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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#0066BF"><B>RECKONING, PART 2</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 817</FONT>
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The fate of the galaxy hangs in the balance as Sam and Jacob search for the only weapon capable of stopping the Replicator onslaught. O'Neill leads a defense of the S.G.C., while Daniel squares off against Replicator Carter.

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Shipperahoy
February 4th, 2005, 08:40 AM
Sorry it's late. Obviously we've had a few hiccups. :D Post away!

Nurgle
February 4th, 2005, 09:06 AM
Prolly the best SG1 episode to date.

Crazedwraith
February 4th, 2005, 09:13 AM
Aaargh. Poor Daniel! Stabbed and decompressed! Very nice Replicarter/Daniel moments and generally all of Jack fighting the replictors and the Siler bit.

O'NEILL: Hey use two of those!
REYNOLDS:???
O'NEILL: Its a 'blast' door.

the moment when daniel stopped the reps in their tracks was cool. Reynolds & O'neill stopp glance at each other with a WFT expression then start blasting away again anyway.

The very last scene was so good. Cater and O'Neill trying so hard not to be worried for Daniel. O'Neill scribbling hard on the desk and the end said it all really.

Can't wait for the world premiere extra long threads next week.

mayorbill11
February 4th, 2005, 09:31 AM
I'm glad they finally killed the stupid replicators.

shockwave
February 4th, 2005, 09:31 AM
great ep

funny to see siler get stuck

so I suppose all reps are gone now, apparently none of them were left in the asgard galaxy

Skydiver
February 4th, 2005, 09:32 AM
a very good, very solid episode. fantastic setup for threads, i think anyway

Evil sam was chillingly great, so was smart aleck daniel

i laughed at sam's quips and loved her working with baal and dad

i'm more than a little worried about dad though...but, angst slut that i am, am drooling at the prospects opened up by this one

potential for sam/dad, sam/jack tension, sam/daniel (cause, you know, unless they lied about that whole s9 but, he's gonna come back)

i liked seeing more jaffa that were willing to work together instead of snarking at each other, isaac hayes was a cool character

all in all, it was great

Replicarter
February 4th, 2005, 09:33 AM
Omg, this episode is now my fav of season 8, they just keep getting better and better.

I loved all the different storylines, Sam Selmac and the machine stuff was all cool, and even better when ba'al arrived, with his, "im a god, Gods are all knowing"

And it was nice seeing Jack in the base with his jokes that are actualy good, compared to other jack scenes earlier this season. The best, as everyone is alrady commenting on is "its a *air quotes* Blast door*Air quotes*".

And obviously, the Daniel and Replicarter scenes :D, im not just the biggest Replicarter fan, im also a everything Ancient and Accended fan, finaly getting a hint that Daniel unlocks some of the Ancient secrets is cool, hopefully they will use some of this later on. And although i am extreamly sad Replicarter is no longer with us, and that she faild, R.I.P, the scene with danial going into her mind then taking over her was cool. But not as cool as her arm turning into a blade and stabbing him right through the chest :D

And thats all i have to say, not that anyone will read it/understand my bad grammar :)

KatG
February 4th, 2005, 09:40 AM
Fantastic episode. Probably the best Stargate ep this season. I was literally on the edge of my seat. Really need to watch it again to catch all the little extras.

The RC/Daniel scenes were great. Wasn't expecting Daniel to die there at the end, although it does make the spoilers for Threads make more sense.

Loved Sam/Jacob working together, and Jacob/Ba'al were hilarious. I'm worried about Jacob too. He didn't look so good there at the end. Wonder if that machine did something to him.

When the replicators froze, that was totally cool. Very nice special effects in this one.

Madeleine
February 4th, 2005, 09:48 AM
This ep was just smashing all the way through. It's rare to find a Part II that so far exceeds the Part I - and Reckoning I was good anyway.

Daniel's stuff got more intense scene by scene, and his death was horribly moving. He died all alone, thinking he'd failed to defeat the replicators. But he was awesome in the scenes leading up to that. I laughed for joy when he grabbed Replicarter's hand, it was such a surprise.

Teal'c and co didn't die! The Jaffa weren't wiped out! Hurrah!

The VFX bods did a cracking job with the space battle, and the montage of all the gates was surprisingly uplifting. And I never cease to be amazed at the realness of the replicators; but in this ep they were particularly good, perhaps cos they were in the SGC so it seemed scarier.

Jack wasn't the least bit dim, in fact he was totally on the ball. Hurrah!

And Sam, Selmak, Jacob and Baa'al were a splendid triple-act. (I'll gloss over the Windows-compatible ex-time-machine-cum-ultimate-weapon thing cos the rest of the plot more than makes up for stuff like that :p)

I can't wait for next week. :D

Aadizookaan
February 4th, 2005, 09:48 AM
Loved Sam/Jacob working together, and Jacob/Ba'al were hilarious. I'm worried about Jacob too. He didn't look so good there at the end. Wonder if that machine did something to him.


I have a little theory on that. I believe in order to change life in the galaxy, or destory one type, another had to be given in its place too. So, Jacob is on his way to the pearly gates - Selmak is only keeping him going until he too will succumb.

Nurgle
February 4th, 2005, 10:16 AM
I guessing Selmac also programmed the machine to wipe out the snakes without actually telling anyone aswell...

keshou
February 4th, 2005, 10:23 AM
My favorite episode of the season. Great dialogue, great pacing, great story. The editing of the shots as they cut back and forth between all the storylines kept the tension high.

But most of all I loved SG-1 in this. And all the supporting and guest characters. The team was separated but they were all working together - whether they knew it or not.

*I loved Jack in this. Snarky but acting like the leader he can be when he's put to the test. Not silly like he was in part I. Everyone at the base got in on the act. Siler, Walter, Reynolds. Just great stuff.

Jack: "I expect to be in your will, Siler"
Siler: "You already are, sir"
Jack: "Okay, that's......weird"

*I loved RC and Daniel's confrontation. How cool was that when Daniel finally grabbed her arm and started getting the upper hand? The replicators froze.

Daniel: "Trying to leave? Sorry - spend a little more time in Danny's world"
RC: "My brethren will not stop. You cannot control them"
Daniel: "Not yet but I'm learning"

Ooh, good stuff. And then RC gives Daniel the blade thru the chest. Eek!

* Sam/Jacob/Baal. How fun was that whole interaction when they were trying to figure out that ancient panel (straight out of WoO). Baal is the best Goa'uld ever.

Baal: "This one!"
Jacob/Selmak: "How do you know"
Baal: "I am a god, gods are all-knowing"
Jacob: "Selmac can't work like this. Neither can I"
Sam: "Just try it" (Jacob pushes block)
Jacob: "Lucky guess" (Baal smirks - :D )

All the gates kawooshing (using every stock shot in their arsenal), all the replicators crawling everywhere. The slow-motion montage of Teal'c face as they awaited destruction, Sam firing at the replicators, Jack and company blasting away, Daniel dying with blood dripping out of his mouth. :( Then the great special effects shots of the Ancient weapon disintegrating all the replicators.

Did I say I loved this episode. :D And I haven't said that about a SG-1 episode in quite awhile.

Is Daniel going to ascend again? If he survives will he still have any ancient knowledge? Is RC definitely gone? What about Anubis - he's still lurking out there. So is Baal. What about Jacob - he didn't look so hot. Poor Sam if she loses Jacob. Jack looked like he's in denial about Daniel being gone - he does have a habit of coming back after all. ;)

Bring on "Threads".

Anubis
February 4th, 2005, 10:27 AM
WOW! Was this one of the best eps or what? :D

So it started off a little slow in the briefing room, but it really picked up pace from this point forward. ;) As soon as SG-1 [not Jack, yet] go to Takaara and go in search of the weapon to eliminate the Replicators it really picked up from this point. Though those circles that had to be turned on the wall were a bit too obvious and could be seen easily. ;)

The scenes between Daniel/Replicarter were superb. When Replicarter was reading Daniel's mind, he read hers. :D I though the part where Daniel took control of the whole situation was great ...

*Replicator Carter takes some info from Daniel's mind - they both look surprised.*

Daniel : You lied to me.
Replicarter : What?
D : You promised you'd leave Earth alone. There's replicators infiltrating the SGC, right now.
RC : How can you know that?

*Daniel smiles*

*RC raises fist to Daniel, he grabs it*

D : Trying to leave? Sorry! A little more time in Danny's world. :D


I thought that entire scene was just great. One of the most humorous scenes, of them all. :)

When the Replicators infiltrate the SGC, it was great. The look on Jack's face as they come swarming through the Stargate was really great. ;) Starts shouting into the gate room for an evacuation. The fight between the SGC/Replicators was really great, and Jack finally had some action in the episode, the most YET. :D

Some of the special effects in this episode alone were great. The battle between Ba'al's fleet and the Replicators were amazing. Especially for a tv series. :)

It's a shame that Daniel couldn't do anything to stop Replicarter from killing him. She just plunged the blade right through him, making him suffer a slow and painful death .. at which point I'm guessing he'll be stuck in his 'path'. ;)


Overall -- an amazing episode. Has to make the favourite list. Each week the episodes get better and better. I think it's safe to assume that Threads will also be a great episode, I hope. :)

aAnubiSs
February 4th, 2005, 10:47 AM
Gah, yet another clip show:D

Loved it. However the Ha'tak battle was a huge disappointment. Having 50 or so Ha'tak shooting at eachother from a few light seconds away wasn't something that impressed me.

langdonboom
February 4th, 2005, 10:51 AM
I have to chime in and say -- HOLY SH*T was that a great episode. IT really felt like it paid a LOT of stuff off, not just plotwise but entire story-arc/character wise.

I agree, Baal just took a GIANT leap forward in being the best Goa'uld of them all (non-ascended, anyway!) His "I'm a God" bit and his comment about being "sick" over Oneill's hand in his own salvation was PRICELESS. Loved it to death.

" and the montage of all the gates was surprisingly uplifting."

I totally agree. I was in TEARS at this moment, it was somehow such a beautiful, wonderful grace note to the series, the Replicator/Goauld storylines, it was just a great reminder of how much SG has ment to me and probably all of you guys as well over so many years.

Here's a game:

can anyone name the planets/episodes we saw in that montage? I recognized a few from episodes (like the red trees - what planet was that one?! Its buggin me) but I wasn't sure about them all. Was the first one Chulak? I don't remember the Pyramid but the stone bits near the gate looked like Chulak.

Anyway, yes, BEST episode of the season, and it just has me highly anticipating Threads.

hurray for this show!


one more thing I loved:

When the replicators barged their way into the SGC with no problem, and Jack's response. HE KNEW this day might come, and he was READY and did EVERYTHING he could to deal with it. It was just awesome to see it happen! Scary, even though of course nothing 'bad' ever really happens, it was easy to pretend something could. Those things are POWERFUL and they were really well drawn over the last few episodes to seem/feel unstoppable.

AND Daniel's bit was awesome.

Is it just me or did this episode feel like one of the most 'team' oriented eps even though each character was alone with his/her mission? That montage at the end when Daniel was dying and Jack and Sam were firing in slow-mo, and tealc was just stoically awaiting his fate, MAN that was such a great touch, a great reminder of who the main characters are and that they ARE a team, even though they're separated sometimes.

Kalinda
February 4th, 2005, 10:52 AM
Well.. let's see; great episode! =) Mostly..

Daniel "dying" was an interesting twist that I didn't see coming... but has anyone noticed how bad stuff always happens to Daniel? It's like.. an SG1 tradition... kinda funny, I guess. I wonder how he's gonna get out of it this time, though.

Amanda Tapping was awesome as usual with RepliCarter :) Though it was a good idea, I felt her character was rather short lived. Then again, they did write this season from the perspective it'd be the last... I think..

I am kinda glad the reps are finally gone, it would've been awful if they'd become terribly overused like the borg did in ST.

Loved the whole thing with Ba'al.. and how he wished Sam and Jacob/Selmak luck before he went poof hehe.. was fun to see them forced to work together.

And the Jaffa rebellion is doing good; I'm thinking the days of the Goa'uld are numbered =)

Looking very forward to Threads and its 90 minute longness :D I hope it's as good as they say ^_^

My only beef with the episode was how everyone just seemed to have forgotten about Daniel until the very end, although I guess they were pre-occupied...

Oh, also loved the Danny/RepliCarter stuff and how he learned to take control for a bit :)

It was nice how they built up all that suspense at the end, with the reps attacking Earth and then Ba'al's fleet and finally the temple and then they finally get blown away at the end. It was a great way to get rid of them :)

Okay.. I think that's it.. had a lot to say there^^

9/10

langdonboom
February 4th, 2005, 11:09 AM
OH, and PS:

I just watned to add how AWESOME I thought it was for this episode to make refrence/use of Avenger 2.0, probably one of the most maligned (and not totally unrightly so) episodes of all SG-1. I love how Baal copped to knowing what happened and taking credit for turning the tables. TOTALLY legitimized Avenger 2.0 which otherwise would have been remembered mostly for the action figure scene or some other bit of foolishnes! But it was awesome how Sam *knew* baal could dial all the gates at once, and also cool how the Tok'Ra had no idea about this ability -- made the Goa'uld feel a bit more powerful than they've felt lately.

So again, AWESOME!

Nurgle
February 4th, 2005, 11:23 AM
Ba'al was great in this ep (but then, he always is). He always had more depth than the other snakes, but there was something about the was he wished Sam/Jacob/Selmack luck which seemed pretty sincere.

His exit was pretty funky too.

Skydiver
February 4th, 2005, 11:28 AM
let's see if i can recall the planets

t'kara
juna
chulak
past and present (the boxes)
prisoners (the vine covered blocks)
fiad....the one that was in danie's dream, the pink planet
one as yet unidentified
sgc

i might have them a bit out of order, i can't find the list i made

Quinn Mallory
February 4th, 2005, 11:35 AM
Ba'al was great in this ep (but then, he always is). He always had more depth than the other snakes, but there was something about the was he wished Sam/Jacob/Selmack luck which seemed pretty sincere.

His exit was pretty funky too.

Ba'al is definitely more human than most of the other goa'uld. I think it is part of the effort of TPTB in recent seasons to soften the goa'uld so they can have more interactions with SG-1.

As for him being sincere, that's to be expected since his life is also on the line.

langdonboom
February 4th, 2005, 11:37 AM
let's see if i can recall the planets
i can't find the list i made

The best would be if someone had screen captures of each one and the ep it came from next to it.

Anyone up to it?!

JackDaniels
February 4th, 2005, 11:39 AM
Well, I've watched the episode 4 times now and i think i love it more and more each time. Here's a little summary.

Jack briefs Sam and Jacob on the fact that Baal has disclosed that he's working for Anubis and he wants them to destroy the ancient weapon. Sam and jacob agree to go to the planet as they need to find the weapon to make sure they actually destroy it. They find it and after deciphering the ancient language they unlock the door and Jacob discovers that the technology maybe used to destroy the replicators as its similar to the disrupter technology Jack built. But Sam points out that in order for it to work they would have to dial all gates simultaneously so the replicators cant adapt. Jacob doesn't know how to do this, but Sam knows someone who does...

Meanwhile...

Although Replicater has the knowledge she wanted from Daniel about the weapon she is aware that there is a great deal of use in all of the ancient knowledge he possesses. He argues that he doesn't remember anything and would never help her but she shows him the end of 'Full Circle' when he was about to stop Anubis and Oma pulled him out. He says he will fight her all the way, even though she argues that she cares for him and earth becuase she shares Sam's memories. However...

The repilcators are already infiltrating the SGC and locked out the computer system. Jack orders a full evacuation of the SGC and orders a lockdown of the base once everyone's clear.

Sam, JAcob and Baal are working on calibrating the weapon to work against the replicators and Baal has shown Sam how to rig the gates to all be dialled at once so that the signal to destroy the replicators will be transmitted. However, at this point his fleet is being attacked - a fleet of replicators are apporaching the planet.

Replicarter is getting giddy with the amount of info she's getting from Daniel's mind. He questions if it's too much for her, but she tells him that she's sharing it with her 'bretheren' (or flunkies). However, he tells her, its not just about the info, its about understanding it and she never will cos she's a machine. He then reveals that he knows the replicators are invading earth and she realises hes in her mind. She tries to stop him, but he grabs her arm and informs her that they're in 'Daniel's world' now.

