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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#0066BF"><B>RECKONING, PART 1</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 816</FONT>
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The Replicators begin a systematic attack of the Goa'uld, forcing Baal to come to Earth for help. The Jaffa Resistance risk their entire movement in an attempt to retake a holy city in Baal's domain.

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jmoore032000
January 25th, 2005, 12:01 PM
An excellent episode so many surprises, can't wait for part two

gavinjcd
January 25th, 2005, 12:04 PM
That was wonderfull, great to see everything coming to a head. This whole arc is going to continue for another 2 weeks through reckoning part 2 and threads. Very exciting.

Gav

*Crash*
January 25th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Yeah was awsome!

Has the old Stargate feel!

But with powerfuller enemys ;)

(Deleted areas, due to not sure if this thread is allowed spoilers)

Anyways i think its a MUST SEE

My fav ep so far! :D

sshspooky
January 25th, 2005, 12:05 PM
brilliant ep. lots of guest stars. some answers about Daniel and his ascension. Anubis returns. left on a cliffhanger, with all parties seemingly heading to fight at the same location. part 2 is gonna be amazing.

anyone who thinks stargate has lost it's touch needs to watch this episode. they certainly have saved the best till last in this season.

Crazedwraith
January 25th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Excellant episode loved all of it. SO many different threads. High lights for me:

*Baal only underlord to Anubis has been paly acting since Lockdown.

*Star Wars and Trek homages (borg adaption) as wells RotJ/Temple similarity

*The killed Yu!!!! Noo! He was like the longest running goa'uld and they killed him!

Very good episode got me hooked for ptII

jmoore032000
January 25th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Will Thor survive?
Will Teal'c and the rebellion survive?
Will Daniel survive? and
Who will get to the weapon first?

Teal'c
January 25th, 2005, 12:09 PM
That was... spectacular...

A quick rundown of the wowness factor:
- Replicarter takes over the System Lords' space station, killing Yu.
- Rebel Jaffa have control of several Ha'taks
- Rak'nor may be dead
- Daniel kidnapped by Replicarter
- Replicators launching full assault against the Goa'uld
- Thor and Sam trying to counter the Replicators' defence
- Baal trying to get help from Jack
- Rebel Jaffa take holy temple on Takara
- Baal serving under Anubis
- Replicarter posing as Oma Desala
- Giant Ancient weapon on Takara
- Isaac friggin Hayes!
- Replicarter getting caught out by "If the candle light is fire..."
- Walter trying to make small talk with Baal
- Kull Warriors!
- Jack finding out Anubis is in charge
- Jack dismissing Baal's pleas
- Thor going on a suicide mission (he better survive)
- Anubis changing hosts

I could go on. Suffice to say, I now worship Damian Kindler :P This was one of the best eps of all time and I am completely screwed for the next week waiting for Part 2 of this and The Siege...

*Crash*
January 25th, 2005, 12:10 PM
Im not sure if Yu is actually dead (hope not) if so maby he can get reserected or so

He seems to get it a lot, not very well liked by females i guess :P

Also who were the other 2 system lords in the meeting?

I hope Baal gets the Weapon!, cos he dont wanna die, and i always like bad guy vs bad guy! makes it a much more intresting battle ;)

Teal'c
January 25th, 2005, 12:12 PM
Will Thor survive?
Will Teal'c and the rebellion survive?
Will Daniel survive? and
Who will get to the weapon first?
Thor had better survive
Teal'c will survive
Daniel will survive
Nobody will get the weapon
I will be hit by a bus before next Tuesday, given my luck :P

Davinder
January 25th, 2005, 12:12 PM
here ya go folks, full of spoliery goodness!

We start with a cargo ship approaching the Goa'uld space station.
A subordinate of Baal has a message for the remaining system lords, including Yu. If they surrender, and bow before Baal as the supreme leader of the system lords, they will be spared. The meeting is interupted by two Kull warriors who throw Samantha Carter before the meeting. Yu asks why she is there, before her arm grows to a spike and kills Yu.

Elseware, the real Carter, SG1 and Bra'tac are on board a Hatak preparing to launch a co-ordinated attack on Amertesu's territory. The attack is interupted when another Hatak attacks them, which quickly disables them. The attacking vessel is controlled by the Replicators who quickly overwhelm the other vessel and abduct Daniel.

Jacob Carter arrives on Earth and informs O'Neill that the Replicators are decimating the Goa'uld. Carter contacts Thor in a bid to gain his assistance in modifying the ancient weapon to be once again effective against the replicators.

Despite defeat at the hands of the Replicators, the rebel Jaffa are reaching an empasse. The replicators are being viewed as a plague by Goa'uld loyal, created by the gods to clense them. Bra'tac realises that if the Goa'uld can defeat the replicators, their image of Gods will be nearly impossible to remove. The only possible course of action is while the Tau'ri fight the replicators, the rebel Jaffa take the holy city of Takara, the place where the first primtah was inserted into a Jaffa and where Anubis rose from the dead. The city is the most holy place to Jaffa, for it to be taken would be a coup.

Baal broadcasts into the SGC to inlist the help of the SGC, where Jack tells him what to go and do with himself. Jack states he is willing to stand by and watch as the replicators distroy the Goa'uld.

Sam and Thor are sucsesfull in modifying the repligun and take it out to test against a Replihatak.

Replicarter probes Daniel's mind in a bid to learn the knowledge of the ancients which she belives is still within him. She poses as Oma Desala and attempts to trick Daniel into revealing useful information.

The rebel Jaffa attack on Takara is a swift sucsess. As Teal'c stands under the great arches, his Jaffa collegue's examin ancient glyphs on one of the walls.

Baal meets with his collegue who, decrepid with sores and scars, stands before a frightened host. A black cloud moves from the old body too the new, and orders Baal to stop the fleet from fighting the Replicators and move against Takara.

The weapon is effective against one Replihatak but the replicators adapt to the weapon. Thor returns course to Earth where he deposits Carter before putting as much distance between Earth and his now replicator infected vessel.

Teal'c speaks with Bra'tac who tells him that taking Takara was the easy part, holding it would be the challenge.

Daniel confront's the repliOma, who morphs into carter, who tells Daniel that despite his efforts, she has learned what she needs to know from him. An ancient city, now called Takara is the home of the only weapon capable of stopping the her, and she intends to destroy it.

Back at the SGC, Baal reappears and tells Jack about the weapon at Takara, ordering it destroyed. The device will not only destroy the replicators, but all life in the galaxy, where only one entity will be immune...

Anubis

omnian
January 25th, 2005, 12:13 PM
I couldn't watch this properly :( Too much noise in the house.

Thankfully Sky One shows it 3 more times this week! :D

JackDaniels
January 25th, 2005, 12:21 PM
I have to admit, when the episode first started I didn't have much hope for it. Though I love Teal'c and Bra'tac, they sometimes become a bit too blaah for me. But the episode was great after the first break and really picked up speed. I was oohhing and aahing all the way through - When Replicarter killed Yu (ohh bless his little demented socks!) when Daniel was taken, when we saw Anubis was back and Baal was working for him (which explains how the Kull warriors were suddenly working for him so quickly) and when Replicater and Anubis both planned to head for Ta'kara.

You can see how everything is going to build up so next week is certainly going to be BIG! (if not slightly contrived that Teal'c suddenly decides to take the city, that this is where the weapon is, and that Daniel knew about this all along) but is cetainly will be great as this is a showdown for everybody!

It was also nice to note that Thor and the Goa'uld voices sounded better this episode, so i think they should make sure that Thor's Ok after they stopped him sounding so robotic like he did in 'Covenant'.

I'm sure I'll have more to say once i rewatch the episode, but it was great, and a real cliffhanger (how much was anyone else hoping for a "Next time on Stargate SG-1"?)

nthanki
January 25th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Did anyone notice the officer standing next to walter when he and siler were "talking" to Baal? Im pretty sure he was wearing an F-302 uniform as i spotted its distinctive uniform. I'll try and get a picture tomorrow. From what i can remember the officer had black hair. Could this be Lt. Col. M.M? Maybe he was visiting the base but O'neill obviously had more pressing matters so left him in the capable hands of siler or walter. Maybe i am jumping to conclusions.
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Enough of the conspiracy theories.
This episode rocked! It would have been better if my family weren't that loud during the show. Anyway the O'neill/Baal moments were brilliantly done. One of the best episodes of this season. It is building up very nicely to Threads. Can't wait!

airfro
January 25th, 2005, 12:34 PM
-Will the ancients intervene as its there damn fault, someonetell them not to leave there toys out
-SG1 will obviously servive
-WHO WILL GET THE DEVISE,

/anubis
/baal
/jaffa
/us
/the assended?

-Was this devise the one used by the ancients to rid themselves ofa terrible enemy, possibly the enemy sg1 will encounter next season
-Will the jaffa have to retreat
-Is or are the system lords dead
-Will anubis find out about baal
-Did the ancients use this devise to repopulate the galaxy after the plague

any body got spoilers for the next half

Crazedwraith
January 25th, 2005, 12:39 PM
It Was a wonderful reuse of Summit visuals the opening scene for a second I was Chris wasn't saying "previously on SG-1"

Also A nice commentarty on the state of the goa'uld. Back in Summit no weapon policy enforced bright airy champers well lit many members.

Reckoning-Jaffa nad kull every where room full of Dark Shadows only three members left.

Fox McCloud
January 25th, 2005, 12:49 PM
I can see how the Gould get desroyed now, they wont be a threat no more for S9!

chodu82
January 25th, 2005, 12:50 PM
wat will happen next week possible oneil will use the weapon on the repilcators.then destroy it before anubis gets it. daniel will ascend and kick anubis butt

Galluslass
January 25th, 2005, 12:53 PM
WHOA!! :eek: :eek: :eek: What an ep!!

Started off a little 'whoa' then went 'whey' then 'wow'...
Spoilers below:




Loved all the action, Teal'c and the whole Jaffa arc totally bores me, but
loved how all the stories tied in. Thought it was the Asgaard that stole
Daniel at first, but was a tad disappointed when no one was at all vexed
that the Replicators had him - like Jack's reaction to the news was like DJ had just popped out for a paper and a pint of milk!! with no further reference to him for the rest of the ep as to what his plight might be at the hands of ol' Replicarter. Jack did fret about Teal'c though, so that was cool.

Ach, well. Otherwise, totally awesome ep - cannot wait for next week, and Threads - was totally sucked in by Oma-rep by the way - I'm so gullible. :rolleyes: Thank heavens the guy with the poxy face dropped out, man he looked like he had a bad hangover goin on there.

Never noticed Baal's South African accent before (is he from SA?).

Very, very good ep - well worth the wait - good storylines, good suspense and the anticipation - oh, my.. ;)

8/10

captianspiffy
January 25th, 2005, 12:55 PM
great ep!!

i think also it goes a bit more to explaining how the aincents destroyed the plague, and why we are the second evolution of them, considering if they made a weapon capable of destroying all life in the galaxy it must have been the last resort to destroy the plague.

well good ep, n seeing as season 9 is gonna deal with the aincents its nice to know when looking for weapons of mass destruction, u can always find some thanks to the aincents!!!

DIngChavez
January 25th, 2005, 12:56 PM
*Wonders why Anubis wanted Teal'c+Jaffa to take Ta'kara............*

chodu82
January 25th, 2005, 12:57 PM
wat is the weapon for to delete life in universe????

DIngChavez
January 25th, 2005, 12:59 PM
wat is the weapon for to delete life in universe????

Yeah, it sounds a bit Haloish :D

chodu82
January 25th, 2005, 01:01 PM
hopefully it will be used to destroy the replicators.

DIngChavez
January 25th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Teal'c = Master Chief
Gou'ald = Covenant
Ancient = Forerunners
Replicators = Flood
Ta'kara = Halo

Erik Bloodaxe
January 25th, 2005, 01:09 PM
That was wonderfull, great to see everything coming to a head. This whole arc is going to continue for another 2 weeks through reckoning part 2 and threads. Very exciting.

Gav

Well, actually it's been claimed that everything from Reckoning to the finale is supposed to be part of the same long arc. :)

-Bloodaxe

airfro
January 25th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Teal'c = Master Chief
Gou'ald = Covenant
Ancient = Forerunners
Replicators = Flood
Ta'kara = Halo

gouald as burns yes but t as master chief no.
master chief as good in general yes, o and the arbiter

anyway anyone got spoilers for next ep

*Crash*
January 25th, 2005, 01:13 PM
*Wonders why Anubis wanted Teal'c+Jaffa to take Ta'kara............*

He said he wanted them there so he could destroy the rebelion (due to they have used the majority of everything) while at the same time erradicate the replicators (and everyone else) via the weapon

Anubis/Baal could not really get around due to them getting destroyed by the replicators

Anubis
January 25th, 2005, 01:20 PM
WOW! I really enjoyed this episode, a lot. So much. So many questions left open. ;)


Will Teal'c/rebellion survive?
What of Replicarter?
What of Daniel?
What of Thor? (the list goes on)


I must admit -- I was shocked to see Ba'al working for Anubis at this point .. very surprised indeed, though he is still working against him if Jack decides to help out. ;) Go Jack!

A weapon this powerful against Replicarter will be good, but I think it will be destroyed, or perhaps the Replicaters will be wiped out along with Anubis. :)

They KILLED Yu. Of all people, Yu. Stupid Replicarter with that stupid, extra-long hand-knife. :P

Watters87
January 25th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Excellent episode. Was a bit surprised to see Baal working for Anubis. Always nice to see Thor and he better not die. :( The last scene cracked me up with Walter trying to make small talk with Baal. :D I think the man beside Walter at the end was Martin Wood. :S

Erik Bloodaxe
January 25th, 2005, 01:22 PM
That was... spectacular...

A quick rundown of the wowness factor:
- Replicarter takes over the System Lords' space station, killing Yu.
- Rebel Jaffa have control of several Ha'taks
- Rak'nor may be dead
- Daniel kidnapped by Replicarter
- Replicators launching full assault against the Goa'uld
- Thor and Sam trying to counter the Replicators' defence
- Baal trying to get help from Jack
- Rebel Jaffa take holy temple on Takara
- Baal serving under Anubis
- Replicarter posing as Oma Desala
- Giant Ancient weapon on Takara
- Isaac friggin Hayes!
- Replicarter getting caught out by "If the candle light is fire..."
- Walter trying to make small talk with Baal
- Kull Warriors!
- Jack finding out Anubis is in charge
- Jack dismissing Baal's pleas
- Thor going on a suicide mission (he better survive)
- Anubis changing hosts

I could go on. Suffice to say, I now worship Damian Kindler :P This was one of the best eps of all time and I am completely screwed for the next week waiting for Part 2 of this and The Siege...

Holy crap, I can't wait for this episode! :eek:

-Bloodaxe

Crazedwraith
January 25th, 2005, 01:22 PM
*Wonders why Anubis wanted Teal'c+Jaffa to take Ta'kara............*

: Why did Emperor Palpatine let the rebels know of the second death star? So he could wipe them out.

Did anyone notice the pronounced similaritys between RotJ and the Ta'kara assault? Suicide mission? Had to be done? Needed the entire Rebel Fleet?

Which leads me to just one gripe with this episode: REBEL FLEET?!?!? Thanks for setting that one up guys, didn't come out of the blue at all....

DIngChavez
January 25th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Yeah, but if Anubis is going to use the weapon to wipe out everybody, why should he care about the Rebels?

G0t3nks
January 25th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Are all the system lords dead? and even if it is all over and the goa'uld survive they will be alot weaker then before :cool:

Dani347
January 25th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Daniel at first, but was a tad disappointed when no one was at all vexed
that the Replicators had him - like Jack's reaction to the news was like DJ had just popped out for a paper and a pint of milk!! with no further reference to him for the rest of the ep as to what his plight might be at the hands of ol' Replicarter. Jack did fret about Teal'c though, so that was cool.



Yeah, real cool that Jack apparently can only spare concern for one teammate. And, apparently everyone followed his example? I'm feeling the warm fuzzies all over. :rolleyes:

Teal'c
January 25th, 2005, 02:09 PM
: Why did Emperor Palpatine let the rebels know of the second death star? So he could wipe them out.

Did anyone notice the pronounced similaritys between RotJ and the Ta'kara assault? Suicide mission? Had to be done? Needed the entire Rebel Fleet?

Which leads me to just one gripe with this episode: REBEL FLEET?!?!? Thanks for setting that one up guys, didn't come out of the blue at all....
Well, it was 3 ships... out of hundreds controlled by the Goa'uld. Quite plausable that the rebel Jaffa were able to capture some ships.

