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Madwelshboy
September 17th, 2009, 08:45 AM
IS THIS THE END? — Castiel (Misha Collins) tells Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) that he is going to search for God, who will be able to defeat Lucifer. Bobby’s (Jim Beaver) old hunter friend, Rufus (guest star Steven Williams), is panicked about demons attacking his town, and begs Bobby for help. Sam and Dean arrive at the town and realize there is a spell over the townspeople, making them hallucinate that they are demons and causing them to kill one another.

Phil Sgriccia directed the episode written by Sera Gamble

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Crichiel
September 17th, 2009, 11:55 AM
Can't wait can't wait can't wait....5 hours 5 minutes to go....:)

Switch42
September 17th, 2009, 06:07 PM
Wow. That was AWESOME. Really did not see the twist coming with it being War and all being a hallucination. I thought they'd be saving the Four Horsemen for later this season. Guess not... LOL Which is really great! I mean, it shows that they're not holding anything back. The apocalypse is here and it is ON.

the fifth man
September 17th, 2009, 06:13 PM
Wow. That was AWESOME. Really did not see the twist coming with it being War and all being a hallucination. I thought they'd be saving the Four Horsemen for later this season. Guess not... LOL Which is really great! I mean, it shows that they're not holding anything back. The apocalypse is here and it is ON.

Definitely an amazing episode. One among many with this show.:) Having it be War behind the situation in the town was really a great twist, and I didn't see it coming either. I think they will probably have the other 3 Horsemen pop up here and there throughout the season, leading up to the finale or something like that.

The end was kind of sad, but at least that explains Castiel having a bigger role to play with Dean in the future.

Arative
September 17th, 2009, 07:07 PM
The ending had my jaw dropping. Didn't expect that. In Kripke I trust though.

the fifth man
September 17th, 2009, 07:42 PM
The ending had my jaw dropping. Didn't expect that. In Kripke I trust though.

As do I. Completely! This is all part of his master plan.

LoneStar1836
September 17th, 2009, 08:39 PM
That was a great episode! :)

I wondered what the deal was when Sam killed those two dudes in the grocery store and they didn't use any sound/visual effects for the demon knife. lol. I thought maybe they were trying to save money since they had songs **Yay!!** for the recap (Foreigner's Long, Long Way From Home) and then when they were walking into town (Spirit in the Sky). Nice twist to the episode. Didn't see that coming. Course the hint was in the episode title....lyrics from the Edwin Starr song "War". The guy playing War was a good casting choice as he played the part well.

And yes I probably jumped the gun last week when some doubt crept in and I questioned the writers about drying out Sam last week as an easy way to move on...because I mean it was the all powerful God doing the deed, but this is the first time I'm watching the show live (so I have no idea what's going to happen next :eek: which I love and hate at the same time :D) and well I've been burned by other shows brushing things aside so I have a hard time trusting a show 100%. So this episode was awesome in showing how Sam is going to struggle with that temptation.

Oh man the ending. :( But I figured they would go there and split them up, and I think that is only natural that this would happen after what went down last season.

My only quibble with it was Cas needing Dean's necklace because it's a "God detector". I'll go with the flow, but I'm still kinda iffy on the use of God in the show as a means to an ends and just how far will they go in using Him. Liked how Dean was reluctant to give it up though.

Dean having himself x-rayed. :D

kennythewraith
September 17th, 2009, 11:31 PM
while this was an absoltuley awesome epsiode for sure....i had one probelm......joe and even ellen to extent were underused imo.i feel so bad for bobby though...kudos for jim beaver being awesome.and cant wait to see where they go with the brothers splitting up.

iolanda
September 18th, 2009, 06:23 AM
Another awesome episode! Great! Despite the obvious, here some comments from my side:

- I'd loved to see the face of the dictor after he saw the Deans X-Ray
- Didn't Bobby gibe the amulet to Sammy in the first place? So where did Bobby get this one from?
- Castiel!
- Walking through the city to "Spirit in the Sky". Awesome
- "War" knew how to get people fighting. I didn't get how the people knew about Demons at all and how you could recognize them. Did War tell them?
- Nice car!
- Nice to see Ellen, Joe and Rufus agin. I hope this wasn't the last time for the season.
- Mount Doom! :D
- The last scene left me with no words. Is it already next week?
- I am pretty sure that I know where that last scene was filmed :D

Betelgeuze
September 18th, 2009, 08:01 AM
Great episode, not as intense as the previous but still great. War turning the humans against each other was a nice twist. I'm curious if the other horsemen will be making an appearance, Death was referred to in the previous season. I agree that the ending was sad, poor Sam is still not cured if his addiction. I liked that Sam and Dean weren't working well together, it would be very unrealistic if they did. I'm hoping Dean wil team up with Castiel, i always like how they interact.

P-90_177
September 18th, 2009, 08:02 AM
Definately a good episode. There seemed to be alot of stuff crammed into such a short segment though. Still seeing Ellen and Jo again was awesome if only for a short time. I'm sure they'll come back into it later along with Rufus. War was cool as well. Can't wait to see his return. Chances are we'll see each horseman individually right up until they all meet up at the end. Course they still seem to be leading Sam towards being a leader for Hells side which will be very cool. Just need to have him meeting up with Lucifer.

