to get power somehow.

But the story here really isn't that; the situation is a B-plot to the character interactions, how it affects them. I can't say much for the others, but I will talk a bit about Dr. Rush.

Did he see it coming? The nerd in me considered long ago that the Destiny was going to get power from the Sun somehow. Even if I was on that ship, with no guarantee I'd live to see another episode, I'd at least think of the possibility. I've seen Destiny react to needs before, and a star is a big power source.

So if Dr. Rush figured there was a chance of that, why didn't he say anything to the crew? A scientist's mind is logical. If I were him, I would be getting sick of people constantly giving me a hard time (in his own viewpoint). I would want them to trust me. I mean, just earlier when the power was shutting down, Young asked him if he was the one doing that, and Rush replied, "Is that what you think!?"

So, logically, he realizes he needs the crew to trust him to handle things, and giving up a spot on the lifeboat is a brave act that generally endears a person to others.

On the other hand, if I were him and I *knew* for a fact that Destiny was going to get destroyed, I'd still stay on the ship. I'd have no desire to take a chance to maybe eke out a farmer existence, especially when there isn't room for everyone.

So, giving this episode a passing grade for now, hoping that things improve. Plot needs to move a bit faster, as there is only so much character development and angst you can push at me.

blackcat124gt
October 24th, 2009, 09:35 AM
The big question: Did Rush know what was going to happen?

That is a good question. And if he did than how? I mean stop and think about it, so far he been ahead of everyone else even though they can't access the main systems. He knew how to tell the ship what they needed, that the ship was losing power, why the ship locked the other gate addresses out, that it would survive, and much much more so far... He also made the point to tell that other guy that the Destiny predates Lantean Technology which is why it doesn't require the gene. Now how could he had known that. Honestly the Ancient Database only had the address, yet I think he knew that it would connect to a ship all along. This Rush character isn't an enemy, but he isn't exactly being one hundred percent honest either.

Also the post above is correct about Chloe, she isn't stupid, it is that she is acting real stupid cause she lost her dad.

Edited again: Yes I agree with you about staying on the ship, but the fact is he been ahead so much with so little information. Yes I knew as well that the Destiny had planned to use the sun, but still Dr. Rush has been ahead so much I'm beginning to question him completely...

Lets stop and think about this for a few seconds, Rodney McKay, he was a expert on Ancient and Asgard technology, just like half of the million other tech experts. They all knew something about technology they had access too, but Rush is the leading tech expert of Ancient Technology period, even though a majority of the technology on the Destiny is so old that the Ancients stop building them when they created Atlantis. Sort of like the PS1 to the PS3 concept, ps1 isn't made anymore and ps3 really doesn't have any ps1 features that I am aware of.

beafly
October 24th, 2009, 09:43 AM
The episode was more of the same for me. Un-interesting character drama set against predictable plot movement.

I think that the drama and production quality is as good as anything else on TV, but I'm frankly not interested. If I want drama there are countless shows on TV that fit the bill.

My Stargate addiction in the past was in large part because it was a wonderful escape, full of science and fantasy to marvel at, and superhero characters to enjoy. SGU is thus far, not that for me. It is Grey's Anatomy, only slower paced and more predictable.

At least for this guy, when you add up slow pace and predictable you get boring.

Coronach
October 24th, 2009, 09:55 AM
Part of me is glad that Stargate: Universe is Science Reality. The other part of me wants to shove Chloe out an airlock. Not too long ago she was crying for Eli, who did more for her than Mr. Heroic Good-looking military guy did. And yet who does she decide to bang?

Okay, I must ask as I've seen it everywhere on GW and even one of my friends who watched the episode feels this way. But what exactly has Eli done for Chloe that is substantially more than Scott did?

I think there are two possibilities:

1) I'm completely missing it...somehow.
2) People just happen to be rooting for Eli more, and are disproportionately imagining that he was somehow closer to Chloe.

If I recall correctly, the two men spent nearly the same amount of time with each other (on-screen), and nothing was implied otherwise.

Feel free to correct me, though, as I've been stumped by a lot of these comments :S

Briangate78
October 24th, 2009, 10:00 AM
Okay, I must ask as I've seen it everywhere on GW and even one of my friends who watched the episode feels this way. But what exactly has Eli done for Chloe that is substantially more than Scott did?

I think there are two possibilities:

1) I'm completely missing it...somehow.
2) People just happen to be rooting for Eli more, and are disproportionately imagining that he was somehow closer to Chloe.

If I recall correctly, the two men spent nearly the same amount of time with each other (on-screen), and nothing was implied otherwise.

Feel free to correct me, though, as I've been stumped by a lot of these comments :S

Plus, Eli saw her naked first. :p

Coronach
October 24th, 2009, 10:02 AM
Plus, Eli saw her naked first. :p

Ah, so that's the deciding factor. No wonder I wasn't getting it :P

tasev1
October 24th, 2009, 10:07 AM
Stargate can't possibly remain the same, and stay successful. We need change. Personally, I feel that this Universe has changed so drastically from Stargate it doesn't feel like SG anymore. BUT>>>>> I stil LOVE this show. It is so DIFFERENT and UNIQUE, and the style in which they are shooting it is AMAZING - I can't not love the show. Regardless of it's title or impact.

The fusion of several sci-fi concepts (visually speaking), and the REAL characters make it possible. Thus far, the episodes have been simple by comparisson, not to mention predictable in many ways. BUT the execution is so well done, it sticks me to the screen.

Less
October 24th, 2009, 10:13 AM
There is a joke floating around: "How can you tell that The Watchmen is Science Fiction?"

The answer? "Because the hot chick jumps the nerdy guy."



How can you tell that SGU is Science Fiction?

Because the Senator sacrifices HIMSELF to save OTHERS.

Though really, he knew he was gonna die anyway so he decided to die in the shuttle rather than lying in bed, giving himself a hero's death and ensuring his legacy. So maybe it really WAS the typical selfish politician thing. Hmmm.

IcarusAbides
October 24th, 2009, 10:15 AM
Alas, her kinos weren't put to use this episode...
Maybe once Chloe starts following Scott around like a crazy stalker(well, it WOULD make her character interesting), James will fight for her man...Maybe dressed in a bikini and in mud...With nekkid Greer as the referee...
More naked Greer, obsessed much.

GateroomGuard
October 24th, 2009, 10:27 AM
I like Lt. James and I hope she makes it to next season. I like that they are building up their secondary characters, hopefully in later episodes she'll get more screentime.

I did notice she seemed rather shocked that she won the lottery. She had to get Young's nod before she left.

kymeric
October 24th, 2009, 10:27 AM
You know whats messed up? I would killed myself rather than wait for the big burning end. Lol.

I really felt the farewells between Greer and Young. The whole episode was a hear twister.

I didnt like the boinking at the beginning but prolly cuz ive been in elis situation exactly before. Whats worse if the girl eventually falls of Eli. A real WTF situation.

Destiny > Stars. Pretty cool way to refuel. I vote we reclassify Destiny as a character not a setting. Clearly it thinks, it just dosent pontificate and tell anyone what its doing. Makes sense it "Feeds" on stars. Theyre the biggest powersource in its "environment" of space. I suspect the ships that seeded gates did the same and also "fed" on naquada asteroids/planets. Kinda beggs the question of what exactly is an organism. Destiny is at least at the level of the original block replicators. It just has different life goals.

Intresting about Rush that he goes out of his way to put a barrier between him and everyone else. Everybody at the table responded to it based on their relationship to him. Eli was joking and dismissed it, Scott treated it as not relevant to their situation, TJ wanted to just drop it, Young looked at it like another area to work on rush with, and Chole didnt say anything. Quite the character piece right there.

I wonder what the Destiny thinks of its crew. If theyre like its children, or if it sees them like we do stomach bacteria; doing their job for the greater whole. It stopped to let the crew repair its oxygen recyclers, but didnt wait for the shuttle. Do i care if a few of the bacteria that help me digest food get wasted?

Caught that one soldier with the short fuse taking meds, if its what i think it is its gonna blow when he runs out. Hope they have some more of that med in the supplies they brought. If thats all he has he should start rationing so when he does finally run out he dosent have to deal with withdrawal AND the underlying mental condition. If he spaces them out itll give him time to get used to the mental changes with a decreased dose, then when its gone itll be more stable, rather than cold turkey and going crazy all at once.


Good point. I had referred to Scott as a gigolo in a different thread. I wonder what the proper term is for a male tramp?

However, my point was more that depicting women in this manner is degrading. But it is true it is also degrading to men as well.

I believe the phrase is a HIMbo A male bimbo... XD

I think Rush suspected that the ship had a plan, but he couldnt count on it. He did seem seriously suprised when he saw the time. Like /doubletake Wtf? Were not dead?

The_Asgard_live
October 24th, 2009, 10:37 AM
I'm sorry to bring this particular post from pages ago back up but this really pissed me off.

Shrug.


I'm sorry if you think everyone in the military is a 7ft tall fighting machine who is fearless in the face of danger but that is not how it is. People in the military are human like the rest of people, they crack under enough pressure and they make mistakes.

Hrm. Okay, and I am sorry you only offer false dichotomies. I said "more conduct unbecoming from our military" which is EXACTLY what was shown in the episode. You added "7ft tall fighting machines" "fearless", "etc...".

Meanwhile, I'll point out that it is the civilians with no training that are seeming to be handling things better than the craptacular bottom of the barrel elite military that is apparently stuck on the ship. (Young is okay)

"Realistic portrayals of military characters in a tough situation" Aren't they put through rigorous training to specifically be able to handle extreme situations? Especially SGC personnel? Vetting through some psych evals?

They aren't even engaged in combat. Complaining, conniving, disobeying orders, threaten to shoot civilians in the face, mutiny and my personal fav... dressed in all black on a desert recon? After only 3 days! What country's military are you slamming with the label of realistic portrayal?

Indoctrinated
October 24th, 2009, 10:38 AM
More naked Greer, obsessed much.

When a TV show gives you men with hot bods, you demand to see more of said hot bods.

Alder
October 24th, 2009, 10:40 AM
...Some of my favorite scenes were with Rush and Young. Those two really feed off each other...
...Greer also has been scoring some points with me, especially the coversation between him and Young which makes him look more like a good guy than a bad guy. Also, when he knocks out the other guy that was an excellent moment...
...Finally the Scott and Chloe thing did not mesh with me, but I liked Eli's reaction...
...I am glad they did not have the crowd go into a panic or try to start a revolution.
Lots of bits and bobs I agreed with, so no point me typing them out again...:P

Definitely enjoying the interaction between Rush and Young (looks like I prefer the grown-ups...) although I'm sorry that the understanding they seemed to reach mid-episode was dented again at the end.

And the conversation between Young and Greer was a good example of slipping a little backstory in on both characters without the "here we have some backstory, listen while we explain stuff to you" feeling that I was getting from some of the flashbacks. (Woah, Young, really dislikes Telford, doesn't he? Wonder what the history is between them? And what he said or did for Greer to deck him.)

The Scott/Chloe thing...*sigh*...I could really have lived without. And I thought Eli's reaction was actually a bit huffy, given that he met the lassie, what, under four days ago?

One other thing I noticed about this episode - much like 'Air', I really enjoyed the last 10 minutes - a lot! - but found the first 30 a bit patchy. I hope they can improve on those numbers as it progresses...

IcarusAbides
October 24th, 2009, 10:41 AM
When a TV show gives you men with hot bods, you demand to see more of said hot bods.
Fair Enough

batkinson001
October 24th, 2009, 10:56 AM
my impressions after watching Light.

ship is ugly on the outside design-wise.
ship is over powered as hell.
Characters need further development...

the episode was good but unfortunately after the end of the first half of Season 5 of Atlantis, the writing team is starting to lose what made them amazing... the unfortunately weak pilot for Universe is proof of this...

I will continue to watch regardless, since the only other good tv on these days is Sanctuary (freaking amazing!)

eliteaceman
October 24th, 2009, 11:04 AM
The consoles die... and no one even attempts to find a way to turn them on or power them.... they just give up...


What would Rodney/Atlantis Do?

You know Rodney would of spend every second to his death to try to fix something, ive seen the magic tablets in the background.... OF course Rod probably would of figured everything out on day 1... Which could of led them to messing up the auto pilot causing them to die ;-)

And as a Bonus what would SG1 Do?

I also thing SAM would of spent all her time trying to get the ship running. She probably would of just blew up the star, and the ship would of missed the recharge!


---

I was hoping to put more into this post but my creativity just went into a black hole, feel free to add any characters actions... I just think it would be fun to see what people thing the other teams would do...

MedKen
October 24th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Can we PLEASE have some original plot lines here? This last episode was written by one of the long time stargate writers, so I expected better. The bio blurbs Eli was making has been done before and better--boring. Why does the thin young guy with the big gun always get the girl in the end? For god sakes, this is Sci Fi...let the chubby smart kid have a whack at it why dont you....and how predictable was the ending..we know the ship isnt going to blow up and we know the cast isnt going to die in an inferno, so the only logical conclusion was the ship was going into the sun to refuel. Sex and skin are okay when appropriate..let it rip..but lets have a damn plot that makes the salaciousness worthwhile watching. Thrill and surprise us and you will have another winning franchise on your hands.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 11:12 AM
Can we PLEASE have some original plot lines here? This last episode was written by one of the long time stargate writers, so I expected better. The bio blurbs Eli was making has been done before and better--boring. Why does the thin young guy with the big gun always get the girl in the end? For god sakes, this is Sci Fi...let the chubby smart kid have a whack at it why dont you....and how predictable was the ending..we know the ship isnt going to blow up and we know the cast isnt going to die in an inferno, so the only logical conclusion was the ship was going into the sun to refuel. Sex and skin are okay when appropriate..let it rip..but lets have a damn plot that makes the salaciousness worthwhile watching. Thrill and surprise us and you will have another winning franchise on your hands.

Their haven't been original ideas for decades. You think Stargate was the first show to use a device to travel across planets in a second?:P

stahscream
October 24th, 2009, 11:21 AM
What would Rodney/Atlantis Do?


Well, knowing Rodney he wouldn't have had a dramatic stare to the team saying "the power is gone, it's just gone...we're so screwed"...and then it would cut to commercial.

then about at the 42 min mark he would have had a great idea to fix the problem, lol. i bet he would have said to use the shuttle's propulsin to throw the destiny off course just enough that it would avoid the sun :)

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 11:25 AM
Rodney would have used the recycling system to turn his...you know...into ZPMs.

HAL2100
October 24th, 2009, 11:26 AM
Rush just can't catch a break.

kymeric
October 24th, 2009, 11:27 AM
Their haven't been original ideas for decades. You Stargate was the first show to use a device to travel across planets in a second?:P

Nope, TNG had stargates in their second season ep CONTAGION. I saw it recently and screamed STARGATES. :D

EvilSpaceAlien
October 24th, 2009, 11:27 AM
Rodney wouldn't have time to do anything because Greer would throw him out of an airlock for whining.

And to please reddevil, Greer is naked when he does it. :p

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 11:28 AM
Nope, TNG had stargates in their second season ep CONTAGION. I saw it recently and screamed STARGATES. :D

Even TNG is ripping off a concept. I think the first Stargate plot device was in a 60s book but I forget its name:o

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 11:29 AM
Mmmm...Good times, good times...

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 11:34 AM
More naked Greer, obsessed much.Well, obsession is a strong word...:p

morjana
October 24th, 2009, 11:36 AM
Even TNG is ripping off a concept. I think the first Stargate plot device was in a 60s book but I forget its name:o

Could it have been Andre Norton's 'Stargate?" Although, the stargate in the novel is only used once for some odd reason.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 11:40 AM
Could it have been Andre Norton's 'Stargate?" Although, the stargate in the novel is only used once for some odd reason.

You would probably know better then me:P The point as I said (and you reinforce) original ideas are rare these day because of the status of what has been told. Its really what you do with those used ideas that define a show.

wildgunstomcat
October 24th, 2009, 11:50 AM
That episode was the best one yet. I get chills when I realized that Destiny was actually being refueled inside the star.

Amazing show guys, keep it up!

Nemises
October 24th, 2009, 11:56 AM
This episode was better than the last...although it picked up pace halfway through.

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 12:00 PM
Its a bit early for her to be comfortable around him like that (remember at this point they have only known each other for a few days).

She didn't invite him in, she had him standing guard.

morjana
October 24th, 2009, 12:03 PM
You would probably know better then me:P The point as I said (and you reinforce) original ideas are rare these day because of the status of what has been told. Its really what you do with those used ideas that define a show.

I agree with your comment on how the writers used ideas that define a show.

Some of Stargate SG-1's best episodes are recycled ideas/plots/themes.

For example:

Tangent is Apollo 13.
Windows of Opportunity is Groundhog Day.

:)

Yoshi442
October 24th, 2009, 12:08 PM
Where'd you get that?

I enjoyed this episode, although I had issues with the 'twist' being so dang predictable. I mean, I think everyone here knew at the end of Darkness that Destiny was going to use the sun to recharge itself.

You know, I thought I would be bothered by that and I really wasn't. The point of the episode wasn't how the ship powered up, but how different people dealt differently with knowing they were about to die. Also how they dealt with the lottery.

Nemises
October 24th, 2009, 12:12 PM
cant wait to see chole get airlocked

Spimman
October 24th, 2009, 12:14 PM
The difference is SG1 and SGA were teams chosen of the best of the best, not a rag tag group of stranded people who don't even really want to be there (other than Rush).