Jack and Colonel Reynolds are still in the SGC after they find out Siler and five others are still trapped with no way out. They make their way to them and get them out, and succeed but the replicators are closing in on them. They head towards the gateroom in an attempt to dial out, and Jack orders Walter (on the surface) to tell Hammond to blow the nuke asap.

jacob, Baal and Sam are still working on the weapon when a replicator ship lands. Baal has to leave because his ships are losing the battle, even though Teal'c has ordered the rebel Jaffa to fire on the replicator ships too. And as a result they are being defeated as well.

Just then, Daniel's eyes open and he announces that he's got Replicarter. She looks at him in horror as he controls the replicators and they all freeze. All the ships stop, Jacob has time to finish calibrating the weapon and Jack and Reynolds note its odd but continue blasting away.

But Daniel's having trouble controlling all of them, and he looses control, but its too late for the replicators and Jacob starts activating the weapon and all of the gates begin dialling simultaneously. Replicarter takes back control and brings Daniel back to reality and frees him from his restraints. He moves forward with uncertainty and she morphs her arm into a sword and stabs him through the chest.

Meanwhile all gates are activating and we see all of the gates activating and all of the replicators turning to dust. Daniel's eyes close and blood drips from his mouth as Replicarters ship is destroyed. The replicators are gone!

Sam congratulates Jacob on getting the weapon up and running, but he doesn't look too good and he doesn't know why.

We're now on Baal's ship as he orders his fleet to take the rebel jaffa and the city. Teal'c appears on the screen and tells Baal to surrender as he's surrounded and Bra'tac and some rebel jaffa take out his kull warriors and attempt to kill him but he beams out before they can.

Back at the SGC, Sam tells Jack that although Baal's still alive jaffa are flocking to the battle and Teal'c got his turning point, and with the weapons Earth has provided they are actually turning the tide against the kull warriors. 'Viva la revolution!' replies Jack. They then begin to speculate why the replicators stopped, and Sam suggests that it may have been Daniel, but if he was on a replicator ship then we won't have survived. Jack says that they don't know anything and stops the conversation there.

THE END.

Amazing episode! By far the best this season. It was great because every character was doing something. It didn't feel wrong that Jack was at the SGC as you couldn't see him doing anything else. Sam was techno girl, Teal'c had his cause, Daniel was kinda all ancient and powerful and Jack was protecting the SGC. It was funny clever and for Daniel especially shows a good lead into 'Threads', though it does work for Sam and Jack as well, when they said 'froze' together you sensed her realisation that Jack knows her better than anyone.

God it was just amazing and it wasn't all heavily serious.

Cliff Simon was right when he said these were good Baal episodes and it was great when he was all 'I am a God, I am all powerful' and then he screwed up the device' and when he wished them good luck and Jacob commented that it was just creepy.

Siler was classic, and I loved it when Jack said that he expected to be put in Siler's will for saving him and he told him that he was already in his will 'That's just creepy!'

Daniel arguing with replicarter was good and witty as was Jack in general.

Just a couple of nit picky things:

In the words of Jack 'reusing props are we?' - didn't the ancient device look awfully like the time loop device from 'Window of Oportunity'?

And the other thing was I wasn't sure that Baal could rig the device to dial all gates (e.g. Atlantis or any other 8 chevron address, i.e. Asguard planets) though I don't care as it means the replicators are gone.

It was also nice to see the planets they showed being dialled in. Obviously they were using old ones but it was nice to remember previous episodes and recognise which episodes the gates were being used from.

So to finish, loved it, loved it, 11/10. Don't know how they can cap it off and you could definitely see how Reckoning could have been a season finale. They really outdid themselves!

Think I'm done.

Quinn Mallory
February 4th, 2005, 11:40 AM
Awesome episode. It's easily one of the best episode of season 8.

I can't wait until the next episode to see how they resolve Daniel's situation (got to love how him tricked RepliCarter).

Now, not I am not trying to be picky here but I am just wondering if this is indeed the last of the Replicators. Does Ba'al's program has the ability to overide stargates that were already in use (and you got to assume that they are being used by the replicators to continue expanding). With RepliCarter out of the way, the rest of the replicators (if any survived at all) should not be as menacing but I guess RepliCarter could have uploaded her consciousness to teh replicator collective...

Mio
February 4th, 2005, 11:42 AM
I tried translating the ancient text on the wall. But all I got was jibberish.

Crazedwraith
February 4th, 2005, 11:42 AM
SOoit seems the WoO time machine was a standard console. Dammit it'd be so cool it every one was huningthis massive uberweapon and turned out to be nothing more than a time looper! :D

Sha're
February 4th, 2005, 11:43 AM
:D What else can I say about this episode?
It was superb.....action, suspense, humour and a few twists thrown in for good measure. I'm in two minds about the demise of the replicators. They have been in some of the best SG1 eps ever, but I will agree that maybe its best to finish them now before they become boring. But I'll miss them :( (Of course - are they really all gone?)
Poor Daniel....... how many times now has he - died, been at death's door or (and this always makes me smile) been shot with a zat? Am looking forward to Threads and avoiding spoilers at all costs. When the Replicator ship disintigrated - did anyone else notice Daniel being beamed away or was I seeing things?
Yep Baal is now my favourite Goa'uld, you know he's mean as hell and yet he's still .... nice!! :)
Roll on next Tuesday and please let it be goooood ;)

langdonboom
February 4th, 2005, 12:17 PM
If Daniel wasn't beamed away, his little tiny human body would be floating in that mass of Replicator blocks, so I'm thinking he WAS taken somehow. Of course it was probably Oma, but who knows.

keshou
February 4th, 2005, 12:25 PM
let's see if i can recall the planets
t'kara
juna
chulak
past and present (the boxes)
prisoners (the vine covered blocks)
fiad....the one that was in danie's dream, the pink planet
one as yet unidentified
sgc
i might have them a bit out of order, i can't find the list i made
There was one that cracked me. Probably juna or chulak.

Where all the Jaffa in the old snakehead helmets looked startled when the gate opened.

I could imagine them saying...

"whoa, what's going on - we're still in season 1 here."

:D :D

Lt. Elliot
February 4th, 2005, 12:27 PM
Yes! I waited a whole week for "Reckoning: Part 2". Made my day on Wednesday so much better.

Things I Liked:
1. Ba'al and Sam and Jacob. WOW! Tau'ri, Goa'uld, and Tok'ra working together - amazing!
2. The SGC being overrun. Something we haven't had for a long time and I liked it.
3. Jack going back for Siler. So awesome!
4. The weapon when released was so cool. I liked it!
5. Frozen replicators was like, great!
6. When every single Stargate activated at the same time, and then every single Replicator being turned to dust. AWESOME!!
7. The ending was nice. The whole "we don't know what happened to Daniel" thing I liked.
8. Daniel's strong mind which was strong enough to stop all Replicators.

Things I Didn't Like:
1. DANIEL! NOOOO!!! I knew when Replicarter gave him that look it would happen.
2. Ba'al was being too not-Goa'uld like with the helping and the working with the Tok'ra.
3. Ba'al disappearing at then end with the beaming away thing. I hate that! So many bad guys save their asses by doing that, its so old now!

Good Quotes/Moments:
1. Anytime with Ba'al, Jacob, and Sam.
2. Anytime at the SGC when the Replicators attacked.
3. Daniel/Replicarter when he controlled her and what resumed from that.
4. All Stargates activating! I liked that so much! I love when they show the Stargate....I mean, it is Stargate: SG1!

So my rating for "Reckoning: Part 2?" 10/10 just as I gave to "The Seige: Part 2" because I felt they worked so perfect and somehow, two perfect episodes aired just one day apart. SWEET! Next week: "Threads", aka as it has been called, "Reckoning: Part 3." I love the Daniel-heavy episodes.

Skydiver
February 4th, 2005, 12:39 PM
There was one that cracked me. Probably juna or chulak.

Where all the Jaffa in the old snakehead helmets looked startled when the gate opened.

I could imagine them saying...

"whoa, what's going on - we're still in season 1 here."

:D :D

that was chulak. someone has identified it as being from family

and yeah, they just reused stock footage that didn't have cast members in it

maybe it was a bit symbollic in a way

daniel also 'died' in double jeopardy, almost did in prisoners, got involved with the 'destroyer of worlds' in p&p, quit the/sgc, almost died in FIAD...bout the only one that didn't have daniel dying was chulak and the as yet, unidentified gate

langdonboom
February 4th, 2005, 12:48 PM
What planet is Juna? What ep was that from and which of the Reckoning gates was it? I mena, what did it look like?

darman
February 4th, 2005, 12:52 PM
i liked episode overall, but that thing with gate being connected with every gate in the galaxy was a little much for me. if that was the case, how would it work if a person went throught that gate? would they appear on all planets at the same time?

Skydiver
February 4th, 2005, 01:01 PM
What planet is Juna? What ep was that from and which of the Reckoning gates was it? I mena, what did it look like?

juna is from double jeopardy and it's the one with all the rocks lined upin front of it

langdonboom
February 4th, 2005, 01:04 PM
thanks! another ep where daniel is 'killed'! Though of course just the alternate Danny.

Congerking
February 4th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Overall a great episode. the one thing that irked me was the rotating lock for the weapon...I mean come on, nobody would ever do that in the history of the galaxy????

I guess since the gou'ld have always controlled the planet and no free people have ever been there it's possible; but a little far fetched.

Loved the daniel eating it again, can't wait for next week !!!!!

Erik Bloodaxe
February 4th, 2005, 01:13 PM
i liked episode overall, but that thing with gate being connected with every gate in the galaxy was a little much for me. if that was the case, how would it work if a person went throught that gate? would they appear on all planets at the same time?

I think if a person went through when it was rigged up like that, they'd pretty much die. ;)

-Bloodaxe

Bub-bub
February 4th, 2005, 01:14 PM
Wow... what can I add to the conversation that hasn't already been said?

Loved the interaction between Sam and Jacob - especially when they're discussing her blowing up a sun ;)

Selmak! Where have you been m'dear?! We missed you terribly! :D

Daniel - lordy where does a girl start? Vis Uban blues with no glasses for a start... his sparring and 'defeat' of Replicarter long enough for the Carter Brain Trust (plus snake) being able to figure out how to use the Ancients device and use it.
And no I wasn't expecting that ending either. I've heard complaints that Jack wasn't concerned that Daniel was still on the missing list.

Oh he's concerned alright, but there is that small matter of a Replicator invasion of Earth to be concerned about! :rolleyes: So yes, he's worried about his dear friend.

Baal - was wonderful as ever. Loved Jacob & Selmak's diva moment (Selmak cannot work like this and neither can I!) And it's great to see that 'Avenger v2.0' has some reason to justify it's existence!

All in all a great episode and despite my eariler misgivings, I'm looking forward to 'Threads'.
Can't give higher praise than that! :D

Elwe Singollo
February 4th, 2005, 01:20 PM
So its pretty much safe to say, the replicators are over yay, but i was starting to like Replicator Sam... :( So are there no more system lord anymore?

Very dramatic episode, liked a lot of things about it, very well could be a season finale for me, especially with a cliffhanger of Daniel's death...

Hywel
February 4th, 2005, 01:26 PM
That was one of the best episodes yet! Watching the repeats of Season 1 made me wish they'd make more episodes that involve all the team. Even though the team weren't all together this time, it felt like they were.

With all the screens showing the whole universe and all the Stargates being opened at once, the galaxy felt really small.

Also, more Jack/Siler scenes, which are always funny.

Elwe Singollo
February 4th, 2005, 01:36 PM
That was one of the best episodes yet! Watching the repeats of Season 1 made me wish they'd make more episodes that involve all the team. Even though the team weren't all together this time, it felt like they were.

With all the screens showing the whole universe and all the Stargates being opened at once, the galaxy felt really small.

Also, more Jack/Siler scenes, which are always funny.Maybe its been mentioned (through the countless pages), but did anyone else think it was weird when Siler and the other ppl were stuck behind a 'blast door' and Jack was communicating with him, and Siler was all like, "YES SIR", while Jack had a regular toned voice?

JackDaniels
February 4th, 2005, 01:43 PM
Additional:

Commented last week that it there seemed to be a mass imporvement in the Asguard voice with Thor, just had to add that the goa'uld voices were better this week and the quick interchange between Jacob and Selmak without the long head bob was great - you so sense that these two are kinda soul mates (iin a weird ass sort of way)

As many people have commented I think it did look like Daniel was beamed away, but it also looked as though the same happened to replicarter. Scarily, though quite possibly, she found some knowledge in Daniel's mind that could help her ascend or escape in some way (though she is a machine, she said she had a mind and a consciousness so anything's possible). I think they may have realised Replicarter is a good baddy, and although i hate the replicators i like her, and the look on her face when Daniel was all like "You lied to me!" was priceless.

One thing I disliked about the Daniel/RC thing was when she released him when they were back on the ship , the way he stepped forward looking all determined I was thinking, like where you gonna go?

Showing him the bit from Full Circle though certainly sets him up for being pissed at Oma in Threads.

Ohh lets all say thankyou to Sky One for showing the 90 min one (though why they couldn't just cut themselves down to 1 simpsons, show SG-1 at 7.30 and keep Atlantis at 9 I don't know!)

Crazedwraith
February 4th, 2005, 01:47 PM
Maybe its been mentioned (through the countless pages), but did anyone else think it was weird when Siler and the other ppl were stuck behind a 'blast door' and Jack was communicating with him, and Siler was all like, "YES SIR", while Jack had a regular toned voice?
Countless? There's three :D That's not even one hands worth! ;)

Elwe Singollo
February 4th, 2005, 01:56 PM
Countless? There's three :D That's not even one hands worth! ;)"exaggeration" haha...

JackDaniels
February 4th, 2005, 01:58 PM
Additional thing. Was nice to see the Jaffa using P-90's etc, though i'm just looking at the Threads spoilers [Mod edit - please use spoiler space if you are spoiling. Thanks] and they all seem to be back with their staff weapons. Has no one told them they're useless against the kull warriors, hence why we got them using ours?

also, had never obviously read this part properly before (probably becuase the sentence before says sams having doubts about Pete) but it does mention that Jacob is very sick. What did that device to do him?

And furthermore, do people think they blew up the Ancient device after they used it, or are they for some inexpilcable reason giving Anubis a reason to come and get them?

Sam fan
February 4th, 2005, 03:21 PM
I really really loved this episode, it was really fresh- and probably my favourite ep, not only in season 8 but in the whole history of SG-1. Daniel dying was really sad because as someone said earlier, he was alone and that was upsetting. I loved that it was just non stop action all the way through with ecah team member doing their own thing- Daniel and the replicarter was amazing!! I mean Amazing! i loved the twist- oh danny-boy, so clever! I just loved the episode and i'm hoping threads will beat it- a big lead up to mobius!!

Vyse
February 4th, 2005, 03:31 PM
Great episode, season 8 is much better than 7! I can't wait to see threads! I wonder if this is really the end for the Replicators though..... :rolleyes:

rhade
February 4th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Yeah I thought it was a real great episode. I wonder if Daniel has access to the same Ancient database that Atlantis does or maybe een better since it is from Acended ancients. I think the reason he can't remember or at least one of the reasons was tha fact that it would be too much for him to comprehend but that somehow his time as an accened being helped him to unconsiously keep that knowledge even though he can't actively remember it all. This was a great way of tying all these threads from previous seasons and bringing them to a finish. With each team member of doing their own thing and bringing in som many good recurring guests this episode is one of the show's high points.

Im_just_guessing
February 4th, 2005, 06:53 PM
What happened to all the replicators that stood BEHIND the stargates?

mathwizard
February 4th, 2005, 08:30 PM
What happened to all the replicators that stood BEHIND the stargates?

The destruction wave is a wave... it will eventually spread to all direction :rolleyes: Sound wave emitted from a radio speaker doesn't mean you cannot hear the sound if you are behind the radio.

Im_just_guessing
February 4th, 2005, 09:19 PM
That doesnt make any sense. Do light waves go in every direction? No. Do water waves go in every directions? No.


No, it doesnt make any sense, and there is a lot of ways they could have done it...but didnt...it bugs me a little.



Also, if a person had walked through the stargate when it dialed all of the gates, would there now be millions of copies of them around on all the different planets? They should have just had the gate start up and shut down like in Window of Opportunity.

DetriusXii
February 4th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Now, not I am not trying to be picky here but I am just wondering if this is indeed the last of the Replicators. Does Ba'al's program has the ability to overide stargates that were already in use (and you got to assume that they are being used by the replicators to continue expanding). With RepliCarter out of the way, the rest of the replicators (if any survived at all) should not be as menacing but I guess RepliCarter could have uploaded her consciousness to teh replicator collective...

