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Daniel must once again decide whether to risk death or ascend when Oma Desala gives him a second chance. O'Neill and Carter struggle with their respective personal relationships.

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Skydiver
February 8th, 2005, 09:08 AM
according to my math, this should be airing in a couple of hours over on the east side of the pond

have fun and please remember the spoiler space in the rest of the forum...some of us wont' get to see this one for a while

enjoy ;)

raeble
February 8th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Are they trying to get rid of Pete or something? 'Cos he's coming off like a real dick insulting his future father-in-law and not even realising. :rolleyes:

Lord Zedd
February 8th, 2005, 11:52 AM
this is what happend so far and I don't know if there is need for a spoiler but anyhow I put it in here :D
Opening Teaser
Previously on - recap of Sam and Jack best moments!!!!!!! Setting the relationship up in back context!!! OMG - includes the care about her speech etc all the best moments although also a couple of Spud boy scenes including the proposal yuk!
Recap of Daniel and his previous ascension and his death in Reckoning
Recap of Reckoning action

New Action
Cut to Baal in front of Anubis.
Anubis threatens and says he will destroy all universe

After titles. Sam comes to see Jack. Hes with Kerry in his office. Same waits til Kerry leaves

Sam wants to talk Daniel and thinks hes lost ie possibily dead.
Jack won't discuss. Says he reckons he'll come back and hes not having a memorial service yet!!

Cut to Daniel entering a dinner.
Sits down. Oma is waitress.

Cut to Tikara and all the Jaffa. Bratac and Tealc get special honour conveyed on them. All Jaffa bow to them but Bratac says get up no Jaffa will bow to false gods or others again.

End first act!!

the dancer of spaz
February 8th, 2005, 12:00 PM
Come on, guys. :P I'm dyin' here. ;)

Caz? Oh, Ca-az? Where are you? :D

Alberon
February 8th, 2005, 12:08 PM
The Daniel bit. Isn't that set an in-joke? It's the Wafflehouse from Dead Like Me. Daniel even sits where the group in DLM always do, and he ordered waffles.

Wayan
February 8th, 2005, 12:46 PM
Currently adverts and all I can say is Dayum!

When I work out how to do spoiler tags will probably say more, but adverts arn't that long so will have to wait til after the show.

immhotep
February 8th, 2005, 12:59 PM
i just finished watching threads and i dont think it as good as it could of been! sorry but the storys arnt really tied up and i have a feeling they wont be for a while. the assended bit are ok SPOILERS *but danielsapperation in a cuboard at the end not that great - comical but not the awe inspiring asneded thing that i expected, in my opinion it should have been reckoning part 3/4 because the good bit only tied up the loose end from that episode*

shout at me all you want it my opinion!

Catysg1
February 8th, 2005, 07:16 PM
I loved Threads and all of it ...It was very emotional and well done :)

Thank you TPTB :)

I loved the Daniel scenes and the Sam & Jack scenes , the Sam & Jacob scenes even the Pete & sam scenes and the Kerry & Jack scenes ..and I enjoyed bratac and Teal'c at the SGC :)

I also loved the humor in that episode :)

Nothing else to say : 10/10

Caty :)

keshou
February 8th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Jeez, did the squees from the shippers break the board?? *g*

What did everyone think??

Aadizookaan
February 8th, 2005, 08:02 PM
What did everyone think??

Well, I'm floored. There's implied sex, there's ceremony, there's death, there's deception, there's break-ups, there's make-ups, there's the big bad revelation, there's the big bad others (who by the way are quite stuck-up), there's a big bad fight, there's nakedness, there's ship, and then there is what we have all been waiting for FISHING.

So, what do I think? Humm, its darn good, nay, better, hot darn excellent.

Oma: What can I get for you?
Daniel: Let's see, the truth, with a side order of clarity.

What she said afterwards had me laughing out loud.

Ancient
February 8th, 2005, 08:17 PM
Jesus will someone just tell me what happened or give me the address of a script. I cant wait to till freaking march to see this, please a DETAILED PLOT outline NOW!!!!.. .please and I'll take a side order of quickly...oh to be hypo-glysemic,(bites into a Hershey's bar) alright better please!!!!!!!!!! tell me

Madeleine
February 8th, 2005, 08:26 PM
This was every bit the curate's Egg. It would have been a top notch ep if it had ditched the love life stuff.

Teal'c and Bra'tac had some nice feelgood stuff. Pretty unimaginative, but moved the storyline along. It was nice that while Bra'tac was called "Bra'tac of Chulak" by another Jaffa, Teal'c was called "Teal'c of the Tauri" and not perjoratively :)

Daniel's stuff was great. Good acting from MS, and from Oma and 'Jim'. I liked the mix of a little weirdness, a bit of mystery, and Daniel banging his head against a brick wall for a while.

Oma was uncharacteristically riddleless, although it still didn't mean she told Daniel anything. She waffled a lot :p . I got the feeling that the whole not-wanting-DJ-to-talk-to-Jim thing was an act; I think she knew that Daniel wouldn't choose ascension again when there was a galaxy in peril and I think she was hoping that Daniel could be the one to get through to The Others about the importance of stopping Anubis. I think by the time she challenged Anubis Daniel *had* said enough to convince The Others that it was all necessarry; after all he was sent back to his human life when their rules would surely have been that he'd have to die, or ascend on his own.

The lovelife stuff was dire though. Sam dumped Pete, fair enough, I'm all in favour of dumping if it's necessary to prevent a future divorce. But to sneer at his (mature and very sweet) reaction to being dumped? What a cow.

I think it's a terrible shame that Jacob/Selmak has died. I would do anyway, but even more so since he's been sacrificed on the altar of J/S ship. Did they *really* kill one of the best characters on the show just so he could give Sam some shippy last words?

Jack looked comfy and happy with Kerry, and tense and stiff whenever Sam was around. I still don't see one jot of ship coming from him. Weird, cos I was actually looking for it this time, it would have made Sam seem less... lame.

I'm afraid Sam suffers as much as she did in Gemini and in Grace, here. She's a cow towards the adoring ex-fiance whose heart she has just crushed, and when Daniel, (the chap she wanted to hold a memorial service for on account of thinking him dead) turns out to be alive she can't even manage a smile. She screws up her face as if she's smelling something bad. It's pretty much a nail in the coffin. V depressing, s8 had been pretty good for her except for Gemini.

The last couple of scenes were nice. Daniel descends in Jack's office, naked, while everyone is in the briefing room. Jack gives him a nice big flag. Daniel says "long story". V funny.

And then they all go fishing. Sweet.

snappy
February 8th, 2005, 08:29 PM
Jesus will someone just tell me what happened or give me the address of a script. I cant wait to till freaking march to see this, please a DETAILED PLOT outline NOW!!!!.. .please and I'll take a side order of quickly...oh to be hypo-glysemic,(bites into a Hershey's bar) alright better please!!!!!!!!!! tell me
Amen sister (or brother).

Please, please, PLEASE can we get some details about this.

Klorel
February 8th, 2005, 08:39 PM
I think it would be cool if Daniel did ascend again. Then he could could use the advantage of having things pass through him. Daniel could then appear in the presence of some of Ba'als warriors and command them to kill him. They would obey him because they could not kill him. Daniel could use them to defend Earth.

I know it sounds a little crazy, but I think it would be really cool. :D :cool:

Sunkissed_stargate_traveller
February 8th, 2005, 08:55 PM
Well, I'm floored. There's implied sex, there's ceremony, there's death, there's deception, there's break-ups, there's make-ups, there's the big bad revelation, there's the big bad others (who by the way are quite stuck-up), there's a big bad fight, there's nakedness, there's ship, and then there is what we have all been waiting for FISHING.


O man that sounds like a really great ep .. pitty i wont see it for ages ... any more details ppl?? :D

Michelle05
February 8th, 2005, 09:10 PM
O man that sounds like a really great ep .. pitty i wont see it for ages ... any more details ppl?? :D

I haven't seen it yet myself but here is a detailed synopsis with lots of the dialog: SDF synopsis of Threads (http://www.stargatedanielfriendly.net/html/threadssynopsis.php)

DigiFluid
February 8th, 2005, 09:40 PM
Good episode, rushed ending. Way too many stories to try and wrap up in the last 10 minutes of the episode.

Sunkissed_stargate_traveller
February 8th, 2005, 09:41 PM
I haven't seen it yet myself but here is a detailed synopsis with lots of the dialog: SDF synopsis of Threads (http://www.stargatedanielfriendly.net/html/threadssynopsis.php)

Thanks ... the rest of the site is interesting too .. :)

SBacklin
February 8th, 2005, 09:49 PM
SPOILERS
















So what happens to Oma? Does she get punished? Or does she still live or die?

sky_blue_waters
February 8th, 2005, 09:56 PM
I loved Threads and all of it ...It was very emotional and well done :)

Thank you TPTB :)

I loved the Daniel scenes and the Sam & Jack scenes , the Sam & Jacob scenes even the Pete & sam scenes and the Kerry & Jack scenes ..and I enjoyed bratac and Teal'c at the SGC :)

I also loved the humor in that episode :)

Nothing else to say : 10/10

Caty :)
if Caty gives it a 10 out of 10; then i'm jumping for joy!!!:) if I see sour grapes from the you know whos then I'm doing freakin' cartwheels!!!:)

Dimeron
February 8th, 2005, 10:05 PM
SPOILERS
















So what happens to Oma? Does she get punished? Or does she still live or die?


I got the impression that Oma and "Jim" is locked in an eternal struggle. Where no one can win. So both of them are effectively trapped.

Doing_the_impossible
February 8th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Wel i must say that this episode is definately one of my favourites it was a very good one, albeit flawed.

SPOILERS

How Oma took out Anubis felt a little anit-climactic IMO and the killing off of Jacob/Selmac was purely for ship, heck it was practically a deus ex machina just to finally bring Sam and Jack together. But my favourite moment was the ending, simply for the sweetness of it and, of course, the ship. This is the very first time ever in SG1 that I have enjoyed watching ship-simply because after this episode I think we can expect it never to happen again! This is obviously the end to the whole darn thing so never again will we have to sit through another tentative look, another akward silence, another "Grace" Hallelujah!!

SBacklin
February 8th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Sounds possible. The Ancients are really pissing me off. I do understand their highest law (not interfering in coporial matters) because once you open that door, in a literal sense, all hell would break loose. At the same time and this is why I am pissed, is why don't they realize Anubis is using knowledge of Ancient technology that he got while he got ascended and using that in coporial matters. They should know that no one has the technology to stop him. They should've wiped Anubis out a long time ago and let Oma to continue what she was doing (helping others find enlightenment (ascend)) and everyone else go on their merry way. I really do hope Oma isn't dead or trapped or descened somewhere.

SPOILERS down below SPOILERS











They killed Jacob/Selmak, DAMMIT! He was my favorite character. I just wonder what killed him.

SBacklin
February 8th, 2005, 10:14 PM
Okay, another question. Sorry for my ignorance but what the hell is ship or shippers thing everyone keeps on mentioning?

Doing_the_impossible
February 8th, 2005, 10:17 PM
Okay, another question. Sorry for my ignorance but what the hell is ship or shippers thing everyone keeps on mentioning?

Ship refers to romantic relationSHIPs or feelings characters have in the show, or in fandom. In this case its referring to the cursed Sam/Jack pairing, the most popular 'ship' (though I don't agree)

SPOILIERS

which finally gets put to bed in this one *phew!*

Dimeron
February 8th, 2005, 10:24 PM
Sounds possible. The Ancients are really pissing me off. I do understand their highest law (not interfering in coporial matters) because once you open that door, in a literal sense, all hell would break loose. At the same time and this is why I am pissed, is why don't they realize Anubis is using knowledge of Ancient technology that he got while he got ascended and using that in coporial matters. They should know that no one has the technology to stop him. They should've wiped Anubis out a long time ago and let Oma to continue what she was doing (helping others find enlightenment (ascend)) and everyone else go on their merry way. I really do hope Oma isn't dead or trapped or descened somewhere.



I think the other ancients are happy with the result. First they got ride of Oma, whose constant attempt to help other ascend must get on their nerves. Then they got ride off Annibus, which I don't think many of them liked but had to tolerate due to the law/rule whatever.

One thing that never made sense to me, is why, if Annibus is going to wipe out all life from the galaxy, even bothered giving the planet to Rebel Jaffs in the first place. If he’s just going to wipe everything out, dose it really matter if all rebel Jaff are gathered at the same place? I mean sure, he got the dial all gate trick from baal, but that’s an awful big risk he took there.

Lastly, I was kinda hoping to see baal in a final desperate attempt to stop annibus, just to save himself (and rest of the galaxy as a bonus), buying enough time for Ome to finally put an end ot Annibus once and for all.

MagnoliaAnaglypta
February 8th, 2005, 10:44 PM
What did everyone think??


I think it was utter drivel, and I don't care enough about it - or any of the characters actually left alive, at this point, to say any more about it than that.

utter, utter, shallow adolescent nonsense.

raeble
February 8th, 2005, 11:02 PM
Ok I'm going to try and do a recap of what happened, I may miss stuff out. I don't think I should need a spoiler space.




The episode starts with a recap of the s/j relationship it seemed to me- Zatarc testing, when she's trapped behind the force field etc. Clips from d&c,grace, chimera, affinity - Daniel ascending again.

Anibus - who's new body is starting to look scabby again, tells Ba'al that he knows what he did and is going to use his modifications to the stargate to destroy the galaxy.

Sam comes in the briefing room to talk to Jack but sees him with a woman in his office and looks uncomfortable. He waves her in as he gets rid of the woman. Carter is curious to who she is - Kerry Johnson CIA, heading up the investigation into the missing goa'uld. Carter talks to Jack about Daniel but Jack is refusing to have a memorial service because he's not going to be tricked into believing that Daniel is dead. He thinks that Daniel will come in the door right at that moment, of course they both watch the door and nothing happens.

Meanwhile Daniel enters a diner, sitting down in an empty seat. His waitress is Oma.
The Jaffa lead by Isaac Hayes, honor Teal'c and Bratac for what they've done. Bractac tells them that Jaffa will never bow before anyone again.

Carter is waiting by the lift, Pete steps out. He's really hyper about his clearance pass and is he going to go through the gate? Carter says no, opens a door and there is Jacob sitting down. Carter didn't tell Pete because she didn't want him to be nervous. Jacob says that it was Carter who was nervous. There's a long silence while Jacbo looks at Pete. Pete breaks the silence by asking Jacob if having the snake in his head doesn't freak him out. It was all very uncomfortable.

In the diner Daniel asks her if he's dead. She says it's up to him. Daniel isn't sure if it's real, Oma answers in a riddle. Daniel orders waffles.

Bratac tells Teal'c that the balance of power is shifting but Teal'c isn't convinced that freedom for all Jaffa is in their hands. The speak on mistrust and loyalty among Jaffa.

A guy comes into the Diner and says he knows Daniel. Hands him a paper - it's says that Daniel Jackson is undecided.

In the sgc Carter eating with her father. She asks him why they haven't spoken about Pete. Selmek likes Pete and he's happy if she's happy.

Jack is woken by a phone call from Carter, Teal'c is back and he needs to come him. He's in bed with Kerry Johnson and kisses her before he leaves to get dressed.

Back in the diner Oma tells Daniel that he's at stop on the way to ascension. Daniel reads in a paper - The Ascended Times I think - of Anubis' plans. Seems like the ascended know exactly what is going on in the galaxy as it happens, or before. Hmmm. Oma tells Daniel that he can either choose ascension or he'll be dead if he trys to leave and help his friends. She won't help him ascend again. If he chooses to take human form he will not have any memory of Anubis' plan anyway. He then tries to strike up conversations with the others in the diner but none of them will take to him. He's trying to get some syrup. Oma comes out with the syrup and tells him that they won't talk to him because he's not one of them.

Teal'c, Bratac, Jacob, Jack and Carter are in the briefing room. Jack tells them they should have blown up the ancient weapon when they had the chance. Apparently the Jaffa want to keep it. Neither Jack nor Jacob think this is good idea. Carter's phone goes off and she shuts it off, embarrased. I didn't know phones could work under a mountain - i've got to get me one of them. Mine won't work above ground! Anyway Jack tells Jacob the tokra should take the weapon back because the Jaffa already hate them.

They are interrupted again when Carter is called away with an urgent phone call, Jack watches her while still continuing with the conversation. Jacob mentions that Carter was supposed to be picking flowers for the wedding. Carter is not pleased that he told everyone this. Jack tells Carter to go, there' s nothing she can do and it is her day off.

Oma tells Daniel that she didn't wipe his memories of ascension. She has crossed the line a few times and paid for it.

Carter and Pete are in a car, Pete is his usually chatty self wanting to know jokingly if they are about to get destroyed by aliens. Then he asks seriously. Carter tells him no both times. They were talking about weddings but Carter seemed distant somehow.

Ok I'll update later if no-one else does. I've got to get to work. :(

ElanaM
February 8th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Wel i must say that this episode is definately one of my favourites it was a very good one, albeit flawed.

SPOILERS

How Oma took out Anubis felt a little anit-climactic IMO and the killing off of Jacob/Selmac was purely for ship, heck it was practically a deus ex machina just to finally bring Sam and Jack together. But my favourite moment was the ending, simply for the sweetness of it and, of course, the ship. This is the very first time ever in SG1 that I have enjoyed watching ship-simply because after this episode I think we can expect it never to happen again! This is obviously the end to the whole darn thing so never again will we have to sit through another tentative look, another akward silence, another "Grace" Hallelujah!!


Disagree.

She was already at Jack's house to confess all regarding her feelings for him 'before' she knew Jacob was dying.
(I tried to put this into spoiler mode but it did not work so sorry to anyone who feels 'spoiled')

Agree with everything else though

Anubis
February 8th, 2005, 11:13 PM
An excellent episode, indeed. :)


At first I didn't think the whole 60's diner stuff would actually work out -- but it did. :D It was great. The Ascended Times just made me laugh. Them knowing everything Anubis was doing - and then finding out that Jim was Anubis. ;) That come to a surprise, and I didn't expect that at all. Nice twist! :)

So now Oma has taken on Anubis and destroyed him -- I wonder what will become of Oma. :S I'm sure she will be back, with a new punishment for breaking the rules - or perhaps Oma will also have to descend, but I don't think anyone will be ascending for some time. ;)

The whole situation between Dakara [yes, that's the correct spelling], the SGC, the Rebel Jeffa and the weapon was great. Good knowing Teal'c and Bra'tac were on Earth, together, trying to come to some kind of agreement. :) Now Anubis has gone, he can't get the weapon. :D

That does leave me to wonder -- Is Ba'al still alive after Anubis was killed - or was he too perhaps captured? Interesting. ;)


Of course, leaving the best 'til last. :) Sam and Jack are FINALLY together! I though the last scene was great, Sam and Jack finally fishing in the pond with no fish. :P It was brilliant. Then Daniel and Teal'c appear at the side of the house. I'm just finally happy Sam and Jack are together. :D

Complete 10/10, totally. :)

Silent Todd
February 8th, 2005, 11:46 PM
Ok, I am a huge Stargate fan, one that until I saw this episode would have said, I hope the series goes on for even longer. But then I saw Threads, one of the greatest episodes I've seen yet. True to the name, it ties up so much that I think it would have made a great end to the series. I honestly don't know what the new threat they're going to introduce is going to be, but I don't really care anymore. Threads and Reckoning take care of Anubis and the Replicator threat in our galaxy, and to a degree, Baal with the Jaffa uprising. The Jaffa are now essentially free, the galaxy is for the most part free of evil, and we got a good look at ascention and the Ancients. Moebius is going to have to be pretty damn good to top these last few episodes. And as for Season 9? I don't know that there's much more that I want from the series that needs to be explained in a whole new season.

Shep'sSocks
February 9th, 2005, 12:06 AM
That does leave me to wonder -- Is Ba'al still alive after Anubis was killed - or was he too perhaps captured? Interesting. ;)

Since I don't care for the Daniel/Oma stuff nor the Jack/Sam stuff, can anyone tell me what happened with Baal? I gather he wasn't in it much (damn!) but would like to know some details.

Baal should get his own show.

okigirl
February 9th, 2005, 12:08 AM
I agree - I've waited all season for this episode and thought it was fantastic... Can't wait to watch it again

G0t3nks
February 9th, 2005, 12:11 AM
I loved anubis being that guy in the cafe because I didnt expect it, but also wouldnt that mean anubis should know everything the ancients know if he is still able to access theirt knowledge? although Oma did say there are many different levels inbetween ascended and human so maybe he cant fully access it but can get into that cafe

estelle
February 9th, 2005, 12:11 AM
Love the ep (ok so I haven't seen it yet, but I've read all those spoilers and it sounds soooo promising);

Pete is GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Jacob died, *sniff*, *sniff*, *sob* :(

S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J S/J :D :D :D :D

A huge hug for all TPTB that were involved,
LG Estelle

Imzadi
February 9th, 2005, 12:18 AM
This is without a doubt my new favourite episode. I loved this :)

The first sign of a good episode for me personally is when I can sit through the whole thing and not be bored at all. I loved every single minute of Threads. To be honest, I didn't think i'd enjoy Daniel's ascension bits as I am typically not a Daniel fan, but I was engrossed in this aspect of the story as well (although to me, Oma seemed a bit off). So the Jaffa finally have their freedom. Good for them, it was a long time coming. "Teal'c of the Tauri" - very cute :D I was incredibly sad to see Jacob/Selmak go. He was my favourite reccuring character and I always enjoyed his interactions with Sam, and indeed Jack.

And speaking of Sam and Jack...wow. The first episode I ever really watched was Grace and I was a Shipper instantly, so to bring SJ together and makes references from Grace was, for me, perfect. And there was even fishing :D The scene where Jacob died was bittersweet, and I will admit that a few tears did escape me (I am now certain there is a correlation between my crying and seeing Amanda cry), but i'm just a big wuss for stuff like that anyway :o


Once again, I loved this episode. I will watch it many, many times.

addy4488
February 9th, 2005, 12:29 AM
I agree, but I honestly think that a new threat in Season 9 will herald "an offshoot" if you like, in direction for the show.
I think we'll even see less of Jack now in S9 and wouldn't be surprised if he retires to set up home with Sam! :D
BB is joining the show and IMO, that will change the show for good. It's hard to think what type of new threat can be introduced though, because it will have to be something sprung on them from nowhere.

I think that because of actions in Moebius, they somehow "create" themselves an enemy in the current timeline by altering the past, I can't see a new enemy coming from any other way.

addy4488
February 9th, 2005, 12:35 AM
OK, so I have to admit, I loved Threads, it was a very good show, especially now Sam got rid of Pete and Carrie did the right thing in leaving Jack, but for me, it didn't clear things up properly.

Did Sam and Jack get together in the end? When they were sat fishing, I thought it was jus them 2 but then Daniel and Teal'c showed up.

Oma said that neither her or Daniel could kill Anubis, so why the hell did she stand up and proclaim "But I can fight you"??? What the hell does this do if she can't kill him?
Does this mean she has sacrificed herself to somehow kill him, contradicting what she said earlier, or have the other ancients stepped in and killed them both.

And who put Daniel back into human form? Does he remember all the stuff from the diner, cos he shouted to the other "No, thats not what happened", indicating he does. I'm also assuming he has no further ancients knowledge, other than what he learned from replicarter, because he didn't actually ascend this time.

So to sum up, can anybody tell me these answers

1. Did Sam & Jack ACTUALLY get together
2. What happened to Oma and how has she "apparently" killed Anubis

Sia
February 9th, 2005, 12:35 AM
I absolutely loved this episode! Don't want to say too much - even with the Spolier in the title, because this is one episode I would encourage everyone not to spoil on themselves! Everything the writers and directors did was just right in my opinion - nothing too over the top or out of place and just goes to prove once again that the Stargate production team do it best.

Whatever happens with Jack going forward, they have already proved with the MS situation that they can make it work if a major character moved on and I have every confidence in another brilliant season ahead!

cybersyd
February 9th, 2005, 12:37 AM
I loved this episode, but the more I think about it, the more I think it should have been a straight two-parter and even a show finale (show, not season!).

Enough threads were tied up - the Jaffa finally getting freedom, the Big Bad being killed/locked in eternal struggle with Oma, the entire galaxy getting saved (it's going to be pretty hard for them to top that one!) - but there were enough loose ends to let the audience invent their own stories (how will the Jaffa cope under their own nation? Is Ba'al still out there? And will Jack retire as Fed woman suggested so he can finally have Sam?)