Anubis may only use the weapon as a backup. "If I can't rule it all then I'll destroy it all." Thus, he cares about putting down the rebellion, if he plans to take out the Replicators and rule over the entire galaxy.

Also, maybe he just plans to destroy the galaxy anyway, but caring about the rebels is a front so he can remain in command of Baal's domain.

Albion
January 25th, 2005, 02:16 PM
Did anyone notice the officer standing next to walter when he and siler were "talking" to Baal? Im pretty sure he was wearing an F-302 uniform as i spotted its distinctive uniform. I'll try and get a picture tomorrow. From what i can remember the officer had black hair. Could this be Lt. Col. M.M? Maybe he was visiting the base but O'neill obviously had more pressing matters so left him in the capable hands of siler or walter. Maybe i am jumping to conclusions.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it was a cameo by Martin Wood. Could be wrong, but definitely that was my first thought. Looked like him.

Well, I really enjoyed this one. Almost every scene had something in it to love. Great action, team, recurring characters...wonderful.
Some memorable quotes:

Daniel: Teal'c, the odds don't favour us.
Teal'c (who had been worried up till this point, but now relaxes and smiles) They never do, Daniel Jackson

Jacob: My relations with the council are still strained
Jack: They won't improve if you keep stealing things. [Jacob gives him The Look] Hey, not complaining. I'll take anything you can get us. Weapons...receivers...silverware...

Jack: Sorry to keep you waiting. I was just finishing up a lovely brunch.
Ba'al: Impudence.
Jack: No. Tuna.

I loved the easy familiarity that Thor's relationship with SG1 has taken on. As epitomised by Carter's casual wave and 'Hi, Thor' when he beamed her up to the ship. Walter was hilarious as usual both in the scene where he's interrupted in telling Jack Thor's ready and in trying to engage Ba'al in polite chitchat when he's fuming on the ramp as Jack keeps him waiting. LOL. Once again, AT was wonderfully menacing as RepliCarter. I didn't guess it wasn't Oma - nice twist.

And one of my favourite moments has to be Thor beaming Carter into Jack's office, leaving her running headlong for Jack's desk before she manages to stop herself. Jack's reaction to her suddenly appearing was hilarious.

Enjoyed the little reference to Mobius:

Jack: Unless...you're going to suggest we use the time ship to go back and change it?
Carter: No. We agreed we wouldn't do that. We have no idea if it would just make things worse.

Har! :D

In fact, the only thing which I didn't enjoy was Isaac Hayes, whose method of delivering dialogue was vastly irritating, with all those inappropriate pauses in entirely the wrong places. Hope he's not in much of part two.

Oh and not something I disliked, but that just sounded odd to me was Ba'al being referred to as the 'Supreme Commander' of the Goa'uld. Sounded too Star Wars really. Just hit my ear oddly.

Sure I've missed out a ton of great stuff and dialogue that I'll remember later, but summary - this was one cool episode. Can't wait till the conclusion.

Albion :)

Motorfrog
January 25th, 2005, 02:23 PM
That was an absolutely storming episode. Sam handling the fallout from Gemini. Daniel captured and probed by Replicarter. Baal asking Jack for help and getting turned down.

The fact that the 'Ultimate Ancient Weapon' just happens to be in the temple that Teal'c and the rebel Jaffa needed to capture to secure their rebellion was a little convenient but that was my only real complaint

Can't wait for next week.

jantreeuk1
January 25th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was a cameo by Martin Wood. Could be wrong, but definitely that was my first thought. Looked like him.

:)


I agree I thought it was Martin Wood too.

Lunar
January 25th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Hmm. I think I'm in a minority here when I say, this episode was a little bland for me. It was obviously a big set up for part II, but I didn't like the way Jack was written from start to finish. Jack became my favourite character for his snarky humour, but the constant stream of one liners is actually starting to grate a little ( :eek: )
I thought his reaction to Ba'al in particular was really out of character. A lot have people have commented on it, saying his ridiculousness was 'revenge' for the times Ba'al killed him and resurrected him in Abyss. Is this really the Jack we know? I would have expected much more anger, agression. Not this cheeky banter! O'Neill is an experienced commanding officer. I don't think he'd waste so much time acting the fool when dealing with a potential threat to the planet.
It just didn't seem to fit, for me.
I was really *really* hoping to get some more of the Daniel/Oma stuff... memories of the time he was ascended etc. Nevermind, maybe more for next time. And Threads. :)

Ajayrious
January 25th, 2005, 02:43 PM
Oh and not something I disliked, but that just sounded odd to me was Ba'al being referred to as the 'Supreme Commander' of the Goa'uld. Sounded too Star Wars really. Just hit my ear oddly.

Albion :)

I thought it was a reference to Ra myself, wasnt he the supreme system lord :S

Wass
January 25th, 2005, 02:44 PM
A weapon this powerful against Replicarter will be good, but I think it will be destroyed, or perhaps the Replicaters will be wiped out along with Anubis. :)

I disagree according to spoilers I have read for “Threads” Anubis will try to use the ancients weapon to destroy all life in MW

Osiris
January 25th, 2005, 03:40 PM
I thought it was a reference to Ra myself, wasnt he the supreme system lord :S

Right.
But for some fans, it seems that every episodes have their star trek or star wars references... :rolleyes: For Anubis sake, give us a break! :p :D

the dancer of spaz
January 25th, 2005, 05:31 PM
This episode sounds absolutely awesome (as they all have), and nothing will change my mind about it until I see it in Feb or Mar or November or whatever... *kicks SciFi Channel* And now, because of my own idiocy, I can add this to the list of Amazing Eps That Are Now Sufficiently SPOILED... :P

Egad, somebody PLEASE stop me from reading Moebius spoilers! Please? Consider it your civic duty or something... :D

Albion
January 25th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Right.
But for some fans, it seems that every episodes have their star trek or star wars references... For Anubis sake, give us a break!

Actually, I'm not usually one to see Star Wars/Trek references. I missed all of the supposed ones in Fallen/Homecoming for example. :p So, please, save your slaps on the wrists for someone else. ;)


I thought it was a reference to Ra myself, wasnt he the supreme system lord

Um...yes...that was rather my point. Did my previous post say that SSL sounded odd? Er...no. If you read it more carefully you'll see it says Supreme Commander sounded odd. Supreme System Lord sounds right. Supreme Commander in respect of referring to Goa'ulds does not. At least not for me. <shrug> Trust me though, this wasn't a big deal. Just a small observation.

Oh, memorable quotes I forgot last time around:

Carter: I know we're just observers. But this observer can't help observing that if you attack Amaterasu's mothership without backup you'll be killed.
Daniel: Us observers too.

and

Jack: I'm sorry! You said we have a problem. Not a big intergalactic emergency!


I thought his reaction to Ba'al in particular was really out of character. A lot have people have commented on it, saying his ridiculousness was 'revenge' for the times Ba'al killed him and resurrected him in Abyss. Is this really the Jack we know? I would have expected much more anger, agression. Not this cheeky banter!

Initially, this did make me wonder too. When he did it in Zero Hour. But I think I can see where he's coming from. The best way to deflate the bogeyman, make him impotent, unable to have any power over you, is to laugh at him. Show him you have no respect for him and don't care what he does, says or thinks.

I think the fact that Jack deals in this way with Ba'al, rather than using anger or aggression, shows just how deeply scarred he was by Ba'al and his torture. And how much of Jack's personal bogeyman Ba'al has become. That he feels the need to reduce Ba'al's power over him by showing him he's nothing but a joke to him. That he can't take him seriously at all. So in the end, for me, Jack's reactions to Ba'al gives me even more of a sense of how badly damaged Jack was by his experiences in Abyss and is much more of a poignant reaction than anger would be.

Ba'al: You cannot be serious
Jack: Yes, I can. I just don't choose to be. Some of the time.

Albion :)

Token
January 25th, 2005, 07:34 PM
I enjoyed this episode tremendously! Wow! TPTB are sending us on a wild rollercoaster for the end of Season 8! Next week is going to be GOOD!! There have already been some great comments on the episode. I'm glad Carter's colossal mistake is still being addressed. Although, I wish people (Jack) would quit telling her it wasn't her fault. :rolleyes: She knows it was her fault. LOVED seeing Jacob!! Ba'al is my favorite Gou'ald! I was somewhat fearful of the Oma thing (been there; done that) and was glad for the twist. ;) Jack had some great one-liners going. Did anyone else catch Jack saying, "...little, grey bum"? :p I almost choked!! :D LOTS of Jack-isms!!

This is why I love Stargate....action, intrigue, humor, and that Round Spinny Thing!! :D

Avreana
January 25th, 2005, 08:00 PM
I have to admit that I had been losing faith in SG-1 lately. But this episode rocked my world! :D It is the first episode in a while where the credits came up and I thought "It's over already!?"

It is going to be a long wait for part deux.

Elwe Singollo
January 25th, 2005, 08:06 PM
I have to admit that I had been losing faith in SG-1 lately. But this episode rocked my world! :D It is the first episode in a while where the credits came up and I thought "It's over already!?"

It is going to be a long wait for part deux.I know what you mean by the "It's over already!?", i was so into the show, it didn't even seem like an hour!

One other thing i liked, was the amount of hectic things happening at once. Replicators invade the Goa'uld, the Jaffa Rebelion, the return of Anubis, and blah blah, made me all excited.

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
January 25th, 2005, 08:06 PM
Replicarter was so cool at the very beginning. I was like "Whoa! That's Replicarter! She's so friggin' cool! *squeel*" :D The whole episode had me on the edge of my seat! It was brilliant! And Anubis being back! What a surprise! And he was sooo scary too in Sokar's body (that was Sokar right? It was his planet. But shouldn't there be no moon seeing as how Ne'tu was destroyed?)
It was a little too convenient and cliche that the weapon is in Ta'kara where pretty much everyone if gonna be. That sort of made me roll my eyes...
Jack was a little too cheerful. It was great to see Thor and wasn't he uber brave? I love the little guy! And Walter! Yeay! I love Walter :D Trying to make smalltalk with Ba'al LMAO! It was nice to see Siler too. He's been missing for a while :D

I can't wait until next week! It's already killing me!

Madeleine
January 25th, 2005, 08:10 PM
I really enjoyed the Teal'c & Bratac stuff, and the Daniel stuff; and Jacob and Walter are always welcome. Sam & Thor were too technobabbly, and the replicators too Borgish ("they've adapted!"). Jack was a prat. I like his humour, but not at the expense of getting a crisis sorted out.

I'm nervous about next week - I really want the Jaffa to heroiclally hold their new planet and see off all-comers, but I suspect they'll heroically get pummelled :S.

Elwe Singollo
January 25th, 2005, 08:19 PM
I'm nervous about next week - I really want the Jaffa to heroiclally hold their new planet and see off all-comers, but I suspect they'll heroically get pummelled :S.Omg, i have the same exact feeling! But yah, nothing really comes our way (well maybe it does, rarely...) I was a bit bummed when Jacob was like saying the Jaffa Rebellion was already over, or something like that. :(

Erik Bloodaxe
January 25th, 2005, 08:37 PM
And he was sooo scary too in Sokar's body (that was Sokar right? It was his planet. But shouldn't there be no moon seeing as how Ne'tu was destroyed?)

Is that Sokar's planet? Well, if so, it could've had more than just the one moon. :)

-Bloodaxe

Red_Rabbit
January 25th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Great ep all around but my favorite part was at the end when you see Siler standing there waiting for Jack and you are just thinking he is waiting for him to answer some sort of question or something and it pans to Baal standing there that made me laugh so hard and it was just a perfect Jack moment, if we have even one of thoes in season 9 I will be happy.

insomniac8400
January 25th, 2005, 09:06 PM
This episode is by far the best episode of the season. My only guess as to why the ancients made a device to wipe out all life is that incase another wraith incident happened again. If the milkey way became overrun with an enemy like wraith they would be able to wipe it out easily rather than have to run away like they did from the wraith. It would seem since this weapon can kill replicators it must have a selection of which lifeform to kill. Because if it was a one button kills all weapon, then no life form could use it.
Attached a picture, its clearly not martin standing with O'Neill and walter at the end.

w1cket01
January 25th, 2005, 09:26 PM
Interesting T1000 moment at the beginning of the episode. Also I guess there are only 3 system lords left.

I thought it was a good episode. Hope it gets better with each episode.

IMForeman
January 25th, 2005, 09:27 PM
This ep had so much happen in it's 42 minutes. It's incedible. At first, I was like "did I miss something" but, that was quickly dismissed when I realized that the Replicators were just disrupting a classic SG-1 style plan, and throwing everything to hell. I'm still processing this, but oh, man...

-IMF

Bossman
January 25th, 2005, 11:38 PM
I loved this ep and I can't wait for Part 2. Just a minor complaint though: what is it with incredibly advanced races and weapons of total annihilation? I mean, why the hell would the Ancients build a weapon capable of killing every living being in the galaxy? And how would it affect the replicators, since they aren't technically alive in the first place ...

Alpha17X
January 25th, 2005, 11:40 PM
I think to the ancients it was probably more of a tool and they never thought of it as a weapon but as more of a tool. Or maybe it was intentionally a weapon. The ancients don't seem to care about the problems they cause though.

Viper1234
January 25th, 2005, 11:49 PM
Well, after the pages of 'uber-goodness', I'm gonna chime in on the other side. I love sg-1. I love atlantis. But in screenwriting there is an evil 'don't overdo it' thing that is sometimes referred to as: "Bernie the Explainer". Seemed like every other character was 'explaining quickly' as if people hadn't been following along. gods I hate that.
This didn't feel like drama. It felt like a hurry up, lets tie up all ze loose ends in one fell swoop....which of course is what is going on as season 9 has major cast changes and story changes........but I hate when it happens. The next 4 episodes I fear are going to feel like 'tie it up in a nice little bow'..............and of course with a title like 'moebius' we're back to ze future to 'fix' things.

Perhaps BSG has really spoiled me for a well written and amazingly acted show....but RDA's phonin' it in, and that makes it even harder to watch. sigh. Welp, hoping next week's conclusion doesn't feel like this reader's digest condensed version of things.

kashi
January 25th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Awesome episode. The first good episode in season 8. Perhaps the replicators were the plague that the ancients refer to.

Kagutsuchi Ryoma
January 26th, 2005, 12:07 AM
Awesome episode. The first good episode in season 8. Perhaps the replicators were the plague that the ancients refer to.

That wouldn't be possible because it was that girl who made the replicators, and she wasn't from the Pegesus galaxy at all.

susanmary_1
January 26th, 2005, 12:12 AM
I really enjoyed the episode but most upset that my favourite system lord and his pocket sized 1st Prime are probably gone forever (can't see the replicators leaving them alive).

You could see the seeds being laid for the remaining arc of the last few episodes of season eight.

Everytime I saw Walter in this episode I got flashbacks to Radar in Mash, just the resigned look on his face when Thor beamed Carter up before he could finish his sentence. He was so cute trying to make small talk with Baal. Loved the Tuna line from Jack. (it definitly looked like MW in the background during that scene)

I hope Jacob doesn't get into too much trouble, I wonder if Selmak was in full agreement with what he was doing! Jack/Jacob interactions are always good fun, " you said we had a problem, not a big intergalactic emercency"-

I must admit to a "Fer crying out loud Daniel, it's not Oma" moment as soon as she appeared, but the way he figured it out was just excellent.

I must say Season Eight is ending on a very strong note.

tara3583
January 26th, 2005, 12:18 AM
Had to watch this again as there was so much
going on! Fantastic first part, loved the
banter from Jack when talking to Ba'al i think
he was covering up his unease with Ba'al by
being over the top stupid but inside he was
thinking out his options very carefully and
clearly, nicely done by RDA.

Once again a nice job done by Amanda for RC
i really do hope we see more of her after
next week as she is so very cool, bad and a
whole lot more that i think needs to be shown!

Kagutsuchi Ryoma
January 26th, 2005, 12:27 AM
Had to watch this again as there was so much
going on! Fantastic first part, loved the
banter from Jack when talking to Ba'al i think
he was covering up his unease with Ba'al by
being over the top stupid but inside he was
thinking out his options very carefully and
clearly, nicely done by RDA.

Once again a nice job done by Amanda for RC
i really do hope we see more of her after
next week as she is so very cool, bad and a
whole lot more that i think needs to be shown!

Why is your text only reaching half the width of the posting box? It's like its in a column or something, kind of odd.

Anyways, I agree on the nice job kudos AT should get for playing RC, a true talent in acting. As well, it's good to see MS's voice talent isnt being wasted, as him playing the voice of Thor is always a refresher.