I don't think any replicators survived after this episode. Even if we allow the possibility that the Ancient weapon didn't reach every corner of the galaxy where the replicators were located, I think there data sharing of the Ancient knowledge would be their downfall once most of the replicators were destroyed by the Ancient weapon.

Replicarter had stated that replicators were capable of handling the Ancient knowledge because their numbers were growing in size and they were acting like a collective harddrive. If 90% of the hard drive is destroyed, it's likely the Ancient knowledge overloaded their memory capacity much like the Ancient library did to Jack.

Agent_Dark
February 4th, 2005, 10:04 PM
A little sad to see RepliCarter go - AT plays evil so well >:) - but overall an excellent episode. Cant wait for the end of season :D

mathwizard
February 4th, 2005, 10:12 PM
That doesnt make any sense. Do light waves go in every direction? No. Do water waves go in every directions? No.


No, it doesnt make any sense, and there is a lot of ways they could have done it...but didnt...it bugs me a little.



Also, if a person had walked through the stargate when it dialed all of the gates, would there now be millions of copies of them around on all the different planets? They should have just had the gate start up and shut down like in Window of Opportunity.

It was an analogy dude. And light wave can bounce off surfaces, and for EM wave in general, given enough energy can causes nearby atoms to give off secondary emissions.

I suppose if someone goes through the gate, his or her molecules will get evently distributed to all the gates, so he or she won't be able to reconstruct at the end of the wormhole, i.e. he or she dies. You can't create many copies because matter cannot be created out of no where. In other words, suppose a matter that passes through has Y molecules, and there are Z gates, then perhaps each gate receives Y/Z molecules. ;)

Im_just_guessing
February 4th, 2005, 10:24 PM
I still think all problems would be solved if they just had the gates turn on and off real quick like in WoO, and then just like emited a pulse FROM the gate.

DelTrax1
February 5th, 2005, 12:51 AM
I'm glad they finally killed the stupid replicators.


I am so with you on that.......It was cool at first but at the end kinda old. I must admit that it was the best episode I have ever seen to date with replicators. I think I really like the scene with Daniel and replicator Carter. Threads is going to be an amazing episode. Can't wait to see it. I almost don't want to go on the road and do my work. Thank God for WiFi.

DelTrax1
February 5th, 2005, 12:53 AM
A little sad to see RepliCarter go - AT plays evil so well >:) - but overall an excellent episode. Cant wait for the end of season :D


It's funny....I can't wait to see the end of the Season but at the same time I want to see more new episodes. So in a sense I wish the episodes ended and Season 9 started. I guess Summer comes ohh so quick.

Blend
February 5th, 2005, 02:01 AM
Great episode. Loved the story, loved the 3 way battle with the hundreds of ha'taks..

Baal was great, best Goa'uld yet (he has personality), along with Yu in close second. And Zapacna

Loved the galaxy wide 'all sides in' battle, on all fronts. Was great. I wonder what Anubis thinks of it all. I didnt think much of Jacob getting sick but all the people here speculating is interesting.

Daniel getting the upperhand with R/C was great


And i have to say, the scene of the replicator ship disintergrating was awesome!

Blend
February 5th, 2005, 02:15 AM
Heres the requested screenshots of each gate opening.

1.
http://img157.exs.cx/img157/9573/sgplanet19bz.jpg

2.
http://img221.exs.cx/img221/8122/sgplanet23ks.jpg

3.
http://img220.exs.cx/img220/1729/sgplanet37pf.jpg

4.
http://img215.exs.cx/img215/6489/sgplanet48zm.jpg

5.
http://img211.exs.cx/img211/9783/sgplanet58py.jpg

6.
http://img210.exs.cx/img210/6453/sgplanet65jo.jpg

7.
http://img206.exs.cx/img206/3165/sgplanet76bl.jpg

sgeureka
February 5th, 2005, 02:36 AM
I tried translating the ancient text on the wall. But all I got was jibberish.
Not much gibberish. See the Ancient Alphabet thread. (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=304081#post304081)

Crazedwraith
February 5th, 2005, 02:49 AM
six is the hard hard one to identifiy ti could be just about any planet they've been to...

Looks Demon-y to me...

TheWarrior
February 5th, 2005, 03:00 AM
six is the hard hard one to identifiy ti could be just about any planet they've been to...

Looks Demon-y to me...

Here is a list of the planets gates - the 6th one did get me, I thought it was One False Step or Demons, but not sure:

Juna Gate (Double Jeopardy)

Chulak (Family)

Unknown Planet (Forever In A Day)

Can’t remember name (Past and Present)

Handate (Prisoners)

At first I thought it was the gate from “One False Step)

Earth

Also of note – the second gate clip should not have been used, as there is no longer any Serpent Guards around as far as we know!

Lys
February 5th, 2005, 04:00 AM
The planet from Past and Present was Vyus. And I also thought that the sixth one was from One False Step.

keppiezbt
February 5th, 2005, 04:12 AM
This was such a great episode. wow did i love it. i cannot wait for threads.

both atlantis and sg1 have been picking up serious steam as their seasons come to a close.

good job tptb!

langdonboom
February 5th, 2005, 04:55 AM
Wow, thanks Blend! That was awesome.

Is #5 definitely from Prisoners? I haven't seen that one in a while, but that thing off to the left in the picture looks like one of those Ancient Gate-radiation-shooting-things that Anubis used in Redemption 1 & 2 to make the SGC gate blow up, doesn't it?

Thanks again for the screen caps! I totally died at the moment when all the gates dialed, it was just a great little moment, felt so warm!

Albion
February 5th, 2005, 04:56 AM
We're back!! Woohoo!!!

Well, here's my (delayed) thoughts on Reckoning II. It was written just a couple of hours after watching the show, so you'll have to forgive the shellshocked tone. I've calmed down a bit now. <g> Still adored it though.

Wow.

I'll say that again.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

This was one awesome episode. It was more than awesome. Awesome just doesn't do it justice. It was...epic. I'm still in a state of shock! How the heck did they manage to pack all of that into one hour?!? It felt more like three. I really felt as though I'd just watched a movie by the credits and couldn't believe I'd only been there an hour.

Things that were great about this episode:

* Carter, Jacob and Selmac working as a team to solve the problem of the hidden weapon. I'd just been thinking last week that it's been a long time since we've heard from Selmac and I've missed that duality of personality that was used so effectively in episodes like Seth. Loved the constant zipping back and forth between the two from moment to moment as they talked to Sam. Those scenes reminded me a little of Full Circle in atmosphere. Especially liked Selmac's reaction when Sam questioned his results. LOL.

*Bra'tac. Didn't have much to do – like Teal'c, who just had to stand and look smug a lot – but did love his 'I think things are about to get...bad'.

*Ba'al. Ba'al was just wonderful. An absolute joy from start to finish. So glad he escaped at the end. He's just too delicious to kill.

* Sam and Ba'al's sparring. She really did make the most this week of being in charge and handled it very well. More of this please!

* Some nice tie-backs to earlier episodes. Like the weapon having the same block system as the time device in WOO. And Sam referring to Ba'al tampering with the gates in Avenger 2.0. Nice little touches there. Also Sam's "Geez, you blow up one little sun and suddenly everyone expects you to walk on water..." was cute.

* Jacob/Selmac's disgust at being forced to team up with Ba'al to get the weapon working:

"Lucky guess."
"Not so all-knowing, huh?"
"What's he still doing here?"
"Now that was just creepy."

* Daniel. Oh, what can you say about Daniel? What a hero. He was just superb. Adored him in all of his scenes with RepliCarter (AT was terrific too). From his repeated "Hmmmmm...you know maybe I will co-operate with you. Oh wait – almost forgot you're an evil killing machine – nope. No chance!" LOL. To his battle with her – superbly acted by both of them!.

RepliCarter: You tricked me.
Daniel: You tricked me, first.

Daniel: Trying to leave? Sorry. A little more time in Danny's world.

Saving the day – WTG, Daniel! Freezing the replicators just at the right moment to save the rest of SG1 and a few others. And... OMG! OMG! She killed Daniel! That total, total cow! And it was done so well. No huge dramatic moment. Just wham, out of the blue, very casual and there was Daniel lying there dying. Awk! Somehow that made it seem all the more...real. And MS was superb in those scenes. No writhing about in agony. Just quietly laying down and dying. <sob>

* Replicators pouring out of the gate and into the SGC! Ho-ly cow – I think my heart stopped. I just wasn't expecting that. When the screens started going haywire and Walter said it looked like someone was hacking into the system, I just assumed it was Ba'al getting the gates ready. That was one awesome dramatic moment. I almost had heart failure on the spot. Loved that one replicator trying to push the blast door of the gate room open as it was closing and the SF shooting it.

* And talking of awesome - space battles! Wow – all those motherships advancing on Ba'al's fleet. And all those yellow dots just suddenly popping into place on the screen, out of the blue. Very effective!

* Those shots of gates all over the galaxy suddenly firing up and whooshing into life. Really liked that those were stock shots, revisits to planets we've already been. Another nice touch.

* Totally serious, grim, Replicator-ass-kicking, worried-for-his-people Jack! Oh, how I've missed you!

* All of the scenes in the SGC fighting the Replicators. Genuine tension! I don't think those things have ever been as spooky and terrifying! Reynolds was fun. Great to see Silar in the mix. And Walter was terrific, as always, even though a bit in the background.

* Jack rescuing Siler.

Jack: [indicating the explosive Reynolds has just placed on the door] You should use more than one of those.
Reynolds: Sir?
Jack: It's a blast door? [The finger gestures that accompanied this were hilarious]

Siler: Thank you, sir!
Jack: I expect to be put in your will, Siler
Siler: Already in there, sir.
Jack: Hey, that's...weird.

Also just loved the quiet way Jack said, "Fire in the hole." No reason. Just because. <G> Be still my heart.

* Jack and Reynolds' reactions when the replicators froze and they decided, what the hell, let's just shoot them some more, even if they aren't moving. ROTFL

* The slo mo focus on all four members of SG1, one by one, as individually they faced death, in the seconds before the weapon kicked into life. Huge lump in my throat and snuffling into my Kleenex at that point.

* And while we're at it – the mountain opening up and the weapon. Also the replicator ship landing on Ta'kara. Managing to be both graceful and totally graceless and clunky all at the same time as it did. Brilliant SFX in this episode – those involved in those should be well proud of themselves. They excelled themselves.

* Glad they told us that Thor was safe. I'd been beginning to think they were going to forget about him, out there fighting off replicators. But they got him in in the end. Whew.

Sam: He says he'll pay us a visit...just as soon as he gets his consciousness out of the computer and into a new body.
Jack: That just never gets old, does it.


Niggles:

Hardly any. It would be churlish to nitpick such a wonderful episode. It was nice to see some indication that they're worried about where Daniel is at the very end, but it was a little bit 'too little, too late' for me and this was the major flaw in both parts for me. Up till then it was as though Daniel had been erased from everyone's memory. Not a single mention. It was odd and unsettling. Still, at least the end scene was something. I guess.

Actually, Daniel's current predicament makes me a little anxious and puzzled about how things are going to fit together in Threads. No matter how I try to figure out how Threads fits into the grand scheme of things set up in Reckoning I can't get it to fit right. Like a piece of a jigsaw puzzle stuck in a wrong hole. But...we shall see...

Oh and – Joe Mallozzi, you need a serious slapping! <g> Reckoning I and II would have made good final ever episodes?!?!?! Are you serious? What were you on, man? Yeah, riiiight, they would. Only if you wanted plane loads of fans heading in your direction with baseball bats. Listen up carefully – I shall say this only once. Never...ever get the idea in your heads that you can leave us in limbo with one of SG1 bleeding his life out on the floor dying and not ever tell us what happened to him and then stick 'The End. Final. Zip. No more." on it! I guarantee you – we will not be happy with that as the last ever episode of Stargate. Trust me on this one.

If I really had to find a nitpick to be churlish about (say if my life depended on it or something <G>) it would be that the second half of this episode was had so much WOW factor in it and was so packed full of edge of the seat action, it kind of overshadowed part one of Reckoning and the first half of Reckoning II, which look staid and plodding by comparison. But that would really, really be reaching for something to whine about. And these have their charms too.

Summary – I bet I've only scratched the surface of pointing out the good moments in this one. It's going to take a few viewings to take it all in and sure I've missed mentioning some choice bits. I actually got to watch the first half and then got interrupted. Up till that point I had been ready to come in here and say it was a good episode, that I'd really enjoyed it, but that it hadn't been anything terribly special. Then I managed to get back to the disk and bam! I was ambushed and whacked over the head by the second half which was just non-stop, edge of the seat, a breathless rollercoaster ride all the way to the end credits.

I give this one 100 out of 10. Kudos, to all concerned. This was just one terrific, awesome episode. Probably the best I've ever seen.

EDIT: Been reading some of the other comments, not all of them, and re whether all replicators were wiped out. Just a thought - what occurred to me all the way through Reckoning was that they were always talking about THE galaxy. "We'll wipe out the replicators throughout the galaxy". Our galaxy is, of course, only one among others. So it's perfectly possible, I'd imagine, that there could still be replicators out there in other galaxies besides ours, if TPTB ever wanted an excuse to bring them back.

I know that they did address why Anubus would want to destroy everything in the galaxy and leave himself alone in Reckoning II, but this thought applies there too. There are other galaxies he could have dominated, so it probably wasn't that much of a sacrifice for him depopulating ours. <g>

Madeleine
February 5th, 2005, 05:24 AM
That doesnt make any sense. Do light waves go in every direction? No.

They do. Light from any light source will travel in every direction unless reflected or absorbed. If you light a match in a dark room you can see the light from every direction. Stuff like torches (flashlights in american english) seem to shine in a single direction because next to the light-source is a curved reflective plate which redirects the waves that were going sideways and backwards.



Do water waves go in every directions? No. But water is a finite medium with a boundary, and the waves are caused by particle motion. The waves *do* travel in every direction until they reach a boundary such as the sea floor, air/water surface or a riverbank or coastline.

Gatz
February 5th, 2005, 06:01 AM
Been reading some of the other comments, not all of them, and re whether all replicators were wiped out. Just a thought - what occurred to me all the way through Reckoning was that they were always talking about THE galaxy. "We'll wipe out the replicators throughout the galaxy". Our galaxy is, of course, only one among others. So it's perfectly possible, I'd imagine, that there could still be replicators out there in other galaxies besides ours, if TPTB ever wanted an excuse to bring them back.

In Unnatural Selection, Thor told SG1 all the replicators had been called to their planet. So, the only replicators left on the galaxy were the ones that escaped on Fifth's ship in New Order. These replicators are now replicarter's brethren, so I think she broguht all her warriors to our galaxy to take out the goa'uld.

Callie
February 5th, 2005, 06:29 AM
I too wonder if all the Replicators are gone. Were they all still together during “New Order” and “Reckoning” or did Fifth and/or the RepliCarter do the sensible thing and disperse their forces? If they sent some out elsewhere before the end of “New Order” or before the main bulk of them headed for our galaxy, there could still be some out there in the Asgard galaxy.

Blend
February 5th, 2005, 07:24 AM
Albion, that is one of the longest posts ive ever seen

keshou
February 5th, 2005, 07:59 AM
Great review! Thought I'd comment on some of your niggles. ;)



Niggles:
Hardly any. It would be churlish to nitpick such a wonderful episode. It was nice to see some indication that they're worried about where Daniel is at the very end, but it was a little bit 'too little, too late' for me and this was the major flaw in both parts for me. Up till then it was as though Daniel had been erased from everyone's memory. Not a single mention. It was odd and unsettling. Still, at least the end scene was something. I guess.
This worked okay for me although I understand your feelings. We always want those character moments because they're important to us. There was a lot going on in these episodes. Jack is so used to his team finding a way to survive that I think he's always in a little bit of denial that any of them will ever really die. And the behavior in this episode was fairly consistent with "New Order" where Sam's supposed death wasn't commented on much either. It's kind of a compliment to Daniel really. He's not the naive archeologist that was on Jack's team in the S1 - the guy Jack felt responsible for. If there's a way for Daniel to get out of this - he'll do it. And Jack knows that. It was only a brief moment at the end but I thought RDA/Jack was effective in that last scene.