Crichiel
September 18th, 2009, 08:50 AM
Wow! I tell ya what...Wow! That was....wow! Ok, I was excited for last night because it was Supernatural, so of course I'm excited, but from the spoilers I had read (from before I decided to STOP looking at spoilers this year! :o), I wasn't expecting this episode to be as awesome as it was. I believe I like this even more than last week's ep! Not to take anything away from Sympathy for the Devil, but because it was a season premiere, it did have certain premiere issues that it had to deal with. Namely, premiere episodes often feel rushed because they have to wrap up a summer's worth of expectation AND jumpstart a new season.

Good God, Y'All, however was (for me) just a spectacular Supernatural episode. It was well-paced, looked like it still was given a decent budget (many times, not the case with the eps that directly follow budget-busting premieres), great guests, and wonderful family drama for Sam and Dean. In fact, the only thing it was missing a bit, was some more humour.

Ok, what I loved:
-I liked that Cas had to use the cell phone to find them. I didn't think of it at the time, but yeah, if the sigil hides them from all angels, Castiel shouldn't be an exception. Way to follow through with the details! And btw, YIKES! to that sigil on the x-ray. That probably hurt a little more than the boys were letting on last week! :(

-I almost fell off the treadmill when Castiel looked at Dean for the amulet! One of my fan dreams came true! They explained the meaning of the amulet!! I would have been fine had they not, but still always hoped it had some really cool meaning. And I love how attached Dean is to it, how quickly and loudly he said "No!" Word of warning on the "God storyline", though Eric, Sera, Ben, Jeremy, et al: step carefully. That's all I'm saying for now. ;)

-Hmmm, not a favourite: Bitter Bobby. It wasn't TOO bad this time, but I still don't want us dwelling too long on it. I know it is a perfectly normal human reaction, but I don't like to see Bobby like that. At least he snapped out of it quickly when Rufus called.

-Coming into town. This is where I was impressed with the money spent. The effect of the bridge was cool. I am assuming they didn't really destroy a bridge, but it sure looked real. Although, being from Minneapolis, seeing Dean driving on the bridge really freaked me out for a minute (Google '35W Bridge Collapse'). But also, all the cars and debris in town when they walked through was great. Bonus for the cleverness of using Spirit in the Sky.

-ELLEN!!!!!!! :):):) I was never on the "Kill Jo" train, but I am kind of indifferent to her, but ELLEN?!!! I LOVE ELLEN!!!! And I loved her scenes here. I liked her throwing water on Dean, I liked her hug, but mostly, I loved her slapping Dean and telling him off for not phoning him to say he was alive (with an added glare at Sam for not doing so either). "You better put me on speed dial, kid." :) And Dean's reaction is even better, a very sincere and humble "Yes, M'am". Ellen is a wonderful mother-figure for the boys. Like a female version of Bobby, and the boys really need these authority figures in their lives.

-I didn't think they would TOTALLY drop the Sam on demon blood storyline, but I was pleased with how well this episode handled it. I didn't want another de-tox ep, but I did want it addressed. I didn't think they would give it the HUGE ramifications they did, however! (more on this later). So I was very happy.

-The exchange betwen Dean and the ex-military guy was good. ;)
"Takes one to know one. Where'd you serve?"
"Hell."
"No, seriously."
"Seriously. Hell."

-Sam and Dean's quick talk about how Sam wished he could have gotten rid of the demons without killing them. This is a short scene, but like one of you brought up in the last ep, it illustrates how good the writers are about not making it easy to choose one brother over the other. Sam DID have the best of intentions when starting out with the demon blood. His reasons were sound, but the method wasn't and that's what trapped him. Because as War points out later, it may have started like that, but now it is an excuse Sam uses because he eventually just fell in love with the powerful feeling it gave him.

-Another great Ellen moment is when she asks Dean what to do. Dean's answer is typical and very true: he usually asks Bobby or Sam. Dean has very low self-esteem in many areas, and one of them is his book knowledge. We know as viewers he can't be as incompetant as he comes off at times, because he was hunting by himself before he got Sam at Stanford. But most of the time when Dean DOES come up with some academic knowledge, Sam gives him a look like "You read?" So here, Ellen again steps in as a strict but supportive mother figure to tell him he is smart, too, and can figure this out.

-Oh, and WHOA! Talk about some personal growth, though: Dean NOT tearing off to go after Sam! You can see he wants to very badly, so it's not that he doesn't care about Sam. But DEAN actually realises that he needs to slow down and think this through first. Good on him for learning that lesson, it's a hard one!

-Ellen's line "My daughter may be an idiot, but she's not stupid. She wears an anti-possession charm" was good. Coming on the heels of Bobby being possessed, I was wondering what had made all the hunters suddenly forget basic precautions (my first thought when I saw someone as paranoid as Rufus 'possessed').

-Like the bad guy explanation of the 4 horsemen. And I enjoyed watching the actor who played "War". His talk with Sam is great because it makes Sam face the truth, right out in the open. No lying behind noble excuses. Ouch!

-Totally irrelevent to the story, but I have always liked the black eyes on any show and we got to see them so much here (again, would think budget alone would have stopped them from using that so often).

-Rufus and the pipe bombs. Careful, mister. You're getting dangerously close to Gordon Walker territory. But it was smart of Dean to use Rufus' extensive hunting knowledge to convince him with words instead of simply beating him up.

-Whew! Thought for a second there, they were going to kill Ellen. I wouldn't have forgiven Eric for that one!

-Sam and Dean working together and the "take that!" amputation. Hee hee. When the boys work together, they are just too cool! :)

-I would have liked a 'wrapping up' scene with Ellen, Jo, and Rufus, but instead we get: The awesomeness that is the last scene!!