9-Chevron
January 26th, 2005, 12:30 AM
I loved this ep and I can't wait for Part 2. Just a minor complaint though: what is it with incredibly advanced races and weapons of total annihilation? I mean, why the hell would the Ancients build a weapon capable of killing every living being in the galaxy? And how would it affect the replicators, since they aren't technically alive in the first place ...


after find an enemy as the wraith who wouldnt? :eek:

If i were them I would probably have at least 3 of those , just in case one doesnt do the whole job :S

AlphaBlu
January 26th, 2005, 01:01 AM
Yu's dead.

Good.

Yu was one of my fav characters, but then the writers dropped the ball and turned him from an excellent 'grey area' badguy who sometimes helped us, sometimes hindered us into a bumbling old fool. The destruction of his character was almost as bad as Tannith's sudden, wasteful death.

That said, the episode was great! Lots of things all coming together at once. I sorta guessed it wasn't Oma, but I so did not see the whole Ba'al serving Anubis thing coming. That was a big surprise. Very cool.

Reckoning and Siege Part 2 next week. Can't wait.

BYE

Bossman
January 26th, 2005, 01:04 AM
after find an enemy as the wraith who wouldnt? :eek:

Maybe, but there's no indication that the weapon was built after the Ancients returned from Pegasus ...

shovar
January 26th, 2005, 02:32 AM
this is what i believe will happen in part 2
daniel will die and has to choose whether to ascend or not
i can't believe about the superweapon and the fact that anubis is back :eek:
bra'tac and teal'c won't die BUT most of the jaffa with them will die!
thor dies from the replicators on his ship
but with his final breath he found a way to kill the replicators and sends it to the SGC
i just wish that i didn't have to wait 6 more days untill the next episode!

shockwave
January 26th, 2005, 02:46 AM
a great ep, they make more eps like this :)

Blend
January 26th, 2005, 02:55 AM
Great ep, another great one from season 8 (which hasnt dissapointed me yet)

Everyones covered everything pretty well, nothing i can add yet.

chodu82
January 26th, 2005, 03:05 AM
thor cant die he needs to upgrade hyperdrives on daedelus. I think if replicater is destroyed the cypher will be broken and all replicators will be vunerable to the weapon again and destroyed.

chevroneight
January 26th, 2005, 03:31 AM
One word....


WOW!!!!!


The wait till next Tuesday is gonna kill me!!!

TheWarrior
January 26th, 2005, 03:52 AM
Did anyone notice the officer standing next to walter when he and siler were "talking" to Baal? Im pretty sure he was wearing an F-302 uniform as i spotted its distinctive uniform. I'll try and get a picture tomorrow. From what i can remember the officer had black hair. Could this be Lt. Col. M.M? Maybe he was visiting the base but O'neill obviously had more pressing matters so left him in the capable hands of siler or walter. Maybe i am jumping to conclusions.

It was Martin Wood in another of his camero roles. Also did anyone notice Peter DeLuise's role in the episode as a airmen holding his weapon on one of the gate activations.

This was an ace episode. So much was going on and it included loads of races. Goa'uld - Tokra - Asgard - Replicators - Jaffa and I know it wasn't Oma but Ancients could get included.

Loved Walter's small role again in this episode with Baal, I wondered why he was in the Gate Room with Siler, he should be in the control room. Must have wanted a chance to be snarky to a Goa'uld.

I don't think Baal likes working for Anubis, I mean I think he'll want Anubis dead and I don't think Baal has been working for Anubis for a long time as in New Order the System Lords said Baal found the planet etc.

Can't wait for next week - so much happened this week and it involved the whole galaxy and all the main races. I can see how this all ties in with the next four episodes. Roll on next Tuesday.

tara3583
January 26th, 2005, 03:59 AM
Why is your text only reaching half the width of the posting box? It's like its in a column or something, kind of odd.

Anyways, I agree on the nice job kudos AT should get for playing RC, a true talent in acting. As well, it's good to see MS's voice talent isnt being wasted, as him playing the voice of Thor is always a refresher.


I use a tv digi-box to access Gateworld and i'm
having trouble with the text for some reason so
don't really know why:)
I do have new wide screen tv so maybe that is




doing something:)

tara3583
January 26th, 2005, 04:03 AM
I use a tv digi-box to access Gateworld and i'm
having trouble with the text for some reason so
don't really know why:)
I do have new wide screen tv so maybe that is




doing something:)

LOL not only is the text half the page i've also got a space.
I think i've got gremlins in my digi-box!

honzix
January 26th, 2005, 04:23 AM
This episode was so cool.Can´t wait for next week. I was just trying to figure out who the remaining system lords were, just at the begining of the episode. The man who was sitting on the right side-could it be Zipacna? He looked like him. And who was the Baal´s servant?Could it be Kali (from Summit/Last Stand)? Any ideas?

shovar
January 26th, 2005, 04:33 AM
i think Baal doesn't like being bossed around by Anubis which is why he went behind Anubis' back and told O'Neill about the Ancient's superweapon! but how did Baal find out? Also isn't Kali the goddess of blood and death in India? and from what religion is Baal a god in?

spacemonkey69
January 26th, 2005, 04:46 AM
hello! i'm really excited about this ep!!! will hopefully be seeing it in a day or two hehe
but im looking for a pic to keep me going while i wait! its been mentioned a few times, but i cant seem to find it:( its from tv zone magazine and of daniel encased in the repliblocks apparently! im really anxious to find this pic, so if anyone has it, or knows where it is, could you please help? it would be greatly appreciated! thanks! :D

mst
January 26th, 2005, 04:53 AM
what religion is Baal a god in?

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/b/baal.html

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 26th, 2005, 05:36 AM
Another week, another top episode from Stargate. :)

Terrific opening scene. RepSam updating the Sys Lords on her promotion was a fun nod to Real Sam with Aris Boch. :p

Poor Yu; He looked hopeful, behind that superior demeanor, that Carter was going to help him out. Instead she carved him up. :eek:

Gary Jones was great in this ep, playing the harried Harriman. :p

I was worried for a while that the Asgard deus ex machina would ruin the drama, but, no, it just heightened the danger, upped the stakes. Their failure put me in mind of the Borg, assimilating and recalibrating on the spot.

It was nice to see that thieving Jacob, again. Next time bring silverware, Jake! A nice little Tok'Ra commerative naquadah spoon, maybe. :p :p :p

Wonderful to see Sam and Daniel interacting, again, even if it was eeevil Sam.

And now I'm really, really worried about Thor.

And does anyone else have the feeling that Rep Carter's days are numbered? The greatest threat to the universe will likey be destroyed and the whole replicator business wrapped up at Takara. :(

Okay, now I'm off to read what everyone else saw in the ep. :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 26th, 2005, 05:39 AM
Thor had better survive
Teal'c will survive
Daniel will survive
Nobody will get the weapon
I will be hit by a bus before next Tuesday, given my luck :P

No worries, Teal'c; you can get tv in hospital rooms. :p :p :p

aAnubiSs
January 26th, 2005, 05:44 AM
Aaah, this is the way all episodes should be, tied into a storyarc. This is what all episodes could be like if TPTB decided to write all episodes following a storyline and making small steps instead of leaping two billion miles in one episode(Rebel Fleet, Replicators taking over the galaxy).

Most of all I think they'd need a budget increase, something they should be given seeing that SG1 has been popular, and continues to be so, for several years.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 26th, 2005, 06:02 AM
And Anubis being back! What a surprise! And he was sooo scary too in Sokar's body (that was Sokar right? It was his planet. But shouldn't there be no moon seeing as how Ne'tu was destroyed?)


I don't think it was Sokar. The host was simply being eaten up by the radiation from Anubis' energy. It is more than likely that Anubis has had dozens of hosts since he was in that Russian guy on Planet Popsicle. The cape is probably a shield of some kind. Can't have radiation leaks on a ship, eh? :p

BTW, I loved the expression :rolleyes: on Baal's face when he turned away from Anubis. Baal knows that Nuby is just as fallible as he is.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 26th, 2005, 06:16 AM
what is it with incredibly advanced races and weapons of total annihilation? I mean, why the hell would the Ancients build a weapon capable of killing every living being in the galaxy? And how would it affect the replicators, since they aren't technically alive in the first place ...

The Evil Overlord manual hadn't been written yet? :p

No, seriously, I doubt the Ancients built a doomsday device specifically. Who knows, it may be the device that allows for Ascension.

Anubis may have used it to ascend the first time, but can't use it himself anymore because the Ancients did something to him so that he can't interface with it, even with his host.

He may, however, know that, like the naquadah generator, if you overload the ascension device(assuming that's what it is) that it'll make a Big Bang to rival the first Big Bang.

aAnubiSs
January 26th, 2005, 06:21 AM
Or maybe it was their way to wipe out the plauge and then reseeding the whole galaxy without the plauge. Obviously they probably could reseed life in their current state, but uninfected.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 26th, 2005, 06:29 AM
Or maybe it was their way to wipe out the plauge and then reseeding the whole galaxy without the plauge. Obviously they probably could reseed life in their current state, but uninfected.

<nods> Or that. :)

Ancients Rising
January 26th, 2005, 06:34 AM
A lot of posturing in this episode and not to much “action”, some of the cuts were rather randomised. I think they’re saving all of good stuff for later with Reckoning II, Threads and Moebius.

SG-1 still has an odd feel this season :S

However, this was a great episode, a bit like New Order, the pace of the story got quicker over the whole episode and certain bombshells were indeed bombshells!

Best SG-1 S8 episode since New Order II, left a huge job for SGA in order to top it and SGA did top it; Before I Sleep was sensational :D

Now the deal with advanced races and apocalyptic “weapons”…

All comes down to the power sources they utilise, the more advanced you are the more power you can harness. More power = more energy = more big bangs.

I don’t think the device capable of killing the Reps and all life is indeed a weapon at all. Taken from Threads Anubis intends to use the device used by the Ancients, to restore the galaxy to the way it was before a great plague wiped all life out, (Plague = Reps? Matrix style repetition of events?) to wipe out all life and re-create it in his own vision.

I’m guessing the device Replicarter was talking about is the same one referred to in Threads

Stargate Agent
January 26th, 2005, 07:17 AM
It is good to see that we are getting some more off world conflicts now the last 5 episodes haven't been very interesting in relating to the major conflict that SG-1 has.

Still feels weird that Jack sits around SGC and doesn't go offworld just doesn't feel right. He is getting too cheeky tho too.

Still glad to see Stargate coming around for the end of season 8. This season has been a low point in the series...

keppiezbt
January 26th, 2005, 07:29 AM
Awesome episode. The first good episode in season 8. Perhaps the replicators were the plague that the ancients refer to.

it was made clear that the replicators were found in a different galaxy by the asgard. the plague was in MW

keppiezbt
January 26th, 2005, 07:35 AM
spoilers- highlight to read

well according to the spoilers for threads, daniel has to choose to ascend and anubis, who oma helped ascend, has the ancient weapon that seeded life in the galazy which he iss going to reverse to destroy life in the galaxy.

so i think what happens inpt 2 is anubis gets the weapon and daniel dies leading the climatic 90 minute threads episode where it is daniel vs. anbuis. or one can dream.. but it does lead to threads.

Crazedwraith
January 26th, 2005, 07:39 AM
I don't think that planet was supposed to be Delmak, it should be unusable after we smacked that Ha'tak into it at incredible high velocity.

It was just a similarly industrilised planet.

Elwe Singollo
January 26th, 2005, 07:58 AM
Still glad to see Stargate coming around for the end of season 8. This season has been a low point in the series...Wow your one of the few, who didn't think 7th season was the worst then. :rolleyes:

Jeff O'Connor
January 26th, 2005, 08:10 AM
I've got two things to say to above poster. :D

First Comment: Cloud and Aerith, Cloud and Aerith, Cloud and Aerith... why!? She's D -- er... who knows if that's considered a spoiler here... Well she's not all there! Oye... where is the love for Tifa. Where. Where!?! :rolleyes:

Second Comment: I thought Season Six was the worst. No Daniel. You can't have a good Jack Daniels without half the ingredients.

Kalinda
January 26th, 2005, 08:36 AM
Wow... It was great, surpassed my expectations =)

- RepliCarter is cool as always
- I loved the exchanges between Jack and Baal and how Baal decided to come back and help Jack in the end - liked when Walter was standing there kinda "talking" to Baal while waiting for Jack hehe
- Baal being an underling of Anubis caught me by surprise
- Anubis getting a host was pretty cool
- All the twists, like everyone on their way back to the temple while Teal'c and Bra'tac are there! :eek:
- The whole thing with Daniel was cool, I do wonder how he's going to get away >_<

I must say I'm also so looking forward to Threads as I finally learned what it was about.. but I won't say anything hehe.. all you spoiler lovers probly already know exactly what happens O_O

I can hardly wait for part 2 to see how everything turns out! :)

the dancer of spaz
January 26th, 2005, 09:06 AM
spoilers- highlight to read

well according to the spoilers for threads, daniel has to choose to ascend and anubis, who oma helped ascend, has the ancient weapon that seeded life in the galazy which he iss going to reverse to destroy life in the galaxy.

so i think what happens inpt 2 is anubis gets the weapon and daniel dies leading the climatic 90 minute threads episode where it is daniel vs. anbuis. or one can dream.. but it does lead to threads.

See, that seems TOTALLY possible! And what worries me is the fact that, during Threads...


There's supposed to be all of this shiptastic goodness between Sam and Jack... However, I don't think I'll be able to properly enjoy it if it's clear that Daniel's been gone, and they're worried about their relationships with their Sig O's.

So I hope they don't go that route, a little... :P

alz0rz
January 26th, 2005, 09:07 AM
Wow.

Dana_Jeanne
January 26th, 2005, 09:10 AM
I liked it. I have two niggles though, that I'll get off my chest now.

I have pretty much had it up to my eyebrows with RDA's portrayal of the cosmic giddiness that is Jack. His reactions to things are completely inappropriate, from his lack of immediately noticing that three not four came through the gate to his comments to Bra'tac and everyone else. He's Not Funny. I've never missed Hammond as much as I did during this episode.

Carter. Women do NOT need to be constantly reassured that they're doing a good job (or not). A women that is supposed to be as strong as Carter would NOT be going to her boss and whining for a pat on the head. We're not that weak and needy. Quite the opposite, in fact. In order for her to have made it as far as she has, she must have enough self-confidence to do her job and she has to trust herself. Constantly questioning what she's doing--and doing so to the man who promoted her--has to raise questions in HIS mind as to whether he did the correct thing.

I find the Jaffa boring, so will just simply skip most of that.

I think this is setting up the rest of the series really well.

I've always felt Teal'c was single-minded when it came to the Jaffa Rebellion, so seeing him acting thus in this episode didn't come as a surprise to me. Earth--and SG-1--have Teal'c's loyalty only to the point where it begins to conflict with "his" rebellion. That's been shown in earlier episodes such as Crossroads, The Warrior, and...was it Sacrifices (Ryac Gets Married). Points to Damien for continuing this. While before Teal'c was willing to do anything at this risk of his life, in this episode he's gotten to the point where he's also risking Daniel and Sam-- and in fact, it's more Teal'c's fault that Daniel is abducted than it is Sam's.

JACOB was wonderful, as always, and I have to agree with his "What the hell was that?" type comment to Jack after Ba'al left the first time.

Michael didn't talk as fast in this one--whooray!-- and he slowed Thor's voice back to normal, too. I thought it was pure Daniel when he asked Replicarter what she wanted to know-- Let's talk about it <G>. Only Daniel would think about trying to out-talk a machine. It was interesting that RC tried to trick Daniel into giving her the information about the planet and the weapon, rather than trying to torture it out of him. Definitely Sam's influence there. Very well done scenes between the two (and with Oma, three) of them.

What else. Oh-- I liked Carter in this one (except for the bit I mentioned in the beginnning). She did a good job with both parts-- better than in Gemini.

All three parts of the story fit together really well-- Damien did a good job.

Note to Sci Fi (or the costuming dept): NO MORE SLEEVELESS SHIRTS and NO MORE TIGHT SHIRTS. They really aren't that attractive on anybody.

I have to say: I sincerely hope the writers aren't making Col MM into a Jack clone and putting Jack's lamentable "Sense of humour" into his mouth. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for someone who has an air of seriousness about him.

Nightspore
January 26th, 2005, 09:55 AM
I liked it. I have two niggles though, that I'll get off my chest now.

