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December 14th, 2004, 09:00 PM
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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#0066BF"><B>MOEBIUS, PART 1</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 819</FONT>
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SG-1 travels back in time in a daring plan to steal a piece of Ancient technology from Ra, the powerful Goa'uld who ruled in ancient Egypt.

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The Boz
February 14th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Spoilers for Mobius:









This is just a thought, but wouldn't part 2 of mobius be the perfect opportunity to bring fdoc fraiser back? None of the spoilers I have read seem to suggest this. Kawalsky is there because if Earth didn't have accsess to the stargate he never would of got goulded. Same goes for fraiser she never would of gone on that mission and got shot. PTB you have a lot to answer to!

Avenger
February 14th, 2005, 03:07 PM
It would be possible to have her back. But then again, she might never have been assigned to Cheyenne Mountain.

Mr Prophet
February 14th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Should have. And would have.

The contractions could've and should've have so much to answer for.

major_flaming_toaster
February 14th, 2005, 04:30 PM
I totally agree with you. It would be a great way to bring her back.

Sela
February 15th, 2005, 10:42 AM
I think it would be great to bring Janet back for this episode. I really to miss the depth she would give to the episodes and the interactions within the SGC.

Wass
February 15th, 2005, 11:01 AM
I think it would be great to bring Janet back for this episode. I really to miss the depth she would give to the episodes and the interactions within the SGC.

I agree it was the perfect episode to bring her back.

dd78matt
February 15th, 2005, 11:27 AM
I agree, too, but the title should have the word "have" instead of the word "of".

Mr Prophet
February 15th, 2005, 11:37 AM
I agree, too, but the title should have the word "have" instead of the word "of".

Yes! Thank you. It's like I'm talking to myself sometimes.

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 12:00 PM
ok just finished watching moebius 1 so this is fresh as it gets!
the first 1/2 hour is great but 2nd half i found lacking.
1st bit i really liked with the deadaless explained and plans made.
jaffa armour is really sweet.
ok gtg atlantis is on!

ElanaM
February 15th, 2005, 12:07 PM
2nd half was just bizarre.

michelleb
February 15th, 2005, 12:09 PM
loved it, just loved it. a bit quiet, i know, but i reckon it'll be like reckoning..quiet this week to set up for the mother of all endings next week. loved nerdy sam and daniel...so funny..especially the 'reproductive organs' line. great to see mackay and hammond and davis and samuels again! and so far i am following the AU/Timeline plot with only a slight headache. (hoping i won't turn into that guy from scanners next week when it all gets really complicated). it was great how sam..our sam...was so much in charge, even telling o'neill what to do how to behave. i love it when she's in command. i'm anticipating the best end of season episode ever next week . (any chance of a nerdy teal'c? :D that'd be fun.)

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 12:10 PM
i know - i hope it isnt like that nxt week cos i didnt like it as the last in the series. i liked the deadaless being xplained and the 'message' but still creeped me out

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 12:10 PM
i know - i hope it isnt like that nxt week cos i didnt like it as the last in the series. i liked the deadaless being xplained and the 'message' but still creeped me out.

Get Carter
February 15th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Gotta agree with McKay about the whole librarian thing. hubba. And indeed hubba.

Loved it. Loved McKay not letting go of Sam's hand. Loved Jack's boat. Next week is gonna rule.

Replicarter
February 15th, 2005, 12:21 PM
Very disapointed with the past scenes, they should have spent less on reckoning so they could make the sets bigger, Rs's scene and sets just dident seem big enough, and wasent as cool as the movie, i know they dident have as much but i think it could have been better. And also the jaffa, they should have had ones like in the movie, and not just used the affa we have now, though im glad they had the effects for the head piece, where it folds in and out of the back, iv always loved that.

As for the alternate timeline, they seemed a little to thick and geeky, they may have sucky jobs, but they should still be more normal if you know what i mean, they just dident seem right.

Purple
February 15th, 2005, 12:23 PM
I don't know how to do the highlight to read thing however



Loved the name of Jack's ship "Homer". Question, was Jacks boat in the alternative timeline docked in Granville Island ? I was in Vancouver in July and I'm certain thats where those scenes were filmed

The alternative timeline thing is confusing, but how funny are AT and MS?? They are great in it, but I agree the second half, is lacking compared to the first half, cant wait to see the second episode next week, how are they going to wrap it all up in less than an hr is beyond me, its going to be a tight fit

caroline

Thor's Gunner
February 15th, 2005, 12:26 PM
I disagree, i thought that the first half was good but the second part was just too... weird, i didnt like it, hopefully the conclusion will make everything right though.

Galluslass
February 15th, 2005, 12:28 PM
Well, I thought it ROCKED!!

Loved,loved,loved nerdy Daniel and nerdy Sam - so funny.

Would love to expand for you hungry US folks, but the Mobeius thread isn't up yet (hopes someone listens and puts it up!!) and this post is only gonna get left unread and unloved.

Davis has a tash!! And Hammond - he's so serious and glum, but so nice to hear his voice again. Jack, hell, he just looks and sounds the same fcol!!

Takes alot to make me laugh, but gotta say, they nailed it for me this week. It'll be great next week. God, it's the last one. Can't believe it. :eek:

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 12:29 PM
i was kinda dissapointed over all, they should have left out the AU/ AT thing and just made it sg-1 going bak in time get caught , get out of it, we live happily ever after like they always do. this is good but we shoulda seen real sg1 more and left the AU til nxt week.

ElanaM
February 15th, 2005, 12:30 PM
Did not like the second half. Drs' Carter and Jackson were charicatures of their 'real' selves. Did not find it very humerous at all.

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 12:31 PM
Well, I thought it ROCKED!!

Loved,loved,loved nerdy Daniel and nerdy Sam - so funny.

Would love to expand for you hungry US folks, but the Mobeius thread isn't up yet (hopes someone listens and puts it up!!) and this post is only gonna get left unread and unloved.

Davis has a tash!! And Hammond - he's so serious and glum, but so nice to hear his voice again. Jack, hell, he just looks and sounds the same fcol!!

Takes alot to make me laugh, but gotta say, they nailed it for me this week. It'll be great next week. God, it's the last one. Can't believe it. :eek:
oi dont say my thread is gunna be forgotten its had over 10 replys is 15 minites

Egeria
February 15th, 2005, 12:44 PM
I thought this ep was hilarious. I was giggling so much at the alternate Sam that I'm going to have to watch this again because I missed alot. Not alot of action so I hope they're saving it up for part 2, can't have a series finale without lots of action can we? :)

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 12:46 PM
i agree and if we dont improve stuff with pt 2 i might just watch atlantis

Random
February 15th, 2005, 12:54 PM
'twas good but after reckoning and threads it was a bit of an anti climax. i found myself giggling at the 'nerdy' sam and daniel at the beginning but it grew a bit thin at the end and if next week is gonna be a continuation of that then it will be boring. :(

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 01:00 PM
Anyone wanna see screen capture of the daedalus? i taped it then took a photograph of it :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/Kenshi43/Daedalus.jpg

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 01:04 PM
gd boy - very nice

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 01:06 PM
any chance of getting a better angle of some enhancments of the text really would hlp the deadaless skimatics debate

SmilieMan
February 15th, 2005, 01:06 PM
Anyone wanna see screen capture of the daedalus? i taped it then took a photograph of it :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/Kenshi43/Daedalus.jpg
That looks like an asguard ship!!!

FirstPrimeofAnubis
February 15th, 2005, 01:07 PM
Loved McKay's t-shirt, saying Mr Fantastic. :D

What other little things did anyone notice

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 01:07 PM
Ill try but my video recorder is poop and when i try and video it it has lines across it so not very good picture

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 01:08 PM
That looks like an asguard ship!!!
No it looks like the prometheus but i can assure you its the daedalus

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 01:09 PM
she said it was based on asguard design with alot more asguard tech than the promethius, and !!!!! has new hyperdrive; not a crappy broken thing.

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 01:10 PM
The fact that he grabbed carters ass was pretyy funny. OH OH and O'neills boat was called Homer

Whistler
February 15th, 2005, 01:10 PM
It did seem a wee bit slow, but it was an excellent episode, and made me laugh, I have a feeling they did half the AU stuff this week so they can do more Egypt stuff next week, but time will tello. McKay and Samuels were great, and so was "Homer", and some neat hidden references.

And the Daedalus looks like the Prometheus with a cool back end, I'm waiting for the Letters from Pegasus ramifications to be put in though.

Keffler
February 15th, 2005, 01:11 PM
reckoning part 1 and 2, threads and moebius part 1 have all been amazing, really made up for the lack of goodness in season 8. Cant wait till next week.

and we saw wraith ships in Altantis :D

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 01:11 PM
has ure pc got video output - cos hook ure video up to that and enhance it digitally

Teal'c
February 15th, 2005, 01:11 PM
- Jack's boat is the Homer
- Sam hates the "Reproductive organs" line
- McKay loves lemon chicken
- Sam is afraid to step on a bug to change the timeline (just like in the Simpsons)
- Hammond's only a Brig. General like Jack

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 01:14 PM
reckoning part 1 and 2, threads and moebius part 1 have all been amazing, really made up for the lack of goodness in season 8. Cant wait till next week.

and we saw wraith ships in Altantis :D
we didnt see wraith ships in moebius that was in atlantis which i know cos i watched it straight after seting up this thread ( btw that was better than moebius pt1 for those of u in uk; in my opinion)
but bak to SG-1 i really hope nxt week is alot better cos i was dissapointed

Fox McCloud
February 15th, 2005, 01:14 PM
Was awesome when the gate was coming down.

Can only imagine what it mustve been like.

Hehe, rodney grabbed sams ass.

Crazedwraith
February 15th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Hmmm not what i was expecting not bad but not what I was expecting. I was thinking that this would be sorta of like Back ot the future II (only without the cool Delorean) SG-1 go back in time gets in to lots of fire fights and emerge victorious only come home to find the universe FUBARed (roll 'To be continued' and credits)

What we got was a slow episode who's mai features were:
*Nice parady of CotG (sam hates the organs line Jack tells Samuel to bugger off)

and..... (drum roll please)

Major Davis with a moustache :D Which made it all worth it.


Also I don't get some of the changes to the timeline: namely Hammond and Carter. The Stargate being discovered shouldn't have affect Carter descion to join the millitary or Hammod's rank. He was a two star general before the stargate project so he still should be in the altered timeline.

To summary this was a slow building episode for Part II rather than high octane adventure which I was expecting...

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 01:18 PM
has ure pc got video output - cos hook ure video up to that and enhance it digitally
No it hasnt :( but im getting a brand new pc for my self next month yay no sharing with my sis :D

Anubis
February 15th, 2005, 01:18 PM
Did anyone else think this episode just went a bit s -- l -- o -- w?

I'm certainly going to re-watch this episode again, as I'd like a second watch before I make my final call. Probably will be the exact same, but if part two is like this and slow, then I wouldn't think too much of the ending to this season. A LOT needs to happen, quickly in part two for everything to go in the direction it is meant to be heading. To impress me, the second part has to be a lot better. ;)


Did anyone else notice McKay touching AU Sam's butt? :D

Whistler
February 15th, 2005, 01:20 PM
Was awesome when the gate was coming down.

Can only imagine what it mustve been like.

Hehe, rodney grabbed sams ass.

Yeah that was funny, I'm looking forward to more Rodney in part 2. The gate coming down was definatly CGI, and so was the Puddle Jumper when it cloaked.

Teal'c
February 15th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Hmmm not what i was expecting not bad but not what I was expecting. I was thinking that this would be sorta of like Back ot the future II (only without the cool Delorean) SG-1 go back in time gets in to lots of fire fights and emerge victorious only come home to find the universe FUBARed (roll 'To be continued' and credits)

What we got was a slow episode who's mai features were:
*Nice parady of CotG (sam hates the organs line Jack tells Samuel to bugger off)

and..... (drum roll please)

Major Davis with a moustache :D Which made it all worth it.


Also I don't get some of the changes to the timeline: namely Hammond and Carter. The Stargate being discovered shouldn't have affect Carter descion to join the millitary or Hammod's rank. He was a two star general before the stargate project so he still should be in the altered timeline.

To summary this was a slow building episode for Part II rather than high octane adventure which I was expecting...
It makes it original though. SG-1 made every effort not to change the timeline, but everything got really, really screwed up anyway :P

Can't wait for next week :D

Teal'c
February 15th, 2005, 01:27 PM
and so was the Puddle Jumper when it cloaked.

Wait, you mean the Puddle Jumper they have in the Bridge doesn't cloak! Next you'll say it can't time travel! :rolleyes:

lucylou
February 15th, 2005, 01:27 PM
How funny was Amanda in this episode playing nerdy Sam! She was soooooo, so funny with all her facial expressions and fidgeting. Great acting from Amanda. She managed to make the alternate timeline Sam the same character but also totally different. She had me in stitches with every little expression and movement. So great!

Loved McKay too! Anyone notice his shirt which said Mr Fantastic or something lol.

Can't wait for next weeks episode!

Lucy x

the dancer of spaz
February 15th, 2005, 01:32 PM
OK, Dearies! :P You know the drill!

I'm dangling here and it's NOT pretty! :D Anyone of you Luckies willing to throw in a synopsis or two? That'd be awesome. Thanks! ;)


~Spazdncr

Fox McCloud
February 15th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Im guessing the moustache was a nod to Star Trek Alternate Reality hehe.

Wouldve been even better if when they cloaked the PJ, O'Neill said "Now everyone remember where we parked"

That sooooo wouldve fit.

Wass
February 15th, 2005, 01:35 PM
How funny was Amanda in this episode playing nerdy Sam! She was soooooo, so funny with all her facial expressions and fidgeting. Great acting from Amanda. She managed to make the alternate timeline Sam the same character but also totally different. She had me in stitches with every little expression and movement. So great!

Loved McKay too! Anyone notice his shirt which said Mr Fantastic or something lol.

Can't wait for next weeks episode!

Lucy x

Exactly what I was going to say she was brilliant I loved her acting it was hilarious.

Crazedwraith
February 15th, 2005, 01:35 PM
Im guessing the moustache was a nod to Star Trek Alternate Reality hehe.

Wouldve been even better if when they cloaked the PJ, O'Neill said "Now everyone remember where we parked"

That sooooo wouldve fit.
^ Didn't Shep already say that over on Atlantis? We peopel howling over how Shep is just O'Neill-lite I don't think TPTB would wnat to seem to similar...

Carole
February 15th, 2005, 01:38 PM
I liked this ep. A bit slow but I think next week will have more action. I liked the geek twins although I thought once or twice they went over the top. I bet AT and MS enjoyed the change. The exchange in the English class made me laugh.

Daniel: "Introduce yourself and talk about the weather"
Carlos: "I am Carlos and you make me hot"

Carlos, I know how you feel.

dipsofjazz
February 15th, 2005, 01:39 PM
How funny was Amanda in this episode playing nerdy Sam! She was soooooo, so funny with all her facial expressions and fidgeting. Great acting from Amanda. She managed to make the alternate timeline Sam the same character but also totally different. She had me in stitches with every little expression and movement. So great!

Loved McKay too! Anyone notice his shirt which said Mr Fantastic or something lol.

Can't wait for next weeks episode!

Exactly what I was going to say she was brilliant I loved her acting it was hilarious.
I was going to say this too. I thought AT was excellent in this episode. :D
I loved this ep and can't wait for next week.

Wass
February 15th, 2005, 01:39 PM
Did anyone else think this episode just went a bit s -- l -- o -- w?

I'm certainly going to re-watch this episode again, as I'd like a second watch before I make my final call. Probably will be the exact same, but if part two is like this and slow, then I wouldn't think too much of the ending to this season. A LOT needs to happen, quickly in part two for everything to go in the direction it is meant to be heading. To impress me, the second part has to be a lot better. ;)

Did anyone else notice McKay touching AU Sam's butt? :D

I agree it was a lot slow pace then I expected it be like I said in the other thread I expect part 2 to be a lot better. But the jokes/comedy made up for it for me it was really funny epsiode.

Keffler
February 15th, 2005, 01:41 PM
MS and AT in the Au were very shippery. Shippers will be all over that in a day i bet.

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 01:48 PM
oh dont worry there already on it - ive seen 2 or 3 threads at least on 'AU pairs'! really bugs me those shippers. could u add the pic of the deadaluss to the earth defence ships thread?

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 01:49 PM
[mod edit - see the thread at the top of the S8 folder]:)

Keffler
February 15th, 2005, 01:57 PM
me, immhotep and steam always seam to find each other on different threads

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 02:00 PM
we do dont we - i mean i made a thread and there five pages of just us 3 talking with like 2/3 interuptions!

samjack4ever
February 15th, 2005, 02:08 PM
OK… I’m going off memory here so I may be a little off…

Daniel gets word that Catherine Langford has died and at her funeral her niece (I think) gives Daniel the necklace from the movie and tells him that Catherine also left him some other stuff but she couldn’t bring it with her…

Back at the SGC Daniel discovers why she couldn’t bring the stuff with to the funeral as the stuff practically fills Daniel’s office… Jack makes a joke about Daniel shopping online…

Jack is in the briefing room debriefing the SGC team from Heroes (sorry can’t remember their number) and Jack is really really bored… In pops Daniel and tells him that he’s found something…

In Daniel’s lab he tells the rest of SG1 about a drawing he found of Ra showing a ZPM. Sam tells them that they have done and aerial survey but has found no energy signatures either it is depleted or its not there any more… Daniel suggests taking the ship and going back 5,000 years to get it… Sam doesn’t go for the idea but reckons it will be ok seeing as Ra didn’t know what a ZPM was…

SGC go back 5,000 and land the ship in the desert and cloak it. They go to a village where some people are going to offer some gifts to Ra. In Ra’s chambers Jack says that he could kill Ra now and not have to do it in 5,000 years time. Sam tells him that they can’t do that as it will alter the time line…

Teal’s dresses up a one of Ra’s Jaffa and takes the ZPM. SG1 head back to the ship only to discover it has been discovered…

Cut to:
Daniel with a really bad wig teaching English as a second language… He is interrupted by a fellow teacher who tells him he has visitors… Turns out to be Major Davis sporting a very fetching moustache (actually it makes him look like a 70’s porn star)

Cut to:
Sam is in an office wearing a nice pair of glasses apparently telling someone that they have stolen her research. The camera pans round only to find that there is no one there and she is rehearsing a conversation… Some guy (her boss) walks in and Sam shuts up. Major Davis + sexy moustache shows up here too and ask Sam to go with them…

Cut to:
Jack is on a boat where Samuels shows up… Samuels calls him Colonel and asks Jack to come with them… Basically Jack tells him to sod off and high tails it out of there on his boat

At the SGC Hammond comes in and asks them to sign none disclosure agreements Daniel is hesitant but Sam signs straight away… Daniel also signs…

Hammond shows them a video tape of SG1 stuck in the past… They explain about the mission, the Stargate and the ZPM… Hammond has no idea what the Stargate is and it is not buried where SG1 said it was…

Daniel transcribes a tablet that says Ra took the Stargate with him when he left Earth… He also discovers the location of the second Stargate but only tells Sam because he has a felling that they won’t be going on any missions… Sam tells him that they need someone on their side who has a bit of clout… They go to visit Jack but he says no again…

Back at the SGC they have discovered the time ship and while Sam and Daniel are inside McKay shows up. He takes a fancy to Sam. Sam wants to know if he has tried the symbols and McKay says they have but nothing….