-Holy C***! What an incredible moment for the two of these guys. Everything about it emphasizes the weight of this conversation. The amazing background. The way Sam starts, Dean tries to deflect again, BUT when Sam says this is important, Dean instantly shuts up and really listens to Sam for the first time in months.

-Sam's speech is the speech of true remorse and full understanding of what his addiction has cost himself and those around him. By not trusting himself, my admitting that he simply misses the feeling of being powerful, it shows that he finally gets it.

-Again, I can be slow. So while a couple people have said they figured they would have to split apart, at least temporarily, I did not see that coming at ALL. It totally blindsided me! My jaw dropped to the floor.

-And Dean's response? The hurt in his face when you realise he is going to let Sam go is just heart-breaking. As I've said before, Dean's whole world is his family. To let Sam go must have hurt him to no end.

-And again, I do NOT see his letting Sam go as a sign that Dean is punishing Sam. When Sam says "I'm sorry" Dean, just like in the last episode tells him, "I know you are.", but there is such a different feeling behind the words now. The apology is sincere and so is Dean's understanding. In fact, the whole conversation is so much more moving this time because none of what was said, was said in anger or in the midst of an argument. But as horrible as it is, there is the glimmer of better things. You know Dean is at least on his way to forgiving Sam when he says...

-"Hey. Do you, uh...want to take the Impala?" :eek::eek::eek: I seriuosly startled the dog here when I gasped so loudly!! What an incredible peace offering.

-And just because I am such a girl, when they tack on the final shots of Sam telling Dean to be careful, Dean saying the same back, unable to look at Sam while he says it, but calling him "Sammy", Dean staring so intently at Sam as he walks away, Sam running his hands along the length of the Impala...ugh, I'll admit, I was sniffling (and not just from this cold I have! ;))

Fantastic episode again, guys. Next week seems forever away.

Madwelshboy
September 18th, 2009, 09:27 AM
On the CW, Vampire Diaries was down from its premiere last week 24% to a 1.6 rating for adults 18-49 (from a 2.1), and 26% to a 1.7 rating for adults 18-34 (from a 2.3). That’s quite a drop in blood pressure. Supernatural fell 14% to a 1.2 rating for adults 18-49 (from a 1.4), and 13% to a 1.3 rating for adults 18-34 (from a 1.5).

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/18/tv-ratings-thursday-strong-bones-weak-parks-office-survivor-good-start-community/27540

starg8fans
September 18th, 2009, 02:40 PM
What can I saw - awesome episode! I swear, Kripke and his writers must be psychic. It's like they hearing our comments before the season even starts. Just think of it:
Wanting to know what was the deal with Dean's amulet? - Check.
Wanting more classic rock? - Check.
Wanting to see Sam deal with his addiction? - Check.
Wanting to know who put the boys on that plane? - Check


Another awesome episode! Great! Despite the obvious, here some comments from my side:

- I'd loved to see the face of the dictor after he saw the Deans X-Ray
- Didn't Bobby gibe the amulet to Sammy in the first place? So where did Bobby get this one from?
- Castiel!
- Walking through the city to "Spirit in the Sky". Awesome

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Good point. Bobby would be too smart to pass on a talisman without knowing what it actually does. My guess is it was some kind of protection charm, and the God EMF is just a side effect. Also, if I remember correctly, it was meant for John, and Dean only got it because his Dad missed Christmas.


http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/18/tv-ratings-thursday-strong-bones-weak-parks-office-survivor-good-start-community/27540

I can't believe there are not more people tuned into a show as great as this one.

Chrichiel, I won't quote your post here due to its length, but I must say I really enjoyed reading it. And I agree with you 100% on everything. Actually, thanks for saving me all the typing. :D I just wanna add one little thing to the 'Dean underestimating himself' paragraph.


-Another great Ellen moment is when she asks Dean what to do. Dean's answer is typical and very true: he usually asks Bobby or Sam. Dean has very low self-esteem in many areas, and one of them is his book knowledge. We know as viewers he can't be as incompetant as he comes off at times, because he was hunting by himself before he got Sam at Stanford. But most of the time when Dean DOES come up with some academic knowledge, Sam gives him a look like "You read?" So here, Ellen again steps in as a strict but supportive mother figure to tell him he is smart, too, and can figure this out.

The same thing happened again with Rufus. When Dean convinced him that it was War, and that he was hallucinating, he said something like "You figure that out on your own, genius?" and Dean doesn't reply. I don't get it, why does he like it when other people think he doesn't have a brain?

P-90_177
September 18th, 2009, 03:04 PM
I'm seeing that alot of people here already knew the amulet was significant. So what episode before this has dealt with it cos I don't remember? Granted there are a couple I haven't seen from season 4. So if someone could tell me where so I can either catch up or recap it'd be helpful. :)

starg8fans
September 18th, 2009, 03:18 PM
I'm seeing that alot of people here already knew the amulet was significant. So what episode before this has dealt with it cos I don't remember? Granted there are a couple I haven't seen from season 4. So if someone could tell me where so I can either catch up or recap it'd be helpful. :)

It was more guessing on our part, because the only time it was really mentioned was in A Very Supernatural Christmas where they showed how Sam gave it to Dean as a gift. It's just that he's always wearing it, so we were speculating about its significance, and if it would be divulged this season.

P-90_177
September 18th, 2009, 03:56 PM
It was more guessing on our part, because the only time it was really mentioned was in A Very Supernatural Christmas where they showed how Sam gave it to Dean as a gift. It's just that he's always wearing it, so we were speculating about its significance, and if it would be divulged this season.