I have pretty much had it up to my eyebrows with RDA's portrayal of the cosmic giddiness that is Jack. It's gotten to the point where I'd like to lock the door after him as he leaves the show, simply to make sure that he doesn't get back in. His reactions to things are completely inappropriate, from his lack of immediately noticing that three not four came through the gate to his comments to Bra'tac and everyone else. He's Not Funny.

Oh dear, if you lock the door after RDA leaves to make sure he won't get back in, I'll be there, along with many others, I am sure, to unlock that door. I think he quite funny, endearing, charming, wonderful, loveable (not to mention gorgeous) and I hope he will return for a few episodes in S9. Both Jack and RDA. ;-)

Perhaps the writers had something to do with the fact that Jack didn't immediately notice that three not four came through the Gate. Perhaps the writers are responsible for his comments to Bra'tac and everyone else. Just a thought.

Ali888
January 26th, 2005, 10:02 AM
Perhaps the writers had something to do with the fact that Jack didn't immediately notice that three not four came through the Gate. Perhaps the writers are responsible for his comments to Bra'tac and everyone else. Just a thought.

So we'll have to lock the writers out then.

Ali P

Dana_Jeanne
January 26th, 2005, 11:02 AM
Oh dear, if you lock the door after RDA leaves to make sure he won't get back in, I'll be there, along with many others, I am sure, to unlock that door. I think he quite funny, endearing, charming, wonderful, loveable (not to mention gorgeous) and I hope he will return for a few episodes in S9. Both Jack and RDA. ;-)

Perhaps the writers had something to do with the fact that Jack didn't immediately notice that three not four came through the Gate. Perhaps the writers are responsible for his comments to Bra'tac and everyone else. Just a thought.

I'm sorry, but if RDA hadn't said So Many Times that it was his idea to "dumb Jack down" and if the writers and his fellow actors hadn't said So Many Times, that RDA both adlibs his lines and does what he wants because He Is The Boss, then I would gladly throw all the inane comments that come out of Jack's mouth directly into the writers' laps.

I too, think RDA and Jack are gorgeous--all men should be so hot in their 50's. I used to love the Jack and Daniel Friendship Duo-- back when Jack acted like he CARED for his team members and actually had a serious bone in his body.

It's one thing to act the way he does as a Col; but in my opinion, Jack makes a lousy general, and I'd go AWOL before I followed him into battle now.

I do apologise to the Jack fans who were not happy with my comment about locking the door behind him-- that was insensitive of me, and I know better than that. I'll go back and edit that portion.

Dana Jeanne

Terok
January 26th, 2005, 11:08 AM
Great episode, definitely the best this season (so far).

Thought Replicarter being brought in front of the system lords and killing Yu was a great way to introduce the Replicator/Goa'uld conflict at the start of the ep. Amanda Tapping did a fab job as Replicarter, she's just so evil.

Anubis is back :) but just why is Baal apparently serving under him. Loved Jack's exchanges with Baal, and also Walter's attempt to make conversation with Baal when he was annoyed about being made to wait by Jack lol

So much other great stuff as well with Daniel and Replicarter, the jaffa rebellion, and I hope Thor's going to be OK. Can't wait for part two next week.

jst1986
January 26th, 2005, 11:20 AM
I liked this episode, but I am trying to keep in mind that it is a two-parter, and a more serious tone (I hope) may be taken in Part II, balancing out the episode (and Jack), much like Heroes.

AJMouse
January 26th, 2005, 11:46 AM
Hmm this is kinda offtopic maybe, but is lord Ba'al the same actor as the evil guy now in Charmed?

Ugly Pig
January 26th, 2005, 11:47 AM
Heeeeeeeeeeeere's


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Reckoning'

Holy crap.

Just as I start to think "SG-1 isn't what it used to be", then this comes along. What can I say? I know this was only the first half, but I was completely blown away. Seriously. Finally, here's the stuff I really want to see, and plenty of it. There's so much going on in 'Reckoning' that it could probably have been stretched out over half the season and every episode would still be a good one.

Random observations!
- Yu is dead!
- We see the space station from 'Summit' again. Cool.
- Ba'al is taking orders from Anubis now!?
- And Ba'al is betraying him... by going to the SGC for help against him, no less! (And Jack probably has no choice but to agree to help him if he doesn't want all life in the galaxy destroyed!)
- Did I mention that all life in the galaxy may get destroyed?!

I'll probably have a lot more to say after seeing part two next week, but for now:

Holy crap.


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Crazedwraith
January 26th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Bra'tac was wonderful, as always, and I have to agree with his "What the hell was that?" type comment to Jack after Ba'al left the first time.

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Thats was Jacob Carter/Selmak. Bra'tac is the bearded Jaffa that hung with Teal'c through out.

Elite Anubis Guard
January 26th, 2005, 12:21 PM
well this was one hell of an episodes, it was great seeing anubis and the revelation about him being in control of bool all the time, but it did piss me off with Yu biting the dust, especially in such a lame way.

I was pissed about not seeing a space battle between the replicator ship and the goa'uld and not seeing on the battles on the planet, holding out on us, shame on them.

It was full of classic jack humour and when Walter was talking to Bo'ol priceless, and the score was excellent especially the track for the replicator ship!

*Crash*
January 26th, 2005, 12:28 PM
I wanna see the Kull warriors Battle it out with the replicators

As it says the Kull are bettin beaten, but is it Hand to Hand (In Ship?) or Ship Vs Ship?

Dana_Jeanne
January 26th, 2005, 12:34 PM
OYE! Yes-- Jacob. Thank you <G> I knew that, my fingers were apparently going off on a tangent somehow!
Dana Jeanne

Carole
January 26th, 2005, 12:46 PM
Hmm. I think I'm in a minority here when I say, this episode was a little bland for me. It was obviously a big set up for part II, but I didn't like the way Jack was written from start to finish. Jack became my favourite character for his snarky humour, but the constant stream of one liners is actually starting to grate a little ( :eek: )
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I think you and I must have been watching a different episode to the rest of the forum. Jack was far to glib and what has happened to his compassion? "when is Daniel" "taken by the Replicators", "oh, OK" end of story. What! When did he stop caring for people under his command?

As for the rest of it. I think I am going to treat from the Reckoning though to Mobius II as a serial and watch them together. That way I think I will enjoy them more.

Carole

THE BIG UNIT
January 26th, 2005, 01:10 PM
WOW
what an excellent episode. Replicarter is just so evil. Baal in the service of anubis surprised me big time, although i think Baal will betray him eventually. The opener of Replicarter being "Captured" and then killing Goa'uld is something i really hoped they would do. Excellent on all fronts.

DarkQuee1
January 26th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Initially, this did make me wonder too. When he did it in Zero Hour. But I think I can see where he's coming from. The best way to deflate the bogeyman, make him impotent, unable to have any power over you, is to laugh at him. Show him you have no respect for him and don't care what he does, says or thinks.

I think the fact that Jack deals in this way with Ba'al, rather than using anger or aggression, shows just how deeply scarred he was by Ba'al and his torture. And how much of Jack's personal bogeyman Ba'al has become. That he feels the need to reduce Ba'al's power over him by showing him he's nothing but a joke to him. That he can't take him seriously at all. So in the end, for me, Jack's reactions to Ba'al gives me even more of a sense of how badly damaged Jack was by his experiences in Abyss and is much more of a poignant reaction than anger would be.

Ba'al: You cannot be serious
Jack: Yes, I can. I just don't choose to be. Some of the time.

Albion :)


ITA. This is the way I feel about it as well. Ba'al has to loom large in Jack's psyche, and he is doing everything he can to diminish the spectre. In addition, we know that Jack typically denies that he has a problem with something and tends to push it away; his behavior is also partly that, IMO.

Plus, I think that Jack is afraid to give full range to his fury at Ba'al. I have to believe that it is as much beyond "angry" as a nuke is beyond a firecracker. I suspect that if he ever let it out, there would be no controlling it.


J.

Sha're
January 26th, 2005, 01:25 PM
:) Yes excellent episode. Poor Yu though - I liked him ;) And Baal - the more of him we see the better! So many foes, how's it all gonna come to a head......
Can't wait for next week

Ace
January 26th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Maybe somebody can explain this to me...as I'm a little lost! The Ancient superweapon can destroy all life in the galaxy, who knows what it's true purpose is, but it can destroy all life in the galaxy nonetheless. So how can it destroy the Replicators? They are machines, and the human ones are nano-machines?

If they stated it, I'd love to hear it. Also if anybody has any suggestions, I'd love to hear those as well. I personally just can't think of a good reason as to why it would affect machines and life at the same time. Though for some reason it wouldn't affect those that are ascended...

Ace

Teal'c
January 26th, 2005, 02:13 PM
Maybe somebody can explain this to me...as I'm a little lost! The Ancient superweapon can destroy all life in the galaxy, who knows what it's true purpose is, but it can destroy all life in the galaxy nonetheless. So how can it destroy the Replicators? They are machines, and the human ones are nano-machines?

If they stated it, I'd love to hear it. Also if anybody has any suggestions, I'd love to hear those as well. I personally just can't think of a good reason as to why it would affect machines and life at the same time. Though for some reason it wouldn't affect those that are ascended...

Ace
You could always wait until next week to find out :P

AlphaBlu
January 26th, 2005, 02:19 PM
I agree with the notion that Jack laughs at Ba'al because it's his only defence against him. Jack suffered quite a lot at Ba'al's hands, and there's no way that he's just "gotten over that".

BYE

alaskannut
January 26th, 2005, 02:27 PM
Maybe somebody can explain this to me...as I'm a little lost! The Ancient superweapon can destroy all life in the galaxy, who knows what it's true purpose is, but it can destroy all life in the galaxy nonetheless. So how can it destroy the Replicators? They are machines, and the human ones are nano-machines?

If they stated it, I'd love to hear it. Also if anybody has any suggestions, I'd love to hear those as well. I personally just can't think of a good reason as to why it would affect machines and life at the same time. Though for some reason it wouldn't affect those that are ascended...

Ace
I imagine its either a gigantic ZPM bomb :eek: or some sort of energy weapon ala Halo, only tuneable==hit one switch, you destoy all organic life, hit another one, you destroy all electronic life, hit the third (from the spoilers for Threads anyway) life is recreated.......hit the fourth and you make a nice, big bowl of popcorn :p

Mike
January 26th, 2005, 02:42 PM
Holy crap, what an episode!

The end foreshadowed the events of the next episode so well. I love how everyone will meet up--the Jaffa Resistance, Goa'uld, and now the Replicators.

It's going to be a great episode, the 2nd part.

Matt G
January 26th, 2005, 02:54 PM
OK...

1. It didn't take me long to work out that it was Replicarter at the System Lord meet but I didn't expect her to take out Yu!

2. TPTB managed to avoid the trap that I wasn't dead cert they weren't going to fall into. Namely: 'Why the hell should the SGC take sides in a Goa'uld vs Replicator war?' With the 'good guys' splitting forces like they did, that's a writing bullet dodged. Nice work guys.

3. Cool to see Jacob back and interesting to see that he's now semi-rogue and like Jack I'm not going to complain.

4. Smooth work by the Jaffa to take Takana - I just hope they brought beer and pizza for the blatently upcoming rumble over that planet - I suspect Ba'al's forces will soon have their hands full with the Reps so that they won't be worried about the Jaffa - Takana will probably be theirs for the forseeable future!

5. I was surprised that Ba'al was working for Anubis but my eyebrows hit the ceiling when Daniel came up with the solution to the 'candlelight has fire' riddle - outsmarting fake-Oma in the process. Nice one Dannyboy!

6. "Don't tell me" "Anubis" "I said DON'T tell me"

Overall, this ep dropped da bomb! :)

DetriusXii
January 26th, 2005, 03:32 PM
I haven't read the other replies. But I just wanted to post as soon as I finished watching. This episode conveyed the chaos quite well. We have all known active factions appearing in the episode. The Gould, Tokra, Jaffa resistance, replicators, Asgard & Anubis making appearances with the focal point being how to stop the replicators.

Although it's interesting how the Gould assigned the replicator name to their enemy so quickly.

Buzz Lightyear
January 26th, 2005, 04:00 PM
Plus, I think that Jack is afraid to give full range to his fury at Ba'al. I have to believe that it is as much beyond "angry" as a nuke is beyond a firecracker. I suspect that if he ever let it out, there would be no controlling it.

How would it benefit Jack for him to get all mad and emotional when confronting Baal? Who was it that said, "revenge is a dish best served cold"?

donnie_darko
January 26th, 2005, 04:14 PM
Maybe somebody can explain this to me...as I'm a little lost! The Ancient superweapon can destroy all life in the galaxy, who knows what it's true purpose is, but it can destroy all life in the galaxy nonetheless. So how can it destroy the Replicators? They are machines, and the human ones are nano-machines?

The Ancient super weapon might be able to isolate specific things in the galaxy and change it according to its programming. I don't know just wait till next week.

DarkQuee1
January 26th, 2005, 05:05 PM
How would it benefit Jack for him to get all mad and emotional when confronting Baal? Who was it that said, "revenge is a dish best served cold"?


Uh, that was my point. I think that Jack is taking the "belittling" approach to Ba'al, in part, because he doesn't want to let his anger out.


J.

Mike
January 26th, 2005, 05:23 PM
Although it's interesting how the Gould assigned the replicator name to their enemy so quickly.Keep in mind Anubis probed Thor's mind in season 5, he probably took the "replicator" name from there.

Ace
January 26th, 2005, 05:36 PM
The Ancient super weapon might be able to isolate specific things in the galaxy and change it according to its programming. I don't know just wait till next week.

I guess that's all we can do...I sure do hope that they explain it in Part 2. Otherwise I will be very confused :S

Ace

Buzz Lightyear
January 26th, 2005, 06:38 PM
Uh, that was my point. I think that Jack is taking the "belittling" approach to Ba'al, in part, because he doesn't want to let his anger out.

Well, the way your post is worded suggests you think Jack is struggling to keep his anger in check. I don't think he's really so angry at Baal anymore but rather satisfied at Baal's ultimate humiliation at having to beg the humans for help. After all, once you've been involved in destroying Anubis' fleet, why does he need to be angry? And with the Replicators decimating Baal's forces, there's even less need for anger. Rather, Jack would appear to be feeling quite happy, that is until Baal spoiled his cheery mood by mentioning Anubis. ;)

Madeleine
January 26th, 2005, 06:39 PM
I think that Jack is taking the "belittling" approach to Ba'al, in part, because he doesn't want to let his anger out.

I do hope that one day Jack *does* let it out. It would add a bit of texture to what we're currently getting on the Jack/baal front.

Blend
January 26th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Elliot, wrong thread.

DetriusXii
January 26th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Just rewatching the clip where Baal advises Anubis to pull back the ships instead of engaging the replicators. Since I don't recall Jabob advising Baal on this, I believe that this is proof that Baal is smarter than most system lords.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 26th, 2005, 07:01 PM
I agree with the notion that Jack laughs at Ba'al because it's his only defence against him. Jack suffered quite a lot at Ba'al's hands, and there's no way that he's just "gotten over that".

BYE

I agree. Jack was completely helpless in Baal's hands. Jack wants Baal to feel the same, now.

And, <shrugs> it's Jack as we've always known him.

Lt. Elliot
January 26th, 2005, 07:06 PM
So I watched “Reckoning, Part 1” today. I kinda wish it was all one episode though. So here I go!

Thing I Liked:
1. The whole concept that the Replicators are moving in, the Goa’uld are losing power (though we’ve fought for 7 ½ years and it isn’t our doing!), and the galaxy is in chaos.
2. Carter and Thor – like old times! Back to Small Victories, Season 4!!
3. JACOB/SELMAK! And Mel Harris! Yeah for returning characters! Thor and Ba’al and Replicartor!!
4. Ba’al’s faces when “Anubis” jumped bodies.
5. Thor’s ship in action!! Was that the Daniel Jackson I saw?
6. No more Yu! He’s plagued us for so long, now he’s gone. He got what was coming to him!
7. WALTER!
8. Tok’ra internet!

Thing’s I Didn’t Like:
1. Ba’al working for Anubis. That doesn’t happen! I mean, not Ba’al!
2. The whole concept behind Takarra. So predictable!
3. Replicartor’s sword-arm. Lame!
4. They took Daniel! I want him back right now!