Later on Sam has an idea about the Stargate… She tells Daniel that the symbols may not have had an effect here… Sam and Daniel and waiting in the briefing room for Hammond but Major Davis tells them that they should tell him and if he thinks it’s worth while he will take it to Hammond. Sam tells him that she checked out seismic activity in Antarctica when the where testing the symbols and she has located the second Stargate…

Sam and Daniel walk into the gate room and find the Stargate is being loading into place... Hammond tells Sam good work and that there is a plane waiting to take them home…

To Be Continued

No doubt there are loads I have missed but it gives you a rough idea of the ep… :)

Wass
February 15th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Guys could please not talk about downloads if you wish to discuss it do it through email or PM you could get Darren in a lot of trouble.

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 02:10 PM
oh sorry

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Oh sorry too

Ancients Rising
February 15th, 2005, 02:25 PM
A quick recap…

The episode starts with Sam explaining to Daniel and Teal’c that the Daedalus will be excellent and how they could all go to Pegasus, when Daniel gets a phone call…Catherine Langford is dead. Daniel goes to the funeral says a couple of words. As they finish up Catherine’s niece talks to Daniel (looked like a possible ship) and says Catherine wanted her to give him a necklace. She says there is more stuff to send him and asks for an address. Back at the SGC, Daniel walks up to Jack in a corridor, finds out Catherine’s niece sent her whole collection to him.

New scene in the briefing room with some scientist dude telling Jack about rock discoveries, Daniel rushes in and says important news. They found a ZPM. The ZPM was held by Ra, it’s pictured in a book which had a copied inscription from Giza, the book was Catherine’s. SG-1 debates it and Daniel convinces them to go.

They use Janus’s time ship to go back 5000 years; they know it has worked because the stars are different. They park the ship in a bit of desert not to dissimilar to SGA’s The Defiant One and head off to meet the locals in Giza. They find out that there will be an offering at Ra’s temple tomorrow and they must wait. Jack has a great line when he asks Daniel what the locals said:

“More importantly, did you ask them what’s for dinner?”

In the temple they see Ra come in with two beautiful slaves next to him. He is disappointed with the offerings by the locals and his Jaffa kill one local. Jack says to Sam that he wants to kill Ra now so he won’t have to 5000 years later. She gives him the timeline speech.

After the offering is finished SG-1 stay behind, they zat a Horace Jaffa. Teal’c dons the Jaffa’s gear; cool headgear scene from movie replicated. He goes to find the ZPM which should be in the treasure room. Teal’c finds it and brings it back. Then they all go back to Janus’s time-jumper which they parked. Calamity. Ra’s Jaffa have found it…well not quite….there was a sandstorm last night and it’s got sand over it. The guards seeing sand floating in mid-air are surrounding the cloaked ship. Sam tells Jack they can’t do anything. They have to wait for the uprising on Earth to get the ship back. Daniel says he can almost guarantee the ZPM is found by putting it in a tomb that was recently (present day) discovered in the area before they left present day.

New Timeline

Cut to nerdy Daniel teaching English to immigrants. Great scene where he asks them to introduce themselves and say what the weather is like to which a guy stands up and says

“Hi I’m Carlos and you make me so hot”

Daniel is called outside. Major Davis is there, moustache and everything. Says he is needed for a matter of national security.

Cut to nerdy Carter at an aerospace facility/office where she is practicing her lines for an argument. Something about reproductive organs in the inside and the like…her boss walks in, asks her if she was talking to herself. Then Davis appears again, boss thinks it’s for him but it’s for Sam. Shocked.

Cut to Jack, acting like a tramp on a boat, called Homer. This time it’s Samuels as the messenger. Jack dismisses him.

Cut to SGC, Daniel meets Sam. They exchange pleasantries…awkward. Hammond comes in, makes them sign non-disclosure agreements. Says they found a camcorder along with other bits and bobs in a tomb. They play the tape, it’s our Daniel. They explain the whole SG-1 going back in time thing, tell them about the Stargate about their roles and what they have to do and about the ZPM. Carter is on it too, as is Jack although he is forced to say some words; usual dense stuff from him, which is funny.

Hammond tells nerdy Daniel that they couldn’t find the Giza gate, and they found a tablet that could give them clues as to where it is. He asks Daniel to translate it.

--My memory is waning at this point--

Cut’s to Daniel viewing the tape again, Hammond walks in as it finishes. Daniel asks him if they found the ZPM, he says they have it. Hammond asks how the translation is going. Daniel asks if they can be part of the expedition…

Cut to Carter and Jackson in mess hall, Daniel asks Sam what she thinks about this. She starts blabbing about time travel, he says what he meant was what does she think about this whole alternate selves business. They talk about the military locking them out; Hammond told Daniel they will be.

Cuts to Davis showing them both Janus’s time-jumper, they found it near the tomb. They walk inside, amazed, the usual. They see the DHD, Daniel and Carter say we should dial it, Daniel goes to dial and someone shouts “No, don’t touch anything” it’s McKay. Excellent. He critiques their qualifications and asks why they are here to which Sam replies “We’re on the tape”. Then McKay says Sam is doing some sort of sexy librarian thing, takes her away trying pat her on the bum to which she slaps his hand away.

Cuts to Daniel walking down Corridor. Sam meets him, asks him if McKay is behind her, he isn’t. They talk about needing leverage in the military. Daniel knows where the other gate is: Antarctica

They go see Jack. He makes them pay $150/hr to see him (cost of renting boat, but they don’t go anywhere) They tell him about the whole SG-1 deal. He laughs them off.

Back at SGC, Carter tells Daniel that when they dial the DHD on the jumper the gate doesn’t open here but it should have opened in Antarctica. They sit in the briefing and try to get Davis to bring them Hammond. He says if its important Hammond will come. They tell Davis about Carter’s theory and she has proof with seismic readings from Antarctica.

They bring the gate to the SGC. Carter and Daniel walk in, Hammond thanks them. They ask that they should be in the expedition to go through. Hammond tells them they have no training and a team is already being assigned.

To be continued.

JackDaniels
February 15th, 2005, 02:25 PM
Summary of Moebius Pt1

sam, Daniel and Teal'c in Sam's lab discussing the Daedelus ship, which is currently being tested, and is a far superior ship to the Prometheus. In addition, with Teal'c obligatory 'Indeed' they sum up the next season - the Jaffa armies are doing well and most of the system lords have lost of their power and the replicators are gone from this galaxy.

From this, we'll start off with Daniel learning of the death of Catherine Langford. At her funeral, Daniel meets her niece (who clearly fancies him, and likens him to Indiana Jones (though he mentions that he left his whip at home!)) and she tells him that catherine left him a lot of her artefacts and research. He comes to work the next day to find his entire office has been filled with things. Daniel quickly gets to work on searching through this stuff and interrupts Jack telling him that he found a ZPM. A book called the Eye of the Sun showed a picture of 'The Heart of Light' aka a ZPM. They search the area at Giza looking for the ZPM but can't find it, but as Teal'c points out, Ra could have simply taken the device with him. However, Daniel has an idea - they know that the ZPM was in Egypt in 3000 b.c. and they could go back and get it, as no Goa'uld has ever truly known what the device was or ever used it. However, the scientists at Area 51 have barely been able to fly the ship even slightly. However, they know Jack can and believe his 'exceptional ability to use Ancient Technology' may be of use.

It is and they get the ship to work and use the ship to travel back in time. They arrive and land on earth (3000 b.c.) Daniel brings along his camera to prove that the Ancient pyramids were here first and Sam reminds them that they need to have minimal interaction. Daniel talks to some locals and finds out that there is an offering at Ra's temple tomorrow which will allow them to infiltrate the temple, which they do. One of the people they have met is killed by Ra and Sam has to stop jack from pulling out his gun and shooting Ra, even though he know's he'll do it in 5000 years time. They zat one of Ra's guards and Teal'c goes and retrieves the ZPM. However, there was a sandstorm during the night and sand has settled over the cloaked ship, and the jaffa are aware of it. This means they can't get back to the ship without a major fire fight, so they plan to leave a message and the ZPM somewhere they know people in the future will find it so if they find the ZPM at a point just before they tried to undertake this mission then their future selves won't have had to go back in time in the first place. So they set about their lives of not changing anything.

But they have changed the future just by being there - Daniel is now a teacher of English as a foreign language, Sam is an astrophysicist who checks other people's work for them, and jack owns a boat called Homer and charges people $150 an hour to rent it. Major's Davis and Samuels have been sent out to bring in the three of them because the videocamera was discovered in a canopic jar. Jack refuses to come in, but Daniel and Sam quickly agree to sign the non disclosure pacts (cos their lives suck) and are shown the video of SG-1. The tape details everything about the stargate (in case it hasn't been discovered) and some recent day events to prove their authenticity - none of which is now true) Daniel sets about translating a tablet they found (which appears to have been written by Daniel as he points out that its a dialect that fits most of his research). He discovers that there is another gate in Antarctica but they don't know exactly where. While watching the tape, he also finds out that Daniel (mark 1) fails to describe what the ZPM does before the battery runs out. Sam worries that they are going to be cast aside as soon as they help the military, and Daniel certainly doesn't want to go back to his old life, so they go to find Jack, to see if they can get him to help them. He won't and makes them pay to sit on his rather grubby boat ('Homer') and tell him that they are in an alternate timeline and in the real world they travel throughout the galaxy and save the world (a lot). He doesn't believe them and sends them packing!

At this point Hammond shows them the time ship, and they're introduced to Rodney McKay (who again hits on Sam, and touches her ass) and he tells them that they've tried dialling the co-ordinates left on the tape by Daniel but nothing has happened. But Sam checks for seismic activity and finds the second gate in Antarctica.

At the end we see the gate being lowered into the base and Sam and Daniel ask to be put on the team that is being assembled to go through on the basis that they are on the video, but Hammond denies their request on the grounds that they don't have the proper training.


And that's it. Part two next week, can't wait, thought it was great and laughed so much in the second part. I know other people have said it was quite slow but I didn't pick up on this at all, I thought it had a good pace and I was sitting for a great part of it thinking about how much was changed without the discovery of the stargate. Below are a few of my fav bits:

* Daniel at Catherine's memorial - his speech was really nice, but also lent itself to the episode - "he didn't know where he would be now if he hadn't met her, and becuase she never discovered the stargate with her father in Giza, she never found daniel to help translate the cartouche etc.

* The guy in Daniel's class "My name is Carlos, you make me so hot!" - that was just too funny.

* Sam and her reproductive organs speech. If you've seen any interviews, you know AT hated that line and the fact that she called it stupid and added "who talks like that?" was another little send up that almost could have been used in Citizen Joe

* Rodney McKay - oh how I love that man! He was just so funny and still his obnoxious self. Though I loved having him there, i couldn't help but think that we would have no Atlantis if there was no stargate. Ohh! When he was chatting up Sam and touching her ass it was just so funny.

* That Jack's boat was called Homer

* That Jack thought Daniel and Sam were a couple, largely due to their 'library chic' clothing, and scarily similar glasses.

* The looks on Sam and Daniel's faces when the real Daniel comes onto the screen and tells that they travelled back in time and tells them what they normally do. It was also nice to note that although different that they were still largely the same Daniel - a naive dreamer, Sam - cynical realist.

Ohh there is so much more that I could say and I have no doubt that the second part will be great. I know people may have found the first part slow but they had to set up this background to make the second bit work, and I think it's nice (considering they thought this was the last season) to remark upon how different things could have been.

Sure I'll add something else later, but hey ho that's al for now!

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 02:28 PM
OMG i am amazing lol i just redraw the daedalus from the screen cap in paint shop pro not bad even if i do say so my self

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/Kenshi43/Daedalus2.jpg

Now i havnt finished it fully but it gives a good impression of what it looks like (7 mins to draw :D )

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 02:29 PM
this may be a huge spoiler for several season and for both shows but * u know a the begining daniel mentioned sg-1 onboard the daedalus; that may be the reason they come up with to explain tapping not appearing in the first few eps on series 9, also be a good cross over( carter having to go to atlantis) anyway that whole different issue, although its daniel who really want to go. wait hes doing the whole vala arc thing so that would be his exscuse for not going ( give him a chance to moan alot aswell)*

anyway soz for interupting but came in to my head and had to get it down; it is mildly connected to moebius though. soz also about the really crap english, but uve probley got used to it by now!

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 02:30 PM
OMG i am amazing lol i just redraw the daedalus from the screen cap in paint shop pro not bad even if i do say so my self

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/Kenshi43/Daedalus2.jpg

Now i havnt finished it fully but it gives a good impression of what it looks like (7 mins to draw :D )
sweet! put it on the ship thread- my one u know

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 02:33 PM
can we not have any summery's we know what its about, jsut discuss/ review the episode not give a rendown of everything ( plot are tooooooo long)

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 02:35 PM
Oh ya lol

mancslad08
February 15th, 2005, 02:49 PM
God this topic is getting a bit tedious...

Anyway, it was an alright episode. First half was good. Second half wasn't. Too S.....L.....O.....W and bizarre. Did we really have to hear all about the stargate program AGAIN?? And why exactly would Sam and Daniel be so affected just because they didn't discover the Stargate? Just an excuse to get them to act 'goofy' if you ask me

I did love the CG of the Puddle Jumper travelling back in time. VERY VERY nicely done. Subtle but exactly how it should be. Interesting to see Sam call it a 'jumper' as well.

8/10 for first half
3/10 for second half

Oh and AU Jack was even more of an idiot that regular season 7-8 Jack.

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 02:50 PM
i think its carrying on mainly for the daedalus topic realy

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 02:54 PM
ok how do get a pic in to a post? reallly stuck!

WormholeAlien
February 15th, 2005, 02:58 PM
******* SPOILERS * SPOILERS * SPOILERS *******
Mobius part 1 as summarised by the WormholeAlien.


Here goes a factual (give or take), somewhat non entertaining account of the episode. there may be a few inaccuracies here, but I'm sure there are more than a few people here that can correct them. Also bare with me, I am not a writer.

I'll devide this into two parts for reasons that will become obvious once you read it...


Part One:
==========


The episode starts with daniel and sam talking about a new ship that earth has. It is called the daedelus (as all except spoiler haters know). They mentioned that this ship should allow all of them to go to atlantis, especially with the main threats here eliminated.

Daniel gets a phone while they are talking, catherin langford has passed away. He goes to the funeral and does the eulogy. catherines niece (I think) gives him the eye of ra amulet cath gave him in the movie, and says there's more things that catherine left for him and asks for an address to send the stuff. (some shipper fodder here)

back in the sgc, jack asks daniel if he's been shopping online or something pointing to the whole heap of stuff from catherine. Daniel says it must've been the whole collection, Jack in true jack style says he'd prefer collecting stamps.

Next we one of the base scientists showing all the interesting rocks (from the collection?) to jack, while jack is totally bored. Daniel interrupts to jack's delight. They found a reference to a ZPM in a book called "The eye of the sun" in cathy's stuff. They scanned the usual dig sites but found nothing. danny says they know where it was 5000 years ago and suggests they go back in time to knapp it. Sam has reservations but agrees.

They show the the pj in earth's orbit with SG1 in it. Daniel's telling jack to concentrate on 3000BC, Jack says the ship is ancient how would it know "BC"? they show the ship from outside with some sorta energy wave eminating from it. They try radio comms with sgc, but there is nothing. So they think the jump was successful and land in egypt.

They cloak the ship and go to the local people. Danny talks to a couple of guys and finds out they're going to see RA the following day bearing gifts. SG-1 tag along. They show a typical jaffa (human?) with RA's emblem on his forehead utters something. RA comes out wearing a dissapointing costume but accompanied by two hot chix. So I'll let him off this time. But Ra isn't happy with what the villagers brought him, so he kills a guy and goes back. Jack wnated to stop him saying if we kill him now we won't have to in 5000 years. but sam tells him not to.

every one leaves, SG-1 hides behind a pillar against the wall. RA's guards take the gifts away (boy these guys are trusting, they don't even check to make sure everyone's left :S ).

One of Ra's guard wearing really cool armour struts by and gets zatted by SG-1. t'ilk takes his armour (I would too!) and goes to get the ZPM. Minutes later he returns with the ZPM and they go back to the ship to see a lot of sand on the cloaked ship and lots of guards surrounding it. again Jack wants to kill them and get the ship, while sam says that wouldn't be wise. She says they know there will be an uprising may be they should just wait for it. Daniel says that could be years away and suggests they plant the ZPM somewhere where their future counterparts will find it and they won't have to go back in time in the first place.






Part Two:
==========

We cut to an alternate version of daniel teaching english to a adult class, where he tells them that it is easy to strike a conversion about the weather, so introduce yourself and says something about the weather. So, one of the guys stands up and says something along the lines of "My name is ....... and you make me hot." :) Some one interrupts and tells danny that some people from the airforce are here to see him.

We then see an alternate sam contemplating on things to her boss who it seems is taking credit for her work. Some airforce folk come and ask to talk to sam. Airforce guys also go to get jack, but he's not interested. (His boat is called "homer" tough. :) )

Sam and Danny meet in the SGC, neither knows what this is all about. They then meet with General Hammond. After they sign some NDA's they are told that in a recent dig in egypt they found some artifacts and a camcorder of which the technology seem to be a little different (who 0wns the camcorder market in that reality? betamax guys?). after managing to get the batteries charged this is what they found. They then show the message from the normal daniel and sam saying that their part of a team that goes around the galaxy saving earth from alien invasion though a device called the stargate. They tell them there should be a gate in egypt and also say a lot of things to establish how much change they may have caused, amongst those is a mention of president henry hayes. In this reality the president is kinsey who wasn't amused by that. They tell jack that he should be on the video too, so jack comes on and reluctantly says something about american football being played on sat and sunday and that he's lake has no fish. They also say the future guys will have to go and find the gate, find te'alc etc. Hammond says they couldn't find a gate in egypt. But later daniel finds reference to a second gate in antarctica.

