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iolanda
August 20th, 2009, 12:26 AM
What are your reasons to love or like Supernatural?

Is it the boys, the stories, the gore?

For me its not the gore, I am not a great fan of the horror genre at all, but I like films like "the Ring".

Supernatural lives and breathes. For me its the characters, who are just great developed and acted. I like, that you know them so well but still don't necessarily know everything about them and that there is always the possibility that something is going on behind your back.

Then its the stories, which first started with a little bit "monsters of the week" but since the main storyline got its grip its getting stronger and stronger. Not that it started weak at all.

You never know how the next episode will be - is it funny, is is sad or creepy, or is it everything from hilarious to depressing.

Oh, and I love how they make an earnest episode and are still able to put one or two scenes inside which crack me up - without ruining the story.

There are so many more points I could picture out (like playing with genres or tropes), but first I'd love to see your points :D

Edit: To distinguish this from the general discussion, I thought this to be more a meta discussion about the whole show and its concepts.

the fifth man
August 20th, 2009, 05:53 PM
For me, it is the characters, the stories, and the gore. I pretty much love everything about this show. I have from Day 1.

kennythewraith
August 21st, 2009, 12:18 AM
like fifth said.....just about everything on this show is done so well that it makes it awesome.....and how kripke and co. continue to get better and better every year while getting their budget slashed every year is amazing as well.

starg8fans
August 21st, 2009, 12:33 AM
Supernatural filled the void left by Stargate for me. What they have in common, and what attracts me to them both, is that they're SciFi/Fantasy, but in a RL setting, in our own place and time.

I don't watch a lot of TV so I don't have a base for comparison, but the quality of the actors on Spn down to the smallest role is amazing. They make the stories so believable, and draw you into the plot.

the fifth man
August 21st, 2009, 06:38 PM
Supernatural filled the void left by Stargate for me. What they have in common, and what attracts me to them both, is that they're SciFi/Fantasy, but in a RL setting, in our own place and time.

I don't watch a lot of TV so I don't have a base for comparison, but the quality of the actors on Spn down to the smallest role is amazing. They make the stories so believable, and draw you into the plot.

If more shows made were of this quality, the entire industry would be in much better shape. No doubt about it IMO.

Krisz
August 21st, 2009, 10:17 PM
Supernatural filled the void left by Stargate for me. What they have in common, and what attracts me to them both, is that they're SciFi/Fantasy, but in a RL setting, in our own place and time.

I don't watch a lot of TV so I don't have a base for comparison, but the quality of the actors on Spn down to the smallest role is amazing. They make the stories so believable, and draw you into the plot.

Pretty much it for me as well. I was hooked from the moment I first saw this show. It's got the same wonderful sense of humour that I love about Stargate, along with riveting storylines and really good characters. They've also got the 'creepy kids' thing down to a fine art! They make ordinary things so fantastically creepy, totally brilliant!

starg8fans
August 21st, 2009, 11:14 PM
Pretty much it for me as well. I was hooked from the moment I first saw this show. It's got the same wonderful sense of humour that I love about Stargate, along with riveting storylines and really good characters. They've also got the 'creepy kids' thing down to a fine art! They make ordinary things so fantastically creepy, totally brilliant!

That last argument is a very good point. There are a few things in my home I'll never look at the same way again. :o Also, I love Kripke's twisted sense of humor. In the interview he did on the DVD set about A Very Supernatural Christmas he said that there were three scenes they wanted to do to make it a totally perverted Christmas - and one of them was to kill somebody with a Christmas tree. Now, who else but Spn would think of something like that?

Krisz
August 22nd, 2009, 09:45 AM
That last argument is a very good point. There are a few things in my home I'll never look at the same way again. :o Also, I love Kripke's twisted sense of humor. In the interview he did on the DVD set about A Very Supernatural Christmas he said that there were three scenes they wanted to do to make it a totally perverted Christmas - and one of them was to kill somebody with a Christmas tree. Now, who else but Spn would think of something like that?

I've really got to look at the extras on my DVDs, that is hilarious! Definately see that whacky twisted humour in the different ways he found...

to kill Dean in 'Mystery Spot'!