Good Moments/Quotes:
1. “And don’t be afraid to remind him (Thor) that we’ve saved his cute, little, gray bum several times!”
2. When Thor beamed Carter into Jack’s office and she’s like “Damnit!” And he’s like, “Hey Carter!”
3. Jacob/Jack banter. “Hi? Hello? How are you? What’s up? What’s doing? Hey buddy!” and then “You said we had a problem. Not a big GLACTIC EMERGENCY!”
4. “That’s not good!” When seeing all the Replicators.
5. “It’s not going to be getting any better if you keep stealing stuff.” Dirty look! “Hey, no complaints! I’ll take what I can get. Weapons, receivers, silverware!”
6. Jack/Ba’al banter too. “We were just talking about you. All good!” “There’s been a little chit…and chat around the water cooler!!” “Yeah, pesky little buggers!” “I don’t like to toot my own horn…” “Wait, I’m sorry! We must have had a bad connection or something. It almost sounded like you wanted help?” “My, this is an occasion! You know that bitter taste in your throat, kinda wrapped around your uvula. That’s what’s left of your pride!” “I’ve got a better idea. Instead of helping you, why don’t we sit back and watch you get your ass kicked! That way you’ll be dead and we’ll be glad!”

I give “Reckoning, Part 1” a 9/10. I really like how it focused on a lot of different ideas and people, not just one like most of the episodes in Season 8 have. It really gave an introduction/reference to future episodes. The weapon was an introduction to “Threads” and the whole “we could travel back in time…” was to “Moebious (sp.) 1 and 2.” I like how that was done. I could see “Threads” as sort of a “Reckoning: Part 3 and 4” since it’s the 90 minute version we get to see! Too bad the season is over in 4 weeks!

**Sorry about the switch-around mods! I posted them in the wrong order by accidnet.

Mr. Seven
January 26th, 2005, 09:05 PM
This episode was so good it could have been part of the season finale. Lots of action and everyone was in on something too.

AsgardCarnage
January 26th, 2005, 10:49 PM
quick question, danial worked out what the "if you know that the candel light is fire, then the meal was cooked along time ago" means, what does it mean? its about your perspective on the world around u or something right?

ElanaM
January 27th, 2005, 01:17 AM
I'm sorry, but if RDA hadn't said So Many Times that it was his idea to "dumb Jack down" and if the writers and his fellow actors hadn't said So Many Times, that RDA both adlibs his lines and does what he wants because He Is The Boss, then I would gladly throw all the inane comments that come out of Jack's mouth directly into the writers' laps.

I too, think RDA and Jack are gorgeous--all men should be so hot in their 50's. I used to love the Jack and Daniel Friendship Duo-- back when Jack acted like he CARED for his team members and actually had a serious bone in his body.

It's one thing to act the way he does as a Col; but in my opinion, Jack makes a lousy general, and I'd go AWOL before I followed him into battle now.

I do apologise to the Jack fans who were not happy with my comment about locking the door behind him-- that was insensitive of me, and I know better than that. I'll go back and edit that portion.

Dana Jeanne




I think I have to regretfully agree with all of the above. 'General' O'Neill is just irritating. Flip, snarky comments are not appropriate at his level and gushing over them does not help. He does not have to act like Hammond but he should be shown to engage his brain (which he undoubtedly has).

Much as I like RDA, I think he needs better writing or to curb his inanity. It gets tiresome. I was driving to work this morning and thought that no military leader in their right mind would treat an enemy counterpart so glibly (as he did with Ba'al). There is history between them but that is no excuse.

Platschu
January 27th, 2005, 01:45 AM
ElanaM: I think too that Jack was the worst part in this fantastic episode. :(

Albion
January 27th, 2005, 04:32 AM
Well, it's been a few more days now and a couple more viewings to let it all settle in. And I do want to comment further on one aspect of this episode. I still enjoy it greatly and think it was a great episode. But there is one aspect to it that bothers me and which I think could have made it an even more terrific episode if it had been 'fixed'.

That is, the growing trend this season to laugh off the peril. I've noticed it in a few episodes now and to my mind it's a big mistake by the writers. How can the viewers be on the edge of their seat, or feel the tension of all that drama and action and our heroes in danger - if the writers aren't taking that danger seriously? If the characters don't seem to appreciate they're in trouble, how can we? If they adopt a blase attitude to being captured by the enemy, why wouldn't we do the same and stop caring too? And that diminishes both characters and episode just a little for me.

Part of this lack is epitomised for me by the reactions to Daniel's abduction. I agree that the almost complete lack of concern for his fate was a bad error by the writer. There should at least have been some acknowledgement of it in the briefing room scene. I noticed this lack in New Order when it came to Carter's abduction - but there it could be slightly excused by them being too busy and in the thick of the action to have time to register it. Kind of. Slightly. :p That wasn't the case here. The pace was much slower. So what is it about being abducted by replicators that has everyone so relaxed? They're supposed to be the worst threat in the galaxy. But apparently they're no danger when they beam you up to their ship for a little...chat. Daniel (and Carter) might as well have been on vacation, visiting old friends.

Realistically, I realise that it must be difficult to continue to portray this type of concern over eight seasons. Just how many times can you show Carter sitting despondantly in the locker room? Or Jack staring wistfully at the name on a locker door? But as these are the kind of scenes that I really enjoy - team members showing concern over the fate of one of their own - I'm really missing this element this season.

Damian Kindler seems to be very good at comic dialogue and team relationship. And we're on the same page there. I enjoy his scripts for that reason. But he doesn't seem to have a grasp of how to inject tension or serious drama into an episode and that's something I really hope he and other writers rectify in season 9.

After all, you can't truly appreciate the fun and the humour without the counterbalance of concern and tension. One feeds off the other and without that balance both are diminished. Let's keep the fun. But let's not lose the poignant moments and the serious dealing of ethical issues and having our heroes face real danger either, please.

Although I wouldn't go as far as other posters in their new disgust for Jack - I'm still enjoying his input enormously - I would like to see a return to including the other aspects of his character, rather than just this interminable focus on his blase, irreverent side. I want to see the Jack who is street smart and military savvy. Who cares about his team. Who can be relied on when your back is to the wall to come up with the off the wall solution that works. Again, it's all about balance. And the way it's been lacking with Jack too this season.

I don't agree with the poster who offered the opinion that no General would so easily dismiss an enemy like Ba'al. Jack wasn't dealing with Ba'al. He was dealing with a hologram that was completely incapable of offering any threat to him, anyone else or the SGC. That must affect his decisions on how he responds to him. And it's hard to be worried about an enemy that's being whacked over the head by someone else and is about to go down in flames, I suspect. Seriously - at this stage in the game - what threat does Ba'al really pose? Not much.

Like I said, I haven't gone off this episode at all - I've enjoyed watching it every time, it's packed with moments that I really love. I just have the feeling that I'm watching a really good episode. And that it could have been an even better one if this element hadn't been ignored.

Ah well...perhaps part two will rack up the tension. ;) Or the rest of the arc till the finale. Here's hoping. Certainly, there are some interesting photos for this one in the episode guide. :p If there was tension and all the great stuff from part one, part two and the rest of the arc will be stunning!

Albion :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 27th, 2005, 06:51 AM
quick question, danial worked out what the "if you know that the candel light is fire, then the meal was cooked along time ago" means, what does it mean? its about your perspective on the world around u or something right?

The way I interpreted what went on there was that Daniel had just figured out that he wasn't talking to Oma. She was speaking too straighforwardly for Oma. (He may not have remembered ascension, but he remembered his first encounter with Oma in Maternal instinct, with his wife's son, Shifu in Absolute Power and he would know that she spoke in near incomprensible riddles.) In fact, she was talking more like Sam.

So he plastered that "eureka" look on his face and talked candlelight and dinner and watched "Oma"s" expression. I doubt he knows what the expression means, but he knew that this "Oma" didn't, either.

That's how I saw the scene, anyways.

ElanaM
January 27th, 2005, 06:55 AM
Good post. However, it's not a case of 'new disgust' for Jack but more alarm at how he is being portrayed. I'm not sure whether it is the writing or the actor's choice but Generals generally show a bit more gravitas. Also, there appears to be a great many 'fish out of water' stories for O'Neill at the moment. That may be deliberate and leading up to his resignation or whatever, but can we have an episode where he does shine, is a bit more serious and caring about the team/s?

As for dealing with a hologram instead of the real deal, my comment regarding his snarkiness was also taking into account his behaviour in other instances eg Maybourne in Good to be King. Jack was an excellent leader as Colonel and he should be as General but he's not, and that is due to writing. He would not have made Colonel, let alone General, if was as crap as he is currently being portrayed. They promoted him for a reason. Being slightly dense and irreverent is one thing, total w&^%er is another.

noxturnal
January 27th, 2005, 09:54 AM
The only part of this ep that didn't work for me was Jacob suggesting to Jack that they tell Ba'al to pull his forces back thus dooming the Jaffa rebellion, did he really think for a second that Jack would do something to ensure the destruction of the rebellion esp considering that Teal'c and Bra'tac were there???

Buzz Lightyear
January 27th, 2005, 10:27 AM
The only part of this ep that didn't work for me was Jacob suggesting to Jack that they tell Ba'al to pull his forces back thus dooming the Jaffa rebellion, did he really think for a second that Jack would do something to ensure the destruction of the rebellion esp considering that Teal'c and Bra'tac were there???

That only points out the difference in thinking between the Tok'Ra and their sometimes allies, the SGC and the rebel Jaffa. Jacob is obviously heavily influenced by Selmak's perspective. It's a very logical position but doesn't take into account O'Neill's personal feelings for Teal'c, Bra'tac and the rebel Jaffa, or his aversion to putting trust in any Goa'uld, especially Baal.

Juice
January 27th, 2005, 10:41 AM
[mod snip] I MISSED YU DIEING.


Damn you Manchester United V Chelsea being interesting during the break.


I've got a feeling that Anubis may save the day and is working to save the Galaxy from the Replicator/Plague threat and has been since he deascended and he forseen it when ascended.

That said he is still a evil sonofa and intends to rule the galaxy he saved(rightly so), but due to his good deed of ridding the Galaxy of the Replicators and saving millions he will be rewarded with ascension.


That would be a nice little twist anyway

Ugly Pig
January 27th, 2005, 10:58 AM
That said he is still a evil sonofa and intends to rule the galaxy he saved(rightly so), but due to his good deed of ridding the Galaxy of the Replicators and saving millions he will be rewarded with ascension.
Ah, no... Maybe you missed the point that he's not planning on saving anyone. He's gonna wipe out all life in the galaxy... Everything. Not just the replicators.

Madeleine
January 27th, 2005, 11:07 AM
Ah, no... Maybe you missed the point that he's not planning on saving anyone. He's gonna wipe out all life in the galaxy... Everything. Not just the replicators.

Makes you wonder what the point would be though. He'd be alone in the galaxy, with no one to rule; no one even to speak to except the other ascendeds, who wouldn't be particularly pally with him. It'd be pretty miserable for Anubis if you ask me.

KatG
January 27th, 2005, 11:10 AM
Excellent episode. Replicarter is fantastic. Totally psychotic and evil. What a great villain.

Nice to see some fallout from Gemini, and Jack addressing the issue with Carter, admitting that ultimately he was at fault for giving permission for her actions. Now what are they going to do about it?

Was totally fooled by "Oma". I really thought it was her. Nice twist. Also nice to know that the ancient knowledge is there somewhere in Daniel's brain.

And while I felt that Teal'c and Bra'tac took Ta'karta way too easily, and was expecting more action, I didn't expect it to come in the form of a trap having been laid.

Also wasn't expecting Anubis to make a reappearance.

Ba'al was great and the banter with Jack was fantastic. Had me LOL several times.

Nice to see Jacob again too, and to know that the To'kra are still out there doing whatever it is they do.

This was one episode that I had basically remained completely spoiler free for, so all the twists and turns made for a nice surprise. Can't wait until next week.

MagnoliaAnaglypta
January 27th, 2005, 11:16 AM
Ah, no... Maybe you missed the point that he's not planning on saving anyone. He's gonna wipe out all life in the galaxy... Everything. Not just the replicators.

.... and we only have Ba'al's word for that at this point...

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January 27th, 2005, 11:45 AM
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Anubis is waaaay waaaay more evil then the rest of the gou'ld. He was so evil, that the rest of the gou'ld tried to kill him. They at least know that humans must live in order to serve them. Anubis wants to kill everything in the galaxy and create life as he sees fit. (To me, the ancient weapon can seed life throughtout the galaxy...I don't see it destroying life...but it does create life, which Anubis wants). I see replicarter killing Daniel, him dieing and then ascending; and then Daniel and Anubis duking it out in Threads.

But that kind of makes you wonder for the 2 part season finale. Why would sg-1 use the time ship to go back in time? Maybe Anubis wins and kills everything and they must go back to stop it; but I don't think that that will happen.

I know this is kind of off topic, but Daniel said in Abyss that being ascended doesn't make you all knowing; if this is so, then how would Anubis know all about ancient knowledge. And how would Daniel have knowledge stored in his subconsious if he never got it in the first place. I know I'm probably trying to make logic out of something that shouldn't be taken word for word, but it had irked me for a while.

Feli
January 27th, 2005, 11:48 AM
Coming into this thread late but just wanted to state theat I really enjoyed this episode. It had everything Stargate can and should be about given the current cirumstances. Almost made me forget episodes like Prometheus Unbound and Citizen Joe. Almost... . Maybe the second part will do the trick.

I liked that we saw each of the four main characters with equal amounts of time. If they do it like this I don't even long for real team eps; pairing each of the characters with strong and well-loved (or hated) recurring characters is splendid.

DarkQuee1
January 27th, 2005, 12:14 PM
Also, there appears to be a great many 'fish out of water' stories for O'Neill at the moment. That may be deliberate and leading up to his resignation or whatever,

Jack has only been a general for a few months; Hammond, who was a major general when we first met him, had been a general for years and undoubtedly has had other commands (though probably none as important as the SGC turned out to be). Jack has been thrown into the deep end: probably the most active, crisis-ridden and dangerous command in the military. Heck, on the whole planet. And it's not the sort of thing he ever really wanted to do.


but can we have an episode where he does shine, is a bit more serious and caring about the team/s?

The problem is that, in any number of eps, because of RDA's schedule, there were times when Jack should have been present and wasn't. But he was definitely more serious in GEmini, and dealt well with the Russians in Full Alert. Ba'al is a whole different thing, though, and I will continue to maintain that his attitude toward Ba'al is totally in character and goes a lot deeper than being a smartass.

As for caring: the writers have blown it on a number of occasions lately. But in regard to your complaint about Jack not caring for the team, he was certainly concerned in Zero Hour, in Icon, in Avatar, in Endgame, about TEal'c in Sacrifices and Reckoning. With Daniel, it may have been a failure on the part of the writers. OTOH, it's not totally out of character: Jack can't do anything to help Daniel (and unlike Icon, we aren't dealing with a situation that has dragged on for quite a while) and there are emergencies out there affecting with other members of the SGC, our allies, and even the entire planet (ok, the entire galaxy). We've seen Jack enough to know that this is not when he would choose to stop doing anything else to worry about something he can't do anything about; that will come later when the crisis is over.


J.

Albion
January 27th, 2005, 01:25 PM
So he plastered that "eureka" look on his face and talked candlelight and dinner and watched "Oma"s" expression. I doubt he knows what the expression means, but he knew that this "Oma" didn't, either.

That's how I saw the scene, anyways.

Yes, you can see that in Oma's response to what Daniel says, in her expressions. Quite clearly, for a moment, she's completely baffled and has no idea how to respond. Then she smiles and tries to get over her lapse by giving him what she thinks is the correct answer. Daniel, of course, has noted her initial confusion and knows his theory that she's not Oma is correct.


Makes you wonder what the point would be though. He'd be alone in the galaxy, with no one to rule; no one even to speak to except the other ascendeds, who wouldn't be particularly pally with him. It'd be pretty miserable for Anubis if you ask me.

Yes, I meant to mention that. Same thing occurred to me. Seems a daft thing to do. Who'd he have left to annoy? BTW, while I'm here - really liked the whole Anubis switching bodies thing.

Albion :)

wildcard_sej
January 27th, 2005, 01:50 PM
Makes you wonder what the point would be though. He'd be alone in the galaxy, with no one to rule; no one even to speak to except the other ascendeds, who wouldn't be particularly pally with him. It'd be pretty miserable for Anubis if you ask me.

Always assuming that whoever activates the device doesn't get annihilated too. And if Anubis is somehow immune, he'll have run out of fresh bodies to swap into. Which seems highly appropriate actually.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 27th, 2005, 01:55 PM
BTW, while I'm here - really liked the whole Anubis switching bodies thing.