The alternate daniel and sam go to the cafeteria and discuss what they've just seen. Daniel makes a remark that he won't let either of them be kicked out of this project (more fodder for the shippers...). They wanna be like the video sam and danny and think the military won't let them go through the stargate. They think getting jack might change that. They go to get jack, jack doesn't budge.

They come back to SGC and are taken to see the pj that normal SG-1 left in egypt. They're all excited, danny figures the buttons on the centre console in the cockpit must dial the gate. He's about to give it a try and McKay shows up yelling "don't touch anything." He's as arrogant as he was in his first appearance of the series. He takes a liking to sam but shows contempt towards daniel. McKay grabs sam's bottom and takes her to lunch. She ditches ditches him, finds daniel and tells him she has a theory. (She appears to have more theories than the entire cast of startrek put together. ;) )

She goes through the siesmic activity log of antarctica and matches them with the dialing attempts from the pj. They call for Gen. Hammond, but Major Davis says he want sto hear them out to see if it was important enough. AFter hearing them out he immediately goes to hammond.

They show the gate being placed into the SGC. Hammond thanks danny and sam for their contribution and says a plane will take them back to their homes. They say they wanna go on missions, but hammond says they don't have the training.


and it ends there.



bloody hell that took long! :eek: appreciate me god dammit! :D

FirstPrimeofAnubis
February 15th, 2005, 02:58 PM
OK… I’m going off memory here so I may be a little off…

Daniel gets word that Catherine Langford has died and at her funeral her niece (I think) gives Daniel the necklace from the movie and tells him that Catherine also left him some other stuff but she couldn’t bring it with her…

Back at the SGC Daniel discovers why she couldn’t bring the stuff with to the funeral as the stuff practically fills Daniel’s office… Jack makes a joke about Daniel shopping online…

Jack is in the briefing room debriefing the SGC team from Heroes (sorry can’t remember their number) and Jack is really really bored… In pops Daniel and tells him that he’s found something…

In Daniel’s lab he tells the rest of SG1 about a drawing he found of Ra showing a ZPM. Sam tells them that they have done and aerial survey but has found no energy signatures either it is depleted or its not there any more… Daniel suggests taking the ship and going back 5,000 years to get it… Sam doesn’t go for the idea but reckons it will be ok seeing as Ra didn’t know what a ZPM was…

SGC go back 5,000 and land the ship in the desert and cloak it. They go to a village where some people are going to offer some gifts to Ra. In Ra’s chambers Jack says that he could kill Ra now and not have to do it in 5,000 years time. Sam tells him that they can’t do that as it will alter the time line…

Teal’s dresses up a one of Ra’s Jaffa and takes the ZPM. SG1 head back to the ship only to discover it has been discovered…

Cut to:
Daniel with a really bad wig teaching English as a second language… He is interrupted by a fellow teacher who tells him he has visitors… Turns out to be Major Davis sporting a very fetching moustache (actually it makes him look like a 70’s porn star)

Cut to:
Sam is in an office wearing a nice pair of glasses apparently telling someone that they have stolen her research. The camera pans round only to find that there is no one there and she is rehearsing a conversation… Some guy (her boss) walks in and Sam shuts up. Major Davis + sexy moustache shows up here too and ask Sam to go with them…

Cut to:
Jack is on a boat where Samuels shows up… Samuels calls him Colonel and asks Jack to come with them… Basically Jack tells him to sod off and high tails it out of there on his boat

At the SGC Hammond comes in and asks them to sign none disclosure agreements Daniel is hesitant but Sam signs straight away… Daniel also signs…

Hammond shows them a video tape of SG1 stuck in the past… They explain about the mission, the Stargate and the ZPM… Hammond has no idea what the Stargate is and it is not buried where SG1 said it was…

Daniel transcribes a tablet that says Ra took the Stargate with him when he left Earth… He also discovers the location of the second Stargate but only tells Sam because he has a felling that they won’t be going on any missions… Sam tells him that they need someone on their side who has a bit of clout… They go to visit Jack but he says no again…

Back at the SGC they have discovered the time ship and while Sam and Daniel are inside McKay shows up. He takes a fancy to Sam. Sam wants to know if he has tried the symbols and McKay says they have but nothing….

Later on Sam has an idea about the Stargate… She tells Daniel that the symbols may not have had an effect here… Sam and Daniel and waiting in the briefing room for Hammond but Major Davis tells them that they should tell him and if he thinks it’s worth while he will take it to Hammond. Sam tells him that she checked out seismic activity in Antarctica when the where testing the symbols and she has located the second Stargate…

Sam and Daniel walk into the gate room and find the Stargate is being loading into place... Hammond tells Sam good work and that there is a plane waiting to take them home…

To Be Continued

No doubt there are loads I have missed but it gives you a rough idea of the ep… :)

He was from SG13

WormholeAlien
February 15th, 2005, 02:59 PM
dayam! 3 summaries before me!


All on all, I liked this episodes. I felt Mobius Part 1 was done as sort of a calm before the storm episode. Part 2 should bring us a hurricane or two....

It was quite funny, abit slow in some parts but strangely rushed in places too.

FirstPrimeofAnubis
February 15th, 2005, 03:00 PM
OK… I’m going off memory here so I may be a little off…

Daniel gets word that Catherine Langford has died and at her funeral her niece (I think) gives Daniel the necklace from the movie and tells him that Catherine also left him some other stuff but she couldn’t bring it with her…

Back at the SGC Daniel discovers why she couldn’t bring the stuff with to the funeral as the stuff practically fills Daniel’s office… Jack makes a joke about Daniel shopping online…

Jack is in the briefing room debriefing the SGC team from Heroes (sorry can’t remember their number) and Jack is really really bored… In pops Daniel and tells him that he’s found something…

In Daniel’s lab he tells the rest of SG1 about a drawing he found of Ra showing a ZPM. Sam tells them that they have done and aerial survey but has found no energy signatures either it is depleted or its not there any more… Daniel suggests taking the ship and going back 5,000 years to get it… Sam doesn’t go for the idea but reckons it will be ok seeing as Ra didn’t know what a ZPM was…

SGC go back 5,000 and land the ship in the desert and cloak it. They go to a village where some people are going to offer some gifts to Ra. In Ra’s chambers Jack says that he could kill Ra now and not have to do it in 5,000 years time. Sam tells him that they can’t do that as it will alter the time line…

Teal’s dresses up a one of Ra’s Jaffa and takes the ZPM. SG1 head back to the ship only to discover it has been discovered…

Cut to:
Daniel with a really bad wig teaching English as a second language… He is interrupted by a fellow teacher who tells him he has visitors… Turns out to be Major Davis sporting a very fetching moustache (actually it makes him look like a 70’s porn star)

Cut to:
Sam is in an office wearing a nice pair of glasses apparently telling someone that they have stolen her research. The camera pans round only to find that there is no one there and she is rehearsing a conversation… Some guy (her boss) walks in and Sam shuts up. Major Davis + sexy moustache shows up here too and ask Sam to go with them…

Cut to:
Jack is on a boat where Samuels shows up… Samuels calls him Colonel and asks Jack to come with them… Basically Jack tells him to sod off and high tails it out of there on his boat

At the SGC Hammond comes in and asks them to sign none disclosure agreements Daniel is hesitant but Sam signs straight away… Daniel also signs…

Hammond shows them a video tape of SG1 stuck in the past… They explain about the mission, the Stargate and the ZPM… Hammond has no idea what the Stargate is and it is not buried where SG1 said it was…

Daniel transcribes a tablet that says Ra took the Stargate with him when he left Earth… He also discovers the location of the second Stargate but only tells Sam because he has a felling that they won’t be going on any missions… Sam tells him that they need someone on their side who has a bit of clout… They go to visit Jack but he says no again…

Back at the SGC they have discovered the time ship and while Sam and Daniel are inside McKay shows up. He takes a fancy to Sam. Sam wants to know if he has tried the symbols and McKay says they have but nothing….

Later on Sam has an idea about the Stargate… She tells Daniel that the symbols may not have had an effect here… Sam and Daniel and waiting in the briefing room for Hammond but Major Davis tells them that they should tell him and if he thinks it’s worth while he will take it to Hammond. Sam tells him that she checked out seismic activity in Antarctica when the where testing the symbols and she has located the second Stargate…

Sam and Daniel walk into the gate room and find the Stargate is being loading into place... Hammond tells Sam good work and that there is a plane waiting to take them home…

To Be Continued

No doubt there are loads I have missed but it gives you a rough idea of the ep… :)

He was from SG13... unlucky for Janet :(

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 03:00 PM
did nobdy read the message NO more plots, PLEASE!

WormholeAlien
February 15th, 2005, 03:06 PM
did nobdy read the message NO more plots, PLEASE!

Sorry, it's a bit hard to find amongst all these plots :p

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 03:07 PM
yes guys it does get kinda annoying + people seem to find it so fun to quote the entire D*** plots, why, why would you quote all of the plots :(

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 03:08 PM
then read the whole thread and then post!

immhotep
February 15th, 2005, 03:10 PM
oh steam i did have an enhanced photo of the deadalus but the file was too large; jsut go on paint highlight all the ship cut and paste on to new thing and invert the colours.

FirstPrimeofAnubis
February 15th, 2005, 03:17 PM
OK… I’m going off memory here so I may be a little off…

Daniel gets word that Catherine Langford has died and at her funeral her niece (I think) gives Daniel the necklace from the movie and tells him that Catherine also left him some other stuff but she couldn’t bring it with her…

Back at the SGC Daniel discovers why she couldn’t bring the stuff with to the funeral as the stuff practically fills Daniel’s office… Jack makes a joke about Daniel shopping online…

Jack is in the briefing room debriefing the SGC team from Heroes (sorry can’t remember their number) and Jack is really really bored… In pops Daniel and tells him that he’s found something…

In Daniel’s lab he tells the rest of SG1 about a drawing he found of Ra showing a ZPM. Sam tells them that they have done and aerial survey but has found no energy signatures either it is depleted or its not there any more… Daniel suggests taking the ship and going back 5,000 years to get it… Sam doesn’t go for the idea but reckons it will be ok seeing as Ra didn’t know what a ZPM was…

SGC go back 5,000 and land the ship in the desert and cloak it. They go to a village where some people are going to offer some gifts to Ra. In Ra’s chambers Jack says that he could kill Ra now and not have to do it in 5,000 years time. Sam tells him that they can’t do that as it will alter the time line…

Teal’s dresses up a one of Ra’s Jaffa and takes the ZPM. SG1 head back to the ship only to discover it has been discovered…

Cut to:
Daniel with a really bad wig teaching English as a second language… He is interrupted by a fellow teacher who tells him he has visitors… Turns out to be Major Davis sporting a very fetching moustache (actually it makes him look like a 70’s porn star)

Cut to:
Sam is in an office wearing a nice pair of glasses apparently telling someone that they have stolen her research. The camera pans round only to find that there is no one there and she is rehearsing a conversation… Some guy (her boss) walks in and Sam shuts up. Major Davis + sexy moustache shows up here too and ask Sam to go with them…

Cut to:
Jack is on a boat where Samuels shows up… Samuels calls him Colonel and asks Jack to come with them… Basically Jack tells him to sod off and high tails it out of there on his boat

At the SGC Hammond comes in and asks them to sign none disclosure agreements Daniel is hesitant but Sam signs straight away… Daniel also signs…

Hammond shows them a video tape of SG1 stuck in the past… They explain about the mission, the Stargate and the ZPM… Hammond has no idea what the Stargate is and it is not buried where SG1 said it was…

Daniel transcribes a tablet that says Ra took the Stargate with him when he left Earth… He also discovers the location of the second Stargate but only tells Sam because he has a felling that they won’t be going on any missions… Sam tells him that they need someone on their side who has a bit of clout… They go to visit Jack but he says no again…

Back at the SGC they have discovered the time ship and while Sam and Daniel are inside McKay shows up. He takes a fancy to Sam. Sam wants to know if he has tried the symbols and McKay says they have but nothing….

Later on Sam has an idea about the Stargate… She tells Daniel that the symbols may not have had an effect here… Sam and Daniel and waiting in the briefing room for Hammond but Major Davis tells them that they should tell him and if he thinks it’s worth while he will take it to Hammond. Sam tells him that she checked out seismic activity in Antarctica when the where testing the symbols and she has located the second Stargate…

Sam and Daniel walk into the gate room and find the Stargate is being loading into place... Hammond tells Sam good work and that there is a plane waiting to take them home…

To Be Continued

No doubt there are loads I have missed but it gives you a rough idea of the ep… :)


It was SG13 (unlucky for Janet) :(

WormholeAlien
February 15th, 2005, 03:19 PM
yes guys it does get kinda annoying + people seem to find it so fun to quote the entire D*** plots, why, why would you quote all of the plots :(


Yeah! that's the problem rather than the plot posts themselves. Although there is no need for any more plots. There weren't any when I started, just took a bit long that's all.

Taonas
February 15th, 2005, 03:28 PM
I just have one question, but how the hell are the going to fix this especially since Daniel is the ONLY surviving team member in ancient Egypt, are they going to use the alternates?

If anyone has any theories, please tell me.

Madeleine
February 15th, 2005, 03:37 PM
I liked this one. MS was great, very traceable to James Spader once more. AT was splendidly distinct from 'our' Sam in her Alt Sam persona, a really good acting job. The two of them worked really well as a double act. It was nice to see them building up their friendship 'again'.

the dancer of spaz
February 15th, 2005, 03:41 PM
did nobdy read the message NO more plots, PLEASE!


DUDE, I asked for them OK? There are some people from the US (like moi) who want to know what the heck happened. Most likely people read a few posts from the beginning of the thread and just started their own summary. It's not that big of a deal, I don't think. :)

Madeleine
February 15th, 2005, 03:53 PM
I *saw* the ep, and I enjoyed reading the summaries. It's nice to have an aide memoire when you've only seen it once :)

Matt G
February 15th, 2005, 03:59 PM
OK...

1. This is beter than Threads but Reckoning still whacks it.

2. Time travel is generally a cool thing, but I didn't expect so long to be spent in the AU present day in part 1. I was just expecting a 5 minute set up to show some changes and then 15 mins in part 2 to set up the journey back in time.

3. Nitpicks on the AU: Hammod being a one-star is a good spot. However the bigger thing for me is that in the regular SG universe, Hammond and Jacob are/were mates, and therefore Hammond knew of Sam already. AU Hammond did not know AU Sam. Huh? Forget Sam not being in the military, what would have caused Jacob and Hammond to not know each other?

4. It's pretty much a dead cert that 9/11 is part of the SG universe as Sheppard is a vet of the Afghan conflict that resulted from that attack. Daniel mentions the fall of Communism yet 9/11 has IMO done more to shape the present day than they fall of Communism. So historicially, why leave that out?

Overall, decent but I'm banking on part 2 being better.

Frostfox
February 15th, 2005, 04:03 PM
dayam! 3 summaries before me!


All on all, I liked this episodes. I felt Mobius Part 1 was done as sort of a calm before the storm episode. Part 2 should bring us a hurricane or two....

It was quite funny, abit slow in some parts but strangely rushed in places too.

Don't worry about it, we just appreciate you all taking the time and trouble to type all that out for us.

Foxy.

the dancer of spaz
February 15th, 2005, 04:16 PM
OK...

1. This is beter than Threads but Reckoning still whacks it.

2. Time travel is generally a cool thing, but I didn't expect so long to be spent in the AU present day in part 1. I was just expecting a 5 minute set up to show some changes and then 15 mins in part 2 to set up the journey back in time.

3. Nitpicks on the AU: Hammod being a one-star is a good spot. However the bigger thing for me is that in the regular SG universe, Hammond and Jacob are/were mates, and therefore Hammond knew of Sam already. AU Hammond did not know AU Sam. Huh? Forget Sam not being in the military, what would have caused Jacob and Hammond to not know each other?

4. It's pretty much a dead cert that 9/11 is part of the SG universe as Sheppard is a vet of the Afghan conflict that resulted from that attack. Daniel mentions the fall of Communism yet 9/11 has IMO done more to shape the present day than they fall of Communism. So historicially, why leave that out?

Overall, decent but I'm banking on part 2 being better.

I don't think it's possible for them to address ALL of the REASONS for ALL of the differences between each timeline. They would have to devote a two-parter JUST to that! :) I mean, the explanations/background stories are ancillary. All we need to know for the here and now is that things changed and they've led to BLAH. ;)

Osiris
February 15th, 2005, 04:30 PM
I have a very important question... Do we get to see the Giza pyramids with possibly the stargate at its original place? :D

SGTLopez
February 15th, 2005, 04:41 PM
OK...

1. This is beter than Threads but Reckoning still whacks it.

2. Time travel is generally a cool thing, but I didn't expect so long to be spent in the AU present day in part 1. I was just expecting a 5 minute set up to show some changes and then 15 mins in part 2 to set up the journey back in time.

3. Nitpicks on the AU: Hammod being a one-star is a good spot. However the bigger thing for me is that in the regular SG universe, Hammond and Jacob are/were mates, and therefore Hammond knew of Sam already. AU Hammond did not know AU Sam. Huh? Forget Sam not being in the military, what would have caused Jacob and Hammond to not know each other?

4. It's pretty much a dead cert that 9/11 is part of the SG universe as Sheppard is a vet of the Afghan conflict that resulted from that attack. Daniel mentions the fall of Communism yet 9/11 has IMO done more to shape the present day than they fall of Communism. So historicially, why leave that out?

Overall, decent but I'm banking on part 2 being better.
It was left out for political reasons.

9-11 is still a very contravercial subject as it brings to mind, not only the attacks, but everything else that stemed from that day. I don't think I need to say that everyone is sharply devided on what happened afterwards and the SG1 producers probably didn't want to touch that subject with a 10 foot pole.

lsd
February 15th, 2005, 04:47 PM
Ok one thing really bugs me, the jaffa found the PJ but if sg-1 zated them or something i don’t think it would have changed the time line. Because ra would have thought it was some other system lord or w/e and the jaffa didn’t know what the time ship was (did they see the inside?). So I think sg-1 should have just taken the ship

do u get what i'm trying to say?

am i sooo off here did I miss something, is what I’m saying stupid? :eek: :( :S

scsscs
February 15th, 2005, 04:50 PM
I did not see anyone post a better picture of the daedalus, so I took one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/scsscs/d2c5fea7.jpg

sgafansam
February 15th, 2005, 05:01 PM
come on you brits!!!!!!!! give us a synopsis for your poor stargate bretheren here in the us of a!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WormholeAlien
February 15th, 2005, 05:30 PM
I did not see anyone post a better picture of the daedalus, so I took one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/scsscs/d2c5fea7.jpg


With perspective correction.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/WormholeAlien/daedelus.jpg

Shiny Chicken
February 15th, 2005, 06:02 PM
I loved the episode.... love that Oneill's boat is the Homer.