I loved another show, 'Dead Like Me' for the same reason, it too had fantastic 'black' humour.

iolanda
August 22nd, 2009, 09:54 AM
Mystery spot is a great example for "what makes SPN special".

When I watched it for the first time I just had no idea what's going on. Was this supposed to be funny or dramatic? And it changed the whole time.
I first thought that this is "yet another Groundhog Day rippoff " - and after the second death it gets funny, just to become extremely sad and depressing in the end.

Some episodes start with a cliché, they play with some rules one is used to, but then they turn into something so different. Its a little bit like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get.

Krisz
August 22nd, 2009, 10:10 AM
Mystery spot is a great example for "what makes SPN special".

When I watched it for the first time I just had no idea what's going on. Was this supposed to be funny or dramatic? And it changed the whole time.
I first thought that this is "yet another Groundhog Day rippoff " - and after the second death it gets funny, just to become extremely sad and depressing in the end.

Some episodes start with a cliché, they play with some rules one is used to, but then they turn into something so different. Its a little bit like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get.

Totally agree with you on that one! It's the seamless way this show can go from the sublime to the ridiculous, the comic and tragic in just one episode. Over the span of a series this is reinforced as we watch the characters face each challenge and how they subtly change with each one they are faced with. It's that masterful characterisation that makes this show so awesome for me, along with the fantastic situations they are faced with.

starg8fans
August 22nd, 2009, 02:00 PM
I've really got to look at the extras on my DVDs, that is hilarious! Definately see that whacky twisted humour in the different ways he found...

to kill Dean in 'Mystery Spot'!

I loved another show, 'Dead Like Me' for the same reason, it too had fantastic 'black' humour.

I love the specials and BTS stuff. That's why I buy the DVD sets even though I have all the eps from iTunes anyway. And that was one great episode!


Mystery spot is a great example for "what makes SPN special".

When I watched it for the first time I just had no idea what's going on. Was this supposed to be funny or dramatic? And it changed the whole time.
I first thought that this is "yet another Groundhog Day rippoff " - and after the second death it gets funny, just to become extremely sad and depressing in the end.

Some episodes start with a cliché, they play with some rules one is used to, but then they turn into something so different. Its a little bit like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get.

It's the famous story where you're not sure whether you should laugh or cry. I think it's also a credit to everybody how close they make the fans feel to the Winchester boys. You really feel with and for them as they go through their roller coaster ride of a life.


Totally agree with you on that one! It's the seamless way this show can go from the sublime to the ridiculous, the comic and tragic in just one episode. Over the span of a series this is reinforced as we watch the characters face each challenge and how they subtly change with each one they are faced with. It's that masterful characterisation that makes this show so awesome for me, along with the fantastic situations they are faced with.

What amazes me is that - with the exception of Ghostfacers which I blame on the time constraints after the writers' strike ended - they have never struck out with a single one of their experiments. There were a few eps where I was really worried before their aired, because I felt they would be too clichéd or would mess with the wonderful chemistry the show has, but I was always proven wrong, and many of those episodes have become my favorites.

I think the best example was The Monster at the end of the Book. When I read the synopsis I was thinking 'Meh' - but the way they poked fun at themselves and (in a very kind and tongue-in-cheek way) at the fans was pure brilliance. "The best part is when they cry." :lol: And the scene about the slash fan? I was laughing until I cried.

Krisz
August 24th, 2009, 06:11 PM
I love the specials and BTS stuff. That's why I buy the DVD sets even though I have all the eps from iTunes anyway. And that was one great episode!



It's the famous story where you're not sure whether you should laugh or cry. I think it's also a credit to everybody how close they make the fans feel to the Winchester boys. You really feel with and for them as they go through their roller coaster ride of a life.



What amazes me is that - with the exception of Ghostfacers which I blame on the time constraints after the writers' strike ended - they have never struck out with a single one of their experiments. There were a few eps where I was really worried before their aired, because I felt they would be too clich餠or would mess with the wonderful chemistry the show has, but I was always proven wrong, and many of those episodes have become my favorites.

I think the best example was The Monster at the end of the Book. When I read the synopsis I was thinking 'Meh' - but the way they poked fun at themselves and (in a very kind and tongue-in-cheek way) at the fans was pure brilliance. "The best part is when they cry." :lol: And the scene about the slash fan? I was laughing until I cried.