Actually, Daniel's current predicament makes me a little anxious and puzzled about how things are going to fit together in Threads. No matter how I try to figure out how Threads fits into the grand scheme of things set up in Reckoning I can't get it to fit right. Like a piece of a jigsaw puzzle stuck in a wrong hole. But...we shall see...
Well I've read the spoilers and I'm still confused. I think there may be some options on the table we aren't aware of. I can't wait to see the episode!


Oh and – Joe Mallozzi, you need a serious slapping! <g> Reckoning I and II would have made good final ever episodes?!?!?! Are you serious? What were you on, man? Yeah, riiiight, they would. Only if you wanted plane loads of fans heading in your direction with baseball bats. Listen up carefully – I shall say this only once. Never...ever get the idea in your heads that you can leave us in limbo with one of SG1 bleeding his life out on the floor dying and not ever tell us what happened to him and then stick 'The End. Final. Zip. No more." on it! I guarantee you – we will not be happy with that as the last ever episode of Stargate. Trust me on this one.
Hee! Fans lining up to slap Joe. Now there's an image. :p

Actually, I could have lived with this as a series finale if they'd tied up a few more loose ends. No Jacob seeming ill - no escape for Anubis and Baal. Angsty - no doubt. But I would have believed that flash of light meant Daniel ascended again. And that he knew he'd died helping buy some time for his friends to save the galaxy and that he'd find a way to let them know he was okay. And hope like heck that we got a movie down the road. :p

Of course I'd like the whole happy-ending thing as well cause I'm a big sap. ;)



If I really had to find a nitpick to be churlish about (say if my life depended on it or something <G>) it would be that the second half of this episode was had so much WOW factor in it and was so packed full of edge of the seat action, it kind of overshadowed part one of Reckoning and the first half of Reckoning II, which look staid and plodding by comparison. But that would really, really be reaching for something to whine about. And these have their charms too.
That was the only bad part. There was a lot of exposition packed into these two episodes to bring everyone up to speed and sometimes it brought the action to a halt. And as usually happens the first part is simply a set-up for the second half. Have to give them credit though - they really packed a lot in and found a way to make all the storylines mesh together.

The worst thing for me is that my expectations have now been raised. If "Threads" and "Moebius" aren't this good I'm going to be disappointed! :D

keppiezbt
February 5th, 2005, 09:04 AM
Albion, that is one of the longest posts ive ever seen


haha yeah that was what i was thinking!!

well, looks the like the gould are defeat, minus anubis but well have to see how what happens with him. now i see the need for a new enemy.

i like how they tied all the story lines together. that was great. cant wait for the last 3 episodes!

Vyse
February 5th, 2005, 09:37 AM
Here is a list of the planets gates - the 6th one did get me, I thought it was One False Step or Demons, but not sure:

Juna Gate (Double Jeopardy)

Chulak (Family)

Unknown Planet (Forever In A Day)

Can’t remember name (Past and Present)

Handate (Prisoners)

At first I thought it was the gate from “One False Step)

Earth

Also of note – the second gate clip should not have been used, as there is no longer any Serpent Guards around as far as we know!

I wish they would have shown Jonas' planet too! I was so disapointed!

alz0rz
February 5th, 2005, 09:54 AM
There was one that cracked me. Probably juna or chulak.

Where all the Jaffa in the old snakehead helmets looked startled when the gate opened.

I could imagine them saying...

"whoa, what's going on - we're still in season 1 here."

:D :D

ROFL :D :p

alz0rz
February 5th, 2005, 10:01 AM
Additional thing. Was nice to see the Jaffa using P-90's etc, though i'm just looking at the Threads spoilers [Mod edit - please use spoiler space if you are spoiling. Thanks] and they all seem to be back with their staff weapons. Has no one told them they're useless against the kull warriors, hence why we got them using ours?

also, had never obviously read this part properly before (probably becuase the sentence before says sams having doubts about Pete) but it does mention that Jacob is very sick. What did that device to do him?

And furthermore, do people think they blew up the Ancient device after they used it, or are they for some inexpilcable reason giving Anubis a reason to come and get them?

I'm pretty sure they mentioned that they had secured it with the fleet the rebels had .. did you see that huge fleet the rebel jaffa now have.. wow :eek:

Oh and LOL did anyone else see that lone replicator that fell off the edge of the ramp in the temple when they all froze? He was like DOH and I was like ROFL :D :p

Ugly Pig
February 5th, 2005, 10:04 AM
If I am ever able to get onto the GW forums again (note: And here I am, three days later.), I will surely post this


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Reckoning Part 2'

As I was saying last week: Holy crap. Okay... I'm usually "Mr. Positive" when it comes to Stargate, but I must admit that there's been more "meh" grade episodes this season than there probably should have been. But boy, does this two-parter make up for it in a big way. This episode is easily the best of the season (at least so far, obviously) as well as one of the greatest Stargate episodes of all time.

The enormous awesome-factor aside, the plot is also moved a whole lot forward. The replicators are wiped from existance (unless some remain in another galaxy, I guess...), including RepliCarter, and the Jaffa rebellion appearantly win their freedom. Or at least, that seems to be the implication... They aren't actually seen being fully liberated, but their taking the temple supposedly proves once and for all to all Jaffa that the Goa'uld are false gods. Presumably, the days of the Goa'uld are numbered now that their armies will (again, supposedly) abandon them and very likely even turn on them.

Random observations!
- Ba'al escaped the Jaffa. But what will happen to him now?
- We didn't see Anubis in this episode. What's up with him?
- What will happen to the Ancient weapon capable of seeing all life in the galaxy destroyed!? They didn't blow it up...
- Anyone else worried about Jacob? He was obviously affected by the Ancient weapon... I have a bad feeling about this.
- Speaking of the Ancient weapon - did anyone notice that its design was pretty much the same as the failed time device found in 'Window of Opportunity'? And that the screen looked a lot like the ones in Atlantis?
- This is the second time the replicators have invaded the SGC. I just about died when they came through the gate... and when Jack and the gang were unable to stop them.
- Daniel controlling the replicators was bloody brilliant!
- Loved the sequence where we see gates activating on many planets. I recognized Chulak, the planet from 'Doble Jeopardy', the planet from Daniel's dream in 'Forever in a Day' (so it does exist - at least I think that was it) and the SGC.
- Daniel is dead! :eek: He actually, really died in this episode! And he didn't come back! Okay - I'm sure this death won't be permanent either, but still...
- Jack looked worried there at the end...

A couple of loose ends tied up... and a few left dangling for next week (and beyond? We'll see). I believe it was Robert C. Cooper who said that anyone who has ever been watching Stargate SG-1 would want to see the last few episodes this season. Well, it's obviously too early to tell about the remaining ones. But this week's episode sure did rock.


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DelTrax1
February 5th, 2005, 10:06 AM
Also, if a person had walked through the stargate when it dialed all of the gates, would there now be millions of copies of them around on all the different planets? They should have just had the gate start up and shut down like in Window of Opportunity.

If you were to walk through the gate you would end up in pieces. Parts on every world. Probably tiny parts since there is so many gates.

Giantevilhead
February 5th, 2005, 10:43 AM
The ending was nice but they couldn't have possibly killed off all the replicators. There are plenty of planets without gates, there's planets with gates buried, there could have also been planets with gates already open, not to mention replicators that weren't near any planets.

Wass
February 5th, 2005, 11:12 AM
Well what can I say that has not already been said before it was master piece I loved every minute of it.

I do want to discuss one thing though the ancient device they found Carter/Jacob had to reconfigure the output wave so it matchs to the weapon Jack created in “New Order” now remember at the end it was off “0.76” the original wave. Do you think some replicators survived and can be brought back in the future somehow. I hope not because it looked as if this was the end for the replicators.

langdonboom
February 5th, 2005, 11:17 AM
I got another question -- if they were using the Replicator-weapon that Jack made with his ancient knowledge, and then Replicater became immune to that weapon, why were they trying to get the weapon at Ta'kara to match the frequency of the original weapon? Shouldn't they have been trying to make it like the original weapon plus an upgrade or something to take into account the replicator's immunity to the original weapon?

Or was this ancient weapon so much more powerful that even being close to the original would somehow guarantee (with in .76) that it would work?

I agree that probably this variance has had an effect on Selmak somehow. I can't wait to find out!

AlphaBlu
February 5th, 2005, 02:25 PM
Hmm... don't get to say this often.

As much as I loved Season 6, there hasn't been a Stargate episodet this good since Season 5. Finding faults in this episode is virtually impossible. In fact, I can only find three, and that's if I stretch it:

1. The device was the same one as WoO, but why no "This is familiar" from Sam?
2. Dailing all the Gates at once; the thing from WoO did that as well, so why'd we need Ba'al to do it?
3. The UV-washed world that had a Gate on it may or may not exist.

And truly, these are minor, minor nitpicks.

Everything about this episode was just wonderful:

1. Replicarter just felt like a completely different character. Hats off to AT for managing to play someone who looks the same, has the same feelings, yet is still a completely different person... I mean ... killing machine.

2. Ba'al was great. I am so glad he's not dead.

3. Playing up the angle that Selmak (and therefore Jacob) was finding it really difficult to work with Ba'al was a very clever thing to do. Here we have a Tok'ra, who's entire existance is based around fighting the Goa'uld, and he's been doing it for millenia, and now he's forced to work with one. It would be constantly eating him up inside.

4. CONTINUITY!!! Lots of references to other things - Avenger, Exodus etc.

5. Replicators in the SGC! The moment they started streaming out of the Gate my eyes shot out of my skull. I was completely not expecting that. Jack went into immediate combat mode and it did what I wasn't expecting - it put Jack back in the episode and actually made his presence worthwhile - he was doing something, something very important.

6. Jack going back for Siler! That was awesome. Both the 'blast door' and 'will' bits were great.

7. Daniel was very good in this episode. I loved the "No, but I'm learning!" line.

8. The second moment that made my eyes shoot out of my head - DANIEL DIED... AGAIN! I had no idea that was coming, took me totally by surprise. And it's not like 'Oh he's dead floating around on that ship', it's 'Oh he's dead and OMG the ship he was on just decintergrated!' I mean, talk about peril. I've often said that you can't threaten a character's life this late into a shows run (7th or 8th season) and expect there to be true suspence. What you can do to create suspence is just out and out KILL people, as they did in this. And man... did it work. And it was a completely different feeling to Meridian as well. In Meridian we knew he was going the whole ep, so it was sad. In this it was BANG, you're stabbed in the chest and BOOM, the ship is destroyed.

9. Sam and Jack trying to cope with their lack of knowledge over Daniel by not coping with it. Jack did exactly what he did in Revelations (Revelations being the ep from Season 5 that Reckoning 2 manages to match) and just shuts her down, refusing to even talk about it ('We don't know anything') and Sam cannot really start the conversation.

10. The music. Towards the end with the shots of everyone in peril, Sam and Jack firing away. The music was just great.

11. GIANT fleets of ships. Never before in Stargate have we seen anything like that.

12. The best beat in the entire episode:

*Replicator's freeze*

CUT TO Reynolds and Jack.

Reynolds: Hmm...
Jack: That's odd.

(Beat)

They shruyg. Reynolds and Jack start firing again.

That bit was great.

11/10 for this episode. Best episode in a LONG LONG time.

BYE

joasia
February 5th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Here is a list of the planets gates - the 6th one did get me, I thought it was One False Step or Demons, but not sure

Yep, it's it. Just checked. Only mirrored :).

Im_just_guessing
February 5th, 2005, 06:27 PM
They do. Light from any light source will travel in every direction unless reflected or absorbed. If you light a match in a dark room you can see the light from every direction. Stuff like torches (flashlights in american english) seem to shine in a single direction because next to the light-source is a curved reflective plate which redirects the waves that were going sideways and backwards.


But water is a finite medium with a boundary, and the waves are caused by particle motion. The waves *do* travel in every direction until they reach a boundary such as the sea floor, air/water surface or a riverbank or coastline.



Except that a light from a match is really many lights, one light wave would be like a laser beam, one direction. Or try putting this match behind a board with a slit in it. The light will come through in sourt of a < shape as it difracts, but it will not go in every direction.

The same thing will happen with water waves when they go through a slit.

The stargate is a circular slit. :|

Albion
February 6th, 2005, 03:22 AM
Albion, that is one of the longest posts ive ever seen

Yeah, got a tad excited. Could you tell? :D

I've lost my note of who it was who posted that the replicators were all called to the planet and then stuck in the time device, but I'm going to respond to it anyway. You know who you are. <g>

Yes, they were all trapped on the planet. That's true - then. But the replicators have been free of the time device planet for some time by the time we get to Reckoning. You don't think they'd have spread out as fast as they could by then? I don't think it's implausible that in the time since they've moved into neighbouring galaxies too.

Agree too with the poster who noted that there are bound to be some who escaped the weapon. Just as I argued with the Tollans being totally extinct - it's very hard to wipe out an entire race right down to the last individual, no matter what method you use. There are usually always survivors, who, through sheer luck or whatever are in the right place at the right time to miss out on being killed. I believe that TPTB could bring back replicators or Tollans if they chose. For the Tollans - they had a stargate. And ships. Tollans had to be using both on a day to day basis for whatever reason - commerce maybe, visiting friends on other worlds - the Nox, whoever - a hundred reasons. Some of those Tollans could have been offworld when Tollana was attacked. Some could have been out in space travelling in ships. It wouldn't strike me at all odd that there are scattered survivors out there.

Which doesn't mean I think the Tollans will appear again. Or the replicators for that matter. Just that if they did I wouldn't find it implausible.

While I'm here - here are my worries about Threads, given the ending of replicators. It's bugging me now. <g>:

Given the spoilers for Thread are correct - and of course that's never a given - Daniel spends most of the episode in a diner with Oma thinking about whether to ascend as his life hangs in the balance. Following on from the end of Reckoning II, I can see only two scenarios there that fit this. One, his physical body has been found and he's lying in the SGC, hovering on the brink of death. Or, two, he's not yet been found and no one at the SGC knows what happened to him or whether he's dead or alive. Given both scenarios, what are Sam and Jack up to while their friend lies dying in the infirmary/whoknowswhere? Well, Sam's fretting over whether Pete's really the man for her. And Jack's off making whoopee with the nice lady from the CIA. Even worse, the suggestion is that Jack and Kerry's relationship has been ongoing for a while, not started in Threads. So just how long has Daniel been dying/missing by the time Threads begins? I've tried this on from various angles and just can't make it fit in character for Jack and Sam. Or fit logically into continuity at all. So bit puzzled right now as to how they'll make it all fit together with Reckoning II. Rather interested too though to see how they do. ;) It seems impossible to make it work to me right now, but I'll be darn happy to be pleasantly surprised by their cleverness if they manage it.

Albion :)

jantreeuk1
February 6th, 2005, 03:40 AM
Yep, it's it. Just checked. Only mirrored :).
Actually if you watch FIAD and watch them come through the gate they come through with stock footage from One False Step (only purple) and it changes to new footage. Just watch what they have in their hands as they come through. So it's the same gate. Has the mirrored one been used in an epi I would suspect it has but can't think off hand?
jan t

Keffler
February 6th, 2005, 03:49 AM
was it me or did they forget about thor?

Lys
February 6th, 2005, 04:07 AM
The weapon was effective throught the gates network, but what about hte planets where they buried the gate (Nox, Spirits...). Do you think there is a way for some Replicators to have survived on these planets ?

Replicarter
February 6th, 2005, 04:18 AM
was it me or did they forget about thor?


No, they dident forget, at the end Sam tells jack that theyv had contact and Thor is currently being downloaded into a new body.

Replicarter
February 6th, 2005, 04:20 AM
The weapon was effective throught the gates network, but what about hte planets where they buried the gate (Nox, Spirits...). Do you think there is a way for some Replicators to have survived on these planets ?

I dont think so, maybe if the writers want to bring them back they will write that in, but i think they all came to that one place as to stop the 1 wepon that could destroy them all, Replicarter may have new there was a slight chance she wouldent get the wepon, so made sure every replicator was trying to get to it.

Keffler
February 6th, 2005, 04:20 AM
apologises, just rewatched it, must of missed that bit.

Replicarter
February 6th, 2005, 04:23 AM
No no, its ok, such an exciting episode you were probably still in a state of "wowedness" and dident pay attention to boring talk bits.

TechnoBoY
February 6th, 2005, 06:08 AM
What a great episode! The special effects! Those fleets of ships firing at each other! WOW! It was exciting too! Good ep! Best of the season so far!