Ah yeah I just went back and saw it. Hmmm. Well in this ep bobby didn't seem to know the signifgance of the amulet. Otherwise when Castiel asked he would have just turned straight to Dean. So clearly it must be a charm in some other way than the God'O'Meter. I've never been able to tell what it is either. I mean from a distance it always looks like some kind of beetle buut close up it looks more like a plucked chicken.

marielabbott
September 18th, 2009, 04:03 PM
I wondered what the deal was when Sam killed those two dudes in the grocery store and they didn't use any sound/visual effects for the demon knife.

Good catch, I didn't even notice that.


Oh man the ending. :( But I figured they would go there and split them up, and I think that is only natural that this would happen after what went down last season.

This was my one quibble with the episode. It is understandable--what a sad scene! But while I really like Castiel, I'm a bit concerned that he and Dean will be paired on adventures and Sam will get pushed slightly to the sideline. Castiel is a main character now, and thus far the vast majority of his screetime has been with Dean, and often with Dean alone. I hope that will change. I can sympathize with your comment about having difficulty in trusting a show 100% after past experiences.


Mount Doom! :D

I laughed at that line. :D Also laughed at Dean's comment, "This isn't the X-Files." :p



-I almost fell off the treadmill when Castiel looked at Dean for the amulet! One of my fan dreams came true! They explained the meaning of the amulet!! I would have been fine had they not, but still always hoped it had some really cool meaning. And I love how attached Dean is to it, how quickly and loudly he said "No!" Word of warning on the "God storyline", though Eric, Sera, Ben, Jeremy, et al: step carefully. That's all I'm saying for now. ;)

I think I actually gasped out loud when Castiel glanced at Dean. :p That was more surprising and unexpected to me than even War being a dude. I also liked how Dean immediately said no, and Castiel's outburst as well. Castiel has had to make tough choices and sacrifices, and it's changed him.

flameling
September 18th, 2009, 04:16 PM
Episodes like me remind me why I like this show.There really bringing out all the stops and throwing them into Revealations. I only wonder what Horsemen we see next.

the fifth man
September 18th, 2009, 06:16 PM
I watched this one again this evening, and it was even better the second time around. So much went on, and so much is being set up for what is to come. I truly believe that this season will be the best yet for this show.

LoneStar1836
September 18th, 2009, 07:44 PM
Hey. We got our own episode subforum. :D


Course they still seem to be leading Sam towards being a leader for Hells side which will be very cool. Just need to have him meeting up with Lucifer.I think you are right...or that at least Sam is still vulnerable to being lead in opposition to Dean and I can't say that's not where the writers aren't headed.

Kinda has me torn. On the one hand I love dark/conflicted storylines but on the other, I don't want Sam to be the bad guy and succumb to the ultimate fate that YED believed him destined for. Where as I never saw him as a bad guy last season, this season he is clearheaded and in a better state of mind to make decisions for himself, and I will certainly hold him very responsible for the choices he makes.


Good point. Bobby would be too smart to pass on a talisman without knowing what it actually does. My guess is it was some kind of protection charm, and the God EMF is just a side effect. Also, if I remember correctly, it was meant for John, and Dean only got it because his Dad missed Christmas.Imo, I think tptb saw their chance to finally assign something supernatural to Dean's necklace. I don't think they ever had any kind of plan for it until now, which is fine, because in a way they still made it fit logically into the story. It plays into the whole fate aspect of the show...Bobby gave it to Sam to give to John but ended up giving it to Dean who ended up being the one to break the first seal rather than John. I think Bobby just gave it to Sam so he'd have something to give to his father. If he had know it had any actual special power, he'd have given it to John directly.

Now the whole God EMF thing is a little out there for me so I can't say I'm jumping for joy that that is what was decided on, but I'm willing to roll with it because no matter what power it was given it will always first and foremost represent the bond between the brothers and the sentimental value it holds for Dean. I never really cared if had some other part to play beyond that.:)




This was my one quibble with the episode. It is understandable--what a sad scene! But while I really like Castiel, I'm a bit concerned that he and Dean will be paired on adventures and Sam will get pushed slightly to the sideline. Castiel is a main character now, and thus far the vast majority of his screetime has been with Dean, and often with Dean alone. I hope that will change.I do worry about that as well. I like Cas, but I'm not really interested in the Dean and Cas show with some Sam on the side.

I'm hoping they won't do that because I think Sam still has an important part to play on the show and in the mythos. He needs to rediscover himself. For three of the past four seasons he has been fueled by the need for revenge. That's behind him, and he needs to figure out just where he goes from there. Hopefully the brothers will come back together because they choose to and not because they are forced to by circumstances like they originally where...though that may be wishful thinking.

I still think it is important to have them split, but it does have the potential to go wrong.

the fifth man
September 18th, 2009, 07:49 PM
I still think it is important to have them split, but it does have the potential to go wrong.

I don't see it going wrong. In the end, they are brothers, and they will find their way back to each other. I truly believe that.

LoneStar1836
September 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
I don't see it going wrong. In the end, they are brothers, and they will find their way back to each other. I truly believe that.
I think they will too. :) I meant go wrong in the possibility that the story might focus more heavily on Cas/Dean and Sam takes more of a backseat. I don't think it will, but I can see it being a concern for some people...especially now that MC is full time cast. *tries not to think of S5 of SGA*

MB.Eddie
September 18th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Really did not see the twist coming with it being War and all being a hallucination. I thought they'd be saving the Four Horsemen for later this season. Guess not... LOL Which is really great! I mean, it shows that they're not holding anything back. The apocalypse is here and it is ON.