TOA
February 15th, 2005, 06:31 PM
I gotta say the episodes in the last half of season 8 have all been good to great (great being Reckoning II and Threads, good being citizen joe).

I really loved Mckay in this though - hes such an arrogant ass, bloody brilliant :)
The nerd twins worked out to be funny/ish, but there were moments - the "Yo I am Carlos, you make me so Hot.." line was good.

The whole daedaleus thing is strange, I would love to have seen the actual ship though. It looks ALOT like an asgard mothership, inleast in a top down view. I really hope we get to see the real thing next episode.

I dont think Moebius I or II will beat out Reckoning or Threads for best episode of the season but part I was good.

I keep hoping Jack trys to convince RU Sam and Daniel to contact the Asgard and accidentally call out the Ancients (its possible - you know im right ...)

"I love that whole nerdy librarian thing" - "Mr. Fantastic" (lol)

Shiny Chicken
February 15th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Daniel: I generally leave the whip at home.
Catherine Langford's very attractive niece: Me too.

majorsal
February 15th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Ok one thing really bugs me, the jaffa found the PJ but if sg-1 zated them or something i don’t think it would have changed the time line. Because ra would have thought it was some other system lord or w/e and the jaffa didn’t know what the time ship was (did they see the inside?). So I think sg-1 should have just taken the ship

do u get what i'm trying to say?

am i sooo off here did I miss something, is what I’m saying stupid? :eek: :( :S

Haven't seen the ep, but what If Sg1 would have just zatted the bad guys, got on the ship, and then went back a day to before the Jaffas found the time ship?

Sally :)

TOA
February 15th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Ok one thing really bugs me, the jaffa found the PJ but if sg-1 zated them or something i don’t think it would have changed the time line. Because ra would have thought it was some other system lord or w/e and the jaffa didn’t know what the time ship was (did they see the inside?). So I think sg-1 should have just taken the ship

do u get what i'm trying to say?

am i sooo off here did I miss something, is what I’m saying stupid? :eek: :( :S

I get the impression is that Sam was trying to minimize the timeline changes. And there were changes - Ra took the stargate with him, which was a likely consequence of finding the PJ - even if the Jaffa didnt know what it was.

Also note that minor changes (such as someone being in a different physical location) would likely have much less impact on the timeline than say killing someone (even through them being killed as punishment by Ra for failing) - as their death would impact an entire family tree (so for example killing a Jaffa at that time could potentially kill Teal'c or his family)

Quinn Mallory
February 15th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Good episode. The Sam and Daniel of the alternative timeline were quite funny and I thought they still retain the characteristics that made Sam and Daniel in the regular world but just with less confidence.

I was a bit disappointed that we didn't get to see more of the regular SG-1 team knowing that this is the next to last time that we'll be seeing this team in action.

I have always liked a good time travel story and this one shapes up to be a good one (of course a lot would depends on how they resolve things in part 2).

Another minor point, it was good to see McKay but it does seem a bit unrealistic that a Canadian would be in charge of such a top secret project (of course it's very likely that in this timeline, McKay had immigrated to the US and became a citizen).

One last point, there was a very famous time traveling story that involved a time traveler who gone back in time and accidentally stepped on a bug (Sam made reference to it in this episode) and the difference that it made was who became the president in the future. In the alternate timeline, we have president Kinsey rather than president Hayes.

DelTrax1
February 15th, 2005, 07:50 PM
I got it! Back to the Future Part Stargate. Really thought the episode was good. Can't wait to see the finale. Where was Mcfly?

lsd
February 15th, 2005, 07:52 PM
I get the impression is that Sam was trying to minimize the timeline changes. And there were changes - Ra took the stargate with him, which was a likely consequence of finding the PJ - even if the Jaffa didnt know what it was.

Also note that minor changes (such as someone being in a different physical location) would likely have much less impact on the timeline than say killing someone (even through them being killed as punishment by Ra for failing) - as their death would impact an entire family tree (so for example killing a Jaffa at that time could potentially kill Teal'c or his family)

i never said kill i said zated ... and if they got away before ra saw the time ship it would not made a big diffrence ...right????

carry123
February 15th, 2005, 07:56 PM
ok, I need someone to explain this to me. I'm a little slow on the uptake. How could (will) the real SG-1 go back to their real timeline, now we know it's already been changed?

IMForeman
February 15th, 2005, 08:21 PM
Now this was just a very entertaining, but very strange, very bizzare episode. Lot of interesting stuff being set up for, and a great deal of self reference. ery fun so far... bring on ep2.

"Just because my reproductive organs are on the inside instead of the outside... STUPID!!! Who would ever say that?!?"

-IMF

IMForeman
February 15th, 2005, 08:22 PM
ok, I need someone to explain this to me. I'm a little slow on the uptake. How could (will) the real SG-1 go back to their real timeline, now we know it's already been changed?

The Title explains it. It's a Moebius loop. SG-1 goes back and causes this change, but leaves the info on how to send alternaSG-1 back who causes things to revert. A leads to B, B leads to C, C leads to A.

-IMF

BuuZeroC
February 15th, 2005, 08:24 PM
i think it will occur similar to how the alternate timeline occured. So my guess is that oDaniel and AU Sg1 will die/not return in/from the past such that the timeline is more or less fixed so with the gate still in giza time will occur as it had before only when the tape and ZMP the SGC is around now to ultilize it, so it will be reset button episode, but with one heck of a ride

ElanaM
February 15th, 2005, 08:56 PM
I just have one question, but how the hell are the going to fix this especially since Daniel is the ONLY surviving team member in ancient Egypt, are they going to use the alternates?

If anyone has any theories, please tell me.

My guess is real Daniel dies (he is goa'ulded apparently) as does the alternate team. This results in a third timeline which is closer to the original. One of the differences this time though is that in the 3rd timeline the ZPM is found at the Egyptian dig (along with another video) circumventing the need for our SG1 to go back to ancient Egypt. The reset could have them mention the finding after the defeat of Anubis and before the fishing scene in Threads.

Stargate Agent
February 15th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Why does Sky One refer to these episodes as the SERIES FINALE?? shouldn't it be the SEASON FINALE?? Or does Sky One have a bunch of drunk people up in marketing...?

cybersyd
February 15th, 2005, 09:39 PM
Technically in the UK we don't have seasons, we have 'series.' I work for a large tv company in the UK and when we buy episodes from production companies, we pay for a "series" not a season (so... Dalziel and Pascoe series 2). It gets very confusing.

I think I'm opposite to you guys because I thought the first half was weak and the second half brilliant. The beginning just felt rushed - in about ten minutes a recurring(ish) character had died, they'd located a ZPM, gone back in time, retrieved the ZPM, and got trapped. It was too quick and clunky.

And I still find it hard to believe that Sam would ever agree to them stealing something from the past. They had no real idea of the ZPM's importance in the time-line (for all they knew, it could have been destined to fall off a shelf and knock a Jaffa unconscious, thus allowing the slaves to rebel) and it just seemed like the writers were sacrificing character canon for the sake of getting to the AU.

Fortunately, I adored the AU. Amanda was wonderful as Sam - still brilliantly intelligent but afraid of her own ideas. Loved that both AU Sam and AU Daniel had terrible fashion sense. O'Neill's reaction to it all was completely believable, given the movie-O'Neill (and the "Homer!" Hee!).

Silver
February 15th, 2005, 09:56 PM
Ooh, posting for the first time here...

Was a bit disappointed with "Moebius part 1". Seeing as though it's suppose to be the first part of a season finale, it wasn't exactly the most exciting ep. ever. Although hopefully part 2 will make up for that. I just found the whole alternate timeline/future thing confusing, and the alternative Sam and Daniel, albeit very funny, were too unlike theirselves. Surely things can't have changed that much in the sense that they seem completely different characters? SO geeky, lol. Only Jack seemed like himself!

Loved the bits with SG-1 in Egypt though... nice to see Jack on a mission! I just hope they'll be more of the proper SG-1 in part 2.

Where they're in prison, and where Sam and Jack are walking through the desert, does anyone know if they're our SG-1 or the alternate characters?

Steam
February 15th, 2005, 10:10 PM
I did not see anyone post a better picture of the daedalus, so I took one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/scsscs/d2c5fea7.jpg
Did you not see my kickass drawing i made? lol.




And why do people keep fussing how things have changed for all you no the 1 jaffa the zatted might have been the one to lead the uprising? so therefor it might of happened at a different time witch would then result in a big difference in time. Maybe Jacob new hammond throught someone else but in the past that persons ancestors may have been killed due to the lack of the uprosing. ya see even the littlst things can alter the future greatly, like when homer steps on the bug lol

Buzz Lightyear
February 15th, 2005, 10:18 PM
And I still find it hard to believe that Sam would ever agree to them stealing something from the past. They had no real idea of the ZPM's importance in the time-line (for all they knew, it could have been destined to fall off a shelf and knock a Jaffa unconscious, thus allowing the slaves to rebel) and it just seemed like the writers were sacrificing character canon for the sake of getting to the AU.

Good analysis of the inherent problems of writing a time travel story where trying NOT to change history is a key goal.

I'm really surprised the writers didn't have SG-1 replace the ZPM they pilfer from Ra with a fake mock-up so no suspicions are raised.

Chaka's_Mum
February 15th, 2005, 10:56 PM
They did indeed rather gallop through the opening - but then again, we needed quite a bit of time to become acquainted with the AT versions of their characters.

I thought that both the AU Sam and Daniel were great fun; and I loved the re-use of the 'reproductive organs' quote, particularly as this version of Sam couldn't believe she'd just come up with such a comparison! In fact, there were numerous occasions when I laughed like a drain. After all the drama of the last three eps, it was nice to have a comic element to this one.

Daniel was still incredibly enthusiastic about his theories on the Pyramids (and, in that sense was largely unchanged from his original timeline self - apart from the truly shocking dress-sense), and Sam was still a highly intelligent astrophysicist (though she's now gawky, awkward and isn't much better dressed than Daniel - though I note she still seems to enjoy eating blue jelly).

It's quite amazing that so much could be changed just by one event: Ra taking the Giza Stargate with him when he leaves. Without a Stargate, there is no evidence to give Daniel's theories a firmer footing and no route for Sam to follow in developing it as a working piece of technology; there's no way that her own progressive theories can find that same firm footing, so no one takes her seriously either.

The two alternate Sams we've seen previously haven't been that far away from our Sam in character - but they've all been involved in a Stargate Programme, even if they didn't enter the Air Force. This Sam hasn't - and it seems to have resulted in her 'falling by the wayside' as an academic theorist (with a knock-on effect of her losing her self-confidence).

As for Jack, the lack of a Stargate has prevented his return to the Air Force to liberate Abydos (and therefore has missed out on the consequences of that mission). Instead, he's retreated to the coast to operate (sort of) a Marine Angling tour boat. Given that he is doing this on his own, we must assume I suppose that his son has still died, and his marriage has still foundered - but he's had no focus to recover, so he's drifting. Almost literally, given the state of that boat.

Worst of all; Kinsey is president (aaaaaaaaaaaaargh! Nooooooooooooo!!).

All thanks to the finding of one puddle jumper.

That'll teach 'em to mess with timelines ;)

Blend
February 16th, 2005, 12:41 AM
i liked it. look forward to pt 2

suzziq1
February 16th, 2005, 12:43 AM
great episode - just a few points:

1 why would president kinsey agree to the whole deal of going back for sg1, and changing time back to its originality, when he isn't president in the original timeline (whether he's the Kinsey we've come to know and love/hate! or a nicer person)

2 time travel is only a theory, who knows what effect time travel will have on time lines - the writers can do or say whatever they like and we cannot dispute the effects, or their ideas.

I think time travel is impossible anyway - as the past does not exist any more and the future hasn't happened yet!

Anyone notice how Sam wiped her hand on her leg after shaking hands with Mackay!

Anyway just a few thoughts!!

kashi
February 16th, 2005, 12:49 AM
okay that was awesome! Best SG-1 episode for a long time.

SPOILERS Atlantis 1.20

The ZPM recovered was able to be sent to Atlantis in the regular timeline, which means that they managed to fix the problem. Another possibility is that they don't manage to fully fix the problem, and the Atlantis series will now be based on a different timeline...how's that for preventing overlap between the two series'!?!?! Either way, I am really enjoying the way both SG-1 and Atlantis are exploring the concepts related to time travel.

Albion
February 16th, 2005, 01:21 AM
Why does Sky One refer to these episodes as the SERIES FINALE?? shouldn't it be the SEASON FINALE?? Or does Sky One have a bunch of drunk people up in marketing...?

It's just a difference in US/UK language. You call them seasons, we call them series. If you look at UK DVDs of UK shows, you'll see it'll say 'Complete Series 2' rather than 'Complete Season 2' for instance.

I have mixed feelings about this episode. Been reading a few of the comments, but not all of them (yowsa 118 already?!?) and see that some fans have similiar feelings to me. I enjoyed it, I really did, but it left me feeling a little...flat...somehow. I've watched it three times so far trying to figure out why and I just can't put my finger on it.

I think I agree that it might have been better paced if we had had the whole of the first part devoted to the real SG1's mission/dilemma/predicament in the first half and the second half had been left to the alternates being brought together and fixing the damaged timeline. As it was, I was taken by surprise that the alternates and their storyline appeared midway through part one. Thinking about it, this meant that I kind of feel the real SG1's contribution to the storyline was kind of rushed. It could have been even more dramatic, poignant, whatever if it had taken more time. However, it seems likely that there will be interaction with the real SG1 back in 3,000 BC and the alternates in part two, so that might balance things out.

I really have the suspicion that, more than any other two part episodes I've ever seen, this one really needs it's part two before it will come into its own. I think that once I see part two, and can get the opportunity to watch this as one complete story, it'll emerge as one of my favourite episodes. But on its own, it seemed...lacking somehow.

There was much to like though [in no particular order as ever]:

* Jack's boat being named Homer - and obviously named by a drunk Jack to go by the sloppy writing and the bad paint job. :p

* Geek Daniel and Sam. They were pretty funny, often hilarious, and made me laugh out loud more than once, although I did feel that AT was trying too hard at points. Once she settled into it though, she got just a little more subtle about it and it worked much better. I loved the way her hair ended up looking like an explosion in a hayloft after she pulled the lifejacket over her head. LOL.

* Geek Daniel and Sam bonding as a little team of two. That was very cute and a delight to watch. Loved Daniel's "No, I'm not letting them cut you out either. We're supposed to be a team here." Like Sam said, "Sweet."

* Really enjoyed the Egypt scenes. But thought that the effect of the timeship travelling back in time was somewhat understated and a little disappointing. Not very dramatic. Wobble - oh, we've gone back in time.

* Almost did myself a mischief laughing at Jack trying to escape the rocks in the briefing room. Great Daniel/Jack interaction there. And nice touch to bring back...Wells was it? Whatsisname from Heroes anyway...to be the one boring Jack to tears with his finds.

* Some nice Jackisms:

"If I have to say what one more time, heads are gonna roll!"

"She wouldn't even let me go back to watch the Cubs win the World Series!"

"Let me do it now, so I won't have to in 5,000 years."

"No, I've got a better idea. Let's take back our ship!"

* MacKay was a complete PITA - don't you just love him? :D

* Loved the scene where Daniel and Sam smugly show Davis that Sam's found the second gate. LOL. Their expressions there were hilarious. But, OMG! For pity's sake, hurry up and fix that timeline! That moustache on Davis was horrific. :p SG1 should be court martialed and thrown into prison without a key just for causing that monstrosity alone!

* Jack on the boat having trouble believing the two geeks in front of him save the world on a regular basis. Really looking forward to seeing him decide he wants in in part two. Watching him interact with those two should be a whole barrel of fun.

* Oh! How could I forget? Hammond! How lovely to see him back doing what he does best.


The two alternate Sams we've seen previously haven't been that far away from our Sam in character - but they've all been involved in a Stargate Programme, even if they didn't enter the Air Force. This Sam hasn't - and it seems to have resulted in her 'falling by the wayside' as an academic theorist (with a knock-on effect of her losing her self-confidence).

I agree. It seemed pretty clear through the episode that all Geek Sam needs is an injection of self-confidence and she'll be much closer to the original. And in some respects we saw it begin to happen - being the one to think of the way to find the second gate did wonders for her. I get the distinct impression that being out from under the thumb of her boss, will help too.

BTW, did I hear Sam in Egypt say at some point they could 'take back the jumper' ? Isn't puddle jumper the name used by the Atlantis crew? How would Sam know to call it that? Could be I've missed something though, since I haven't been watching Atlantis since several episodes back. In fact, I'm getting a little annoyed at the fact that I seem to be increasingly required to to pick up the nuances of what's happening in Stargate. I want to watch a show because I enjoy it. Not because it's required learning. Makes it seem like homework that way. :rolleyes:

Had forgotten about Kinsey. It was amusing that he was pissed that Hayes was President in the original timeline. <g>


Albion :)

Anubis
February 16th, 2005, 01:24 AM
OK - so I didn't have huge hopes for this episode, and I'm quite glad I didn't, really. I thought it was too slow in moving into the story.


The first few minutes of the episode were great, up until we see the AU characters introduced, I thought from this point everything was too slow. From what we had from both Reckoning and Threads, this first part, really let it down for me. The standard of those two episodes were great, and now, that standard has fallen, unfortunately. I hope better for next weeks episode. ;)

With a bit of luck, part two will return and focus on the real team, not AU, as we spent the entire episode revolving around AU characters, and they could have been dealt with a lot quicker.

OK, when Teal'c dressed up as the Horus guard, that was a really cool special effect, all those little extra parts. :D Glad to see some of those big masks again. I'd have thought it might have been a little more difficult to steal the ZPM from Ra, but then if he didn't know what it was, I suppose you can't fight for something, if you don't know what you're fighting for. ;)

I think Amanda Tapping done an excellent job at playing her AU character, all the shaky hands bits, how she speaks, facial expression. Great stuff! A few other things are interesting, too;

- Jack's boat is called 'Homer'. It has it engraved on the back. :D
- Sam was afraid of stepping on a bug, just what Homer did on a Simpsons, Halloween special episode
- How did the jumper activate the gate, all the way in Antarctica? I thought they have to be close to the gate?
- Rodney still enjoys his lemon chicken :P
- Rodney still tried hitting on AU Sam, with no success. :D
- An image of the Deadulus is shown at the start of the ep.


Overall - I wasn't that impressed by what I see and for this episode to work for me, part two has to blow both Reckoning and Threads right off the picture. Not very big hopes for part two .. but we'll see.

Albion
February 16th, 2005, 01:37 AM
OK, when Teal'c dressed up as the Horus guard, that was a really cool special effect, all those little extra parts.