I think they ended the RepliCarter threat too quickly though. The SGC finally has a formidable enemy again and only after an ep or two their dead already! Although I can see why because they want to make Anubis an enemy again. But still! I wouldve liked to see more of the Replicators.

Oh, and Daniel dead! I know he wont stay dead but I was like, YEY! LOL! I never liked the DJ character once he came back. And Replicarter killed him T-1000 style! Sword right in the gut, how cool is that!?!? :D

Calicto
February 6th, 2005, 06:35 AM
my theory is that there are some replicators still alive at planets that had an iris (therefore, the beam hopefully cant get through)...

Replicarter
February 6th, 2005, 12:09 PM
No other stargate probably have an iris, mybe some sort of shield but the energy wave got through shields on ships so likely a shield around a stargate also. If they do survive they are likely far out into space away from any planet, or on a planet without a stargate at all/or buried.

Dimeron
February 6th, 2005, 04:42 PM
Anyone else got the feeling that the whole thing was planned by Annibus? He purposely give the planet to the rebel jaffs, and then give them enough time so that sg-1 can figure out how to use the ancient weapon to kill off the replicators (Since earth has the replicators destroying data that he doesn’t have access to). If sg-1 succeeds, well, no more replicators, and then he can just use his superior forces to retake the planet and kill off all the rebel jaffs.

Of course, it didn't quite work out the way he expected it too. (Mostly thanks to replicators showing up at the wrong time) But it did got ride off the replicators.

And i have the feeling not all replicators are dead. Just now they reverted back to non-intelligent bug swarm state.

corn
February 6th, 2005, 06:00 PM
in there pre human form, could the replicators adapt to the weapon jack developed?

Dimeron
February 6th, 2005, 06:30 PM
in there pre human form, could the replicators adapt to the weapon jack developed?

Nope. They seem to have gained the ability after rep-sam figured out how the weapon works.

Although the surviving replicators might retain the ability. However, the good news is at least the bugs are not intelligent anymore.

Shep'sSocks
February 7th, 2005, 02:38 AM
I didn't like the way that they said Baal ran away. He escaped, he didn't run, and he was laughing at them when he bailed. Actually, he does that a lot, the laughing thing. I don't think Baal takes himself too seriously. It's like when Jack says that Baal's not a god, Baal's about to laugh, agree with Jack, and say 'Relic of an outmoded belief system*.'

Best Baal moment was when he turned away from Anubis who was admiring the new body in the mirror and just rolled his eyes. I love Baal. Can we have more Baal in S9, please?


*TM PTerry, Small Gods

Galluslass
February 7th, 2005, 03:14 AM
Ba'al is growing on me too. I can almost forgive him his wicked ways in Abyss with the torture sessions, but he almost appears to be the kinda Goauld that could help SG1 - in a Yu sorta way.

Anyway, just getting over Reckoning II - and one thing keeps kicking me about it. Haven't had time to read through ALL the posts on this thread, so if someone's mentioned this, well tough. The only downside to this ep for me was the lack of concern everyone showed about DJ's kidnap. I thought it was just Reckoning I, but no. :S Hey, a few throwaway lines would have sufficed, just to know that the writers hadn't forgotten him.

The conversation that Jack and Carter had at the end was unbelievably trivial, with the 'oh, Thor's fine, doing this, doing that,' and 'Tealc's doing this and that' and then as an afterthought they remember the 'D' word. Now quite worried about Threads and what it will hold. Jack's 'worried' look didn't do much to forshadow the storyline. Well not for me anyway. Not sure if I want an extra long ep about Jack and Carter's relationships, with one or two sentences on how/where DJ might be.

But then, I should have faith in TPTB. They kicked [email protected]@ with the Reckonings, I'll give them that. Thouroughly enjoyable and I'm praying Threads will be worth it.

Missed ya, Gateworld. Glad you are back. :D

Shep'sSocks
February 7th, 2005, 04:19 AM
They couldn't do anything about Daniel's kidnapping. All they could do is what they did do. They also don't know what happened to Daniel. All they can do is speculate and I think it would be pretty dull for the viewer to have endless worry. We know they care about Daniel, we don't need to see it all the time.

langdonboom
February 7th, 2005, 08:27 AM
However, the good news is at least the bugs are not intelligent anymore.

There is no reason to assume the bugs are not intellegent, since they always were very intellegent even before the human-form reps appearaed. Think of all the things they did in previous episodes. They could take over goa'uld ships and other alien ships like they did with Apophis's-- so even if the bugs are just 'bugs' again (that is, if they're still alive) there's no reason to think they're an less a threat.

Galluslass
February 7th, 2005, 08:28 AM
"We know they care about Daniel, we don't need to see it all the time."

Yes. We do.

At least more than the crumb that we actually got.

Dimeron
February 7th, 2005, 08:41 AM
There is no reason to assume the bugs are not intellegent, since they always were very intellegent even before the human-form reps appearaed. Think of all the things they did in previous episodes. They could take over goa'uld ships and other alien ships like they did with Apophis's-- so even if the bugs are just 'bugs' again (that is, if they're still alive) there's no reason to think they're an less a threat.


I mean intelligent in the sense that the ability to analysis situation, reason, and the entire cognitive process.

The replicators were intelligent in the sense that an animal is cunning, but they can be easily tricked, as Carter has done numerous times. They were never truly sentient. Just like bugs and virus that rely on their nature resilience and adoptability to survive.

Human-shaped replicators are intelligent, which is why rep-sam was able to adopt to the distributor weapon or formulate the plan to try to find and destroy the only weapon that can stop them.

Wass
February 7th, 2005, 08:50 AM
I think the human form replicators have some form of emotion and the desire to survive at any cost compared to bug-replicators.

langdonboom
February 7th, 2005, 10:23 AM
mean intelligent in the sense that the ability to analysis situation, reason, and the entire cognitive process.

What would you call what they did on Apophis's ship in the 'far-out' galaxy just after SG-1 blew up the sun? I mean, they attacked the big ship, they got on board, they disabled the self-destruct, they learned how to adapt the goa'uld ship's engines! This is not sentient behavoir?! They just couldn't communicate in a human-like way, but they were VERY intelligent and not just in a fight-or-flight way, in my opinion.

Matt G
February 7th, 2005, 04:25 PM
KABOOM!

These two eps have been the best of S7 and 8 put together by my reckoning(no pun intended!)

Name me a character that wasn't on form?

Very nice work Daniel going one-on-one with Replicarter only to get stabbed in the chest late on! :(

kashi
February 8th, 2005, 04:08 AM
It's obvious Daniel didn't die, and ascended again. The replicator ship filled with white light just before it exploded. It was kinda subtle, but if you watch it again you will know what I'm talking about.

Wass
February 8th, 2005, 04:18 AM
It's obvious Daniel didn't die, and ascended again. The replicator ship filled with white light just before it exploded. It was kinda subtle, but if you watch it again you will know what I'm talking about.

I didn’t notice that I’l check it out

Qasim
February 8th, 2005, 06:52 AM
the weapon transmitted through the stargates of the milky way did it also connect to the gates in the asgard galaxy - ida.

Replicarter
February 8th, 2005, 08:06 AM
No, i dont think so, the power requirments to dial one gate in another galaxy is huge, nevermind every gate in another galaxy.

KatG
February 8th, 2005, 10:56 AM
I have a little theory on that. I believe in order to change life in the galaxy, or destory one type, another had to be given in its place too. So, Jacob is on his way to the pearly gates - Selmak is only keeping him going until he too will succumb.

I have a feeling that your theory may be right. That's why I'm really concerned about Jacob. Wonder if we'll find out in Threads?

Dimeron
February 8th, 2005, 10:17 PM
What would you call what they did on Apophis's ship in the 'far-out' galaxy just after SG-1 blew up the sun? I mean, they attacked the big ship, they got on board, they disabled the self-destruct, they learned how to adapt the goa'uld ship's engines! This is not sentient behavoir?! They just couldn't communicate in a human-like way, but they were VERY intelligent and not just in a fight-or-flight way, in my opinion.

I would call that doing what they have evolved to do. The replicator entire existence resolves around adopting/absorbing technology and replicate. The replicators are not sentient in the sense of humans, ghould, asgards, etc are, but they have advantages in other areas.

They are adoptable and intelligent just as a virus can be adoptable and can counter even the most advanced medical technology we have to offer. Except on a scale couple million times better.

The replicators undoudtly can "think" and do many things that no other intelligent creatures can. But that is limited to one very small area of intelligence. They lack the tactic skills and creativity to analysis freeform situation that humans posses. This is why carter was able to outmaneuver replicator bugs many times. (But not the human replicators. The again, the human replicators, being based on human, has human short coming as well, as demonstrated by fifth).

kashi
February 9th, 2005, 04:58 PM
I still think this whole replicator thing was the lamest thing ever, and has really wrecked SG-1. I mean honestly...nanotech kill machine falls in love with Sam and makes a copy of her. Sounds like something from a really bad teen movie...

Katkin
February 10th, 2005, 01:43 AM
I’m coming to this thread late ut just wanted to say I thought this was terrific and worthy of being a season finale. And B’AAL ROCKED! Maybe we should have a B’aal thunk thread??!!

Elite Anubis Guard
February 10th, 2005, 09:11 AM
loved this episode-classic sg1 humour:

Use two of those things...
sir?
its a 'blast' door.

and the bit where the replicaters stop-thats odd....
and they keep shooting!

Although i do think the replicater forces they where fighting where hardly invasion materal.

Buzz Lightyear
February 10th, 2005, 10:12 AM
Although i do think the replicater forces they where fighting where hardly invasion materal.

Ah, but the beauty of a replicator is that it can... replicate. An invasion force only really needs to consist of a single replicator. Using more would ensure a faster outcome, that's all.

Elite Anubis Guard
February 12th, 2005, 01:18 AM
i dont mean that, aload came through the gate but when the sg personal where defendin the gateroom and tyler it hardly seemed like many where coming to get em despite the big pile of blocks!

MartoufMarty
February 13th, 2005, 07:31 AM
Okay, this might have been pointed out somewhere back within the depths (pages) of this thread, but I'm just... well, honestly, I'm lazy...

I noticed in the SGC when they were all shooting the Replicators they reused a scene from Menace. They're shooting the Replicators and you can clearly see Teal'c with no hair in the crowd shooting the Replicators with a big gun.

I'm looking for a exact time right now...

At about 33:33 (without commercials).

And also a couple other times throughout the episode there are little reused scenes... But that one was a big one because you could see Teal'c when he's got hair and on that ship over that planet...

And also, when they had all the stargates dialling, they just reused scenes there too. The purple planet from Forever In A Day, and many more lol...

Well, it's cheaper to do that then to make up a bunch of new scenes...

Wass
February 13th, 2005, 07:46 AM
Just had look it does look as if it is Teal'c.

MartoufMarty
February 13th, 2005, 07:54 AM
Just had look it does look as if it is Teal'c.
It is Teal'c! It's a clip from Menace! :P

shipper hannah
February 14th, 2005, 08:33 AM
this might be a stupid question but how come ba'al beamed away with an asgard lookie beam?

joasia
February 14th, 2005, 11:05 AM
this might be a stupid question but how come ba'al beamed away with an asgard lookie beam?

Baal served Anubis, who had acces to Thor's knowledge. Remember - Osiris had the beam technology and (s)he served Anubis too.

shipper hannah
February 15th, 2005, 04:42 AM
Baal served Anubis, who had acces to Thor's knowledge. Remember - Osiris had the beam technology and (s)he served Anubis too.

oh right yeah, thanks

buuzero
February 15th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Awesome, Awesome, Awesome episode. Haven't been this impressed with an SG1 ep in a long time. Reckoning 1 and 2 are instant classics. And they aren't even the last eps of the season!

Everyone working on this show deserves a serious pat on the back!

Now I gotta go see Threads :)

Brendan
February 22nd, 2005, 07:32 PM
This episodes has easily entered my top ten of favourite SG-1 episodes.

AMAZING!! I haven't been thrilled by a TV show in a few years. I loved every minute, every second, every frame of this episode. And the ending? BOOYAH!! Daniels dead again and that opens the door up for a whole lot more concerning his acension.

Hot damn, when the SG-1 writers turn out something good they really turn out something good. If the rest of the season keeps up with this episode then I'll forigve all of season 8 being very lackluster and rather dull.

Way to go SG-1 creative team!! :cool: You guys (and gals) out did yourselves!!

david2708
February 24th, 2005, 03:45 AM
Shock Horror!!
Reckoning was actually about Stargate.
More Shock Horror. It had actual elements of science fiction which is what the show is....um...was, should I say, about.
It was a good ep, but the hyperbole about it is a bit exaggerated, I believe. I think people like it more than they really should because the rest of the season has been pretty much crud, I believe.
The Moebius reviews suggest Reckoning was an abberration and they went back to their bad old ways with a dissappointing season finale.
This one good ep does not excuse the 15 or so other eps that have been so, so mediocre.

lord-anubis
February 28th, 2005, 01:39 PM
i like reckoning 2 there were lots of cool actions sceens and it was cool when daniel was contorling the repcaters and what ep could be complte with out daniel not dieing yet again

david2708
March 2nd, 2005, 05:02 PM
One probelm with RK Part 2 was the so-called Jaffa Rebellion really got swallowed up in all the other replicator stuff going on.
Their 'sort of' victory and final freedom were all a bit ho hum and rather underplayed. It felt as if it had all the tension of a dust up between a pair of soggy lettuce heads.
It may have needed an ep all to itself. Then again, the Jaffa stuff always bored me anyway.

Bobthespirit
March 4th, 2005, 05:10 PM
I think this episode was good enough to justify the weakness of part one. Made 'The Reckoning', as a whole, into a strong episode. Especially because the damn one dimensional replicators seem to be gone, hopefully forever!

Now the Asgard have no excuse not to blow the gua'uld to hell.

I didn't expect Daniel to be killed again at the end of the episode. Of course, it's pretty predictable even not knowing any spoilers that he's going to ascend again. I think they should have added a scene showing the cast actually *emoting* over Daniel's death, the same way they did in Meridian.

It's a great turning point also for the jaffa rebellion to gain legitimacy.

Avalar
March 4th, 2005, 06:01 PM
This episode is one of the best of the series. Ever. That's all I'm going to say.

Erin
March 4th, 2005, 06:08 PM
I think this episode was the best of season 8. Perhaps the best action-packed episode of all time. If I hadn't read all the spoilers, I would have thought everyone was going to die at the end!!! Well I guess Daniel died again. "Danny's World' is that what he said?

I thought Amanda Tapping and Michael Shanks did the best acting ever! They have great chemistry and I loved the cheesy evil grin RepliCarter had the entire time! AH! Scary!

Overall, wow, I am amazed.

Reona
March 4th, 2005, 06:13 PM
I'm glad they finally killed the stupid replicators.

They’ll find one eventually. :S

Daniel's_twin
March 4th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Fantastic episode. Everyone gave their all, and it worked out. My favorite scenes had to be the ones between Daniel and Replicator, though. Especially when Daniel was able to access her mind while she was accessing his. Then he took over the other Replicators just long enough to give everyone a fighting chance, and he probably didn't even know how he was really helping them. I knew that something was gonna happen to him at the end of this ep, but this was FAR beyond what I thought. My heart skipped a beat right into my voice box. I can definitely see why if this was gonna be the show's end, this would've been it. The space-fight, the self-sacrifice, and even the trust of the person that they wanted to get captured by the Replicators was just great. The scene with that Ancient weapon was also extremely impressive. But when it activated, I knew Daniel's fate was sealed :(

I also loved it when they dialed all the gates at once. Anyone else recognize that planet with the purple trees? It was the one from Daniel's dream in "Forever in a Day". :cool:

Erin
March 4th, 2005, 06:29 PM
I recognized the planet! haha I was naming all the planets when they were doing that and my Mother was like "Yes, we know you know them all."

Reona
March 4th, 2005, 06:53 PM
I must agree with the general feeling that this was one of the best episodes ever. Although I’m sad that the Jaffa rebellion was put on the back burner for all the Replicator stuff, I don’t agree with some of what I’m hearing about the Replicators being bad ‘bad guys.’ To me, what could be better than an enemy you could not reason with, who learned every trick in your book from you, and had no emotions to play upon? The Human Form Replicators are the best.