I thought it was actually a bit predictable. Not the horseman part, but them all not really being demons. Still was a good episode, and nice to see some familiar faces again.

Hope Sam & Dean get back together pretty quick. Show never worked as well when they were apart imo, even if it was pivotal to the plot.

starg8fans
September 18th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Ah yeah I just went back and saw it. Hmmm. Well in this ep bobby didn't seem to know the signifgance of the amulet. Otherwise when Castiel asked he would have just turned straight to Dean. So clearly it must be a charm in some other way than the God'O'Meter. I've never been able to tell what it is either. I mean from a distance it always looks like some kind of beetle buut close up it looks more like a plucked chicken.

It's the head of some pagan looking deity.

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt144/SupNatFans/suneck1a.jpg


This was my one quibble with the episode. It is understandable--what a sad scene! But while I really like Castiel, I'm a bit concerned that he and Dean will be paired on adventures and Sam will get pushed slightly to the sideline. Castiel is a main character now, and thus far the vast majority of his screetime has been with Dean, and often with Dean alone. I hope that will change. I can sympathize with your comment about having difficulty in trusting a show 100% after past experiences.


do worry about that as well. I like Cas, but I'm not really interested in the Dean and Cas show with some Sam on the side.

I'm hoping they won't do that because I think Sam still has an important part to play on the show and in the mythos. He needs to rediscover himself. For three of the past four seasons he has been fueled by the need for revenge. That's behind him, and he needs to figure out just where he goes from there. Hopefully the brothers will come back together because they choose to and not because they are forced to by circumstances like they originally where...though that may be wishful thinking.

Kripke said healing the rift between the brothers would be one of the main arcs of the story, so I'm positive that's where we will be heading, and probably sooner rather than later. I think episode 4 will bring them a big step further, whenDean tries to break with Sam, and Zachariah takes him 4 years into the future, showing him that Sam will go totally evil as a result Remember how worried the fans were after the S3 finale, that they waste a good portion of the season trying to bring Dean back from hell? And it happened in the first minute of S4. I have total faith in Kripke to do the right thing. Also, Sam will be featured quite prominently in the next ep, although Dean's gonna be with Cas, so I wouldn't worry about him being relegated to a secondary character. But I agree, I prefer them together too.


I think I actually gasped out loud when Castiel glanced at Dean. :p That was more surprising and unexpected to me than even War being a dude. I also liked how Dean immediately said no, and Castiel's outburst as well. Castiel has had to make tough choices and sacrifices, and it's changed him.

Actually, I gasped out loud when Cas looked at Dean because I knew they would explain the pendant now. And it was so funny how Dean said he felt naked when he took it off, because that's what I imagined he'd feel.

I really like the way they're portraying Cas this year. Following his choices and experience from last season he's become more human, more emotional, but still in his usual detached way.


I think they will too. :) I meant go wrong in the possibility that the story might focus more heavily on Cas/Dean and Sam takes more of a backseat. I don't think it will, but I can see it being a concern for some people...especially now that MC is full time cast. *tries not to think of S5 of SGA*

It galls me sometimes to think what these writers could have done for SGA...

P-90_177
September 19th, 2009, 02:04 AM
Hey. We got our own episode subforum. :D

I think you are right...or that at least Sam is still vulnerable to being lead in opposition to Dean and I can't say that's not where the writers aren't headed.

Kinda has me torn. On the one hand I love dark/conflicted storylines but on the other, I don't want Sam to be the bad guy and succumb to the ultimate fate that YED believed him destined for. Where as I never saw him as a bad guy last season, this season he is clearheaded and in a better state of mind to make decisions for himself, and I will certainly hold him very responsible for the choices he makes.


See I don't think he's clear headed at all. I mean yeah he's better off when he was having a shot of demon blood everyday but rght now he's craving it still. I mean we saw him in the shop after he killed those two boys and if it wasn't for dean bursting in he probably would have drank some of the blood.......course if he did there's a chance that they would have realised they weren't demons a lot sooner and the whole episode would have wrapped up alot quicker. Granted if he does turn evil that will be his choice, but then again he does still have demon blood in him which affects his mind, and as we've seen with other psychic kids, the more they use their powers then the more warped they become, and sams been in such a dark place for 2 whole seasons now that it's gonna be hard for him to crawl out. Thing is of course that sam has always tried to do what is right, it's just that no matter what he does then he continues to slip. Even now I don't see it as his fault, it's just still the wheels of Azazals plan in motion.


I thought it was actually a bit predictable. Not the horseman part, but them all not really being demons. Still was a good episode, and nice to see some familiar faces again.

Hope Sam & Dean get back together pretty quick. Show never worked as well when they were apart imo, even if it was pivotal to the plot.

Yeah I found it pretty predictable as well. I mean right from the start, those two "demons" we see walking towards Rufus when he called Bobby didn't look all that.......demony. Demons tend to go by a particular set of tactics. They tend to hit and run and stalk their prey. They don't tend to walk straight out in front of gun fire if they can avoid it, even if they are safe inside their meatsuit. And secondly the instant sam knifed those two kids I knew for definate they couldn't be demons. I mean they have always used that effect when using the knife, and a show that seems very particular on details wouldn't just stop using it.

SheppAddictedFangirl
September 19th, 2009, 03:02 AM
5.02 Wow, what an ep!

Loved it when Bobby yelled at Cas to get his ass over and heal him already :lol: The look of utter disbelief and the brothers barely keeping from cracking up was priceless!! LOL

I sure hope heīs not stuck like that :(

Seriously though, was kinda annoyed with Dean for giving Cas the mouthoff, especially since he and his brother were reponsible for the mess the worldīs in right now (really? was kinda messed up before, too :p ) but when Cas gave him the "keep your opinions to yourself" speech (and donīt get me wrong, I love Dean) but when Cas did that, he took the words right out of my mouth! :p
Not sure what to make of the whole "GOD" concept :o

And why exactly did Cas need Deanīs necklace?! Wonder where that will lead...it was cute when Dean went all "big brother" on him though: "Donīt loose it!!" :p

Ellen rocked :D
Loved her throwing the water in Deanīs face and still not fully trusty until they step over her devilīs trap without getting trapped, then she goes all warm and fuzzy and gives a bearhug, only to punch Dean a good one and tell him to put her on speed dial! :lol:

The whole town being "possessed" by hallucination was certainly a twist I didnīt see coming :eek:

Poor Sammy, even as a human, having salt poured down the throat? :eek:
I mean, I like my food salted, but thereīs a limit :p

And so much for "being cured", I knew it couldnīt be that easy to get off, especially after such a long time of being "addicted". I wasnīt so sure if heīd stay off the demon blood...

the end.. well, I hate it when they break up teams, and the brothers are a team to me, even though they both have a history in hunting without the other, but I guess some ramifications were to be expected. Iīm curious how this will continue....

starg8fans
September 19th, 2009, 12:45 PM
See I don't think he's clear headed at all. I mean yeah he's better off when he was having a shot of demon blood everyday but rght now he's craving it still. I mean we saw him in the shop after he killed those two boys and if it wasn't for dean bursting in he probably would have drank some of the blood.......course if he did there's a chance that they would have realised they weren't demons a lot sooner and the whole episode would have wrapped up alot quicker. Granted if he does turn evil that will be his choice, but then again he does still have demon blood in him which affects his mind, and as we've seen with other psychic kids, the more they use their powers then the more warped they become, and sams been in such a dark place for 2 whole seasons now that it's gonna be hard for him to crawl out. Thing is of course that sam has always tried to do what is right, it's just that no matter what he does then he continues to slip. Even now I don't see it as his fault, it's just still the wheels of Azazals plan in motion.

But does he? Ruby said in Lucifer Rising that he 'blew his whole payload on the boss'. I thought that meant he'd burnt up all the demon blood in him. Which might explain his body temp of 150?...


5.02 Wow, what an ep!

Loved it when Bobby yelled at Cas to get his ass over and heal him already :lol: The look of utter disbelief and the brothers barely keeping from cracking up was priceless!! LOL

I sure hope heīs not stuck like that :(

Seriously though, was kinda annoyed with Dean for giving Cas the mouthoff, especially since he and his brother were reponsible for the mess the worldīs in right now (really? was kinda messed up before, too :p ) but when Cas gave him the "keep your opinions to yourself" speech (and donīt get me wrong, I love Dean) but when Cas did that, he took the words right out of my mouth! :p
Not sure what to make of the whole "GOD" concept :o

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the end.. well, I hate it when they break up teams, and the brothers are a team to me, even though they both have a history in hunting without the other, but I guess some ramifications were to be expected. Iīm curious how this will continue....

Glad to see you found a way to watch this too, SAF!

I just like to see Dean's and Cas' relationship continue the way it was. I know that they've become allies and a lot closer, but from their whole disposition they are so different it's quite clear they'll always rub each other the wrong way. And let's face it, since The Rapture we know what an ordeal it is for the vessel to 'house' an angel, and now that Dean has met the guy I'm sure he's rather uncomfortable with Cas 'possessing' him - consent or not. Especially in this case, where the consent was only given to save his daughter from this fate. So yes, Cas gave up everything, but so did Jimmy.

SheppAddictedFangirl
September 19th, 2009, 03:39 PM
But does he? Ruby said in Lucifer Rising that he 'blew his whole payload on the boss'. I thought that meant he'd burnt up all the demon blood in him. Which might explain his body temp of 150?...

Glad to see you found a way to watch this too, SAF!

I just like to see Dean's and Cas' relationship continue the way it was. I know that they've become allies and a lot closer, but from their whole disposition they are so different it's quite clear they'll always rub each other the wrong way. And let's face it, since The Rapture we know what an ordeal it is for the vessel to 'house' an angel, and now that Dean has met the guy I'm sure he's rather uncomfortable with Cas 'possessing' him - consent or not. Especially in this case, where the consent was only given to save his daughter from this fate. So yes, Cas gave up everything, but so did Jimmy.

Indeed, that gotta be tough. And thatīs probably why he wasnīt keen on letting "Michael" nab him, even though heīs a good guy. Well, I guess he is? :p

LoneStar1836
September 19th, 2009, 06:34 PM
Kripke said healing the rift between the brothers would be one of the main arcs of the story, so I'm positive that's where we will be heading, and probably sooner rather than later. I think episode 4 will bring them a big step further, whenDean tries to break with Sam, and Zachariah takes him 4 years into the future, showing him that Sam will go totally evil as a result Interesting. I haven't been reading spoilers as of late. Sooner rather than later is good. I couldn't see it going on for too long...as them together is the heart of the show...but after seeing the preview for next week's ep, it seemed kind of ominous in regard to where Sam was headed...like oh great another woman telling Sam what he wants to hear....