But where was the action? Yes, a lot happened, and I realise that in the past couple of weeks it's been non stop fighting, but then we get two huge events in this ep - Anubis attacking the Jaffa rebels, and then the 'death' of Anubis himself. The first occurs off-screen and the second is an anti-climatic burst of bright light. It would have been nice if they'd intercut between Jim/Oma and Anubis/host dying and his soldiers all, um, stopping, or whatever happened to them. And some explanation of what happened to Ba'al.

The fishing bit was fantastic, I squeed out loud when I saw Sam sat next to Jack, and I'm not even a shipper! Poor Pete though. He deserves better. He deserves me! (if I wasn't sick and fluey and full of snot at the moment. Kind of a turn-off).

Sha're
February 9th, 2005, 12:42 AM
Well I really enjoyed this episode. Although I can understand some people's views that it was "slow". But having watched SG1 since the beginning, you grow to care about the characters.... each "thread" of the story deals with different characters and is important in its own right. So I think this episode for one for the "fans" - answered a lot of questions.
Poor Jacob/Selmak :( But as he said he lived an exciting last few years.
Poor Pete - NOT. The guy was a big wuss.
Is that what Anubis really looks like - eh? That was fantastic when he turned out to be "Jim"
Hooray for this episode and roll on next week!!

Ps - I notice some people spoiler tagging their posts, but I am sure that someone said if you're in an episode thread you dont need spoiler warnings. However, if I'm wrong sorry.

WraithWarrior
February 9th, 2005, 12:42 AM
I too thought this and the two previous episodes were the best that ive ever seen, but why did they kill off Anubis? thats if they did. If so, it was the worst thing they did and I couldnt believe it. Anubis is the most powerful Gou'ald of all time and they kill him just like that. No way, Anubis has got to survive somewhere and be hiding until he has the power to attack again.

Please dont kill Anubis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WraithWarrior
February 9th, 2005, 12:47 AM
It looked like sam and jack got together and that will probably be the story in S9 why Jack will be away so much.

I hope Anubis didnt die because he is so cool and powerful that it would be a shame to kill him. I hope they make it so that Anubis comes back.

Albion
February 9th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Well.

Okay, first of all, I have to start this post with an apology to all P/S fans. I can sympathise with how you're feeling this morning, because I know how I'd be feeling if the triangle had been resolved in the opposite direction. But as a J/S shipper myself, I'm going to have to celebrate that finally this mess has been brought to a conclusion. Personally, I don't think I could have borne it if the Pete thing had carried through to S9. It was dragged out way beyond being funny as it was. You might want to skip this post.

So. What was good about this episode [in no particular order]:

* Kerry. I really liked Kerry. She was sweet, nice, and, unlike Laira [spit], I could see why Jack would be attracted to her. I actually enjoyed the scene with them in bed together. Jack was just adorable in the way he interacted with her there. Which is a nice glimpse into what Sam can expect in the future. If she's lucky. And smart. :D I wouldn't mind at all seeing more of Kerry in S9. It would be nice if she and Sam got to be close friends too. I liked that she and Jack parted on amicable terms. Jack was adorable in that scene too. <g>

* Nekkid Daniel. Oma sure does have a thing for seeing our boy nekkid, don't she? :p Well, who can blame her? Man, he is hot with a capital H.O.T sans clothes! Whew. /me wipes the drool off the screen and carries on. Sam not knowing where to look, Teal'c's expression was a picture. Bra'tac nodding and smiling, apparently in approval. Though what he'd be approving, I can't imagine. LOL. Jack and Daniel's interaction there was very cute too. Loved Jack taking half a second to think about using the US flag before deciding maybe that was a bad idea and going for the other one instead.

* And, yes, Sam finally [Finally! Finally! Hallelujah!] saying goodbye to Pete. A poignant little scene and I did feel sorry for him. Especially when he started welling up at the end. But I never felt he was right for her – for a whole slew of reasons that go beyond my preference for Sam and Jack – and so I did have a moment of running around the room in excited little circles, yelling "YES!!" at the top of my lungs. And now that I know for absolute certain that he's no threat to Jack, I can go back and really enjoy all those Pete moments in previous episodes. In fact, I anticipate that there are a few S7 episodes I'm going to be enjoying a heck of a lot more when I get the boxed set at the end of the month, than I did on first showing.

* Jacob putting his foot in it in the briefing room re the flowers. And, given that we later find out that he's known all along how Jack and Sam feel about each other, that innocent little "What?" at the end, when he clearly knew exactly what he was doing, is hilarious.

* All of the ship. <happy sigh> Choked up, of course, during the vigil in the observation room. A beautifully constructed, poignant little scene, that really affirmed the core of Sam and Jack's relationship. That it goes beyond simple attraction or desire, and into the depths of solid friendship:

Sam: Thank you, sir.
Jack: For what?
Sam: For being here for me.
Jack: [pause] Always.

Also loved that this dialogue was a subtle little tieback to the end scene in the infirmary in Grace, where Sam also thanks Jack, but doesn't say what for. Plus, we got Jack's trademark, 'C'mere'. <g> What else could you ask for? ;)

* All of the scenes where Pete was beginning to irritate Sam or get in her way. I won't dwell, because I know that what I found amusing, P/S fans were probably grinding their teeth over. But did like Jacob's reactions:

Sam: It's been two hours since Pete left and you haven't said one word.
Jacob: I did.
Sam: 'He seems nice'?!
Jacob: I think that's three words.

and from the scene where they go see the house:

Pete: You have to see the yard. It's great. The dog's gonna love it.
Sam: [dismayed] Dog?

And the scene in the briefing room where he interrupted the meeting by phoning her. Loved Jack surreptitiously watching her there. And the way the eyebrows shot up when Jacob said 'wedding'. Like it was an involuntary response he couldn't control. LOL.

And that's all I'm saying about losing Pete. I swear.

* Oma and Daniel. Now normally the whole Oma/Daniel/Ascended stuff doesn’t do a lot for me. I did think that a few of the diner scenes could have been cut and I wouldn't have missed them – it was a little repetitive at times – but for the most part I enjoyed them. Anubis – that total git! Grrrrrrrrrrr.

* The attack on the gate, the self-destruct counting down, Jack, Sam and Walter's reactions – all of that was good. It was nice to see a little bit of action in a long episode that was mostly talk.

* Jacob/Selmac dying. Now, I hesitate to put this in the what's good column. These are two of my favourite characters and boy was I ticked when I realised TPTB were killing them off. Totally. And I really deplore this trend they've gotten into over the last few years, where it seems as though as soon as they get a sniff of the fact that this might be their last season, they immediately go, "Hey, cool! Right – how many beloved characters can we massacre before the final episode?" Bleah. Makes me mad. But, you know, although I'm still a little angry and I'll miss them dreadfully, it didn't depress me as much as I thought it would. With the way it was handled, I kind of felt the same way as Sam in the end. I still don't really see that it was necessary or that it had any great benefit to the show. But it did produce some beautiful moments – most especially the scene where Jacob tells Sam not to let rules and regs get in her way and that she can have everything she wants if she really wants it. I was struck by the marked contrast in this advice – given by the real Jacob – compared to the advice the imaginary Jacob in Sam's head gave her in Grace. Nice touch.

* The fishing. The spoilers I'd read had this tagged as a possible end scene for Mobius, so I was surprised to see it. But loved it. Jack and Sam looked so relaxed together and loved Daniel's reaction to Jack casting. LOL.

What was to dislike about this episode:

* The fact that that dopey SKY announcer still can't pronounce Teal'c. I swear, if she says T'alc one more time....I won't be responsible for my actions. Someone send that woman a pronunciation list!

* Erm...that's about it, I think. Oh, found the Jaffa scenes kind of boring, I guess. Except for that lovely little moment on the ship between Bra'tac and Teal'c. Mercifully, Isaac Hayes was only in it minimally. I do think they made a wise decision in wrapping up the Jaffa in the main. They had steadily lost their fear factor over the years and now don't induce any tension or suspense in me at all when they appear. I noted that lack especially in IGTBK. So, time to move on, find another enemy to strike terror into the heart. Good plan.

Summary – a bit of a talkie, but some terrific moments for J/S shippers. For this fan, an episode that's warm, funny, poignant, sad, and just plain good. I swear, the last half of this season has produced episodes that are among the best I've ever seen. If they carry this momentum through to S9, we're in for one heck of a continuing journey!

Roll on Mobius!

Albion

Mrs E N Stitz
February 9th, 2005, 12:55 AM
There we were, one mid-40s woman and one 18 year daughter shouting 'Noooo' at the tv.
Ah no more Jack and Sam pleeeese, there's no onscreen chemistry.
For chemistry at least one of the pair needs to look longingly and/or lustfully at the other. How many times has that happened onscreen? Not often.
Disappointing episode, MS was good/excellent but we spotted that Anubis was the other guy in the diner pretty quick. And just how did he get back to earth alive, though strangely hairless. Who sent him back?
Ah yes, that well known ancient, goauld,higher being known as Great Lord Plotte de Vice.
Poor Pete and Poor Jacob and why didn't Jack go to talk to his old friend at his deathbed? And...where was Sam's brother?
Too many holes in this story. I enjoyed the last two as well - here's hoping that next weeks is up to expectations.
Did anyone notice that Threads was filmed in late Spring?

Norma
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Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 01:11 AM
Jeez, did the squees from the shippers break the board?? *g*

What did everyone think??

That was kinda my thought too... ;)

zeta101
February 9th, 2005, 01:11 AM
well she said "i cant kill you, but i can fight you and YOU HAVE to fight me"....think about it, she knew it was at a critical point in the battle, and she forced anubis into some kind of fight, the fact that he was in that half-ascended plane fighting oma meant that he couldnt coordinate his kull warriors or activate the weapon, that was omas intention!

oma wouldnt have killed anubis, but what the others' reaction would have been i do not know.

as for jack and sam, i think the writers deliberatly left it so it wasnt clear cut...id imagine that jack might retire at the end of the series or something so he can shack up with sam :)

ahhhhh, brilliant episode it was...

ancient1978
February 9th, 2005, 01:12 AM
When Oma says..I can fight you..I think it means that he will be occupaied with fighting Oma and he could not control that Kull (or how do you write) warriors and can't be halfasnded in mean time. On the end they talk that warriors become disoriented and so...

She has all the time in space o anubis can't retourn unles she stops fighting him.



Looks like zeta was faster for a minute with similar answer.. :) ;)

Albion
February 9th, 2005, 01:21 AM
I was kind of expecting more of an explosion myself. I guess the P/S shippers are probably sunk in a state of depression and the anti-shippers are still foaming at the mouth, so they can't type yet.

Must admit that I had almost decided not to come post myself on this one. Kind of feels mean going on about how much you enjoyed an episode when the reason you enjoyed it is a source of angst for another section of fans. Feels like rubbing in the pain really.

But then my brain started composing a post and when it gets down to that, I know it's not going to let up till I write it down. So...there you are. Don't shoot me. I'm a J/S shipper, so I loved it.

I've now read the other posts. Interesting. I don't have time to go back and hook out some of Madelaine's quotes. But I find it fascinating how two people can watch the same scene and get so much difference out of it. I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of Sam's behaviour. :D

As regards Sam's not being able to summon up a smile when Daniel returned. I didn't see any grimace. I saw someone embarrassed at being confronted with a half naked colleague and not knowing where to put her eyes. And come on - give the woman a break. She's in mourning. Her father just died. I'd have trouble working up to a smile too. In fact, one thing I did feel about that scene was that Sam was too upbeat and there should have been a more sombre beat to it, considering that Jacob/Selmac had just shuffled off the mortal coil. But, of course, that would have been hard to fit in, in a lightly comic scene.

Nor did I see what you did in the scene with Pete. I saw a woman who had - with good cause - expected her fiance to be angry with her decision. Most men would have reacted that way and struck out at Sam because they were wounded. I saw a woman who was surprised and taken aback that he was being so understanding and was a little overwhelmed by that generosity of spirit and caught off balance. She probably had all kinds of things worked out in her head that she was going to say in response to anger - what she expected. But since she hadn't expected another reaction from him, she was suddenly at a loss as to how to respond. And by the time she was over that confusion, Pete was already leaving, so she'd little chance to pull it together.


I agree with the poster who wanted to see Jack say his goodbyes to Jacob. Considering how close they've been over the years, it was a little bit of an omission. But then we all know that Jack's not really comfortable with the whole deathbed confession stuff. And, hey, I guess that's always what fanfic is for. ;) Filling in those missing moments.

Not even gonna touch Norma's lack of sparks. :p :D Again, fascinating how people can see things differently. I could never see a sign of any sparkage between Pete and Sam - but I know many fans thought it was lighting up the sky with fireworks when they were on screen. So it comes as no surprise that the opposite is true between what I see when Jack and Sam are on screen together and what others do.

For myself, what I've always loved especially about the Jack and Sam relationship in SG1 was that it was refreshingly subtle. For the most part. <g> I liked that it was all in the eyes or the tone of voice and that sometimes you had to look hard for it before recognising it was there. That's what's always made it so appealing for me. But, of course, as with all aspects of the show - YMMV. :D
Albion :)

Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 01:24 AM
Good episode, rushed ending. Way too many stories to try and wrap up in the last 10 minutes of the episode.

How exactly was the ending rushed? The entire episode was 20 minutes longer than usual. I don't think they intended to wrap everything up.

Anubis' fate is implied - he and Oma are locked in eternal conflict.

Daniel will explain what he knows/remembers off camera. No real point to rehash what the audience is already aware of.

Jacob's death scenes were drawn out long enough.

Jack and Sam's feelings for each other still have to be worked out and reach their logical conclusion. The fact that she finally accepted his invitation to "go fishing" with him says a lot. The fact that Teal'c and Daniel are there to chaperone their "first date" means they're still not ready to come right out and profess their love for each other.

raeble
February 9th, 2005, 01:25 AM
Recap continued - I've probably missed stuff out and mucked up the order of a few things. So apologies in advance. :D

Daniel is still in the diner watching everyone; he gets talking to the fat old guy that told they me when was ascended before. Daniel tells him that he can’t stand by a let Anubis destroy everything. The old guy jumps up and yells that they should stop Anubis. Someone should do something about it.

Carter gets out of the car with her eyes closed; Pete has a surprise for her. When she opens her eyes, they are standing in front of a house with a for sale sign. Pete is really excited (when isn’t he); he doesn’t notice that Sam isn’t as excited. His mistakes her shock for something else. He rushes off, telling her that she has to see the back yard and the dog will love it. As he leaves a confused Carter saying, “Dog?”

The old guy and Daniel are talking about why Daniel gave up ascension. The guy tells Daniel to ask Oma why he decided to take human form again.

Carter is sitting in a car in a driveway, she gets out and walks round the side of the house. Where we see Jack cooking some meat on the bbq, did I say cooking? I meant burning. Jack asks Carter why she’s there. Carter says that she has been sitting in his driveway for ten minutes, trying to work up the courage for a lot longer. She thinks she’s making a mistake marrying Pete. Jack doesn’t know what to say. She’s about to say something else when they are interrupted by Kerry coming out talking to Jack about not being able to find something. Kerry and Carter are introduced. Kerry notes, “This is awkward.” Jack didn’t want anyone at the sgc to know about them. Kerry tells Carter that she may as well stay now that she’s here. Carter gets a phone call – her father is ill and she needs to get back to the base.

Oma asks Daniel what’s holding him back from ascending.

Jacob is in the infirmary. He tells Carter that Selmeck is dying; he should have died weeks ago. He’s in a coma, has been since the temple. Jacob is dying. He didn’t want to spoil the wedding for her but he’s held out as long as he can.

Daniel is talking to the old guy about ascension. Seems to be a common theme! He asks the old guy how Anubis managed to partially ascend. The old guy says that it is possible that Oma helped him. Oma overhears the conversation and kicks the old guy out. You get the impression he isn’t her favourite person.

Carter can’t understand why the Tokra aren’t helping but apparently it’s too late for the symbiote when to be removed. Jacob should have died years ago. He tells Sam not to let rules stand in her way. That she joined the Air Force because of him. She disagrees with this. He tells her that she can still have everything she wants.

Jack is in his office, Kerry asks about Jacob as she walks in and closes the door. Kerry tells him that they are good together; he agrees but senses a but. She says he has issues, which is ok, but there is one big issue that she doesn’t think she can get over. They’ll still be able to work together? Because she really doesn’t want to request a transfer. She goes to leave but then asks if the Air Force is the only thing keeping them apart. Why doesn’t he retire? A civilian has run the sgc before. She leaves him thinking about what she has said.

Daniel confronts Oma on why she helped Anubis. Daniel shouts that Oma has been punished enough. That haven’t enough innocents suffered for their punishment of Oma? They ignore him. We do learn that Daniel or Oma can’t kill Anubis.

Jack joins Carter in the observation room, as she watches over Jacob – the Tokra have arrived by this point. Jack asks her if she’s ok. She’s fine because she’s been closer to her father in the past four years than the rest of her life. Jack puts an arm round her; she rubs his hand and thanks him for being there. He replies that he’ll always be there for her. Jacob calls for Carter, she goes to him and kisses his forehead. He slips away. Jack is watching from the observation room.

Back in the Diner the older guy is back asking Daniel if he’s seen the paper. Anubis will soon get his hands on the weapon. Daniel notices that the guy seems to be getting some perverse sort of pleasure out of all this. It turns out that the fat old guy is Anubis. Boy doesn’t he look really evil laughing manically like that.

Carter and Pete are back at the house that he’s bought. There is now a sold sign on it. They are in the process of breaking up. Carter is surprised that he’s being so – for want of a better word calm about this. He asks her what she wants? Him to get down on his knees and beg. She tells him no. In the end he tells her he hopes she gets what she wants before ripping off the sold sign as he leaves.

Anubis has the weapon; they don’t have time to send through a nuclear bomb. They put up the Iris as something is trying to get through the stargate; it’s an energy signature so they can’t stop it. Jack authorises the self- destruct to be set.

Daniel tries to stop Anubis but he can’t. Oma turns to her proper form – Anubis tells her that she can’t kill him, she agrees but she can stop him. He’ll have to use all his energy to fight her; he won’t be able to do anything else. The both turn into balls of light, as the rest of the diner watch them fighting. Finally something makes them move!

The stargate on earth shuts down suddenly, the self-destruct is still blaring. Jack orders it to be shut off.

No one knows what happened but the Kull warriors were easy to defeat once they didn’t have a leader. The Jaffa have managed to defeat them. Many died; they agree that the weapon should be destroyed. In its place they are going to erect a memorial to the dead. They then here Daniel’s voice, Jack checks that he isn’t the only one that heard it.

He goes to his office, and finds Daniel who tells him not to come in. Jack jumps out. He hovers at the door looking for something, then pulls down a flag and throws it into the room. Daniel emerges holding the flag around his waist. Carter looks at him then looks away quickly, then sneaks a peek again.

We are then at a Cabin, Jacks Cabin. Carter says, “I can’t believe we didn’t do this years ago…” Carter and Jack are sitting together fishing. They cast their lines. Carter says there really aren’t any fish are there? The camera pulls back and we see Daniel and Teal’c coming round the side of the cabin with their stuff. They sit down a little way away from Jack and Sam who are on the dock.

The end.

mancslad08
February 9th, 2005, 01:31 AM
I didn't like it very much. It was OK, but way too overhyped. Thoughts:

* No way did that need to be feature length. It felt like they were dragging out the scenes just to make it fit an hour and a half. As a result, a lof of the conversations felt like they went on forever.

* Jacob/Selmak dying. Ridiculous. His character has been an integral part to the show and thats the send off he gets?!?! Sam's dad just died!! And there she is smiling and fishing at the end. Stupid, he should have stayed alive.

* Anubis. Errr... that's it?!?!?!!? After all that, the Anubis storyline gets thrown out the window just like that?! Sorry but I now wish that he had died the way he did in Lost City. WAY more satisfying.

* No more Pete. Another stupid idea. He was a good guy and the way he was treated by Sam was ridiculous. I bet you anything Jack and Sam aren't even going to get together! TPTB are just going to dance around the issue and tease us every so often like they have done for the past 8 years. Just FINISH the storyline!!!

* Kerry I think her name was. She had what, 2 scenes before she broke up with Jack? I was like.. "Oh, meh didn't really know her".

5/10. Disappointing.

Also, I'm sick of ascension!!! I'm also sick of EVERY SINGLE piece of new technology as "originally created by the Ancients". It's bad enough we now have a new series that might as well be called Stargate: The Ancients.


Finally,


How exactly was the ending rushed? The entire episode was 20 minutes longer than usual. I don't think they intended to wrap everything up.

The ending was rushed. The storyline's were resolved in the last 5-10minutes.



Anubis' fate is implied - he and Oma are locked in eternal conflict.

Nothing as important as this should ever have to only be 'implied'. How do you know that's what's happened? Eternal conflict? No one knows.



Jack and Sam's feelings for each other still have to be worked out and reach their logical conclusion. The fact that she finally accepted his invitation to "go fishing" with him says a lot. The fact that Teal'c and Daniel are there to chaperone their "first date" means they're still not ready to come right out and profess their love for each other.

Funny I saw the fact that Teal'c and Daniel were there COMPLETELY destroyed the scene for shippers. They were'nt chaperoning. They were there having a team day out.

Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 01:33 AM
Disagree.

She was already at Jack's house to confess all regarding her feelings for him 'before' she knew Jacob was dying.
(I tried to put this into spoiler mode but it did not work so sorry to anyone who feels 'spoiled')

Agree with everything else though

Excellent point about Sam. I'd forgotten the timing of it all.

But Jacob's advice about living life to the fullest still has more impact from the deathbed.

Albion
February 9th, 2005, 01:38 AM
I don't think they did kill off Anubis. Oma said she couldn't kill him. She could only engage him in a perpetual battle, both of them locked in fighting the other, so that he couldn't do any more damage to the universe. Both of them are equally matched, in other words, neither can win. But it effectively ties up Anubis and keeps him out of trouble. Probably for eternity.

Which, of course, gives TPTB a way to bring him back if they feel they need to. Personally, Anubis never did anything for me. He always reminded me of a pantomine villain. Ba'al now...Ba'al is spooky. With a delicious sense of irony. They can carry him through to S9 and I won't complain. :D

Albion :)

Mrs E N Stitz
February 9th, 2005, 01:42 AM
Albion is right, but the producers do keep on changing their minds about Sam's love life. Offn'on'n'off again
Thinking back on last night, Pete did exactly all the wrong things to try to make Sam happy. I'm just a little bit older than Sam and I wouldn't have like a man to make decisions for me like that.
Though in the Stargate worlds, Sam and Jack have always been made for each other - each alternate reality has them together after all. But not enough overt onscreen chemistry for me, but then I'm not subtle.
OK, bring on the moebius strips.
I'll miss Jacob though - does this mean it's the end of the Tok'ra links? I hope not, sexy voices, sexy clothes.
I liked the fishing bit at the end. But now with this SG1 togetherness, it's going to go when RDA leaves. Shame.
Norma

Albion
February 9th, 2005, 01:46 AM
Funny I saw the fact that Teal'c and Daniel were there COMPLETELY destroyed the scene for shippers.

Well, I can't talk for all shippers, but it certainly didn't destroy anything for this one. :D I found it a cute scene. And the fact that it was the team there made it sweeter for me. If they'd added some dialogue from Daniel and Teal'c, I'd have been more than happy with this being the final ever scene we got from the show. [Not that I'm not still ecstatic we have a S9 and will get more SG.<G>]

But then I'm out of sync in many ways, I know, with a lot of J/s shippers. I like it just the way it is on screen and I really wouldn't like to see anything more definite there. So long as they don't kill off Jack or Sam, or have Sam marrying Pete and off on honeymoon, I'm content. So long as I know they have a future together - at some point in the future - that's all I need.

I'm also with those who didn't think the ending was rushed at all. I found Oma's solution to dealing with Anubis courageous and poignant. Locked in eternal, perpetual battle - that's some sacrifice for the good of the universe. I've never really liked or been interested in Oma, as I said in my other post, but at that moment I admired her greatly.

Albion :)

IMForeman
February 9th, 2005, 01:48 AM
Intersting side note: The newspaper Daniel is given early on has an article that is headlined "Wraith on way to Atlantis!" :D

-IMF

SEREN LWCH (MAL)
February 9th, 2005, 01:50 AM
I enjoyed this ep. The Daniel/oma scences could have been better IMO.

The ship.... Ok it looks like it might work out ok between J/S. But Jack NEEDS to retire before it goes further. I'm hopping this is what will happen. If he does not: well i'll be throwing things at the TV.