Plus, Daniel and RepliCarter were perfect. I totally believed their interaction, especially Daniel being able to get into RepliCarter’s mind. When I first read a spoiler for Reckoning part 2 my first thought was “What would happen if she dug too deep?” I think since the Ascended couldn’t cast Anubis out that they really couldn’t cast Daniel out either. The best they could do was stuff his soul back into a body and try and block his memories. It’s all still there.

Now I can’t wait until next week when ‘Threads’ airs and we find out what happens to Daniel.

Sonya
March 4th, 2005, 06:53 PM
I think this episode was the best of season 8. Perhaps the best action-packed episode of all time. If I hadn't read all the spoilers, I would have thought everyone was going to die at the end!!! Well I guess Daniel died again. "Danny's World' is that what he said?

I thought Amanda Tapping and Michael Shanks did the best acting ever! They have great chemistry and I loved the cheesy evil grin RepliCarter had the entire time! AH! Scary!

Overall, wow, I am amazed.

"More time in Danny's world." That was great... it was so.... so... mmmmmmmmmmmm.... I'm ok.... I... he... I... he... Danny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it was coming but I still didn't expect it... with the blood dripping from the corner of his mouth... oh... and the slow closing of his eyes.... at least this time you can actually see his face as he dies. I think that's a good thing.

NightGloom
March 4th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Yaaay! This episode was really, really good. Not the best in SG-1 history, but probably the best this season.

Poor Daniel, there's another check for how many times he's died. It seems like he's always taking one step forward and two steps back. He accesses the mind of Replicarter, but he dies. *sigh*

The Ancient weapon was amazing (not as impressive as blowing up a sun though ) and I loved the parts with Ba'al in it. Especially at the end when Bra'tac and all the jaffa come running in and he just laughs and beams away.

OK, the Stargates activating- am I the only person that thought of the beacon lighting in ROTK?

Reona
March 4th, 2005, 07:11 PM
OK, the Stargates activating- am I the only person that thought of the beacon lighting in ROTK?
Now that you mention it, I do get a sense of that. I rave about the Lord of the Rings too. When the top of that weapon opened on the planet I half expected a green beam to shoot out. :rolleyes:

Sonya
March 4th, 2005, 07:22 PM
It was like the beacon lights in ROTK. I was almost expecting Siler to run out of the control room and yell. "The beacons are lit. The beacons of Minas Tirith are lit. Gondor calls for aid!" Alas, it did not happen. That's so awesome. I love this episode. It does kinda seem like Daniel does something really awesome that will save the galazy, then he dies. Like Meridian... he saved Kelowna.... but he died. He's gotta stop dying... but I understand... it leads to threads... can't wait to see it.

kiwigater
March 4th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Now see, THIS sort of episode is why I LOVE Stargate! :D
I'm pretty much in the wait and see camp re:season 9, but Reckoning 1 and 2 FELT like a series finale to me, and what a way to go! The slightly sadistic side of me thinks it would have been great to end it here (altho I would have been howling at not knowing what happened to Daniel :eek: :p )

What did I like?
The cohesion, it FELT like a team ep, even if they weren't together. The sense of peril, that one or more of them might not make it. I liked Daniel's re-awakening and sense of power, his whole attitude to Replicarter, the gradual shift from resignation to strength and power (I particularly liked his "You lied to me!" slightly scolding and berating tone, LOL! :D ). The way his death wasn't going out in a blaze of glory, but that he was alone, how he just slid down the wall, EXCELLENT!
I'm not sorry to see the end of the Replicators, I was never a huge fan, altho I found the human forms much more interesting than the bugs. (altho it still feels like they might be resurrected if TPTB get desperate :S ).
LOVE Baal, his smugness and arrogance even tho he KNOWS they know he's not a god. :D I'm glad he sneaked away to torment us another day. I'm still disturbed to see Jack acting so blase with Baal given the events in Abyss, I feel like the emotional consequences of that were never dealt with.

This episode felt like it had SOUL, I thoroughly enjoyed watching it, and at the end the first thing I wanted to do was come find a bunch of people to talk it over with. I haven't felt like that about an episode of SG-1 in a long time, and realising that saddens me.
So, PTB, MORE LIKE THIS PLEASE :D Eps like this give me hope for season 9, I'm really really hoping they rise to the occasion and enthrall me all over again :)

QueenKale
March 4th, 2005, 08:13 PM
What a great episode. I liked the fact that they had many different places, all fighting the same thing, in their own way, that was neat.
I also enjoyed Ba'al's presence in helping Jacob/Selmak and Sam. In fact, I always enjoy Ba'al:D


OK, the Stargates activating- am I the only person that thought of the beacon lighting in ROTK?
Yeap, that was just cool; the idea that ALL the usuable gates activating at the same time, over the entire galaxy gave me the same chills that the beacons did in RotK.

Dana_Jeanne
March 4th, 2005, 08:32 PM
This was the best episode of Season 8, without a doubt.

I just wish someone had spared 2 seconds to be worried about Daniel.

The last ten minutes: what a perfect editing job someone did. It was really awesome.

Dana Jeanne

Erik Bloodaxe
March 4th, 2005, 09:07 PM
I didn't expect Daniel to be killed again at the end of the episode. Of course, it's pretty predictable even not knowing any spoilers that he's going to ascend again. I think they should have added a scene showing the cast actually *emoting* over Daniel's death, the same way they did in Meridian.

Well, they kinda did, just more subtly. After all, if you notice, it seems Carter's about to say something at the end that she just can't find the words to; probably something along the lines of how slim the odds of Daniel having survived were given where he was at the time. Then the look on Jack's face seems to indicate both concern and denial. So, basically, it just wasn't blatant this time, but still there. :)

-Bloodaxe

IMForeman
March 4th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Well, they kinda did, just more subtly. After all, if you notice, it seems Carter's about to say something at the end that she just can't find the words to; probably something along the lines of how slim the odds of Daniel having survived were given where he was at the time. Then the look on Jack's face seems to indicate both concern and denial. So, basically, it just wasn't blatant this time, but still there. :)

-Bloodaxe

Jack's lack of emoting over Daniel gets touched apon next week.

-IMF

yasureubetcha
March 4th, 2005, 09:22 PM
DANG!

This episode was the best I can remember in a long time...I think it competes with Unnatural Selection for my supreme affection.


The Human Form Replicators are the best.

Indeed they are. It saddens me for them to go...but I suppose it had to happen eventually.

I loved Ba'al in this one; I've always kind of liked Ba'al, but he's gotta be my favorite Goa'uld after this. I loved the way he said "I am a god." It was so gorgeously sarcastic. And Jack was just awesome in this episode; I like him when he's funny, but I LOVE him when he's commanding.

Daniel's death was so sudden, though I loved the way he overpowered Replicarter.

Im_just_guessing
March 4th, 2005, 09:26 PM
I mean, come on, Daniel dies ALL THE TIME. He should get a little tatoo tally of all the times he's died.

"Yeah, this one was for disrespecting Ra, this one was where I heroically defended the rest of SG-1 from Apothos' Jaffa, this one...well...actually this one was more of a robot than actually me, but I still think it counts..."

SciFiGeek
March 4th, 2005, 09:37 PM
This episode is one of the best of the series. Ever. That's all I'm going to say.

Amen. I couldn't say it better.

IMO, this is, hands down, the best two episodes of the series--even more so than Full Circle, Abyss, etc. I think I'm even more impressed that it was so good considering how little team interaction there was--but I guess that's because the episodes work so well with each of the invidual team members making such important contributions to the overall plot.

Sadly, this is the kind of episode that makes me really wish they weren't doing a 9th season; while I certainly don't condemn anyone who chooses to do so, I don't think I can bring myself to watch it come July (especially what with all the continuing changes I keep reading about.) Stargate cannot, will not, DOES not get better than this! (Though I do still look forward to Threads and Moebius--I yelled at the television when the screen faded to black.)

Wow, I saw ROTK 24 times and I didn't even notice the correlation between the lighting of the beacons and the opening of the gates--what is wrong with me? :eek: Heh, I like that connection, though.

Anyway, just wanted to add my two cents, because I enjoyed these two episodes so much, it made me not only love the Stargate franchise even more, it reminded me *why* I love Stargate so much.

Im_just_guessing
March 4th, 2005, 09:47 PM
SciFiGeek, I think its best to look at s9 as a whole new series that ripped off the SG-1 sets, props, costumes, and most of the actors.

Otherwise its Farscape (and from what Ive read of s9, I'd say that even if Browder and Black werent in it)


So, no need to almost wish they werent doing a s9, because they sort of arent!

Erik Bloodaxe
March 4th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Sadly, this is the kind of episode that makes me really wish they weren't doing a 9th season; while I certainly don't condemn anyone who chooses to do so, I don't think I can bring myself to watch it come July (especially what with all the continuing changes I keep reading about.) Stargate cannot, will not, DOES not get better than this!

I wouldn't rule out that possibility, actually. After all, those are some of the same claims that could've been made about "Lost City" or even "Full Circle", and yet these episodes came along to blow those out of the water, so it very well may be possible for them to still have episodes that are even better, and I certainly hope such episodes will exist next season. :)

-Bloodaxe

Elwe Singollo
March 4th, 2005, 10:03 PM
I wouldn't rule out that possibility, actually. After all, those are some of the same claims that could've been made about "Lost City" or even "Full Circle", and yet these episodes came along to blow those out of the water, so it very well may be possible for them to still have episodes that are even better, and I certainly hope such episodes will exist next season. :)

-BloodaxeI agree, after Season 5, i thought the show was just gonna be bad for me, then S6 wasn't so horrible after all, then S7 came along, and yah, the bad became worse, with a couple of good episodes only, i almost lost faith of anything good comming. Then S8 came along, for me, there is a more consistant amount of good episodes, right when i thought the writers have gotten a writers block.

GatetheWay
March 4th, 2005, 10:09 PM
The whole thing had a real movie feel that I don't think I have ever had with a TV show. It was great! If this had been the finally I would of been totally okay with it. Except for Daniel dying of course.

Did anyone else think that Ancient weapon looked remarkably like the time loop machine in WoO?

yasureubetcha
March 4th, 2005, 10:21 PM
Just like it.

I didn't notice the ROTK correlation...dang, I feel like such a bad LOTR fan.

SciFiGeek
March 4th, 2005, 11:08 PM
SciFiGeek, I think its best to look at s9 as a whole new series that ripped off the SG-1 sets, props, costumes, and most of the actors.

Otherwise its Farscape (and from what Ive read of s9, I'd say that even if Browder and Black werent in it)


So, no need to almost wish they werent doing a s9, because they sort of arent!

But that's basically my complaint--it's a whole new show. I love these episodes so much, they would make such a beautiful end to the series, and it makes me kind of depressed that it isn't. If they were doing it as another spinoff of sorts, I would be okay with it. Or if they had decided to have a huge changeover (particularly in the villains and so many of the character and story arcs) then I think it would've been better done around 3rd of 4th season, in the middle of the series. But this is at the tail end, when the show's going to last 1, maybe 2 more years. To me, it feels just too painful with them dragging it out past its due.


I wouldn't rule out that possibility, actually. After all, those are some of the same claims that could've been made about "Lost City" or even "Full Circle", and yet these episodes came along to blow those out of the water, so it very well may be possible for them to still have episodes that are even better, and I certainly hope such episodes will exist next season.

I would agree with you about that, except that over the course of the last few episodes, and most especially these episodes, they have managed to wrap up pretty much everything. Minor characters such as Kinsey and Maybourne, to larger plots and characters such as the Jaffa Rebellion, the Replicator threat...and Daniel's Ascencion next week. There's nothing left to continue on--everything from here on out will be, as stated, like a brand new series.

Anyway, I should probably try to keep to this to the Anti-Season 9 thread. Back on topic, I watched the episode a second time, and, as stated by some in earlier posts in the thread, it really is true that it works so well with all the team working together, despite the fact that they were all apart. I love this episode so much, I wish Damian Kindler would write and Peter DeLuise would direct all of the episodes.

SmartFox
March 4th, 2005, 11:08 PM
OK i have one word to describe this ep: AWESOME. This is defintly the best ep in S8 so far. I just wonder why the others eps in this season couldn't be as good or almost as good.

My favorite part in this ep and maybe my favorite part in the season is when Daniel took control and tricked RepliCarter. I knew he couldn't be as naive as he was acting. I was real sad he supposedly died. I guess we don't get to see his true fate till Threads. Dang cliff hangers. I've heard Moebius is even better then Reckoning and if thats true i can't wait till Moebius.


It's obvious Daniel didn't die, and ascended again. The replicator ship filled with white light just before it exploded. It was kinda subtle, but if you watch it again you will know what I'm talking about.

Yea i saw that too.

vikingjedi
March 5th, 2005, 12:00 AM
Anybody else think Daniel has some unfinished business to take care of with Anubis? Great episode.

greytop
March 5th, 2005, 03:51 AM
My favorite part is where Daniel to replicarter that she was lying about not sending repicators to earth. I think she was kind of surprised that Daniel was able to get into her mind while she was in his. I also believe with trainning, Daniel could control them by thought as he did to pause them to Carter and Jacob/Selmak more time.

DJFavorite
March 5th, 2005, 08:27 AM
Ok, first off, sorry if I'm repeating anything others have said.

Next, I thought this was a great episode!! Back to action and suspense. If had me sitting on the edge of my seat there at the end.

Ba'al. What can I say about Ba'al? He was great. It looks like he's come to some realization that we are his 'equal', in a sense. He's still arrogant, but is willing to work with his enemy for the common good of both sides. He really hates being under Anubis. I have this feeling that if Anubis is actually defeated, we won't have much to worry about with the Goa'uld. The Jaffa are gaining thier freedom. Ba'al will still have power, but won't try to conquer us anymore.

Good to see some Action Jack. But you can tell, it's not the same action Jack as it was a season or two ago.

Sam and Jacob/Selmak. Not too bad. Good banter with Ba'al, but I just think something was a little missing. I just didn't feel the urgency of the situation.

Finally, Daniel. WooHoo, that was awesome!!! I loved how he fought back and was able to use his power against RepliCarter. I just can't find the words to describe the feeling I got watching him. It was great!!!!

Reona
March 5th, 2005, 11:43 AM
Anybody else think Daniel has some unfinished business to take care of with Anubis? Great episode. All of that gets taken care of in Threads, from what I’m hearing. It’s not actually Daniel that goes up against Anubis but I won’t spoil it for you here. ;)

Reona
March 5th, 2005, 11:47 AM
I think we need to take season 9 as a whole new show, especially since it seems that Daniel Jackson, Teal’c, and Sam Carter appear to be the only original characters going to remain. It’s such a drastic shift of people that it almost can’t be called Stargate SG-1 anymore. Half of me is so pleased with the last few episodes of season 8 that I wish this would be the show finale but the other half wants to know what they will come up with in season 9. Some of us might be totally turned off by it while others may love the new stuff.

What I want to see is more of Ba’al. He was perfect in this episode. Besides being one of the best-looking System Lords, his character has a certain balance between being menacing and being humorous. I like him the best.

Yes, that was the control panel from Window of Opportunity but we must remember that both the time thingy and the weapon thingy were built by the Ancients and thus it makes sense that the control panels would look and work the same.

Yes, Daniel did rock. :cool:

PugGate
March 5th, 2005, 12:21 PM
I think one of the best parts was after Jack blew the blast door and siler gets out from behind the desk and sees the huge chunk of shrapnel stuck in the desk right in front of him.

SmartFox
March 5th, 2005, 12:25 PM
I think we need to take season 9 as a whole new show, especially since it seems that Daniel Jackson, Teal’c, and Sam Carter appear to be the only original characters going to remain. It’s such a drastic shift of people that it almost can’t be called Stargate SG-1 anymore. Half of me is so pleased with the last few episodes of season 8 that I wish this would be the show finale but the other half wants to know what they will come up with in season 9. Some of us might be totally turned off by it while others may love the new stuff.

What I want to see is more of Ba’al. He was perfect in this episode. Besides being one of the best-looking System Lords, his character has a certain balance between being menacing and being humorous. I like him the best.

Yes, that was the control panel from Window of Opportunity but we must remember that both the time thingy and the weapon thingy were built by the Ancients and thus it makes sense that the control panels would look and work the same.

Yes, Daniel did rock. :cool:

Yea i agree with you on it being a whole new show. Everything from SG-1 is over or changed. Theres new charchters, new foes: the replicators are done for good and the Goa'uld are no longer a threat with half of Ba'al's fleet destroyed and the Jaffa rebellion almost complete. Thats another thing the Jaffa rebellion can no longer be fit in as a story. They have taken their freedom and most Jaffa are taking their freedom after Ba'al was defeated and fled. I think they should have just ended the series here.