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 12:15 PM
cant wait to see chole get airlocked

I personally hope to see Scott airlocked

Yoshi442
October 24th, 2009, 12:17 PM
.

and on a completely unrelated note (and something thats been bugging me)

i still dont understand how people can truly say that any of the "sexing up" is out of character for anyone. from what we have seen this is a show that's far more adult and well...real, for lack of a better word. Scott or James or Chloe for that matter having sex doesnt make them "sex addicts" or "horny adolescents" it makes them human on show that seems to be focusing on humanity. if you dont like it to watch it, but dont go so far as to say its poor or lazy writing. so far SGU has been, with the exception of a few minor missteps, excellently written and executed

Well, maybe it's that many sci-fi geeks don't get laid so they think people having sex is unrealistic? ;)

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 12:23 PM
which is why I hope some follow up to the rushness of sex is explored. Like when she finds out Lt. James. I will probably hurt Chloe in umimaginable ways

Is that a threat or a typo? :p

Kaiphantom
October 24th, 2009, 12:30 PM
Okay, I must ask as I've seen it everywhere on GW and even one of my friends who watched the episode feels this way. But what exactly has Eli done for Chloe that is substantially more than Scott did?

I think there are two possibilities:

1) I'm completely missing it...somehow.
2) People just happen to be rooting for Eli more, and are disproportionately imagining that he was somehow closer to Chloe.

If I recall correctly, the two men spent nearly the same amount of time with each other (on-screen), and nothing was implied otherwise.

Feel free to correct me, though, as I've been stumped by a lot of these comments :S

Okay, let me break down what we've seen so far. On Scott's side, he listened to her talk about her father.

On Eli's side, she was clinging to him initially as he walked down corridors. Then he got her a shower; the first person on the ship to get one *and* has him stand guard. She doesn't care that he goes off with another woman, but cries out for Eli *NOT* Scott when the light goes out. He gives her his blackberry for light, and she makes him stay, just makes him turn around, because she doesn't want to be alone in the dark. And he brings her to observation lounge to see the gas giant.

And since the start, she had such confidence in him as the one to open the gate and to get them through things.

Now, in my book, he's done a helluva lot for her, some of which were virtual demands, without any real complaint on his part. You'd think, if she were looking for someone to bang, she'd go with the guy who did the most for her.

We have a word for that: Used.

It's an ancient tactic: women have used men to survive, just as men have used women, so I don't fault her for that; it's party subconscious. She's got the smart guy eating out of her palm, so now she needs the muscles.

The smart guy needs to suddenly be busy now, doing stuff, and not having time for her. He's got the perfect excuse: He's trying to understand the ship as fast as possible to help with their survival. If she grows upset, ask, "Why are you upset? Don't you have Scott to look out for you? I wouldn't want to intrude on another man's woman."

Continuing to be the nice guy is actually the worst thing you can do.

Lastly, a note about things being done before: EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. There is no point to this line of conversation. We stand on the shoulders of giants, who have basically written out every kind of plot. The trick is in doing that plot WELL and in an entertaining manner.

Take a trip around the tvtropes website sometime, and you'll see there are topics on everything story-related. =)

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 12:32 PM
Okay, I must ask as I've seen it everywhere on GW and even one of my friends who watched the episode feels this way. But what exactly has Eli done for Chloe that is substantially more than Scott did?

I think there are two possibilities:

1) I'm completely missing it...somehow.
2) People just happen to be rooting for Eli more, and are disproportionately imagining that he was somehow closer to Chloe.

If I recall correctly, the two men spent nearly the same amount of time with each other (on-screen), and nothing was implied otherwise.

Feel free to correct me, though, as I've been stumped by a lot of these comments :S

Really nothing. Eli stood guard while she took a shower and showed her the observation deck when they went thru the planet.

Scott helped her thru the emotional turmoil of losing her father and as a result connected on an emotional level.

Sonicbluemustang
October 24th, 2009, 12:41 PM
If they are locked out of the main ship systems I really cant see ol Rod doing anything. :)

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 12:44 PM
Okay, let me break down what we've seen so far. On Scott's side, he listened to her talk about her father.

On Eli's side, she was clinging to him initially as he walked down corridors. Then he got her a shower; the first person on the ship to get one *and* has him stand guard. She doesn't care that he goes off with another woman, but cries out for Eli *NOT* Scott when the light goes out. He gives her his blackberry for light, and she makes him stay, just makes him turn around, because she doesn't want to be alone in the dark. And he brings her to observation lounge to see the gas giant.

And since the start, she had such confidence in him as the one to open the gate and to get them through things.

Now, in my book, he's done a helluva lot for her, some of which were virtual demands, without any real complaint on his part. You'd think, if she were looking for someone to bang, she'd go with the guy who did the most for her.

We have a word for that: Used.

It's an ancient tactic: women have used men to survive, just as men have used women, so I don't fault her for that; it's party subconscious. She's got the smart guy eating out of her palm, so now she needs the muscles.


Seem so true. I wonder if the writers are clever enough to write consciously somethings like that?

I think they only wrote. Eli="friend" and Scott="Lover sharing family history" without giving to much thought. But I may be wrong.

borgfan8of5
October 24th, 2009, 12:58 PM
Like someone else said, they don't want to be on destiny. They were not hand chosen to be on this ship. That and all of the power was gone. 1/2 of the ship is decompressed/extremely dangerous, and on top of that, you can't see anything, at all. The only power is on the shuttle. Literally, there was no power left except what the ship had taken for itself.

drake122
October 24th, 2009, 01:17 PM
Frak me, Scott is getting more poon in 5 episodes than O'Neill got during the entire run of SG-1. Booooo

Lahela
October 24th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Now, in my book, he's done a helluva lot for her, some of which were virtual demands, without any real complaint on his part. You'd think, if she were looking for someone to bang, she'd go with the guy who did the most for her.


Perhaps she just doesn't find Eli sexually attractive? Maybe she is genuinely ignorant of his feelings for her? He had certainly never shown any romantic feelings towards her on-screen before this. She and Scott seem to have bonded at the end of Air 3, and there was clearly some pre-existing friendship in Air 1 (it looked that way to me at least, when he came rushing to her aid when the tunnel collapsed).

That said, the scene could just as easily have been left out. It did nothing for me, but I'm not particularly fond of either Chloe or Scott.

Greer, on the other hand, is just a big box of pleasant surprises! :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 24th, 2009, 01:31 PM
Although I knew from Darkness that Destiny was a solar powered ship, I loved Light and the tension and drama that the episode conveyed.
I am impressed with SGU. I love the realness of the characters (and especially, of Eli).
Does anyone think that Telford is "the *******" who deserved whatever Young and Greer were talking about?

joebags
October 24th, 2009, 01:36 PM
Rush is the mad scientist we have a love/hate relationship with. Young is Gen. Hammond. Not sure about Eli. Sometimes I get a Wesley Crusher vibe, but so far so good. He isn't as irritating as I first thought. Lt. James is hot, but still keeps her soldier cool. She is SO much better than that loser Chloe. Scott is a jerk. I agree with the others: writers need to airlock Scott and Chloe, and fast!

Greer though, he is DA MAN! Best character so far.

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Rush is the mad scientist we have a love/hate relationship with. Young is Gen. Hammond. Not sure about Eli. Sometimes I get a Wesley Crusher vibe, but so far so good. He isn't as irritating as I first thought. Lt. James is hot, but still keeps her soldier cool. She is SO much better than that loser Chloe. Scott is a jerk. I agree with the others: writers need to airlock Scott and Chloe, and fast!


Don't be so harsh on Chloe she got no qualification whatsover. She only got her body to offer. And she put it into good use with both Scott and Eli. I call that: realism.

Infinite-Possibilities
October 24th, 2009, 01:50 PM
I thought this was somewhat better than the previous two episodes. It was more excited than I imagined it would be. It was fairly good, but I'm not looking forward to more Scott/Cloe/Eli relationships drama. Greer was the character that I started to like more from this episode.

Replicator Todd
October 24th, 2009, 01:53 PM
I personally hope to see Scott airlocked
Ha! Me too! Im sure someone else can learn to fly the shuttle.

Open Iris
October 24th, 2009, 02:00 PM
I also think 2d Lt James is a wonderful secondary character :cameron:, she is an officer and a lambda crew's member that makes her interesting. I want to see her (or Riley, maybe a relationship between those two) more on screen but don't forget the season just begin, some character like Camille need to be develop quickly

IcarusAbides
October 24th, 2009, 02:03 PM
Well, obsession is a strong word...:p
Maybe obsessed is too strong a word, infatuated maybe better.

Ekras
October 24th, 2009, 02:18 PM
Am I alone in thinking that while the 2 episodes (Darkness and Light) were good, they shouldn't have been split into a 2-parter?

As a result of this split we lose an episode down the road (Syfy only green-lit a finate number of episodes), and don't gain much in return. There was lots of stuff that could have been cut, without hurting the episode (some cuts such as the wife scene in darkness would have improved the show). Especially since we just came off a 3-parter and haven't had a single "stand-alone" episode yet.

Joben
October 24th, 2009, 02:28 PM
I don't know how people can say they really like the character yet unless it's based on looks, she's had about 2 lines since the show began and her main scenes are a sex scene and a voyeur shot

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 02:54 PM
No. I think if you had compressed it. We would have had a EATG type episode and IMO the character moments are just as important as the plot

Franklyn Blaze
October 24th, 2009, 02:59 PM
Two was fine.

EvilSpaceAlien
October 24th, 2009, 03:01 PM
No. It's pretty close to being perfect the way it is, and if it was compressed into a single episode we would miss out on a lot of character moments that are just as important as the plot.

DigiFluid
October 24th, 2009, 03:02 PM
I'm a little torn. While I liked both episodes, they did come across as a little stretched. One episode would have been too little, probably resulting in (as jelly's already said) an episode as bad as EATG. But two episodes was a bit too long. It was way too much for one ep, not quite enough for two IMO.

Still, I'd rather have things a little stretched out than compressed and ridiculous.

Jeff O'Connor
October 24th, 2009, 03:03 PM
No. I think if you had compressed it. We would have had a EATG type episode and IMO the character moments are just as important as the plot

This.

ttsec
October 24th, 2009, 03:16 PM
Cut out Cloe's 45 min. sex scene and we have a 1 parter. In fact, cut out all Cloe scenes, and so far we would've only had 2-3 episodes instead of 5. Why is Cloe even in this show. And why hasn't the Stargate been used since the 3rd episode? What's the name of the show again, I remember the word "Stargate" was in there.

harakiri
October 24th, 2009, 03:17 PM
Hi all tau`ri.
All in all "Light" was a good episode. We all knew the ship would get power from the sun,but diving into the sun was a new twist to what I could predict.

The Chloe/Scott thing is just weird,not bad but just kinda boring.
There are so many details I did love:
That one did remember/understood that it was somebody`s birthday was IMHO a pretty moment.
Eli saying "why am I watching this on TV" was funny.
Everything Rush do is all good.

Stargate Universe need more action,a bit less drama. I am not against some realistic human drama in the story,but more action than drama would be good. BTW with "Action" I don`t mean man to man shooting in combat or things,but in general just more off the journey with and on the Destiny. So far the "cliffhangers" have been about the ship and not the people. If we however get to see ends like "Chloe" in a confrontation towards James,Eli or Scott that will bad...

So far SGU is getting better and better for each episode. I actually hate the waiting for the next episode and I have so far watched every episode twice or more times just to not miss anything.

KRiZ
October 24th, 2009, 03:18 PM
Reasons i enjoyed "Light"

1. All episode i was thinking why cant the destiny use the sun to recharge, surely the ancients being wise, would have seen it as the only universe wide abundantly available power source

2. I liked the "love" scene, if its the last time you're going to see someone that you've bonded with (talking about your grief over a parent dying in front of you is a bonding experience, trust me on this one) you will want to have that last feeling of closeness sex can do that better than most other human interaction.

3. The reality of this series is excellent, Chloe would go for Scott, not Eli, as Eli just follows her around like a wet blanket, i haven't met many girls who want a clingy, overweight, insecure, lazy ass boyfriend.

4. The fact they did re-use the gravity slingshot maneuver is good because its an idea which was obvious and people with brains like rush and Eli should think of it.

5. No plot holes, they reacted to their situation in a sensible and rationally thought out manner. No deus ex machina, all of the plot devices made sense and wasnt like omg destiny has 12 zpms in storage in a cupboard we hadnt checked, isnt that lucky.

scruffyisasuperhero
October 24th, 2009, 03:50 PM
I think that you can definitely tell that darkness and light were supposed to be one episode. Darkness especially didn't feel like it had enough plot to fill one episode. But the lack of plot made room for more character moments and I think that this early in the series it's more important to make room for character building rather than plot. After all it's the characters that are going to keep me coming back every week so I am glad this story was a two-parter.

retiredat44
October 24th, 2009, 04:03 PM
we saw this same stuff done in other sci-fi shows, .. refueled by nebulas and stars...
the show was good..
the lights came on all over the ship after being refueled.. as we saw from the outside shots when it regained ful power..
now that they saw what the ship looks like they can start mapping it, and also they can start going into the ships' systems..

garhkal
October 24th, 2009, 04:04 PM
I think that ending sequence proves that the Destiny doesn't have any sort of AI that's capable of independant decision. It's running through a (large and complex) program that contains little more than a list of commands. "Running low on X? Go to System Y and get some. Running low on Zed? StarSurf for more power."

The fact that it was blithly unconcered for the shuttle and its passengers prove that while it's capable of preserving life support and arrainging for repairs, it's NOT capable of doing anything outside of that programming or spontaniously.

That makes it a much more interesting character and plot device. What'll happen when the crew wants to do something that isn't part of its programming?

Agreed. It is running on what it has had programmed in, so obviously no AI. And i would love to see somewhere in the future, that someone dies cause of that programming.. That would show to all the ship is not their friend or enemy. It just is.


I saw it on my second viewing. You see the drop fall as the camera is behind him. Just one and you only see it falling through the air, not on his face or anything.


When i saw it i was wondering if it was a tear or a bead of sweat from the heat...


They showed rush with an I-Phone and Speaker Base Station... When did he have time to grab that kinda stuff before jumping into the stargate? I noticed some other strange items... maybe we should make a list of easter eggs

I know people in the miliatry who have all sorts of 'entertainment' items like that in their grab bags. From ipods to game boys, to 4harmonicas.
So rush having one in the bag he grabbed is no biggy to me.


Why did greer strip?

Many people i know who meditate take off their shirts so as to have a 'clear body..


also a random sidenote, not so much a random object as a random placement... Why the hell does Eli's bunk have a kino station at it?

Perhaps cause he chose the kino room as his bunking area. OR he moved one there.


So what were those pills Spencer took?

Dunno. The label was the other way.


I already mentioned briefly in another thread that Eli and Rush not seeing it coming is pretty dumb when most of us could have called it.

WE have the fact we know the series is going on. THEIR characters don't. So them not thinking of it is not outlandish to me.

GateroomGuard
October 24th, 2009, 04:10 PM
One thing I've just thought of. In Darkness James drags Eli into the mob meeting and want him to level with them about what is going on. They all think that he is up there with Rush and Young about whats going on and about policy.

Then in Light as soon as Young announces the lottery James gives Eli a staredown as if to say 'remember our deal.' But when the lottery is over Eli doesn't get on the shuttle while most of the people on the shuttle were at the mob meeting.

I wonder if this is going to change how they all see Eli now, knowing that he may in fact be as much in the dark as they are.

Replicator Todd
October 24th, 2009, 04:10 PM
Darkness was very slow compared to Light, but it was a great 2-parter. Im glad it wasnt jam-packed together like EATG or even Be All My Sins Remember'd.

Ed
October 24th, 2009, 04:15 PM
They should have added some other character complication maybe spent a bit of time with the people preparing for the end ect

GateroomGuard
October 24th, 2009, 04:26 PM
I don't know how people can say they really like the character yet unless it's based on looks, she's had about 2 lines since the show began and her main scenes are a sex scene and a voyeur shot


Well lines aren't every thing, body language can say a lot about a character. Like in Darkness when she found out she was being spied on, rather than be embarassed she was just annoyed. In Light when her name got called for the lottery she was clearly not expecting it and Young even had to give her a nod to tell her to go before she left.

What a character says is important, but what they don't say and how they handle situations around them is just as important.

Jper
October 24th, 2009, 04:35 PM
Jasper’s Enormously long Opinion and Thoughts about SGU 1.05 Light

This episode started, as did the other previous episodes, with its own version of “Previously on Stargate Universe”. A version which I have particularly come to like, as if the image of the Destiny drifting in space and hearing – Dr. Rush – Robert Carlyle’s voice: “Destiny, the design is clearly Ancient;” has already become associated with my weekly dose of a new, refreshing, amazing, Stargate episode. It feels as if this opening theme yet again proves that there certainly exists a clear difference between Stargate Universe and its predecessors, Atlantis and SG1. However, even though these differences have become impossible to ignore, this episode also proved that it still, very much, is a part of the Stargate franchise, although the Stargate itself was not even used this episode. Still I’m willing to bet that J. Mallozzi was right when he predicted on his blog that “Light” will become one of the favorite episodes of Stargate (Universe) fans.

Reconciliation was for the first time, since the beginning of the series, an important “theme” of the episode. Important, existing conflicts between the main characters were resolved, and mysteries were unraveled; while at the same time new conflicts and mysteries were created. As new questions are popping up inside my head, this brings me to the fact that the intrigue was certainly fired up a notch. “Light” was well-paced, and both the plot and character development seemed to have perfectly balanced out, as to drive the episode. So when its forty-five minutes were up it still had me longing for more.