I've yet to see 'The Monster at the End of the Book', it was one I missed due to having to go out and never got a chance to see it. Looking forward to the season box set coming out on Sept 1st!

I find sometimes that I read the synopsis of an episode too and think, hmmm. However, I've always been amazed how I get drawn into the stories every time, however mundane the premise seemed. I guess this is what makes this show so awesome, their ablity to put a wonderful twist on the simplest of things.

'The Benders' was one episode where I wondered how its subject was relevant and 'scary'. It turned out to be a really memorable episode, more terrible than some of the other supernatural stuff!

the fifth man
August 24th, 2009, 06:26 PM
'The Benders' was one episode where I wondered how its subject was relevant and 'scary'. It turned out to be a really memorable episode, more terrible than some of the other supernatural stuff!

That episode really amazed me with how good it turned out to be.:)

Crichiel
August 25th, 2009, 12:41 PM
I get scared by horror, so I actually WANTED to like this show, but the few times I caught part of it, I was too scared to sit through it. But when a bunch of friends from these Gateworld threads kept touting how good it was, I decided to give it another chance.

Watched the first disc and was blown away by the tight, unique scripts and amazing humour. Was still scared of the gore but by the third disc, I had gotten past that (living proof that those OOT mothers are right, you CAN get numb to the violence pretty easily! :o). The scripts just got better and better, Jensen was flawless from the start (and not hard to look at), but Jared soon found Sam's voice and was right up there with Jensen in terms of acting. The dramatics arcs got even more heart-wrenching. They excel at finding guest actors (recurring and one-timers) and their humour is now unequaled by any other show that *I* have seen. What an incredible mix, this show is absolutely everything!

the fifth man
August 26th, 2009, 05:14 PM
I get scared by horror, so I actually WANTED to like this show, but the few times I caught part of it, I was too scared to sit through it. But when a bunch of friends from these Gateworld threads kept touting how good it was, I decided to give it another chance.

Watched the first disc and was blown away by the tight, unique scripts and amazing humour. Was still scared of the gore but by the third disc, I had gotten past that (living proof that those OOT mothers are right, you CAN get numb to the violence pretty easily! :o). The scripts just got better and better, Jensen was flawless from the start (and not hard to look at), but Jared soon found Sam's voice and was right up there with Jensen in terms of acting. The dramatics arcs got even more heart-wrenching. They excel at finding guest actors (recurring and one-timers) and their humour is now unequaled by any other show that *I* have seen. What an incredible mix, this show is absolutely everything!

Glad to hear that you were able to put aside your fears, and actually overcome them, in order to enjoy this show. Trust me, if you stick with it, things just get better and better.:)

starg8fans
August 26th, 2009, 09:10 PM
I get scared by horror, so I actually WANTED to like this show, but the few times I caught part of it, I was too scared to sit through it. But when a bunch of friends from these Gateworld threads kept touting how good it was, I decided to give it another chance.

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Glad to hear that you were able to put aside your fears, and actually overcome them, in order to enjoy this show. Trust me, if you stick with it, things just get better and better.:)

Same here, if somebody had told me half a year ago that I'd be diligently watching a horror show I would have thought they were mad. But even though I'm usually no fan of this genre, this show is too good to pass up. What I discovered pretty quickly is that if you get through the opening of an episode the worst is quite often over. It's almost as if they try to get the gore and the shocker out of the way so they can concentrate on the actual story. Of course it's still scary after that, but it's developed as a part of the plot in a way that makes it organic.

And yes, I also developed a certain resistance after a while. It's a real shame to think people are missing out on this excellent programming because they can't jump over their own shadow at first.

Crichiel
August 27th, 2009, 10:28 AM
Glad to hear that you were able to put aside your fears, and actually overcome them, in order to enjoy this show. Trust me, if you stick with it, things just get better and better.:)

Oh, trust me, I overcame them fast! I rented the first two disc from Netflix and when they weren't coming fast enough, I just bought all 3 seasons (and pre-ordered season 4). I watch the first 3 season in just over a week!!!

kennythewraith
August 27th, 2009, 10:46 AM
this show is awesome because the guest stars and recurring characters alwasy [email protected]$$ ....well except for when they fired katie cassidy for the new ruby.....i miss katie cassidy.

the fifth man
August 27th, 2009, 05:43 PM
this show is awesome because the guest stars and recurring characters alwasy kick @$$ ....well except for when they fired katie cassidy for the new ruby.....i miss katie cassidy.