Oh, I'd forgotten about that, too. Yes, that was a very cool effect there. And there's just something about Teal'c in one of those birdheaded things...noticed that in Secrets. <g> Did it just get hot in here?

Another nice effect was the sand on the ship. That'll teach them to park in the wrong zone.

Oh and Daniel refusing to sign the non-disclosure agreement, just to be persnickity - while Sam couldn't grab the pen fast enough. That was hilarious.

And Jack's staring at them for a while when they turn up at his boat before asking, "Are you two a couple?" :p :D

In the mood to go watch it again now...

Oh and...Steam, I think it was...


yes guys it does get kinda annoying + people seem to find it so fun to quote the entire D*** plots, why, why would you quote all of the plots

Well, could be because in every episode thread I've ever seen to date there's always someone who has weeks before they can view the episode begging for a transcript or plot summary to be posted. Don't blame the messenger! ;)

And Imhotep - I don't know about you, but I don't have the time to read through 118 posts before I post my own opinion on an episode. I wish I did! But I have a life beyond this forum. :rolleyes: So demanding that people do is a bit unreasonable, imo. For me, it's perhaps preferable, but often not practical.

Albion :)

Markey2
February 16th, 2005, 02:33 AM
I thought the episdoe was great! It played out so well and it felt just like the old days! Seeing Ra was a bit of a let down because that mask could have been anyone. Meh.

Love the AU bits. It was so nice to see something so different and Davis' moustache!!!! Priceless. Loved the tape idea and bringing in the Gate. It was like what they wanted to show us in Redemption only they did this time! I can't wait for the second part because this story has me really wandering what will happen.

Frostfox
February 16th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Just finished it.

Loved it.

Loved nerdy Sam.
Loved nerdy Daniel wanting them to be a team.
Loved grouchy Jack.

It felt like a good old fashioned SG1 romp, the excuse for going back in time was a bit limp but the rest of it was corking.

So looking forward to next week.

Foxy

WormholeAlien
February 16th, 2005, 02:55 AM
The whole daedaleus thing is strange, I would love to have seen the actual ship though. It looks ALOT like an asgard mothership, inleast in a top down view. I really hope we get to see the real thing next episode.

The asgard ships generally are kinda flat witha top down profile similar to an anchor and the have two verical fins in the back. This one looks a lot like the prometheus.

Also, I think the first part of moebius alone was already better than threads.

Angel of Fire SG1
February 16th, 2005, 03:07 AM
LOVED IT!

Going to watch it again now!! I loved it SOO much!! Can't WAIT for part two!! Thought Amanda Tapping as Geek Sam was HILARIOUS!! So completely different from our Sam!!

RE: the puddlejumper...I dunno exactly when it happens in the timeline or wat's aired in the UK but on Atlantis (Letters From Pegasus) they send all their info to Earth in a message, I'm assuming they have the reports & everything by then and know that it IS called a jumper...

Just thought I'd point that out...

Geek Sam & Daniel were SOO funny!!! Thought it was interesting how Hammond was only a Brigadier General....loved seeing him again though!!! And Major Davis with the moustache AHAHA

LOVED Jack's boat being called "HOMER" LOL that was so funny!!!

Highlight for me was Sam's line about the reproductive system!!! LOL hilarious...

OH AND MCKAY!! I love McKay!!!! Squealed when he came onto the screen hehe - and LOVED him hitting on Sam, that was hilarious!! LOL!!!

I guess all the big action stuff happens next week
That's what I expected...what SG-1 usually does ;)

Overall I give the ep a 9.5/10!!!

meatspxNZ
February 16th, 2005, 03:11 AM
Don't shoot me down for saying this....I've spent too much time reading this forum - i've been corrupted.

At approxiamately 38:40, near the end of the episode, Daniel says to Samantha "Any progress with the ship". This was of course after McKay was interested in Samantha, and had just "made his move".

Daniel did pronounce the word ship differently, as it meant something else.

Perhaps the TPTB have read Gateworld - a gentle rub in the ribs for all who partake in ship threads/discussions.

WormholeAlien
February 16th, 2005, 03:17 AM
May be they should have made this a three parter! :) May be make it so that their in a desperate situation and a time jump was their only recourse. And no AU in the in the first ep which could end in them knowing they're sorta stranded in the past.

The second ep could start in the AU (after tealcs mandatory "previously on SG1") just to confuse the viewers. The third could be how everything got fixed and have a lot of battles.

AmberLM
February 16th, 2005, 03:18 AM
Don't shoot me down for saying this....I've spent too much time reading this forum - i've been corrupted.

At approxiamately 38:40, near the end of the episode, Daniel says to Samantha "Any progress with the ship". This was of course after McKay was interested in Samantha, and had just "made his move".

Daniel did pronounce the word ship differently, as it meant something else.

Perhaps the TPTB have read Gateworld - a gentle rub in the ribs for all who partake in ship threads/discussions.

I didn't notice that. I have to say for me Moebius was a bit of a let-down. I just sat through the whole episode thinking "and... there's gonna be some action any minute now, we'll cut back to the real SG1 and they'll be some big battle or something...right?" I guess not. I just don't see how they can conclude this whole thing in 45 minutes, especially since they don't even seem to have gotten into the main plot yet really. As funny as geek Sam and Daniel are (and kudos to Amanda for her performance :) ) they're just not *our* SG1!

AlphaBlu
February 16th, 2005, 03:20 AM
That episode was so much fun. I loved it. Everything about it was just right, except Samuels, who had way too little screen time. McKay's cameo... just fantasitc.

Get's a 4 out of 5 from me (because it was too short - I wanted to spend more time with Geek Sam & Geek Daniel), then +1 for McKay and +1 for the Puddle Jumper.

All shows should have Puddle Jumpers. I'm certain that if Enterprise had had Puddle Jumpers, the show wouldn't've been cancelled. I'm also sure that Atlantis' good ratings is due to Puddle Jumpers. Galactica's good ratings are due to people thinking "Hey, Atlantis was so good - maybe this show will have a Puddle Jumper too!". In other words, Puddle Jumpers just make the world a better place.

So, in the end 6 out of 5 (4 + 1 + 1).

BYE

Chaka's_Mum
February 16th, 2005, 03:26 AM
RE: the puddlejumper...I dunno exactly when it happens in the timeline or wat's aired in the UK but on Atlantis (Letters From Pegasus) they send all their info to Earth in a message, I'm assuming they have the reports & everything by then and know that it IS called a jumper...

We should have had that ep last week, but Sky dropped it to make room for the extra half hour of 'Threads'. We saw it last night straight after SG1. I'd guessed something along that line anyway - but that confirmed it.

I thought it was amusing that, despite the changes to the timeline, good old Rodders McKay was still an arrogant bighead! Looks like he's a bit of a perv, too - grabbing Sam's butt not two minutes after being introduced. No wonder Sam was trying to hide from him. Loved the 'Mr Fantastic' on his t-shirt. He still thinks he's one of the world's greatest living scientists - but now he's shoving it in people's faces without even having to open his mouth! :D

Roll on pt 2. Shame we've got to wait a whole blooming week for it.

Sha're
February 16th, 2005, 03:34 AM
After all the build up, I'm glad to say I didn't feel let down at all by this episode. I've read a few comments about the second half not being as good as the first, but I certainly enjoyed it. While Sam was every single cliche about "girls who were glasses" - AT did the job beautifully and I smiled all the time she was on screen. It was funny. And Daniel - OMG, greasy hair - eeeewwwww. But for two such "buff people" they geeked up damn well!! I actually found myself saying no!!! when the "to be continued...." came up and I can tell you I haven't done that for a few seasons (except for Reckoning 1 & 2)
The only part that I have a gripe with was Ra. As a fan who adored that film and the character of Ra, I thought an integral part of said character was the fact that he was - boylike. Ok we haven't seen his face yet but the fact that he was certainly adult sized was a disappointment. And yes I know that - other actors take over, things change, the film was a long time ago etc etc. Its only a minor gripe and I hope that if Ra has a larger part next week - i'll feel differently. :D

Fox McCloud
February 16th, 2005, 03:35 AM
That episode was so much fun. I loved it. Everything about it was just right, except Samuels, who had way too little screen time. McKay's cameo... just fantasitc.

Get's a 4 out of 5 from me (because it was too short - I wanted to spend more time with Geek Sam & Geek Daniel), then +1 for McKay and +1 for the Puddle Jumper.

All shows should have Puddle Jumpers. I'm certain that if Enterprise had had Puddle Jumpers, the show wouldn't've been cancelled. I'm also sure that Atlantis' good ratings is due to Puddle Jumpers. Galactica's good ratings are due to people thinking "Hey, Atlantis was so good - maybe this show will have a Puddle Jumper too!". In other words, Puddle Jumpers just make the world a better place.

So, in the end 6 out of 5 (4 + 1 + 1).

BYE


You and puddle jumpers HSBC

Angel of Fire SG1
February 16th, 2005, 03:37 AM
Don't shoot me down for saying this....I've spent too much time reading this forum - i've been corrupted.

At approxiamately 38:40, near the end of the episode, Daniel says to Samantha "Any progress with the ship". This was of course after McKay was interested in Samantha, and had just "made his move".

Daniel did pronounce the word ship differently, as it meant something else.

Perhaps the TPTB have read Gateworld - a gentle rub in the ribs for all who partake in ship threads/discussions.


LOL....yeah they do that...I noticed it!!!

But then again I notice things like that ;)

*grins* Just watched most of it again!!

Still love it!!!

Whistler
February 16th, 2005, 04:08 AM
He was from SG13


Actually, noting the badge he had on, he was from SG-22

lordvader
February 16th, 2005, 04:35 AM
A short while back, SBS (Australia) played a german mini series called "hunt for the lost relic" (or something like that).
The basic premise was that during an archaelogical dig, a digital camera was found, dated back to the time of Jesus, with a recording, along with the skeleton of a man from "our time".

It was a really good series, and I can't help but see the similarities between the two.

Catysg1
February 16th, 2005, 07:17 AM
The 1st part was great with the ancient Egypt .. I loved seeing them in the puddlejumper ..leaping .....walikng in the desert ,, stealing the ZPM and them ...zap ...nada for the rest of the epsiode ...I was looking forward to the next scene ...but nada from the ancient Egypt ..and instead Shame I had to suffer through the AU scenes :rolleyes:


the AU dragged on and on and on and on an on ..boring .
And how annoying can TPTB become with the Sam and Jack crap ?
I mean the little brushing of the hand in the briefing room ..allright let's all be sublte ..we don't want the anti-shippers to notice than Sam and Jack are getting together :rolleyes: Their little game is really sick ..so far in season 8.. AND I'm fed up to see Daniel's face .

I refuse to watch Atlantis to see that kind of things happening over there too.
Mobius 2 is gonna be all over the shop ...I mean they have only 45 minutes now to save the team and give us a good Sam and Jack scene ..We know that the AU are over there too ..and to be honest I had enough of them in Mobius part 1 .they are so out of characters than even a kiss between AU sam and Jack is gonna make me puke ..I'm really fed up of TPTB's little game ..and it looks like they'll give us the last 2 minutes betwen Real Sam and Jack ..I hope I see a kiss in the ancient Egypt jail between Real Sam and Jack..just before he he is taken away ..I never wanted an "I love you" but now I demand it ..After all Daniel said it to Sharee in a very romantic scene in earlier episodes and it was Stargate related .

I thought it was sick to spend so much time with the AU Sam and Daniel ..and yeah there were funny ..but I got enough of them after 5 minutes . Also my hubby who is not a spoiler addict didn't even understand who the AU were ..He thought it was the real team before they went into SGC ...just to say that it was very unclear .

The editing of that episode was atrocious ...about the 2 stories :eek:


I have lost my admiration to TPTB and the Stargate shows .
Why didn't they edit some of the AU stuff ..FCOL?!

I like comic episodes but the comic of the ealier seasons ...not that episode particularly .

If do rewatch that episode ..I will only do so until they find the ZPM and you see the team walking away in the desert ..I will never ever watch the AU stuff of that episode .
And where is the quantum mirror by the way ? at least before ..when we switched to AU ..it was related to the quantum mirror ..but this time ..the AU comes out of the blue ..No wonder my hubby didn't understand who the geeks wearing glassses were !!!! :S


Caty

Kalinda
February 16th, 2005, 08:03 AM
Okay.. let's see..

On the whole, it was pretty good but could've been better. I liked how it started out at the beginning; but the 2nd half was really confusing O_o

Like, I have so many questions as to how the timeline got so AU based on how SG1 tranveled back and left the video camera and ZPM in the tomb.. maybe something happened to them after that.. I hope they explain it to us; it was generally pretty confusing.

The whole thing with Ra was decent, could've been cooler but it did the job.. and I agree with the person who said his Jaffa should've looked like the ones from the movie. The helmet was great; so glad they kept that :)

I also noticed Jack didn't seem overly nice in the AU timeline, almost reminded me of movie Jack.

McKay, for his small part, was awesome, too. As was Hammond.

I'm so glad they didn't really shove the shipper crap in our faces; I hope they don't actually TELL us if they're gonna get together or not.. leave it to the viewers to decide, I say, espeically since Jack might not even BE in season 9. That should definately be something that is left up to us... then I can decide not to hear about it anymore... thank goodness!

And now I really wonder how they're going to fix the timeline.... I sure hope everything is explained.

Oh and I can definately see this as being made into one really long epiaode on the DVDs; I already see the two parts as fitting together nicely like Lost City did.

8/10

Can't wait for next week; hoping it'll be better :)

Replicarter
February 16th, 2005, 08:24 AM
And where is the quantum mirror by the way ? at least before ..when we switched to AU ..it was related to the quantum mirror ..but this time ..the AU comes out of the blue ..No wonder my hubby didn't understand who the geeks wearing glassses were !!!! :S

I agree it did come out of the blue, but its AT Alternate Timeline, not AU Alternate Universe because really, its just switching between the past and the present, but because they did some bad stuff in the past, the present we see it different to what it actually should be.

MrBojangles
February 16th, 2005, 08:40 AM
I'm fairly certain the reasoning behind Hammond being only a one star general is that in standard US military policy, commands such as the SGC, are lead by Major Generals (2 stars).

With that said.
I believe Hammond was a Brigadier General (1 Star) before he was assigned to the SGC. Remember he was about to retire, but was asked to take over the SGC after General West (from the movie) I believe left. They made him a 2 star, which gives him more authority and pay benefits. O'Neill is in command of the SGC now as a Brig. General because he buddy buddy with the President and also that he used to be the XO (executive officer) of the SGC under Hammond.

It seems plausible that way. They do have a military liaison on the show helping them to understand military protocol.

CoffeeGirl
February 16th, 2005, 08:41 AM
A short while back, SBS (Australia) played a german mini series called "hunt for the lost relic" (or something like that).
The basic premise was that during an archaelogical dig, a digital camera was found, dated back to the time of Jesus, with a recording, along with the skeleton of a man from "our time".

It was a really good series, and I can't help but see the similarities between the two.


Oh, they showed that in Australia? The original title is "The Jesus Video", a really awful movie that completely missed the point of a really really brilliant book by the same title.

Sorry for the OT, this just jumped at me. ;)

Galluslass
February 16th, 2005, 08:42 AM
Oh, I get totally confused with the timeline thing - for instance, why would AU DJ and Sam want to do anything for the real SG1?

'Cos, if AU Daniel & Sam are successfull in their quest etc, all they have ever known and hve ever done will cease to exist. I mean it's not like the real SG1 will ever know how their lives could have sucked!

But hey, this ep was totally entertaining - and I think they had to spend a bit of time in AU to make things right, otherwise there would be collective bleating about how superficial the storyline was etc. It's a stand alone concept and I was pleasantly surprised at how funny it was, must've been a laugh for MS and AT to do, 'cos I hardly ever find their humorous eps actually funny.

I'm thinking Mobeius 2 will be mostly AU as well, but I'm still looking forward to it.

joasia
February 16th, 2005, 08:51 AM
A short while back, SBS (Australia) played a german mini series called "hunt for the lost relic" (or something like that).
The basic premise was that during an archaelogical dig, a digital camera was found, dated back to the time of Jesus, with a recording, along with the skeleton of a man from "our time".
It was a really good series, and I can't help but see the similarities between the two.
The miniseries you're talking about is an adaptation of a novel by Andreas Eschbach called "Jesus Video". See http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AndreasEschbach/jesvid.htm (long German info) or http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AndreasEschbach/e/aenovels.htm (shot English note, among other books).

alz0rz
February 16th, 2005, 09:23 AM
hehe, I didnt read the above posts but did anyone else catch Carter calling the timeship a "jumper" - how do they know what Sheppard named it :p !

Replicarter
February 16th, 2005, 09:28 AM
I dident, when did she say it?

Token
February 16th, 2005, 09:43 AM
Haven't seen the ep, but what If Sg1 would have just zatted the bad guys, got on the ship, and then went back a day to before the Jaffas found the time ship?

Sally :)
Sam made reference to that question. She said that the "time" machine seemed to work only when the jump was over 100 years. That way the writers don't confuse themselves too much. ;) :p

keppiezbt
February 16th, 2005, 09:45 AM
do you they find the zpm in the tomb?

joasia
February 16th, 2005, 09:55 AM
The original title is "The Jesus Video", a really awful movie that completely missed the point of a really really brilliant book by the same title.
Why am I not surprised... (still trying to forget the Sc-Fi Channel version of "Earthsea")

Token
February 16th, 2005, 09:56 AM
<snip>
As for Jack, the lack of a Stargate has prevented his return to the Air Force to liberate Abydos (and therefore has missed out on the consequences of that mission). Instead, he's retreated to the coast to operate (sort of) a Marine Angling tour boat. Given that he is doing this on his own, we must assume I suppose that his son has still died, and his marriage has still foundered - but he's had no focus to recover, so he's drifting. Almost literally, given the state of that boat.

<snip>

This is what gets me. If Jack had married Sara, had Charlie, and Charlie killed himself; then wouldn't Jack have possibly still been suicidal? Or maybe he never married Sara, and he was just pathetic in his AT self.

I guess it is just amazing what a 5,000 year time ripple will produce. :rolleyes: My brain is a little fried, but does this "time theory" the writers created match with what happened in "1969"? Maybe we won't know until Part 2?

DarkQuee1
February 16th, 2005, 09:58 AM
I'm so glad they didn't really shove the shipper crap in our faces; I hope they don't actually TELL us if they're gonna get together or not.. leave it to the viewers to decide, I say, espeically since Jack might not even BE in season 9. That should definately be something that is left up to us... then I can decide not to hear about it anymore... thank goodness!

Since this is a thread they've had in the show for eight years, I think it's time they *did* resolve it one way or the other. and since Jack isn't going to be in season 9+, it's not as if you are going to "hear about it anymore", either way.

(BTW, if they are going to show AU Sam and AU Jack snogging, then that makes it 4 for 4: 4 realities--including "ours"--and S/J find each other in each one!)


J.

DarkQuee1
February 16th, 2005, 10:03 AM
Sam made reference to that question. She said that the "time" machine seemed to work only when the jump was over 100 years. That way the writers don't confuse themselves too much. ;) :p


I'd like to know why they didn't use the puddle jumper to go back to an even earlier, and possibly safer, time: when the Ancients were here. Get a zpm from the source! (And these guys wouldn't be the same annoying Ascended who won't help anyone, but the Ancients who had the alliance with the Asgard).

BTW, re the "puddle jumper": it may be that they're using the term Sheppard used--though the term has been around a long time; small carrier planes that make frequent stops tend to be called puddle jumpers--or Sam may be calling it that because it makes "jumps" in time.


J.

DarkQuee1
February 16th, 2005, 10:06 AM
Oh, I get totally confused with the timeline thing - for instance, why would AU DJ and Sam want to do anything for the real SG1?

'Cos, if AU Daniel & Sam are successfull in their quest etc, all they have ever known and hve ever done will cease to exist. I mean it's not like the real SG1 will ever know how their lives could have sucked!


Heck, if they are successful, they will cease to exist!

I've been wondering about this myself. The show should establish why the AU's would be so willing to possibly wipe out their own timeline, and themselves in the process, to rescue duplicates they don't know. If the writers are taking the position that this new timeline, once created, will continue on its own even if the original timeline is restored, they need to make that clear.


J.

alz0rz
February 16th, 2005, 10:12 AM
I dident, when did she say it?

She says "jumper" right after they try to go back to the ship and the jaffa are sorrounding it .. then after when they are walking through the sand dunes she says it ... :p

alz0rz
February 16th, 2005, 10:15 AM
Sam: Daniel learned that on Abydos 9 years ago. When it happens there is a chance we can get the jumper back without creating too big of a ripple in the events of this timeline.

shockwave
February 16th, 2005, 10:19 AM
great ep

the egypt scenes were great. It's a long ago we had such things on stargate. loved McKay's cameo, he was hilarious

the dancer of spaz
February 16th, 2005, 11:00 AM
They had her say "Jumper?" I was almost very disappointed until I just thought of something:

*ATLANTIS*

Maybe someone explained/mentioned it in the video that Carter and Walter got from the Atlantis episode "Letters from Pegasus." Eh? :) I just thought of it, but it makes sense. For those who haven't seen it (which is both rather likely and unlikely), I won't go into what it's about because I haven't even seen it. ;) I just know that they get a lot of info from the Atlantians.

And, for two series which are supposed to be completely "separate," it's getting kinda ridiculous how much they're overlapping content/arc-wise. I love the shows of course, but still... If they knew that the eps were going to coincide from the beginning, they should have just come out and said it. :rolleyes: As it is, there are quite a few fans who only watch Atlantis and quite a few who only watch Stargate, but the current storylines are almost forcing them to watch both. Whateva. I'll watch 'em both anyway. ;)

the dancer of spaz
February 16th, 2005, 11:03 AM
Also, unfortunately, it seems like the only way to fully grasp what is happening in the Stargate Universe as a whole WHEN you're supposed to grasp it, is to watch the two series in order of how the US airs them. Because we can only assume that each ep occurs within the same part of our episode "timeline," so to speak, everyone gets screwed up/over/all around town when we don't watch them in the order SciFi shows them. :rolleyes:


At least... I think that's the flaw. :)

keppiezbt
February 16th, 2005, 11:08 AM
soooooooooo did they find the zpm in egypt with the video?

Atum
February 16th, 2005, 11:24 AM
I'm suprised that they didn't say anything about Sheppard in the video. After all, he has the "best gene" of anyone. Say O'Neill was dead in present-day AU, they would not know. Telling whomever sees the tape about Sheppard is standard, military-type contingency thinking.

WormholeAlien
February 16th, 2005, 11:27 AM
soooooooooo did they find the zpm in egypt with the video?

yes, but they don't know what it is. The camcorder battery ran out when normal daniel was saying this is very important, and the video cut off.

Dana_Jeanne
February 16th, 2005, 11:28 AM
Haven't read all the comments yet, so I don't know where I'll be in the 'ratings.'

SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE MICHAEL SHANKS TALK SLOWER!!!! I could barely catch some of Daniel's lines, which didn't help my feelings about this episode.

This was an okay episode. It was almost good, but not quite there. I just can't seem to get past the stupidity of our team going back in time in the first place, especially for a ZPM, which, while important, isn't something they CAN'T live without.

And... where was the continuity person? How many times did they go from 3000 to 5000 to 3000 years? That was just plain silly, seeing as how the beginning had Daniel being emphatic about 3000, telling Jack to concentrate on 3000, then AU Daniel mentions that the dig was 5 days earlier or something, so 2995....then we're back to 5000 years again. Come on!

Whiskers (daniel's wig) wasn't as bad as it looked in the photos, but still! Being a geek myself, I can assure the writers that we DO wash our hair. Just look at movie Daniel's hair--geekiness personified.

I felt AU Sam was too OTT, although she seemed to tone down a bit towards the end. It was rather amusing to play "spot the baby".

I liked watching AU Daniel and AU Sam together, they were adorable.

The original SG-1 had four zat guns with them. Why didn't they just Zat the jaffa around the Puddle Jumper and take off? So all those egyptians standing around would see them, so what? Seeing something strange would change time THAT much, while them actually living there WOULDN'T?

And what's with Carter saying "I never should have allowed us to do this." Excuse me? When did she get promoted over General Jack?

Hooray!!! We saw Daniel the achaeologist in action!!! I've missed that!

The episode was well-written-- good job Mallazzi and Mulli, I just think the premise behind the episode is a little too far-fetched; I can only suspend disbelief so far, even for Sci Fi and when it's something taking place Right Now, that makes it even more difficult.

And who's going to be making all the ancient stuff work in S9? I sincerely hope it's NOT new Colonel Iforgethisname.

Dana Jeanne

Token
February 16th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Haven't read all the comments yet, so I don't know where I'll be in the 'ratings.'

SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE MICHAEL SHANKS TALK SLOWER!!!! I could barely catch some of Daniel's lines, which didn't help my feelings about this episode.
LOL! I think in this ep he talked faster than any other. Maybe we could do a poll as to which ep MS talked fastest. :rolleyes: :p



This was an okay episode. It was almost good, but not quite there. I just can't seem to get past the stupidity of our team going back in time in the first place, especially for a ZPM, which, while important, isn't something they CAN'T live without.

Your right. I didn't feel like it was life threatening that they MUST get the ZPM. Although, I have already seen the entire Atlantis season 1 so....;)


And... where was the continuity person? How many times did they go from 3000 to 5000 to 3000 years? That was just plain silly, seeing as how the beginning had Daniel being emphatic about 3000, telling Jack to concentrate on 3000, then AU Daniel mentions that the dig was 5 days earlier or something, so 2995....then we're back to 5000 years again. Come on!

<snip>

I may be mistaken, but this is how I think the time line is. Ra had the ZPM during 3000 BC. BC and AD are split at the time of Jesus, and there has been approximately 2000 years since Jesus; hence, we are 5000 years from Ra's time.

Dana_Jeanne
February 16th, 2005, 11:57 AM
I may be mistaken, but this is how I think the time line is. Ra had the ZPM during 3000 BC. BC and AD are split at the time of Jesus, and there has been approximately 2000 years since Jesus; hence, we are 5000 years from Ra's time.
Ah! OKay, thanks! It really was rather confusing, so I'll pay closer attention on the second viewing. They went back TO 3000 BC, which is 5000 years ago. Got it :o

Dana Jeanne

Mio
February 16th, 2005, 12:16 PM
I agree it did come out of the blue, but its AT Alternate Timeline, not AU Alternate Universe because really, its just switching between the past and the present, but because they did some bad stuff in the past, the present we see it different to what it actually should be.

No. It is an alternate universe. If it was simply an alternate timeline you'd have a paradox: They went back in time under different circumstances, so this would have been different, and it would have been a nasty cycle.

However, Universe A sends SG1 back in time. In doing so, they don't travel to Universe A 5000 years ago. They literally CREATE a new Universe. We'll call it Universe B. Now, because of the changes they made, Universe B is very different. Now. How they {MIGHT} mix it...since I haven't read a single spoiler for Part 2:

Universe B sends their jumper back, creating Universe C. However, since Universe C is escentially a copy of Universe B, but with this back there, there are also copies of the original SG1 there. They stop them from doing whatever, and send them forward, to Universe D. Universe D is pretty close to Universe A.

Of course. I have no idea how they'll actually do it....and I don't want to know. Not for another week :)

Mio
February 16th, 2005, 12:18 PM
I may be mistaken, but this is how I think the time line is. Ra had the ZPM during 3000 BC. BC and AD are split at the time of Jesus, and there has been approximately 2000 years since Jesus; hence, we are 5000 years from Ra's time.

get with the times. It's BCE. Before the Common Era.

Token
February 16th, 2005, 12:24 PM
get with the times. It's BCE. Before the Common Era.

Only in parts of this universe kinda like metric. ;) :p

Xerom
February 16th, 2005, 12:36 PM
Man...that alternate part was stretched out wayy to long and the beginning was too rushed.

Hopefully Part 2 will be alot better. May have been mentioned already, but do you SG-1 lead to the rebellion on Earth?

Dana_Jeanne
February 16th, 2005, 12:38 PM
Mio, you've just given me headache, LOL.

So, somebody tell me how the tape in a video camera didn't disinegrate in 5000 years!

Dana Jeanne

Frostfox
February 16th, 2005, 12:38 PM
I thought putting the video camera in a (presumably Goa'uld) canopic jar was a good idea - we've seen them used to preserve snake for millennia but wouldn't x-raying it bugger up the video?

Foxy (who has no idea about what might damage video, besides, shouldn't the SGC be using digital tech by now)

Crazedwraith
February 16th, 2005, 12:38 PM
twas sealed in a high tech canopic jar. Properly vacummed sealed or something...

alz0rz
February 16th, 2005, 12:43 PM
Well, they didnt even mention Atlantis ... they had the ship and thats all that was said - when they do get to Atlantis its full disclosure they know anything. There has to be some ramification maybe in Mobieus part 2 - maybe thats when they get the message.

TOA
February 16th, 2005, 01:21 PM
i never said kill i said zated ... and if they got away before ra saw the time ship it would not made a big diffrence ...right????
True you didnt :) That said I think I was unclear - I just meant that seeing as Go'auld have a tendendancy to kill failures the previously zatted Jaffa would likely be killed.

TOA
February 16th, 2005, 01:43 PM
Well, they didnt even mention Atlantis ... they had the ship and thats all that was said - when they do get to Atlantis its full disclosure they know anything. There has to be some ramification maybe in Mobieus part 2 - maybe thats when they get the message.


Im thinking that we all had the order of the various episodes wrong, not to mention they will likely be aired in the wrong order everywhere.

I think (after seeing all of SGA s1 and upto moebius in SG1) that the order should be:

Moebius pt1(sg1)
Moebius pt2 (sg1)
Letters from Pegasus (sga)
The Siege pt1(sga)
The Siege pt2(sga)

Im talking logical ordering based on the plots rather than numerical order or air dates. Im pretty sure Moebius would have to be before Letters from Pegasus though as it appears in Moebius pt1 that (spoiler comment sortof from Letters from Pegasus SGA) Sg1 does not know about Atlantis's predicament (with the possible exception that Daniel remembers something of it from his time ascended)

KatG
February 16th, 2005, 01:53 PM
Posting before I read anyone else's thoughts.

It was interesting. Alternate Sam/Daniel were hilariously geeky. And Jack was exactly what I expected him to be. LOL at his boat being called Homer.

It was nice to see Major Davis and Major Samuels and General Hammond.

It did drag a bit, but I think that's because this is setting up part 2, which I hope will be super.

Really need to watch it again without hubs, stopping it every few minutes to ask what they said, or what's going on, or saying "it's boring". 8)

kashi
February 16th, 2005, 02:03 PM
Why didn't they just kill all the Jaffa, go back in time 2 million years and tell the Atlantians not to leave the time machine on board the puddle jumper found in 8.13?

Taonas
February 16th, 2005, 02:03 PM
Sometimes spoilers can do more harm to me then good :P

For example, with SG-1's current predicament, and what I've read of season nine, my brain has gone into migrain mode trying to figure how it will work x.x

Yes, I did read the theories on the thread... but creating a universe similar to ours wouldn't work...It couldn't, there'd be differences, big enough to have an effect on the story...

getcarter
February 16th, 2005, 02:21 PM
I thought it was a great episode. While I'm a little leery of how exactly they're going to fix their timeline, I thoroughly enjoyed the nerdy Carter and Daniel. The interaction between the two was hysterical. Poor Carter! AT played it brilliantly.

I would have liked to have seen more RDA but the scenes he did play were great, especially on the boat with Daniel and Carter. I'm even happy with the teeny tiny bit of ship they gave us in the beginning.

The addition of McKay was a nice surprise as well. All in all, I'm very pleased with the episode and can't wait for the conclusion!

Mio
February 16th, 2005, 02:22 PM
Sometimes spoilers can do more harm to me then good :P

For example, with SG-1's current predicament, and what I've read of season nine, my brain has gone into migrain mode trying to figure how it will work x.x

Yes, I did read the theories on the thread... but creating a universe similar to ours wouldn't work...It couldn't, there'd be differences, big enough to have an effect on the story...

Why? If they travel back to a time before any changes took place, and prevent them from occuring, the universe that they STOPPED the changes from ocurring in should be back to 'normal'.

KatG
February 16th, 2005, 02:23 PM
get with the times. It's BCE. Before the Common Era.

Either one is proper. Just depends on where you are and who you're talking to.

kashi
February 16th, 2005, 02:23 PM
Exactly....like to when the time machine was first put on the puddle jumper!

KatG
February 16th, 2005, 02:27 PM
BTW, did I hear Sam in Egypt say at some point they could 'take back the jumper' ? Isn't puddle jumper the name used by the Atlantis crew? How would Sam know to call it that? Could be I've missed something though, since I haven't been watching Atlantis since several episodes back.

I think this takes place after Atlantis "Letters from Pegasus", from which they could very well have learned what a puddle jumper is.

FrankGuthrie
February 16th, 2005, 02:52 PM
Very disapointed with the past scenes, they should have spent less on reckoning so they could make the sets bigger, Rs's scene and sets just dident seem big enough, and wasent as cool as the movie, i know they dident have as much but i think it could have been better. And also the jaffa, they should have had ones like in the movie, and not just used the affa we have now, though im glad they had the effects for the head piece, where it folds in and out of the back, iv always loved that.

As for the alternate timeline, they seemed a little to thick and geeky, they may have sucky jobs, but they should still be more normal if you know what i mean, they just dident seem right.


I also was very dissapionted with this episode. Same goes for Threads. Reckoning was/would be a far better season ender. I liked the first part of Reckoning ver much. The first part of Moebius was mediciore. :S When I saw Reckoning i thought season 8 was going to be the bom, but Threads and Moebius part 1 really were dissapointing.

Sir Ruff
February 16th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Sam was great in this one :D her expressions were just hilarious. And Daniel in the classroom :p As for the plot, I didn't find it that mindblowing as they said it would be.. well they still have the second part to blow my mind away :rolleyes:

JackDaniels
February 16th, 2005, 03:06 PM
Okay, so watched the episode three times now (possible bordering on psychotically obsessed) but I will admit that I still love it. Dear foreign man Carlos and McKay esp.

There are just a couple of things I feel I wanna add:

1. Why was hammond such an ass? I now he's still generally a good guy, but he was a good guy before SG-1 and I think he was a little short handed here.

2. Major Davis - why would he have been here? I can understand his involvement in matters of national security but he seemed to be acting as Hammonds Second in Command. And he seemed to be a bit of an ass as well.

3. Why did they have to add in that Kinsey was President. God that guy has to be everywhere!

4. I'm not sure whether or not I liked Jack on his boat when he was talking to Sam and Daniel "Ohkay, yeah, sure." The voice was kind of weird and although I laughed, I now wonder if I should've.

4. Its still the Sam thing. I've established in my mind why Daniel's life sucked (no Catherine, No Stargate after being laughed from his speech) but the Sam thing still bugs me. Why wasn't she in the airforce, why had her life changed so much. There are some things I esablished - no meeting with Hammond in 1969, so no placing on the stargate program, but WHY NO AIRFORCE. Also, someone made the point that George knew Jacob, so he would have known who Sam was - so maybe it was something different about Jacob that changed Sam.

I think that's about it, until I watch it again. One thing I thought was good though was the fact that Hammond mentioned that the technology in the Canopic jar was slightly different to the technology today, which made me think about The Trust, as we know they were responsible for buying and selling a lot of alien technology that was used in everyday technology. Even a simple thing such as a camcorder was different because we didn't have the alien technology and other advancements that came with the stargate. However, Earth was safe. Was there the slightest implication that (In Kinsey's words) the stargate was a pandora's box that shouldn't have been opened? In my opinion its negligable - even though earth was safe you can't discount all of the people they've saved, all the worlds now safe. Even though Earth may have lost no one in the fight against the Goa'uld, who knows how many others could have died?

KatG
February 16th, 2005, 04:16 PM
1. Why was hammond such an ass? I now he's still generally a good guy, but he was a good guy before SG-1 and I think he was a little short handed here.

If you go back and watch the first few eps, Hammond was very brusque and short-handed, especially with Daniel and Teal'c. Even with Jack somwhat.



4. I'm not sure whether or not I liked Jack on his boat when he was talking to Sam and Daniel "Ohkay, yeah, sure." The voice was kind of weird and although I laughed, I now wonder if I should've.

I think Jack was trying to be very Minnesotian, in his language/mannerisms.

Lt. Elliot
February 16th, 2005, 05:17 PM
As with most Season Finales, they are good. But two parters. I can't wait a week, but I can try. So here I go:

Things I Liked:
1. The plot was good. The whole concept was awesome too. Yay for Puddle Jumpers!
2. Ra! Wooh! My favorite System Lord. I mean, did you see when he got that crappy offering and he was like "Oh me! No way!"
3. McKay on SG1 yet again! Woot!
4. Hammond! Davis! Samuels! So exciting!
5. "The Homer." HAHA!
6. Davis was a moustache. Haha. So 70's porn star there.
7. The glasses on Daniel and Sam. How ugly!
8. The Ra guard masks things. When Teal'c activated his, I was like AWESOME!

Thing's I Didn't Like:
1. AU Sam was so fidgety! My god! During the non-discolsure agreement, she was like all jittery and fidgety. Also during the whole thing!
2. AU Daniel I didn't like so much. Too not-geeky it was scary.
3. Jack. What an ass. Didn't like him in the AU version.
4. The whole way they found the second Stargate. I mean, dialing the coordinates and they expected something to happen in front of their faces. Come on!
5. Hammond/Davis were really like, rude. I mean, worse than Season 1 rude.
6. AU McKay and the grabbing AU Sam's ass. Not good in my opinion. Starting to carry over PU themes. :S
7. Catherine dead. Most people know how I feel about this and TPTB killing off so many people!

Good Quotes/Moments:
1. The whole thing was AU Jack on the boat.
2. Sam's expressions when they found the Stargate and were telling Maj. Davis. She was like "Yeah. Owned."
3. Any scene with them in Egypt, especially with Ra. Yay for time travel. Boo for sandstorms.
4. The Carlos thing. Hilarious!

I didn't think this was very fast-paced. It moved at a good speed, maybe slighty-faster. Except the beginning. I mean, one minute Catherine is dead, and then BOOM! We're in Egypt and we have the ZPM. I mean, WOAH! Slow down. Then the AU section was good paced. And then it ended and I was mad cuz I have to wait 6 days! Overall: 9/10. They lost 1 point because of AU McKay grabbing AU Sam's ass....too much like PU.

saxamoophone
February 16th, 2005, 05:33 PM
Not a bad episode, but not the action packed episode i was expecting. I knew there would be a Alternate Time-Line created because of this, but I wasn't expecting on seeing them until part 2, so that kinda threw me off guard.

The episode was much better on 2nd viewing I found.

Nice to see a lot of old faces from the series in the episode....however, I thought they would at least bring back janet before samuels!!!

There has been a bit of discussion as to where this fits in relationship to Atlantis. My guess is that this episode takes place a few days (or a week) before " THE SIEGE, PART 1 " since there are a few clues that the events from "Letters in Pegasus" have already occured. In Threads Daniels' paper says "Waith on their way to Atlantis" and Sam calls the time ship a "Jumper" .

Can't wait to see what Part 2 brings......looks like a big reset button especially since Gateworld's pictures for part 2 have captions saying that everyone but daniel died in sg-1......so i can see them possibly making a 3rd reality from this all, which is identical to our timeline pre-moebius (post threads) where they initially find the tomb.

Anyways, I'll give this episode a 6/10
(Threads would be a 8/10, Reckoning a 9/10)

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 16th, 2005, 06:10 PM
Fun - ny!

The Bobbsey twins of science rocked. :D It's a treat to see such a waaaay alternate type of Sam and Daniel. I hope we get some insights into what made them what they are. Sam kind of hinted at things in her "life is what you make it," spiel.

Lots of great lines, and even a bone for the Sam/Daniel shippers to gnaw on: "I'm not gonna let them shut you out. We have to stick together; we're a team," and "Are you a couple?"

Cute. :)

Nice to see some old faces from the past.

The episode ties in nicely with the Atlantis season ender, too.

Hope Teal'c gets more lines next week, and that he actually interacts with the geeks.

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 16th, 2005, 06:46 PM
SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE MICHAEL SHANKS TALK SLOWER!!!! I could barely catch some of Daniel's lines[/QOUTE]

I know how you feel. Yeesh! Somebody needs to control his caffeine intake :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]How many times did they go from 3000 to 5000 to 3000 years?

3000 years... BC.

Add to that the AD 2000 years - and a bit - and you get...? :)



The original SG-1 had four zat guns with them. Why didn't they just Zat the jaffa around the Puddle Jumper and take off? So all those egyptians standing around would see them, so what? Seeing something strange would change time THAT much, while them actually living there WOULDN'T?

What, and risk killing Teal'c's great, great, etc grandfather? ...Among other possibilities. I liked how Carter gave a nod to Ray Bradbury's "The Sound of Thunder" when she talked about how stepping on a bug could affect the future. :) As it is, their being stuck in that timeline for five years seems to have killed the woman's liberation movement....



And what's with Carter saying "I never should have allowed us to do this." Excuse me? When did she get promoted over General Jack?

This just shows the extent of Sam's, Daniel's and even Teal'c's influence, IMO.

When it comes to the science, it's doubtless an unspoken rule that what Sam decides, goes. Had she not agreed to the mission that would have been that. The fact that General Jack didn't reprimand her shows that she must have a certain amount of command authority in areas of her speciality.

The more I think on it, I remember in several episodes, General Hammond looking to Colonel Jack to see what Jack would decide. Hammond, though in charge of the base, often deferred to Jack, who would have to take charge of the mission. So this may be the same: Sam is in charge of SG-1, now, not Jack, and as such she'd have the right /duty to okay or nix the mission.

Elwe Singollo
February 16th, 2005, 08:38 PM
Agh... No comment on the episode (it was so-so)...

But neway... I do want to say... Mckay was just the most annoying as ever!

kashi
February 16th, 2005, 08:42 PM
Another thought I had....why didn't 1 member of sg-1 (pressumably O'neil because he has the ancient gene) stay behind in the puddle jumper. Surely that would have been the obvious and sensible thing to do.

cobraR478
February 16th, 2005, 08:44 PM
1. Why was hammond such an ass? I now he's still generally a good guy, but he was a good guy before SG-1 and I think he was a little short handed here.
Go watch the SG-1 pilot.

"You are in no position to make demands Dr. Jackson" (In a rather go F yourself voice)

Im_just_guessing
February 16th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Why does Carter have glasses? It shouldnt make any sense, unless we TRY to justify it by saying something like "She spends so much time in front of the computer, or reading documents that her eyes went bad"

She was a PILOT in the original universe!! COME ON! She should have near or perfect vision!


And did it look to anyone else like there were gate symbols...on the back of the gate? I think it would be hilarious if they put the gate in backwards...but it didnt look like it. But more importantly, have the symbols always been there?

Buzz Lightyear
February 16th, 2005, 09:37 PM
1. Why was hammond such an ass? I now he's still generally a good guy, but he was a good guy before SG-1 and I think he was a little short handed here.

2. Major Davis - why would he have been here? I can understand his involvement in matters of national security but he seemed to be acting as Hammonds Second in Command. And he seemed to be a bit of an ass as well.

3. Why did they have to add in that Kinsey was President. God that guy has to be everywhere!

4. I'm not sure whether or not I liked Jack on his boat when he was talking to Sam and Daniel "Ohkay, yeah, sure." The voice was kind of weird and although I laughed, I now wonder if I should've.

I think that's about it, until I watch it again. One thing I thought was good though was the fact that Hammond mentioned that the technology in the Canopic jar was slightly different to the technology today, which made me think about The Trust, as we know they were responsible for buying and selling a lot of alien technology that was used in everyday technology. Even a simple thing such as a camcorder was different because we didn't have the alien technology and other advancements that came with the stargate.

The Hammond from earlier seasons also wasn't too agreeable but over time, he grew to respect all the members of SG-1.

Major Davis played the role of liaison between the Pentagon and the SGC in the earlier seasons. Presumably he would play a similar attaché role in this altered version.

The part about Kinsey as president is just another example of how events changed. Kinsey was always an important political figure in SG history.

I don't think you were supposed to warm up to this alternate Jack. No doubt to show that the SGC and SG-1 had a profound (and positive) impact on Jack's outlook on life.

The explanation for the slightly different technology in the video camera is probably a lot simpler than you might think. Ever write out something on a message board (or word processor) but somehow it didn't get saved? (Like for example during the recent GateWorld "blackout".) Well, when you re-wrote it from scratch, I'll bet it wasn't exactly like the original. In a similar vein, with an altered timeline, technology may evolve along similar principles but the little details would be different. Think of the video camera issue as a simple difference between VHS and Betamax. :cool:

Im_just_guessing
February 16th, 2005, 09:50 PM
That was amazing video quality btw, there was an AMAZING lack of decay!

kashi
February 16th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Why does Carter have glasses? It shouldnt make any sense, unless we TRY to justify it by saying something like "She spends so much time in front of the computer, or reading documents that her eyes went bad"

She was a PILOT in the original universe!! COME ON! She should have near or perfect vision!

I can think of many reasons. In fact with 5000 years of alternate history, it's amazing that she looks as simular as she does when you consider the chances of all of her ancestors actually meeting their respective marital partners.

joasia
February 16th, 2005, 10:15 PM
Thing's I Didn't Like:
(...)
7. Catherine dead. Most people know how I feel about this and TPTB killing off so many people!
If you check the IMDB you'll see that Elizabeth Hoffman who played Catherine didn't appear on screen since "There But for the Grace of God" in 1998. It has been 7 years. Being born in 1927 she may be unable to work. Which would be a pity, but what can we do?

Buzz Lightyear
February 16th, 2005, 10:21 PM
That was amazing video quality btw, there was an AMAZING lack of decay!

Of course. It was sealed in a Goa'uld canopic jar. If it can preserve life in suspended animation, it can surely preserve video tape.

Chaka's_Mum
February 16th, 2005, 10:44 PM
The Hammond from earlier seasons also wasn't too agreeable but over time, he grew to respect all the members of SG-1.

That's true. Plus, in this timeline he's dealing with two people he's never heard of before, neither of whom are Air Force personnel and are only there at all because they mysteriously appear on a video tape which somehow shows them as people known to the Cheyenne Mountain staff.

Daniel has still propounded his Egypt theory which, to people who don't know that there are Stargates/Ancients/Goa'uld etc. etc., sounds extremely daft :S (well, would you take the 'landing pad' idea seriously?) and Carter is, to all intents and purposes, just a proof-reader of other people's research. Neither of them are leaders of their fields of expertise (by a long, long shot), so I suppose it's almost inevitable that Hammond is going to think 'who are these people?!' and be brusque with them.

AlphaBlu
February 16th, 2005, 11:36 PM
You and puddle jumpers HSBC

Damn... someone recognised me. Then again I guess the "BYE" and the speal on the Puddle Jumper was a dead give away. Where do I know you from?

BYE

Frostfox
February 17th, 2005, 01:01 AM
. I liked how Carter gave a nod to Ray Bradbury's "The Sound of Thunder" when she talked about how stepping on a bug could affect the future. :)

I noticed that too (well, I went, gosh, yes, that's the Ray Bradbury where the tourist steps on the insect - not together enough to remember the name of the story) and smiled, such a hoary old SF chestnut.

AlphaBlu
February 17th, 2005, 02:15 AM
I noticed that too (well, I went, gosh, yes, that's the Ray Bradbury where the tourist steps on the insect - not together enough to remember the name of the story) and smiled, such a hoary old SF chestnut.

They're currently making a movie of The Sound of Thunder.

BYE

Kelso
February 17th, 2005, 02:34 AM
As for some of the AU changes...

Since Young Hammond did not meet future SG-1 and learn that he was destined to become a General, perhaps he did not pursue his career as aggressively and along the way never met Jacob Carter. Furthermore, perhaps Hammond (or someone else he affected along the way) convinced Jacob not to retire from the airforce when his wife died in the original timeline. Thus, alternate Sam would not have been as inclined to follow her father into the military and ended up a very different person.

As for lemon chicken... who knows? Perhaps Doc Frasier would have invented the cure for allergies if she wasn't so wrapped up with the SGC :D

joasia
February 17th, 2005, 02:35 AM
Of course. It was sealed in a Goa'uld canopic jar. If it can preserve life in suspended animation, it can surely preserve video tape.
I'm not sure. It has been sealed in a canopic jar. Hammond didn't say anything about the jar being special in any way. Of course he could just not reveal all the information to AT Sam&Daniel. I do not see a reason why keep this part a secret after tellling them about the tape and stargate, but who knows?

Narim
February 17th, 2005, 02:58 AM
Great episode overall. It really shows what a great actress Amanda Tapping is. Furthermore she is the first female in scifi shows that I can actually believe what she is saying something about technical stuff. The dorky Sam was amazing. The gestures, the speech, everything.

Regarding the timeline.... I really can't find a reason for Davis moustache. :) Another thing is Kinsey beeing president. He only came as far as he came because he knew about the Stargate and use this knowledge as leverage. That was a bad moove in my opinion.

Albion
February 17th, 2005, 03:06 AM
1. AU Sam was so fidgety! My god! During the non-discolsure agreement, she was like all jittery and fidgety. Also during the whole thing!

I've watched this one a couple more times now and find that I have to take back my earlier comment that AT over-played it at points. Now that it's settled in with me, I think she played it perfectly and the scene above is where I think she had it nailed. From the way she hops nervously from foot to foot and approaches the chair with those awkward movements when Hammond tells them to sit, to the nervous fidgeting with the pen - character is all in the details and here for me she's pinned this one down perfectly.


The original SG-1 had four zat guns with them. Why didn't they just Zat the jaffa around the Puddle Jumper and take off? So all those egyptians standing around would see them, so what? Seeing something strange would change time THAT much, while them actually living there WOULDN'T?

I don't think it was that they would be seen. In that kind of a firefight, with that many Jaffa, there would be no way to guarantee that someone wouldn't get zatted twice, no matter how hard they tried to ensure they didn't. So they couldn't take the risk that they'd end up killing someone whose absence in the timeline would change the future.


And what's with Carter saying "I never should have allowed us to do this." Excuse me? When did she get promoted over General Jack?

I agree with Tok'ra Hostess's interpretation of this. I really liked that line and the one where Jack says Sam wouldn't allow him to use the time machine to go back and watch the Cubs. To me they didn't mean Sam was trying to dictate to a superior officer. Like TH says, I found it a really sweet indication of how Jack listens to the opinions of Sam on matters of science. And I have no doubt he listens equally these days to Daniel and Teal'c when they have something to say too. It's all about friendship and being a team and knowing when others should be deferred to because they're the experts and you'd be an idiot to pull rank on them just because you could. It's what makes Jack such an excellent CO and leader. That he knows when to defer to opinions and when to make his own decisions.

BTW, Jack's comment about testing out the time ship by going back to 1908 (or whatever year it was). I'm assuming that 1908 was the year that the Cubs won the World Series? And that this is Jack still trying to get his way on that one? Otherwise, the significance of that date escapes me. Am I right with the connection? Or is it significant to Americans in some other way?

Albion :)

GuardianKentel
February 17th, 2005, 03:58 AM
BTW, Jack's comment about testing out the time ship by going back to 1908 (or whatever year it was). I'm assuming that 1908 was the year that the Cubs won the World Series? And that this is Jack still trying to get his way on that one? Otherwise, the significance of that date escapes me. Am I right with the connection? Or is it significant to Americans in some other way?

Albion :)



Yes, you are correct the date is the for the 3 Consecutive win by the Cubs for the World Series!

--------------

IMO, I thought it was a great episode. yes it lacked in a few areas but over all I liked it. I didnt have quite the AU/AT headache I was expecting, but then again this is only part 1. im not going to tackle all the things I liked or disliked, but one there was one thing that really bothered me, the whole kinsey thing, 1 maybe he is a little more "Honest" in this AU/AT. you know they should have just said it was President Bush who was not amused. But not Kinsey. Sorry for the rant.

:rolleyes:

Frostfox
February 17th, 2005, 04:48 AM
Yes, you are correct the date is the for the 3 Consecutive win by the Cubs for the World Series!




Ah, thank you, I was wondering what was important about 1908 (all I know about baseball I learnt from 'Take Me Out to the Holosuite' in DS9 :o I prefer cricket).

I loved (our) Sam being the twitchy one in the puddle jumper about not mucking up the timeline, emphasising to Jack over and over how important keeping the integrity intact.

mathwizard
February 17th, 2005, 05:34 AM
1908 is also the year of a mysterious event known as the Tunguska Explosion in Siberia:

http://www.icr.org/research/sa/sa-r05.htm

:D

Wass
February 17th, 2005, 05:36 AM
Thanks for the info interesting

mekafan
February 17th, 2005, 05:38 AM
Hi, nice board you got here ;) I should have checked up Stargate on the Internet earlier!

Moebius part one is an awesome episode. I suppose everything has been said about it until now, but there's one thing: I love the scene where the alternative Sam takes off her lifejacket. That's just adorable. Makes me want to go to a Stargate convention and ask her if she can repeat that scene for me. I'll bring the lifejacket.

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 17th, 2005, 06:24 AM
Since Young Hammond did not meet future SG-1 and learn that he was destined to become a General, perhaps he did not pursue his career as aggressively and along the way never met Jacob Carter.

Or maybe Jacob, having not met up with Hammond, was killed in action early on in Sam's life, leaving her an orphan raised by a system not sympathetic to girl empowerment.

AU Sam may have needed glasses because a simply corrected eye condition wasn't treated early on. In the States, even basic medical care is extremely costly. If she'd been orphaned she likely wouldn't have gotten military medical coverage. I imagine there is a plan in place for military's families?


As for lemon chicken... who knows? Perhaps Doc Frasier would have invented the cure for allergies if she wasn't so wrapped up with the SGC :D

I always saw Rodney's supposed lemon allergy as an attempt to get attention. He's probably gonna grow out of that crutch now that he faces death on a weekly basis. AU Mackay is a self-assured jerk who doesn't need to be allergic to anything - although I was kinda hoping he would suddenly develop a fatal reaction to lemon.... :rolleyes: (BTW, I love the MacKay character. He plays jerk well. :D )

Fox McCloud
February 17th, 2005, 07:22 AM
Theyve been using DV Cams for awhile now.
Digital Video has quite a long life expectancy. And when placed in a Gould Jar then it would last forever.

It was obviously a gould jar otherwise they wouldnt have bothered.

Shipperahoy
February 17th, 2005, 07:53 AM
I'm of mixed feelings about the episode. Overall it was enjoyable and I laughed so hard I got stomach cramps at the McKay bit. It just seemed so rushed, like they're trying to cram way too much information into a short amount of time. That's the good thing about 2-parters though. There's still more room to tie things up. Although I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they don't do some classic sci-fi cop out and end up with the AU SG-1 from now on.

Wass
February 17th, 2005, 08:02 AM
Well we will find out very soon but I found the episode a little slow but Mckay and Sam made it up for me.

Bucky
February 17th, 2005, 08:34 AM
I really liked "Moebius, Part I." I thought the Alternate Timeline versions of the characters were interesting variations--and I loved Amanda Tapping. Her goofy, nerd version of the alternate timeline Carter was a hoot in handbasket. The nervous fidgeting, the facial gestures--it was all dead on. And I liked that Sam's genius was subverted by her insecurity (well, I didn't like it, but I thought it was accurate), and that Daniel's brilliance was side-tracked into community program ESL classes (Loved Carlos!). I live in academia in RL: real, brilliant Ph.Ds getted shunted into dead end jobs like that all the time. As for the rest, I thought alternate timeline Jack was believably cynical. And it was great fun to see Hammond, Davis, and McKay again!

The McKay scenes were great! Apparently, he's obnoxious in any timeline!

I agree that the pacing seemed off. Very speedy, then slow. Perhaps the beginning seemed rushed because there was no break between Our SG-1 in 3000 BCE Egypt and the alternate timeline--no fade, just there's Carter fuming at an empty chair. Naturally, once we're in the alternate timeline, we have to stay there until the AT people fix the problem--at least that's what I'm anticipating for Part II.

Oh! and Amanda Tapping looked sweetly and obviously pregnant--and just beautiful! Pregnancy agrees with her!

Bucky

joasia
February 17th, 2005, 09:53 AM
Theyve been using DV Cams for awhile now.
Digital Video has quite a long life expectancy. And when placed in a Gould Jar then it would last forever.
It was obviously a gould jar otherwise they wouldnt have bothered.
OK, let's assume it was a Goa'uld Jar.
I'd say that the tablet AT Daniel has translated has been written by SG-1 Daniel, right? So why did he bother to write a tablet in ancient egyptian hieroglyphs but did not put a written note in plain modern English into the jar with the camera adding such trivia like the coordinates of the 2nd gate...?
The only reason I can think of is that with such note Airforce would have absolutely no need of AT Sam, Daniel & Jack... So I will just assume that the note has been written and put into another jar which unfortunately got destroyed. ;)

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 17th, 2005, 10:23 AM
OK, let's assume it was a Goa'uld Jar.
I'd say that the tablet AT Daniel has translated has been written by SG-1 Daniel, right? So why did he bother to write a tablet in ancient egyptian hieroglyphs but did not put a written note in plain modern English into the jar with the camera adding such trivia like the coordinates of the 2nd gate...?
The only reason I can think of is that with such note Airforce would have absolutely no need of AT Sam, Daniel & Jack... So I will just assume that the note has been written and put into another jar which unfortunately got destroyed. ;)

My speculation on this is that the canopic jar was sealed and hidden away pretty much the same day SG-1 figured they'd be staying in that time period awhile.

Also, in "our" timeline Ra left the Gate in Egypt when he left Earth; the natives buried and sealed it. SG-1's arrival in 3000BC must have changed that, which is further proof that Daniel must have chiseled the tablet, perhaps five or more years after they had sealed up the jar. As to the Antarctic co-ordinates, he may not have remembered them in any language.

Sir Ruff
February 17th, 2005, 10:28 AM
I just watched this again. Amanda is great playing that nerdy hot libarian :p I just noticed how funny she looks when she makes that beaver teeth thing

like so
http://wildwnc.org/natnotes/images/beaver.jpg :D

got to watch it again..

Jonzey
February 17th, 2005, 10:34 AM
OK, let's assume it was a Goa'uld Jar.
I'd say that the tablet AT Daniel has translated has been written by SG-1 Daniel, right? So why did he bother to write a tablet in ancient egyptian hieroglyphs but did not put a written note in plain modern English into the jar with the camera adding such trivia like the coordinates of the 2nd gate...?
The only reason I can think of is that with such note Airforce would have absolutely no need of AT Sam, Daniel & Jack... So I will just assume that the note has been written and put into another jar which unfortunately got destroyed. ;)
If he wrote a note in plain English, anyone could have read it. He wrote it in a way that only Daniel could translate, so he could be sure they got involved.

And to all the people saying they don't see why so many things are different:
Sg1 were stranded in Ancient Egypt for probably a furthur 30+ years after we left them. They were bound to change some things in that time.
I mean, what if Danny got a bit overenthusiatic about seeing history being made and accidentally messed something up?
What if Jack decided he really had to change something and so killed a guard?
What if Teal'c was spotted by one of Ra's guards? Especially with the mark of Apophis on his forehead. In mythology, Ra and Apophis were enemies. They could think he's a spy.

And some things may have just been coincidental, and completely unrelated to what Sg1 did. Like maybe Major Davis woke up one morning and thought 'Hmmm... Maybe I'll grow a moustache!'. In our current timeline he decided against it, but in the alternate one he thought it would make him look cool.

Im_just_guessing
February 17th, 2005, 10:59 AM
My speculation on this is that the canopic jar was sealed and hidden away pretty much the same day SG-1 figured they'd be staying in that time period awhile.

Also, in "our" timeline Ra left the Gate in Egypt when he left Earth; the natives buried and sealed it. SG-1's arrival in 3000BC must have changed that, which is further proof that Daniel must have chiseled the tablet, perhaps five or more years after they had sealed up the jar. As to the Antarctic co-ordinates, he may not have remembered them in any language.


The rebellion happened when he was away, so he just didnt think it was worth it to fly all the way back, I believe, if Ra was there, I think he would have stopped it.

joasia
February 17th, 2005, 12:13 PM
As to the Antarctic co-ordinates, he may not have remembered them in any language.
I had in mind something like "about 50 miles from McMurdo" but... Who could guarantee that the base will be in the same place in alternate timeline? Or that it will be there at all? So no coordinates...

Token
February 17th, 2005, 12:50 PM
I'm of mixed feelings about the episode. Overall it was enjoyable and I laughed so hard I got stomach cramps at the McKay bit. It just seemed so rushed, like they're trying to cram way too much information into a short amount of time. That's the good thing about 2-parters though. There's still more room to tie things up. Although I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they don't do some classic sci-fi cop out and end up with the AU SG-1 from now on.

I too have mixed feelings. I enjoyed it for the fun of it, but Part II will decide for me whether it is a GREAT episode.

Given the Season 9 spoilers for Ben Browder's character, there is no way the AU SG-1 could be the one left. Of course in sci-fi, I'm not taking any bets on that. :rolleyes:

morjana
February 17th, 2005, 01:02 PM
I have a question...

How much Tretonin did Teal'c bring with him?

If they were planning on a short stay in the past...

Teal'c may be in deep doo-doo if he runs out.

I don't think the local Goa'uld pharmacy will have tretonin on hand...

Morjana

Elite Anubis Guard
February 17th, 2005, 01:37 PM
it wasnt as impressive as i thought it would be, not enough time in egypt or enough seen. they coulda at least had a little sneaky with tealc in the temple.

The AU carter pissed me off but the Danny was so funny, but i have to say, i wasnt really pleased, nowhere near as good as id have hoped!

Replicarter
February 17th, 2005, 01:40 PM
Im not sure how much he took, but in Part 2

Teal'c is dead. But so is O'Neill and Sam, and only Danial alive

alz0rz
February 17th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Im not sure how much he took, but in Part 2

Teal'c is dead. But so is O'Neill and Sam, and only Danial alive

Wooooooooooow, I read spoilers - NOOOOOO!

Well, it was pretty obvious too, they had to die eventually - maybe the AU team goes back in time a bit too late.

Also, Moebius P1 screencaps for all:
www.sg1alliance.net

It's there for you [email protected] :p :D

oh and btw, my 600th post :eek: :S

Jonzey
February 17th, 2005, 01:48 PM
Wooooooooooow, I read spoilers - NOOOOOO!

Well, it was pretty obvious too, they had to die eventually - maybe the AU team goes back in time a bit too late.

Also, Moebius P1 screencaps for all:
www.sg1alliance.net

It's there for you [email protected] :p :D

oh and btw, my 600th post :eek: :S
Wooooooow, read spoilers then told us whats gonna happen. Great job! :rolleyes:

AsgardCarnage
February 17th, 2005, 02:31 PM
the problem with time travel isn't just what u do while in the past, its the things u dont know your doing. like when the jumper entered the atmosphere it moved some air around that wouldn't have been moved before maybe that created a bit of a wind or a sand storm a hundred miles away and kept some in inside who would have gone out. or when the gaurds found the cloaked jumper it kept them from killing someone or helping someone. maybe their foot prints made some one change the way they step in the sand making them be late home or something his wife gets pissed at him always being late and kills him.

the point is it dosn't matter what they do in the past any number of small things could change anything no matter how unrelated to the change, u can never tell.

either way ok ep, a bit slow but i still can't wait till the next one

airfro
February 17th, 2005, 03:11 PM
Ra was great, would have loved to see more of him. and i liked how tptb really made an effort to make Ra as movie like as possible.
When we see Ra's ship it different from normal goauld mother ships and also the way he enters, hes just plain better than the other goauld hes just so much more evil.
music from movie liked that and the costumes from the movie. also liked how many jaffa ra had (an awful lot). he has to have better tech than the other system lords. he was the supreme system lord every body else ruled under him.
Question for part 2-
is RA still alive if earth never opened the gate?

alz0rz
February 17th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Wooooooow, read spoilers then told us whats gonna happen. Great job! :rolleyes:

No, I meant I read replicarter's spoiler and forgot that it was actually a spoiler.. so I was like "WOW I READ A SPOILER" - im usually spoilerphobic :o

Madeleine
February 17th, 2005, 08:46 PM
I have a question...

How much Tretonin did Teal'c bring with him?

If they were planning on a short stay in the past...

Teal'c may be in deep doo-doo if he runs out.

I don't think the local Goa'uld pharmacy will have tretonin on hand...

Morjana

Eeek! Poor Teal'c :(

Madeleine
February 17th, 2005, 08:48 PM
Wooooooow, read spoilers then told us whats gonna happen. Great job! :rolleyes:

You do realise that because you quoted exactly the spoily bit of her post,*your* post had to be edited for spoiler-space too, don't you? :p

Giantevilhead
February 17th, 2005, 09:18 PM
I have a question...

How much Tretonin did Teal'c bring with him?

If they were planning on a short stay in the past...

Teal'c may be in deep doo-doo if he runs out.

I don't think the local Goa'uld pharmacy will have tretonin on hand...

Morjana

He could kill a jaffa and steal his symbiote.

Giantevilhead
February 17th, 2005, 09:35 PM
the problem with time travel isn't just what u do while in the past, its the things u dont know your doing. like when the jumper entered the atmosphere it moved some air around that wouldn't have been moved before maybe that created a bit of a wind or a sand storm a hundred miles away and kept some in inside who would have gone out. or when the gaurds found the cloaked jumper it kept them from killing someone or helping someone. maybe their foot prints made some one change the way they step in the sand making them be late home or something his wife gets pissed at him always being late and kills him.

the point is it dosn't matter what they do in the past any number of small things could change anything no matter how unrelated to the change, u can never tell.

either way ok ep, a bit slow but i still can't wait till the next one

All those things can happen without time travel. You can wake up on the surface of the sun tomorrow, but the probability of that happening is one in a googolplex. In the end, the events which have the highest probability of happening will most likely happen.

Madeleine
February 17th, 2005, 09:38 PM
He could kill a jaffa and steal his symbiote.

The timeline won't like it...

Giantevilhead
February 17th, 2005, 09:45 PM
The timeline won't like it...

He's already killed one.

IMForeman
February 17th, 2005, 09:46 PM
I have a question...

How much Tretonin did Teal'c bring with him?



Well, he thought ahead and brought his Mr. Tretonin Tretonimat! It can synthesize Tretonin from common items found laying around the desert. ;)

-IMF

Buzz Lightyear
February 17th, 2005, 11:35 PM
It's what makes Jack such an excellent CO and leader. That he knows when to defer to opinions and when to make his own decisions.

I'm not so sure about that. In "Gemini" (episode 8x11), he obviously deferred way too much to Carter's opinion and expertise, to the near disaster of all mankind.

Replicarter
February 18th, 2005, 03:43 AM
He's already killed one.


Actualy they shot him with a zat, so he will just be a little confused when he wakes up. And maybe he does take on later on in the current timeline they are in, and added to why the future is so different.

Replicarter
February 18th, 2005, 03:45 AM
Wooooooooooow, I read spoilers - NOOOOOO!

Well, it was pretty obvious too, they had to die eventually - maybe the AU team goes back in time a bit too late.

Also, Moebius P1 screencaps for all:
www.sg1alliance.net

It's there for you [email protected] :p :D

oh and btw, my 600th post :eek: :S

I know they had to die eventualy, but daniel is still alive, so sam and jack must have died from something other then natrual, so something big must have happend as they are a better fighter then Danial.

Jonzey
February 18th, 2005, 04:28 AM
Actualy they shot him with a zat, so he will just be a little confused when he wakes up. And maybe he does take on later on in the current timeline they are in, and added to why the future is so different.
He'll wake up wondering why he is lying naked in the middle of a pyramid.

Teal'c
February 18th, 2005, 06:22 AM
Hmmm... well, we already know that they never really thought the whole time travel thing through but take this what if...

Ra leaves Earth after the rebellion, leaving the Stargate behind and taking the ZPM with him. Say 2,000 years later whatever planet Ra has the ZPM is lost by him and eventually the people of the planet get the ZPM and their entire culture evolves around worshipping the ZPM.

What if SG-1 suceeded in getting the ZPM and getting back to the future? That culture would be completely different and who knows what other consequences...

The lesson: Don't screw with the timeline :P

Mr Prophet
February 18th, 2005, 08:23 AM
He could kill a jaffa and steal his symbiote.

Or blag one from a nearby temple. Without a Jaffa rebellion, symbiotes can be obtained from the big gumball-machine-type shrine at the front of any convenient major temple of the Goa'uld.

Mr Prophet
February 18th, 2005, 08:26 AM
I know they had to die eventualy, but daniel is still alive, so sam and jack must have died from something other then natrual, so something big must have happend as they are a better fighter then Danial.

Being a better fighter won't necessarily mean you live longer. The good fighters will tend to be the ones in the firing line. Sure, in a fight your typical Marine would beat li'l ol' teacher me nine ways from Wednesday, but his chances of dying by violence are much higher than mine.

Buzz Lightyear
February 18th, 2005, 09:39 AM
Or blag one from a nearby temple. Without a Jaffa rebellion, symbiotes can be obtained from the big gumball-machine-type shrine at the front of any convenient major temple of the Goa'uld.

You make it sound like your friendly neighbourhood ATM at a local 7-11. :D

Ugly Pig
February 18th, 2005, 10:01 AM
The end is near!


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Moebius'

I really, really hate the dreadful "reproductive organs" line from 'Children of the Gods', and have said so (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=97) on several (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=1023&page=2&pp=20) occasions (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=2596&page=2&pp=20). Easily my most hated moment in all of 'Stargate', it actually makes me cringe every time I watch the scene. Really. So how can I not love an episode in which Sam begins to repeat the line before stopping herself and going, "That's horrible! Don't ever say that!". :D

Yep, this episode was fun. I think my only nitpick would be that Sam caved in a little too easily regarding whether the team should go back in time using the timeship from 'It's Good To Be King' or not. It just seems that normally, she'd be a little more insistant. But when an episode is as good as this, who cares? Especially since we all knew they were gonna end up doing it anyway.

And thus, SG-1 go back in time. 5005 years back, to be precise. We get to see them in ancient Egypt, we get to see Ra himself (for the first time since 'Stargate' the movie) and we get to see the original SG-1 team members - all four on them - going on a good, old-fashioned mission. Not through the stargate, granted, but this time there's really no reason at all to be complaining about that.

Random observations!
- This is the first time in gosh-knows-how-long that they've recycled parts of the score from the original movie for an episode of the TV series. I don't think they've done that at all since around season 3 or so. Its use in this episode was highly appropriate, of course.
- Ra remains the one System Lord we've never witnessed speak English.
- In 'Threads', Sam and Jacob both made the mistake of saying it's been four years since Jacob's blending with Selmak when it has in fact been six years since it happened in season two. This lead to some speculations among fans that the series is not taking place in real time, but that those six seasons were actually four years in SG-1 time. This episode proves the theory false - it is said that the events in the original movie took place nine years ago. And as we know, those events happened about a year before 'Children of the Gods' in the established SG-1 canon. One season still equals one year, and the comments last week about Jacob's blending remain a mistake.
- Is alternate McKay a bigger jerk than "our" version, or does it just seem that way because he's not the central character here and thus we're not rooting for him?
- Lemon chicken is alternate McKay's favorite! Classic!! :D
- Does anyone else really like alternate "geeky" Sam?
- Anyone else notice that alternate Jack lacked our Jack's ability to quip? Notice how the best sarcasm he can come up with is "Yeah, right! Sure! I buy that!" when our Jack would surely have said something funny!
- Alternate Major Davis seemed kinda creepy to me, somehow. Maybe it's the mustache.
- Samuels!! Now here is a character I wasn't expecting to see again, ever (Or at least I wouldn't if I hadn't read those darn spoilers.) - alternate timeline or not! It's been almost seven years since we saw him, and here he is, just popping up just like that...
- Obviously, the name of Jack's boat is yet another 'The Simpsons' reference, but I wonder if Sam's line about her being worried about stepping on a bug and changing the future is not also a reference to Homer doing just that in 'Treehouse of Horror V'?

Great, great fun! Bring on part two!


http://photobucket.com/albums/v413/uglypig/thumbsup.gif

Skydiver
February 18th, 2005, 10:10 AM
- Does anyone else really like alternate "geeky" Sam?


mememememe!!!!!!!!

raises hands and jumps

geek sam was totally PRECIOUS

her expressions were so open unlike our sam who tends to be rather guarded

i do think it's telling that she was the first one to have a realistic idea of how they'd be treated (ie kept around until they weren't needed then kicked out the door)

geek sam also has MAJOR self esteem issues poor thing

oh, and mckay, excuse me, Mr Fantastic :) was right, she does have the 'sexy librarian' thing down

Mr Prophet
February 18th, 2005, 10:17 AM
Random observations!
- Is alternate McKay a bigger jerk than "our" version, or does it just seem that way because he's not the central character here and thus we're not rooting for him?

I saw 48 Hours after I'd seen Redemption: The latter title could have applied to McKay as much as anyone because I was stunned by how much more of a jerk he was in his first appearance. I think admitting to Sam that he was brilliant but would never be a genius must have been terrific therapy.


- Lemon chicken is alternate McKay's favorite! Classic!! :D


Does the presence of a ZPM on the planet increase the risk of deadly citrus fruit allergies? Surely a study must be commissioned.


- Anyone else notice that alternate Jack lacked our Jack's ability to quip? Notice how the best sarcasm he can come up with is "Yeah, right! Sure! I buy that!" when our Jack would surely have said something funny!

Well, he never had the Abydos mission to get over losing Charlie. Sounds like they did a pretty good job of changing characters for their situations, especially if you read Sam's reproductive organs fiasco in Children as an ill-advised response to fifteen years of beating her head against macho crap.

These days, I assume she'd just heard back from Jonas Hanson for the first time in a year so she was spoiling for a fight and not at her best.

KatG
February 18th, 2005, 10:19 AM
- Does anyone else really like alternate "geeky" Sam?


mememememe!!!!!!!!

raises hands and jumps



*waves hand in the air*

Me too. I thought she was great. Very, very funny.

I also liked that even though the time line changed she and Daniel immediately had that same bond that they had in COTG.