Now then, let’s move on to the real beginning, as this episode starts with Ronald Greer’s Kino scene. Ronal Greer is portrayed by Jamil Walker, someone I had never heard of before, until now. His character has really come to grow on me this episode and I feel obliged to compliment Walker for his excellent acting performance(s). It only shows that TPTB are IMHO indeed adamant on having more complex (3D) characters, like Greer. Walker was the right acquisition for the series as to play the role of Greer, but more about Greer later. Let me just quote: “Out in a blaze of glory.”

Then of course follows the SGU short logo-opening-scene before we immediately jump in where we had left of in “Darkness” and Colonel Everett Young appears. As for me Walker – in this episode – showed what he was made off, Louis Ferreira already had made an impression and yet again confirmed why he deserves this role. Supported by the excellent camera movement, positioning and focus on important little details, Ferreira did an excellent job and as a result this episode had a strong base to begin with.

Ferreira’s portrayal of Colonel Young was top-notch, as it really showed who Young is, why Young became a Colonel and how Young, being the decent man and officer he is, would handle this situation in his own very human way. My believes were reinforced when the clash between Young and Camille Wray, portrayed by Ming-Na, played out on my screen. Scenes like this, where they throw two skilled, competent actors together to oppose each other and represent the two camps of an ancient undecided philosophical problem, those scenes capture my attention and cause the series to go up in my estimation.

However, however, however… We all know what happened then. The camera followed Eli, looking for Chloe, in the meantime showing us, amongst the others, Dr. Rush and Vanessa James until Eli found Armstrong. Without any explanation, clarification, only a mere four-and-a-half minutes in, it showed us Chloe Armstrong, portrayed by Elyse Levesque, getting all up close with Matthew Scott, portrayed by Brain J. Smith. We weren’t even given two lines of dialogue, and how could that even have been possible, we were only just getting started on “Light”. While I don’t object, on the contrary, to a relationship between Chloe and Matt, this was not what I had expected or wanted to see, this soon into the episode. I was shocked that this particularly scene, fragment we knew was coming, had ended up here. Where was the build-up? Where was the transition? Where were the hints, the clues… not only in this episode, but in the previous episodes as well? What I saw until now was friendship. A friendship with great potential, yes, and maybe, maybe, very little build-up, but it did not stop here.

That brings to question why we did not even hear what Chloe and Matthew were saying to each other. I think it was left out on purpose by TPTB to just play on the safe side, as if they had no idea what they actually should have said to each other and maybe TPTB believed that pictures would say more than a thousand words? As if to avoid always having someone, or some share of the fans, disagree with them (TPTB). As if hoping by this that the fans would be able to fill in “the blank(s)” by themselves, fill in what they want, and thus hoping it would just all work on its own.

At least Eli shared my opinion as the look on his face told me he did not understand the suddenness of what was happening any more than I did. He and I, clearly thought that it was a little bit too soon. Although some among you will say that he was shocked because he himself did not get any chance with Chloe, I would disagree. Even though Chloe and Matt had very little previous romantic development, Chloe and Eli had absolutely none in this episode (and all the previous ones), and I see only (a lot of) friendship (development) between them. Why then it was necessary to play up the jealous-angle so much in Eli’s next scene was a total mystery to me. Are TPTB really considering another love triangle like we’ve seen on season five of Stargate Atlantis? Have they learned nothing out of that debacle, nightmare I would even call it?

Normally I have no big problems with ships, romance, or romantic relationships on screen, even in Stargate, even though some of those were poorly written, portrayed, jumped, forced, unrealistic, etc. However, when it then comes to love triangles, another step up the ladder, I really must wonder “What were they thinking?” We should also remember that Lt. V. James will also come in to play on this one. Will this become a quadrangle? God, I hope not. This was already the most terrible element of this episode. I hope it will certainly not become the downfall of the series, although it might have the potential to do that. I am left clueless. For me TPTB lost the benefit of the doubt I was previously willing to give them on the matter of romantic relationships. It seems like this hasn’t changed, despite all the other changes they have made, the indications things would be different, the potential that was available and the chances they had.

After the hallway scene between Scott and Armstrong, followed a scene of someone taking some pills. Someone I did not recognize and I am still left to wonder who it was. Then of course we got more Matt/Chloe, with still no explanation, and then came the Wray-Young scene, but I already talked about that. Following was a nice new piece of character development for Eli with matching fall-back into reality.

The reason I am mentioning this particular element of the episode is that I wanted to point how they had character development without using the Ancient Long Ranges Communication Stones. By the use of a simple, well-fitted, flashback they showed us why the show absolutely doesn’t need these stones, not until now (for character development). According to me, another factor that came into play, as to make this a good episode, is that they did not use the communication stones in this episode. They did not have the break, a drop, in the storyline by someone using the stones. I must point out that if the stones did not exist this would have been the perfect way to tell this story and there would have been nothing inconsistent about this episode.

However, now, considering that these stones are there, why did they not use them? If only it was to say goodbye to friends and family? They are making Kino-video messages, but they would not, could not, did not want to, relay messages back to Earth through the stones? Where were the stones? Although I want them gone, I do have to wonder? This was a serious lack of decent writing and consistency. Everyone on board of the ship should want to use the stones now, no? They know they are going to die. Isn’t this the moment where, as Young said to O’Neill, people would want to use the stones? Seriously, again, “What were TPTB thinking when they decided to use the stones in this series?” This, for me, has gone way too long without a proper explanation. The stones create a vast number of story- and plot-problems while giving the story very few benefits.

So we had the Eli-flashback, after which Eli came up with the idea to make the Kino-videos. Nobody thought or even mentioned the stones. After that the scene jumped back to Chloe and Matthew again. So I assume we are left to believe that they did have sex? Is this intended to be a “spur of the moment” thing we need to see in the light of the circumstances of this episode? Was the sex just meant to comfort each other? At least I would have some understanding of what happened if it was just that, however we are left to wonder as there comes no explanation or any mention at all to address it. If there had been, or if there will be, it would maybe explain the lack of build-up, but it would not and will probably not explain the absence of any decent transition.

As some of you may know I had a theory: Chloe would try to manipulate Scott to get a ticket. That didn’t exactly pan out, however, part of the theory was that afterwards – as you and I both knew they would survive – they would be awkward around each other. I was speculating that they would have to deal with the consequences and the aftermath of their little encounter. It still might of course. It would become a relationship where the romantic development would follow the intimacy, the actual start of the romantic relationship. However, I think, then they should first address the issues I’ve put forward and answer the questions I’ve posed first, before this could ever to work out properly on screen.

Jper
October 24th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Of course this all brings forward the interesting point, that all of us, all the viewers, knew that the Destiny wasn’t going to be torn apart by the sun. That they weren’t going to die. For me, what comes to mind, when considering that, is a question. “Why didn’t they try to make us believe that in the first place?” There are so many spoilers and give-aways that I really wonder if it would not have been possible to give the impression that some of the characters might really, actually die and that the Destiny might actually have been torn apart. They could have at least tried to raise some doubt, but no they actually gave away spoilers like it was candy and everyone already knew they wouldn’t die. Even when you hadn’t seen any spoiler, you would probably have known that they were going to live, as this was only the fifth episode and there are fifteen more to come. Something which makes it harder to place myself onboard of the Destiny and give me the chance to imagine what it feels like to be onboard. It diminished the “sucking-in effect” of the story. “Darkness” and “Air, pt.3.” made me feel different on that point.

To continue, with Chloe and Matthew, luckily this time they were talking. I praise myself lucky that they did not use the word “love” anywhere. As I thought what I saw was anything but real love or a real relationship. I was at that point already expecting the worst of course. Still I was maybe hoping for a bit of explanation or some consequences, e.g. one of them regretting it, regretting the impulsivity, or being awkward, or… but no nothing. The danger, the fine edge the writers are now on, has everything to do with the scenario. It’s most likely that Chloe and Matthew speeded up things because they thought they were going to die. The problem, as I said, is that for the viewers this wasn’t the case. For the viewers it was clear they weren’t going to die. Now it’s very possible that this will not turn out as the fans or the writes wanted it to. They have left the safe zone and are playing with fire. The experience of burning their hands while doing that should IMHO have learned them to be more safe with fire.

It isn’t the actual sex that bothered me, it was the absent transition that should have come before it and the way they acted around each other, immediately afterwards and at the very end of the episode. Also, they should really address the fact that they barely know each other. I just don’t believe the line of “I have probably felt closer to you in these past few days than I have ever felt to anybody,” without a bit more proper explanation. I would support and understand that motive, as they really think Chloe is going to die, if we would just get a bit more supporting evidence and appropriate behavior for the characters. However it wasn’t there and that’s the last thing I’m going to say here on the subject as this is already way to long. Hereby I’ve vented my anger, frustration and disappointment with/in this episode.

One thing that what I thought was good in the conversation between Chloe and Matthew how they went through the same process of reasoning, like I did. I knew it had to be Scott who would fly the ship. Then I had guessed it was Chloe who would be accompanying him, after which I came up with the same reasoning as they did, before I finally considered TJ.

So now that all the negativity has been cleared, let’s move on and talk about the rest of the episode, which was actually rather amazing. Pretty great actually. It was, for example, pretty great that I had no real favorite characters in this episode. (I did have favorite actors, but I’m talking about the characters now.) Each character seen on screen got its fair share of my attention and the chance to connect with me.

We pick up the story again, and we are now in the episode on the part where Eli is presenting his Kino-video-taping idea, immediately starting with Greer coming into the picture. Clearly this is the moment where Greer’s Kino-scene, seen, as the first new scene of this episode, was made. And all the other Kino scenes from the previous episode for that matter. In spite of my earlier ruminations, now watching this scene again, I cannot see the Eli’s jealousy as clearly as I could before. It has now become more as if, Eli has yet again the same POV as me, and is just mad at them, frustrated with them and disappointed in them, for he, just as me, saw/heard no transition, no development and no explanation. It’s much more subtle now as here there is transition and ultimately it connects with Eli’s belief that they should leave something behind of themselves. It’s hard to explain, but I feel it was all linked here. There was writing-plot logic behind it. I find it all to be very human as well, very realistic. Scott did put into words my unbelief at sending the Kino out into space though. Who would ever find it there?

Remember how I said there was reconciliation in this episode? Well, here comes the scene between Rush and Young. Both are interesting, complex characters and they had some very clashing moments together, where they were thorn in each other’s flesh. Now the situation was/seems different. Rush saying he doesn’t belong on the shuttle. Remorse? Of course later on this will evolve into the new question. Did Rush know? That TJ and Scott were the two set on going was logical, no complaints here about that. Of course Rush’s suggestion of fixing the lottery and including Greer, who he cannot stand, makes me wonder again, if Rush really did not knew/suspected.

Next Kino scene: Camille Wray. The hint of her being “lesbian”, no? was nice, I thought. “My age is none of your business, Eli.” That was a good inside joke. She was also the character who stood out between those being picked in the lottery. She and Greer were the characters standing out there. The lottery also showed how the Kino scenes in the previous episode and the focus on secondary characters was really a benefit to the storyline and not just wasted time. This is very interesting as It should make us remember that this was originally written as one episode “Fire”. The same goes for “Air”. SGU really has a more long-term plot-line going on throughout the first episodes. However “Light” did stand out between the other episodes for me. Something that, as you can see, inspired me to write this.

I think we get to see some pretty amazing CGI in this episode. The shuttle taking of and the view on the observation deck are examples of that. Combine this with the well-fitting music and here you’ve got pretty good television. The new character-interaction made it even better.

“The Kino is sending back pictures.” – “Thank you, Eli.”

Again I very much liked the new found reconciliation. Again every character gets his/her fair part of attention and so did the character interactions. I also like how they showed different ways people would deal with the situation they are in. How they all handle it differently as if TPTB really wanted to show the different aspects of the characters and people in general. All being human. Furthermore the science was good again. It seemed valid and fitting. Again, I like this new approach for SGU on the science angle. And a last thing or character I should say, that stood out, was Greer. Finally learning why he had been locked up in the brig. Suddenly that did not feel so bad anymore. I never really liked Telford, and apparently both Young and Greer didn’t either, so maybe that’s the explanation for my reasoning. Greer now really seems to me the good guy everyone says he is, although he still has his flaws. I like that in the portrayal of the characters. No one of them is perfect, just like real persons aren’t perfect and have their strongpoints and their flaws. Absolutely loved the Greer-Young scene.

Jper
October 24th, 2009, 04:36 PM
The big moment, there it was, finally, everyone has excepted his or her fate and they will die, but then, then Rush jumps up and runs to the “control-room”. The Destiny is still flying towards the sun and using its last ounces of power to power the shield, putting more and more power in it, to protect itself and its passengers. The reaction we get to see of Rush, when he realizes it, still makes me believe he did not know what was going to happen. Why would he have had to pretend when he was alone? No he smiled and laughed when he saw the mist in the control room and he looked genuinely pleased and surprised when he got to the observation deck.

Of course the CGI is still amazing, and still supported by the great soundtrack. The power surged and the lights came back on. After the Destiny lowered itself inside the sun and started sucking in solar energy, or something like that. Who would have guessed that. That it would actually end up inside the star. A lot of people had predicted the star would provide the energy, but like this? It was great. Unpredictable. The special effects were awesome. Especially if you consider they have already launched the shuttle and later on the shuttle will be unable to gather enough speed on its own to land on the Destiny again. The sling shot maneuver is getting a bit old, but maybe that was just to illustrate how the Destiny works on its own. Flies on its own and how the mere humans they are can only just watch and learn from it. Learn how to survive. As if there is one thing the Destiny is good at, then it is surviving. It is especially great if you consider the reasoning behind it. There will always be stars out there. So this is the ideal way of surviving. This was the climax. I loved it.

Again there was new character development as we had Rush and Eli finally working together now, together, with Young backing them, and not trying to watch Rush or getting in a fight with him. It really illustrated the difference I noticed in this episode. It illustrated the difference between who Eli was in the flashback-scene and who he is now becoming as it seems he has finally found a place where his skills’ set fits in and where he belongs. There was also the “maybe they were the lucky ones” desperate outcry of TJ.

The mess-hall scene, the last scene closely remembered the classic Stargate scenes. Yesterday I watched SGA S04E04 Doppelganger, and it really resembled that.

To go out with allow me to praise one last person, Joel Goldsmith. The soundtrack and music elements for Stargate Universe, although also being different from (Goldsmith’s work on) previous Stargate shows, is certainly just as amazing. Take for instance the opening music, the music during the Scott/Armstrong scene, the music during the lottery, the theme per character, the music when they realize the shuttle can’t match the speed of the Destiny… It is really beneficiary for the Stargate-television-franchise that they have such a talented composer on board.

After the whole episode, after all what had happened, all the development, we ended again, in the very new, typical Stargate Universe way: A new conflict popping up between Rush and Young. The distrust coming back, as fast as it could. Did Rush know? Young is not willing to let it go. Will we ever really know what is going on? Who the characters are? What their motives are? What they are doing? It is “Stargate” and it is also “SGU”. There’s balance and there’s antagonism. There’s change and there’s resemblance. There’s peace and there’s friction. This was the latest; fifth, episode, “Light”. Next one will be “Water.” This was my opinion. I loved it with very mixed feelings towards the beginning. Still a lot of (new) questions to be answered, explanation to be given and issues to be resolved. This was, Jasper, Jper. I hope you enjoyed this enormously long read containing my thoughts and opinions.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 04:38 PM
Jper, I dub you PG15 Jr.:P

Dorian-Gray
October 24th, 2009, 04:40 PM
i can't believe people like this show... it completely throws everything sci fi out the window... it's like Days Of our lives on a fricken space ship, and the ship flys in and out of stars without sustaining damage. you guys are pretty easy to please apparently

Well i like it, if you remember well the first Stargate was somewhat set on relationships, i mean every alien became a friend or enemy and Sam had like three alien almost-lovers. Besides as the fans of stargate grew the show had to change. The whole english speaking aliens, and all so nice and friendly atmosphere was getting kind of old... If you don't like it then leave it, as simple as that...

Jeff O'Connor
October 24th, 2009, 04:46 PM
Yeah the one thing I really didn't like was Chloe pairing off with Scott like that. Holy....abrupt much? Part 1 is all about character background and development, to the point that half this forum is whining that nothing is happening, and then just out of left field the two of them are gettin' busy in the first 5 minutes of the episode? What?

Don't misunderstand--I think sex must have its place in a group of people stranded like this, and I'll be annoyed if it's not ever approached again. This just seemed....out of left field.

This, for sure. The abruptness of the two of them getting together, when coupled with how character-focused the previous episode was, made zero sense to me. I cringed, and I cringed, and I cringed some more.

After that, though, the episode suddenly skyrocketed into awesome. I hadn't seen it yet until a couple of hours ago, and had picked up from tidbits across the forum that the general consensus was it's pretty damn good. But I wasn't really expecting it to be this good. Definitely the best hour thusfar. If the first season delivers at least another five or six episodes of this caliber, we're in good hands.

Replicator Todd
October 24th, 2009, 04:49 PM
Jper, I just read that whole thing, I cannot believe it. Excellent review.

Jper
October 24th, 2009, 04:56 PM
Jper, I dub you PG15 Jr.:P


Jper, I just read that whole thing, I cannot believe it. Excellent review.

Thank you very much. It is seven pages in word. Took me two hours and a half to write. I had to write it out of me it seems, as I am feeling much better now. :) Really tired though. ;) It's 2AM here too.