Albion :)

<nods enthusiastically> Yes! Finally, Anubis has my attention. He has become much more real and dangerous to me since Lockdown. What a terrible situation for the host :eek: but at least they don't have to endure for thousands of years.... <ugh!>

Im_just_guessing
January 27th, 2005, 06:02 PM
So does everybody agree that Replicators=Borg now?

As soon as Thor said they adapted...i shook my head...

tlfoust
January 27th, 2005, 06:45 PM
(8 pages of responses just to make sure nobody mentioned this- there should be awards for people how do that!)

*speculation for Reckoning, Part 2*
*spoilers for "Sacrifices*

Chirs Judge said, ""I am definitely writing one episode in Season Eight, and in it you will see someone get married and someone die -- but don't tell anyone!" Obivously, this isn't that epsiode. But when i read that, I immedeately assumed it would be Bra'tac getting the axe. Let's face it, he's old for a Jaffa, even with the Tritonin supplimenting for a symbiote. I was wrong about that episode, but I still think it's about time for him to go down in the fight for freedom.

Elwe Singollo
January 27th, 2005, 07:15 PM
So does everybody agree that Replicators=Borg now?

As soon as Thor said they adapted...i shook my head...Heh, yah, i had the same thought, but i think imo, the Replicators have some kind of personality, unlike the dull borg... "Resistance is Futile", heh i laugh at that...

Buzz Lightyear
January 27th, 2005, 07:17 PM
So does everybody agree that Replicators=Borg now?

As soon as Thor said they adapted...i shook my head...

Any advanced race can adapt. If you mean there are similarities between the Replicators and the Borg, that part is true, but the Replicators are all mechanical while the Borg are biomechanical. And Replicators don't assimilate humanoids.

In a similar vein, one can make an argument for [spoiler]the Wraiths' hive-like society resembling the Borg as well.

the dancer of spaz
January 27th, 2005, 09:20 PM
Borgs? Pshaw... :D
Aren't those in Star Trek or something? *ducks and dodges rotten veggies, fruit, assorted furniture and Mack trucks*

Chevron_nine
January 28th, 2005, 11:50 AM
I just watched the episode, I gotta say I absolutely loved it. Some things just don't make sense to me though.

First, I can understand why Ba'al would serve Anubis, all Anubis has to do is enter Ba'al's body to kill him. But why would Anubis tell Ba'al that he's going to get a device that will kill all life in the galaxy, which includes killing Ba'al. Shouldn't he have just said it's a weapon to kill the replicators, this way he doesn't have to worry about Ba'al backstabbing him. Maybe Anubis is just getting cocky.

Secondly, the device is supposed to kill all LIFE in the galaxy, do machines really count as life? It could alternatively mean that the device will actually destroy the galaxy itself and all things contained within. If it's going to kill ALL life, why worry about where in teh galaxy the rebel Jaffa are? Either way, it seems like a pretty stupid plan unless Anubis is planning on moving into the next galaxy over. Another possibility is that the device is CAPABLE of destroying all life in the galaxy, but can also be used in other ways, like wiping out a specific species (Maybe that's what happened to the Furlings:P).
If this is the case why would Ba'al be so worried about being killed if it's only going to be used against the Replicators? Maybe it's just a trick he has to lure SG-1 to Ta'kara, or to get them to get rid of Anubis for him.


And this is just a nitpick, was it just me or did the Hatak firing make a different noise than usual. It was kind of like a pong-pong noise instead of the vrooom that it usually makes.

.Ra.
January 28th, 2005, 12:36 PM
And this is just a nitpick, was it just me or did the Hatak firing make a different noise than usual. It was kind of like a pong-pong noise instead of the vrooom that it usually makes.
Remember, the mothership was taken by the Replicators. They have probably adjusted the ship in many ways, weapons first.

Teal'c
January 28th, 2005, 03:48 PM
Remember, the mothership was taken by the Replicators. They have probably adjusted the ship in many ways, weapons first.
Plus, that deep booming sound is only when Ha'taks are firing through a planet's atmosphere.

Maybe we should all stop saying how things don't make sense just because we can't figure out what's going to happen next week :P

Skydiver
January 28th, 2005, 07:08 PM
sorry, i'm not wading through all 8 pages....me lazy :)
-and on dial up-

i enjoyed this. nice action and adventure. Several plot threads coming to a head.

i had a couple of niggling things.....jacob let baal see him? doesn't this like blow his cover?

I like RC showing back up and being the b****.
Nice thing about the T'kara (although it would have been a bit more believable had we ever heard of it before....course we never heard about Kheb before it was plot necessary)

I'm interested in finding out what the true secret of t'kara is. there has to be more that just a weapon's location.

where the first primta was, could this be an abandoned ancient laboratory? maybe giving clues, insight, into just how the goauld came into existence...maybe also explaining how the goauld got naq in their blood

I'm really looking forward to part 2 and seeing what questions it answers

keshou
January 28th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Nice episode! From the moment RC stuck it to poor Yu (Yu! I'll miss you!), the storylines kept coming. There was a lot of exposition - I think everybody from Sam to Bra'tac to Thor participated - but I thought it did a nice job of setting the table for what should be a corker of an episode next week.

Ba'al was great. I adore the way Cliff Simon plays this role. His cock of the eyebrow at Anubis, his annoyance at Jack's antics, his clothes.

And speaking of Anubis. Wow, I like this new Anubis so much better than that Darth Vader wannabee we used to have. Watching his "essence" transfer into that poor young man reminded me how evil the Goa'uld used to seem.

Replicarter. I really like RC and think AT's doing a nice job here.

Daniel/Oma/RC. These were some nice little scenes. Daniel seemed more like old Daniel than he has in some time and there was some interesting stuff going on here.

Jacob and Bra'tac! Always nice to see you guys.

Jack. Yes I can appreciate you're trying to annoy and mock Ba'al, but you went a little overboard with the cosmic giddiness. Like the snark but I like it better when I can still see the dangerous special ops guy and effective leader lurking beneath the surface. I was having trouble seeing him in this episode - needed a little more balance I think.

So all roads lead to T'kara. The sacred place where the first prim'tah ceremony took place for the Jaffa. The place where Anubis rose from the dead. And the place where a weapon exists that can destroy the galaxy. Now THIS I'm looking forward to. :D

I checked the Gateworld spoiler pics and I'm not seeing much that looks like it's from the second part of Reckoning. Hmm.....

TechnoBoY
January 29th, 2005, 05:22 AM
Did Mel Harris (Oma), get some work done? Like a face lift or something? She looks different. Or maybe its the hair. Hm.....

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 29th, 2005, 06:44 AM
Did Mel Harris (Oma), get some work done? Like a face lift or something? She looks different. Or maybe its the hair. Hm.....

Well she wasn't back-lit, for one thing. That tends to soften and distort facial features.

About this scene, I have to say that I knew it was RCOma from the moment she came in, and I'll bet the "harder" look of Oma was done to clue us in.

RC, like Real Carter didn't truck with any of Oma's riddles, so she spoke more like Sam, because, afterall, she shares Sam's opinions and thought processes. That thing she said, about absolute truth, that thing that Daniel said made no sense, was definitely not an Oma-ism; it was a Sam-ism.

I thought the ruse was masterfully executed, giving Daniel(and us) just enough subtle clues, including Oma's face, to help us arrive at Daniel's conclusion at the same time he did.) And I loved how Daniel handled her, led her to expose herself. Very good stuff. :)

Quinn Mallory
January 29th, 2005, 06:49 AM
Did Mel Harris (Oma), get some work done? Like a face lift or something? She looks different. Or maybe its the hair. Hm.....

I agree she looked different. I like Tok'Ra Hostess's explanation for this being a hint to the viewer about the Oma being fake.

Anyhow, it is tough for recurring characters to return once every year or two and for them to retain the same look despite the fact that Oma probably wouldn't change her look but nor should a replicator robot like Fifth gain weight.

KatG
January 30th, 2005, 08:45 AM
I'm interested in finding out what the true secret of t'kara is. there has to be more that just a weapon's location.

where the first primta was, could this be an abandoned ancient laboratory? maybe giving clues, insight, into just how the goauld came into existence...maybe also explaining how the goauld got naq in their blood

I'm really looking forward to part 2 and seeing what questions it answers

Interesting. Maybe the goa'uld were an ancient experiment gone bad. That thought hadn't occurred to me. Now I wanna see part 2 even more than I did before.

Skydiver
January 30th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Interesting. Maybe the goa'uld were an ancient experiment gone bad. That thought hadn't occurred to me. Now I wanna see part 2 even more than I did before.

I have my own personal theory about the goauld, which has changed slightly now with atlantis

I think the ancients stumbled across p3x888 and found a planet full of sentient creatures living in the water. they experimented on them, found out that, while they were pretty helpless outside a host, they were formidible within a host

atlantis spoilers

given what we found out in Underground i think, that one person had a protein that gave them an immunity to the wraith, i think the goauld were bred and sought after as a potential serum for the wraith. I think the protein they found there was the protein like sam has, a by product of blending.

I think the ancients bred the goauld, planned to use them as a weapon against the wraith


i think the ancients even started the naqahdah in the blood as a way to track their goauld slaves

what they didn't realize was that the goauld had a genetic memory and, after centuries of enslavement, they were happy to rise up as the ancients were defeated by the wraith

the ancients created teh goauld problem, then were too defeated to do anything about it. and the furlings, nox and asgard were all too arrogant and uncaring to bother with the goauld. they just stood by and let it happen, not caring as long as the goauld left them alone

Congerking
January 30th, 2005, 02:12 PM
That's a good theory; but i think that if the gou'ld were slaves of the ancients, then why don't they use more of their technology and have the knowledge of them.

UHHHH...i wanna see part two tomorrow.

Congerking
January 30th, 2005, 02:16 PM
I agree she looked different. I like Tok'Ra Hostess's explanation for this being a hint to the viewer about the Oma being fake.

Anyhow, it is tough for recurring characters to return once every year or two and for them to retain the same look despite the fact that Oma probably wouldn't change her look but nor should a replicator robot like Fifth gain weight.

Yes, she looked more pasty white, plus she had like some gel in her hair. In all the other instances we have seen Oma, there has been white light shined down on her to give her the more astral look. there wasn't that look in this episode. but i didn't notice this until it was over, good job with the twist.

Shipperahoy
January 30th, 2005, 02:43 PM
I don't know if this has already been mentioned but did anybody else wonder about the casual reception that Jacob received? I mean he left saying that he didn't know when or if he'd be able to get back and yet there's no big reaction to him showing up. You'd think Sam at least would have been more suprised, and definately more happy.

DarkQuee1
January 30th, 2005, 02:59 PM
I have my own personal theory about the goauld, which has changed slightly now with atlantis

I think the ancients stumbled across p3x888 and found a planet full of sentient creatures living in the water. they experimented on them, found out that, while they were pretty helpless outside a host, they were formidible within a host

atlantis spoilers

given what we found out in Underground i think, that one person had a protein that gave them an immunity to the wraith, i think the goauld were bred and sought after as a potential serum for the wraith. I think the protein they found there was the protein like sam has, a by product of blending.

I think the ancients bred the goauld, planned to use them as a weapon against the wraith


i think the ancients even started the naqahdah in the blood as a way to track their goauld slaves

what they didn't realize was that the goauld had a genetic memory and, after centuries of enslavement, they were happy to rise up as the ancients were defeated by the wraith

the ancients created teh goauld problem, then were too defeated to do anything about it. and the furlings, nox and asgard were all too arrogant and uncaring to bother with the goauld. they just stood by and let it happen, not caring as long as the goauld left them alone



I haven't seen any indication that the Goa'uld exist in the Pegasus galaxy. In First Ones, we found their home planet and it was in our galaxy. And the Goa'uld, who still all their technology from others, don't appear to have any Ancient technology (except semi-ascended Anubis, but he knows because of his ascension).


J.

Skydiver
January 30th, 2005, 04:08 PM
That's a good theory; but i think that if the gou'ld were slaves of the ancients, then why don't they use more of their technology and have the knowledge of them.

UHHHH...i wanna see part two tomorrow.

because the ancients either took it with them when they left or rigged it so that it didn't work for goauld, like the head grabber in fifth race, that didn't work for jaffa, only for someone with the ancient gene

Skydiver
January 30th, 2005, 04:11 PM
I haven't seen any indication that the Goa'uld exist in the Pegasus galaxy. In First Ones, we found their home planet and it was in our galaxy. And the Goa'uld, who still all their technology from others, don't appear to have any Ancient technology (except semi-ascended Anubis, but he knows because of his ascension).


J.

no, we haven't seen definitive proof

underground spoilers

however carson said that it was a protein in the blood of one person on that planet that was immune from the wraith

sam has a protein in her blood from being a host

yes, it's just a coincidence, however i think that the goauld were used by the ancients as a possible antidote/poison to the wraith


time will tell :)

Cronus
February 10th, 2005, 09:19 AM
I don't know if this has been talked about but when Teal'c's ship is attacked by a replicator ship we only see the four main characters leave the ship.

But didn't Teal'c say something like `the Jaffa on the ship will overwhelm those loyal to` whoever it was. Kinda sly not to even show any of the Jaffa, especially if they all died trying to fight off the replicators.

Brendan
February 22nd, 2005, 06:24 PM
I don't know if this has been talked about but when Teal'c's ship is attacked by a replicator ship we only see the four main characters leave the ship.

But didn't Teal'c say something like `the Jaffa on the ship will overwhelm those loyal to` whoever it was. Kinda sly not to even show any of the Jaffa, especially if they all died trying to fight off the replicators.

He does make mention of the Jaffa. I guess they're just Red Shirts so it doesn't matter. However did they say that they dialed home from the planet they were above? Maybe some of the Jaafa on board ringed down with them and then they dialed to another planet to take them home and then Carter/Bratac and Teal'C dialed back to the SGC from there?

Anyways, I liked this episode a lot and if this episode is any indication then I think season 8 could possibly redeem itself with these last few episodes. Onto part 2!!

joasia
February 24th, 2005, 11:07 AM
I don't know if this has been talked about but when Teal'c's ship is attacked by a replicator ship we only see the four main characters leave the ship.
But didn't Teal'c say something like `the Jaffa on the ship will overwhelm those loyal to` whoever it was. Kinda sly not to even show any of the Jaffa, especially if they all died trying to fight off the replicators.
In "The Seprent's Lair" Bra'tac has his mighty wing (also known as A Pair of Jaffa). For some time Bra'tac, SG1 and the 2 Jaffa are together, but then Bra'tac sends his wing away and we never see them again. Nobody even thought about getting them off the ship stuffed with C4...

Bobthespirit
February 25th, 2005, 04:29 PM
Okay, here's my problem with the episode so far. (27 minutes past the hour)

I find it to be really inconsistant if Rep Sam could dig the ancient knowledge out of Daniel's brain, and use it, without the ascendeds stopping it.

I don't see any difference between Daniel using his powers to stop Anubis from destroying Abydos, and the replicators using ancient knowledge gathered from Daniel to take over the galaxy. (And if that IS the case, Rep Sam would know that)

BigHonkinSpaceGun
February 25th, 2005, 04:53 PM
In the scene were Ba'al comes in, and there are 2 Kull warriors holding a man, and a black cloud passes from the really sick looking man to the one being held. That's Anubis (the cloud), isn't it?

Bloody h---.

Bobthespirit
February 25th, 2005, 04:59 PM
This episode has to be the most dissapointing episode of Stargate ever.

I don't like what Stargate is turning into. It used to be about the people...the characters, how the situations are explored and exploited through the characters, and the tactics used to overcome obstacles, via the characters.

Now it's just like all other scifi...you win when you come upon the next magical solution that trumps the enemy's latest magical solution.

Looking now more than ever that SG1 is passing the torch to Atlantis.

And if the replicators become the main enemy instead of the gu'ald, it'll be like that in season nine no matter how good or bad the new characters are. You don't beat the replicators by manipulating them or outsmarting them, you do it by finding the next piece of technology. Hopefully Reckoning, pt 2 will have a clever, character-oriented solution, and save the series. If not...Lost City should have been the finale.

lord-anubis
February 25th, 2005, 05:06 PM
i can't rember the last time i have really goten in to a ep. reckoning was great but i have a couple of Qusetons

one how did anubis get off the ice planet and how long has ball been srvering anubis


one more thing how come the ancients don't stop rep cater from geting there tech?

Osiris-RA
February 25th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Okay, just saw Reckoning.