I thought Katie Cassidy was the better of the two Rubys as well, but her replacement got better as time went on.

Krisz
August 29th, 2009, 04:43 PM
I get scared by horror, so I actually WANTED to like this show, but the few times I caught part of it, I was too scared to sit through it. But when a bunch of friends from these Gateworld threads kept touting how good it was, I decided to give it another chance.

Watched the first disc and was blown away by the tight, unique scripts and amazing humour. Was still scared of the gore but by the third disc, I had gotten past that (living proof that those OOT mothers are right, you CAN get numb to the violence pretty easily! :o). The scripts just got better and better, Jensen was flawless from the start (and not hard to look at), but Jared soon found Sam's voice and was right up there with Jensen in terms of acting. The dramatics arcs got even more heart-wrenching. They excel at finding guest actors (recurring and one-timers) and their humour is now unequaled by any other show that *I* have seen. What an incredible mix, this show is absolutely everything!

Well said, and I totally agree about the 'incredible mix'. I'm not a horror fan either, can't stand horror for horror's sake. Supernatural puts the the 'horror' in a believable context and it is always part of the story they are telling, not the story itself! That is what makes it 'acceptable' to me, and why the writing in this show is some of the best I've ever come across in all my years of TV watching.

the fifth man
August 29th, 2009, 05:39 PM
Well said, and I totally agree about the 'incredible mix'. I'm not a horror fan either, can't stand horror for horror's sake. Supernatural puts the the 'horror' in a believable context and it is always part of the story they are telling, not the story itself! That is what makes it 'acceptable' to me, and why the writing in this show is some of the best I've ever come across in all my years of TV watching.

I totally agree with that statement. They are very consistent when it comes to good writing on this show. It is almost like TPTB made some kind of Crossroads deal or something.:D

iolanda
August 29th, 2009, 11:34 PM
Same here, if somebody had told me half a year ago that I'd be diligently watching a horror show I would have thought they were mad. But even though I'm usually no fan of this genre, this show is too good to pass up. What I discovered pretty quickly is that if you get through the opening of an episode the worst is quite often over. It's almost as if they try to get the gore and the shocker out of the way so they can concentrate on the actual story. Of course it's still scary after that, but it's developed as a part of the plot in a way that makes it organic.

And yes, I also developed a certain resistance after a while. It's a real shame to think people are missing out on this excellent programming because they can't jump over their own shadow at first.

Same here. I have a friend who is drooling over this show for years, and I always was like "horror - nah, that's nothing for me" and I was busy catching up Stargate and SGA of course as well as Firefly, Farscape and, since last summer, Doctor Who and Torchwood. I was just full of shows which I really like, and then horror wasn't really that appealing.
But I was used to some horror elements 'cause I watched the X-Files when they aired and so it was OK when I finally started watching it. And now its the first show I watched twice in a row, because it just grabbed me and made me addicted ("addicted" only happened decades ago with Star Trek TNG and with SGA, when I started watching that on DVD). And I started with SPN because it was in my british amazon basket after a friend told me that the first three seasons were incredible cheap there at the end of last year, and when I pre-ordered Torchwoods CoE it was still there and I thought that SPN could be OK to span the time until there was something new elsewhere. And now I am here *g*

There was one thing which kept me away from SPN and that was my students. I had one class with some devout SPN fans in them, and having a Dean and Sam poster pinned between Zac Efron, Higschool Musical and Tokio Hotel gave me kinda wrong impression about the target audience for Supernatural.


Well said, and I totally agree about the 'incredible mix'. I'm not a horror fan either, can't stand horror for horror's sake. Supernatural puts the the 'horror' in a believable context and it is always part of the story they are telling, not the story itself! That is what makes it 'acceptable' to me, and why the writing in this show is some of the best I've ever come across in all my years of TV watching.

The writing is just incredible constantly good. There is nearly no episode which really sucks. I guess the monster truck and the ghost ship are the two ones on the bottom, and maybe Ghostfacers, but thats it. There is always something to love in an episode.

Krisz
August 30th, 2009, 09:49 PM
I totally agree with that statement. They are very consistent when it comes to good writing on this show. It is almost like TPTB made some kind of Crossroads deal or something.:D

LOL! Good one! You have to wonder!

Andron
August 31st, 2009, 04:39 AM
I totally agree with that statement. They are very consistent when it comes to good writing on this show. It is almost like TPTB made some kind of Crossroads deal or something.:D

So there will be 10 seasons at maximum, cause you normally get 10 years before the hell hounds are after you ;)

iolanda
August 31st, 2009, 04:59 AM
So there will be 10 seasons at maximum, cause you normally get 10 years before the hell hounds are after you ;)

Maybe that's the reason for Kripke to want to stop after 5 seasons? With that he has time to find a way to houdini himself out of the contract ;)

the fifth man
August 31st, 2009, 06:18 PM
So there will be 10 seasons at maximum, cause you normally get 10 years before the hell hounds are after you ;)

10 quality seasons of this great show? I could so live with that.:D

Andron
September 1st, 2009, 04:34 AM
10 quality seasons of this great show? I could so live with that.:D

So can I :jonas:
Ya, those crossroad demons are doing a good job ;)

the fifth man
September 3rd, 2009, 06:47 PM
So can I :jonas:
Ya, those crossroad demons are doing a good job ;)

Indeed they are. I hope they keep it up.:)

Colonel Rebel
September 15th, 2009, 12:21 PM
Two cool guys riding around in a Impala killing demons. That's just a great concept for a show :)

neverendingimagination
March 27th, 2013, 04:16 PM
I know this thread is years old but...

...it's pretty much the exact question I wanted to ask as an outsider to the show, so thanks for starting this thread iolanda. I was initially put off by a 3 minute clip (from the beginning of the current series) because of the heavy exposition involved. After reading this thread it seems many of you have a great respect for the quality of writing and the acting. I've been tempted to have a look at it (hence the 3 minute clip) due to the addition of Amanda Tapping as Naomi but I am still apprehensive.

I feel I should at least give the pilot a fair go - can't judge a book by its cover right? But I keep going back to how a 3 minute clip managed to recap 7 series worth of backstory. From comments and discussions about Supernatural I have gotten the impression its a bit gory, I enjoyed the Alien trilogy, SG1, SA, Doctor Who, Star Wars, X-Men but can't stand the idea of Saw or anything like that. Is Supernatural likely to appeal to me? Should I just watch series 8? Any fans out there willing to advise me?

The Urban Spaceman
March 28th, 2013, 02:40 AM
I advise you to start at season 1, watch it all right from the pilot, because picking up at season 8 just won't give the show the justice it deserves, and you won't 'get' all of the subtle and not-so-subtle nuances, as well as missing out on a hell of a lot of back-story. Skipping the earlier seasons would be like reading LOTR but just going straight to the last 100 pages of the book – you'll be left with the impression that something really big just happened, but you'll be kicking yourself for missing not only the 'big' event but the crescendo of smaller events leading up to it.

Although there is some gore, it's not in your face, and it's not in every episode. Some episodes don't have any gore at all. If I could liken the show to anything at all, it would be a cross between Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the X-Files, though I consider it less gory than Buffy. Some of the show's writers and producers are also big fans of Neil Gaiman, so there is sometimes a Gaiman-like feel to some of the episodes (particularly in season 5).

Oh, and don't bother watching 3-minute recaps. They'll miss out more than they put in and just spoil things for you.

neverendingimagination
March 28th, 2013, 10:29 AM
Thanks very much for the advice. I appreciate it :)

roque872002
March 28th, 2013, 11:29 AM
Thanks very much for the advice. I appreciate it :)

I recommend Supernatural to EVERYONE! It's amazing! And I agree with The Urban Spaceman, 3 minute recaps tell you nothing about the show really, the storyline is fantastic, you'll be hooked in no time. You'll fall in love with so many of the characters. And it definitely pulls at the heartstrings in places. You'll recognise a few faces too!

But seriously, give it a go :)

neverendingimagination
March 28th, 2013, 04:17 PM
I will, do, thanks guys.

*goes to find the pilot*