P.S. And secretly I'm posting it here for the green as I really want to become a real SG-member but ssshhhhtt don't tell anyone. ;) :rolleyes:

*bows*
:D

Mr chuckles
October 24th, 2009, 04:59 PM
I agree. i'm glad she got more screen time. BTW, sblade, great sig, lol!

Rac80
October 24th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Lt. James could be a truly great character, but I'm afraid TPTB see her just as an inflatable doll to sex up the show.

If that turns into their standard treatment of all the women on the destiny....the ratings will skyrocket! :P

Radahldo
October 24th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Spencer, I mean.
They were ready to rally about him before Greer silenced him.
I would've thought someone might wake him up so he doesn't die alone on a cold floor?
He's gonna be even more spiteful now.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 05:05 PM
It would be pretty obvious after Greer punched him he wasn't going to die.

Whitering
October 24th, 2009, 05:06 PM
Why would they? He almost got them all bashed in the head. You don't have sympathy for trouble makers.

Avenger
October 24th, 2009, 05:07 PM
Spencer, I mean.
They were ready to rally about him before Greer silenced him.
I would've thought someone might wake him up so he doesn't die alone on a cold floor?
He's gonna be even more spiteful now.

Or he'll shut his hole a get in line because he knows the consequences of stepping out of line now.

Whitering
October 24th, 2009, 05:08 PM
I hope we see more of some women other than Chloe, I am not sure I care who at this point. I just fast forward through every scene she is in. So, ya, I vote for more James as well.

Radahldo
October 24th, 2009, 05:08 PM
Oh, no I didnt mean he would die from the rifle-butt; I meant what if he didnt regain consciousness before the shipped was consumed by the sun. It just seems odd people were praying, but no one figured to wake up Spencer so he could do so himself (if those are his beliefs).

Jeff O'Connor
October 24th, 2009, 05:17 PM
PG15 and Jper, both of you posted amazing reviews. Everyone else, I've thoroughly enjoyed reading your thoughts as well. But seriously, you two, wow.

I'm frankly quite humbled... as well as preempted. I think PG15 and Jper in particular have really nailed my thoughts on the episode. Mixed in the beginning, and then just up, up and away from there. I can't wait to see where things go next week. I haven't been more excited for more SGU yet, really.

In case I don't get a chance to jot all my thoughts down or indeed decide to just remain fairly mum on the issue this time:

'Light': ***1/2

Replicator Todd
October 24th, 2009, 05:19 PM
Spencer deserved it....

Avenger
October 24th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Oh, no I didnt mean he would die from the rifle-butt; I meant what if he didnt regain consciousness before the shipped was consumed by the sun. It just seems odd people were praying, but no one figured to wake up Spencer so he could do so himself (if those are his beliefs).

You can't just wake someone up who has been knocked unconscious.

retiredat44
October 24th, 2009, 05:32 PM
with limited air, those 2 playing with each other are stinking up the air bad.. couldn't imagine the stink and stench of the air in the room they had sex in.. then that air mixes with the very limited stale air in the ship..

the ship need to be flown through the sun to clean the thing..

Dain
October 24th, 2009, 05:36 PM
I am really impressed with the continued attempt to use actual science on the show. Even the shuttle behaved way more spaceship-y than any Jumper or other vehicle we have seen so far. This show is a major upgrade both in realism as well as in special effects eye-candy for Stargate and so far it has been an amazing ride on the Destiny.

And finally, the ship diving into the star...that was just beautiful. That's what Sci-Fi is supposed to be. It gets better and better.

Darkside_Six
October 24th, 2009, 05:41 PM
Another fantastic episode. It was excellent in ways so different from 'Darkness' and yet it followed it's plot, development and other things so well.

Character development is still great. Young is awesome, Rush is getting more interesting by the minute and Greer is a cool cat. Not so much from Scott this time bar his Chloe interaction which I admit was a little hasty, which could have done with some more build-up. As for the other characters? Great. I love how we're seeing a lot of the secondary cast, far more so that every other sci-fi show out there. I guess there aren't any aliens to negotiate with, get robbed by, help or shoot.

And the Destiny. The ship was built at the height of Ancient civilization and it shows. I knew it would use the star somehow to refuel but rather in the 'bussard collector for magical reactor' than the 'stellar energy to recharge batteries' sort of way. Anyways, it's shields whilst probably on very low power managed to absorb the kind of energy that would obliterate even a 304's shields. I would not like to go up against Destiny in a fight.

I thank SGU for rekindling my faith in the Ancients. After seeing Aurora's being blown up left, right and center in Atlantis it is refreshing to see evidence that the Ancients really were beyond powerful.

Sule
October 24th, 2009, 05:54 PM
I also thought it was a bit odd to just leave him there on the floor. What did they show him taking at the beginning of the episode? Some sort of capsule. I thought he was going to commit suicide.

prion
October 24th, 2009, 05:58 PM
My biggest problem with this scene is that Spencer was unconsicous for just under seven minutes. that means CONCUSSION. That does not mean you get up and start walking around. If anything, he should have gotten sick and tossed up his cookies, then wondered what the hell was going on and possibly have no recollection of this episode's imminent death theme.

For all this 'edgier, darker' stuff, TPTB have yet to bother to get off their collective butts and actually do some Googling.

from http://www.ehow.com/how_2082636_classify-concussion.html#

Learn the symptoms that accompany a Grade III concussion which is marked by a period of unconsciousness lasting 5 minutes or less, as well as the symptoms of a Grade I and/or Grade II concussion. A person suffering a Grade III concussion or higher must be stabilized and remain immobile until medical help arrives.

Step 4 - Seek immediate medical attention if the victim displays symptoms of a Grade IV concussion. A Grade IV concussion is, essentially, identical to a Grade III concussion, except the period of unconsciousness lasts up to 10 minutes. A Grade IV concussion carries significant risk of serious lingering effects and, possibly, permanent brain damage.


It's just bothersome.

And also, everybody just left him there, which, uh, really speaks volume for how much these characters don't relate.

I can understand Greer hitting him - Spencer could easily have riled up a riot (well, maybe not, judging from the fact that when faced with imminent death it's "Im' going to read a book" or play poker, have sex, sit around naked, or more realistically, pray. Would to have seen just one person snap and run around the ship screaming "I don't want to die! Nooooooooooo!" at the top of their lungs).

Radahldo
October 24th, 2009, 06:14 PM
Although I was concearned with the paucity of empathy, medically, what they did was negligence? I don't know much about concussion, so I am not sure I care if that was ignored for the sake of narrative.
While TJ and Park (seen assisting TJ in stiching up Franklin) were both off the ship, still on some level it should've occured to someone to aid him.

techs
October 24th, 2009, 06:31 PM
I haven't posted here in years but a new Stargate is a unique occasion.

Here's my take. Forgive me if I have used other peoples impressions and folded them into my own.
Oh, and the nicknames are just for fun.

So Lt. Can'tkeepitinhispants apparently remembered to grab the condoms before escaping to Destiny.
Or else he's planning to single handedly re-populate the ship.

The most interesting relationship so far seems to be between Rush and ship.

Perhaps the finest moment of last nights episode was when Col. Young made an IOA representive cry! I teared up myself over that.

Lt. Giantspacebreasts seems to have no problems with her mantoy hooking up with Chloe? If that's the way she swings, perhaps she'll be giving Eli a taste o'mammaries soon to get info out of him?

If they were going to use such an obvious ploy as refueling in the sun, they should have done it in flashback form, so everyone wouldn't spend the epi thinking the ending was obvious.

And we now know why Sgt. Pyscho was in the brig. He punched out Telfer. He goes way up for that in my estimation. Apparently he's secretly Ronon Dex in disguise.

Did anyone else think that after the shuttle took off and Chloe put her head on Eli's shoulder he was thinking what to say to get some "going into a gas giant we're gonna die" sex?

I'm kinda disappointed in the military characters. In the previous Stargates they were portrayed positively, perhaps too much so. But in Universe they seem to be the Air Forces worst airmen. You would think those assigned to the Stargate program and who go off world would be the best.

In fact, I'm guessing next weeks epi:
"Running out of food they hold a lottery to see who's on the menu"

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 06:38 PM
The way we see more of the secondary cast is great indeed. Makes the whole thing more realistic.

timmciglobal
October 24th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Seriously you were impressed by this idiocy and "real science"?

So... let's recap... the gates use naquada ... atlantis uses a ZPM... but this ship uses "solar power" from "collecting a star"...

Our own sun:

1) It's "core" tempature is over 10,000,000 degrees. No metal is surving that and the entire logic of a "shield" surving that seems to be at odds with shield technology from atlantis which one would assume would be significantly more advanced. The idea of any ship surving entry into the core of a star is idiotic at best.

2) The star like any star in the universe is made up of mostly hydrogen and helium... odd that 100K+ years later we need special ZPM's and naquada and insanly rare hard to produce technology when 100K+ years ago the ancients just needed the 2 most common elements in the entire universe to travel faster then light and power a shield capable of actually traveling into a star.

3) The idiocy of "rush knew" ... seriously? So his master plan was to get 17 people off the ship with as much supplies as possible so he could... have the ship... with... less people on it... and.... less food/water/supplies... because... he's ... evil...

Idiotic.

If the next episode was just rush laughing evily, chloe and a random guy ****ing and eli recording people this board would probably declare it the best stargate episode ever.

Tim

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 06:53 PM
However, now, considering that these stones are there, why did they not use them? If only it was to say goodbye to friends and family?

Good question. It make more sense for people on the Destiny to make one last phone call using the stone than wasting time with the Kino messages. Oh well...

wargrafix
October 24th, 2009, 06:55 PM
Honestly Chloe may be less useful and she knows it. Scott is a kinda brainless moron. Not very useful. Probably good at delegation, but nothing more.

reddevil18
October 24th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Our own sun:

1) It's "core" tempature is over 10,000,000 degrees. No metal is surving that and the entire logic of a "shield" surving that seems to be at odds with shield technology from atlantis which one would assume would be significantly more advanced. The idea of any ship surving entry into the core of a star is idiotic at best.

I'll just ignore the rest of your incoherent post and respond to this, m'kay? They never went into the star's core.
And how is that at odds with Atlantis' shields? It doesn't contradict anything established in canon. We saw the Daedalus resist a solar flare for a couple of minutes. Could the Ancients really not have come up with something good enough for a ship meant to travel the universe?

The_Asgard_live
October 24th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Seriously you were impressed by this idiocy and "real science"?

I'll do you a couple better.


So... let's recap... the gates use naquada ... atlantis uses a ZPM... but this ship uses "solar power" from "collecting a star"...

Atlantis seemingly (who the hell knows the timelines anymore) far more advanced piece of technology, EVERYTHING drains the shields/ZPM. Wraith fire, submersion pressure, exploding solar flares from the sun that whales warn you about. Yet, a far older piece of technology actually thrives on submersion into the sun. I guess the sun actually fuels the shields that allow it to stay within it. Yet. The Ancients submerged Atlantis in water, where wraith tech could penetrate instead of, oh I don't know, say a Sun? where they couldn't?

Its also interesting that in this real science world, where people are happy their are no McKay's or Carters to save the world I haven't heard any complaining that Eli just blurts out "math boy" complex ship trajectory computations. Did he do the math in his head?

timmciglobal
October 24th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Commander Zelix: Yea I made an account over 2 years ago in the hopes that a series I've always liked would 2 years later create stories with idiotic plots and magicscience like this.

reddevil18: When rush admits he's wrong you see the destiny actually drop into the core of the star and Eli says "Guy's we're in the star.. " the military commander says "But that's thousands of degrees" and rush says "much hotter, we just flown threw the chrona"

A star's chrona is millions of degrees, where all the solar wind and planet shattering magnetic fields are...

Tim

timmciglobal
October 24th, 2009, 07:20 PM
And you still ignore the fact there are dozens of safer ways then flying into a star to collect hydrogen or helium.... in fact since stargates only go to planets so far that support human life.... GO COLLECTING FROM ONE OF THEM....

And the logic that they went deep threw is the density... if they collected hydrogen from the chromosphere vs the core then they were getting less dense hydrogen then they could of gotten from water.

The one point no one here seems to comprehend is this magicscience fails to work because it's a PREQUEL... this is 100,000+ year old ancient technology.... you can't have better technology in some areas then simple things like life support not being able to be created... ESPECIALLY when you're using a f'ing star as your power source...

Tim

timmciglobal
October 24th, 2009, 07:29 PM
One final point re Atlantis shield...

So 10,000 years ago the ancients abandon atlantis and we find out late in season 1 weere went back in time because the ZPM's run in parralel actually fail and the first expedition all die save her... so the solution is she changes them out once per 3K or so years...

Here is the problem... they city is submerged... under water... 2 parts hydrogen one part oxygen... so ... 100,000 years ago they can build a ship who's shield survives a star and is recharged by hydrogen but 99,000 years later the most advanced ancient city ever created can't use the billions of gallons of water around it to power a shield doing nothing but holding back the water and keeping the ZPM's in storage...

Yes... this is idiotic.

Tim

The_Asgard_live
October 24th, 2009, 07:29 PM
The one point no one here seems to comprehend is this magicscience fails to work because it's a PREQUEL... this is 100,000+ year old ancient technology.... you can't have better technology in some areas then simple things like life support not being able to be created... ESPECIALLY when you're using a f'ing star as your power source...

Tim
I don't know, I think I got it.

wargrafix
October 24th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Perhaps thats how they did it...old school. lol.

Myles
October 24th, 2009, 07:33 PM
One final point re Atlantis shield...

So 10,000 years ago the ancients abandon atlantis and we find out late in season 1 weere went back in time because the ZPM's run in parralel actually fail and the first expedition all die save her... so the solution is she changes them out once per 3K or so years...

Here is the problem... they city is submerged... under water... 2 parts hydrogen one part oxygen... so ... 100,000 years ago they can build a ship who's shield survives a star and is recharged by hydrogen but 99,000 years later the most advanced ancient city ever created can't use the billions of gallons of water around it to power a shield doing nothing but holding back the water and keeping the ZPM's in storage...

Yes... this is idiotic.

Tim

FYI, Atlantis was built and launched millions of years ago.

timmciglobal
October 24th, 2009, 07:38 PM
So pick... either destiny is older and less advanced then atlantis or it's newer and more advanced... it can't be both newer and missing critical basic technology or older and more advanced then it's newer cousin.

The simple fact is the producers have given up on the core of fans who appriciate continuity and logic and went with the "it's an angel man... that's why starbuck knew where to go...she's always been an angel" crowd.

Tim

Skydiver
October 24th, 2009, 07:44 PM
the destiny can be both.

we know nothing about the Ancients and their past and history.

for all we know they were divided and Atlantis was built by one group of them, Destiny another.

along the line of, in human history, how the heck did the ancient humans build the pyramids and solar observatories that are just as complex and accurate as what we build today?

just because something is old doens't mean that it's primitive.

they could be the equivalent of the House Amish and Church Amish....two groups from the same religion, yet one of them allows some 'modern conveniences', electricity, etc, and the other disallows even the most basic of 'modern conveniences'

Short story...we can't assume that all ancients were alike, in demeanor or thought, planning or abilities

LoneStar1836
October 24th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Well at least this episode was better than last week's. Still nothing spectacular though.

It had some really good character moments and some great VXF, but overall it wasn't that engaging from beginning to end.

I'll start off positive and list what I liked first...

- VXF of the Destiny in the star.

- Wray telling Young that he needed to step up and make the decision of who went. She may have been doing that partly out of selfishness, but she was right. Random drawing was not benefiting anyone. Young needed to man up and make the tough decision to do what's best for the group rather than the individual. Unless he himself really didn't believe that those going to the planet were going to survive anyway...so it was a random drawing to see who would die quick and who would die slowly. But still even if that were the case, he still needed to give those going a fighting chance by picking people who had training to deal with such a situation...which, imo, would have been mostly military personnel, and a relevant scientist or two. (Though the geologist woman from Air pt 3 is already gone so....) Imo, Young took the easy way out...basically taking the burden of decision/leadership off his shoulders. Don't get me wrong. I still like Young, but I think he should have handled that differently.

- Wray finally got to do something in an episode. I actually liked what I saw of her in this episode.

- Rush. I do not think he knew the ship would fix itself. He might have had suspicions, but I do think he was genuinely resigned to dying. Why starve to death on some rock of a planet that you knew nothing about or just go out quick.... What could he possibly have to gain from knowing and not saying anything? The shuttle had all the supplies. So I think it was wrong of Young to accuse him like that. Rush is not evil. :rolleyes: I do think he is questionable which I find interesting (that's why he's my #1 character as well as for RC's acting), but let's not make him out to be villainous.

- The one background player I care about got lucky (or unlucky considering that planet was barely habitable) and got his name drawn. Plus I finally learned his name...Darren Becker, the mess hall cook. Yay! Unlike Luke (unofficial name) the food server from that one S5 episode of SG-1 with McKay and the lemon chicken. But Luke did have have his own fan fic. :D

- Finally learning why Greer was in the brig.

- Greer's kino message. His was the only interesting one of the whole bunch.

- The people playing cards as the ship descends into the star. lol. I think I'd have been right there with them.

- Eli. I wanted to hug him in this episode. Poor guy.


I didn't hate anything about this episode. Not even the sex scene. I rolled my eyes at it, but whatever. Chloe latching onto Scott has only made me dislike the Scott character more and more. I hate her so by extension I now don't much care about him...because if that is going to be the pairing on this show, then bleh. If I could actually stand her, I might not mind so much.

I was 99.9% sure last week that the ship set a course towards the star on purpose in order to recharge itself. So absolutely no suspense there. Ditto on the retrieval of the shuttle and how it was done. If it had been a shuttle completely full of nobodies then I might have wondered if it was going to make it or not, but it had 3 named cast so....

The plot was all entirely predictable for the sake of character development. While that is not necessarily a bad thing, these characters still are just not that interesting. You could kill all of the mains (except for Eli. I'd be sad for him.), and I wouldn't really care. I'd actually cheer if Chloe departed permanently. ;) So watching them face death...meh. For me, just not that compelling this early on. So far this show is having to be carried entirely by the characters, and that is why it just hasn't wowed me. I'm gradually liking some of the characters more...like Young and Greer and TJ...but so far don't have much emotional investment in them.

On to some nitpicks....

I would have thought though that as advanced as this ship is that it would have automatic docking. I'd think the ship would be smart enough to detect that a shuttle was in very close proximity and that the Destiny would adjust its speed as well as take over the maneuvering of the shuttle, but whatever. Maybe that system is broken.

And a lottery drawing with 80 names on those big ol' pieces of paper. Yes. What a stupid thing to notice...I know, but those names were not going to shuffle very well with the pieces of paper being so large, especially considering how Young shuffled the box. The names on top should have basically stayed on top of the pile. That comes pretty darn close to rigging the lottery cuz I didn't notice Young digging to the bottom of the box for a name. Like I said, stupid thing to notice. :D

Oh and what was the point of showing Spencer take those pills. Is that for future reference? I thought he was possible committing suicide, but apparently not.

I have hope for next week's episode as they go EXPLORE! (Or at least get off that ship) Yay! I like the character stuff when it's done well, but they need to go do something as well. That's why I liked Air pt 3, they were out doing something in a different setting and character building at the same time.

teflonrobg
October 24th, 2009, 07:49 PM
Did they ever mention the characters name of the girl that they ran into in the hall way (half naked) that the two nerd guys were trying too see naked with the flying ball thing? I didn't see her until now.

The_Asgard_live
October 24th, 2009, 07:51 PM
the destiny can be both.
we know nothing about the Ancients and their past and history.

for all we know they were divided and Atlantis was built by one group of them, Destiny another.

It is true that there is some assuming going on, but how much really?

Correct me if I am wrong (and I might be), wasn't Destiny discovered in the Atlantis database? And, wasn't Destiny meant to be dialed from Earth, home of Atlantis? Finally, the 9th chevron... isn't that its purpose?

I would say all evidence points that Atlantis ancients and Destiny ancients, same lineage.

Skydiver
October 24th, 2009, 07:56 PM
the one thing i liked about greer's message...he didn't whinge

I know i was grumpy last friday, but the whining and complaining - while normal - got on my nerves.

the destiny recharging via a star, yeah, a 'twist' so obvious it wasn't a twist at all. A cool explanation for it never running out of power, kudos for coming up with a good idea and power supply that isn't as mundane as 'omg, we need a new zpm'

the effects were great, gold star for those

the scott/chloe scene didn't bug me cause it was 'omg, sex!!!!1'
but it was just seemingly out of nowhere. I dunno, i don't quite get the 'i'm gonna die soon, let's shag' mind set. it's so cliche that it's not even worthy of a crack fic.

I don't think rush KNEW that he was safe, but he might have suspected or at least considered. he was 'human' when he thought he'd die on his dream ship, but returned to being a jerk when he again had to share.

I too hope they get to exploring soon...because endless episodes of dysfunctional people complaining and annoying each other is gonna get old

Skydiver
October 24th, 2009, 08:00 PM
Did they ever mention the characters name of the girl that they ran into in the hall way (half naked) that the two nerd guys were trying too see naked with the flying ball thing? I didn't see her until now.
vanessa james. she's who was 'with' scott in the supply closet


It is true that there is some assuming going on, but how much really?

Correct me if I am wrong (and I might be), wasn't Destiny discovered in the Atlantis database? And, wasn't Destiny meant to be dialed from Earth, home of Atlantis? Finally, the 9th chevron... isn't that its purpose?

I would say all evidence points that Atlantis ancients and Destiny ancients, same lineage.

they are the same lineage...but my point is...it could be like the americans and russians both making an atomic bomb (big honkin ship), each had a similar goal, but each took different tactics and materials and attitude, so they ended up with similar but different outcomes.

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 08:15 PM
I too hope they get to exploring soon...because endless episodes of dysfunctional people complaining and annoying each other is gonna get old
Thats my hope too.

wurlitzer153
October 24th, 2009, 08:23 PM
Here is the problem... they city is submerged... under water... 2 parts hydrogen one part oxygen... so ... 100,000 years ago they can build a ship who's shield survives a star and is recharged by hydrogen but 99,000 years later the most advanced ancient city ever created can't use the billions of gallons of water around it to power a shield doing nothing but holding back the water and keeping the ZPM's in storage...

Yes... this is idiotic.

Tim

There's a major flaw in your theory: It takes a lot of energy to convert water into hydrogen. It simply is not a feasible option.

MattSilver 3k
October 24th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Thats my hope too.

I can't wait for Water and Time then. They seem to fit the mould for offworld hijinks!

Commander Zelix
October 24th, 2009, 08:27 PM
I can't wait for Water and Time then. They seem to fit the mould for offworld hijinks!
Yes. I just hope its more eventful than air part 3.

Dain
October 24th, 2009, 08:49 PM
There's a major flaw in your theory: It takes a lot of energy to convert water into hydrogen. It simply is not a feasible option.

Eh, no, not really. You get more energy out of the nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms than you need for the chemical splitting of water molecules. At least theoretically. That's why we do research into fusion in the first place here on Earth.


It is true that there is some assuming going on, but how much really?

Correct me if I am wrong (and I might be), wasn't Destiny discovered in the Atlantis database? And, wasn't Destiny meant to be dialed from Earth, home of Atlantis? Finally, the 9th chevron... isn't that its purpose?

I would say all evidence points that Atlantis ancients and Destiny ancients, same lineage.

Well, yes, but knowing about each other and being constructed by the same species isn't exactly very precise. That requirement fits on nearly all two random human-build objects here on Earth you care to name.

Everything else is unknown.

wargrafix
October 24th, 2009, 08:53 PM
There is something in this series that handles something very right. In Sg1 and atlantis, spaceflight is taken for granted that everything magically works. The grittier feel is consistent to a race that has barely ad enough experience in deep space.

PG15
October 24th, 2009, 08:59 PM
My biggest problem with this scene is that Spencer was unconsicous for just under seven minutes. that means CONCUSSION. That does not mean you get up and start walking around. If anything, he should have gotten sick and tossed up his cookies, then wondered what the hell was going on and possibly have no recollection of this episode's imminent death theme.

Was the 7 minutes in-show time or just how long it took to get from the punch-out scene to the waking-up scene?

Because, you know, this ain't 24. ;)





reddevil18: When rush admits he's wrong you see the destiny actually drop into the core of the star and Eli says "Guy's we're in the star.. " the military commander says "But that's thousands of degrees" and rush says "much hotter, we just flown threw the chrona"

A star's chrona is millions of degrees, where all the solar wind and planet shattering magnetic fields are...


But I do believe it's extremely tenous.

I mean, I'm no expert on solar science, but does temperature mean anything when the only real way of transfering heat is radiation? Sure, you get cooked, but you won't get heated as fast as if you were surrounded by air molecules that can directly transfer heat to you by convection and conduction.


And you still ignore the fact there are dozens of safer ways then flying into a star to collect hydrogen or helium.... in fact since stargates only go to planets so far that support human life.... GO COLLECTING FROM ONE OF THEM....

This is all assuming that the ship was going after the Hydrogen and the Helium, which we can't be sure of.

For all we know it was going after the evergy being outputted by the star itself, which obviously means that we need the star.

On a completely separate note, did anyone notice the neat callback with Franklin in this episode?

In Darkness, when the ship lost power, he comes out of his room/lab/whatever and says "The lights just went off in my room" while Young and others just walked past him.

In this episode, when the ship regains power, the same thing happens, except it's "The lights just went on in my room".

Sweet. :D

GateroomGuard
October 24th, 2009, 09:25 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong on this... in 'Light' Eli comes up with the kino diaries. So if thats the case then the ones in 'Darkness' are basically flashbacks right? That might explain why everyone was so pesimistic. They've just been told that their going to fly into a sun and Eli comes up asking to record their last thoughts, most of them would be pretty negative.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 09:25 PM
Was the 7 minutes in-show time or just how long it took to get from the punch-out scene to the waking-up scene?

Because, you know, this ain't 24. ;)




But I do believe it's extremely tenous.

I mean, I'm no expert on solar science, but does temperature mean anything when the only real way of transfering heat is radiation? Sure, you get cooked, but you won't get heated as fast as if you were surrounded by air molecules that can directly transfer heat to you by convection and conduction.



This is all assuming that the ship was going after the Hydrogen and the Helium, which we can't be sure of.

For all we know it was going after the evergy being outputted by the star itself, which obviously means that we need the star.

On a completely separate note, did anyone notice the neat callback with Franklin in this episode?
In Darkness, when the ship lost power, he comes out of his room/lab/whatever and says "The lights just went off in my room" while Young and others just walked past him.

In this episode, when the ship regains power, the same thing happens, except it's "The lights just went on in my room".

Sweet. :D

Only about half the forum:P

timmciglobal
October 24th, 2009, 09:31 PM
If it isn't helium or hydrogen then a star does not produce enough energy per square foot of surface area of a ship to make this even sci-fi-logical.

The simple reality of this is the producers stoped caring enough to bother with a technical adviser who's opinion matters. The technical adviser would of said quickly "have them collect it from a gas giant or invent a new method of creating ZPM's that only function inside of a star."

And if they did go after some heavy element again... thousands of easier ways to get it...

And re: the heat transfer... no. In general yes being surrounded by a liquid of X degrees transfers heat better then gas of x degrees but the difference here is the star is outputting not only heat from the gas being millions of degrees but immense (it would make a nuclear detonation look like a match) amounts of radiation in every spectrum which is going to cause immense amounts of heat in any surface it comes in contact with.

They could of (if they gave a damn) about this series in terms of science explained how a ZPM is created and used this star thing as a neat explanation and gave some incredibly rare element only found in very very rare circumstances and destiny had been looking for a star for months when they gated to it and it was a case of bad timing with the power. This would of expanded an unknown part of SG logic vs this rediculous bull**** of using helium/hydrogen/just solar energy collection to power FTL/massive gigantic spaceship.

Tim

Eternal Density
October 24th, 2009, 09:35 PM
I don't see why anyone would bother with Spencer given that they're all expecting to die soon and TJ has 'left the building'.

I wonder how long a refuel will last, and whether people will arguing to try dialling Earth again now that Destiny is at full power.

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Actually if you want to be honest 90% of the audience just wouldn't care about the science behind how the Destiny converts sun energy into power. A technical advisor for that situation seems like a waste of resources

Pharaoh Atem
October 24th, 2009, 09:38 PM
Actually if you want to be honest 90% of the audience just wouldn't care about the science behind how the Destiny converts sun energy into power. A technical advisor for that situation seems like a waste of resources

i'm one of them i rarely think about how did this happen or how does this work. when watching tv shows probably why i enjoy them more them 90% of fandom

Eternal Density
October 24th, 2009, 09:40 PM
In reference to the beginning of Jper's megapost, I'm really liking how the show starts with Rush saying "Destiny. The design is clearly Ancient." I hope they stick with that. For me it's up there with "My name is Sydney Bristow." :P

[edit]On another note, I wonder whether it's fandom that has "jumped the shark" :P Or maybe we've... jumped the snark :D

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 09:49 PM
Cut out Cloe's 45 min. sex scene and we have a 1 parter. In fact, cut out all Cloe scenes, and so far we would've only had 2-3 episodes instead of 5. Why is Cloe even in this show. And why hasn't the Stargate been used since the 3rd episode? What's the name of the show again, I remember the word "Stargate" was in there.

*facepalm*

jelgate
October 24th, 2009, 09:51 PM
*facepalm*

Was it even 45 seconds?

Cold Fuzz
October 24th, 2009, 09:55 PM
Was it even 45 seconds?

With all the negative attention the scene has been getting, it might as well have been 45,000 years. :P

spinny magee
October 24th, 2009, 09:55 PM
Well....I was expecting something different with the "forces that no one could have foreseen".

Could of been better though. Spencer is definitely the one who suicides.

MattSilver 3k
October 24th, 2009, 09:56 PM
With all the attention the scene has been getting, it might as well have been 45,000 years. :P

I'm thinking about 45 pages worth of over-dramatisation awards.

duffarama
October 24th, 2009, 09:57 PM
Its official. I am an now an SGU fan, this was an amazing episode.
I am full agreement. The first 4 episodes I liked, but I absolutely loved this episode. It just keeps getting better. :cool:

adros47
October 24th, 2009, 09:58 PM
I have hated all the episodes so far but this was actually ok. Even though it was predictable I found the writing to be much better. Things seemed to flow better without dull or useless scenes.

I do have one major complaint though. Where the heck did the Scott/Chloe relationship come from? I know they just wanted to have some sex before they died but they were acting as if they were an old married couple. I felt this came out of nowhere and was easily the worst writing of the episode. Sorry but that relationship came out of nowhere. Total lack of development on the relationship.

Extra:
I don't think Chloe is playing Eli. I got the idea she was looking at him like he was an older brother looking out for her.

She does look at Eli like an older brother but she's playing him because she knows he is attracted to her.

eliteaceman
October 24th, 2009, 10:04 PM
Rodney would have ran an extention cord from his Magic Tablet or the shuttle :-D

Cold Fuzz
October 24th, 2009, 10:09 PM
I'm thinking about 45 pages worth of over-dramatisation awards.

:D Awesome!

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 10:27 PM
Was it even 45 seconds?

lol no.

Franklyn Blaze
October 24th, 2009, 10:31 PM
Reading the title I thought "What would Rush do?" :)

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 10:37 PM
the destiny can be both.

we know nothing about the Ancients and their past and history.

for all we know they were divided and Atlantis was built by one group of them, Destiny another.

along the line of, in human history, how the heck did the ancient humans build the pyramids and solar observatories that are just as complex and accurate as what we build today?

just because something is old doens't mean that it's primitive.

they could be the equivalent of the House Amish and Church Amish....two groups from the same religion, yet one of them allows some 'modern conveniences', electricity, etc, and the other disallows even the most basic of 'modern conveniences'

Short story...we can't assume that all ancients were alike, in demeanor or thought, planning or abilities

The best analogy is car manufacturers. Just because we're all human doesn't mean we all make/drive the same cars.

And we do know a little about the Ancients. Like the fact that they have phase-shifting tech and figured out a way to draw energy from sub-space millions of years ago.

So it's entirely possible to believe they'd figured out a way to dip into the surface of a star to replenish energy.

If a ZPM could power the Daedalus' shields long enough to block a solar flare, there's no reason to believe the Destiny's shields couldn't do the same.

Shan Bruce Lee
October 24th, 2009, 10:41 PM
She does look at Eli like an older brother but she's playing him because she knows he is attracted to her.

What's that based on?

Vapor
October 24th, 2009, 11:13 PM
She does look at Eli like an older brother but she's playing him because she knows he is attracted to her.

I have no idea where people are getting this idea from. They're clearly friends. She clearly needs a friend right now, for a variety of reasons. In their situation, it's reasonable to assume people latch onto each other super-quickly. That doesn't mean that she's fully aware of Eli's attraction to her and is using her "assets" to trick him somehow. They're friends. Who keep almost-dying near each other. Kinda creates a bond.

Vapor
October 24th, 2009, 11:29 PM
Someone said Rodney wouldn't have had a freak-out moment like Rush did but I think he would TOTALLY freak out. And it wouldn't be due to the caffeine and cig deprivation, it would be because Rodney always does this when they're in trouble. His mind goes to the worst possible scenario and then sticks with that until someone slaps him out of it.

Then and only then would he reroute power from the hoozey-whatsit, initiate a static shield flux to push them away from the sun. Teyla would state the obvious fact that, although they're not going to burn up in the star, they're still lost without engines. Ronon would wish there was something that he could shoot at so that he could be useful in such a situation, and proceed to eat lots of food while Zelenka tries not to notice his bad table manners. Sheppard would say "RODNEY!" in that lovably sitcommy sort of way, and Rodney's eyes would go large as he gets the most brilliant idea anyone has ever had ever (this week) and launches the hyper-charged shuttle into the sun to blow it up and rocket the Destiny into the next star system, where they would conveniently be placed just barely in range of a planet with all the resources they need to fix everything perfectly.

Everyone sits around a table in the mess hall, laughing at a joke about McKay's high school days and we fade to black.

Sebastian
October 25th, 2009, 12:10 AM
Awesome episode. It has been a long time since a tv show managed to give me goose bumps. The plunge into the star and the gas giant slingshot (Darkness) did just that for me; the audio and visual were in sync and hit the spot. It was pure awesome. I haven't seen stuff like this since Sunshine (I loved the CGI in that movie).

The music is way more sci-fi than SG-1 or SGA. It fits perfectly with the mood of the series. I mixes a bunch of styles but in the end it works out. I can sense some Blade Runner (Vangelis), with dash of Mass Effect (game) and of course the orchestra.

Check out the intro to Mass Effect; awesome stuff imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tBFPy8sauw&feature=related

Blande Runner (20s to 1:20):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJrOVLEUBgw

I love that they used a similar style.

kgirluvr
October 25th, 2009, 01:18 AM
didnt read 11 pages, but odds are Rush didnt know. He made his life about finding the 9th chevron and secrets of the ancients.

His eccentric attitude changed when he realized his dream was dying. He was being somewhat apologenic with Young, which is out of his normal char.

But i like the way that rush likes to manipulate the crew by acting arrogant at the end. The story writers used this plot device to separate the trust against rush, so it wont be a happy ending on the ship. Authority drama issues makes good story line, not everyone getting along and being selfless.

Infy
October 25th, 2009, 01:26 AM
Perhaps Rodney and Zlenka could create a wormhole drive for Destiny so they can zoom back to Earth within a second :rolleyes:
They way Rodney solved problems was just so unbelievable and unrealistic

jcainhaze
October 25th, 2009, 01:34 AM
Rodney would have already accesed all the ships systems and bridge within the first 5 min of the show. Then engineered a way to get home or blow up an entire solar system by the end of ep. 1.

Cold Fuzz
October 25th, 2009, 01:58 AM
Rodney wouldn't have time to do anything because Greer would throw him out of an airlock for whining.

And to please reddevil, Greer is naked when he does it. :p

OK, your post made my night! :D Greenage coming your way...if the system would allow me to actually give them to you. :(

Glynne H
October 25th, 2009, 02:07 AM
[QUOTE=Mr. Domino;10739211]Where'd you get that?

I enjoyed this episode, although I had issues with the 'twist' being so dang predictable. I mean, I think everyone here knew at the end of Darkness that Destiny was going to use the sun to recharge itself.[/QUOTE

Yup...saw this coming a parsec away, from the last shot of 'Darkness'.
I think the writers saw 'Lost in Space' (Matt le Blanc version from 1998).

Also, call me impatient, but we know now Rush has a massive hidden agenda. So no more drip feeding hints, and lets get dark :jack:

Eternal Density
October 25th, 2009, 02:22 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong on this... in 'Light' Eli comes up with the kino diaries. So if thats the case then the ones in 'Darkness' are basically flashbacks right?You mean flashforwards. Or something. But yeah, out of sequence. Had to be, or Eli would have been 'filming' a kinovid while Chloe stood in the dark shower for five minutes doing nothing.

Lahela
October 25th, 2009, 02:27 AM
Also, call me impatient, but we know now Rush has a massive hidden agenda. So no more drip feeding hints, and lets get dark :jack:

How do we "know"? Because he was obtuse with Young? Or because he was genuinely thrilled to realise that the ship was repowering itself? Or because he apologised to Eli? Or that he saw the inappropriateness of his description of their impending to doom to Chloe and tried to temper it? Or that he admitted he was wrong?

He's a complex character, but that doesn't make him "dark". It just makes him three dimensional. He clearly has a great deal of trouble relating to other people (the balk at Young's offer of his hand, the flinch at the pat on the back of the head, the lip quiver at his utter awkwardness with Chloe) and IMO that was what drove the reply to Young at the end. He hadn't made a sacrifice by removing his name from the lottery, as Young had suggested - he had no reason nor any desire to eke out an existence with a bunch of people he feels no human connection with. Faced with the choice, he would rather die on the ship - the thing that had become his raison d'être. That's not something a social misfit would want to explain in words (or is even capable of articulating) to someone he has no connection with. Better to keep the mistrust going and know you'll be left well alone.

Buzz Lightyear
October 25th, 2009, 03:02 AM
OK. I'll give you that Stargate has been predictable before, but in this instance the suspense of the entire episode depended on the belief that they all might die and I never believed it for a second. If one character had said, "I think Destiny is just going to collect Solar energy." and someone else had a reason why that would not work, maybe I would have felt it. I didn't. Additionally, I think part of it is that I'm not attached to the characters, with the exception of Eli.

Really? You think the writers expected viewers to believe 80% of the cast could be killed off in episode 5 of a new series, not to mention the destruction of the Destiny - the entire basis of the series? You must have a very low regard for the intelligence of your fellow viewers.

Yes, we all knew the Destiny would survive, just as we knew the shuttle would survive too. The writers would hardly kill off or strand Scott, Johansen and Wray - 3 of the principal cast members. So if these key plot points were fixed and immutable, then the actual drama of the episode comes from what happens to the characters as they all go from point A to point B. In that regard, I thought it turned out very well, aside from the annoyingly premature hook-up between Scott and Chloe.

Schneeule
October 25th, 2009, 03:07 AM
Did Young tell Telford about the Shuttle Plan for saving 17 people?

If not, how they can hope to be found or rescuded someday?
(Did they have the communication thing on board?)


Regards from "Old Europe" Germany ;-)

dan007
October 25th, 2009, 03:16 AM
A lot of people are complaining about the "soap" aspect of the show so far, but we have to remember that its still early in. Character development is a necessity. In a lot of cases, that's going to carry some "soap" drama with it. There has to be more to the story than just suspense and action, or you limit the TYPE of characters that can be involved.

These people are stranded, apart from all of humanity save each other. It makes sense that relationships for good or ill are going to be developed in the beginning. Everyone is learning where they stand, both with each other, and their place in the group as a whole.

As for the Chloe/Scott/Eli situation. I'm all for it as it is right now. Chloe doesn't have a lot to offer to the story in general right now, but through Eli, I'm loving her character. Eli is the one person on that ship I can relate to most, and I hope they continue to develop the relationship between him and Chloe. I WANT to see how their friendship grows, and hopefully changes somewhere down the line to something more. I'm all for an Eli/Chloe ship...I just hope it's a possibility. I'm tired of seeing the tough stud get the girl, but in this last episode, I think it was intended to present Eli with a challenge to overcome...and I want to see if he can do it. I want to see if Chloe can take his feelings seriously after they've spent more time together.

Buzz Lightyear
October 25th, 2009, 03:19 AM
Not only was the Chloe/Scott hookup out of left field, it was also counter to the relationships they already had been establishing, namely Scott/James and Eli/Chloe.

All this did was make Chloe look like a tramp.

In fact thus far there is a bad problem with the depiction of women on SGU. By showing them basically having sex on a whim rather than in the context of a mature relationship it is demeaning, basically giving women the type of characterization they get in the sort of sleazy porn one gets on late nite cable TV (and tries to avoid).

Did SG-1 and SGA have sex? Yes, but when they did there was history behind it and it fit into the storyline. That is not too much too ask. At this point SGU's treatment of sex has been sophomoric and treatment of women little better.

I agree the hook-up between Scott and Chloe was far too premature but why are you picking on Chloe as the "tramp" and decrying the treatment of women? By my count, in 5 episodes, Lt. Scott has had the most on-screen sex, not to mention the flashback about him getting a girl pregnant as a teen. I think he's the one "basically having sex on a whim". Shouldn't you be calling him the slut and pointing out that SGU is portraying young men as single-minded sex-preoccupied sleazebags?

Buzz Lightyear
October 25th, 2009, 03:26 AM
So from most of the posters here, everyone believes that a ship, the Alterans built it, could enter a sun and recharge it's power source from it? No one disbelieve it?

What's to disbelieve? I don't know much about how advanced the Alterans were. Do you?

At the very least, I think the Alterans were capable of creating artificial intelligence in the supercomputer that controls Destiny. If one is able to accept that the Voyager probe can return after a few hundred years as the all-powerful V'ger entity in Star Trek The Motion Picture, surely Destiny's self-sustaining technology could have evolved just a bit after a million years?

Abiron
October 25th, 2009, 03:46 AM
I'm not entirely sure why so many people assume that all Ancient tech will be exactly the same. Here and now, we have multitudes of pieces of technology that do similar things in similar ways, but are fundamentally different.

If the major differences between Destiny and other Ancient ships such as, say, Atlantis are making you lose sleep, consider this:

Atlantis was a manned installation/vessel, and its "crew" were probably making changes and improvements to the city's hardware and software regularly. In much the same way as we might retrofit a home built in 1910 with energy-efficient features and new technology like triple-paned windows and more efficient furnaces, the inhabitants of Atlantis would have been developing and implementing new features into their "ancient" city. They were living there; to the best of our knowledge, it was a living city with constant progress being made.

For a perhaps more relevant example, take the A-10. It's a modern aircraft, but it was designed to be both survivable and simple. No digital fly-by-wire systems, no supercomputer to offload the majority of piloting tasks, yet it shares the skies with the likes of the F-117 and F-22, which have significantly more advanced systems.

Destiny was sent out with no crew, on a mission that required it to be self-sufficient to an incredible degree. Rather than outfit such a ship with the latest and greatest in Ancient tech, it was instead fitted with older, tried-and-true technology that would guarantee the ship's ability to survive long enough to fulfill its mission. Perhaps the FTL drive on Destiny was the same technology used by Ancient ships before they discovered Hyperspace, or was simply deemed more reliable based on the designers' ignorance of how hyperspace might behave outside of the known areas of space. Look at the shuttle's drive systems as an example: they appear to be at least partially reaction-based, with visible evidence of thrust and maneuvering jets. The humble Puddle Jumper, by comparison, is largely reactionless...which I would assume is a more advanced, yet more finicky, form of propulsion.

Destiny was built to survive. It was apparently designed to refuel from one of the most constant sources in the universe: stars. Not gas giants, which might be sparse in the uncharted galaxies it was meant to travel, but the stellar furnaces that are quite obviously present in distant galaxies no matter what else might be found there. When you don't know what resources you might have, you plan for the most basic. Does that mean that Destiny can't use other fuel sources? No...but it was apparently programmed to use stars, and until the crew can truly take control of the ship, that's what it will use.

Is it magic-science? No. It's television. If we're willing to accept such basic SF conceits as artificial gravity, FTL drives, and the Stargate itself, why is it so hard to accept that Destiny isn't like other Ancient hardware? It's all about suspension of disbelief. And I, for one, am happy to do so.

P-90_177
October 25th, 2009, 04:00 AM
I'm not entirely sure why so many people assume that all Ancient tech will be exactly the same. Here and now, we have multitudes of pieces of technology that do similar things in similar ways, but are fundamentally different.

If the major differences between Destiny and other Ancient ships such as, say, Atlantis are making you lose sleep, consider this:

Atlantis was a manned installation/vessel, and its "crew" were probably making changes and improvements to the city's hardware and software regularly. In much the same way as we might retrofit a home built in 1910 with energy-efficient features and new technology like triple-paned windows and more efficient furnaces, the inhabitants of Atlantis would have been developing and implementing new features into their "ancient" city. They were living there; to the best of our knowledge, it was a living city with constant progress being made.

For a perhaps more relevant example, take the A-10. It's a modern aircraft, but it was designed to be both survivable and simple. No digital fly-by-wire systems, no supercomputer to offload the majority of piloting tasks, yet it shares the skies with the likes of the F-117 and F-22, which have significantly more advanced systems.

Destiny was sent out with no crew, on a mission that required it to be self-sufficient to an incredible degree. Rather than outfit such a ship with the latest and greatest in Ancient tech, it was instead fitted with older, tried-and-true technology that would guarantee the ship's ability to survive long enough to fulfill its mission. Perhaps the FTL drive on Destiny was the same technology used by Ancient ships before they discovered Hyperspace, or was simply deemed more reliable based on the designers' ignorance of how hyperspace might behave outside of the known areas of space. Look at the shuttle's drive systems as an example: they appear to be at least partially reaction-based, with visible evidence of thrust and maneuvering jets. The humble Puddle Jumper, by comparison, is largely reactionless...which I would assume is a more advanced, yet more finicky, form of propulsion.

Destiny was built to survive. It was apparently designed to refuel from one of the most constant sources in the universe: stars. Not gas giants, which might be sparse in the uncharted galaxies it was meant to travel, but the stellar furnaces that are quite obviously present in distant galaxies no matter what else might be found there. When you don't know what resources you might have, you plan for the most basic. Does that mean that Destiny can't use other fuel sources? No...but it was apparently programmed to use stars, and until the crew can truly take control of the ship, that's what it will use.

Is it magic-science? No. It's television. If we're willing to accept such basic SF conceits as artificial gravity, FTL drives, and the Stargate itself, why is it so hard to accept that Destiny isn't like other Ancient hardware? It's all about suspension of disbelief. And I, for one, am happy to do so.

I actually loved this episode partially because it brought back the concept established in early SG1 that the Ancients were these incredible thinkers that could create wonderous and impossible pieces of technology. Rather than the wimpy tech they seemed to have on atlantis which could be solved by McKay and zalenka in moments. Actually the only part in the ep in that sort of sense that annoyed me was when Scott so easily managed to pilot the shuttle.

Buzz Lightyear
October 25th, 2009, 04:04 AM
I wonder what the Destiny thinks of its crew. If theyre like its children, or if it sees them like we do stomach bacteria; doing their job for the greater whole. It stopped to let the crew repair its oxygen recyclers, but didnt wait for the shuttle. Do i care if a few of the bacteria that help me digest food get wasted?

As long as the ship's intelligent computer doesn't create an android avatar to represent itself like a certain Kevin Sorbo series, I'll be happy.

Buzz Lightyear
October 25th, 2009, 04:19 AM
Now, in my book, he's done a helluva lot for her, some of which were virtual demands, without any real complaint on his part. You'd think, if she were looking for someone to bang, she'd go with the guy who did the most for her.

We have a word for that: Used.

Actually, I would have said "big brother" or "gay best friend".

Personally, I didn't see any sexual chemistry between them, including the awkward moment when he was standing guard while she had that shower.

reddevil18
October 25th, 2009, 04:47 AM
Ah, the gay best friend...A woman's most prized accessory. Not even billions of light years away would Chloe give hers up...Even if he's not really gay.

IcarusAbides
October 25th, 2009, 06:11 AM
Perhaps he did and it wasn't included in the episode but i don't think he did. They don't need to check in with the SGC everytime something bad happens or when they make a decision. I'm sure the LRC stones would have been aboard the shuttle so that the survivors could communicate but without the Destiny any chance of a rescue would surely have gon with it.

jelgate
October 25th, 2009, 07:05 AM
Ah, the gay best friend...A woman's most prized accessory. Not even billions of light years away would Chloe give hers up...Even if he's not really gay.

It sounds like you speak from experence:P

Cory Holmes
October 25th, 2009, 07:22 AM
As long as the ship's intelligent computer doesn't create an android avatar to represent itself like a certain Kevin Sorbo series, I'll be happy.

Word.

YutheGreat
October 25th, 2009, 07:24 AM
I was away for the weekend and was just watching it now:

I was hoping Eli got chosen but from his nature would give his seat to Chloe

Knowing what Eli knows do you think he would have given up his seat for Chloe?

jelgate
October 25th, 2009, 07:27 AM
No.

Given the situation I think everyone would have been selfish about their own lives. Which is understandable given the situation

Schneeule
October 25th, 2009, 07:30 AM
I dont think so.

But if Rush did gamble with the sun-power-up thing - would he leave Eli gone?

Regards from germany

s09119
October 25th, 2009, 07:30 AM
I think Eli would have taken the seat but would keep trying to figure out a solution anyway, until they had to watch the ship plow into the star.

reddevil18
October 25th, 2009, 07:34 AM
It sounds like you speak from experence:PYes, well...*cough*:jack_new15:

BrianD
October 25th, 2009, 07:40 AM
I was somewhat disappointed in this episode. They spent the whole episode really doing nothing. While I didn't predict Destiny would go into the sun I would definitely say it was relatively predicable that the power would become restored by the sun.

YutheGreat
October 25th, 2009, 07:41 AM
What if he did that but he knew that the ship was going to be okay in the end. I think self-sacrifice would put him waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead.

The_Daedalus
October 25th, 2009, 07:44 AM
What was that scene with Eli on Earth, on his beedroom?
Why was he thinking on that?
What do you think of this scene?

renboy
October 25th, 2009, 07:46 AM
I just put up a review of Light on the sticky review post.
Hope you like it :)

jelgate
October 25th, 2009, 07:51 AM
What if he did that but he knew that the ship was going to be okay in the end. I think self-sacrifice would put him waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead.

If that was the case Eli would look very suspicious to the other 80 people kind of like Rush at the end

KEK
October 25th, 2009, 07:54 AM
He's known her for 5 minutes, I don't think he'd be willing to condemn himself to death so she could live just yet.

thekillman
October 25th, 2009, 07:54 AM
he was thinking of home, how it would be if he was home, and he more or less realised that had he actually done something, he wouldnt be there.

reddevil18
October 25th, 2009, 07:55 AM
He realised how big a loser he is. Then he got up and played with his balls.

Aaargh!
October 25th, 2009, 08:01 AM
Am I the only one who has the feeling he just watched en entire episode in which almost nothing happened ?

The flying into the sun part was a nice cliffhanger in the last episode, but I expected it to be just that, a cliffhanger that would be 'solved' in the first few minutes of the episode. It's not like it wasn't extremely obvious the ship was going to use the sun for power, we knew that a week ago.

So basically, they spent the entire episode doing nothing useful/entertaining, just to get to the very obvious 'plot twist' at the end. Just lots of drama (= filler material). And please use a steadycam.

Well, at least they got the ship powered up now, maybe we finally get a stargate worthy episode next week. So far, the new series has been a bit disappointing.

Jeff-B
October 25th, 2009, 08:31 AM
Simple regret. Just another clue that he's starting to realize it's time to grow up and be more responsible.

Wayston
October 25th, 2009, 08:40 AM
especially after it became clear he wouldn't be getting "any", to a lesser extent the fact that she possesses no useful skills other than her fertility should also be a consideration :cool:

any sane man should come to the conclusion that the woman simply doesn't deserve it!