As to that spoiler, I totally distrust Zach and his motivations. So he could just be screwing with Dean as usual.



Remember how worried the fans were after the S3 finale, that they waste a good portion of the season trying to bring Dean back from hell? And it happened in the first minute of S4. I have total faith in Kripke to do the right thing. Also, Sam will be featured quite prominently in the next ep, although Dean's gonna be with Cas, so I wouldn't worry about him being relegated to a secondary character. But I agree, I prefer them together too.Not really as I saw LR before I ever watched Season 2 or 3. :D I'm too spoiled by being able to watch the first 3 seasons on dvd within the span of two months. :mckay: Sucked having to wade through repeats in order to see S4.


See I don't think he's clear headed at all. I mean yeah he's better off when he was having a shot of demon blood everyday but rght now he's craving it still. I mean we saw him in the shop after he killed those two boys and if it wasn't for dean bursting in he probably would have drank some of the blood.......course if he did there's a chance that they would have realised they weren't demons a lot sooner and the whole episode would have wrapped up alot quicker. Granted if he does turn evil that will be his choice, but then again he does still have demon blood in him which affects his mind, and as we've seen with other psychic kids, the more they use their powers then the more warped they become, and sams been in such a dark place for 2 whole seasons now that it's gonna be hard for him to crawl out. Thing is of course that sam has always tried to do what is right, it's just that no matter what he does then he continues to slip. Even now I don't see it as his fault, it's just still the wheels of Azazals plan in motion.Agreed. He still has that problem weighing him down just like any recovering addict would, but at least he no longer has Ruby whispering in his ear, and he isn't driven by revenge any longer, imo.

His direction this season will be more of his own choosing, or that's how I see it. Season one was all about finding John and dealing with his anger towards his father as well as getting revenge for Jessica and dealing with his guilt about her death. Season two was still about getting revenge...even more so now that John was dead. Three was all about saving Dean as his driving motivation. Season 4 turned up the revenge factor to eleven. I see that blinding factor as finally having been removed. Granted he still has a lot of stuff to work through, but he has more freedom of choice now to work himself out of that dark hole he helped dig. So if he continues to slide, not sure I can feel as sympathetic towards him...it could certainly be interesting to watch though. But I'll have to wait and see where the season takes us.

He may still have demon blood in him, but it's not controlling him, and it never did, imo. It was the feeling of power that corrupted the other kids as well as Sam. So to put it simply I want free will to ultimately win out over fate, but distinguishing between the two is so damn difficult on this show. The choices they make seem so pointless as they end up leading them to the same predetermined ending. It's like what the hell, why bother trying....which I'd say the characters have to struggle with now more than ever.

starg8fans
September 19th, 2009, 10:26 PM
Indeed, that gotta be tough. And thatīs probably why he wasnīt keen on letting "Michael" nab him, even though heīs a good guy. Well, I guess he is? :p

Actually, that part surprised me a bit. Dean was always prepared at the drop of a hat to sacrifice himself for others. Now he's come round. I think the whole trust issue plays a major part here. He doesn't trust Sam anymore, he certainly doesn't trust Zach, and he just saw Bobby possessed... He must feel he's totally on his own, so he's not doing anybody any favors anymore. Well, there's Cas of course, but he's not very forthcoming either.


Interesting. I haven't been reading spoilers as of late. Sooner rather than later is good. I couldn't see it going on for too long...as them together is the heart of the show...but after seeing the preview for next week's ep, it seemed kind of ominous in regard to where Sam was headed...like oh great another woman telling Sam what he wants to hear....

As to that spoiler, I totally distrust Zach and his motivations. So he could just be screwing with Dean as usual.


Not really as I saw LR before I ever watched Season 2 or 3. :D I'm too spoiled by being able to watch the first 3 seasons on dvd within the span of two months. :mckay: Sucked having to wade through repeats in order to see S4.

This is the first season I'm watching live as well. The wait between eps is terrible. But still better than the summer...


Agreed. He still has that problem weighing him down just like any recovering addict would, but at least he no longer has Ruby whispering in his ear, and he isn't driven by revenge any longer, imo.

His direction this season will be more of his own choosing, or that's how I see it. Season one was all about finding John and dealing with his anger towards his father as well as getting revenge for Jessica and dealing with his guilt about her death. Season two was still about getting revenge...even more so now that John was dead. Three was all about saving Dean as his driving motivation. Season 4 turned up the revenge factor to eleven. I see that blinding factor as finally having been removed. Granted he still has a lot of stuff to work through, but he has more freedom of choice now to work himself out of that dark hole he helped dig. So if he continues to slide, not sure I can feel as sympathetic towards him...it could certainly be interesting to watch though. But I'll have to wait and see where the season takes us.

He may still have demon blood in him, but it's not controlling him, and it never did, imo. It was the feeling of power that corrupted the other kids as well as Sam. So to put it simply I want free will to ultimately win out over fate, but distinguishing between the two is so damn difficult on this show. The choices they make seem so pointless as they end up leading them to the same predetermined ending. It's like what the hell, why bother trying....which I'd say the characters have to struggle with now more than ever.

Good point. He's tried one way and look where it lead him, so let's see what way he chooses next time. I like that they brought up the power issue, that it's the headrush of being stronger than other people that pushed Sam's buttons. I figure it's a result of growing up with two such commanding figures as his father and his older brother. He was the small and weakest one for so long, he's just dying to turn the page. First he did it on an intellectual level, but he had to give that up, now he'd found another way. You remember in Sex and Violence how he boated to Dean that he was stronger, smarter and the better hunter? That's where he wanted to be.