Jacob's dying. There could have been more emotion from Sam in this. I'm dissapointed in the way that was played.

Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 02:06 AM
Nothing as important as this should ever have to only be 'implied'. How do you know that's what's happened? Eternal conflict? No one knows.

Actually, we do know.

Oma tells Daniel, "Anubis can't be killed - not by you, not by me." Anubis confirms this, saying to Oma, "You can't kill me either." Oma replies, "I can fight you ." Anubis: "Well, you can't win." Oma: "It won't matter. You won't be able to do anything but fight me back."

If that's not "implied" eternal conflict, then what did it mean to you?


Funny I saw the fact that Teal'c and Daniel were there COMPLETELY destroyed the scene for shippers. They were'nt chaperoning. They were there having a team day out.

I think you missed my point. In the course of the series, Jack has invited Carter to go fishing before; I don't recall any explicit invitations to Daniel and Teal'c for the same. The very fact that Teal'c and Daniel sit away from Carter and Jack does suggest they're giving them a bit of space.

Yes, it is a team day out as well but in the final scene, Sam and Jack are quite clearly the focal points, while Daniel and Teal'c play the supporting roles in the background and have no lines. It might have passed as any other team day out except for the earlier scene in the SGC infirmary where we see Jack putting his arm around Sam and she holds onto (and caresses!) his hand. You need to put scenes in the proper context.

hezie99
February 9th, 2005, 02:07 AM
out of all the bits ive read in this thread i havent noticed anyone else saw this when daniel is readin the paper for the 1st time who happend to notice a headline saying

Wraith on way to Atlantis.

on the ep very good and jim being anubis was a very good twist :)

Alpha17X
February 9th, 2005, 02:08 AM
Sounds possible. The Ancients are really pissing me off. I do understand their highest law (not interfering in coporial matters) because once you open that door, in a literal sense, all hell would break loose. At the same time and this is why I am pissed, is why don't they realize Anubis is using knowledge of Ancient technology that he got while he got ascended and using that in coporial matters. They should know that no one has the technology to stop him. They should've wiped Anubis out a long time ago and let Oma to continue what she was doing (helping others find enlightenment (ascend)) and everyone else go on their merry way. I really do hope Oma isn't dead or trapped or descened somewhere.

SPOILERS down below SPOILERS











They killed Jacob/Selmak, DAMMIT! He was my favorite character. I just wonder what killed him.


Probably the weapon at Dakara, as sam stated she didn't know what kind of effect it would have on him. Which leads me to think that the goauld or going to start dying.

Egeria
February 9th, 2005, 02:12 AM
I have to admit that after watching Threads last night I felt slightly dissapointed, everything seemed too convenient. It just felt like too many loose ends got tied up in one episode. Having thought about it though my opinion has changed. To me it seems to have been necessary to set the way for S9 and the changes that are coming. Initially I wasn't holding out much hope for S9, but I feel quite excited about it all now.

ADLOTS
February 9th, 2005, 02:16 AM
Did anyone else notice in "The Ascended Times" that
Spoilers for last bunch of episodes of atlantis (no real spoilers for the siege)


There was a heading htat read something like "Wraith ships headed for atlantis" or something similar... and there was a picture of the wraith hive ships...?


It was obscured/only semi-visible but it was there!

samandjack32
February 9th, 2005, 02:19 AM
This episode was amazing, I can't wait 'til next week.

Frostfox
February 9th, 2005, 02:29 AM
Intersting side note: The newspaper Daniel is given early on has an article that is headlined "Wraith on way to Atlantis!" :D

-IMF

SDF has a splendid mock up of the newspaper (useful site, BTW).
newspaper mock up (http://www.stargatedanielfriendly.net/html/theascendedtimes.php )

Foxy

mancslad08
February 9th, 2005, 02:29 AM
Did anyone else notice in "The Ascended Times" that
Spoilers for last bunch of episodes of atlantis (no real spoilers for the siege)


There was a heading htat read something like "Wraith ships headed for atlantis" or something similar... and there was a picture of the wraith hive ships...?


It was obscured/only semi-visible but it was there!
That's now been said 3 times in the same page.

aAnubiSs
February 9th, 2005, 02:36 AM
How about using the official Threads thread and the Yes/No to S9 instead of starting yet another thread.

Teal'c
February 9th, 2005, 02:37 AM
Great, great episode. I really can't see how they could cut this down to 60 minutes from 90, seeing how even the extra long episode seemed rushed :P

Poor Pete :( He did everything for Sam... what the hell was wrong with her? I prefered dream Jacob's advice in Grace than what Jacob told her here. And sooo sad to see Jacob die... it still hasn't hit me, but he's gone :( Also, what episode were some people here watching? "Jack and Sam finally together" where? :P Last time I checked Jack's still Sam's CO.

Jim being Anubis was brilliant, I didn't see that coming at all. I would have liked to see what was happening to Anubis on Dakara when Oma attacked him, but I guess we can't all get what we want.

Another thing, Ascensions is no longer a way out. So many people whine about anyone being able to ascend if they die... well, not any more :P Oma shall spend the rest of time battling Anubis and thus won't be ascending anyone anymore.

When they realised that Anubis was about to get the Ancient weapon I would have loved if they had been able to dial the Alpha site and then they decided they had to use the Puddle Jumper to travel back in time and we'd get a cool lead in to Mobius

9.7853/10 :D

Edit - ADLOTS, where'd you come from? Read the thread next time :P

aAnubiSs
February 9th, 2005, 02:38 AM
What's with all people starting new threads non-stop. Use the official one?

Cheyenne
February 9th, 2005, 02:38 AM
hi and thanks for that link to the synopsis site... i have printed off the transcript and everything aswell as reading up on the up comming episodes for Australia...
i love threads... although i haven't seen it yet, it is now my favourite episode... Yay Sam and Jack

Cheyenne

gone_fishin'
February 9th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Very happy with Threads, despite (OK, because of) it being all middle-aged Dawson's Creek. The fact that we can have a sci-fi show that takes time out of saving the galaxy and Blowing Stuff Up to just do some characterisation totally works for me.
BUT... 90 mins for those 3 storylines...hmmmm...
General comment (not spoilerish)


Daniel/Oma could have been cut down a lot and still retained (or probably improved upon) the impact.Big speech just didn't do it for me. However, hopefully the fact they don't give a stuff might mean they take a huge backstep in S9. Not so sure about the memory intact comedic return from a plot point, but entertaining enough. Almost felt like the Old Days.

The whole Anubis/Ancients weapon/Jaffa plotline dragged like hell for me: I would have liked to see more on the political struggles between the Jaffa elements -- dramatic friction doesn't have to come from actually seeing Impending End Of All Things.
As a talk episode, it could have done a lot more to flesh out the Free Jaffa backstory, mirroring the Carter/Jacob line with Bra'tac/Teal'c and the one-sided paternal expectations -- instead, we get trained warriors acting like 17 year old Horror Movie High School kids investigating the strange noise in the basement -- "I know, let's split our forces and go lookit Anubis". yech.

And finally, the Jack/Sam ship, which I admit to being rather partial to.
the constant prodding from other characters was a rushed writing tool (Jacob's a much tearful exception) but, hey, LTS. The fact that after so much faffing around it was handled sensitively without any big declamatory lines and still left hanging in the wind was a good choice.

Having Teal'c & Daniel turn up at the end had me in warm fuzzies. More like this please before RDA walks off into the sunset.
How long since SG1 (in whatever form) has felt like an honest to goodness team of friends? Including any elements of friendship (or lack of due to O'Neill's promotion) has been sorely missed at times: there has been too much reliance on fragmented storylines and characters seemingly there to purely move the plot archs along (Carter leading SG1 as a unit?).
Because of this, the earth-bound storyline was by far the more involving.

At 90 mins, it was too long -- but because the earth talk scenes just blew the rest away.

Who really gives a monkeys about the Ancients or nefarious death machines?


Jo

Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 02:44 AM
Intersting side note: The newspaper Daniel is given early on has an article that is headlined "Wraith on way to Atlantis!" :D

-IMF

I missed that! I went back and checked the scene and you're right! Those sneaky writers. :cool:

I also managed to transcribe most of that article Daniel was reading in the paper:

Anubis plans to retake Dakara

EXCLUSIVE INFORMATION ON HIS QUEST TO DESTROY ALL LIFE IN THE MILKY WAY GALAXY

He's back again and he's badder than ever

Sources today indicate that the monstrous evil that is Anubis is about to commit his most horrific act yet. His ultimate plan is to destroy all life (no exceptions) in the Galaxy and start over, infesting it with a multitude of Kull Warriors and other subservient dronelike beings whose only purpose is to serve and amuse him. When questioned, Anubis claimed, "I'm not such a bad guy, I just know what I like and I'm willing to kill everyone and everything to get it." His plans will come as a huge surprise to the rebel jaffa and Tauri alike. "They keep thinking that they've bested me but it can't be done. Being partially ascended really has its benefits."

This corporeal creep had some words to say regarding his constant foes from the SGC. "That O'Neill is such a pain in the --- I'm particularly looking forward to pulling his arms off, over and over and over." What of his plans for the rest of the SG-1 team? "I thought I might have the shulva Teal'c skinned and made into a wallhanging for my Peltac. Carter? Oh, I've got something special in mind for her. Give me time to muster my forces and set my plans for retaking Dakara in motion. I just love the irony of dealing with such situations because it gives..."

somme
February 9th, 2005, 03:11 AM
Did anyone else notice they kept saying Jacob should have died 4 years ago? Can they not count it was 6!?

lordvader
February 9th, 2005, 03:12 AM
I just thought that it was cool that when Oma finally decided to do something, all the other ascended finally looked up!

Albion
February 9th, 2005, 03:29 AM
Did anyone else notice they kept saying Jacob should have died 4 years ago? Can they not count it was 6!?

I thought I'd heard Jacob say four in the infirmary, but just concluded I'd heard him wrong. Did Sam say four too, in the observation room? I haven't had a chance to watch for a second time yet - still trying to find a way to tactfully shoo my husband out of the house for a couple of hours. :D

Albion :) (who figures saying, "Hey, go get me some chocolate and wine - I'm celebrating..." just won't cut it somehow...)

SEREN LWCH (MAL)
February 9th, 2005, 03:33 AM
Did anyone else notice they kept saying Jacob should have died 4 years ago? Can they not count it was 6!?

I noticed that as well :)

SEREN LWCH (MAL)
February 9th, 2005, 03:41 AM
What did you guys think of Jacobs death scence? I felt AT could have put more into it. She's very good at emotions. I.e S3 THE DEVIL YOU KNOW.

shockwave
February 9th, 2005, 03:44 AM
great ep

liked the daniel/oma/jim/anubis stuff and the jaffa stuff
didn't like jacob's pointless death and the ship stuff

they kinda left the JS ship ambiguous, they did't say at all that they are together, so the shippers get what they want and the non-shippers also get what they want.

Albion
February 9th, 2005, 03:52 AM
What did you guys think of Jacobs death scence? I felt AT could have put more into it.

I rather liked that it was somewhat understated. I didn't actually think that it was emotionless. I really liked the way she reacted to the sudden realisation that Jacob was going to die too and not just Selmac. That stammer, almost-can't-get-the-word-out, 'W...we...?" That was very effective, I thought, and closed up my throat too, listening to it. <sob>

I have to say that my opinion is probably tempered by the fact that I've never been impressed with AT's attempts to act crying. IMO she just can't do it. It's rarely seemed genuine to me. I think she's a terrific actress, don't get me wrong, adore her acting and Carter as a character. But that's one thing that I always cringe over when I see it.

And, too, I've never been a convert to the theory that to act emotion you have to collapse in floods of tears. When a show does it a little more cleverly than that - as they did here imo - for me it works far better and means a lot more.

Albion :)

JackDaniels
February 9th, 2005, 04:03 AM
Well.

What was to dislike about this episode:

* The fact that that dopey SKY announcer still can't pronounce Teal'c. I swear, if she says T'alc one more time....I won't be responsible for my actions. Someone send that woman a pronunciation list!

Albion

I have to say that I agree with most of your summary. Before the episode started I breathed a sigh of relief that the annoying SKY ONE woman would have no reason to say Teal'c because all episode descriptions for this episode focused on Daniel with a little bit of Sam and Jack. Though we knew the Jaffa rebels (or 'Free Jaffa Nation' as they are now called) would feature in the episode, I never thought she'd have the op to say Te'alc (i write it this way as this is how I perceive she reads it on her piece of paper) but she did and we all had to suffer. With the end of this rant before I start talking about the episode I would say that we should encourage her to actually watch an episode - if she had she'd know how to pronounce it.

______________________________________________________

THREADS

After the previous few episodes that have only gotten better and better, culminating in 'Reckoning Pt 2' last week, I will admit I probably had obscenely high expectations for this episode. For the most part they were fufilled, some aspects however were not.

I will admit that I am not a fan of the rebel jaffa storyline, though Teal'c's struggle to become other than a lowly shol'va and show all other jaffa what they could become is a worthy storyline. When all of the jaffa bestowed their highest honour upon Teal'c and Bra'tac I found myself getting strangely teary eyed. Why I do not know, but it was nice for these two men that have been outcasts for so long to be acknowledged for what we've seen them try to do for 8 years. Though why Teal'c was called Teal'c of the Tau'ri I am still unsure.

* The story for the Jaffa plodded along in this episode, but ultimately provided a reason for the Jaffa struggle to remain part of the Stargate Universe in season 9, i.e. as Bra'tac pointed out, they may have turned the tide in the Jaffa rebellion, but they spent so much time planning on how to get their brothers to listen, they did not plan sufficiently for what would happen when they did. This is a valid point, and I would have been very irritated if they suddenly became a cohesive unit so quickly. Uniting them may have been achieved, keeping them so will be more difficult. My biggest issue with this storyline however, was the trap Anubis set for the Jaffa that they easily fell into. Teal'c and Bra'tac in particular are seasoned warriors and I find it difficult to believe they would accept any intel about Anubis at face value. They lost many Jaffa, and although Anubis ultimately didn't succeed, their efforts showed their weakness and that they are nowhere near the formidable enemy they need to be to defeat all the Goa'uld.

* Ah Sam and Jack. For so many years we have looked towards some kind of resolution towards this storyline and my interest was certainly peaked when the 'Previously on Stargate...' revealed a hell of a lot of clips about their past relationship (esp the scene from upgrades where they're on Apophis' ship either side of the forceshield). Pete anoys me, always has, and I will do little to conceal this fact. His full clearance provided him the opportunity to meet Jacob and make an ass of himself. His attempts to ring her when she was at work was unprofessional and indicated where their future could be heading (and I'll be honest,it reminded me of many fanfics I've read where Sam finally got rid of Pete because of his possessiveness). It served the purpose, and I'm glad. As with many others I liked Kerry. She was honest, perceptive, intelligent and if I'd been that kind of person, the kind of woman you could see Jack with. We finally had another woman in the Stargate Universe who looked capable and wasn't presented with any of the Novak-like flaws. Its probable she knew for a while that something was holding Jack back, but it wasn't until she saw Sam and Jack's evident discomfort and unwillingness to admit their relationship. When she spoke to him at the end of the episode, two things came to my mind - she was presenting us with a reason he wouldn't be present in season 9, and also the possibility of her return. she implied her assignment was far from over, and I personally would like to see her again.

* Now to dear Daniel and Oma. The diner was unusal choice for the setup, but she said it was conjured from Daniel's mind so hey ho. To have her not talking in riddles was nice, though it only took once such riddle to provide enough proof to Daniel that she was real. She was offering the chance to ascend again, which was all well and good, but did she not realise that the choice previously made would repeat itself? She said Daniel's choice was ascension or death, but the decision was made difficult for him because he knew what Anubis was about to do and he could either die along with everyone else or accept ascension and watch as everyone was killed. How did she think this was a choice he would accept? evidently she had not learnt much from Daniel's previous ascension. She admitted she had not erased his memory as she was supposed to and I would suggest this was the reason the elders would not stop her trying to offer him ascension again.

As for Anubis/Jim I will willingly admit that I didn't think about who he really was, but his mention that they had come across each other before again lends itself to an answer to the quesiton of why Daniel chose to retake human form. If he had met Anubis before, if he recognised who he was during Full Circle and this was why Oma stopped him from doing anything makes a little more sense, but this was supposed to be the much hyped resolution to Daniel's fight with Anubis. Did he fight him? No. He may have helped Oma to reaslise her decision to help people ascend was meaningless if she didn't stop Anubis from killing everyone, so she did something, finally. Daniel found out why Anubis what he was, but it certailny wouldn't make me want to know the Ancients anymore!

* And alas poor Jacob. I realised when he said he was dying that he'd made up what Selmak had thought of Pete (we know he'd been in a coma since Dakara so there wasn't likely to be an opinion). Although I don't think the killing of Jacob was necessary, the fact that he chose to die with Selamk was fitting, as these two seemed to have the 'true symbiotic relationship' the Tok'ra often bleated on about. (QUESTION: was there some kind of weird ass time warp, as Sam and Jacob both said that he should have been dead 4 years ago. Quite strange really as it was season 2 he was about to die and became a Tok'ra. Someone's adding up ain't right as to me that's 6 years - ohh aren't I getting picky!) Jacob's death and Sam's reactionwere correct in my opinion - she realised she should have lost a dad she barely knew a long time ago. She was given a second chance with him and for that she was gratefull rather than sad. We realised we needed Selmak for the translation and weapon in Reckoning, but he could have stayed useful. Yet, with Tok'ra relationships as they were, what would have been the future for Jacob? I'm unsure the Tok'ra would have welcomed him back with open arms, but I doubt he would have been willing to stay on earth indefinitely.

His death reminded me of the speech Sam imagined him making in 'Grace'. He wants her to be happy and he knew the military was in some way hindering that. Whilst Kerry was telling Jack to retire, Jacob suggests that she doesn't have everything she wants, but could have. I'll add in at this point how much Sam and jack together touched me, and how tightly you could see her holding onto his hand. I got a little shiver.

And finally we reached the end. I'm assuming it was Oma who stopped the self destruct as she stopped Anubis. It actually grated on me a little that Teal'c and Bra'tac were at the SGC, as you would think if they thought the world was going to end that they would want to be with their brothers. They could have communicated anything they wanted to say via radio but they chose to be with the one group of people who could have plausibly found a way to protect themselves aginst the weapon. Just a little niggle, but hey.

as for the return of Daniel, it was funny, charming and make me smile - a lot. Though the smile of Bra'tac's face totally creeped me out!

all in all this was a good episode, and I wonder how they would have fitted it into 42 mins - the extra 20 were definitely needed IMHO. Though there was little action, when you sit it in between Reckoning and a season finale it does its job, and gives us an insight into the more human side of the characters. Jack and Sam, Daniel and his struggles with ascension, and Teal'c and his continuing battle for the Jaffa.

The fishing was perfect. I think it was important that all of the team was there, though the initial image of Sam and Jack will stay in my mind for a very long time. The way Daniel came up behind them at the end reminded me of a little kid with his parents, but this may just be me! Amanda Tapping always said the end would come if Sam actually went fishing, well she did and she was right, they should have done it years ago.

GateGipsy
February 9th, 2005, 04:10 AM
It was a so-so ep. After the excitment and thrills of Reckoning I expected more. I was kinda bored through most of it. Was the diner that Daniel was in the same set as the one they used on Dead like Me? (which was also shot at Bridge studios).

The only surprise was that 'Jim' was Anubis. And what Oma did at the end. Plus how did Daniel descend? I'd like it if we found out that he was able to descend himself.

But I was very disappointed in what they did with Sam. Sure I could see that it wasn't going to work with Pete as soon as he showed her that house. That house was everything that Sam isn't. When is she going to have time to look after a dog? Or have kids? It just isn't her. Not at this point in her life, if ever. And as much as they try to shoehorn Sam into some sort of female cliche of 'having a family is my greatest fulfillment' it just doesn't work for me. That's not who Sam is or ever will be, anymore than Catherine was that sort of woman.

binkpmmc
February 9th, 2005, 04:46 AM
I guess this belongs here. The way it sounds that Carter ended it with pete is very diasppointing for me as a Carter fan (just a reminder that I am not a shipper or an anti-shipper, I really do not care either way if they get together).

I am very glad she left pete though, just disappointed in how they had her leave him.
I have been of the mind that, IMO, for Carter to be redeemed from the debacle that is pete she would have to have left pete because she felt he was the wrong person for her, he was too controlling, etc., (as evidenced by his behaviour in second half of chimera and his buying the house without her input being what obviously put her over the edge) but TPTB missed this golden opportunity to redeem Carter while at the same time freeing her up to continue the shippy stuff. The unfortunate thing is that, in my view, TPTB could have had their cake and eaten it too if they had shown Carter leave pete for HER own reasons (reasons that were NOT Jack) and then have the shippy stuff with Jack and Carter. This, sad as it is for me to say, pretty much, puts the proverbial nail in the coffin and it's time for me to move on when TPTB cannot even grasp that there is such a problem with this character and they had the perfect opportunity to do two things with one episode - fix the Carter debacle from chimera AND have the shippers happy but instead, they take the road that finally and completely alienates some of the loyal, longtime fans to the point where it is not worth my time to stay with the show. (I am not talking about the anti-shippers here I am talking about plain old regular fans like me who have no investement in the J/S ship either way.)

MY bet for S9 - either Carter becomes a civilian or, if she remains in the military, they do take command away from Carter and give it to Mitchell (Browder). I see what they have done to this character as the set-up for her either voluntarily giving up the command or for taking it away from her. She has made too many mistakes, too many dumb, out of character decisions and she has let her emotions run her as opposed to her controlling her emotions. I see many of the silly and foolish things she has done since mid-season 7 as immature things a much younger CAPTAIN Carter would have done in seasons 1-3 or so - NOT things a much more (so I would have thought) mature LT. COLNEL Carter should be doing after 7-8 years of saving the world umpteen times. As I said before, if I were under her command as she is right now I would not feel comfortable going out on any mission with her as leader (now the Foothold Carter, or the Enemies Carter, I would have followed her into any battle.) Just my opinion.

I am tired of waiting for them to fix this (yes pete's gone but they left Carter hanging out to dry and swinging in the wind -- AGAIN) especially since this golden opportunity passed and they probably won't have another opportunity to fix the pete debacle created by Carter's acceptance of his abhorrent behaviour since he's gone now. Thanks for listening to my rant - hope you all have fun. BYE.

Juice
February 9th, 2005, 04:47 AM
Why did they have to get rid of Anubis just after revealing his whole new persona?

He is a comedic genius.

I've got a feeling he will return in the long run maybe not in the SG1, It would be pretty cool to see him in the Pegasus galaxy, maybe leading the useless Gennai into a decent takeover of Alantis.


Ive also got a feeling that the new Free Jaffa nation(couldnt they come up with a better name than that?) will be a handful in the future getting in the way of SG1 in their pursuit of power. I hope to god theyre not the main villans in the next season maybe a couple of episodes

keppiezbt
February 9th, 2005, 04:52 AM
good show, good show...these ascended ancients are starting to get on my nervs!!! i think they have a superiority complex. usually englightenment means ur nicer to people, i would think they would try to help others....blah....lets see what season 9 brings about these folks.

yasmins
February 9th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Excellent point about Sam. I'd forgotten the timing of it all.

But Jacob's advice about living life to the fullest still has more impact from the deathbed.

I also agree. IMO, this is like the Janet death. TPTB thought the death would be good to show, and then they used it to round out the relationship stuff. Someone said that Jacob was sacrificed on the alter of ship. I don't think it is fair to say the ship instigated the death for TPTB, but rather, the death was planned and then used to further Sam / Jack's relationship.

Frankly, the S/J thing has survived years without killing off Jacob, and there were endless comical possibilities of seeing Jacob and Jack interact if the S/J ship came out in the open. Jacob and Jack did very interacting with each other, and I was looking forward to those scenes.

I also absolutely *loved* the Jacob character, and frankly I find the death of Jacob to be senseless. I agree with whoever said that TPTB have found a new penchant for killing off beloved characters whenever they think the series is ending.

Sam fan
February 9th, 2005, 05:08 AM
What did you guys think of Jacobs death scence? I felt AT could have put more into it. She's very good at emotions. I.e S3 THE DEVIL YOU KNOW.

I haveto say I thini I disagree, she mad epeace iwth him before he died. It was a eally touching scene, i think screaming and collapsing in tears would have been over the top, I think the way amanda did it was brilliant and very sweet, I also think Jack being sad about it helped the whole scene even more. I think that was my second favourite scene of the whole thing. It was a really moving moment.