Jper
October 25th, 2009, 09:44 AM
So I read through the 21 first pages of this thread and this is what I came up with.


omf...just a lital to over powered...what do you all think?

one powerful shield. Holy crap.

I knew the ship would be charged by the sun, but go INSIDE the sun! Crazy! Destiny seems to be even more
powerful than Atlantis!

The ship is invincible to being inside a star. If the shields can do that, the writers better have a really good
story as to why there is damage to the outer parts of the ship.

You should take into consideration that a shield becomes more powerful if you pump more power into it. So the Destiny pumped all the
remaining power into the shield, as Brody said in "Darkness", to sustain it until it reached the star, where it then could harvest solar
power. So then it could use that energy to power the shield. And when it goes deeper in the sun, it can collect more and more power, while
the shield needs more and more power. It's just the ingenious solution of powering the shield with just the element that it needs to protect
you from. The shield grows stronger while the power harvesting grows in efficiency and continues.

It was amazing, though!


Yeah, that is one powerful ship. The Ancients really did think of everything when they were designing it. To
anyone who might say its overpowered, we don't know if other ancient ships could go inside a star. Maybe Atlantis' shield would have
protected it inside of a star. Who knows. We do know the Ancients were extremely good at building technology though.

I agree it's not overpowered. We indeed don't know if the other ships could do that, and that's not even so relevant I think. It's just an
ingenious solution from the Ancients. There will always be stars around and when you can use the solar power to power your shield, you can
create a pretty powerful shield while harvesting solar power, as then you have at that moment an unlimited supply of power to use. The basic
solution, idea, anyone could work out, if you then had the technology of the Ancients it would certainly be possible.


I could tell when Rush said "thanks for letting me see the ship Eli" that he knew Destiny would survive.


Actually Rush said: "Thank you, Eli. I never thought I'd get the chance to see the ship from the outside." I think it's important how he
added "never", seems to me Rush certainly did not expect to live, but was maybe hoping to. I must wonder what Rush would have to gain by
sending their supplies off into space. If he knew, which I doubt, not for certain anyway, why would he lie about it?



The big question: Did Rush know what was going to happen?
HECK I knew.
The ship's track wasn't accidental.
The power shut down too coincidental.
It's a no brainer.
That's easy to say for you, as you weren't on the ship and you knew there are fifteen more episodes, and you knew they were going to
survive, you even had seen the Destiny from the outside. I don't think Rush was certain. And if he knew, why wouldn't he have told them?
Rush's reactions seemed pretty genuine to me. He may have suspected something, but I think he gambled big time, it was a big bet. And with
the shuttle taking off, he would have lost all the supplies, he risked those supplies, he took a lot of risks.


No,sir, he knew, I knew he knew...How could he not know?

Well maybe he really thought they were out of power. His reaction when he was alone in the control room and the mist was coming out of the
pipes, seemed pretty genuine to me. Also the "I was absolutely certain of that, and I have never been more pleased to be wrong in all my
life." reaction I found fitting for Rush being pleased he was wrong, I did not think it was fitting for Rush being pleased he was right. I
don't think he would have said that if he really knew. Wouldn't he then just have waited until the power surged back on. However, he was
already laughing and sharing the news with Eli before that happened. I think if he knew, he would have thought it through more, and this
would not have been his reaction.

Also another reason why he would not have known is maybe the fact that Destiny used the blue gas giant to slingshot around it. Why, if the
purpose was to fly into the sun, did it have to slingshot around it? Couldn't it just have flown right towards the sun? Then I think it
would have been much more obvious.


I think he [Rush] stayed on the ship thinking there was a better chance on the ship than in the shuttle.


Yes I think that's true. I think what Rush says to Young, here:

"My life's work was to be here [on the Destiny], not trying to survive
on some rock with a bunch of strangers."
I think that is the truth. Rush expected the planet to be a rock, very hard to survive and was hoping for a quick, painless death as he told
Chloe and Eli. "Hopefully it will be quick."
I found it very good character development for Rush.


I saw the look Eli and Lt. James gave each other at the beginning of the episode.
Nah, that was James still looking for a way to have her revenge for Eli spying on her. Or actually Riley spying on her, but it seems like
everyone thinks it was Eli. Poor Eli.



Oh, and also- FANTASTIC SFX. The star, the Destiny, the shuttle.. Just great.
Don't you mean VFX (Visual Effects)?
What's does it matter really? SFX is special effects and VFX is visual effects. They were both awesome. :D


i love a rechargeable ship.It actually makes alot of sense to do that
Yes it does. It's very ingenious. Thanks for making sense yourself.


Did I miss something previously, or did we just find out who the gay character is? It might be just me, because I try to avoid
spoilers until I see the episode.

I thought it was Camille Wray. I thought she was saying goodbye to her girlfriend in her Kino message.


I really enjoyed the music period, but I thought the stuff right at the end was amazing.

Nicely said. Have some green!


Rush should have known that the shield was on well before they approached the star, because they didn't all immediately die
of gamma poisoning. (which would have made them violently ill for the first few minutes following exposure)

Yes and Rush knew the shield was on. The power was out, and the controls were death but the shield was still on. They actually said that. No
one ever said the shield was down. They just they were out of power, which they probably were, and the rest of the power that remained, the
tiny bit that was left, was needed to power the shield, and life support. That's what Brody said I think, in "Darkness". Also about the
gamma poisoning. I imagine that the hull of the ship would be shielding them from the radiation in space. That applies to the Goa'uld and
Tau'ri spaceships, so it probably applies here too.


I thought, when he told them to turn around and go back to the planet, that he was going to have them land on the planet and use the
Stargate that the seeder ship would have left there to gate back to Destiny. Since the ship obviously knew that the system had habitable
planets (because the seeder ship had scouted it) and the seeder would have deposited a gate on a world capable of supporting life.

Supporting life, yes. Supporting human life, no. The ships just drop gates on planets, but it is the Destiny who interprets the information.
Also even if there was a stargate, they would have lost the shuttle and supplies. Even more, there was probably not enough time left to
locate the stargate, land there, have someone on the Destiny dial the gate, go through with a remote, then dial back to the Destiny and
evacuate back to the planet. Anyway, it would maybe have been a solution, but then they would have lost the shuttle and probably also the
supplies.

Also, I'm wondering if the Destiny wasn't too close to the planet. I thought it was impossible to dial a stargate that is too close nearby
you as they would have the same address. Maybe it would be possible, IDK, but probably not if the conventional laws of stargate apply here.
However, they haven't explained enough about the new prototype gates that the seeder ships make to know for sure.


I was so frustrated, as I felt the rest of the episode was pretty spectacular. I like both characters and I even
support a relationship between the two. Just not yet....it was handled all wrong, imho

I feel the same way. I agree.


The scene was meh. I actually liked Eli's reaction more.

Yeah, Eli is the one who most/best represent the (reactions of) audience/viewers IMHO.

As you said in this part of one of your posts here:

I think Eli's reaction was how a lot of viewers felt. Like so sudden? Where did this come from? It was just
innappropriate I guess to some folks. I thought it was a little too soon for them to hook up.

I completely agree with that.


Rush is just filled with emotions and you don't know what to expect from the man, I love it.

Yeah, I agree. That's one of the great elements of the show. Rush is unpredictable.

Nice car, btw.


I agree. It's not the sex that bothered me at all at this point. It was the way they acted afterwards that was hard for me
to take. I mean, they've only known eachother a few days (if that?). I would have loved it if TPTB would have written it for the characters
to feel and act awkward afterwards.

I dunno, I have really mixed feelings. Furthermore, it's hard for me to completely condemn TPTB, as maybe they totally throw us a curveball
somewhere down the line.

[EDIT] However, I like that TPTB appeared to try to address the fact that they barely know eachother. It would have been completely over the
top had one of them used the L word.

Again, I agree. I really hope TPTB will still do something about it, even though I think it's a little bit late for that now. Same goes for
the Ancient LRC stones.


I did think the whole shuttle gravity slingshot was a little contrived. You're telling me the computer could have come up with
that solution?

What are you talking about? The computer did not come up with this. Rush did and Eli did the calculations. Also the computer couldn't have
come up with this. The shuttle board computer is just a computer not an A.I. it only does what you ask it to do. It doesn't think on its
own, or thinks creatively. The Destiny's board computer that's another story.

On that note, I found the use of real science on the shuttle pretty good. For example the relative speed when they need to dock. That's
often conveniently left out in other SF shows.

Jper
October 25th, 2009, 09:45 AM
I think Rush was just being real at the end. He couldn't have known for sure what was going to happen if he was truly
locked out of all the main systems, and if he wasn't locked out, he would have known where the power was going and wouldn't have been so
frustrated in Darkness.

I like the way it was handled. Instead of everyone being a happy, trustworthy family with Rush, he remains a mystery in a lot of ways and I
like that.

I liked this episode a lot because I like how it is making everyone think. While we could have predicted the ship recharging in the star,
the characters couldn't have and that was portrayed very successfully. Despite the fact that I knew what was going to happen, it still did
have somewhat of an emotional impact. Will be watching next week.

Nicely said. Wish I could green you, but I'm going to have to use my mind-powers to transfer the "Nicely said. Good post." to you. :)




Does anyone else think that for a religious man Scott jumps into bed with women way too quickly. I guess he doesn't believe in no sex before
marriage (not that i have a problem with sex before marriage but then i'm a athiest).


This is ridiculous. Christians have sex before marriage all the time. This is nothing new or offensive.

Its a bit hypercritical though. How can you been religious but completely ignore a vitial component of Christianity on a regular basis.


Well, I would consider myself a "Christian" or at least I probably am considered a "Christian", baptized and all, like most of the other
people in Belgium. However, I don't exactly follow that "vitial component" as you call it. I don't think that is really a problem, nor do I
think it (him being a christian and having sex before marriage) is really unrealistic, not in these modern times anyway. He's still only
human, not a saint.


But not all believers in God believe that sex is a sin, and certainly a great many Christians don't believe (or at least don't
follow) that.

I agree.



Jelgate's Two Cents
<snip>

Nice post, as usual! :) Won't go through all of it like last time, as I think I addressed most of the same things, important things, and my
opinions on what you mention in my own long opinion (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=10744125&postcount=369).
Starting here (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=10744125&postcount=369), but I know you saw that. Still wanted to thank
you for writing this every week. It's well written and the praise and criticism is well founded.


and yet they probably still believe that homosexuals are going to hell.
:eek: :eek:
You're kidding right? I certainly don't believe that. This is ridiculous. I would think it would be more likely that they (Christians)
thought that people that thought "that homosexuals are going to hell." would be the ones with "problems". Isn't Christianity not all about
love, forgiveness and respect for each other. Nuh. This is ridiculous.


Now that primary survival issues are out of the way, I think Robert Cooper's comments about SGU's fast-paced first
half will hold true.

I disagree, I don't think "survival issues are out of the way. Just look at next week's episode description. "Water". Water is
something you need for primary survival on board of a space ship. And they are running out of it. This will certainly be an issue.



I doubt it. I bet her [Vanessa James] and Scott will have some ramification for the Chloe/Scott ship.

I really hope they will, that you will be right. I had my hopes, but lost some of it while watching this episode.


Oh, yeah, and it confirms that there was bad blood between Young and Telford prior to the evacuation to the Destiny.


Between a whole number/lot of people and Telford it seems. Not only Young and Telford. It's interesting as it indeed explains/confirms a
lot. Also, for example, why Telford in Young's body called for TJ and Scott in the shuttle and ignored Greer, who, at the time, was also
there.


but there is no real reason for him [Rush] to continue the charade when there's nobody around to notice.

Sorry I snipped this out of your post, but I really really like this line. Finally someone who noticed that as well. After seven pages
finally someone mentioned that.


I think he was completely surprised by Destiny's maneuver. He was friendly, even cordial and somewhat penitent, when
it seemed like the end was nigh. As though he longed for the sort of human contact that he normally disdains. Once Destiny had renewed his
faith - his faith in Destiny herself - he quickly reverted to his arrogant, insulated self.

One must wonder what will happen to him personally when he puts too much faith in Destiny and it leads to disaster...which seems
inevitable.

Well said. Nicely worded. Good on noticing it. I really wish I could green you, but I cannot. I'll have to use my mind powers again to
transfer the positive energy to you. :)


<snip> exploring the wonderous aspect of science-fiction. (And yes, there's more to science-fiction entertainment
than just spaceships and lasers, despite what some would have us believe).

:indeed:


I love that there are so many elements to this episode that were almost a direct answer to fan criticisms of last
week. Such as the "randomness" of all the recordings with the Kinos. Interesting that they chose to show the explanation for the recordings
in a non-linear fashion, only telling us what they're really for after we've seen most of them. Also very clever to use the Kino to show off
the ship from the outside.

Again :indeed:


After seeing it a second time, I am certain that Rush genuinely thought they were going to die. When he realized
that too much time had passed without any ill effects, and he saw that a control console was powered up, then finally that the ship was
above the sun, he felt euphoric at the prospect that they would live, and that his opportunity to gain control of Destiny would continue.

However, later, once his excitement subsided, he felt foolish for being wrong. Humiliation is a powerful motivator for most people. Rush is
one of those people who loves being in control. He thrives on being the smartest guy in the room and detests being wrong. His over-inflated
ego scolded him for not realizing earlier that the ship was designed to feed off the resources of the universe, just as the stargate seeder
ships do. At the end of the show, he still felt embarrassed and upset at himself, as demonstrated by his irritable demeanor. He didn't want
to join the group and get teased about his mistake just like they were teasing Scott, so during the conversation with Young, he jumped at an
opportunity to cover for his mistake by creating some ambiguity in everyone's minds, even at the risk of making himself appear calculating
and crazy for putting them through this ordeal that could have potentially stranded 17 people, lost the shuttle, and all the supplies.


I agree. Nicely said.


Not only was the Chloe/Scott hookup out of left field, it was also counter to the relationships they already had been
establishing, namely Scott/James and Eli/Chloe.

All this did was make Chloe look like a tramp.


If you really see real romantic development between Chloe and Eli? I saw none. We only saw Chloe having sex with one man, Scott.
Seems that does not make her a tramp or a slut, which would incline she had sex with other people as well, on board of the Destiny. I did
not see that. I admit, acknowledge, the poor build-up and transition towards Chloe/Scott, but that does not make Chloe a tramp.


Chloe just hooking up with Scott like that made her seem like a slut.


Note to Eli: Dude, that girl is a sl*t. Forget her.

See ^ What is this with the s-word. Do people even know what a s*** is?


Here's how I see it. As some have already pointed out, this isn't love; this is about being close. Chloe seems like your typical
socialite; from my POV, she's the kind of person who usually hangs out with lots of people. Suddenly, she's all alone on the other side of
the Universe and at once faces a terrible personal tragedy. Who offers to be there for her? Well, Scott for one. He was there to comfort
her, and in turn she was there to comfort him after the Air III mission. I think there's a good reason why, when we ended that episode, they
were still in the same room together. In each other they seemed to have found a kindred spirit.

What Chloe said in this episode was very important. Ok, so at the beginning I thought the "I feel like I'm closer to you than I've been with
anyone else" line was a tad cheesy, and it still might be, but it's the truth. Chloe is looking for comfort and someone to cling onto. This
isn't a sign of weakness; this is just what being human is about. I know plenty of people who are like this (including girls), and at times
I'm one of them. Wanting to be close, physically and emotionally, to someone else is natural at a time like this. Sometimes you just want to
be hugged.

Of course, they did more than that, but I thought Brian J. Smith said it pretty well on his twitter. This isn't sex; it's making love. What
Scott did with Lt. James is sex; this is more about being close to each other, about having that emotional anchor.

Now, there is also Eli. Considering that he reminds me of me in almost every situation, I completely understand what is happening with him.
He is attracted to Chloe, obviously. However, a funny thing with males is, we are attracted to A LOT of women. All at once. I personally
have at least 4 girls that I am attracted to right now and many more whom I think are pretty hot. Is that "their fault?" Are they "playing
me"? Hell no! I'm just being a guy. This is what we do. And you know what? I get pretty jealous at times when I see these girls talk to
other guys and having a good time. It's completely irrational, but hey, it's what I do.

I'm still considering this. I find it to be true. It's realistic and believable. You said it well. However, I still stand my ground on the
fact that we needed more transition and still need a bit more explanation. Where was the sound? We never heard them talking until
afterwards. I just wished we had gotten like four or five lines of explanation.

I like your interpretation. It's a good, logic, well-thought out explanation, but do you really feel this was clear on the screen. I don't
think so. I still think Chloe's line needs more than just a line. If it was that direction they wanted to take it, no problem at all, but
I'm not convinced, and so are a lot of others it seemed. Good explaining on the being "a guy" though. :)


So yeah, girls are WEIRD. But hey, us guys are lucky to exist among them.

Right on! Have a container-full of green!


Joel Goldsmith is a ****ing genius. ****ING GENIUS.

This post is just getting better and better. SGU probably has the best music of all syfy shows I've watched recently.

Jper
October 25th, 2009, 09:46 AM
Ugh, so many things left unsaid. I can probably go on for 10 pages just about all the subtle moments between characters alone,


I did. It was twelve pages in Word, and then I brought it back to seven pages, or 7,500 words. Little over 21,000 characters and posted it
here on GW and on my blog. :D

I loved reading your post. Thanks!


Thinking more about Destiny being able to fix all of their problems...I think that we saw a perfect example in this episode of
how that isn't the case, following directly on from what many may see as proof that it is.