And yes, the writers are doing a great job of addressing this issue of free will vs. fate. The latter seems to be winning, but the story is not over yet. Again, Dean's refusal to be an 'Angel condom' is another attempt at having the boys determine their own destiny, let's see if he'll manage it this time.

Madwelshboy
September 20th, 2009, 08:06 AM
Great Episode!

-Ellen, Jo & Rufus - great to see past characters back, hope they'll appear again.
-Deans X-Ray - Cool
-Amulet Twist!
-Four Hourseman, well only just War, but heres hoping for the other 3!

Crichiel
September 21st, 2009, 07:13 AM
Like I didn't already write enough ;), but I just wanted to add my two cents on comments made about Castiel and Dean (I was going to say this earlier, but my post was already too long).

I love the story arc of splitting the brothers up. Hate that it happened because it is so sad, but it makes for compelling television. BUT I too have concerns about the Cas/Dean show. It was the first thing that I thought of when they said they were making Misha a regular. I really loved the addition of Castiel and ADORE Misha, but I am leery of Castiel becoming the third Winchester, riding around with them week to week.

However, I too am willing to reserve judgement until I see what the writers actually do. I was VERY pleased with Castiel's role in Good God, Y'all. THAT is exactly how I would like him used. Like Bobby: an active presence, showing up for a purpose, used to showcase Sam and Dean's character.

So, so far so good with Castiel. And I will also wait until AFTER Sam and Dean get back together before I judge, because with them separated, that isn't going to be a true representation of how Castiel fits into their relationship. That make sense?

Oh, and this is also the first season that I have watched the show live as well. I watched seasons 1-3 in two weeks, and watched season 4 in reruns this summer. I am really enjoying it so far, because when I first got addicted, I read up everything I could about the show...and hence spoiled every major plotline before I saw it (i.e. I knew Dean was going to Hell before I even started to watch season 3). It is really cool NOT knowing where everything is headed. We'll see if I feel the same way during the long holiday hiatus shows take from November-February. That is going to be the true test of my willpower to avoid spoilers!! :o

flameling
September 22nd, 2009, 02:46 PM
Does anyone have a picture of the sigil? I want to see it again, just out of curiousity.

starg8fans
September 22nd, 2009, 08:52 PM
Does anyone have a picture of the sigil? I want to see it again, just out of curiousity.

Here you go, it's the clearest shot I could get.

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt144/SupNatFans/Dean%20S5/AnokianSigil.jpg

flameling
September 23rd, 2009, 04:44 PM
Thanks starg8fans, I didn't get a good look at it before. I kind of feel sorry for the doctors assigned to anything like THAT.

Crichiel
September 24th, 2009, 06:54 AM
Thanks starg8fans, I didn't get a good look at it before. I kind of feel sorry for the doctors assigned to anything like THAT.

Personally, I was surprised that after seeing that the doctor's wouldn't have strapped Dean down and kept him locked up (calling the police, social services, and the National Enquirer) until they figured out how and why it had been done!! ;)

starg8fans
September 25th, 2009, 11:14 PM
Personally, I was surprised that after seeing that the doctor's wouldn't have strapped Dean down and kept him locked up (calling the police, social services, and the National Enquirer) until they figured out how and why it had been done!! ;)

Especially since there are no scars on Dean's chest that would have explained how it was done... But then, Dean can talk his way out of most situations, I'm sure he spun some yarn that had the doctors back off.

starg8fans
September 26th, 2009, 12:28 AM
P.S. I just thought of something else. Did anybody else think that War's ring looked rather similar to the one Dean is wearing? What if his ring actually belongs to one of the Apocalyptic Riders, and they'll come after it? I know this is far out, I mean what are the chances that both the necklace and the ring are supernatural trinkets. Plus War would probably have said something about it - unless he was about to when the boys grabbed him and chopped off his fingers.

iolanda
September 26th, 2009, 12:33 AM
Especially since there are no scars on Dean's chest that would have explained how it was done... But then, Dean can talk his way out of most situations, I'm sure he spun some yarn that had the doctors back off.

"You know, one night I was really, really drunk and woke up with tattooing scars all over my back, but it was just the scars and no ink. My buddies laughed their asses off and said it was invisible ink. Looks like it's not so invisible to X-Rays."

starg8fans
September 26th, 2009, 01:13 AM
"You know, one night I was really, really drunk and woke up with tattooing scars all over my back, but it was just the scars and no ink. My buddies laughed their asses off and said it was invisible ink. Looks like it's not so invisible to X-Rays."
Good one, Iolanda! http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Sigs%20Collages%20etc/smilies/smiley1775.gif

Rose "Snapjinx" McKnight
February 17th, 2010, 06:29 AM
P.S. I just thought of something else. Did anybody else think that War's ring looked rather similar to the one Dean is wearing? What if his ring actually belongs to one of the Apocalyptic Riders, and they'll come after it? I know this is far out, I mean what are the chances that both the necklace and the ring are supernatural trinkets. Plus War would probably have said something about it - unless he was about to when the boys grabbed him and chopped off his fingers.

That'd be pretty freakin' sweet. Dean would be loaded down with all manner of supernatural paraphenalia and not even know it. :lol:

So, I really like War and I'm excited to see the other three horseman. Because he's not snarkily bad like the demons (God knows that got friggin' annoying after, oh, season two). He genuinely just has fun wreaking havoc. It's what he was born to do and he's waited millennia to do it and now he's finally allowed to. Great villain.