GhostPoet
March 5th, 2005, 12:50 PM
There is only one thing to be said about this 2 parter.

BEST..EPISODE..EVER

Osiris-RA
March 5th, 2005, 01:03 PM
This was a good ep. Not quite the bang i was hoping for, but the activation and subsequential creaming of the replicators was ... SMASHING. The Daniel/Replicarter faceoff was very nice, though a few of danny boy's expression made me crack a few snickers. (I could still smack Replicarter across the Galaxy, BTW.) :rolleyes: I noticed that the ancient device that Carter and Selmak were pottering around with was the same doo hickey that the guy in the Fruit Loops episode was using to turn back time. I suppose that will set up the time thing in the season finale?

This was a pretty good one, the ending was a tad hollow, but I'm satisfied. Nice job, PTB.

Lexx
March 5th, 2005, 02:11 PM
I liked this one a lot. Not as good as "Lost City", but a lot better than the rest of the dreck we've had this season. I really can't find anything wrong with either "Reckoning". Well, there is one thing. Daniel had the most bizarre look on his face when he walked forward after RepliCarter ended their mental time. Then I started cracking up when RepliCarter stabbed him because he was totally making the constipation face.

As for all the season 9 stuff, I'm personally looking forward to it a lot. It's really not as bad as some people are making it out to be cast-wise: aside from gaining a few new cast members, all we're losing is RDA. And with his miniscule amount of screen time combined with his sleepwalking, I'm not exactly upset over it. I'll miss the character, but it's not going to make me stop watching SG-1. Shanks, Judge and Tapping are still going to be on. Not to mention the awesomness that is Gary Jones. And TPTB perfectly set-up Kinsey and Ba'al as recurring characters for season 9. I honestly don't think there's going to be that big of a change in season 9.

defina91rvc
March 5th, 2005, 03:11 PM
amazing ep, with a lot of great little scenes. for example, how the replicators froze and jack just shrugs and keeps shooting. also, using 2 C4 charges on the door, "Its a blast door".

loved the part when the replicators froze in the temple, and u see one in the back just fall off the wall very funny :D in all i thought this was a great ep.

LMichelle
March 5th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Way better than the first part. I loved the replicaters coming through the Gate. I missed the whole team being together, but I understand the separate storylines.

I enjoyed Snarky Selmak. "Would you like to try it?"

The whole thing Siler telling Jack he was already in his will. LOL!

I wasn't prepared for what happened to Daniel.

Mac
March 5th, 2005, 04:43 PM
:D What else can I say about this episode?
It was superb.....action, suspense, humour and a few twists thrown in for good measure. I'm in two minds about the demise of the replicators. They have been in some of the best SG1 eps ever, but I will agree that maybe its best to finish them now before they become boring. But I'll miss them :( (Of course - are they really all gone?)
Poor Daniel....... how many times now has he - died, been at death's door or (and this always makes me smile) been shot with a zat? Am looking forward to Threads and avoiding spoilers at all costs. When the Replicator ship disintigrated - did anyone else notice Daniel being beamed away or was I seeing things?
Yep Baal is now my favourite Goa'uld, you know he's mean as hell and yet he's still .... nice!! :)
Roll on next Tuesday and please let it be goooood ;)

Yah, yah, yah! I saw that little light flare in the middle of the disintigrating replicator ship as well. Thought I might have imagined it. Either Oma or Thor, I guess. Can't wait 'till next week................

Reona
March 5th, 2005, 04:53 PM
I noticed that the ancient device that Carter and Selmak were pottering around with was the same doo hickey that the guy in the Fruit Loops episode was using to turn back time. Fruit Loops episode! (laughs herself silly)...oh I love that. :D

PugGate
March 5th, 2005, 05:59 PM
Did anyone notice that the replicators seemed to speed up after Daniel froze them?

Joe
March 5th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Did anyone notice that the replicators seemed to speed up after Daniel froze them?
yes

Shep'sSocks
March 5th, 2005, 07:52 PM
Yea i agree with you on it being a whole new show. Everything from SG-1 is over or changed. Theres new charchters, new foes: the replicators are done for good and the Goa'uld are no longer a threat with half of Ba'al's fleet destroyed and the Jaffa rebellion almost complete. Thats another thing the Jaffa rebellion can no longer be fit in as a story. They have taken their freedom and most Jaffa are taking their freedom after Ba'al was defeated and fled. I think they should have just ended the series here.

Tsk tsk! Ba'al did not flee. People who flee don't sit there laughing and then just disappear. He escaped and he laughed at them as he did it.

Daniel's_twin
March 5th, 2005, 08:03 PM
Did anyone notice that the replicators seemed to speed up after Daniel froze them?

Yes. In fact, my sister and I were joking around for a little bit about how the Replicators achieved "warp speed". lol. :cool:

GatetheWay
March 5th, 2005, 08:33 PM
I hope Jacob is okay. He didn't look too hot after that weapon went off. At first I thought it might of been a reaction from his symbiote but then Baal and all the Jaffa seemed fine. They didn't mention him at the end so I don't really know what that whole thing with him was about. I really hope he's okay. :o

Oma Desala
March 6th, 2005, 08:44 AM
One of the main reasons I enjoyed this episode was it was non-stop drama. It was edited together like an episode of Keiffer Sutherlands "24". How they have 3 different things going on with drama that all tie together and they flip flop between them during the episode to increase the drama. :) Both Part 1 & 2 had me on the edge of my seat. So many themes coming to a solution. This episode answered so many questions for me.

1) Were the replicators ever going to be stopped?
2) Where the Jaffa ever going to get their freedom?
3) Was Daniel Jackson ever going to learn how to ascend again?

The entire Daniel Jackson 2nd ascension has me excited. He basically used Replicarter to help him access memories he tried so hard to recall. Once he learned how to use those memories he knew that he would not die, but ascend if Replicarter tried to kill him. He also was able to feel that he needed to buy more time for Jacob/Carter to reprogram the weapon to use against the replicators. So in theory he used the replicators faults to gain knowledge of the ascended/ancients and used it to help his friends and save his own life.

Bandersnatch
March 6th, 2005, 12:13 PM
Howdy Campers!


So, Reckoning Part 2 -- thought it rocked. I don't think I can say anything bad about it -- something I'm proud to be saying after some of the other shows this season!

* The CGI graphics were great. Yes, you could tell the Dakara set was inside BUT it looked very cool and once the camera panned back enough, it's easy to forget it's not real

* All of the stories were linked well -- everyone had their own goals to work on, but ultimately they were all trying to achieve the same thing

* Seeing Sam and her dad working side by side is nice. I know they have before but this time they seemed to really be enjoying each other's company -- the usual tension that's between them just wasn't there

* So they reused a prop? Big deal. It was a from a great episode anyway. Besides, you've seen one Ancient *coffee* table, you've seen them all, right? :D

* The fight at the SGC was beautiful. All the firepower, the explosions, the grenades -- looked like they had fun shooting it. Although seeing Siler with a gun was kinda creepy...

* Was it just me, or did Siler get a load of "bum time" in this show??

* I have to say that this one of the first times this season I've seen the old spark back in Mr. Anderson's eyes. It was great seeing him doing what he does best -- action. He just seemed happier and more *up* than in previous shows. Maybe it was just the fact he got to fire his gun, blow up a few things, and say "aw, crap" a few times :rolleyes:

Yep -- Reckoning Part 2 was defiantly good. I do have to wonder though: who's the poor sap that has to clean up all those blanks and little bits of Replicators?

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 6th, 2005, 02:00 PM
Very nice episode. Several things I've felt have been lacking this season were finally here, and I thought the writers did a nice job of beginning the transition of SG-1 into new territory.

Nitpicks first: The jaffa rebellion is getting old, especially the Goa'uld almost gone. I like Teal'c and Bratac, please give them something cooler to do. But that's about it.

It was nice to finally see that great balance of hilarious humor with big-time action back in the show. Everyone had something important to do this ep, and it felt very cohesive (even though they were all separate). It was nice to see Sam working with Jacob, and I reiterate what I said in Reckoning 1: I've missed him! As was posted above, it felt like Jack was at his best, and RDA seemed to be enjoying himself again. He balanced General Jack with Soldier Jack very well instead of the lost and baffled state he's been in most of the season. And of course, Daniel kicked a**. First taunting RepliCarter and then "Danny's World" comment had me cheering at the screen.

And the humor was spot on. The "you blow up one sun" comment was great, as was the moment when the replicators froze and Jack said "That's odd."....*Resume shooting* And the question that is knawing at me: Just what has Siler left Jack in his will? :D

Seshat
March 6th, 2005, 02:26 PM
Yah, yah, yah! I saw that little light flare in the middle of the disintigrating replicator ship as well. Thought I might have imagined it. Either Oma or Thor, I guess. Can't wait 'till next week................

You guys are good -- I guess I wasn't watching closely enough because I missed that "flash" completely! Now I will have to go back and rewatch the ep just for that...;)...thanks for the heads up. :D

PugGate
March 6th, 2005, 04:00 PM
Yes. In fact, my sister and I were joking around for a little bit about how the Replicators achieved "warp speed". lol. :cool:


I wonder why they suddenly sped up. Was it Thor that said that the replicators don't care about time?

DarkQuee1
March 6th, 2005, 04:37 PM
I think this ep finally answered the ship question: forget Sam and Jack. It's so obviously Jack and Siler! He races back to save his cuddly sergeant, despite the fact that he could get nuked for it. How much more can you care for someone?

Not to mention that he was going to leave all his Simpson tapes to his Significant Sergeant. (And Siler lets it slip that Jack's in his will. Of course, in front of Reynolds, Jack would have to pretend he didn't know!).

The blinders are off at last. :p

J.

Oma Desala
March 6th, 2005, 05:24 PM
I think this ep finally answered the ship question: forget Sam and Jack. It's so obviously Jack and Siler! He races back to save his cuddly sergeant, despite the fact that he could get nuked for it. How much more can you care for someone?

Not to mention that he was going to leave all his Simpson tapes to his Significant Sergeant. (And Siler lets it slip that Jack's in his will. Of course, in front of Reynolds, Jack would have to pretend he didn't know!).

The blinders are off at last. :p

J.

It was mentioned in Part I that Baal should change his strategy because if you aggressive with the Replicators they will be aggressive with you. The reason they were moving so fast is becaues of the Goua'ld battles with them.

Reona
March 6th, 2005, 08:05 PM
It was mentioned in Part I that Baal should change his strategy because if you aggressive with the Replicators they will be aggressive with you. The reason they were moving so fast is becaues of the Goua'ld battles with them.That could be it. The Replicators are only at normal speed when unthreatened. It also could be that because RepliCarter was controlling them that it was she who sped them up after Daniel lost his hold. It also could be that because Daniel was basically freezing time around just the Replicators that they speed up when released to make up for the time they lost, sort of like one clock having to speed up to catch the other.

Reona
March 8th, 2005, 03:46 AM
I hope Jacob is okay. He didn't look too hot after that weapon went off. At first I thought it might of been a reaction from his symbiote but then Baal and all the Jaffa seemed fine. They didn't mention him at the end so I don't really know what that whole thing with him was about. I really hope he's okay. :oFor the answer to that you must go to the great Land of Spoilers and look up the next episode ‘Threads’. :p (highlight me)Jacob dies!

greytop
March 8th, 2005, 01:05 PM
Who is the Jaffa, with the marking of Marduk, in the mothership with Teal'c? And who plays him? He looks familiar to me that is why I asked.

Shiny Chicken
March 8th, 2005, 03:02 PM
Who is the Jaffa, with the marking of Marduk, in the mothership with Teal'c? And who plays him? He looks familiar to me that is why I asked.
I dunno if he's the one you're referring to, but one of the jaffa leaders is also the voice of South Park's Chef.

Brandie
March 8th, 2005, 03:09 PM
I dunno if he's the one you're referring to, but one of the jaffa leaders is also the voice of South Park's Chef.

Issac Hayes! :)

As for the jaffa on the mothership.. are you referring to the guy with the slicked back hair? That's CJ's brother (the same guy who was in "Sacrifices").

greytop
March 8th, 2005, 03:48 PM
As for the jaffa on the mothership.. are you referring to the guy with the slicked back hair? That's CJ's brother (the same guy who was in "Sacrifices").Yes, I was. Thank for the infromation. :)

Sonya
March 9th, 2005, 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by DarkQuee1
I think this ep finally answered the ship question: forget Sam and Jack. It's so obviously Jack and Siler! He races back to save his cuddly sergeant, despite the fact that he could get nuked for it. How much more can you care for someone?

Not to mention that he was going to leave all his Simpson tapes to his Significant Sergeant. (And Siler lets it slip that Jack's in his will. Of course, in front of Reynolds, Jack would have to pretend he didn't know!).

I thought I was the only one who got that. I love the little subtlties that they put in the episodes sometimes... i.e. Fallen ("Your hair always been that way?" "Why" "No reason.") was a subtle reference to Nemisis ("You get your hair cut?" "Yeah, why?" "No reason.") Its so great.

IMForeman
March 9th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Here's a question: What happend to Rak'nor? He was supposed to rendezvous with SG-1 and Bra'tak after a battle with Amateratsu, and he never made it... instead, Replicator's showed in his place. Then, during the whole planning and invasion of Dakara, he's nowhere to be seen? Did our buddie Rak'nor go to the Jaffa Nation in the sky?

-IMF

keppiezbt
March 10th, 2005, 06:57 AM
one of the best episodes ever...the cgi was amazing.....righe behind lost city...

greytop
March 10th, 2005, 12:04 PM
The light right before the replicator ship, with Daniel aboard, was destoryed, could have been a passing Asgard vessel in the area.

Please note for those who have already seen the rest of season: I haven't seen it yet.

DarkQuee1
March 10th, 2005, 07:32 PM
The light right before the replicator ship, with Daniel aboard, was destoryed, could have been a passing Asgard vessel in the area.

Please note for those who have already seen the rest of season: I haven't seen it yet.


I think it was the ascended, or at least, Oma.

J.

DarkQuee1
March 10th, 2005, 07:35 PM
There was a whole discussion about Jack's behavior toward Ba'al, in Reckoning and previously. I tended to agree with those who felt it was Jack's way of cutting Ba'al--his torturer--down to size (and, in Reckoning, because Jack wasn't going to dump Teal'c just yet).

Judging from Ba'al's reaction to finding out that Jack built the original weapon used against the Replicators, it seems to be working.

J.

Shep'sSocks
March 10th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Eh, Ba'al was probably just pissed he hadn't thought of it. He is the experimental gravity generator goa'uld and seems to like new toys.

Wandering Tamer
March 10th, 2005, 08:28 PM
I don't think that Jack is ever going to trust Ba'al enough to want to help him. Ba'al killed him over and over again hasn't exactly made him the most receptive to the idea.

SmartFox
March 10th, 2005, 08:46 PM
Jack never trust any Goa'uld. And never will. It took him a long time to trust the Tok'ra even marginally. Ba'al is no exception infact if anything i bet Jack would trust RepliCarter of Ba'al. ;)

yasureubetcha
March 10th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Jack never trust any Goa'uld. And never will. It took him a long time to trust the Tok'ra even marginally. Ba'al is no exception infact if anything i bet Jack would trust RepliCarter of Ba'al. ;)

I doubt that. While Jack doesn't trust Goa'ulds, he recognizes that their motives may occasionally coincide. It was Yu who allowed him to escape from Ba'al's fortress. He might have accepted Ba'al's proposal, despite the personal animosity, if it hadn't been for Teal'c's mission. Whereas he's proven his distrust of any and all replicators. Plus if a Goa'uld double-crosses him, the effects aren't likely to be as devastating as if/when the Replicators do. If he wasn't willing to give credit to Reese or Fifth, I think it's likely that he'd take even Ba'al over Replicarter.

Jeril
March 10th, 2005, 11:45 PM
I guess I didn't really see this before but after I saw this episode, I totally realized just how much AT changed her acting for when she plays Replicarter. I mean, wow. The two seem like completely different characters and, of course, they are. But still! Her acting abilities really were highlighted with Replicarter, I think, because she managed to make the character so different from Carter, but still with little things reminescent of Carter.
Woohoo! Go AT! :D :D

SmartFox
March 11th, 2005, 06:43 AM
I guess I didn't really see this before but after I saw this episode, I totally realized just how much AT changed her acting for when she plays Replicarter. I mean, wow. The two seem like completely different characters and, of course, they are. But still! Her acting abilities really were highlighted with Replicarter, I think, because she managed to make the character so different from Carter, but still with little things reminescent of Carter.
Woohoo! Go AT! :D :D
Yea she did have excellent acting. They are completely opposite roles but yet she plays them both so well. I wonder if she got a bonus for playing RepliCarter on top of Sam Carter?