Once Destiny had refueled inside the star, it seemed to have little concern for the errant shuttle. Even if we concede that the activation
of the countdown timer was meant to imply that the ship was waiting for the shuttle rather than immediately returning to FTL flight, Destiny
continued to accelerate. If Destiny had decelerated instead to facilitate the shuttle's return, that would have been a far more telling
indicator that the ship has some sort of awareness of its current passengers. Instead, it was making ready to leave a number of them behind,
in a system that its own sensors must have indicated was less than friendly to human life.

I believe that Destiny stopped in Air not because Rush made numerous queries into the database, but because it had a malfunctioning system
that needed to be repaired. It stopped and picked a source for the required element, and expected that the "crew" would do their part and
get back in time. In this episode, the ship did not even attempt to inform the crew that it was about to perform a refueling...at least not
in any way that the crew could understand. Once the refueling was complete, Destiny did inform the crew that they would be moving on via the
countdown, but made no other move to facilitate their return. (There seems to be no real reason for this scheduled return to FTL, at least
none that we are privy to as yet.)

I think that we will eventually discover that Destiny is currently operating in a very selective self-preservation mode, and perhaps that
mode can be "switched off," once our intrepid band learns how. Maybe by finding the "bridge," rather than trying to run things from what
seems like an auxiliary control station. In other words, for the forseeable future, the only thing that the crew can rely on Destiny to do
is maintain itself, perhaps at the expense of those aboard.

I think you need to make a difference between the people in the shuttle and people in the Destiny. I think that the ship considers people
leaving on the shuttle, just like it sounds, people leaving. From then on, the shuttle is on its onw, as they choose to leave. I think
that's what the shuttle is for. It seems strange, maybe, but I think that is the logic the Destiny uses. It did put up forcefields to
prevent the leaking of O2 in the ship and it did turn up the O2 production. So it did care for those people. That did not have any
advantage, on the contrary, for the Destiny.

While I agree with you that the Destiny won't be able to fix all problems, I do think that the Destiny together with human ingenuity will
allow them both to survive.

Also about the acceleration. The Destiny needed to accelerate to get away from the sun again. And then it had a certain speed. I think if
you take into consideration that the Destiny doesn't consider the shuttle to be part of the ship once it has left and the fact that it only
accelerated to get away from the sun, your argument is still an interesting one and has some good points, but also a big flaw IMHO.

As to the ship informing the crew. The ship maybe is communicating with them, but they don't understand or it thinks that as the descendants
on the Ancients these humans know how a spaceship like the Destiny gets its power. I agree however that the Destiny will choose its own
survival above that from the humans it got now aboard, but only if it thinks there's no other way. Thus far this has not happened yet.

The ship is aware of the passengers, its passengers who are actually on the ship. And it cares for those. However, it does not care for the
passengers that leave the ship. There you are correct, however I think you should make the same conclusions for the actual passengers on the
actual ship.

Also consider that if the Destiny would always be able to fix everything and everything would be clear from the start and if there were
never any real mysteries or suspense moments, then this show would be pretty dull. :)

Also, read what Cory Holmes said:

I think that ending sequence proves that the Destiny doesn't have any sort of AI that's capable of independant decision. It's running
through a (large and complex) program that contains little more than a list of commands. "Running low on X? Go to System Y and get some.
Running low on Zed? StarSurf for more power."

The fact that it was blithly unconcered for the shuttle and its passengers prove that while it's capable of preserving life support and
arrainging for repairs, it's NOT capable of doing anything outside of that programming or spontaniously.

That makes it a much more interesting character and plot device. What'll happen when the crew wants to do something that isn't part of its
programming?

Good points. Well reasoned.

Jper
October 25th, 2009, 09:46 AM
People are just upset that she is using Eli.

*Slams head and points up towards PG-15's post.*

Oh please, people use other people every day. It's just who we are. There's a difference between that and doing something that would imply
she's romantically interested in him. On the contrary, she did nothing to point out to that, not with Eli. (As towards Scott there was at
least a very little bit of romantic development, maybe.)

Then I would actually also say that Eli is using Chloe. Certainly not an one way direction.


Just because she isn't aware of it doesn't mean she isn't using Eli. She is using him to provide comfort (when she was scared in the
dark) and support (when they were waiting for death) without even once thinking about his feelings. Has she ever be the least bit
introspective and thought about him, it should be obvious to her that he is smitten with her. She takes from him without thinking of giving
back... and I am not just talking about sex. It reveals that she is rather shallow and self-centered.

*shakes head, considers replying, remembers the Borg sentence: "Resistance is futile," and moves on with more head shaking, comes back in.*

Well I see you gave examples of how she is using him. Seems nothing romantically, I would even say, it would have been immensely different
if it had been. They are good examples of friendship.

I think you are just interpreting Eli's feelings wrong. Because if you considered it was much more platonic, and he was just attracted to
her, like guys can be attracted to a nice-looking woman, than you would shed yourself of the problem you are creating in the first place.
Seems to me like that instead of considering that maybe the impressions on which you've based your theory are wrong, you are working out how
the rest around it, that actually played on the screen, was wrong. Doesn't seem the right logic to me.

She certainly gives back I think. She is his friend, and she gave back friendship.

Maybe she has the flaw of being self-centered, but a lot of other characters on this show (and real-blood people) have the same flaw, but
you're focusing this on Chloe? Also of her being shallow. Well that would mean that there was no meaning to her actions, or only superficial
reasoning behind her actions. I think the pages-long discussion about the who the characters really are, and what their real motives really
are, and how they are more than 1D stereotypes of characters, but more like real complex people, would have proven by now, that there aren't
much shallow characters around in SGU.

Anyway, again see PG-15's post. ^

About Greer and his clothes at the end:

I just prefer the idea that he is a bit bonkers!
:) Me too. I like that about him. They don't all have to be sane. :)


The problem with it, which was pointed out earlier in this thread is that of course the shuttle would have been able to
calculate that course.


The computer couldn't have come up with this. The shuttle board computer is just a computer not an A.I. it only does what you ask it to do.
It doesn't think on its own, or thinks creatively. The Destiny's board computer that's another story.


I would have preferred if the shuttle either wasn't 100 percent functional or they just didn't know how to use it completely yet and
it took some quick work by "math boy" to make things happen.

Both were true. The shuttle looked very old and worn out, and they didn't completely know how to use it yet. However they did not need to do
complex things, just flying and using the subspace communicator, which Scott didn't even know where to locate.

As about your complaint about the shuttle, that part of your post I don't quote, but I just point you ^ where I tried to give an explanation
for that.




I personally hope to see Scott airlockedHa! Me too! Im sure someone else can learn to fly the shuttle.

Well Young can fly the shuttle. Scott told Chloe he and Young are the only pilots onboard. Young could teach someone too. :D :D


No. I think if you had compressed it. We would have had a EATG type episode and IMO the character moments are just as
important as the plot

I agree. I like how it panned out with the two-parter. Good example, jelgate.


PG15 and Jper, both of you posted amazing reviews. Everyone else, I've thoroughly enjoyed reading your thoughts as
well. But seriously, you two, wow.

Thanks. :o


Mixed in the beginning, and then just up, up and away from there. I can't wait to see where things go next week.

Yeah, that's the short version. I needed seven pages and 7,500-ish words for that. :o


And the Destiny. The ship was built at the height of Ancient civilization and it shows.

Actually no. That is Atlantis. Destiny was build before that. Not to say that it isn't an amazing piece of Ancient technology, but according
to Ancient history not their "height".


the entire logic of a "shield" surving that seems to be at odds with shield technology from atlantis which one would
assume would be significantly more advanced.

You're assuming that advances means better, while the shield of the Destiny may not be better, but just different. It may operate
differently, which I think is likely as it had to have been created with the possibility to fly through a star. Furthermore, one thing that
has been establishes, also in Atlantis is that the much more energy you pump into the shield, the much better it is, but less time you can
sustain it. Also, read my (try at an) explanation ^.


Good question. It make more sense for people on the Destiny to make one last phone call using the stone than wasting
time with the Kino messages. Oh well...
Reply With Quote

I said it from the first moment I saw those stones, those stones will be problematic. Well...


I would have thought though that as advanced as this ship is that it would have automatic docking. I'd think the ship
would be smart enough to detect that a shuttle was in very close proximity and that the Destiny would adjust its speed as well as take over
the maneuvering of the shuttle, but whatever. Maybe that system is broken.


Good point. Didn't think of it before, but now you mention it, the docking should have been automated. However, like you said, maybe the
systems broken. Or maybe it is turned off. Maybe the problem of full access also prevents them from automating the docking, and maybe that's
also why the Destiny didn't slow down.


I didn't notice Young digging to the bottom of the box for a name.

I think he did. At one time he did pick one of the files on the bottom I think.


Oh and what was the point of showing Spencer take those pills. Is that for future reference? I thought he was possible committing
suicide, but apparently not.

Wondering about that myself too.

danny.d
October 25th, 2009, 09:56 AM
wow, thank you for the summary, Jper

ttsec
October 25th, 2009, 10:16 AM
Scott needs to wear a chastity belt and have the key thrown into a black hole.

Or

Throw both Scott and Cloe into a black hole. If they wanna be close, they'll be real close in that black hole with their atoms smashed into each other's.

Next EP: "AIDS"
Destiny lands in system with planet for AIDS cure for Scott, Cloe, and V. James.

Saquist
October 25th, 2009, 10:19 AM
I thought it was a solid episode. Not everything went smoothly in the plot. Yet it shows how good the show could be every episode if they'd used a complete Plot Theory and less stall tactics &.

Look at this episode compared with all the others.
The Kino Interviews are here to to stay unfortunately. So if we're going to see them. Keep it on point at least 75 percent of the time. JUST as this episode did.

The character dissertations were GREAT once they the had the backdrop a real DRAMATIC situation. Suddenly those dissertations gave weight perhaps even a bit of suspense adding to the power of story which we all have to admit was highly predictable.

What this story did. was show, when all elements of a plot are present there is potential for a really high drama, high suspense story which could result in an incredible series of episodes and high rating.

khosstamojin
October 25th, 2009, 10:21 AM
Not sure this is the place for this but :

Did anyone notice that 'Jammer' from BSG was on the shuttle. He was the guy who warned Scott that the ship was coming up fast ? Also in Air pt.3 Catherine Taite (Donna Noble from Dr. Who) did a little cameo walkby in a scene towards the end where the scientists onboard Destiny were trying to figure out the Co2 scrubbers.

Easter eggs ?

Night Marshal
October 25th, 2009, 10:30 AM
not every episode is going to be a boomer but as far as learning about the ship, and the people I greatly enjoyed this episode more so than Darkness. Seeing the best and worst of people. Granted the ship being power by "solar power" is a bit lacking details, however that is not what the shows about right now its about surviving for another day and the way you do that. And in that aspect this was a great episode. solid 4 out 5. My hope is that now that things are running again at what we must assume is full power that a little bit of time can pass before the next crisis arises.

garhkal
October 25th, 2009, 12:01 PM
One thing I've just thought of. In Darkness James drags Eli into the mob meeting and want him to level with them about what is going on. They all think that he is up there with Rush and Young about whats going on and about policy.

Then in Light as soon as Young announces the lottery James gives Eli a staredown as if to say 'remember our deal.' But when the lottery is over Eli doesn't get on the shuttle while most of the people on the shuttle were at the mob meeting.

I wonder if this is going to change how they all see Eli now, knowing that he may in fact be as much in the dark as they are.

I do hope this changes those others view of Eli.. Especially for james, since it was HIS numbers which allowed them to get back safely.


The reaction we get to see of Rush, when he realizes it, still makes me believe he did not know what was going to happen. Why would he have had to pretend when he was alone? No he smiled and laughed when he saw the mist in the control room and he looked genuinely pleased and surprised when he got to the observation deck.

Plus his eyes were agape with surprise when he saw all the control panels back up and working.


Again there was new character development as we had Rush and Eli finally working together now, together, with Young backing them, and not trying to watch Rush or getting in a fight with him.

And i like how calmly Rush told Young "now would be a good time for you to trust me to fix this problem"..


Thank you very much. It is seven pages in word. Took me two hours and a half to write. I had to write it out of me it seems, as I am feeling much better now. Really tired though. It's 2AM here too.

Well done. Some of the peoples postings around here, it seems they dont put any thought into it. Yours showed you actually cared enough to make it worth the length.


Did anyone else think that after the shuttle took off and Chloe put her head on Eli's shoulder he was thinking what to say to get some "going into a gas giant we're gonna die" sex?

If anything i was thinking SHE might have said tha to eli.


The one background player I care about got lucky (or unlucky considering that planet was barely habitable) and got his name drawn. Plus I finally learned his name...Darren Becker, the mess hall cook.

IIRC we heard his last name in Air pt 1.. but not his first.


Oh and what was the point of showing Spencer take those pills. Is that for future reference? I thought he was possible committing suicide, but apparently not.

I am wondering if that was to showcase why he seems so unhindged.


So it's entirely possible to believe they'd figured out a way to dip into the surface of a star to replenish energy.

If a ZPM could power the Daedalus' shields long enough to block a solar flare, there's no reason to believe the Destiny's shields couldn't do the same.

Maybe it is a combination of the 2. They figured out how to power the ship via its being bombarded by the solar energy from the sun. BUT realised for an inhabited city like atlantis, if something failed with doing so, it would make everyone dead quickly. SO went with ZPMs powering it

JadedWraith
October 25th, 2009, 12:15 PM
Sorry, if this was already discussed (I am too lazy to back read;))

but first Eli had no clue when they were going to crash into the Sun, but when it's necessary to calculate the shuttle's trajectory with the slingshot manoeuvre he becomes Math Boy once again. I understand he might need some pointers from Rush since he is no expert in Physics, but still, isn't that slightly incoherent?

Yeah, whine and nitpick, that's my function here.

Coronach
October 25th, 2009, 12:22 PM
Sorry, if this was already discussed (I am too lazy to back read;))

but first Eli had no clue when they were going to crash into the Sun, but when it's necessary to calculate the shuttle's trajectory with the slingshot manoeuvre he becomes Math Boy once again. I understand he might need some pointers from Rush since he is no expert in Physics, but still, isn't that slightly incoherent?

Yeah, whine and nitpick, that's my function here.

I guess I need you to elaborate on what you mean. As in, what do you mean by "Eli had no clue they were going to crash into the Sun"?

I think the only people that knew right away were the people in the shuttle, and the rest were told in that scene in the gate room?

Bah, I'll just wait for you to clarify as I'm probably not remembering something.

Abiron
October 25th, 2009, 12:31 PM
I think you need to make a difference between the people in the shuttle and people in the Destiny. I think that the ship considers people leaving on the shuttle, just like it sounds, people leaving. From then on, the shuttle is on its own, as they chose to leave. I think that's what the shuttle is for. It seems strange, maybe, but I think that is the logic the Destiny uses. It did put up forcefields to prevent the leaking of O2 in the ship and it did turn up the O2 production. So it did care for those people. That did not have any advantage, on the contrary, for the Destiny.

I would have to disagree a bit there; even granting some semblance of AI within the system, Destiny would have had no idea why the shuttle departed. I can't see the ship simply assuming that anyone leaving would not wish to return. Perhaps it's a bit of both: Destiny assumes that the shuttle will not return unless it is informed otherwise, perhaps in the form of a flight plan entered into the database. In that case, your argument makes perfect sense.

As for Destiny providing environmental shields and a breathable atmosphere, I think we're assuming a couple of things here that we don't have confirmation for yet. First, with so little of the ship's internal volume explored, we have no idea whether or not there is anything else that would require an atmosphere. Perhaps an arboretum, perhaps some other...passengers...who have a bit more control of the life support systems. Second, were Destiny to allow the hull breaches to remain unshielded, there would likely be widespread vaccum cementing occuring. We have no idea whether or not the ship's programming would maintain the internal environment simply to prevent such damage.


While I agree with you that the Destiny won't be able to fix all problems, I do think that the Destiny together with human ingenuity will allow them both to survive.

Indeed.


Also about the acceleration. The Destiny needed to accelerate to get away from the sun again. And then it had a certain speed. I think if you take into consideration that the Destiny doesn't consider the shuttle to be part of the ship once it has left and the fact that it only accelerated to get away from the sun, your argument is still an interesting one and has some good points, but also a big flaw IMHO.

Granted, certainly, if the assumption is valid. But...once the ship's sensors detected that the shuttle was on a return vector, it might have had some idea that the passengers wanted to get back aboard. Perhaps initiating some kind of auto-docking system, as others have mentioned. Of course, it might be malfunctioning...or perhaps in all the excitement in the shuttle, a small tell-tale blinking near an unlabeled switch went unnoticed.


As to the ship informing the crew. The ship maybe is communicating with them, but they don't understand or it thinks that as the descendants of the Ancients these humans know how a spaceship like the Destiny gets its power. I agree however that the Destiny will choose its own survival above that from the humans it got now aboard, but only if it thinks there's no other way. Thus far this has not happened yet.

The ship is aware of the passengers, its passengers who are actually on the ship. And it cares for those. However, it does not care for the passengers that leave the ship. There you are correct, however I think you should make the same conclusions for the actual passengers on the actual ship.

I would certainly like to think that Destiny considers the survival of its passengers in its programming, but I fear that we just don't have enough evidence yet to be sure.


Also consider that if the Destiny would always be able to fix everything and everything would be clear from the start and if there were never any real mysteries or suspense moments, then this show would be pretty dull. :)

Quite so.