AlphaBlu
February 9th, 2005, 05:09 AM
I don't know what's worse, the entirity of Threads, or the fact that the shippers here are going to be unbearable for the next month.

Basically the episode had 4 parts:

The Tea'c/Bra'tac/Jaffa stuff which kicked ass. Loved every second of it.

The Sam/Jacob stuff which sucked, 'cause they killed Jacob. And what's this 4 years crap? He's been a Tok'ra since Season 2.

The Daniel/Oma/Anubis stuff, which was awesome right up to the point where it started to suck, which was about when Oma went Super-Sayan on Anubis and then... nothing. They explode and... what? Anti-climactic doesn't quite describe what happened there.

The Sam/Jack/Pete stuff. God... words cannot describe how I feel about this.

Maybe this will do:

TPTB should stick with 43 minutes an ep. That way there's less time for them to screw it up. All 90 minutes did was kill Jacob and make every Shipper's wet dream come true.

This episode gets 3/10.

2 because the Jaffa stuff was cool, and 1 becuase the totally misleading teaser with Ba'al and Anubis was very cool, and promised lots of stuff (even if none of that stuff happened).

BYE

James
February 9th, 2005, 05:20 AM
Gotta say I'm kinda annoyed. First of all they didn't show Atlantis because of this 90 minute episode which didn't need to be 90 mins because they could of cut out all the dawsons creek rubbish.

Second of all Jack and Sam do not make a good couple there's no chemistry between them it's like they're brother and sister and to be honest I've seen Jack show more emotion for Teal'c. Although I'll admit that scene where Jack put his arm around Sam did make me think twice but overall I still think it wouldn't work.

Third of all the ending seemed a bit rushed. Did the rebel Jaffa take back Takara? What happened to Oma/Anubis? Will Jacob get a memorial service? Who sent Daniel back? Although, I suppose they might wrap things up later.

With all that said I did enjoy parts of this episode: Oma/Daniel, the Jaffa and the Jacob/Selmak bits (Btw when did Selmak become a "He"). I really hope Oma and Anubis survive.

AlphaBlu
February 9th, 2005, 05:23 AM
* Anubis. Errr... that's it?!?!?!!? After all that, the Anubis storyline gets thrown out the window just like that?! Sorry but I now wish that he had died the way he did in Lost City. WAY more satisfying.

I have to agree. I wanted Anubis to be alive at the end of Lost City, and they could do a big two-parter with his return. Interestingly, I titled the story (in my head, I never wrote it), 'Reckoning'. And, lo and behold, I got 'Reckoning', and the return of Anubis.

And then we got that as an ending to it. Oma crash tackles a fat man and some inserted FX and... that's it. WTF? Anubis has been the Big Bad since Season 5 and that's the send off he gets? What a waste...

Then again, it's not the first time a great bad guy with fantastic character potential has been killed off - Tannith anyone?


They were'nt chaperoning. They were there having a team day out.

Only a shipper from this site would say that Danny and T were being chaperones. It's almost laughable.

BYE

getchaos
February 9th, 2005, 05:40 AM
Well, i thought the whole episode should be 90 minutes.....instead the real playtime was 63 minutes.....what was this all about?
Will there be a real 90 minutes version on the DVD or were these 90 minutes just 63 with commercials?

aAnubiSs
February 9th, 2005, 05:44 AM
Once again we have the Ancients as the Vorlons (Kosh/Lorien/Sheridan vs Ulkesh)

Dinoflo
February 9th, 2005, 05:46 AM
I thought that Oma attacked Anubis, forcing Anubis to use the powers that he gained when he asscended to fight back. Since the other ascended allow Anubis to do anything that he could have done as a goauld, and only use knowlage he would have obtained otherwise, then my fighting back he broke those rules, and so the other ascended would step in.

aAnubiSs
February 9th, 2005, 05:49 AM
But Omas punishment was also to just observe Anubis. So they both broke the rules and therefore a fit punishment would be to let them battle it out for an eternity.

Token
February 9th, 2005, 05:50 AM
Without reading anyone else's comments nor being spoiled...

FANTASTIC!!! Absolutely FANTASTIC!! As a Sam and Jack Shipper, I am EXTREMELY pleased with the Sam and Jack resolution. It was completely in Stargate character. It wasn't mushy nor overt. It was the nice subtle ship I have enjoyed over the years. Fishing!! Brilliant!! ;)

THANK YOU, PTB!!! I'm sooo glad to get off the rollercoaster! ;)

Jacob dying broke my heart. :( Jacob was my third favorite character. Carmen was excellent! I will miss him terribly!! ((((Jacob))))

Daniel and Oma. WOW! I was unsure if the story arc would be interesting, but it was DEFINITELY interesting!! Jack refusing to believe Daniel's dead because it's happened "one too many times." lol I'm so glad TPTB decided to answer all the lingering questions about Daniel's ascension. I throughly enjoyed Anbuis' end! When Oma said the naked wasn't Daniel's idea! LOL! Then to have it happen again!! LOL!! Jack's reaction reminded me of "Torment of Tantalus". Skydiver, you were right about the Ancient console! ;)

The Jaffa new nation had problems just like any new nation. I was glad to see Teal'c and Bra'tac be given the recognition they deserve.

This episode felt like the Series Finale!! A BIG 10/10 for me!! :D So many storylines wrapped up and ending with the team all together! :D I can't freaking wait until Moebius!! But I guess I'll have too. :p Let me just say again....

Thank you, PTB!!!!

sshspooky
February 9th, 2005, 05:55 AM
i've been giving the Jacob/Selmak 4 years point a lot of thought. they said 4 years in the episode twice and we are here all thining season 2, 6 seasons on, it must be 6 years.

but that doesn't exactually have to be true since adding up the time scale of between episodes and episode times, especially with all the cliffhanger seasons, it may or may not be less time then 6 years for the passage of 6 seasons.

of course i have just realised while writing this that Citizen Joe just totally messes up this theory, so u have to think they made a mistake in the script, or they are referring specifically to something that happened in season 4 where he should have died, but 4:22 Exodus is the only ep that really meets that criteria. perhaps someone should ask them in an interview so that they can loop the number 6 over the number 4 before the dvd release.

aAnubiSs
February 9th, 2005, 05:56 AM
SG1 lost atleast 3 months in WoO, and another 3 months or so in Unnatural Selection, who knows what other stuff they've dealt with.

eb01
February 9th, 2005, 05:59 AM
I really really enjoyed Threads.
They tied up all the threads nicely.
I wasn't sure how the whole Daniel thing would work out but it did, and it was great. Maybe the end where Oma decided to fight Anubis was a bit of a let down but it was great all the same. And the scene where Daniel returns was great. Very funny.
I was quite shocked by the whole Sam/Pete thing, that was an ending that I wasn't expecting, but that just made it even better. I liked the way they didn't actually say Sam and Jack are together, just let us think what we want to. Keeps everyone happy I s'pose.
I was gutted about Jacob though. :-( He was a great character.
There isn't much I can fault this ep on.
I was definately smiling by the last scene. :)

SBacklin
February 9th, 2005, 06:01 AM
I didn't like it very much. It was OK, but way too overhyped. Thoughts:





Nothing as important as this should ever have to only be 'implied'. How do you know that's what's happened? Eternal conflict? No one knows.


Actually, it was an Eternal Conflict. After Oma stood up and said she had the power to stop him, Anubis goes "uh oh" and also says to Oma that she can't win. However, Oma says "I know, but it doesn't matter, you can't do anything as long as you have to fight me" (something along those lines anyway) and off they went. That is the eternal battle.

Fox McCloud
February 9th, 2005, 06:01 AM
Maybe he wouldve died 4 years ago from cancer ?

Fox McCloud
February 9th, 2005, 06:04 AM
she hit him, he hit back. Ancients whacked em both.

Siakes
February 9th, 2005, 06:14 AM
Here is a capture from the episode...about the Wraith coming... :)


EDIT: Didnt realize the mock up was posted..oh well :)

Unauthorized Traveler
February 9th, 2005, 06:26 AM
I enjoyed this episode. It doesn't make up for all the crappy episodes that were used to fill the season but I liked Threads. As this is my last season of watching this show (for a number of reasons), this episode was a nice wrap-up for me.

I was disappointed that Carter did not show more emotion about her father dying. I know she wasn't close to her father while growing up, but over the last 6 years she did develop a relationship with him, and he was her FATHER after all. This wasn't some guy off the street! I cried for Jacob's death more than she did, for cryin out loud!! :(

That said, I liked seeing hope for the S/J relationship, and I liked how the episode ended. Even though the focus was on Sam and Jack, Daniel and Teal'c being there showed the family that they have become over the years. I have always liked this show best when the entire team is together and it was a good way to end the episode. :)

Markey2
February 9th, 2005, 06:29 AM
Blimey what an episode!

I'm so glad Sky|One decided to show the 90 minute version because if they hadn't I don't think the episode would have flowed at all. - I really can't see it being shorter.

Oma's cafe was so nice and we got see a really different side of her which was nice. I thought the idea of all the people being Ancient's was nice, although the Anubis twist at the end was completely unexpected and wowed me - something SG-1 hasn't done in a while.

These last few episodes have been really promising and if they ended the series now I wouldn't have a problem, Season 9 had better be good though, and not just in the second half like Season 8 has been.

This was a great resolution to all the stories and I have to say that this second half of the season has been outstanding.

womblette
February 9th, 2005, 06:34 AM
This is a take two, so this may be a little bit more concise in some areas than I'd normally be. I will admit to liking this episode. I'm a shipper, I can't help it. So whilst my Sam/Jackness is tickled a healthy salmon, my Jacob/Alive ideology is somewhat in mourning. But though this episode was good for me on many levels, there were parts that I found less than thrilling.

Firstly, the Jaffa parts. Whilst those set on Earth were great, I'm afraid I don't actually like the Jaffa storylines. I'm not a die-hard Sci-Fi fan. I like it, but I like believable characters and a vague sense of self-mocking humour more. So that's one Thread that I'm glad is at least a semblance of resolved.

Second, whilst there are lots of shippers out there singing this episode's praises as the best ever (and no, I don't think they're together now, just resolved to waiting) I can't agree with that. Divide and Conquer had a lot more believability about it, and chemistry, ditto Beneath the Surface, even 'moments' in Death Knell and That One In Season Six I Can't Remember The Name Of But Had The DNA Machine In seemed to have more underlying emotion. Grace managed to be less clichéd than certain parts of this episode. I'm a fan of subtlety, and the scene at Jack's house and both with Sam and with Kerry in his office were as fanon cliché as it gets. A malice that shipper fanfic bears is that the good writers make your expectations of those on the program even higher - in short, their imaginative ways to show the character's feelings need to be better than any fanfic writer's. The scene in the infirmary was good - it made continuity references, and was generally well played.

I think half the problem with the ship in this episode actually comes from my problems with Jack in recent episodes. Due to reduced screen time, writers seem to have been absolutely desperate to cram in as many gags as possible. The character seems to have become less and less complex and more and more like a one man stand up in each scene. No wonder we're detecting less chemistry. The guy can't seem to breathe without emitted comedy. And with repetition has come monotony. When you can say most of his lines before he does, sometimes, you have to worry. And I'm not difficult to amuse, generally.

Some argument seems to have arisen over the scene at the cabin. Now, I did like it, of course I did, I'm a shipper. But I was on the point of screaming with frustration til Daniel and Teal'c showed up. There's no way on Earth (and, since this is Stargate, anywhere else) that Jack and Sam would just disappear off to Minnesota together without the rest of the team, just like that. It makes no sense, Jacob dead or no. I have spent the last year+ of my watching Stargate cringing at 'Jack finally gets Sam to go fishing!!11' fic, so I wasn't happy at the idea of it becoming canon. A Team event? Hell Yeah! As a team thing it was funny.

We may be being a little harsh with the Jacob thing, actually. Of course I'm sad to see him go, and I know at the point of making they weren't sure if they had a Season 9 or not - but the actor had been doing less and less episodes. We don't know if there were other demands on Carmen Argenziano's time which made it simply more practical to remove him from the show. We can but speculate. I just wish there'd been a little more time for complex character emotion afterwards, rather than the just a little *too* light humour of the last 10 minutes or so.

Having said all this, the comedy was funny, parts of the ship were very well done, and Daniel's ascended scenes were excellent. Whilst it's not my favourite ship episode, the infirmary scene is up there with one of my favourite moments (though D&C will undoubtedly always win for me). On that note, I denote an approximate score of 8/10 for the episode.

DelTrax1
February 9th, 2005, 10:01 AM
This was an excellent episode. I can't believe it......it was awesome. Now what? I think that the Wraith are going to make it to Earth. Thanks to us. Can't wait to see more Atlantis and Sg-1.

Frostfox
February 9th, 2005, 10:06 AM
That SGC flag has never looked so good

animoid
February 9th, 2005, 10:15 AM
Argh. GW forum was down again and I had the horrible urge to spread my opinion on "Threads"...I was so agonized I watched it twice and then hammered out this review. :)

Hmm. Actually I had a bad dream about this episode. Just the night before I saw it.
In my dream there wasn't anything else besides SHIP for the first 30 minutes or so...no Daniel story line, no Teal'c storyline, no storyline at all...just SHIP. Evil, I tell you. I twisted and turned all night and woke up fear-stricken. You get the picture.

And indeed, the ship aspect of the episode...uarghh. Like stale coffee. Reheated, stale coffee. Yes, TPTB tried to please a lot of people, yes, they went fishing, no, I don't believe for a second that Pete is SO understanding, no, I don't believe that Kerry means what she says when she splits up with Jack for the greater good, no, I don't believe that if TPTB think the whole world has to see the SHIP they can make their characters act like cardboard cutouts, unbelievable and...plot-devicish. It just isn't working. Hey, that's the real show, not a fanfic.
So. That's that. We had to endure it, can we all move on now?

I really enjoyed the Daniel bits - the cafe with its eery music and its weird customers, almost a x-filish flair (any of you remember the episode that had Mulder eating a whole potatoe pie, slice by slice? I felt reminded..). The scenes with Oma (and Nuby in his funeral suit) really worked quite well for me, and I'm pleased with the outcome of that particular story arc - even if it meant for poor Oma to sacrifice herself and be trapped forever in a struggle with Anubis. It is the ultimate interference, an everlasting reminder of Oma's (and to some extent: Daniel's) way of looking at things: handle your responsibility, make a change for the better when you have the power to do so.
So while the other Ancients just sit around, poke their noses and are..well..ascended snobs, Oma does what she knows is needed for the sake of a whole galaxy, and thus redeems her character in a wonderful way. It was a truly fitting end for the Oma/ascension arc.
I hope this also means we won't have to see the Daniel-dies-and-comes-back-to-live-routine again. It has stopped being convenient some time (and by some time I mean a loooong time) ago.

Teal'c and Bra'tac and their Jaffa army (soon to be called the Free Jaffa Nation) had the fight of their lives, unfortunately nowadays we don't see that much combat action, but -apart from budget issues- it would have interrupted the otherwise very calm and slow-paced episode too much. I'm still not sure if the episode needed to be that long, but..what the hey, enjoy it while you can. On the other hand, they just could've cut the awkward SHIP moments out...but I digress.
Teal's and his movement have come a really long way. As for future events I hope his character will have to face a conflict when it comes to choose between his allegiance to the Tau'ri and his newfound career opportunity on the council.

The scenes with Sam and Jacob were sweet, we knew from Reckoning there was something wrong with him, but it is still terribly sad to see him and Selmak go. I always liked his character, especially in interaction with Sam. Or the rest of the team, for that matter, but...it seems all so long ago...The last scene was a nice reminder of that, the four of them together, it's really rare these days.
The only thing that didn't work, and I can't stress it enough, were the ship implications by virtually all people who happened to run into one of the suspects. I'm surprised Walter didn't make a comment.

On another note, there are still some questions that remain unanswered. Did Daniel keep his knowledge about the ascension this time? Well, one might argue he wasn't really ascended, so he may retain the knowledge about what he learned in the cafe. But he came back nekkid, so technically...I'm confused.

What happened to Baal?

Spectacle:
The Jaffa army on Dakara. What a mass of people.

Things I loved:
Did anyone else catch the newspaper's name: Ascended Times. It's nice to see such detailed work put into a prop. One of the headlines read: Edge Of The Universe Discovered. Also good: Oma's bairmaid outfit - complete with a pencil in her hairdo.

Things I hated:
Too many awkward wishy-washy-ship-moments. Nuff said.

All in all - on some levels quite satisfying, on others just...yuck. It tied up many loose ends, and there are some of them I'd rather not see again. Ever.

.:Lemon:.
February 9th, 2005, 10:17 AM
I really liked this episode, and thought it had some very good moments in it. I'm glad they showed the full 90 minute version instead of editing it or anything. I loved the team moment at the end aswell were they all go fishing :)

Jillybean
February 9th, 2005, 10:24 AM
I couldn't stand Threads. It was aptly named, tying up all the loose story threads with a mish mash of bad dialogue, bad acting and bad timing.

The Jack/Sam resolution was ... godawful. I was wincing in pain as Bimbo1 said "Is it just regulations keeping you two apart?"

And Selmack no doubt died because he couldn't stand being used as a plot bunny

Danny bumbled around in the "I don't really have a purpose" way he's been doing for the past season, while Teal'c and Bra'Tac lost all character and turned into inanely smiling buffoons, being knocked around the galaxy.

Sam's been replaced by a Replicarter, who's emotions were obviously badly copied. At least Pete's reaction was somehow believable. If only in contrast to everyone else.

Jack's 'denial' was unbelievable. Why waste scene time with him and the Bimbo, when her plot was inconsequential anyway? Why not have him being concerned Did he say ANYTHING to Jacob while he was dying? Two of your best friends are dead or dying, Jack, why are you cooking steaks? This is not in-character

I was looking forward to Season nine. After Threads, I'm not so sure.

user_4574
February 9th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Slightly off-topic here, but all through reckoning and even up until i saw it printed in the paper on "threads", I was under the impression that the planet where the anceint weapon was, was pronounced....Takara, not Dakara.

I realise they sound VERY similar, and I prefer Takara myself. But oh well - thats my 2-cents worth!:)

samedi
February 9th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Hello

I've been beaming all day! I mean what more from an ep could you want
Sad moments which made me cry, the planting of seeds for retirement... just out of bed jack images mmmmm, SAM AND JACK, WOOOHOOO! :D, and of course fishing.
A lovely bonus of naked Daniel. My jaw aches from all my smiling. Im off to watch it again.....

Hugs

samedi
February 9th, 2005, 10:40 AM
That SGC flag has never looked so good

mmmhmmmm have to agree with you on that one mmmmmm ;)

Hugs

Whistler
February 9th, 2005, 10:45 AM
How do I join the Chevron Guy Fan club?
Walter, the Radar O'Reilly of SGC

Go to the Chevron Guy Appreciation Thread! :D

sueKay
February 9th, 2005, 11:14 AM
I liked Threads!

Daniel - Awesome... I'll have the truth with a side order of clarity.

He was SUPERB....and Superbly naked too!

Oma - You go girl! I have far more respect for her character now...I'd read that she helped Anubis ascend, but I was surprised to find out that her little group didn't actually exist and the non interference was her punishment

Teal'c - I have to admit that the scenes were a bit slow and disjointed, but I'm so glad that the Jaffa are free!!!

Teal'c of the Tauri! :P Classic!

Kerry - A bit too bubbly for me but I'd like to see her again...maybe going to Atlantis in some capacity.

Pete - I felt so sorry for him! He'd put his heart and soul into it...even when he knew Sam wasn't the one. He did however live up to his online nick name of spud...he looked so stupid when he met Jacob.
He handled the break up really well, so when Sam said 'that's it' I groaned...she could have put it better than that.

Jacob/ Selmak - oh my god...I thought they were kidding about Jacob dying and I sooooooo wasn't prepared for it...the scene was beautiful though and Carmen and AT were superb...I'm glad he did some lines reminiscent of Grace, but I'm really glad that was left out at his passing with him simply saying ' I love you'. I hope we bump into him again in some way like we have with Kawalsky.

Sam - Oh god...the worst week of her life...not knowing how to let Pete go...Pete and her father not hitting it off...finding Jack with Kerry after she's worked up the courage to talk to him...and finally herdad dying...AT did a great job on this, but I did think Sam was out of character during most of the Pete scenes.

Jack - I was glad to see Jack having fun and smiling for a change. He was happy having a fling with Kerry, but didn't seem to upset when he got dumped...he knew it was coming.
He was so supportive of Sam and RDA was brilliant in the infirmary scene. His reaction to Jacob's death was so geniune.

The Ship - great...not too in-your-face or soap-opera-ish...very based in reality and enough to please most shippers!

The ending...Not rushed...In fact I think it was at a good speed whereas the rest of the episode was too slow. I loved Daniel's descension!!!!!! That was funny as hell! The look on Sam's face was priceless! I didn't think she was mean to him...I think she was trying hard not to look!

Fishing - LMAO!!!!!!!!!

'there's no fish here...'
'...no.'

Overall a great episode...9/10!

Markey2
February 9th, 2005, 11:23 AM
Slightly off-topic here, but all through reckoning and even up until i saw it printed in the paper on "threads", I was under the impression that the planet where the anceint weapon was, was pronounced....Takara, not Dakara.

I realise they sound VERY similar, and I prefer Takara myself. But oh well - thats my 2-cents worth!:)

I totally agree user_4574. The way it was pronounced up to this episode almost made it sound like "Tick-ara" but when the Ancient Times said Dakara and Bra'tac said it again I though, "Wow, he's been pronouncing Dakara all the time, I just misheard him."

dd78matt
February 9th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Jim: "That was nothing. We both operate outside the normal rules and regulations. We happen to disagree on how far outside we should go, that's all. As long as these other guys don't strike me down, I figure I'm ok."


Is it because Oma not being able to descend him that he can go around doing whatever he wants? And why couldn't Oma descend him?

SBacklin
February 9th, 2005, 11:30 AM
I wanted to post my general thoughts on the episode. I thought the episode was OK. However, there were several things that just irritated me. First, when did Jack start having an affair with that ugly bimbo. I don't remember seeing her in any previous episodes. Now she suddenly appears out of no where in Jack's bed and they appear to having some kind of an affair. Second, why did they have to mix the so called "big" ending of Anubis/Oma/Daniel storyline into one episode? It's like speeding up, then slowing down, speeding up, then slowing down. That was stupid. Third, they have to throw in Jacob/Selmak dying. What the f*** was that about. Jacob/Selmak was a great character. There is no reason to have killed him off. That was another stupid mistake and to have Sam fishing in a fishless pond pretty much right after his death. Give me a dam break. That was a big mistake on the part of TPTB. Fourth, IMO, the whole Jaffa Rebellion storyline was dragged on way too long throughout the series and I lost interest in it a long time ago. Also, calling themselves the "Jaffa Nation", give me a break, that was too corny. Their so called Nation just about got wiped out by one of the oldest tricks in the book. Fifth, I also had a problem with how they dealt with Anubis. After all they BS they had to go through with Anubis they only ended it with him being locked into some eternal battle with Oma Desala. His demise in the Lost City episode was A LOT better.

Other parts of the episode was OK. I kind of liked the mystery aspect of the "eternal battle" although for it to happen to Anubis was a bad idea. I am glad that for all tense and purposes Anubis is gone. His storyline was getting a little too old also. I did like how Oma Desala finally stood up for what was right. That part made me happy. I just wished that it was written so that Oma Desala would actually find a way to destroy Anubis and she can continue living as an Ancient. After Oma and Anubis disappeared, it would've been interesting to hear some dialogue between Daniel and the other Ancients regarding what happened. I hope there is more about Daniel being able to ascend in the future when it is really time for him to die. The whole thing with Daniel appearing naked in Jack's office was way too funny. I was ROFL.

It will be interesting to see what happens now in the 2-part episode Moebius.

Bucky
February 9th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Well, I loved it! I don't want to repeat what's been said before, but I'll reiterate that it was a great shippy episode.

A plus I don't think has been stressed are the pacing I liked the way the story kept circling around: just enough time for the each of the three stories, and we're on to another one before the current one got tedious. It would have been boring if the whole episode had been just Daniel in the Ascension Cafe. Similarly, while I love Bra'tac and Teal'c has grown on me over the years, I've never been very interested the Jaffa Rebellion episodes. And only S/J Shippers wanted to 'dwell' on the Sam/Jack/Kerry/Pete story. Me? I watched the S/J/K/P stuff twice, but I can understand how someone else might fast forward to Daniel and/or Teal'c.