GhostPoet
March 11th, 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd be willing to bet that the people who didn't like this episode as much were a majority of the people who read spoilers...if you know what's going to happen it's not going to be as good..it's not going to be as exciting because you already KNOW everything :)

greytop
March 11th, 2005, 01:31 PM
I'd be willing to bet that the people who didn't like this episode as much were a majority of the people who read spoilers...if you know what's going to happen it's not going to be as good..it's not going to be as exciting because you already KNOW everything :)I read the spoiler from GW and I like the episode, I guess I'm in the minority. :rolleyes:

Thek
March 11th, 2005, 02:34 PM
I'd be willing to bet that the people who didn't like this episode as much were a majority of the people who read spoilers...if you know what's going to happen it's not going to be as good..it's not going to be as exciting because you already KNOW everything :)

*shrugs* All I knew about this episode before I watched it was that Daniel was going to die...again, and that the Replicators and the Gao'uld would no longer pose a real threat hence forth.

I personally think it the episodes could have and should have been much more than they were.

Oh well.

zats
March 13th, 2005, 07:30 AM
The two 'Reckonings' have to be the best of the season. In my mind, they tie with 'Threads', but they were different enough that there really isn't a comparison. One was mostly character interactions; one was all action. I taped this one and watched whilst half-asleep...but I remember it pretty well.

What was good:
a. Replicator Carter. AT does evil deliciously well, bringing me to my first 'not so good' point. And her interactions with Daniel were a wonder to behold.
b. No more Replicators! Joy!
c. RDA. He's been a bit off and on for most of this season, and I think this may have been his best episode of S8. Gee, and it's also the best overall episode. Think there's a connection, anyone?
d. (Half-!)Nekkid!Daniel! Um...sort of speaks for itself. :rolleyes:
e. Ba'al. Other than the fact that I could've kicked him for the "female Tauri" comment :mad: ...he's got a lot of depth that can be played with. :D

What wasn't good:
a. Don't get rid of Replicater C. so quickly! She's still got mileage left! Please, I beg you, etc.!!!

Overall: Watching this one, I remembered why I like SG so much, and that's the highest compliment I can give.

zats
March 13th, 2005, 07:37 AM
I'd be willing to bet that the people who didn't like this episode as much were a majority of the people who read spoilers...if you know what's going to happen it's not going to be as good..it's not going to be as exciting because you already KNOW everything :)
Hmm. I read all the spoilers I can, and I think that I enjoy eps (especially this one) even more because of them. I like to know the basic storyline in advance: it gives me time to play with how I'd handle x plot piece, and then I get to see how the TPTB pull it off. Not to mention that knowing the plot allows me to concentrate more on the small elements--they're the things that make or break an ep.

Shep'sSocks
March 13th, 2005, 11:27 PM
I'd be willing to bet that the people who didn't like this episode as much were a majority of the people who read spoilers...if you know what's going to happen it's not going to be as good..it's not going to be as exciting because you already KNOW everything :)

I read all the spoilers and I loved it.

Reona
March 16th, 2005, 01:46 PM
I think that spoilers are the type of thing to be read after you see the episode yourself. That way, you get all the excitement of seeing an episode without knowing what’s going to happen beforehand and the discussion about the episode after. Often times reading the spoilers will point out something I missed while watching the episode the first time. There were dozens of things that flew right by me that I later got from this thread.

Shep'sSocks
March 16th, 2005, 03:28 PM
I should qualify that with the caveat that often, where I am, the spoilers are all we have to go on until the DVD releases.

Giantevilhead
March 26th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Baal is in love with Carter.

PugGate
April 17th, 2005, 08:59 AM
I was just thinkung about the weapon on Takarra. I think their is a ZPM in the ruins somewhere because a weapon that powerful would need some serious power.

SeaBee
May 1st, 2005, 11:59 PM
I'd be willing to bet that the people who didn't like this episode as much were a majority of the people who read spoilers...if you know what's going to happen it's not going to be as good..it's not going to be as exciting because you already KNOW everything :)

This is very much my way of thinking, especially after "heroes", when I was hit by a spoiler in a magazine. It ruined the ep for me.

Anyway, back on topic! :D

I thought this ep was excellent! Stunning FX and CGI, great acting, and brilliant work by AT as Replicarter.

If only the earlier eps had been as good.

QuiGonJohn
May 22nd, 2005, 09:27 AM
Did anyone else notice that the ancient's weapon looks almost exactly like the time device 'altar' in Season 4's Window Of Opportunity?

greytop
May 22nd, 2005, 12:51 PM
Did anyone else notice that the ancient's weapon looks almost exactly like the time device 'altar' in Season 4's Window Of Opportunity?Yep.

Angelique
May 22nd, 2005, 08:34 PM
Baal is in love with Carter.
Ba'am is everywhere! :p

Stricken
May 24th, 2005, 06:12 AM
When i saw this episode i thought on my god, excellent especially after a pretty much average Seaosn with the occasional brilliance such as New Order and Avatar

What was good:
a. Replicator Carter. AT does evil deliciously well, bringing me to my first 'not so good' point. And her interactions with Daniel were a wonder to behold.
b. No more Replicators! Joy!
c. RDA. He's been a bit off and on for most of this season, and I think this may have been his best episode of S8. Gee, and it's also the best overall episode. Think there's a connection, anyone?
d.Ba'al. Other than the fact that I could've kicked him for the "female Tauri" comment ...he's got a lot of depth that can be played with.

What wasn't good:
a. Baal escaping, leaves a hole for Goauld to return

Thor's Pal
June 12th, 2005, 06:25 AM
I just now was able to watch this ep, I've already seen Threads, so I did have some idea that things were going to work out somehow, but I was still completly blown away by this ep. Easily one of the best-supsention wise- eps.

Supreme Thor
June 12th, 2005, 08:31 AM
Jeez...I almost missed it! Brothers were playing Halo when I realized it was 8:30. Turned on the tv and that was when Jacob and Carter were starting with the Ancient Weapon. From what I saw, it was a really good episode! :D

Daniel's_twin
June 12th, 2005, 09:02 PM
You missed half of this for Halo? You got the shortest, sharpest end of the stick! :cool:

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
June 17th, 2005, 06:51 AM
best episode yet in season 8 that i have seen, i loved the part when the Replicators stop and Jack looks at a soldier, shrugs, and keeps shooting...there were some really good lines in there aswell

Admiral Q O
July 26th, 2005, 10:07 AM
It just hit me last night...okay, so I'm slow, already, alright?

When they activated all the Stargates in the Galaxy, didn't they activate the one connected to the Black Hole or was it swallowed up by then or how would that work?

Any ideas from our astrophysicists out there?

Shep'sSocks
July 26th, 2005, 11:32 PM
That one probably would have been already open because it was the one of the addresses given to the Aschen.

MIGater
July 31st, 2005, 09:17 AM
I almost thought that this was the series finale they defeated the replicators and the goa'uld what enemy was left out there. I hope they have a long lasting formula with the Ori like they had with the 8 seasons of the goa'uld. I would even like to see an aditional lesser enemy arise. One that is closer to us in technology simialr to the genni threat in Atlantis so we could get into some real knock down drag out battles with a relativley equal enemy.

Layth
August 25th, 2005, 02:57 PM
I've just watched this episode on SKY in the UK and WOW! I loved it! I thought it was easily one of the best episodes i have seen!

The suspense was great and general awesomely coolness!!! :D

Loved the bit where Daniel was getting the upperhand against Replicartor, was so cool!

"It's a 'blast' door!" :D sweet!

Anyone care to guess what the saying.... If you immediately notice the fire is lit, the meal was cooked a long time ago..... is all about? ( I might not have got that right! sorry!)

Peace!

Resident-Seven
August 25th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Yeah, I loved this episode too, season 8 had some great episodes.

The saying is "If you immediatly know the candle light is fire, the mean was cooked a long time ago". To be honest, I don't really know what it means, but a guess would be that you need to learn things for yourself, you can't just have people tell you. If people keep giving you all the answers all the time, you'll never learn anything, and never really gain anything from that knowledge. Thats probably way off though.

jimbean
January 5th, 2006, 09:38 AM
I just watched Reckoning, Part 2 and somethings bugging me,

CARTER: Y'know, even if we can make this work, the Replicators were quickly able to adapt themselves to the frequency modulation Thor made to the original disrupter wave.

JACOB: What are you saying?

CARTER: We realised the only way to eliminate the Replicators and not allow them time to develop immunity was to somehow hit them all at the same time.



When did Carter learn the new fequency to disrupt the Replicators? In Reckoning, Part 1

CARTER: It took several hundred microsecond-long connections and hours to go through each subsequent burst of data but eventually we managed to isolate the cipher that makes the Replicators immune to the disrupter and we've adjusted it accordingly.



After they used the disrupter on the Replicators and took out one ship, Thor fired the weapon on the second Replicator ship but it didn't work because they adapted by using a new cipher. When Thor and Carter reach Earth the following takes place,

CARTER: See if you can modify the disrupter wave again. I'll go buy us some time. (She starts to run from the room.)

THOR: I have no way of knowing how many Replicators you will face.

CARTER (stopping and turning around to face him): Well, what choice do we have?

THOR: I must return you to Stargate Command before my transporter systems are affected.

CARTER: And what about you?

THOR: I will attempt to fly this ship as far away from Earth as possible before it is completely compromised.


When Carter was beamed back to the SGC:

CARTER
The weapon worked at first, but the
Replicators immediately adapted themselves.
They’re immune again.

O’NEILL
No chance you guys could fix this thing
- get it to work?

CARTER
Sir, Thor’s ship was boarded. He beamed
me down here before all the systems
were compromised. He’s trying to get
his ship as far away from Earth as possible.


Since Carter is off the ship and Thor is flying away from Earth when did Carter get the new fequency to disrupt the Replicators that she used with the Ancient superweapon?

Vicky
January 29th, 2006, 05:29 AM
I have a quick question regarding Jacob and this ep.

When they found the Ancient weapon, it didn't work. But then Jacob just placed his hand on it and it turned on. We now only one thing can turn on Ancient technologie and it's the ATA gene.

Thus, do you think Jacob had the gene?

Daniel's_twin
January 30th, 2006, 09:01 AM
Looked to me like there was some kind of button that Jacob hit. It's possible he might have had the gene, but I think it was more of one of those devices that work for everyone, it was just a matter of re-doing the frequency until the cypher that the Replicators had developed could be overridden. :cool:

Vicky
January 30th, 2006, 10:25 AM
Have to watch it once again for the maybe button.

Mind I remind you that this weapon can wipe out every life in the galaxy?

greytop
January 30th, 2006, 11:51 AM
Have to watch it once again for the maybe button.

Mind I remind you that this weapon can wipe out every life in the galaxy?I think he did hit a button. The table to reconfigues the weapon looked like the same on in WoO and that guy did hit a button.

Dromag67
January 30th, 2006, 08:02 PM
I think he did hit a button. The table to reconfigues the weapon looked like the same on in WoO and that guy did hit a button.

Correct.

"Hit it" - Carter

And then Jacob hits the button, and voila!

Vicky
January 31st, 2006, 12:05 AM
Correct.

"Hit it" - Carter

And then Jacob hits the button, and voila!
Yes for lauching the wave, he did it a button but when the weapon just switched off, you know when the Ancient screen came to life, I think he just placed his hand on the console.

harsiesis child
May 28th, 2006, 07:37 AM
The best episode of season 8 for me! I was really sticked by action! great stargate, it is simple :)

captain jake
May 28th, 2006, 11:38 AM
I agree this was a great episode but threads was the best in the season by far.

Thor's Chariot
July 14th, 2006, 03:16 PM
Daniel Jackson = da man
He was awesome this episode taking on the replicator form of Sam.

captain jake
July 14th, 2006, 03:54 PM
I agree that was one of the best scenes.

"Little more time in dani's world!!"

Sheppard
July 15th, 2006, 10:25 PM
i hope the replicators do come back but in not so many numbers and i hope they annoy the ori because the replicators would love their technology

captain jake
July 16th, 2006, 09:10 AM
I don't think that is going to happen any time soon I think the replicators are off liking there wounds. I imagine there are still some left only because they wouldn't all have been in our galaxy at the same time. If by some miracle they do come back and try to fight the Ori I believe the Ori would have technology capable of destroying them.

Ok back on topic-

DeLancey
August 12th, 2006, 12:24 AM
Sorry if this has been touched on previously in the thread [11 pages, oy] but I wonder if any known worlds got some replicator attention.They would have been concentrating on the Goa'uld and their worlds but who knows, maybe they checked out the Aschen or the Nox Homeworld.

And as far as Jacob being able to activate the 'superweapon', ATA probably wasn't required. The time device in Window of Opportunity didn't either.

RCoombes
August 12th, 2006, 11:30 AM
I didnt like the replicators, i was glad of this episode. it was excellent and I loved the ending... 10/10 episode for me. the end of the replicators the best decision.

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 13th, 2006, 03:43 PM
I didnt like the replicators, i was glad of this episode. it was excellent and I loved the ending... 10/10 episode for me. the end of the replicators the best decision.

But it's not the end of the replicators, damn them, damn them all to hell!!!



......Damn Asurans.....

Daniel's_twin
August 13th, 2006, 06:28 PM
Care to put in spoiler tags? :cool:

Chaka's_Mum
August 16th, 2006, 10:16 PM
Please?

Chaka's_Mum
August 16th, 2006, 10:27 PM
Yeah, I loved this episode too, season 8 had some great episodes.

The saying is "If you immediatly know the candle light is fire, the mean was cooked a long time ago". To be honest, I don't really know what it means, but a guess would be that you need to learn things for yourself, you can't just have people tell you. If people keep giving you all the answers all the time, you'll never learn anything, and never really gain anything from that knowledge. Thats probably way off though.

Maybe we're not meant to understand exactly what it means - at least, I certainly don't.

I suppose it could be a cryptic way of saying, 'if you know this much, then you should also be able to figure out the rest so I'm not going to spoon-feed it to you'. Either that or 'your date is arriving in a few minutes for an intimate candle-lit dinner for two and, by the way, you've burnt the main course'.

Yes. I am talking cobblers. But then, that's what I normally do, so what's new?:p

saberhagen83
August 17th, 2006, 01:02 PM
The second half of season 8 made it a good season in my opinion. This was one of the best episodes I have seen in SG1. I loved the parts between Daniel and RepliCarter.

Chaka's_Mum
August 17th, 2006, 10:33 PM
I second that. :)

Daniel's_twin
August 18th, 2006, 09:24 AM
I really hope this episode makes it into this year's Viewer's Choice Marathon. It was so good! :cool:

Chaka's_Mum
August 23rd, 2006, 10:32 PM
I'm not so fortunate in that respect, alas. I'm just hanging on in there through the current Sky One repeat run. They're doing two eps a day, though so it shouldn't be more than a couple of months to go.

I really wanna see Daniel play RepliCarter at her own game again. Maybe I'd be better off getting the DVD box set. Trouble is, I'm running out of shelf space...

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 25th, 2006, 04:26 AM
I love the bit when Jack continues shooting the replicators with his shotgun after they freeze, and I love the scenes with Replicarter and Daniel - their mind fight was awesome.
And the flashback 'previously on Stargate SG-1' bit at the beginning was mint, my favourite SG quote is;

'There is only one thing we can ever truly control, whether we are good...or evil.'

Chaka's_Mum
August 29th, 2006, 10:52 PM
'There is only one thing we can ever truly control, whether we are good...or evil.'

And, not only is that a great Stargate Quote, it's also a piece of very real wisdom that people should take a bit more notice of, I reckon.

Col. Shadow Quinn
December 1st, 2006, 05:45 PM
What if the Prometheus was in the battle with the rebel Jaffa at the Battle of Dakara?

angelfire east
March 17th, 2007, 04:28 PM
And, not only is that a great Stargate Quote, it's also a piece of very real wisdom that people should take a bit more notice of, I reckon.

Agreed! Words to live by:)

TheGreatLordGeorge
March 17th, 2007, 06:20 PM
my new favorite episode