IT ROCKED!! This has to be the best ep i have seen in S8!! It felt more like StarGate this time around. We went offworld, we saw Replicarter (who I could smack across the galaxy) we saw Anubis (not that I care) We saw Jack and Sam and Danny boy and T, they actually acted like Jack, Sam Danny and T, the plot was pretty good (though I gotta say, I hate Jack's new attitude. I'm beginning to lose respect for him) and I'm actually looking forward to part 2. This could be great, a big new weapon, which they set up nicely, Ba'al want's Jack and Co. to get it first, Replicarter is after it, Oma might scoop Danny back in her wing (God, I hope Oma reduces RepliCranium to RepliBits, Guuuuuhhh!!) and we're learning some more about the Ancients. If all goes well, we might just see the Furlings soon, and we get some nice Smor footage. (:D) PTB, pretty good. Try to keep this pace, huh? I actually wasn't typing while I absentmindedly watched TV, not giving a care about the plot.
KEEP IT UP, HOO AH!!
Next, another great episode of Monk! Friday is truley TGIF, Thank God It's Friday!!!!

lord-anubis
February 25th, 2005, 05:37 PM
Okay, just saw Reckoning.

IT ROCKED!! This has to be the best ep i have seen in S8!! It felt more like StarGate this time around. We went offworld, we saw Replicarter (who I could smack across the galaxy) we saw Anubis (not that I care) We saw Jack and Sam and Danny boy and T, they actually acted like Jack, Sam Danny and T, the plot was pretty good (though I gotta say, I hate Jack's new attitude. I'm beginning to lose respect for him) and I'm actually looking forward to part 2. This could be great, a big new weapon, which they set up nicely, Ba'al want's Jack and Co. to get it first, Replicarter is after it, Oma might scoop Danny back in her wing (God, I hope Oma reduces RepliCranium to RepliBits, Guuuuuhhh!!) and we're learning some more about the Ancients. If all goes well, we might just see the Furlings soon, and we get some nice Smor footage. (:D) PTB, pretty good. Try to keep this pace, huh? I actually wasn't typing while I absentmindedly watched TV, not giving a care about the plot.
KEEP IT UP, HOO AH!!
Next, another great episode of Monk! Friday is truley TGIF, Thank God It's Friday!!!!

i agree with every thing you just said it was kind of sacry how in just couple of days the Replicarter were all over the place and kicking the goua'lds but and once again Replicarter cater scared the carp out of me

Bobthespirit
February 25th, 2005, 05:38 PM
I think Reckoning, Pt 1 can be saved if two things happen.

1) We DON'T have to sit through the replicators being the main enemy next season (The replicators get old faster than the borg)

2) We get a *real* ending and not one of the quick-fix ending we've been getting lately like in It's Good To Be King.

lord-anubis
February 25th, 2005, 05:42 PM
its a two part ep and this is one the first and were did you hear the replicators were going to be the new enenmy i am 80% sure that they are not but i could be worng

Osiris-RA
February 25th, 2005, 05:47 PM
I think Reckoning, Pt 1 can be saved if two things happen.

1) We DON'T have to sit through the replicators being the main enemy next season (The replicators get old faster than the borg)

2) We get a *real* ending and not one of the quick-fix ending we've been getting lately like in It's Good To Be King.

I got pretty good vibes from this one. And while I do think the Replicators get tired faster than the Borg (that's really because the Borg are a little more complex and human than the Replicators) I think that this one might just end with a cool bang the way they've set it up. We know a battle's coming, and there's kind of a race to see who gets the Ancient weapon first. The fate of the Galaxy's at stake here! It's Tauri to the challenge!

Heh, but I don't think it needs saving, Part 1, pretty good, kept me interested, Part 2, everything's resting on it to see we get to the finish. I do hope it will be a real ending. It looks that way, anyway ...

Bobthespirit
February 25th, 2005, 06:10 PM
It seemed possible that the replicators were going to be bigger in season nine, and replace the gu'ald. I'm really hoping that's not the case.

But it's gotten more and more annoying to me that we haven't had real tactical solutions this season. Like It's Good To Be King, there was no suspense because you knew all they had to do to win was activate the time machine and if they did that they'd win immediately, and it was obvious they'd just get it done 'right at the last second' (TM).

I didn't like Reckoning Pt 1 simply because it was not character driven, and because nothing that wasn't predictable happened. Like, for the whole hour, things happened 'because the producers say they do', and there was no real process of discovery or investigation.

I am *praying* they finally get rid of the replicators here.

Whatshername
February 25th, 2005, 06:14 PM
I liked it. There haven't been many episodes this season, or of late, that deal with the bigger plotline. It's nice to be introduced to Pete and his stalkerish ways and be entertained by a barber from Indiana and all, but I want to know what the Goa'uld are doing. And this episode provided that. And hey...THEY REMEMBERED THAT DANIEL WAS AN ANCIENT! Shocker.

Erik Bloodaxe
February 25th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Heh, but I don't think it needs saving, Part 1, pretty good, kept me interested, Part 2, everything's resting on it to see we get to the finish. I do hope it will be a real ending. It looks that way, anyway ...

To be honest (and I hope this isn't spoiling anything), it's actually a 3-parter. :)

-Bloodaxe

Osiris-RA
February 25th, 2005, 07:36 PM
No kidding? Hmm, what takes so long they have to trilogize it?

Erik Bloodaxe
February 25th, 2005, 07:37 PM
I find it to be really inconsistant if Rep Sam could dig the ancient knowledge out of Daniel's brain, and use it, without the ascendeds stopping it.

I don't see any difference between Daniel using his powers to stop Anubis from destroying Abydos, and the replicators using ancient knowledge gathered from Daniel to take over the galaxy. (And if that IS the case, Rep Sam would know that)

Um... the Others have no problem w/ Anubis taking advantage of his ancient knowledge. :p

-Bloodaxe

Erik Bloodaxe
February 25th, 2005, 07:38 PM
No kidding? Hmm, what takes so long they have to trilogize it?

There's a lot that is happening in this overall tale. :)

-Bloodaxe

Osiris-RA
February 25th, 2005, 07:39 PM
Sounds cool. Tell me, Lot's of explosions, yes?

Erik Bloodaxe
February 25th, 2005, 07:41 PM
This episode has to be the most dissapointing episode of Stargate ever.

I don't like what Stargate is turning into. It used to be about the people...the characters, how the situations are explored and exploited through the characters, and the tactics used to overcome obstacles, via the characters.

Now it's just like all other scifi...you win when you come upon the next magical solution that trumps the enemy's latest magical solution.

Looking now more than ever that SG1 is passing the torch to Atlantis.

And if the replicators become the main enemy instead of the gu'ald, it'll be like that in season nine no matter how good or bad the new characters are. You don't beat the replicators by manipulating them or outsmarting them, you do it by finding the next piece of technology. Hopefully Reckoning, pt 2 will have a clever, character-oriented solution, and save the series. If not...Lost City should have been the finale.

Hmm... it seemed to me Daniel had a good character moment in there where he outsmarted Repli-Carter. I thought you said you couldn't outsmart them. :)

-Bloodaxe

Erik Bloodaxe
February 25th, 2005, 07:42 PM
Sounds cool. Tell me, Lot's of explosions, yes?

From what I've heard, of course, and some excellent character moments ahead as well. :) Best of both worlds. :D

-Bloodaxe

Osiris-RA
February 25th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Sweet. And, Of course, I'm always happy to see good 'ol Thor of the Flat Grey Butts.
:D

Erik Bloodaxe
February 25th, 2005, 09:59 PM
Oh, and in regards to the explosions question (and not to spoil things too much w/ the context ;) ), I hear that part 2 has what one could claim is the biggest explosion in the entire history of the show! :eek: Bring on part 2! :D

-Bloodaxe

Hyperspace
February 25th, 2005, 10:59 PM
I think this was a great ep, and has a unique 'Blockbuster' quality that I feel is uniquely SG-1's, going all the way back to the season 6 premiere on Scifi. Just like in 'New Order' as well, you have all these great set pieces, all the major players, great individual scenes for each cast member.

However unlike 'New Order' I felt that 'Reckoning, Part I' itself seemed somewhat condensed. The battle for Takara, the Replicators' taking over the galaxy, it all could have been shown out longer. But the episode crammed in tons already, and moved along quickly...so it's great. Unlike later seasons of Star Trek where there were filler episodes in between the big two-parters, I think that SG-1 has great 'blockbuster' eps and excellent, more subtle yet no less significant standalone eps in between.

But one thing...Yu's death was pretty sudden, and a bit short...I'd like to see a more drawn-out ending...and his 'First Prime' did they bring the actor back for that brief appearance? And Oma? Lots of guest actor $$$.

And Repli-Carter---who what a great role for Amanda Tapping!!! I think she's really taken to her alter ego with zest...makes me think of Bewitched where in the later seasons, Samantha the main character got a 'bad' cousin who looked like her but with different color hair and clothes, 'Serena' played by the same actress.

I loved the shades of Star Wars ROTJ, it was all larger than life, and for once a superweapon to 'destroy the universe' that doesn't seem to contrived or hokey but in this universe makes serious sense!

SG-1 is still going strong, and this episode leaves me excited for next week!

Sicarius
February 25th, 2005, 11:09 PM
I thought the episode was decent overall (not as wowed as some, I guess), but am I the only one who thought the Jaffa temple thread came out of no where? Was that place ever mentioned before in the series? I guess it just seemed lame to me that Teal'c and Bray'tac were worried about who gets the Jaffas' hearts while there was such a blantantly more important threat to deal with...

yasureubetcha
February 25th, 2005, 11:40 PM
Well there wasn't exactly anything the Jaffa could do against the Replicators. Baal was already exhausting everything Goa'uld tactics and technology could do, and it wasn't working. Since the Rebel Jaffa have Goa'uld weapons, there wouldn't be much point in their joining that fight.

I liked this ep, especially the Oma interrogation, but I don't think Jack said anything in the entire episode that wasn't sarcastic, and many of his comments sounded majorly contrived. Trying WAY too hard this time, IMO. Plus I could've done without the whine-fest (Oh crap, we just realized that it's dangerous out here) in the very beginning of the episode.
Other than that, I liked it. I love the new replicators...Don't understand why everyone wants to see their demise! They're so much better than the Borg. But that is probably one of the purposes behind this three part ep, as much as I'd mourn them--after building them up as the invincible enemy, they couldn't very well undo them for good in a single hour episode.

Bandersnatch
February 26th, 2005, 04:24 AM
Howdy Campers,

So "Reckoning Part 1" -- not much to say about it, really. I guess that could be a good thing. I mean I didn't find it over the top, but I certainly don't regret watching it.

* I thought it was very well balanced between all the characters and their individual "battles" that all add up to a single goal

* Good to see Thor and his "cute little gray bum" again

* O'Neill's scenes with Ba'al were great. Considering what Ba'al did to O'Neill, it's good to see he can face him with the same sarcastic front (although I have to admit, the more nervous around a person I am, the more openly cynical I become)

* Why did they have to play the music from Meridian/Abyss with Daniel? It's the second week in a row -- it makes me sniffle every time...

* The part where Siler and Walter are waiting with Ba'al for O'Neill to arrive is cute.
Ba'al: Impeudence
O'Neill: No, tuna

Overall it was a good show. It had good guys, lotsa bad guys, and some old friends. I look forward to seeing the scripts play out on the screen -- there are some interesting twists coming up...

The Ultimate Obsession
February 26th, 2005, 05:27 AM
You know the scene where teal'c and the other jaffa are in the temple and there is ancient writing in the background... did anyone translate the large letters across the top. I have tried but could not get a good view of them all.

GatetheWay
February 26th, 2005, 09:23 AM
I liked this episode. The O'Neill and Ba'al stuff made me laugh out loud. I think the reason why O'Neill was slightly over the top with his sarcastic remarks had a lot to do with Ba'al's torture in season 6. O'Neil was determind to not give Ba'al any satisfaction and to make him sweat.

But anyway, it was great to see Jacob back again as well as Thor. Unfortunatly, I think the second part was ruined for me because someone typed somewhere that Daneil dies on the Replicator ship! Can you believe it no spoiler tags at all! You can imagine my fury! :eek:
I hope that wasn't the only twist.

greytop
February 26th, 2005, 11:33 AM
I liked this episode. The O'Neill and Ba'al stuff made me laugh out loud. I think the reason why O'Neill was slightly over the top with his sarcastic remarks had a lot to do with Ba'al's torture in season 6. O'Neil was determind to not give Ba'al any satisfaction and to make him sweat.

But anyway, it was great to see Jacob back again as well as Thor. Unfortunatly, I think the second part was ruined for me because someone typed somewhere that Daneil dies on the Replicator ship! Can you believe it no spoiler tags at all! You can imagine my fury! :eek:
I hope that wasn't the only twist.
My thoughts exactly. Just watching the show and knowing the title of the other shows, I figured that Daniel is going to die on the ship. I haven't read any of this thread before posting.

DarkQuee1
February 26th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Liked the ep very much and I can't wait to see part II.

Some of the earlier posts talked about Jack's behavior toward Ba'al. I think it's clear that there are two reasons: one is his feeling toward Ba'al personally. There's no doubt that he hates Ba'al--and probably has more than a few nightmares about what happened in Abyss. He can't reach out and smash Ba'al's face against the wall a few hundred times. But he can whittle him down to size. Deny him the perks of "godhood". Make him wait. Make him ask outright for help. Tweak his arrogance.

The other reason was also very clear: when Jacob asked him what he was doing, Jack turned very serious immediately and advised Jacob that he wasn't going to just sacrifice TEal'c and the Jaffa without making sure that no other course was possible. I liked that scene very much.

(And at the end, Jack picked up immediately as to whom Ba'al was referring.)

Loved Jack's exchange with Jacob that ended with "silverware."


One quibble: Jacob says that the ships that Jack saw were just the ships in a "small quadrant of the galaxy." Jacob, there's no such thing as a *small* (or large) quadrant. A quadrant is 1/4 of a galaxy. And every 1/4 is exactly the same size as every other 1/4, so long as they are quarter's of the same galaxy!

Maybe "small sector of the galaxy" would have been better. :)

J.

LoneStar1836
February 26th, 2005, 11:47 PM
For me, this episode kicked a**! I’ve been waiting for this kind of episode since the beginning of S8. After New Order they should have just skipped to this one. After NO, it basically went down hill from there with a few peaks to rise above par but was littered with mostly deep sinkholes, imho.



* I thought it was very well balanced between all the characters and their individual "battles" that all add up to a single goal
Same sentiment here. Granted the “team” was not working together in the same proximity, but I don’t always necessarily need that in order to have a great episode. Each of the main characters had important parts to play in the overall story so far. And their work with secondary characters was excellent. Though Jack was a bit too nonchalant in this one. He could have been more serious. He’s great for some humor with the snarks (especially with Baal), but let’s get serious. It can’t be all snark or giddiness, all the time. RDA did a great job in “Full Alert”. Guess he was all tapped out of seriousness for this one. :rolleyes: The humor Walter provided was great. “Never mind.” And he walks away. :D

It was even great to see Bra’tac, Jacob, Thor, Baal, and even ol’ Anubis in this one. It’s a pity they have not utilized Baal more this season. I just love him. :D Though I’m sad at the thought that Lord Yu’s first prime was killed by RC. He and Herak will always stand out from the countless first primes killed before them. Plus he was a cutie. And oh yeah, poor Yu as well. Oh well, he had to go sometime. ;) “Chef” was kind of distracting. I kept expecting him to say “Hello there, children.” :D

They even did a convincing job with Daniel. They had me going thinking that was Oma. Loved how he tripped RC up. Love the look and the way MS delivered the line “What the hell do you want?” to RC. Basically loved all of Daniel in this one. So far it’s the Daniel I enjoy. Not Daniel trying to be Jack. (He wasn’t feelin’ the love from the team, though. Jack and co. didn’t seem overly concerned at him being taken at first when Carter came back through the gate. First words out of my mouth would have been “Where’s Daniel?” They didn’t need to try to be cutesy with that scene.) AT did a great job again as RC. :)

Why in the h*ll would the Ancients build a device that destroys all life? :S Unless it has something to do with that viral plague, but still to kill off all life in the galaxy regardless of whether they were infected or not. There is way more to them and their past as corporeal humans. Somebody didn’t used to be so nicey nice as they’d like us to believe. What ever it was for, why leave it laying around? I hope we get some answers.