So, the story just kept moving until it settled into that very sweet and gentle ending with the team at Jack's cabin. I loved that scene!

Another plus is the way Daniel, Sam, Jack and Teal'c each had to choose between a sure thing that was less-than-perfect and being cut off permanently. Daniel's was, of course, the most extreme because he choices had to choose ascension or death; Sam to choose between a guy who really did love her and being lonely the rest of her life; Jack had to choose between two great women--beautiful, smart, understanding-- one of whom was available and one who was not; and Teal'c--less obviously-- had to choose between standing with his Jaffa brothers in keeping the weapon or supporting the Tau'ri. Each was given a push by an outside force: Daniel by Oma; Sam by Jacob; Jack by Kerri; and Teal'c--well Teal'c always makes the right decison. ;)

Well done. Thanks to TPTB for a wonderful episode that answered many questions and tied up many threads.

Bucky

keppiezbt
February 9th, 2005, 11:36 AM
they have wrapped os much stuff up, i wonder what meobuis will be about

Frostfox
February 9th, 2005, 11:59 AM
they have wrapped os much stuff up, i wonder what meobuis will be about

So do I - Moebius speculation - highlight to read.
I'm wondering, just guessing, that there is some sort of reset in the last episode, leaving them fishing at the cabin but with changes - one of which could be the return of Jacob (with or without Selmec) Amanda Tapping said not to bury him too soon when asked if he would die in this episode. What else might they re-set? They wouldn't dare bring back Pete, or perhaps they would, TPTB said they might need a body guard! But could there be changes with the Anubis situation. Or the Goa'ld.

How smart are TPTB?

Suz
February 9th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Transcript and image gallery containing over 700 images has been posted. Also includes a videoclip, which is longer than usual, due to the length of the episode. (100.76mb)

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Mio
February 9th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Wow!

What an episode!

So. Oma and Anubis will be locked in an eternal battle? I'm gonna miss the Oma-isms.

But...Poor Jacob. I've very upset over that.


But at least Pete is gone.

LordAnubis
February 9th, 2005, 12:24 PM
I couldn't stand Threads. It was aptly named, tying up all the loose story threads with a mish mash of bad dialogue, bad acting and bad timing.

The Jack/Sam resolution was ... godawful. I was wincing in pain as Bimbo1 said "Is it just regulations keeping you two apart?"

And Selmack no doubt died because he couldn't stand being used as a plot bunny

Danny bumbled around in the "I don't really have a purpose" way he's been doing for the past season, while Teal'c and Bra'Tac lost all character and turned into inanely smiling buffoons, being knocked around the galaxy.

Sam's been replaced by a Replicarter, who's emotions were obviously badly copied. At least Pete's reaction was somehow believable. If only in contrast to everyone else.

Jack's 'denial' was unbelievable. Why waste scene time with him and the Bimbo, when her plot was inconsequential anyway? Why not have him being concerned Did he say ANYTHING to Jacob while he was dying? Two of your best friends are dead or dying, Jack, why are you cooking steaks? This is not in-character

I was looking forward to Season nine. After Threads, I'm not so sure.
Wow, that was like incredibly negative. Not cool :(

keppiezbt
February 9th, 2005, 12:32 PM
it leaves it a little open for upcoming seasons but i thought it answered some good questions.

Half Ascended Idiot
February 9th, 2005, 12:36 PM
Pesonally I,m gonna sit on the fence, definitely not as good as Redemption 2 but an OK ep. A few things annoyed me - it was a rushed ending which felt imcomplete being the main issue and also i think the comic fat anubis would have been a brilliant character to keep around.

The biggest thing I liked was all the hidden stuff. People have already mentioned the newspaper, but did anyone manage to hear what anubis and oma were arguing about? Its just audible but the quality of my recording wasn't great. Let us know.

Fox McCloud
February 9th, 2005, 12:37 PM
Jack was home cooking steaks. Sam came to him. Then they found out Jacob was in the infirmary.
Did you not watch it ?

IMForeman
February 9th, 2005, 12:44 PM
I have to say that I really like this episode, even if it did have the death of Jacob/Selmak. First thing about it: George Dzundza... he is one of my favorite actors. I've never seen him in anyting where I did not thoroughly enjoy his performance. It doesn't matter if it was this personification of Anubis, or Max Greevey from Law and Order, or the voice of Scarface from Batman. George is a great character actor to use here.

Second: How great is it to have Daniel making the decision between afterlife and death in Der Waffle Haus from Dead Like Me? He even sat at the Reapers's usual table, ordered waffles, and I swear I saw some post-its on the table in one of the scenes.

Third: A little movement on the Sam/Jack front. I'm not a shipper, but I don't like ignoring something like that for too long.

Fourth: "Teal'c of the Tau'ri". I love that. "ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!" Teal'c has really become a Tau'ri in many ways, and to hear it acknowleged in a respectful way. :)

Fifth (Not the Replicator! I would have said "Fif!" If I meant him): Hearing Oma say "Boy are my dogs tired." Worth the price of admission right there.

Sixth: A metric butt-load of information on the Ancients use of the weapon and the rules of Ascension.

Seventh: The last scene.

Eigth: Jack refusing to "fall for it this time." It's not a wonder he didn't seem worried when Daniel was missing. He knows well enough that Daniel will be back.

Ninth: That little Atlantis reference. I believe that is the first mention of the Wraith in SG-1.

EDIT Tenth: That Jacob's last words were telling his daughter he loves her.

-IMF

Wass
February 9th, 2005, 12:45 PM
I couldn't stand Threads. It was aptly named, tying up all the loose story threads with a mish mash of bad dialogue, bad acting and bad timing.

The Jack/Sam resolution was ... godawful. I was wincing in pain as Bimbo1 said "Is it just regulations keeping you two apart?"

And Selmack no doubt died because he couldn't stand being used as a plot bunny

Danny bumbled around in the "I don't really have a purpose" way he's been doing for the past season, while Teal'c and Bra'Tac lost all character and turned into inanely smiling buffoons, being knocked around the galaxy.

Sam's been replaced by a Replicarter, who's emotions were obviously badly copied. At least Pete's reaction was somehow believable. If only in contrast to everyone else.

Jack's 'denial' was unbelievable. Why waste scene time with him and the Bimbo, when her plot was inconsequential anyway? Why not have him being concerned Did he say ANYTHING to Jacob while he was dying? Two of your best friends are dead or dying, Jack, why are you cooking steaks? This is not in-character

I was looking forward to Season nine. After Threads, I'm not so sure.

I disagree I thought it was nicely put together with tying up a lot of lose ends and at the same time there was some character development but your entitled to your opinion.

Wass
February 9th, 2005, 12:46 PM
What's with all people starting new threads non-stop. Use the official one?

I agree completely

DarkQuee1
February 9th, 2005, 12:54 PM
This was every bit the curate's Egg. It would have been a top notch ep if it had ditched the love life stuff.

It's that horseracing thing, isn't it? 'Cause I thought the whole thing was pretty darn good!


V depressing, s8 had been pretty good for her except for Gemini.

DEfinitely horseracing. While I thought that the PTB screwed Sam's character in GEmini, I disagree that she was fine 'til then. I'm sorry: accepting a marriage proposal and going into a clinch at an op scene, in front of the men she's commanding? Some of whom probably already thought women didn't belong in the field? I can hear what would have been said by some fans had it been Jack she'd done that with (and I'm not talking about the regs issue).

Going on an op (Endgame) in heeled boots, tight pants and a leather jacket, while everyone else is in combat gear? Letting Pete talk at the top of his voice about the top secret stuff she does, with total strangers all around them? Criticizing Colson's righthand man for betrayal, while ignoring the fact that Colson betrayed his entire company and employees for his obsession, all the while setting himself up as God to decide what should be discussed and when?

I've had problems with what they've been doing all year. OTOH, I didn't have a problem with her breaking with someone if she realizes that she doesn't really love him enough to marry. Better now than later (though she really should have broken up with him because he behaved like an immature jerk in Chimera, abused his position with the police, demanded she tell him about her top security work, spied on her and then goes out and buys a house without consulting her. I don't care if he thought it fit her description; you don't do that. You talk to her about it first and you get her involved in the process. Especially if you expect her to live there. I agree, though, that the dialogue could have been better---but that's the sloppy writing I've come to expect this year.)



And then they all go fishing. Sweet.

And look how close Sam and Jack were sitting! :p


J.

Mio
February 9th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Another thought just occured.

We know the Ancients suffered from a plague, but we never really knew when, pre-atlantis, post-atlantis, etc. We could only speculate.

Anubis answered all of our questions about it. He told us what the weapon's original purpose was. Coupled with the fact that the Ancient script at Dakara was an 'old dialect', it's very safe to assume that this is what happened:

Plague Hits. Kills most life in the Milky Way
The 'weapon' at Dakara is used to repopulate the galaxy. But not with Ancients. Probably just basic plantlife, low level animals. Possibly higher mammals on some planets.
The survivng Ancients, rather than repopulate the Milky Way, go to Pegasus.

Lunar
February 9th, 2005, 01:26 PM
I know that this ep is probably going to divide the fandom...
... but with regard to Sam and Pete.
I actually think Sam was acting far more humanely by ditching the man she didn't want to marry than walk down the aisle with him. Sorry, I agree she should never have said yes in the first place if she had doubts, and I didn't like the fact she went to talk to O'Neill about it before hand... that reflected poorly on her character again...
But I didn't think her actually dumping of him was cruel. Far from it. She didn't love him, to get married to him would only have hurt him more in the long run. And I though the dumping scene was very well written. She really didn't know Pete at all was what I saw in it, by completely misjudging his reaction.
Now I just have to hope that Moeb doesn't see liberal use of the big old red reset button. Because now this whole Sam gets a life storyline is over we can maybe get back to the wondeful strong character I like.

Dinoflo
February 9th, 2005, 01:28 PM
I thought that Threads was awful, the worst episode this year. If they'd made it 2 hours long and shown all the battle scenes that take place, but are never seen, or if Baal had tried to stop Anubis, or if we'd even seen Anubis trying to use the wepon instead of just assuming that the gate activating was him it could have been better. Since this was the final showdown with Anubis it should at least have shown him more. It was a good consept, but ruined by consentrating so many scenes on Sam, and almost none on the problem of Anubis.

Sy~
February 9th, 2005, 01:40 PM
Awsome ep. Interesting how they made the relm of ascended ones live. When we figgered out that that guy was Anubis... well wow is all I can say.

The Anciants really are a misrable bunch of t**wts.

Sy~

HellBound
February 9th, 2005, 02:13 PM
Anubis comes back..with more power :) (I Hope..)

IMForeman
February 9th, 2005, 02:19 PM
I thought that Threads was awful, the worst episode this year. If they'd made it 2 hours long and shown all the battle scenes that take place, but are never seen, or if Baal had tried to stop Anubis, or if we'd even seen Anubis trying to use the wepon instead of just assuming that the gate activating was him it could have been better. Since this was the final showdown with Anubis it should at least have shown him more. It was a good consept, but ruined by consentrating so many scenes on Sam, and almost none on the problem of Anubis.

There's more to a good story than just action and battles. Sometimes it's best to focus on your characters.

-IMF

Matt G
February 9th, 2005, 02:28 PM
OK...

Reckoning definately took this to the cleaners. I'm feelinging the same about this ep as after I'd just watched Abyss - hyped to hell but on the whole didn't come up with the goods IMO. Looking back, Abyss has it's moments so maybe my opinion of this ep will improve over time.

Very nice work with Jim = Anubis though, the diner stuff as a whole was one of the better elements! The ship of various types was like gherkins on a burger though. Having said that, some people like gherkins on their burger.

That last scene in the briefing room was a laugh however.

Ancients Rising
February 9th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Threads was seriously over-hyped and/or our expectations were augmented that little extra bit. I had a sneaky feeling it would be a let down and in some ways it was. Reckoning I-II remain the best episodes of the season by a considerable margin. Reckoning II is definitely out of the old-school SG-1 copybook.

Now it is apparent to me that Threads was merely a tool for clearing up a lot of storylines; wiping the slate clean for an all new SGA copying S9 of SG-1.

They did a good job with the whole ascension thing, giving us some understandable and frankly disturbing reasons as to why Oma was the way she was. Jim being Anubis was a very unexpected twist. Many here are criticising “the others” for not intervening but TPTB kept on telling us why: We have to put our corporeal existence into its proper context. Now this will go on and on, and this thread isn’t really the place to talk about it.

What I was particularly disappointed with was the abrupt, un-impressive and as mentioned already, anti-climatic way that Anubis was effectively removed. If they’d cut to him in the corporeal and ethereal plains while otherwise engaged with Oma then the whole scene would have been better. The Goa’uld, the major enemy of the past 8 seasons are finally in the poo and all we have is talking points and descriptions? I didn’t like this….or maybe Moebius will finally put the nail in the Goa’uld coffin?

The whole episode just seemed distant. Jacob/Selmak’s death seemed distant – it was really a necessary death to begin their S9 tilt – he was a great character and the way his death was introduced and the way he died. Really poor.

Jack-Sam-Pete. I don’t want to touch on this too much. I don’t particularly find it very interesting, I know some of you guys do and I respect that. I was never fond of the whole Pete thing, seemed very odd. Anyway, I think Jack-Sam together enables the producers to reduce RDA’s role in S9, so maybe it was, again, a necessary development.

The ending with the fishing…strange… Jacob died and you go fishing? AT was poor in this episode, I agree with what Madeleine has already said earlier in the thread.

My take on it? Generally better than average SG-1 S8 episode, reflecting the standard S8 paradigm which is; promising great things and delivering on some but not all of them. Moebius seems like a Reckoning beater, hope it is!

Keffler
February 9th, 2005, 03:14 PM
SPOILERSSo what happens to Oma? Does she get punished? Or does she still live or die?


i think because they were forced to use there powers they will come back as corporeal but because Oma was all self-sarcificing (eventaully) i think the others will believe she has learnt her lesson by sarcficing herself and re-ascend her. As for Anubis I think he is a regular old Goa'uld but without a symbiote, he has his own body.

Was it me or did that paper say Dakara rather Takara?

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 9th, 2005, 03:18 PM
Oh.

My.

Goodness.

What an ep. I laughed, I cried. (I sooo cried! JAAAACOB! SELMAAAAC! We'll miss you terribly!) I cried out, because, I sooo did not see that coming when buddy turned out to be Anubis.

I expect Nuby and Oma will be recreating their own epic battle. It outta make the hoity-toity Ascended News front page for a day or two...

I don't know how many times I beat my fist in frustration with Daniel's situation. I wanted to upset a few ketchup bottles in that diner of the absurd, so when Daniel did try to get physical I felt his frustration. :mad:

But, oh, what a hoot when he re-appears in Jack's office and then come out wearing the flag(of what, I have NO idea....) :D :p :D

The ep was IMO, a little weak on the foreshadowing for future Jaffa woes; the fact the Jaffa wanted to keep the weapon could have injected a little more drama than what we got - a panel discussion among peers who are all in agreement(felt like I was watching Canadian television: all inquiries, all the time :rolleyes: ), but, still, there was so much else going on that I don't have the heart to fault the writers. They'll make up for this in season niner.

And the Sam and Jack angle was, to this ship fence-sitter, nicely done. I always knew Pete would serve as a catalyst to the S/J ship. Jack finally felt in a position to show his feelings, and from the reactions of GF, Teal'c and Daniel, it's not like either of them were hiding it all that well. :)

We were all joking that what GF meant was that she liked Jack but that she LOVED his job. She'd gladly trade him Sam in exchange for his parking space at the SGC. :p :p :p (I know that's not in the cards, but that's how my gang saw the "absolution" scene.)

I'm a happy camper. I loved this ep. I will watch it again. And again. And, most assuredly, again. :)

Cyrstal Skull Alien
February 9th, 2005, 03:25 PM
Do you think that going back in time, Sg1 actually change the timeline and make the furlings a mortal enemy worse than the Go'uld??????

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 9th, 2005, 03:30 PM
One thing that never made sense to me, is why, if Annibus is going to wipe out all life from the galaxy, even bothered giving the planet to Rebel Jaffs in the first place. If he’s just going to wipe everything out, dose it really matter if all rebel Jaff are gathered at the same place? I mean sure, he got the dial all gate trick from baal, but that’s an awful big risk he took there.[/QOUTE]

Because Evil Overlords love an audience? :p :p :p

[QOUTE]Lastly, I was kinda hoping to see baal in a final desperate attempt to stop annibus, just to save himself (and rest of the galaxy as a bonus), buying enough time for Ome to finally put an end ot Annibus once and for all.

Well, Baal will live to pester Jack another day, but I did enjoy the poetic justice of seeing Baal in the very position that the Jaffa have been in for millenia.

JackDaniels
February 9th, 2005, 03:38 PM
Watching the episode again for the third time and remembered one thing I forgot to mention before - I'm glad they answered the question from last time - "Did Baal program the Stargate to dial ALL stargates? Answer. NO. Just the ones in this galaxy. So they can come back if they can't think of any other storylines. OKay I guess, but I hope this mean Replicarter (god I can't believe I was starting to like her) found a way to survive (do a star trek and jump dimensions!) cos the little bugs, not really an option. either that or tell us Thor came for the weapon and used it in his galaxy. But even though you think the bad guy's dead, they're never really dead.

SBacklin
February 9th, 2005, 03:40 PM
What gets me is how the Ancients talk about the high & mighty rules. They say Anubis can only do stuff that he could've accomplished as if he were just another Goa'uld. However, Anubis was using knowledge he obtained when he got ascended. A normal Goa'uld wouldn't have had that knowledge. Yet the Ancients still turn a blind eye and ignore their own rules. That is what made me so mad about "the others".

Madeleine
February 9th, 2005, 04:08 PM
... I didn't have a problem with her breaking with someone if she realizes that she doesn't really love him enough to marry. Better now than later.

ITA.

I didn't have any problem with her breaking up with Pete. At least, for Pete's sake I did, but it didn't make me think any less of her that she'd dumped him. Not a bit. Why I think less of her is what followed the dumping.

Now, Pete may or may not be controlling and clingy; he may or may not have gone overboard in putting a deposit on a house. All that's Horseracing ;). What is beyond dispute is that he is a Human Being, and that he is besotted with Sam. After he was dumped he said "I knew it would end, but you were worth the risk". How gracious. He said "Don't tell me I deserve better, because there isn't any better." How sweet and considerate. He said "I hope you get what you want." How generous.

All in all, considering that he'd just been dumped by the woman of his dreams, his reaction is a model of self-restraint and maturity. Considering that *his* future has just been trodden on and broken by *her* his reaction is a paragon of kindness and generosity of spirit.

So this poor chap, crushed and miserable, who goes as far as he can in not only not giving her a hard time but in trying to make her feel better ought to be entitled to a bit of gentleness, a bit of kindness, a bit of appreciation. Cos like I said, even if you think he's a control freak he's still a Human Being and not a potato.

And what kindness does he get? She says to him "Is that it?" What appreciation does his self-restraint, maturity and generosity get him? It gets him an accusing "I thought you'd react differently". Doesn't she have it in her to say something nice? apologetic? comforting? neutral, even? Can't she wish him well for the future, or thank him for understanding? Tell him she'll miss him and leave? No, all he gets is implied criticism that he ought to have argued or begged or made more complaint about being dumped.

She's not to *blame* for him being down, but she's responsible; kicking someone when they're down is unkind enough anyway, but in kicking someone knocked down *by her* she has lost all the appeal she used to have for me. She is a complete cow to kick him while he's down. She used to be nice. It's depressing.

DarkQuee1
February 9th, 2005, 04:37 PM
Maybe "Is that it?" is supposed to mean something else: maybe it was a wondering comment. A feeling of emptiness on her part, coupled with the feeling that there *should* be something more at this moment, on both their parts. That both of them are taking it way too calmly and politely. Is he being "gracious"? Maybe nay, maybe yea. Maybe she's realizing that *neither* of them want to or are willing to fight for the relationship. And wondering, "Is that it?" as in, "Is this all there ever really was between us?"

I suspect that for some fans, nothing Sam did would have been right. If she had thrown herself at Pete's feet and wailed and begged forgiveness, she would have been called weak and hysterical and embarrassing.

J.

Madeleine
February 9th, 2005, 05:18 PM
I suspect that for some fans, nothing Sam did would have been right.

Yup. Just like for some fans nothing Daniel / Jonas / Weir / Zelenka / Martouf ever does is right. Some fans just don't like some characters.

But for someone who *did* like a character to suddenly have to face the fact that they no longer do like a character is depressing.

I'd have come away from this liking Sam still if only she had said something a bit ambiguous like "Oh Pete!" and smiled and left. Or something kind like "You're lovely. But I should go now" and left. Or something supportive like "I wish you all the best, truly" and left. Or - I won't bore you with all the myriad things I think would have been better than "I thought you'd react differently" said in an accusing voice.

This is the last straw, for me. I have watched every previous episode fully expecting to like her, but I really don't think that's going to happen any more. Grace made Sam Wet, but she was still Nice, and she had done Foothold, so I got over Grace and loved her in Chimera. Lost City made Sam Unprofessional, but she was still Nice, and she had done Exodus, so I got over LC and loved her in New Order. Gemini made her an Idiot, but she was still Nice, and she had done Matter of Time, so I shunted Gemini off to an AU and enjoyed her in Reckoning just as much as if Gemini had never happened.

But now her Niceness has been taken away, what is left of her? Even ItLoD and Solitudes don't give her enough credit to ride out Threads, because she is no longer the same Sam as was in s1-6. Not strong, not professional, not rational and not even nice. So not my Sam any more. :(

Madeleine
February 9th, 2005, 05:23 PM
(In case anyone is wondering about a number of non-sequiteurs in this thread it's because I merged in a couple of spare Threads threads :)

Bloatation
February 9th, 2005, 05:26 PM
I think (and this is only my interpretation) the reason Oma said she couldn't kill Anubis was because she assumed the others would stop her. We already knew a fully ascended can stop Anubis because Daniel was about to before Oma stopped him. What she never realized was that this entire time they had been waiting for her to fix her own mistake. Ascended really AREN'T all knowing.

Everything else is (probably intentionally) hazy. We don't really know how the return to human form really works. I can guess that they have they can do it themselves (ascended in love with Sam could, and Oma said it was Daniel's choice) but don't really know if it really works like that or if he could while only half-ascended. We also don't know whether Oma and Anubis are dead, although she's at least put his plans for galactic repopulation on hiatus.
well she said "i cant kill you, but i can fight you and YOU HAVE to fight me"....think about it, she knew it was at a critical point in the battle, and she forced anubis into some kind of fight, the fact that he was in that half-ascended plane fighting oma meant that he couldnt coordinate his kull warriors or activate the weapon, that was omas intention!
I seriously doubt it was her intention to wait for the verge of defeat before fighting him though. I see no reasoning behind this. Why wait when she could do it any time? She just suddenly up and decided to stop him. Pretty anti-climactic deus ex machina if you ask me.

Shipperahoy
February 9th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I see your point Madeleine. I never looked at it that way. I took it to be that she was surprised that he was being so kind. That she expected him to completely lose it or be very angry with her. I hope that was the way it was intended cuz if not then you're right, that was not very nice of her.

Lt. Elliot
February 9th, 2005, 05:33 PM
Wow. 90 minutes of heaven for me today after a horrible last two days. :( Love stinks, but :D Stargate is there for me!! I may not have gotten my Atlantis, but I got a whole SG1 episode and almost 1/2 an Atlantis episode, right? Hehe. So here I go!

Things I Liked:
1. 90 minutes! YAY! Made my week!
2. Mel Harris is back! You gotta love her! And the dark hair looks good when she morphs to "Meredian Oma" from Waitress Oma. Almost like a new Barbie doll.
3. The whole ascencion issue and what happened to Daniel and Anubis has been solved. FINALLY!
4. Sam/Jack! I'm not a shipper, I'm a slasher! But I have to say, that moment when they were watching Jacob was awesome! I have never seen a better moment before. And Jacob telling her to forget the rules and even Kerry doing it too! :D
5. End of Anubis?!?! Or is it?
6. Daniel came back! NAKED YET AGAIN! :rolleyes: Sam was so embarrased and Bra'tac just smiled.
7. We still have Ta'kara and Anubis didn't kill everyone! YAY!

Things I Didn't Like:
1. Jacob/Selmak is gone! :( I am really going to miss them.
2. Jack's first relationship since Laira I think and it didn't even last that long.
3. Pete was in it. :S Blech!
4. Jim was Anubis? WOAH! That was just creepy.
5. Those Ancients and higher beings are so getting on my nerves. So stuck up and wouldn't even listen or let you touch them.
6. Oma helped Anubis? I think she's smart enough to figure out Anubis is bad!
7. Ancients did nothing to stop him from using the Ancient knowledge when the knowledge he got he could never have obtained if he was still a normal Goa'uld.
8. STUPID EPISODE (though I loved it) GOT IN THE WAY OF MOEBIUS! I just can't wait for that!! But I did like the episode, just the whole, still one week till the season finale.

Good Quotes/Moments:
1. The bowing down to Teal'c and Bra'tac scene.
2. Jack/Sam in observation :D :D :D Never been so happy to see the two of them together!
3. When Sam dumped Pete...bye bye Stalker Pete.
4. Any scene with Oma. She is just so awesome and I love Mel Harris.
5. WAFFLES! The weirdest thing is we had a vocab. test today and a synonym to a word was waffles and we had a huge discussion about them. Just had to throw that in.
6. Scene with Jacob and Pete. Wow, he is stupid. Talk about awkward.
7. When Sam shows up at Jack's house and almost tells him how she feels, but then that little redheaded bia walked out and ruined that moment. Still a good scene. And yet again, we see that beer. Alcoholic! :D

So I give "Threads" a 10/10 as "Reckoning, Part 2" got. Good episodes this second half. Exciting! :p "Moebius: Part 1" next week. I am already so excited about it.

Oh, and I forgot! SHE DUMPED PETE! I have never been so happy in m life. I almost cried because Pete deserves to be with Daniel (love that Pete-Daniel Slashers thread) or just not be with Sam. She is too good for him.

Ace
February 9th, 2005, 05:36 PM
Must say I was thrown off by the death of Jacob/Selmak, having read the spoilers I knew that they seriously ill. But never in my wildest dreams did I think that they would die.

I must say I actually came close to let a tear go...never have I come that close. With Daniel...I didn't because it was his choice to leave SG-1. Janet, got closer and was an emotional episode, but I didn't shed any tears. But I got real, and I mean real close when Jacob said "I love you" to Sam. Just the expressions on both of their faces did it for me.

Maybe because Bra'tac and Jacob were my favorite recurring characters, and they seemed to be used together alot. When I say that I mean, they were often in the same episodes. As I think Peter DeLuise said, it's liking having the family come together. And I know for a fact that Amanda Tapping has said that her favorite episodes are the ones with Carmen Argenziano.

Another sad day for Stargate...especially with Jacob and Pete leaving the show. Presumably... I liked both of their characters.

BTW...It also annoyed me that they couldn't look up the correct dates. They kept saying 4 years instead of 6. Minor flaw...I'll just have to remember to think they said 6 each time I watch it from now on. :D

Ace

Madeleine
February 9th, 2005, 05:43 PM
I see your point Madeleine. I never looked at it that way. I took it to be that she was surprised that he was being so kind. That she expected him to completely lose it or be very angry with her. I hope that was the way it was intended cuz if not then you're right, that was not very nice of her.

If she had said anythin nice to go with what she did say then I expect I'd be able to see it the same way as you. I can also see why other people don't think she was out of order, because I accept that she was taken aback by Pete's decent and sweet behaviour when he was clearly so upset.

It's just a YMMV thing, and it's probably something that a lot of people will think i'm weird for caring about or for even noticing ;) cos it's only seconds long and it's a one-off. But I do think it's a big deal, myself.

AlphaBlu
February 9th, 2005, 06:09 PM
I find it perplexing that episodes like Chimera and Affinity get called 'soap opera' because Sam & Jack don't get together and Sam & Pete do, and that this one gets excellent ratings because, even though it's the same type of soap-opera nonsense, Sam & Jack get together.

Methinks shippers have a set of serious double standards. I really hope Mobius screws with the timeline enough that Threads never happened.

And before anyone says it, I'm not anti-ship, I'm anti-shippers - the type of people who would call an episode good because it had ship in it, and not because it was a good episode.

Someone also mentioned that Jacob's death felt distant. I think I agree with that. I, a guy who doesn't usually do this, was in tears during Heroes 2. With Jacob's death I felt... nothing. I got worried when Bra'tac said "My last fight", but I was like "Meh" when Jacob said he was dying. It really did stink of "Last Season! Quick! End things!"

Personally, the idiotic shippiness and the terrible job AT did of this episode didn't annoy me. I could've lived with that (and the fishing, which was quite funny) if the Anubis/Oma resolution had actually been a resolution, not a fancy explosion and then... nothing.

Tannith's death in 48 Hours left a bitter taste on my mouth. The Oma/Anubis thing does as well. That bit was anti-climax personified in a 1960's diner.

BYE

Madeleine
February 9th, 2005, 06:24 PM
I find it perplexing that episodes like Chimera and Affinity get called 'soap opera' because Sam & Jack don't get together and Sam & Pete do, and that this one gets excellent ratings because, even though it's the same type of soap-opera nonsense, Sam & Jack get together.

Methinks shippers have a set of serious double standards.

It might be because Shippers (the Individuals) don't coordinate their opinions so much as form them Individually; so it's not really fair to shippers to imply that they're having 'double standards' just cos some of them say one thing and others say another thing. It's not compulsory for shippers to have a hive mind.

(Do Daniel fans have a serious set of double standards because Madeleine thinks MS is a Top Bloke and Alphablu doesn't? ;) )


And before anyone says it, I'm not anti-ship, I'm anti-shippers - the type of people who would call an episode good because it had ship in it, and not because it was a good episode

I'm not sure it's wise to announce yourself to be anti-shippers in a public place. There are dozens of shippers here, but even if there was only one, how do you think they would feel about you implying that you are anti- them just because of the stuff in an ep that makes them happy?

In short:
Please discuss the episode. Do not discuss Shippers or any other Fan Group in this thread. If anyone wants to comment on Fan Reaction to this ep (which is only just on-topic) please try and stay positive or neutral in how you speak of other fans.

Thank you

Madeleine

Blend
February 9th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Thought the episode was great.

Usually i have alot of hatred for relationship stuff in shows, but they did ok with it and it didnt bother me.

Great ep, loved Jim being anubis.. he seemed like a great guy at the start lol.

:( sad that jocob/selmak died.

Im also pleased that they decided not to kill Ba'al in that scene near the start.


Great ep :D

Congerking
February 9th, 2005, 06:35 PM
Yes, Yes, a damn good episode.

Some good quotes:

Oma: I told you before. The galaxy YOU'RE from, the plane of existence, is so small and insignificant, compared to the rest of the universe.

Daniel: I don't care. It's wrong.

Oma: That's what you said last time.
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That's pretty interesting, so Oma's from a different galaxy, not really unexpected, but still interesting.

The Ascended Times was fantastic, with the mention of the wraith heading toward Atlantis.

I won't blab my thoughts, meen too much of that already; but I'll leave with two questions.

1) Did the other ancients send daniel back to earth? oma couldn't have because she'll be fight anubis forever. and they didn't seem to care much about him while he was at the diner.

2) Who in the bloody hell could be the enemy in season 9? everybody's freaking dead.......ba'al's not powerful enought to whip everybody....and interesting twist would be anubis after defeating oma, but that won't happen.......GOD, have to wait till july...grrrrr

Shipperahoy
February 9th, 2005, 06:38 PM
As just one individual shipper I have to say that my problems with Chimera weren't due to the relationship stuff being a soap opera. I'm not going to pretend that as a S/J shipper that it didn't bug me to see Sam getting together with someone other than Jack but I knew it was coming and thus prepared myself for that. My main problems with Chimera were the fact that I felt Pete was poorly written (and I actually grew to like Pete in subsequent episodes though I still did not want him with Sam) and I felt like the Daniel/Osiris story line deserved much more time than it got.

I liked Threads because the S/J stuff really wasn't that big of a part of the storyline. The main focus of the show was on Daniel (as it should have been) and the rebel Jaffa. Also there was no random S/J snogging and there was no gratuitous bedroom scene.

MartoufMarty
February 9th, 2005, 06:58 PM
Oh... My... God...

Just finished watching this episode...

Random thoughts:

... OH MY GOD!

The Waffle House! I knew about 5 minutes after we saw the guy that it was Anubis!

Jacob! I cried when he died! That was so sad! :( I'll miss him so much!

I didn't really care too much with what was going on with Teal'c and Bra'tac. I kept on saying, "Go back to the Waffle House!"

The whole thing with the Waffle House had me laughing at first but it was just so cool. Loved the Ascended Times. Loved Oma. Wow.

She's probably dead too :( That's sad. Even though all that stuff she was saying in Meridian and that annoyed the hell out of me, I always like Oma.

Sam dumped Pete, and Kerry dumped Jack! Oh, like we couldn't see that coming :P

Loved the little bit with Jack and Sam with the little half-hug. That was cute, yet sad because of Jacob...

Favorite part has to be when Daniel shows up again at the SGC. Hehehehe.

They all go fishing!

Holy crap, I so cannot wait for the last two episodes!!

Wow. Has to be one of the best episodes of Stargate SG-1 ever! And an extra bonus with it being so long. After seeing this, I would have yelled if they only had it as the regular 42 minute ep.

Wow... Just... Wow!

AlphaBlu
February 9th, 2005, 07:25 PM
It might be because Shippers (the Individuals) don't coordinate their opinions so much as form them Individually; so it's not really fair to shippers to imply that they're having 'double standards' just cos some of them say one thing and others say another thing. It's not compulsory for shippers to have a hive mind.

You've read through this thread right? The 'hive mind' thing isn't far off. ;)


(Do Daniel fans have a serious set of double standards because Madeleine thinks MS is a Top Bloke and Alphablu doesn't? ;) )

Ah, but I like Daniel because I like Dainel. MS is just the guy who plays him, and does not factor into my opinions of the character. :)


I'm not sure it's wise to announce yourself to be anti-shippers in a public place. There are dozens of shippers here, but even if there was only one, how do you think they would feel about you implying that you are anti- them just because of the stuff in an ep that makes them happy?

Two things about this:

1. I actually kinda do have to announce it. Last time I took an anti-shipper POV it was misinterpreted as me not wanting to see Jack & Sam together and I was bombarded with many, many 'Just 'cause you don't wanna see it happen doesn't mean that we can't!' messages. To avoid that happening again I thought I'd make it clear that I'm not anti-ship.

2. I don't dislike them because there are things in an episode that they like, I dislike them because an episode, good or bad, will always be coloured by that particular view. I thought Threads had many problems that had nothing to do with the shippy stuff, but I've seen so many comments that are just "OMG! Jack & Sam! 10/10!!! LOL!" and it's quite frustrating. In other words, the episode gets high marks based on that alone without any critical view of the rest of the episode.

It'd be like me liking The Changeling just because Daniel was in it. I didn't like The Changeling because Daniel was in it. I liked The Changeling because it was the best episode of Season 6 and had so many other nice things in it besides Daniel.

I have no problem with people being happy that they've seen certain things in an episode. I do have a problem with someone gushing over a particular episode due to one thing to the point where they ignore all the faults (and significant faults in the case of Threads).

This is why I simply could not stand posting over at SDJ.com when it was still called that. You couldn't have a critical discussion about a Season 6 episode because half of the replies were "Daniel wasn't in it therefore it sucks". Or any other episode for that matter where Daniel wasn't front and centre 100% of the time "Daniel wasn't in it much/he was wallpaper (I hate the word) therefore it sucks".

The same thing happens here. We have a super-anticlimactic ending to the Anubis storyline, we have the major plot point of the Jaffa Nation that needs more time given to it, we have a major character dying to serve the plot and all we get is "SQEEE! Jack & SAM! 10/10!! LOL!".

Sorry, I expected more depth.

BYE

rhade
February 9th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Does all this mean that Daniel has some memories and ancient be it in his subconsious or otherwise that he could learn to access later own especially in season 9 where they are gonna explore the Ancients acendence it could be used to help develop Daniel's character as tptb have said there are some good storylines coming up for him. I hope this bodes well for season 9.

Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 07:59 PM
Only a shipper from this site would say that Danny and T were being chaperones. It's almost laughable.

I said the "chaperone" comment and I've never considered myself a "shipper" [shudders].

Obviously I didn't mean chaperoning in the active sense. Rather, I felt that the writers placed Daniel and Teal'c in the final scene, in the background with no lines as a sort of "virtual chaperone", lest any viewers mistake Jack and Sam's fishing date as a "real date".

Klems
February 9th, 2005, 08:02 PM
Three words:

SG-1's finest hour.

Ace
February 9th, 2005, 08:09 PM
2. I don't dislike them because there are things in an episode that they like, I dislike them because an episode, good or bad, will always be coloured by that particular view. I thought Threads had many problems that had nothing to do with the shippy stuff, but I've seen so many comments that are just "OMG! Jack & Sam! 10/10!!! LOL!" and it's quite frustrating. In other words, the episode gets high marks based on that alone without any critical view of the rest of the episode.

I have no problem with people being happy that they've seen certain things in an episode. I do have a problem with someone gushing over a particular episode due to one thing to the point where they ignore all the faults (and significant faults in the case of Threads).

This is why I simply could not stand posting over at SDJ.com when it was still called that. You couldn't have a critical discussion about a Season 6 episode because half of the replies were "Daniel wasn't in it therefore it sucks". Or any other episode for that matter where Daniel wasn't front and centre 100% of the time "Daniel wasn't in it much/he was wallpaper (I hate the word) therefore it sucks".

The same thing happens here. We have a super-anticlimactic ending to the Anubis storyline, we have the major plot point of the Jaffa Nation that needs more time given to it, we have a major character dying to serve the plot and all we get is "SQEEE! Jack & SAM! 10/10!! LOL!".

Sorry, I expected more depth.

Absouletly agree with you 100%!! Though I wasn't a big fan of the Changeling, I understand and agree with you.

Though I'm not a favorite of ship, I don't exactly mind it, it's just not what I look forward to in my weekly dose of Stargate. Whenever I try to say what you have said, I get those nasty red rep points... obviously I didn't state it quite right.

So to even out the score, I have added some green points to your profile, for getting the words just right. I myself nearly got kicked out of SDJ.com, after complaining that everyone there was just dissing the episodes because there wasn't enough Daniel in it, or the team ignored Daniel, or Daniel wasn't happy. Whatever the case maybe, but then the episodes of Season 6 that did have Daniel in were just adored. Even though most of the people there, swore they would never watch Season 6 because Daniel wasn't a main character anymore.

It's not that I'm anti-ship or anti-Daniel, I guess I just don't like the extremes because they influence everyone's opinion of what are usually high quality stargate episodes. Anyway, you stated far better than I ever could, so I'll just stop talking and have everybody just look up and reread your post for my point! :D

Ace

AlphaBlu
February 9th, 2005, 08:11 PM
I said the "chaperone" comment and I've never considered myself a "shipper" [shudders].

Therefore I must apologise.

BYE

Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 08:21 PM
I thought that Threads was awful, the worst episode this year. If they'd made it 2 hours long and shown all the battle scenes that take place, but are never seen, or if Baal had tried to stop Anubis, or if we'd even seen Anubis trying to use the wepon instead of just assuming that the gate activating was him it could have been better. Since this was the final showdown with Anubis it should at least have shown him more. It was a good consept, but ruined by consentrating so many scenes on Sam, and almost none on the problem of Anubis.

"almost none on the problem of Anubis"?

Geez, he talks more in this episode than in any previous episode. And we actually get insight into his true personality and not that "I am your god" pretentiousness that we usually get from him.

Mega battle scenes are not always required to show conflict. Besides, it's already been well-established that blowing up his mothership and fleet doesn't really get rid of him.

AlphaBlu
February 9th, 2005, 08:26 PM
Absouletly agree with you 100%!! Though I wasn't a big fan of the Changeling, I understand and agree with you.

Changeling was, in my mind, the best ep of Season 6. Not my fav ep of Season 6 (that goes to Prometheus and Alligeance), but as far as over-all storylines, use of character, acting, writing, directing etc. etc. I thought The Changeling was fantstic.

That's the reason why I liked it. I didn't just go "DANIEL! SQEEE!" Not that I ever go 'sqeee', but you get my point. ;)


Whenever I try to say what you have said, I get those nasty red rep points... obviously I didn't state it quite right.

So to even out the score, I have added some green points to your profile, for getting the words just right.

Why do you think I disabled reputation? Because every time I speak my mind here I get half a dozen shippers going "This'll show 'em!" and hitting the 'bad' button in rep, as though it actually matters.


It's not that I'm anti-ship or anti-Daniel, I guess I just don't like the extremes because they influence everyone's opinion of what are usually high quality stargate episodes. Anyway, you stated far better than I ever could, so I'll just stop talking and have everybody just look up and reread your post for my point! :D

I left SDJ.com before they could kick me out, then laughed heartily when Nightwalkers... no... Shadowplay (I think) got the same ratings as Abyss.

I've often said that I'm a walking contradiction when it comes to Stargate. Daniel is my fav character, yet I was happy when he left, my Avatar is Jonas (who's not my fav character), and I thought Season 6 was fantastic. I also thought that Daniels' 3 appearences in Season 6 were better than all 44 appearences in Seasons 4 & 5.

I'm going to steal your wording here for a second and say that, like you, I'm not anti-ship and (going back on topic now), the reviews for Threads here are are "influenced" by these "extremes". And, whilst I'm not about to tell everyone 'stop being happy about shippy moments', what I would like to get across is this:

Stop saying an episode is good or bad based only upon shippy moments (or Daniel moments, or Tea'c moments, or Team moments). Say an episode is good or bad based upon the merits of the episode itself, not just the one segment of it that pandered to your particular faction of the fandom.

I'm not about to call Fallen/Homecoming fantastic episodes because I finally got to see Jonas and my fav character Daniel interacting. I'm going to call Fallen/Homecoming fantastic episodes because of the writing, acting, direction, FX and general structure of it, and because I finally got to see Jonas and my fav character Daniel interacting. ;)

Threads was an episode with a multitude of problems, the least of which was the Jack/Sam stuff.

BYE

Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 08:39 PM
I thought Threads had many problems that had nothing to do with the shippy stuff, but I've seen so many comments that are just "OMG! Jack & Sam! 10/10!!! LOL!" and it's quite frustrating. In other words, the episode gets high marks based on that alone without any critical view of the rest of the episode.

I have no problem with people being happy that they've seen certain things in an episode. I do have a problem with someone gushing over a particular episode due to one thing to the point where they ignore all the faults (and significant faults in the case of Threads).


Actually, I one of those who thought the Sam/Jack stuff was interesting but not really the important part of the episode. I was very impressed with the Daniel/Oma/Anubis diner storyline and how it all played out.

You might feel there are myriad faults in this episode and you are entitled to that opinion. But many other fans truly enjoyed the entire episode, whether they're "shippers" or not. You'll just have to learn to accept that.

Blend
February 9th, 2005, 08:51 PM
^^ agreed.

It was a good ep all round. It did its job of closing/explaning/summing up alot of issues, ready for the 2 final episodes.

Good show!

IMForeman
February 9th, 2005, 08:56 PM
I just thought of another thing I liked about this episode: Jack's Girlfriend (I'm blanking on her name) came up with an interesting idea... If Jack retired, he could still be head of the SGC, just as Dr. Weir was a civilian head of the SGC. Then there would be no regulation against Jack and Sam being together. I wonder... if RDA had been amenable to a full season 9, would they have persured this route? Mr. O'Neill? Might have been cool.

-IMF

Easter Lily
February 9th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Stop saying an episode is good or bad based only upon shippy moments (or Daniel moments, or Tea'c moments, or Team moments). Say an episode is good or bad based upon the merits of the episode itself, not just the one segment of it that pandered to your particular faction of the fandom.

Threads was an episode with a multitude of problems, the least of which was the Jack/Sam stuff.

I do see where you're coming from AB and even have some sympathy for a number of things you've said but if you're expecting human beings to be a 100% objective all of the time... you're doomed for disappointment.

To me "Threads" is a double edged sword, on the one hand it tries to tie up loose ends... but on the other, it seems to create new ones. I thought it was a surprisingly moving episode (with some nice father-daughter stuff) and the twist with Anubis was good fun. Sam was obviously made to seem vulnerable and confused but I didn't think Jack had the same kind of angst. In fact, at times I thought Jack was actually looking happy in his new relationship and then quite abruptly... the new GF drops him like a hot potato because he "apparently has issues". It was just too convenient... too calculated... So while Anubis and Oma tough it in some eternal cosmic battle, SG-1 takes some time out to go fishing... actually it's Jack and Sam that's fishing but Teal'c (obviously taking time out of his heavy responsibilities with the new Jaffa nation) and Daniel (who has another new sunbronzed body) are along to make sure all manner of etiquette and propriety are being adhered to... right... :p

In some ways I'm glad that the S/J shippers are happy with this particular aspect of the episode because they actually care about it and want it so desperately. Some of us don't. Some of us are just purely indifferent. I am, however, always more than a little disturbed at how convenient it is to dissolve relationships on screen but perhaps fiction is occasionally stranger than truth.

P.S. Ha! Finally some confirmation that the Ascendants are flawed, sanctimonious and all too human...

mayorbill11
February 9th, 2005, 09:24 PM
You know what, I really wanted to see Ba'al take care of Anubis, not Oma Desala.

Although that was the best scene in the entire episode.

lordvader
February 9th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Can I put forth a theory ?
According to Oma, the "ascended" won't interfere with Anubis as long as he does things that he could have done as a mortal. Obviously, as a mortal, he could have destroyed all life in the galaxy. However, as a mortal, he would not have been able to survive, so if Anubis did activate the device, life would have ended, but according to the rules, he would not be allowed to survive.

Madeleine
February 9th, 2005, 09:50 PM
Stop saying an episode is good or bad based only upon shippy moments (or Daniel moments, or Tea'c moments, or Team moments). Say an episode is good or bad based upon the merits of the episode itself, not just the one segment of it that pandered to your particular faction of the fandom.


This is a forum where people are able to like what they like for whatever reason they choose. That's not going to change.




I have no problem with people being happy that they've seen certain things in an episode. I do have a problem with someone gushing over a particular episode due to one thing to the point where they ignore all the faults (and significant faults in the case of Threads).

If people gush, it's because this ep genuinely brings them joy. I'm not going to let anyone tell the gushing shippers that their reasons for their joy aren't good enough. (Especially as I've noticed that a number of people who I know to be shippers did post about Daniel, Jacob, Teal'c etc. How much more would they have to mention DJ et al before you'd accept that they have a right to genuinely like all of this ep?)

If there are shippers ignoring the faults in this ep then it may be because *they didn't spot any*. What you see as a fault might not be what others see. I know a staunch anti-shipper who loved it and found no fault - does that help you to understand that people's inability to find fault with this ep is not a Shipper Failing but just a YMMV thing? *I* failed to identify as Faults a number of things you posted were wrong with this ep.


I've already asked you not to disparage any groups of fans, and I've already made it clear that discussion of fans' responses to this ep is tangential to the topic at best. I think I'd better state it more explicitly.

Do not disparage any groups of fans, including (but not limited to) Shippers Who Like Threads.

Do not analyse Fans' response to this ep. Mentioning fan response in terms of how successful Threads was is legit. Analysing and critiquing Fans' response is not legit.

lordvader
February 9th, 2005, 10:46 PM
I was just thinking, Oma said Anubis couldn't be killed, but he can/has been locked into an eternal battle. Therefore, when Daniel was previously ascended, was he going to do the same thing and lock Anubis in eternal battle, or did he perhaps have the ability to kill him ?
Replicarter did say (or at least beleive) that Daniel had the power to kill Anubis ...

Still, an eternal battle between two ascended would be awesome to behold ! Maybe in S9, we can get some "between rounds" highlights of the battle!

Buzz Lightyear
February 9th, 2005, 11:49 PM
actually it's Jack and Sam that's fishing but Teal'c (obviously taking time out of his heavy responsibilities with the new Jaffa nation)

As usual, you make some very perceptive points. I guess even Jaffa nation builders need a weekend off, now and then. :p


I am, however, always more than a little disturbed at how convenient it is to dissolve relationships on screen but perhaps fiction is occasionally stranger than truth.

But that's only because we've taken to accepting so much bizarreness in life as the norm. How else do we account for Britney's advocacy of the sanctity of marriage? ;)


P.S. Ha! Finally some confirmation that the Ascendants are flawed, sanctimonious and all too human...

It's only because our tiny minds cannot hope to understand the vast complexities of the myriad planes of existence...or so I read in The Ascended Times. :D

kashi
February 10th, 2005, 12:43 AM
The very first thing I thought when Daniel was talking to the fat guy was "he's Anubis". Kind of a lame episode, but I still enjoyed it. Anyone know why it was longer than normal?

kodamawu
February 10th, 2005, 01:38 AM
The very first thing I thought when Daniel was talking to the fat guy was "he's Anubis". Kind of a lame episode, but I still enjoyed it. Anyone know why it was longer than normal?
there was just a lot of stuff they wanted to show so they made it an extra long ep.
i personally thought it was great up until the end.
daniel appearing in jack's office seemed a bit... too convenient?
i mean he dies, ascends, comes back, dies again, almost ascends but ends up in the boardroom this time but with his memory... i was expecting some very emotional ending like daniel ascending but sticking to the rules and/or not coming back this time. i mean i love daniel and i think hes great on the show, but really they need to make up their minds, they cant just kill him and bring him back only to kill him and bring him back again... thats like cheating! they had better explain what happened... and they had better not kill daniel again... i thought this episode could have been a great end to the series if they had just altered the ending a bit, jack and sam get together, t'ilk and bra'tac have their jaffa land, anubis is defeated, everybody lives happily ever after... i really think season 9 is a mistake... i'll watch it, but i really just don't think its a good idea...

lordvader
February 10th, 2005, 01:51 AM
But let's face it everyone, didn't we all take an instant liking to "Joe" ?
He looks like loads of fun to be around !
You reckon that's what Anubis the g'ould looked like ? How fun would that have been ?

mayorbill11
February 10th, 2005, 02:08 AM
I wonder if the Goa'uld like coffee that much?

This episode did have some predictability to it, I started thinking that the fat guy was Anubis when Oma and him were arguing at the counter, and had a feeling he was someone right from the start.

Also, I knew Jacob was done for as soon as Sam introduced Pete to him. Actually, I thought that Selmac had already left him. When Pete said "You have one of those things in you" I half expected him to say "Well...".

I think the reason is that this episode was supposed to be so big I guess you could say it that all my crazy guesses about Jacob dying and Anubis being the guy in the diner turned out to be true, so it ended up feeling predictable.

Albion
February 10th, 2005, 02:48 AM
Methinks shippers have a set of serious double standards.

Hey! Hey! Hey! To quote Jack. <g> Who you calling a...oh, wait, wrong track. :D

Woah - back up there just a minute, old buddy. I think you omitted a 'some' in the middle of that there. :p 'some shippers'. May have.

I've personally never said anything on SG was soap opera. Not P/S, not J/S.

So...just checks under her keyboard to make sure...yup, all out of double standards today. ;)

Actually the charge of relationship plotlines on SG being soap opera has mostly come from the anti-shippers, in my experience. Well, from the posts I've read.

Did you note the qualification there? Mostly. Because as individuals - as Madelaine rightly pointed out - they don't all have the one thought process. And since I can't claim to have read every single post on this forum, that mostly isn't even remotely close to a scientific count, so my impression could be wildly skewed anyway.

But, to be serious, just for a moment. ;)


2. I don't dislike them because there are things in an episode that they like, I dislike them because an episode, good or bad, will always be coloured by that particular view. I thought Threads had many problems that had nothing to do with the shippy stuff, but I've seen so many comments that are just "OMG! Jack & Sam! 10/10!!! LOL!" and it's quite frustrating. In other words, the episode gets high marks based on that alone without any critical view of the rest of the episode.

And? Just to take one example off the top of my head - there are SG fans on these mbs who enjoy the show because they like to see things get blown up. I've read many an episode review post saying nothing more than "The pyramid blew up! Wow! Terrific! 10 out of 10!" Why castigate just shippers (some of ;) ) for taking that view? If that's what they (shippers and explosion fans) liked about an episode, why shouldn't they have the right to register that opinion, just like everyone else here? That's up to them, surely? There's no rule - least I don't think there is - that says 'every episode review post on these mbs must be a critical and in depth analysis of all plot points'. So you will frustrate yourself if you expect them to be.

And, since not all posts are like the ones you cite, and there are plenty to be read in this thread which are the type of critical review you crave, I don't see what the problem is. We have posts in this thread for all tastes.


I do have a problem with someone gushing over a particular episode due to one thing to the point where they ignore all the faults (and significant faults in the case of Threads).

And, here's a thought. Perhaps those posters you're complaining about aren't criticising those other plot points because they simply don't share your view that there were problems with them. They simply aren't obliged to say so in their post. You know, it is possible, that others have a different opinion from you of an episode. Simply because your opinion is that the episode had serious faults in some plot lines, don't automatically make it a fact. It's just your opinion. As important and valid, neither more nor less, than any others'.

Buzz Lightyear wrote:


Obviously I didn't mean chaperoning in the active sense. Rather, I felt that the writers placed Daniel and Teal'c in the final scene, in the background with no lines as a sort of "virtual chaperone", lest any viewers mistake Jack and Sam's fishing date as a "real date".

My thought was that it was TPTB hedging their bets. Someone earlier said that they were amazed some shippers thought the fishing scene meant closure for the S/J relationship. Well, you can hardly blame them there. Sam accepting a fishing trip invitation from Jack has been clearly held up by TPTB for some years now as a metaphor for them finally coming together as a couple.

So...we have Jack and Sam, fishing. Apparently alone. "Yay", we all go (well, some of us do <G>) - "finally, they're together." Closure.End of chapter, end of (this) story.

Then TPTB toss in Daniel and Teal'c and, with them there, I see them as saying, "Well...yeah. Okay. They're together. But...you know...we're keeping our options open. Just letting you know that. This might be the end to the J/S ship storyline. And then again...maybe not." ;)

My own view is that it ain't over till it's over. <g> And there are some intriguing spoilers around already that suggest it might not be as tied up in a neat little bow as Threads would have us believe:

Since spoilers state that Jack leaves the SGC to take over Homeland security. If true...then he didn't take Kerry's advice after all, did he? <g>

Albion :)

Jace021903
February 10th, 2005, 04:42 AM
I just thought of another thing I liked about this episode: Jack's Girlfriend (I'm blanking on her name) came up with an interesting idea... If Jack retired, he could still be head of the SGC, just as Dr. Weir was a civilian head of the SGC. Then there would be no regulation against Jack and Sam being together. I wonder... if RDA had been amenable to a full season 9, would they have persured this route? Mr. O'Neill? Might have been cool.

-IMF


See, that confused me because he would still be the boss. Aren't there regulations regarding relationships between civilian and military personnel as well?

Jace

Chaka's_Mum
February 10th, 2005, 04:54 AM
I loved it too. Wanting to be able to say that and know that there's less of a risk of spoilers in this forum if I start burbling about it is probably the main reason why I finally stopped lurking and joined up.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was reminded of the diner in 'Dead Like Me'. Was anyone else listening out for Bavarian Accordion music?

Once again, MS gives an outstanding performance (is there even an occasion when he hasn't?) as a massively frustrated DJ who wants to stop what's happening - but can't. Loved the Anubis twist at the end, too. I never guessed for a moment (maybe I'm just a really slow Unas Matriarch, though).

Given that we haven't heard a squeak from Baal since Anubis told him he was for the chop when the megaweapon thingy got activated and wiped out all galactic life, I hope we see him again in the future. His smugness and arrogance while helping Sam and Jacob with the replicator problem was great fun. I like that in a baddie.

keppiezbt
February 10th, 2005, 05:00 AM
Awsome ep. Interesting how they made the relm of ascended ones live. When we figgered out that that guy was Anubis... well wow is all I can say.

The Anciants really are a misrable bunch of t**wts.

Sy~

yes but like oma said not all of the asended are ancients....so the non ascended ancients are t**wts too

keppiezbt
February 10th, 2005, 05:04 AM
i meant non ancient ascended folk..


also, while oma said she could kill him, anubis said the others use their collective power to keep him in check which makes me think, that they could use their collective power to fully deacsend him or just wipe him out of existence.

SBacklin
February 10th, 2005, 06:13 AM
Can I put forth a theory ?
According to Oma, the "ascended" won't interfere with Anubis as long as he does things that he could have done as a mortal. Obviously, as a mortal, he could have destroyed all life in the galaxy. However, as a mortal, he would not have been able to survive, so if Anubis did activate the device, life would have ended, but according to the rules, he would not be allowed to survive.


Here is something to add to your statement. I mentioned it before but here it is again. The Ancients say that they would not interfere as long as Anubis only did things he could have done while he was a normal Goa'uld. As you mentioned, as a mortal he wouldn't been able to survive this long (Lost City incident). Also, like I mentioned before, as a mere mortal he never would've had access to the knowledge of the Ancient's technology like he did when he was ascended. So my question is with those two arguements, why didn't the Ancients follow their own rules and stop Anubis a long time ago?

KatG
February 10th, 2005, 06:24 AM
My thoughts for what it's worth.

I liked this episode. I wasn't sure I would, because even though I am a shipper, I wasn't sure if they would handle the ship the right way. But I think they did. It was subtle, but it was there.

Some points that were mentioned in this thread, and I can't even begin to remember who said what.

1)The Jack/Kerry relationship - someone mentioned it was just a one-off, but they've been building it for several episodes. I don't remember which one, but several episodes back, Jack mentioned a meeting he had with someone named Johnson at the CIA. As Kerry Johnson is that person, I take that to assume that when they met, they clicked and the relationship has been evolving since then. Just because this is the first time we've seen her with him, doesn't mean it's the first time they've been "together".

2)Jacob dying to move the S/J plot along - Sam was already starting to realize that it wasn't going to work with Pete. We know that she had serious doubts anyway, since it took her so long to say yes. But then we have Pete/Jacob meeting which didn't really go that well, then the "emergency" phone call about flowers when she's in a meeting, then buying the house without consulting her, it was a nice gesture, but I know it would have bothered me. Then she goes to Jack's to talk to him, because she's really starting to have doubts. I think if Kerry hadn't come out, that she would have expressed those doubts, and made a decision then. But she didn't have time to because then she got the call about Jacob.

3)Jack's reaction to Jacob's death - someone mentioned he was cooking steaks. Go back and watch, that was before they knew anything was wrong with Jacob.

4)Jack/Kerry break-up - Kerry did that. I think Jack may have kept it going for awhile. He was having a good time. But his heart wasn't in it, and Kerry was smart enough to realize that.

5)Sam/Pete breakup - I can see where some people might have thought Sam's reaction to Pete's reaction was cruel. I took it though to be more surprised. Given how he blew up when she wouldn't tell him about the SGC, I think she expected him to respond in anger, to yell or something and was just rather shocked when he didn't. I know I expected more anger. I have to say though that I was proud of Pete for responding the way he did, but was as surprised as Sam was.

6)When Daniel reappeared I don't think Sam was ignoring him. She just looked embarrassed, as did Jack for that matter. They were trying to look at anything but a half-naked Daniel.

7)Fishing so soon after Jacob's death - do we know how long it was. Did they actually tell us. For all we know, some time had passed, and since Daniel and Teal'c were there, who's to say that Jack just decided that after everything they'd been through, they should all get away. It could have been a week or so after Jacob's funeral, a time for healing maybe. We just don't know.

So, now, what did I like.

I liked Daniel's conflict and finding out about Oma/Anubis.

I liked seeing Sam with her dad, the emotion there between the two of them. I think it was handled well. And I think Sam did come to grips with it, because as she said, "the Tok'ra gave her the relationship she never expected" and while she was sad, she had that.

I liked "Teal'c of the Tauri". Yes he's Jaffa but he's one of us too.

I liked that the Jacob/Sam conversation and the Sam/Jack conversation in the infirmary mirrored the conversations in Grace, bringing that storyline some closure.

I liked that Sam and Jack went fishing, but I like it even more that Daniel and Teal'c went with them. I took it to mean that while they've come to grips with the fact that they want to be together, Jack's still her superior officer.

So, while this episode didn't blow me away like Reckoning I & II did, I thought it was really well done, and will definitely watch it again.

KatG
February 10th, 2005, 06:28 AM
I'd also like to respond to the person who disparaged shippers.

All shippers are not the same. I've always considered myself a S/J shipper, but I actually enjoyed seeing Sam/Pete together. I liked Chimera, I liked Affinity and I like New Order. I liked seeing Sam happy, and developing a life outside the SGC. If they had gone with that, and had Sam marry Pete, and Jack settle down with Kerry, I could have lived with it.

That's not to say, that I'm not happy that they found a way to bring S/J back to the forefront, but it's not all I live for and all I watch SG for.

So please, don't lump us all together, and I'll try not to lump all the anti-shippers together either.

Lunar
February 10th, 2005, 06:39 AM
Hey, I just realised my original post has disappeared after the GW crash, so I'm going to repost my entire ep summary. :)

I really like the Daniel/Oma storyline in this. I thought it was fantastically written, wonderfully acted and I never saw the plot twist coming! A little disappointed with the speedy resolution of it all, but I couldn't figure out an alternate solution so I'll be happy with what we got! I really hope that we see some of Daniel's memories from his time as an ancient being used next season.
I loved it when he turned up naked in Jack's office! There's so much mileage there for Jack/Daniel slashers. I thought it was very well played by the two actors and coaxed a laugh from me, despite the trauma of watching Jacob die.
Jacob's death I thought was very well written too. I felt that it was played exactly right by AT. Her father wanted her to be happy, that was explicit and so I felt her reaction to him leaving her was well played- rather than see her hysterical it showed her as grateful for the father she got to know. Just MO of course. :)
I've already commented on Sam and Pete...
Jack and Kerry I really liked. Kerry was *cool.* She struck me as being far more self assured than a lot of Jack's previous girlfriends (Kynthia, Laira). I liked the fact she dumped him too, gave her so much credibility as a character, someone I could be happy with seeing again! A much better introduction that I thought Pete got, exhibiting far fewer 'dislikable' tendancies. I really couldn't find a flaw with her.
As for the J/S stuff... well, obviously I'm biased. I loved the hug, I felt the final scene was great. There *was* still room for interpretation, I felt. Even as a shipper I don't think RESOLUTION was spelled out here. It was hinted at perhaps, but I saw it as (at last!) an acceptance of their attraction and an agreement to do something about it (but at a more appropriate time).
Shallow moment >The SGC flag has never looked so good...
Good ep. I laughed, I cried, I was shocked and amazed and held on the edge of my seat. If all the 'character centric' eps we've seen had been this good, season 8 (in MO, of course! :P ) would have been all the better for it. But I'm glad that (mobeius) We get to see the team back in action next week, at last!
Threads scores and 8/10 for me. A few moments of weakness failed to spoil my enjoyment!

langdonboom
February 10th, 2005, 07:33 AM
Also, like I mentioned before, as a mere mortal he never would've had access to the knowledge of the Ancient's technology like he did when he was ascended. So my question is with those two arguements, why didn't the Ancients follow their own rules and stop Anubis a long time ago?


Actually, I think he did have access to Ancient knowledge as a mere mortal Goa'uld since that's how he tricked Oma -- she said he knew what he was doing when he came to Kheb. So Anubis could have probably found some Ancient repository just like SG-1 has and learned to use the Ancient tech that way, and not neccesarily learned it from his time as an Ascended being.

DarkQuee1
February 10th, 2005, 08:42 AM
Since spoilers state that Jack leaves the SGC to take over Homeland security. If true...then he didn't take Kerry's advice after all, did he? <g>

Albion :)


Except that: (1) we don't know yet if Jack will take over Homeworld Security *as* a civilian, and (2) even if he doesn't, Sam is no longer in the direct chain of command with Jack, that is, where she reports directly to him and he is responsible for her evals.

And in the fishing scene, let's face it, you couldn't fit a piece of paper between Sam & Jack! :p


J.

Elite Anubis Guard
February 10th, 2005, 09:06 AM
seems they got confused about selmak, calling her a he.

I think the bits with jake wherent emotional enough, it just wasnt quite dramatic considering how big of a character hes been.

I liked the whole deal with the ascended and the resturant

Buzz Lightyear
February 10th, 2005, 09:33 AM
seems they got confused about selmak, calling her a he.

Aside from queen mothers, Goa'uld on their own are genderless. They take on the gender of their host. Hence Selmak was a "she" in the previous host but a "he" when with Jacob.

keppiezbt
February 10th, 2005, 09:36 AM
Actually, I think he did have access to Ancient knowledge as a mere mortal Goa'uld since that's how he tricked Oma -- she said he knew what he was doing when he came to Kheb. So Anubis could have probably found some Ancient repository just like SG-1 has and learned to use the Ancient tech that way, and not neccesarily learned it from his time as an Ascended being.


yeah the ancients left stuff all over this galaxy, he probably stumbled on something and went to kheb. then used his new found ascenion knowledge to guide him to ancient tech. like opps i just happen to have found a planet w/ancient tech telling me how to make my weapons better. things of that nature....hes not really using his powers and knowledge to say cause a lightening storm but guide him takara lol. ahhh legal loopholes...even in the ascended world lol

Buzz Lightyear
February 10th, 2005, 09:50 AM
I wonder if the Goa'uld like coffee that much?

This episode did have some predictability to it, I started thinking that the fat guy was Anubis when Oma and him were arguing at the counter, and had a feeling he was someone right from the start.

Also, I knew Jacob was done for as soon as Sam introduced Pete to him. Actually, I thought that Selmac had already left him. When Pete said "You have one of those things in you" I half expected him to say "Well...".

I think the reason is that this episode was supposed to be so big I guess you could say it that all my crazy guesses about Jacob dying and Anubis being the guy in the diner turned out to be true, so it ended up feeling predictable.

Well, you're more perceptive than most, I guess. I've scrupulously avoided most spoilers for this episode, including anything that could be construed as "hype", hence every plot development was fresh for me.

As for the diner, I got the sense that it was a diner only in Daniel's mind. Oma got the diner concept from his mind because it was one of the happiest memories of his childhood and he would feel safe there. I'm sure everyone else there either has his/her own version of a safe secure place or else is deliberately present in "Daniel's diner" just to see what Oma is up to now.

Skydiver
February 10th, 2005, 09:53 AM
oddly enough i have only one quibble wtih this episode....jacob's had selmac for 4 years????? shouldn't it be more like six????

but anyway, i loved it. yes, there were parts we should have seen, like anyone else have the feeling that they coulda put in the whole Dakara battle and filled the rest of the time and had a whole another eps????

but it had lovely angst, nice friendship, fishing ;) and all in all, was very well rounded.

and it also had eye candy for those to whom it appealed

I'm not going to read all the posts, but you know, moebius could not air and the show/season could end right here and i'd be a happy camper

Congerking
February 10th, 2005, 09:55 AM
a lot of people are getting wrong.

Anubis knows all about ascension: what it does, what they can do because Oma said he found knowledge of it somewhere when he was just a bad ass gou'ld. I don't think it was a repository because gou'lds can't look in them; but THAT is maybe why they can't, but we will probably never know. I think he found a planet with it just lain there for somebody to find. When Oma was tricked into helping him ascend the others COULD have whiped him from exisence like daniel said in full circle, but they didn't; the others thought it was pertinent to have him stay semi-ascended as her punishment.

Oma's punishement was to have Anubis LIVE and watch him and do nothing to stop him as he trashes the galaxy around. Which I think is MUCH MUCH more heavy than Chaya's punishment in Atlantis' Sanctuary and Orlin's in Ascension. Oma herself could probably whip him too, but since it's her punishment from the others, the others will probably make sure they don't kill each other and let them fight forever. And plus, the other don't have to worry about her ascending people again because she's locked into a fight with Anubis. SO kill two birds with one stone.

I also found it interesting on The Ascended Times that Anubis knows about the wraith and Atlantis, but can't do anything because he gained that knowledge from ascension. Funny little tidbit, im tired...

SBacklin
February 10th, 2005, 11:11 AM
Actually, I think he did have access to Ancient knowledge as a mere mortal Goa'uld since that's how he tricked Oma -- she said he knew what he was doing when he came to Kheb. So Anubis could have probably found some Ancient repository just like SG-1 has and learned to use the Ancient tech that way, and not neccesarily learned it from his time as an Ascended being.


I still say he didn't because if you remember about the Ancient Knowledge repositories, they don't respond to Goa'ulds. Remember Teal'c looked into it in the Fifth Race and nothing happened. Anubis would've went to Keb a 1000 to a few thousand years ago. The Goa'uld weren't all that tech advanced compared to what they are now and compared to the Ancients. So I still firmly believe Anubis didn't have the kind of access to the knowledge like when he had when he was ascended. Yes, Oma said Anubis knew what he was doing, but remember, the Keb legend had been around for a very long time. Anubis may have mearly heard the legend and may just have been smart enough (oviously he was) because he tricked Oma. So the the end result is still the same. The Ancients ignored their own rules. Anubis was using knowledge of Ancient technology he got while ascended and the "others" didn't do anything to stop him.

MartoufMarty
February 10th, 2005, 11:11 AM
oddly enough i have only one quibble wtih this episode....jacob's had selmac for 4 years????? shouldn't it be more like six????
I just came by to say the same thing!

If we assume that one season acts as one year, it should be six years.

I was kind of confused during the episode when they kept on saying that.

I thought maybe they could be referring to something else that happened in season four when Jacob was in trouble, but I couldn't think of anything.

Sir Ruff
February 10th, 2005, 11:49 AM
Well I just loved this episode :p One of the best for sure. The whole ending scene was just great! And Isaac Hayes.. got to love the guy! Damn I'm in a good mood now :p a shipper? me? noooo... :o



really.. :o

langdonboom
February 10th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Well, nothing is said for sure, but based on what we know that was actually said in an episode, I think you maybe assuming some things that have sorta gained weight on this board from beign repeated so many times.



I still say he didn't because if you remember about the Ancient Knowledge repositories, they don't respond to Goa'ulds. Remember Teal'c looked into it in the Fifth Race and nothing happened.

That might be true, but Anubis may also have gained Ancient knowledge both of ascention and of the mind-probe thing, the new shields, etc. from some other method other than the head-sucking way.


Anubis would've went to Keb a 1000 to a few thousand years ago. The Goa'uld weren't all that tech advanced compared to what they are now and compared to the Ancients.

That's not neccesarily true. I mean, 10,000 years ago Ra came to earth in a big ship and enslaved the early humans near Egypt, so you might infer that Anubis was technologically advanced enough around this same time to understand what was up with Ancient technology. Sure, they were never as advanced as the Ancients eventually got, but I think they'd be advanced enough.

Adding to that, the idea that the Goa'uld steal all their tech, and have been using the Stargates (created by the Ancients) since basically 'day one', and you have some compelling evidence that Anubis could have, like Oma said he had to, be using only what he knew as a regular old Goa'uld, even though yes, most Goa'uld didn't know about the Ancient stuff.


The Ancients ignored their own rules. Anubis was using knowledge of Ancient technology he got while ascended and the "others" didn't do anything to stop him.

From the above, I'm not so sure this is the case. I still think Anubis is just smarter than the average Goa'uld, and the same way he found out about Ascention, he found out about other Ancient tech.

This is also I think why he had to have Baal use the Ancient machine to destroy the Replicators, as he suggested at the beginning of Threads. He could have done it, but that would be breaking the rules.

shelsfc
February 10th, 2005, 12:27 PM
I loved this episode. Absolutely loved it.


The Sam & Jack stuff was beautiful, particularly the infirmary scene. I was nervous that the spoilers I'd seen were going to turn out to be rubbish, but it was great!! They went fishing! :D




I'm sad that they killed Jacob, but I was expecting it...
Question though - he said when the Tok'ra are removing a symbiote, the procedure kills it before it can release the toxin into the host...so how did Klorel survive?

Kerry seemed nice. I wouldn't mind seeing her again when Full Alert goa'uld-Kinsey comes back.

Sam breaking up with Pete was done nicely, and I have more respect for him after handling it so well. I did feel sorry for him.

The Daniel and Oma storyline was great. I'm glad we finally got more of an insight into what happened to him while he was ascended. And it's interesting to see that the two of them did seem to be genuinely friends. Some good quotes -
'If I didn't stop you the others would have. And they wouldn't have been so nice about it.'
'You mean they wouldn't have erased my memory and left me naked on a planet?'
'That was your choice....ok, maybe not the naked part.'
LOL!

I didn't see the Jim/Anubis thing coming. Nice twist! :D

Yay, the Jaffa are finally, actually free!
I have absolutely loved Teal'c the last 3 episodes. We've really seen him as the leader of the rebellion.

Fantastic episode. Can't wait for Moebius!

kodamawu
February 10th, 2005, 12:29 PM
But let's face it everyone, didn't we all take an instant liking to "Joe" ?
He looks like loads of fun to be around !
You reckon that's what Anubis the g'ould looked like ? How fun would that have been ?
never seen a FAT goa'uld before... but yea we did, and i think that was the point...

langdonboom
February 10th, 2005, 12:35 PM
They still didn't really address the issue of the host/symbiot thing vis-a-vis Anubis's ascention. Like, was Joe what Anubis' host looked like? Its been said here that it must have been just Anubis's symbiot (who is 'really him') that ascended, but if he was blended maybe something got confused in the process. He was lying and breaking rules by trying to ascend in the first place, right?

It rasies the question of - are any of the human forms ascended Ancients take when talking to humans a reflection of what they 'used' to look like, or can they appear as anything they choose?

Giantevilhead
February 10th, 2005, 12:39 PM
Anubis's plans would have never worked. Sooner or later the Asgard would have stopped by and they would have been suspicious about how all the little critters of the Milky Way disappeared. Then they would have learned about everything from SGC's computers, flew over to Dakara, blew up the weapon, and beamed away the gate on that world, trapping Anubis there.

langdonboom
February 10th, 2005, 12:44 PM
that's a good point -- about the only recurring storyline from all of SG-1 that didn't get mentioned in Threads was the Asgard. Wonder what they make of the human's great victory???

Scarym1
February 10th, 2005, 03:20 PM
OMG THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

I just finished watching it. It was too much.

Daniel in a flag!!!! Jack and Sam are fishing. Then Daniel and Tealc show up. That was nice. :D If you are so inclined, I think even the Slashers will be happy.

I felt sorry for Pete. He got his heart broken. I cried when Jacob died. He knew She wasn't really happy. I like how Jack's girlfriend is the one to break it off with him.

That Joe was Anubis was a BRILLANT touch. I think RC wrote this. He is a genius IMHO.:)

I love how it ended. OMA fighting ANUBIS. I guess they will be in an epic battle for all eternity.

I think I have rambled on enough. I need to relax a bit now. ;)

Scarym1
February 10th, 2005, 03:22 PM
The Daniel bit. Isn't that set an in-joke? It's the Wafflehouse from Dead Like Me. Daniel even sits where the group in DLM always do, and he ordered waffles.

YES. I thought that as well. It makes sense since both shows are shoot at Bridge Studios. That was priceless.:cool:

alz0rz
February 10th, 2005, 03:35 PM
Did anyone else catch that headline "Wraith on their way to Atlantis" :p

DigiFluid
February 10th, 2005, 03:48 PM
How exactly was the ending rushed? The entire episode was 20 minutes longer than usual. I don't think they intended to wrap everything up.

Anubis' fate is implied - he and Oma are locked in eternal conflict.

Daniel will explain what he knows/remembers off camera. No real point to rehash what the audience is already aware of.

Jacob's death scenes were drawn out long enough.

Jack and Sam's feelings for each other still have to be worked out and reach their logical conclusion. The fact that she finally accepted his invitation to "go fishing" with him says a lot. The fact that Teal'c and Daniel are there to chaperone their "first date" means they're still not ready to come right out and profess their love for each other.

I think what bothered me most was that they tried to deal with so much so quickly.

Jacob has been on the show for far too long to have had his fate dealt with in a matter of minutes (props to TPTB for hinting at it in Reckoning Pt 2 though).

Daniel, in a physical sense, was dead. He'd been skewered then his the nitrogen in his blood would have exploded in the vacuum of space. We know he was somewhat ascended during his time in the cafe but that seems more like a sort of limbo than any other realm of existence. Given that Oma Desala is a little busy, who sent him back? The other Ancients? If the other Ancients would have sooner killed him last time, why would they be kind enough to a) send him back this time; b) send him back naked again; and c) allow him to keep his memories?

Pete....though I can't say I was fond of the guy, needed a better sendoff. How many weeks has it been since we've seen the guy last? Suddenly he shows up again for a meet the parents moment, gets his ass dumped, and leaves. End of story. A tad abrupt to say the least.

I think what bothers me the most though is the whole Anubis thing. Here we have a villain who's been a very serious problem for the last four (five?) years, a threat to humanity and Goa'uld alike with seemingly no limit to his power. Threads comes along, does a fantastic job of developing his story a little bit more and then POOF he's suddenly gone in a flash of light. I feel ripped off.

DigiFluid
February 10th, 2005, 03:53 PM
Anubis's plans would have never worked. Sooner or later the Asgard would have stopped by and they would have been suspicious about how all the little critters of the Milky Way disappeared. Then they would have learned about everything from SGC's computers, flew over to Dakara, blew up the weapon, and beamed away the gate on that world, trapping Anubis there.

Sooner or later wouldn't have cut it, I'm afraid. Anubis was on the button, it was only the Ancient intervention that stopped him.

Plus, the Asgard already knew about the Replicator situation in our galaxy. Thor was here and flew the ship home to get a new body, remember?

Skydiver
February 10th, 2005, 03:54 PM
itjust hit me that jacob lied to sam...along with playing matchmaker

first of all, pete can't call him dad until he marries sam...but jack can

jacob said that selmac liked pete...but selmac has been in a coma since before he met him

his little crack about flowers


ooh, itty nit, the level of coffee in oma's pot, when she's talking to daniel, changes...like they did 2 takes and she poured it between takes

and i liked the irony of oma, queen of riddles, speaking in waitress babble

ooh, and anubis' whistling....amazing grace

a popular hymn at funerals and the words

amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me, what once was lost, now is found, was blind but now i see


rather appropriate i think

Skydiver
February 10th, 2005, 05:09 PM
oh, another nit. notice that i really can't nit the plot, just bits and pieces

there is no way in heck sam's cell phone worked under the mountian

i went to a place called Subtropolis once, which is a mine where they've turned dug out rock into offices and storage, it's 40-50 feet before the surface with several openings...and none of the cell phones in our group worked....there's no way it'll work under a mountain

dipsofjazz
February 10th, 2005, 05:15 PM
oh, another nit. notice that i really can't nit the plot, just bits and pieces

there is no way in heck sam's cell phone worked under the mountian

i went to a place called Subtropolis once, which is a mine where they've turned dug out rock into offices and storage, it's 40-50 feet before the surface with several openings...and none of the cell phones in our group worked....there's no way it'll work under a mountain
Perhaps her phone is naquada-enhanced! ;) :p

Major Tyler
February 10th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Did anyone else catch that headline "Wraith on their way to Atlantis" :pThat's cool! I'd love to see screencaps of the various newspaper articles. Does anyone have those?

Congerking
February 10th, 2005, 08:14 PM
That's cool! I'd love to see screencaps of the various newspaper articles. Does anyone have those?

Yea, so Anubis knows about atlantis but can't do anything due to his not being able to use knowledge gained from ascension; kind of pointless, but interesting non the less. Some other articles was "edge of the universe found"

heres a link:

http://forum.gateworld.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1206

I found a site that had the entire newspaper, but I forget.

Angelique
February 10th, 2005, 08:28 PM
Here's the link:

The Acended Times (http://www.stargatedanielfriendly.net/html/theascendedtimes.php)
Check out the part about the cat.LOL :eek:

Congerking
February 10th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Here's the link:

The Acended Times (http://www.stargatedanielfriendly.net/html/theascendedtimes.php)
Check out the part about the cat.LOL :eek:

YES, I actually just found it when you posted....Gotta give the prop departments, well, props for the newspaper. Lot of effort for something that is hardly seen throught the episode.

Im_just_guessing
February 10th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Sooo...when did 6 years turn into 4? I mean...it sounded like they were suggesting Tok'ra parts 1 & 2 were only 4 years ago! (checks calender), whats going on?? what did seasons 3 & 4 take place over less than a year?

Token
February 10th, 2005, 09:14 PM
itjust hit me that jacob lied to sam...along with playing matchmaker

first of all, pete can't call him dad until he marries sam...but jack can

jacob said that selmac liked pete...but selmac has been in a coma since before he met him

his little crack about flowers


ooh, itty nit, the level of coffee in oma's pot, when she's talking to daniel, changes...like they did 2 takes and she poured it between takes

and i liked the irony of oma, queen of riddles, speaking in waitress babble

ooh, and anubis' whistling....amazing grace

a popular hymn at funerals and the words

amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me, what once was lost, now is found, was blind but now i see


rather appropriate i think

Ah...It is confirmed!! Jacob is a Shipper! ;) I'm sooo gonna miss Jacob! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_44.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzfw003)

I've been thinking the time issue could be from Season 3 "Jolinar's Memories" & "The Devil You Know". Jacob almost died, and he was in hell after all. :rolleyes:

Im_just_guessing
February 10th, 2005, 09:15 PM
It would still be 5 years then...

Mr. Seven
February 10th, 2005, 09:16 PM
Man that was an excellent episode.

That could have been the series finale the way it ended...

I'm gald it's coming back though for two more episodes this year and 20 more next!

Quinn Mallory
February 10th, 2005, 09:45 PM
Wow!

So many loose ends were tied together in this episode (no wonder the name "threads") and I have to say that I just enjoy it so much.

The only thing that I will nitpick about is the phone working under ground (but maybe the SGC has some way to send the cell phone signal down underground) and how Pete's phone call about the florist can interrupt that meeting (did anyone else thought that the call was going to be that Pete was killed on duty/in accident or something along that line?).

I really liked how they all finally get to go fishing together. More importantly, I enjoyed the storytelling of this episode and the Reckoning 2 parter.

Last thing, I thought Isaac Hayes would start some kind of jazzy song (or the theme to shaft) or something when the Jaffa blew the horn. I saw him in concert late last summer (right around the time when it was announced that he will be in SG-1) but of course I couldn't get the opportunity to ask him about stargate.

Zamboni
February 11th, 2005, 12:20 AM
Hmm... I don't know if you've discussed this already, but I really like the "Astro News" and the section on Wraith attacking Atlantis... I wonder if Daniel retains that knowledge (the newspaper) and is that the reason for them to be going back in time in Mobieus... Of course Atlantis did send a transmission so... Maybe it's both? Oh well we'll find out next week. Excellent episode... Excellent... (Thought I really hoped the Jack and Sam ship could've been torpedoed... That ship is Titanic)

Did anyone pause to see the headlines on the newspaper? I saw something about a nebula, and "Yoga does not lead to enlightment" LMAO!!!

Madeleine
February 11th, 2005, 12:23 AM
ooh, itty nit, the level of coffee in oma's pot, when she's talking to daniel, changes...like they did 2 takes and she poured it between takes

When Coffee ascends it can be whatever shape it wants to be.

:: looks sage ::


ooh, and anubis' whistling....amazing grace

a popular hymn at funerals and the words

amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me, what once was lost, now is found, was blind but now i see


rather appropriate i think

I hadn't noticed that, but I'll have to look out for it. That is very apt.

Madeleine
February 11th, 2005, 12:30 AM
Daniel, in a physical sense, was dead. He'd been skewered then his the nitrogen in his blood would have exploded in the vacuum of space. We know he was somewhat ascended during his time in the cafe but that seems more like a sort of limbo than any other realm of existence. Given that Oma Desala is a little busy, who sent him back? The other Ancients? If the other Ancients would have sooner killed him last time, why would they be kind enough to a) send him back this time; b) send him back naked again; and c) allow him to keep his memories?

Maybe the Ancients didn't do it. Maybe Daniel did it himself; after all Oma told him that he could ascend himself now without her help. Maybe as soon as he could see that Anubis was now effectively inert he ascended. And then swooped off to the SGC and renounced ascension once again, but this time because he did it himself he made sure of keeping his memory.

I think clothes must be a bit harder to manage than memories. But no doubt a bit more practice will see him manage a nice blanket or even some trousers :)

Feli
February 11th, 2005, 04:24 AM
I think clothes must be a bit harder to manage than memories. But no doubt a bit more practice will see him manage a nice blanket or even some trousers :)

Spoil the fun, why don't you...? ;)

Vyse
February 11th, 2005, 04:35 AM
I finally got around to watching it and I must say that I am very disapointed. The writing wasn't reallly that good. I hated the whole diner thing that Daniel was in. Jacob's death made absolutely no sense. I mean, I understand and support why Janet was killed in S7, but this was completely pointless. The relationship O'Neill had with Johnson felt very convienient, and it lacked any substance. Seeing how season 8 has gone I am worried about the quality of S9. SG-1 is becoming "Well it used to be great" shows. Such a shame since S8 started out so strongly.

Vyse
February 11th, 2005, 04:49 AM
Spoil the fun, why don't you...? ;)

geez, you girls get so many shots like that, while us guys only get 1 shot like that of Sam!

Catysg1
February 11th, 2005, 05:27 AM
Ah...It is confirmed!! Jacob is a Shipper! ;) I'm sooo gonna miss Jacob! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_44.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzfw003)

I've been thinking the time issue could be from Season 3 "Jolinar's Memories" & "The Devil You Know". Jacob almost died, and he was in hell after all. :rolleyes:



Me too ..I so love Jacob so much ;) He wanted his daughter to be happy because he could see she was not :)
and Pete didn't make a good impression ..Gosh ..I thought he didn't match Sam before but hearing him talked at the SGC to Jacob .....proved my point ....I actually can't believe she stayed with him that long ..He was just plain ridiculous in front of Jacob .

Anyway, The Jacob/Sam scenes were very emotional.. and love the little game he was playing in the briefing room with the flowers and the wedding and in front of Jack :D


...and I really like the fact that Awkward Sam and Jack ( normal because they are scared to let their feelings in the open ) disappeared by the end of the episode . The infirmary scene was beautiful and natural ..I think they are now becoming comfortable with each other ...the fishing scene proved that too and What I like about Sam and Jack is they can have fun without seeing them in bed like we did with the others . I can't wait until they call each other by their little name because that would make a big difference for the relaxed chemistry ...and this is the only thing left to do ..apart from Jack resigning or becoming citizen . :)

Kerry was really smart and understood straight away ..Shame that Pete didn't do the same specially if he knew from the beginning ..but I suppose he was deseperate ...I like the way they used Kerry so much more than the Pete character .
I'm glad he is out of the way ..because intellectually he was far for matching Sam .

I liked the fact that Jack nodded a little yes when Kerry talked about issues ..and didn't make a fuss about the breaking up ..he absolutely knows where his heart is :)


For the Daniel Scenes ..They were very good ..Shame it was at the dinner all the time ...It was really great to see Oma again..and ...the chat Daniel had with Jim(Anubis) was realy interesting :)

I like the way he was brought back ..naked as usual ;) and the look on everybody's face was hilarious

Not sure I concentrated enough on the Teal'c and Bratac scenes ..May have to watch it again to discuss that part .

caty:)

Skydiver
February 11th, 2005, 05:29 AM
did anyone else wonder if daniel being wrapped in a flag was a dig/homage/whatever for amanda and her femme fatale photo shoot? where she was photographed wrapped only in a flag?

it certainly made me laugh

Wass
February 11th, 2005, 05:37 AM
Me and my girlfriend were talking about that last night also when Daniel is in the dinner did any notice his shirt was folded up so you can see his muscles that is so pathetic IMO, I mean my girlfriend was happy obviously but I don’t like it when try bringing sex into it like that.

Frostfox
February 11th, 2005, 05:49 AM
Me and my girlfriend were talking about that last night also when Daniel is in the dinner did any notice his shirt was folded up so you can see his muscles that is so pathetic IMO, I mean my girlfriend was happy obviously but I don’t like it when try bringing sex into it like that.

Mmm, Daniel's biceps... and he blushes all the way down...

Sorry, shallow moment here.


:p

Madeleine
February 11th, 2005, 05:59 AM
Spoil the fun, why don't you...? ;)

Like I said, after a bit more practice he might manage trousers. But the first few practice attempts might not be entirely successful.

Happier? ;)

KatG
February 11th, 2005, 06:15 AM
ooh, and anubis' whistling....amazing grace

a popular hymn at funerals and the words

amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me, what once was lost, now is found, was blind but now i see


rather appropriate i think

I thought that was what he was whistling, but couldn't be sure. It's been awhile since I heard that one.

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 11th, 2005, 06:43 AM
Daniel said to Oma, "If I walk out the door I'm dead?" and she said, "Pretty much."

Then, later, we learn that there are several levels of ascension, and that the haughty Ascended consider everything/level of existence beneath them as insignificant.

Might this imply that if Daniel had gone out that door he would still have been ascended to a lower level? But high enough for him to consciously "descend" back to mortal form? Is that how he came back at the end, because it certainly looked like the Ascended were ignoring Daniel and just "watching" Oma and Nuby duke it out?

Feli
February 11th, 2005, 08:23 AM
geez, you girls get so many shots like that, while us guys only get 1 shot like that of Sam!

And your point being...? ;)

Feli
February 11th, 2005, 08:27 AM
Like I said, after a bit more practice he might manage trousers. But the first few practice attempts might not be entirely successful.

Happier? ;)

Well, I was going to say something about my secret slasher heart and giving Jack more opportunities to...ehm, *cough*

Anyway, back on topic before a mod has to reign me in :D

The two things I was most worried about didn't happen in the way I expected therefore I'm quite happy with the ep. Not the most stellar one but at least better than I feared.
I'm majorly disappointed that they killed Jacob though, his storyline with Sam was one of my absolute favorites! And who chose that awful, green shirt for MS?

animoid
February 11th, 2005, 08:39 AM
Might this imply that if Daniel had gone out that door he would still have been ascended to a lower level? But high enough for him to consciously "descend" back to mortal form? Is that how he came back at the end, because it certainly looked like the Ascended were ignoring Daniel and just "watching" Oma and Nuby duke it out?

Could be an explanation for the (assumed) fact that he retained his knowledge of the events this time. He apparently had the power to decide where to descend (Jack's office), but not to trick the mechanism itself (descending to human form means nekkidness).

jantreeuk1
February 11th, 2005, 09:19 AM
Me and my girlfriend were talking about that last night also when Daniel is in the dinner did any notice his shirt was folded up so you can see his muscles that is so pathetic IMO, I mean my girlfriend was happy obviously but I don’t like it when try bringing sex into it like that.

No take it from someone who was around 50s/60s that is how the lads wore their shirts.

Congerking
February 11th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Maybe the Ancients didn't do it. Maybe Daniel did it himself; after all Oma told him that he could ascend himself now without her help. Maybe as soon as he could see that Anubis was now effectively inert he ascended. And then swooped off to the SGC and renounced ascension once again, but this time because he did it himself he made sure of keeping his memory.

I think clothes must be a bit harder to manage than memories. But no doubt a bit more practice will see him manage a nice blanket or even some trousers :)

I must have missed something, but when did Oma say that he could ascend himself?

Zamboni
February 11th, 2005, 10:03 AM
I must have missed something, but when did Oma say that he could ascend himself?
She said something like "you are the only one who can decide..."

How come the other ancient (the one that fell in love with Sam... though that doesn't really specify much) descented with full clothing?

Wass
February 11th, 2005, 10:10 AM
No take it from someone who was around 50s/60s that is how the lads wore their shirts.

Ok I see so it’s more of fashion thing then.

Crazedwraith
February 11th, 2005, 10:31 AM
I still say he didn't because if you remember about the Ancient Knowledge repositories, they don't respond to Goa'ulds. Remember Teal'c looked into it in the Fifth Race and nothing happened.
While that Is what they imply in Fifth Race. It has since been Ret-Conned. With later info about the Ancients we know they never came into to contact with the goa'uld thus thyere would be no sfae guards for them.

The reason therefore the headgrabber didn't go for teal'c was an abscence of the ancient gene.

As for my thoughs on threads: These are my thoughts in the first and last breaks and just after the creditd: Orginally posted on Stardestroyer.net and then spell checked and added to Anubis' Stargate forum. (Thats Anubis not _Anubis, Lord-Anubis, LordAnubis or any other version) ANd hence now I post here:



1st break coments: Jack's talk on Daniel's many deaths, its what we're all thinking yet some how he shouldn't say it. Seems weird and nasty. Maybe its just Jack's way of coping with the fact this time he could be REALLY REALLY gone. Still it seems strange...

Fan-****ing-tastic. Bar Anubis is just wonderful. I never saw it coming at all.

The Jacob/Selmak dying thing is also excellant asides from one thing. They keep saying Jacob would have died 4 years ago. He was blended halway through season 2 which is 6 and a half years ago to the SGC.


hmm does Oma's intervention qualifiy as a deus ex maxhina?

Anyhoo Beatiful ending. SG-1...fishing.


NB: The censored word is the F one if your intrested. I will properly rewatch Threads tomorro on Sky One (or is it mix?) and form a fuller opinion than just : WOW.

Major Clanger
February 11th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Well, I have no recovered sufficiently to post in this thread.

It started off badly for me with the "previously on stargate" soap-opera style montage.

Pulp Fiction managed to get away with a lot of disjointed stories all patched into each other. Unfortunately it did not work so well here. Chopping and changing can be an effective way of tying up two disparate stories - if the stories are good. But going from (and I am in no way, shape or form a shipper, although I wouldn't go as far as to say I am anti-ship... oh wait, now I would) no mention of ship (or horribly awkward shoe-horning of ship into otherwise non-shippy situations) to full blown "oh my goodness we have wasted the last 7 years!" realisations stretched even my overgrown and vivid imagination.

I loved the Kerry character, she was so grown up, and I loved the way we were shown that her and Jack's relationship was more than just friends. When Carter showed up, Kerry handled it really well - I'm so glad she didn't appear to be goating - but then it all went downhill with her character. When she ended it with Jack so far so good - but all that "Sam is the one for you" stuff was so not how women speak... real women anyway. Maybe women written by men, but I have never ever heard someone talk like that. OK, she wasn't totally deeply in love with Jack (which was also nice to see) but really!!

While we're on the subject, all that stuff with killing Jacob just so he could tell Sam that Jack was the one... well, that was bittersweet for me. On the one hand, "yaaaayyyy no more Jacob" (probably - as we know, nobody really dies in sci-fi). But please... do fathers really talk to their 30something over-achieving daughters like that?

Let's move on to the wormhole aliens... sorry, ascended beings in the diner. Oh dear. That could have been done a lot better - and to be honest I didn't think it sucked quite so much as the rest of the ep. In fact, if it had been the main focus of a 45 minute ep, I probably would have really liked it. (if only I hadn't spotted Anubis - but I will admit that it was a wild guess)

A quick word about Sam/Pete. OK, she is a 30 something Colonel. Brain the size of a planet. And yet she is totally incapable of telling Pete to cool down and involve her in decisions? I don't buy that - although I do admit that when it comes to relationships lots of people don't act in their usual way.

I am not even going to mention the Stargate/ROTK crossover (nobody kneels.... aargghhh I was looking - in vain, unfortunately - for a glimpse of Legolas and Eomer in that scene) that was the Jaffa story.

The only bit I did like was nekked Daniel (what's not to like) and some particularly droolworthy shots of Jack's hands. And Baal. I love him.

All in all I was extremely disappointed in this ep. So much so that I have ranted forever, and probably not covered half the things that I have previously mentioned to the poor people whose ears I have already bent about this.

Oh and the cellphone in the mountain made me shout at the tv as I only usually do during The Ep Where They Don't Wear Hats In An Ice Cave.

Congerking
February 11th, 2005, 10:52 AM
She said something like "you are the only one who can decide..."

How come the other ancient (the one that fell in love with Sam... though that doesn't really specify much) descented with full clothing?

I think Oma meant that only Daniel was the one to choose whether or not he would ascend. Obviously him saying no would be to die and him saying yes would be to ascend. Oma said that she didn't want him to die without giving him a second chance.

Frostfox
February 11th, 2005, 11:37 AM
Let's move on to the wormhole aliens... sorry, ascended beings in the diner.

Ahh! So Danny has been hanging round with The Sisko! Coolness.

I liked Kerry lots, feisty lady, I'd love to see her again and I felt so sorry for Pete, but as you said, people in love do act foolishly, he was going too fast for Sam and not including her in the plans. But then she was at fault too.

And I agree, as a 40 something woman, I don't think the writers have even the smallest clue how real women react, interact and run their lives.

KatG
February 11th, 2005, 01:31 PM
I am not even going to mention the Stargate/ROTK crossover (nobody kneels.... aargghhh I was looking - in vain, unfortunately - for a glimpse of Legolas and Eomer in that scene) that was the Jaffa story.


I noticed that. Did you also notice that the background music for that scene was very similar to LOTR music? Hubs says it wasn't, but I think it was.

Matt G
February 11th, 2005, 01:39 PM
did anyone else wonder if daniel being wrapped in a flag was a dig/homage/whatever for amanda and her femme fatale photo shoot? where she was photographed wrapped only in a flag?

it certainly made me laugh

Come to think of it...