I think what I liked most is that there was actually a sense of danger and suspense which has become an endangered species in most episodes the last few seasons. I was actually left with wondering how they are going to get out of this situation. Is everyone going to survive? (Though I accidentally spoiled myself in that area for one character.) Hopefully, the magic wand will not be waved and all the danger dealt with in less than 5 minutes. Though I’m not getting the vibe that the Jaffa rebels will triumph in the end. I think they are pretty much getting ready to write them off. Permanently. I can’t wait for part 2 and then Threads. This Friday was outstanding with SG-1, SGA, and BSG. Next Friday can’t get here fast enough. :cool:

keshou
February 27th, 2005, 08:35 AM
I think what I liked most is that there was actually a sense of danger and suspense which has become an endangered species in most episodes the last few seasons. I was actually left with wondering how they are going to get out of this situation. Is everyone going to survive? (Though I accidentally spoiled myself in that area for one character.) Hopefully, the magic wand will not be waved and all the danger dealt with in less than 5 minutes. Though I’m not getting the vibe that the Jaffa rebels will triumph in the end. I think they are pretty much getting ready to write them off. Permanently. I can’t wait for part 2 and then Threads. This Friday was outstanding with SG-1, SGA, and BSG. Next Friday can’t get here fast enough. :cool:
That was what was so great about this episode - the danger and suspense were back. All the characters were "in character". Replicarter was great, Daniel was great. Even Jack's exchange with Ba'al seemed a little better on second viewing. This episode passed my "clock" test - I didn't look at it once.

Just wait for Reckoning II - you're going to LOVE it! :D

defina91rvc
February 27th, 2005, 11:33 AM
i was away, does anyone remember enough to give a complete summary??
thnx, defina91

Thek
February 27th, 2005, 02:34 PM
I'll attempt it.

Ba'al sent a Gao'uld messenger to the System Lords (which is down to three...I only recognized Yu) saying that they can keep their territory and power, as long as the bow to him as Supreme Ruler.

Then a Jaffa arrives, whispers to Ba'als messenger, and then Jaffa guards bring Sam in. Yu is surprised and Ba'al messenger accuses them of planning something.

Yu approaches Sam, asks what she's doing here, and Sam is actually RepliCarter, and kills Yu. (bum..bum...bum!!)

Meanwhile, on board a Gao'uld mothership is Teal'C, Bray'tac, Daniel, and Sam. Apparently, the Jaffa rebellion as planned a series of attacks to happen at the same time in order to weaken the Gao'uld.

Daniel and Sam are just there as observers.

However, their target is running late, and when it finally arrives, it doesn't accept the security codes and starts firing. Firing much strong weapons than the ship is cabable of. The ship is badly damage, and they were going to evacuate to the planet and escape via Stargate.

Then replicators arrive and Daniel is beamed away Asgard style.

Back on Earth, Jack is being Jack and is talking to someone about something (can't remember what), and mentions SG-1 isn't do back for a while. Then alarms sound 'Unschedelued off-world evacuation.'. It's SG-1.

Jack goes to meet up with them to see what happens, and Sam explains what happens, and says she believes RepliCarter took Daniel in order to get the information buried deep inside his sub-concscious about Ancient technology.

bum..bum...bum!!

eeer...that's about as much as I remember in chronological order. The rest I can't remember what happened when.

Spiderqueen
February 27th, 2005, 02:50 PM
I liked this episode but was heartbroken to see Yu die. He was my favorite System Lord and the only decent one. Why did he have to die?

The rest of the show is fun. Daniel gets kidnapped, Jack fools with Baal, Jacob tries to keep the whole "replicator problem" in everyone's minds, Sam and Thor work together, and Teal'C and Bra'tac are, well, just plain cool! THEY TOOK THE TEMPLE! YAAA!

And you have to hate the replicators in this episode, especially the Carter. Poor Daniel, thinking she was Oma Desala! Perhaps this expirence will lead to something in Threads coming up in two weeks. I'm very excited about Reckoning Part II and I hope that it's just as good as this episode was!

And please, bring back Lord Yu...*cries*

Seshat
February 27th, 2005, 03:25 PM
And you have to hate the replicators in this episode, especially the Carter. Poor Daniel, thinking she was Oma Desala!
I especially enjoyed seeing AT and MS getting to play off of each other using a different dynamic: evil Replicarter vs. captured Daniel. Must have been a nice change from what they've been portraying the last 7 years. I'd gotten so used to seeing them play virtual brother and sister that having RC threatening DJ was a welcome, fresh twist.

Hatusu
February 27th, 2005, 05:19 PM
They broke the bank on this one! They brought everyone back. Jacob and Bray'tac were there. Thor was there. Ba'al and Yu were there. RDA was there. Even Oma Desala was there. OK, it was Replicarter, but she was there. They had space scenes. They had temple scenes with candles. I was in Stargate heaven. :)

Livi2Jack
February 27th, 2005, 06:49 PM
I usually agree with you, but, I liked Citizen Joe...I thought it was hilarious. A real nod to the fans. Shows TPTB must read our comments. I LMAO!!!

Loved Reckoning P1, hope P2 is as good. Will miss RDA.

gwangung
February 27th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Ack.

Does no one understand the major reason WHY Jack acts the way he does with Baal?????

Not only is it his defense mechanism to deal with the past, but it's a tool that GENERAL O'Neill is using in negotiations with a former captor, to remind said former captor is an equal in the conversation. If Baal feels irritation at the snarkiness, then it puts him a bit off balance and reminds him that O'Neill has power and can affect him, and is NOT merely an ex-prisoner that somehow, through circumstance, can play act as an equal to a System Lord.

Granted, this is by no means the best way to act, but there >IS< a method to the madness here.

Bastet11191967
February 27th, 2005, 09:24 PM
I truly enjoyed this episode. I can't wait for part 2. I loved how Jack had fun with baiting Baal and made him wait until he finished his brunch (lol).

yasureubetcha
February 27th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Personally, I didn't have a problem with the way he acted with Baal. It was the rest of the time that seemed excessive to me.

Gatetrixer
February 28th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Personally, I didn't have a problem with the way he acted with Baal. It was the rest of the time that seemed excessive to me.


What rest of the time? Yes, when he greeted Jacob he was a bit snarky, but the rest of the time IMO he was serious, well I'll concede a line or too.

I did think this episode jumped around a bit too much, otherwise pretty good, though it introduced stuff that should have had foreshadowing, but didn't. How many places did it go too anyway.

GhostPoet
February 28th, 2005, 10:47 AM
I'm surprised this episode got lower viewership..it is one of the best SG-1 episodes in..well..ever.

Oma Desala
February 28th, 2005, 02:46 PM
I have no problem with the way Jack behaved toward Baal. It wasn't even remotely close to a surprise. Jack treated Anubis the same way when he did that hologram thingy. Nothing against Jacob but the Tok'ra isn't on good terms with us and the council isn't on good terms with Jacob. They've always withheld information from SG1 and put us through risks. So it doesn't surprise me that Jack isn't listening to his advice. We wanted the Goa'uld to be wiped out, and it isn't like they can help with the replicators anyhow. So props Jack!

Elwe Singollo
February 28th, 2005, 05:44 PM
I'm surprised this episode got lower viewership..it is one of the best SG-1 episodes in..well..ever.Where did you get this info from?

Also, i loved the episode, minus... well, nvm, i loved all of it. :)

OhForCryinOutLoud
February 28th, 2005, 11:14 PM
Have I mentioned that I hate those replicator bugs?!! They give me the creeps!
No more Yu? What will become of his 1st Prime? Maybe he'll join up with the resistance. Yay Bra'tac! Yay Jacob! Yay Thor!

The Swan: Anubis's makeover, next on Stargate SG-1!

yasureubetcha
February 28th, 2005, 11:47 PM
The Swan: Anubis's makeover, next on Stargate SG-1!

Yeah, I guess Goa'uld lose their power to heal their hosts when they ascend...or whatever Anubis did. Still not quite clear on that point...
He could be an endorsement for Proactiv!

"This is me before...I used to always wear this black shroud over my face because I was so ashamed of my terrible skin. It really used to hold me back. I used Proactiv for a week, and look at me now!" [Pan to shot of new host.] "Now I'm more confident; I can do all the things I was too shy to do before...like use a superweapon to wipe out all other life in the galaxy."

Oma Desala
March 1st, 2005, 12:12 PM
Do you think the human form replicators will learn how to ascend? Surely they didn't probe DJ's mind just to locate and destroy what they claim is the only weapon in the universe to destroy them. Maybe the Atlantis crew can help with the replicators? :)

Ugly Pig
March 1st, 2005, 01:28 PM
Do you think the human form replicators will learn how to ascend?
I don't think machines can ascend.

greytop
March 1st, 2005, 02:20 PM
I don't think machines can ascend.
Agreed.

yasureubetcha
March 1st, 2005, 03:17 PM
DANG though...how cool would it be if they could? But Daniel thought that if Jack was changed by the sarcophagus he wouldn't be able to ascend...I don't know what Anubis' deal was, but isn't ascension supposed to have something to do with whether you are good or evil? In that case, the replicators probably couldn't ascend anyway.

Oma Desala
March 1st, 2005, 03:32 PM
I don't think machines can ascend.

I am sure back in the day when the replicators were introduced you never imagined that they would take human form and have human emotions. Now they are in human form. They can even escape a freaking black hole. I do not think ascending is out of their reach. Human form replicators are probably the most advance thing in the universe to this point technology wise. Lets hope you are right. :)

greytop
March 1st, 2005, 03:32 PM
DANG though...how cool would it be if they could? But Daniel thought that if Jack was changed by the sarcophagus he wouldn't be able to ascend But wasn't Daniel changed in Need (but not completely evil), and he ascended.

SmartFox
March 1st, 2005, 05:46 PM
Loved this ep and hope that R2 and the rest of S8 are as good or better and can resurect S8. We got to see all the old charchters in this one; Thor, Brat'ac, Jacob, Anubis.

Seems like the end of the system lords has finally come. Yu and the other 2 were the last of them i believe. All of S8 has been leading to this, the end of the system lords and the freedom of the jaffa. Can't wait to see the conclusion on Friday.

I normally don't like it when shows or movies jump around alot but didn't mind in this ep because of the great duos that were present. Jack and Jacob, Sam and Thor, Teal'c and Bratac, Jack and Baul, and Daniel and Replicarter.

yasureubetcha
March 1st, 2005, 08:16 PM
Yeah, Daniel got addicted and everything, but Jack was facing a longer time. Plus if Jack couldn't ascend while under the influence of the sarcophagus, even if its effects weren't permanant, that still implies that if you won't be able to ascend based on your CURRENT condition, which for the Replicators is evil.

LMichelle
March 2nd, 2005, 11:46 AM
I hope part 2 is better. *crosses fingers*

keppiezbt
March 2nd, 2005, 12:27 PM
one of the best episodes and two is even better

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 4th, 2005, 02:27 PM
DANG though...how cool would it be if they could? But Daniel thought that if Jack was changed by the sarcophagus he wouldn't be able to ascend...I don't know what Anubis' deal was, but isn't ascension supposed to have something to do with whether you are good or evil? In that case, the replicators probably couldn't ascend anyway.

I think Daniel meant that the ascended ancients wouldn't let Jack ascend after the sarcophagus made him all cranky. It sounds like thus far that they weren't very happy with Anubis i.e. the kicked him out. And yeah, I don't think machine's can ascend.

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 4th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Ok, here's my 2cents: Frankly I was a little underwhelmed by this episode. There were moments I loved, but seemed to pop up amongst a fairly flat line for me. However, I realize the first part of a two-parter is often like that as it has the burden of setting everything up.

So, the bad stuff first:
-Terminator RepliCarter. A blantant rip off, and a bad one at that.
-The odds are not in our favor exchange. cheeeeeesy.
-I've pretty much given up on the Tok'ra at this point. They started as a very cool concept, but they've ended up just as pig-headed as the Goa'uld.
-Here's my thing with the Temple of Dekara. It seems a little too convenient. If it is soooo freakin' important, why have we not heard of it for eight years? I know they tried to explain it away, but it just seemed a bit stretched to me.
-Do we know how to work the time machine???? Exactly how did we figure something that huge out that fast??
-The replicators adapting so quickly to a weapon they were previously completely immune to. Again it seemed convenient.

The good stuff:
-The very first thought I had was kudos to Amanda Tapping, because there wasn't a doubt in my mind the second I first saw her that it was Replicarter. She has really done a fabulous job of creating two separate characters.
-Issac Hayes as a Jaffa leader. My sentiment when I first heard about this remains after watching: hee.
-Oh, I've missed Jacob. Which as much as I'm anticipating Threads, makes me sad at the spoilers I've read. The banter between him and Jack was fun.
-All the stuff with Jack and Baal. "That's what's left of your pride." "You'll be dead, and we'll be glad!" Nice. The dialogue was written great and RDA's delivery was perfect.
-"So um..." I so want to know what Walter was gonna ask Baal.

I can't wait til Part 2. Should be interesting.!

zats
March 13th, 2005, 08:59 AM
...
-"So um..." I so want to know what Walter was gonna ask Baal...
Boxers or briefs.

Really.

:p

Lord Zedd
April 5th, 2005, 01:05 PM
Hello I saw the episode just now and I liked it and I asked it myself now too. What was it that Walter was going to ask to Baal. I found O'Neill so cynical this time I really missed it. To Jacob so friendly and all hihi
Unshadualed Offworld activation.-->Whormhole established.Baal appears.O'Neill :ooh it is Baal Just like he was expectiong him :D loved it
and at the end excellent brunch hihi :D

SeaBee
April 28th, 2005, 02:44 PM
Yay! At last a part 1 of 2 that wasn't slow!
So many 2 part episodes tend to slowness, because they are building up a story that won't climax until the following week. This one was different. Well done to TPTB.

Stricken
May 25th, 2005, 04:56 AM
Great build up to Reckoning Part 2 and it was a show where we are at base working out where to go *coughs* lost city *coughs*

TrustNo1
November 4th, 2005, 08:29 AM
The scene at the end where Baal is waiting for Jack wasn't in the script. Everyone on set was waiting for RDA but he never came. Peter DeLuise jumps in and starts saying RDA's lines and Cliff cracks up laughing. Then RDA comes in and says that the studio was too hot so he was in another studio that had air conditioning. So they added in the bit with Baal waiting.

jckfan55
February 26th, 2006, 08:15 AM
Just saw this in the reruns again. I love what AT does with ReplicatorCarter.

Erik Pasternak
February 26th, 2006, 10:01 AM
Just saw this in the reruns again. I love what AT does with ReplicatorCarter.
I'm gonna have to agree with you there. It clearly shows her versatility as an actress.

captain jake
May 2nd, 2006, 07:01 PM
The jaffa's quick oppinions and actions will be there downafall even teal'c and bra'tac won't be able to save them.

Vyse
May 3rd, 2006, 05:32 AM
You know, this episode was the perfect opportnity to bring Jonas back for a bit. But oh well, for whatever reason TPTB despise him.

captain jake
May 3rd, 2006, 02:44 PM
Why do you say that??

Mattathias2.0
May 4th, 2006, 11:02 AM
Most of S8 was an opportunity to bring back Jonas (follow up of Fall Out, for example)... But they do not wish him back...

Mattathias

Commander Ivanova
May 4th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Indeed, me neither

captain jake
May 4th, 2006, 04:11 PM
I liked jonas but I like daniel better. I hear he is going to be in destiny though so that will be good.

PG15
May 7th, 2006, 12:09 AM
How is this episode a good one to bring him back with?

captain jake
May 7th, 2006, 12:01 PM
Well I suppose in the eyes of the die hard jonas fan's any episode would be a good episode to bring him back.

harsiesis child
May 28th, 2006, 11:29 AM
very good episode which begins very well! Ba'al... I definitely like him: a clever goa'uld able to see where is his interest and trying to make alliance,
I liked the end of the episode: smiling, he announces the come back of Anubis to Jack, embarassed... :D

captain jake
May 28th, 2006, 06:08 PM
A classic ba'al moment agreed.

Is anubis dead now??? *DUM DUM DUM*

Dumper
February 22nd, 2007, 11:46 AM
Am i the only one wondering how the hell Anubis is back again? We last saw him in Lockdown and inside the frozen body of the Russian soldier. Ok so he can still leave the body, but he can only move about quite slowly if what we saw in that episode is anything to go by, and he can't use his Ancient powers because the Ancients would find him. So any ideas how he is back again?

Pharaoh Atem
February 22nd, 2007, 07:01 PM
Am i the only one wondering how the hell Anubis is back again? We last saw him in Lockdown and inside the frozen body of the Russian soldier. Ok so he can still leave the body, but he can only move about quite slowly if what we saw in that episode is anything to go by, and he can't use his Ancient powers because the Ancients would find him. So any ideas how he is back again?

it was never explained :mckay: